Speaker 1: On April twenty second, nineteen ninety two, a devastating series
of explosions rocked Guadalajara, Jalisco. There was a dangerous mix
of gas leaks, government negligence, and flawed infrastructure that led
to these explosions that killed hundreds, injured thousands, and left
neighborhoods in Guadalajara in ruins. I'm Christina and this is
his Spooky Tales. But it's not a normal episode of
His Spooky Tales because Carmen was too busy to record
and I was dying. So I am featuring an episode
from P ANDW Haunts and Homicides that I did a
couple months ago where we talked about this terrible accident
in Guadalajara, and the reason they talked about it is
because Guadalajara is sister cities with Portland, Oregon, which is
in the PNW, which is what they talk about on
their podcast. We'll be back next week with a normal
episode of His Spooky Tales, but for now, enjoy this
episode with one of our pod besties, PNW Haunts Homicides.
Speaker 2: Hi. Hi, say hello to the creepy people. Hi, creepy people. Yeah, Okay,
that's the that's pretty much the greeting that they are
accustomed to.
Speaker 1: That's true. Like I haven't heard it. I have, I
swear I have.
Speaker 2: I know this is PNW Holmes and Homicides. It's uh oh,
I can't forget the tagline. Cassie will absolutely murder me.
It's P and W if you're nicety. Yeah, she gets
mad whenever I don't say it though. I just said
it like kind of like as a little like joke
one time. You hard to keep saying it, and now
I have to say it forever. Yeah, that's what Cassie said.
So obviously Cassie is not here. Uh you never heard
her voice yet. You can't see her if you're watching
us on YouTube. But we have the lovely Christina.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know what, it's like a perfect replacement
because my name also starts with C.
Speaker 2: I know it'eah. So we're still like CE and C.
You know exactly. It keeps it, you know, it feels
like it's it's all in the family. Yeah. Yeah. Before
we get started, obviously, I want to say thank you
Christina for joining us today. If you've been listening for
a while, you know that she is one of our
pod besties. She took us along for the ride to
the Two Girls One Ghost Show. Breathe, Oh yeah, breathe.
I forgot about that. Oh yeah, she's just like I
just do.
Speaker 1: That to say, what do you mean you took me
along to the light house side I was, I was
the third wheel.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, we went to the uh the show first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where I mean, very briefly we met
Sabrina and then of course, like you mentioned, we dragged
you up to the point Wilson Lighthouse so that we
could do our crossover episode, which if you haven't listened
to that we were just talking about before we hopped
on that. That was like a really fun episode. We're
lucky it got made because also I was very distracted
the whole weekend, and I fully thought I was just
like on a fun trip because it was so much
about Yeah, I was like, oh, shoot, I guess I
have responsibilities and things, so but it felt like it
was time to find something else to do together. So
maybe after we record this episode, we'll get to work
on planning another trip.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: I know we have. We've already talked about like as
soon as we were done with that trip. We had
more ideas, Parkle. We kept naming places. Yeah yeah, oh
my gosh. But you actually have a special connection to
the place that we're going to talk about today, which
I didn't fully realize until we roped you into this
with us. So because I was like, I know generally,
but I was like, this specific city, Yeah, that is
my hometown.
Speaker 1: My mom's side of the family were all in Guadalajara.
Well there's a little not a suburb, but like a
colony that's called Sapopan, which is right by Guadalajara, like
literally twenty minutes. So we just say Guallalahara because that's
where everyone is familiar with the bigger city. But yeah,
that is where I go whenever I go to Mexico.
I'm actually gonna be there in January.
Speaker 2: So that's so funny because I'm like trying to casually
drop hints. I'm like, we should go to Mexico. Damn,
well you should have just came with me. I know.
Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna be I go, like once they're tweaty
a year or so.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you probably like to visit really often.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta see my grandma. You know the I
am yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: Okay. So actually immediately as you're pronouncing, I don't like now,
I don't even want to say. I don't even want
to say.
Speaker 1: I just say every time like you pause, and I'll say.
Speaker 2: We should just have like a hand signal because I'm
just like guadala, I feel like somebody is like very
very uh midwestern grandma. But no, I'm just going to
put it out there. You have absolute carte blanche to
correct any and all of my pronunciation throughout this because,
as we know, unfortunately there there was an incident with
a pew yallop that was.
Speaker 1: From Oh yeah, I forget how to pronounce that all
the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I hyper focus on my pronunciations, and then
somehow when my brain spiciness, it meets the dry mouth.
Yeah yeah, so jumbled. Yeah. I don't always nail it,
and I rarely do.
Speaker 1: And then people are like, you said, that's wrong. I'm like,
all right, and what do you want me to do
about it?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't even say I'm sorry anymore. Yeah, I mean, whoops,
it happened.
Speaker 2: Whatever. I mean, we're all trying, right, not me? No, No,
I mean you're making the effort. But yeah, I mean,
on least go back and to go back and like
apologize for something that you know you don't mean any harm.
You're doing your best.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, sometimes I mean harm. But yeah, I'll stop,
I'll stop.
Speaker 2: No, I love it. I'd like to encourage this more harm. Okayeah, no,
just your spiciness. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean
there's the potential for a lot of spiciness today because
I'm also in sort of an adjustment period with my meds.
So oh hey, okay, yeah, I could get robold.
Speaker 1: My appointment for my refill, so.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta stay on top of that.
It's rough. It's rough. So today we have an og
member of the Patreon to thank for suggesting this topic.
So thank you also to Aarin. I just had to
wait for the stars to align and the dopamine to
hit with this one. But as kids say, I believe
this one slepts. I don't even know why I put
that in. I'm my god, I say that though, Yeah,
they say stuff like that. I don't know. It feels
like in my head I'm picturing somebody cooler saying it.
So then when I put it in my notes, and
I'm now trying to read it. I'm like, I feel
like a soccer mom. Should I not have said that
established as a sister city to Portland, Oregon in nineteen
eighty three, Guadalajara is nestled in Jalisco.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, haalisko, Okay, I totally didn't know we were
sister saying with Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, I know. Yeah, So that was actually why
one of the Patreon members was like, oh, I know
about this crazy case, and it's like a sister city
to Portland, and that's how that's our like workaround. It's
our cheat code to go international. I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious about this case because.
Speaker 2: I can't think of one. I'm okay, I'm excited. I
was curious if you were going to know about this.
I don't know, we were both alive, but I don't
know if it'll be something that like you would really
have like memory of Probably not. Yeah, my memories already terrible,
So I know it's not great. It doesn't get better.
It turns out it's worse. Yeah, not agent like a
fine wine, the opposite. And Guadalajara is actually the capital
city of that state. In Mexico. Fun fact, both mariachi
music and tequila originate from there as well. That is true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so party people. Yeah, the hot sauce. Have you
seen it? Yeah, that's like the typical when you say
someone from Helly school, but they look like it's that
tapat the old man on the hot sauce.
Speaker 2: So that's hilarious. I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever, whenever they say you have a host like
Tapatio's eyes that are Tapatios means like huge eyes because
they say people form well at HAA and Hally school
have huge eyes.
Speaker 2: I feel like that holds true, Like I do have
huge eyes. You have really big eyes, eyes.
Speaker 1: Gigantic, but like in a good way, not a bad way,
not in like a creepy way, like a really beautiful way.
Speaker 2: While it's not the largest or the most major city
in Mexico, it is one of the most populous in
all of Mexico. And actually it rings is. And this
this statistic, I think is only a handf of years old.
They might have moved up or down a notch, but
they're ranked near the top twenty in all of the Americas,
so North and South America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty big. It's the biggest Inhali school. But yeah,
like you said, not Mexico.
Speaker 2: It's also host to the San Juan de Dios market.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that market is beautiful. Yeah, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I grabbed a bunch of different pictures and stuff
from the market because I'm like, that looks so cool.
It's massive, it's huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's huge. Every floor has yeah, I mean like
it's like part of it is outside. Then you go
inside and there's like I don't know, three or four floors,
I don't remember anymore. Uh, and then you go outside
and it just continues and yeah, just so much stuff,
so much food.
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's great. It looks like there's honestly
everything there. Yeah, like food and all kinds of different
like like clothing and like every type of good imaginable. Yeah. Yeah,
but it is the largest indoor market in Latin America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's huge. It's huge. And yeah, if you ever,
if you're in we Llalahara, you have to go there.
Speaker 2: You have to. You must. You heard it here first,
So put a pin in the market for now. Just
what that simmer? Okay, fair warning, there's not really a
smooth way to transition to this next part, just like,
really get to rip the band aid off. Okay, I'm ready. Though,
it seems fitting that we get into the story abruptly
because the events were going to discuss were anything but
gradual or subtle. On April twenty second, nineteen ninety two,
there were a series of several explosions in the downtown
district of Analco Colonia at.
Speaker 1: Liss Okay, I know it happened, but I know nothing
about it. Yeah, I'm excited. I don't Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's just that happened. There were numerous gasoline explosions in
the sewer system. Fires continued burning for over four hours,
destroying roughly eight kilometers or for those of us that
are Stateside, over five miles of city streets, the most
badly damaged being Gonte Street. Hundreds of people were injured
and hundreds more were killed in the ensuing chaos. Though
numerous sources speculate what exactly the tally was, my research
indicates it was no fewer than five hundred injured and
two hundred left dead. Wow, I know, I'm like, that's insane,
And a lot of the source material says that it's
probably a lot higher than that it usually is. Whatever
like number it is like double it exactly exactly, but
again not exactly a strict consensus per se. Some are
that it could have been upwards into the thousands, partially
due to the hundreds of people that were missing in
the immediate aftermath. So, you know, that's such a hard
thing because if people are missing right away but then
they're found, maybe they were presumed dead at some point, Like,
it's not a good situation. No, not to mention that
thousands of homes were badly damaged, leaving many stranded on
the battered nightmare streets. But let's rewind just a little bit.
Just days before the explosions, residents began complaining that a
strong gas smell was emanating from the sewers on the streets,
but also from their own residential plumbing, and it would
progressively worsen in the days leading up to the explosions.
The unpleasant odor left residence suffering from nausea as well
as a state sensation in their throats and eyes in
some cases. So probably not something pooper ree could take
care of, right right, Smelly, but not that kind of smelly. Yeah,
this sounds toxic, I know, but in all seriousness, the
situation in Guadalajara was pretty alarming. Residents of the city
were finding gasoline coming out of their water pipes in
some places, and though city workers discovered dangerously high levels
of gasoline fumes in the sewers, the city was not
being evacuated. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, but like literal gas was coming out of like
the sink.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, in some places. So, and I'm going to
talk about it a little bit more as we like
kind of explain like the full series of events and
more about.
Speaker 1: Why this is happening, because I'm like, okay, but like why,
You're like.
Speaker 2: Why, but also like there's a there's an element of
it too where it's like it's liquid but also like gases. Yeah, right,
And I don't know. It's a really interesting aspect of
the case to me because there were certain things that
I was reading and I'm going, well, why does that matter?
And I'm like, oh, because science.
Speaker 1: Right, Historically not my best subject. I was more like
a history English dance me too, pe.
Speaker 2: Okay, well you had me until you said pe and
oh yeah no that was my thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was very fit too, fit I had a
lot of energy that I had to get out, so
but no math and science my only bad grades.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like even math, I'm like, I can
tolerate you. Science it's a pen if it's something really interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, like like earth science, yes, chemistry hard no hard pass.
I literally switched majors from nursing because I couldn't get
the basics of intro to chemistry. Oh my gosh, if
you want to one or whatever, I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't. It's a lot. You're like, Also, when am
I going to use this? But I guess if I don't,
I never found out. I did not stick around to
find out. You're like, I don't even want to know
the answer to that. I didn't.
Speaker 1: Actually, to be fair, I didn't know I had ADHD
back then. So I feel like maybe it would have
been helpful to have meds. Maybe I would have finished
it a little bit. But even then, I'm pretty sure
I have like the dyslexia of math, this calculia, and
so I rough rough rough all around rough times.
Speaker 2: Well, and then there's so much of science that like
you need to be able to do the mathing for
it all to like kind of make I'm out.
Speaker 1: I'm out. Are you gonna keep talking about math because
I'm leaving?
Speaker 2: No, there's no math. Let's get practice, no more math. Yeah,
She's just like, let's keep this fresh, keep it interesting.
The city's mayor was decidedly against the idea of evacuating.
He apparently didn't believe there was any real risk of
an explosion.
Speaker 1: I mean, when guts coming out of sinks and there's fumes.
I I don't know, but I could see this happening.
I could see them downplaying everything to not like because
then it looks bad on you, because then was this preventable? Right,
and funny you should was then okay, funny you should
say that.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, Also, though, sir, are you aware that gasoline
is highly flammable. It's not. It's not just highly preventable,
but it's like it's so we're seeable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But for some of these people in positions of power,
the reputation supersede the safety of the citizens of whatever
you're supposed to be caring for, like a city safe.
Speaker 2: Right, Definitely, I feel like it makes me a little
bit nervous going into the next handful of years. Not
everyone thinks that infrastructure and all of our systems that
are in place to keep society running and functioning are
that important. And that's scary. It's very scary. While we're
on the topic of flammability, let's take a nerd dive,
shall we.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love these sometimes, and except when they involve math.
Speaker 2: No math, I promise, Okay, Yeah, let's do it for science,
and I promise I'll try to keep this part both
the make down for me, yes, brief and relevant and
very simple brief and for the dumb bitches please. Yeah,
gasoline has a low flash point and high vapor density.
It produces ignitable vapors that are three to four times
heavier than air and can travel great distances at ground level.
And this will be important to our story because it
can collect in low places and cause a fire hazard,
you know, explosion. Yeah, low places like a stewer. Yes, yes,
I hope you can see where this is going. Yeah,
but we're going to science some more. So let's talk
about flammability versus combustibility. A flammable material is one that
ignites easily at normal temperatures or immediately when exposed to flame,
whether it's in liquid, solid, or gas form. Gasoline is
considered flammable, so pretty volatile. Yeah, like just really want
to drive home the point that it's like this, this
is dangerous. Yes, yes, it has been driven. I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I it sounds bad. You're like, this is again.
Speaker 2: I was with you. Yeah. Combustible materials are generally speaking
less volatile, but still require observing safety protocols such as
storing attempts below their flash points. And that's literally the
end of the science for now, but I will be
delving into some interesting aspects of several engineering later. She's like, why, great,
more science, not what I said it for. Yeah, I
promise that's not as sleepy as it sounds, though, I swear.
But now that we've got that out of the way,
let's go back to April nineteenth, nineteen ninety two. That's
when it's generally agreed that Gonte Street residents first reported
a gasoline smell coming out of the guat Aalahara City sewers,
along with plumes of white smoke.
Speaker 1: Oh no, this all sounds terrible and like it could
have been like, oh, we're noticing these things, let's take action.
Speaker 2: Do we do something? I'm asking for a friend you
might be able to get past the smell, but I
have to imagine that the smoke was pretty goddamn.
Speaker 1: Alarming, right, right, And then I combined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this smells bad. It's making it hard
for people to breathe. It's like stinging your eyes. It's
like kind of a wicked combo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like all no winnow, no winn a exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: The following day, April twentieth, these reports were investigated and
high levels of gasoline and other hydrocarbons were discovered. Keep
in mind, this discovery was prior to an announcement being
made that the city would not be staging evacuations. So
they had this information and they were like nope, and
then they did nothing. Yep, oh no, they did a
lot of nothing. But why would they. It's not like
the sewer system below is a ticking time bomb or anything.
Speaker 1: Right, it sounds perfectly fine, that's right.
Speaker 2: And also because the mayor said so, and that's that
nothing is secure is always right at absolutely wrong. Yeah,
our elected officials always have our best interests in art especially. Yeah.
By ten am on April twenty second, man covers began
to bounce on the streets this all sounds so bad.
Oh my god, it doesn't sound like it could be real, right,
Like it sounds out of a movie. Yes, it's like
out of Oh my gosh, there's so many that are
just like these crazy intense apocalyptic scenes. And that's a
thousand percent when I'm picturing. Yeah, and thick column of
white smoke came pouring out from the sewer system, similar
to a pot that's been left unattended to boil over.
Feels a little on the nose, but yeah. Five minutes later,
the first two explosions were recorded, one on the corner
of Cazata Indepenzia and Aldama Street and the second at
the intersection of Gante and de Novembre. Just a moment later,
the first emergency call was placed. The third explosion at
ten oh eight sent a bus belonging to the Tuts
company into the air. Oh my god, launching.
Speaker 1: Oh bus buses are always so full that it's crazy,
No wonder, so many people. Oh my god, this is terrible.
Speaker 2: I know, I just like and to see the pictures.
There were a couple of times where I was like,
they are pictures that are really hard to look at,
even though it's not particularly like gory. It's not like
they're not showing anybody yeah who's been you know, mortally
wounded in most of them. But it's just like you
just know that that is that's what's happened, and that
like there are people that are just like horrifically injured
from this. I just was like, I just want to cry, man.
So the bus that you know, was just casually flying
through the air that was on the corner of Gaunte
and Nicolas Bravo. I just honestly the whole time, I'm thinking, like,
what is this a set of twister like that? That's crazy?
Speaker 1: Just what like explosion after explosion after explosion that set
a bus off flying and yeah, the city could have
been evacuated or this wouldn't just wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'd love to tell you that the third
time was the charm in this case. But there's more. Yeah,
but I think I've led with the phrase several explosions, which,
as you probably guessed, Okay, yeah, it certainly implies more
than three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say a few two to three, several
is four to five were more.
Speaker 2: So what's the word for more than five? Oh? No,
there was more than five Oh my god, it's not great.
It's really it's really upsetting, like and honestly we'll talk
about it as well, but like people and rightly so,
they were passed.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine like the aftermath of all this
and like knowing that like it could have been prevented.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, can you imagine any other major city
like if you have. I mean, we're talking about a
five mile like area of city.
Speaker 1: That's just like and it's densely populated.
Speaker 2: And you can tell that in all of the pictures too,
you can tell that. And I mean that was also
a big part of why I wanted to talk about
the market too, because it's always so passed.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: I I was just saying that. I was like, it's
so packed, but it's so big, Oh my god, and
it's right there.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: And then the date of this incident also coincides with
a holiday Easter.
Speaker 1: It was it was Easter, Okay, it was fucking Easter, okay,
So yeah, that would have been crowded. There's also like
a big, big church around there too, the Cathedral of Galajaa,
So only I can only imagine how crowded. Not to
mention the historic downtown center is always crowded anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just it just it. You just can't even
like wrap your head around like somebody basically like thinking
that anything else is more important than like making sure everybody.
Speaker 1: The safety of the people, like come.
Speaker 2: On, yes, yes, I'm like, oh, let me guess he
probably doesn't live on Gante Street. Hmm, right right. There
was another explosion less than five minute later on Gonzalez
Gaio Avenue, and by ten fifteen the factory workers on
that same avenue began evacuating the area. The fifth explosion
was it Gonte Street and Calzata del Eercito. Oh yeah,
just before ten thirty. Another neighboring area was also evacuated
within five minutes. The sixth explosion occurs at the intersection
of De Fabrero and Rio Bravo. The seventh explosion.
Speaker 1: Every remember, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, it just again I cannot, like I don't
even know how else to say it, but it's like
you just can't believe that it just keeps.
Speaker 1: Going and they're all like pretty close in time too.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: The seventh explosion is at Gonte Street and Silverio Garcia.
Shortly after additional rescue personnel arrived to aid the victims
in the affected areas, there was an eighth explosion at
eleven oh two at Rio Neo Avenue and Rio Grande.
Oh my god. This explosion would initiate evacuation efforts in
several more neighboring areas.
Speaker 1: So after the eighth explosion, they finally are evacuating people.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Eight explosions. Yeah, basically, I think it's I think the
very very first evacuation starts after the fifth explosion, right, okay,
And I believe that was because it was in a
super dense.
Speaker 1: This is the factory one, yes, one, yeah, okay, m hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that kind of explains it because
I feel like a factory setting is even more dangerous. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean there's not a good place to be an explosion. No,
not really, god, okay, but there is an end in sight.
The two final explosions occurred at eleven sixteen. That's right,
in case you lost track two at the same time. Yeah,
I mean they Yeah, basically it's possible that they were
like maybe a minute apart, but I feeling with all
of the chaos, it would be pretty hard to keep.
Speaker 1: Track, but either are seven and eight or eight and
nine or nine and ten like I lost, yes, Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, yes, ten mother freaking explosions. Wow, I just like
it kind of takes your breath way a little bit.
Even before the explosions concluded, people throughout the Guadalajara metro
area removed manholes in an attempt to allow any residual
gases to escape. Additionally, several neighboring areas were notified to
be aware and cautious. So there's multiple other neighborhoods that
they hate. They hadn't had explode specifically in those neighborhoods
or districts, but they were really concerned that it was
still a possibility, right, So I mean that just makes
it like an even more massive area even more all the.
Speaker 1: Chaos from yeah, wondering, oh my god, is it going
to happen here too?
Speaker 2: Exactly? I mean, can you imagine. I don't think I
would be able to like function, like forget forget fallen
asleep that night, you know, Yeah, I mean and this
started in the morning, Yeah, but in our whole day.
What time were the last explosions Just after eleven It
was eleven sixteen am. Okay, So I mean you're talking
about a little over an hour, ten different explosions, a
little hour of hell. Oh my god. Yeah yeah, I
mean it's gonna stay pretty hellish for a minute.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, after finding like you know, the aftermath of everything,
finding the people, the mess. Yeah, collapse buildings.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. There were so many collapsed buildings. And
it's so crazy though, because you know, again like I
haven't visited this part of Mexico specifically, but like seeing
where obviously like the blast radius, like there's a defined area,
like it's not just going to blow up everything everywhere, right.
It's so strange to see where there's like buildings that
were completely like leveled, and then like right next to
it is like a building that looks like it was
totally fine. Insane. I just like the stress of like,
oh my god, like hopefully you were, you know, able,
you were in one of the buildings that didn't get
leveled and you know, then were unharmed and like could
just start helping people. Yeah, I mean, horrific, man. The
investigation that followed the devastation revealed two contributing factors to
the multiple explosions. Okay, so there's a little bit more science,
but it's short. I'll sum it up for you right now.
So some metals don't mix, just kind of like traditionally,
and this isn't the best example because it doesn't feel
equally serious. But when it comes to fashion, you might
not mix certain patterns, Like you don't wear plaid and
stripes just typically, do you?
Speaker 1: But but like don't do that, Yeah, probably don't.
Speaker 2: But new zinc coated iron pipes were placed way too
close to an existing steel gasoline pipeline, creating an electrolytic
reaction similar to the interior of a zinc carbon battery.
So these are the kind that we use in like
TV remotes, smoke detectors, and a ton of other stuff. Oh,
like the normal double A batteries basically, yeah, I mean
they're they're in everything. I don't know. We just we
interact passively with so many of the like different things
that have this type of battery. And honestly, it's the
fact that we're talking about what we view as such
a an inert or innocuous thing in that regard that
like makes it even more scary.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, so what happens when these two meets or whatever,
Like what is a koreen here.
Speaker 2: So it's basically creating the same type of reaction that
happens inside of a battery, and that is Listen, I
told you what kind it was. Okay, Okay, Well I
don't know, no, but I actually I do have. There's
like it does explain like what it does. Oh, I'm
not going to explain the inside of a battery, but
I will explain like what it did here if that
makes yes, okay, Oh, like I don't know how batteries were.
The reaction corroded the steel pipe, resulting in a gasoline
leak that permeated not just the ground but also the
main sewer pipe.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, okay, this is the cause.
Speaker 2: Of it all. Yes, Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You would think they would know this would happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, I mean I would think that,
you know, people who are in civil engineering should know, right,
I mean you would think, oh my god, like who
approved this? Honestly, it made me look at batteries a
little bit different. I was like, that's what it's doing, right,
are the safe? The second factor was the recent rebuild
on the sewer piping when the city wanted to expand
its underground metro railway system. They were modified to a
U shape. Usually, sewer systems are built with the slope
to allow gravity to aid in moving waste through the system.
For the U shape that they switched over to to work,
an inverted siphon was placed so that fluids could be
pushed underneath by gravity. So we're kind of just using
what we already have problem solved, right well. Inverted siphons
require uniform fluid for proper operation when presented with liquids
of different densities, as was the case in Guadalajara's system,
And honestly, I would imagine this would be true of
any any Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's not uniform liquid, right,
it's yeah, because it's the sewers sewers. I don't think
I need to and I'm not going to explain that further. No,
I think we get it. I think we're good. Only
the densist would pass through the siphon. What this means
is that anything of a lesser density like air and
water would pass freely, but leave the lighter density gasoline
trapped and continuing to accumulate. Oh and I cannot stress
this enough. This is bad. Yeah, No, we're not. Eventually
the liquid gasoline that had accumulated would evaporate and the
sewer system filled with the explosive vapors as they progressed.
Because density, I feel like Bill Ni a little bit, Bill, Bill, Bill, Nah,
this science guy. Oh, don't sue us.
Speaker 1: No, you know the classroom was going to be lit
when they like brought in the TV and put the
tape in and it was Bill, and you're like.
Speaker 2: Yesahh science. A full three days later, panic was at
risk of being reignited when multiple neighborhood residents were warned
to avoid lighting any flames as this of gas became
increasingly pervasive. So this is like four different neighborhoods. Oh
my god, So another massive like surface area that now
all of a sudden they are like in danger. Yeah,
could we be next? Oh? And of course at this point,
like it's three days later, everybody knows what's happened.
Speaker 1: Right, So what's awaiting if actually happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This was later confirmed to be a leek and a
Pemex pipe. Keep in mind that prior to the explosions,
people had been annoyed and had maybe raised some concerns,
but there wasn't widespread alarm because La Nogulera was undergoing
their annual spring cleaning, which is a gasoline storage facility
under the state owned monopoly Pemex. While we're on the
topic of PEMS, the public believed that PEMES was to
blame for the tragedy. So basically public opinion is like
buck Pemes. Yeah, common uh feeling in Mexico. Oh yeah,
Honestly I can believe it, because after researching this, I'm like, Wow,
we obviously like we've experienced like in kind of a
different like application, but like there have been issues with
you know, power lines or other like we have our
own issues with our infrastructure and like the utilities and
things like that. But I was like, damn, yeah, I
think I would feel exactly the same way for sure.
Speaker 1: And I mean these were pem's own plumbing or whatever, right,
gas or whatever lines, So yeah, of course they're going
to be blamed. But also like somebody put those pipes in,
Somebody should have came and checked to what was going
on when people were complaining, like pemics and the government
our affault probably is my guess.
Speaker 2: I mean the worst part is that like city workers
actually went and they inspected and they were finding dangerous
levels and they were told to dismiss it. I'm assuming
and they basically and I mean it was reported on
and like all of the local government was aware, but
they just didn't do anything. Man, I mean, if sitting
on your hands could be an official charge. As the
theory goes, it was due in part to embezzlement of
gasoline from the facility there.
Speaker 1: It is, yeah, oh my god, not the price.
Speaker 2: I know. I was like, this is I feel like.
Speaker 1: I was waiting for something more corrupt than I'm like,
all right, this is already bad, but like when is
the corruption going?
Speaker 2: I know, I was like, this has to be. There's
got to be like something that's more of a corruption angle,
because like, otherwise how do we get here? It just right,
like why, well, yeah, the in what behind it? Otherwise
it's just it just doesn't feel like the math is
mathing at the end.
Speaker 1: Capitalism, yeah, pretty much. It's like greed, Wow, it was.
Speaker 2: It was capitalism all along, I know, synonymous with greed
to me basically, yeah, no, one thousand percent. It was
rumored that an inspection of the facility by the Attorney
General's Office was eminent and the staff was fearful they
could be caught with an oversupply of gasoline, rather than
face any repercussions because obviously who would do.
Speaker 1: That, right, face accountability for what I've done? No, I
don't think I don't think so.
Speaker 2: No, they opted to simply dump the excess down the drain.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And they didn't think what could happen, what could go wrong?
Speaker 2: Right dumping all this guys, Oh my god, I just
like into your sewer system, like what wow? Because I
feel like to me, I was kind of like, okay,
everything leading up to this it makes sense, how like
the reaction.
Speaker 1: Like all right, we've got the pipes that shouldn't be
next to each other, We've got like this gas leak
thing going on that's building up.
Speaker 2: But like what was.
Speaker 1: The final like like the final push, like the final oof?
Speaker 2: Like there it is? Yeah, yeah, I wonder how all
this gas got here?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Okay, I don't know if you've if
you've ever seen this, but there it made me think
of this TikTok that it's one of my favorites. It's
this guy just like basically he must just presumably he's
outside on a walk or something, and it just quickly
develops into a jog and eventually he's like full ass sprinting,
and the whole time he's singing. I don't want no consequence, consequence, consequence, consequent,
but this is this, This is all of that, Yeah,
consequences of my actions choice in me right now. I
don't even know if that's the right tune, but that's
now it's.
Speaker 1: Not coming across as Wow, look at the stuff we're
going to miss out when to Tuck is banned.
Speaker 2: I know. According to a report by the Jalisco State
Human Rights Commission, there was a count of eleven hundred
and forty two homes affected. Oh my god, four hundred
and fifty shops, one hundred schools. Wow, I know, schools.
It's a lot of schools, insane in a five mile radius.
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, why is there so many schools?
Speaker 2: I know, I have so many follow up questions based
on the numbers and stuff. I can't help, But wonder
if some of that is classified as schools, if it's
like maybe like also like childcare facilities.
Speaker 1: I was going to say that I think some of
them are like actual childcare, so it's also not just schools.
Speaker 2: Yeah, six hundred vehicles. I mean, and like you said,
it's it's five miles eight kilometers of just yeah.
Speaker 1: Also a wild because like so many people people use
the public transportation system and taxis like a ton. So
I'm like, I'm surprised that there's that many cars.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and you know that's another one of those
things where you know it says vehicles that could include
like buses and taxis.
Speaker 1: I don't know, oh true, not like personal yeah, vehicles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we tend to think of like
like if somebody just says a car, I think of
like a personal vehicle.
Speaker 1: But like yeah, because we have no public transportation infrastructure
in this country. So no, it's but in Laa it's fantastic,
except the buses are crazy, like really and it's like
it's like a roller coaster getting into the bus. Really
you got to run in because they're gonna like.
Speaker 2: Run you all. They're busy.
Speaker 1: They'll literally hit other cars like you know to it's
fun though, it's wild ride, I will say.
Speaker 2: WHOA, I don't know if I have the stomach for that.
Speaker 1: They don't play no, and I don't have this the
mix to drive and while that I had out at all.
It's even crazier. So I'm like, I will take my
chances with a bus or a taxi, but I'm not
ever driving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds crazy. It's wild.
Speaker 1: Also, you'll see like people on a like a motorcycle
and it'll be like the dad driving, the mom in
front holding a baby, and then like two kids hanging
on the.
Speaker 2: Back, like stop it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody uses car seats, so yeah, oh my gosh,
people still ride in the back of trucks. I feel like,
and that's now, so I can only imagine back then, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's certain things like riding in
the back of the truck. I feel like there's a
lot of places you might sometimes see that, but.
Speaker 1: Like you're not going to see that driving down the
freeway here, No, not usually, and you're not here.
Speaker 2: Sure's not going to see five people on like a
mopad or something. Yeah, but over there you will. It's wild.
That's wild. The blast measured at seven and seven point
one according to the University of Mexico's Richter scale.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, that's high. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's not like the deathliest we've certainly seen,
you know, I think there have been a couple of
earthquakes in the last couple of decades that were like
a nine on the Richter scale in parts of South America.
But like, I don't it doesn't need to be any higher.
Seven is like that's crazy. Yeah, So there were trenches
up to twenty five feet deep that had been born
into the streets. Wow. The colonies that suffered the most
damage were the Almost Atlas Olympica and Nalco. At a
government sports complex, bodies of some of the victims were
laid out on a basketball court under white tarps, many
of whom were older women, children. And I'm so sorry
babies that I don't even really like babies personal.
Speaker 1: They're not for me, right, But I mean any life
loss tragic, but like a newborn, a baby that hasn't
gotten to live that long, and children always it's harder
for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels like, you know, that's someone who
cannot advocate for themselves, They can't protect themselves, right, It's
so there's a reason they're part of the most vulnerable. Yeah. Absolutely.
Total monetary damages were estimated between three hundred million and
three billion, So wow, like that's a really wide window there.
Speaker 1: Millions are already a lot, and then three billion, whoa, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's in the fucking nineties. Yeah, keep that
in mind because like with inflation now, it's like, yeah, no,
for sure, just mind blowing. So surely for this magnitude
of devastation there must be not only an explanation but
also consequences accountability. Yeah yeah, and you would be right,
but there wasn't. Well, President Carlos Selinis di Gortiari gave
investigators seventy two hours to find the cause of the
blast and pledge to quote punish those found responsible. Big talk.
The governor of the state of Jalisco, Guillermo Cozio Vidori,
accompanied Selinas on his tour and said his government was
investigating possible negligence by three city officials for minimizing local
residents complaints about the gasmo emanating from the sewers. So
this feels a little bit like a dog and pony show.
It's kind of like they were the scapegoats. Well, I mean,
it's like the president is visiting and then you know,
you've got like the governor kind of shepherding him around. Well,
they have to.
Speaker 1: This sounds like an extreme like worse because you know,
when there's earthquakes, everyone comes flying in and like it's true. Yeah,
but now this, I mean it's like almost to the
level of like some of the most devastating earthquakes in
Mexico to day, Yeah, same level of like casualties. So
I'm not surprised by the governor and the president both
being there. I'm madrine, are those three the only responsible?
I don't think so, because someone else dumped all that
gas into the sewage system, Like, yeah, they probably did
it more complaints. Well we know they did, right because
people were calling it complaining and I think when done,
but like, they truly are not the only ones responsible
for this.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think in this case, like truth be told,
these two are like they're out kind of serving the devastation,
but I don't think that they're really the ones that
are responsible. Like the president isn't responsible for like a
local level emergency evacuation, I mean.
Speaker 1: No, right, but him responding to the aftermath, I could
see why he's there, and it would be weird if
he wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Oh, it totally would be. Yeah. And the only reason
why I say like that it feels like a dog
and pony show is because I think it's the level
of like almost like machismo where it's like, oh, we're
going to punish them, and it's very like it feels
very forceful, you.
Speaker 1: Know, oh yeah, yeah, but like someone needs to be
blamed and like both I mean Mexico and the United
States and probably a lot of places are very like
a pro punishment type place like send them, feed them
to the dogs or whatever. People say, I don't know
what I'm saying is right, so someone for of course,
I of completely understand in the present like find who's responsible. Yeah,
and all this is like being policized at the same time,
like it's a very public like you know, him saying
all this too, So yeah, I could see all that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of people obviously were rightly
very upset. I mean people are have lost loved ones,
their homes. I mean just a devastating circumstance. So it's
like it's not surprising, like of course he's gonna like
try to take a strong stance.
Speaker 1: What else do you not to mention the like what's
it called projection of like it wasn't us although somebody
failed to find effects and yeah, like oh we're gonna
find it, but it's like Spider Man playing on himself, like, yeah,
the government is part of the rest this, but they're
gonna make a show out of like finding who else
was responsible because they don't want to be the ones blamed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. April twenty seventh, both the mayor, who would subsequently
resign from office and the Secretary for Urban and Rural
Development were detained on charges related to heeding the warning
signs and failing to evacuate the area.
Speaker 1: Oh good, because they should be responsible. Yeah, okay, I
totally agree.
Speaker 2: I feel like the Secretary for Urban and Rural Development,
like that person seems like probably like one of the
point people in terms of like yeah, and I was like,
who who wasn't bezzling the gas? I mean that's Pemex
people presumably, But were they arrested? Well, it's funny, you
should say. Additionally, there were four executives reportedly arrested, some
with SIAPA essentially that's the local municipal water lords of
your just in case you aren't familiar with international utilities,
why would yeah, yeah, why would you be? And then
there were also some from Pemex that were arrested. So good, Yeah,
I have to say if no one is arrested for this?
Oh no, I know, can you imagine?
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't picture it being like I'm like,
I felt like it could go either way, like either
people were arrested or people were not.
Speaker 2: Like. Well, then three days later, the governor of hi
Lusco took a leave of absence, leaving Guadalajara for Spain.
He never returned to his role following the tragedy. Wow, Okay,
he's like, I quit but first going on vacation.
Speaker 1: Wow, and never returned. He stayed in Spain.
Speaker 2: He may have since returned to Mexico, but okay, we
gonna go back to Jalisco or no, and he never
came back to his post like wow, And yeah okay,
oh my god, pretty wild. Wow. Oh and remember how
I said you would be right about there being both
explanations and consequences for the tragedy. I did say that. Well,
see it's not that I lied, per se. But you
may not feel very satisfied with the end result on
honestly either front. To be honest, the Mexican government has
refused to admit fault on their part.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, not surprised, yea it is the Mexican government.
Nobody it is a government. I was going to say.
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean, I would say, having covered
so many stories in Mexico, like the Mexican government itself,
but then you add in like it's just any government,
it really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they're not going to take a kind
of Yeah.
Speaker 2: What's more, there are forty three thousand page report following
the explosions refused to place blame on any of the
executives or government officials that were initially no.
Speaker 1: Who got paid, who got the coin to lie on
this long ass report?
Speaker 2: Yep. Not surprised, so sadly not surprise. I know. I
was like, oh god, she's just kind of like flipper lid.
Speaker 1: No I expect there's this. Yeah, man, you're.
Speaker 2: Like, actually this fits more in line with what my
expectation was. I was more surprised.
Speaker 1: Actually, this sounds about right. I'm surprised anyone was like
arrested at all.
Speaker 2: I kind of was too, and maybe like in the
back of my mind that's sort of where I get
like the Doc and Pony show thing, because it's like, right,
it's like they they literally did that for show. Oh yeah,
I feel I thought at minimum it was super douchey
but realistically a major abusive power. Yeah, I feel like
we were just talking about, like you know, every government
has their thing, and I feel like, on the flip side,
one thing that I really hate about the United States
government that is super douchey and an abusive power is
they won't tell us who really killed Kennedy. Right, they're
basically the same thing, except casually multiplied by hundreds, if
not thousands of times. One of these things is a
little bit more serious. I think I really want to
know who killed Kennedy, but like, he's just one dude.
Speaker 1: Do you listen to Truanon? It sounds they're a little silly,
but also like you should listen to their Kennedy series.
Speaker 2: That's good. Pemmics would make a corporate donation equivalent to
two million dollars USD. They should have given more money. Yeah,
that's not a lot.
Speaker 1: I should have paid all the damages and more.
Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing. That two million dollars was
to be split between the family members who lost loved
ones that day or those that were injured. So I
mean we're talking about hundreds, if not thousands of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you start adding just note enough money. No, no,
not to mention people need to like rebuild their homes.
Speaker 2: Right, No, Christina, I'm gonna be honest with you, Like
I don't have a million dollars now, and I don't
expect to anytime soon. But I will say this, if
the two of us were involved in an explosion, I
would certainly hope that our settlement would be more than
two million dollars, right right, Like that's it's just that's
not enough.
Speaker 1: No, no, for the number of people affected. No.
Speaker 2: No, And they did that basically to try to like
get a little bit of like good will back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like for a good publicity.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Honestly, it sounds like like, broadly speaking, the public
really saw through that.
Speaker 1: Oh of course, and it's Pemex, Like people already hate pems.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like I said, I can only imagine
they did this because of the immense backlash from the
company because everyone something yes, exactly exactly, but get this, Pemex.
One of the driving forces behind this was the fact
that they were still reeling from a nineteen eighty four
Mexico City propane explosion. Oh god, this is not their
first rodeo with explosions. Wow, the explosion that killed four
hundred and fifty people and that one they were found
responsible for. So they already had like their feet to
the fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. H I'm not surprised, I know.
Speaker 2: I was just like, wow, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, like, of course this happened already somewhere else.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like there were I mean, it's not
maybe something that like it doesn't get reporting on like
an explosion would, but it was very common to have
very frequent like gas leaks and things like that. So
it's like people were aware that there were issues. So
this last part that I'll leave you with was at
first confusing, especially as I came across considerable discussion about
how not evacuating had increased civilian casualties following the deadly
events of April twenty second. Just over a week later,
protesters gathered outside the governor's palace in Guadalajara as another
gas leak threatened the homes and the very lives of
many more. After residents of the Alamo District south of
Reforma said they smelled fumes, Guadalajara mayor ordered the evacuation
of several square blocks. The area is surrounded by about
forty factories. That's a lot, including a plant operated by
Petrolios Mexicanos known as Pemex.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So there was a couple of times
in the story where I mentioned that they refused to evacuate.
Refused to evacuate. Basically, it was, you know, from the
time of I think the fifth explosion, where all of
a sudden the tune is changing. And ironically the reason
why is that they finally got close to those big
government and corporate interests.
Speaker 1: That's when it mattered. Yeah, five explosions, then when it
affected them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took me a while to work that out
because so much of what I was reading was just like,
they didn't evacuate, they didn't evacuate. And then I started
seeing stuff about like, well, wait, what's this about they
in the factory district after the fifth explosion, and I'm like, ah,
these dirty birdies, these motherfuckers. Yeah, I just had a
branch hit my window and You're like, oh my god,
what was that. Yeah, so that is the Guadalajara explosions.
Speaker 1: You know, I love a good corruption story. On a
Tuesday afternoon. So thank you, I know, really cheerful. A
good way to you know, leading up to the Christmas.
Speaker 2: Holidays, just what we need. Yeah, yeah, very cheerful. Do
you want to stick around for taro? Do you want
to do the taro reading with me? Sure? I don't
use these ones in a while, so they needed a
good ship. Okay, I've got Tom spread out any thoughts intuition,
I have no intuition. I guess there it is. Oh
what is that the night of so? What does it mean?
All right? Our keywords for the Night of Swords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience,
single mindedness, and insensitivity. Am I those things? No? No,
we always we always try to see if there's like
any parallels at all to like the case itself. Some
times we do make it about us. That makes more sense. Yeah, okay,
I mean there's no hard and fast rules around here.
You know you've hung out with us enough?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes. Knights often symbolize messages or travel. Some decks, including
the writer Waite Smith Tarot show This night rushing help
bent toward an adversary or adventure. If he represents a person,
you know, he may be someone who's overly aggressive or
argumentative who lives in attack mode. Or he might be
a spiritual warrior, one who uses his intellect to examine
and purify himself. The upright Night may suggest you're passionate
about your ideas and believe wholeheartedly in the rightness of
your objective. If this card represents an actual person, he's
probably a young man who expresses his ideas enthusiastically and
may have trouble understanding other viewpoints. He has a quick
mind and keen intellect, but may lack true wisdom. Sometimes
this night symbolizes an urgent message or an unexpected trip. Oh,
like to Spain.
Speaker 1: Like the guy who left the Spain right, Yeah, and
never returned to his job.
Speaker 2: I feel like this. I mean, I'm sure there's more
parallels that you could draw that I feel like. I'm like,
that's all I needed here, That's what I needed. Yeah, yeah, Okay.
In a reading about money, you may need to act
quickly in a financial matter, but don't neglect to study
the situation before making a decision too late. Yeah. The
upright Night may point to a trip for financial reasons
or a message about money. Sometimes he heralds a change
in your resources. If the reading is about your job,
this card can represent a business trip. Sometimes it means
a job change or a shift in work related responsibilities.
Speaker 1: Say like abandoning your work related responsibilities.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's yeah. Wow. The night may also caution you
to hold your tongue and bide your time. Diplomacy is important, though,
Well okay, okay, well I don't know that. I feel
like the love connection bullet point makes a lot of
sense for this case, but I feel like the rest
of that felt like some of us for sure affable. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean the whole thing with like the Taro reading anyway,
is just that it's like, you know, what do we see?
It's like kind of it's almost like you know, paint
by numbers, like you know what parallels we can draw?
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, this is so much fun. Yes, thanks
for having me and telling me about this terrible disaster.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm like, oh man, I didn't really think
about it, but in hindsight, I'm like, sorry, this is
something happier. I know, it's like a horrible thing that
happened in a place.
Speaker 1: That you love, but honestly, I love talking about horrible
things that happened at place I love.
Speaker 2: I mean clearly me too. That's like kind of our
whole brand. So right, yeah, but when I saw that
you had multiple, multiple episodes about like Guadalajara, like hauntings
and things, I was like, she can handle it. I
can and I did. She can handle it. I know.
I started listening through because I was like, oh damn,
she's got I think. I was like in Spooky Tales,
I was like, I think there's like three just for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's in that Charlone yeah alone. Yeah, it's just
a very haunting place. Beautiful but haunting. So many stories.
I'm surprised there's not I haven't found one connected to
this disaster, and that's surprising.
Speaker 2: Yeah to me. I mean it's in our lifetime. Yeah,
it's not like it happened yesterday, but I would not
be surprised.
Speaker 1: A few months before in my lifetime. So what, I
was born in August ninety two. This happened in April
ninety two.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh my god, I forgot. You're a fetus, a baby.
I'm just a baby, thirty two year old baby. Oh
my god, Christina, Yes, oh my god. I was born
in the eighties, so yeah, so you're old, Yes, I'm very,
very very old to the young ones.
Speaker 1: I'm old too, so it's okay, we're like elders.
Speaker 2: No, I know, and I could do without that. I
don't really need that. I feel old enough when I
wake up every morning and have back.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you get me started on back pain.
Speaker 2: So Christina, obviously we need you to plug all of
the things, about all of your things, your projects. Yes,
two shows now or do you have a show, a
secret show that even I don't know about? Two two?
I was like, if you start a third podcast? Oh?
Speaker 1: I tried, and then I was like, no, this is
too much. I can't keep up with it.
Speaker 2: It was it's a lot of work, too much, too
much work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you like haunted places, myths, legends, true crime,
then check out Spooky Tales. I coasted with my twin.
We talk about all those things, but with a focus
on Latin America. So it's a lot of stuff that
maybe you haven't heard about if you're listening to things
in English that happened and I don't know the United States,
So yeah, that's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Who even cares about that place?
Speaker 3: Lame?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: And then my other podcast is called Estorias Unknown that's
history in Spanish Eastorias, and then Unknown it's an English
The podcast just the name is half the Spanish, and
we talk about Latin American history or history to Latinos
Latinus in the US, and it's like things like, oh
my god, why I didn't I learn that in school.
So if that's sounds like something interesting to you, then yeah,
check that one out. I also coasted with my twin.
Speaker 2: And I love it.
Speaker 1: What else if you like more serious not people telling
each other a story. I do produce and write episodes
for Horror Story.
Speaker 2: You do, okay, So I knew you were holding out.
Oh it's excited.
Speaker 1: I do work for Scary FIM for Edwin Yeah yeah,
and then True Scary Story. I edit, like story edit
on that one. So that's other work that I do,
honestly work that I do with too much to name.
Speaker 2: So seriously, well, I knew about Scary Story, I didn't
know about Horror Story. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's exciting. Yeah,
you can tell when I took over because the quality
just you know, shut up through the roof, through the roof. Yes,
I haven't listened to the news show yet, so I
have to do that. I love history.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's I mean, it's a lot of depressant stories,
and like, I don't know, some people like to hear
very incited version of history where they're like, oh, this
is very biased and you're wrong, and I was like,
I'm sorry, I'm telling something that happened, and if you
don't like what happened doesn't mean that it's biased, you know.
And it's a lot like oh my god, I can't
believe the United States they're this. So yeah, I can
come off as like, oh, this is like you just
hate America first of all. Yes, but I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2: We kind of sucked, Like yeah, internationally, we've had some
pretty bad good.
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, but yeah, it's like that's fair. You know,
the Salvadoran Civil War, the Guatemalan Civil War, the international
adoption in Chile and Guatemala, which has both both been
super corrupt. So episodes like that, the bathriots happened in
Opaso in nineteen seventeen. So yeah, just things that you're like, Wow,
why didn't learn about this?
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on with us and
doing the story with me. Thanks for inviting me. I
have a crapy Yeah, say oh, I think that was
pretty good. That would get to me. I don't know
it did it did. As soon as we finished it,
you started glitching out and you had robot voice. Oh no,
that was so funny.
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