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<v Speaker 1>In the early nineteen nineties, people began disappearing from the

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<v Speaker 1>small city of Nihi in northeastern China, often after passing

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<v Speaker 1>through its train station. At first, the cases seemed unrelated

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<v Speaker 1>runaways or migrant workers and travelers who simply never came home.

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<v Speaker 1>But as the months passed, the numbers grew and the

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<v Speaker 1>silence from authorities. Will it only deepen the fear? What

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<v Speaker 1>investigators would stumble into while shutting down a simple scam

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<v Speaker 1>would lead them to uncover something horrific. A dark pit

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<v Speaker 1>hiding dark secrets beyond the imagination, and it was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>beneath an ordinary house. This is a story of survival, manipulation,

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<v Speaker 1>death and decay. And I want to warn you this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most, if not the most graphic

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<v Speaker 1>stories we have ever covered on this podcast. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Giowenge, the Man with the Corpse Pit.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Ingram.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material intend more mature audience listener discretion.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if that's not going to get your attention, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what will.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't Yeah, it's certainly something that's uh gonna

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<v Speaker 1>bring it right to the forefront of your mind on

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit, what did I get myself into?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's I'm gonna need this.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, fair enough, That's what I was wanting to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure I do. Giving you a very big warning. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not necessarily a case that gets graphic into murder

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<v Speaker 1>per se, but it gets graphic into death and decay.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets very gross. Okay, Yeah, I needed to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure I put that out there today.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I was, if my stomach was feeling slightly

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<v Speaker 2>off before this, how's that going to to be for me?

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<v Speaker 1>We might need to take a break or two, then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe get you some pepto bismol or who knows what,

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<v Speaker 1>just some way to chill you out a bit, because well,

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<v Speaker 1>gosh dang. And this is actually a Patreon suggested case too.

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<v Speaker 1>This comes from our little case requested chat that we

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<v Speaker 1>got going on, and Katie Chastain suggested this one, and

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as I saw it, I was like, what

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Katy, Okay, she can't warn you.

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<v Speaker 1>Not really creepy case with a bit of a crazy twist,

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<v Speaker 1>that's about all she said. And would love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>a deep dive into it okay, right on, So I

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<v Speaker 1>gave it my best shot, Katie. Hopefully you enjoy what

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<v Speaker 1>I did. But before we actually keep moving on, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to thank our patrons who did sign up this

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<v Speaker 1>week over on Patreon, people who sign up just like

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<v Speaker 1>Katie did. We have Jonathan Frazen, Erica Lapham, Carla Stillwell,

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<v Speaker 1>Jenny Ubiyah. I think I got it right. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a little phonetic breakdown given to me for that one,

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you very much, Jenny, and I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>got your name right. Hopefully I did it justice. We

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<v Speaker 1>also have Haley Littlefair, Michelle Plank, and finally someone who

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<v Speaker 1>signed up not with a name, but they signed up

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<v Speaker 1>instead with a little bit of I don't know, do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to say insight or advice to everyone out there?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe just a quote they said, grow from the dirt

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<v Speaker 1>they left you in.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm. Okay, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's a shout out to them and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else who joined up on Patreon. They get the behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes extra episodes and all that good stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>comes out over there.

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<v Speaker 2>M hm, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel like most people just put their names,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's the odd person that has something a little creative.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get through. And I don't think it's ever happened

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<v Speaker 1>yet where someone has a pun that I read it

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<v Speaker 1>and it comes out with like, you know, Seymour butts

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Haven't had any of those yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm sure now that I put it out there,

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<v Speaker 1>it may happen sooner later.

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<v Speaker 2>But I digress, well, you might catch that. I would

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<v Speaker 2>be one of those people that would not catch that

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm just too gullible touche.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as long as it's not like offensive, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with it, and I'll probably just read it

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<v Speaker 1>because it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Sometimes those things are offensive and that's just

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<v Speaker 2>not okay. Rude yeah yeah, so and then it because

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<v Speaker 2>it makes the person saying it look like an ass

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<v Speaker 2>and they are just literally reading you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But anyways, we've had a lot of really good

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<v Speaker 1>Patreons who haven't made us do that, So I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>happy that we've got a good community of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love I love our Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just I don't know, it's a good place.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes me feel good going in there, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I did give Nicole a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>warning on this case. I didn't tell her much about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I read you like one or two cent

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<v Speaker 1>and says just in descriptions to give you a heads up,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot in regards to this. So I

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<v Speaker 1>warned you off off, Mike, and I'm warning you guys

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<v Speaker 1>now too. It is very graphic descriptions.

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<v Speaker 2>I just have to ask sometimes I'm wondering if that

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<v Speaker 2>is a warning to me or just you need to

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<v Speaker 2>needing to get something off your chest, because it's the

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<v Speaker 2>latter sometimes to me, because I don't really need the

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<v Speaker 2>warning per se, and I'm like, no, I'm good, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just listen to it live or whatever. But then no,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta tell you this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's there's a mix of that. There's sometimes I got

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<v Speaker 1>to get it off my chest. Sometimes it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote something so good and juicy, I just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so excited. I got to I gotta see what you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to say. You need a pat on the back

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<v Speaker 1>that too. So there's a variety of reasons. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think all that aside, we should get into the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, so, yeah, let's let's rip the band aid

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<v Speaker 2>off here, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the late nineteen eighties, the town of Nihi

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<v Speaker 1>in Heilongjang Province. I hope I got that right. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a Chinese case, so I'm going to do my

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<v Speaker 1>best for all the pronunciations which This province, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is in northern China, and it sits quietly near the

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<v Speaker 1>Russian border, surrounded by farmland, long empty highways and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Winters here well, they can be very harsh

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<v Speaker 1>and endless, while summers are short and crowded with agricultural work.

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<v Speaker 1>Life moved according to the seedents, planting, harvesting, and freight

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<v Speaker 1>trucks moving crops through town. Most residents worked on farmland,

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<v Speaker 1>They did food processing, or worked in small factories for potatoes, beets,

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<v Speaker 1>and grain that were the backstone of the local economy.

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<v Speaker 1>During peak season, the railway station became the busiest place

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<v Speaker 1>in town, filled with strangers passing through, and many were

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<v Speaker 1>carrying cash and planning to stay only briefly. Housing here

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<v Speaker 1>was modest and tightly packed. Many families lived in older

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<v Speaker 1>brick homes and underground vegetable root sellers were used quite often,

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<v Speaker 1>and to store some of this food through the winter.

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<v Speaker 1>These cellars were common and nearly ever household had one,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one saw them as anything more than a

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<v Speaker 1>practical necessity, because that's exactly what they were. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a farmland area where people grew and stored food and

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<v Speaker 1>kept it, and it was simple living. Now, social life

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<v Speaker 1>for many was limited to and their evenings were usually

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<v Speaker 1>spent at their home or with neighbors. News spread by

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<v Speaker 1>word of mouth, and personal problems were rarely shared outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the family. Reporting conflicts or abuse or disappearances to

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<v Speaker 1>authority was pretty uncommon, especially in working class neighborhoods. Local

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<v Speaker 1>police focused mostly on theft, small disputes in public order.

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<v Speaker 1>Serious violent crimes were pretty rare, and missing persons reports

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<v Speaker 1>were often even treated as temporary absences, since many people

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<v Speaker 1>left town for work without warning and returned weeks later.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the town looked like countless other rural communities in

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<v Speaker 1>northern China. It was quiet, hard working, and largely invisible

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<v Speaker 1>to the rest of the country. Nothing about it suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that within a few years it would become linked to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most disturbing criminal cases in the region's history.

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<v Speaker 1>And it all started on the afternoon of October twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one. Officers were conducting routine surveillance at Sushoe

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<v Speaker 1>Railway station as part of their broader provincial operation, which

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<v Speaker 1>was targeting theft, fraud, and extortion schemes. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the train station was among the busiest and most crime

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<v Speaker 1>prone public space in northern China. A lot of travelers

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<v Speaker 1>went through here every day, and many of them carrying

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of cash too, not to mention, they're unfamiliar

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<v Speaker 1>with the area and reluctant to report any minor crimes

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<v Speaker 1>that occurred. So pickpocketing and small scale robberies were pretty common,

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<v Speaker 1>and so were organized scams, particularly a scheme police referred

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<v Speaker 1>to as the Badger game, which was a form of

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<v Speaker 1>extortion that relied on a combination of both sexual entrapment

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<v Speaker 1>and intimidation. Officers assign to these patrols were trained to

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<v Speaker 1>watch very closely for any subtle behavior patterns, things like

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<v Speaker 1>mismatched companions, nervous body language and rehearsed sort of flirtation lines,

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<v Speaker 1>and people positioning themselves near conversations but yet not engaging.

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<v Speaker 1>On this afternoon, one police officer noticed a woman approaching

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<v Speaker 1>a lone male traveler near the platform. She was well dressed, confident,

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<v Speaker 1>and very direct with him. Within minutes, the two were

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<v Speaker 1>laughing and standing unusually close. Her manner was openly flirtatious,

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<v Speaker 1>and to trained officers this looked a lot like some solicitation.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what true The officer's attention further, though, was that

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<v Speaker 1>a short distance away were two men that were watching

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<v Speaker 1>the pair very closely. They didn't interact with them, but

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<v Speaker 1>they maintained constant visual contact. When the woman and the

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<v Speaker 1>traveler moved, the men adjusted their position, and when they stopped,

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<v Speaker 1>the men stopped. One of the men looked quite large

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<v Speaker 1>and physically strong, dressed in thick work clothes, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had a posture of someone who was used to manual labor.

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<v Speaker 1>The other man, however, was noticeably different. He was clean cut,

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<v Speaker 1>dressed nice, and well groomed. The officer watched for a

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<v Speaker 1>moment and quietly alerted his partner that he likely found

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<v Speaker 1>a badger game in progress. Now, these groups typically worked

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<v Speaker 1>in threes. A woman to lure in a target into

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<v Speaker 1>a private space. One man would then appear and pretend

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<v Speaker 1>to be angry, be the husband or the partner of

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<v Speaker 1>this woman. The second man would act as a mediator,

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<v Speaker 1>offering a resolution or resolve to the situation in exchange

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<v Speaker 1>for money. Just pay him off and like that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So the goal it wasn't exactly to end in any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of violence, but instead to use embarrassment or fear

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<v Speaker 1>to end up with the victim paying his way out

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<v Speaker 1>of the situation. So most victims in the scenario, they

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<v Speaker 1>do just that, they pay, they leave without reporting the

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<v Speaker 1>US whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm okay, I haven't heard anything like that before.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a unique scenario. It's something that's definitely clever

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about it, because it puts a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stress and embarrassment on the victim. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>a woman who's, you know, soliciting sex to him for money.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I was going to ask. So she's coming

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<v Speaker 2>across like she.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeh sex worker. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So they actually I talk about this here in a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but they predetermined a price. They're talking about price and

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<v Speaker 1>they agree, like, yes, sex for money, what's the price?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what these two are talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 1>In that is when the second guy is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my wife, Like what are you doing? And then

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, okay, miss it just paid, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of like going to police or escalating this, just

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<v Speaker 1>give him a couple hundred whatever and we move on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Because I was thinking, like, the victims not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>But then I guess it is probably illegal and they

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<v Speaker 2>could go to the cops, and yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So if he's soliciting sex, then that puts him in

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<v Speaker 1>a scenario where he doesn't want to contact authority, right, Okay, But.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the woman wouldn't also either, right, So I

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not about the woman. It's about putting pressure

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<v Speaker 1>in the victim because that woman is part of the team,

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<v Speaker 1>so she already.

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<v Speaker 2>Knows okay, interest, So now you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have three people against one person who the one person's

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<v Speaker 1>put in a generally bad situation, right, Yeah, just wants

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<v Speaker 1>on totally. So the officers watched this, and they watched

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<v Speaker 1>as this woman led the traveler away from the main

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<v Speaker 1>and the two men followed, but at a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a distance. Now, once inside the alley, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>the situation unfolded according to the pattern that officers already

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<v Speaker 1>close to the traveler, touching his arm and speaking softly,

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<v Speaker 1>and after a brief exchange, that's when the larger of

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<v Speaker 1>against the wall. And that's where things changed. The larger

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<v Speaker 1>molesting his wife and like, what are you doing, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my wife's sort of thing, like yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 1>the sudden confrontation, it catches the traveler off guard. And

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<v Speaker 1>now he tried to explain that the woman presented herself

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<v Speaker 1>as a sex worker and that the money had already

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<v Speaker 1>been discussed, right predetermined. But the explanation, of course, to

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<v Speaker 1>bigger guy, the large man, continued shouting threatening violence at

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<v Speaker 1>this individual. He even slapped the woman and accused her

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<v Speaker 1>of betraying him, building up this facade. Now. Moments later,

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<v Speaker 1>the second man then stepped in and he positioned himself

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<v Speaker 1>as the calmer presence. He claimed that the woman's he

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<v Speaker 1>was the woman's brother in law, and he suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>the conflict could be resolved just privately, right, like it's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we can just resolve this here. And he warned

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<v Speaker 1>that this guy, this big guy, had recently been released

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<v Speaker 1>from prison and was unstable, implying that, you know, any

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<v Speaker 1>further resistance could lead to some serious harm. So not

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<v Speaker 1>only can you not go to police, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't give us what we're after, you're likely going to

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<v Speaker 2>And they're also very much so aware that this person

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<v Speaker 2>has money, because they were just about to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>this act, right exactly, So now they're having to pay

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<v Speaker 2>the money, I guess without getting anything in return exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is all this psychological build up and pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's when this business man or whatever he says,

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred I'm probably gonna get this wrong, going to

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<v Speaker 1>try my best, you on, I think, is how you

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced the currency there, So three hundred dollars basically in

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese currency in exchange for resolving this confrontation. Pay up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we'll move on. It's all good. You

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<v Speaker 1>can go on. Everyone's happy now. The officers were watching this, remember,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were preparing to intervene. But before they could act, however,

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<v Speaker 1>this is when things went a little different than normally.

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<v Speaker 1>The victim reacted in a way that was unexpected. Instead

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<v Speaker 1>of simply complying like everyone how else generally does, he

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<v Speaker 1>actually challenged the men and suggested involving the police. Oh okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>now this response went against the group's typical routine. People

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<v Speaker 1>usually just pay up. They're not used to this. Uh huh,

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<v Speaker 1>So now off their usual script to act. The second man,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been acting as the mediator, the business guy,

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<v Speaker 1>He became visibly angry right away, and he struck the traveler,

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<v Speaker 1>and the larger men joined in. They jumped him there

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<v Speaker 1>on the spot, and it was no longer just a

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<v Speaker 1>stage confrontation. It had turned into a genuine assault. So

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<v Speaker 1>officers moved quickly and identified themselves, ordering everyone to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>All three suspects attempted to flee the scene as fast

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<v Speaker 1>as they could, running all in the same direction. However,

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<v Speaker 1>backup units had already been called and positioned nearby, so

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<v Speaker 1>they were intercepted within minutes and taken into custody. Without

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of further resistance. All three of these suspects

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<v Speaker 1>separate interrogation rooms. Immediately, officers began their routine inventory check

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<v Speaker 1>of the personal belongings that were on all three of them.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman's bag contained a modest amount of cash, cosmetics,

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<v Speaker 1>and personal items. The larger man's belongings were similarly unremarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the bag carried by the well dressed man, however,

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<v Speaker 1>that began to raise some questions. Inside, officers found a

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<v Speaker 1>large amount of cash, far more than would normally be

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<v Speaker 1>associated with, you know, just a low level street scam group.

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<v Speaker 1>They also discovered multiple identification documents that did not belong

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<v Speaker 1>to this individual. These included foreign issued IDs and traveler

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<v Speaker 1>papers that bear different names and photographs on them, none

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<v Speaker 1>of which matched the man in custody. Even more concerning

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<v Speaker 1>was a collection of pharmaceutical substances that he had. Some

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<v Speaker 1>were sedatives and others were drugs commonly used to induce unconsciousness,

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<v Speaker 1>made for incapacitating someone very quickly. Now they definitely weren't

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<v Speaker 1>recreational drugs. I need to clarify that. This immediately shifted

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<v Speaker 1>the tone of the investigation because people running these schemes

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<v Speaker 1>relied on intimidation, not on drugs, so this actually suggested

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<v Speaker 1>they were running something else, something a lot darker, involving,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, isolating victims and rendering them helpless. Even officers

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<v Speaker 1>quickly decided to contact regional databases to check the foreign

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<v Speaker 1>identification documents that they had, and the results were unsettling.

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<v Speaker 1>Several of the names they found on these IDs were

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<v Speaker 1>associated with missing persons reports. In some cases, the individuals

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<v Speaker 1>had been reported missing months earlier after traveling through northern China,

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<v Speaker 1>and none of them had been located whatsoever. They've not

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<v Speaker 1>been found. So these are all ideas associated with missing people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's pretty alarming.

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<v Speaker 1>Fine, there it is now. The two men were the

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<v Speaker 1>first to be questioned. The larger man, who had acted

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<v Speaker 1>as the muscle you know in the alleyway conferdence. He

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<v Speaker 1>remained mostly silent. He answered basic identity questions but didn't

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<v Speaker 1>offer much else. When it came to the well dressed businessman, though,

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<v Speaker 1>he spoke calmly and very confidently, presenting himself as someone

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<v Speaker 1>who just made a poor choice. He admitted to participating

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<v Speaker 1>in this extortion scheme. But he denied any violence, saying

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<v Speaker 1>the group was just harmless scammers and playing down the

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<v Speaker 1>role of it. But neither Man's accounts explained the sedatives

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<v Speaker 1>or the missing person's connections with the IDs and their possession.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just have to say, that's kind of funny

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<v Speaker 2>because now he's like, yeah, I just want to be

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<v Speaker 2>like part of a little minor scam and not open

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<v Speaker 2>this like big can of worms that they discovered in

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<v Speaker 2>his bag. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators then turned their attention to the woman to see

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<v Speaker 1>what she would say, and from the very beginning her

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<v Speaker 1>demeanor was well, it was different than the other two.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike them, she appeared anxious rather than defiant, and she

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<v Speaker 1>avoided eye contact and often hesitated before answering even simple questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Initially approached her very gently, they figured that maybe she was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a minor participant or possibly even being exploited

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<v Speaker 1>by the other two, and after several hours of questioning,

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<v Speaker 1>her answers to questions grew shorter, her hands began to

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<v Speaker 1>tremble even more, and at one point, well she started

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<v Speaker 1>to ask some questions of her own. First, she asked,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, can she get some feminine hygiene products? And

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<v Speaker 1>some other things like that, and she's trying to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to investigators, and eventually she told them, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the director of homicide. This statement alone made

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<v Speaker 1>the hair on the back of the investigator's next stand up.

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<v Speaker 1>On end. It suggested that she believed her information, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it was, involved deaths, not just financial crimes. Investigators immediately

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<v Speaker 1>paused the interview and contacted their superiors. When questioning resumed

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<v Speaker 1>with the senior officers, the woman told them that the

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<v Speaker 1>two men that were with her not just scammers. She

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<v Speaker 1>said they were connected to multiple different murders. According to her,

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of people had been killed and buried beneath the

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<v Speaker 1>house in Nihe. She claimed the bodies were hidden in

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<v Speaker 1>pits beneath the kitchen floor. Now, at first, officers struggled

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<v Speaker 1>to understand what she was even saying her story sounded

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<v Speaker 1>so extreme, even implausible. Mass murder on the scale that

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<v Speaker 1>she was talking about was almost unheard of in the region,

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<v Speaker 1>and sensing officers hesitation, she tried to explain her urgency

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<v Speaker 1>in a flat, resigned tone, even as if she's already

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<v Speaker 1>accepting her fate. She knows what's going to come of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's still blatantly needing to get it out. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>If you listen to me, you will be a hero.

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<v Speaker 1>You will save people, but I will be executed. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>It sure's not taking very much for her to come

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<v Speaker 2>about all this, though, hey and share her story. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess she just realized she's fucked. It's going to come

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<v Speaker 2>out anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe, but it's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised that she's just like ooh right away. But

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<v Speaker 2>maybe she also needs to get off her chest.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, or maybe there's more to it that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Touche. We we're very new into this, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Dunt dun duh. Okay, I'm going to continue now. As

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<v Speaker 1>she went on, she wasn't vague but very specific in

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<v Speaker 1>her detailing. Investigators took very careful notes and asked her

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<v Speaker 1>to repeat all these details, and each time her account

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<v Speaker 1>remained consistent, it didn't change when they asked her to

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<v Speaker 1>repeat it. At this stage, police could not confirm whether

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<v Speaker 1>she was telling the truth or not, but they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>dismiss her either, So after the statement was formally recorded,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators faced an immediate problem. Her account pointed to a

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<v Speaker 1>mass scale murderer. Operation in Nihi, but there was no

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<v Speaker 1>active case on record that matched what she was describing.

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<v Speaker 1>So before committing to you know, spending resources such a

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<v Speaker 1>serious allegation, they needed to confirm with the local authorities first.

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<v Speaker 1>So an officer contacted the Kniehe City Police Security Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>and provided the details, the suspect's name, the alleged address,

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<v Speaker 1>and the claim of these multiple bodies in a residential house. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this responding officer in Nihi reported that they had no

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<v Speaker 1>major homicide investigation open and that there were no registered

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<v Speaker 1>cases involving dozens of missing persons connected to a single address. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this directly contradicted what investigators in Suso had been seeing

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<v Speaker 1>for months. Missing persons reports had been circulating informally, and

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<v Speaker 1>rumors about people vanishing in Nihei had spread beyond the region,

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<v Speaker 1>and business travelers had begun to even avoid the area

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<v Speaker 1>almost entirely. Nihei had a reputation of if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to disappear, that's where you go. Yet none of this

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<v Speaker 1>had translated into a coordinated criminal case. This disconnect highlighted

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<v Speaker 1>a very major weakness in the system at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, in the early nineteen nineties, information sharing between

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<v Speaker 1>local police departments in China was extremely limited. Records were

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<v Speaker 1>kept on paper, databases were fragmented, and cases were not

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<v Speaker 1>formally classified as major crimes and often remained isolated within

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<v Speaker 1>local offices instead. So if reports were dismissed early on

419
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<v Speaker 1>or never escalated, they effectively disappeared from the system. Now

420
00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>in Nihe, many early disappearances had involved transient workers, sex workers,

421
00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:31.359
<v Speaker 1>and visiting merchants, and these cases were often treated, as

422
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:35.559
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned earlier, voluntary departures rather than potential crimes and

423
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:36.759
<v Speaker 1>missing persons cases.

424
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so are they thinking that you kind of go

425
00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:43.720
<v Speaker 2>about this area just to kind of start a new

426
00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:45.480
<v Speaker 2>life and you just disappear.

427
00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, it started off with people going to the area

428
00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:52.079
<v Speaker 1>for work essentially, okay, and then it also started to

429
00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:54.880
<v Speaker 1>turn into something where well, people going into the area

430
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:59.319
<v Speaker 1>looking for work never came back. But a lot of

431
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.640
<v Speaker 1>these cases are not actually being reported missing, and even

432
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:05.279
<v Speaker 1>the ones that are reported missing are not being communicated

433
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:09.359
<v Speaker 1>within departments. So one department might know of two missings

434
00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:12.519
<v Speaker 1>persons cases, another one knows of one, and really there's

435
00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:13.599
<v Speaker 1>already a dozen out.

436
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:17.240
<v Speaker 2>There, Okay, I mean it's kind of you can see

437
00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:18.920
<v Speaker 2>how that happens quite easily.

438
00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:21.680
<v Speaker 1>For sure. So when they're on the phone here talking

439
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:24.359
<v Speaker 1>to these authorities in the area and NIH, they're like, oh, yeah,

440
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.319
<v Speaker 1>we have a report of a mass freaking murderer hiding

441
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:29.720
<v Speaker 1>bodies in a house. The other people are like, what

442
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.279
<v Speaker 1>do we only have like two missing persons reports? How

443
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.079
<v Speaker 1>do you mean a mass amount of bodies?

444
00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so it almost seems unbelievable exactly.

445
00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.640
<v Speaker 1>So as a result, the SOHO team to them this

446
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.519
<v Speaker 1>was all alarming. The woman in custody had described physical details.

447
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>She knew the house layout, she knew the seller in

448
00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:49.559
<v Speaker 1>the home where it was, and she knew about its

449
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>concrete cover. Yet according to official records, none of it existed.

450
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.920
<v Speaker 1>So this left the investigators in a very difficult position.

451
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:02.160
<v Speaker 1>If they dismissed her claims and release the suspects, well,

452
00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 1>they risked ignoring a very possible mass murderer case. If

453
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:09.599
<v Speaker 1>they pursued it without any sort of confirmation, they risked

454
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:15.319
<v Speaker 1>overstepping jurisdiction and wasting resources. So after internal discussion, they

455
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.279
<v Speaker 1>had their decision they wouldn't let this go and that

456
00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:20.799
<v Speaker 1>they would instead move forward.

457
00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank goodness. If there was any other conclusion I

458
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:26.799
<v Speaker 2>was going to be like, what the fuck?

459
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they decided that the only way to resolve

460
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:33.960
<v Speaker 1>this was to verify her story for themselves. If the

461
00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.880
<v Speaker 1>house existed and matched her description, they would have grounds

462
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.359
<v Speaker 1>to escalate the case, and if it didn't, then the

463
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>matter could be closed. So the woman was asked once

464
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:45.319
<v Speaker 1>more to repeat the address and the directions to the home,

465
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:49.240
<v Speaker 1>and she did so without any sort of hesitation. So

466
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 1>within hours plans are being made to send investigators to NIHI.

467
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:57.680
<v Speaker 1>While preparations were being made to verify these claims, investigators

468
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.559
<v Speaker 1>continued questioning the two men who'd been arrested with as well.

469
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:03.759
<v Speaker 1>They were kept in separate rooms, still questioned by different

470
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.319
<v Speaker 1>officers and prevented from communicating with one another, and for

471
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 1>several hours, neither gave investigators anything useful. But that changed

472
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:16.440
<v Speaker 1>when officers began confronting the bigger man with specific details

473
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>from the woman's statements. You see, instead of asking broader questions,

474
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 1>they focused on physical facts. They asked about the house,

475
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:30.279
<v Speaker 1>about the kitchen, about the pit beneath the floor. Investigators

476
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:34.759
<v Speaker 1>noticed a shift immediately in him where his answers became slower,

477
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and he started asking what the woman had said. They

478
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:41.960
<v Speaker 1>told him that the woman had already provided a full account,

479
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and they suggested that the leader was blaming him. The

480
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>leader being the businessman, they kind of framed him in

481
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>that position. They implied that he would carry the worst

482
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 1>legal consequences if he stayed silent, and they made it

483
00:26:55.839 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>clear that cooperation was this guy's only realistic one.

484
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Damn that's good.

485
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>So gradually his resistance weakened and the man began admitting

486
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.559
<v Speaker 1>limited involvement, but he stopped short of confessing of murder.

487
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:16.799
<v Speaker 1>He admits to helping transport victims and as well to

488
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>disposing of remains. Up until this moment, investigators were relying

489
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.759
<v Speaker 1>entirely on the woman's testimony about all of this, and

490
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>now the independent suspect was confirming what she said. His

491
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>description matched hers. It seemed like there was in fact

492
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>a potential seller and a burial site. After all, officers

493
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 1>at the Sioux's host station contacted their immediate supervisors and

494
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>reported that they now had two suspects independently describing a

495
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 1>concealed burial site beneath the residence in Nihe. The information

496
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 1>was forwarded to provincial authorities and to the local public

497
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:57.160
<v Speaker 1>security bureau responsible for Kniehe. Within hours, a temporary task

498
00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>force was assembled to coordinate the response and a identify

499
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the target house, and they did so. It was a

500
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>small rented property in a residential neighborhood. The convoy reached

501
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Niehe later that morning, and the neighborhood streets were narrow

502
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>and quiet, lined with small brick homes and simple courtyard fences.

503
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Most residents were already awake, going about their regular everyday routines.

504
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>The house in question was a single story brick structure

505
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 1>with a small yard and a metal gate in front.

506
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>The exterior showed signs of neglect, with paint peeling in

507
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.839
<v Speaker 1>places and sections of brickworks stained, and weeds that had

508
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.440
<v Speaker 1>grown along the fence line. However, it did not appear

509
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:39.759
<v Speaker 1>to be abandoned. When officers stepped out of their vehicle,

510
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:44.559
<v Speaker 1>several neighbors began watching from a distance. Commanders instructed residents

511
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to remain inside and cordoned off the immediate area. As

512
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.519
<v Speaker 1>officers began to approach the front door, another detail became noticeable.

513
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:58.119
<v Speaker 1>There was a faint but very persistent odor hanging in

514
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>the air. It was difficult to define. It didn't resemble

515
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>ordinary garbage or spoiled food, and some officers described it

516
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 1>as sour, metallic and very heavy. Neighbors reportedly previously complained

517
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.119
<v Speaker 1>about the odors from the property, but often attributed it

518
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 1>to pickling vegetables or just food storage. Things like that.

519
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, I would just be hoping that I was on

520
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 2>a holiday. We're not having to deal with this shit,

521
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:26.559
<v Speaker 2>because this is already a lot.

522
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I gave you a good warning at the very beginning

523
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 1>for a good reason, h okay. With authorization from supervisors,

524
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>police forced entry into locked home through the front door.

525
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Inside the house, it was dim and sparsely furnished. There

526
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.319
<v Speaker 1>was little decoration and almost no sign of any ordinary

527
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:49.079
<v Speaker 1>domestic life. The living area contained only basic furniture, and

528
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>much of it was torn or damaged. The floors were

529
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>stained red in places, and there were signs of poor maintenance.

530
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 1>As teams moved through room to room, the smell that

531
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:03.519
<v Speaker 1>they smelled outside only intensified, and it was strongest in

532
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen. Now, this kitchen itself was small, with the

533
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 1>concrete floor and simple counters. There were pots and storage

534
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 1>containers and sacks of grain, and then there was a

535
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.519
<v Speaker 1>rectangular concrete slab that had been fitted into the center

536
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>of the floor. It was roughly two by three feet

537
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.279
<v Speaker 1>in size. The edges were uneven, and the surface looked

538
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>newer than the rest of the room. Investigators gathered around it.

539
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 1>The suspects had mentioned that this pit was beneath the

540
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>kitchen floor, something that was in fact typical for many homes.

541
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>There was a root seller right that was normal, but

542
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:43.119
<v Speaker 1>this one it seemed to be different. Forensic staff were

543
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>called in before anyone touched it. With the report of

544
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the bodies hidden beneath that slab, they wanted to be careful.

545
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>They wanted to document everything, so photographs were taken, measurements

546
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.839
<v Speaker 1>were recorded, and the area was marked off and secured.

547
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Officers even checked for traps or hidden mechanisms just in case,

548
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>but they found none. Eventually, using crowbars and heavy tools,

549
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.119
<v Speaker 1>the team began prying at the edge of the concrete slab.

550
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>As the tools began to wedge between the crack and

551
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>lift it, a strong wave of the foul odour rose

552
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>from beneath it, spilling into the room. Several officers instinctively

553
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.119
<v Speaker 1>stepped back to fend off the foul odor and ease

554
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>their stomach. Soon investigators removed the slab covering the kitchen

555
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>floor entirely, and they were able to see directly into

556
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>the space beneath the house. Below was a narrow, vertical

557
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>pit roughly nine feet deep, reinforced by compacted soil and concrete.

558
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>The smell was immediately overwhelming. Several officers reported feeling light

559
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 1>headed and nauseous within seconds of approaching the opening. Forensic

560
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>personnel were forced to wear additional protective equipment before they

561
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>could even continue. The confined space beneath the floor had

562
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:02.079
<v Speaker 1>trapped gases produced by deep composition, creating an environment that

563
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 1>was difficult to tolerate even for experienced investigators, and when

564
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:11.279
<v Speaker 1>flashlights were lowered into the pit to take a look,

565
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>the scale of what was inside finally became clear. There

566
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>below the floor were dozens of human remains stacked in

567
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>layers compressed by time and by repeated use of the space.

568
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>This root cellar. This pit was supposed to be a

569
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>cold storage, but the sheer volume of bodies inside, decomposing

570
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 1>over long periods of time increased the temperature inside the whole,

571
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and now it was sweltering with decay and rot. Some

572
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>bodies had even decomposed to the point of partial skeletonization,

573
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>while others still remained with their tissue, and some newer

574
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:58.079
<v Speaker 1>ones even remained with bloating. Fluids were leaking from the

575
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.279
<v Speaker 1>decomposition process of the human body, and it had pooled

576
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.359
<v Speaker 1>to the bottom of the pit too. Coated bones, clothing,

577
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:10.079
<v Speaker 1>and personal belongings all were left in this foul, putrid sludge.

578
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 1>In many areas, individual bodies began to merge and meld

579
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>together due to such serious decomposition, making it difficult to

580
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>distinguish one victim from another. Several skulls showed fractures consistent

581
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.759
<v Speaker 1>with blunt force trauma to the head. The positioning and

582
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>condition of the bodies indicated that this pit had been

583
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>used repeatedly, over and over for an extended period of time,

584
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>with bodies simply being dumped on top of each other

585
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.599
<v Speaker 1>left to rotten this hole no matter how much time

586
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:45.559
<v Speaker 1>had passed between each of the murders. This was a

587
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 1>long term disposal site and it was nearly full.

588
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 2>What the actual shit is this?

589
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.039
<v Speaker 1>This is fucked up? Is what this is?

590
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 2>These poor souls that have to go dealing with this,

591
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Like I I don't I think I would quit my job.

592
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't blame you for that.

593
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 2>This sounds horrible. I know, I should ever have to

594
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 2>deal with something like this, let alone. There should not

595
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.360
<v Speaker 2>even be something like this in the world.

596
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>What the h I know now. Investigators also noticed signs

597
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>the pit had been managed carefully, as bodies had been

598
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.400
<v Speaker 1>arranged and arranged to conserved space. So they're dumping them

599
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>in there, but they're also kind of like pushing them

600
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>aside and trying to make room for more.

601
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 2>They're like techasing these dead bodies in a sense.

602
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Household debris and organic waste had also been mixed

603
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 1>into this pit too, like a composts. They're dumping garbage

604
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.519
<v Speaker 1>in there, likely in an attempt to reduce the odor

605
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 1>or slow decomposition. It's not really clear, Okay, I.

606
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Actually can't even imagine that something like this exists with

607
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and people like being able to live in this house

608
00:34:56.119 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>or have neighbors, you know, without this being a serious problem.

609
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 1>The smell, well, it was beginning to be a problem,

610
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:06.599
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's why they were throwing the garbage

611
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>in there or different things products and chemicals to try

612
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know, cover that smell up. But clearly it

613
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>was you could smell it outside the house, so people

614
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>knew it was there, not necessarily the bodies, but they

615
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 1>knew the smell was there. Signs were starting to show.

616
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't have gotten away with this for much longer, clearly.

617
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and these poor victims, this is their final resting place.

618
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, not necessarily.

619
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Well for the time, I guess. Yeah.

620
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Now, while forensic teams continued documenting the pit, officers searched

621
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.239
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the house, and in another section of

622
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen floor, they discovered a second opening. This pit

623
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.320
<v Speaker 1>was similar in design, but slightly shallower and appeared to

624
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>have been dug later. It too contained multiple bodies arranged

625
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.519
<v Speaker 1>in layers, decomposing in a mound of rotten flesh. Since

626
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 1>the other one was nearly full, this one was dug

627
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>for more room.

628
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 2>So there's two. There's two. Their problem solving is just

629
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<v Speaker 2>let's make another one.

630
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now. The house was immediately quarantined and sealed off.

631
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 1>A security perimeter was established and log entries were created

632
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.639
<v Speaker 1>just for access and egress. Photographers and forensic teams documented

633
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 1>every single detail before any remains were removed. Now, although

634
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>police did not release details about all of this publicly

635
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.440
<v Speaker 1>at the time, news of the discovery spread quickly through

636
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the community. Residents soon realized that beneath an ordinary kitchen

637
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 1>floor in their neighborhood was a nightmare. Investigators had uncovered

638
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>one of the largest concealed burial sites that region had

639
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>ever seen, and now, given the depths and narrowness of

640
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>this pits, well, standard excavation equipment wasn't going to be

641
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 1>able to be used to remove the bodies either, which

642
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>meant all of the remains inside the pits had to

643
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.280
<v Speaker 1>be removed manually.

644
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, that is just a fricking nightmare right there.

645
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 1>So teams worked in rotating shifts to prevent exhaustion and

646
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:10.519
<v Speaker 1>reduce prolonged exposure to toxic gases from the decomposition. And

647
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>because the pits were only wide enough for one person

648
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>to enter at a time, recovery work was slow and

649
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.159
<v Speaker 1>physically demanding.

650
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't imagine being down in that pit.

651
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Investigators descended into those shafts, wearing protective suits and respirators,

652
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:29.679
<v Speaker 1>carefully separating remains without causing additional damage or at least

653
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:34.920
<v Speaker 1>as much as possible. Conditions inside these pits were extreme,

654
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 1>to say the least. The air was thick and hot,

655
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>with decomposing gases. Visibility was limited, and in some areas,

656
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>bodies and fluids had formed dense layers that made movement

657
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.920
<v Speaker 1>extremely difficult. Tools frequently slipped out of their hands, they

658
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.400
<v Speaker 1>were dripping with sweat inside their suits, and workers had

659
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.840
<v Speaker 1>to maintain balance while handling fragile remains in a confined

660
00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>space rightfully, so, several team members experienced dizziness, nausea, and

661
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 1>respiratory distress during their shifts. At times, some even became

662
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.599
<v Speaker 1>disoriented and even lost consciousness while working, and their colleagues

663
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:14.519
<v Speaker 1>had to pull them from the shaft and transport them

664
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:20.360
<v Speaker 1>to hospital for treatment. Medical staff later reported that high

665
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>exposure of high concentrations of decomposing organic matter had caused

666
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:28.760
<v Speaker 1>serious respiratory and systemic reactions to those who did not

667
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:29.880
<v Speaker 1>get treatment.

668
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh so, like you were in this pit and you

669
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 2>like pass out, Yeah, and you're falling onto things. Yeah,

670
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>oh okay, like this it's too much. This is just

671
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>this is something I just never needed to hear.

672
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I warned you several times.

673
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, I can't get this visual out of my head.

674
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I know. Now. Many team members had worked homicide scenes before,

675
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:01.199
<v Speaker 1>and they've seen some horrendous things. But none had encountered

676
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>anything on this scale. The volume of remains, the prolonged

677
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>recovery period, and the sheer number of decayed human beings

678
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>was extreme. And now because of these extreme conditions of

679
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the bodies, authorities decided to conduct preliminary examinations on site

680
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.800
<v Speaker 1>rather than transporting all remains to distant facilities. So temporary

681
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.760
<v Speaker 1>shelter was erected in the yard where forensic teams could

682
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>conduct initial assessments to control conditions. This whole recovery process

683
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:37.480
<v Speaker 1>lasted several weeks. Each body or fragment of body was cataloged, photographed,

684
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.519
<v Speaker 1>assigned an identification number before it was even removed from

685
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:45.199
<v Speaker 1>the pit. Clothings, personal items they were preserved separately. In total,

686
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>dozens of bags contained remains were transported for further examination

687
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.360
<v Speaker 1>once initial documentation was even completed. By the time the

688
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>last remains were finally removed, many members of the investigation

689
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>team were physically depleted. Several required extended medical leave, while

690
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>others continued work despite chronic symptoms.

691
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't even imagine, because some of those bodies too,

692
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.679
<v Speaker 2>as you're lifting or trying to recover them, they would

693
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.320
<v Speaker 2>be just falling apart. They would be, and like, wouldn't

694
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:21.159
<v Speaker 2>there probably be, I don't know, bugs and stuff in there.

695
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:27.639
<v Speaker 1>There definitely was. Yeah, don't get me wrong, there's I

696
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.119
<v Speaker 1>go through some more descriptions on it a little bit later,

697
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.639
<v Speaker 1>and you'll understand why I kind of redescribe it, because

698
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>there's more to it than what we already know. Okay,

699
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.480
<v Speaker 1>but for now, for now, with the recovery operation complete,

700
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>investigators face their next major challenge determining who the victims were. Now.

701
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.159
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety one, forensic identification and rural China relied

702
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 1>heavily on physical records, personal belongings, and even family reports.

703
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>DNA profiling was not exactly available or for routine use

704
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>at least, and many other remains had been severely damaged

705
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>by the decomposition process and the environmental exposure too, so

706
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 1>in several cases only partial skeletal remains or dismembered limbs

707
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>were even recovered. Facial features were often unrecognizable, and fingerprints

708
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 1>couldn't even be taken. This limited investigator's ability to use

709
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 1>visual identification or standard biometric methods, so forensic teams began

710
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>cataloging every item that they recovered from the pits. Clothing, fragments, shoes, jewelry, watches,

711
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and personal accessories were photographed and logged. These items were

712
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.800
<v Speaker 1>then circulated to police departments across the region, along with

713
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 1>descriptions of estimated age, height, and distinguishing physical traits wherever possible.

714
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Authorities also reviewed missing persons reports that were filed and

715
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.320
<v Speaker 1>all around the area and in neighboring provinces too. For over

716
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:53.280
<v Speaker 1>the last two years. Even many victims had been migrant workers,

717
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>traveling traders, sex workers, all groups of people who disappeared

718
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.679
<v Speaker 1>and were often reported late or not not even at all,

719
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 1>And in many cases, families had assumed their relatives simply

720
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>moved on for work, like we talked about earlier, but

721
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:10.039
<v Speaker 1>that was clearly not the case. Investigators cross reference the

722
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 1>recovered identification cards and personal documents with regional databases too,

723
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>But despite all of these efforts, full identification proved impossible.

724
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:24.800
<v Speaker 1>In many cases, according to official figures, only slightly more

725
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>than half of the victims could be positively identified as

726
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:34.039
<v Speaker 1>the victim identification began, though, investigators also started focusing on

727
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 1>the house itself. Land records showed that the property was

728
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.039
<v Speaker 1>not owned by any of the suspects who had already

729
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:43.599
<v Speaker 1>been in custody from that train station. It was, however,

730
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 1>leased under the name of Gia Wengey, the man the

731
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Speaker 1>police now believed to be the leader of the group.

732
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.519
<v Speaker 1>The guy and the business attire. Neighbors described the home

733
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:58.280
<v Speaker 1>as poorly maintained and that he gioenge kept to himself.

734
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Police all learned that Gia had lived in the house

735
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.639
<v Speaker 1>with multiple associates over the time. At different points, witnesses

736
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 1>recalled seeing couples staying there, followed by several men who

737
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:12.639
<v Speaker 1>appeared to come and go irregularly. Now inside the house,

738
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>investigators documented signs of blood residue that was found in

739
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.480
<v Speaker 1>several rooms, partially near the bedroom, and even the kitchen

740
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 1>well of course the kitchen. Financial records and rental agreements

741
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>showed that Gia paid rent regularly and in cash. Landlords

742
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 1>reported no miss payments and no major disputes, which reduced

743
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 1>any sort of scrutiny. Right, why keep this guy under

744
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:37.880
<v Speaker 1>a microscope A He's a prime tenant to have. Police

745
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 1>also recovered several documents, notebooks, and contact lists belonging to Gia.

746
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 1>These materials suggested that he had been recruiting many people

747
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>from outside the town and coordinating activities across multiple locations,

748
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>so phone numbers and traveling notes linked him to nearby cities,

749
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:58.480
<v Speaker 1>railway hubs, and including the Shozo station. By this stage,

750
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.800
<v Speaker 1>investigators were confident that the house had served as the

751
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>operational center for this group's criminal activity. It was where

752
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.760
<v Speaker 1>victims were brought, where they were restrained, robbed, killed, and

753
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.760
<v Speaker 1>then hidden belief beneath the floor. So with this foundation established,

754
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 1>police turned their attention directly to gionge himself, seeking to

755
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 1>understand how someone with no prior serious criminal record had

756
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 1>become capable of orchestrating such violence. Now, Gea was described

757
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:30.159
<v Speaker 1>in school records as intelligent and capable. As a child

758
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 1>and teenager, He performed well academically and held leadership positions

759
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>in both primary and middle school. His parents reportedly had

760
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 1>high expectations for him, and his name itself well it

761
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 1>reflected those hopes. Teachers remembered him as serious, reserved, but

762
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>not violent or disruptive during his early years at all.

763
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Now that changed, however, after both of his parents died,

764
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:58.360
<v Speaker 1>including his mother's suicide, which Gia reportedly witnessed. Even after

765
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>this loss, people noticed very sharp shift in his behavior.

766
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:07.679
<v Speaker 1>He became withdrawn, angry, and very unpredictable. Neighbors were called

767
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:12.239
<v Speaker 1>frequent outbursts and verbal abuse, and even property damage. But

768
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.679
<v Speaker 1>despite those problems, Gia secured work at a local factory

769
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.199
<v Speaker 1>while still quite young. Coworker said he was charming when

770
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.400
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to be, and was considered physically attractive, which

771
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:26.840
<v Speaker 1>helped him socially in some settings. Female employees even reportedly

772
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:31.119
<v Speaker 1>referred to him as the melancholy Prince, reflecting his mix

773
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:36.280
<v Speaker 1>of good looks and emotional detachment. During this period, Gea

774
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.639
<v Speaker 1>would meet you Mei, the adopted daughter of one of

775
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>his supervisors. Their relationship, you know, in the workplace and

776
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.639
<v Speaker 1>everything was a little bit controversial within the factory management

777
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:49.920
<v Speaker 1>opposed their eventual marriage. And after it did take place,

778
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.760
<v Speaker 1>when they got married and Gea was, you know, now

779
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:54.920
<v Speaker 1>happy with a job and trying to move on with

780
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.599
<v Speaker 1>his life, well that's when he was fired from his job.

781
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Now without state employment and carrying growing resentment, he began

782
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:08.239
<v Speaker 1>drifting between short term work and increasingly risky behavior. He

783
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:12.679
<v Speaker 1>later worked as a butcher, slaughtering livestock. While this was

784
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>common work in the region, neighbors noticed that Gia often

785
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.079
<v Speaker 1>returned home from work covered in blood and made very

786
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 1>little effort to clean himself.

787
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's gross.

788
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.559
<v Speaker 1>During these years, Gia developed severe financial problems. He spent

789
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.440
<v Speaker 1>much of his income on gambling and sex workers, and

790
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.159
<v Speaker 1>frequently exhausted his earnings within days of receiving his paycheck.

791
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Now to compensate, he began stealing, sometimes even with the

792
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.760
<v Speaker 1>help of his new mistress. Together they committed small burglaries

793
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.239
<v Speaker 1>and theft in nearby communities, accumulating stolen goods that were

794
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.800
<v Speaker 1>difficult to resell. His marriage deteriorated under this pressure, and

795
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.039
<v Speaker 1>his wife eventually filed for divorce. By the time Gia

796
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.599
<v Speaker 1>rented the house in Knihe, he was already financially unstable

797
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 1>and engaged in a lot of criminal behavior. However, shortly

798
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:07.760
<v Speaker 1>after ga began presenting himself as a small business owner

799
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:12.039
<v Speaker 1>with plans to open a candy factory. He obtained some

800
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.480
<v Speaker 1>basic paperwork stuff that allowed him to appear legitimate, and

801
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 1>with this he introduced himself as a company director or CEO,

802
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:23.360
<v Speaker 1>looking for employees, giving him a story just credible enough

803
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 1>to avoid any sort of suspicion. He focused his recruitment

804
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:31.199
<v Speaker 1>efforts at railway stations, where large number of travelers and

805
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:35.239
<v Speaker 1>workers and job seekers passed through every day. Many people

806
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>at the station were unfamiliar with the area, They are

807
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 1>short on money and what they did have they were

808
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 1>carrying on them, and they're actively searching for work. Gea

809
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:48.400
<v Speaker 1>targeted individuals who appeared vulnerable in these spaces, especially young

810
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:52.119
<v Speaker 1>women and travelers carrying luggage with them. He would strike

811
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:56.000
<v Speaker 1>up casual conversations, ask where someone was headed, and gradually

812
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>steered the direction of Hey, you're looking for work.

813
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay. I was wondering how he was going about getting

814
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>these victims.

815
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was offering positions, basically promising like steady wages

816
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:09.360
<v Speaker 1>and easy work along with it.

817
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, who wouldn't want to work in a freaking

818
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:12.719
<v Speaker 2>candy factory?

819
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly. So, once a potential victim showed interest in

820
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 1>these jobs or the work, Gia invited them to his

821
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.920
<v Speaker 1>rented house to discuss details or sign paperwork under any

822
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:26.079
<v Speaker 1>sort of ruse he could, you know, something too, like hey,

823
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.280
<v Speaker 1>come on over, we'll go through this and rest before

824
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 1>you start working. Even so early on, Gia primarily used

825
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>this strategy to commit the robberies. He would bring people

826
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.679
<v Speaker 1>to the home, intimidate or assault them while they're there,

827
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 1>take their money in valuables, and then force them out

828
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the door. And because many victims were travelers or temporary workers,

829
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>few reported the incidents, and even those who did often

830
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:50.440
<v Speaker 1>lacked precise information about location or suspect they don't know

831
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 1>the area. Can they remember the street or the house

832
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 1>or where it was, things like that. Now, over time,

833
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 1>Gia realized that this method didn't actually pay all that much.

834
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:03.360
<v Speaker 1>In the end, many of the people that he victimized

835
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>carried carried cash, but not all that much. And he

836
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.920
<v Speaker 1>repeated all these repeated robberies, well, they increased the risk

837
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.360
<v Speaker 1>of attention. The more you do it, hey, the more

838
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.199
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to be under scrutiny. So as his

839
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.519
<v Speaker 1>debts and spending continued, he began seeking wealthier targets, businessmen

840
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 1>traveling for agricultural products and stuff, people that would have

841
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:27.039
<v Speaker 1>more money on them me. He was that regional center

842
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.599
<v Speaker 1>for potatoes, beats and all that sort of farm trading,

843
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:33.320
<v Speaker 1>which attracted buyers from over other areas, and these visitors

844
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>often arrived with much larger amounts of cash, and Gea

845
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 1>adapted his story to fit for them, offering business connections,

846
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.960
<v Speaker 1>introducing them to different and new suppliers or shared meals

847
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.239
<v Speaker 1>to discuss different deals, and it was this shift that

848
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>marked the beginning of his transition from robbery into murder.

849
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 1>According to Gia's later confessions, his first murder happened after

850
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:03.039
<v Speaker 1>he had already been emitting robberies for quite some time. Eventually,

851
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 1>he began to see violence not just as a tool

852
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 1>for intimidation, but as a way to eliminate resistance entirely.

853
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:13.599
<v Speaker 1>One of the earliest documented killings involved a father and

854
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:17.639
<v Speaker 1>son who traveled to Nihi to sell grain. Gea approached

855
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 1>them under the pretense of helping them find wholesalers. He

856
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.880
<v Speaker 1>invited them to his house, offered food and drink, and

857
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:28.119
<v Speaker 1>encouraged them to relax while discussing business. After the meal,

858
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Jea abruptly changed his tone and he began demanding that

859
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:35.199
<v Speaker 1>they leave all of their money behind before they left

860
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:39.480
<v Speaker 1>his home. Now. When these two refused, Gia retrieved a

861
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:44.920
<v Speaker 1>hammer and attacked them. Without a second of thought, he

862
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.360
<v Speaker 1>coldly beat both these victims, the father and son, to

863
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:52.039
<v Speaker 1>death inside his house and then simply disposed of the

864
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 1>bodies in the cellar beneath the kitchen floor. Despite the

865
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.760
<v Speaker 1>disappearance of these two people, No police came looking for them.

866
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.039
<v Speaker 1>No police came looking for Gia either, and the absence

867
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:06.400
<v Speaker 1>of consequences confirmed to him that he could, in fact

868
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 1>commit murder without being caught. This had a very powerful

869
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:16.960
<v Speaker 1>psychological effect on him. Gia later described feeling emboldened by

870
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:20.360
<v Speaker 1>how easily he had avoided any sort of suspicion. He

871
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.679
<v Speaker 1>interpreted the silence as proof that authorities were ineffective and

872
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 1>that victims, especially outsiders, could vanish without a trace.

873
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is so sad because the way he's

874
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.199
<v Speaker 2>doing this, it's like he's giving people a whole bunch

875
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:39.320
<v Speaker 2>of hope m m and then just like I don't know,

876
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 2>within an hour or whatever, just smashing their frickin' dreams.

877
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Like even before he goes about killing them, he was

878
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:46.920
<v Speaker 2>like brings them to their house and robs them and

879
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:48.400
<v Speaker 2>stuff like. That's sad.

880
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:52.000
<v Speaker 1>It is. He's heartless, he's a monster, and what he's

881
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:56.599
<v Speaker 1>doing is just cruel and gross, over the top. Like

882
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I can go on on words, I need a phosaurus

883
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:01.440
<v Speaker 1>and I'll just like read all the negative shit and

884
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:03.199
<v Speaker 1>it'll fit perfectly with what he's doing.

885
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure would, Now he.

886
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Didn't stop with those two, of course, He began doing

887
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:12.079
<v Speaker 1>this over and over, and as disappearances began to accumulate

888
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:16.039
<v Speaker 1>at his hand, rumors started to spread quickly. Word began

889
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 1>circulating that people who visited the town sometimes never returned home.

890
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Business travelers were more cautious, They asked more questions, and

891
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 1>were less willing to follow strangers. Some even stopped coming altogether.

892
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Now this reduced Gia's access to wealthy targets and made

893
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:38.039
<v Speaker 1>his original approach less effective. In response, he adjusted his strategy.

894
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:42.000
<v Speaker 1>He began targeting people who were already marginalized or less

895
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.719
<v Speaker 1>likely to be reported missing quickly, which included sex workers,

896
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.880
<v Speaker 1>migrant labors, and individuals who were traveling alone along the way.

897
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:55.400
<v Speaker 1>He also began recruiting accomplices. Others would watch from a

898
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>distance while a victim was being approached, making sure no

899
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:01.719
<v Speaker 1>police or witnesses were nearby. Now this pattern explains why

900
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 1>the killings that he were doing were going unnoticed for

901
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:09.239
<v Speaker 1>so long. Each disappearance. They seemed separate, involving different people

902
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.559
<v Speaker 1>from different places in different areas, and without centralized records

903
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:16.960
<v Speaker 1>or coordination, coordinated investigations, authorities failed to connect any of

904
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:20.559
<v Speaker 1>these cases. Now, by the time Gia met the woman

905
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.679
<v Speaker 1>who would later become central to the investigation, he had

906
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 1>already killed more than twenty people.

907
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Holy Moley, just like that, twenty people, twenty and no

908
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 2>end in sight really exactly.

909
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 1>His routines already established at this point like his confidence

910
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.800
<v Speaker 1>is high. He feels untouchable, and he believed that he

911
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:42.440
<v Speaker 1>understood exactly how to control every single one of his

912
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.760
<v Speaker 1>victims that he would run into. What he did not expect, though,

913
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.800
<v Speaker 1>at this point, was that one of them would survive

914
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:52.719
<v Speaker 1>long enough to change the entire course of this case.

915
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 1>The woman later identified as you Liha had grown up

916
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.800
<v Speaker 1>in extreme poverty. Her parents died when she was young,

917
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:05.199
<v Speaker 1>and she was raised by her older sister. As an adult,

918
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:08.599
<v Speaker 1>she married quickly in search of stability, but the relationship

919
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.880
<v Speaker 1>was unhappy and marked by frequent arguments. By nineteen ninety one,

920
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 1>she felt trapped and emotionally exhausted. One night, after a

921
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:21.639
<v Speaker 1>serious fight with her husband, Julie Ha left her home

922
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:26.000
<v Speaker 1>clear to go clear her head. She's walking to go

923
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 1>by the nearby train station without a clear destination, just

924
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.320
<v Speaker 1>moving her feet one step after another, with thoughts racing

925
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:36.000
<v Speaker 1>in her mind. Trying to collect herself, and that's when

926
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Gea noticed her. She was attractive, she was alone, and

927
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.639
<v Speaker 1>she fit his victim profile well. He approached her calmly

928
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and introduced himself as the owner of a small candy factory,

929
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.280
<v Speaker 1>and he told her he was looking for employees, suggesting

930
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.360
<v Speaker 1>that she could come earn money and leave her unhappy marriage.

931
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:57.920
<v Speaker 1>When he invited her to see his factory to discuss work,

932
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.519
<v Speaker 1>she agreed. She followed him away f in the station

933
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and towards his rented house in Nihe believing she was

934
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:09.519
<v Speaker 1>walking to a possible new beginning. Once inside, that's when

935
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:13.800
<v Speaker 1>things changed, just like they always did. Jias stopped pretending

936
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 1>to be a businessman and he attacked her, and he

937
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 1>dragged her to his bed and strangled her until she

938
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 1>lost consciousness. Then, believing that she was dead, he searched

939
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:26.760
<v Speaker 1>for her belongings, going through all that she had on

940
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:29.159
<v Speaker 1>her for money and everything, and he sort of valuables,

941
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.039
<v Speaker 1>and after taking what he wanted, he took her body

942
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:34.840
<v Speaker 1>to the kitchen and dropped her into the cellar.

943
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, and she's not dead.

944
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:44.320
<v Speaker 1>When Julieha regained consciousness, she had no immediate sense of

945
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:45.000
<v Speaker 1>where she was.

946
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 2>She probably thought she was in hell.

947
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Probably all she knows at this point is her head spinning.

948
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.320
<v Speaker 1>She's lying in complete darkness, She's disoriented and struggling to

949
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.440
<v Speaker 1>try and breathe normally. The air there was so hot

950
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and heavy and stale. The smell around her was grotesquely overwhelming,

951
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.079
<v Speaker 1>and at first she maybe she thought she was in hell,

952
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:07.920
<v Speaker 1>or maybe she's dreaming or drifting in and out of consciousness.

953
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.280
<v Speaker 1>She had no idea, but as she tried to move,

954
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:15.000
<v Speaker 1>her hand touched something soft and wet. Didn't feel like

955
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 1>dirt or concrete. It felt organic, slippery and uneven. As

956
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:25.639
<v Speaker 1>her fingers pressed and sinking in and her eyes slowly

957
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.840
<v Speaker 1>adjusted to the dark space, that's when she began to

958
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:32.960
<v Speaker 1>make out vague shapes around her. What she saw didn't

959
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:36.960
<v Speaker 1>make sense at first, but eventually she realized she was

960
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:43.199
<v Speaker 1>surrounded by bodies. Dozens of decaying corpses were piled all

961
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:47.239
<v Speaker 1>around and beneath her. Insects and maggots, as you mentioned earlier,

962
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.519
<v Speaker 1>were crawling all around the bodies, weaving in and out

963
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:53.360
<v Speaker 1>covering many of them. She tried to move away, but

964
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:56.000
<v Speaker 1>her hands and feet slipped off the rotting skin into

965
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:59.599
<v Speaker 1>a thick, foul smelling liquid sludge that filled the bottom

966
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:04.440
<v Speaker 1>of the pit. Later investigators would describe that sludge as

967
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:10.039
<v Speaker 1>corpse mud created by months of that accumulated decomp Oh

968
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 1>my goodness, gracious. The cellar was narrow and deep, dug

969
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.599
<v Speaker 1>straight down beneath the kitchen floor, and its walls were

970
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.880
<v Speaker 1>made of packed earth and offered no proper handholds. There

971
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.639
<v Speaker 1>was no ladder, no rope, and no obvious way out.

972
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 1>The opening was above her, and a faint trace of

973
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:34.360
<v Speaker 1>light filtered down. Julie h panicked, but she forced herself

974
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 1>to stay quiet. She knew that if an attacker heard her,

975
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:41.000
<v Speaker 1>he would return and finish what he started, so she

976
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:44.119
<v Speaker 1>composed herself as best she could and focused on escaping.

977
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.880
<v Speaker 1>After several minutes of looking around, she understood that the

978
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.760
<v Speaker 1>only way out was climbing on top of the bodies

979
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:52.760
<v Speaker 1>and out from the top.

980
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, she I don't know how the hell she's

981
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:56.199
<v Speaker 2>going to get out of this.

982
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Some of the corpses were stacked higher than others unstable layers.

983
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:04.639
<v Speaker 1>She carefully placed her feet and hands on them, trying

984
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.159
<v Speaker 1>not to look at the faces of these people or

985
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.920
<v Speaker 1>who they had been thinking of what their lives were like.

986
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:13.800
<v Speaker 1>She's tried to climb, and the remains shifted under her weight.

987
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Several times she nearly slipped back down, and eventually she

988
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:20.480
<v Speaker 1>reached to be close enough to the opening. She grabbed

989
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the concrete slab and with one final push,

990
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 1>she moved the lid open enough to pull herself out

991
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 1>of the pit and collapse onto the kitchen floor. She

992
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:35.840
<v Speaker 1>was exhausted, filthy, and shaking uncontrollably, but she was alive.

993
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.960
<v Speaker 1>And then she looked up and Gia was standing right

994
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 1>in front of her, staring in disbelief. Gia had just

995
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:48.880
<v Speaker 1>witnessed one of his victims crawl out of the very

996
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:53.320
<v Speaker 1>corpse pit that he had beneath his kitchen floor. Julie

997
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Ha was still alive, and Jia quickly reached for a

998
00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.679
<v Speaker 1>shovel and raised it over his head, preparing to kill

999
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:03.159
<v Speaker 1>zu Leieh. As she crawled on her knees and began

1000
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:06.239
<v Speaker 1>begging for her life, she told him she had only

1001
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:08.039
<v Speaker 1>come because of a fight with her husband. She's just

1002
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:10.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to clear her head, and she promised she would

1003
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:13.599
<v Speaker 1>never tell anyone what she had seen or experienced. She

1004
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:16.440
<v Speaker 1>pleaded with him to just let her go.

1005
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, okay, I am shook that she was even

1006
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:22.559
<v Speaker 2>able to get out of there.

1007
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I know, imagine being thrown in that pit.

1008
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:29.679
<v Speaker 2>That is just a fricking nightmare and a hash. So

1009
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:32.840
<v Speaker 2>she basically used like all these dead bodies as.

1010
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:35.599
<v Speaker 1>The ladder, essentially speaking, yeah.

1011
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Is something that I have never heard in my whole life.

1012
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:43.159
<v Speaker 1>I know, it's Oh, I can't believe it. So she

1013
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 1>is officially a survivor at this point through this right okay, Now,

1014
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.639
<v Speaker 1>with her begging for her life though, and Jiah holding

1015
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the shovel over his head preparing to kill her, well, and.

1016
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.840
<v Speaker 2>She's tired as hell, she exactly you know, made her

1017
00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:56.400
<v Speaker 2>way out of there.

1018
00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He didn't respond immediately, He didn't swing, he didn't

1019
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.280
<v Speaker 1>say anything. He just kind of froze and studied her.

1020
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.400
<v Speaker 1>The fact that she actually survived and escaped the pit, well,

1021
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:10.760
<v Speaker 1>it impressed him. He slowly lowered the shovel and rather

1022
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 1>than killing her, he decided he was going to keep her.

1023
01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:16.880
<v Speaker 1>He made it clear though, that letting her live came

1024
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 1>with conditions. He told her that if she tried to

1025
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.800
<v Speaker 1>escape or to report him, he would track down her

1026
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:27.760
<v Speaker 1>husband and her child. Oh no, and from that moment on,

1027
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:32.840
<v Speaker 1>her life was no longer her own. Now, remember he

1028
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.519
<v Speaker 1>went through her belongings, identification, you know, address, He has

1029
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:40.280
<v Speaker 1>all that information. He knows immediately all about her because

1030
01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:44.599
<v Speaker 1>of that, so he kept her inside the house and

1031
01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:48.039
<v Speaker 1>limited her movements. At times he locked her in rooms,

1032
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.960
<v Speaker 1>and on other occasions he even forced her back into

1033
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.400
<v Speaker 1>that pit as punishment when he felt that she was

1034
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:57.199
<v Speaker 1>not cooperating enough. So she didn't crawl out of that

1035
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.760
<v Speaker 1>pit once, she had to do it multiple times.

1036
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that is just terrifying.

1037
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Jia made her help find victims because she appeared

1038
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:12.960
<v Speaker 1>harmless and respectable. She could approach people without raising any

1039
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of suspicion. She was told to persuade victims to

1040
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:18.480
<v Speaker 1>come back to the house, and once they arrived, that's

1041
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.119
<v Speaker 1>when Jia would, you know, be with his accomplices and

1042
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:26.599
<v Speaker 1>they would take over. Julie Ha initially refused. She cried, begged,

1043
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:30.519
<v Speaker 1>and asked to be killed instead, but Jia gave her

1044
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.760
<v Speaker 1>no choice and began threatening your family once again. Each

1045
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.000
<v Speaker 1>time she went out to find a target, she lived

1046
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:40.360
<v Speaker 1>with constant fear that it would be her family's last

1047
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:44.519
<v Speaker 1>day alive. She was allowed occasional contact with her family,

1048
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:48.599
<v Speaker 1>which Jiah carefully monitored, mostly to keep her from being

1049
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a missing person, missing persons, missing missing person.

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01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.480
<v Speaker 2>There we go o kay, oh my goodness, I had

1051
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:58.000
<v Speaker 2>said earlier. I was like, wow, like she was really

1052
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:03.320
<v Speaker 2>quick yep to just like spiller beans really and this

1053
01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:05.239
<v Speaker 2>is freaking' why she is a victim.

1054
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.599
<v Speaker 1>And I told you you don't know much about her yet,

1055
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:09.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't know all of it. And this is why,

1056
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because there was a lot more to this story.

1057
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Wash because here I was like, gosh, she's three, there's

1058
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:16.079
<v Speaker 2>just a piece of shit and they're scamming these poor people,

1059
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:21.079
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, and wow, she is like completely a

1060
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:21.960
<v Speaker 2>victim of all this.

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01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.360
<v Speaker 1>She's doing this against her will, she's being forced to

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01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:24.840
<v Speaker 1>do all this.

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01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay.

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01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.559
<v Speaker 1>Now, as this lure system continued to work, the group

1065
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:33.679
<v Speaker 1>began killing more frequently and with new victims sometimes being

1066
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:37.159
<v Speaker 1>brought into the house even to every few days. That

1067
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:38.119
<v Speaker 1>was the frequency.

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01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:41.559
<v Speaker 2>No wonder that pit was getting full, I know, the

1069
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:42.119
<v Speaker 2>pit of hell.

1070
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.880
<v Speaker 1>So with more victims, though, came practical problems. The original

1071
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:49.360
<v Speaker 1>seller the original pit. While it was beginning to fill,

1072
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:51.880
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying, so the group dug the second one,

1073
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and during this period the violence also became more extreme.

1074
01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Statements and later reports described many acts of mutilaition, necrophilia,

1075
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and abuse of bodies after death. Some remains were dismembered,

1076
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:11.840
<v Speaker 1>some parts were reportedly burned, discarded, or fed or eaten.

1077
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:15.079
<v Speaker 1>There were even reports, as I'm just saying now, eaten

1078
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 1>of cannibalism involving organs and genitalia taken from the victims.

1079
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.400
<v Speaker 1>So they take them, fry them up in a pan

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01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:24.679
<v Speaker 1>and eat them.

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01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:29.360
<v Speaker 2>WHOA, Okay, So this case just has it all and

1082
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry about how much of a shitty human being

1083
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:34.760
<v Speaker 2>are you to be like, Oh, our pit's full, and

1084
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe you know, step back and be like, wow, I suck,

1085
01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Like let's change our life. No, we're just gonna dig

1086
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:41.679
<v Speaker 2>another pit.

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01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right.

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01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it just blows my mind. I don't know.

1089
01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I just can't fathom this, like this thought process.

1090
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I know there's gonna be something else that you're not

1091
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:55.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to understand too, something else that's going

1092
01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to piss you off. But we'll get to that, don't Okay.

1093
01:03:58.519 --> 01:03:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the fun ain't over.

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01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Nope. By mid nineteen ninety one, the crimes had reached

1095
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:06.159
<v Speaker 1>their most extreme stage and the group was killing at

1096
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:09.159
<v Speaker 1>a pace that was becoming difficult to sustain, and life

1097
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:12.199
<v Speaker 1>in Nihe had changed. As a result, words spread that

1098
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:14.800
<v Speaker 1>something was wrong. People were not coming home when they

1099
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.360
<v Speaker 1>traveled here, so they're beginning to avoid the area, and

1100
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:20.039
<v Speaker 1>the steady flow of easy targets that Jihad had relied

1101
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.400
<v Speaker 1>on had slown down dramatically. Even when he's trying to

1102
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:26.719
<v Speaker 1>defer to different targets and change his tactics, it was

1103
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:28.880
<v Speaker 1>becoming overwhelming, to the point that that it didn't even

1104
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:32.920
<v Speaker 1>work anymore. And inside his home, conditions were becoming unbearable

1105
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:35.719
<v Speaker 1>due to the smell that was coming from that pit

1106
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:40.000
<v Speaker 1>or the pits, not to mention the bloodstains, the filth,

1107
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:43.599
<v Speaker 1>and the structural damage accumulating over time to the home.

1108
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Maintaining a normal appearance became harder, and the group also

1109
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.320
<v Speaker 1>began to fracture a bit. Some members grew anxious, and

1110
01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the constant pressure of hiding dozens of murders well, it

1111
01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:58.239
<v Speaker 1>was starting to take its toll. Eventually, Jiad decided that

1112
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:01.400
<v Speaker 1>continuing to kill in Nihi was too risky, as he

1113
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:05.440
<v Speaker 1>had outgrown this area and it was just unstable, so

1114
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:07.880
<v Speaker 1>he and his group began to shift away from murder

1115
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:12.880
<v Speaker 1>based robberies and towards scams and extortions instead. This is

1116
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:15.519
<v Speaker 1>when most of the group members left town and only

1117
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:18.159
<v Speaker 1>a small number remained behind to monitor the house and

1118
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:21.280
<v Speaker 1>guard what was left of their operation. Some of those

1119
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:24.239
<v Speaker 1>who stayed later died by suicide or were arrested in

1120
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:30.280
<v Speaker 1>unrelated cases, further weakening the group. Still, Jia himself reduced

1121
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:33.360
<v Speaker 1>his presence at the property. He focused more on traveling

1122
01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and organizing scams in other cities, and the group adopted

1123
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:39.079
<v Speaker 1>a variation of what the officers would call the badger game,

1124
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:42.719
<v Speaker 1>the very one that brought this all to light. In

1125
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:46.159
<v Speaker 1>some cases, the group even used sedatives to knock victims

1126
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:49.039
<v Speaker 1>unconscious before robbing them, making it easier to start to

1127
01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:52.880
<v Speaker 1>steal larger amounts of cash now. Of course, once those

1128
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:55.880
<v Speaker 1>arrests were made at the Suso's train station, the case

1129
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:58.800
<v Speaker 1>began to move quickly from there, and with the confession

1130
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.400
<v Speaker 1>secured and physical evidence recovered from the house in nih

1131
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the investigation moved to its final phase. Prosecutors worked closely

1132
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:11.000
<v Speaker 1>with police to organize witness statements and forensic reports and

1133
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:15.159
<v Speaker 1>confession transcripts into a formal case, all of it to

1134
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:19.480
<v Speaker 1>try and put these people behind bars and get them convicted. Now,

1135
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:21.480
<v Speaker 1>given the scale of the crimes and the number of

1136
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:25.119
<v Speaker 1>victims involved, the proceedings were handled at a high administrative

1137
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:30.000
<v Speaker 1>level and closely monitored by provincial authorities. By early nineteen

1138
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:33.960
<v Speaker 1>ninety two, charges were formerly filed against the woman Julie Ha,

1139
01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:37.599
<v Speaker 1>the larger man whose name was Sun Wen Lee, and

1140
01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:40.599
<v Speaker 1>the man dressed in the business tire. The leader of

1141
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:45.960
<v Speaker 1>it all well, his name was Gioegei himself. Others were

1142
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.840
<v Speaker 1>identified to There was accomplices that were charged as well.

1143
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:52.079
<v Speaker 1>In fact, in total, six people were ultimately linked to

1144
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:55.400
<v Speaker 1>the operation, though as I mentioned, some had committed suicide,

1145
01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:00.360
<v Speaker 1>some disappeared. Regardless, the defendants were charged with multiple accoutunts

1146
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:06.159
<v Speaker 1>of international homicide, robbery, illegal detention, and participating in organized

1147
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:10.719
<v Speaker 1>violent crime. The trial was scheduled to begin on January eighth,

1148
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two. News of the case had already spread

1149
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:19.559
<v Speaker 1>across the country and public attention was intense. During the proceedings,

1150
01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:22.960
<v Speaker 1>prosecutors laid out the full timeline of the crimes. They

1151
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.320
<v Speaker 1>presented evidence from the seller financial records showing stolen money

1152
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:31.639
<v Speaker 1>and detailed confessions from each defendant. Investigators testified about how

1153
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.760
<v Speaker 1>victims were lured, restrained, killed, and how their bodies were hidden.

1154
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Survivor's statements and family testimonies were also introduced, reinforcing the

1155
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:46.239
<v Speaker 1>human cost behind the numbers. The defendants roles were clearly separated.

1156
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Jiha was portrayed as the organizer in the primary decision maker.

1157
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Sunwn Lee was described as the enforcer who helped control

1158
01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:58.360
<v Speaker 1>victims and intimidate accomplices, and Julie Ha was presented both

1159
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:01.920
<v Speaker 1>as a participant and someone who had acted under extreme coercion,

1160
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:07.079
<v Speaker 1>being a victim herself. Large crowds gathered outside the courtroom

1161
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:11.039
<v Speaker 1>each day in nihe schools and businesses reportedly even adjusted

1162
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:14.960
<v Speaker 1>schedules so people could follow developments. By the end of

1163
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the hearings, prosecutors concluded that the group was responsible for

1164
01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:24.399
<v Speaker 1>at least forty two murders, including twenty four women and

1165
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:29.479
<v Speaker 1>eighteen men. The court accepted this figure as the official count,

1166
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:33.680
<v Speaker 1>though investigators acknowledged that the full identification of all victims

1167
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:39.880
<v Speaker 1>remains incomplete, meaning there were at least forty two and

1168
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:41.239
<v Speaker 1>likely many more.

1169
01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that is a huge number.

1170
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, it's massive. Following the trial in January of

1171
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:51.600
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, the court moved to sentencing. Given the

1172
01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:55.159
<v Speaker 1>number of victims, the organized nature of the crimes, and

1173
01:08:55.279 --> 01:09:00.359
<v Speaker 1>the extreme brutality involved as well, prosecutors sought the macxmum

1174
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:04.760
<v Speaker 1>penalty for all principal defendants, and under Chinese law at

1175
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the time, mass murder combined with robbery and organized criminal

1176
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:15.279
<v Speaker 1>activity while it almost always resulted in capital punishment, and

1177
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:19.560
<v Speaker 1>so in this case, as a result, Gio Weenge was

1178
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:24.000
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to death as the leader and primary perpetrator. Sun

1179
01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Wen Lee and the other male accomplices who had actively

1180
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:31.479
<v Speaker 1>participated in the killings and robberies also received death sentences.

1181
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:35.239
<v Speaker 1>But the most debated sentence of all was that of

1182
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:39.159
<v Speaker 1>Julie Ha, the woman who had survived being thrown in

1183
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:43.359
<v Speaker 1>the pit and later cooperated with police opening this case

1184
01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:47.319
<v Speaker 1>from the very beginning, despite evidence that she had been

1185
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:52.640
<v Speaker 1>coerced and threatened. The court determined that her repeated participation

1186
01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:56.319
<v Speaker 1>in luring victims and assisting in murders made her criminally

1187
01:09:56.439 --> 01:10:00.880
<v Speaker 1>responsible as well, and so she too was sentenced to death.

1188
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Really yes, okay, I don't really know how I feel

1189
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:07.600
<v Speaker 2>about that one.

1190
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a tough pill to swallow that one, because.

1191
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:14.600
<v Speaker 2>She, yeah, like, what was she supposed to do, because

1192
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:18.920
<v Speaker 2>this person was threatening her like family, and she would

1193
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:22.279
<v Speaker 2>believe that those threats were real considering what she knew.

1194
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, they ultimately came to the conclusion that there were

1195
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:28.000
<v Speaker 1>times where she could have contacted police or left or

1196
01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:31.920
<v Speaker 1>ran and it went on too long beyond coercion and control,

1197
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.159
<v Speaker 1>and that she had opportunities to stop it but didn't.

1198
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Huh really Okay.

1199
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Now, executions here in China at the time, they're much

1200
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:47.199
<v Speaker 1>different than in North America and many other parts where here,

1201
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Like for example, right now, if someone receives the death

1202
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:53.000
<v Speaker 1>sentence in North America, they're generally sitting on death row

1203
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:57.359
<v Speaker 1>for like years. Yeah, yeah, that is expedited in China

1204
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:00.439
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties. Here we're talking may be a week

1205
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:04.960
<v Speaker 1>or two, Okay. So executions were carried out that very

1206
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.079
<v Speaker 1>same month of sentencing, and on January twenty fourth, nineteen

1207
01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:12.359
<v Speaker 1>ninety two, all condemned defendants were taken to a designated

1208
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:16.680
<v Speaker 1>execution ground where they were killed by firing squad, which

1209
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:18.800
<v Speaker 1>was the standard method in China at the time.

1210
01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Okay, I'm just so sad about this one.

1211
01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, hold on, let me say one more thing before

1212
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:27.239
<v Speaker 1>you say anything, because there's one more detail I got

1213
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to put in here with this.

1214
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

1215
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, this detail cannot fully be proven, but there are

1216
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:36.880
<v Speaker 1>several reports that state this is true. There were allegedly

1217
01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:42.279
<v Speaker 1>forty two shots fired during this execution, symbolically representing the

1218
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:45.560
<v Speaker 1>number of confirmed victims. In this case, it was the

1219
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.920
<v Speaker 1>final gesture that gave any amount of power back to

1220
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:53.119
<v Speaker 1>the victims that they could. Every bullet fired was one

1221
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:54.760
<v Speaker 1>for one of the victims.

1222
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:57.479
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I guess I do kind of like that.

1223
01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Now, as I mentioned that is allegedly so sorry, what

1224
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:03.359
<v Speaker 1>were you going to say?

1225
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just think that just sucks. Okay. Her name

1226
01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:12.119
<v Speaker 2>is Julie ju ju leha Julieha. So I just feel

1227
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:15.600
<v Speaker 2>terrible for her because she like survived something and it

1228
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:17.720
<v Speaker 2>was kind of just like, now, well, what was the

1229
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:20.319
<v Speaker 2>point I guess of surviving that, you know, but she's

1230
01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:21.199
<v Speaker 2>just dead anyway.

1231
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:24.760
<v Speaker 1>She stopped it from happening for more, She stopped more victims.

1232
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.359
<v Speaker 1>She put an end to it. Well, yeah, like she

1233
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:33.279
<v Speaker 1>survived to stop them. Even when she was initially talking

1234
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:37.119
<v Speaker 1>to police. She knew she wasn't going to survive, She

1235
01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:39.840
<v Speaker 1>knew what her fate was going to be, but she

1236
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:44.439
<v Speaker 1>still chose to tell investigators to put these guys in

1237
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:46.960
<v Speaker 1>under the microscope and tell them what they were doing.

1238
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.319
<v Speaker 1>If she didn't do that, she may have been killed. Eventually.

1239
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:54.239
<v Speaker 1>If she didn't do that, there might be double the

1240
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:56.359
<v Speaker 1>amount of victims. They might have found another house and

1241
01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:58.279
<v Speaker 1>dug more pits, and who knows.

1242
01:12:59.079 --> 01:13:01.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm just struggling with the fact that she

1243
01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:04.560
<v Speaker 2>was treated like the other two, you know, the same

1244
01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:06.079
<v Speaker 2>consequence she got, and I.

1245
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Just it is a tough pill to swallow. Yeah, there's

1246
01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:13.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of debate around that. So now after the executions,

1247
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:17.680
<v Speaker 1>public attention it slowly shifted away from Jiha and towards

1248
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:20.640
<v Speaker 1>the woman who had survived, the seller to Zuliha, just

1249
01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:23.760
<v Speaker 1>like what you're talking about. Most people agreed that Jiha

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01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:27.399
<v Speaker 1>and his male accomplices deserve their sentence, but her execution

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01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.880
<v Speaker 1>became the most controversial part of this case. During the

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01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.880
<v Speaker 1>investigation and trial, it became clear that she had originally

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01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:37.479
<v Speaker 1>been targeted as a victim. She had been attacked, she

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01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:39.840
<v Speaker 1>had been strangled, and she had been thrown into that

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01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:43.760
<v Speaker 1>cellar where she narrowly escaped and survived. And when she

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01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:47.880
<v Speaker 1>did escape, Jiha threatened, you know, death of her family.

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01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:52.159
<v Speaker 1>So he tracked down her husband, child, learned where they lived,

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01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:55.600
<v Speaker 1>all this sort of stuff. And these these were continuous

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01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:59.560
<v Speaker 1>threats that went on, and he made it clear that

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01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:01.920
<v Speaker 1>any at tempt to flee or to report him would

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01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.359
<v Speaker 1>result in their death. If he got wind of anything,

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01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:07.960
<v Speaker 1>they were dead. So, according to her later statements, these

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01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.159
<v Speaker 1>threats were reinforced repeatedly. She was even punished at times,

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01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:13.479
<v Speaker 1>but being thrown back in the pit. These things, if

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01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:16.800
<v Speaker 1>she ever showed signs of resisting, and under this pressure,

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01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:20.159
<v Speaker 1>is when she began cooperating. She lured men to the house,

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01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:23.159
<v Speaker 1>watched them walk into danger, and in some cases was

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01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:26.760
<v Speaker 1>forced to even participate directly in the violence. One of

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01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:30.039
<v Speaker 1>the most disturbing details of this in her confessions was

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01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that Jia once made her stab a victim while he

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01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:37.239
<v Speaker 1>was taking pictures of it, so he ensured that she

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01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:42.159
<v Speaker 1>could never claim innocence. From that point on, she believed

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01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:47.600
<v Speaker 1>she was trapped permanently. Supporters argued that her actions will

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01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:52.920
<v Speaker 1>result of prolonged captivity, psychological terror, and very credible threats

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01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:56.880
<v Speaker 1>against her life and her family's life. They pointed out

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01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:59.880
<v Speaker 1>that she had no realistic way to escape, lived under

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01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:03.880
<v Speaker 1>constant surveillance, and had been conditioned to believe that disobedience

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01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:06.560
<v Speaker 1>meant death for her loved ones, and from this perspective,

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01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:09.760
<v Speaker 1>she was not a willing accomplice, but someone forced into

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01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:15.119
<v Speaker 1>criminal behavior under extreme dress. Now critics, though, saw it differently.

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01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:18.760
<v Speaker 1>They focused on the length of time she remained involved

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01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:22.720
<v Speaker 1>and the number of victims that she helped lure. Over months,

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01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.079
<v Speaker 1>she brought in more than a dozen men, and in court,

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01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:29.239
<v Speaker 1>prosecutors pointed out that she had opportunities to flee or

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01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:33.319
<v Speaker 1>seek help and did not. In their view, the fear

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01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:38.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't fully excuse repeated participation in the murder of over

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01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:44.119
<v Speaker 1>a dozen individuals. Now, as you're not really liking this,

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01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and I can see them by the look in your.

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01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Face, I'm thinking about it. It's processing.

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01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:51.600
<v Speaker 1>There are points on both sides, There certainly are, and

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01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:54.680
<v Speaker 1>debate has continued over this for years. It's not something

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01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:57.359
<v Speaker 1>that people have ever stopped debating. Some saw her as

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01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a tragic casualty and others, you know what, as a

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01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:06.640
<v Speaker 1>murderer herself, as an accomplice regardless of opinions. Though, when

1295
01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:09.399
<v Speaker 1>the executions were over and the courts, you know, all

1296
01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:12.720
<v Speaker 1>the records were finalized, the case officially ended. But for

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01:16:12.760 --> 01:16:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the people of Nihi Well, their town's name remained tied

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01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:19.039
<v Speaker 1>to the horrific murders. In other parts of the province.

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01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:21.800
<v Speaker 1>People no longer thought of it as an ordinary rural

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01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:26.039
<v Speaker 1>community known for farming and trade. Instead, they thought of

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01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:30.159
<v Speaker 1>that brick house, that root seller, and the dozens of

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01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:34.479
<v Speaker 1>people who had vanished without explanation and only being found

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01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:39.319
<v Speaker 1>in a pile of decomposing flesh. Business travelers continued to

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01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:41.520
<v Speaker 1>avoid the area for a very long time even after

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01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the crime stopped. Some families moved away, unable to live

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01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:49.039
<v Speaker 1>with that association. Others stayed but rarely spoked about what happened.

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01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:54.840
<v Speaker 1>The psychological impact on investigators and forensic workers was severe.

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01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Many of those who had participated in the recovery described

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01:16:57.720 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 1>it as the most difficult assessment of their lives. Working

1310
01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:04.399
<v Speaker 1>in confined spaces filled with decomposing remains for days at

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01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a time left very long lasting emotional scars on them.

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01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know I'd sleep after that.

1313
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, several officers, they said that they suffered from recurring nightmares,

1314
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:17.439
<v Speaker 1>long term stress related cases, and a lot of mental

1315
01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:20.920
<v Speaker 1>health stuff. But obviously, like in the nineties, mental health

1316
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:24.439
<v Speaker 1>support isn't exactly what was today, so they were just

1317
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:29.039
<v Speaker 1>expected to carry on, which is rough. Families of the

1318
01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:32.399
<v Speaker 1>victims were left with mixed emotions too. Some felt relief

1319
01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that people you know who were responsible for all this

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01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:38.720
<v Speaker 1>had been punished. Others struggled with anger and grief, especially

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01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:42.560
<v Speaker 1>those who never recovered identifiable remains of their loved ones,

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01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.840
<v Speaker 1>with only parts of the victims formerly being identified or claimed,

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01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and many families were left without clear closure. In some cases,

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01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:54.279
<v Speaker 1>relatives never received confirmation of what had happened beyond official notice,

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01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and that was it. In the end, the case left

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01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:01.239
<v Speaker 1>behind more than a list of victims and court documents.

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01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:05.960
<v Speaker 1>It left a community permanently changed, a generation of officers

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01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:10.079
<v Speaker 1>shaped by trauma and a lasting nightmare of a deep

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01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:14.640
<v Speaker 1>pit somewhere in the world, one with rotting flesh, with

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01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:19.239
<v Speaker 1>corpse mud and lost lives. And it begs the question,

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01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:25.520
<v Speaker 1>how big and cruel is this world? How many pits

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01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:30.159
<v Speaker 1>exist out there right now? How many cruel murderers are

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01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:34.000
<v Speaker 1>getting away with mass killings and dumping bodies simply because

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01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:38.720
<v Speaker 1>they can. Unfortunately, I don't think those are questions we'll

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01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:43.199
<v Speaker 1>ever find answers to. And that's the story of Geonge,

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01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:45.039
<v Speaker 1>the man with the corpse pit.

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<v Speaker 2>Brutal. Yes, And to say the least, just to clarify,

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01:18:52.119 --> 01:18:53.600
<v Speaker 2>there's no candy factory.

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01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:55.479
<v Speaker 1>No, there's no candy factory.

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01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Like, holy shit.

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01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:01.239
<v Speaker 1>He basically got like a buss this license, just register

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01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:03.239
<v Speaker 1>the name or something like along those lines. I'm not

1343
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:05.000
<v Speaker 1>saying that's exactly what he did, but he did something

1344
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:07.399
<v Speaker 1>like that, just enough to get some official paperwork saying

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01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:10.840
<v Speaker 1>he had this business and then use that as credentials.

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01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:13.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And what are they calling this pit? This is

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01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:15.079
<v Speaker 2>a smut.

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01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's the sludge at the bottom, the fluids and

1349
01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the decomposition. What corpse mud?

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01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:22.479
<v Speaker 2>Corpse mud, that's.

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01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:26.600
<v Speaker 1>What they were calling it. Okay.

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01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot in here that is just so

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01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:32.560
<v Speaker 2>mind blowing to me, and things that I just would

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01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:33.880
<v Speaker 2>expect to have never heard.

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01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I know, and honestly I could have I could have

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01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:39.079
<v Speaker 1>described a lot more.

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01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm sure you could have.

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01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:44.359
<v Speaker 1>I didn't go into any cannibalistic descriptions or anything like

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01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:47.159
<v Speaker 1>that or much more of the abuse that people went

1360
01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:51.159
<v Speaker 1>through or the murders themselves. And this is a heavy

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01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:53.359
<v Speaker 1>fucking case. And if you got through it to this

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01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:56.039
<v Speaker 1>point so far, you got through to the end, you

1363
01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:58.720
<v Speaker 1>deserve a drink. Whether you drink booze or not find

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01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:01.319
<v Speaker 1>your favorite comfort drink, you deserve it.

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01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, I'm kind of like, I think I need

1366
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:04.199
<v Speaker 2>a blizzard or something.

1367
01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Go get some ice cream or whatever.

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01:20:06.439 --> 01:20:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like a serious treat because that I mean, you know,

1369
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that was a long time agost though, So I'm just like,

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01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:16.920
<v Speaker 2>in my brain nothing like that exists anymore. But if

1371
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling that, don't know, it really does.

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01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:24.239
<v Speaker 2>But I also I still have very mixed feelings about

1373
01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:30.239
<v Speaker 2>that one execution. I'm leaning I can understand both sides,

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01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I suppose, but I'm definitely leaning towards I do not

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01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:37.239
<v Speaker 2>think that she should have been executed and held at

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01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:40.319
<v Speaker 2>the same like criminal standard as the others.

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01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I agree, And I mean that the consensus seems to

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01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:47.000
<v Speaker 1>be as such that majority says that she did not

1379
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:47.720
<v Speaker 1>deserve it.

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01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she was in such a hard position. How

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01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:53.279
<v Speaker 2>the fuck was she supposed to get out of that? Really?

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01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>For sure? For sure? And I don't know how she

1383
01:20:57.600 --> 01:20:59.119
<v Speaker 1>would have got out of it, but I do. I

1384
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:03.800
<v Speaker 1>do understand that she knew, she knew she was going

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01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:08.119
<v Speaker 1>to die, and she still chose to say something. She

1386
01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:11.680
<v Speaker 1>still chose to get these people put away, she still

1387
01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:15.640
<v Speaker 1>chose to bring this to light. And because of that alone. Yeah,

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01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:19.479
<v Speaker 1>she is responsible for some stuff too, but she she

1389
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:21.119
<v Speaker 1>is the badass the day I'm going to say that

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01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:25.239
<v Speaker 1>she survived literal hell yeah, unfortunately had to be an

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01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:28.840
<v Speaker 1>accomplished in certain aspects, and I feel so terrible for her.

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01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, then as soon as she got this opportunity, like

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01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:35.560
<v Speaker 2>she was like, no, listen up here, this is what's happening.

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01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So because of her, I mean, if she didn't

1395
01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:39.119
<v Speaker 1>speak up, what would have happened?

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01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would have just well.

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01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Eventually it would have been found, But would it have

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01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:46.960
<v Speaker 1>never been traced to him? Would he have been left

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01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:49.199
<v Speaker 1>the country or something by then would have known?

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01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:51.800
<v Speaker 2>It could have gone on for longer. So really, like

1401
01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:55.359
<v Speaker 2>she saved so many people. I feel like in like

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01:21:55.800 --> 01:22:01.279
<v Speaker 2>the North America justice system, she would have gotten way

1403
01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:02.039
<v Speaker 2>more lenient.

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01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the justice systems, no matter where in the world,

1405
01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:05.840
<v Speaker 1>are never perfect.

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01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know, and I'm saying, and that was a

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01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:11.239
<v Speaker 2>long time ago too, so I feel like maybe in

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01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:13.479
<v Speaker 2>the nineties here that that same thing could have happened.

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01:22:13.520 --> 01:22:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I just feel like today I

1410
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:18.520
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see that happening so much.

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01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I know, but either way, that was the result. And

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01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:23.520
<v Speaker 1>if you guys have opinions on if you have thoughts,

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01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:25.119
<v Speaker 1>feel free to shoot us a message. We'd love to

1414
01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.720
<v Speaker 1>know what you thought of this, not only of her

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01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:30.960
<v Speaker 1>perspective and whether she got what she deserved and justice

1416
01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:33.600
<v Speaker 1>was served, but also your thoughts in this episode. This

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01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:35.800
<v Speaker 1>was definitely much more of a graphic one. As I

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01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:38.039
<v Speaker 1>said in the intro, it's one of the most graphic,

1419
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:40.760
<v Speaker 1>if not the most graphic story we've ever covered on

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01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:43.520
<v Speaker 1>this podcast. So let us know your thoughts. You can

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<v Speaker 1>check out our description for email, Instagram face. All the

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01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:48.720
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01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:50.399
<v Speaker 1>us a rating. It goes a long way for the show.

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01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Because we are just a independent podcast. I know Nicole

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01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:56.199
<v Speaker 1>hates it when I say we're just We're just. We're

1426
01:22:56.439 --> 01:22:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it's us. We're an independent podcast. No one's pulling the strings.

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01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.199
<v Speaker 1>It's us and you and we love it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>So much for being here, and until next time, stay wicked.
