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Speaker 2: Local Nightmare is over.
Speaker 1: Our phone lines are repaired, which is good because we
could talk with Andrew Dunn. Andrew Dunn is a contributing
columnist over at the Charlotte Observer. He is also the
purveyor of long Leaf Politics longleafpol dot com. Andrew, how
are you today, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: Present.
Speaker 3: Here is a good word. I like that one. I
might have to use that more.
Speaker 1: I feel like it has fallen out of fashion for
some reason. I don't know why, just as words tend
to do, and I would like to bring it back.
So uh yeah, if you can adopt it, that would
be fantastic. Oh. Also, while I'm while I have you
and we're talking about adopting words, votainer. Have I already
made my elevator pitch to you about the word votainer.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have.
Speaker 1: So would you agree that the term top vote getter
is awkward and clunky and just uh, just like audio pollution.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could agree with that and try to use
plurality in a sentence as just a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I developed this word when I was up in Asheville,
And by develop I mean I took the idea from
a caller and they suggested votainer. So you would be
the top votainer, as in you attained the most votes
the votainer. You could also do it in an a
large setting where you could say the top threeiners. See,
so it's versatile. So I've been trying to wage this campaign.
It's been about a decade. It hasn't really caught on,
but any help would be appreciated.
Speaker 3: So I'll see what I can do. I think if
you just start using it and not explaining.
Speaker 2: It, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should do that, all right, So let's talk
a little bit about We could start with the with
the maps the North Carolina legislature back in session, they
came back in yesterday they started the debate on the
redraw of the congressional districts. Well basically just two really so,
and I think they passed it out of the Senate
this morning, and I think the House is now taking
it up. This thing's on a fast track, and I
was kind of surprised. I saw your peace at long
Leaf Politics where you said that it's it's not a
bad map, and you said Democrats might secretly prefer this
new map, So explain yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this thing's on a super fast track.
And it's worth pointing out that once the General Assembly
passes it, which I think will happen today, it immediately
goes into effect. There's no the governor has no ability
to sign or veto this. You know, there'll be legal challenges,
of course, but probably by the end of today these
maps will be official. You know, the reason why I
said Democrats might secretly prefer this is it takes you know,
we're talking about two districts. District one, which is northeastern
North Carolina that's Don Davis's district, and District three, which
is kind of central coastal North Carolina where Greg Murphy,
doctor Murphy represents you know, Murphy's district was one hundred
percent safe. I mean that was a seventy thirty district,
and Don Davis's district was more of a toss up.
I would probably say it's like a deep or an
R plus two R plus one where Republicans did have
a little bit of an advantage, but obviously a Democrat
Don Davis was able to win it several times in
a row. Now basically you've got two districts that are
let's call it R plus five R plus six, where
you know, before Democrats had absolutely no chance in District three,
now they've got a chance. I mean, if everything breaks right,
good candidate, national environment, blue wave type election, you could
conceivably have both of those districts go blue.
Speaker 1: Right, And that's you mentioned the candidates. I always point
this out to people. Candidates matter. If you have, you know,
bad candidates, it doesn't like sometimes it doesn't matter how
gerrymandered a district is or how it's drawn, you could
end up losing that race. And also if the yeah,
if the environment is such that there's some blue wave
crashing ashore, these races become winnable. And it's it's an
argument or a point I should say that the Democrats
never and the media but I repeat myself, but they never.
It's like they never take into account these wave elections
where safe seats are what we thought were safe seats
get flipped and over time, you know, the demographics of
these districts change. That's why they redraw them every ten years.
So there's there are opportunities for Democrats to win, and
it's like they they don't want to have to recalibrate
any of their messaging in order to become more electable.
Speaker 3: It seems, yeah, I think that's exactly right. And I
think a lot of the you know a lot of
the people who are saying that that this is wrong
are mostly focused on the process, and you know, to
their to their credit, there is some point to that.
I mean, this is kind of unprecedented for North Carolina
to go in and redraw congressional lines, you know, basically
just on a whim, rather than as the result of
a court case. And you know, I wrote a column
last week, we talked about it. I wasn't convinced that
this was the best thing to do, but after seeing
the map, you know this, you know, this really isn't
that bad of a map. It's in some ways you
could argue with a better map than what we had before.
I'm less concerned about the long term prospects of it.
Speaker 1: I saw you mixing it up with a Twitter account
that has blocked me, Carolina Forward. Uh, who they're They're
they're out there saying that this is like a racial gerrymander.
They're they're like, oh, they can't win with the with
with fair maps and such. And I thought you were
being very helpful in like citing one of the previous
maps or the last time Democrats drew the congressional districts
and their maps were really weird looking. Uh, and the
subject of a lot of court cases and such.
Speaker 2: So, uh, is this is this.
Speaker 1: A new tact for you? Are you gonna be mixing
it up on on Twitter?
Speaker 3: You know, when I have time, I've got a lot
going on, but I do try to educate the public,
uh when when they need it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: The problem I have with arguments like that from Carolina
Ford is I find them intellectually dishonest. Yes, you know,
the maps that they cite as good maps look absolutely hideous,
but it engineers an outcome that they prefer that gives
Democrats the best chance of victory. And really that argument
is not any different from what Republicans might say to
defend that their maps. I mean, it's all about engineering outcomes.
You just disagree with the outcome, you know. I would
have more respect for people who disagree with the maps
saying that you know, these these districts don't represent actual communities,
that they're pulling in people from all sorts of different areas.
But I haven't heard that a single time.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No, In fact, they're making the argument that it's that
it's racist, which the Republicans have because of all of
the lawsuits they've gotten. Now you know court direction from
the Supreme Court on this stuff that I don't use race,
but you have to use a little bit of race something,
and so like this is the standards are all over
the place. But the point here is that they're like, look,
we just used the political data registration and voting patterns
and stuff.
Speaker 2: We didn't look at race.
Speaker 1: And the problem that the Democrats have is that ninety
plus percent of African Americans vote Democrats. So if you're
using political data, it's going to look like you're using
racial data. And that's precisely the argument sam Alito made
in one of the Routo cases at the Supreme Court.
So they keep making these arguments, and to your point,
it's just not good faith. It's not an intellectually honest argument.
I don't think, all right, let's say, all right, let's
get to the crime issue here before I let you go,
because you've got a peace Also at long leave politics,
you're calling for some sort of what General Assembly hearings
on crime and this what I call the catch and
release court system here in Charlotte. But I'm you know,
this is not just in Michlimberg County.
Speaker 2: This is all across the.
Speaker 3: State, right, exactly right. And we've talked about this issue
quite a bit in previous weeks. There's the debate over
whether you know crime is going up or going down,
or you know, whether it matters if the CMPD data
shows that crime is going down when you know homicides
in Uptown are up two hundred percent. But in this piece,
I really drilled down on a new issue that's kind
of come to light for me, and that's that there's
all of these examples coming out of people who have
been arrested time and time and time again. You know,
there was a fifteen year old who's CMPD set has
been arrested one hundred and eleven times in two years,
which is just insane to me. I don't even know
how that happens. But there were some other cases. There
was a lady who got arrested after threatening people at
the Family Dollar, including pointing her gun at police officers,
and she was out on fifteen hundred dollars bond almost immediately.
I mean, that is just unreal to me. And the
reason why I'm calling for General Assembly hearings on this
is because I feel like the problems are so widespread
that we need to hit everybody in a room, you know,
get the DA to come testify, get magistrates to come testify,
get judges to come testify, and let's get everything out
in the open. Let's figure out how do we put
a stop to this, because you know, Arena's law was
a great step forward, but it's clearly not doing enough
and we need to really figure out how we can
solve this.
Speaker 1: So yesterday on the show, I tracked or trace this
to the MacArthur Foundation. They've spent more than three almost
three and a half million dollars in Mecklenberg County as
part of their Safety and Justice Challenge. They've given grants
going back to before the summer of fiery but mostly
peaceful rioting in twenty twenty, and they do implicit bias training.
They and their whole goal is to reduce incarceration, and
they're giving grants out and then they're doing trainings, and
they've done it in Mecklenburg, they've done it all across
the state of North Carolina, so there's a good place
to start. I did see Trisha Cotham on Twitter said
that's she says, we're on it, so like we'll see
what comes of that. But then there's also I saw
a guy responding about what was it, the the Justice
Reinvestment Act from twenty eleven when BEV Produce signed this
thing into office or into law, and it was designed
to reduce jail populations as well and to make some
of these misdemeanor counts, you know, cashless bail essentially.
Speaker 2: So this, like these.
Speaker 1: Quote reforms have been going on for a long time
and I don't like to say it, but like I'm
thinking these judges and magistrates have too much discretion, just
too much.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely and good find on teasing all that out.
I mean, in my mind, the best way to cut
down on jail populations is for folks to commit fewer crimes.
Speaker 1: Get out of town. That's nuts, all right, Andrew down.
You can read his stuff over at longleafpol dot com
Longleaf Politics. He is also a contributing columnist at The
Charlotte Observer, but we never hold that against him.
Speaker 2: Andrew, Thanks for your time, buddy, good to talk with you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, Take care.
Speaker 1: He is one of my votainers if you were to
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redistricting vote. North Carolina Republicans voting today to finalize a
new congressional map that aims to protect the GOP's slim
majority in the US House of Representatives, a move expected
to happen amid a backdrop of protests led by Democrats
and Dante jerrymandering advocates. They always get the nicest descriptions,
you know, people on the left always get the nicest,
most charitable descriptors. It's like, you know, when you say,
see somebody and they're getting interviewed on the you know,
the evening news, and it says something like, you know,
pete callaner and then underneath my name it's like resident,
you know, or or neighbor or something like that, and uh,
you know, this is anti jerry mandering advocates. Is that
really who was there? I mean, yes, Democrats were there,
But are they actually just anti jerry mandering advocates or
are they anti Republican jerry mandering advocates. That seems like
it's a little bit more honest, right, because the people
showing up now to complain about the Republican maps did
not care and do not care. They don't go to
any other state and complain about the Democrat jerry manders,
which are plentiful they abound. Right. We've talked about the
Maryland being one New York state getting smacked around by
their own Democrat Supreme Court because they jerrymandered so badly
in violation of their own state constitution. They got smacked down. Illinois, California,
the hect the entire northeast, all of those New England
states up there. There are zero Republicans in Congress from
any of those states, any of them. Yet Republicans make
up forty percent of the voting population up there. See,
so you're not an anti gerrymandering advocate. You're an anti
republican jerrymandering advocate. And when you ask Democrats, well, you know,
why don't you go ahead and lead the way, show
us the way to do this correctly. That makes it
quote fair, Show us how to draw the fair maps
in states that you control. And what do they say, Well,
that would be unilateral disarmament. Okay, then so here we are.
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know me, I do not. I don't make fun of
people's appearance. Most people can't help it, you know, like
you're just you're born the way you're born, you have
the genetics, you look the way you look. I mean
there are some things you can do, obviously, but I
don't like. I don't take the I don't take the
ad hominem route on, you know, making fun of people's appearances,
like when people were calling John Kerry horse face. I
never did that. I mean, I'm aware of well I'm not,
and I didn't say that in order to call in that.
I'm just saying, like people, that's a you know, people
would make fun of the way people look, and I don't.
I don't do that. This guy from Atlanta, Benjamin Michael Campbell,
he apparently is short, and I'm not going to make
fun of him for being short, okay, because again, he
had no.
Speaker 2: He had no influence on that.
Speaker 1: He got the short geness, and who among us right
hasn't erroneously purchased a pair of short genes, particularly about
five years ago when that was all that was on
the racks. So it's not his fault, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: He is an accountant, and I will make fun of
him for that. That's I'm just kidding. I'm not going
to make fun of him for that either, when there's
so much more I could make fun of him for,
for example, his actions. So this is from WLOS Television,
which is the ABC affiliate out in Asheville, and a
couple of days ago they got this guy, Benjamin Michael
Campbell from Atlanta, all five foot six of them. They
got him, which isn't even really that short. It's okay. Anyway,
they got him extradited back to North Carolina based on
a charge from September. So what happened. He is accused
of tearing down a pro Trump banner at a rafting
business along the side of the road, like they had
like they had security camera footage also, so it's all
on tape, okay, So there isn't any doubt that's to
what occurred, because he's driving down the road he was on. Yeah,
he was in Nantahalo Gorge about seventy five miles west
of Ashville, September sixth, driving down the road and he's
he's going down and he passes this.
Speaker 2: It's called the paddle In Rafting Company.
Speaker 1: And as is the case a lot of these paddle companies,
they've got you know, rafting and kayaks for rent and
all that kind of stuff, and they've got school buses
or you know buses to transport people because they'll drop
you at the top of the river and then they
drive down and.
Speaker 2: Pick you up, right, So they've got these big busses.
Speaker 1: So they've got The video shows a couple of these
buses and they're parked along the side of the road.
Speaker 2: There's a big like a billboard.
Speaker 1: Kind of a thing there, and they had a Trump
banner tacked to the billboard sign okay, And so he
sees this.
Speaker 2: He slams on his brakes.
Speaker 1: He gets out of the car and walks over to
rip down the banner, which he had some trouble with
because it was it was like above six feet and
so he couldn't see it to kind of like jump
up a little bit. It was kind of it was
kind of adorable. But anyway, he gets the bottom of it.
He's able to.
Speaker 2: Pinch the box.
Speaker 1: I'm the banner, and he starts tugging on the thing
and tugging, tugging his name, rips it down.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: The owner of the paddle in rafting company, a fellow
by the name of Mark Thomas, says he saw the
jeep slam on its brakes and then back up near
his property. He saw the driver get out, walk across
the road and tear down the banner. The banner actually
belonged to Mark Thomas's eighty seven year old mom, who's
a huge trumper loves Donald Trump. Deputies were dispatched for
the reports of shots fired. Why well, Thomas said that
when he saw on the CCTV cameras, he saw the
guy going over to the banner, he picked up his
rifle and he walked to his front porch, and he
squeezed off two rounds into the air as warning shots. Now,
I know what they're gonna say, you city dwell in
folks here like, oh my gosh, I can't believe that.
But yeah, move out to the county. Okay, you're out
in the county. You're gonna hear this sort of thing
pretty regularly, particularly if you go as far west as
this was Swain County.
Speaker 2: This is very rural.
Speaker 1: People shoot guns all the time on their property, target
practice and hunting and all sorts of stuff and warning shots.
He squeezed off a couple of warning shots, saying get
off my property. In response, Benjamin Michael Campbell of Atlanta
gets back into his jeep and opens the sun roof,
pulls out his own side arm, and begins shooting wildly
at the premises towards Mark Thomas.
Speaker 2: I have questions, how was this guy.
Speaker 1: Able to get his tiny little hands attached to his
tiny arms up and out of the sun roof. That's like,
I mean just from a like, is he on a
booster scene of some kind? Like how did that happen?
But you can clearly see it in the video. And
that's actually what prompted the police to be able to
track the guy down because Mark Thomas posted the video
to YouTube and that's when the swayin County Sheriff's office
was like, oh, there's video of this. They went down
to Cobb County, Georgia, took him into custody, and he
was extradited back to Swain County. He was being held
on a seventy thousand dollars bond, but according to the
New York Post, he has now been released on that bond.
Speaker 2: This guy.
Speaker 1: What's his name here, Campbell. By the way, people are
attacking his wife on social media. They're attacking her saying
that she's some sort of of a giant and that's
not fair. He's just short, okay. And again I'm not
making fun of him being you know, vertically challenged. I'm
just it's not it's not it's not cool, Okay, you
should not be you know, yelling at his wife, calling
her Amazonian or whatever it is, like the you know,
huge like tall woman or something like. She's not She's
not like really really tall. He's just short. And that's
the picture that they got his wedding photo. I guess
they took it off of like Facebook or something, or
maybe it may not have been his wedding photo. I
think they were at some formal event. He was in
like a tucks and she was in a nice like
evening gown. And she does look much taller anyway, So done,
just leave her alone people. Okay, she was not involved
in this as far as I can tell. So he yeah,
so he We don't know why he was in Asheville.
And the New York Post headline here minutive accountant stands
on tiptoes to tear down Trump sign, shoot up owner's house,
and they lead the story with he's got a short fuse. Okay,
so you can tell how this article progressed from there. Again,
I am not making fun of the man's stature, Okay,
his actions are what is mockable here That you cannot
drive through western North Carolina and see a Trump sign
and you have so little self control that you can't
just continue driving like inertia does all the work for you.
In that scenario, you don't have to do anything. You
just ignore it, just drive past. I somehow or another,
have been able to drive past many, many, many political
yard signs of politicians I don't care for.
Speaker 2: Throughout my entire life, I.
Speaker 1: Have never once thought that I'm going to stop my car,
jump out and rip down the signs. That's nuts. That's nuts.
And for an accountant, you are a You are a
pox upon the profession because accountants should be disciplined. How
do you not have any self control here?
Speaker 2: Dude? Let's see here.
Speaker 1: It's not clear why he was in North Carolina. Mark
Thomas says, I found one bullet hole in my refrigerator
which is on my porch, which that does track surveillance
footage shows dirt flying in the air where other bullets
struck his front yard. He said, But we're not the
kind of people that are going to be intimidated. We'll
have our signs back up if we want them, as
you should, Mark, you and your eighty seven year old mom.
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from Gary. This guy from Atlanta seems pretty ignorant of
where he is. I would not advise messing around on
people's private property in western North Carolina, especially outside of Asheville.
I mean they make movies about this sort of thing. Yeah,
I mean, look, the guy, the homeowner of the business
owner was I thought he was quite nice in merely
firing the warning shots. The fact that you got two
warning shots, because he had a rifle, he could have
stopped that from happening at any moment he chose to.
You know, but really is I'm thinking about it now,
and like that really is something like the Trump supporter
guy has the rifle could draw down on the vandalizer
or the vandal. I guess, okay, fine, the vandal he
could draw down on that guy. He's on his private property.
You're trespassing. He could have shot up his car or something.
Speaker 2: He did not.
Speaker 1: He gave warning shots. And what did the vandal do?
What did the lefty CPA do? He got in his
car and then just starts firing wildly and indiscriminately at
the house. It really does speak to a mindset. And
see here Russ says, easy on the short comments. It's
not like you or I are towering giants. Now, okay, well, whoa, whoa.
I was not making fun of his height. I was
pointing out that other outlets. For some reason, are making
a big deal about him not being very tall. I
would not do that. I did not do that. I
was pointing out that I wasn't doing it. Also, Russ says,
it's pretty clear the guy was standing on the seat
to shoot out the roof, at the sunroof.
Speaker 2: That's that was my only question.
Speaker 1: It was simply like it was a it was a
physiological one, you know. That was the question I had.
It was it was science based. Okay, it's the scientific method,
that's that's that's why you ask the questions.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Shannon says, don't make fun of us accountants. We're way
more fun than you think. I okay, I wasn't making
fun of account but oh do you want to hear
how can you tell an extroverted accountant they look at
your shoes when they talk to you. Boom, I kid,
I kid. My dad was an accountend. He was he
was gregarious. So it's just a joke. Pr from Joco says,
I believe that's Johnson County. Uh says I have used
the word votainer a few times in conversation with a
current North Carolina Senator Andrew Dunn. Is right, you just
say it and keep chugging along without any explanation. The
confused look on their face subsides with time the show. Yeah,
I'm gonna start doing that. I'm just gonna start dropping
the word votainer. I posted signs in the studio here.
I posted a sign up here. Hang on a second,
I'm gonna put my glasses on. I posted it up
a while ago. It says, new rule, the word votainer
is banned. Oh sorry, no, hang on, the word vote
getter is banned. It is a terrible word that should die.
Instead use the word votainer. Thank you for your attention
to this matter. That's what I posted that in the
in the studio here. So I'll be counting on all
of you to hold every host to the new rule.
I mean, they had no say in any of this.
I just hung the sign up one day. Nobody's taking
it down yet, so I think that makes it law. Okay.
Speaking of firing, former Wake Forest University trainer Bridget Sullivan
is suing North Carolina Congressman Pat Harrigan h abri g
a n You see. They're suing him for libel over
an ex post Twitter post in which Harrigan claimed that
she had been fired over her Instagram post on the
assassination of Charlie Kirk when she said he had it coming.
That post was seen and it was brought to the
attention of wake Forest, where she worked. Harrigan said that
he had contacted wake Forest regarding the post, which he
said crossed the line of decency, saying no university should
tolerate an employee glorifying political violence. Anything less than firing
her is an endorsement of it. Then a couple days later,
he gave an update, saying I'm happy to report that
after I contacted wake Forest, Bridget has been fired for
celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination. At some point after Sullivan's post
was noticed by the public, she sent her Instagram account
to private. Her complaint says that actually wake Forest did
not turn criminate her. She and the officials with the
school discussed her safety before she and the school quote
mutually agreed that it would be best to part ways. Uh, yeah,
you got fired. That's I know, if you're working in
higher ed in academia, I know that you've probably never
had this kind of an experience before. But allow this
person who has worked in radio for quite a while
allow me to explain real quickly. When you mutually agree
to part ways, that's the employer not having to pay
the unemployment insurance rate increase on you.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: If they gave you some money to go away or whatever,
but yes, mutually agree because like if you because if
they don't want to lose you and you're like, screw it,
I'm out of here, like they can't stop you. But
if you want to stay and they don't want to
keep you, then that means you're fired. So if you're
both agree, then yes, you resigned, but you also got
fired because it's both. That's my ted talk.
Speaker 2: All right.
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