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Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, well, thank.
Speaker 2: You so much for being here. We appreciate your time. Sarah,
please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I am a sensor that has strange experiences lately.
I lived in humbold County, which is very rural part
of northern California. I am a nurse by education and
a healer by birth, and I have two grown children,
and I am I think I think that's about it.
I don't really know.
Speaker 2: You automatically know off the bat that I'm jealous of you.
The fact that you live in Humboldt County. That is
a beautiful place. It really is.
Speaker 1: It is very beautiful, very special place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my kind of country right there. Did you
say that you grew up in Humboldt County or did
you move there?
Speaker 1: I moved here when I was about nineteen years old.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I couldn't remember if we talked about that
yesterday when we had that first conversation or not. But yeah,
like I said, I'm green with envy because that's my
kind of country right there. But coming along with that,
a lot of people have gone missing in Humboldt County.
Did you know that? Where you aware that?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm very aware of that. And actually the Humble
County we have twice the missing person rate of the country,
the entire country, So people go missing here twice as
much as they do in the whole nation.
Speaker 2: What do you think is behind that?
Speaker 1: Well, I think because we are so rural and a
lot of people come from under the countries and other places,
and they don't really they're not aware that this place
is not just beautiful. There are other things here too,
not just cryptids and var texas things like that. But
there's people that hide in the wilderness here. It too
good place to hide, unfortunately for bad people. So there's
that part. And also people like to go hiking in
ancient forests, but I don't think they understand the risk
of that because the ground can actually give out and
open up huge crevasses of areas that may have been
forced floor at one time, but then are now piled
high with debris let's say twenty feet and you step
in the wrong soft spot on the ground and you
could end up in a crabass, just like as if
it was snow. Well, this is just loose dirt and mud.
Speaker 2: I can think of a lot of ways to go out,
but going out that way, that is one of the
last ways I'd want to go out. That would be horrible.
But yeah, so many people head into the woods when
they're not prepared to do that, especially going out alone. Yeah,
it's so easy to think that cryptids are behind most
of the disappearances, but that wouldn't be surprised if cases
like that top the list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I would just mention, unfortunately that because
this is such a rural area and what we're kind
of known for the marijuana trade and culture up here,
but nowadays it's a lot of cartels that have places
out there and are legally growing illegally so and they
are out there with guns and they aren't are not
trying to have any witnesses. So I would ensure I
would ask people if they come up here, stay on
the trails, go to the places that are parks that
are places that people are supposed to be and don't
go wandering off bushwacking in Virgin Country because oftentimes someone
else might be there and you might not want to
meet that person, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You definitely wouldn't want to meet them. And I can't
think of a better place to have a grow. There's
so many places out there where people normally just don't go.
But then again, you've got people who bush whack and
just go right off trail. I guess it would be
pretty easy to stumble into a place like that.
Speaker 1: That'd be horrible, absolutely and terrifying actually. And there's also,
I believe it or not, lots of cannibals in the area,
so that is another reason why people go missing around here.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I didn't know that. That's not good at
all either. Like you touched on just a moment ago,
you're sensitive. Now obviously you didn't ask to be as sensitive,
you were just born that way. But with that in mind,
do you see that as an advantage all the things
that come along with being a sensitive or in your opinion,
is it a drawback?
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good question. Sometimes it is a
drawback because you might start feeling something that you don't
want to feel, or tune into something that you don't
necessarily want to be seeing or experiencing at the time.
But for the most part, it's been highly beneficial for
me because it's kept me alive and out of places
where I don't want to be. It's also opened me
up to see things that I'm sure other people haven't
seen before in their lives, and I've been well protected
against it because they can also read my lots and
my intentions, I believe.
Speaker 2: So you think that the reason why you've had all
these cryptid encounters is because you are as sensitive.
Speaker 1: I believe that is part of it, a big part
of it, because I am like a person of love
and light and they can sense that within me, and
so I think that's why I don't get harmed by
it necessarily. Knock on wood, I think, and that my
intention is always not to harm whatever's there or try
to capture it or in any way, shape or form
bother that thing, but just to protect it and hide
it and keep it secret and keep people away from it.
Speaker 2: Softly admirable you have that mindset because most people, after
having a dog mean an encounter or an encounter with
any of the things you've bumped into out there. Most
people would want to just have those things wiped off
the face of the earth. So I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't. That's a terrible thought, actually, to wipe
all the things that are magic off the face of
the earth. Whether we agree with whatever kind of magic
it is, it's here for a reason, and it didn't
ask to be brought into the world that way. It
just was. It just is that way. So just as
we are who we are, we have to respect everything
that's here, whether we like it or not, and just
leave those things like live and let live kind of
a thing, you know.
Speaker 2: Softly admirable you're so open minded and feel that way.
I'm impressed. Like I said, now we've already established the
fact that you think the reason why you've had these
cryptid encounters is due to the fact that you're as sensitive.
But do you think the cryptids you've bumped into you
somehow know that you're a sensitive.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't know. It's possible that
they know that. I mean, obviously, because when I go
out into the woods or wherever I am, I'm always
trying to put out a vibration of love and just
like protection, like protect whatever's they're and not I don't
want to harm it anyway. I try not to be afraid.
I try to get a rid of all my fear
and just put like a childlike wonder feeling in my
heart and like an innocence, and like I said, to
protect it and keep it secret. You know, I think
they can read our thoughts. I think they can read
our intentions. I think that they know if we have
bad intentions right away. We can't hide those things from
them no matter how hard we try. And it is
really important just to really meditate on why you're there
and what your intention is with these things. You know,
do we just want to see it or are you
trying to do other things capture it or harm it?
And our consciousness, our whole planetary consciousness, needs to level
up a little bit, and we need to try to
understand things and not just want to destroy it or
have it for our own be selfish like that. It's
really important.
Speaker 2: Oh it is.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say it's definitely how things are,
but there's a lot of evidence out there pointing to
the idea that cryptids can read our minds somehow, and
if they can, wow, can you think of a bigger advantage?
Speaker 1: That'd be great? I mean, I'm almost positive they can
read our intentions in our minds. They are interdimensionary creatures anyways,
you know, So I don't understand why they wouldn't be
able to read our minds in our hearts and really
feel our energy, you know, because they are traveling through
different energy fields to get two different dimensions anyways, So
I think it would be absurd to think that they
couldn't in some way read our intentions.
Speaker 2: Well this is just me, but I sure hope they
can't read my mind. If they could, they'd say, holy cow,
this guy is so freaky. I'm not going to go
anywhere near him. He's a horror show.
Speaker 1: No, they probably they probably enjoyed the fact that you're
so admirable and have a show dedicated to them.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope they would. I hope they look at
it that way. It'd be interesting what they thought. If
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dot com. All right, Sarah, please tell us about your
dogman the encounter. Now give us ever last detail that
comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, what was happening is about three o'clock in
the morning, and I had my little twelve foot tiny
trailer parked behind this Valley West shopping center in Arcada, California.
And like I said, it was about three o'clock in
the morning, and it was really kind of foggy. It
was the late summer, I do believe. And I was
just cleaning up the inside of my trailer because I
was remodeling it and redoing it, updating it because it
was from nineteen or something and it needed a lot
of work. And I was just happened to be looking
out my back window when I saw a big, huge
dog about a hundred and fifty feet away walking under
the street light. And I know a lot of the
dogs in the neighborhood, so I was trying to place
where I knew this dog from, but it did not
look familiar. It was very large. It was about the
size of a Great Dane or Press of Canario, but
it had the fur of a I don't know, like
a Bengi dog. It was black as night. The light
seemed to absorb into its fur, and it was all
like messed up and just looked shaggy, like it had
been mauled by a pack of wolves just about it
just really messed up hair, and it had the long legs,
and it was walking slowly under the street light. And
I thought, man, whose dog is that? I cannot think
of whose dog would be out here by itself that night,
all by itself, and like it's been having fun rolling
in something. And sure enough, as soon as I had
said that, under the street light, it goes and it
starts to stand up on its hind legs. And I
hear snapping and popping and crackling, like as if they
were cracking their knuckles and like contorting or something. And
it just stands up on its hind legs and rolls
its shoulders back. Pop pop. I heard the pop pop
the shoulders go in, and all of a sudden I
realized it's a man's body with a dog's head, still
black as night. You can see its gray skin of
its chest, and it was ripped and you can see
every single muscle and rib definition on its chest under
the street light. And at this point I gasped like,
well it hurt me, and it looked right in my direction,
and I just froze and I held my breath, and
there we are staring at each other, and it stood
there for about three to five seconds, just staring at me,
and I just held my breath, thinking, oh, why did
you have to make a sound? What we're thinking? Oh
my gosh. So I just stood there holding my breath.
I could hear my heart beat in my ears. And
then it took two huge, leaping steps in the direction
it was going, which was east. Huge. I mean, there's
no way you coun outrun this thing. It took the
biggest steps I've ever seen anything, take, probably like ten
to twelve foot stride. And on the third step, it
cleared a six foot fence and was off into the dark.
And I just stood there in bewilderment, thinking what did
I just see? I have no idea what that was.
It looked like a werewolf. When it was finally standing
up like a man, its face was really long, like
a long dog's face, but still matted, missed up hair.
Its ears pointed upward, and I didn't really see its
hands and feet too much of detail. But it did
have long fingers I could see, and I think it
had dog's feet. But like I said, I was about
one hundred and fifty hundred feet away from it, and
so I just sat there in my trailer thinking that
it was going to come back and peel the side
of the wall back like a tin can, like a
sardine can, and hurt me. But it never did. I mean,
in that moment that we were staring at each other,
I was thinking to myself, I don't want to hurt you.
Please don't hurt me. I don't want to hurt you,
Please don't hurt me. What am I looking at?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Just in awe. So I think that it did at
that moment read my intentions and hear my thoughts like
I don't want to hurt you. What the heck are you?
What am I seeing? But I have not seen it
since Now. I hear it at night in like about
three o'clock in the morning every night. You can hear
it on the other side of the river from where
I stay howling, it starts to howl. It sounds like
almost like a human starting in between a dog and human,
a big loud howl, and then all the rest of
the dog packs starts chiming in from regular dog house
to a coyote hows and yipping, and then they go
running like a pack down the river and into town,
and they howl for about thirty minutes all together, all
all up through town, and then that's it. That's until
the next night. And that's pretty much that encounter. It
just was momentary, but it felt like a lifetime right there.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it did feel like a lifetime. Now,
a lot of eye witnesses have reported seeing dog men
running with coyote packs on a fairly regular basis, almost
like their best buds. But then one night they're watching
them run around together, hanging out, and all of a sudden,
without any provocation that they could detect, the dog man
just turns and kills one of the coyotes that's within
reach of it. Have you ever heard any sounds and
make you think that maybe the dog man that's running
with those coyotes that you've heard that it might have
done that.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good question, because there is one
or two times when it seems like there may have
been like a fight within them, or one of them
might get hurt or killed because maybe one there's a
there's a there's a ruckus like a dog fight, and
then one dog will start howling sadly. You know, I've
heard that maybe twice in the whole time I've you know,
the several years I've been here. So I don't know
that it happens regularly or often, but yeah, I would
say that that probably does happen every once in a while.
Speaker 2: Of course, we can't read their minds or think for them,
but it really does make you wonder what's behind that.
Just like anything else, there's a reason for everything they do.
Just wonder what the reason is. It makes them just
go from being best buds one moment, but then the
next moment they're tearing the coyote apart that was right
next to it.
Speaker 1: Well, that isn't really I don't know, but I do
know all behavior has a meaning, even if it's you
don't understand it. All behavior has a meaning, and it
could possibly be a dominance thing to let the other
pack know that that is the boss like an alpha thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there's no doubt about that amongst the coyotes. Yeah,
I'm sure they know that all too well. Now, you
said you've been hearing it almost every night running with
the coyotes after you had that encounter, But what about before?
Did you ever hear it before that encounter?
Speaker 1: You know, I used to hear dogs howling, but I
never thought anything of it. I thought it was just
that the neighbors across the river that had a big, old,
huge dog pack, and then that would cause the coyotes
to start howling, and then you know, all the dogs
up and down the river start howling. So I really
never thought of anything like that until I saw that
dog man.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like it's being done for your benefit
in a way.
Speaker 1: Perhaps I will never know.
Speaker 2: Had anything happen before that night where you got the
impression that something was off, that maybe something was around
that wasn't a normal animal.
Speaker 1: No, not, not no, no, not at all, not at all.
I never heard anything. I never seen anything until that
particular night when I've seen the dog man, and then
you know, then I was able to open my eyes
and see other things around that might not be a
little bit normal, you know.
Speaker 2: No, I understand sometimes people in your situation they heard things,
but they didn't connect the dots. I didn't realize what
it was they were hearing. Sometimes they hear it for
a long time, for maybe even years, then all of
a sudden they have an encounter and then they suddenly
understand what it was. I was making the sounds. But yeah,
I mean like in your case, or eether eyewitnesses, or
just something that happens seemingly out of the blue, and
then after the encounter, they get this feeling like something's around.
So that's why I asked about that. Your encounter happened
around three am. You said the witching hour. Do you
think there's anything to that? You are sensitive after all?
Do you think there is anything to that whole idea
about the witching hour?
Speaker 1: Well, you know there is. At three am, it's very quiet,
most people are sleeping, there's not traffic, there's not the
noise of people's cell phones, cars track. It's very quiet,
both odds whirly and frequency wise. So I think that
around three and four the frequencies are so that it
allows other things that vibrate on a different frequency level
to appear in here in this dimension with us more easily.
We are able to see it more easily rather than
during the hustle of busy day or things of that nature.
Witching hour that is an interesting thing because that is
a time when you would want to do magic, because
it is so quiet and you can meditate and focus
and bring your intentions into the light without any interruption
or static.
Speaker 2: A lot of strange things definitely do happen around that time.
So it sure has made me wonder for some time
now if there is something to that or not. It
really does make you wonder. You told us that its
fur was all messed up, almost like it had been
attacked by a pack of dogs or something. Did you
ever see any wounds on it or was it just
the fur itself that was messed up?
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't see any wounds at all. It
was just the fur looked so madded, like as if
it was greasy or yeah, like if it had some
sort of hair product and then spiked out. It was
just the weirdest look to it. It was really matted
and really messed up. And yeah, it had been rolling
in something like mud or breeze or something like that.
Speaker 2: You weren't exactly on top of it, but you're close
enough to get a pretty darn good look at it.
With that in mind, what do you think this dog
man was? Do you think it was just a flesh
and blood creature or a supernatural being? What do you
think about that?
Speaker 1: I think that it was a flesh and blood creature.
I don't think it was a figment of my imagination
or something that wasn't there. I don't think it was
a ghost. I don't think it was anything that. It
was definitely a flesh and blood creature. It had to
navigate this physical realm that we're in right now and
run and jump and walk, And it heard me when
I gasped, and it stared right at me. We like
stare at each other for a minute. So I do
believe it was here. I do believe it's flesh and blood,
and to the fact that I hear it howling at
night or in the morning and leads me to believe
that it is a flesh and blood creature.
Speaker 2: Of course, just because it was flesh and blood, that
doesn't mean that all dogmen are Do you think all
dogmen are flesh and blood creatures? Or do you think
some are flesh and blood, some are from the ether.
Speaker 1: I believe that when they manifest here in this dimension,
they are flesh and blood. They may come from other
dimensions as an ether or something else, an energy, a frequency,
but when they manifest here, I believe that they are
flesh and blood. This dimension we are in here, this realm,
is flesh and blood.
Speaker 2: That right there is something that gets so mixed up
on a regular basis. I really don't know anything about
that at all, but I've heard it said where just
like you said, beings can be flesh and blood, but
they can still be interdimensional. It's just so hard for
me to understand how that could work. But nothing's impossible exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like in Costa Rica, they have these leprechauns, and
they are flesh and blood when they are here in
this dimension. However, if you scare or corner a leprechaun
and Costa Rica, that thing will turn into water and
go into the ground immediately. So it has a way
of escaping this dimension by becoming water, which is still
quote unquote flesh and blood. It's a liquid matter, maybe
not flesh and blood anymore, but it becomes something that
is still tactile in this dimension, that then can go
and hide in another dimension.
Speaker 2: If that's true, it's no wonder that it never been caught.
That would explain a lot. When you gasped and it
turned and looked at you, did it snap its head
like it was surprised, or did it turn its head
and away? They gave you the impression that it knew
you were there. It just hadn't been looking at you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's snapped its head in my direct and
it had no idea I was watching it. It was.
It was startled just as much as I was.
Speaker 2: Probably you said it was startled. You said almost in
a way the first time we spoke that you felt
sorry for it. Please expand on that for us.
Speaker 1: Well, because Okay, I was talking to some friends in
the neighborhood and they one of the girls had said
that she witnessed some of the good old boys i've
rednecks around here hunting the dog Man one night on
the freeway and they had their trucks four by fours
out there with their casey lights. They all had shotguns
and assault rifles, and they were trying to hunt this
thing down to kill it. And it made me sad
because the dog man, it didn't ask to be born
that way. It didn't come into the world to be
a dog man. It just is. It just came about
that way. It just happened that way. We don't ask
to be human, We just are born human. When you're
born with disabilities, won't ask for those disabilities. It just
is that way. So why people just want to hunt
this thing down and kill it is is a bit
ignorant and selfish, because then why would you want to
hunt something down that did not come to be what
it is through its own you know, desires. It is
a cryptid that is disappearing off the earth. Obviously there's
not very many. We don't see very many. We see
them now and then just like oh mah, our bigfoot,
the same thing. Why would you want to capture or
kill something that did not ask to be born what
it is? We just have to coexist with it. It
has just so much right to be here as we do.
And if we made a space for it and just
live and let live, I think that the attacks would
go down, probably because people would want to respect its space.
They would probably put food out for it or you know,
give it space to travel. And not try to get
in its path or you know, the Native Americans used
to trade with Bigfoot. Bigfoot was a part of their culture.
They used to trade food items. The Oma they called it.
Omah would come and help them with work, moving large stones,
moving large logs, helping them build things that would take
ten men to do. Oma could do was one. But
then there came a day in the late seventeen hundreds,
early eighteen hunreds where Omah came and said that they
would have to go and hide and they would not
be able to trade anymore because there was a white
terror coming this way that was going to wipe them out.
So that just goes to show that they can read
intentions and hearts and minds. They know what's going on.
And why can't we just let things live and let live.
I don't understand why people have a fascination with killing
things that they don't know. We were so afraid of
the unknown that we shoot first and asked questions later,
and that is a terrible way to live.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said before, I love you live and
let live mentality. But being fair, a lot of these
guys have caused a lot of trauma and eyewitnesses, it
didn't have to be caused. So I do like your
live and let live mentality. But a lot of these
guys are far from saints. I mean, they cause traumatic
encounters to happen that ruin lives. Now, we don't know
what the percentage of dog men who are out there
causing these traumatic encounters to happen would be. I mean,
maybe that's just a chip off the iceberg when it
comes to these guys. Maybe most of these guys by
far and large, mind their own business and don't traumatize people.
But at least some of these guys are far from innocent.
So I don't want to Yeah, I me, you.
Speaker 1: Know, And and going along with that is like where
dides trauma come from. It is that person is responsible
for their own emotional state. You know, whether or not
you're startled by a dog man and terrorized by it,
or whether you happened to be in its home, you know,
in its path, whether you want to believe that or not.
You know, when you're out in the nature and in
the woods and in the places, you have to understand
that before you were there, that was something else's home
for long before you came in there. So you got
to try to see it from that point of view too.
I mean, I'm not saying I'm not nedicating anybody's trauma
or experience, but we are responsible for our own emotional
well being in state. So there is something, you know,
we have to understand that because we are frightened, or
there's things that we can't believe we saw because we
don't want to believe that it exists. You can't be
angry that it does exist. It seems absurd. Why are
they so traumatized by the experience? Did something happen or
were they just so frightened that it caused them to
have it gets stuck, you know, they get some energy
stuck somewhere that is difficult to start moving again, to
move on, and let that be a good lesson to
like elevate their consciousness rather than stay stuck in a place.
Speaker 2: You know, I can understand your mindset on that, Sarah,
but it really depends on how emotionally strong the eyewitnesses.
What happens to them when they have their encounter. I mean,
your encounter is as tame as a dog. Mean, an
encounter can be almost I guess you can have one
that's even a little more team than yours. But I
mean I have spoken with people who have had night
nourish encounters, encounters that are just over the top. You
talk with a grown man or a grown woman, someone
in their sixties who you can tell, I mean they're
normally emotionally sounds an oak, but they're talking with you
and they're shaken like they're sitting on a paint mixer.
I mean, they're shaken like it's like you're talking to
a five year old who looked under his bed and
came nose to nose with the Boogeyman. And when you
find out the nature of their encounters, you understand why
they're shaken like they are when they're talking to you
and crying and almost inconsolable. So yeah, it just depends
on the nature of the encounter that these things force
upon eyewitnesses. Now, I can understand your point about us
invading their territory, invading their homes, which obviously most encounters
do happen in the forest or places where forests were
recently cut down to build homes. But yeah, I mean
the encounters do happen in places where structures have been
up for a long long time. People think that the
only places that you're going to have encounters would be
going into a forest, especially a big forest. But I
mean encounters do happen well within the city limits of
major metropolitan areas. I mean Dallas, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland, Cincinnati,
I can go on and on. I mean well within
the city limits of places like that where we're talking
places that clearly are not quote unquote recently their territory
that was cut down. So yeah, in most cases I
agree with what you said there, but yeah, there are
exceptions where these guys they just go to links to
terrorize people, apparently for no reason at all, and for
that I have a big problem. Now again I'm not
saying they all do that, but for the ones that do,
I've got a big problem with that.
Speaker 1: I would agree with you, and I would just say
that when you are traveling through dimensions, we don't understand
how that works, but I believe that you skip time
because time. We don't understand time as it happens in space.
We see down through our own eyes measured by a clock.
But time is fluid. Time is, it can be jumped,
it can be we can, we can we can time travel.
So if you think about it, and if we go
through dimensions, there's a big chance that you're going to
come out in a timeline that is not consistent with
the one you were just in. So when it comes
to seeing these things, I believe that maybe they are
traveling through time as well as space. So at the
same time, when they come out into this dimension, perhaps
when they are appearing in these metropolitan areas and the
city areas like I saw mine, they are coming from
a place that maybe wasn't a metropolitan AI or a
city area where they were. But when they hop through
the portal to go where they're going, they come out
in a space that is unfamiliar and probably frightening to
them at that moment because it is so different from
where they have just come from. They don't understand where
they are or the technology or the beings that are
around them. That is my thought on that, just trying
to think about where these things are come from and
where they go when they're not here, If.
Speaker 2: That's what's behind it, it sure does make you wonder
what their home does look like where they come from.
It makes you wonder what's the norm there. I can
only imagine.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I really can what.
Speaker 2: I really have a problem with when it comes to
these guys, and again back on this whole live and
let live idea. It's one thing to be bitter because
the habitat that they're using is cut down and is
no longer there. That's one thing. But when they do
so many malicious things, and malicious that's the best way
to sum it up. They do so many malicious things
that aren't against the people us who cut down their
habitat or anything like that. When you talk with a
little boy who watched his dog be slaughtered out there
in the backyard by one of these things for no reason,
apparently no reason at all. That dog wasn't responsible for
its habitat being cut down. And what does that accomplish
by its slaughtering that dog specifically waiting for that little
boy to be looking out the back bay window before
it does that. I mean, that's just malicious want and slaughter.
There's no purpose behind that. When you look at things
like that being done, that really makes it hard, my opinion,
to look at these guys in that light where, okay,
we cut down their habitat and they're trying to get
back at us for doing that. If that's how they're
going to try to get back at us. They're as
bad as we are in my.
Speaker 1: Opinion, Well, I believe that some of these creatures are
brought from a lower level of vibration than we are.
They come from a place that doesn't have the light
that we have, the spark that we have. They are
a darker spark, darker being. That is basically a curse
upon this land when our ancestors came over here and
started slaughtering all the Native Americans, just outright slaughtering them
in horrific just massacres, that innocent blood that went into
the dirt of this land tainted it, and their shaman
and their medicine men. They felt they had to curse
this place until something was made right and that slaughter stopped. Well,
that slaughter didn't slap until every single Native American on
this continent was almost killed, almost every single one. And
we think about the Holocaust, and it was a holocaust
on epic proportions for the Native Americans. So to think
that something dark and evil or misguided is not going
to come out of that is just a fantasy, that
is absurd. When you have maga scale, there's murder slaughter,
children being chopped up into pieces and burned and cooked
and eaten. I mean, some of the stories are absolutely
horrific what people have done to the Americans of this continent.
You might be able to think about it in that way.
Maybe it is a curse of retribution, a curse of revenge,
a curse of something too, because there's too much innocent
blood in this land for there to be like only
good creatures there. I mean, when you have that kind
of dark evil, then you have to expect that there's
going to be something residual left over, something that can
manifest itself and get revenge on all the innocent blood
that is in this dirt.
Speaker 2: Those are some interesting points that you raised, and there
are quite a few other people who have studied dog
men who they would basically repeat everything you said as
being what's behind them being here. The whole dog me
a phenomenon. Some people they get frustrated when I bring
this up, But there definitely does seem to be a
connection between a lot of dog mean sightings and them
being around Native American burial grounds. So there just might
be some there there. That is a really good point
where I should say, those are really good points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of burial grounds here that we
don't know. They are buried deep in the ground. For example,
my sister and her friends lived just a few blocks
over and they were digging a garden and they started
finding these huge three foot razor clam shells in the
figure of an asterisk in the ground, a huge asterisk,
and then they would find things like saber toothed tiger teeth.
They took to the university and even had a carbon
data to five thousand years ago, and these huge razor clams.
We don't see them this big today, all these arranged
in asterisks on the ground. And I do believe that
that was probably a burial ground and that's how they
marked their loved one's graves is with these shells and
stones and artifacts that they held close to them. And
so there is so many places like that that have
just been bulldozed and cleared and built on over by
the people that came here. And it's desecration, you know,
that is absolute desecration. So to think that that something
is not going to try and get retribution for that
kind of desecration, you're just fooling yourself. My opinion.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's definitely absolutely shameful that that was done, absolutely deplorable,
and Neil, like I said, there just might be something
to that if curses were placed on the land and
that was done especially, Yeah, I guess we probably shouldn't
be surprised that things like dog that are popping up,
we really shouldn't. Back to talking about that dogging you saw,
you described it as having a man's body after it's
it up, but it had a dog's head and dog feet.
Does that mean that its legs structure looked like kenone
legs or did they look more like human legs?
Speaker 1: You know? When it stood up and it popped its
knees into place they were, it was more like looking
like a human leg But it still had a bend
to it when it was jumping and leaping. So even
though it looked like a man with a dog's head,
when it stood up, its legs could It was so
powerful and they bent in a way that wasn't necessarily
natural for a man's leg to bend when it jumped
and ran. So I'm not I can't be certain, but
I think it is a mix. This one in particular
was a mix of a man's and a dog's legs,
because it did have the feet of a dog, and
its joints were a little bit shorter than a man's.
Where the knee articulation would be in a man human
then a dog, it was a little bit different. And
the way it could bend and jump was incredible. I've
never seen anything like it. There's no way you could
outrun something like that. Ever, you could keep up with
a car easily, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Well, I believe it, and they do that. They do
that all the time. Now. Talking about its thighs, these
things canon type dog men. In a lot of cases,
their thighs will look like a man's thigh. But where
the knee is, that's where things change. Below the knee,
it'll go backwards, and then it'll go into a hawk,
and then the hawk, which is off the ground, goes
down to a dog like foot, a huge dog like foot.
Does that sound like what you saw?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That is That is pretty much what I saw.
It was hard to see because that fur of the
creature seemed to absorb the light around it. You know,
it's so the only thing that shined that I could
see the definition of what its chest and see its face.
It was all dark, and it just absorbed all the
light around it, and so its legs it was hard
to really see, but it looked like a man's leg
structure at the thigh, like you said, But as it
went down to the foot, it looks more and more
like a canid style foot and leg because the ankle
joint was up in the air where and its heel
seemed to be up in the air kind of. When
it was jumping and running, it was like it was
on its tippy toes, which were huge feet.
Speaker 2: So it did have hocs and that would explain its
speed and ability to jump the way it did. That
explains a lot. Yeah, that's one of the funky things
about these guys. There are a lot of variants, of course,
but some have knees like us. Others, instead of having knees,
they have stifled joints the way a horse or a
dog would have. It really isn't any rhyme nor reason
to it. That holds true with a lot of things
when it comes to dog men, So I guess I
shouldn't be all that surprised now talking about variants, you
said it had a dog like head, but what kind
of a dog would you say, had a head that
resembled this one's most.
Speaker 1: You know, the nose and snout and mouth area where elongated,
and the best way I can describe it is a
were wolf if you saw a were wolf, except for
its mouth and nose were a little bit more boxy
when it came out. I can't really think of the
exact breed of a dog what it would be, but
it would be like a German shepherd with a huge,
huge mouth and face that kind of elongation of the
nose and mouth outwards. And then the head was skinnier
than a were wolf's when it went up, and its
ears were actually upright instead of like to the side
like a wolf or something. It was more like a
German shepherd's style head. I'd say, so, just we're.
Speaker 2: On the same page. It had somewhat of a German
shepherd looking head. But you said it's kind of like
a were wolf's head because it looked like a German
shepherd's head with a wild look to it. Is that
why you say it looked like a werewolf? Almost?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And it's the way its face was shaped was
different than a shepherd in that the sides of its
mouth and its nose were in the same plane when
it came out. When it protruded out, it was about
you know, five six inches long from its let's say eyes,
So it had a much more protruding nose and mouth together.
It was a very rather than just being a pointed
nose and a cinner mouth, you know, not so wide.
It had a very wide mouth that came out with
its nose, kind of like a crocodile mouth almost.
Speaker 2: That doesn't pain the pretty picture at all, but nothing
about a doult may normally you said it had a
wide mouth like that, almost like an alligator's. Are you
also saying in that that its mouth came back further
on its head than what you would normally expect for
it to do, or did it come back to the
normal amount As far as the opening of the mouth.
Speaker 1: Well, it didn't open its mouth. When I saw it,
I could it was so hard to see, like I said,
and then the light just was absorbed by the thing,
so I couldn't really see where it mouth was open.
But I'm thinking when I seen it turn and I
saw its profile, yeah, it was. Its mouth did go
back kind of far. It had a big bite, let's say,
if it bit you. It could Probably it would definitely
be able to bite your whole arm off. I mean
your our whole arm, a whole forearm at the shoulder,
at the shoulder articulation would fit in this thing's mouth easily.
Speaker 2: That's not a comforting thought either, But yeah, I believe it.
I don't doubt that at all. Now, light was obviously
hitting it. You talked about how it's first seemed to
absorb the light, But what about its eyes? From what
you saw of its eyes when it snapped its head
and looked at you, did the eyes on this thing
seemed to be back lit? Or were you seeing what
you would expect to be in the way of a
reflection in its size of that light you?
Speaker 1: No, I had no reflection in its eyes whatsoever. That's
another thing that kind of made me wonder what it was,
because it had no reflection in the eyes like that
of a cat or a a coon or a dog.
There was no reflection. It was darkness, dark where the
eyes would be completely dark. Like I said, it absorbed
the light around it. It did not have any reflection.
The only reflection I could see was the shiny skin
on its chest.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts going through your head
when all this was going on only camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could have just kicked myself for gasping.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, that's natural or you're human, so you do
things like that when you see a dog man or
its ears on top of its head or on the sides.
Speaker 1: They were on top for the most part that I
remember it, not on the sides. So that was like
when it was it snapped to look at me, it's
ears went straight up and it looked over at me
like kind of like a great dane.
Speaker 2: So when it turned and looked at you, you said
it popped its ears up, It didn't pin them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they went straight up in the air and just
like honed in on right where I was at, and
it just stared in my direction. I couldn't see its
eyes or its face at that point because they had
walked just a little bit out of from underneath the
street light, and it was the street light was shining
on its back, and so I could barely see the
reflection of its chest from the other street light across
the street. But I didn't see any sort of indication
of a face at all, because the light just seemed
to go into it and not, you know, it just
was a dark darkness. It was like looking into a
closet or something.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I understand a lot of them their fur.
Does that now a question I'm going to try to
make a habit out of asking on a regular basis
is when it turned and looked at you, it wasn't
facing you the whole time before it turned to look
at you, it was facing sideways to you. With that
in mind, did its chest look to you like it
was wider than deep or deeper than wide? Were just
about the same depth is with hmm?
Speaker 1: Well, it was very lean. It was a very lean creature.
You can see all the definitions of its muscles and
of its ribs. It was elongated like that of maybe
a body builder. You know. It had very wide shoulders.
And then it went tapered down into a slender waist,
and not before you could see its spectryalus muscles. You
could see every intercostal muscle and every abdominal muscle. And
then the fur took it back over and obscured the light.
But you could see every muscle on its chest and adamant.
Speaker 2: Oh, I believe it. Some of them are built, so
I do believe it now, when it wasn't looking at you,
when it wasn't facing you, did you ever see a tail?
Speaker 1: Now when it was walking, I did see a tail,
But then as it stood up and ran away, I
did not notice a tail. Of course I wasn't really
thinking about it at the time, But no, I didn't
notice a tail after it stood up. Not to say
that it wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's understandable. That's not your fault. A little known
fact about these guys is when they get aroused sometimes
they'll tuck their tails between their legs and bring it
forward up in front. And that might be what happened,
and that would explain why you didn't see the tail
after it realized you were there.
Speaker 1: You know, now that you mentioned it. I do believe
that's what happened. I do believe that because it seemed
like it had Tucket's tail when it stood up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just might have done that. That's something I
was explaining to an eyewitness what a couple of days ago.
The reports have just been pouring in and this poor
eyewitness watched his cat being killed in the backyard.
Speaker 1: But one of these things, so.
Speaker 2: It is it is, like we mentioned at the top
of this show. You've had other cryptid encounters besides that
one with a dog man. What can you tell us
about those experiences?
Speaker 1: Well, the one I can think about that's my favorite
is the fact that I've I have encountered little wild
men around my camp. And when I left my had
just set up a nice tent and laid carpet, white
carpet in the bottom of it, and we went to
the store to go get some drinks, and I had
left a bag of Recis's peanut butter cups open on
the floor near the back of the tent. And when
we returned, something was different. I noticed that there was
wrappers everywhere, and there was tiny little feet prints coming
from the side underneath the side of the tent, and
little tiny handprints all around where the peanut butter cups were,
and each there had been something that had unwrapped, carefully
unwrapped each of these peanut butter cup wrappers, eaten the
peanut butter cup, and then discarded the wrapper and gotten
another one. They had left me two in the whole bag.
But the feet and the hands were so tiny they
were the feet we couldn't have been more than four
inches long, and the little hands were about two two
and a half inches long. And I had been hearing
something all around the tent at night, something that scurrying
like two feet but running so fast. It was the
pattern was so fast and you couldn't quite catch it,
you know. But after I left the peanut butter cups out,
I think that it was a good offering because I
was able to catch a glimpse of one of these things.
And what it was was a tiny little wild man.
It was hood about two two and a half feet tall.
It had crazy wild hair, kind of like the Muppet
animal you know in the Muppets. Its hair was just crazy,
spiked out, matted, and it had a little beard and
a little mustache, and it ran with the speed of light.
I'll tell you, the thing is so fast. It's faster
than a rat. It's faster than anything I've ever seen before.
And they can go in any space just about. I mean,
these things are I've never seen anything like it. It
was so fast and so hairy. It just looked like
a ball of fur flying through the air. When I
when I when I saw it run finally, and I
don't think it had any intention for me. But then
when I first went there to camp, I had just
a little talk with the area around it and just
spoke out loud like I am here and not here
to harm you. I'm not here to do anything to you.
Please don't harm me. I'm here to protect you. Please
protect me. I won't let anybody else come here to
try and harm you or find you or catch you.
So please just let me stay here in peace. And
if you should need anything like food or water, there
will be here. There will be some here for you always.
I'm always going to share with you, And so I
always left out food and water for it and little treats, candies,
things of that sort. But their favorite was definitely the
resist peanut butter cups.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you right now, Sarah, if
you make a habit out of leaving recey cups laying
around like that, you run a high probability of having
a vicing counter because I can't get enough of those things.
I don't blame those little dudes, I don't.
Speaker 1: It was funny because that wasn't the only thing laying out.
That was the funny thing. I had a whole toe
of like different food items like beef jerky and all
kinds of little snacks and treats, but they chose those
peanut butter cups. That was the funny thing. They probably
ate one and they were like, oh, these are the
bomb that I want, these ones. We weren't gone very long,
but they had eaten almost the whole bag before we
came back. And they didn't bother anything else in the toe.
They just wanted those peanut butter cups.
Speaker 2: Well, I can understand why. Yeah, those things are as
addicting as all get out, I understand. Now you've had
another experience too, with a very unusual couple of creatures.
Tell us about that if you don't mind.
Speaker 1: Well me and both me and my sister have had
encounters with puck wedgies. And what a puck wedge is
is like, it's kind of like a little porcupine man.
It stands up on its hind legs like hod and
walks with like hominid legs, but its body looks like
a hedgehog or a porcupine, and it has a little
like hedgehog face kind of, but with a big, huge
smiling mouth of teeth, sharp teeth. And the one my
sister saw, I believe or not, was wearing a derby hat.
She was up in Oric. She was having a hot
tub at a friend's property, and she the hackles on
her neck started to stand up, and she just felt
everything got silent, like it was in a vacuum. And
she turned to the side to look, and she saw,
she didn't understand what she was saying at first, a
little porcupine looking man with a dirty hat walking along
down the trail beside the hot tub, and it looked
over at her. It hissed, showing its big old mouth
of teeth, and then kept walking with this insidious smile
on its face. And she just sat there and watched
it walk out into the back into the woods, and
then promptly got up and went into the house and
told her boyfriend what she had just seen, and he
explained to her what it was, that there was a puckwadge,
and that he had also seen those. And then I
had also seen a puckwodge right over here in the
Valley West area. Again, there is a group of bushes
and trees and shrubbery that borders the along the highway
to one over here, And we were over here by
this abandoned school, just kind of checking things out at
night and in this small little bush it has made
a little house. Well it's not a small bush, it's
actually a big bush, but it has made a little
house out of the inside of it where it stays.
And I barely could see it, and I said, oh,
there's a puckwadgi in there. And we had gotten pizza
that night, so I tossed it a couple pieces of
pizza because it was kicking an empty tin can. That's
how I knew there was something in there. I could
hear something kicking a little tin can in there, and
I looked in and there was a puck wedgie in there,
kicking a tin can, and it looked like maybe it
was hungry, you know. So I took a couple of
pieces of pizza and I just tossed them in there,
and then I just left it be, because you don't
really want to mess with puck weodgies. They don't trust
humans anymore. We broke our bond with them a long
time ago. We used to be friends with them back
in the old times, like you know, five thousand years ago,
but they don't trust this anymore at all. But after
I fed at the pizza, it was less aggressive because
sometimes it would come around and kick the cans really
heavy and throw stuff around and really make a rucket's
trying to scare us away. But after I fed at
the pizza, it was like it would only come around
and kick the can if it was hungry, so that
was cool. I knew when it was hungry, and I
would just throw at some food and then it would
go on its merry way. But there's a whole family
of puck wedgies that lived back there along and underneath
the highway, and there was some people trying to catch
it and hunt it a while back. But I think
they are like the leper and they just can't be
caught because they can materialize and demateialize into something else,
probably water, since this is a water planet, and water
is alive and well and it has its own thoughts
and beings, and I think it's a living thing water
by itself, and that's why things can turn the water
when they are scared, or when they are they need
to get away from us, because water can move anywhere
it wants with great speed and accuracy, and we can't
capture it like that, you know, we can't just grab it.
It just slows our hands. So I think that's why
some of the beings out here, like the leprochaonn and
Costa Rica, change itself into water to escape.
Speaker 2: You sure have had some amazing experiences, never a dull moment.
And speaking of that, there's one more encounter you had
you haven't shared with us yet.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Okay, So just recently I had that. Okay,
like about four months ago. We got hired on this
job to clear this property for this lady in Neeland
that is having this setting up a doggy daycare exile piece.
She has a couple of acres of property on a
piece of land that hasn't been really cleared and since
in the last two hundred years since they first logged it.
So there was some vergon forest on this property that
had some old growth stump on it that itself looked
like a portal. The bottom of it was open and
the darkness just seemed to absorb all the light within it.
A few feet into this stump, my friend, he's from
Costa Rica, and he started to cut down some of
these little trees and shrubs and like some of these
colts foot were huge, and the berry bushes it would
just looked like at a Jurassic Park. This area for property,
it looked prehistoric. It was amazing, and I felt so
bad having to clear it a path through it because
it just seemed like it was a good place to
hide if you were something like that, and Suan off.
As soon as he started cutting a path through there,
I started seeing things that I had never seen before,
orbs of light and these shadows that were flying around
different shapes. They would move. It was kind of like
if you had something in your eye, but it wasn't
in my eye. It was in the air above it
and above the tree line, in the tree line, all
these different shapes and shadow things and light orbs and
my heart and I just got this overwilming sense of dread, anxiety, sadness, grief.
It just hit me like a wall and I just
started crying. I couldn't stop crying. I couldn't stop sobbing.
I saw I sawed uncontrollably for two days while we
worked on this property, and I just told them I can't,
I can't cut that. I will help you clear it,
but I cannot. And all the conscience cut that these
things are telling me that we shouldn't be doing this.
That they're afraid. They don't want us here. Why are
we doing this? They don't understand. And my friend, he's
from Costal Rica. He's very open minded. He has had
a big footing counter when he was a young boy
and he came face to face with Omah and ever
since then he's been searching out big But you know,
we go squatching every once in a while in this
in deep borest areas. But so he understood what I
was saying. He couldn't see it, and he couldn't feel that,
but he understood that I could and I could see that,
and so he allowed me to just clear the brush
away as he as he cut it, and we left
offerings for that whatever it was. Every time we left
the property from then on out, the like spirits, fruits,
vegetables and nots, little things like that to just you know,
apologize and offer something, you know, in return for having
cut a swathing path through their home, their peaceful, beautiful home.
And on one of the last days we were there,
I was sitting at the bottom of the hill and
I look I felt something watching me, and I heard something,
and I look up the hill and I they see something,
but I don't know what I'm looking at. And then
it starts to move a little bit, and then the
other one starts to move it, and it was the
strangest thing I've ever seen in my life. It was
they were green, the same color of green as the
trees and bushes around it. Their skin was like leaves.
You could see the veins of like leaves, and it
was all green skin. You could see their face, it
had like a human face, a human head. Their hair
was all leaves. It was like leaves coming out, like
like if you had braided leaves in your hair or something.
Their body, the bottom of their body was like a fawn.
It was like a deer bottom of their body. And
they had hands, and they had two sets of ears.
One was a human ear on the side of their head,
and they had another ear on the top of their
head like a deer ear. And they were beautiful. They
were so beautiful. The man had a small beard that
was also leaves, and mustache that was also leaves, and
they were just watching us. I think they were communicating
to each other, but I couldn't tell what they were saying.
Their mouth didn't seem to move very much. And I
couldn't really hear, but I could feel them kind of
just basically like they were like the open seers of
that area, I felt like, and they were just kind
of seeing if we were gonna what we were going
to do next, if we were done, if if we
were hopefully we weren't going to chether. I think they
were just seeing if we were going to come back
with the chainsaw, because I had told them already that
we were not going to use the chain saw anymore,
because they did not like the chan saw. Everything in
there was just freaking out when we had the chansaw out,
and I can understand why, but it was the strangest
thing I've ever seen in my life. These green forest people,
like it reminded me of pan except they were like
they were like half plant, half people, and half fawn.
It was it was just so strange. They had human arms,
human hands that looked like but the bottom half of
them was a deer and the fur on the bottom
half of their body was green. Their their hoods were green,
like a darker green, and their skin, all their chests,
their their breasts, everything it was all green and like
with veined like a leaf. And they they just didn't
watch for a moment, and I asked my friend if
he could see them, and he was looking up and
he was looking and looking and looking. He's like, I'm
not sure what I'm seeing. And then we looked at
each other and we're talking, and then we looked back
up there and they had faded back into the forest.
You could I could barely see him at that point,
and he couldn't see him anymore, but I could. I
could barely see him. They were just aid it back
into the bush like you couldn't. Naked, the regular human
eye could never have known that they were there. They
knew that they could probably sense that there was something
different about the forest, but you could not make them out.
They were so camouflaged. It was amazing. They camouflaged so well.
And I couldn't believe I've seen him. I didn't believe
what I was seeing when I was looking at it.
I didn't want to believe that I was seeing what
I was seeing. But as I was looking at it
and just studying everything about them to tell him what
I was seeing, I just was making all these mental
notes of what the heck was this thing? You know?
And I still I still don't really know what they were,
but there are a definite forest being. I think they
come from a different dimension too, but it might have
been what was throwing the little pebbles at my friend
when he was we whacking.
Speaker 2: Holy cows, Sarah, I don't know how you do it.
How do you have any kind of normalcy in your
life after having all these experiences with these fantastical beings?
Speaker 1: What is normal?
Speaker 2: Good point?
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I'm blessed that I'm able
to communicate or I don't know that they know my
heart so well that they are brave enough to show
themselves to me. I feel very honored and very humble
and to the point of tiers sometimes.
Speaker 2: Well, you're awfully lucky to have these experiences. They've all
been positive. Hope that never changes, I really do. And
you've got a lot of ancient forests there in humblet County,
like you said, so who knows what's running around out there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of these trees are five thousand years old.
We were able to save and secure a small fraction
of the old growth force at Headwaters Grove, So if
people want to come visit, that's a really excellent place
to experience old growth forest up in Headwaters Grove off
of Elk River Road. There you will see five thousand
year old trees and a virgin forest that has not
been touched by man.
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's an amazing place. It really is. Well,
having said that, it's about time for us to get
out of here. But before we do, do you have
any clothes and comments? Who want to put out their forests?
Speaker 1: Oh? Just stay open minded, stay open hearted, look at
things as an opportunity to grow and learn, and don't
be afraid go with fear. Life takes bravery. If something
shows itself to you, clear your mind and just be
in the moment. Don't try to you know, catch it
or you know it's just not They're not showing itself
to you for you to do anything. They just are
wanting you to know they're there, and let's share this
space with them. And if you're coming up here, just
stay on the path.
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, I like the way
you think about a lot of this. Of course, there
are some things about dog men that we don't agree on,
but that's a healthy thing. It's no big deal at
all if we don't agree on everything. So having said that,
I really do hope you never change, because I really
do like the way you think. But having said that,
thanks again so much for coming on. We really do
appreciate your time and hope you have a great night