1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,839 Hope that everybody had a great weekend out there, and 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,759 hopefully your holiday week is off to an exceptional start. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:12,359 Speaker 2: Now. 5 00:00:12,519 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, they had a charging conference for Galaine 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,160 Maxwell on Saturday. 7 00:00:17,719 --> 00:00:18,519 Speaker 2: And at this. 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,399 Speaker 1: Conference, what they did is they went over all of 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,640 the different you know, methods for charging, the different language 10 00:00:26,839 --> 00:00:31,600 in the charges, and all of that legalese type stuff. Basically, 11 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:36,000 the prosecution and the defense got together and they went 12 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:40,520 through all of the you know, odds and ends of 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,520 the case and figured out what was going to be admissible, 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,039 what wasn't going to be admissible, and basically getting prepared 15 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:54,799 for closing arguments, which are today now. The closing arguments 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,280 should take about five hours today. And then obviously after 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,680 the closing arguments, everything's given to the jury for deliberation. Now, 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,319 we know that there's a holiday coming up, we got 19 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:10,959 Christmas coming up, and we know that these jurors are 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,640 going to get this information right before that holiday. So 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,920 I'm interested to see how long it takes for them 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,480 to deliberate here and to see how, you know, oh 23 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:25,239 a timeframe that they come back and deliver a verdict, 24 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:29,920 because you would think that with the evidence that's been 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,680 provided and then the piss poor job that the defense 26 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:35,879 has done, that it won't take long to come to 27 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:41,319 a verdict here. To come to a decision, obviously, I 28 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:45,040 think that there's enough that's been presented to indict her, 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,120 I mean, excuse me, to convict her and make sure 30 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:50,760 that she's you know, punished for what she has done. 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,760 But I wonder how long it's going to take the 32 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:57,599 jury as as far as deliberations, to come back with 33 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,480 a verdict. A lot of time. You know, nobody wants 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,040 to wait around for the holiday, right, you know, you 35 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:09,240 sit around, you deliberate for a couple of days, go 36 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:11,879 home for Christmas, come back, deliberate for a few more days, 37 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:15,039 and get to a verdict. Now again, I'm not really 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,560 sure which way it's going to go, but my guess 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,599 would be that these jurors have seen enough and they 40 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,639 don't have to deliberate for very long. And I guess 41 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,479 we'll have to see what happens today in the closing 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,479 argument portion, But my guess would be, and again this 43 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:35,800 is just a guess, that we'll have the verdict before 44 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:42,120 the holiday. So today closing arguments. The jury should get 45 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,719 the information today, they should start deliberating today at some point, 46 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,919 and then that gives them two and a half days 47 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,199 to come up with the verdict. And I think that 48 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,879 should be plenty of time, a sufficient amount of time, 49 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,360 and hopefully we all slide into a Christmas holiday with 50 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:04,199 a conviction for Glean Maxwell. That would be nice, wouldn't it. 51 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,439 But before we get there, I have an article today 52 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:12,199 from CNN that's gonna go over some of the stuff 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,039 that has occurred recently as far as the case goes, 54 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:19,840 and also what to expect today with closing arguments. So 55 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,719 this is an article from CNN. The author is Lauren 56 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:27,439 de Valley and the headline closing arguments are set to 57 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:32,960 begin today in the Gallaian Maxwell trial. Closing arguments are 58 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,719 set to begin Monday morning in Manhattan in the federal 59 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:40,199 trial of Galline Maxwell, the longtime confidant, co conspirator, general 60 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,919 all around scusbag of Jeffrey Ebstein. Maxwell fifty nine, has 61 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:49,360 pleaded not guilty to six charges, including conspiracy, sex trafficking 62 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,560 of miners, and enticing a minor to travel to engage 63 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,840 in illegal sex acts. 64 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: She faces up. 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,159 Speaker 1: To seventy years in prison if convicted on all six counts. 66 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,319 Speaker 2: I mean, what does that even mean? 67 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,159 Speaker 1: Enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts? 68 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,199 Wouldn't they all be illegal sex acts if it's a minor. 69 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,800 And furthermore, if you're enticing them to travel, shouldn't you 70 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:15,680 be slap with the man act? You know, I'm just 71 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,000 spitballing here. I didn't get a law degree or anything 72 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,079 like that overnight, but you would think that these laws 73 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:23,399 are on the books for a reason. 74 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:25,439 Speaker 2: And if R. 75 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:28,959 Speaker 1: Kelly's getting slapped with it, and Keith Rayniery's getting slapped 76 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:30,920 with it, and Allison mack is getting slapped with it, 77 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:38,120 why is Glenn Maxwell able to evade? The Prosecutor's closing 78 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,240 argument will be two to three hours in length, they 79 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,120 said Friday, and the rebuttal summation should last about forty 80 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,680 five minutes. Defense attorneys said their summation will not exceed 81 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:50,720 that timeframe. The jury will then have two days to 82 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:53,279 deliberate before the court is closed Thursday and Friday for 83 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,079 Christmas holidays. Jerrys can return to continue deliberating the following 84 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,439 week if necessary. So again again back to that uh, 85 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,319 you know timeframe, for the jurors, and we have to 86 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:08,439 be uh understanding of the fact that these are human beings, right, 87 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,959 Nobody wants to spend their holidays dealing with this nonsense. 88 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:13,720 Talk about leaving a bad taste in your mouth over 89 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,839 the holidays, sitting here going through all of this disgusting shit, 90 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:19,959 and then next thing you know, it's Christmas and all 91 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,399 your families at the house and. 92 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,639 Speaker 2: Bizarre, a world of bizarre. 93 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,959 Speaker 1: So I would think that the jurors want to get 94 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:31,399 this over and done with and get moving, and I 95 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:36,519 expect that to be the case. Pyramid Scheme of abuse. 96 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,040 Prosecutors said during opening statements in November that Maxwell and 97 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,480 Epstein used cash to lore underage girls into their Pyramid 98 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,120 scheme of abuse, where Prosecutor Laura Pomerants told jurors that 99 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,759 in the nineteen nineties, Maxwell would procure girls for Epstein 100 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,759 for sexual abuse via the ruse, the ruse of a massage. 101 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,279 And that's for sure, the massage was code word in 102 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:04,279 the world of Jeffrey Epstein and his cohorts for sexual 103 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:06,959 behavior with these girls. If they wanted a real massage, 104 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,720 come on, they would call in a professional from one 105 00:06:10,759 --> 00:06:14,560 of the sports teams. Or one of the massage therapists 106 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:19,079 that works on insert politician here. But instead they're going 107 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:21,319 out and looking for fourteen and fifteen year old girls 108 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:27,759 to come give them massages, because you know, that's normal behavior. Epstein, 109 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,480 who pleaded guilty in two thousand and eight to state 110 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:34,399 prostitution charges, was indicted on federal sex trafficking charges in 111 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,279 July twenty nineteen, but died by suicide allegedly in prison 112 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:43,120 a month later. Maxwell was arrested. In twenty twenty. Four 113 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,199 key witnesses testified for the prosecution against Maxwell, all women 114 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,199 who alleged Epstein sexually abused them when they were under eighteen. 115 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,519 Three of the four accusers used pseudonyms or only their 116 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,600 first names to protect their privacy. And you can't blame them. 117 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:03,800 I mean, when you look at the mo for Epstein 118 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:06,720 and Maxwell and their lawyers and the way they attempt 119 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:10,439 to destroy, discredit, and demean these girls, why would you 120 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:15,560 want to come out and speak publicly against them? Just 121 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,000 ends up bad for you, right ends up. You know 122 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,399 where you're dealing with a lot of nonsense you wouldn't 123 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:24,399 have to deal with, so coming out and being anonymous 124 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:28,000 for their testimony, I think that when you're someone who 125 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,600 has dealt with abuse, someone who has been abused. Yeah, 126 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,560 I think that your identity should be protected by the 127 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,439 law if that is something that you want to happen again. 128 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,319 You've been victimized enough at this point. Really the law 129 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,360 has to be involved in revictimizing you. Jane said on 130 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:50,920 the stand that Maxwell sometimes joined in on the sexualized massages. 131 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:55,920 Kate testified that Maxwell set up those sexual meetings. Carolyn 132 00:07:55,959 --> 00:08:00,199 testify that Maxwell once touched her breasts, hips, and but 133 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,360 and told her that she had a great body for 134 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:05,560 Epstein and his friends. She was fourteen at the time. 135 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,160 She said, So think about that. You got Maxwell out 136 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:13,040 here touching this girl talking about how she's great for 137 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,959 Epstein and his friends. Which is interesting for anyone who's 138 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:20,360 been following the case when he says end his friends. 139 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,399 And then you look at what Virginia has said about 140 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:27,240 the trafficking of the girls to his friends, and the 141 00:08:27,279 --> 00:08:30,600 whole mind all the pieces fit together right, And when 142 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:32,679 you look at this, if you looked at it just 143 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,320 in the vacuum, you would say, oh, wow, that's a coincidence. 144 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,080 But when you look at everything compiled together and you 145 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,000 look at all of the puzzle pieces that are on 146 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:46,240 the board. It's rather obvious that everything was happening for 147 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:50,480 a reason. These people, they had a whole entire situation 148 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,919 set up, and they had it running smoothly as hell. 149 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,279 And when you're being protected from on high, when you 150 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,600 have the kind of access to the lawyers that Jeffrey 151 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,480 Epstein had to elicit, the sort of deal that you 152 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:11,039 get when you're actually caught, well, you're looking at a 153 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,440 forty year run of molestation and abuse that Jeffrey Epstein 154 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:20,799 was on. The fourth woman, Annie Farmer, testified that she 155 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:24,200 was sixteen years old when Maxwell massaged her naked chest 156 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,440 at Epstein's New Mexico ranch in nineteen ninety six. Two 157 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:32,159 dozen witnesses were called across ten days of testimony before 158 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:36,120 the prosecution rested. In photo shown to jurors, Maxwell and 159 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,639 Epstein are seen embracing and smiling for the camera over 160 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,840 the years, including several showing her massaging his foot. Their 161 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:47,200 relevance is self apparent given the contents of the photographs. 162 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:51,399 Prosecutor Alison mo said, the relationship between Maxwell and Epstein 163 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,759 is central to this case, and it really is, it 164 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,879 really is the central pillar, right They were running around 165 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:02,200 together for all of these involved in this stuff together. 166 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:05,120 Wasn't one of them doing it, It wasn't the other 167 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,000 one doing it. It's not Maxwell taking the fall. She's 168 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:12,960 being held responsible for her part for what she did 169 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,799 to these survivors. According to them, don't you think it's 170 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:19,879 time for her to be held responsible all these years later? 171 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,399 And it comes back to that non prosecution agreement. If 172 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:29,000 it wasn't for that NPA, all of these people would 173 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,320 have been held responsible a long time ago. I'm convinced 174 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:37,279 of that. The defense rested on Friday. The defense rested 175 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,320 Friday after presenting its case over the course of two days, 176 00:10:40,759 --> 00:10:44,759 arguing Maxwell is being scapegoaded for Epstein's criminal behavior and 177 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,919 seeking to dispute the accuser's statements. Attorneys called to the 178 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,879 stand Eva Anderson Dubin, who testified she dated Epstein on 179 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,600 and off from nineteen eighty three through about nineteen ninety one. 180 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,480 She confirmed that she and her now husband, hedge fund 181 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:04,200 billionaire Glenn Dubin remained friends with Epstein through the two thousands. 182 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:08,759 When she was asked about her memory and stuff like that, 183 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,039 she said, Oh, I don't have that grade of a memory, 184 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,399 So what are you doing on the stand anyway? What 185 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,879 sort of benefit are you to anyone? In fact, I'll 186 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:20,039 say it again, you should have been on the stand, 187 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,799 but not as a witness as somebody who's indicted here 188 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:29,360 as a co conspirator. In response to questioning by the defense, 189 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:33,519 Anderson Dubin said she had never participated in group sexualized 190 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,759 massages with one of the accusers, referred to as Jane, 191 00:11:36,879 --> 00:11:39,919 who had earlier testified. She recalled a woman named Eva 192 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:45,320 had joined group sexualized massages with Epstein, and Maxwell asked 193 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,399 Friday if she had ever been involved in such a 194 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,240 scenario with Jane. She responded, absolutely not. Yeah, Oh, what's 195 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:53,440 she gonna say? Yeah, that was me. 196 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: I was involved. 197 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,759 Speaker 1: We were having all kinds of sexual trists at my apartment. 198 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,360 Here's the idea, charge these people with RICO and let's 199 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:10,320 really get to the bottom of it. A prosecutor clarified 200 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,120 on cross examination that Eva Anderson Dubin is not necessarily 201 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:17,720 the only Eva to have interacted with Epstein, suggesting Jane 202 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,080 could have been referring to someone else, and that's very 203 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,480 possible as well. Again, we know that Jeffrey Epstein and 204 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,720 his buddy Jean Luke Brunell loved to bring girls in 205 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,159 from Eastern Europe. That was their thing. They loved it. 206 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,320 They had all kinds of Eastern European models that they 207 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,200 would bring in, girls from Croatia, girls from the Balkans, 208 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:42,080 right And it was anywhere that you could go where 209 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,559 it was war torn or a place where they're suffering 210 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:49,519 in strife, or a developing nation that might not, you know, 211 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:54,200 be where it needs to be as far as economically. 212 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,320 Those are the places where Jeffrey Epstein and his scumbag 213 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,039 friend John Luke Brunell used to love to go and 214 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:04,000 bring girls into the fault. You go and promise these 215 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,759 girls a modeling gig, and you show up with these credentials, 216 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:09,120 and you show up with all of these big dreams, 217 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:11,919 and then they get to the United States and none 218 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,360 of that happens. None of their dreams come true, none 219 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:17,679 of their wishes come true. Instead, they find themselves stuck 220 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,759 at that building over on sixty six and involved in 221 00:13:21,879 --> 00:13:25,080 whatever the hell Brunel and Epstein have. 222 00:13:25,159 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: Laid out for them. 223 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,639 Speaker 1: So, yeah, I'm sure there was another Eva, But going 224 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,840 back to Eva Duben Anderson, it's very obvious that there's 225 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:38,879 more there as far as the relationship with Epstein, her 226 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:44,679 kids called them Uncle Jeffy for God's sakes, So they 227 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,879 were very very close. And the fact that Glenn Dubin 228 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,240 is being credibly accused of raping Virginia is something that 229 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:55,000 should be brought up when we're talking about the Dubins. No, 230 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,840 So basically, the defense called as a character witness the 231 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,600 wife of somebody who is being credibly accused of raping 232 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:06,960 somebody else involved in this whole entire thing. That's how 233 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:10,360 scraping the bottom of the barrel Glenn Maxwell's defense team 234 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,399 is and was when it comes to finding character witnesses 235 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:19,399 for her. On Thursday, as part of the defense's effort 236 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:23,240 to undermine the accuser's testimony, a psychologist and professor at 237 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:27,879 the University of California, Irvine testified about false memories, telling 238 00:14:27,919 --> 00:14:31,039 the court people can be exposed to misinformation about an 239 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:34,919 event after the fact and incorporate it into their memory, 240 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,600 making it inaccurate. So we've talked about Elizabeth Loftis and 241 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:43,720 her memory techniques and what she has to say about 242 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:51,279 creating memories afterwards and how unreliable memories can be and 243 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,279 all of that. Jazz and she flopped. Elizabeth loft Is 244 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:58,240 flopped on the stand for the defense. In fact, the 245 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,600 prosecution even got her to admit some damning stuff the 246 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:06,759 other way about trauma and the main body of the trauma, 247 00:15:06,879 --> 00:15:11,279 meaning the actual abuse, and how that memory is strengthened 248 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:15,600 a lot of times. So they brought up Elizabeth Loftis 249 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:18,279 at six hundred bucks an hour, mind you, and she 250 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,679 absolutely was a non factor in my opinion. The whole 251 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:27,799 entire strategy of going after the girls memories, going after 252 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,200 the girls for their personal lives and all of that 253 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,240 stuff I had never thought was going to be a 254 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,120 winning strategy. The only way Maxwell was ever going to 255 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:37,960 win in a case like this, in my opinion, is 256 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,840 if she brought up some receipts. I wasn't there at 257 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,600 this time. I had nothing to do with this. I 258 00:15:42,679 --> 00:15:45,159 wasn't even present here. But she had none of that. 259 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,240 All she had was innuendo and attempting to punch holes 260 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:53,679 in what these survivors had to say, and I don't 261 00:15:53,679 --> 00:15:59,720 think they were able to do it. Even traumatic experiences 262 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,679 can be subjected to post events suggestion that can exaggerate 263 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:06,879 the stort or change the memory. Doctor Elizabeth Loftis said, 264 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,840 and again, the goal was to try and tell the 265 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:13,799 jury that these girls are misremembering. This didn't really happen 266 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,120 the way they think it happened. And afterwards, with the 267 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:21,279 media suggesting to them that other girls were abused, et cetera, 268 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,799 et cetera, well, that made their memories different. And that's 269 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,759 the point that she was trying to get across here. 270 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,799 And I just don't think that she did a good 271 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:33,639 enough job. And as much as I've been busting on 272 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,399 the prosecution, and it's been a lot, I think that 273 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,279 they did a good job cross examining her and getting 274 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:44,480 her to admit to a bunch of stuff. Maxwell declined 275 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,600 to testify on Friday, telling Judge Alison Nathan when asked 276 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,559 if she understood her rights, your honor, the government has 277 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,320 not proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt, and so 278 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,200 there is no need for me to testify. The jury 279 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,639 was not present. So again with that, I can't even 280 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,519 understand that. Honestly, if I was innocent, especially, you better 281 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:06,799 believe I'm taking the stand. You better believe I'm getting 282 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,279 up there and telling my side of the story. I'm 283 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:12,960 not sitting around on my hands and letting uh, Elizabeth 284 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:15,680 Loftis write my fate. I'm not sitting around and having 285 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:17,319 Christian Everdell. 286 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: Tell my story. 287 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm getting up there and I'm telling everybody I didn't 288 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:24,480 do this, I didn't hurt these girls, I didn't traffic anybody. 289 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:27,119 I wasn't involved in any of this. But we don't 290 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,440 see any of that dooey. We never see that from 291 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:31,720 these kind of people. They never get up on the 292 00:17:31,799 --> 00:17:36,359 stand in their own defense because, let's be very clear, 293 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:40,720 most of these scumbags, well they're guilty, and when you're guilty, 294 00:17:40,759 --> 00:17:42,559 you don't want to take the stand. You end up 295 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:46,720 getting absolutely hammered. But if you're telling the truth, and 296 00:17:46,759 --> 00:17:49,559 you have the truth on your side, and you didn't 297 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:52,720 engage in any of this abuse, you didn't engage in 298 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:55,359 trafficking these kids, don't you think you'd want to get 299 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,160 on that stand and say, hey, whoa hold on a 300 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,079 minute here, I've been quiet for long enough, here's my 301 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,680 side of the story. I would think that the jury 302 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,000 would take note of that, would be receptive to that 303 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,519 a lot more than you just sitting around acting like 304 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:14,119 the defense hasn't made I mean, the prosecution hasn't made 305 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,039 its case because they have, even with them bumbling around, 306 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:21,799 they've made their case on the back of strong testimony. 307 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:25,920 And they're lucky they had that strong testimony by these 308 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,440 survivors because without that, well, the prosecution certainly was I 309 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,519 won't say anept, but they weren't great. There's no doubt 310 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:35,319 in my mind that they were not great. And it's 311 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,359 something I was concerned about the whole entire time. The 312 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,359 SDNY is not the powerhouse of a legal team like 313 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,519 they used to be. We're talking about the people who 314 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:49,599 brought down the mafia. Now they're all they want to 315 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,960 do is, you know, dick around and go after politically 316 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:58,119 expedient cases. And it's a joke. If this was to happen, 317 00:18:58,319 --> 00:19:00,119 if this case was happening in the old days in 318 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,680 the sdn Y, they would have came. 319 00:19:01,759 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: They would have just destroyed these people. 320 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: But unfortunately the SDT, the sdn Y doesn't have the 321 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,079 teeth that it used to. 322 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: Now. 323 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: The closing arguments are set to begin here in a 324 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,440 little while and we'll be following it to see what happens. Tonight. 325 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:19,599 On the evening update, we'll talk about what went on 326 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,839 today during the closing arguments, and we'll take a look 327 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:25,119 at some of the back and forth in the courtroom, 328 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,200 as long as there's some out there for me to 329 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:30,880 go through and put together in some notes. But either way, 330 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,359 I'll be back tonight with the evening update and we'll 331 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,319 definitely be talking about what occurred today in the closing 332 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,519 arguments as. 333 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,559 Speaker 2: We prepare for the jury to deliberate. 334 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me, you can do that 335 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,039 at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's b O 336 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:50,359 bbu y c A p U c c I at 337 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,039 ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me on Twitter 338 00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:58,079 at bo bb y underscore c A p U c 339 00:19:58,279 --> 00:20:01,240 c I. The link that we discussed can be found 340 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,000 in the description box. All right, folks, I'll be back 341 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:06,359 later on. Hope that all of you have a great day. 342 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:11,640 What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Well, folks, 343 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,839 we're here closing arguments wrapped up today, and now the 344 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:23,039 fate of Glen Maxwell is in the hands of the jury. Obviously, 345 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,839 they have more time than just the two days before 346 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,720 the break if they need it, but there's been a 347 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:35,559 lot of talk that they're going to have their verdict 348 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:41,440 rendered by Wednesday. Now, obviously that's just scuttle. But I'm 349 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:44,559 not too sure anybody knows what the jury is thinking 350 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,839 or what they're going to do. But people who are 351 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,119 familiar with the way these things go and who follow 352 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,359 these kinds of cases on a regular basis, seem to 353 00:20:54,359 --> 00:21:00,160 be moving towards this being done by Wednesday, them having 354 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,119 a verdict. Now, again, we'll have to see what the 355 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,759 jury comes up with. Maybe they'll need some more time 356 00:21:05,799 --> 00:21:09,400 than that, but I would think that if they get 357 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,440 this verdict out that quickly, that it could only mean 358 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:17,279 bad news for Glen Maxwell. And boy, let me tell you, 359 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,599 in my opinion, if anyone's ever deserved Cole in their 360 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:29,000 Christmas stocking, it is certainly Glen Maxwell. This lady tried 361 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,880 to set herself up as the victim here. She's tried 362 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,480 to set herself up as somebody who is being taken 363 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:38,400 advantage of by Jeffrey Epstein and somebody who had no 364 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:42,359 idea what was going on in the very house she 365 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:47,119 was in control of. But reality is painted a different picture, 366 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,200 hasn't it. When you look at the testimony that we 367 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:54,880 have seen from the survivors, you look at the corroborating testimony, 368 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,160 that we have seen from the other witnesses, and it 369 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:03,279 paints a very clear pick of Glene Maxwell and her 370 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,279 role within Jeffrey Epstein's criminal enterprise. This could have never 371 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,319 happened without Glen Maxwell, and that's the point that needed 372 00:22:13,319 --> 00:22:18,000 to be rammed home. And I think the prosecution has 373 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,400 done a good enough job to make that point and 374 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:27,720 for there to be convictions here. Now I'm not again, 375 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:31,160 I'm not a mind reader, I'm not a nostradamis. But 376 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:35,160 from what I have seen and from the evidence that 377 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,720 has been heard, and then the weak limp ass risk 378 00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:43,440 defense that was put on by Maxwell, it certainly leads 379 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,079 me to believe that there is an uphill battle to 380 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,279 be fought for Team Maxwell when it comes to getting 381 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:54,359 their client off. And I always figured it would come 382 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,400 down to the game of loopholes and technicalities. It was 383 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,519 never an well, our client is innocent thing. It was 384 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:05,880 always well, this trial shouldn't be happening. These allegations are 385 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,119 too old, These girls don't remember, and that's what it 386 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,799 always was from the very beginning with Glenn Maxwell, and 387 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:18,519 she's never exhibited the behavior of somebody who's innocent. In 388 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:22,240 my opinion, for all that's worth. But when you're somebody 389 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,680 who is wrongfully accused, you don't go skulking around in holes. 390 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,400 You don't hire private security to protect you, you don't 391 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,160 avoid being summoned by the court. That's not what innocent 392 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,920 people do. Innocent people want to go and defend their name. 393 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,759 They want to stand up and say, hey, look, you 394 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:41,480 got it wrong. 395 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:42,599 Speaker 2: This ain't me. 396 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,039 Speaker 1: I don't know who you're talking about, but it certainly 397 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,799 wasn't me. And we never saw any of that from 398 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,839 Glenn Maxwell. And that's why any attempt to paint her 399 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,039 as any kind of victim is just ludicrous at best. 400 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,720 And then you add on top of that already damning 401 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,559 bit of information you had, on top of that what 402 00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,799 the survivors have said, and just the ones that were 403 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:08,279 on the stand here, never mind the literally hundreds of 404 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:11,279 other girls and women who have come forward. But you 405 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:15,200 look at just what was provided here as testimony, and 406 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,559 it's pretty much clear that Glenn Maxwell was a central 407 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:24,519 figure in this and she was not just some victim 408 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,680 or some shrinking violet that was along for the ride. 409 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,200 So with that said, we're gonna take a look at 410 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,240 a Rolling Stone article tonight that does a pretty good 411 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,319 job of wrapping up what went on inside of the 412 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,240 courtroom today. Now, it was a bunch of legalies and 413 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:48,240 back and forth about you know, different situations within the case, 414 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,079 what you know, information should be included, what shouldn't be included, 415 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,359 what should be redacted, and all of that jazz. And 416 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:57,920 this article from Rolling Stone does a really good job 417 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,400 of capturing all of that. 418 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,279 Speaker 2: So let's take a look at this article from. 419 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: Andrea Marx over at Rolling Stone, and let's see what 420 00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:09,279 they have to say. Closing arguments are done in Glenn 421 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:14,559 Maxwell's case, her fate is now with the jury. Lawyers 422 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:18,319 have completed their closing arguments in Glenn Maxwell's sex trafficking trial. 423 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:22,880 In the prosecution's final rebuttal on Monday afternoon, Assistant US 424 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,279 Attorney Maureen Comy winnowed the jury's charge down to single notion, 425 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,359 referring to the four women who came forward as accusers. 426 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,000 If you believe those witnesses, then that's it. The defendant 427 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,519 is guilty, she said. And that's pretty much gets to 428 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:38,359 the heart of it, right, cuts to the chase of it. 429 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: And while I have been very. 430 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:46,799 Speaker 1: Let's say, critical of the prosecution and especially Maureen comy. 431 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,480 I am not a fan. I think she did a 432 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,799 very good job today with the closing arguments and hammering 433 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:57,960 things home. But the evidence in this case was much 434 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,920 more than he said. 435 00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: She said. 436 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: Fiery final statement, Komi tried to demonstrate why it was 437 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:06,599 nearly impossible for the women to be lying. It was 438 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,200 powerful rhetoric, but also had the effect of once again 439 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:14,160 illustrating how easy it can be to dismiss sex crimes 440 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,799 allegations even when evidence supports them. And this is a 441 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:24,960 very big important part, right, this isn't he said? She said, 442 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:28,920 I've said that for years on this podcast. There's really 443 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,559 no gray area here, folks. We're not talking about a 444 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,799 nineteen year old and a sixteen year old. We all 445 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:36,319 know that a nineteen year old dude, his brain isn't 446 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,480 developed yet. That's a gray area. This is not a 447 00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:42,680 gray area, okay. This is people in power who were 448 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,680 looking explicitly to exploit the most vulnerable amongst us because 449 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,839 they knew they could get away with it. That's what 450 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:59,000 this was. There was no gray area here. After that, 451 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:02,039 the judge gave the jerry their instructions to begin deliberations 452 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,640 and decide whether to convict Maxwell. Of six counts related 453 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,759 to sex trafficking and conspiracy for helping Jeffrey Epstein procure 454 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:13,519 underage girls. Maxwell has pleaded not guilty to the charges. 455 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:17,880 So the jury has it now right. Maxwell's fate is 456 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,039 in the jury's hands at this point, And it always 457 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:23,640 has been. All of the rhetoric, all of the talk, 458 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,440 all of the talk here on the podcast too, everywhere, 459 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,319 it's all worth about as much as your opinion down 460 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,960 at the corner store when the chips are down. All 461 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,599 that's really going to matter at this point is what 462 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,839 the jury thinks. And frankly, I think that the case 463 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,440 has certainly been made that Glaine Maxwell was a huge 464 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,759 part of what went on here and that without her 465 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:53,200 this couldn't have happened. Earlier that day, assisting US Attorney 466 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,599 Alison Moe kicked off Monday's proceedings with the initial closing 467 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,839 statement for the prosecution, Ghlaine Maxwell was dangerous, said she 468 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,400 was a grown woman who prayed on vulnerable kids. Moe 469 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:09,039 highlighted Maxwell's closeness to Epstein after her complicitness and her 470 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:12,880 complicitness complicitness in his abuse. She called the testimony of 471 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,039 the defense false. Memory expert Elizabeth loftis a total distraction, 472 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,759 noting that Loftis herself said on cross examination that the 473 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:24,079 core memory of trauma is stronger than other types of memory. 474 00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:26,319 And this was a point I was hammering home on 475 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,160 the podcast, Like you know, I was some kind of 476 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,440 genius and the prosecution wasn't going to go the same route, 477 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,680 but they definitely did. They saw the same opening there 478 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:39,400 and they punched in on it. You can't have your 479 00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:43,640 trauma specialist admit to something that's helpful to the prosecution 480 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,839 if it's a defense witness and think that's a good day. 481 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:47,359 Speaker 2: It's not. 482 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:50,839 Speaker 1: And the fact that Alison Moe brought it up here, 483 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,960 I love it, very very good job bringing it up here, 484 00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:58,720 letting the jury know once again that while her expertise 485 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,480 might be in the field, she knows little to nothing 486 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:04,559 about this specific case. And for those of you who 487 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,000 have listened to the podcast forever, you know that I've 488 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,440 really been a fan of Alison Moe as far as 489 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,480 prosecutors go, and as far as I trust any of them, 490 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,720 I've always felt like Alison Moe was kind of a 491 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,839 throwback kind of prosecutor, somebody who's looking to make their 492 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,519 bones here because they have, you know, higher visions in 493 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:30,400 the future. Epstein liked underage girls. Mo said he liked 494 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,799 to touch underage girls and Glenne Maxwell knew it. And 495 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,640 as the so called lady of the house, as former 496 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,119 employee want A Lessi had described her, Mo said, Maxwell 497 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,359 was not only aware of what was happening, but intimately 498 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,960 involved in the process of the abuse. This was illustrated 499 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,359 by the booklet of rules Alessi said she distributed to 500 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,759 how staff that instructed staff to see nothing, hear nothing, 501 00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:57,960 say nothing, and including included a shopping list of thirteen 502 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,920 different massage oils and lotions. She managed all of the details, 503 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,160 Mo said, right down to the lotions and the oils. 504 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,279 It's damning stuff. And you can see why the prosecution 505 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,039 brought some of these witnesses forward now in the closing 506 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,559 arguments as they tie up some of the loose ends, 507 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:21,000 right using Juan Alessi's testimony to you know, backbone what 508 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,480 she has to say here to prove her point and 509 00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:25,720 to drive it home to the jury one last time, 510 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,319 that Maxwell was playing a key role here. She was 511 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,160 the one getting the oils, she was the one getting 512 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,799 the lotions, she was the one getting the Massage for 513 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:40,279 Dummies books. It was nobody else. It was Glaine Maxwell. 514 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,240 As Mose spoke to the jury, her back was to Maxwell, 515 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,839 who busied herself shuffling papers and note taking for a 516 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,119 while before staring over her black mask into the middle distance. 517 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:57,559 More called the stages of grooming as expert prosecution witness 518 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,359 Lisa Rocchio had described them, and she claimed Epstein and 519 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,279 Maxwell had executed them. It is not an accident that 520 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,160 Jane and Kate and Carolyn and Annie came from single 521 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,960 parent households that were struggling in different ways. 522 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: She said. 523 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,519 Speaker 1: Once they chosen, they're victims. She said, Maxwell and Epstein 524 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,599 would get the girls alone, desensitize them and desensitize them 525 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,000 to touch and sexual activity, and then control them to 526 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,319 continue abusing them. This is exactly what we have talked 527 00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:31,319 about here for years, and it's nice to hear it 528 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:32,599 all get played out in court. 529 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: Right. 530 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,359 Speaker 1: So all of those legacy media outlets that are late 531 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400 to the party here, all of those legacy media outlets 532 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,880 that want to talk about, oh, conspiracy theories and this 533 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,359 that the other thing, you folks are late to the party. 534 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,680 You folks are the ones that were negligent in your 535 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,559 duty in educating the people about what was going on here. 536 00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:57,680 And it's kind of gratifying that you see all of 537 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,799 this stuff come out in court now, and we were 538 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,440 over the target the whole entire time. It's no wonder 539 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,200 that the other podcast, the Jeffrey Epstein Show, was so 540 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,559 highly censored. When you're over the target like that, that's 541 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:16,039 usually what occurs. Details from the four accusers testimonies had 542 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:19,519 been corroborated by additional witnesses like Alessi, three of the 543 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:23,720 women's former boyfriends, and law enforcement officers who searched Epstein's 544 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,119 house and spoke to the witnesses. Mo said, beyond that, 545 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,880 the jury had seen phone message records, the household manual, 546 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:35,160 a little black book containing victims' names, FedEx invoices, and 547 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:39,279 bank records showing Epstein paid Maxwell thirty point seven million 548 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:42,759 dollars during and shortly after the years of the abuse 549 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,759 by alleged by the four victims. She knew she was complicit. 550 00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:50,720 She is guilty, Mo said, And I don't know how 551 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,880 anyone can argue with that. She knew she was complicit 552 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,880 and she was guilty. I think Alison Mo is making 553 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,079 the argument that all of us have been hoping to 554 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,000 make for all of these years. Look, let's be very clear. 555 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:08,440 Somebody like Glaine Maxwell is use to getting off on 556 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,279 stuff like this not having to pay the price, and 557 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:16,759 now that her time has come, well there's a whole 558 00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:20,440 big problem, isn't there. Her family talks about how the 559 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,519 system is all destroyed and how the legal system needs 560 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,119 to be fixed. And while I agree with that, we're 561 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,480 going to start talking about it now that Maxwell has 562 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:35,559 been arrested, that Maxwell sitting in jail. How about we 563 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,799 talk about Khalif Browder. Because guess what Glaine Maxwell, from 564 00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:44,480 all of the evidence we have seen is complicit, was 565 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,960 complicit and was working with Epstein hand in hand. So 566 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:49,960 I don't care that she's had to sit in jail 567 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,359 for this whole entire trial. That's how it all works. 568 00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:58,799 The accusers have already been awarded millions of dollars. Most 569 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,839 said their civil case uses are over. The witnesses have 570 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,680 testified they have no financial stake in the verdict, and 571 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,440 their stories are backed by documentation and other witnesses corroborating testimony. 572 00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:11,880 She said, And again this goes back to some of 573 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,360 the witnesses that were called who were there to verify 574 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,400 paperwork that were there to talk about invoices and all 575 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,920 of that stuff. It was the foundational information that we 576 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,480 were talking about. And once all of that foundational information 577 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,360 was put out there and laid out, well, they built 578 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,679 the house on top of it. And that house certainly 579 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:43,000 seems to point to the lame Maxwell being guilty. That 580 00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,320 didn't stop Maxwell's lawyer Laura Meninger from arguing that after 581 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,480 Epstein had died, everyone lawyered up. The women's stories changed 582 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,480 over time, she said, as they watched media, shared their 583 00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,920 stories and talked with lawyers, their memories had been manipulated 584 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,000 in pursuit of money. Memory fades over time, she said, 585 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,400 It can be manipulated, and money is a great manipulator. Again, 586 00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,159 it's always about the money for these people, right, It's 587 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,599 never about the actual crime that was committed. Oh, let's 588 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,920 totally make everyone focus on It was about the money. 589 00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,719 And the only reason Epstein was even paying these girls 590 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,159 was so we had another level of insulation. Right, Well, 591 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:23,880 what do you mean, I didn't know how old they were. 592 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,719 They were prostitutes and that's what he got off on 593 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,280 the first time around this time, that's not going to 594 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,320 work out. I don't think you can't say that these 595 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:41,079 girls are prostitutes. There's no way. But when you talk 596 00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:44,480 about how these memories were manipulated and all this other 597 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,400 jazz that they've been trying to pump, I think that 598 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,559 that whole entire narrative was tossed on its head and 599 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,079 destroyed by their own expert So I think this is 600 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,880 a losing battle for them to keep bringing it up. 601 00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,840 She accused the prosecution of not presenting enough evidence to 602 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,400 support their case, and aimed once more to discredit the witnesses. 603 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,800 She called a lessi who confessed to stealing from Epstein, 604 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,760 a two time burglar, obviously with an axe to grind. 605 00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,400 She reserved particular ire for the witness known as Jane, 606 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,760 telling the jury not to be fooled by claims that 607 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,039 Jane may have struggled emotionally to disclose details of her 608 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,960 abuse over the years, noting that she had two lawyers 609 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,760 who were men and seemingly no difficulty disclosing details to 610 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,400 them during a civil suit. That is just absolutely horrid 611 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:32,760 by a Menager. And out of this whole entire group 612 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,320 of lawyers, Menager has been the most condemnable In my opinion, 613 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,039 I am not a fan at all of this lady. 614 00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,079 And she thinks because she's a woman, she can get 615 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,239 away with a little bit more. She can be more 616 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,119 aggressive with these females on the stand, and it's very transparent. 617 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,679 So someone like Laura Meninger is just a grade A 618 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,760 scumbag human being in my opinion. Now, don't get me wrong, 619 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,960 there's a need for people like her, right. We gotta 620 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,800 have people who are going to defend the scummiest amongst us, 621 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,639 because that's the way it works. We're all entitled to 622 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,119 legal defense, even sickos like Maxwell. But boy, Menager is 623 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:19,159 just she's on another level of gross. Jane had testified 624 00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:21,920 like an actress who forgot her line, she said, adding 625 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,880 that when Jane had answered questions, her body language had 626 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,239 shown uncertainty and hesitation. So Menager is a body language expert. 627 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,159 Now she's somebody who knows what body language is. She 628 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,320 went to school for that. How many degrees do you 629 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,119 have in that, Laura Meninger, My guess is you have 630 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:38,119 as many as I do. 631 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,199 Speaker 2: That would be zero. 632 00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: So why are you giving us expert opinion? Stick to 633 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,679 defending your client and save the expert opinion. Meninger brought 634 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,159 up worthwhile questions like why the women allegedly taking part 635 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,199 in orgies with the fourteen year old Jane hadn't considered 636 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:57,960 calling the police. Menager suggested this was further evidence that 637 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:01,360 Jane was lying, rather than possible evidence of additional co 638 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,360 conspirators in the abuse. She also implied a defense witness 639 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:08,400 could not have taken part in orgies because now she 640 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:10,920 is a housewife. Yeah, I mean, you know, no housewives 641 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,280 have ever had orgies. No such thing as a swinger 642 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,199 community or people who have proclivities that they like to fulfill. 643 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,960 It's all ludicrous. The whole defense is ludicrous, and I 644 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,400 don't know how the jury could look at this and 645 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,320 not find it laughable. You're going to imply that a 646 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,679 defense witness could not have taken part in an orgy 647 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,719 because she is a housewife, or that the further evidence 648 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,800 that Jane was lying because there was a less evidence 649 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,400 that there's additional co conspirators. It just doesn't make any sense. 650 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,119 It's not a winning argument in my opinion, and I'd 651 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:48,679 be pissed if I was paying the kind of money 652 00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,920 Glenn Maxwell is forget it. I want somebody like that dude, 653 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,400 Bruce Cutler, who was John Gotti's lawyer, Let that dude 654 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,400 come out and go ham. But these people, I don't 655 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,480 think she's getting her money's worth here, folks. I think 656 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,719 that they got their asses handed to them by a 657 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,440 junior squad. When Annie Farmer had visited Epstein and Maxwell 658 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,360 in New Mexico, where Farmer claimed Maxwell had rubbed her 659 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,639 breasts and showed her how to rub Epstein's feet, Meninger 660 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:18,719 suggested Farmer's arrival had been a surprise. Imagine being Glaine, 661 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,599 she said to the jurors, Maxwell gave Farmer a tour 662 00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,719 of the ranch and bought her cowboy boots to entertain 663 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,519 the child, not groomer, she argued, No, she was just 664 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,079 a nice lady, this Gallainne Maxwell, and out of the 665 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,800 kindness of her heart, she wanted to buy Annie some 666 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,639 nice boots down at the old Boot Imporium. We all 667 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:39,880 know why Maxwell was there. She was there to make 668 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,920 it more comfortable so Epstein could unleash his disgusting plot 669 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,119 and do his disgusting deeds. That's why Maxwell was there, 670 00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:54,960 point blank period. She argued that Maxwell hadn't targeted the 671 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,840 girls because they'd met Epstein through a sister, a friend, 672 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,519 a roommate, and on their own. Maxwell was too successful, 673 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,000 too beautiful, too educated a woman to fall into facilitating 674 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,400 sexual abuse for one man, she said. At the same time, 675 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:12,880 Menager said Epstein had manipulated Maxwell seeing other women behind 676 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,800 her back. Testimony had showed he had assistants send flowers 677 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,440 to other women and ordered a lessie to take down 678 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,039 pictures of Maxwell in the house when other women would 679 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:26,519 come over. Everyone knew Jepsky Jeffrey was keeping secrets from Glane. 680 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,800 Besides Glaane, she said, Oh, give me a break. They 681 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,519 were playing their hustle. They had their hustle game going, 682 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,760 and the hustle game was enacted and on and ready. 683 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,000 They were never a couple. Give me a break with 684 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:43,559 that shit. That hasn't been proven by now all of 685 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,880 the evidence we see, all of the testimony by survivors, 686 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,639 that shit was a ruse. 687 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: She asked the. 688 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,119 Speaker 1: Jury to hesitate over factors like victims changing stories, absence 689 00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:59,679 of more testimony from victim's relatives, and what the defense 690 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,440 views as a lack of evidence like no pictures of 691 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,480 Maxwell with the victims or proof that Epstein had paid 692 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,199 for Jane's summer camp sessions at interlock In, an elite 693 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,159 children's arts program to which he also donated large sums. 694 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:17,559 Justice demands you would quit, Gallaine Maxwell, She said, speaking 695 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,599 of interlock In, I received an email from somebody who 696 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,960 was poosed that we brought up the show here on 697 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,679 the podcast, or that the news brought up interlock In 698 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:28,159 in general, because you know they taught there at one point, 699 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,800 and you know this could have never happened at inter 700 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,440 lock In. My response was, perhaps you should be mad 701 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,199 at the institute and not mad at the people reporting 702 00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:42,719 on it. Comy finished out the afternoon with her in 703 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,880 passion to rebuttal on behalf of the prosecution. The core 704 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,519 of the defense's argument is that you can't believe the 705 00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:51,519 four women, she said, never mind that they corroborate each 706 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,559 other or the mountain of evidence that backs them up. Hey, 707 00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:56,800 what is Comy listening to the podcast here using my 708 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,480 rhetoric about this mountain of evidence? I'm always talking about, 709 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,039 good idea. If she's listening to the podcast, get herself 710 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:06,360 nice and caught up. She said it was absurd for 711 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,920 Maxwell to claim she didn't know her boyfriend and best 712 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,480 friend of a decade had a thing for young girls. 713 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:12,519 Speaker 2: She knew her a. 714 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 1: Boyfriend was spending time with teenage girls. She said he 715 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,719 was doing it because he was attracted to them. He 716 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,400 wanted to have sex with them, one hundred percent. That's 717 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,599 exactly why he was doing it. He wasn't doing it 718 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,039 because he wanted to hang out and talk about their 719 00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:27,840 day at school. He wasn't doing it because he had 720 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,800 an interest in their lives. His sole purpose was to 721 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,920 get them into his web and then abuse them sexually 722 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,559 and physically. 723 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,639 Speaker 2: That was his goal. 724 00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: The millions of dollars Epstein gave Maxwell wasn't just a 725 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,760 standard bank transfer to his house manager to move money around. 726 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,559 She posited, the thirty million is we molested kids together money? Well, 727 00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,400 you know what Marine called me? How about a Rico case. 728 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,480 Then let's really get it all wrapped up nice and solid. No, 729 00:42:57,079 --> 00:43:00,079 if we're gonna start talking financial crimes, then I'm here 730 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,519 for it because we could get all of these people 731 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,519 caught up in the financial web. They were all connected 732 00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,039 with ill gotten gains, every last one of these people. 733 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,559 And when you talk about thirty million, that is the 734 00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:13,880 right way to talk about it, right. Thirty million is 735 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,079 we molested kids together? 736 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:15,519 Speaker 2: Money? 737 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,760 Speaker 1: Very powerful rhetoric for Maureen Comy. Right there, my friends, 738 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,119 the similarities among the victim stories is what makes their 739 00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:29,039 testimony most credible. Comy continued, noting that three women said 740 00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,239 Maxwell had touched their breasts, and all described massages that 741 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,400 escalated into sex acts. Each witness's testimony was a powerful 742 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,199 corroboration for the others, She said. She used a dark 743 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,880 analogy of Thanksgiving memories to ask the jury to understand 744 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,400 what it must be like to try to recall details 745 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,639 of recurring sexual abuse. Looking back on Thanksgiving during your 746 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,360 teenage years, you might not be able to remember which 747 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,880 year a neighbor visited or which year you ruined a pie, 748 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,280 but you know there was turkey because that has happened 749 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,639 every time. Difficulty remembering certain things doesn't mean it didn't happen, 750 00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:08,559 she said. Carolyn remembers Maxwell as a fixture at Epstein's house, 751 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,760 like the stuffing on Thanksgiving there every time. And again, 752 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,199 powerful rhetoric from Maureen Comy, straight to the point and 753 00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:22,079 launching Glenn Maxwell in the light of somebody who is 754 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,519 heinous and pretty much at the wheel driving this whole 755 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:33,719 entire car of nightmares. Further, Comy said, the defense theory 756 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,599 that the women all lied to make money didn't make sense. 757 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:39,440 Carolyn had named Maxwell as early as two thousand and 758 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,039 seven to the FBI. Besides, Comy argued it didn't add 759 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:46,400 up that four different lawyers had begun convincing their clients 760 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,559 to perjure themselves in a federal trial and service of 761 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,760 some payments that would already be made to them, And 762 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,360 when one was working pro bono, wouldn't the women take 763 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,360 their millions and skip out on the testimony. Plus plus 764 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,599 they'd have needed to get Farmer's mom and three of 765 00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:07,079 the women's ex boyfriends in on the lie too, And 766 00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,840 if you believed it, they were risking it all. Wouldn't 767 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,639 they have told a more elaborate lie. Why would Farmer 768 00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,400 be careful to say Maxwell didn't touch her nipples? Why 769 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,280 would Jane specify that Maxwell had never witnessed intercourse or 770 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,880 oral sex with Epstein? They should have implicated her more deeply. 771 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,400 Cally argued, if these four women wanted to dirty Maxwell 772 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,039 up for a huge payday, they would have told way 773 00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:32,920 bigger lies. She said, but they testified for justice, and 774 00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:36,360 added in hopes that the defendant will be held accountable 775 00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,880 for her role in shattering their lives. And that's really 776 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,320 what it comes down to for these survivors. I know 777 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,320 I have talked to a lot of the survivors in 778 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,280 this case, not in this specific trial here, but in 779 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,960 the overall case, and that's what it comes down to. 780 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:50,679 Speaker 2: Justice. 781 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,760 Speaker 1: They have all been deprived justice for so long that 782 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,639 they're not gonna stop until they get it at this point, 783 00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,960 and this is a huch step moving forward. If Maxwell 784 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,039 goes down, Maxwell gets convicted, definitely a huge step. It's 785 00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:11,320 a familiar believe women refrain and a compelling argument for 786 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,400 why on earth these women would be here if they 787 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,320 were liars, But that's often the case. Testifying about sex 788 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,559 crimes is grueling, but that doesn't stop people from disbelieving 789 00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:24,800 victims over and over. The coming days will reveal what 790 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:29,039 this jury believes in this case, and that certainly is 791 00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,320 a fact. We're gonna know in the next few days 792 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,760 or by next week at the latest, what Glen Maxwell's 793 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,239 fate is. And after looking at this whole thing as 794 00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:44,639 a whole and listening to the closing arguments today, well 795 00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,719 at least reading about them, and seeing which way the 796 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,239 wind was blowing, it certainly looks to me that there's 797 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,639 going to be a conviction here. 798 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:54,800 Speaker 2: Now. 799 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: Again, I don't have any kind of crystal ball, but 800 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,519 it certainly it seems that we're on the path for 801 00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:05,079 something like that to occur. And I highly doubt that 802 00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:09,199 Maxwell is going to walk here, but weirder things have happened, 803 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,639 and when you're talking about the American justice system, well 804 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,280 we all know that anything is possible. All right, everybody 805 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,639 will start the process all over tomorrow morning with our 806 00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,639 morning update, and we'll keep an eye on the deliberation 807 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,559 and see what happens overnight and catch up on the 808 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,280 headlines like usual. Between that time and now. There'll also 809 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,840 be a few more context episodes that I'm going to 810 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,440 be uploading. All right, folks, I hope that all of 811 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,119 you have a great night, And if you'd like to 812 00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,639 contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at 813 00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:46,760 ProtonMail dot com. That's bo b b Y c ap 814 00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,280 you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. 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