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Speaker 1: On April twenty second, nineteen ninety two, a devastating series

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of explosions rocked Guadalajara, Jalisco. There was a dangerous mix

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of gas leaks, government negligence, and flawed infrastructure that led

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to these explosions that killed hundreds, injured thousands, and left

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neighborhoods in Guadalajara in ruins. I'm Christina and this is

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his Spooky Tales. But it's not a normal episode of

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His Spooky Tales because Carmen was too busy to record

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and I was dying. So I am featuring an episode

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from P ANDW Haunts and Homicides that I did a

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couple months ago where we talked about this terrible accident

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in Guadalajara, and the reason they talked about it is

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because Guadalajara is sister cities with Portland, Oregon, which is

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in the PNW, which is what they talk about on

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their podcast. We'll be back next week with a normal

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episode of His Spooky Tales, but for now, enjoy this

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episode with one of our pod besties, PNW Haunts Homicides.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Hi, say hello to the creepy people. Hi, creepy people. Yeah, Okay,

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that's the that's pretty much the greeting that they are

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accustomed to.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Like I haven't heard it. I have, I

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swear I have.

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Speaker 2: I know this is PNW Holmes and Homicides. It's uh oh,

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I can't forget the tagline. Cassie will absolutely murder me.

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It's P and W if you're nicety. Yeah, she gets

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mad whenever I don't say it though. I just said

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it like kind of like as a little like joke

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one time. You hard to keep saying it, and now

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I have to say it forever. Yeah, that's what Cassie said.

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So obviously Cassie is not here. Uh you never heard

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her voice yet. You can't see her if you're watching

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us on YouTube. But we have the lovely Christina.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you know what, it's like a perfect replacement

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because my name also starts with C.

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Speaker 2: I know it'eah. So we're still like CE and C.

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You know exactly. It keeps it, you know, it feels

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like it's it's all in the family. Yeah. Yeah. Before

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we get started, obviously, I want to say thank you

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Christina for joining us today. If you've been listening for

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a while, you know that she is one of our

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pod besties. She took us along for the ride to

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the Two Girls One Ghost Show. Breathe, Oh yeah, breathe.

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I forgot about that. Oh yeah, she's just like I

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just do.

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Speaker 1: That to say, what do you mean you took me

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along to the light house side I was, I was

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the third wheel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, we went to the uh the show first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where I mean, very briefly we met

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Sabrina and then of course, like you mentioned, we dragged

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you up to the point Wilson Lighthouse so that we

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could do our crossover episode, which if you haven't listened

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to that we were just talking about before we hopped

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on that. That was like a really fun episode. We're

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lucky it got made because also I was very distracted

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the whole weekend, and I fully thought I was just

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like on a fun trip because it was so much

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about Yeah, I was like, oh, shoot, I guess I

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have responsibilities and things, so but it felt like it

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was time to find something else to do together. So

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maybe after we record this episode, we'll get to work

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on planning another trip.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: I know we have. We've already talked about like as

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soon as we were done with that trip. We had

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more ideas, Parkle. We kept naming places. Yeah yeah, oh

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my gosh. But you actually have a special connection to

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the place that we're going to talk about today, which

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I didn't fully realize until we roped you into this

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with us. So because I was like, I know generally,

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but I was like, this specific city, Yeah, that is

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my hometown.

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Speaker 1: My mom's side of the family were all in Guadalajara.

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Well there's a little not a suburb, but like a

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colony that's called Sapopan, which is right by Guadalajara, like

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literally twenty minutes. So we just say Guallalahara because that's

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where everyone is familiar with the bigger city. But yeah,

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that is where I go whenever I go to Mexico.

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I'm actually gonna be there in January.

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Speaker 2: So that's so funny because I'm like trying to casually

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drop hints. I'm like, we should go to Mexico. Damn,

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well you should have just came with me. I know.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna be I go, like once they're tweaty

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you probably like to visit really often.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta see my grandma. You know the I

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Speaker 2: Okay. So actually immediately as you're pronouncing, I don't like now,

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Speaker 1: I just say every time like you pause, and I'll say.

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Speaker 2: We should just have like a hand signal because I'm

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just like guadala, I feel like somebody is like very

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very uh midwestern grandma. But no, I'm just going to

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put it out there. You have absolute carte blanche to

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correct any and all of my pronunciation throughout this because,

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as we know, unfortunately there there was an incident with

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a pew yallop that was.

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Speaker 1: From Oh yeah, I forget how to pronounce that all

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the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I hyper focus on my pronunciations, and then

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somehow when my brain spiciness, it meets the dry mouth.

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and I rarely do.

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Speaker 1: And then people are like, you said, that's wrong. I'm like,

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all right, and what do you want me to do

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about it?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I don't even say I'm sorry anymore. Yeah, I mean, whoops,

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Speaker 2: Whatever. I mean, we're all trying, right, not me? No, No,

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I mean you're making the effort. But yeah, I mean,

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on least go back and to go back and like

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apologize for something that you know you don't mean any harm.

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You're doing your best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, sometimes I mean harm. But yeah, I'll stop,

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I'll stop.

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Speaker 2: No, I love it. I'd like to encourage this more harm. Okayeah, no,

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just your spiciness. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean

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there's the potential for a lot of spiciness today because

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I'm also in sort of an adjustment period with my meds.

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So oh hey, okay, yeah, I could get robold.

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Speaker 1: My appointment for my refill, so.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta stay on top of that.

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It's rough. It's rough. So today we have an og

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member of the Patreon to thank for suggesting this topic.

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So thank you also to Aarin. I just had to

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wait for the stars to align and the dopamine to

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hit with this one. But as kids say, I believe

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this one slepts. I don't even know why I put

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that in. I'm my god, I say that though, Yeah,

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they say stuff like that. I don't know. It feels

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like in my head I'm picturing somebody cooler saying it.

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So then when I put it in my notes, and

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I'm now trying to read it. I'm like, I feel

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like a soccer mom. Should I not have said that

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established as a sister city to Portland, Oregon in nineteen

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eighty three, Guadalajara is nestled in Jalisco.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, haalisko, Okay, I totally didn't know we were

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sister saying with Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, I know. Yeah, So that was actually why

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one of the Patreon members was like, oh, I know

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about this crazy case, and it's like a sister city

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to Portland, and that's how that's our like workaround. It's

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our cheat code to go international. I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious about this case because.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of one. I'm okay, I'm excited. I

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was curious if you were going to know about this.

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I don't know, we were both alive, but I don't

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know if it'll be something that like you would really

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have like memory of Probably not. Yeah, my memories already terrible,

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So I know it's not great. It doesn't get better.

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It turns out it's worse. Yeah, not agent like a

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fine wine, the opposite. And Guadalajara is actually the capital

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city of that state. In Mexico. Fun fact, both mariachi

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music and tequila originate from there as well. That is true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so party people. Yeah, the hot sauce. Have you

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seen it? Yeah, that's like the typical when you say

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someone from Helly school, but they look like it's that

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tapat the old man on the hot sauce.

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Speaker 2: So that's hilarious. I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever, whenever they say you have a host like

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Tapatio's eyes that are Tapatios means like huge eyes because

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they say people form well at HAA and Hally school

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have huge eyes.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that holds true, Like I do have

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huge eyes. You have really big eyes, eyes.

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Speaker 1: Gigantic, but like in a good way, not a bad way,

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not in like a creepy way, like a really beautiful way.

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Speaker 2: While it's not the largest or the most major city

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in Mexico, it is one of the most populous in

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all of Mexico. And actually it rings is. And this

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this statistic, I think is only a handf of years old.

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They might have moved up or down a notch, but

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they're ranked near the top twenty in all of the Americas,

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so North and South America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty big. It's the biggest Inhali school. But yeah,

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like you said, not Mexico.

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Speaker 2: It's also host to the San Juan de Dios market.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that market is beautiful. Yeah, it's so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I grabbed a bunch of different pictures and stuff

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from the market because I'm like, that looks so cool.

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it's like part of it is outside. Then you go

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inside and there's like I don't know, three or four floors,

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and it just continues and yeah, just so much stuff,

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so much food.

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Speaker 2: Like it's just it's great. It looks like there's honestly

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everything there. Yeah, like food and all kinds of different

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like like clothing and like every type of good imaginable. Yeah. Yeah,

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but it is the largest indoor market in Latin America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's huge. It's huge. And yeah, if you ever,

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if you're in we Llalahara, you have to go there.

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Speaker 2: You have to. You must. You heard it here first,

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So put a pin in the market for now. Just

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what that simmer? Okay, fair warning, there's not really a

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smooth way to transition to this next part, just like,

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really get to rip the band aid off. Okay, I'm ready. Though,

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it seems fitting that we get into the story abruptly

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because the events were going to discuss were anything but

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gradual or subtle. On April twenty second, nineteen ninety two,

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there were a series of several explosions in the downtown

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district of Analco Colonia at.

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Speaker 1: Liss Okay, I know it happened, but I know nothing

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about it. Yeah, I'm excited. I don't Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's just that happened. There were numerous gasoline explosions in

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the sewer system. Fires continued burning for over four hours,

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destroying roughly eight kilometers or for those of us that

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are Stateside, over five miles of city streets, the most

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badly damaged being Gonte Street. Hundreds of people were injured

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and hundreds more were killed in the ensuing chaos. Though

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numerous sources speculate what exactly the tally was, my research

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indicates it was no fewer than five hundred injured and

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two hundred left dead. Wow, I know, I'm like, that's insane,

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probably a lot higher than that it usually is. Whatever

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again not exactly a strict consensus per se. Some are

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that it could have been upwards into the thousands, partially

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due to the hundreds of people that were missing in

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the immediate aftermath. So, you know, that's such a hard

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thing because if people are missing right away but then

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they're found, maybe they were presumed dead at some point, Like,

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it's not a good situation. No, not to mention that

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thousands of homes were badly damaged, leaving many stranded on

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the battered nightmare streets. But let's rewind just a little bit.

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Just days before the explosions, residents began complaining that a

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strong gas smell was emanating from the sewers on the streets,

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but also from their own residential plumbing, and it would

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progressively worsen in the days leading up to the explosions.

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The unpleasant odor left residence suffering from nausea as well

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as a state sensation in their throats and eyes in

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some cases. So probably not something pooper ree could take

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care of, right right, Smelly, but not that kind of smelly. Yeah,

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this sounds toxic, I know, but in all seriousness, the

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situation in Guadalajara was pretty alarming. Residents of the city

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were finding gasoline coming out of their water pipes in

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some places, and though city workers discovered dangerously high levels

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of gasoline fumes in the sewers, the city was not

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being evacuated. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but like literal gas was coming out of like

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the sink.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, in some places. So, and I'm going to

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talk about it a little bit more as we like

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kind of explain like the full series of events and

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more about.

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Speaker 1: Why this is happening, because I'm like, okay, but like why,

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Speaker 2: Why, but also like there's a there's an element of

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it too where it's like it's liquid but also like gases. Yeah, right,

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And I don't know. It's a really interesting aspect of

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the case to me because there were certain things that

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I was reading and I'm going, well, why does that matter?

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And I'm like, oh, because science.

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Speaker 1: Right, Historically not my best subject. I was more like

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a history English dance me too, pe.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well you had me until you said pe and

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oh yeah no that was my thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was very fit too, fit I had a

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lot of energy that I had to get out, so

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but no math and science my only bad grades.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like even math, I'm like, I can

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tolerate you. Science it's a pen if it's something really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, like like earth science, yes, chemistry hard no hard pass.

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I literally switched majors from nursing because I couldn't get

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the basics of intro to chemistry. Oh my gosh, if

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you want to one or whatever, I'm like, I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't. It's a lot. You're like, Also, when am

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I going to use this? But I guess if I don't,

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I never found out. I did not stick around to

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find out. You're like, I don't even want to know

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the answer to that. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Actually, to be fair, I didn't know I had ADHD

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back then. So I feel like maybe it would have

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been helpful to have meds. Maybe I would have finished

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it a little bit. But even then, I'm pretty sure

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I have like the dyslexia of math, this calculia, and

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so I rough rough rough all around rough times.

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Speaker 2: Well, and then there's so much of science that like

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you need to be able to do the mathing for

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it all to like kind of make I'm out.

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Speaker 1: I'm out. Are you gonna keep talking about math because

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I'm leaving?

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Speaker 2: No, there's no math. Let's get practice, no more math. Yeah,

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She's just like, let's keep this fresh, keep it interesting.

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The city's mayor was decidedly against the idea of evacuating.

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He apparently didn't believe there was any real risk of

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an explosion.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when guts coming out of sinks and there's fumes.

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I I don't know, but I could see this happening.

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I could see them downplaying everything to not like because

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then it looks bad on you, because then was this preventable? Right,

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and funny you should was then okay, funny you should

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say that.

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Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, Also, though, sir, are you aware that gasoline

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is highly flammable. It's not. It's not just highly preventable,

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but it's like it's so we're seeable. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But for some of these people in positions of power,

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the reputation supersede the safety of the citizens of whatever

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you're supposed to be caring for, like a city safe.

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Speaker 2: Right, Definitely, I feel like it makes me a little

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bit nervous going into the next handful of years. Not

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everyone thinks that infrastructure and all of our systems that

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are in place to keep society running and functioning are

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that important. And that's scary. It's very scary. While we're

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on the topic of flammability, let's take a nerd dive,

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shall we.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love these sometimes, and except when they involve math.

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Speaker 2: No math, I promise, Okay, Yeah, let's do it for science,

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and I promise I'll try to keep this part both

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the make down for me, yes, brief and relevant and

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very simple brief and for the dumb bitches please. Yeah,

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gasoline has a low flash point and high vapor density.

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It produces ignitable vapors that are three to four times

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heavier than air and can travel great distances at ground level.

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And this will be important to our story because it

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can collect in low places and cause a fire hazard,

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you know, explosion. Yeah, low places like a stewer. Yes, yes,

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I hope you can see where this is going. Yeah,

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but we're going to science some more. So let's talk

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about flammability versus combustibility. A flammable material is one that

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ignites easily at normal temperatures or immediately when exposed to flame,

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whether it's in liquid, solid, or gas form. Gasoline is

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considered flammable, so pretty volatile. Yeah, like just really want

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to drive home the point that it's like this, this

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is dangerous. Yes, yes, it has been driven. I get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I it sounds bad. You're like, this is again.

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Speaker 2: I was with you. Yeah. Combustible materials are generally speaking

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less volatile, but still require observing safety protocols such as

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storing attempts below their flash points. And that's literally the

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end of the science for now, but I will be

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delving into some interesting aspects of several engineering later. She's like, why, great,

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more science, not what I said it for. Yeah, I

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promise that's not as sleepy as it sounds, though, I swear.

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But now that we've got that out of the way,

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let's go back to April nineteenth, nineteen ninety two. That's

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when it's generally agreed that Gonte Street residents first reported

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a gasoline smell coming out of the guat Aalahara City sewers,

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along with plumes of white smoke.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, this all sounds terrible and like it could

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have been like, oh, we're noticing these things, let's take action.

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Speaker 2: Do we do something? I'm asking for a friend you

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might be able to get past the smell, but I

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have to imagine that the smoke was pretty goddamn.

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Speaker 1: Alarming, right, right, And then I combined.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this smells bad. It's making it hard

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for people to breathe. It's like stinging your eyes. It's

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like kind of a wicked combo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like all no winnow, no winn a exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: The following day, April twentieth, these reports were investigated and

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high levels of gasoline and other hydrocarbons were discovered. Keep

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in mind, this discovery was prior to an announcement being

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made that the city would not be staging evacuations. So

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they had this information and they were like nope, and

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then they did nothing. Yep, oh no, they did a

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lot of nothing. But why would they. It's not like

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the sewer system below is a ticking time bomb or anything.

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Speaker 1: Right, it sounds perfectly fine, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And also because the mayor said so, and that's that

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nothing is secure is always right at absolutely wrong. Yeah,

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our elected officials always have our best interests in art especially. Yeah.

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By ten am on April twenty second, man covers began

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to bounce on the streets this all sounds so bad.

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Oh my god, it doesn't sound like it could be real, right,

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Like it sounds out of a movie. Yes, it's like

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out of Oh my gosh, there's so many that are

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just like these crazy intense apocalyptic scenes. And that's a

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thousand percent when I'm picturing. Yeah, and thick column of

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white smoke came pouring out from the sewer system, similar

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to a pot that's been left unattended to boil over.

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Feels a little on the nose, but yeah. Five minutes later,

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the first two explosions were recorded, one on the corner

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of Cazata Indepenzia and Aldama Street and the second at

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the intersection of Gante and de Novembre. Just a moment later,

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the first emergency call was placed. The third explosion at

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ten oh eight sent a bus belonging to the Tuts

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company into the air. Oh my god, launching.

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Speaker 1: Oh bus buses are always so full that it's crazy,

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No wonder, so many people. Oh my god, this is terrible.

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Speaker 2: I know, I just like and to see the pictures.

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There were a couple of times where I was like,

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they are pictures that are really hard to look at,

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even though it's not particularly like gory. It's not like

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they're not showing anybody yeah who's been you know, mortally

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wounded in most of them. But it's just like you

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just know that that is that's what's happened, and that

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like there are people that are just like horrifically injured

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from this. I just was like, I just want to cry, man.

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So the bus that you know, was just casually flying

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through the air that was on the corner of Gaunte

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and Nicolas Bravo. I just honestly the whole time, I'm thinking, like,

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what is this a set of twister like that? That's crazy?

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Speaker 1: Just what like explosion after explosion after explosion that set

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a bus off flying and yeah, the city could have

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been evacuated or this wouldn't just wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'd love to tell you that the third

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time was the charm in this case. But there's more. Yeah,

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but I think I've led with the phrase several explosions, which,

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as you probably guessed, Okay, yeah, it certainly implies more

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than three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say a few two to three, several

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is four to five were more.

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Speaker 2: So what's the word for more than five? Oh? No,

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there was more than five Oh my god, it's not great.

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It's really it's really upsetting, like and honestly we'll talk

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about it as well, but like people and rightly so,

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they were passed.

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine like the aftermath of all this

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and like knowing that like it could have been prevented.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, can you imagine any other major city

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like if you have. I mean, we're talking about a

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five mile like area of city.

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Speaker 1: That's just like and it's densely populated.

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Speaker 2: And you can tell that in all of the pictures too,

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you can tell that. And I mean that was also

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a big part of why I wanted to talk about

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the market too, because it's always so passed.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 1: I I was just saying that. I was like, it's

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so packed, but it's so big, Oh my god, and

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it's right there.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: And then the date of this incident also coincides with

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a holiday Easter.

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Speaker 1: It was it was Easter, Okay, it was fucking Easter, okay,

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So yeah, that would have been crowded. There's also like

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a big, big church around there too, the Cathedral of Galajaa,

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So only I can only imagine how crowded. Not to

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mention the historic downtown center is always crowded anyway.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I just it just it. You just can't even

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like wrap your head around like somebody basically like thinking

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that anything else is more important than like making sure everybody.

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Speaker 1: The safety of the people, like come.

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Speaker 2: On, yes, yes, I'm like, oh, let me guess he

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probably doesn't live on Gante Street. Hmm, right right. There

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was another explosion less than five minute later on Gonzalez

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Gaio Avenue, and by ten fifteen the factory workers on

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that same avenue began evacuating the area. The fifth explosion

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was it Gonte Street and Calzata del Eercito. Oh yeah,

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just before ten thirty. Another neighboring area was also evacuated

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within five minutes. The sixth explosion occurs at the intersection

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of De Fabrero and Rio Bravo. The seventh explosion.

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Speaker 1: Every remember, I'm like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, it just again I cannot, like I don't

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even know how else to say it, but it's like

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you just can't believe that it just keeps.

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Speaker 1: Going and they're all like pretty close in time too.

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 2: The seventh explosion is at Gonte Street and Silverio Garcia.

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Shortly after additional rescue personnel arrived to aid the victims

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in the affected areas, there was an eighth explosion at

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eleven oh two at Rio Neo Avenue and Rio Grande.

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Oh my god. This explosion would initiate evacuation efforts in

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several more neighboring areas.

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Speaker 1: So after the eighth explosion, they finally are evacuating people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Eight explosions. Yeah, basically, I think it's I think the

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very very first evacuation starts after the fifth explosion, right, okay,

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And I believe that was because it was in a

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super dense.

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Speaker 1: This is the factory one, yes, one, yeah, okay, m hmm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that kind of explains it because

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00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:52,519
I feel like a factory setting is even more dangerous. Yeah. Yeah,

467
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:56,200
I mean there's not a good place to be an explosion. No,

468
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:02,599
not really, god, okay, but there is an end in sight.

469
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:08,519
The two final explosions occurred at eleven sixteen. That's right,

470
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,559
in case you lost track two at the same time. Yeah,

471
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,680
I mean they Yeah, basically it's possible that they were

472
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160
like maybe a minute apart, but I feeling with all

473
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,039
of the chaos, it would be pretty hard to keep.

474
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: Track, but either are seven and eight or eight and

475
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:27,799
nine or nine and ten like I lost, yes, Oh my.

476
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:34,119
Speaker 2: God, yes, ten mother freaking explosions. Wow, I just like

477
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,039
it kind of takes your breath way a little bit.

478
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,640
Even before the explosions concluded, people throughout the Guadalajara metro

479
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:46,039
area removed manholes in an attempt to allow any residual

480
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:51,839
gases to escape. Additionally, several neighboring areas were notified to

481
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:56,680
be aware and cautious. So there's multiple other neighborhoods that

482
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,200
they hate. They hadn't had explode specifically in those neighborhoods

483
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:05,559
or districts, but they were really concerned that it was

484
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:09,359
still a possibility, right, So I mean that just makes

485
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,640
it like an even more massive area even more all the.

486
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: Chaos from yeah, wondering, oh my god, is it going

487
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,559
to happen here too?

488
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: Exactly? I mean, can you imagine. I don't think I

489
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,039
would be able to like function, like forget forget fallen

490
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:28,400
asleep that night, you know, Yeah, I mean and this

491
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,519
started in the morning, Yeah, but in our whole day.

492
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:35,640
What time were the last explosions Just after eleven It

493
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:39,000
was eleven sixteen am. Okay, So I mean you're talking

494
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:42,279
about a little over an hour, ten different explosions, a

495
00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:46,359
little hour of hell. Oh my god. Yeah yeah, I

496
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,960
mean it's gonna stay pretty hellish for a minute.

497
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, after finding like you know, the aftermath of everything,

498
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:58,079
finding the people, the mess. Yeah, collapse buildings.

499
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,839
Speaker 2: Oh my god. There were so many collapsed buildings. And

500
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,799
it's so crazy though, because you know, again like I

501
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:10,400
haven't visited this part of Mexico specifically, but like seeing

502
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:17,440
where obviously like the blast radius, like there's a defined area,

503
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,119
like it's not just going to blow up everything everywhere, right.

504
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,400
It's so strange to see where there's like buildings that

505
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:30,160
were completely like leveled, and then like right next to

506
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,279
it is like a building that looks like it was

507
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:36,440
totally fine. Insane. I just like the stress of like,

508
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,440
oh my god, like hopefully you were, you know, able,

509
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,880
you were in one of the buildings that didn't get

510
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,160
leveled and you know, then were unharmed and like could

511
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:53,799
just start helping people. Yeah, I mean, horrific, man. The

512
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:58,759
investigation that followed the devastation revealed two contributing factors to

513
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:03,119
the multiple explosions. Okay, so there's a little bit more science,

514
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,279
but it's short. I'll sum it up for you right now.

515
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,880
So some metals don't mix, just kind of like traditionally,

516
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,319
and this isn't the best example because it doesn't feel

517
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:18,200
equally serious. But when it comes to fashion, you might

518
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,440
not mix certain patterns, Like you don't wear plaid and

519
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,599
stripes just typically, do you?

520
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,519
Speaker 1: But but like don't do that, Yeah, probably don't.

521
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: But new zinc coated iron pipes were placed way too

522
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:40,400
close to an existing steel gasoline pipeline, creating an electrolytic

523
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:45,680
reaction similar to the interior of a zinc carbon battery.

524
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:49,400
So these are the kind that we use in like

525
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:53,519
TV remotes, smoke detectors, and a ton of other stuff. Oh,

526
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:57,240
like the normal double A batteries basically, yeah, I mean

527
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:02,160
they're they're in everything. I don't know. We just we

528
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:08,680
interact passively with so many of the like different things

529
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,319
that have this type of battery. And honestly, it's the

530
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:16,720
fact that we're talking about what we view as such

531
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:22,799
a an inert or innocuous thing in that regard that

532
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,039
like makes it even more scary.

533
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, so what happens when these two meets or whatever,

534
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:32,839
Like what is a koreen here.

535
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: So it's basically creating the same type of reaction that

536
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:41,119
happens inside of a battery, and that is Listen, I

537
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,039
told you what kind it was. Okay, Okay, Well I

538
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:48,160
don't know, no, but I actually I do have. There's

539
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:53,119
like it does explain like what it does. Oh, I'm

540
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,359
not going to explain the inside of a battery, but

541
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,200
I will explain like what it did here if that

542
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,279
makes yes, okay, Oh, like I don't know how batteries were.

543
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,599
The reaction corroded the steel pipe, resulting in a gasoline

544
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,280
leak that permeated not just the ground but also the

545
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,599
main sewer pipe.

546
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:17,599
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, okay, this is the cause.

547
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,599
Speaker 2: Of it all. Yes, Oh my god. Yeah.

548
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,639
Speaker 1: You would think they would know this would happen.

549
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, I mean I would think that,

550
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:30,840
you know, people who are in civil engineering should know, right,

551
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,159
I mean you would think, oh my god, like who

552
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:39,360
approved this? Honestly, it made me look at batteries a

553
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,719
little bit different. I was like, that's what it's doing, right,

554
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,920
are the safe? The second factor was the recent rebuild

555
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:52,480
on the sewer piping when the city wanted to expand

556
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:56,440
its underground metro railway system. They were modified to a

557
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,719
U shape. Usually, sewer systems are built with the slope

558
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,440
to allow gravity to aid in moving waste through the system.

559
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,440
For the U shape that they switched over to to work,

560
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,199
an inverted siphon was placed so that fluids could be

561
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,320
pushed underneath by gravity. So we're kind of just using

562
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,960
what we already have problem solved, right well. Inverted siphons

563
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:28,440
require uniform fluid for proper operation when presented with liquids

564
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:32,280
of different densities, as was the case in Guadalajara's system,

565
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,199
And honestly, I would imagine this would be true of

566
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:42,519
any any Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's not uniform liquid, right,

567
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,320
it's yeah, because it's the sewers sewers. I don't think

568
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,800
I need to and I'm not going to explain that further. No,

569
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,760
I think we get it. I think we're good. Only

570
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,920
the densist would pass through the siphon. What this means

571
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,079
is that anything of a lesser density like air and

572
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:05,599
water would pass freely, but leave the lighter density gasoline

573
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,480
trapped and continuing to accumulate. Oh and I cannot stress

574
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,239
this enough. This is bad. Yeah, No, we're not. Eventually

575
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,599
the liquid gasoline that had accumulated would evaporate and the

576
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:25,719
sewer system filled with the explosive vapors as they progressed.

577
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:33,880
Because density, I feel like Bill Ni a little bit, Bill, Bill, Bill, Nah,

578
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,440
this science guy. Oh, don't sue us.

579
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: No, you know the classroom was going to be lit

580
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:41,639
when they like brought in the TV and put the

581
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:43,239
tape in and it was Bill, and you're like.

582
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:52,639
Speaker 2: Yesahh science. A full three days later, panic was at

583
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,039
risk of being reignited when multiple neighborhood residents were warned

584
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,119
to avoid lighting any flames as this of gas became

585
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,480
increasingly pervasive. So this is like four different neighborhoods. Oh

586
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:11,840
my god, So another massive like surface area that now

587
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,559
all of a sudden they are like in danger. Yeah,

588
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,519
could we be next? Oh? And of course at this point,

589
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:23,159
like it's three days later, everybody knows what's happened.

590
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,159
Speaker 1: Right, So what's awaiting if actually happens.

591
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

592
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: This was later confirmed to be a leek and a

593
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,880
Pemex pipe. Keep in mind that prior to the explosions,

594
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:44,280
people had been annoyed and had maybe raised some concerns,

595
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,000
but there wasn't widespread alarm because La Nogulera was undergoing

596
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:57,159
their annual spring cleaning, which is a gasoline storage facility

597
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:01,639
under the state owned monopoly Pemex. While we're on the

598
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:05,400
topic of PEMS, the public believed that PEMES was to

599
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,920
blame for the tragedy. So basically public opinion is like

600
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:15,000
buck Pemes. Yeah, common uh feeling in Mexico. Oh yeah,

601
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:20,920
Honestly I can believe it, because after researching this, I'm like, Wow,

602
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,599
we obviously like we've experienced like in kind of a

603
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:30,079
different like application, but like there have been issues with

604
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,800
you know, power lines or other like we have our

605
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,000
own issues with our infrastructure and like the utilities and

606
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,119
things like that. But I was like, damn, yeah, I

607
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:42,880
think I would feel exactly the same way for sure.

608
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: And I mean these were pem's own plumbing or whatever, right,

609
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,960
gas or whatever lines, So yeah, of course they're going

610
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,440
to be blamed. But also like somebody put those pipes in,

611
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,880
Somebody should have came and checked to what was going

612
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,920
on when people were complaining, like pemics and the government

613
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:01,920
our affault probably is my guess.

614
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean the worst part is that like city workers

615
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,679
actually went and they inspected and they were finding dangerous

616
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,239
levels and they were told to dismiss it. I'm assuming

617
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,760
and they basically and I mean it was reported on

618
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000
and like all of the local government was aware, but

619
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:24,320
they just didn't do anything. Man, I mean, if sitting

620
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:30,239
on your hands could be an official charge. As the

621
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,639
theory goes, it was due in part to embezzlement of

622
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:36,199
gasoline from the facility there.

623
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: It is, yeah, oh my god, not the price.

624
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: I know. I was like, this is I feel like.

625
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: I was waiting for something more corrupt than I'm like,

626
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,880
all right, this is already bad, but like when is

627
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,719
the corruption going?

628
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: I know, I was like, this has to be. There's

629
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,159
got to be like something that's more of a corruption angle,

630
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,559
because like, otherwise how do we get here? It just right,

631
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:02,199
like why, well, yeah, the in what behind it? Otherwise

632
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:04,519
it's just it just doesn't feel like the math is

633
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:06,119
mathing at the end.

634
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,679
Speaker 1: Capitalism, yeah, pretty much. It's like greed, Wow, it was.

635
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: It was capitalism all along, I know, synonymous with greed

636
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,679
to me basically, yeah, no, one thousand percent. It was

637
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,599
rumored that an inspection of the facility by the Attorney

638
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:25,320
General's Office was eminent and the staff was fearful they

639
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,519
could be caught with an oversupply of gasoline, rather than

640
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:33,400
face any repercussions because obviously who would do.

641
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: That, right, face accountability for what I've done? No, I

642
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,320
don't think I don't think so.

643
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: No, they opted to simply dump the excess down the drain.

644
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,679
Oh my god.

645
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: And they didn't think what could happen, what could go wrong?

646
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: Right dumping all this guys, Oh my god, I just

647
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,239
like into your sewer system, like what wow? Because I

648
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,639
feel like to me, I was kind of like, okay,

649
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,119
everything leading up to this it makes sense, how like

650
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:05,199
the reaction.

651
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: Like all right, we've got the pipes that shouldn't be

652
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,440
next to each other, We've got like this gas leak

653
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,280
thing going on that's building up.

654
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: But like what was.

655
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: The final like like the final push, like the final oof?

656
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,599
Speaker 2: Like there it is? Yeah, yeah, I wonder how all

657
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:21,719
this gas got here?

658
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: Right?

659
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,639
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Okay, I don't know if you've if

660
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:31,719
you've ever seen this, but there it made me think

661
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,079
of this TikTok that it's one of my favorites. It's

662
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:40,239
this guy just like basically he must just presumably he's

663
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,800
outside on a walk or something, and it just quickly

664
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,039
develops into a jog and eventually he's like full ass sprinting,

665
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:56,199
and the whole time he's singing. I don't want no consequence, consequence, consequence, consequent,

666
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,719
but this is this, This is all of that, Yeah,

667
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:06,000
consequences of my actions choice in me right now. I

668
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,280
don't even know if that's the right tune, but that's

669
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:09,239
now it's.

670
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,079
Speaker 1: Not coming across as Wow, look at the stuff we're

671
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:13,599
going to miss out when to Tuck is banned.

672
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: I know. According to a report by the Jalisco State

673
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:22,800
Human Rights Commission, there was a count of eleven hundred

674
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,840
and forty two homes affected. Oh my god, four hundred

675
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,840
and fifty shops, one hundred schools. Wow, I know, schools.

676
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,199
It's a lot of schools, insane in a five mile radius.

677
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, why is there so many schools?

678
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,039
Speaker 2: I know, I have so many follow up questions based

679
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,159
on the numbers and stuff. I can't help, But wonder

680
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,960
if some of that is classified as schools, if it's

681
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,599
like maybe like also like childcare facilities.

682
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: I was going to say that I think some of

683
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,360
them are like actual childcare, so it's also not just schools.

684
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:01,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, six hundred vehicles. I mean, and like you said,

685
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:04,840
it's it's five miles eight kilometers of just yeah.

686
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,199
Speaker 1: Also a wild because like so many people people use

687
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,280
the public transportation system and taxis like a ton. So

688
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,119
I'm like, I'm surprised that there's that many cars.

689
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and you know that's another one of those

690
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,199
things where you know it says vehicles that could include

691
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,679
like buses and taxis.

692
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, oh true, not like personal yeah, vehicles.

693
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we tend to think of like

694
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,639
like if somebody just says a car, I think of

695
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,840
like a personal vehicle.

696
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: But like yeah, because we have no public transportation infrastructure

697
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:42,360
in this country. So no, it's but in Laa it's fantastic,

698
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,159
except the buses are crazy, like really and it's like

699
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:50,079
it's like a roller coaster getting into the bus. Really

700
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,840
you got to run in because they're gonna like.

701
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: Run you all. They're busy.

702
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,079
Speaker 1: They'll literally hit other cars like you know to it's

703
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,800
fun though, it's wild ride, I will say.

704
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: WHOA, I don't know if I have the stomach for that.

705
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: They don't play no, and I don't have this the

706
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,159
mix to drive and while that I had out at all.

707
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,440
It's even crazier. So I'm like, I will take my

708
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:15,800
chances with a bus or a taxi, but I'm not

709
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:16,519
ever driving.

710
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds crazy. It's wild.

711
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: Also, you'll see like people on a like a motorcycle

712
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,800
and it'll be like the dad driving, the mom in

713
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,159
front holding a baby, and then like two kids hanging

714
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:28,519
on the.

715
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,039
Speaker 2: Back, like stop it.

716
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:36,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody uses car seats, so yeah, oh my gosh,

717
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,079
people still ride in the back of trucks. I feel like,

718
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,320
and that's now, so I can only imagine back then, Like.

719
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's certain things like riding in

720
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,639
the back of the truck. I feel like there's a

721
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:52,719
lot of places you might sometimes see that, but.

722
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: Like you're not going to see that driving down the

723
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:56,199
freeway here, No, not usually, and you're not here.

724
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,599
Speaker 2: Sure's not going to see five people on like a

725
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:02,159
mopad or something. Yeah, but over there you will. It's wild.

726
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,719
That's wild. The blast measured at seven and seven point

727
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,480
one according to the University of Mexico's Richter scale.

728
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,519
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, that's high. Oh my god.

729
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's not like the deathliest we've certainly seen,

730
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,599
you know, I think there have been a couple of

731
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:28,119
earthquakes in the last couple of decades that were like

732
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:32,199
a nine on the Richter scale in parts of South America.

733
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,079
But like, I don't it doesn't need to be any higher.

734
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:41,159
Seven is like that's crazy. Yeah, So there were trenches

735
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,880
up to twenty five feet deep that had been born

736
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,320
into the streets. Wow. The colonies that suffered the most

737
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:56,559
damage were the Almost Atlas Olympica and Nalco. At a

738
00:45:56,599 --> 00:46:00,800
government sports complex, bodies of some of the victims were

739
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,320
laid out on a basketball court under white tarps, many

740
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,840
of whom were older women, children. And I'm so sorry

741
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:19,480
babies that I don't even really like babies personal.

742
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:23,159
Speaker 1: They're not for me, right, But I mean any life

743
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,039
loss tragic, but like a newborn, a baby that hasn't

744
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,039
gotten to live that long, and children always it's harder

745
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:30,800
for sure.

746
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels like, you know, that's someone who

747
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:39,039
cannot advocate for themselves, They can't protect themselves, right, It's

748
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:44,679
so there's a reason they're part of the most vulnerable. Yeah. Absolutely.

749
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:51,039
Total monetary damages were estimated between three hundred million and

750
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:57,360
three billion, So wow, like that's a really wide window there.

751
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: Millions are already a lot, and then three billion, whoa, yeah.

752
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's in the fucking nineties. Yeah, keep that

753
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,519
in mind because like with inflation now, it's like, yeah, no,

754
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:20,719
for sure, just mind blowing. So surely for this magnitude

755
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,920
of devastation there must be not only an explanation but

756
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,679
also consequences accountability. Yeah yeah, and you would be right,

757
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:38,000
but there wasn't. Well, President Carlos Selinis di Gortiari gave

758
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:41,199
investigators seventy two hours to find the cause of the

759
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:48,159
blast and pledge to quote punish those found responsible. Big talk.

760
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:55,000
The governor of the state of Jalisco, Guillermo Cozio Vidori,

761
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,280
accompanied Selinas on his tour and said his government was

762
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,679
investigating possible negligence by three city officials for minimizing local

763
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,480
residents complaints about the gasmo emanating from the sewers. So

764
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,559
this feels a little bit like a dog and pony show.

765
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,239
It's kind of like they were the scapegoats. Well, I mean,

766
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,239
it's like the president is visiting and then you know,

767
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,159
you've got like the governor kind of shepherding him around. Well,

768
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:26,639
they have to.

769
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: This sounds like an extreme like worse because you know,

770
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,519
when there's earthquakes, everyone comes flying in and like it's true. Yeah,

771
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,280
but now this, I mean it's like almost to the

772
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,760
level of like some of the most devastating earthquakes in

773
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Mexico to day, Yeah, same level of like casualties. So

774
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,159
I'm not surprised by the governor and the president both

775
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:49,960
being there. I'm madrine, are those three the only responsible?

776
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,000
I don't think so, because someone else dumped all that

777
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:55,719
gas into the sewage system, Like, yeah, they probably did

778
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,320
it more complaints. Well we know they did, right because

779
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,440
people were calling it complaining and I think when done,

780
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,719
but like, they truly are not the only ones responsible

781
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:04,199
for this.

782
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,639
Speaker 2: Well, and I think in this case, like truth be told,

783
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,960
these two are like they're out kind of serving the devastation,

784
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,559
but I don't think that they're really the ones that

785
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,599
are responsible. Like the president isn't responsible for like a

786
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:25,480
local level emergency evacuation, I mean.

787
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: No, right, but him responding to the aftermath, I could

788
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,960
see why he's there, and it would be weird if

789
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,800
he wasn't there.

790
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 2: Oh, it totally would be. Yeah. And the only reason

791
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,400
why I say like that it feels like a dog

792
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,800
and pony show is because I think it's the level

793
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,559
of like almost like machismo where it's like, oh, we're

794
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:52,599
going to punish them, and it's very like it feels

795
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:54,360
very forceful, you.

796
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,079
Speaker 1: Know, oh yeah, yeah, but like someone needs to be

797
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,280
blamed and like both I mean Mexico and the United

798
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,519
States and probably a lot of places are very like

799
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:06,039
a pro punishment type place like send them, feed them

800
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:07,840
to the dogs or whatever. People say, I don't know

801
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,199
what I'm saying is right, so someone for of course,

802
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,519
I of completely understand in the present like find who's responsible. Yeah,

803
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:18,519
and all this is like being policized at the same time,

804
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:21,480
like it's a very public like you know, him saying

805
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:23,639
all this too, So yeah, I could see all that too.

806
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of people obviously were rightly

807
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:32,159
very upset. I mean people are have lost loved ones,

808
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,079
their homes. I mean just a devastating circumstance. So it's

809
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,039
like it's not surprising, like of course he's gonna like

810
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:41,599
try to take a strong stance.

811
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,119
Speaker 1: What else do you not to mention the like what's

812
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:50,639
it called projection of like it wasn't us although somebody

813
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:54,760
failed to find effects and yeah, like oh we're gonna

814
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,280
find it, but it's like Spider Man playing on himself, like, yeah,

815
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,639
the government is part of the rest this, but they're

816
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:02,800
gonna make a show out of like finding who else

817
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,199
was responsible because they don't want to be the ones blamed.

818
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. April twenty seventh, both the mayor, who would subsequently

819
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:12,920
resign from office and the Secretary for Urban and Rural

820
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,159
Development were detained on charges related to heeding the warning

821
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,440
signs and failing to evacuate the area.

822
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,679
Speaker 1: Oh good, because they should be responsible. Yeah, okay, I

823
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:26,519
totally agree.

824
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: I feel like the Secretary for Urban and Rural Development,

825
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:33,239
like that person seems like probably like one of the

826
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,440
point people in terms of like yeah, and I was like,

827
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,559
who who wasn't bezzling the gas? I mean that's Pemex

828
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:45,239
people presumably, But were they arrested? Well, it's funny, you

829
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,519
should say. Additionally, there were four executives reportedly arrested, some

830
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:56,400
with SIAPA essentially that's the local municipal water lords of

831
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,960
your just in case you aren't familiar with international utilities,

832
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:06,239
why would yeah, yeah, why would you be? And then

833
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:11,440
there were also some from Pemex that were arrested. So good, Yeah,

834
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,920
I have to say if no one is arrested for this?

835
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,079
Oh no, I know, can you imagine?

836
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't picture it being like I'm like,

837
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,360
I felt like it could go either way, like either

838
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,840
people were arrested or people were not.

839
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: Like. Well, then three days later, the governor of hi

840
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:31,119
Lusco took a leave of absence, leaving Guadalajara for Spain.

841
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,039
He never returned to his role following the tragedy. Wow, Okay,

842
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,079
he's like, I quit but first going on vacation.

843
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:45,119
Speaker 1: Wow, and never returned. He stayed in Spain.

844
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,199
Speaker 2: He may have since returned to Mexico, but okay, we

845
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,320
gonna go back to Jalisco or no, and he never

846
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,039
came back to his post like wow, And yeah okay,

847
00:52:56,159 --> 00:53:01,599
oh my god, pretty wild. Wow. Oh and remember how

848
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:03,880
I said you would be right about there being both

849
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:09,440
explanations and consequences for the tragedy. I did say that. Well,

850
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:14,519
see it's not that I lied, per se. But you

851
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:18,039
may not feel very satisfied with the end result on

852
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:23,000
honestly either front. To be honest, the Mexican government has

853
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:25,519
refused to admit fault on their part.

854
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, not surprised, yea it is the Mexican government.

855
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:32,199
Nobody it is a government. I was going to say.

856
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:36,079
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean, I would say, having covered

857
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:39,000
so many stories in Mexico, like the Mexican government itself,

858
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,920
but then you add in like it's just any government,

859
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:42,559
it really is.

860
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they're not going to take a kind

861
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,920
of Yeah.

862
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,119
Speaker 2: What's more, there are forty three thousand page report following

863
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:54,440
the explosions refused to place blame on any of the

864
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,840
executives or government officials that were initially no.

865
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,039
Speaker 1: Who got paid, who got the coin to lie on

866
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:03,880
this long ass report?

867
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 2: Yep. Not surprised, so sadly not surprise. I know. I

868
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,559
was like, oh god, she's just kind of like flipper lid.

869
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: No I expect there's this. Yeah, man, you're.

870
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,039
Speaker 2: Like, actually this fits more in line with what my

871
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,280
expectation was. I was more surprised.

872
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: Actually, this sounds about right. I'm surprised anyone was like

873
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,800
arrested at all.

874
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: I kind of was too, and maybe like in the

875
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,280
back of my mind that's sort of where I get

876
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,280
like the Doc and Pony show thing, because it's like, right,

877
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,920
it's like they they literally did that for show. Oh yeah,

878
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,920
I feel I thought at minimum it was super douchey

879
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,880
but realistically a major abusive power. Yeah, I feel like

880
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,599
we were just talking about, like you know, every government

881
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:51,719
has their thing, and I feel like, on the flip side,

882
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,320
one thing that I really hate about the United States

883
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,320
government that is super douchey and an abusive power is

884
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:03,719
they won't tell us who really killed Kennedy. Right, they're

885
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,719
basically the same thing, except casually multiplied by hundreds, if

886
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,639
not thousands of times. One of these things is a

887
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:14,039
little bit more serious. I think I really want to

888
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,400
know who killed Kennedy, but like, he's just one dude.

889
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: Do you listen to Truanon? It sounds they're a little silly,

890
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,840
but also like you should listen to their Kennedy series.

891
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,599
Speaker 2: That's good. Pemmics would make a corporate donation equivalent to

892
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:32,559
two million dollars USD. They should have given more money. Yeah,

893
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:33,119
that's not a lot.

894
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: I should have paid all the damages and more.

895
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing. That two million dollars was

896
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,760
to be split between the family members who lost loved

897
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,360
ones that day or those that were injured. So I

898
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,679
mean we're talking about hundreds, if not thousands of people.

899
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you start adding just note enough money. No, no,

900
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,119
not to mention people need to like rebuild their homes.

901
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,519
Speaker 2: Right, No, Christina, I'm gonna be honest with you, Like

902
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:01,440
I don't have a million dollars now, and I don't

903
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,800
expect to anytime soon. But I will say this, if

904
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,480
the two of us were involved in an explosion, I

905
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,400
would certainly hope that our settlement would be more than

906
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,079
two million dollars, right right, Like that's it's just that's

907
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:15,639
not enough.

908
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: No, no, for the number of people affected. No.

909
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: No, And they did that basically to try to like

910
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,639
get a little bit of like good will back.

911
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, like for a good publicity.

912
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. Honestly, it sounds like like, broadly speaking, the public

913
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,159
really saw through that.

914
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,199
Speaker 1: Oh of course, and it's Pemex, Like people already hate pems.

915
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like I said, I can only imagine

916
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,320
they did this because of the immense backlash from the

917
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:50,360
company because everyone something yes, exactly exactly, but get this, Pemex.

918
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,960
One of the driving forces behind this was the fact

919
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,360
that they were still reeling from a nineteen eighty four

920
00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:02,760
Mexico City propane explosion. Oh god, this is not their

921
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,320
first rodeo with explosions. Wow, the explosion that killed four

922
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,679
hundred and fifty people and that one they were found

923
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,480
responsible for. So they already had like their feet to

924
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:16,960
the fire.

925
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. H I'm not surprised, I know.

926
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: I was just like, wow, that makes a lot of sense.

927
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, like, of course this happened already somewhere else.

928
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: And it sounds like there were I mean, it's not

929
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:34,559
maybe something that like it doesn't get reporting on like

930
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:38,159
an explosion would, but it was very common to have

931
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,960
very frequent like gas leaks and things like that. So

932
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,199
it's like people were aware that there were issues. So

933
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,960
this last part that I'll leave you with was at

934
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,599
first confusing, especially as I came across considerable discussion about

935
00:57:53,599 --> 00:58:00,920
how not evacuating had increased civilian casualties following the deadly

936
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,920
events of April twenty second. Just over a week later,

937
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:10,400
protesters gathered outside the governor's palace in Guadalajara as another

938
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:13,960
gas leak threatened the homes and the very lives of

939
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:19,159
many more. After residents of the Alamo District south of

940
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:26,000
Reforma said they smelled fumes, Guadalajara mayor ordered the evacuation

941
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,719
of several square blocks. The area is surrounded by about

942
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:37,639
forty factories. That's a lot, including a plant operated by

943
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:42,320
Petrolios Mexicanos known as Pemex.

944
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:42,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

945
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So there was a couple of times

946
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,599
in the story where I mentioned that they refused to evacuate.

947
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:55,239
Refused to evacuate. Basically, it was, you know, from the

948
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,840
time of I think the fifth explosion, where all of

949
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:04,960
a sudden the tune is changing. And ironically the reason

950
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:11,039
why is that they finally got close to those big

951
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,280
government and corporate interests.

952
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: That's when it mattered. Yeah, five explosions, then when it

953
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:17,719
affected them.

954
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took me a while to work that out

955
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:24,159
because so much of what I was reading was just like,

956
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:26,960
they didn't evacuate, they didn't evacuate. And then I started

957
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,320
seeing stuff about like, well, wait, what's this about they

958
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,119
in the factory district after the fifth explosion, and I'm like, ah,

959
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:40,840
these dirty birdies, these motherfuckers. Yeah, I just had a

960
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,920
branch hit my window and You're like, oh my god,

961
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:49,920
what was that. Yeah, so that is the Guadalajara explosions.

962
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,559
Speaker 1: You know, I love a good corruption story. On a

963
00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:00,119
Tuesday afternoon. So thank you, I know, really cheerful. A

964
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:03,000
good way to you know, leading up to the Christmas.

965
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:08,199
Speaker 2: Holidays, just what we need. Yeah, yeah, very cheerful. Do

966
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,119
you want to stick around for taro? Do you want

967
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:13,920
to do the taro reading with me? Sure? I don't

968
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:15,800
use these ones in a while, so they needed a

969
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:22,079
good ship. Okay, I've got Tom spread out any thoughts intuition,

970
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,400
I have no intuition. I guess there it is. Oh

971
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:31,519
what is that the night of so? What does it mean?

972
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:41,760
All right? Our keywords for the Night of Swords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience,

973
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:53,480
single mindedness, and insensitivity. Am I those things? No? No,

974
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:56,159
we always we always try to see if there's like

975
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:59,800
any parallels at all to like the case itself. Some

976
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:04,639
times we do make it about us. That makes more sense. Yeah, okay,

977
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,239
I mean there's no hard and fast rules around here.

978
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:10,199
You know you've hung out with us enough?

979
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:11,079
Speaker 3: Yes.

980
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: Yes. Knights often symbolize messages or travel. Some decks, including

981
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,039
the writer Waite Smith Tarot show This night rushing help

982
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:26,639
bent toward an adversary or adventure. If he represents a person,

983
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:29,960
you know, he may be someone who's overly aggressive or

984
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:36,239
argumentative who lives in attack mode. Or he might be

985
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,480
a spiritual warrior, one who uses his intellect to examine

986
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:46,199
and purify himself. The upright Night may suggest you're passionate

987
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:49,840
about your ideas and believe wholeheartedly in the rightness of

988
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,559
your objective. If this card represents an actual person, he's

989
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:59,760
probably a young man who expresses his ideas enthusiastically and

990
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,039
may have trouble understanding other viewpoints. He has a quick

991
01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:10,000
mind and keen intellect, but may lack true wisdom. Sometimes

992
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:16,400
this night symbolizes an urgent message or an unexpected trip. Oh,

993
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,400
like to Spain.

994
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: Like the guy who left the Spain right, Yeah, and

995
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,280
never returned to his job.

996
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: I feel like this. I mean, I'm sure there's more

997
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,480
parallels that you could draw that I feel like. I'm like,

998
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:35,960
that's all I needed here, That's what I needed. Yeah, yeah, Okay.

999
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,280
In a reading about money, you may need to act

1000
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,079
quickly in a financial matter, but don't neglect to study

1001
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:49,880
the situation before making a decision too late. Yeah. The

1002
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,960
upright Night may point to a trip for financial reasons

1003
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,679
or a message about money. Sometimes he heralds a change

1004
01:02:58,719 --> 01:03:02,079
in your resources. If the reading is about your job,

1005
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:05,920
this card can represent a business trip. Sometimes it means

1006
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:10,440
a job change or a shift in work related responsibilities.

1007
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,199
Speaker 1: Say like abandoning your work related responsibilities.

1008
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:17,039
Speaker 2: Yeah that's yeah. Wow. The night may also caution you

1009
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:20,760
to hold your tongue and bide your time. Diplomacy is important, though,

1010
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:25,880
Well okay, okay, well I don't know that. I feel

1011
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,320
like the love connection bullet point makes a lot of

1012
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,679
sense for this case, but I feel like the rest

1013
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:39,280
of that felt like some of us for sure affable. Yeah. Yeah,

1014
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,360
I mean the whole thing with like the Taro reading anyway,

1015
01:03:42,519 --> 01:03:44,960
is just that it's like, you know, what do we see?

1016
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:48,119
It's like kind of it's almost like you know, paint

1017
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:51,480
by numbers, like you know what parallels we can draw?

1018
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:56,119
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, this is so much fun. Yes, thanks

1019
01:03:56,159 --> 01:03:59,440
for having me and telling me about this terrible disaster.

1020
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,519
Speaker 2: I know, I'm like, oh man, I didn't really think

1021
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:06,199
about it, but in hindsight, I'm like, sorry, this is

1022
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:09,840
something happier. I know, it's like a horrible thing that

1023
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,079
happened in a place.

1024
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: That you love, but honestly, I love talking about horrible

1025
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,599
things that happened at place I love.

1026
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,119
Speaker 2: I mean clearly me too. That's like kind of our

1027
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:22,719
whole brand. So right, yeah, but when I saw that

1028
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:28,559
you had multiple, multiple episodes about like Guadalajara, like hauntings

1029
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:30,920
and things, I was like, she can handle it. I

1030
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,400
can and I did. She can handle it. I know.

1031
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,639
I started listening through because I was like, oh damn,

1032
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:41,400
she's got I think. I was like in Spooky Tales,

1033
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,480
I was like, I think there's like three just for.

1034
01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:49,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's in that Charlone yeah alone. Yeah, it's just

1035
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,000
a very haunting place. Beautiful but haunting. So many stories.

1036
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:56,719
I'm surprised there's not I haven't found one connected to

1037
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,639
this disaster, and that's surprising.

1038
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah to me. I mean it's in our lifetime. Yeah,

1039
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,480
it's not like it happened yesterday, but I would not

1040
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:07,519
be surprised.

1041
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: A few months before in my lifetime. So what, I

1042
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,679
was born in August ninety two. This happened in April

1043
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:13,199
ninety two.

1044
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: Right, Oh my god, I forgot. You're a fetus, a baby.

1045
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,679
I'm just a baby, thirty two year old baby. Oh

1046
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:27,360
my god, Christina, Yes, oh my god. I was born

1047
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,360
in the eighties, so yeah, so you're old, Yes, I'm very,

1048
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,239
very very old to the young ones.

1049
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm old too, so it's okay, we're like elders.

1050
01:05:38,719 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: No, I know, and I could do without that. I

1051
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:47,440
don't really need that. I feel old enough when I

1052
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,079
wake up every morning and have back.

1053
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you get me started on back pain.

1054
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: So Christina, obviously we need you to plug all of

1055
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,960
the things, about all of your things, your projects. Yes,

1056
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:02,599
two shows now or do you have a show, a

1057
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:06,519
secret show that even I don't know about? Two two?

1058
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:08,719
I was like, if you start a third podcast? Oh?

1059
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: I tried, and then I was like, no, this is

1060
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,719
too much. I can't keep up with it.

1061
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: It was it's a lot of work, too much, too

1062
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:14,559
much work.

1063
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:19,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you like haunted places, myths, legends, true crime,

1064
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:22,400
then check out Spooky Tales. I coasted with my twin.

1065
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,199
We talk about all those things, but with a focus

1066
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:27,239
on Latin America. So it's a lot of stuff that

1067
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,920
maybe you haven't heard about if you're listening to things

1068
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,320
in English that happened and I don't know the United States,

1069
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,760
So yeah, that's a lot of fun.

1070
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 2: Who even cares about that place?

1071
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 3: Lame?

1072
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 2: Uh?

1073
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: And then my other podcast is called Estorias Unknown that's

1074
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,760
history in Spanish Eastorias, and then Unknown it's an English

1075
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,280
The podcast just the name is half the Spanish, and

1076
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,800
we talk about Latin American history or history to Latinos

1077
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,760
Latinus in the US, and it's like things like, oh

1078
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,480
my god, why I didn't I learn that in school.

1079
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:01,920
So if that's sounds like something interesting to you, then yeah,

1080
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:05,360
check that one out. I also coasted with my twin.

1081
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: And I love it.

1082
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: What else if you like more serious not people telling

1083
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,320
each other a story. I do produce and write episodes

1084
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,400
for Horror Story.

1085
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:19,559
Speaker 2: You do, okay, So I knew you were holding out.

1086
01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:20,199
Oh it's excited.

1087
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: I do work for Scary FIM for Edwin Yeah yeah,

1088
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:28,280
and then True Scary Story. I edit, like story edit

1089
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,400
on that one. So that's other work that I do,

1090
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,599
honestly work that I do with too much to name.

1091
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: So seriously, well, I knew about Scary Story, I didn't

1092
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:42,079
know about Horror Story. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's exciting. Yeah,

1093
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:44,239
you can tell when I took over because the quality

1094
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:49,199
just you know, shut up through the roof, through the roof. Yes,

1095
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,280
I haven't listened to the news show yet, so I

1096
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,079
have to do that. I love history.

1097
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,679
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's I mean, it's a lot of depressant stories,

1098
01:07:57,719 --> 01:07:59,559
and like, I don't know, some people like to hear

1099
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:03,760
very incited version of history where they're like, oh, this

1100
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,840
is very biased and you're wrong, and I was like,

1101
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,840
I'm sorry, I'm telling something that happened, and if you

1102
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,679
don't like what happened doesn't mean that it's biased, you know.

1103
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:12,800
And it's a lot like oh my god, I can't

1104
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,960
believe the United States they're this. So yeah, I can

1105
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,640
come off as like, oh, this is like you just

1106
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,800
hate America first of all. Yes, but I mean, yeah.

1107
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: We kind of sucked, Like yeah, internationally, we've had some

1108
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,000
pretty bad good.

1109
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,119
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, but yeah, it's like that's fair. You know,

1110
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:35,880
the Salvadoran Civil War, the Guatemalan Civil War, the international

1111
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,439
adoption in Chile and Guatemala, which has both both been

1112
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,880
super corrupt. So episodes like that, the bathriots happened in

1113
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:49,199
Opaso in nineteen seventeen. So yeah, just things that you're like, Wow,

1114
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:50,119
why didn't learn about this?

1115
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on with us and

1116
01:08:55,239 --> 01:08:58,800
doing the story with me. Thanks for inviting me. I

1117
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,000
have a crapy Yeah, say oh, I think that was

1118
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,880
pretty good. That would get to me. I don't know

1119
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,159
it did it did. As soon as we finished it,

1120
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,560
you started glitching out and you had robot voice. Oh no,

1121
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:13,319
that was so funny.

1122
01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:24,319
Speaker 1: Oh Man. As Book Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen,

1123
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,119
produced and edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen, and

1124
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,680
with the help of Don shout out with Don. If

1125
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,800
you aren't enjoying the podcast considerably, going to say five

1126
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,039
star review, we would really appreciate it. If you don't

1127
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:36,760
want to the a five star review, just don't leave

1128
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,840
a review. But don't leave anything lower than that, please,

1129
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,199
I'm just kidding. You can reach out to the podcast

1130
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,399
at at s Booktees at gmail dot com. You can

1131
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,039
go to our website at bookitos dot com and fill

1132
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:48,720
out the contact form. If you want to support the podcast,

1133
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,239
you can join our Patreon where we send exclusive stickers,

1134
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,119
have bonus episodes. Eight dollar members get an exclusive key chain.

1135
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,520
It's super cool. I got new ones and these ones

1136
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,000
are huge. And if you you want to support but

1137
01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:03,119
you can or don't want to join the patreon, that's

1138
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:06,119
fine too. You can also get some merch you can

1139
01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:09,439
find shurets to say a spooky and old English letters.

1140
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,239
Speaker 2: There's a beanie. I love the beanie.

1141
01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: There's also a hat. There's a no Mamus shirt, which

1142
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,439
is a fan favorite. There's a lot of options, crap tops, sweaters,

1143
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,159
it's almost swetter weather. We're nearing a spookie season, so yeah,

1144
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:25,319
get your hoodies. You're gonna need them. If you don't

1145
01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:27,239
want to do all that, that's fine too. You can

1146
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:29,800
just listen like you're listening now, and that's the best

1147
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,640
support that you can give us. Like I always say

1148
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,359
in our ad break and yeah, if you like history,

1149
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:39,119
you can follow Estoia's Unknown Mining, Carmen's other podcasts, and

1150
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,319
you can find as Spooky tails on all of our

1151
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:44,680
socials at Spooky Tells All. This is in the show

1152
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,680
notes and we appreciate every single listen.

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01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Stay as Spooky