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Speaker 1: I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult

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When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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Speaker 3: And one of the things I remember the most, where

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the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

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It is just circling these steps like it is waiting

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for me. And he begins to tell them that he

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saw a UFO.

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Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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Speaker 3: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,

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nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye

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contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back

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to tin Foil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Tonight, I'm

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joined by Ron and Mark. Guys, thanks for coming here

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and talking with me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter to me who goes first, But would

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you guys like to let the audience know a little

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bit about yourself before we dive into it tonight.

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Speaker 4: I'll go ahead. Mark.

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Speaker 1: I'm a writer of science fiction and fantasy. I'm seventy

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five years old. I live in Bulder, Colorado. I got

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my start in writing with Ron Meyer, the co author

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on this book, The High Strangeness of Bigfoot, about thirty

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the last thirty years. I practice a martial art called

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aketo and uh I live in a live in a

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community that that the residents manage and uh we, uh

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we do a pretty good job of it. I think

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that's about that's my that's my tail.

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Speaker 3: Mhm.

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Speaker 5: So I've been in the entertainment business, starting in public

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the first feature film for Discovery with you know, Hollywood actors,

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billion dollar budgets.

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Speaker 5: I sold my library and focused on producing, largely for

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edutainment where I got a specialty and serial killers of

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all things. And I was hired to do a program

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on Bigfoot pre COVID and I wasn't too excited about it.

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would largely handle the hard work, and so that's how

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involved in anomalous experiences throughout my life, including not doing

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experiences where the self goes away, out of body experiences,

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and lately I've been we've been recording with a particular

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protocol we use that we call it the C six

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protocol who we use a mindfulness meditation and a rare

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old chant from the beginning of natural languages, and we're

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beginning all sorts of weird recordings, appearances and even whatever

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environmental variables, including the magnetism of an area, and lifted

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it up during the duration. Then on the gyroscope, it

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lifted us up on the z accent. So it's been

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Speaker 3: I'm familiar with the C five because that's why I've

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talked a few people to do that, like the CEE

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five stuff where fly over with the UFOs or the

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lights in the sky. But I'm not You're the first

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one I've ever heard referred to six.

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Speaker 4: I just made it up last summer.

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kind or something like that, and so, and it was

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movie on it, you know, doing extremely well.

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Speaker 4: You know, you can still make money. That was making a.

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Speaker 5: So so right now I'm kind of just pursuing this

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paranormal aspect of stuff, following expanding the use of the

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the guy that I talked to, it wasn't just like

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paranormal stuff, but they had bigfoot activity and he said

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he even found like large tracks that he also thought

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tote thing. Ye, my son, he he actually saw the bigfoot.

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of the Adobe house. I interacted with with an entity

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on an SLS. You know what those are these cameras, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Chair and I had a green light laser pointer and

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lot of magnetic fluctuations and it seemed to go in

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and out of existence while we were there filming.

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like Skinwalker Ranch two with the magnetism and everything. So

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be a hot spot. But you think this is something

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what causes these energies going on there. I would say, no, okay, you.

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from Jacques la kind of a famous Dudent war and

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everything pioneer and technology is one of the co founders

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that there's a presence and Colonel John Alexander calls it

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the it because he said he can't think of a

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better word for because he was the first one to

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investigate Skinwalker Ranch and that that presence in masquerade pretty

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much any form of once from these tic tac type

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ufp UAPs or as a bigfoot, and they have a

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kind of physicality to them. But it's what actually it is.

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at these locations and strange ways in different ways every time.

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and it's basically the high strangeness of Bigfoot.

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Speaker 3: Do you believe that Bigfoot itself now that you've been

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investigating it, Do you think these bigfoot or just undiscovered

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species or you think there's a lot more to them

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Speaker 1: I think we can pretty much lay to rest the

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idea of Bigfoot being a separate species or a species

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of hominid that swings around through the trees in the

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of Australia known as the Yauzi or lives in the

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hamalias as the Yetti. For two reasons. The first, I

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no fossil There is no fossil record of such a

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being anywhere on the planet. Secondly, there with the ubiquitousness

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of cameras nowadays cell phone cameras, you would think that

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somebody would get a very clear picture of it that says,

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the trees. Those are the two that's the first main reason.

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control system hypothesis, and that is that this presence can

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manifest us whatever is needed in the moment to influence

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fifty thousand years ago, when it's considered that humans first

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and to the present, and this presence manifests and thing

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met a beggar on the road. He's a Roman legionnaire.

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tunic in half, covers him, and then has a vision

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of what he should really be doing, which is protecting

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people instead of being a Roman legionnaire killing them. That's

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a very simplified version of his story. But this vision

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that he has is in keeping with his worldview at

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the time. If we go to Saint if we go

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twentieth century. The worldview is changing. I'm not saying that

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saying that. But the worldview is changing. It's becoming decidedly

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some individuals will see demons. But other individuals who are

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it wisdom. They come to us with wisdom when we

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presence comes to humans with wisdom when we need it.

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to you, whether they it's a part of a vision

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quest or maybe some other right that you're going through.

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to us, maybe less important to the scientific community, because

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it's the scientific community can't find what they call. And

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I'm gonna put quotation marks or air quotes around this,

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a rational explanation for a bigfoot or a haunted house.

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Speaker 3: For example.

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Speaker 4: That's no.

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, that's that's kind of how

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Speaker 5: So yet all these things you can't exclude some sort

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of physical manifestation with them. The you know, the tic

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TACs SMaL you know, traveling at speeds that are impossible,

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you know, according to the normal consensus laws of physicalism

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or reductionist physics. We recorded for these in our thermal

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going just as fast, just as inexplicable.

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Speaker 4: And you know there were there were there reel.

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Speaker 5: As can be in some ways, but just impossible as well,

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because nothing we have could go that fast. They weren't

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like this cross for sixteen seconds. And in the protocol

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it happened instantaneously when I said to the group of

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two hundred people, look to the skies, and they showed

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up just to so as Alec coronel ogers, I say

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that these things are sentient. In other words, they they're

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aware of what's going on, and they seem to be

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pre cognitive to know to some extent what's happening. Before

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we do, Like when people see bigfoot running across the road,

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it's not an accident. This way of thinking and these

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things become life changing for people because this shift the

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world view people have if these things are possible, and

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they can't deny them, although you know they might try, they.

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Speaker 4: Don't fit it.

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Speaker 5: And so I think it's part of there's a shift

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going on right now, kind of like the death of physicalism.

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and energy and space and time. But that's just not

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good enough. That we humans have are are in many

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ways very unique, and we have consciousness and that needs

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to be explained among other things. I mean, it seems

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kind of ridiculous that there was in the beginning, there

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was a bunch of helium or hydrogen, and that led

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to Brandon.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna agree. This makes me think of something

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that I heard recently when it comes like to the

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UAPs and like with a tip or altick whatever is

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pronounced as like some of the things that they've done

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to investigate. One of the guys that was in charge

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of it, I think his last name was Lakatski. He

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was telling people to stop thinking about it as like

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basically a nuts and bolts type of a craft if

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we see these things and without going because apparently he

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can't go breaking his o's or going off record or

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whatever it is. But the way I interpret of what

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he was explaining is think of these things more as

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a consciousness, spiritual type aspect to them rather than a

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space craft. And that kind of goes back into I

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just hear recently the Vice President claims these things are

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he said demons, which I thought was a random thing

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Speaker 1: That's his worldview. So yeah, So I want to come

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back to this a little bit because we're talking about science,

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and Ron was talking about science and how siloed it

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can be. That's not to say that modern science and

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technology isn't good. I mean, we wouldn't be talking the

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way we're talking right now without modern science and technology.

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It just wouldn't exist. But at some point modern science

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and technology has to break out of the very small

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box it's put itself in, that reductionist box that tries

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to explain everything down to the smallest little item as

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the as a way of saying, this is this is

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how everything's meaningful. And I believe, and I didn't always

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believe this because when Ron and I first met up

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for the first book we did on Aliens and big

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but he recruited me because of my skepticism. And one

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of the great things that Ron convinced me of as

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we've continued our working together in the last six to

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seven years, is that my stub my skepticism can make

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me so stubborn that I'm not able to see the

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force for the trees. So dialing back my skepticism, I'm

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able to say science isn't bad, but if it could

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break out of that narrow box it's put itself in,

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it might actually expand to even greater abilities than it

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has now.

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Speaker 5: And then you know, science is just people doing stuff

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writing symbols, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Language or mathematics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The voice wasn't.

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Speaker 5: Done by some human being wisconscious. And you could take

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all the written texts relating to you know, physics or

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biology and all the symbols, and if we had no

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culture to interpret them, they would be meaningless because they're

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just it's just the map that we currently think is,

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you know, the map of reality at best, it's not

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the story. But right now I think the shift is

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it's happening, is that we're beginning to to live with

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not knowing. I think all these things are asking us

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you can't figure them out. Those tic TACs, we can't

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figure them out. When those things showed up, similar types

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of things showed up at at Sedona. I don't know

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how to make sense that. Nobody knows how to make

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sense of it. We just got to kind of live

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in this state of we just don't know when. I

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think that's valuable, especially in relationship to the artificial and

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tells that are coming along because they can't they certainly

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can't function and not knowing. But mostly the great inventions

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come about when people are in a state of not knowing.

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They're just puzzling and thinking, and all of a sudden, boom,

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something something shows up that connected things that weren't connected before,

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like the classic example of things falling on Earth and

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planet's going around the sun. You know that these two

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things could be related. And most of the science occurs

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that way, when when things that weren't related become related,

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and that's the big step forward, and then you have

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some more of those, and then you have more problems

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and odd patterns, and eventually some person comes along and

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makes another set of connections and it just moves along

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like that. But I think right now it's good to

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be living and not knowing because that's where the creative

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aspect and juice of human beings that resides.

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Speaker 4: That's just my opinion.

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Speaker 3: It makes life a little more interesting, I think when

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there's stuff that we don't actually know, because it gives

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us something to research into look for more. I don't

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know if that's just a human trade or not, but

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we all have a feeling like there's something more than

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what we know. There's always someone else to it.

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Speaker 1: Jack Malay talks about that with his control system hypothesis

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that the presence creates mysteries for humans. And I've said

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this before that humans are as curious as cats, and

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if the Earth really were flat, we'd like cats. We'd

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be chasing after everything and falling off the edge. I mean,

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we just would because we want to know about it.

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So that state of not knowing that Ron was talking

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about is the greatest source of our personal growth. And

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some people take it in different directions. Stephen Jobs, for example,

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took it in the direction of Apple and next thing

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you know, we have iPods, iPhones, imax. I mean, that's

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just an incredible display of technical of technologies from his

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not knowing. For some of us, though, the not knowing

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is long a spiritual path for some of us, So

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not knowing is long a physical path.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how fast we can run. We don't

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know how fast we can swim. Can you imagine Michael

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Phelps had gotten into the water and he went, oh, wow,

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this is wet. Well, I really don't care about it. No,

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he doesn't know anything about it. He goes, well, I

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want to find out a little bit more about this,

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And the next thing, you know, you know, thirty years

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later he's got twenty three gold medals and the greatest

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sports hero of our generation or of the millennial generation,

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not our generation.

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Speaker 3: And it's not too like dig at anyone that's religious

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or whatever. But I've always thought it was interesting that

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a lot of people are willing to accept their religious

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beliefs without any sort of validation to it, like far

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as physical proof that they can prove a different like

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a higher power, like in like a god aspect to it.

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But the same people will not believe in UFOs or

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aliens or the idea of Bigfoot or these spirits or whatever.

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But you're putting all your faith into something of the

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same nature of a different type of a creator, a being,

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a different type of energy of power. But you won't

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believe in the aspects of some of these other things too.

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Speaker 4: Human beings are strange, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very much.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we find it easier to latch onto those things

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that feel familiar to us. So I'm just going to

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make a wild guess that all of us grew up

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in a household that had some connection to religion somewhere,

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whether our parents took us to church or our neighbors

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parents took their kids to church. So that's a familiarity

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to us. And whether we went to church or not,

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there's a huge familiarity just in the worldview around us.

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At all times. People are always talking about religion, and

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right now the president's in a war with the Pope

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of all things, I mean. So we're all conscious of

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different religious faiths, sort of driven into us through history

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and through our lives as we grow up. So say

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it makes sense that we gravitate towards those things that

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are familiar to us. But along your lines what you're

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talking about, Brandon, when we take the familiarity and use

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it as a skepticism to say nothing else can exist

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outside of it. Then we've really siloed ourselves into this

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small sort of worldview that doesn't allow us to grow.

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I don't think it allows us to grow spiritually personally,

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but it certainly doesn't allow us to grow in the

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sense of becoming more aware of who we are as

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human beings, who we what we can do as human beings.

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Speaker 3: Our capabilities are we're not even really tapped into. I

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think a lot of the abilities that we can manifest.

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But I don't know if that's by design or just

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us not knowing right now, but I feel like there's

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things that humans are capable of that we don't even

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know how to scratch the surface of.

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Speaker 5: M hm. So I think, you know, these people who

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are satisfied with Christianity, they're kind of source from the

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same thing. You know that there's there's a mystery to

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their to their life. They don't quite understand how it

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is that they are. There's an insecurity there. They know

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that they're vulnerable in their bodies, and so there's got

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the thought is there's got to be something bigger and

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better than just this, you know, being hungry running around

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and drinking and cooping and knocking each other around. There's

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got to be something else, and in many ways, these

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forms of Christianity is kind of an answer to It

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says there's a higher power, and that's somehow you're connected

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to that higher power.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's okay.

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Speaker 5: I think pretty much everything that, even my own, my

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own sense of of why I'm here, has never been

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totally satisfied. I still don't get how it is that

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I am, you know so, and I probably never will.

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But there's this, I think, ever since one's got language,

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they asked that question because they could. I don't think

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my dog worries about if he's going to go to

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heaven or no, or you know, how it is that

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he's existing and all that sort of stuff. It's us,

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human beings that want that asks those questions and feel

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the desire to we're connected to something bigger, and that's

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the mystery because we don't quite know what it is.

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And you know, it keeps me going, how about you, Brandon.

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting and this is just me thinking

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out loud, but it's always been interesting to me that

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we are basically the only species that I'm aware of. Obviously,

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there was offshoots, but we're the only ones that are

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we do what we do, like we're the most evolved

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in the sense that we live in houses, we drive vehicles,

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we have technologies, we do all those other things, and

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if you look at all the other species, there's nothing

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close to us. So it's like we are special in

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the sense that we are human, Like we have this ability,

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we have thoughts, we can think about things, we can

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actually think about, like religions, and we have these ideas,

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and apparently we make weapons and blow each other up too.

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But we're the only species that seems to do that.

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can they communicate amongst themselves or whatever. But it's not

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00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,079
how we are talking, right, you know what I mean.

481
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:43,079
They don't have the they don't have the humanization like

482
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:43,480
we do.

483
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,039
Speaker 5: I think the redefining what it means to what a

484
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,480
human is it is happening right now. Like you said,

485
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,960
there's one aspect of it is the expansion of certain

486
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,960
abilities that can emerge that are you know, quite surprise

487
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:08,440
to say, precognition, even it's very short, for example, telecanesis.

488
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,759
Speaker 4: Did you ever bend a spoon or something like that

489
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:12,599
by the wine.

490
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,799
Speaker 3: I've tried, I've never been able to do it.

491
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,799
Speaker 5: I did it really cool and it just was like buddy,

492
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:24,880
but there was no heat to it, which would if

493
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,559
you had heated it up, then it would have been

494
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,960
pretty hot when it wasn't. So we did this interview

495
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,519
with Colonel Alexander and he said that when they were

496
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:40,720
looking for people to do telekinesis experiments like using their

497
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,799
wine to kill things like goats, the first test was

498
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,400
could they been in the spoon and if they could,

499
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,319
could they accept that they could bend the spoon? And

500
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,279
not everybody could. Surprisingly, it just didn't fit in with

501
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:58,519
their world view, and so they were dismissed. And then

502
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:01,839
the rest of it. I guess the ones that succeeded

503
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,480
in both those tests, you know, move on and killed

504
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:09,119
goats and who knows what else. So there are these capabilities,

505
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,440
you know, and maybe it's all human in some sense.

506
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,960
That's one of the new ideas emerging, is that there's

507
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,119
little us and then there's big us, that this mystery

508
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,480
is also us, that there's only the one and getting

509
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,000
kind of wild here, Sorry about that.

510
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: You're good. The the movie, I think was called the

511
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,359
Men that ster at goats. Wasn't that about them trying

512
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,640
to do that?

513
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, it was kind of you know version

514
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,200
of it.

515
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: I figured that the movie version wasn't one hundred percent

516
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,039
accurate of what really went on because Hollywood likes to

517
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,200
portray things a little differently than reality.

518
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,119
Speaker 5: So Pardinal Alexander said that they did succeed to be

519
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,359
able to kill goats when they did the autopsy and

520
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,640
the goat like it was a bullet moving to their heart,

521
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,840
that there was no anti or exit. Mond, that's something

522
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,480
would tell me.

523
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,039
Speaker 3: I know they used to try remote viewing. That's something

524
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,039
that I think has been they've talked about, and that's

525
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:24,000
where the people. Oh yeah, it makes me wonder if

526
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:25,760
we're able to do that. And then you talk to

527
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,039
people that say that they're able to leave their body,

528
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,880
like travel the astral plane or whatever, like their consciousness

529
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:40,239
leaves their body. We could like as being raised as

530
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,320
a Christian, obviously we have a soul, is what I

531
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,719
was raised is the soul basically our consciousness. It's our energy.

532
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,960
And then people are able to leave their body and

533
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,960
then travel around. And I've talked to people that supposedly

534
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,239
are able to do this on command, Like they can

535
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,920
go into a meditative state and they leave their body

536
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,639
and they travel through these different things, They've interacted with,

537
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:09,079
different beings from these different planes of existence. It gets

538
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,840
to the point to where it's like, are they a

539
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,320
different reality a different dimension? Like that's where my brain

540
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,159
I started to get confused with it because it's like

541
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:20,639
trying to process all this information and it's like, I

542
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:24,960
don't understand how someone's able to do that, let alone

543
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,360
like where they're actually going and what they're interacting.

544
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 4: They're not alone in that, you know.

545
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 5: That's that's pretty typical of the response we have near

546
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,960
death experiences, right, same sort of kinds of telling of

547
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:42,559
the inaffable what you can't really talk about these experiences,

548
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:48,639
and so this idea that it's your conscious that leaves

549
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:52,079
the body and still is aware, you know stuff, that's

550
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:56,920
the twenty four of consciousness right now. That nobody nobody's

551
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,760
really settled one, you know, any one.

552
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:03,559
Speaker 4: Of them particular. Yeah, they're all fascinating to think about though.

553
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: So that I'd love hearing stuff about it. But at

554
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,119
the same time, someone had asked me if i'd ever

555
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:10,639
want to try it, and I was like, my luck

556
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,599
would be I'd actually be the one that leaves my

557
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:14,840
body but not be able to come back to my body.

558
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,880
That'd be my consciousness or whatever it be, trapped wherever

559
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:18,280
it is.

560
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 5: Sounds like a Hollywood movie. You end up in somehow

561
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,599
stuck in somebody else's body along with them.

562
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,639
Speaker 3: I better I better write it and get in touch

563
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,000
with my Hollywood buddies and get a get a cut

564
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:31,280
of that.

565
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 5: So so I could. I can tell you one story

566
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,760
like that. We have this thing. There's this prayer tree

567
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,280
in a place in Colorado where people touch it and

568
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,880
they have these weird experiences.

569
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 4: It was something that the.

570
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: Juden said done and this one girl, young teenage girl,

571
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:57,239
did this and she described leaving her body and traveling.

572
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,360
I said that was really cool, and she said, no,

573
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,440
it wasn't. I'd never want to do that again.

574
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: I've talked to someone before, and I've actually talked to

575
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,320
several people. One version of the near death experience was

576
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,480
they saw people from their path like it's almost the same,

577
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:20,719
like they saw their loved ones that have passed away

578
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:24,639
and they were around them. And then I've heard other

579
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:29,000
people talk about when they passed they saw a light,

580
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:30,840
but they were told not to go to the light,

581
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,840
and if you go on the light, you're basically going

582
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,880
back in a recycle event. So they didn't go to

583
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,880
the light, and they started seeing these other things and

584
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,000
that's how they started traveling around and seeing the other

585
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,639
like these weird beings and other things. I was like, again,

586
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,360
I don't know if this is true, because people can

587
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,360
make things, you know what I mean, Like, you don't

588
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,599
know what everyone's experience or maybe that's what they believed

589
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:56,360
that was happening to them, but there's no real verification

590
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,039
one way or another. It's just someone's account of what

591
00:37:59,079 --> 00:37:59,840
they experienced.

592
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Well, it's not unlike people who say they've been abducted

593
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:09,559
by aliens, or that they've seen a UAP or they've

594
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:15,599
seen Bigfoot. These I like to say about people who

595
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,840
share their experiences. For example, one time Ron and I

596
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:25,079
were discussing a book we were writing. It was called

597
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:27,679
The book was called Simulation, and that the earth is

598
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:32,480
the premise of the book is that the world that

599
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:36,519
we now inhabit is actually not real. It's a giant

600
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:41,519
ai simulation for the simplicities. And they were listening to

601
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:44,719
us discuss this book that we're writing, and because we

602
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,239
discussed the characters and everything, and the young woman they

603
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,559
probably are about fifty years younger than Ron and me,

604
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,960
and the young woman comes over and says, I don't

605
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,679
know whether you guys would find this interesting, but we

606
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,760
were abducted by aliens. And she and her partner, young

607
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,800
man about the same age, sat down and talked with

608
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,440
us for about ten minutes about their experience, and you

609
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,519
could tell talking to them that they were not making

610
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:14,119
it up. They were not like, oh, I'm we're going

611
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,440
to titillate these guys and have fun with them. They

612
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:24,199
were earnest, and in their earnestness, they revealed a lot

613
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,719
about themselves personally, not I mean, I'm not talking about

614
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,559
details or gory details or something, but about how they

615
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,800
viewed life. And it was very important to them that

616
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:42,719
they came out of this alien abduction situation feeling actually

617
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,400
like they had had a beneficial experience. And then as

618
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,480
soon as you know, they got done telling their tale,

619
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,559
they thanked us and they walked away, and Ron and

620
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:56,719
I went back to discussing the book simulation. But I

621
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,679
came away from that and Ron has had similar experiences

622
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,320
with people who come up to him talk about bigfoot

623
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,719
sightings or UFOs, that these people aren't making it up.

624
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,119
So when they're traveling on the astral plane or they're

625
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,639
seeing bigfoot or something, this is very real to them.

626
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,800
It is something that really has happened, and it's not

627
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,920
a psychotic break. It's a real happening for them.

628
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: I think when people come on my show, when I

629
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,960
interview everyone, I'm not trying to prove or disprove anybody.

630
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:34,960
I think everyone that comes on here believes what they're

631
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,480
telling me. And I try and remain skeptic too, like

632
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:41,639
you mentioned earlier, like your Skepta, I've had experiences and

633
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:43,079
I try and write them all off. I try and

634
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,320
explain them. That's the reason I made a documentary is

635
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,039
because I want to know what happened to me, and

636
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:52,320
I'm still looking for answers because for me, I'm kind

637
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,639
of one of those people that was like I'm I

638
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:56,360
didn't believe in a lot of this stuff. But the

639
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,280
more I've experienced in life, I've now went from being

640
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,280
skeptic too. I believe that there's something really going on

641
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,239
and I can't explain it. But I think when people

642
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,480
come on here. When they're explaining what happened to them,

643
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:12,039
they one are telling the truth, like they did experience something.

644
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:16,480
But I'm of the side of, well, maybe it's not

645
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:18,639
exactly like they saw big Foot, but kind of like

646
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:20,800
what we were talking about before. It's a bigfoot to them,

647
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:24,760
But what if it's something else that they had seen

648
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,760
In those four reasons, I feel like anyone that has

649
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,320
these experiences, they're usually a reason why they have them.

650
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, So one of the ways to look at this

651
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,679
is that people are taking seriously that there's quite a

652
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:42,719
few of these different states of consciousness. People who are

653
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,760
on Who's enogenics, you know, they have variety of different

654
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,400
experiences that they talk about.

655
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:50,679
Speaker 4: We have dreams.

656
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,639
Speaker 5: There's a hypnogogic state in the states between between awake

657
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,320
in a sleep where you're like in a theater of

658
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,960
action and people show up there.

659
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:04,519
Speaker 4: You know.

660
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,679
Speaker 5: There are people that travel they ask to planes, what

661
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:14,599
dear death experiences? They have different consciousness experiences. There's many

662
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:19,559
of these types of things, not just one that seemed

663
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,719
as human beings seem to be capable of experiencing one

664
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,119
way or another. Mark and I do flow practices based

665
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,679
on simple martial arts, and we get into a state

666
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,840
where the doer is gone, there's no self anymore.

667
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,679
Speaker 4: Everything works out wonderful. In a number of cases.

668
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:43,519
Speaker 5: When I was in that state, my body returns to

669
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,679
my twenty five version of my body and I move

670
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,960
freely in a way that's just not possible normally. I

671
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,119
mean recently, I was at a place where they where

672
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:58,559
we were walking this place in Wisconsin where the Beasts

673
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,519
of Very Road is, and I slipped into that state.

674
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,679
And usually I'm the line, you know, because I'm old,

675
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,760
and all of a sudden, I was totally free. I

676
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,920
just charged a long way ahead of everybody else. And

677
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,719
they said what was going on? I just said, well,

678
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,480
I got into the state. So that's another state. And Mark,

679
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:20,400
Mark's familiar with that state because we were basically there's

680
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,280
a when I say we, there's a situational awareness and

681
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,000
in a kind of power that's that can just not

682
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,320
kill anybody instantaneously in that state because there's no self

683
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,920
doing anything, yet things get done and it's weird as hell, right, Mark.

684
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we were training with a friend of ours, Dmitri,

685
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:49,840
and I was attacking Dmitri, and he put himself in

686
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,000
that state, and I would say that Dmitri touched me

687
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,840
with all the power that you you stick your finger

688
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,760
into cotton candy, I mean, and you know you would

689
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:03,599
TI can stick your finger in without cotton candy, without

690
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:10,519
very much power. And I remember that as I was

691
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,639
falling backwards, I was thinking, oh, I can get my balance,

692
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:18,480
and suddenly there was no earth beneath me. So whatever

693
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:23,480
Dimitri was experiencing, suddenly I experience. And I'm like, I'm

694
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,119
I don't know how I'm going to I don't know

695
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:28,039
how I'm going to land because there's nothing beneath me.

696
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,519
And then I hit the ground and it's like I

697
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:33,880
come out of that state. Dmitri comes over and helps

698
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:41,719
me up. But these flow states are not about being successful.

699
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:46,119
They're about being in the moment, being in the now,

700
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,239
and whatever happens is successful. That might be one way

701
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,119
of saying it, but I don't like that term. Whatever

702
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:55,960
happens happens, and there's no goodness to it, there's no

703
00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:00,079
evil to it. There's just simply what is happening.

704
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: And there's no mark and there's no run.

705
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

706
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,039
Speaker 5: There's a variety of these things, and people are coming

707
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,039
forward and beginning to see that there is a big

708
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:16,159
variety of different consciousness states, and it certainly means that

709
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,039
we as humans are much more unique than we ever

710
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:19,679
thought we were.

711
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:27,519
Speaker 3: I do have a question, and the footprint on your

712
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,559
wall besides you, has got me thinking about this. If

713
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:37,599
these bigfoot creatures or whatever we're seeing are more of

714
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,480
a spiritual type thing, how does stuff like that leave

715
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:45,119
a footprint or some sort of physical evidence if they're

716
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,360
not necessarily a physical being.

717
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 5: So there's something really powerful behind that, right m Something

718
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,360
really strange that we can't figure out, because you know,

719
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:05,079
people have reported seeing a bigfoot and then it disappears

720
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,360
and they go find the print I mean before their eyes.

721
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,159
I mean I've talked to multiple people who have had

722
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:17,199
that experience. So, you know, the tic TACs, they're they're

723
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,360
they're impossible, going to the way we think, but yet

724
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,480
they were there, so they they have a physical effect

725
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:28,920
on they're creating a you know, a thermal image, you know,

726
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,239
which is you got to be kind of physical to

727
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,719
do that, like the ones we captured. Yet they're doing

728
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:43,360
things that are would normally be impossible. So this, whatever

729
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,960
they say, is allows for that to happen and you know,

730
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,119
that's not normally that we can think about something. Right,

731
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,800
If they're just spirits not to float around in our minds,

732
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,559
they're not going to you know, people have you know,

733
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:02,360
telekinesis in a way is kind of that, right? Do

734
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,559
you have your mind and you kill a goat by

735
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,360
thinking about it?

736
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 4: Different? Is it?

737
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's nothing there to look at. I

738
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,639
don't think when when the telekinesis is taking place and

739
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:21,199
then there's a result. Yet there's probably an experiences of

740
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,840
the person who's doing that, has it has its own

741
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:30,400
or her own experience of doing something right or something's

742
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,079
happening that there's an awareness of it, not random. Somebody said,

743
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,039
you know, kill the goat.

744
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,519
Speaker 3: My concern with that is if they're able to kill

745
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:41,840
the goat, where's a stop at from there? Does that

746
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,599
means someone could be out there just anywhere deciding they're

747
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:48,519
going to kill any sort of person just from thinking

748
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:49,000
about it.

749
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 4: Well, it's only just possible, doesn't it.

750
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. The reality is, and people have said this before

751
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:02,039
and asked me, is obviously when I did what I

752
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:03,880
did for my film, I was out in the woods

753
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,400
and doing all sorts of things, and they're like, are

754
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,400
you afraid of what happens if you run into something?

755
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,000
I was like, I'm more afraid of running into a

756
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:13,239
person than i am a one of these things, because

757
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,559
I was like, to my knowledge, the human is the

758
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:19,599
more of the ones more likely to shoot me or

759
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,920
kill me or something, rather than a hairy man out

760
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,320
in the woods or a dog pan or something like that.

761
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,840
I'm probably gonna have it more of a chance of

762
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,559
getting shot by a property owner or something. O.

763
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 5: Your parents were wise to let you know about that.

764
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:37,000
Is it a good job?

765
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: Well, when we talk about the footprints which you brought

766
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,719
up in ron Sex, you can find the footprints. They

767
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,000
go for a few feet and then they suddenly disappear.

768
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,599
That actually also fits in with Jacques Malet's control system

769
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:58,119
hypothesis that the mystery is there for a reason. If

770
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,920
we actually caught the big foot, but we wouldn't have

771
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:05,320
a mystery anymore. We go, aha, we have it, you know,

772
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:11,559
And but the presence has that mystery for a purpose,

773
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:14,119
and so the presence is able to manifest in the

774
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:18,159
ways it needs to manifest, including footprints which go on

775
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,480
for five or six steps or maybe a dozen steps

776
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:26,239
and then disappear. The tic TACs that appear in the sky.

777
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,880
They're zigzagging across the sky at impossible speeds and then

778
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,559
they disappear.

779
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,119
Speaker 3: Do you I don't want to interrupt, but you mentioned

780
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:40,480
tic TACs. You think it's odd that back in the

781
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:45,239
forties they called them foo fighters, like the balls of

782
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,320
light that they were seeing, and then everyone started to

783
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:55,559
call them flying saucers, which was based off of Kenneth Arnold.

784
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:58,960
I think what it was is an original depiction of

785
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:01,360
wasn't really a salt. He said it was skipping like

786
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,719
a saucer. So that's where the whole flying saucer thing

787
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,800
came about. But what we know of these crafts like

788
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,800
they've changed their appearance as we've changed our technology. So

789
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,000
the more evolved we've gotten with our technologies, the description

790
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,559
of these things have always been more advanced in the

791
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:23,519
sense they're not the same descriptions. So they went from

792
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:27,639
being the original depiction that he was like a crescent

793
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,480
shape that had like these little almost looks like what

794
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:34,320
we would call now the stealth bomber, but it was

795
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,119
more rounded in the front rather than what we have,

796
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:41,559
and then they turned into these crafts, these round the

797
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:45,480
typical stereotype type of a UFO, like the round saucer crafts,

798
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,400
and then they started to get triangular like Throughout the

799
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,519
nineties and early two thousand they were all reporting these

800
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:55,440
black triangles and everything. Now everyone's talking about tic TACs.

801
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,800
It's almost like it. The more we get into it,

802
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,920
the shape in the description of what these things are

803
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:03,079
has also changed.

804
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, getting keeps the mystery alive, doesn't it.

805
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,079
Speaker 3: Yeah. The more you start to find things out, so

806
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:13,519
you think, then it keeps on evolving too. The mystery

807
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,239
just keeps being more of a mystery.

808
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 4: So that's the heart disease.

809
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: Part of part of it is is human ingenuity, and.

810
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,679
Speaker 4: It keeps us not knowing, keeps us not knowing.

811
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:28,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you don't know something and you're guessing

812
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,440
at it, your imagination can come up with fantastic things.

813
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 4: When the when.

814
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:38,639
Speaker 1: The the Pilgrims came to the New World and they

815
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:41,360
went out into the woods for the first time, they

816
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,320
heard these enormous sounds. There's some in some of the

817
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,039
diaries they talk about these enormous, incredible sounds, and they

818
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,679
thought that there must be huge beasts out in these woods,

819
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,519
like bears. It turned out that they were like raccoons

820
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,480
because because you know, they had never seen a raccoon before,

821
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:02,159
and and so that that no was that had to

822
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:07,000
be huge. So humans imagination is great. We can go

823
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:12,239
with HG. Well's War of the World's Jules Verne, Captain

824
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,639
Nemo twenty thousand Leagues under the Sea. These great imaginations

825
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:23,440
of science fiction that happened the day the first day

826
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:26,440
the Earth stood still, I think it's nineteen fifty three.

827
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,800
Has an actual saucer, which goes back to what you

828
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,440
were talking about, Brandon, But by the time Star Trek

829
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,400
comes around, it's still kind of saucer shape, but now

830
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,960
it's got these kind of limbs on it. And then

831
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:44,840
the the Romulans have war birds that are different looking

832
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,559
and stuff. And by the time you get to Star

833
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:52,199
Trek in the next generation, the imagination has is full blown.

834
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,320
That ships can take any size shape.

835
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: If your.

836
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: A fan of SG one, some of them are pyramids,

837
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:09,599
you know. So our imagination allows us to expand the

838
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:15,840
definition of what we think is strange to from every

839
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,639
kind of everyday household items like a saucer to a

840
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:24,639
to a war bird. For a Romulan warbird, it Star Trek,

841
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:30,079
the next generation. That doesn't mean that these that once

842
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:37,960
we use our imagination to see something, doesn't mean that

843
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:43,440
that mystery is solved. If anything, our imagination makes the

844
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,599
mystery even bigger. And if we go back to Jacques

845
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:51,320
Bela's control system hypothesis, that mystery is key to human

846
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:56,119
evolution from the time we created language fifty thousand years ago.

847
00:53:56,199 --> 00:54:02,280
That's what most researchers believe is that humans didn't start

848
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,280
creating language untill somewhere between one hundred and fifty thousand

849
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:10,119
years ago. From that moment forward, we have evolved in

850
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:17,159
many different ways, not only language, but technology and our

851
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,039
religions of everything has evolved until we're at the twenty

852
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:25,039
first century. I have a personal feeling that we've evolved

853
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:30,639
for a reason. I haven't really pinpointed that reason yet

854
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:37,039
round and I've discussed it many times, but my feeling

855
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:42,760
is that the current AI technology, the LM technology, can

856
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:49,400
mimic humans so well that what if the mystery the

857
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,480
presence has been has been pushing this mystery on us

858
00:54:53,840 --> 00:55:03,000
to create a different species a a silicon species, for example,

859
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:05,320
or something that mimics humans.

860
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 4: I don't know.

861
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,119
Speaker 1: It's just for me since I'm a writer of science

862
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:11,039
fiction and fantasy.

863
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 4: I find that.

864
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,639
Speaker 1: A very interesting proposition.

865
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 3: I saw a photo today and someone remade it with

866
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:25,360
today's technology, and the original AI photo was generated in

867
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,199
twenty twenty three, and you could tell it looked real

868
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,920
in some aspects, but you could tell from three years

869
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,559
ago that it was AI. The new photo of the

870
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:39,760
same exact thing is very hard to tell that it's

871
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,880
AI now, And to me, that's only been three years,

872
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,119
and it's getting that hard to tell photos of being

873
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:53,440
what was easily able to be detect that it wasn't

874
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,480
real to things now that they're like, well is that AI?

875
00:55:56,679 --> 00:56:02,880
You have to question everything now because it's getting so realistic.

876
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,559
And if it's that way within three years, what's it

877
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,039
going to be like in another three years?

878
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:10,679
Speaker 4: So we're just three avatars talking to each other.

879
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: Right, That's kind of That's kind of where I go

880
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,840
with it, because the whole simulation theory is actually something

881
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,400
that I kind of get into as even I can

882
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,719
answer it in like religious aspect too. There is a creator.

883
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,119
I was like, yeah, there is a creator, So what

884
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:30,840
if the creator is whoever designed what we're in, like

885
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,880
the world that we live in, our universe could have

886
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,639
been part of their engineering. So everything that we're guessing

887
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:39,599
and things that happen, and the strange things that are happening,

888
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:41,440
and there's all part of some sort of a code

889
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,679
that we're involved in this weird, strange simulation of a life.

890
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,400
But I don't think it's like the matrix. I don't

891
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,360
think we're just plugged into a machine. But the reality

892
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:55,760
is if we're able to evolve and trans for our

893
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:59,079
consciousness or whatever our energy and travel around and do

894
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:02,039
all these other things, it's almost like you're upgrading. Like

895
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:03,840
you said, when you go into these states when all

896
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,400
of a sudden you have this energy where you're out

897
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,599
leading ahead of people. Whenever you get this like state

898
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:12,440
of that's not a normal thing. So how are we

899
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:15,480
able to do that? Like for most people, they couldn't

900
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,039
do some of the things that you guys have talked

901
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,760
about being able to do. So it's like you've tapped

902
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:20,400
into something.

903
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 5: So it's the opinion I have here is that you

904
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,239
get rid of the doer. The doer has to disappear

905
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:36,679
when people have these mystical experiences, near death experiences, the

906
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,920
doer the brand and the run and the mark is

907
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,719
gone and then you can call that the ego. But

908
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,360
the language part has gone too. That goes with it,

909
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,159
because that's what the language createss, the ego of the self.

910
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,360
And when they come back, they can't put it into

911
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:00,000
words because there were no words or symbols in that sense,

912
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:03,760
the normal sense. Because then and that's in the flow

913
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:09,480
state too, that the doer goes away. And that seems

914
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:13,119
to characterize almost all all these kinds of states that

915
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:18,360
are you know, even even the lucinogenics, that the normal

916
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,599
ego disappears and weird shit shows up.

917
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:22,039
Speaker 4: You know that.

918
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 5: I don't know if if you ever had taken a trip,

919
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,920
but you know what I'm talking about, the mystical experiences,

920
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,639
religious ones, the self has gone and one is usually

921
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:39,559
one no separation with God or the soul, something like that,

922
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:42,639
and there's the language has gone again.

923
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:51,559
Speaker 1: So the language is what languages explains the world around us.

924
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:56,199
If you think about a cat, the cat never tries

925
00:58:56,239 --> 00:59:02,159
to explain the world around it. Cat just sleep, gets up, eats,

926
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,119
chases mice, goes back to sleep, you know whatever. It

927
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,719
just does what it does. The cats three blocks, yeah,

928
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,960
I mean, And if you've ever taken a dog out

929
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,079
for a walk dog is all over the place because

930
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:21,159
everything is absolutely in the moment for it. But humans

931
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:24,440
are unique in that we have language, and we use

932
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:29,760
language constantly to explain what's going around going on around us.

933
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:33,000
So right now, each of our brains is looking at

934
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:35,440
an image on the screen. I know this is only

935
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,239
audio for the people listening, but each of us is

936
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:40,960
looking at an image on the screen, and we're explaining

937
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:47,920
what's happening through language. When Ron talks about the flow state,

938
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:51,480
when you're in the flow state, there is He's right.

939
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,679
The brain turns off the brain which is constantly explaining

940
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:59,760
to us with words and symbols, which other species don't have,

941
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,199
the only species on the planet that has words and symbols.

942
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,360
Those words and symbols go away, and whatever happens happens.

943
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,920
There's no goodness to it, no badness to it.

944
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,239
Speaker 3: It just happens.

945
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: When Dmitri touched me and I fell down, I didn't

946
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,519
feel as though Dmitri was doing something bad to me.

947
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,039
All I thought was where am I going to land?

948
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:25,239
The earth seemed to have disappeared, And I mean, I'm

949
01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:28,440
not even thinking that in the sense of how we're

950
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,320
talking here, that actually happened after I hit the ground

951
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,639
and they asked me what happened? I said, I tried

952
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:36,199
to explain it to them, but as we have found out,

953
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,440
going into the flow space, you can't explain it. The

954
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:46,440
moment you explain it it it disappears you need it.

955
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 4: You need itself to explain it. Yeah, yeah, just the

956
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:52,000
way we talk.

957
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: We had a We had a guy who wanted to

958
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,159
experience what we were doing, and he brought a friend

959
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,599
who was an actor. And I find that actors are

960
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:06,679
fabulous at learning things. They seem to just get rid

961
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,280
of their ego the moment they need to learn something,

962
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:12,440
and they just learned it. Any rate, this guy had

963
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:16,639
never worked with a weapon called a joe. It's a

964
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:21,039
Japanese staff. It's about fifty inches tall and an inch

965
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:26,639
in diameter, and we were doing a flow state exercise

966
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:31,639
with that. He'd never done this before, but he went

967
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:36,440
into that flow state and he was working with I

968
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,239
think it was with Dimitri. At any rate, we watched him.

969
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,679
He was perfectly in sync. Now, Dmitri is an expert

970
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:47,719
with the joe, knows how to use it. This guy

971
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,719
had no idea how to use the joint, never used

972
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:54,280
one before. But suddenly he's in complete sink sink with

973
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:58,840
Dmitri and they're moving effortlessly around each other. He puts

974
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,280
the joe down. They stop. The guy puts the joe down.

975
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,440
He looks at us and he starts crying because he'd

976
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,960
never had that experience before and he couldn't explain it.

977
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:11,119
Speaker 5: So he wanted to have this experience for a long

978
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:14,960
time as a meditator. His name is Lonnie Woodley. He's

979
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,519
the father Hylane Woodley. You know, an a listening actress.

980
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:20,800
You know who she is.

981
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:25,079
Speaker 3: She used to the Data or was married to Aaron Rodgers,

982
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:25,599
wasn't she.

983
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 5: Well, she hung out with Aaron Rodgers. I get to

984
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:33,199
meet Rogers as the result of that that didn't work out.

985
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:42,440
Uh so, yeah, this was you know, the dissolution of

986
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,559
the self and the contact with the truth of whatever.

987
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,800
The greater truth that showed up for him was something

988
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,320
you know, seeking. But all he had to do is

989
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,360
get rid of Lonnie. And it seems like there's about

990
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,079
the movement practices that we do in are kind of

991
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:06,639
like play martial arts make it occur quicker than you know,

992
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:07,760
sitting on the couch.

993
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 4: For sure, as you.

994
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,679
Speaker 5: Can sit on the couch like he had done, you know,

995
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,599
for nearly twenty five thirty years, never had the experience

996
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:19,599
that he was was told was available to the truth

997
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:22,519
of who he is or whatever you you know, however you.

998
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,039
Speaker 4: Want to frame it.

999
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: So one hundred thousand years ago, before we created language,

1000
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,760
were we were in that state most of the time,

1001
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,360
just in that state, in that flow state, most of

1002
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,559
the time at one as a hunter gatherer, whether we're

1003
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,800
in a clan situation or a small family group of

1004
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,719
some kind, you're in that situation all the time. All

1005
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,400
the technology that we've developed in fifty thousand years, it's

1006
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,960
very difficult to get into that into that state. You're

1007
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,639
driving in your car, you're going to the bank, you're

1008
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:08,719
this technology makes it very difficult to get into that

1009
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,400
flow state. So that's what makes it so unique to us. Now,

1010
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:18,639
it's not that unique to a person who like a

1011
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:23,719
hutter gatherer in the in the Uh, in the Amazon.

1012
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:28,760
They become one with that forest in that moment. There

1013
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,239
is no thinking of, oh, I'm going to have a

1014
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,719
huge meal when I catch this this deer. No, they're

1015
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,280
just simply in that moment.

1016
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 5: So there's there's a research now suggesting that Brandon and

1017
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,960
your Mark, we're in that state when you were children,

1018
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,679
before you knew language, m hm, that you're you're naturally

1019
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:52,159
in that state. And but it's also the state in

1020
01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:55,760
which you just learn language. Nobody teaches it. You pick

1021
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,280
it up by hearing them, which goes to the another

1022
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:04,760
idea that the l ll M structure, that's the heart

1023
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,280
of the you know chat, JBT and Claude and all

1024
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,320
those that we have one operating too. That's how we're

1025
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,079
talking to each other. It's auto regressive in nature. So anyhow,

1026
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:21,679
perhaps you know we we somehow another we can connect

1027
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:24,480
with the time, the brief time when we were kids,

1028
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:27,480
when before we got language, when we were just in

1029
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,880
the everything was play, everything was just you know, you

1030
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:35,840
have any kids. I have four, so you know, you

1031
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,519
know there's that time when they're just three as can

1032
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:44,039
be right, Yeah, I've got I've got two teenagers and

1033
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,400
seven year old and as soon to be five year old.

1034
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,960
They're they're just transitioning out of you know, the Glorias

1035
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,639
state one's with the universe, and then of course they

1036
01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:57,800
get to be teenagers, then they get to be social

1037
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,400
animals and watch out.

1038
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:02,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a fifteen year old daughter and a

1039
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:03,760
thirteen year old son.

1040
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:06,159
Speaker 4: Oh so you know that then too.

1041
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:12,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a adjustment. We'll just say that

1042
01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:20,039
before we've been going on for a little over an hour,

1043
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:23,679
before we wrap things up. Is there anything else you

1044
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:26,239
guys would like to discuss before we talk a little

1045
01:06:26,239 --> 01:06:29,079
bit more about your latest book?

1046
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:31,719
Speaker 4: Now, I think.

1047
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: That we pretty much we're starting to repeat ourselves a

1048
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,800
little bit in terms of the Jacques Belat idea of

1049
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:44,760
presence and mystery the flow state. So yeah, let's move

1050
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,599
on to the high Strangers of Bigfoot.

1051
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: Is this something that the book? Is it something that

1052
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,840
you guys have been talking about for a while.

1053
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 5: And started last summer when I did the first actual

1054
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:09,039
control what I call the C six Protocol, and all

1055
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:16,079
this weird stuff showed up that were recorded. And this

1056
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:19,480
was a place in the Rockies that had no paranormal

1057
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:22,079
It wasn't like a Bradhaw ranch or anything. It was

1058
01:07:22,119 --> 01:07:26,199
just an area along a creek, you know, in the mountain.

1059
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,880
And then I took it to dont Shasta, which is

1060
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,840
just the opposite. It's probably one of the most noted

1061
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,599
spiritual places, and the presidence showed up in a different way,

1062
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:42,039
and so I did. I did a movie of this,

1063
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:43,880
because you know, that's what I do. I make movies.

1064
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,800
But I could not get into the historical aspect behind

1065
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,639
these phenomenas, such as the origin of music, which is

1066
01:07:55,719 --> 01:08:00,000
auto regressive. Probably these humans that developed language were doing

1067
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:04,519
music first, which is auto progressive means the right note

1068
01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:07,280
has to follow the next note. It keeps building that

1069
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,519
way because they could beat drums or you know, and

1070
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:16,640
that and trace these histories of the mystery how the

1071
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,279
paradigm shifts along for the next innovation and technology and

1072
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:23,720
a new paradigm shift and you get new instruments, and

1073
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,159
then it shifts again. And so the book really expands

1074
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:30,239
on that whole aspect, plus also telling the story of

1075
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:34,439
what happened at these two sites. That's kind of the essence.

1076
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:40,239
You can watch the movie on YouTube, you know, High

1077
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:44,920
Strange is a big foot and last I checked, there's

1078
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,760
over eighty thousand views on it, which is.

1079
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 4: Pretty good for a couple of weeks.

1080
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 5: And then the book has got the same title and

1081
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,000
you can find it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble,

1082
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,000
all those good places.

1083
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,199
Speaker 3: Make sure to include links in the show notes for

1084
01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:03,479
anyone listening.

1085
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 4: That would be really good.

1086
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:05,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1087
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: So Ron has the actual experimental experience, and he came

1088
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,159
to me because I was trained as a historian at

1089
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,359
the University of Cincinnati. So then he asked me to

1090
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:24,760
investigate the historical aspects of the high strangeness of Bigfoot,

1091
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:29,199
where we get into the origin of language and how

1092
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:37,960
the presence manifests itself throughout history, from what I would

1093
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,600
say is to individuals for most of human history to

1094
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,479
the present day in the twenty first century, when thousands

1095
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,960
of individuals are coming forward with these kinds of experiences

1096
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:50,960
thanks to the Internet.

1097
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 5: So, for example, the Bigfoot is sort of an archetype

1098
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,760
in a way. It's the Harry wild man or how

1099
01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:05,760
very wild woman who's free, you know, in the in nature,

1100
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,319
and there's a bit of us wanting to be that still,

1101
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,840
you know, And I think the Bigfoot that we see

1102
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,760
is kind of like that, that archetype, and that's in

1103
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,399
our mind, you know, the subconscious or the collective conscious

1104
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,960
of all people. You know, there there other types like

1105
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:29,640
the father or the mother that we all share. And

1106
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,800
one of the ways the presence to move things forward

1107
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:37,760
quickly is to shift that collective consciousness archetype in some

1108
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,560
way for everybody, because everybody seems to have access to it,

1109
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,600
at least in the way some people think about it currently.

1110
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:51,479
M there's a mental aspect, not just the physical.

1111
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:52,520
Speaker 2: You know.

1112
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 3: The more I've gotten into a lot of this stuff,

1113
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,359
the more questions keep popping up. And that is one

1114
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:04,000
of the biggest frustrations I have, like doing my show,

1115
01:11:04,119 --> 01:11:07,720
doing the things that I do, and I've realized that

1116
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,119
the answers that I'm looking for, I don't think I'm

1117
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:12,199
ever going to get. And that seems to be the

1118
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:14,159
thing with a lot of people that go down this

1119
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:17,359
path is we're always searching for answers, but we're never

1120
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,439
We're coming away with more questions. We're not getting that answer.

1121
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,640
And we've talked about this a little bit earlier. It's

1122
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,279
like we're we keep evolving the question like it just

1123
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,399
we're not. It keeps the human nature to keep wanting

1124
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,439
that mystery we have. We want to solve the mystery,

1125
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,560
we want the answers, but it just keeps changing to

1126
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:35,319
keep us going.

1127
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,119
Speaker 5: That's the idea we're expounding in the book and the movie.

1128
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:45,359
Speaker 3: M hmm. I think I said, I think it's definitely

1129
01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:47,199
something that I'm going to end up checking out because

1130
01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:49,960
it feels like it is right up my alley. A

1131
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,600
lot of the stuff that I'm the path that I'm

1132
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,119
going down myself, my own personal journey. I feel like

1133
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:56,680
this is something that I can relate with.

1134
01:11:59,640 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: Good.

1135
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:07,039
Speaker 3: Well, we can probably wrap this up. But for anyone listening,

1136
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,840
where can they like? I do you want anyone to

1137
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,479
be able to reach out to you? Guys if you

1138
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,399
have anything coming up that you're going to be at

1139
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,159
or anything that you would like to let the audience

1140
01:12:17,239 --> 01:12:17,680
know about.

1141
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 5: Uh, that next conference I'm going to be at is

1142
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,960
it in all the Illinois at the end of June.

1143
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:32,640
It's the Great American Ghost Conference. Okay, do you like ghosts?

1144
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm going to send you an email with a

1145
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,920
link to my documentary. It covers a lot of the

1146
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,520
stuff we've talked about it as paranormal. It's got UFOs

1147
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,399
and it's got cryptis all in there, all from the

1148
01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:48,159
small area, so I think you might find it interesting.

1149
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 4: I'll tell you. I'll reply back with the link to

1150
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:52,800
Jensen Media for you.

1151
01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:54,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I appreciate that.

1152
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:58,039
Speaker 4: So you should come to all not that far away

1153
01:12:58,039 --> 01:12:59,800
from me. You could drive there.

1154
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 3: Do you happen to know what date it is? I'm

1155
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,640
booked on June twentieth. I'm doing an event in Indiana

1156
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:06,600
that I'm speaking out.

1157
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, if people want to read the book, they

1158
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,680
can get it through Hangar Publishing or they can go

1159
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:26,560
to Amazon. It's at Amazon. And the movie Ron the

1160
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:33,880
movie is available on all the different platforms. You're Ron

1161
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,800
handles the movie. I'm just the author or co author.

1162
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 4: On the book.

1163
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 5: I'll send you the information on that conference.

1164
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,119
Speaker 4: And Okay, you know where all Dent, Illinois is. It's

1165
01:13:46,199 --> 01:13:47,600
kind of across from San Louis.

1166
01:13:48,359 --> 01:13:51,239
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah's probably about three hours away from I'm in

1167
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,479
north central Indiana. So is the documentary available only on

1168
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,239
YouTubers and on all the other streaming platforms as well.

1169
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:05,359
You okay, well, it's been a pleasure talking to you guys.

1170
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for having us on. It's been great.

1171
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you guys very much. If you would like

1172
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,960
to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send

1173
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,840
an email to Tenfoil Tells Podcast to gmail dot com,

1174
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,479
or you can also go to tenfoiltales dot com and

1175
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,600
go to the contact section. Just make sure to reach

1176
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:29,920
out and get a hold of me and we will

1177
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,119
get something to schedule for a future episode. You can

1178
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:35,520
also find Tenfoil Tales on Facebook and Instagram. Just look

1179
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,159
for Tenfoil Tells podcast and reach out to me that

1180
01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:40,800
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1181
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,479
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1182
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,000
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1183
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:46,640
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