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And as we always 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,479 do at noon on Tuesday, we check with Andrew Dunne. 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,000 He is the publisher of long Leaf Politics longleafpol dot com, 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,560 and he's also a contributing columnist at The Charlotte Observer. Andrew, 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:46,200 how are you, sir? 15 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: I'm doing well, just trying to stay. 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: Warm over here. 17 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:52,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of brutal, but I mean I think, 18 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,159 like tomorrow it'll be like ninety and then the day 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:00,039 after that it's twelve. So yeah, right, all right, And 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,239 just from a quick programming standpoint, I am off next week, 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,680 so I release you of your duty to carve out 22 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:08,480 time for us. 23 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:11,599 Speaker 2: On do you just ruin my whole Tuesday. 24 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,719 Speaker 1: I somehow doubt that, Andrew. I appreciate that, but I 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,599 doubt it. I think you'll be freed up now. You 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,519 can enjoy your lunch break without any show prep. So 27 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:24,079 let's talk a little bit about education. I thought you 28 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,120 had a great line. You got two different pieces here 29 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:28,920 on the education front, one from a week ago and 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,920 then the other from just a couple of days ago. 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,319 But you said in the Charlotte Observer, North Carolina is 32 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:37,280 running a trust deficit with its public schools, and it's 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,920 getting worse. But I want to start with the piece 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,120 that you have at Long Leave Politics, where you talked 35 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:45,719 about and I was actually going to ask you about 36 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:47,799 this last week, but we ran out of time. But 37 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:53,200 a bedtime chat with your daughter sent you down an 38 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:57,480 educratic rabbit hole to try to try to answer the 39 00:01:57,599 --> 00:02:00,760 question of why your daughter said, oh, yeah, she knows 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,959 about Christopher Columbus. He's a bad guy. He abused the 41 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:07,760 Native people. This is our answer to when you asked 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,360 what she learned in school today about Columbus Day and 43 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:14,199 you get to a thing, and this is one of 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,520 the it's one of my beefs with the public schools system, 45 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,039 and a lot of people who are in it is 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,520 that there is this either refusal to admit or there's 47 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:29,000 just ignorance that schools are where we in America have 48 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,759 for generations transmitted our norms, our shared American identity. This 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,439 is the schools. That's where that has occurred, not you know, 50 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:44,159 only in schools, but that's been the driving force for 51 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,319 this stuff, this handing down of the stories. And stories 52 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:51,039 are very powerful things. So after your daughter says this, 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,280 you start looking into like, what exactly are they teaching? 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,199 And did you get any answers? 55 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:02,439 Speaker 2: No, I don't really have any answers. You know, Unfortunately, 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,479 we don't have a whole lot more visibility into what's 57 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,520 actually happening within the schools. Even with the Parents' Bill 58 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,439 of Rights that passed two years ago. I've tried to 59 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:17,400 get more of a window into what's happening, but haven't 60 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:20,280 really had a whole lot of success. But yeah, on 61 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:22,639 the column, you know, I don't want to make a 62 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,360 really big deal about that individual circumstance. You know, whatever 63 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:28,960 comment that it was by the school librarian, you know, 64 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:32,360 that's neither here nor there at this point, I guess, 65 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,960 But you know, The bigger point that I'm trying to 66 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,400 make is, you know, when are we as a state 67 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,840 as a nation going to think more seriously or and 68 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:44,759 talk more seriously about what are we teaching our young 69 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:48,919 children about historical events, and especially as it pertains to 70 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:52,000 the founding of the United States. You know, there's a 71 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:56,599 whole generation of folks who have grown up now in 72 00:03:56,879 --> 00:03:59,919 today's education system that really takes the more Howard Zen 73 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:03,800 and oppressor versus a press view of history. And I 74 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,400 think I don't see how we as a country can 75 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:11,319 succeed moving forward if that is what we're you know, 76 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:13,639 and doctrinating our young people into. 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: No, if you teach the kids that everything is inherently 78 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:21,560 bad about the country in which they live, then it's 79 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,319 not surprising that they want to, uh dare I say, 80 00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:30,240 fundamentally transform it into something else? And this isn't And 81 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,920 we should also point out here, as you do in 82 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:34,759 the piece, you know, there is a there is a 83 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:38,680 difference between what you're teaching kids in the younger younger 84 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,519 grades versus the older grades. Right, this is a it's 85 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:46,399 it needs to be a step process. 86 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,959 Speaker 2: Right exactly. And that's kind of how I was thinking 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,720 about it. You know, I was thinking through, all right, 88 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,839 so what what do I want my eight year old 89 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,600 to know about Christopher Columbus? And you know, I'm not 90 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:03,000 one hundred percent sure. I'm not a Colombian historian. Unfortunately 91 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,240 I probably should be. But I have to say that 92 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:08,639 the one thing if my eight year old knows one 93 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,079 thing about Columbus, that he's an evil villain is probably 94 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,920 not it. I mean, that's just as simplistic as as saying, 95 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:19,360 you know, he's a conquering hero who discovered America. You know, both, 96 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,439 you know, are not one hundred percent accurate, but the 97 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,800 villain narrative is just as damaging. 98 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard there was a watch an interview and 99 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,720 I had never realized this, but apparently Columbus set sail 100 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,759 off to the quote New World right to try to 101 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:42,240 go around the other direction because of the because of 102 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:48,759 the conquering by Islam that had cut off the entire 103 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:54,000 European area in Spain from all of the existing Christendom 104 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:57,560 countries that have been that had fallen over centuries, and 105 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,199 so they had to go so they had to find 106 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:04,199 a different way to avoid the piracy, to avoid Yeah, 107 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:09,519 and like I'm fifty two years old, I just learned 108 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,279 that like a month ago. I had no idea about 109 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,759 that aspect of the you know, the exploration into the 110 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,160 New World to try to find another route across the country. 111 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,759 But yeah, and all right, so then you mentioned the 112 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,839 Parents' Bill of Rights also, and everybody was talking about 113 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:28,839 this House Oversight Committee at the state legislature where they 114 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:32,759 brought in the chairman and the superintendent of Chapel Hill, 115 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,680 Carborough Schools because the chairman of the school board, George Griffin, 116 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,639 had made comments publicly during a board meeting about how 117 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,319 they probably weren't going to adhere to the state law 118 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,399 the Parents' Bill of Rights. And this is the quote 119 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,240 that I read earlier from your piece where that the 120 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,439 state is running a trust deficit with its public schools 121 00:06:54,959 --> 00:06:58,600 and it's getting worse. So you talk about this cycle, 122 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:03,519 it just kind of reinforces itself where the district acts badly, 123 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,040 people then don't trust it, and then it just keeps 124 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,399 kind of going in this cycle. So how do you 125 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,879 break out of that cycle? 126 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: Gosh, if I had the answer to that, I probably 127 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:18,600 would have a whole lot of money. But yeah, I 128 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:23,439 mean it's difficult because this hearing that happened last week 129 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,360 came at the same time that the state Department of 130 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,480 Public Instruction was putting out new numbers on enrollment in 131 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,639 school districts across North Carolina. And you know, there was 132 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,199 a huge dip, a huge decline in enrollment in twenty twenty, 133 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:40,560 you know, when COVID shut down all the schools. People 134 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,560 were trying to find different options. But in a lot 135 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,920 of our big urban school districts Charlotte's one of them, 136 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:49,279 Wait Counties one of them, Orange County is one of them, 137 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,319 those numbers are continuing to go down. So it's clear 138 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:57,000 that there's a large segment of the population that just 139 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:00,759 doesn't trust the public school system. And so you know, 140 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:03,639 Democrats will often say, well, you know, if there's problems 141 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:06,639 with the school system, it's just because you're not paying 142 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,720 teachers enough. You're not putting enough money into it. And 143 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,759 I've had conversations with legislators who are somewhat sympathetic to 144 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,319 that argument. You know, they say, yes, teachers do need 145 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,600 to get paid more, but they're trying to make the 146 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:23,240 case to their colleagues in the General Assembly to raise 147 00:08:23,279 --> 00:08:25,639 teacher pay. And then it comes out that you know, 148 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,759 teachers are reading some of these, you know Stantsa's husband 149 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:32,759 books to the classroom, and it just makes people want 150 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:34,879 to throw up their hands and say, well, I'm not 151 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:38,679 going to give them more money. And so I honestly 152 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,360 I don't know which side needs to change first. I 153 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:45,279 mean probably I would have to say it has to 154 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,799 start at the school district level, that we need to 155 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,720 see some more good faith efforts to get back to 156 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,320 fundamentals of education, and then we can pour more money 157 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,080 into the system. 158 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:58,919 Speaker 1: Well, yesterday I talked about some there was a report 159 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,200 I think it was at the Atlanta and it was 160 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,000 looking at a couple of colleges and how unprepared their 161 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:10,159 students are, their freshmen or first year, first yearers or 162 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,120 whatever they call them now because you can't say freshmen, 163 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,440 so whatever. Yeah, and so there they had to put 164 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,759 like I think it was something like nine hundred of 165 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,360 their freshmen at UC Davis, nine hundred of the freshmen 166 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:28,080 had to go through remedial math because they didn't know 167 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,879 they weren't even at a middle school level in math. 168 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,639 And this is the problem. It's like, why would we 169 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,039 fund more of this? That's certainly you're not making the 170 00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:41,399 argument that the teachers aren't teaching math because they're not 171 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,840 being paid enough. Right, that's certainly not the argument. So 172 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,000 what is the argument that I need to throw a 173 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,720 bunch more money and get worse outcomes year over year 174 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:55,039 over year. And particularly when you've seen the enrollment declines 175 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:57,759 as we have seen over the last few years too, 176 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:01,200 it seems like people are rejecting what you're what the 177 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,600 public schools are offering. 178 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: Right, You're exactly right, And that's I mean, it's wild 179 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:12,519 how unprepared students are graduating from from high schools. And 180 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,039 it's hard because I feel like the root of so 181 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:22,320 many of our problems can't be solved by government. I mean, 182 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:26,600 the real problem is the decline in family structure in 183 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,240 North Carolina and in America, and the decline and you know, 184 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:35,519 and people wanting to prioritize family life and raising kids. 185 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:39,120 And I'm not sure exactly how we go about changing that, 186 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,039 but it's certainly not going to come by, you know, 187 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,799 increasing per pupil spending. 188 00:10:44,039 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's it's sort of like the the Brookings 189 00:10:47,399 --> 00:10:52,200 Institute report from gosh, i don't know, probably about twenty 190 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,600 years ago now, where they said, like, if you want 191 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,440 to stay out of poverty or get out of poverty, 192 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,879 have a job, any job, graduate high school, and don't 193 00:10:59,879 --> 00:11:02,799 have kids before you graduate high school, and get married. 194 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,159 Like that's those are the three things and government doesn't 195 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:08,200 do any of that. Government can't do any of those things, right, 196 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:13,279 That's all societal norms. It's culture, it's family, it's civic engagement. 197 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,960 That's where you learn those things. And like that was 198 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,799 the Brookings Institute saying government's not doing it. 199 00:11:19,919 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: Right, and why isn't that this success sequence? I mean, 200 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,039 that's what should be taught in public schools. There should 201 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,399 be a whole whole course just around that until people 202 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:31,159 until it's thinks in. 203 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah's. It seems like like we know these things, 204 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:39,399 these recipes for success, and yet we don't seem to 205 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,120 do a good job of conveying them to younger kids. 206 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,679 Like life is hard, you're gonna have struggles, you're gonna 207 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,879 have obstacles. You got to overcome them. It doesn't mean 208 00:11:47,919 --> 00:11:50,399 you're oppressed, right, It doesn't mean somebody is keeping you 209 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,600 from your from your dream. It just means you need 210 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:55,519 to find a different way to get it. Yeah, Like 211 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,759 I don't I don't know why we don't do more 212 00:11:57,799 --> 00:12:01,159 of that. But maybe, okay, maybe this is my bias, 213 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,320 but I suspect it has more to do with my 214 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,960 belief is the problem with the public school system is 215 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,919 the model. I just I don't believe the model works. 216 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,279 If it ever did, really, I don't think it works, 217 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,240 especially absent the family participation. So yeah, I don't know. 218 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:20,799 So it's to me. It's not an easy answer, but 219 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,320 vouchers were my that was my compromise position. 220 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, hugely important. You know, we're kind of descending into 221 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:33,879 grumpy old man tari. I know, I think we're absolutely right. 222 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:37,759 Speaker 1: I know, well, you know what, ba humbug, But you 223 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:40,399 know whatever, I'm off next week, so I'll get the 224 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,440 Christmas spirit next week. I guess there we go. Yeah, Andrew, 225 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,080 I was appreciated. Thank you for all of your contributions 226 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,639 to the show this year. I do appreciate that as well. 227 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,559 Much success in twenty twenty six to you as well, sir. 228 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:52,759 Speaker 4: Thank you. 229 00:12:52,879 --> 00:12:55,799 Speaker 1: Likewise, all right, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. 230 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:56,279 Speaker 2: All right. 231 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,159 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this show, you know I try 232 00:12:58,159 --> 00:12:59,840 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 233 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:02,279 I know you do too, and you've probably heard me say, 234 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,480 get your news from multiple sources. Why. Well, because it's 235 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,200 how you detect media bias, which is why I've been 236 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,799 so impressed with ground News. 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So in his 252 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,960 piece Andrew Dunn wrote over at The Charlotte Observer, he 253 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:12,679 quoted state Representative Mike Sheetzelt, who called the public school 254 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,639 funding and lack of confidence in the public schools a 255 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:18,960 chicken and egg problem, right, what came first? The chicken 256 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:22,440 or the egg kind of thing. Parents don't trust that 257 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:27,039 school leaders will respect basic boundaries or tell the truth 258 00:14:27,159 --> 00:14:31,799 until they are forced to do so. Lawmakers don't trust 259 00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:36,759 that districts will use new resources wisely or stay within 260 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,679 the lines they have been given, and teachers don't trust 261 00:14:40,919 --> 00:14:44,840 that the legislature has their backs. And each group uses 262 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:48,960 the other's worst behavior to justify its own, And the 263 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,600 more that cycle spins, the more families head for the exits. 264 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,919 Public schools are losing students, they're losing teachers and losing 265 00:14:56,919 --> 00:14:59,960 the benefit of the doubt. If that continues, he said, 266 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:04,200 the big debates over teacher pay, school choice, what belongs 267 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,840 in a second grade classroom, all of that will be 268 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,639 beside the point. There won't be much of a common 269 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,720 system left to argue over and again. My bias here 270 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:21,279 is that I don't think the government school model works. 271 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:25,120 It may have, and you know, I'm a product of 272 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:30,519 public schools, but I'm a gen xer, and I think 273 00:15:30,519 --> 00:15:33,639 public schools are different now. But I think people have 274 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:36,159 an idea of what they think public schools, you know, 275 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,399 are teaching, and what's going on in the schools now, 276 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:41,720 and they base that on what it was like for 277 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:44,639 them when they were in school. But I can tell 278 00:15:44,679 --> 00:15:47,759 you like I did not. I mean I did well 279 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,559 with grades. I was always I did very well in 280 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,200 the testing. I did very well, you know, doing my 281 00:15:55,279 --> 00:16:00,759 assignments and all of that. But I was bored, absolutely bored, 282 00:16:01,159 --> 00:16:03,759 and then I became disruptive. This may be a surprise 283 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,679 to some people to learn that I would. I would 284 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,200 make jokes and stuff in the classroom. I frequently had 285 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:12,679 you know, straight a's, But then I would have is 286 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:18,240 disruptive in class speaks at inappropriate times. The writing was 287 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:23,600 on the wall. It's a factory model. The government school 288 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,679 system is a factory model based off the Prussian model. 289 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:32,480 And it's fine if you're cranking out factory workers. I 290 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:37,000 guess that need to know just enough English words so 291 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:40,159 they can, you know, not sever their limbs in the machinery. 292 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,919 But as the founder of the system said, we are 293 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,720 not intending to create men of letters. That's not the point. 294 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:52,080 Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to 295 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,600 a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 296 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,879 Just a quick drive up the mountain and cabins of 297 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:02,279 Asheville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, 298 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,559 maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get 299 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:07,480 family and friends together for a big old reunion. 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So I just wanted to provide a little bit 320 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,400 of insight because I am a school teacher, and I 321 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,079 know a lot of times it's easy for people to 322 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,079 assume things, but a lot of times they aren't actually 323 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,480 in the school system, so they're seeking off of opinions 324 00:18:35,519 --> 00:18:40,240 and not necessarily facts. When it comes to teacher pay, 325 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,480 I think that each year more things are required for teachers, 326 00:18:46,599 --> 00:18:51,319 more training. I think that teachers would just like to 327 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:53,880 be able to be paid for the work that they 328 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,319 do at home, or be paid for the training that 329 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,880 is mandatory out side of hours that they wouldn't get 330 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:07,519 paid for. I also think that when people talk about 331 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:11,000 the school system and the children aren't prepared for college 332 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,359 and different things like that, they are failing to realize 333 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,160 that class numbers continue to grow. I know personally at 334 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,759 my school one of the teachers has over forty children 335 00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:25,000 in her classroom. 336 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:27,319 Speaker 1: What grade level is that? 337 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 4: This is high school and a lot more people are 338 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,240 leaving education and fewer people are, you know, actually pursuing 339 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,319 education as a career. Therefore, a lot of time in 340 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,720 classrooms there aren't teachers. There are long term subs there, 341 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,039 and these are people who may not even have a 342 00:19:51,039 --> 00:20:01,839 college degree responsible for teaching your child a curriculum. And so, 343 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,359 for one, funding has always been an issue. Each year, 344 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:08,759 I know that they have cut more and more funding 345 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,759 from our programs and we have less and less funding 346 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,240 to work with. I mean, it even comes down to behavior, right, 347 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,039 Like the larger the class sizes are, the harder it 348 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:24,559 is to maintain a safe classroom environment. And really a 349 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:28,480 lot of school systems should have alternative schools to help 350 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:32,680 with those children who are high behavioral needs, but there's 351 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:35,880 not funding for it. So a lot of the time 352 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,960 that should be used towards teaching and instruction is really 353 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,359 being used as redirecting for behavior incidents. 354 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: So, yeah, Zaria, everything that you have said, I have 355 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:54,039 heard from teachers for twenty five years. Okay, I've covered schools, 356 00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:58,880 covered the Charla Mecklberg school system for twenty years. All 357 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,599 of those things that you've said are things that teachers 358 00:21:01,599 --> 00:21:04,160 have said. And my family members who are teachers, they 359 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,440 all say the same things as well. To me, that 360 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,839 is further evidence everything you've just laid out is further 361 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,839 evidence that the model doesn't work. The model is, in 362 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:18,079 my view, the problem is the model. It is a 363 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:24,640 massive government bureaucracy, the explosion of administrative positions rather than 364 00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:30,119 teacher positions. That's that's part of the reason why you're 365 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,160 seeing all of the cram downs of you know, paperwork 366 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:38,400 and trainings and all of this stuff. I've said for 367 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,400 years that truly great teachers, I would want them to 368 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:46,559 make six figures, but I'm not. But I'm not going 369 00:21:46,599 --> 00:21:49,480 to pay the bad teachers the same amount of money. 370 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,960 So until the education establishment is able to figure out 371 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,799 some way to identify good teachers from the bad ones 372 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,160 and then to pay the good ones more money, like 373 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:05,079 I'm not going to be I'm not going to be 374 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,799 pressured into funding terrible teachers because everybody knows you and 375 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,359 you do too. You know who are the good teachers 376 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,000 in your school and who aren't the good teachers? Right, 377 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,519 the kids know, the parents know. Everybody has gone to 378 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:23,240 school and had good teachers and bad ones. So I 379 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:25,359 would like to pay the good ones a lot more money, 380 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,160 but I don't want to have to pay the bad 381 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,640 ones the same amount. I find that to be kind 382 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,200 of demoralizing for the good ones. Right, So what I've 383 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,960 always been met with whenever I say this, though, is 384 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:43,119 that there's no way that the schools are able to differentiate. 385 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,200 There's no way that they could do that, which I 386 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,480 don't believe. Yeah, I don't believe that's the goods. 387 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 4: So each each year we well for one, each teacher 388 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:58,000 has to give observed minimum three times of the years, 389 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,599 and with each observation is a whole list of things 390 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,279 that are being looked for for the observation. There have 391 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,960 been teachers who have been put on like plans, basically 392 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,240 saying like, your teaching is not up to par. These 393 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,319 are the things that need to be fixed by the 394 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,000 end of the year or you will be asked to leave. 395 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,279 So there's definitely ways to determine good teachers from bad teachers. 396 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,119 You know, there are teachers who get fired or asked 397 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,400 to not come back or different things like that. But 398 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,799 I mean, really, at any job, right, there's always going 399 00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:39,279 to be really great workers, and there are also going 400 00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:43,039 to be people who don't work as hard or you know, 401 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,920 find loopholes. But I think we have to say that, like, 402 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:54,960 as a country we value education, because right now, the 403 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:58,559 way that the school system is, it's showing kids that 404 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,799 they don't like. It's showing that the country doesn't value education. 405 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,519 Speaker 1: So all right, I'm going to so I'm going to 406 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:07,680 disagree with you on that, and I'm going to cite 407 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,400 budgets as okay, because if you look at the budget, 408 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,599 what we spend our money on. The number one expenditure 409 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,720 at the state level is education. The number one budget, 410 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,319 the largest budget locally is the school district budget. I 411 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,599 think it's two point two billion at this point, right 412 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,920 and we have fewer kids now than we have had. 413 00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,559 I mean we're down to like twenty ten numbers. Like 414 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,400 the school the student population is lower than it's been 415 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:40,319 in fifteen years. So we're spending billions of dollars on education. 416 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:44,039 So I would submit that that is proof that as 417 00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:48,279 a society, we're plowing a ton of money into education. 418 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:53,240 The problem is the results aren't there. The results get 419 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:58,359 worse and worse. So what's what's the problem. 420 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:04,039 Speaker 4: Oh, I think my rebuttal for that is, first, you know, 421 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,799 we can say that we spend this much on education, 422 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,839 but we also have to look at Okay, within that budget, 423 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,920 where is the money going. So I think that that's 424 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,480 something that needs to be looked into. 425 00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:18,839 Speaker 1: I agree, that's that was my comment about it. The 426 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,880 administrative bloat, all of the administrative positions that are getting funded. 427 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's not going towards you know, teaching, it's not 428 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:34,559 going towards teacher pay. I'll say, sometimes things get spent on, Oh, 429 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:39,480 it's teacher appreciation week. Let's let's have a catered meal 430 00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:42,359 for the teachers, when really you can ask any teacher, 431 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:47,720 we rather just have more money per month because every 432 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,640 teacher I know works multiple jobs and I don't think 433 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,319 that that's fair. I personally work three. As far as 434 00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:59,640 what is the issue and why we aren't seeing results, 435 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,160 I have to say something, and I don't know if 436 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,920 people are gonna like it, but I'm here to be honest. 437 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,839 A lot of it is accountability from the parents. Parents 438 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,440 lots of times expect us to not only teach their 439 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:19,720 children content, but to raise their kids as well, and 440 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:24,920 lots of times our time is spent teaching children how to. 441 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,839 Speaker 3: Behave, how to behave yes, and how to get along 442 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,680 well with others instead of actually teaching them the content 443 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,440 and and lots of times. 444 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 4: Anytime that I do hold my kids accountable, I do 445 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,279 have a lot of pushback from parents. For instance, I 446 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:50,519 don't accept late work in my classroom. The reason for 447 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,200 that being is that the work that I give my kids, 448 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,000 I give them two weeks to complete it, and I 449 00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:01,000 give them class time to do it. Argument is this, 450 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:05,240 you know, you have to have time management, and I 451 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,519 teach them time management skills. But I also say, hey, 452 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,519 if if Miss Franklin is laid on her bills, that's 453 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:13,640 a penalty. 454 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,079 Speaker 1: Right, you know what I mean? Life is deadline. Yeah, 455 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,000 life is full of deadlines that you have to meet. 456 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: Deadlines, absolutely, and I am trying to prepare them for 457 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,240 the real world in college. Therefore, you know, in college, 458 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:28,519 if you miss the deadline, you miss the deadline. But 459 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,920 I have had a lot of pushback from parents on that. 460 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure saying that I. 461 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 4: Need to give their child more time. It's not fair. 462 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,279 They weren't at school the day it was due, and 463 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,559 I'm just thinking, well, this assignment's been to do for 464 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:46,200 two weeks and they could have submitted it at home, 465 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,279 you know what I mean. 466 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, So. 467 00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:57,079 Speaker 4: That's one thing. Another thing is pushed back with IPS. 468 00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,000 I don't know if you're familiar with what. 469 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,559 Speaker 1: IEPs are, visual plans. 470 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,759 Speaker 4: Uh and individual education plans. IEPs can be based off 471 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,960 of behavior. It can say, you know, this child struggles 472 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,200 with reading, they need to have extra time on this assignment, 473 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,960 or you know, it's a specific plan for a child 474 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:25,079 to be successful in school. The whole purpose of this 475 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,359 is to act as as support but not a crutch. 476 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:32,359 You have parents who want to continue to keep their 477 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:38,519 children on their IEP plan until they graduate. But I 478 00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:40,960 say this, I'm like, you know, I know your child 479 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,519 struggles with behavior, but guess what when they're eighteen and 480 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,160 they get pulled over by the police, there's no red 481 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,039 folder that tells the police, Hey, this child struggles with this, this, 482 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,559 and this, you know what I mean. Or when you 483 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:58,920 go to a job, it's not oh, you get extra 484 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,720 time to complete this yeah, because. 485 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: You know yeah, Zaria, Yeah, I appreciate the call. I've 486 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,720 got to leave it there. Thank you for the insight, 487 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,279 of course, all right, take care. Yeah. I think one 488 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,160 last point is something Thatsarria said there is that a 489 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,200 lot of parents do turn their kids over to be 490 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,440 raised by the government and its education officials. But that 491 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,519 was also part of the sales pitch that was made 492 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:29,200 to parents thirty years ago. Right, that's when schools started 493 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,799 doing more and more and more things wrap around services. 494 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,559 They started doing all of this stuff, so parents received 495 00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,359 that message that turn your kid over to us will 496 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880 basically raise them with the character, education and all of 497 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,400 that stuff. 498 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: You know. 499 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: Stories are powerful. 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My wife's 521 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,960 been teaching for forty years, so I've heard a lot 522 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:03,319 about teaching over thirty. Some of you a marriage. I 523 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,720 understand that it's very difficult to create any type of 524 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:10,799 metrics to judge teachers. They don't they're not creating widgets. 525 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,759 My wife will tell you that she's had classes that 526 00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,119 make it very easy on her and make her look good, 527 00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:18,799 and she's had classes that make it next time possible 528 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:24,119 for her to look good. I believe that there's no 529 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,519 way a bureaucrat sitting in Raleigh can can deal with 530 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,160 that and pay the good teachers and not pay the 531 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,440 bad ones. And I'll tell you it frustrates me to 532 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,799 no end that my wife, who works very, very very 533 00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:37,640 hard at her job, makes the same thing as people 534 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,440 who just do enough. 535 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 6: Not to get fired. 536 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 5: And that is true I believe the principles need I 537 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,279 have a lot of autonomy, and who gets paid in 538 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,400 their schools. They're the only ones. 539 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 6: Who can really make that type of a judgment. And 540 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,279 I think that's they're never going to work out any 541 00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:58,519 process like that until they give that type of responsibility 542 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,240 to Yeah. 543 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,039 Speaker 1: No, Mitch, that's an idea that I kicked around a 544 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,480 decade ago. And yet when I would talk about this idea, 545 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,359 like giving principles, hiring, firing, wage setting, all of that, 546 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,839 giving them those responsibilities, letting them actually run their schools, 547 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,440 you know who you know who objected? You know who 548 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:23,400 opposed it? Teachers? They didn't. They because they don't, because 549 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,440 because they all have had they've all had a principle 550 00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:28,559 that they did not get along with and they don't 551 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:28,799 want to. 552 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, and they don't. 553 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: And that was what I said. Yeah, that's what I 554 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,559 said too, But it just the opposition. It all came 555 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:42,240 from the teachers. Yeah, Mitch, I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah, 556 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,920 I mean there are there are creative ideas that exist 557 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,039 if you're trying to save this government run system, and 558 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,119 I'm open to you testing them out, you know, seeing 559 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:56,519 school districts do so but but we just get more 560 00:32:56,519 --> 00:33:00,640 of the same. 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