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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Sarah. Sarah,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, well, thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much for being here. We appreciate your time. Sarah,

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please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am a sensor that has strange experiences lately.

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I lived in humbold County, which is very rural part

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of northern California. I am a nurse by education and

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a healer by birth, and I have two grown children,

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and I am I think I think that's about it.

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I don't really know.

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Speaker 2: You automatically know off the bat that I'm jealous of you.

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The fact that you live in Humboldt County. That is

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a beautiful place. It really is.

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Speaker 1: It is very beautiful, very special place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my kind of country right there. Did you

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say that you grew up in Humboldt County or did

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you move there?

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Speaker 1: I moved here when I was about nineteen years old.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I couldn't remember if we talked about that

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yesterday when we had that first conversation or not. But yeah,

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like I said, I'm green with envy because that's my

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kind of country right there. But coming along with that,

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a lot of people have gone missing in Humboldt County.

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Did you know that? Where you aware that?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm very aware of that. And actually the Humble

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County we have twice the missing person rate of the country,

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the entire country, So people go missing here twice as

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much as they do in the whole nation.

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Speaker 2: What do you think is behind that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think because we are so rural and a

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lot of people come from under the countries and other places,

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and they don't really they're not aware that this place

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is not just beautiful. There are other things here too,

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not just cryptids and var texas things like that. But

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there's people that hide in the wilderness here. It too

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good place to hide, unfortunately for bad people. So there's

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that part. And also people like to go hiking in

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ancient forests, but I don't think they understand the risk

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of that because the ground can actually give out and

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open up huge crevasses of areas that may have been

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forced floor at one time, but then are now piled

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high with debris let's say twenty feet and you step

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in the wrong soft spot on the ground and you

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could end up in a crabass, just like as if

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it was snow. Well, this is just loose dirt and mud.

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Speaker 2: I can think of a lot of ways to go out,

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but going out that way, that is one of the

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last ways I'd want to go out. That would be horrible.

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But yeah, so many people head into the woods when

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they're not prepared to do that, especially going out alone. Yeah,

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it's so easy to think that cryptids are behind most

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of the disappearances, but that wouldn't be surprised if cases

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like that top the list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I would just mention, unfortunately that because

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this is such a rural area and what we're kind

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of known for the marijuana trade and culture up here,

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but nowadays it's a lot of cartels that have places

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out there and are legally growing illegally so and they

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are out there with guns and they aren't are not

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trying to have any witnesses. So I would ensure I

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would ask people if they come up here, stay on

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the trails, go to the places that are parks that

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are places that people are supposed to be and don't

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go wandering off bushwacking in Virgin Country because oftentimes someone

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else might be there and you might not want to

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meet that person, if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: You definitely wouldn't want to meet them. And I can't

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think of a better place to have a grow. There's

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so many places out there where people normally just don't go.

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But then again, you've got people who bush whack and

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just go right off trail. I guess it would be

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pretty easy to stumble into a place like that.

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Speaker 1: That'd be horrible, absolutely and terrifying actually. And there's also,

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I believe it or not, lots of cannibals in the area,

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so that is another reason why people go missing around here.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I didn't know that. That's not good at

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all either. Like you touched on just a moment ago,

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you're sensitive. Now obviously you didn't ask to be as sensitive,

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you were just born that way. But with that in mind,

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do you see that as an advantage all the things

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that come along with being a sensitive or in your opinion,

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is it a drawback?

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a good question. Sometimes it is a

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drawback because you might start feeling something that you don't

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want to feel, or tune into something that you don't

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necessarily want to be seeing or experiencing at the time.

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But for the most part, it's been highly beneficial for

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me because it's kept me alive and out of places

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where I don't want to be. It's also opened me

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up to see things that I'm sure other people haven't

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seen before in their lives, and I've been well protected

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against it because they can also read my lots and

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my intentions, I believe.

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Speaker 2: So you think that the reason why you've had all

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these cryptid encounters is because you are as sensitive.

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Speaker 1: I believe that is part of it, a big part

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of it, because I am like a person of love

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and light and they can sense that within me, and

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so I think that's why I don't get harmed by

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it necessarily. Knock on wood, I think, and that my

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intention is always not to harm whatever's there or try

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to capture it or in any way, shape or form

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bother that thing, but just to protect it and hide

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it and keep it secret and keep people away from it.

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Speaker 2: Softly admirable you have that mindset because most people, after

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having a dog mean an encounter or an encounter with

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any of the things you've bumped into out there. Most

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people would want to just have those things wiped off

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the face of the earth. So I'm impressed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't. That's a terrible thought, actually, to wipe

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all the things that are magic off the face of

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the earth. Whether we agree with whatever kind of magic

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it is, it's here for a reason, and it didn't

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ask to be brought into the world that way. It

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just was. It just is that way. So just as

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we are who we are, we have to respect everything

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that's here, whether we like it or not, and just

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leave those things like live and let live kind of

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a thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: Softly admirable you're so open minded and feel that way.

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I'm impressed. Like I said, now we've already established the

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fact that you think the reason why you've had these

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cryptid encounters is due to the fact that you're as sensitive.

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But do you think the cryptids you've bumped into you

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somehow know that you're a sensitive.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't know. It's possible that

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they know that. I mean, obviously, because when I go

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out into the woods or wherever I am, I'm always

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trying to put out a vibration of love and just

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like protection, like protect whatever's they're and not I don't

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want to harm it anyway. I try not to be afraid.

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I try to get a rid of all my fear

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and just put like a childlike wonder feeling in my

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heart and like an innocence, and like I said, to

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protect it and keep it secret. You know, I think

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they can read our thoughts. I think they can read

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our intentions. I think that they know if we have

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bad intentions right away. We can't hide those things from

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them no matter how hard we try. And it is

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really important just to really meditate on why you're there

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and what your intention is with these things. You know,

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do we just want to see it or are you

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trying to do other things capture it or harm it?

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And our consciousness, our whole planetary consciousness, needs to level

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up a little bit, and we need to try to

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understand things and not just want to destroy it or

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have it for our own be selfish like that. It's

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really important.

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Speaker 2: Oh it is.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say it's definitely how things are,

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but there's a lot of evidence out there pointing to

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the idea that cryptids can read our minds somehow, and

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if they can, wow, can you think of a bigger advantage?

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Speaker 1: That'd be great? I mean, I'm almost positive they can

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read our intentions in our minds. They are interdimensionary creatures anyways,

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you know, So I don't understand why they wouldn't be

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able to read our minds in our hearts and really

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feel our energy, you know, because they are traveling through

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different energy fields to get two different dimensions anyways, So

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I think it would be absurd to think that they

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couldn't in some way read our intentions.

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Speaker 2: Well this is just me, but I sure hope they

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can't read my mind. If they could, they'd say, holy cow,

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this guy is so freaky. I'm not going to go

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anywhere near him. He's a horror show.

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Speaker 1: No, they probably they probably enjoyed the fact that you're

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so admirable and have a show dedicated to them.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope they would. I hope they look at

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it that way. It'd be interesting what they thought. If

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dot com. All right, Sarah, please tell us about your

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dogman the encounter. Now give us ever last detail that

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, what was happening is about three o'clock in

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the morning, and I had my little twelve foot tiny

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trailer parked behind this Valley West shopping center in Arcada, California.

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And like I said, it was about three o'clock in

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the morning, and it was really kind of foggy. It

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was the late summer, I do believe. And I was

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just cleaning up the inside of my trailer because I

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was remodeling it and redoing it, updating it because it

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was from nineteen or something and it needed a lot

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of work. And I was just happened to be looking

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out my back window when I saw a big, huge

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dog about a hundred and fifty feet away walking under

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the street light. And I know a lot of the

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dogs in the neighborhood, so I was trying to place

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where I knew this dog from, but it did not

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look familiar. It was very large. It was about the

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size of a Great Dane or Press of Canario, but

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it had the fur of a I don't know, like

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a Bengi dog. It was black as night. The light

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seemed to absorb into its fur, and it was all

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like messed up and just looked shaggy, like it had

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been mauled by a pack of wolves just about it

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just really messed up hair, and it had the long legs,

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and it was walking slowly under the street light. And

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I thought, man, whose dog is that? I cannot think

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of whose dog would be out here by itself that night,

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all by itself, and like it's been having fun rolling

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in something. And sure enough, as soon as I had

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said that, under the street light, it goes and it

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starts to stand up on its hind legs. And I

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hear snapping and popping and crackling, like as if they

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were cracking their knuckles and like contorting or something. And

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it just stands up on its hind legs and rolls

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its shoulders back. Pop pop. I heard the pop pop

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the shoulders go in, and all of a sudden I

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realized it's a man's body with a dog's head, still

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black as night. You can see its gray skin of

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its chest, and it was ripped and you can see

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every single muscle and rib definition on its chest under

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the street light. And at this point I gasped like,

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well it hurt me, and it looked right in my direction,

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and I just froze and I held my breath, and

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there we are staring at each other, and it stood

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there for about three to five seconds, just staring at me,

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and I just held my breath, thinking, oh, why did

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you have to make a sound? What we're thinking? Oh

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my gosh. So I just stood there holding my breath.

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I could hear my heart beat in my ears. And

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then it took two huge, leaping steps in the direction

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it was going, which was east. Huge. I mean, there's

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no way you coun outrun this thing. It took the

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biggest steps I've ever seen anything, take, probably like ten

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to twelve foot stride. And on the third step, it

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And I just stood there in bewilderment, thinking what did

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I just see? I have no idea what that was.

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It looked like a werewolf. When it was finally standing

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up like a man, its face was really long, like

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a long dog's face, but still matted, missed up hair.

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Its ears pointed upward, and I didn't really see its

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hands and feet too much of detail. But it did

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have long fingers I could see, and I think it

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had dog's feet. But like I said, I was about

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one hundred and fifty hundred feet away from it, and

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so I just sat there in my trailer thinking that

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it was going to come back and peel the side

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of the wall back like a tin can, like a

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sardine can, and hurt me. But it never did. I mean,

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in that moment that we were staring at each other,

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I was thinking to myself, I don't want to hurt you.

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Please don't hurt me. I don't want to hurt you,

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Please don't hurt me. What am I looking at?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Just in awe. So I think that it did at

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that moment read my intentions and hear my thoughts like

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I don't want to hurt you. What the heck are you?

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What am I seeing? But I have not seen it

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since Now. I hear it at night in like about

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three o'clock in the morning every night. You can hear

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it on the other side of the river from where

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I stay howling, it starts to howl. It sounds like

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almost like a human starting in between a dog and human,

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a big loud howl, and then all the rest of

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the dog packs starts chiming in from regular dog house

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to a coyote hows and yipping, and then they go

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running like a pack down the river and into town,

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and they howl for about thirty minutes all together, all

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all up through town, and then that's it. That's until

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the next night. And that's pretty much that encounter. It

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just was momentary, but it felt like a lifetime right there.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it did feel like a lifetime. Now,

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a lot of eye witnesses have reported seeing dog men

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running with coyote packs on a fairly regular basis, almost

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like their best buds. But then one night they're watching

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them run around together, hanging out, and all of a sudden,

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without any provocation that they could detect, the dog man

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just turns and kills one of the coyotes that's within

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reach of it. Have you ever heard any sounds and

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make you think that maybe the dog man that's running

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with those coyotes that you've heard that it might have

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done that.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a good question, because there is one

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or two times when it seems like there may have

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been like a fight within them, or one of them

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might get hurt or killed because maybe one there's a

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there's a there's a ruckus like a dog fight, and

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then one dog will start howling sadly. You know, I've

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heard that maybe twice in the whole time I've you know,

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the several years I've been here. So I don't know

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that it happens regularly or often, but yeah, I would

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say that that probably does happen every once in a while.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we can't read their minds or think for them,

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but it really does make you wonder what's behind that.

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Just like anything else, there's a reason for everything they do.

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Just wonder what the reason is. It makes them just

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go from being best buds one moment, but then the

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next moment they're tearing the coyote apart that was right

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next to it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that isn't really I don't know, but I do

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know all behavior has a meaning, even if it's you

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don't understand it. All behavior has a meaning, and it

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could possibly be a dominance thing to let the other

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pack know that that is the boss like an alpha thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there's no doubt about that amongst the coyotes. Yeah,

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I'm sure they know that all too well. Now, you

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said you've been hearing it almost every night running with

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the coyotes after you had that encounter, But what about before?

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Did you ever hear it before that encounter?

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Speaker 1: You know, I used to hear dogs howling, but I

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never thought anything of it. I thought it was just

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that the neighbors across the river that had a big, old,

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huge dog pack, and then that would cause the coyotes

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to start howling, and then you know, all the dogs

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up and down the river start howling. So I really

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never thought of anything like that until I saw that

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dog man.

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Speaker 2: So it's almost like it's being done for your benefit

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in a way.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps I will never know.

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Speaker 2: Had anything happen before that night where you got the

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impression that something was off, that maybe something was around

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that wasn't a normal animal.

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Speaker 1: No, not, not no, no, not at all, not at all.

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I never heard anything. I never seen anything until that

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particular night when I've seen the dog man, and then

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you know, then I was able to open my eyes

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and see other things around that might not be a

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little bit normal, you know.

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Speaker 2: No, I understand sometimes people in your situation they heard things,

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but they didn't connect the dots. I didn't realize what

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it was they were hearing. Sometimes they hear it for

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a long time, for maybe even years, then all of

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a sudden they have an encounter and then they suddenly

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understand what it was. I was making the sounds. But yeah,

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I mean like in your case, or eether eyewitnesses, or

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just something that happens seemingly out of the blue, and

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then after the encounter, they get this feeling like something's around.

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So that's why I asked about that. Your encounter happened

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around three am. You said the witching hour. Do you

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think there's anything to that? You are sensitive after all?

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Do you think there is anything to that whole idea

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about the witching hour?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know there is. At three am, it's very quiet,

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most people are sleeping, there's not traffic, there's not the

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noise of people's cell phones, cars track. It's very quiet,

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both odds whirly and frequency wise. So I think that

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around three and four the frequencies are so that it

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allows other things that vibrate on a different frequency level

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to appear in here in this dimension with us more easily.

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We are able to see it more easily rather than

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during the hustle of busy day or things of that nature.

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Witching hour that is an interesting thing because that is

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a time when you would want to do magic, because

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it is so quiet and you can meditate and focus

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and bring your intentions into the light without any interruption

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or static.

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Speaker 2: A lot of strange things definitely do happen around that time.

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So it sure has made me wonder for some time

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now if there is something to that or not. It

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really does make you wonder. You told us that its

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fur was all messed up, almost like it had been

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attacked by a pack of dogs or something. Did you

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ever see any wounds on it or was it just

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the fur itself that was messed up?

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't see any wounds at all. It

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was just the fur looked so madded, like as if

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it was greasy or yeah, like if it had some

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sort of hair product and then spiked out. It was

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just the weirdest look to it. It was really matted

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and really messed up. And yeah, it had been rolling

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in something like mud or breeze or something like that.

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Speaker 2: You weren't exactly on top of it, but you're close

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enough to get a pretty darn good look at it.

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With that in mind, what do you think this dog

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man was? Do you think it was just a flesh

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and blood creature or a supernatural being? What do you

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think about that?

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Speaker 1: I think that it was a flesh and blood creature.

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I don't think it was a figment of my imagination

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or something that wasn't there. I don't think it was

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a ghost. I don't think it was anything that. It

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was definitely a flesh and blood creature. It had to

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navigate this physical realm that we're in right now and

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run and jump and walk, And it heard me when

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I gasped, and it stared right at me. We like

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stare at each other for a minute. So I do

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believe it was here. I do believe it's flesh and blood,

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and to the fact that I hear it howling at

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night or in the morning and leads me to believe

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that it is a flesh and blood creature.

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Speaker 2: Of course, just because it was flesh and blood, that

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doesn't mean that all dogmen are Do you think all

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dogmen are flesh and blood creatures? Or do you think

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some are flesh and blood, some are from the ether.

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Speaker 1: I believe that when they manifest here in this dimension,

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they are flesh and blood. They may come from other

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dimensions as an ether or something else, an energy, a frequency,

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but when they manifest here, I believe that they are

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flesh and blood. This dimension we are in here, this realm,

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is flesh and blood.

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Speaker 2: That right there is something that gets so mixed up

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on a regular basis. I really don't know anything about

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that at all, but I've heard it said where just

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like you said, beings can be flesh and blood, but

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they can still be interdimensional. It's just so hard for

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me to understand how that could work. But nothing's impossible exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's like in Costa Rica, they have these leprechauns, and

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they are flesh and blood when they are here in

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this dimension. However, if you scare or corner a leprechaun

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and Costa Rica, that thing will turn into water and

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go into the ground immediately. So it has a way

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of escaping this dimension by becoming water, which is still

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quote unquote flesh and blood. It's a liquid matter, maybe

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not flesh and blood anymore, but it becomes something that

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is still tactile in this dimension, that then can go

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and hide in another dimension.

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Speaker 2: If that's true, it's no wonder that it never been caught.

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That would explain a lot. When you gasped and it

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turned and looked at you, did it snap its head

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like it was surprised, or did it turn its head

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and away? They gave you the impression that it knew

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you were there. It just hadn't been looking at you.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's snapped its head in my direct and

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it had no idea I was watching it. It was.

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It was startled just as much as I was.

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Speaker 2: Probably you said it was startled. You said almost in

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a way the first time we spoke that you felt

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sorry for it. Please expand on that for us.

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Speaker 1: Well, because Okay, I was talking to some friends in

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the neighborhood and they one of the girls had said

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that she witnessed some of the good old boys i've

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rednecks around here hunting the dog Man one night on

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the freeway and they had their trucks four by fours

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out there with their casey lights. They all had shotguns

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and assault rifles, and they were trying to hunt this

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thing down to kill it. And it made me sad

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because the dog man, it didn't ask to be born

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that way. It didn't come into the world to be

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a dog man. It just is. It just came about

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that way. It just happened that way. We don't ask

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to be human, We just are born human. When you're

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born with disabilities, won't ask for those disabilities. It just

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is that way. So why people just want to hunt

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this thing down and kill it is is a bit

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ignorant and selfish, because then why would you want to

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hunt something down that did not come to be what

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it is through its own you know, desires. It is

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a cryptid that is disappearing off the earth. Obviously there's

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not very many. We don't see very many. We see

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them now and then just like oh mah, our bigfoot,

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the same thing. Why would you want to capture or

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kill something that did not ask to be born what

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it is? We just have to coexist with it. It

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has just so much right to be here as we do.

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And if we made a space for it and just

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live and let live, I think that the attacks would

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go down, probably because people would want to respect its space.

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They would probably put food out for it or you know,

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give it space to travel. And not try to get

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in its path or you know, the Native Americans used

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to trade with Bigfoot. Bigfoot was a part of their culture.

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They used to trade food items. The Oma they called it.

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Omah would come and help them with work, moving large stones,

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moving large logs, helping them build things that would take

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ten men to do. Oma could do was one. But

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then there came a day in the late seventeen hundreds,

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early eighteen hunreds where Omah came and said that they

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would have to go and hide and they would not

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be able to trade anymore because there was a white

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terror coming this way that was going to wipe them out.

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So that just goes to show that they can read

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intentions and hearts and minds. They know what's going on.

477
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And why can't we just let things live and let live.

478
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,400
I don't understand why people have a fascination with killing

479
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,680
things that they don't know. We were so afraid of

480
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,680
the unknown that we shoot first and asked questions later,

481
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,319
and that is a terrible way to live.

482
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:56,319
Speaker 2: Well, like I said before, I love you live and

483
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,839
let live mentality. But being fair, a lot of these

484
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,039
guys have caused a lot of trauma and eyewitnesses, it

485
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:08,200
didn't have to be caused. So I do like your

486
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:11,960
live and let live mentality. But a lot of these

487
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,200
guys are far from saints. I mean, they cause traumatic

488
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,079
encounters to happen that ruin lives. Now, we don't know

489
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,160
what the percentage of dog men who are out there

490
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,079
causing these traumatic encounters to happen would be. I mean,

491
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,119
maybe that's just a chip off the iceberg when it

492
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,079
comes to these guys. Maybe most of these guys by

493
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,240
far and large, mind their own business and don't traumatize people.

494
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,960
But at least some of these guys are far from innocent.

495
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,000
So I don't want to Yeah, I me, you.

496
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: Know, And and going along with that is like where

497
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,759
dides trauma come from. It is that person is responsible

498
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:53,799
for their own emotional state. You know, whether or not

499
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,920
you're startled by a dog man and terrorized by it,

500
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:02,759
or whether you happened to be in its home, you know,

501
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,720
in its path, whether you want to believe that or not.

502
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:09,279
You know, when you're out in the nature and in

503
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:12,200
the woods and in the places, you have to understand

504
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,440
that before you were there, that was something else's home

505
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,359
for long before you came in there. So you got

506
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,160
to try to see it from that point of view too.

507
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,000
I mean, I'm not saying I'm not nedicating anybody's trauma

508
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,640
or experience, but we are responsible for our own emotional

509
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,279
well being in state. So there is something, you know,

510
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:35,559
we have to understand that because we are frightened, or

511
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,519
there's things that we can't believe we saw because we

512
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,400
don't want to believe that it exists. You can't be

513
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:48,599
angry that it does exist. It seems absurd. Why are

514
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:54,640
they so traumatized by the experience? Did something happen or

515
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,559
were they just so frightened that it caused them to

516
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,000
have it gets stuck, you know, they get some energy

517
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:05,599
stuck somewhere that is difficult to start moving again, to

518
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,880
move on, and let that be a good lesson to

519
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:14,240
like elevate their consciousness rather than stay stuck in a place.

520
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:18,079
Speaker 2: You know, I can understand your mindset on that, Sarah,

521
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:23,559
but it really depends on how emotionally strong the eyewitnesses.

522
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:26,440
What happens to them when they have their encounter. I mean,

523
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:29,400
your encounter is as tame as a dog. Mean, an

524
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,240
encounter can be almost I guess you can have one

525
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,599
that's even a little more team than yours. But I

526
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:37,960
mean I have spoken with people who have had night

527
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:41,799
nourish encounters, encounters that are just over the top. You

528
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,279
talk with a grown man or a grown woman, someone

529
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,359
in their sixties who you can tell, I mean they're

530
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,279
normally emotionally sounds an oak, but they're talking with you

531
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,319
and they're shaken like they're sitting on a paint mixer.

532
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,559
I mean, they're shaken like it's like you're talking to

533
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,240
a five year old who looked under his bed and

534
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,000
came nose to nose with the Boogeyman. And when you

535
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,160
find out the nature of their encounters, you understand why

536
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,279
they're shaken like they are when they're talking to you

537
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:14,680
and crying and almost inconsolable. So yeah, it just depends

538
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,079
on the nature of the encounter that these things force

539
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,920
upon eyewitnesses. Now, I can understand your point about us

540
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,319
invading their territory, invading their homes, which obviously most encounters

541
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:29,559
do happen in the forest or places where forests were

542
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,440
recently cut down to build homes. But yeah, I mean

543
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,079
the encounters do happen in places where structures have been

544
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,559
up for a long long time. People think that the

545
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,200
only places that you're going to have encounters would be

546
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,440
going into a forest, especially a big forest. But I

547
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,039
mean encounters do happen well within the city limits of

548
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:56,000
major metropolitan areas. I mean Dallas, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland, Cincinnati,

549
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:58,640
I can go on and on. I mean well within

550
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,559
the city limits of places like that where we're talking

551
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:07,200
places that clearly are not quote unquote recently their territory

552
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,920
that was cut down. So yeah, in most cases I

553
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,200
agree with what you said there, but yeah, there are

554
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,519
exceptions where these guys they just go to links to

555
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,480
terrorize people, apparently for no reason at all, and for

556
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,480
that I have a big problem. Now again I'm not

557
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,119
saying they all do that, but for the ones that do,

558
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:26,799
I've got a big problem with that.

559
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,759
Speaker 1: I would agree with you, and I would just say

560
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:33,279
that when you are traveling through dimensions, we don't understand

561
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,359
how that works, but I believe that you skip time

562
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,519
because time. We don't understand time as it happens in space.

563
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,279
We see down through our own eyes measured by a clock.

564
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:53,039
But time is fluid. Time is, it can be jumped,

565
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:58,200
it can be we can, we can we can time travel.

566
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,480
So if you think about it, and if we go

567
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:03,079
through dimensions, there's a big chance that you're going to

568
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,000
come out in a timeline that is not consistent with

569
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,680
the one you were just in. So when it comes

570
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,000
to seeing these things, I believe that maybe they are

571
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,519
traveling through time as well as space. So at the

572
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,319
same time, when they come out into this dimension, perhaps

573
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,680
when they are appearing in these metropolitan areas and the

574
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,200
city areas like I saw mine, they are coming from

575
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,599
a place that maybe wasn't a metropolitan AI or a

576
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,160
city area where they were. But when they hop through

577
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,799
the portal to go where they're going, they come out

578
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,440
in a space that is unfamiliar and probably frightening to

579
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,599
them at that moment because it is so different from

580
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,000
where they have just come from. They don't understand where

581
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:51,960
they are or the technology or the beings that are

582
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:58,599
around them. That is my thought on that, just trying

583
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:00,799
to think about where these things are come from and

584
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:03,960
where they go when they're not here, If.

585
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: That's what's behind it, it sure does make you wonder

586
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:09,320
what their home does look like where they come from.

587
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000
It makes you wonder what's the norm there. I can

588
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:13,599
only imagine.

589
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,559
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I really can what.

590
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:19,559
Speaker 2: I really have a problem with when it comes to

591
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,760
these guys, and again back on this whole live and

592
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,320
let live idea. It's one thing to be bitter because

593
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,599
the habitat that they're using is cut down and is

594
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,639
no longer there. That's one thing. But when they do

595
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,840
so many malicious things, and malicious that's the best way

596
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,840
to sum it up. They do so many malicious things

597
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,679
that aren't against the people us who cut down their

598
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,480
habitat or anything like that. When you talk with a

599
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,360
little boy who watched his dog be slaughtered out there

600
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,519
in the backyard by one of these things for no reason,

601
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,000
apparently no reason at all. That dog wasn't responsible for

602
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:58,280
its habitat being cut down. And what does that accomplish

603
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,760
by its slaughtering that dog specifically waiting for that little

604
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,599
boy to be looking out the back bay window before

605
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:09,199
it does that. I mean, that's just malicious want and slaughter.

606
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,880
There's no purpose behind that. When you look at things

607
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,360
like that being done, that really makes it hard, my opinion,

608
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,159
to look at these guys in that light where, okay,

609
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,719
we cut down their habitat and they're trying to get

610
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,719
back at us for doing that. If that's how they're

611
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,280
going to try to get back at us. They're as

612
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,440
bad as we are in my.

613
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,599
Speaker 1: Opinion, Well, I believe that some of these creatures are

614
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,960
brought from a lower level of vibration than we are.

615
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,840
They come from a place that doesn't have the light

616
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:51,880
that we have, the spark that we have. They are

617
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,960
a darker spark, darker being. That is basically a curse

618
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,400
upon this land when our ancestors came over here and

619
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,239
started slaughtering all the Native Americans, just outright slaughtering them

620
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,679
in horrific just massacres, that innocent blood that went into

621
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,039
the dirt of this land tainted it, and their shaman

622
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:17,480
and their medicine men. They felt they had to curse

623
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:24,119
this place until something was made right and that slaughter stopped. Well,

624
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,519
that slaughter didn't slap until every single Native American on

625
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:31,440
this continent was almost killed, almost every single one. And

626
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,039
we think about the Holocaust, and it was a holocaust

627
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:38,320
on epic proportions for the Native Americans. So to think

628
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,119
that something dark and evil or misguided is not going

629
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:48,000
to come out of that is just a fantasy, that

630
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:53,159
is absurd. When you have maga scale, there's murder slaughter,

631
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,840
children being chopped up into pieces and burned and cooked

632
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,800
and eaten. I mean, some of the stories are absolutely

633
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,840
horrific what people have done to the Americans of this continent.

634
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:08,159
You might be able to think about it in that way.

635
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,039
Maybe it is a curse of retribution, a curse of revenge,

636
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:21,239
a curse of something too, because there's too much innocent

637
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,719
blood in this land for there to be like only

638
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,880
good creatures there. I mean, when you have that kind

639
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,679
of dark evil, then you have to expect that there's

640
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,960
going to be something residual left over, something that can

641
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,800
manifest itself and get revenge on all the innocent blood

642
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,519
that is in this dirt.

643
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: Those are some interesting points that you raised, and there

644
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,360
are quite a few other people who have studied dog

645
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,840
men who they would basically repeat everything you said as

646
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,920
being what's behind them being here. The whole dog me

647
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,360
a phenomenon. Some people they get frustrated when I bring

648
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,679
this up, But there definitely does seem to be a

649
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,920
connection between a lot of dog mean sightings and them

650
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,719
being around Native American burial grounds. So there just might

651
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,960
be some there there. That is a really good point

652
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,920
where I should say, those are really good points.

653
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:17,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of burial grounds here that we

654
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:21,880
don't know. They are buried deep in the ground. For example,

655
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,400
my sister and her friends lived just a few blocks

656
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,280
over and they were digging a garden and they started

657
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:35,159
finding these huge three foot razor clam shells in the

658
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:38,599
figure of an asterisk in the ground, a huge asterisk,

659
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:43,400
and then they would find things like saber toothed tiger teeth.

660
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:45,280
They took to the university and even had a carbon

661
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,800
data to five thousand years ago, and these huge razor clams.

662
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,239
We don't see them this big today, all these arranged

663
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,639
in asterisks on the ground. And I do believe that

664
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:59,679
that was probably a burial ground and that's how they

665
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,800
marked their loved one's graves is with these shells and

666
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,840
stones and artifacts that they held close to them. And

667
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,800
so there is so many places like that that have

668
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,119
just been bulldozed and cleared and built on over by

669
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,559
the people that came here. And it's desecration, you know,

670
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,320
that is absolute desecration. So to think that that something

671
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,039
is not going to try and get retribution for that

672
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,639
kind of desecration, you're just fooling yourself. My opinion.

673
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:39,199
Speaker 2: Oh, it's definitely absolutely shameful that that was done, absolutely deplorable,

674
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,960
and Neil, like I said, there just might be something

675
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:45,760
to that if curses were placed on the land and

676
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,239
that was done especially, Yeah, I guess we probably shouldn't

677
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,519
be surprised that things like dog that are popping up,

678
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,199
we really shouldn't. Back to talking about that dogging you saw,

679
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,840
you described it as having a man's body after it's

680
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,280
it up, but it had a dog's head and dog feet.

681
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,039
Does that mean that its legs structure looked like kenone

682
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,599
legs or did they look more like human legs?

683
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,679
Speaker 1: You know? When it stood up and it popped its

684
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,039
knees into place they were, it was more like looking

685
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:20,119
like a human leg But it still had a bend

686
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,599
to it when it was jumping and leaping. So even

687
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:26,599
though it looked like a man with a dog's head,

688
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:30,519
when it stood up, its legs could It was so

689
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,119
powerful and they bent in a way that wasn't necessarily

690
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,719
natural for a man's leg to bend when it jumped

691
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:44,400
and ran. So I'm not I can't be certain, but

692
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,039
I think it is a mix. This one in particular

693
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:51,840
was a mix of a man's and a dog's legs,

694
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,280
because it did have the feet of a dog, and

695
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,360
its joints were a little bit shorter than a man's.

696
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,320
Where the knee articulation would be in a man human

697
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,679
then a dog, it was a little bit different. And

698
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,639
the way it could bend and jump was incredible. I've

699
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,599
never seen anything like it. There's no way you could

700
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,480
outrun something like that. Ever, you could keep up with

701
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:15,960
a car easily, I'm sure.

702
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, I believe it, and they do that. They do

703
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:24,440
that all the time. Now. Talking about its thighs, these

704
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,519
things canon type dog men. In a lot of cases,

705
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:31,119
their thighs will look like a man's thigh. But where

706
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:34,199
the knee is, that's where things change. Below the knee,

707
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:38,719
it'll go backwards, and then it'll go into a hawk,

708
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:41,280
and then the hawk, which is off the ground, goes

709
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,679
down to a dog like foot, a huge dog like foot.

710
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,760
Does that sound like what you saw?

711
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? That is That is pretty much what I saw.

712
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,000
It was hard to see because that fur of the

713
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,599
creature seemed to absorb the light around it. You know,

714
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,239
it's so the only thing that shined that I could

715
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,880
see the definition of what its chest and see its face.

716
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,840
It was all dark, and it just absorbed all the

717
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,599
light around it, and so its legs it was hard

718
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,199
to really see, but it looked like a man's leg

719
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,599
structure at the thigh, like you said, But as it

720
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,760
went down to the foot, it looks more and more

721
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,960
like a canid style foot and leg because the ankle

722
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,039
joint was up in the air where and its heel

723
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:24,440
seemed to be up in the air kind of. When

724
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,320
it was jumping and running, it was like it was

725
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,760
on its tippy toes, which were huge feet.

726
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: So it did have hocs and that would explain its

727
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,000
speed and ability to jump the way it did. That

728
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,039
explains a lot. Yeah, that's one of the funky things

729
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:41,599
about these guys. There are a lot of variants, of course,

730
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:46,480
but some have knees like us. Others, instead of having knees,

731
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,760
they have stifled joints the way a horse or a

732
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,960
dog would have. It really isn't any rhyme nor reason

733
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,199
to it. That holds true with a lot of things

734
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,199
when it comes to dog men, So I guess I

735
00:42:56,199 --> 00:43:00,519
shouldn't be all that surprised now talking about variants, you

736
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:04,079
said it had a dog like head, but what kind

737
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:06,039
of a dog would you say, had a head that

738
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,719
resembled this one's most.

739
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: You know, the nose and snout and mouth area where elongated,

740
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,199
and the best way I can describe it is a

741
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,400
were wolf if you saw a were wolf, except for

742
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:22,920
its mouth and nose were a little bit more boxy

743
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,239
when it came out. I can't really think of the

744
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:30,760
exact breed of a dog what it would be, but

745
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,599
it would be like a German shepherd with a huge,

746
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,559
huge mouth and face that kind of elongation of the

747
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:45,920
nose and mouth outwards. And then the head was skinnier

748
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,079
than a were wolf's when it went up, and its

749
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:51,920
ears were actually upright instead of like to the side

750
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,000
like a wolf or something. It was more like a

751
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,039
German shepherd's style head. I'd say, so, just we're.

752
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,159
Speaker 2: On the same page. It had somewhat of a German

753
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,440
shepherd looking head. But you said it's kind of like

754
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,639
a were wolf's head because it looked like a German

755
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:12,480
shepherd's head with a wild look to it. Is that

756
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:14,840
why you say it looked like a werewolf? Almost?

757
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? And it's the way its face was shaped was

758
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,639
different than a shepherd in that the sides of its

759
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,000
mouth and its nose were in the same plane when

760
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:29,360
it came out. When it protruded out, it was about

761
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:34,760
you know, five six inches long from its let's say eyes,

762
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:41,440
So it had a much more protruding nose and mouth together.

763
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:44,320
It was a very rather than just being a pointed

764
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,039
nose and a cinner mouth, you know, not so wide.

765
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:51,880
It had a very wide mouth that came out with

766
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,079
its nose, kind of like a crocodile mouth almost.

767
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,559
Speaker 2: That doesn't pain the pretty picture at all, but nothing

768
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:01,559
about a doult may normally you said it had a

769
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,960
wide mouth like that, almost like an alligator's. Are you

770
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:09,559
also saying in that that its mouth came back further

771
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,360
on its head than what you would normally expect for

772
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,679
it to do, or did it come back to the

773
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,840
normal amount As far as the opening of the mouth.

774
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: Well, it didn't open its mouth. When I saw it,

775
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,639
I could it was so hard to see, like I said,

776
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,920
and then the light just was absorbed by the thing,

777
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,480
so I couldn't really see where it mouth was open.

778
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,760
But I'm thinking when I seen it turn and I

779
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,480
saw its profile, yeah, it was. Its mouth did go

780
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,280
back kind of far. It had a big bite, let's say,

781
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,719
if it bit you. It could Probably it would definitely

782
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,960
be able to bite your whole arm off. I mean

783
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,559
your our whole arm, a whole forearm at the shoulder,

784
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,599
at the shoulder articulation would fit in this thing's mouth easily.

785
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,119
Speaker 2: That's not a comforting thought either, But yeah, I believe it.

786
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:58,440
I don't doubt that at all. Now, light was obviously

787
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,119
hitting it. You talked about how it's first seemed to

788
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:04,960
absorb the light, But what about its eyes? From what

789
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,119
you saw of its eyes when it snapped its head

790
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:09,280
and looked at you, did the eyes on this thing

791
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,360
seemed to be back lit? Or were you seeing what

792
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,840
you would expect to be in the way of a

793
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,000
reflection in its size of that light you?

794
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:19,199
Speaker 1: No, I had no reflection in its eyes whatsoever. That's

795
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,079
another thing that kind of made me wonder what it was,

796
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,519
because it had no reflection in the eyes like that

797
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:27,599
of a cat or a a coon or a dog.

798
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,000
There was no reflection. It was darkness, dark where the

799
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,880
eyes would be completely dark. Like I said, it absorbed

800
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,360
the light around it. It did not have any reflection.

801
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,320
The only reflection I could see was the shiny skin

802
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,000
on its chest.

803
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,159
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts going through your head

804
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,960
when all this was going on only camp.

805
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could have just kicked myself for gasping.

806
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,079
Speaker 2: Oh, well, that's natural or you're human, so you do

807
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:56,800
things like that when you see a dog man or

808
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,320
its ears on top of its head or on the sides.

809
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,159
Speaker 1: They were on top for the most part that I

810
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,159
remember it, not on the sides. So that was like

811
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:07,320
when it was it snapped to look at me, it's

812
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,360
ears went straight up and it looked over at me

813
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,960
like kind of like a great dane.

814
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,039
Speaker 2: So when it turned and looked at you, you said

815
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:20,679
it popped its ears up, It didn't pin them.

816
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they went straight up in the air and just

817
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,800
like honed in on right where I was at, and

818
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,280
it just stared in my direction. I couldn't see its

819
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,519
eyes or its face at that point because they had

820
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,519
walked just a little bit out of from underneath the

821
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:37,840
street light, and it was the street light was shining

822
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,880
on its back, and so I could barely see the

823
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,360
reflection of its chest from the other street light across

824
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,320
the street. But I didn't see any sort of indication

825
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,960
of a face at all, because the light just seemed

826
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,119
to go into it and not, you know, it just

827
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,840
was a dark darkness. It was like looking into a

828
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,719
closet or something.

829
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, I understand a lot of them their fur.

830
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,920
Does that now a question I'm going to try to

831
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,719
make a habit out of asking on a regular basis

832
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,360
is when it turned and looked at you, it wasn't

833
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,079
facing you the whole time before it turned to look

834
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:16,920
at you, it was facing sideways to you. With that

835
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:20,440
in mind, did its chest look to you like it

836
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,880
was wider than deep or deeper than wide? Were just

837
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,400
about the same depth is with hmm?

838
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: Well, it was very lean. It was a very lean creature.

839
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,719
You can see all the definitions of its muscles and

840
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,440
of its ribs. It was elongated like that of maybe

841
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,719
a body builder. You know. It had very wide shoulders.

842
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,400
And then it went tapered down into a slender waist,

843
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,639
and not before you could see its spectryalus muscles. You

844
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:56,480
could see every intercostal muscle and every abdominal muscle. And

845
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:59,920
then the fur took it back over and obscured the light.

846
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,280
But you could see every muscle on its chest and adamant.

847
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,679
Speaker 2: Oh, I believe it. Some of them are built, so

848
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,400
I do believe it now, when it wasn't looking at you,

849
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,320
when it wasn't facing you, did you ever see a tail?

850
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: Now when it was walking, I did see a tail,

851
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,320
But then as it stood up and ran away, I

852
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,360
did not notice a tail. Of course I wasn't really

853
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,039
thinking about it at the time, But no, I didn't

854
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:34,639
notice a tail after it stood up. Not to say

855
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:35,280
that it wasn't there.

856
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:41,639
Speaker 2: Oh, that's understandable. That's not your fault. A little known

857
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:44,719
fact about these guys is when they get aroused sometimes

858
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,800
they'll tuck their tails between their legs and bring it

859
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,000
forward up in front. And that might be what happened,

860
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,559
and that would explain why you didn't see the tail

861
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,320
after it realized you were there.

862
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,119
Speaker 1: You know, now that you mentioned it. I do believe

863
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,559
that's what happened. I do believe that because it seemed

864
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:04,360
like it had Tucket's tail when it stood up.

865
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:08,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just might have done that. That's something I

866
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:10,760
was explaining to an eyewitness what a couple of days ago.

867
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,880
The reports have just been pouring in and this poor

868
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,119
eyewitness watched his cat being killed in the backyard.

869
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:21,199
Speaker 1: But one of these things, so.

870
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,119
Speaker 2: It is it is, like we mentioned at the top

871
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,760
of this show. You've had other cryptid encounters besides that

872
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,920
one with a dog man. What can you tell us

873
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,360
about those experiences?

874
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: Well, the one I can think about that's my favorite

875
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,079
is the fact that I've I have encountered little wild

876
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:47,719
men around my camp. And when I left my had

877
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,960
just set up a nice tent and laid carpet, white

878
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,880
carpet in the bottom of it, and we went to

879
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,679
the store to go get some drinks, and I had

880
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,880
left a bag of Recis's peanut butter cups open on

881
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:03,320
the floor near the back of the tent. And when

882
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,079
we returned, something was different. I noticed that there was

883
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:12,199
wrappers everywhere, and there was tiny little feet prints coming

884
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,480
from the side underneath the side of the tent, and

885
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,719
little tiny handprints all around where the peanut butter cups were,

886
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,400
and each there had been something that had unwrapped, carefully

887
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,480
unwrapped each of these peanut butter cup wrappers, eaten the

888
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,599
peanut butter cup, and then discarded the wrapper and gotten

889
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:33,960
another one. They had left me two in the whole bag.

890
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,559
But the feet and the hands were so tiny they

891
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:40,880
were the feet we couldn't have been more than four

892
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,480
inches long, and the little hands were about two two

893
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:47,760
and a half inches long. And I had been hearing

894
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,440
something all around the tent at night, something that scurrying

895
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:57,039
like two feet but running so fast. It was the

896
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:02,320
pattern was so fast and you couldn't quite catch it,

897
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,679
you know. But after I left the peanut butter cups out,

898
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,760
I think that it was a good offering because I

899
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,599
was able to catch a glimpse of one of these things.

900
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,320
And what it was was a tiny little wild man.

901
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,360
It was hood about two two and a half feet tall.

902
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,599
It had crazy wild hair, kind of like the Muppet

903
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:28,639
animal you know in the Muppets. Its hair was just crazy,

904
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,000
spiked out, matted, and it had a little beard and

905
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:37,239
a little mustache, and it ran with the speed of light.

906
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,840
I'll tell you, the thing is so fast. It's faster

907
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,599
than a rat. It's faster than anything I've ever seen before.

908
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:48,079
And they can go in any space just about. I mean,

909
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,960
these things are I've never seen anything like it. It

910
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:56,480
was so fast and so hairy. It just looked like

911
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,880
a ball of fur flying through the air. When I

912
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,199
when I when I saw it run finally, and I

913
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,280
don't think it had any intention for me. But then

914
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,719
when I first went there to camp, I had just

915
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,920
a little talk with the area around it and just

916
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:15,000
spoke out loud like I am here and not here

917
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,519
to harm you. I'm not here to do anything to you.

918
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:20,199
Please don't harm me. I'm here to protect you. Please

919
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,559
protect me. I won't let anybody else come here to

920
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:26,679
try and harm you or find you or catch you.

921
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:31,639
So please just let me stay here in peace. And

922
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,239
if you should need anything like food or water, there

923
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,119
will be here. There will be some here for you always.

924
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,960
I'm always going to share with you, And so I

925
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:47,320
always left out food and water for it and little treats, candies,

926
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,159
things of that sort. But their favorite was definitely the

927
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,239
resist peanut butter cups.

928
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,679
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you right now, Sarah, if

929
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,039
you make a habit out of leaving recey cups laying

930
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,960
around like that, you run a high probability of having

931
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:02,719
a vicing counter because I can't get enough of those things.

932
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,559
I don't blame those little dudes, I don't.

933
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: It was funny because that wasn't the only thing laying out.

934
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,440
That was the funny thing. I had a whole toe

935
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,000
of like different food items like beef jerky and all

936
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:19,239
kinds of little snacks and treats, but they chose those

937
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,679
peanut butter cups. That was the funny thing. They probably

938
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,199
ate one and they were like, oh, these are the

939
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,519
bomb that I want, these ones. We weren't gone very long,

940
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:28,159
but they had eaten almost the whole bag before we

941
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,800
came back. And they didn't bother anything else in the toe.

942
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,719
They just wanted those peanut butter cups.

943
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,119
Speaker 2: Well, I can understand why. Yeah, those things are as

944
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:40,599
addicting as all get out, I understand. Now you've had

945
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:45,599
another experience too, with a very unusual couple of creatures.

946
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,400
Tell us about that if you don't mind.

947
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,559
Speaker 1: Well me and both me and my sister have had

948
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:54,239
encounters with puck wedgies. And what a puck wedge is

949
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,840
is like, it's kind of like a little porcupine man.

950
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,559
It stands up on its hind legs like hod and

951
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:05,400
walks with like hominid legs, but its body looks like

952
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:08,239
a hedgehog or a porcupine, and it has a little

953
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:12,800
like hedgehog face kind of, but with a big, huge

954
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,719
smiling mouth of teeth, sharp teeth. And the one my

955
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,119
sister saw, I believe or not, was wearing a derby hat.

956
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,119
She was up in Oric. She was having a hot

957
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:26,960
tub at a friend's property, and she the hackles on

958
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:30,119
her neck started to stand up, and she just felt

959
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:33,000
everything got silent, like it was in a vacuum. And

960
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:36,559
she turned to the side to look, and she saw,

961
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,679
she didn't understand what she was saying at first, a

962
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:44,719
little porcupine looking man with a dirty hat walking along

963
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,119
down the trail beside the hot tub, and it looked

964
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:52,039
over at her. It hissed, showing its big old mouth

965
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:56,960
of teeth, and then kept walking with this insidious smile

966
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:01,480
on its face. And she just sat there and watched

967
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:04,559
it walk out into the back into the woods, and

968
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:06,760
then promptly got up and went into the house and

969
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,199
told her boyfriend what she had just seen, and he

970
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,199
explained to her what it was, that there was a puckwadge,

971
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,679
and that he had also seen those. And then I

972
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,480
had also seen a puckwodge right over here in the

973
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:20,000
Valley West area. Again, there is a group of bushes

974
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:23,719
and trees and shrubbery that borders the along the highway

975
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,000
to one over here, And we were over here by

976
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,239
this abandoned school, just kind of checking things out at

977
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,719
night and in this small little bush it has made

978
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,599
a little house. Well it's not a small bush, it's

979
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:40,280
actually a big bush, but it has made a little

980
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:42,920
house out of the inside of it where it stays.

981
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,760
And I barely could see it, and I said, oh,

982
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,920
there's a puckwadgi in there. And we had gotten pizza

983
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,960
that night, so I tossed it a couple pieces of

984
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,519
pizza because it was kicking an empty tin can. That's

985
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:57,239
how I knew there was something in there. I could

986
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,519
hear something kicking a little tin can in there, and

987
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:02,079
I looked in and there was a puck wedgie in there,

988
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:06,599
kicking a tin can, and it looked like maybe it

989
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:08,880
was hungry, you know. So I took a couple of

990
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,320
pieces of pizza and I just tossed them in there,

991
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,400
and then I just left it be, because you don't

992
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,400
really want to mess with puck weodgies. They don't trust

993
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,599
humans anymore. We broke our bond with them a long

994
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:21,119
time ago. We used to be friends with them back

995
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,000
in the old times, like you know, five thousand years ago,

996
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:27,199
but they don't trust this anymore at all. But after

997
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,079
I fed at the pizza, it was less aggressive because

998
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:33,760
sometimes it would come around and kick the cans really

999
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,880
heavy and throw stuff around and really make a rucket's

1000
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,960
trying to scare us away. But after I fed at

1001
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,639
the pizza, it was like it would only come around

1002
00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:43,320
and kick the can if it was hungry, so that

1003
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,679
was cool. I knew when it was hungry, and I

1004
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:47,119
would just throw at some food and then it would

1005
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:49,119
go on its merry way. But there's a whole family

1006
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:52,239
of puck wedgies that lived back there along and underneath

1007
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,119
the highway, and there was some people trying to catch

1008
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:59,280
it and hunt it a while back. But I think

1009
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,000
they are like the leper and they just can't be

1010
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:04,360
caught because they can materialize and demateialize into something else,

1011
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,679
probably water, since this is a water planet, and water

1012
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,679
is alive and well and it has its own thoughts

1013
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,679
and beings, and I think it's a living thing water

1014
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:19,840
by itself, and that's why things can turn the water

1015
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,880
when they are scared, or when they are they need

1016
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,360
to get away from us, because water can move anywhere

1017
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,480
it wants with great speed and accuracy, and we can't

1018
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:33,440
capture it like that, you know, we can't just grab it.

1019
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,639
It just slows our hands. So I think that's why

1020
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,360
some of the beings out here, like the leprochaonn and

1021
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,440
Costa Rica, change itself into water to escape.

1022
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: You sure have had some amazing experiences, never a dull moment.

1023
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,559
And speaking of that, there's one more encounter you had

1024
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,599
you haven't shared with us yet.

1025
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:58,039
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Okay, So just recently I had that. Okay,

1026
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:01,079
like about four months ago. We got hired on this

1027
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:04,480
job to clear this property for this lady in Neeland

1028
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,480
that is having this setting up a doggy daycare exile piece.

1029
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,000
She has a couple of acres of property on a

1030
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,400
piece of land that hasn't been really cleared and since

1031
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,159
in the last two hundred years since they first logged it.

1032
00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:19,440
So there was some vergon forest on this property that

1033
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,280
had some old growth stump on it that itself looked

1034
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,119
like a portal. The bottom of it was open and

1035
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,599
the darkness just seemed to absorb all the light within it.

1036
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,719
A few feet into this stump, my friend, he's from

1037
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:37,800
Costa Rica, and he started to cut down some of

1038
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,039
these little trees and shrubs and like some of these

1039
00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:44,599
colts foot were huge, and the berry bushes it would

1040
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:47,519
just looked like at a Jurassic Park. This area for property,

1041
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,960
it looked prehistoric. It was amazing, and I felt so

1042
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:54,960
bad having to clear it a path through it because

1043
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:57,840
it just seemed like it was a good place to

1044
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,320
hide if you were something like that, and Suan off.

1045
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:03,840
As soon as he started cutting a path through there,

1046
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:07,119
I started seeing things that I had never seen before,

1047
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:10,559
orbs of light and these shadows that were flying around

1048
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,239
different shapes. They would move. It was kind of like

1049
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,320
if you had something in your eye, but it wasn't

1050
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,599
in my eye. It was in the air above it

1051
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:21,480
and above the tree line, in the tree line, all

1052
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:25,360
these different shapes and shadow things and light orbs and

1053
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:32,079
my heart and I just got this overwilming sense of dread, anxiety, sadness, grief.

1054
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:34,559
It just hit me like a wall and I just

1055
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:37,360
started crying. I couldn't stop crying. I couldn't stop sobbing.

1056
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,280
I saw I sawed uncontrollably for two days while we

1057
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,280
worked on this property, and I just told them I can't,

1058
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:44,480
I can't cut that. I will help you clear it,

1059
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:48,159
but I cannot. And all the conscience cut that these

1060
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:49,920
things are telling me that we shouldn't be doing this.

1061
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,599
That they're afraid. They don't want us here. Why are

1062
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:57,039
we doing this? They don't understand. And my friend, he's

1063
01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:59,440
from Costal Rica. He's very open minded. He has had

1064
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,440
a big footing counter when he was a young boy

1065
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,599
and he came face to face with Omah and ever

1066
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:07,039
since then he's been searching out big But you know,

1067
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,360
we go squatching every once in a while in this

1068
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:12,599
in deep borest areas. But so he understood what I

1069
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:15,039
was saying. He couldn't see it, and he couldn't feel that,

1070
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:19,079
but he understood that I could and I could see that,

1071
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,159
and so he allowed me to just clear the brush

1072
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:26,199
away as he as he cut it, and we left

1073
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,320
offerings for that whatever it was. Every time we left

1074
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,960
the property from then on out, the like spirits, fruits,

1075
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,679
vegetables and nots, little things like that to just you know,

1076
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:43,360
apologize and offer something, you know, in return for having

1077
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:48,079
cut a swathing path through their home, their peaceful, beautiful home.

1078
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,039
And on one of the last days we were there,

1079
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:54,000
I was sitting at the bottom of the hill and

1080
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:57,639
I look I felt something watching me, and I heard something,

1081
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,519
and I look up the hill and I they see something,

1082
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:04,599
but I don't know what I'm looking at. And then

1083
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:07,039
it starts to move a little bit, and then the

1084
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:10,440
other one starts to move it, and it was the

1085
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:13,280
strangest thing I've ever seen in my life. It was

1086
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,519
they were green, the same color of green as the

1087
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:22,360
trees and bushes around it. Their skin was like leaves.

1088
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,519
You could see the veins of like leaves, and it

1089
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:28,559
was all green skin. You could see their face, it

1090
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:31,599
had like a human face, a human head. Their hair

1091
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:37,400
was all leaves. It was like leaves coming out, like

1092
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,599
like if you had braided leaves in your hair or something.

1093
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:42,400
Their body, the bottom of their body was like a fawn.

1094
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:45,760
It was like a deer bottom of their body. And

1095
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,880
they had hands, and they had two sets of ears.

1096
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,440
One was a human ear on the side of their head,

1097
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:53,760
and they had another ear on the top of their

1098
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,000
head like a deer ear. And they were beautiful. They

1099
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,199
were so beautiful. The man had a small beard that

1100
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:08,119
was also leaves, and mustache that was also leaves, and

1101
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:12,199
they were just watching us. I think they were communicating

1102
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,239
to each other, but I couldn't tell what they were saying.

1103
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,039
Their mouth didn't seem to move very much. And I

1104
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:23,599
couldn't really hear, but I could feel them kind of

1105
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,280
just basically like they were like the open seers of

1106
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,599
that area, I felt like, and they were just kind

1107
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,480
of seeing if we were gonna what we were going

1108
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:34,280
to do next, if we were done, if if we

1109
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,320
were hopefully we weren't going to chether. I think they

1110
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,599
were just seeing if we were going to come back

1111
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:43,039
with the chainsaw, because I had told them already that

1112
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:44,760
we were not going to use the chain saw anymore,

1113
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,880
because they did not like the chan saw. Everything in

1114
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,039
there was just freaking out when we had the chansaw out,

1115
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,320
and I can understand why, but it was the strangest

1116
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:59,239
thing I've ever seen in my life. These green forest people,

1117
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:03,039
like it reminded me of pan except they were like

1118
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,039
they were like half plant, half people, and half fawn.

1119
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:10,599
It was it was just so strange. They had human arms,

1120
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,719
human hands that looked like but the bottom half of

1121
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,480
them was a deer and the fur on the bottom

1122
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:19,199
half of their body was green. Their their hoods were green,

1123
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,800
like a darker green, and their skin, all their chests,

1124
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:26,679
their their breasts, everything it was all green and like

1125
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:34,159
with veined like a leaf. And they they just didn't

1126
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:37,559
watch for a moment, and I asked my friend if

1127
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:40,320
he could see them, and he was looking up and

1128
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,639
he was looking and looking and looking. He's like, I'm

1129
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:45,719
not sure what I'm seeing. And then we looked at

1130
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,280
each other and we're talking, and then we looked back

1131
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:53,840
up there and they had faded back into the forest.

1132
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:56,000
You could I could barely see him at that point,

1133
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,320
and he couldn't see him anymore, but I could. I

1134
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,760
could barely see him. They were just aid it back

1135
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,880
into the bush like you couldn't. Naked, the regular human

1136
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,960
eye could never have known that they were there. They

1137
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:10,760
knew that they could probably sense that there was something

1138
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:13,679
different about the forest, but you could not make them out.

1139
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:17,960
They were so camouflaged. It was amazing. They camouflaged so well.

1140
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:24,639
And I couldn't believe I've seen him. I didn't believe

1141
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:26,480
what I was seeing when I was looking at it.

1142
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:28,639
I didn't want to believe that I was seeing what

1143
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:32,639
I was seeing. But as I was looking at it

1144
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:36,039
and just studying everything about them to tell him what

1145
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:39,719
I was seeing, I just was making all these mental

1146
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,360
notes of what the heck was this thing? You know?

1147
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:45,960
And I still I still don't really know what they were,

1148
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:49,840
but there are a definite forest being. I think they

1149
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,280
come from a different dimension too, but it might have

1150
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,960
been what was throwing the little pebbles at my friend

1151
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:55,280
when he was we whacking.

1152
01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:59,079
Speaker 2: Holy cows, Sarah, I don't know how you do it.

1153
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,039
How do you have any kind of normalcy in your

1154
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:05,519
life after having all these experiences with these fantastical beings?

1155
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: What is normal?

1156
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 2: Good point?

1157
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I'm blessed that I'm able

1158
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:19,679
to communicate or I don't know that they know my

1159
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,599
heart so well that they are brave enough to show

1160
01:06:22,639 --> 01:06:26,159
themselves to me. I feel very honored and very humble

1161
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,039
and to the point of tiers sometimes.

1162
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: Well, you're awfully lucky to have these experiences. They've all

1163
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,280
been positive. Hope that never changes, I really do. And

1164
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,559
you've got a lot of ancient forests there in humblet County,

1165
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:45,119
like you said, so who knows what's running around out there?

1166
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of these trees are five thousand years old.

1167
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,880
We were able to save and secure a small fraction

1168
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:55,760
of the old growth force at Headwaters Grove, So if

1169
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,880
people want to come visit, that's a really excellent place

1170
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,480
to experience old growth forest up in Headwaters Grove off

1171
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,639
of Elk River Road. There you will see five thousand

1172
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:08,599
year old trees and a virgin forest that has not

1173
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,199
been touched by man.

1174
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,239
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's an amazing place. It really is. Well,

1175
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:17,239
having said that, it's about time for us to get

1176
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:18,960
out of here. But before we do, do you have

1177
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,880
any clothes and comments? Who want to put out their forests?

1178
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:29,679
Speaker 1: Oh? Just stay open minded, stay open hearted, look at

1179
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:33,880
things as an opportunity to grow and learn, and don't

1180
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:39,400
be afraid go with fear. Life takes bravery. If something

1181
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:45,079
shows itself to you, clear your mind and just be

1182
01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:48,840
in the moment. Don't try to you know, catch it

1183
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,760
or you know it's just not They're not showing itself

1184
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,920
to you for you to do anything. They just are

1185
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:58,679
wanting you to know they're there, and let's share this

1186
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,960
space with them. And if you're coming up here, just

1187
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:03,760
stay on the path.

1188
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, I like the way

1189
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,440
you think about a lot of this. Of course, there

1190
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,920
are some things about dog men that we don't agree on,

1191
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,119
but that's a healthy thing. It's no big deal at

1192
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,239
all if we don't agree on everything. So having said that,

1193
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,840
I really do hope you never change, because I really

1194
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,560
do like the way you think. But having said that,

1195
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,359
thanks again so much for coming on. We really do

1196
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:51,600
appreciate your time and hope you have a great night