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The Lapsed Fan Live. We take to the 22 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:13.680 stage smack dab in the middle of the biggest and 23 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:17.799 first to night SummerSlam in WWE history, Because you know, Boss, 24 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:21.280 there's just sometimes you've got to gather wrestling fans around 25 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:23.760 and just have a talk about why it is we're 26 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:25.359 still watching this stuff if none of it's. 27 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.719 Real, listen and why? And where better? But what better 28 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:30.680 place to do it than in the middle of New 29 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.239 York City on fucking Broadway. Essentially all right, taking care, 30 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.239 taking care of business the way we do there. 31 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:40.519 It goes the neighborhood, you know the deal Comedy Village 32 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.120 dot com for tickets, please join us as we bring 33 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:45.920 together the Laps. And this is huge because we're joined 34 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:50.319 now by the proprietor of Seid Establishment, someone really in 35 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:52.480 the firmament of New York City comedy and we're really 36 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.040 privileged to work with him. Coming up on August third 37 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:59.040 PJ Landers Season New York comedian, actor, writer, owner of 38 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.519 the Comedy Village. Is he your ton of experience in 39 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:03.799 the industry and a queen's boy. 40 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:04.280 PJ. 41 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:05.079 Welcome to the Labs. 42 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.680 Fan, Thank you guys for having me. I'm so excited 43 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:09.159 to be here. 44 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:12.360 So first get our listeners. If you could acquainted with 45 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.879 the history of the venue. This is a really cool 46 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:16.000 place that we're going to be playing. 47 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:19.400 Yeah, we're excited to have you. I mean, we're coming 48 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.599 from a friend of ours, Ray, who always is a 49 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:26.680 comedy and wrestling fan since I've known him, Ray Goots, 50 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:29.319 and he introduced me to you guys, And this place 51 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.400 is exciting. We're in the heart of the village, excuse me, 52 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:35.400 your heart of Times Square right now on West forty 53 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:37.759 forth Street, just like a couple of blocks from the 54 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:41.319 train station and the bus station, so it's real easy 55 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:44.479 to get to. And I've been doing comedy for over 56 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.800 thirty years in New York City. We originally started on 57 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.400 West third Street at a place called the Boston Comedy Club. 58 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:55.199 I know now a bunch of of your fans will 59 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:58.319 know this because this is the place where Dave Chappelle started, 60 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:03.919 Louis c. K started, David tel started. Is more all 61 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:04.680 the guys we know. 62 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:06.560 Now, isn't there a little bit of irony that there's 63 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.000 a Boston, that there's the Boston Comedy Club in New 64 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:12.719 York given the sports rivalries of the of the cities. 65 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.639 It's so great that you say that because the guy 66 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:20.319 who started it was a guy named Barry Katz. Okay, 67 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:24.599 Barry Katz was from Boston and there was another company 68 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:27.599 called New York Comedy Club, so he wanted to put 69 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:32.000 a twist on it. That's how many people thought it 70 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:34.639 was stupid. They're like, what a stupid idea for the 71 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.280 Boston Comedy Club on West third Street. But you know what, 72 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.840 it was genius because everybody talked about it, and now 73 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:43.479 we're talking about it forty years later. 74 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:44.199 Amzing. 75 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:47.719 But I got very lucky. Barry was deciding to go 76 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:50.039 out to Los Angeles and they were going to close 77 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.080 the club, and I had no experience running a full 78 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.639 time club, but this was two thousand and five, and 79 00:03:57.719 --> 00:03:59.599 they said, hey, do you want to do it? And 80 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:03.120 we took gover and within a year we were successful. 81 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.000 We had Chappelle, who had just come out of like 82 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:09.599 Recluse with the with the whole Chapelle show thing. He 83 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:11.919 came down to our place one night and he performed 84 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:13.960 for the first time that anybody had ever seen him 85 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.879 do it. He performed for four hours on my stage. 86 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:22.160 Wow. Wow, so this is this is hollowed ground. That's wild. Well, 87 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:25.560 we're a couple, we're both Bostonians PJ. And we grew 88 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.279 up going to the New York Comedy Club. No, I'm 89 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:31.600 kidding it. We could we can switch to the switch 90 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:32.240 the joke around. 91 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:32.800 You know, we do. 92 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.639 We do a thing where we find a wrestler has 93 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:37.639 been in a movie, okay, and we review the movie. 94 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.839 We call it qualifying for one of the shows we 95 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.279 do if there's a wrestler involved somehow, or if it's 96 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:47.519 about a wrestler. You know, by virtue of working with us, 97 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:50.639 you might help qualify Spike Lee's She's Got to Have 98 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:53.879 It because I understand that you played a role. Perhaps 99 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.040 there can you tell us about that film, maybe it'll 100 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:57.959 help us qualify that great picture. 101 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.920 Well it's that was actually the series that was on Netflix. 102 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:03.319 Oh got it? 103 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.519 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was a little bit different. 104 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.879 I actually played a nice, nice, good old Spike Lee 105 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:10.680 racist cop. 106 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.600 How how how naturally did that come to you? I'm kidding, 107 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:18.199 but no, no, it's it's it's funny. 108 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.240 It's because listen in my neighborhood, Sunnyside Woodside, which let 109 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:22.959 me tell you, and you'll tell me when to stop. 110 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:23.720 And I'll please go ahead. 111 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.199 By the way, I'll be listening to you carefully to 112 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:28.560 uh to break in obviously I'm not going to be 113 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.480 talking the whole time. But I grew up in Sunnyside Woodside. Now, 114 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:34.759 for a bunch of wrestling fans out there, you'll know, 115 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:43.120 Sunnyside Gardens is a world famous place, and I lived 116 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:45.639 there and I actually got That's where I first got 117 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:50.120 my taste for wrestling from from you know, undercards, And 118 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:52.759 I don't even note of the names that I saw. 119 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:54.839 And we'll talk about the big guys later, but none 120 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:56.519 of the names that I saw I can remember. But 121 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:59.480 it was real wrestling. You know. I love what people 122 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:03.240 say like fake. Like I don't understand how you think 123 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:06.600 a two hundred and twenty five pound man slapping you 124 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.680 in the face, whether it's real or fake, is not real, right. 125 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.560 I mean, I mean, listen, I'm want to let you 126 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:16.680 know that PJ. So, I've gotten in the ring twice, okay, 127 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:20.920 and I will tell you that the next morning after 128 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:27.560 I wrestled, the pain was undeniably real. How sore I was. 129 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:28.639 It's fucking real. 130 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:32.319 Man. What was the girl's name? Who beats me? 131 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:36.120 Well, now we're not talking about wrestling anymore. That's a 132 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.079 whole different thing exactly. Hello, major concern there well, I'm 133 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:42.279 glad you went right there, PJ. 134 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:42.800 Because we do. 135 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:47.439 We always covet the opportunity to talk to fans who 136 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:51.240 remember by gone eras we focus a lot on recollecting 137 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.319 the nostalgia that wrestling, the special nostalgic place wrestling can 138 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.600 hold in a lot of people's minds. So what are 139 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.959 we talking about? Were talking about the Pedro Morales era 140 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.519 or the Bob Backland era, or the Bruno San Martino era, 141 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:03.480 the Hogan era. 142 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.959 We're talking like with those two ladder names, the Bruno, 143 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:16.160 the later part Hogan, but Salmonino, the Big Boy Andre, 144 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.079 the Giants. Yes, you know these guys, These guys I 145 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:22.360 got very lucky to see. We all kind of liked wrestling. 146 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.240 We would watch it on w O Wall in New 147 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.839 York City. If I can recall, it was on later 148 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.240 either like a ten or eleven o'clock where we had 149 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.839 to do a sleepover, yes kind of thing, and you 150 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.959 know there was no I can't remember because I'm, like 151 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:39.399 I said, I'm a little older than you guys, but 152 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.040 in the seventies, I can't recall it. Like overall, like 153 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.560 people saying, oh, it's fake, it's this and that. I 154 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:48.480 think It was just fun to watch. It was something 155 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.160 different than anything that you ever saw. Nobody in your 156 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:54.839 neighborhood was wrestling like that. Everybody was either boxing or 157 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:57.120 you know, doing a karate kind of thing. 158 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.759 Yeah. Yeah, it catches the eye in a way, like 159 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:03.920 if you have any m JP. We talked about this 160 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.160 all the time, if you have any like proclivity towards 161 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.079 like hand to hand combat as a kid, like if 162 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:10.600 you're into hinjas or anything, wrestling is just like this 163 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:13.480 fascinating representation of what a fight might look like. You 164 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.040 don't know, you know, you haven't been in a hundred fights, 165 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:17.560 you know, this could very well be what a fight 166 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:20.040 looks like you especially before UFC existed. 167 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.879 Well, yeah, I'll tell you no, no, you go oh. 168 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:26.759 I was just going to say that. You know, as 169 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.399 a as a kid, one of the things that always 170 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.040 attracted me to wrestling was the idea that this is 171 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.679 what I wanted sports to be. I wanted sports to 172 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.799 be people just hating on each other for no reason 173 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.159 and just beating the crap out of each other. Like, 174 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:40.639 to me, that's what sports were all about. 175 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:47.399 No rules, my family life, all right, you were going 176 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.919 to say, Pa, I was going to add on to 177 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.399 it that, you know, in my neighborhood, wrestling saved my life. Wow, 178 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:57.000 it saved my life a bunch of times, like like 179 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:00.399 in fights, right. I remember this one time, and I 180 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:02.440 didn't even know how to do it, but I got 181 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:04.200 a guy. We had a fight, and I got a 182 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:07.960 guy in a headlock, you know, and more than likely 183 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.960 it was completely incorrect, it was, but I you know, 184 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:13.320 I thought I was like I was Bob Backling at 185 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.159 that moment. You know, I was like, Oh, I got 186 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.000 this guy, you know. And then another time I thought 187 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:20.960 this guy was much bigger than I was, you know, 188 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.399 maybe I was, you know, ten or ten, eleven years old, 189 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:25.960 whatever it was, and I go to my friends. I 190 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.799 go it was maybe like six foot two hundred pounds. 191 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.159 I say to my guys, I got this one. And 192 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.799 I go up to him and I grab him in 193 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.480 the headlock, and just like a scene like in the middle, 194 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.320 like like we had planned it, he grabs me by 195 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:46.240 my ass, He flips me over, throws me into a car, 196 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:48.960 and slaps the shit out of me. 197 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:53.120 Oh my god, that's that's so true. You would never 198 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:54.919 Your point, I think is you would never think to 199 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.039 grab a headlock. If you didn't watch wrestling, that'd be 200 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:58.799 the last instinct you'd have in the middle of a fight. 201 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:00.759 But you're like, it just I don't know, you kind 202 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:02.639 of download it in your head in a way. 203 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:03.000 Yep. 204 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.080 Yeah, you got to admit that it is an exciting sport. 205 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.679 You know, it's really a certain people, a certain type 206 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.559 of person that watches it. You know, if you're a 207 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.960 golf guy, you might like it, but maybe you won't. 208 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.559 Maybe you want the excitement. You like, like you just said, 209 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.120 the bullshit that goes back and forth and back in 210 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:21.159 the day was even worse. You know, they were saying 211 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:24.320 racial slurs and all about their wives, and you know, 212 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.720 well maybe they do it now. I know, I think 213 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:27.720 it's a little different now. 214 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.120 Yeah, it's a lot more passive aggressive, but yeah, they 215 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:32.720 do try to do mic drop things on the light 216 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:34.720 like that. But all right, this is great, what a 217 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:37.480 great foundation. Now I'm coming in JP and I are 218 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.840 coming in hot because we know there's a couple of 219 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:41.399 things that you're going to be able to talk about 220 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:43.480 when it comes to this era of wrestling in New 221 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.559 York and coming of age during this time. One is 222 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.240 Bob Beckland. You already mentioned him. He of course reigned 223 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.519 for years his WWWF champion, kind of taking the mantle 224 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.600 of the babyface champion at the Garden, after Bruno and 225 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.840 then Pedro and then Superstar, and then it was Backland. 226 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.679 There is a story. When I first heard it PJ, 227 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:04.799 and I'd like you to share it with our listeners. 228 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:06.960 I thought this had to have been the era where 229 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.519 Bob Eckland in the nineties turned into a psychopathic bad 230 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.600 guy because of what I was hearing. But no, this 231 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:14.440 story happened when Bob Backlin was the squeakiest, clean good 232 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:17.080 guy in all of wrestling. Tell us what happened. 233 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.200 Yeah, so I'm at the Garden. I can't remember the year, 234 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:24.480 forgive me for it. I actually called up because when 235 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.519 we talk about the other things, I called three other 236 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:30.320 people to firm up my story. But we were at 237 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.360 the Garden and this guy, which we'll talk to or 238 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:34.840 unless you want to bring it up there, I'll just 239 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:38.639 say for now, this guy mel got us like seats 240 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:44.200 that were in the area, you know, and Bob macklean 241 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:48.879 came out of the flying off of the ring, flying 242 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.120 off the ring like let me tell you when you 243 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.320 watch it on TV. It's one thing, but when you're 244 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.360 five and ten fifteen feet away as a young kid, 245 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:00.879 and you see a two hundred pound man flying ten 246 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.840 feet into the air, and I forgot who he was 247 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:08.240 going against, but he gave when to give the guy 248 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:12.639 a shot, and the guy ducked, and my beautiful red 249 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:16.240 head freckle face took the punch right in the jaw. 250 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:18.080 Oh, you took it for real. 251 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:22.200 I took it for real. Whether he was really gonna 252 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:25.279 hit the guy or anything, it's just like it was 253 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:29.799 a flying's arm. The guy ducked. My dumb ass face 254 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:33.960 was there. Pow. I go back on my back. I 255 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:37.559 shake it off. I jump up as if I'm gonna wrestle, 256 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:41.080 and he looks at me and he laughed his ass 257 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.000 off because I had popped up so quickly. 258 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.679 You're looking for the comeback. So what happened. Did they 259 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:47.440 come over and kiss your ass and try to make 260 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:49.080 sure you didn't sue them? Or was that before? That 261 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:49.840 was a thing? 262 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.759 That was before that. They didn't even give me a coke. 263 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:54.440 They were like, get out of here again. You know, 264 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.039 as a matter of fact, this is what actually happened. 265 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:00.919 I think, Bob, like they came back and came over 266 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:04.440 a little maybe slightly concerned. But this is now, you're 267 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:08.080 talking thousands of a second. That's all of this is happening, right, 268 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.320 So so I get hit, I go back, I pop 269 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:14.080 up him, and I have that exchange. He comes over 270 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.919 a little closer to realize I'm okay. He grabs my 271 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:22.679 shirt and throws me back again. Wow, it was great, 272 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:23.480 It was great. 273 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:25.759 Why did he throw you back again? 274 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:30.159 It's just the way, you know what, like not hard enough, 275 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:32.120 but just like, get out of here, kid, you know 276 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.919 you're okay, stop stop whining or whatever you thought you 277 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:37.960 were going to do. So there was no security, there 278 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:41.600 was no you know, and McMahon didn't come down and 279 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:44.039 give me a pat on the back. You know, there 280 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:47.120 was no autograph picture of me in the back with him. 281 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:50.360 You know, that's what a what a different world. And 282 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.519 not only had that happened, but for like the superhero 283 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:55.480 of the territory to do that to you and and 284 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:57.879 and kind of brush it off like that, it's this 285 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:00.720 is tremendous. So when he when he hit you, did 286 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.360 you did you fall back in your chair? I think 287 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:04.720 you said that, or did you hit the deck or 288 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:05.759 did you just stagger. 289 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:10.399 We were I think I just staggered back because it 290 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:12.679 was a decent shot because we we had stood up 291 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.759 right because we were had those the folding chairs are 292 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:16.519 right in the front, so the bar was like literally 293 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:18.320 right in front of us. So we were like holding 294 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.799 onto that that excitement. And then he came off and 295 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:23.600 then we all I kind of stood up and then 296 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:25.519 I took the punch and the chair went back a 297 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:30.840 little bit, and then uh uh he just he just 298 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.320 like looked and again it was like right there. Now 299 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.879 there was no no video of this. I would love 300 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:39.080 I love to find that video. Oh my god, that 301 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:45.000 would be great. But irregardless of that situation, that's that's 302 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:49.360 a reference to uh, what's that movie? I'm sorry. I 303 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.320 thought you guys would get it from Boss from Boston. 304 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.600 You know the movie were Matt Damon. 305 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:56.159 Oh you're talking about to depart it? 306 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:57.960 No, the other one move. 307 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:08.159 Oh my god, I'm I'm sewing like I'm sewing like uh, 308 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.679 you know, Bob Backman hitting fans thing that I'm not 309 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:14.639 even thinking about Boston references. 310 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:17.039 I didn't mean to go I didn't mean to go 311 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:21.159 too deep to great reference because you know, Ben Affleck 312 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:25.360 goes in dressed with a high he runs a high suit. 313 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:27.919 He's got you know, and he says to these guys, hey, 314 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.960 you guys are suspect and irregardless of that situation. 315 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:35.120 Okay, now I'm with you. I remember exactly. I don't 316 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:36.840 remember seeing regardless, you know what I thought. 317 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.080 Of with the white sox and everything. That's the best party, 318 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:42.799 those white white the short like the pants are like 319 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:45.720 like a size or too too short, and so they're 320 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:47.879 just exposed white sox. Hilarious. 321 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.720 Well that that reminded me, PJ. Of some of the 322 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.799 overly verbose words that Vince McMahon would use when he 323 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:57.320 was ringside with the microphone. Right, he'd say, nonetheless that, notwithstanding, 324 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:58.159 regardless of. 325 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.320 The regardless of the fact of the not with standing 326 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.799 that information, and we will indeed provide further entertainment. Does 327 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:09.120 we prolong the excess of wrestling for the audience? 328 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:10.159 Right? 329 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.440 Something like that. What did you think of Vince growing up? 330 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:19.480 You know, I guess you know, we learned to hate 331 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:21.960 some of them because they you know, they were programming 332 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:23.799 us to hate this one or that one. You know, 333 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:26.440 it's easy. So I don't think I had a real 334 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.399 understanding of what was happening in his and when you 335 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:32.120 look at it like one of my Oh my god, 336 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.600 I just I whoever's gonna hate whoever loved me, any 337 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.440 of your fans who love me right now just because 338 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:39.360 of who I am, you might hate me when I'm 339 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.080 about to say this, But I just watched The Iron 340 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:46.039 Claw from beginning to end. Oh, like like a week ago. 341 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:48.399 I got home from the club it was on. I 342 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.000 was like, oh, let me finally watch this, and it 343 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.440 drew me in and drew me in and drew me 344 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.159 into the to the everything about that movie. 345 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.919 You know absolutely the Iron Claw was. It means something 346 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:02.639 to us because we did a series on World Class 347 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.079 and the guy who plays Fritz van Eric listen to 348 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:06.599 a lot of the shows that we did. He said 349 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:08.920 that in an interview to prepare for the character. So 350 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.319 we've got we've got some skin in that game. Yeah, 351 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.640 we pick up what you're throwing down there. We know 352 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.680 the story almost too well, but yeah, we'll leave that 353 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:17.240 to the second. 354 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:19.119 Is that as part of the problem we know we 355 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.119 do know the story a little too well, go a 356 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:22.160 little too attached to that one. 357 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:23.960 We'll have to talk about that. Bja one day, but 358 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.799 you said the name, you said Mel, and this took 359 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:32.599 shape because our mutual friend Ray was talking to you 360 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:34.559 about your memories growing up as a wrestling fan in 361 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:37.359 New York City as a kid in the seventies, and 362 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.119 you started telling him about this guy. I'll let you 363 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.079 tell a story. But who would you know, sort of 364 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:44.920 recruit kids, for lack of a better term, to come 365 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:48.160 to the matches. And you had no idea that this 366 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:53.200 is like something that's deeply embedded in like wrestling conversation 367 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:55.559 right now, So can you take us through that that 368 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:56.759 gentleman you mentioned. 369 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:01.440 Mel, Absolutely that you know when I say it's funny, 370 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:06.440 it's like sexual abuse and all of these things power 371 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:10.640 over people is not funny. But in our neighborhood, none 372 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:13.599 of us were attacked. We had a bunch of we're 373 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.359 all Catholics. We didn't get there was no priests that 374 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.880 were attacking us as a matter of fact of anything. 375 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.599 They were a little rough on us because that's how 376 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:23.359 they were taught. You know, they were taught in the 377 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:27.039 fifties and sixties when Latin and there was real respect 378 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:30.839 for the religion. And you know, we were always growing 379 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:34.079 up second and third generation Italian and Irish and Jewish. 380 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:37.599 We were always wise asses. So the priest never attacked us. 381 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.599 It was never like that, but we were aware of things. 382 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:44.240 There was one priest, this father Rodriguez, who was a 383 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.519 little friendly with all of us, you know. And I 384 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:50.799 will tell your audience if there's any gay kids out there, 385 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:52.559 just so you understand, I am not gay. But what 386 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.160 I'm about to say might sound a little strange. But 387 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:58.359 I was a tap dancer at an early age, from 388 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.759 like three to seven years old. And my mother in 389 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:03.720 the seventies, she had to explain to me that there 390 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.799 was going to be a lot of guys around that 391 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:10.559 like to kiss other guys, right, you know. And there 392 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:13.960 was a yeah, I'm going everything, and she said, look, 393 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.440 there's a very good friend on the circuit. Yeah, the 394 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:21.039 tap dancing circuit of New York City. I was on 395 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:24.920 town I was town Hall singing Annie, Annie gets your guns, 396 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:30.000 you know. But what happened was, you know, my mother 397 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.880 would tell me, look, you know, you know your buddy Freddie, right, 398 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:35.279 that's my good friend. I said, yes, of course, you know, 399 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:39.279 Freddie likes to kiss guys. And I said, ow. She 400 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:41.960 said to me, do you like my mother? Do you 401 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.839