1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,320 your support. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: Local Nightmare is over. 11 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: Our phone lines are repaired, which is good because we 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,119 could talk with Andrew Dunn. Andrew Dunn is a contributing 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,840 columnist over at the Charlotte Observer. He is also the 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,759 purveyor of long Leaf Politics longleafpol dot com. Andrew, how 15 00:00:46,799 --> 00:00:47,679 are you today, sir? 16 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 3: I'm doing well. 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: Present. 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,439 Speaker 3: Here is a good word. I like that one. I 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,600 might have to use that more. 20 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:56,359 Speaker 1: I feel like it has fallen out of fashion for 21 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:59,119 some reason. I don't know why, just as words tend 22 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:00,840 to do, and I would like to bring it back. 23 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,759 So uh yeah, if you can adopt it, that would 24 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:06,319 be fantastic. Oh. Also, while I'm while I have you 25 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:11,200 and we're talking about adopting words, votainer. Have I already 26 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,120 made my elevator pitch to you about the word votainer. 27 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 3: I don't know if you have. 28 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:23,719 Speaker 1: So would you agree that the term top vote getter 29 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:31,400 is awkward and clunky and just uh, just like audio pollution. 30 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:35,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I could agree with that and try to use 31 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:38,840 plurality in a sentence as just a recipe for disaster. 32 00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: Right. 33 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: So I developed this word when I was up in Asheville, 34 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:46,599 And by develop I mean I took the idea from 35 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,359 a caller and they suggested votainer. So you would be 36 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:55,519 the top votainer, as in you attained the most votes 37 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:57,760 the votainer. You could also do it in an a 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,560 large setting where you could say the top threeiners. See, 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,120 so it's versatile. So I've been trying to wage this campaign. 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,400 It's been about a decade. It hasn't really caught on, 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,639 but any help would be appreciated. 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: So I'll see what I can do. I think if 43 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,039 you just start using it and not explaining. 44 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,159 Speaker 2: It, that's right. 45 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I should do that, all right, So let's talk 46 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,599 a little bit about We could start with the with 47 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,719 the maps the North Carolina legislature back in session, they 48 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,560 came back in yesterday they started the debate on the 49 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:35,639 redraw of the congressional districts. Well basically just two really so, 50 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,560 and I think they passed it out of the Senate 51 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,639 this morning, and I think the House is now taking 52 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,960 it up. This thing's on a fast track, and I 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,240 was kind of surprised. I saw your peace at long 54 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:50,319 Leaf Politics where you said that it's it's not a 55 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:56,439 bad map, and you said Democrats might secretly prefer this 56 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,120 new map, So explain yourself. 57 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this thing's on a super fast track. 58 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:06,719 And it's worth pointing out that once the General Assembly 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,080 passes it, which I think will happen today, it immediately 60 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,759 goes into effect. There's no the governor has no ability 61 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,639 to sign or veto this. You know, there'll be legal challenges, 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,840 of course, but probably by the end of today these 63 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:23,240 maps will be official. You know, the reason why I 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,599 said Democrats might secretly prefer this is it takes you know, 65 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:30,719 we're talking about two districts. District one, which is northeastern 66 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,080 North Carolina that's Don Davis's district, and District three, which 67 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,319 is kind of central coastal North Carolina where Greg Murphy, 68 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,000 doctor Murphy represents you know, Murphy's district was one hundred 69 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,840 percent safe. I mean that was a seventy thirty district, 70 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:50,000 and Don Davis's district was more of a toss up. 71 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,639 I would probably say it's like a deep or an 72 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,879 R plus two R plus one where Republicans did have 73 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,919 a little bit of an advantage, but obviously a Democrat 74 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:02,240 Don Davis was able to win it several times in 75 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,439 a row. Now basically you've got two districts that are 76 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:10,840 let's call it R plus five R plus six, where 77 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:15,960 you know, before Democrats had absolutely no chance in District three, 78 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,199 now they've got a chance. I mean, if everything breaks right, 79 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,879 good candidate, national environment, blue wave type election, you could 80 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,199 conceivably have both of those districts go blue. 81 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,199 Speaker 1: Right, And that's you mentioned the candidates. I always point 82 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,399 this out to people. Candidates matter. If you have, you know, 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,439 bad candidates, it doesn't like sometimes it doesn't matter how 84 00:04:37,519 --> 00:04:40,839 gerrymandered a district is or how it's drawn, you could 85 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,680 end up losing that race. And also if the yeah, 86 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,160 if the environment is such that there's some blue wave 87 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:53,079 crashing ashore, these races become winnable. And it's it's an 88 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,680 argument or a point I should say that the Democrats 89 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,000 never and the media but I repeat myself, but they never. 90 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,879 It's like they never take into account these wave elections 91 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:06,240 where safe seats are what we thought were safe seats 92 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,680 get flipped and over time, you know, the demographics of 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,079 these districts change. That's why they redraw them every ten years. 94 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:18,399 So there's there are opportunities for Democrats to win, and 95 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:21,439 it's like they they don't want to have to recalibrate 96 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,560 any of their messaging in order to become more electable. 97 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: It seems, yeah, I think that's exactly right. And I 98 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,360 think a lot of the you know a lot of 99 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:35,879 the people who are saying that that this is wrong 100 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,839 are mostly focused on the process, and you know, to 101 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:42,079 their to their credit, there is some point to that. 102 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,800 I mean, this is kind of unprecedented for North Carolina 103 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:49,519 to go in and redraw congressional lines, you know, basically 104 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:51,720 just on a whim, rather than as the result of 105 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:53,560 a court case. And you know, I wrote a column 106 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:56,639 last week, we talked about it. I wasn't convinced that 107 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,519 this was the best thing to do, but after seeing 108 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,360 the map, you know this, you know, this really isn't 109 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,120 that bad of a map. It's in some ways you 110 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,639 could argue with a better map than what we had before. 111 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,240 I'm less concerned about the long term prospects of it. 112 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: I saw you mixing it up with a Twitter account 113 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:20,319 that has blocked me, Carolina Forward. Uh, who they're They're 114 00:06:20,399 --> 00:06:23,439 they're out there saying that this is like a racial gerrymander. 115 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,399 They're they're like, oh, they can't win with the with 116 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:30,079 with fair maps and such. And I thought you were 117 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,399 being very helpful in like citing one of the previous 118 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,279 maps or the last time Democrats drew the congressional districts 119 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,079 and their maps were really weird looking. Uh, and the 120 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,040 subject of a lot of court cases and such. 121 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: So, uh, is this is this. 122 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: A new tact for you? Are you gonna be mixing 123 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:50,600 it up on on Twitter? 124 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:54,759 Speaker 3: You know, when I have time, I've got a lot 125 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,480 going on, but I do try to educate the public, 126 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,519 uh when when they need it. 127 00:06:59,720 --> 00:06:59,879 Speaker 1: You know. 128 00:06:59,879 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: The problem I have with arguments like that from Carolina 129 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:07,079 Ford is I find them intellectually dishonest. Yes, you know, 130 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,240 the maps that they cite as good maps look absolutely hideous, 131 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,480 but it engineers an outcome that they prefer that gives 132 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:19,360 Democrats the best chance of victory. And really that argument 133 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,480 is not any different from what Republicans might say to 134 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,000 defend that their maps. I mean, it's all about engineering outcomes. 135 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,800 You just disagree with the outcome, you know. I would 136 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,759 have more respect for people who disagree with the maps 137 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:37,000 saying that you know, these these districts don't represent actual communities, 138 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,079 that they're pulling in people from all sorts of different areas. 139 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,519 But I haven't heard that a single time. 140 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,279 Speaker 2: No. 141 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,199 Speaker 1: No, In fact, they're making the argument that it's that 142 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:50,519 it's racist, which the Republicans have because of all of 143 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:54,079 the lawsuits they've gotten. Now you know court direction from 144 00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:57,240 the Supreme Court on this stuff that I don't use race, 145 00:07:57,959 --> 00:08:00,399 but you have to use a little bit of race something, 146 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:02,519 and so like this is the standards are all over 147 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,959 the place. But the point here is that they're like, look, 148 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:09,120 we just used the political data registration and voting patterns 149 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:09,600 and stuff. 150 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:10,839 Speaker 2: We didn't look at race. 151 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: And the problem that the Democrats have is that ninety 152 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,279 plus percent of African Americans vote Democrats. So if you're 153 00:08:17,399 --> 00:08:21,839 using political data, it's going to look like you're using 154 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,759 racial data. And that's precisely the argument sam Alito made 155 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:27,800 in one of the Routo cases at the Supreme Court. 156 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,240 So they keep making these arguments, and to your point, 157 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,799 it's just not good faith. It's not an intellectually honest argument. 158 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:39,080 I don't think, all right, let's say, all right, let's 159 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,759 get to the crime issue here before I let you go, 160 00:08:40,759 --> 00:08:43,000 because you've got a peace Also at long leave politics, 161 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,559 you're calling for some sort of what General Assembly hearings 162 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,200 on crime and this what I call the catch and 163 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,960 release court system here in Charlotte. But I'm you know, 164 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,879 this is not just in Michlimberg County. 165 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: This is all across the. 166 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:03,799 Speaker 3: State, right, exactly right. And we've talked about this issue 167 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,399 quite a bit in previous weeks. There's the debate over 168 00:09:06,519 --> 00:09:09,399 whether you know crime is going up or going down, 169 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:12,840 or you know, whether it matters if the CMPD data 170 00:09:12,879 --> 00:09:16,200 shows that crime is going down when you know homicides 171 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,279 in Uptown are up two hundred percent. But in this piece, 172 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,759 I really drilled down on a new issue that's kind 173 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:25,399 of come to light for me, and that's that there's 174 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,679 all of these examples coming out of people who have 175 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:31,919 been arrested time and time and time again. You know, 176 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,360 there was a fifteen year old who's CMPD set has 177 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:39,000 been arrested one hundred and eleven times in two years, 178 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,120 which is just insane to me. I don't even know 179 00:09:42,159 --> 00:09:45,120 how that happens. But there were some other cases. There 180 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:48,480 was a lady who got arrested after threatening people at 181 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,879 the Family Dollar, including pointing her gun at police officers, 182 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:55,960 and she was out on fifteen hundred dollars bond almost immediately. 183 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,960 I mean, that is just unreal to me. And the 184 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,960 reason why I'm calling for General Assembly hearings on this 185 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:06,000 is because I feel like the problems are so widespread 186 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,080 that we need to hit everybody in a room, you know, 187 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,799 get the DA to come testify, get magistrates to come testify, 188 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:16,879 get judges to come testify, and let's get everything out 189 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:18,639 in the open. Let's figure out how do we put 190 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,440 a stop to this, because you know, Arena's law was 191 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,240 a great step forward, but it's clearly not doing enough 192 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:27,679 and we need to really figure out how we can 193 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,159 solve this. 194 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: So yesterday on the show, I tracked or trace this 195 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:37,200 to the MacArthur Foundation. They've spent more than three almost 196 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,240 three and a half million dollars in Mecklenberg County as 197 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:42,559 part of their Safety and Justice Challenge. They've given grants 198 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,639 going back to before the summer of fiery but mostly 199 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:53,240 peaceful rioting in twenty twenty, and they do implicit bias training. 200 00:10:53,759 --> 00:10:57,919 They and their whole goal is to reduce incarceration, and 201 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:00,879 they're giving grants out and then they're doing trainings, and 202 00:11:00,919 --> 00:11:03,000 they've done it in Mecklenburg, they've done it all across 203 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,639 the state of North Carolina, so there's a good place 204 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:08,879 to start. I did see Trisha Cotham on Twitter said 205 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:11,720 that's she says, we're on it, so like we'll see 206 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:14,600 what comes of that. But then there's also I saw 207 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:19,039 a guy responding about what was it, the the Justice 208 00:11:19,039 --> 00:11:22,919 Reinvestment Act from twenty eleven when BEV Produce signed this 209 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,519 thing into office or into law, and it was designed 210 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:28,720 to reduce jail populations as well and to make some 211 00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:33,120 of these misdemeanor counts, you know, cashless bail essentially. 212 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:34,519 Speaker 2: So this, like these. 213 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: Quote reforms have been going on for a long time 214 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:40,480 and I don't like to say it, but like I'm 215 00:11:40,519 --> 00:11:44,240 thinking these judges and magistrates have too much discretion, just 216 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:44,799 too much. 217 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely and good find on teasing all that out. 218 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,519 I mean, in my mind, the best way to cut 219 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,679 down on jail populations is for folks to commit fewer crimes. 220 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,799 Speaker 1: Get out of town. That's nuts, all right, Andrew down. 221 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:03,600 You can read his stuff over at longleafpol dot com 222 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,200 Longleaf Politics. He is also a contributing columnist at The 223 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:08,279 Charlotte Observer, but we never hold that against him. 224 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: Andrew, Thanks for your time, buddy, good to talk with you. 225 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, Take care. 226 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: He is one of my votainers if you were to 227 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,639 ever run. 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Alrighty, So this is from WRAL on the 249 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,399 redistricting vote. North Carolina Republicans voting today to finalize a 250 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,840 new congressional map that aims to protect the GOP's slim 251 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,000 majority in the US House of Representatives, a move expected 252 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:44,120 to happen amid a backdrop of protests led by Democrats 253 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:49,960 and Dante jerrymandering advocates. They always get the nicest descriptions, 254 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,120 you know, people on the left always get the nicest, 255 00:13:55,279 --> 00:14:00,000 most charitable descriptors. It's like, you know, when you say, 256 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,360 see somebody and they're getting interviewed on the you know, 257 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:05,960 the evening news, and it says something like, you know, 258 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:10,919 pete callaner and then underneath my name it's like resident, 259 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:16,840 you know, or or neighbor or something like that, and uh, 260 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,600 you know, this is anti jerry mandering advocates. Is that 261 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,559 really who was there? I mean, yes, Democrats were there, 262 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,559 But are they actually just anti jerry mandering advocates or 263 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:36,080 are they anti Republican jerry mandering advocates. That seems like 264 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,960 it's a little bit more honest, right, because the people 265 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:44,440 showing up now to complain about the Republican maps did 266 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,480 not care and do not care. They don't go to 267 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:51,559 any other state and complain about the Democrat jerry manders, 268 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:56,000 which are plentiful they abound. Right. We've talked about the 269 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,600 Maryland being one New York state getting smacked around by 270 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,200 their own Democrat Supreme Court because they jerrymandered so badly 271 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:10,879 in violation of their own state constitution. They got smacked down. Illinois, California, 272 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:15,200 the hect the entire northeast, all of those New England 273 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:20,120 states up there. There are zero Republicans in Congress from 274 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:25,120 any of those states, any of them. Yet Republicans make 275 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,840 up forty percent of the voting population up there. See, 276 00:15:27,879 --> 00:15:31,960 so you're not an anti gerrymandering advocate. You're an anti 277 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:38,679 republican jerrymandering advocate. And when you ask Democrats, well, you know, 278 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,240 why don't you go ahead and lead the way, show 279 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,840 us the way to do this correctly. That makes it 280 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,440 quote fair, Show us how to draw the fair maps 281 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,159 in states that you control. And what do they say, Well, 282 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:55,320 that would be unilateral disarmament. Okay, then so here we are. 283 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,440 See I'm a realist. 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I don't take the I don't take the 313 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,880 ad hominem route on, you know, making fun of people's appearances, 314 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,799 like when people were calling John Kerry horse face. I 315 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:47,240 never did that. I mean, I'm aware of well I'm not, 316 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:49,640 and I didn't say that in order to call in that. 317 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,200 I'm just saying, like people, that's a you know, people 318 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,279 would make fun of the way people look, and I don't. 319 00:17:55,400 --> 00:18:02,960 I don't do that. This guy from Atlanta, Benjamin Michael Campbell, 320 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,480 he apparently is short, and I'm not going to make 321 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,599 fun of him for being short, okay, because again, he 322 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:13,119 had no. 323 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: He had no influence on that. 324 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: He got the short geness, and who among us right 325 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:26,599 hasn't erroneously purchased a pair of short genes, particularly about 326 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,000 five years ago when that was all that was on 327 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:31,319 the racks. So it's not his fault, Okay, I get it. 328 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: Now. 329 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,759 Speaker 1: He is an accountant, and I will make fun of 330 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:39,440 him for that. That's I'm just kidding. I'm not going 331 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:41,880 to make fun of him for that either, when there's 332 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,160 so much more I could make fun of him for, 333 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:52,039 for example, his actions. So this is from WLOS Television, 334 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:58,400 which is the ABC affiliate out in Asheville, and a 335 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,519 couple of days ago they got this guy, Benjamin Michael 336 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:06,680 Campbell from Atlanta, all five foot six of them. They 337 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,240 got him, which isn't even really that short. It's okay. Anyway, 338 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:17,200 they got him extradited back to North Carolina based on 339 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:25,519 a charge from September. So what happened. He is accused 340 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,119 of tearing down a pro Trump banner at a rafting 341 00:19:31,279 --> 00:19:34,480 business along the side of the road, like they had 342 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:39,000 like they had security camera footage also, so it's all 343 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:42,160 on tape, okay, So there isn't any doubt that's to 344 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:47,839 what occurred, because he's driving down the road he was on. Yeah, 345 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:51,240 he was in Nantahalo Gorge about seventy five miles west 346 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:55,160 of Ashville, September sixth, driving down the road and he's 347 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:57,640 he's going down and he passes this. 348 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: It's called the paddle In Rafting Company. 349 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,799 Speaker 1: And as is the case a lot of these paddle companies, 350 00:20:05,799 --> 00:20:09,079 they've got you know, rafting and kayaks for rent and 351 00:20:09,079 --> 00:20:11,599 all that kind of stuff, and they've got school buses 352 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:14,759 or you know buses to transport people because they'll drop 353 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:17,000 you at the top of the river and then they 354 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:17,759 drive down and. 355 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,799 Speaker 2: Pick you up, right, So they've got these big busses. 356 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: So they've got The video shows a couple of these 357 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,039 buses and they're parked along the side of the road. 358 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: There's a big like a billboard. 359 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:30,079 Speaker 1: Kind of a thing there, and they had a Trump 360 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:36,559 banner tacked to the billboard sign okay, And so he 361 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,279 sees this. 362 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: He slams on his brakes. 363 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: He gets out of the car and walks over to 364 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:47,680 rip down the banner, which he had some trouble with 365 00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:50,359 because it was it was like above six feet and 366 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,039 so he couldn't see it to kind of like jump 367 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,759 up a little bit. It was kind of it was 368 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:57,680 kind of adorable. But anyway, he gets the bottom of it. 369 00:20:57,799 --> 00:20:59,799 He's able to. 370 00:20:59,319 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: Pinch the box. 371 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:02,039 Speaker 1: I'm the banner, and he starts tugging on the thing 372 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:04,319 and tugging, tugging his name, rips it down. 373 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: Well. 374 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,559 Speaker 1: The owner of the paddle in rafting company, a fellow 375 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:13,640 by the name of Mark Thomas, says he saw the 376 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,079 jeep slam on its brakes and then back up near 377 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,480 his property. He saw the driver get out, walk across 378 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,279 the road and tear down the banner. The banner actually 379 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:25,119 belonged to Mark Thomas's eighty seven year old mom, who's 380 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,920 a huge trumper loves Donald Trump. Deputies were dispatched for 381 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:35,480 the reports of shots fired. Why well, Thomas said that 382 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:41,319 when he saw on the CCTV cameras, he saw the 383 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,160 guy going over to the banner, he picked up his 384 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:47,839 rifle and he walked to his front porch, and he 385 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,039 squeezed off two rounds into the air as warning shots. Now, 386 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,240 I know what they're gonna say, you city dwell in 387 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:59,799 folks here like, oh my gosh, I can't believe that. 388 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,599 But yeah, move out to the county. Okay, you're out 389 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:04,720 in the county. You're gonna hear this sort of thing 390 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,680 pretty regularly, particularly if you go as far west as 391 00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:11,359 this was Swain County. 392 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: This is very rural. 393 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: People shoot guns all the time on their property, target 394 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,440 practice and hunting and all sorts of stuff and warning shots. 395 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:22,960 He squeezed off a couple of warning shots, saying get 396 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:30,960 off my property. In response, Benjamin Michael Campbell of Atlanta 397 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,359 gets back into his jeep and opens the sun roof, 398 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,599 pulls out his own side arm, and begins shooting wildly 399 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,240 at the premises towards Mark Thomas. 400 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:55,519 Speaker 2: I have questions, how was this guy. 401 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: Able to get his tiny little hands attached to his 402 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,519 tiny arms up and out of the sun roof. That's like, 403 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:06,359 I mean just from a like, is he on a 404 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,839 booster scene of some kind? Like how did that happen? 405 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:13,200 But you can clearly see it in the video. And 406 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,759 that's actually what prompted the police to be able to 407 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:21,519 track the guy down because Mark Thomas posted the video 408 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,079 to YouTube and that's when the swayin County Sheriff's office 409 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,079 was like, oh, there's video of this. They went down 410 00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:31,680 to Cobb County, Georgia, took him into custody, and he 411 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:36,759 was extradited back to Swain County. He was being held 412 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,960 on a seventy thousand dollars bond, but according to the 413 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,960 New York Post, he has now been released on that bond. 414 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: This guy. 415 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: What's his name here, Campbell. By the way, people are 416 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:59,240 attacking his wife on social media. They're attacking her saying 417 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,720 that she's some sort of of a giant and that's 418 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:07,079 not fair. He's just short, okay. And again I'm not 419 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,839 making fun of him being you know, vertically challenged. I'm 420 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,440 just it's not it's not it's not cool, Okay, you 421 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,960 should not be you know, yelling at his wife, calling 422 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,480 her Amazonian or whatever it is, like the you know, 423 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,640 huge like tall woman or something like. She's not She's 424 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,319 not like really really tall. He's just short. And that's 425 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,559 the picture that they got his wedding photo. I guess 426 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,359 they took it off of like Facebook or something, or 427 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,440 maybe it may not have been his wedding photo. I 428 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,920 think they were at some formal event. He was in 429 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,720 like a tucks and she was in a nice like 430 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:42,880 evening gown. And she does look much taller anyway, So done, 431 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:46,160 just leave her alone people. Okay, she was not involved 432 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,480 in this as far as I can tell. So he yeah, 433 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:53,759 so he We don't know why he was in Asheville. 434 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:02,160 And the New York Post headline here minutive accountant stands 435 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,640 on tiptoes to tear down Trump sign, shoot up owner's house, 436 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,279 and they lead the story with he's got a short fuse. Okay, 437 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:16,400 so you can tell how this article progressed from there. Again, 438 00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:19,480 I am not making fun of the man's stature, Okay, 439 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,319 his actions are what is mockable here That you cannot 440 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,680 drive through western North Carolina and see a Trump sign 441 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,880 and you have so little self control that you can't 442 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:38,759 just continue driving like inertia does all the work for you. 443 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:42,640 In that scenario, you don't have to do anything. You 444 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:48,519 just ignore it, just drive past. I somehow or another, 445 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:51,880 have been able to drive past many, many, many political 446 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,440 yard signs of politicians I don't care for. 447 00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: Throughout my entire life, I. 448 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: Have never once thought that I'm going to stop my car, 449 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:07,519 jump out and rip down the signs. That's nuts. That's nuts. 450 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:11,559 And for an accountant, you are a You are a 451 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:17,680 pox upon the profession because accountants should be disciplined. How 452 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,319 do you not have any self control here? 453 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,519 Speaker 2: Dude? Let's see here. 454 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: It's not clear why he was in North Carolina. Mark 455 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,920 Thomas says, I found one bullet hole in my refrigerator 456 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,480 which is on my porch, which that does track surveillance 457 00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:38,039 footage shows dirt flying in the air where other bullets 458 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,240 struck his front yard. He said, But we're not the 459 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:42,480 kind of people that are going to be intimidated. We'll 460 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,480 have our signs back up if we want them, as 461 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,519 you should, Mark, you and your eighty seven year old mom. 462 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:54,920 That's it, man, stay in Atlanta. You know, stories are powerful. 463 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,079 They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. 464 00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:00,599 Stories connect us to the people of our past. While 465 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,079 transcending generations. 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I would not advise messing around on 484 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,880 people's private property in western North Carolina, especially outside of Asheville. 485 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,759 I mean they make movies about this sort of thing. Yeah, 486 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:19,119 I mean, look, the guy, the homeowner of the business 487 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,920 owner was I thought he was quite nice in merely 488 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,440 firing the warning shots. The fact that you got two 489 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:34,359 warning shots, because he had a rifle, he could have 490 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,079 stopped that from happening at any moment he chose to. 491 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:42,000 You know, but really is I'm thinking about it now, 492 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,200 and like that really is something like the Trump supporter 493 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:50,960 guy has the rifle could draw down on the vandalizer 494 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,039 or the vandal. I guess, okay, fine, the vandal he 495 00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,799 could draw down on that guy. He's on his private property. 496 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,960 You're trespassing. He could have shot up his car or something. 497 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:01,039 Speaker 2: He did not. 498 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: He gave warning shots. And what did the vandal do? 499 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,519 What did the lefty CPA do? He got in his 500 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:13,319 car and then just starts firing wildly and indiscriminately at 501 00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:20,759 the house. It really does speak to a mindset. And 502 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,440 see here Russ says, easy on the short comments. It's 503 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,960 not like you or I are towering giants. Now, okay, well, whoa, whoa. 504 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,200 I was not making fun of his height. I was 505 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,519 pointing out that other outlets. For some reason, are making 506 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:41,480 a big deal about him not being very tall. I 507 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:43,440 would not do that. I did not do that. I 508 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:48,799 was pointing out that I wasn't doing it. Also, Russ says, 509 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:50,880 it's pretty clear the guy was standing on the seat 510 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,799 to shoot out the roof, at the sunroof. 511 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: That's that was my only question. 512 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: It was simply like it was a it was a 513 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,640 physiological one, you know. That was the question I had. 514 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,240 It was it was science based. Okay, it's the scientific method, 515 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,440 that's that's that's why you ask the questions. 516 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,079 Speaker 2: Okay. 517 00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:15,599 Speaker 1: Shannon says, don't make fun of us accountants. We're way 518 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,559 more fun than you think. I okay, I wasn't making 519 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:19,960 fun of account but oh do you want to hear 520 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,839 how can you tell an extroverted accountant they look at 521 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,599 your shoes when they talk to you. Boom, I kid, 522 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,000 I kid. My dad was an accountend. He was he 523 00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:42,359 was gregarious. So it's just a joke. Pr from Joco says, 524 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,200 I believe that's Johnson County. Uh says I have used 525 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,960 the word votainer a few times in conversation with a 526 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,400 current North Carolina Senator Andrew Dunn. Is right, you just 527 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:56,079 say it and keep chugging along without any explanation. The 528 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:00,720 confused look on their face subsides with time the show. Yeah, 529 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,440 I'm gonna start doing that. I'm just gonna start dropping 530 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,119 the word votainer. I posted signs in the studio here. 531 00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,359 I posted a sign up here. Hang on a second, 532 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:09,200 I'm gonna put my glasses on. I posted it up 533 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,279 a while ago. It says, new rule, the word votainer 534 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,920 is banned. Oh sorry, no, hang on, the word vote 535 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,839 getter is banned. It is a terrible word that should die. 536 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,480 Instead use the word votainer. Thank you for your attention 537 00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,200 to this matter. That's what I posted that in the 538 00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:30,960 in the studio here. So I'll be counting on all 539 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,960 of you to hold every host to the new rule. 540 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,880 I mean, they had no say in any of this. 541 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,440 I just hung the sign up one day. Nobody's taking 542 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,680 it down yet, so I think that makes it law. Okay. 543 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,839 Speaking of firing, former Wake Forest University trainer Bridget Sullivan 544 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,559 is suing North Carolina Congressman Pat Harrigan h abri g 545 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,880 a n You see. They're suing him for libel over 546 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,119 an ex post Twitter post in which Harrigan claimed that 547 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,279 she had been fired over her Instagram post on the 548 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:11,400 assassination of Charlie Kirk when she said he had it coming. 549 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,519 That post was seen and it was brought to the 550 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:22,240 attention of wake Forest, where she worked. Harrigan said that 551 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,519 he had contacted wake Forest regarding the post, which he 552 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:29,400 said crossed the line of decency, saying no university should 553 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,319 tolerate an employee glorifying political violence. Anything less than firing 554 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:38,920 her is an endorsement of it. Then a couple days later, 555 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,400 he gave an update, saying I'm happy to report that 556 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,319 after I contacted wake Forest, Bridget has been fired for 557 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,920 celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination. At some point after Sullivan's post 558 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,880 was noticed by the public, she sent her Instagram account 559 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,559 to private. Her complaint says that actually wake Forest did 560 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:04,440 not turn criminate her. She and the officials with the 561 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,880 school discussed her safety before she and the school quote 562 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:21,599 mutually agreed that it would be best to part ways. Uh, yeah, 563 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,119 you got fired. That's I know, if you're working in 564 00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:33,000 higher ed in academia, I know that you've probably never 565 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:36,519 had this kind of an experience before. But allow this 566 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,400 person who has worked in radio for quite a while 567 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,960 allow me to explain real quickly. When you mutually agree 568 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,599 to part ways, that's the employer not having to pay 569 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,079 the unemployment insurance rate increase on you. 570 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,079 Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't know. 571 00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: If they gave you some money to go away or whatever, 572 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,640 but yes, mutually agree because like if you because if 573 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,480 they don't want to lose you and you're like, screw it, 574 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,799 I'm out of here, like they can't stop you. But 575 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,679 if you want to stay and they don't want to 576 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,079 keep you, then that means you're fired. So if you're 577 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:17,239 both agree, then yes, you resigned, but you also got 578 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,519 fired because it's both. That's my ted talk. 579 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:22,639 Speaker 2: All right. 580 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 581 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,079 for listening. I could not do the show without your 582 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,880 support and the support of the businesses that advertise on 583 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,719 the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too 584 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,400 and tell them you heard it here. You can also 585 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,079 become a patron at my Patreon page or go to 586 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,920 vpetekaalnarshow dot com. 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