WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.559 It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm going you easy Boston's 2 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:05.759 News Radio. 3 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.119 Thank you very much, Madison. As we get as we 4 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:13.359 begin another week of Nightside, my name is before measured 5 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:17.839 Dan Ray with us here back in the control room. 6 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:20.839 I'm in the remote studio, back in the control room. 7 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:26.519 And Rob Brooks. Rob gutted his way in tonight. A 8 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.960 little bit of a little carp trouble, but nothing stops 9 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:33.920 Rob Brooks. He just keeps on. He's like the energizer Bunny. 10 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:36.799 So Rob, thank you for pushing through and getting there. 11 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:38.719 In a little bit of a shout out to a 12 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:42.039 couple of guys who hung around a little extra Luke 13 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.039 and Dan to make sure that everything was covered up. 14 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:48.359 That's teamwork, teamwork right here on WBZ. Okay, we have 15 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:51.920 four very interesting guests coming up tonight. We are also 16 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:56.920 going to talk later about the death of that little 17 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.920 five year old back in late April in Hyde Park. 18 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.119 Little boy got off a bus and the bus allegedly 19 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:06.439 hit him and took his life. And there's been very 20 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:12.560 little information available period, and we need to We will 21 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:18.040 talk with a First Amendment lawyer on this situation and 22 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:23.200 why why the information has not been forthcoming, my guest 23 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:29.480 is will be Attorney Rob Perscie and Bertshee and get 24 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.480 that pronunciation correctly. And then later on tonight I'm going 25 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:36.120 to talk about a judge in trouble, Shelley Joseph, the 26 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:39.680 judge who seems to be again in big troubles. Her 27 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:43.599 hearing began today. They could eventually remove her from the 28 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:46.400 bench and if we can get around to it. Those 29 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:51.239 la riots looked pretty nasty in Los Angeles, but we 30 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:55.280 have a couple of We have some optimistic stories, including 31 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:59.400 the arrival of Red Sox Outfield of Room and Anthony 32 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:03.760 Great author coming up about a vanishing act, a guy 33 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.519 who was somehow able to fake his own death. We'll 34 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.400 talk with Jerry Jamison on that. We'll talk about the 35 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:13.360 value of an extra two to four cups of coffee 36 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.960 a day. But first off, Sheriff Patrick McDermott of Norfolk 37 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:24.199 County and the first Norfolk County Recovery Fest benefiting the 38 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:29.319 recovery community will be held Saturday, June fourteenth, This Saturday 39 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:33.599 from eleven to three, Sheriff McDermott, I know that you 40 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.840 and the folks at the Norfolk County Sheriff's Office are 41 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:41.479 really into an effort not to have people spend time 42 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.919 in jail, but to get them onto the road of recovery. 43 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:47.719 And this is the first recovery fest. 44 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:50.560 Tell us about it, well, thanks Dan for having me 45 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:52.479 on and give me an opportunity to share with your 46 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.280 audience some of the great work that we're doing in 47 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:57.360 the Sheriff's Office and particularly with our partnership with our 48 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:02.319 friends throughout the recovery community. The four pillars the Sheriff's 49 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:07.039 Office are prevention, intervention, education, and hope. And as you 50 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.680 mentioned before, we do everything in our part to try 51 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:13.120 to cut down on the amount of incarceration that goes on. 52 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.599 And certainly most of the folks that are coming through 53 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.759 the criminal justice system these days tragically have substance use 54 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:24.240 disorder issues, alcohol related issues, and mental health issues. And 55 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:29.080 so we have partnered up with over seventy vendors who 56 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:33.000 are in the recovery movement to put on this great day. 57 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:35.759 We're billing it as a day of music and hope 58 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:39.879 with a family friendly environment, and we're inviting the members 59 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.479 of the community, members not just the recovery community, but 60 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:44.879 the community at large, to come by and give some 61 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:48.479 support to this movement to make sure that people get 62 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:52.000 on the right track. And it really is a labor 63 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.919 of love and a calling for many of these recovery 64 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:59.800 movement nonprofits, and specifically we're partnering up with the Way 65 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:03.159 of Life Foundation at Weymouth. There are partners for this 66 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:07.319 particular event, and with all the other vendors there, we 67 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.319 really want to make it a day of hope for people. 68 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.840 We've got a great lineup of music, We've got food 69 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:15.599 for those that want to come here, and for those 70 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.759 that know about the brain Tree Public Safety Complex at 71 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:22.279 twenty fifteen Washington Street and Braintree, it is also the 72 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:25.720 home of our very popular ropes course and we're going 73 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.040 to be opening that up to the kids, maybe some 74 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.759 adults who experience the thrilling zip line that we have. 75 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:37.480 We'll also have a miniature golf opportunity and a competitive 76 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:41.560 cornhole tournament sponsored by the Massachusetts Young People in Recovery. 77 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.600 Wow. That's great, and I know that our good mutual 78 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:49.720 friend Steve Sweeney will be there sharing some stories and 79 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.560 some jokes and adding to the levity of what can 80 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:54.759 be a pretty serious day for a lot of people. 81 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:56.360 So it's a nice ballance. You got going. 82 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.879 It's great. And not many people know this about Steve's 83 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.680 any You know, most people see him as a movie star, 84 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.120 as a comedian. They see him at Giggle, they see 85 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:07.680 him at the comedy stuff. But Steve Sweeney is a 86 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:10.920 committed member of the recovery community and he gives back 87 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.839 so much more than he can possibly imagine. And he 88 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:17.319 works for me at the Norfolk Sheriff's Office. I know 89 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:19.680 he does some work in the Plymouth County Sheriff's Office 90 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.279 in recovery and so, but he does that. He brings 91 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:26.519 his comedy, he brings his his celebrity status to it. 92 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.319 And we also have though not only was Steve Sweeney there, 93 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.480 but there RMC of the day. Now, you and I 94 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.319 Dan probably don't know this gentleman, but a gentleman by 95 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.639 the name of Mathematics, and he's going to be in 96 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:40.040 charge of keeping the audience engaged from the stage throughout 97 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:42.879 the day. In Mathematics is quite a popular figure with 98 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:43.839 the younger crew. 99 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.680 Oh yeah, I know who Mathematics. I have all of 100 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:51.319 his records, you do. I got a whole bunch of 101 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.560 other people, I see. You have the Christian samp cham 102 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:02.560 Champagne and the condresholes the blow justin clancy. So is 103 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.079 this is as I understand it, This is open to 104 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:05.639 the public. 105 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:11.439 Number one, It's first and foremost, it's free. That is, 106 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.519 it is open to the public with plenty of entertainment. 107 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.160 We are going to be feeding everybody. We'll have our 108 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:20.959 once again, we have our tactical picnic unit as we 109 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.240 call them, the Sheriff's Office, ready to serve up some 110 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.920 burgers and dogs for the population. And these are all 111 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.120 you know, none of this is it's free to the public. 112 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:30.920 But what we did is we partner it up with 113 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.560 some nonprofits so to offset the cost of this. So 114 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.639 this is being funded by tax payer money. This is 115 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.680 this is something that we're running through our nonprofit to 116 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:43.040 make sure that that folks have access to these recovery programs. 117 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.879 That's great. So this is Saturday, June fourteenth, starts at 118 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.800 eleven in the morning, that's perfect timing. Lunch will be served, 119 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:55.439 it goes to the exactly afternoon. And you mentioned this 120 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.800 zip line, which which should be a lot of fun. 121 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:01.040 And you got this corn old tournament. Lots of stuff 122 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.920 going on here and this is all is it indoors 123 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.399 or partially in and partially out because in case it's 124 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:10.680 a Saturday in New England, which means it may very 125 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:14.000 well in all probability will rain this rain or shine 126 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:15.879 tell us about it. 127 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:18.600 It hasn't been sunny on a Saturday since March and 128 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.319 unfortunately what it was. 129 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.439 I think I believe it hasn't been sunny in a 130 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:25.319 Saturday since about nineteen fifty seven. I believe ted we 131 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:27.240 might be correcting for the red sox. 132 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.160 You might be correct far back as. 133 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.079 I remember, Sheriff, which is about nineteen fifty seven. 134 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.759 We are forecasting though, that we're going to despite what 135 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:42.000 the weather forecasters are saying. We believe that, you know, 136 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.199 New England weather is very unpredictable, and even though on 137 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.399 the paper today it's saying that there's a chance of 138 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.959 showers on Saturday, this is a rain or shine event. 139 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:52.959 We do have a contingency plan that we do have 140 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.360 a big pavilion down there, that we have indoor tent 141 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:58.279 set up and things of that nature, so we'll be 142 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.959 able to run this rain or shine. But we just 143 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:02.720 you know, at the end of the day, it's the 144 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:04.800 message of hope that we want to get out there 145 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.399 and we don't need sunshine to bring hope to this 146 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.600 recovery community and this recovery festival. It's the people that 147 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.639 are there. It's the joy that's being spread and the 148 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:18.399 success stories that we're going to have with people being 149 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.319 able to overcome addiction issues, alcohol issues, and drug addiction. 150 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.399 Yeah, my understanding is that there will be there'll be 151 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.519 plenty of entertainment in the air that we can guarantee 152 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.160 that in terms of our own weather forecast with a 153 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:34.639 chance of laughs with Steve Sweeney, there's always a chance 154 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:38.559 of laughs and a lot of entertainment, that's for sure. Sheriff, 155 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:40.679 a great job you want of those committed sheriffs here 156 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:44.840 in Massachusetts, which I think really is concerned about the 157 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.639 inmates and as much as you are about public safety. 158 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:50.279 And my hat's off to you. Thank you so much 159 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:51.279 for joining us tonight. 160 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:53.799 Thank you so much. Dan appreciate it. And your audience 161 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:54.600 is fantastic. 162 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.559 Thanks so much. We'll talk soon when we get back. 163 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:01.279 We have an author with a great book that my producer, 164 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:06.559 Marita McKinnon found. I am fascinated and I think you'll 165 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.360 be by our next guest. His name is Jerry Jamison, 166 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.559 and he's going to talk about a vanishing act essentially, 167 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:15.480 how I think a guy blew up a plane over 168 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:19.240 the Gulf of Mexico, caused a lot of deaths and 169 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:21.960 basically tried to disappear from the world. Way do you 170 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:23.600 hear this one? Coming up? A little bit later on, 171 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:28.759 we'll talk about the newly brought up. He's been brought 172 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:30.679 up to the big Club. Roman Anthony going to talk 173 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.080 with Dan Watkins, who's a news guy but also a 174 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.159 big sports guy, and we're going to talk about cups 175 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:36.919 of coffee. My name is Dan Ray. Again. If you 176 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.840 haven't gotten the iHeart New and Improved iHeart app, please 177 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:47.200 take advantage of it, because if you do, we are 178 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:51.960 going to have a program coming up shortly available to 179 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.879 you where if you had that app, you pull it down, 180 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:58.320 just put it on all your different devices. There's going 181 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:00.960 to be a microphone button on there where you can 182 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:06.240 send us either the day of the night before during 183 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:11.120 the thirty second voicemail message. It's a little different. It's 184 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.679 something a little different for those of you who perhaps 185 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:19.440 are a little telephonically shy. We will explain that in 186 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:22.159 the next few days ahead. But all the more reason 187 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.879 to get the new and improved iHeart App. Go to 188 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.919 your app store and get it on your phone. You'll 189 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.240 also be able to be with us at literally any 190 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.519 around the world. Twenty four to seven, three sixty five 191 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:37.399 A fingertip away back on Nightside right after this. 192 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:44.080 It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio. 193 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:50.080 Welcome back everyone. We interview a lot of authors during 194 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.799 this hour, but there's not been an author lately that 195 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:57.440 I have looked forward to interviewing more than Jerry Jamison. 196 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.559 Jerry Jamison, Welcome to Nightside. This is a fascinating book 197 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.080 that you have written. I must be honest. I haven't 198 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.120 read it, but I can't wait to read it. It's 199 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:10.759 entitled Vanishing Act, A crashed Airliner, fake death and back 200 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:16.039 room Abortions. Real life story of con artist Robert Spears. Uh, 201 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:21.360 this guy faked his own death successfully. Yeah, it was. 202 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:26.000 It was really only the last chapter of an outrageous 203 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:29.080 life that led up to that. I mean, it's a 204 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.840 it's a story that that stretches the imagination, but it's 205 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:33.360 all true. 206 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:44.080 It's unbelievably, unbelievablely true. Meaning this guy, how did he 207 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:48.120 end up? I assume this occurred in the late fifties, 208 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.879 when he had brought an airliner down, he convinced a 209 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.480 friend of his to fly on the plane, and he 210 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:02.279 kept the friends the friend's identification. What a what a 211 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:03.919 bad man this guy was. 212 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:07.639 The word bad does not describe it. 213 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.200 But this is family radio. 214 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.639 Yeah, it's true. Even more profound than that is the 215 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:23.919 fact that his friend was his very very best friend, 216 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.480 his close friend, best man in each other's wedding vacation 217 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:35.240 together for decades. Families were very very close. These were 218 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:38.600 two men that were as close as any two brothers 219 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:47.519 could possibly be. And yet he parlayed that trust and 220 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:52.720 to asking his close friend brother to just carry a 221 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:56.440 package on board a plane and take his plane ticket, 222 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:58.360 which in the nineteen fifties you could do. You could 223 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:02.200 hand over a plane ticket and said take my ticket, 224 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.080 and all I want you to do is take this 225 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:05.720 package on the plane. 226 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:10.120 But he also somehow had the guy's wallet in his identification. 227 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:12.200 When the guy got out of his car, what did 228 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:13.080 he pick his pocket? 229 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:21.240 No, it was more calculated than that. He had flown 230 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:25.360 from Dallas to Tampa to meet with his buddy Al 231 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:31.000 Taylor to discuss potential business business opportunity that they were 232 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.519 going to be involved in together as partners. Al was 233 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.320 very excited about this opportunity and they met at the 234 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:42.399 Tampa International Airport just a couple of days before Thanksgiving 235 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:47.200 in nineteen fifty nine, and they were talking about this 236 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:51.519 business opportunity. The waitresses at the coffee shop remember him well. 237 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:54.519 They were laughing, they were having a great time. Other 238 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.360 diners remember these two guys as being so close and 239 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:03.679 so happy and right before so in this situation, Al 240 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:08.159 Taylor was going to drive his brand new car back 241 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:12.759 to Dallas and Doctor Spears was going to fly there. 242 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:16.399 They would meet together for the meetings. At the last minute. 243 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:21.440 According to records, Al Taylor just happened to mention that 244 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:23.759 he had a really stiff neck because he'd been in 245 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:28.639 a car accident a few weeks earlier. And Doctor Spears 246 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:35.519 maintains that he said, you know what, I'm up for 247 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.799 a road trip. You give me your wallet, you give 248 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:39.960 me your registration, you give me your car keys and 249 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:43.480 your license. I'll drive over there. I'll drive through the night. 250 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:48.279 You take my plane ticket. It's only about a forty 251 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.639 minute plane flight and you'll be there in no time. 252 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:53.039 All I need you to do is deliver this package 253 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:57.320 to my wife, So don't lose the package. 254 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.000 Which, of course I assume held the bond that blew up. 255 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:04.240 It was the time bomb. It was timed, he said it, 256 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:07.600 gave it to him, and twenty two minutes later the 257 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:09.759 plane was at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, 258 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:12.679 never to be recovered because it actually went down so deep. 259 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.600 So this guy's was brilliant. So how did they Well, 260 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.639 they finally caught him. He materialized. And I don't want 261 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:23.000 to give away the ending. Okay, that's not the point. 262 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.759 The point is to get people to read the book, 263 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:26.559 and I want to read the book as well. But 264 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.480 when they finally did catch him, what did they do 265 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:32.840 with him? Meaning, in other words, did he spend the 266 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:35.360 rest of his life in prison? I hope. 267 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:42.679 Well, no justice was not served. This is an interesting thing. 268 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:47.200 Although he was named as the top ten most wanted 269 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.039 by the FBI. In fact, Jay Abdar Hoober at the 270 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.440 time called a specific press conference just basically to say, 271 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:57.120 we are after this guy. I mean, he took down 272 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.159 Everyone in that plane died, you know, crew and passengers, 273 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:09.200 and he although everybody was looking for him, when they 274 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:13.279 eventually found him, they could not pen this on him. 275 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:17.039 They just didn't feel like they had enough evidence, which incidentally, 276 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:19.399 I was able through the Freedom of Information Act to 277 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.799 get all the FBI files, just thousands of pages of interviews, 278 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:26.240 so I really got to the very source of it. 279 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:28.399 And they just felt like they couldn't charge him. So 280 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.200 what they did is they charged him. And this will 281 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.799 be very similar to the al Capone tax evasion story. 282 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:39.120 They charged him for transporting a stolen vehicle across state 283 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:42.720 lines for that car that he drove. Now that sent 284 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.399 him to Terminal Island in Long Beach for five years. 285 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:55.799 And in a very very cinematic scene when he walks 286 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:59.000 out of prison, the classic, you know, the big gates 287 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:01.080 open up and he walked, sat in his cheap suit. 288 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:04.160 He took two steps outside and he was arrested by 289 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:09.039 the LAPD and sentenced to ten years in prison for abortion. 290 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.440 Wow. And I assume and hope that he has moved 291 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.880 on to his just rewards, whether you believe it in 292 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:17.839 afterlife or not. 293 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:22.119 Well, he is a long run. 294 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:24.039 Yes, that's what I though. 295 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:30.279 He was released on humanitarian grounds because he had cancer, 296 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:32.759 and he died in his bed of a heart attack 297 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:34.000 one year later. 298 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.640 Well, the thing that's horrible about that is that he 299 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:41.599 was given to humanitarian considerations, but he didn't give humanitarian 300 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:43.640 considerations of the people on that area. 301 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.160 And yeah, the irony of it all is and through 302 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:50.480 the whole book Vanishing Act, it's written like a novel. 303 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:54.279 So your listeners understand it's written like a novel. It's 304 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.519 a page turner. I mean you yourself when you go 305 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.319 to read it, you'll be reading is I mean, you'll 306 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.400 turn those pages as quickly as you can because one 307 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.880 thing leads to another so quickly, and and it's just 308 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.400 a fast and hinks story because well, we are fascinating with. 309 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.640 These sort of stories, Jerry, I mean when you think 310 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:15.880 about the guy that you know that that hijacked the 311 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.920 plane and a dB cooper who parachuted out of the 312 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:20.799 back of the plane. They never found him, they find 313 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:23.319 some of the money. That's the next story you should 314 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:25.359 be working on, because you did a great job on this. 315 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.720 And I think that a lot of people are going 316 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:33.000 to be interested in reading this book, uh and just 317 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:39.440 getting the backstory. How does someone like this become that 318 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:42.799 that inhuman, that inhuman that he not only you know, 319 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.880 send his friend to his death, but whoever, many people 320 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.400 are on that plane. And I'm sure there were people 321 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.920 going home for Thanksgiving to see family members that probably 322 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:56.079 were some kids, some older folks, some grandparents maybe, And 323 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.799 but oh god, what a what an evil evil SOB, 324 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:01.519 you know. 325 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:04.400 You're exactly right, if you know, anytime there's a plane crash, 326 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:06.960 even today, right the next day of the newspaper, are 327 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:12.160 these heartbreaking, heartrending stories of you know, the personal lives 328 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:14.799 that were involved in the people that were going back. 329 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:17.839 You know, somebody was going to a wedding, people are 330 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.839 seeing grandchildren. I mean, all of these horrible stories enlisted 331 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:26.039 right among them in the newspapers is you know, acclaimed 332 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.880 obg y n doctor Robert Spears is among those. 333 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:31.279 That are lost. 334 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:35.920 Incidentally, he never told his wife and children about this, 335 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.359 and they were in agony and torment that their you know, 336 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.200 husband and father was killed in this plane crash. 337 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:48.279 Yeah, well he was obviously trying to go create. Wow. Look, Jerry, 338 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.000 I've really enjoyed the interview Jerry Jamison. The book is 339 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:55.839 Vanishing Act a crashed airliner, faked death and backroom abortions. 340 00:19:55.880 --> 00:20:00.599 Read the life story of con artist Robert Spears. The 341 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:05.000 subject of his book is the personification of evil, Jerry, 342 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:08.599 I assume it's available on Amazon and bookstores. Do you 343 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:11.519 want to send anybody, any of my listeners to a 344 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.799 specific website. Some of our authors will have a website 345 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:17.880 where they'll inscribe books that they will send out to 346 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.519 people who purchase them. 347 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:24.279 Yeah, anybody can contact me through my website Jerry Jamison 348 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:27.599 dot com, J A. M. I. S. O. N. Jerry 349 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:31.400 Jamison dot com. But the book itself is available any 350 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:33.200 place you want to get a book. 351 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:36.799 Well, that's great, best of luck with this. It's a 352 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.319 great story. Maybe a few months from now we'll have 353 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:43.000 you back and we can have you tell the whole story. 354 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.400 But I didn't want the whole story to be told tonight. 355 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:47.960 I've interviewed enough authors to know you kind of. 356 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:50.880 The story is huge and fascinating, and I know your 357 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:54.200 listeners would love to hear. He is a con artist 358 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:58.799 like you, could not conceive the things that he did 359 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:01.599 in his lifetime of people that lined up to hand 360 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:02.279 him money. 361 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:06.000 I hope wherever he is now, he's being that justice 362 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:09.200 has finally found him. If you get my drift. Thanks Jerry, 363 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:10.119 appreciate your. 364 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.960 Time absolutely, Thank you so much. 365 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:15.240 All Right, Well, the Red Sox are down three to 366 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:20.519 one to Tampa Bay and Roman Anthony has made his debut. 367 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.880 We're going to be talking with WBZ news anchor, also 368 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:26.519 sports reporter, guy who probably loves baseball as much as 369 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:31.119 I do, Dan Watkins, about the debut the much anticipated 370 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:35.720 debut of Red Sox right fielder tonight, Roman Anthony, coming 371 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:38.440 back right after the news at the bottom of the hour. 372 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:44.680 Night side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio. 373 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:49.200 Well, we normally don't like the publicize what's going on 374 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:54.319 on other venues at this point, but there's a an 375 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:57.000 event going on at Fenway Park tonight that draws a 376 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:00.799 little bit more notice than a Monday night game against 377 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:05.039 the Tampa Bay Rays would ordinarily with us IS news anchor, 378 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:10.440 also sports reporter and sports fanatic good friend Dan Watkins, Dan, 379 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:14.319 what took them so long to call up Roman Anthony 380 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.680 from the miners. I mean, it's this team has been 381 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.799 struggling and they needed a jump start. I'm not sure 382 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.759 if he's going to provide that jump start, but boy, 383 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:31.079 he arrives amongst such great anticipation. He's being described as 384 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.559 the number one prospect in all the minor leagues. 385 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.200 Yeah, I mean, that is the million dollar question, right 386 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.839 what has taken them so long. There's several reports out 387 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:42.720 there Dan that you know, they've been really trying to 388 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.079 make sure that they have his service time under control 389 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.039 and without getting way you know, too much into the details, 390 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.480 and then the weeds here on this. Basically, they want 391 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:52.039 to make sure that he doesn't have a full year 392 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.839 of service time right now this year in twenty twenty five, 393 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:57.200 so they can get an extra year before he hits 394 00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:59.519 free agency when he's like twenty seven years old and 395 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:01.640 he's in the prime of his career. So it's really hard. 396 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:04.440 My understanding is that that service time it used to be, 397 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.599 you know, he had to be up for the entire season, 398 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:09.759 so they could keep a guy down a few of 399 00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:13.279 the dates in April. Nowadays they based it upon at 400 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:16.559 bats abs, So if you have an adequate number of 401 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:19.519