Speaker 1: Warrington kept up there, winning run. It's been a while.
Speaker 1: I'm going to start that again because I had the
Speaker 1: handover it. Warrington kept up there, winning run. It's been
Speaker 1: a while since Wigan one whole k are are picking
Speaker 1: up some pace. Cass and the Dragons lost a bit
Speaker 1: of face. Bradford are in that basket too. Lee and
Speaker 1: John are here to update you. Welcome to the nineteenth
Speaker 1: episode of Super League three sixty, a podcast primarily about
Speaker 1: the top tier of British rugby league.
Speaker 2: My name is Lee Addison and my name is John Davidson.
Speaker 1: John's in England is a journalist, but as you can
Speaker 1: tell by that a very strange accent, is an Australian
Speaker 1: and believe it or not, with my accent, i am
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Speaker 1: Also Rugby League dot Com. What's your Rugby league consumption
Speaker 1: been like this weekend.
Speaker 3: John watched the Thursday night game closely, well I watched
Speaker 3: I mean I know I watched it. I can't remember
Speaker 3: what it was. But the Thursday morning, well sorry Thursday
Speaker 3: night in our old game. Watched the Sharks, Cowboys and
Speaker 3: Yes and mainly Para and watched a lot of highlights
Speaker 3: of the other super League games because I was out
Speaker 3: and about so having a social life.
Speaker 2: How dare you?
Speaker 1: The Super League table after round nine Leeds Rhinos are
Speaker 1: top with fourteen points, but they're level on points with St.
Speaker 1: Helen's who are in second. Warrington are in third with
Speaker 1: twelve twelve, Wakefield Trinity in fourth and level one points
Speaker 1: with them with twelve. Holking some Rovers have climbed into
Speaker 1: the top six now they are fifth with ten points,
Speaker 1: and Wigan have slid to sixth on ten points and
Speaker 1: Catalans are also level with them with seven points in
Speaker 1: their bank. Hull Left c are in eighth with eight points,
Speaker 1: Lee Leopard's ninth with eight points. York Bradford are both
Speaker 1: on six points as our Castle for Tigers in tenth,
Speaker 1: eleventh and twelve respectfully, thirteenth respectively, sorry thirteenth. Huersfield Giants
Speaker 1: on four fourteenth to lose on four holding everybody up.
Speaker 1: I think the big news last week John was the
Speaker 1: England coaching job, and we'll get to that, but before
Speaker 1: we get to that, we're going to talk about a
Speaker 1: few different things. So Lee's laugh. This week is another
Speaker 1: interim see all of the rugby foot Wall League. What
Speaker 1: the hell are they doing? How many interims do they
Speaker 1: need before they what's going on there?
Speaker 3: Well, they had what Tony Saton left September October, then
Speaker 3: they appointed Avuakoku interim CEO till well March April. I
Speaker 3: don't think there was really any job available as in advertised.
Speaker 3: They just Cucko who was on the Strategic Niger Woods
Speaker 3: do Strategic Review group.
Speaker 2: And Roder Jones.
Speaker 3: Obviously he is the managing director of Rugby League Commercial,
Speaker 3: which is the commercial arm of British rugby Leaf shall
Speaker 3: we say so they've been advertising for that job, and
Speaker 3: I know obviously Tony Mestrov's been a name has been
Speaker 3: put out, but they don't seem to have for some
Speaker 3: reason made a decision and they've just made Rogery interim.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's I mean, I don't really know how
Speaker 3: much we can say about the governments of.
Speaker 2: The game in the UK. You know what, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if you saw it.
Speaker 3: I know I posted it on my Instagram, but James
Speaker 3: Graham's comments about the NRL talks with Super League and
Speaker 3: Andrew as visit and you know, the governance in the UK.
Speaker 3: He was just calling it an absolute joke and it's
Speaker 3: hard to argue with him when you when you've got
Speaker 3: Super League, you've got the RFL, you've got Rugby League commercial,
Speaker 3: you've got all these different boards, a lot of the
Speaker 3: same people sitting on the same boards, but it's quite
Speaker 3: just quite a convoluted structure. And then you've also got
Speaker 3: the RFL Council. So yeah, convoluted is certainly one way
Speaker 3: to put it. Tweet of the Week was for Allan Smith.
Speaker 3: What an awful headline but goes with your agenda of
Speaker 3: talking the game down at any opportunity. And the person
Speaker 3: is talking about he's our man, John David. What was
Speaker 3: all that about?
Speaker 2: John?
Speaker 3: That was about my my the follow up my latest
Speaker 3: story in North Wales. I think the headline, I mean,
Speaker 3: just for people who don't work in the media and
Speaker 3: have never worked in the media. Journalists well, traditionally journalists
Speaker 3: never write headlines.
Speaker 1: You never suggest them, like when you're sending you things,
Speaker 1: yes you do, yeah, yeah, yeah, And when I say never,
Speaker 1: I've got to quantify that. So obviously that that story
Speaker 1: was for a national newspaper that I freelance sports, so
Speaker 1: I didn't write that headline from my own patreon, I
Speaker 1: do write the headlines because you're editing and writing, and
Speaker 1: you know it's a mascot.
Speaker 3: But I didn't write that headline. Generally that sub editors
Speaker 3: or sports editors copy editors. So yeah, I appreciate Alan's
Speaker 3: support on that one, but I didn't write the headline.
Speaker 1: And he also said, maybe speak to somebody at Wales
Speaker 1: Rugby League and they will tell you of all the
Speaker 1: teams at community level and the work being done at grassroots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand where he's coming from. And that bit
Speaker 3: in the sense that the headline was something like, you know,
Speaker 3: rugby league on the brink of extinction in Wales or whatever.
Speaker 3: Now that was talking about professional game. So North Wales Crusaders,
Speaker 3: they're in the championship, they're on the brink of going bust.
Speaker 3: South Wales, I mean sorry, South Wales. West Wales they
Speaker 3: did rebrand numerous times. I think it was West Wales
Speaker 3: they died off in twenty twenty two. I think it
Speaker 3: was for twenty three. Isn't another professional club in Wales
Speaker 3: Wales didn't qualify for the World Cup that's on this year,
Speaker 3: you could say Welsh rugby League. Well, while there is
Speaker 3: no doubt doing some great work in the amateur game,
Speaker 3: in the community game, and the women's games growing a bit,
Speaker 3: the actual professional game is non existent. Yes, And I
Speaker 3: think with Wales rugby League, with their change in the
Speaker 3: national team, you know as in didn't make the World Cup,
Speaker 3: John Key left, they're actually I think some of their
Speaker 3: players actually came out a while ago and said they're
Speaker 3: not paying their players to actually pay either play for
Speaker 3: the country, which a lot of people be like, oh,
Speaker 3: you shouldn't have to, you shouldn't get paid to play
Speaker 3: for your country. But that's just a way of modern
Speaker 3: professional sport. So yeah, the game's not in a great
Speaker 3: way there. And Alan is an absolute fruit loop for
Speaker 3: just suggesting. And he's also a fruit loop for suggesting
Speaker 3: that I haven't like my gender is talking the game down,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I was tempted to send Alan all
Speaker 3: the recent tweets and stories that I've said about great
Speaker 3: tries and great moments and entertaining things. Or I could
Speaker 3: bore him with all the sacrifices and things that I've done,
Speaker 3: you know, whether it be unpaid or or things that
Speaker 3: I've done because I love the sport. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't want to bore Alan too much. He sounds like
Speaker 3: a tender, tender soul.
Speaker 1: I've also decided that that's Johnny's jab because I knew
Speaker 1: what you kind of response to that would be another
Speaker 1: Rugby League tweet of the week has only just come
Speaker 1: through really, and there's a few people tweeted this, but
Speaker 1: I've gone with Michael carry Arnis about West Tiger's captain
Speaker 1: Jerome Loue Eye meeting with chiefs officials and P and G.
Speaker 1: Now we are Super League three sixty, but we do
Speaker 1: talk about the m r L two and I thought
Speaker 1: that'd be quite pertinent, seen as it's quite fresh, fresh
Speaker 1: in the news cycle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I spotted that this morning. You can look
Speaker 3: at a number of different ways. If you're a Tigers fan,
Speaker 3: you're pissed off because they're absolutely flying at the moment.
Speaker 3: They're having the best season in ages, and you know,
Speaker 3: you don't want one of your best players, you know,
Speaker 3: linked with another club and he's got these weird get
Speaker 3: out causes, hasn't he that he can activate. If you're
Speaker 3: a P G Chiefs supporter or from BEng you're probably
Speaker 3: loving it because you know, if you if they get
Speaker 3: a big name, a big star name, that's going to
Speaker 3: attract atherstar names to join. And he's probably gone over there.
Speaker 3: It's on the break for a bit of a holiday,
Speaker 3: but also to have a look around and see what
Speaker 3: they're doing. And I'm sure they've pitched him hard and
Speaker 3: it's to their benefit to kind of that out in
Speaker 3: the media and get people talking about it.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned the word holiday. I don't think you go
Speaker 1: to P and G for a holiday.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think I think it's probably fair though,
Speaker 3: if you're a player and you want to, you're interested
Speaker 3: in signing, you're considering sign you probably would. If you've
Speaker 3: never been to the country, you would want to go
Speaker 3: and check it out, wouldn't you. Because there's a lot
Speaker 3: of stereotypes about P and G, a lot of opinions.
Speaker 3: I've never been there, so I can't really you know,
Speaker 3: I can look at the statistics and say it's got
Speaker 3: the I don't know whatever it is the sixth highest
Speaker 3: murder rate or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know. Obviously statistics can be used.
Speaker 3: But the country's got you know, I think it's fair
Speaker 3: to say it's the third world country, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's It is an interesting one because I
Speaker 3: think didn't Leu White say the other week that he
Speaker 3: played reserve grade for for job Man to you know,
Speaker 3: job man. So that's also an interesting comment.
Speaker 1: John's tweet of the week You can tweet him at
Speaker 1: Johnny D. Davidson. One from two days ago. Oo, wow,
Speaker 1: I think it is shades of g I and G Gasnier.
Speaker 1: Who was this that was? That was actually well, I
Speaker 1: think I think we did that in afternoon.
Speaker 2: That was the.
Speaker 3: I think actually no, it was either. I think it
Speaker 3: was Jesse d. So basically the ball was going out
Speaker 3: and he had to to to lose players chasing and
Speaker 3: he just popped it back in field to Galiano. I
Speaker 3: think the score and yeah, I like that two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight Ensact test try that Joe I whacked the
Speaker 3: ball back.
Speaker 2: In the gas and as he was going out. It
Speaker 2: was a great bit of skill.
Speaker 1: England have a new coach Brian McDermott. I personally I'm
Speaker 1: pleased with that, but I thought that was the fair choice.
Speaker 1: What do you think, John, Yeah, look, I think it's
Speaker 1: an interesting choice.
Speaker 3: I think he's without that a good coach, had success,
Speaker 3: a lot of success in Super League. I think it's
Speaker 3: interesting what he said in his first press are his
Speaker 3: first you know, we can win the World Cup.
Speaker 2: He had a bit of a shot at Sean Wayne.
Speaker 3: Didn't he about about jingoism at thought that was interesting
Speaker 3: and his joke Connor comments, Look, it seems like to
Speaker 3: him he's, you know, it's going to be a fresh
Speaker 3: and open book. I guess, you know, in the sense
Speaker 3: that he's gonna he's not going to go in there
Speaker 3: with any preconceived conceptions about players. He's going to pick
Speaker 3: on form and he's going to give everyone a chance.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's probably a bit of fresh air.
Speaker 3: The other component I think we'll probably talk about is
Speaker 3: George Williams injury, which puts him in doubt because I
Speaker 3: think I think he said George Williams will be my
Speaker 3: captain for the World Cup, and he is injured, it
Speaker 3: might not play in the World Cup.
Speaker 1: So let me let me talk about his dig at
Speaker 1: Wayne first, like, yeah, I don't think there was any
Speaker 1: point in him having a dig.
Speaker 2: I don't see what the benefit was there.
Speaker 1: I think he could have made his point without having
Speaker 1: a dig at the previous coach. He could have just
Speaker 1: said Jake Connor is totally in my thoughts and whatever
Speaker 1: has happened before is in the past. And instead it
Speaker 1: was a bit of a veiled dig And you know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know he's a very tough man, Brian McDermott,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just don't I don't think there's I
Speaker 1: didn't think that was needed. But hey ho, in terms
Speaker 1: of their halves, you've got a question here, who captains
Speaker 1: England and who are their halves? Well, I would have
Speaker 1: thought now the obvious ones are Mikey Lewis at six
Speaker 1: and Jake Connor at seven based on what we've seen
Speaker 1: in Super League, of course, though mcderbot has also thrown
Speaker 1: the door open for anybody who qualifies in Australia, so
Speaker 1: if there's any maybe maybe there's a half back with
Speaker 1: an English granddad somewhere that that's playing or running around
Speaker 1: in the NRL, or who knows, maybe in the Queensland Cup.
Speaker 2: Or the new South Wales Cup. Who knows. So I
Speaker 2: don't think that'll be picked him from reserve grade.
Speaker 1: Well, there's enough first grade players in England that have
Speaker 1: played in reserve grade. So and George Williams is injury too,
Speaker 1: I mean, how serious is that mate?
Speaker 2: It looks yeah, it looks very bad.
Speaker 3: I mean I think there's there's fears that he won't
Speaker 3: play again this season.
Speaker 2: Wow, there's a neck injury, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think obviously if he's got to go
Speaker 3: under the knife, you just don't know Harry recovers. The
Speaker 3: interesting thing is that he's actually been in a great
Speaker 3: form this year here. I mean last year terrible season,
Speaker 3: wasn't great the Ashes, but he's actually been in really
Speaker 3: good form. So it's it's really sad for George, for
Speaker 3: Warrington and yeah, I mean I think it does open
Speaker 3: the door again once more for for Jake Connor. And
Speaker 3: Harry Smith is injured at the moment, probably not been
Speaker 3: sending the world on fire. Obviously, different sort of player
Speaker 3: to Jake Connor, different sort of half back. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think if you're picking, if you're if you're the
Speaker 3: World Cup was nowt week and you're picking your England squad,
Speaker 3: you'd have Connor and Lewis. Lewis's on you know, it's
Speaker 3: on absolute fire. I think hat trick against Bradford yesterday
Speaker 3: set up another try for maybe with a great kick,
Speaker 3: So yeah, you'd have those two jobs there doing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean we can win it. Comment what
Speaker 2: did you make of that? Way? Do you mean a
Speaker 2: game or you're the you're the patriotic Englishman? Even Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, I mean again, I mean you're damned if you do,
Speaker 1: and you damned if you don't. I mean, if he
Speaker 1: was asked some question, yeah, then you're not going to
Speaker 1: say no. I mean I've criticized shame Flangan enough for
Speaker 1: saying no, we can't win the premiership.
Speaker 2: So you know, but.
Speaker 1: England meg winning a World Cup. England went in the
Speaker 1: World Cup. But as a coach and I expect the
Speaker 1: coach to think they will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think the Flannagan thing, you know we can't win
Speaker 3: the comp down immediately sublilably just says well, you know,
Speaker 3: why are we even bothering?
Speaker 2: So I think I think I think you're right.
Speaker 3: You've got to go out and say, look, we can
Speaker 3: win it, you know, but I think i'd like to
Speaker 3: hear from him. You talked about having a specific plan.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't know what that plan is, you
Speaker 3: you know. And also just to sort of say, okay,
Speaker 3: why hasn't you know England won anything for fifty five years?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And I know that's not an easy question to answer that,
Speaker 3: it'd be interesting to get his insight or why he
Speaker 3: thinks that that England hasn't and probably hasn't really been
Speaker 3: in many finals or winning positions for quite some time
Speaker 3: either by twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's a couple of big games.
Speaker 2: Well it's two big games against Tonga and P and G. Really,
Speaker 2: I think they'll get to the semifinals and they play
Speaker 2: Australia on New Zealand, you know, and then they win
Speaker 2: one of those games and that's massive success. But I
Speaker 2: think even getting the semifinals was probably, you know, in
Speaker 2: some ways of success when you look at well, there's
Speaker 2: no quarter final this time, is there? No? Y?
Speaker 3: Yeah, three games it's I think it's France, Tong Hour
Speaker 3: and P and G. Whether it's in that order or
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but yeah, I think I think they've
Speaker 3: got to get to the semi finals and then you know,
Speaker 3: if they can get to the final, or you know,
Speaker 3: if they win the whole thing, then you know, Sir
Speaker 3: Brian McDermott definitely without a doubt.
Speaker 2: What was the press unveiling? Was it a zoom thing?
Speaker 2: It was a zoom thing?
Speaker 3: Mad because obviously he's on the Gold Coast, is the
Speaker 3: assistant coach at the times?
Speaker 1: I wasn't on the What was it?
Speaker 3: It was about ten o'clock on Thursday. They announced it
Speaker 3: on AM, Yes, am, so it would have it would
Speaker 3: have been one am for him. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: ten am sorry ten am UK time? So what's that
Speaker 3: seven am Australian time? No, yeah, because you're at.
Speaker 1: One am ten pm? Was it ten pm? Ten am
Speaker 1: u K ten a m u K is one am
Speaker 1: in the morning here.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that many.
Speaker 1: I'm going no, sorry, sorry forget all that. I've only
Speaker 1: lived here twenty years. I'm going, I'm getting your night
Speaker 1: seven seven pm here, seven pm here.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to the tremendous airing job that you're
Speaker 2: going to make. No, no, no, I'm going to keep
Speaker 2: it in.
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep it in the especially because we
Speaker 1: the other week you were criticizing the Sky commentators for
Speaker 1: getting names wrong, the amount of things you and I
Speaker 1: get wrong sometimes, especially me sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they did it on Zoom at seven pm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which was fine once in George's day. I think
Speaker 3: specifically because it's the England coaching job. But it is
Speaker 3: funny because these things like it was linked out four
Speaker 3: or five days before. It's like big unveiling, big confirmation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: look at the I think Chris frad I didn't realize
Speaker 3: this at first, but Chris Radlynsky was on the panel
Speaker 3: as well, which is interesting. Field would and Sarah Symington,
Speaker 3: who I think has a hockey and athletics background. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a short term appointment, so it's kind of I guess,
Speaker 3: see what you can do with the World Cup and
Speaker 3: then we'll reassess. And I think if you McDermott, you
Speaker 3: you'd want you know. And he said this, he wants
Speaker 3: a longer term appointment. He wants you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've lost the game. Four Super League games on
Speaker 1: the bounce, four losses in five games. I mean, do
Speaker 1: we use the C word crisis, I'm not sure. I
Speaker 1: mean they're missing they're missing their two halves. But I
Speaker 1: think check Wordle was back for the Warrington game. It's
Speaker 1: a tough one and they're not playing well. You know,
Speaker 1: the lot the results show that, and there've been some
Speaker 1: really poor performances, like the hardest feel game in that
Speaker 1: was you know, they were dire. The cast of the game,
Speaker 1: they were very dire, and I think looking at the
Speaker 1: Warrington game that Warrington are a good team in great form.
Speaker 1: The worrying thing for me was some of the lion
Speaker 1: speed and the contact defense. Two of the tries, particularly
Speaker 1: the first one three looks like you've just got gy
Speaker 1: Field not coming off the line and Gryfield has never
Speaker 1: been the world's greatest defending fullback, but you've got to
Speaker 1: make a bit more effort now their attack's not really
Speaker 1: throwing any punches. So yeah, it's a weird one.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I don't know if crisis is fair, but there are
Speaker 3: obviously a lot of people, a lot of Wigan fans
Speaker 3: who are not happy writing them off.
Speaker 1: I think in isolation, so forget the other fixtures. I
Speaker 1: think Wigan losing at Warrington is not that shocker result.
Speaker 1: You know, that's happened plenty of times before. What hasn't
Speaker 1: happened a lot though before is previously Castleford winning at Wigan,
Speaker 1: especially when their bottom two in the Super Lic Ladder,
Speaker 1: the way they lost the Good Friday Derby after being
Speaker 1: in control for most of the game and then falling
Speaker 1: asleep from the last ten, and then a pretty significant
Speaker 1: sizeable defeat against Huddersfield on the twenty eighth of March
Speaker 1: and at home as well, And do you remember we
Speaker 1: did after the hoot and I said there was some
Speaker 1: warning signs there for wigged on the Thursday, the nineteenth
Speaker 1: of March, when they only scraped home against York. So
Speaker 1: we're talking since the middle of March basically, and we're
Speaker 1: going to be in May very soon. So this isn't
Speaker 1: This isn't something that's just happened overnight. This is now
Speaker 1: baked in, I think, And you do have to worry,
Speaker 1: I think, and.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: We're gonna so used to success and demanding success. They
Speaker 1: play Bradford at home on Saturday, and I'm very sure
Speaker 1: they'll win that because Bradford are so depleted. And then
Speaker 1: on Saturday, the ninth of May, they've got Saint Helen's
Speaker 1: and the Cup. That's a huge game. If they were
Speaker 1: to lose that, then I think there might be some
Speaker 1: serious questions asked in that joint, if they aren't being
Speaker 1: asked already. I know what Maurice Lindsay would have done
Speaker 1: for losses on the Trot. Put it that way, Oh,
Speaker 1: the coach would have been gone by now two years.
Speaker 2: Even if you'd won, even if you Okay.
Speaker 1: Frank Kencott made the Grand Final of the year before
Speaker 1: and got sat. I think he'd lost two games on
Speaker 1: the Trots or something like that, three games on the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It is a puzzling one because, uh, they're that Wakefield game,
Speaker 3: you know that was that was a hell of a game,
Speaker 3: and you know they came out on top.
Speaker 2: But I don't think they played badly in that game.
Speaker 3: And you're right, the good the Easter game, the Sinnalance game.
Speaker 3: I still don't really know how they lost that, and
Speaker 3: I think that that really killed a lot of confidence
Speaker 3: in them, because they do seem to get up for
Speaker 3: I mean, at least lately the bigger teams, the bigger games.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there will definitely be some some hard questions
Speaker 3: asked internally. I think I think, you know, missing a
Speaker 3: couple of players is you know, is having an impact
Speaker 3: and I think also I think forward wise, their pack
Speaker 3: is probably not. You know, they lost lin Byrne, they
Speaker 3: lost Harvey Hill. I think because of their salary cap
Speaker 3: that haven't really been able to recruit. Well, I tell
Speaker 3: a lot they brought in. I think it was Oliver
Speaker 3: Wilson from Huddersfield and then he did his a cl
Speaker 3: and Brew season, so we won't play this season. So
Speaker 3: I think their pack is a little bit limited, and
Speaker 3: I think that's because of the way their cap is
Speaker 3: and the fact that Miski hasn't played all season, So
Speaker 3: then you've got who's been on fire, but you've had
Speaker 3: him on the wing when he's really a center or
Speaker 3: pill black. Yeah, I think they're managing a few things
Speaker 3: and it's not really work for them. So there's book
Speaker 3: There' still plenty of time in the season for them
Speaker 3: to turn around. But you're you are right, that's in
Speaker 3: hell's game, that cup game. You know, you get to
Speaker 3: a Challenge Cup final, you think, well, we're not doing.
Speaker 2: Too bad our way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's what's the dynamic between Matty Pete and Sean Wayne? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think when they first was appointed.
Speaker 1: It was a mental type position where yeah, but I mean,
Speaker 1: is is Matty Pte unmantorable now in the in terms
Speaker 1: of the fact that he succeeded so well or what
Speaker 1: what's the dynamics there?
Speaker 3: I know, I know when they started off, as in
Speaker 3: when when Pete was a young coach, he came in
Speaker 3: under under Wayne, as in you know, in the academy
Speaker 3: and Wayne was head coach, and you know, he learned
Speaker 3: a lot of him. I know he said on a
Speaker 3: on another podcast once that you know, he's three main influencers,
Speaker 3: you know, one of them was right Lynsky, the other
Speaker 3: one was Sean Wayne. And I know it was described
Speaker 3: to me when he, you know, a couple of years
Speaker 3: ago when he got the head coach job, that he
Speaker 3: was a Sewan Wayne clone. Now I think he's a
Speaker 3: very different individual and different philosophy to to Sean Wayne.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I think I do have a
Speaker 3: good relationship and a strong relationship. And I know, I
Speaker 3: know around East of time there was some while that
Speaker 3: someone told me it was some wild speculation that Okay,
Speaker 3: we're going to look at Maddy Pete as the and
Speaker 3: I just, yeah, I think that's completely unbelievable because Pete
Speaker 3: is you know, Wiganbowne and Bred come through the coaching ranks,
Speaker 3: you know, a close relationship with the CEO and you
Speaker 3: know works he honor six, seven, eight year contract or whatever.
Speaker 3: Now that doesn't mean you can't be moved on, but
Speaker 3: you know, obviously that's not happening at this point. I
Speaker 3: couldn't see that happening.
Speaker 1: I also think as well that it would be human
Speaker 1: and only human for people to doubt. And you know,
Speaker 1: I respect Sean Wayne, but obviously his to be to
Speaker 1: be a Sean Wayne prodigy after what happened in the
Speaker 1: Ashes has taken a bit of a hit as well
Speaker 1: because of the style of football that was played, and
Speaker 1: a serious analysis of that football suggests that England were
Speaker 1: playing an old fashioned style of football that isn't in
Speaker 1: volgue anymore on the other side of the world where
Speaker 1: the game is so strong. So maybe maybe we've seen
Speaker 1: a little bit of a crisis of confidence too, because
Speaker 1: one thing I did notice is when they were winning
Speaker 1: the games is how much it was based on attrition.
Speaker 1: Even though they had those exciting talents at their disposal
Speaker 1: at the time, there was still very much building pressure
Speaker 1: being very patient, quite safety first actually, which which is
Speaker 1: a little bit shorn wayni ish, and I hope I'm
Speaker 1: saying that with respect to Matt Pete and Sean Wayne
Speaker 1: there So anyhow, definitely some questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think they've played slightly different styles and
Speaker 3: I think and the Pete they have been a bit
Speaker 3: more free flowing, and particularly with Field and French. I
Speaker 3: think part of at the moment is because of that
Speaker 3: Solary Carat pressure, they've had to let a few players go.
Speaker 3: They've got the next brood of young players coming through,
Speaker 3: but I think probably some of them aren't ready to
Speaker 3: be playing week in week out, So they're not in
Speaker 3: a rebuilding phase by any means, but I think they're
Speaker 3: in kind of a mini partnery building. And you know,
Speaker 3: there is quite a few older players in that scene.
Speaker 3: If you look at what Leam Farrell like, he's been
Speaker 3: playing superlut for what five thousand years?
Speaker 2: You know, is his last year? You know?
Speaker 3: Is he you know, one of those players that maybe
Speaker 3: needs to you know, they need to. I don't want
Speaker 3: to say move on, because he's been a fantastic service
Speaker 3: the club, but maybe this is his last year, you know.
Speaker 3: And then there's there's a few others. Obviously, I'm not
Speaker 3: sure how old French and Field are. I'm presuming they're
Speaker 3: around the thirty mark.
Speaker 2: Thirty year old mark. You assume you're talking about Bevan French,
Speaker 2: not Ray French.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then Miski is obviously another one serious injuries,
Speaker 3: you know, injury problems. So yeah, maybe there's you know,
Speaker 3: they're looking at for next year to you know, some
Speaker 3: some bigger recruitment or some cap space.
Speaker 1: And talking tactically again too, John, if you look at
Speaker 1: the way the NRL in particular is going, one of
Speaker 1: the biggest wrestling teams in rugby league history has been
Speaker 1: the Melbourne Storm. The way the roots are being sped up,
Speaker 1: I mean people are pointing at that and saying, well,
Speaker 1: they can't wrestle as much anymore, and you can't. Ryles
Speaker 1: was an apprentice of that Storm system and his defense
Speaker 1: has been has been touch and go to say the least.
Speaker 1: And then of course Sean Wayne was a disciple of
Speaker 1: Madge McGuire who who was very heavy on the wrestle
Speaker 1: and his protege Matt Pete, and that things have changed
Speaker 1: a little bit there in terms of the rules. And
Speaker 1: then I'm going back to Australia, Madge McGuire. Yes he
Speaker 1: was a big wrestling coach, but won a premiership last
Speaker 1: year because he had some damn good footballers who could
Speaker 1: score more than the opposition regardless of how many of
Speaker 1: the opposition could score and he was smart enough and
Speaker 1: had the emotional and mental bandwidth to be able to
Speaker 1: adjust to that too. So maybe this is what Matty
Speaker 1: Pete needs to start thinking about too. I'm just throwing
Speaker 1: it out there. Sheffield Eagles. So we're going down a
Speaker 1: division now and not so long ago it would have
Speaker 1: been two divisions down. But Sheffield Eagles a moving stadium
Speaker 1: where they're moving from john where they're moving to and
Speaker 1: why are the funds complaining?
Speaker 2: Well, the long stories.
Speaker 3: The long story is that they had don Valley Stadium
Speaker 3: as the home of the Eagles for a long long
Speaker 3: time and then or I'm going to say ten years
Speaker 3: or so ago, maybe a little bit longer, that was
Speaker 3: torn down with the prospect of this new stadium being built,
Speaker 3: Olympic Legacy Park in Attacliffe. Now, that took a lot
Speaker 3: longer and Sheffield Eagles went on no manic existence where
Speaker 3: they played in Doncaster, they played in rather they played
Speaker 3: in Wakefield. They played all over Bloody Yorkshire. Eventually Olympic
Speaker 3: Legacy got part got built by the former owner of
Speaker 3: Sheffield United, but it's effectively one stand and look it's
Speaker 3: a pretty crap venue. I've been there a few times
Speaker 3: and I think Sheffield Eagles crowds are something like about
Speaker 3: five hundred now, which obviously they were more than that
Speaker 3: in the past, probably more around the fifteen hundred two
Speaker 3: thousand mark, at least in their heyday in the twenty
Speaker 3: eleven twenty twelve season where I think they won back
Speaker 3: to background finals. Now, their owner Jeremy and Lovine, also
Speaker 3: owned Sheffield FC, which has legitimate claims have been the
Speaker 3: oldest soccer club in the worldly. Your favorite sport the
Speaker 3: round ball game, so he also owns Sheffield FC. Now
Speaker 3: they play in Dronfield, which is actually North Derbyshire, so
Speaker 3: it is technically a different county, but it's not far
Speaker 3: from Sheffield. But the issue is I think there's a
Speaker 3: few I'm not and I've been past it, but I
Speaker 3: think there's a few issues. That there's no great public
Speaker 3: transport there. I think there's like one bus every hour
Speaker 3: or two hours. There's apparently a lot of bush or
Speaker 3: woodland behind it, so you're going to kick the ball
Speaker 3: out and go and spend an hour trying.
Speaker 2: To find your ball.
Speaker 3: Take ten instead of Yeah, it's not gone down well
Speaker 3: with the Eagles fans. The move basically what a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, what Sheffield Eagles announced or their owner
Speaker 3: announced they wanted to build a new stadium in another
Speaker 3: part of Sheffield and dull share it with Sheffield FC,
Speaker 3: and the Council's just kind.
Speaker 2: Of said, nah, that's not happening. So that's kind of
Speaker 2: been three years to sit there.
Speaker 3: I did a story a couple of months ago. They
Speaker 3: are looking at another site on Woodburn Road, which is
Speaker 3: near Olympic Legacy Park in central Sheffield, but nothing's really
Speaker 3: happened to the mat so this is a sort of
Speaker 3: another move. So Sheffield Eagles are a weird club in
Speaker 3: my experience having lived in Sheffield for a long time.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of good people at the club, but
Speaker 3: they're not very transparent the club. You know, they don't
Speaker 3: really deal much with media. They get next to no
Speaker 3: media coverage in Sheffield from the local paper or the
Speaker 3: local rate. Yeah and yeah, I think I think it's
Speaker 3: a club and a city with a lot of potential,
Speaker 3: but it's not really being maximized. And then we've had
Speaker 3: kind of the Mark Aston saga for the last sixteen
Speaker 3: months or so, which has been very toxic for the club,
Speaker 3: shall we say, because.
Speaker 2: His talk a little bit about that later, I think
Speaker 2: because a question. Yeah, I mean, I don't really know.
Speaker 3: There's a lot we can say in the fact that
Speaker 3: obviously there was a massive case about concussion and the
Speaker 3: allegation that he played a player in a game that
Speaker 3: he knew was had failed a concussion test and was
Speaker 3: ineligible and then he got a massive ban. But I
Speaker 3: mean I read a lot about that case, and I
Speaker 3: think you know that he was very harshly dealt with.
Speaker 3: I don't think he was aware of that the player
Speaker 3: had failed the test, and it was actually a lot
Speaker 3: to do with the RFL's you know, terrible handling of
Speaker 3: the issue, and they tried to make him escape boat
Speaker 3: and he wasn't escape. But yeah, sort of the the
Speaker 3: fallout from that, as seen obviously Mark asked and make
Speaker 3: Aston left the club. His son, who was a player
Speaker 3: at the club, left to join Doncaster, and I think
Speaker 3: his daughter worked at the club and was also left,
Speaker 3: so that's caused a massive rift among the fan base
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: John, because you're a negative bastard. Let's talk about north
Speaker 1: Wales now so you can upset your talent. What's going
Speaker 1: on each week? When I ask the question and is
Speaker 1: north Wales still alive? The club not the area?
Speaker 2: Can we talk about you know four nil mainly Fosborne.
Speaker 2: I'll be very positive and happy. You have to go
Speaker 2: on NRL three sixty for that. Yeah, okay, yeah, north
Speaker 2: Wales so the lowest.
Speaker 3: As I wrote the other day, there's two groups bidding
Speaker 3: to take over the club, two separate groups. The Caroen
Speaker 3: owners are holding out. I think they want at least
Speaker 3: one hundred k for the club, even though they're in
Speaker 3: at least one hundred and fifty grand debt. So at
Speaker 3: the same point, because the players haven't been played, a
Speaker 3: huge number of them have left to sign for other
Speaker 3: clubs to Swinton, to Salford, to Hunslet. Halifax are looking
Speaker 3: to sign too, I believe a proper and a half back.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I think North Wales they're not.
Speaker 3: There's probably a pulse, but they're almost like down on
Speaker 3: the table.
Speaker 1: And are they playing this weekend? Have they played.
Speaker 3: They don't have a game this weekend. They schedule the
Speaker 3: play next weekend. But I can't see how that game
Speaker 3: takes place. Their last game was canceled, that was a
Speaker 3: Cup game. I can't see how they Yeah, they survive.
Speaker 3: I think even that the groups that want to take
Speaker 3: them over, even they I think probably privately recognized that
Speaker 3: the club might have to go bust and go under
Speaker 3: and then for the debt to be wiped for, you know,
Speaker 3: and then restarted. But the whole kind of issue here, Lee,
Speaker 3: is that these owners, you know, I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: know if I can or should call them frauds or comment,
Speaker 3: but maybe.
Speaker 2: I just did.
Speaker 3: They were you know, approved as owners by the RFL
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, in the twenty twenty four so
Speaker 3: you just like fit and proper person's test, Lee, you know,
Speaker 3: suitability of ownership. Like you know, if Paul Pott, if
Speaker 3: Paul Pot tried to get a license off the RFL,
Speaker 3: I reckon, they'd probably approve him. You know, it's it's.
Speaker 1: Not good enough, no doubt, no doubt. The IRL Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, what's this all about?
Speaker 3: So they're setting up basically a new Hall of fame
Speaker 3: for the international game. They're looking to do the first inductees,
Speaker 3: bringing to you together a panel.
Speaker 2: Of who should judge?
Speaker 3: I guess then I think they're going to do the
Speaker 3: probably the unveiling in the World Cup as in the
Speaker 3: first batch.
Speaker 2: Who would you question for you, Lee?
Speaker 3: Who would you have in if you are gonna pick
Speaker 3: I don't know, well, I could probably say three, but
Speaker 3: five are the best players of all time.
Speaker 1: Let's go five. I was gonna I was going to
Speaker 1: have to bring it up as a thing, let's pick
Speaker 1: five together. But I think what you have to do
Speaker 1: is look at the Golden Boot winners as your first start,
Speaker 1: your starting point. Okay, so this is yeah, So look
Speaker 1: at your Golden Boot winners and then maybe look at
Speaker 1: who maybe just missed out that year or whatnot. And
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that she is your short
Speaker 1: list right now. Right now, we've only got the the winners.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to list the winners and have you
Speaker 1: got a pen there or something like that or your
Speaker 1: phone just to type in? So your winners are Wally Lewis,
Speaker 1: Brett Kenny, Gary, Jack, Hugh McGann, Peter Sterling, Ellery, Hanley Malmninger,
Speaker 1: Gary Scholfield, Joey Johns, Brad Fittler, Joey Johns, Stacey Jones,
Speaker 1: Darren Lockier, Andy Farrell, Anthony Minichello, Darren Lockier, Cameron Smith,
Speaker 1: Billy Slater, Greg Ingliss, Benji Marshall, Jonathan Thurston, Kevin Sinfield,
Speaker 1: Jonathan First Thurston, Sean Johnson, Jonathan Thurston, Cooper Krank, Cameron Smith,
Speaker 1: Tommy Makinson, Roger two of Vasaschek, Joseph Marnoo, James Fisher,
Speaker 1: Harris as Ieo and Harry Grant.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I think we have a couple of that we can
Speaker 1: shortlist straight away, John in my In my case, Jonathan
Speaker 1: Thurston's won three, so we'll put him on our short list.
Speaker 1: Cameron Smith's one two, Darren Lockyer has won two, Joey
Speaker 1: John's has won two. So I think those four people
Speaker 1: are definitely on a short list, and I think they
Speaker 1: probably need an English one, so put Hillary Anley on.
Speaker 1: There's the Hall of Fame, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: The only problem with that lead is you're basically from
Speaker 3: that nineteen eighty four onwards, and you know the game
Speaker 3: has been played since ninety five, so I think we
Speaker 3: need to end You're looking at people like Neil Fox,
Speaker 3: Billy Boston, Clive.
Speaker 1: Sullivan, Johnny Raper, Yeah, Bob Fulton, Graham Lang One's yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so yeah, yeah, there's you know, the same you
Speaker 1: know for the Kiwi's you know, whether it be hum again.
Speaker 2: You know, James Lula Why people before that and French
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I look, I think it's a good I
Speaker 3: think we need something like a Hall of Fame. I
Speaker 3: think something that rugby league does in my opinion, and
Speaker 3: you may disagree. I don't think we celebrate our history
Speaker 3: in our past. And I know, I know I had
Speaker 3: this when I first moved to England. I didn't really
Speaker 3: know much about the history of the game over here
Speaker 3: because in Australia it's like the game started in nineteen
Speaker 3: o eight and we did this actually.
Speaker 1: Start No no, well no, no, no, no, the game
Speaker 1: started in nineteen ninety six in England. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the other thing.
Speaker 3: The Alex Johnson record is fantastic, but it's not try
Speaker 3: score in rugby league history. That's Brian Bevan, you know,
Speaker 3: the Ausie who played for Warrington who scored Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, I think we've got to We've
Speaker 2: got to recognize history.
Speaker 1: Equally incorrect, right, I mean, there's so many ways we
Speaker 1: can go about that. And obviously you know there's a
Speaker 1: there's a medal named after Dally Messenger, who was the
Speaker 1: first ever tourist exactly. Yeah, you know, so there's there's
Speaker 1: so many, so many stories. And the other thing, there's
Speaker 1: so many ways they could do it too. They could
Speaker 1: they could maybe say the top ten nations they all
Speaker 1: have one inductee each, or he could say every nation,
Speaker 1: so you know, for example, Poland's would be somebody like
Speaker 1: Voi Check Shakowski who has played probably butchered his name,
Speaker 1: we just called him tech but he he's played through
Speaker 1: for Poland for a number of years at different levels
Speaker 1: and when Poland was traveling differently, and I think he
Speaker 1: was very much the heartbeat of Poland, and he'd have
Speaker 1: a very different story to Ellery Hanley or Joey John's.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's so many positive things we can do
Speaker 1: with that, I think. So I quite like that story
Speaker 1: and maybe we should debate it in the future too,
Speaker 1: when we're probably lacking a bit of content if there's
Speaker 1: no games. We reviewed a couple of games at the
Speaker 1: weekend and we did that in after the hooter and
Speaker 1: then since then castle Ford played Hull left C the
Speaker 1: John cartrightless Hull left C Castle for ten we tries
Speaker 1: from Papa Langi or two tries from a Papalangi and
Speaker 1: a goal from Weaver left C fifty John Arthur Briscoe
Speaker 1: Litton scored two, Bailey, Martin Hardacre Custant Aiding scored the
Speaker 1: other tries. Hardacre got seven. They reacted to the departure
Speaker 1: of their coach with nine tries. And I've got to
Speaker 1: be honest, I actually put this as a topic. What
Speaker 1: you know, HAOLEFC winning so heavily was a real shock.
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I know it was for me.
Speaker 3: I mean I think I in the tipping com by
Speaker 3: picked Cass coming off, you know, the great win over Wigan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a was a really shot for me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's possibly sorry, you go, you go. I was just
Speaker 3: gonna say, a great early trifle of C and then
Speaker 3: Casco and man down for a head shot. And I
Speaker 3: can see two tries in that period when I had
Speaker 3: twelve men and then just completely filled the police is
Speaker 3: like some of the defensive efforts were so weak. Tom Deaver,
Speaker 3: so Tom Tom Weaver, the diva. Yeah, I mean he
Speaker 3: got really exposed. But you know there was a hall
Speaker 3: of sea. Were looked electric, some some great.
Speaker 1: I also think what was going to say, It's probably
Speaker 1: speaks to the bipolar nature of the castle for Tiger
Speaker 1: Side this year. Yes, it does, because one week they've
Speaker 1: been Gordon, the other week they've been very poor.
Speaker 3: The only Canada is Papalangi I think, who scored two
Speaker 3: tries in every game he plays. He's he's been brilliant
Speaker 3: by far cast as best player all season.
Speaker 1: But we should maybe called Cast the weathermen. We only
Speaker 1: get the only get the job right once a fortnite
Speaker 1: and still.
Speaker 2: We We can also address the Holo fans love of
Speaker 2: of you, well me and you, but I think particularly
Speaker 2: you after the last podcast. Yeah, they're big fans of you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I think we can address
Speaker 1: that later because somebody asked a question about fans, so
Speaker 1: we'll go to that, right. Warrington twenty three against the
Speaker 1: crisis hit hit Wigan six, who only scored one try
Speaker 1: through Eckersley and a goal from kir And. Warrington tries
Speaker 1: two to Tulit, two to Hoppowarti goals to Snade who
Speaker 1: scored three and also a drop goal. Warrington chugging along
Speaker 1: quite nicely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bounce back from that that defeating and Catalans for me, Albert,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you personally know John
Speaker 2: from your time at ME very very well, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: good friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what that bloodline like that and it
Speaker 1: does doesn't get the credit for it, and you know,
Speaker 1: you know without can you imagine what Manly Seagulls would
Speaker 1: be like without the trevoyeviches and the Hopo artis.
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to be horrible world.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine what their junior development system would be like?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Honestly, you know sopole artist in particularly. I wrote about
Speaker 1: them in my book which is Rugby League Coach Hurting,
Speaker 1: Game Changing Conversations, Transform Your Coaching available Amazon and stuff
Speaker 1: from me. Yeah. Yeah, it's an amazing bloodline, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: And in the women's game too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, so John was for those who didn't seem
Speaker 3: play and would take the finger anticks out of it.
Speaker 3: Was a great player played for Australia player from you
Speaker 3: so well as one comps with mainly William was an
Speaker 3: absolute freak. You know in the NRL and Super League.
Speaker 1: I think I coached will when he was Manly and.
Speaker 2: Think Origin at eighteen, didn't he like he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, old walk Warwick Bullmer who leads the song in
Speaker 1: the dressing room for Mamly. He said, he right in
Speaker 1: front of me and I can still picture his face
Speaker 1: in my mind's eye. He looked at William play. He
Speaker 1: said that he's the best I've seen since Fitler. When
Speaker 1: he was a kid, William Homer, I think he was on.
Speaker 3: Might have this a little bit wrong, but he was
Speaker 3: on something like three hundred grand as a sixteen year old,
Speaker 3: because that's how good he was rated as well.
Speaker 1: I was coaching him at the time, so he he's much.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that he went to play SG ball
Speaker 1: as soon as he finished with the under sixteens. He
Speaker 1: went to play under eighteens. With his first touch he
Speaker 1: scored a length of the field try, and his third
Speaker 1: touch I think he scored a length of the field try.
Speaker 1: And then he was in under twenties as soon as
Speaker 1: he was able to be. And he was about six
Speaker 1: days older than Brad Fitler when it came to play
Speaker 1: in Origin. And then he went on a Mormon mission,
Speaker 1: and I said to him that he's probably his greatest
Speaker 1: achievement was how he came back after that Mormon mission,
Speaker 1: So for two years not even allowed to train. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you did, you did say they did sort of
Speaker 1: allow him to do a little bit. But I'm pretty
Speaker 1: convinced it wouldn't have been as tough as what Dead
Speaker 1: has A would have given him. And for him to
Speaker 1: hold a solid, very very solid professional career, he never
Speaker 1: let anybody down and played a thing close to two
Speaker 1: hundred games, I think something like that, so really good,
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 3: And then and then you've got Jamil who was a
Speaker 3: massive talent, played in the or the Broncos, but obviously
Speaker 3: off the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and had Jamal in my team's too. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know he I.
Speaker 3: Know some people who taught him at Santa Gastin's And yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I think it was attitude, wasn't it?
Speaker 2: That was the problem. But he had the talent.
Speaker 3: And then you've got you've got Lehi who's killing it
Speaker 3: it mainly now, and then Albert Hoppawadi, who, to be honest,
Speaker 3: I've not heard that much of it, but I think
Speaker 3: he went through three a c ls most recently so
Speaker 3: was that mainly went to camera. He's only young. I
Speaker 3: think he's only twenty three, twenty four. And then Warrington
Speaker 3: have taken a pun on an issue and he's been
Speaker 3: great for Warrenton, like he that tries scored against Wigan.
Speaker 2: He scored two on Friday night. But he's been a great,
Speaker 2: great signing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, just and then obviously there's the daughter or
Speaker 3: the sister who plays for the Roosters, I think in
Speaker 3: the w so that I don't think there's another rugby
Speaker 3: league family with that many, and I.
Speaker 1: Don't think you've listed them all in terms of cousins
Speaker 1: and everything else.
Speaker 3: Well no, I was going to say there's a couple
Speaker 3: of uncles and cousins in there as well, but just
Speaker 3: that that immediate family union.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Leeds forty six Catalans four Leeds tries, Handy SIV only
Speaker 1: scored one. We need to check on him. Hall scored two, Levi, Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Croft and McDonald seven goals to Jake Connor, the New
Speaker 1: England half Catalans every week this Darryl at All scored
Speaker 1: a try for them, just to make it hard for
Speaker 1: me to pronounce Catalans well, talk about bipolar talk about
Speaker 1: weather men.
Speaker 2: There they are.
Speaker 3: They are literally great one week and terrible the next.
Speaker 3: And this is very very soft opening trifle Leads and
Speaker 3: then it kicked up and there's a tap back which
Speaker 3: is a walkover for Civo and then some lovely, lovely
Speaker 3: passing from Jake Connor, cut out pass from him, the
Speaker 3: same from Lockey Miller and leads. Yeah, leads are just
Speaker 3: they're looking really really good, you know them themselves and
Speaker 3: Warranton I think, and you know a whole k are
Speaker 3: really building momentum now. But but Leeds just when they're
Speaker 3: when they're on the way, they move the ball, big
Speaker 3: forward packs and really you know, skillful backs and yeah,
Speaker 3: just tour talk Catalands.
Speaker 1: Apart Catalans, Catalands. It's catalans. Oh you're such a mank
Speaker 1: John whole k r forty eight at Bradford, who only
Speaker 1: scored twelve on their small ground. I mentioned it every week.
Speaker 1: Tries for Douglas and Eden for Bradford Bulls and two
Speaker 1: goals to act King Hulk are four tries to Mikey Lewis,
Speaker 1: who's going to partner Jake Connor for England. May scored one,
Speaker 1: Martin scored one. Broad Bent scored one and Hiku scored
Speaker 1: one and the goals eight from Martin. We've mentioned, ok,
Speaker 1: are they're building momentum Brafford going the exact opposite way,
Speaker 1: aren't they.
Speaker 3: Well that basically casualty. I think they had fifteen fit
Speaker 3: players to train or something. This week they had to
Speaker 3: bring in Greg Eden from North Wales to field the team.
Speaker 3: So I think you know, everyone and their mom was
Speaker 3: expecting a hot k Are win, pretty soft opening try
Speaker 3: and then you know, if some of the trial line
Speaker 3: defense was non existing.
Speaker 2: Michael Lewis had a field day really.
Speaker 3: Just too big and strong round the ball, and yeah
Speaker 3: it was it was one way traffic. Yeah, I mean, okay,
Speaker 3: after that poor start of the season, I think everyone
Speaker 3: expected them to come back and they're really doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: Think well, I think a few people probably wrote them off,
Speaker 3: but I wasn't certainly writing them off after you know,
Speaker 3: round one and after Vegas and yeah they're they're looking
Speaker 3: good and yeah, you feel for Bradford. We've just got
Speaker 3: no fit players and can't really recruit anyone. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a really tough period from I think there was another player,
Speaker 3: I think Logan Lewis hia On on Saturday as well,
Speaker 3: So yeah, tough time for the Bulls.
Speaker 1: Saint Helen's eighteen Wakey twelve. It was sixteen mil at
Speaker 1: halftime for Saint Helens, which means Wakefield had quite a
Speaker 1: good comeback. Tries to Davis Felton, sailor for Saint Helens,
Speaker 1: three kicks to Hastings, Wakefield scored through Smoothie and far
Speaker 1: Tilly and two goals for Simfield. I think that's a
Speaker 1: very big win for Saint Helen's actually, yeah, and typical
Speaker 1: Wakefield this year. I mean when they lose, they don't
Speaker 1: get better, do they.
Speaker 3: No, No, Wakefield were right in it, and I think
Speaker 3: just the disappointing from them was that they went they
Speaker 3: gave up such an early lead sixteen points, three tries
Speaker 3: and then fought back well. But at the end I
Speaker 3: had a lot of ball, they just had last tackle
Speaker 3: options and couldn't really create anything in that last ten
Speaker 3: minutes when you really the game was there, you know,
Speaker 3: for the taking arguably, But Saint Ellen's it's just remarkable
Speaker 3: actually because they've they've had so many injuries and while
Speaker 3: they've got much better depth than a lot of clubs,
Speaker 3: you know, no Lee's no Wellsby, you know, sort of
Speaker 3: makeshift players in certain positions, but they're just doing doing so.
Speaker 2: Well finding ways to win.
Speaker 3: We've got to give a lot of credit to those
Speaker 3: players and to poor Rolie for for what they're doing.
Speaker 2: And you think when they get you.
Speaker 3: Know, those players like World's be back, you know, right
Speaker 3: up there in contention for trophies. So an impressive display
Speaker 3: from from Saint Helens, you know, on their home turf.
Speaker 1: Questions.
Speaker 2: Leonard R.
Speaker 1: Gregory on X said which super League fan base is
Speaker 1: most easily triggered? And is it finally Warrington's year? And
Speaker 1: I don't know the way he wrote that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he was saying, by the way the answers Warrington, Yeah,
Speaker 1: right right, which super League fan base is the most
Speaker 1: easily triggered? I mean, my my take on it either
Speaker 1: in the final is hilef C and Bradford based on
Speaker 1: my experiences, that's that's probably fair.
Speaker 2: Look, I think in my.
Speaker 3: What fourteen years of so covering super League, I think
Speaker 3: I've been accused of being having a generalgainst every club
Speaker 3: that's ever and because there is a whole KR fan
Speaker 3: on Twitter called John Davison I usually get accused of
Speaker 3: being a whole KR fan, which I'm not. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the wholef C fans, and there are some some normal,
Speaker 3: sensible ones out there. I do communicate with a few
Speaker 3: of them, but they are very touchy when it comes
Speaker 3: to any criticism of their club or their management. The
Speaker 3: whole John cart Right, Richard Miler thing. Miler obviously did
Speaker 3: one interview. He knocked back a request to go on Sky,
Speaker 3: not back the BBC, which the BBC interesting, BBC Humberside
Speaker 3: tweeted that out, and a lot of the holest teams
Speaker 3: self C fans seems to think, oh, he's done one interview,
Speaker 3: that's it. That's not how generally sport and the media works.
Speaker 3: You don't kind of just hide behind a set of answers.
Speaker 3: But for me, this is kind of what people Roguy
Speaker 3: League people in the UK expect because the level of
Speaker 3: cover just so low you can kind of get away
Speaker 3: with just spinning something out and then closing up shop
Speaker 3: and expecting everyone to swallow it. But I think in
Speaker 3: this case a lot of people aren't swallowing it. Hence
Speaker 3: the you know, the talk around it, and that's the
Speaker 3: job of the media to you know, try and find
Speaker 3: out what's really happened and give opus sorry, open and
Speaker 3: honest opinions.
Speaker 2: And I think just a.
Speaker 3: Little NRL analogy with the Flannagan situation. I can't remember
Speaker 3: the the chairman of the Sea at the Dragons St.
Speaker 3: Georgia the war who did that, but they did the
Speaker 3: press conference of the weekend Lancaster and he shot out Lancaster.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had well, so each journal was allowed one question,
Speaker 3: which went down well for those people who traveled from
Speaker 3: Sydney to Woollongong. And he also had a bit of
Speaker 3: a shot at the media, didn't he, which an Asta
Speaker 3: I thought was aimed at him, and he responded and
Speaker 3: count in kind. So I think that's, you know, the
Speaker 3: same if if Pep Guardiola did the same thing and
Speaker 3: just went on a specific podcast and brushed you know,
Speaker 3: Sky on the BBC and every other media outlet, he'd
Speaker 3: be absolutely slammed.
Speaker 2: So it's really it should be really no different regularly.
Speaker 1: Leonard also asked is it finally Warrington's year?
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. It's it's really too hard
Speaker 2: and early to say.
Speaker 3: Look, Warrington are having a good season, they had a
Speaker 3: good season two years ago. You know where they made
Speaker 3: Wembley and they got to within a win of getting
Speaker 3: the Grand Final. The George William news is not good
Speaker 3: even though you know you and Irwin is a really
Speaker 3: exciting young halfback and you know he's him and Mark Steeds.
Speaker 3: He is a good harvest partnership and a lot of
Speaker 3: clubs would be, you know, buying the hands off to
Speaker 3: to have those. I think it's too early to say
Speaker 3: whether they're you know, a certainties for everything, but I
Speaker 3: think with the team they've gotten the way they're playing,
Speaker 3: there can certainly get to well then you need a
Speaker 3: beat whole car to get to Wembley, don't I? And
Speaker 3: I think you know they could get to Old Trafford
Speaker 3: And if you're in a final, you're you're you're half a.
Speaker 2: Chance to win it, an't you.
Speaker 1: Chef Toffee Saint said, now Tubbs is out of his band,
Speaker 1: should he be the next Catalan's head coach? I'll translate
Speaker 1: I think Tubbs might be Marc Aston because he's the
Speaker 1: only coach I know of in a ban.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Should he the next Catalan's coach?
Speaker 3: I don't know if he should be, but as I
Speaker 3: said the other week, there's a lot of speculation that
Speaker 3: he will be, but he's not. He's not commenting when
Speaker 3: I contacted him. And now there's the club, so.
Speaker 1: Sea Bowled and Flaminggan will be in the mix for
Speaker 1: some of these you watch.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, the thing with Catalan's going to remember though,
Speaker 3: is that they're not spending anything like they used to
Speaker 3: because they've got to front up that million quid for travel.
Speaker 3: Nice place to live though, Yeah, but I think if
Speaker 3: you're finding an or Sea Bowld, you would be expecting
Speaker 3: the kind of investment that mc namara had, that Trent
Speaker 3: Robinson had, and I don't think there are anywhere near
Speaker 3: that in their cap spend nor what you know they
Speaker 3: they provide. So I think in a way Mark Aston
Speaker 3: would would make sense. You know, I think him and
Speaker 3: Ryan Sheridan are close. Who's the assistant there. He is
Speaker 3: a good coach, Mark Aston. I know he's a character
Speaker 3: that he is very honest and direct, which doesn't always
Speaker 3: go down well, but you know, I think he's he's
Speaker 3: a very experienced coach and yeah, in some ways I
Speaker 3: think he would be a good fit.
Speaker 1: Joel Tompkins ended up picking up a rugby union gig,
Speaker 1: didn't he so.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think I probably can't say too much
Speaker 3: on that one, but yeah, he's left in the middle
Speaker 3: of the season and Catlens need to sort out what's
Speaker 3: what's happening there and de Preston. Is there any future
Speaker 3: scenario in the games potential predicted structures where the Challenge
Speaker 3: Cup has a commercial and competitive home or should we
Speaker 3: just park it as a historical keepsake? Can I answer
Speaker 3: this first? I think we need to big bash it
Speaker 3: a little bit. I think we need to compress the
Speaker 3: Challenge Cup into the middle of the year to break
Speaker 3: the season up, and if you get knocked out, you
Speaker 3: have a couple of options. We can either have some
Speaker 3: kind of fall back plate competition or something like that.
Speaker 3: All can do some kind of nine circuit or seven
Speaker 3: circuit to spread the game a little bit around the country.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, if you think about the BBC,
Speaker 3: for example, if in the middle of the summer we
Speaker 3: had Rugby League on the BBC Saturday and Sunday one
Speaker 3: weekend after.
Speaker 1: The other after the other after the other, a bit
Speaker 1: like everybody wanting to play tennis for two weeks have
Speaker 1: to Wimbledon. That could be a nice way of doing it,
Speaker 1: and that could generate some interest, I think in terms
Speaker 1: of the Cup, because you could also package the tickets
Speaker 1: then a little bit too. You could say, right, you
Speaker 1: can buy tickets for all four rounds or five rounds
Speaker 1: or something like that. So I'd like something like that
Speaker 1: to be looked at, because I don't think we should
Speaker 1: ever get rid of the Challenge Cup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree with you. Look, I think the
Speaker 3: Challenge GP's cut too much history and heritage. I think
Speaker 3: it needs a bit of TLC and I think if
Speaker 3: the NRL was taking over, that was something that you know,
Speaker 3: some marketing support and spend would be.
Speaker 2: Given to.
Speaker 3: Not to be a naysayer, but your idea about the BBC,
Speaker 3: it's an exciting idea. But the BBC isn't interested in
Speaker 3: showing all those games, and that's one of the reasons
Speaker 3: why they don't show all the quarterfinals. I think if
Speaker 3: you bunched the games like you said, like maybe like
Speaker 3: a mini Magic weekend, I think that could particularly work.
Speaker 3: I know, obviously with the semifinals in what two weeks,
Speaker 3: you know, we've got the women's semifinal and the men's
Speaker 3: I think maybe the quarter finals, whether you you know
Speaker 3: you do a Saturday Sunday somewhere, you know, whether it
Speaker 3: be I don't know, Nottingham, Card of not Liverpool because
Speaker 3: we've got magic there, Newcastle wherever, and yeah, you do
Speaker 3: it that way. But yeah, the thing for me, the
Speaker 3: Challenge Cup has always kind of been apart from the
Speaker 3: final for a while. It's just been a bit of
Speaker 3: an afterthought when it comes to promotion and supporting. That
Speaker 3: way is and you see the crowds generally for all
Speaker 3: the home ties, they're pretty poor, so there definitely needs
Speaker 3: to be a different approach. I like the Cup on
Speaker 3: at Wembley, and it costs the game a lot of
Speaker 3: money and the game doesn't have a lot of money.
Speaker 3: But I do like the Wembley connection, and I do
Speaker 3: like the fact that it's played in London and it
Speaker 3: generally gets a bit more by cut through sorry because
Speaker 3: of its history and its heritage.
Speaker 1: Because Debbie used the word bloody in her message, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it in her accent, and I think
Speaker 1: looking at her Twitter profile she might be from Lease.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it in a lie accent.
Speaker 2: John.
Speaker 1: If NRL do have some say in Super League, will
Speaker 1: will we tell English clubs to pay for their own
Speaker 1: costs when they go to Catalan the bloody well should.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I don't know the exactly answer to that because it's
Speaker 3: not being mentioned, but I would imagine they would try
Speaker 3: and create it so every club has an equal equals saying,
Speaker 3: equal footing and equal standing, because I think the current
Speaker 3: system where the French clubs have to pay for the
Speaker 3: travel costs is not sustainable for them, and also it's
Speaker 3: an unfair advantage for the other twelve English clubs.
Speaker 1: And then there was another question about the votes, Mark Williamson,
Speaker 1: how possible is it for a breakaway league to form
Speaker 1: from this vote? Well, I'm going to answer that quickly.
Speaker 1: Very possible because it's rugby league. We were born on
Speaker 1: a breakaway. I can see it being because eight six
Speaker 1: seven seven, He says, I'm just sick of hearing the
Speaker 1: measurement for being a good club is away fans and
Speaker 1: how many parts and peace yourself will be a semi
Speaker 1: pro sport on the M sixty two by twenty thirty one.
Speaker 2: If it's a no to the NRL, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: a lot of that I agree with.
Speaker 3: I think Andrew abd Abdo when I was yeah, A
Speaker 3: sorry Andrew Adverto. When I was talking to him, and
Speaker 3: I know when he was talking to Sky, he stressed
Speaker 3: about unity and that we want everyone to you know,
Speaker 3: get behind Now maybe that's just soundpoints, but if the
Speaker 3: NRL needs unity and everyone in the UK game to
Speaker 3: get behind it, then that's not going to happen. That's
Speaker 3: not really being me being cynical. I think that's just
Speaker 3: being realistic. I think, look, a breakaway you'd obviously have
Speaker 3: your your Wiggins, your half c your whole k war
Speaker 3: into York Carlans to lose what we need at least
Speaker 3: one or two more.
Speaker 2: Maybe Castleford. Yeah, I think the ro is going to
Speaker 2: take over.
Speaker 3: They've got to provide enough money to sweeten the deal
Speaker 3: for a lot of club owners. That's the only way.
Speaker 3: That's the any way the Independent Commission in Australia started
Speaker 3: was effectively they said all right, we'll give you this
Speaker 3: amount of money each and now, what of the NRL
Speaker 3: clubs are getting a couple million on top of their salary?
Speaker 2: Cup aren't they something like fifteen million? More?
Speaker 3: So that's why they've relinquished control. So yeah, you've got
Speaker 3: to do that. A breakaway league, I think for me,
Speaker 3: would probably do more damage than then push the game forward.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: As if the clubs worry about pushing the game forward,
Speaker 1: well that's yeah, a lot of them, don't leavel. I'll
Speaker 1: go through the top eight. I'm not going to read
Speaker 1: out the points because I set the points of bullshit,
Speaker 1: because you get two points for not playing a game
Speaker 1: when you have a bye.
Speaker 2: I mean, whoever came up with that idea, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Panther's the top, Warriors, second, West, Tiger's third. That's definitely
Speaker 1: a new story. But you know, Jerome Leueye being in
Speaker 1: popping New Guinea in Port Moresby won't be doing their
Speaker 1: camp too much good at the moment. Rabbits in fourth
Speaker 1: are going well, Rooster's looking the goods in fifth.
Speaker 2: And they see your goals in sixth.
Speaker 1: I don't want to shout that in front of John.
Speaker 1: Never hear the end of it. Broncos in seventh, Cowboys
Speaker 1: in eighth. That rounds off the top eight. Cronola, Sharks ninth,
Speaker 1: Bulldogs tenth, Nights, Sharks ninth, Bulldog's tenth Nights, eleventh, Dolphins, twelve, Titans, thirteenth, Raiders, fourteenth, Eels, fifteenth, Storm,
Speaker 1: second bottom on sixteenth on sixteenth and the drag and
Speaker 1: propping everyone up. Look manly four on the bounce Underkier
Speaker 1: and four and West Tiger's going well. But I do
Speaker 1: think the stories here are the Storm and the Bulldogs.
Speaker 1: The Storm and the Bulldogs. The Storm. Obviously, Craig Bellamy
Speaker 1: looks a little bit lost at the moment. It's almost
Speaker 1: like this game he doesn't recognize it, and I totally,
Speaker 1: I totally empathize with him. But the Bulldogs, and I
Speaker 1: really want your opinion on this. They totally overhauled that
Speaker 1: roster and it was a brand new roster I think
Speaker 1: three years ago, so it was set up for you know,
Speaker 1: these are the new ones. The old ones not good enough,
Speaker 1: These are the new ones. There were top of the
Speaker 1: ladder last year with a certain fella at nine and
Speaker 1: a certain fella at seven. They got rid of both
Speaker 1: of those and since then they've started to drop right off,
Speaker 1: so much so that in their last fifteen games they've
Speaker 1: only won five of them. Bulldogs fans are the whole
Speaker 1: leftc and the Bradford of the NRL. Trust me, They
Speaker 1: would criticize and say, well, why are you using past
Speaker 1: results from last year? Well, it's good enough for the
Speaker 1: Dragons when we're talking about the Dragons, so why can't
Speaker 1: we talk about the Bulldogs in this regard. I can't
Speaker 1: see Gus Gould enjoying this because he's got history with
Speaker 1: coaches and a decision was made to bring Luckie Galvin
Speaker 1: in the seven over Toby Sexton. There's was one of
Speaker 1: two ways of looking at this. Either Galvin is not
Speaker 1: half and he never will be a half and he
Speaker 1: should never have been but there or the coaches and
Speaker 1: coaching in well enough and therefore and whichever way you
Speaker 1: fall on, that decides whether you're in the gust Gould
Speaker 1: camp or the or the Soraldo camp. Basically, I would
Speaker 1: say there's an argument to say that the Serraldo can't
Speaker 1: coach attack, they don't score many points. And this is
Speaker 1: where the Bulldogs fans get up me when when I
Speaker 1: say things, Well, when they won against Penrith is the week,
Speaker 1: my god, my phone didn't stopped. But since then they've
Speaker 1: lost two games and they were quite awful against the
Speaker 1: depleted Brisbane Broncos the other day. I think that there's
Speaker 1: a bit of trouble with Bellmore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they they were very good last year
Speaker 3: weren't it, And I think the expectations this year are
Speaker 3: very high, you know, to be well, if not a
Speaker 3: top two team, they're the top four team and they
Speaker 3: look anything like that at the moment. Look, Gas Gould's
Speaker 3: one of the smartest minds in rugby league and he's
Speaker 3: got an exemplary record, but he is human and he
Speaker 3: does make mistakes. You look at what he did with
Speaker 3: Ivan Cleary, you know, sacking him at Penrith, and then
Speaker 3: you know that that's an indicator. I think Andrew Webster
Speaker 3: rode a fantastic profile about Gas.
Speaker 2: Whatever it was. They don't talk anymore.
Speaker 3: Once ago, no, no, but yeah, it's it is a
Speaker 3: really strange one. The whole Galvin thing. What happened with
Speaker 3: Toby six then they moved on Red Many. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: not really working out for me. Galvin's He's never been
Speaker 3: a seven, he's a six. And I still prescribe to
Speaker 3: the you know, the old school theory of a seven
Speaker 3: being your actual game manager and your six being more
Speaker 3: of a runner. And you know who plays second fiddle.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of teams like to play left
Speaker 3: and right, don't they.
Speaker 1: Oh, well that My argument is it's not. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no rules that say that has to happen. So
Speaker 1: but it's the role that you asked the player to
Speaker 1: play that's the most important. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: Hines and Trindle at Cronulla are a perfect example of that.
Speaker 1: I think Heines has seven on what plays more like
Speaker 1: a six and Trindle was six on quite a lot
Speaker 1: and plays like a seven. I mean, it's just a
Speaker 1: number on the back. Who cares. I've played with no
Speaker 1: halves before now and use my number one as a
Speaker 1: half so and played with two extra props, so you
Speaker 1: can do what you want with the jersey.
Speaker 3: Well, James Graham and Adam Custardson played us as half
Speaker 3: backs and props bodies for many years to the Thames
Speaker 3: they played for, didn't they. So yeah, I mean the
Speaker 3: Bulldogs it's not working and the pressure is only going
Speaker 3: to increase at Bellmore because as you said, it is
Speaker 3: a big club. They get a lot of attention and
Speaker 3: expectations are high. I think for Melbourne, just to segue
Speaker 3: a little bit, because they're in Melbourne they don't get
Speaker 3: They're not in Sydney. They don't get you know, they
Speaker 3: don't get a huge amount of journals, at their their
Speaker 3: presses and their media days and their opportunities. They do
Speaker 3: get spotlight, but they're not in a fish bowl. They're
Speaker 3: in a goldfish bowl living in Melbourne. But it is
Speaker 3: a it is a very interesting time there because of
Speaker 3: the run of results. As you said, Craig Bell and me,
Speaker 3: looks a bit lost. They've had you know, they've lost
Speaker 3: big game players in the off season and then they
Speaker 3: had that terrible issue with Katala. But they're still they
Speaker 3: still got a squad that should be doing better than
Speaker 3: they are. I wouldn't write them off turning it around,
Speaker 3: but you know they're going to have to do a
Speaker 3: hell of a lot in the second half of the season.
Speaker 3: But I think this is why the Roll was such
Speaker 3: great competition. It's because you have those ebbs and flows.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not guaranteed every game who's going to win.
Speaker 3: You have teams that have great periods and they rebuild
Speaker 3: and come back. You know, the Broncos year to year,
Speaker 3: you never know who's turning up. You know, mainly we're
Speaker 3: absolutely dog shit for the first three weeks and then
Speaker 3: they've won four in a row. The West Gigas have
Speaker 3: been terrible for about fifteen years. But they're having a
Speaker 3: great season. And the Knights they were what really good.
Speaker 3: They've lost three in a row now and we're quite
Speaker 3: poor against Penrith. The highlights that I saw, so yeah,
Speaker 3: a long lived the NROL and the unpredicted that brings
Speaker 3: in this great talking points.
Speaker 1: Just add to these with a winner, just the team
Speaker 1: name because we'll wrap it up shortly. Thursday, O k
Speaker 1: Are play Cast Tigers at Craven Park winner KR me too,
Speaker 1: KR Friday Leads play Wakefield. This is a tough thing
Speaker 1: at Headingly.
Speaker 2: I think leads, I think leads.
Speaker 1: I think Wakefield, and I'm gonna go Wakefield. Leads aren't
Speaker 1: unfallible like leads are leads.
Speaker 2: Defenses.
Speaker 1: You know one thing I'm noticing John teams that have
Speaker 1: spread up and in defenses are really struggling in this
Speaker 1: fast ruck game at the moment. Friday as well, Saint
Speaker 1: Helen's hosting York Nights at the brew Dog Saints Wigan
Speaker 1: versus Bradford on Saturday. It's three o'clock again. That's happening
Speaker 1: a few times, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The Brick?
Speaker 1: And also on Saturday, Catalans versus Lee at the start
Speaker 1: Gilbert thinking me, Bob.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might edge towards the Leopards and.
Speaker 1: That one I'm edging towards Catalans because it's their week.
Speaker 1: Also on Saturday, Huddersfield are hosting Wolves. I think Giants
Speaker 1: bubbles burst again.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, Warrington by a big score.
Speaker 1: And then the Sunday fixture whole host to lose whole,
Speaker 1: I think to lose. Yeah, yeah f C. Yeah that's
Speaker 1: next week, nice one, John, What we're thinking after the hooter?
Speaker 1: And what game are you going to this weekend?
Speaker 3: Ah? Well it'll have to be Thursday night because I'll
Speaker 3: be boording a flight of Paris on Friday morning.
Speaker 1: So yeah, right, well that game then is OKR and
Speaker 1: CASS be good to look at OKR again actually now
Speaker 1: that they're yes, they're hitting a bit of form. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so listen out for that. Where can people contact you, John,
Speaker 1: apart from in the Shawn's Delese.
Speaker 3: Yes, they can contact me on exit Johnny d Davidson
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