Speaker 1: Lady and gentleman for feel not on video right before
in line, like you guys ready to do this? And
I guess Dylan reach for something. Okay, but from the
way the camera is looking, you just look like you
walked right off. So I was like, you could have said, hey,
just give us this, just give me a minute, but
you're just gone. I was like, okay, he's he's ready
or not. But I'm mcclown, Prince of Beatles Trash. Now
I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By Hey, I am I had a nickname? What was
the recently diseased Dilmas deceased? I am the bjbjbj taylor
Field vid.
Speaker 1: All that out three times something appeal one of those
big sandworms though instead but uh, yes, they show him
we are here because by time this comes out next week, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice,
the sequel will be out for this film home and yes,
we are doing a retrospective for Gosh, I didn't get
the year. I know it's before eighty nine.
Speaker 2: I think it's eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, eighty eight, it's the year before Batman
eighty nine.
Speaker 2: So I realized I hadn't got my ticket until four
seconds ago. And there's only like three or four seats left,
so I just barely snuck in there for the early one.
So that worked out nicely.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for the next cast. When we talk about
news or whether it's the box office draft, because this
is a movie they'll just build. Juice is apparently just
like tracking super well. Like if you I say, I
think be and Taylor I got the news when we're
waiting in line for I think it was Alien ron
List and it's like supposed to be at least like
minimum do twenty million better than the Flashed It a
couple of years ago, Michael Keaton. And if you had
told me that when those two movies are being produced, like,
oh yeah, Flash has in the bag between the Keen movies,
and I like, I don't know if it's just this franchise.
I don't know if it's also has General Taga, who's
like a hot news star. It's just that it's tracking
I think like a sixty eight, like a really good,
like top ten opening weekend for this year. It's just
like I have my money on that for Beetlejuice. I
really didn't you know, for.
Speaker 3: You, Dylan, you drafted it that is good.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that is great. I mean, I think it
makes a lot of sense because Wednesday was such a
huge show and people want that more Burton or Tega
combo situation, so that makes sense. But then you also, like,
I feel like you're hitting that younger market there, but
then you're also hitting that like nostalgia market as well.
So I think a lot of movies that have come
out recent like Indiana Jones, which didn't do great, like
maybe that was only serving one audience and not like
the younger audience potentially, So something like this I think
makes a lot of sense. It's kind of hitting different
different markets, so that's that's cool. I'm glad to hear
that it's potentially going to do pretty well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, I'd kind of lost faith
because I was like, oh, did do people just not care?
I think you're right with the younger stuff, but I
still even thought with Keenan, I'm like, God, if people
don't care about him because the flash happened, but clearly
they do, but they don't.
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't even really see him in this.
Speaker 1: Role, you know, could be they just like beatle Geist,
you know. So which speaking of seeing I'm gonna throw
to mister Musk because he is one of two people
on this cast. You know, Kirkna was supposed to be here,
but you know, not here. But he's one or two
peel and geekers had not seen Pale Juice. So this movie, yeah,
now what thirty years? God, yeah, over thirty years since
this has come out.
Speaker 2: Now has my Matt approaching?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, that is insane to think about that.
But obviously Tim Burton directed this. This was kind of
in the middle, in the middle or the beginning of
him like really blowing up, because this is before like
Edwards their hands and Batman. I think this is one
of the This is one of those starts where it's like, Okay,
this is who's this guy? And then you got Keaton,
you want a Ryder, you got Catherine O'Hara, you got
Alec Baldwin, Gina Davis, just a very stacked cast of
people of the era. So obviously it's an older movie. Deal.
So how did this uh, how'd this work for you
watching this in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it it eluded me. I
mean I remember growing up watching Adam's family a lot
like that was a family thing, and so I wonder
where the differentiation was between that and this. I, like
I've said many times on Coopers, I was very like
easily frightened child, and I think this looked like a
scary thing, and so I just like had no interest.
But I like, really, the only memory I have is
just like maybe my sister was watching it and I
had like walked through the room or something like that
and it seemed scary or something, so I didn't I
didn't stick around to watch it. So yeah, it's it's
eluded me forever. And I just really liked the trailers
for the new one more when we got into like
the weird zany stuff that seemed really fun to me.
And yeah, I just watched it a couple hours ago,
so I'm pretty fresh on it. And uh, I don't know.
I guess I'm like, I'm I'm not neutral, but like
I liked it, but I didn't. I didn't love it.
There's nothing that I particularly disliked, but I guess I'm
just not super hot on it. I don't think it
was like super funny, although it definitely had like a
few funny moments. I think my favorite part is just
the aesthetic of it, like the combination of the miniature,
the miniature set up the diorama mixed with like the
actual town and then all the crazy the creatures and characters,
and like the visual effects. I think this is like
the perfect amount of like early special effects that actually,
like the jankiness fits perfectly for the movie. I love
that the new one, at least from the trailers, is
like trying to recapture that in a way. I feel
like it's doing a really good job of capturing that
early kind of janky CGI that isn't too refined and polished.
I think that in terms of the stories, like nothing
too special there, but it was good enough. I love
the cast in here. I think it's really fun. Everyone's
really well cast. There's some really fun sequences. So yeah,
it was a good time to come to it. I
don't know what I really expected from it, and I
guess I maybe just expected to like it a little
bit more than I did, but I still had a
decent time. I don't see it as one that I
will be revisiting, though that's like very often. At least
it's not gonna go in my Halloween rotation on the
yearly basis.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, mister Field, where were you the first time
you saw it?
Speaker 3: And then today the first time I saw this movie,
I I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 4: And I don't even think I saw it all the
way through. I think that this is the.
Speaker 3: First time I've actually sat down and committed and actually
watched the entire thing. I think I've had many times
where I've started it, I just haven't finished it. Not
because I've been bored. I think I just have other
things I just kind of pop up and I got
to do. This has never been one that I've been
racing to see, and it's not one that I ever
really watched as a kid. Yeah, I don't know what
really the hang up is, but I've always been familiar
with it. I've always recognized the scenes when I see
them in like memes or random clips here and there.
And the music as well. I've always just like like, oh,
that's a Beatle juice. And I really love the score
in this movie. I there's the main theme is great.
I really really love it. Yeah, And I just think
after watching it now though it's it's not something again,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: I'll add to my Halloween rotation.
Speaker 3: As you put that, Dylan, It's not something I'm gonna
be racing to rewatch anytime soon, but it's one that
I definitely I got a kick out of it. And
I like Michael Keaton a lot in this role. I
feel like he's just fucking balls the walls crazy in this.
And I can't remember what the interview was, but he
was on this talk show and he was talking about
beetlejuice and this this guy.
Speaker 4: Calls him over.
Speaker 3: I can't remember if they were like behind the scenes
somewhere on another film project or whatnot, but they call
Michael Keaton over and like, you gotta look at this,
And they bring Michael Keaton to this guy and he
shows them this huge detailed tattoo. Michael Keaton's say, this
is the most detailed beal juice tatto I've ever seen
in my life. And the guy like flexes his arm
out and he looks over Michael Keaton.
Speaker 4: He says, are you done?
Speaker 3: And he gets up and walks away, and Michael Keaton
starts laughing because the guy had no idea that he
was beeal juice.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: But his character that he delivers in this role just outstanding.
He's crazy. He's zany, he's wonky. When he's like changing
clothes trying to keep the Uh oh, why can't I
remember the family's name.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, not them, ah.
Speaker 1: The Maitland's the dead people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the dead people.
Speaker 3: So they're trying to walk away and call off the deal,
and like Bealg's just changes clothes to look like like
Baldwin's characters.
Speaker 1: Like we're shopping the same story over the.
Speaker 4: Same and he's trying to like.
Speaker 3: Personate them, and uh, there's a lot of inappropriate things
I don't think would we're necessarily fly by, Like when
they're talking and he's like lifting up the girl's skirt
and he's like leaning back and he's being like zany
about it, like, oh, I don't know if it's Saney,
but he's just weird, and he's like hugging Alec Baldwin
but then touching her backside, like a lot of interpropriate
things I wouldn't fly but just his his angriness and
and stuff. I love the character because he's just such
a uncomfortable character, and you get like evil dead effects
thrown in here too, which I can really appreciate because
it's it's uh, weirdly gross and freaky, but it's just
it's just, yeah, it just feels like a Tim Burton
movie at its core, and I really.
Speaker 4: Do like it a lot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So for me, I couldn't really tell you
the first time I've seen it because I feel like
this is one of those movies. I have a handful
of movies that just it's like I was programmed and
they're just like he saw Beetlejuice and that was it.
Like I don't have a distinct memory. I've seen this
too many times account that is a Halloween rotation. Obviously,
I watch it again for this, but I'll probably watch
again come this fall. But this is definitely one of
my favorites in this type of genre, like i'd like
horror comedy because like I would never really call this
a horror movie, but it is in that route where Okay,
we're using ghost we're using dead people, we're using gross
things too for comedica event if anything, I guess I
would call like a comedy horror. I know it sounds stupid,
but I there is almost like a differential between the
two where like Scream, you know it's this ghost face killer,
but there's a lot of you know, pop culture references
or lots of almost tongue in cheek references to movie
making everything like that right where this is comedic in
the Guys of Okay, a spooky ghost type Poltergeist movie.
And no, so I can't remember it, just I know
it's been in my life, my whole life. I think
I probably saw it at a younger age because even
though there are some inappropriate things, which what you're referring to, Taylor,
mikele Kan seems to say in the sequel that they're
not not doing those things in this one because they said, like, well,
beal Juice shouldn't really be a politically correct character. And
I do agree with that, because at the end, the
beal Juice is like the ends up being the villain
of the movie. Right. I think in the sequel he
might work with the heroes a little bit, but I
still don't think he's gonna have redemption art where it's like, oh,
beal Juice is a good guy now, you know. I
think it's gonna be like, well, let's work together, and
then I put the genie back in the bottle again. Right,
So I think for me because I feel like it's
similar to a Shrek situation where if you're a certain age,
you're not gonna get certain references or certain things. You're
just help Beatle Juice is a weird guy or just
even like Lydia Deats's character mentioned suicide multiple times, right,
And I watched it with my kids, and luckily they
don't pick up on that stuff. So that's why I
think probably as a kid that light goosebumps are afraid
of dark's. I'm sure my parents just put this in
the rotation at some point, being like, well, it's even then.
I was watching Chucky Nightmare and Elmstry and stuff like
that as a kid, but at a younger age, I'm
sure just gone in there, and no, I enjoy it.
I think it's like a nice brisk like ninety minutes,
doesn't overstay, it's welcome. I think the plot is like
if you so, I love this movie and enjoyment wise,
I really have no critiques this. I was trying to watch, like, Okay,
how did I think about this as like a reviewer,
because I've never watched Beetle Juice that way, And there
is some stuff with the story. It's like they never
really explain and some people are like, oh, that's why
it's great, But it's like they never really explain like
half the things with Beatle Juice and why he's doing
what he needs to do or the rules of this world.
Why is he doing things like you know, taking tea
set of people's mouth or doing this. But he can't
just snap his fingers just make them go away or die.
There's all these things, like even like with the afterlife,
there's all these rules and regulations, and at one point like, well,
you've got to get those people out of your house,
but like why really, you know, why does it even
matter really if the humans know about you? You know,
they talk about the hand. But but so there is
little strings along the way where it's like they just
kind of throw stuff out there, I think, just to
give you some steaks. But at the end of the day,
it's almost like if you were to add more exposition
and more stuff to that, you might lose some of
the fun of this movie. And I don't really want that.
This is this was like I think it was a
mind f for me because I grew up Austin Keaton
as Batman and that's when he has the mask off,
has the hair I think even to this day, I
know it's Ketan, but it has the effect of like
he Fledger's Joker, and I don't think it's just goes
to white paint. I don't see Michael keat when I
watched this movie. I hear him sometimes, but I just
don't ever put the two and two together. I think
this go around is a little bit different because he
has age. I can see it a bit more. But
with the makeup and the style and like the even
they give him like a body shape to give him
make a bit heavier. I can just take the characters
and parsect them away from each other, and I think
that always helps. And he's just such a fun character.
The writing, the visuals, all the gigs. He's just a
disgusting low life but you just kind of always want
to see him, which is just funny because he's only
in the movie for fourteen minutes and thirty seconds, like
movie's named after him, but he is really not Yeah, yeah,
he's not. And I think the sequel apparently the same way.
Whether he's not that much, and I think that's probably
for the best because I think Beatle Juice like off
so you can make the argument and they Deadpool this year,
big movie, but that's something a little bit different because
that character can be endearing as a good guy. I
think if you have Beatle Juice, who is a post
or heroes in it too much, it could be a
character that greats on you. So it's great and small
doses and yeah, Keiden to do this and then Batman,
like a year apart from each other. Just incredible. Yeah,
the rest of the cast is good. I love alat
of the dark humor. I love a lot of the
subtle humor, just little moments, even if it's like with
the realtor at the beginning of the movie. I'm not
like belly aching laughing. But I have a good time
at this also, And yeah, you guys mentioned the score
is absolutely it just does a good ambience. I remember
the first time, not the first time, but just when
I started to pick up on this stuff and watching
it last night, when they when Adam and oh god,
what's her character's name? Now, I'm forgetting it. I gotta
pull it up here, Genie days. But anyways, when they
go speak to the you know, hand book people, and
they come back to the house and they walk in
and just quiet and you have this kind of creepy
but revelation type of score going on. Barbara, thank you.
It all works and it all sounds similar, but there's
always new stuff going on. And this is in the
nineties when Danny Elfman is like at the height of
his power. Is he He's doing this, He's about to
do Batman, He's about to do Night and before Christmas, Like,
there's so many classics coming up for him. So yeah,
all around, this is definitely one of my Burden favorites.
I don't know, I'd have to think about it. It
might be other than Batman Returns. It might be my
favorite Burden movie, So I take the Batman bias of it. It
might be my favorite. Actually I'm thinking about it because
I'm trying to think of other ones of bird movies
that I really enjoy. But yeah, no, this gets all
high marks for me. So I'm a big fan of Beetlejuice,
and I'm cautiously excited for the sequel because I feel
like the seaquel. Could you never know of these legacy
sequels how much they venture, Like even like Alien Rommels
I think was a good one, but even at times
you go, okay, you did too much. This is a
movie I could see almost doing too much the whole time.
But I really, I really don't know, because I know
there's lots of stuff out there, but other than the future,
as we've talked about for cast, I have tried to
avoid them. So it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about that a little bit,
just because I don't know. I mean, I've talked to
you on for hundreds of hours, probably about movies, and
I feel like I don't really think of you as
a Beetlejuice fan or super fan, and I wonder if
it's just you know, we talk about so many things.
Speaker 1: I can I definitely say super fany thing, But.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I'm kind of I'm maybe more
surprised that you haven't been more looking forward to this
throughout the year and aren't super excited even now, given
that you love it so much.
Speaker 1: I think again, I know he's in a little bit
as bad as it sounds, I'm mostly excited just to
see Keatan again because I just know he can kill it,
and he hasn't lost that. I think it's just because
now we live in age where there's been so many meh
legacy sequels or you know, sequels that take a long time,
like we just talked about a couple of weeks ago,
The Credibles too, right, Like we've all been down that road.
So it's like the thing of I've always wanted a
Beatle Juice too, but at the same time, I know
the risks you can fall down. And also because like
sure he did Wednesday, but it's not like Tim Burns
has been killing it for the last decade. He's had
a lot of like a couple of misses. So that's
where luckily it's like it had its premiere at the
Fenness Film Festival. It's getting good reviews, but I still
need to really sit back and wait because if it's
just a movie that's just doing a bunch of references
and looting an eye winking to the first one, and
even then the same thing that like, what's what does
Beele Juice want this time? You know, I don't need
to be after Jenner or Tay or something like, I
just I don't know. It's because I also just think
of Beetlejuice when I've watched this movie. I want more.
But at the same time it kind of ends in
like a perfect way. There's just even stuff like can
of sequel, how do you bring back out? Like, what
is your excuse for not bringing back Alc Balm and
Geena Davis? They're ghosts, right, How are they not?
Speaker 4: In my spears? Right, They're supposed to still be there, I.
Speaker 1: Know, but so how are they not in this movie?
Speaker 2: And it looks like the dad I don't know if
he's uh, he's dead, really.
Speaker 4: Funeral that they're holding for us. Yes, he's the grampa right.
Speaker 2: Uh, yes, wicked Peter right now. And it does not
say that I say.
Speaker 1: What that he's dead? Not in real life, he's dead
in the movie. They open up with that could that
actor Okay, okay, that actors had a lot of bad
legal issues, Yes, to do with.
Speaker 2: Other age timdy bean. He hasn't been in stuff lately,
so that explains that it was.
Speaker 1: Illegal issues with underaged people. So you get blacklisted very quickly.
So that's yeah, So that's why they killed this character
off and they put that out there very early, like
this character is not coming back. So that was an
unfortunate thing. But that's where it's just like the same
thing when I watched this movie, it's kind of not
I'm not gonna say perfect as an ending. It's just
kind of like perfect is like, yeah, what more do
you do? Like and this is where I have it
in the trivia. But they tried many times, Like in
the nineties they were writing a Beetle Juice goes Hawaiian
and Kevin Smith talked about it, but like they got
a bunch of writers on there to try and crack it,
and they just never could. And I remember Kem Smith
tells a story when they sat him down and he's
working warm bers. They're like, we really want you to
write bele Juice. He's like, didn't they say everything they
kind of need to say with beeal Juice? And I've
kind of taken that approach beal Juice of like I
love beal Juice, but it's like, yeah, what can't other
than seeing Keyden again, It's like, what can you do
with this? That's like a compelling story And that's what
exciting about the sequel but this But I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, do people like this movie because it has
a compelling story. I don't know if that's the case.
I think it's just true these any characters, funny visuals,
kind of a weird setting where there's always like like
there's even like one scene in this where they you know,
they go into the afterlife area they're looking through and
there's like a you open the door, like all the
excise the exercise extra how do you.
Speaker 1: Call exercise exercise semens?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's just like a little passing thing. But
it's like if you want to, like you could dig
into that and that could be interesting and lower thing
you could discover. And I feel like there's a lot
of little breadcrumbs like that to just do anything with them.
Once again, if it's just like a short, lighthearted movie,
doesn't need to be some some crazy plot. But yeah,
I'm not surprised that it hasn't happened until this point,
but I guess I'm attle surprised that they've had so
much trouble getting it off the ground. I suppose I.
Speaker 1: Think you're right with a story that I think maybe
it's more so just like can they for the people
love this kind of reek capture the magic in a sense, right,
because that's a good thing. Like the whole movie. I'd say,
i'd have to look when beal Juice comes in. But
like they frame like there's a lot of mystery in
this movie, right, like when they die. The first act
is in figuring out that they're dead, right, and then
after it's who's Beetlejuice? And then what do we do
with this family? You can do the family thing again,
but you're dead and the Beetlejuice thing, that mystery's gone, right,
Like you can't build up like who's this beetlegeis guy
and what it's especially in this movie, you're gonna have
my own a rider who was alive being to gener
or Taia being like, hey, don't say Beetlejuice because X,
Y and Z happens and it's really bad, you know.
So that's the thing where think's just a magic thing.
But yeah, like again I do love beal Juice. I
don't think i'd have like my top one hundred movies,
but like it's for how it's a movie that is
watched once a year in the household and the kids
really love it too. Now, so right, yeah love it?
What are you? Oh good?
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say it's it's it's funny to think.
Speaker 3: About how the fact that in the eighties eighty eight,
when Michael Keaton did beal Juice and then a year
difference he plays Batman. Jump ahead to where we are
now and he plays Batman again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then your difference he plays Beal Juice.
Speaker 1: It's just it's how did it all work out? And
what does he do next? I'm trying to think he
plays mister mom again or a duplicity, you know, That's
what I was gonna ask you. How do you feel
because I feel like we've talked about this before where
I feel just ket in general is like a blind
spot in your like I feel like all the movies
you had seen in your like other like what are
the like? I feel like we talked about during Homecoming
time because when he was the Vulture villain and it
was like for us that have grew with Beal Juice
and Batman's like, oh this is really cool. But like obviously,
like I feel like I'm not go I don't think
you're gonna come with some hot take being like, oh,
he's awful in this movie, but what do you think
about in this movie from what you've seen him in
the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to I mean, Birdman comes to like growing.
Speaker 1: Up, like, what are you another Guys fan with.
Speaker 2: A thing called tenacious d Time Fixers a music video.
He's into Tenacious D music video.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 2: I have to go check that out.
Speaker 1: Were you another guy's fan with Will Ferrell Mark Walburn?
That like cop comedy.
Speaker 2: He's the captain and that, Yeah he's a captain.
Speaker 1: You know he's in.
Speaker 2: Well, Jackie Brown, I would have seen recently. I don't
even remember him being in Jackie Brown.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that either.
Speaker 2: We gotta reretro that one. Yeah, so yeah, I mean
I guess I know.
Speaker 1: I remember b I checked. I thought you said Jackie
Moon like the I did not say Jackie Maine. I
thought you meant the Will What was that Wilfare basketball movie?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it might be familiar.
Speaker 1: Semi pro. Yeah that's what I thought. Yeah, I remember
jack But now I thought you said semi pro like
he's in that movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So I don't know if I really have
a lot of touchdowns to him in like a nostalgic way.
I guess. But yeah, I mean I think I think
he's very fun. I like the eccentric noss of it.
I think this movie is really I don't know, it's
really going for like the random humor, which is always
like okay, like is this funny or is it just
so random that your mind just kind of spaghettifies at
some certain point. So I do think he's really fun.
I like the visual forum, as Taylor said, like the
sexual harassment stuff of it like doesn't add anything to
this movie. It's just like, Okay, we're really doing that.
Like even it's gross and interesting what you said about
the father character, because I even noticed in this movie
like spanksman on a rioter's ass like at some point,
which is like extra extra disgusting thinking about everything naturally.
Speaker 1: Well, between that and like did you ever have you
ever seen Ferris Bueller a day off or whatever?
Speaker 2: I have seen that at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he plays the principal that's after Ferris Bueller
the whole time. So it's just certain things like oh man,
this really sucks, like the framing of it all, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. It's interesting, as you mentioned there,
the run time and how or his screen time rather
relative to runtime. It is cool and I think it's
it'll be interesting to see, yuh what they do with
that with the sequel, because obviously it's a big part
of why people would want to go, And I think
there's a lot of people who maybe haven't rewatched the
movie in a long time, who will probably in their
brain change that ratio and think, oh, he was intot
a bunch and that's what the movie is all about him, right, Yeah,
maybe like him and wenonas who they think of or something.
Then it's like, oh, Alec Baldman, it's really Alec Baldwman,
Geen and Davis's story.
Speaker 1: And then i'd say went on rights like the third lead,
you know, like before them.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious how people will feel with that if
they haven't rewatched it recently and kind of gotten reminded
of that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And the Beatle Juice, the Beatles, I don't know with
the there drop of the Beele just Beetle Juice. The
Runhouse an hour forty four, so it's about ten minutes
more so not which I feel like Warrens when you're
krying to bring back some my classic characters. So I
think that'll that doesn't seem like, oh my god, like
if you have Beele Juice in it for this amount
of time, like it's the same if it was a
two hour movie, then be like, well you might need
to have some more juice in there, you know, but.
Speaker 2: A little more juice beetlejuice. But no, I think he's
a fun character. Born. Yeah, it's a very crazy Zany
role for sure. So I don't know, I I I
really enjoyed him for the most part.
Speaker 1: Do you imagine Dylan? Why So back in the day
when he was cast, it was because of this and
other things. People legitimately wrote letters to Warner Brothers saying
why he was like the most awful pick for Batman?
Could you have seen that? Where like to take some
of the whiplash of people go see him Beetlejuice and
he did like some other comedies and stuff, and then
like it is for me. I think nowadays it's different
because we tell about actors range, but it is I
think about like you see this and then someone goes, oh,
that's the guy's gonna be Batman, you know, like the
guy that beats up criminals and everything like that. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, people are dumb a lot of times,
so it doesn't surprise me. But I mean I feel
like if anyone back in the day had seen him
in any other movie and then this, then hopefully they
would have the you know, neurons to be like, oh yeah,
that's there's some range there. You can do other stuff too,
But yeah, even like with people shitting on, like Robert
Pattison as Batman before you had that, and I mean
some people maybe still don't like that, that rendition, but
you know, people get things in their mind, like whatever
an actor's most popular movie is, obviously that's gonna stick
in a lot more people's minds naturally, So a lot
of people think it's Twilight when they think of Robert Pattison.
But he's a great actor who's done a million other
things too, So I'm sure Michael Keaton's the same thing.
I can't think if they were, just because I don't
know him very well. Is his act in history? If
was there a movie that you would I guess you
wouldn't have seen anything before that Batman had existed. But
I don't know, going back and early, is there anything
that like seems Batman esque?
Speaker 1: And there was like, no, he's all doing this type,
but he was all doing comedic stuff like throw Mom
off a train with Dan and Vito, where they like
make a they make as one of my favorite comedies.
They make a deal I've seen that movie.
Speaker 2: Actually weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they make a deal to like kill one kill
each other's mom, and then they either kill each other's girlfriends.
Speaker 2: Like you definitely seen that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that movie. I learned the other day
that Dani Filogat nominated for an Oscar for that movie,
which is crazy. But well, I'm waiting one one year,
we're gonna find an excuse to make Dylan have to
watch Keen's Batman because it's still you've not you've actually
not seen any of those classic Batmans with Kilmore or Clooney.
Speaker 2: Because we're still Adam West.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one day every ten years, we'll make
them see one that will come to there. So w
And you know, I think you're more in the keyten
path where you grew up with him quite a bit.
You know.
Speaker 3: If I had to pinpoint my first movie that I
ever experienced him with, it, I want to say probably Batman,
but I wouldn't I wouldn't guarantee it.
Speaker 4: I feel like though him being kind of like.
Speaker 3: A more prominent actor than familiar with growing up is
pretty accurate though. I mean, I feel like I was
just inclined to his movie, especially when I got older
like the other guys like doncal Chase and Waterfalls. Like
you already said, there's just yeah, there's just certain roles
that he just pops off in that.
Speaker 4: I really do, like, have.
Speaker 1: You seen Birdman? I wouldn't think no, No.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen Birdman. But what else has he been in?
Speaker 3: Michael our RoboCop? I forgot Michael Keaton isn't there? Right,
That's one that I have not revisited. Jack Frost is
a classic.
Speaker 4: I usually watch that.
Speaker 1: Christ do you know what that movie is?
Speaker 2: I deeply just told you for that that would definitely
be my touchdown as a kid that was watching every year.
Speaker 1: Kind of magic Harmonica brings your dad back because.
Speaker 2: The singer and the Keaton guy after all, who knows?
It seems like.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize he was in the Minyon's movie. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays just a voice. Yeah cars as well. Wow,
I don't know about that. That's sounds made up anything
else but keeno, you want to go somewhere else? Taylor
in this retro.
Speaker 3: I think I already highlighted pretty much his character. Like
I said, he's just he doesn't feel like Keaton. I
guess you said that too, like you can see him
playing a batman, but when you look at him in
this role, like you can hear it in his voice,
but he's you don't feel like he is Michael Keaton.
And I stand by what you said with that. I
think that's a pretty good coverage. But moving on from
uh beadle Juice. So who else do we want to
talk about here? What is the mum's name from home alone?
Speaker 4: I feel about it.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, Ohara, Well, I'm not sure. In
the movie, it's want something deeds. I can't remember. Obviously,
I'll get it.
Speaker 3: Her character I just get a kick out of I
like that the family dynamic was that they had to
get scared of the home, but when they found out that,
they were like singing and dancing at the dinner table
and like the shrimp hands grab them.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: And it just turns out like you know what, they're
just trying to market this now and they're they're all
for it. And I like how ultimately it ends with
the movie with them just being happy and just content, like, yeah,
we got the ghosts here, that's it. But the whole
theme of them just trying to turn around and her artwork,
just as Tim Burton styled. But she's just she's a
funny character. I like her dynamic and the story. I
like her dynamic with Panana Rider, and I'm really happy
she is back for the next one. I think to
actually see beal juice in her engaging more in dialogue
is gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: So I think that's I think it's a good call.
She has a funny character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great. I've not watched it's creak. I've just
seen highlights and I hear great things about it, and.
Speaker 2: I'm dropping like one gift per day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, because I only I think has watched
it three times, so I probably will on this next
time off I have, but uh yeah, between this and
then even just home alone in that era, and she's
always popped a bunchet stuff. But she has great comedic
timing and she has like a I think she plays
like the classic kind of stuck up almost like a
stuck up bitch in a sense, but she still gives
enough shades to make her seem like a like a
regular human and not completely a dirt bag. You know,
it seems like she might have She's pretty self warrented,
but especially I think near the end, you know, I
think they do a good wrinkle of making sure you
know that she's the step mom. And especially I like
in the nineties that had such a bad contentation where
I feel like nowadays not as bad, like I feel
like not. I feel like there's only millions of people
that have to for like, I come from a divorce
house where I have Christmas with my dad, my stepmom,
and my mom all together, Like it's never ever been
an issue of like being all together. But in the
nineties they felt like if it's a step parent, you knew,
oh that's a bad thing because they don't love the
kid or whatever. They don't have a good relationship there,
And maybe that's something not that I need, like a
deep scene. I think maybe in the movie I had
always like a little bit more with her and Lydia
because they just they make that comment, and I feel
like they never take two witch one on one time together.
So I would have liked to dive a little more
into that. Which is good with them being back, because
with that father character being away, it is now just
them two together with the granddaughter, so they might get
into that in this movie because I think there's fun
things to play with the multiple generations there. But uh yeah,
she's she's great. And even the guy plays Ortho or whatever.
I think it's Ortho.
Speaker 2: Orlo or not Auto.
Speaker 1: No, it's not Auto, know, but he's just a fun
side character, like breaking through the window of like, oh,
you won't go through the door the first time because
it's bad luck as the dead people. So that's a
good little moments with their little fashion grew in them,
and that for me is also just a really good
shot set piece of them going through the house and
spraying stuff. Just the framing of things like when Geena
Daves is coming down the stairs and it's just like
the measuring tape comes in a frame. It's like ah,
and just the closet, like there're that whole sequence of
going up and down. It's just a little thing, but
it's it's shot very well.
Speaker 4: So m hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love Katherine Mahara in this. It's it's funny
watching this now, and I feel like there are some
roots here that lead to like her Shit's Creek character
in terms of like that's some of the ways she's
pulling off and just being a very like high class
individual always wearing these very extravagant outfits of that sort
of stuff. And h yeah, as you mentioned, Taylor, that
dinner scene is definitely one of the highlights in here
for me, one of one of my favorite sequences, just
because of the zaniness of it, but also just like
the ride, all the characters are going going on where
they're like freaked out but they start to enjoy it.
I think is a very fun dynamic. And yeah, apparently
there's like a Beatlejuice musical like a sequence like that,
Like I would love to see what that on stage
musical version would be like, because that would like sequences
like that are just made for like a theatric situation.
So uh yeah, I think I think she's really fun
and I hope she gets a I don't think she will,
but I hope it gets like a slightly bigger role
or like a little bit more to do, like maybe
a little bit more variety in her in the role
in the new one. I'm not, like I said, I'm
not holding out because I think it's gonna be mostly
about Winona and Jenna Ortega, but hopefully she does have
some good content in there and isn't just like there
at the beginning to set it up as like a
continuation of this thing from thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, about miss ryan Or were you talking about her?
You know, she plays Letia. Dat's the classic kind of
I'd say it's a lot of stereotype in the nineties
as the goth person who's obsessed with death than darkness,
and that once they see the real thing, maybe they're
a little scared of it and stuff and looking for
some because even though her biological father is there, she
didn't really have a close relationship with anybody in the household,
and she kind of is more akin to these people,
which is kind of good too, because they mentioned that
the I don't think they fully mentioned, but they kind
of almost allude to that they are having troubles having
a child, so they kind of, you know, adopt this
child near the end of like a teenage everything. So
what do you think about miss Ryder here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think in terms of her acting career,
like what was the order of the kind of bigger
things that she was in. Would this have been? Like
this is pretty early on. This is her third movie
that she ever did, So that's.
Speaker 1: Really what came before though, I think there's something.
Speaker 2: Lucas, which I've never heard of those movies.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess not. No, it was after, because
so I think this was definitely big for the one
after this would have been Heathers had there was a
very big, like teen sort of thing and then a
year so oh is it good? Really? Oh yeah, she
had three movies in nineteen eight, so she just blew
up entirely of Beetlejuice, Heather's never seen nineteen sixty nine,
there's that, and then I know there was like Little
Women comes up. That's big for her, and the Dracula, yes,
and Mermaids was big for because I was a movie
cher when Edward says her hands, but yeah, I'd say
that was probably just the year of nineteen eighty eight
was just the kickoff of who is this girl? Because
even when I'm a ryder, she's the star of that.
And uh yeah, she definitely and she definitely was the
eight girl for a while. I think that as I
watched this movie and I watch like stuff now, I
think she's always just been like a like a decent actress,
you know, I because I.
Speaker 2: Felt like criticism comes down, yeah, like make sence I
was an actress.
Speaker 1: I think when there had been so much time passed
and stranger things came out and she'd kind of taken
not a break from acting, but wasn't acting as much,
and she was in that show and then oh, yeah,
she's good, but she's not like as good as she
used to be. And then I think just between we
did this we did Alien four. I think I like
her because I think why I wrote Rider became big.
She has like a quality that other people don't like.
It could be called equality, but there's just something there
where you can't train it. But there's some scenes there.
There are just whether it's this or or other projects
in the past I've seen recently were a little dry.
But like I said, hy no one is always enjoyable
in this. But you know, fun enough character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know how old she is here
as well, but like pretty young. And I feel like
we've talked about that a lot. How back then, you know,
child actors were not of the highest caliber. But yeah,
this it's fun for because this character, above all else,
even more than the character of Beatle Juice, feels the
most Tim Burton esque right in terms of that goth
aesthetic and talking about dead all the time. But yeah,
I think she's a really fun character. I think she
does a good job here, Like even just like she
just seems like she's having a lot of fun like part,
particularly in the just the ending sequence when she's you know,
strung up by the wires there and just floating and
singing like that, just seems like she's having a grand
old time. So yeah, once again another character that I
thought would be like, she has quite a lot more
screen time than Beetlejuice I would expect. I don't have
the number in front of me, but even then, I
I just assume that her and Beetlejuice were like the
stars or like the main characters here. But she's even
in it a lot less than I was expecting, because
even like in the first few scenes of her, she's
really not doing much. She's kind of just like spying
on the main characters. So there's like a scene happening,
and then every once in a while there's like a
quick shot of like her, you know, peeking through the
door kind of thing, so it becomes it's also a
while before she gets like woven into the story in
a good way. But then she kind of becomes the
star at the end, kind of saves the day, right,
And yeah, I'm curious to see what her role is
going to be in this in this new one once again,
like how much how much she'll be in it?
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she it says in nineteen eight eight she
was seventeen, but I would assume when she filmed this
she was probably close to sixteen.
Speaker 2: So it looked quite I mean, I'm very better like
telling age when I look at people, but she seemed
younger than that to me. But yeah, she just has
that kind of face. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So she was coming just out of high school then
pretty much with this movie. So, like I said, good
agent her got her in some stuff there, you know.
Speaker 2: So definitely.
Speaker 4: I think that her character was just.
Speaker 3: She was interesting because you have like two very different
parent figures and then her character just being the complete
maybe a little bit from her mom in certain aspects,
but just she's just her own kind of thing, and
her perspective just completely changes because she walks into the
seam and she's playing this like woe's me, Like life
is mediocre, just walking through the house taking photos.
Speaker 1: What Taylor does you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I do.
Speaker 3: And then as soon as she finds out that there's
the ghosts, which is another interesting thing too, because no
one can see them, and yet she is the one
who has this ability to see them, which are I like,
and then she just completely lightens up. It's funny because
you think that it would be the opposite of that
she encounters the dead and she can see the dead,
but it actually is what's really giving her life and
making her feel more fulfilled in her life, which is
a cool kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Especially because they're just like regular people. It's like anyone
would be freaked out if just two strangers were in
their house, but like it's almost like the mediocrity of
like this ghost It just is a disarming thing to her,
I guess.
Speaker 3: And that's like she wanted to know if they were
like ugly, and that's what she expected. Right when she's
trying to pull her blankets off, which I love that
whole scene when she's like banging on the wall and.
Speaker 4: The Maitland's like, woo, I'm a kid child, Yeah, but yeah,
I thought that was clever.
Speaker 3: When she's taking the fucking bazillion photos and she notices
that there's no feet in the photos, but yeah, I
like that she can see them, and I like that
she kind of gets wrapped into this whole mischievous thing
with Beal Juice, where it's just this whole plot is like, Okay,
she needs to become his wife, and I don't fully
understand how that works, but he just they breathed past it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's probably someone before where he goes. She
asked why and he's like, oh, I don't make the rules.
So it's like the most it's the most easiest way
to get out of as a writer, just like, well,
there are rules, but Beale Juice isn't gonna explain them
to you. Like why would a ghost marrying? Like I
don't know if it's supposed to be kind of like
how back in the day, if you weren't from a
country and you came here and married someone in Canada,
you could stay in Canada? Is that how it works
in the dead world of Beale Just like marry as
a person that's living, he can become a living person again,
you know. And like even then, like why does he
want to what is he like? Andy? When he's like
it's all fun stuff, but he's likek at the newspapers.
I need a job, Like what are they paying him?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What does he like? What is pal? Just what it's
his income in this world? Like there's little stuff and
then you know it's so fun. I don't need those answers,
but it is just they breathe past a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was serious about that comment, to
be fair.
Speaker 3: That's the hard thing to decipher, is what is he
serious about? Because he even then when he's trying to
find the ring to give to a rider, he pulls
out this woman's finger with a ring and says, I'll
treat you better than her, Like she means nothing to me.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, were you married before? Well he does
say that, he said, I promise I'd never get married again.
Something like that.
Speaker 1: He does, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they've confirmed Beal
Juice that he has been the sequel. He has been
married before. I think that plays some bit into it.
So yeah, no, And that's what I was gonna say.
For things that I do like though, I love the
model set piece town when they're there with Beatle Juice.
I love that they took because they easily could have
just made it grass again or make it look a
little different. I love that it's that very like plastic
looking like syrofoam almost glass. I love the proportions and everything.
I just love just everything about it. And it's not
like a big set. You can tell they found a
lot in fashion around it. They don't move around a bunch.
Well of course they add like the dead leg I
can't remember her name, but they add like a prostitute
house just to keep Beetle Juice busy for a bit,
which like I enjoy that because like, yeah, like that's
like what such a piece of shit Beetlejuice is, Like
he literally has a plan, but he is such an
idiot that they put this this house here, and that
like that takes his attention off his goal.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like oh yeah, because like he is like hey,
he's a mischievous character and he's a clever character at point,
but they also portray him as like an idiot, right,
and that's what kind of works where I did they
just put this house here and that's that, you know,
But everything to do with that thing. I love when
the TV comes up and he has like the fake
TV ad and the Beetlegeist and everything, like everything to
do with that little model town area. I'm I'm a
big fan of when they're they're big people and they're
talking to Beetlejuice. He's like a little toy, but they
show him. So I love all that set design there.
M M. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I even the opening shot I found very compelling because
so I feel like so many movies these days just
start with like drone shots of cities and country roads,
and so to have that in like a kind of
uncanny way because it's these what seems like a drone
shot but of this little model city that for the
first like few scenes, I'm like, is this actually like
a helicopter shot? Like what is going on? Because it
looks very life like, And then you see a couple
like you know, people standy or we mean type things,
and it's like, Okay, this is this is not real anymore.
But yeah, I really like I like how much it
was used, and it's obviously coming back in some way
for the the sequel as well. It still is there,
so I really like it. I think one thing too,
this this movie is just like really good lighting. I
think it adds so much to the weird creations for
all the creatures, but just like the way that the
little town miniature would light up. And I'm sure that
it wasn't always how they were actually lighting the scene,
but they made it seem like that's how it was
lighting it when the uh, the lady, the assistant whoever.
Is like when when they first go to the afterlife
waiting room, they have the attendant, she's helping them, and
like midway through that conversation, just like some of the
lights start popping up and it's highlighting their face as
it goes to this conversation. I just thought it was
really creative and made these scenes like even more lively.
So yeah, I really really like that set piece. I'm
glad it's it's coming back.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, because any other set pieces or scenes
or moments you want to shut out.
Speaker 3: I mean i'd piggyback on just the set pieces like
you guys said, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple other ones for me, like the the
whole marriage sequence is so fun, like even just starting
back with othos authos, like ritual that he's doing and
like their their faces just like the life sucking out
of them. I think that whole scenes is really fun,
and just like get into the marriage sequence and how
zany and like Tom and Jerry, that sequence is uh
when Barbara's like trying to say his name, gets the
zipper thrown at her mouth, unzips it, and then gets
like the little metal uh covering grown.
Speaker 1: On the creative fun yeah stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's as you're saying, like, he he's
way more powerful than this, He like could stop them,
but he's just such a playful and maybe idiot. He's
a playful idiot and that's why he chooses to go
with these like much more creative ways of doing things.
So uh yeah, I think that's a that's definitely one
of the one of the highlights for me. And then
also I really I mean just in general, like the
whole Afterlife waiting room, like that whole sequence is so
much fun and it's funny. When I was watching that,
I was just thinking of, you know, one of my
favorite Halloween movies growing up that me and my sister
would watch all the time was Halloween Town. Yeah, just
like this movie is so like Halloween Town is so
inspired by Field Juice.
Speaker 1: It's the kid version for sure, Yeah, which yeah.
Speaker 2: I never would have known before. Even just like the
way the weird deformed monsters in Halloween Town look just
like Beatle Juice creations. The music in Halloween Town, like
the theme of that is is so close to the
Beatlejuice theme as well. Uh so all that that whole
sequence is so fun. And the office it's a lot
more dark. Like I love that one of the people
in the waiting room is just this smoker and like
his whole body is just like a destroyed lung. It's
so gross.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to cut back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny. The guy in just like the
sleeping bag with the snake popping out in his face,
like his hairs all popping out like mar from Home alone.
Just everyone in there is so fun and like they
just the little storytelling of how they died based on
their look. The shrunken head guy, which obviously just like
one hundred of those in the in the sequel, it
looks like at some point. So I I just that
sequence is so playful and so silly. I really liked it,
And I love that their attendant is just like an
old lady who died of old age. Presumably.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, well I don't was it that or
see I always took it.
Speaker 3: Like case worker was the old lady, right, that's what
I mean that character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how he took it she died from lung
cancer because she has that like slit in her throat.
Speaker 2: Okay, well yeah, I guess she feel like that guy
who died of lung cancer was like that smoking guy. Hmm.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to wonder why because she's always smoked people.
Speaker 2: It seems like you become an exaggerated version of how
you died. Obviously that hasn't happened yet for the protagonist characters.
Or maybe it just hasn't happened yet for her, Maybe
she just died or something. I'm not the.
Speaker 1: Real reason was, like, yes, they tinker at the idea
of them always having the effects, but Burton just decided
he didn't want the actors wet all the time because
he thought they would just hate it. And I think
that's probably the right move. Like it doesn't make sense
because like they should be that way all the time,
But I could see many top actors turning.
Speaker 2: Oybe he died on the impact rather than the drown
yeah something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it seems that she would have died from
lung cancer before she went to another world. But she
has a civil servant, so she most likely slit her
own throat.
Speaker 4: I don't know how that makes sense, but okay.
Speaker 1: Because she has that's what I always saw it was
because she has thrown sometimes smokes me out and that okay,
that's what they're trying to lose, like lung cancer or whatnot,
because it is that did that fire guy did he
die of lung cancer or was it something else?
Speaker 2: So wait? Is she is her role in is she's
a civil servant? Is that what they're saying? What you're saying?
Because that because that's one of the I mean that, like,
how would any of these characters know? But I think
it's the dad someone says that he's joking at like
anyone who kills themselves will become a civil servant in
the app?
Speaker 1: Which does happen? Right? Because that the I don't know
the what is it called secretary?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: The person of the desk is like, oh, if I
knew what this life would have been, I would have
my relaxed. And she shows her wrists and they're slit right,
so I think all and again, well that's another one too,
is the people the guy that's dropping off papers at
one point they show he has like he's hung himself
and that's how he's moving around. Yeah, they drop stuff
and even that guy that's switched by the car, he
could have just ran in front of car. Man. I've
never thought about this, like I call that line, but
I didn't think about every single person that's working there
has I would presume taking their life in one way
or another.
Speaker 2: Everyone is working.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that dentual kind of right now, Well, he
doesn't work there though he used to.
Speaker 4: Though ifmember he was juno secretary or what a.
Speaker 1: Terrible I guess system, he maybe.
Speaker 2: Electrocuted himself and that's how he killed himself or.
Speaker 1: Some Yeah he could have been. Yeah. So yeah, I'm
interested because I think they're supposed to get into some
of his origin stuff in the sequel here, which is
always like that's like a that stuff where it to
seque's where it's like, oh that's a that's a risky it.
Speaker 2: Maybe feels a little penny wise, like where it's like
every thirty years he comes back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, we got to.
Speaker 2: Go back to the source to figure out to kill
him for good.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting wrinkle that I never really put
tune together, he learned stuff all time. So we do
these retros and reviews.
Speaker 3: The thing that I feel like does not age very
well is the football team with m all dead.
Speaker 4: And I feel like I feel.
Speaker 3: Like that's something at least more in recent years has
happened where bus accidents, yeah, and unfortunate results.
Speaker 4: That come from that.
Speaker 3: So I get just watching in retrospect, I was just
seeing that, I thought, yeah, I don't think this.
Speaker 4: Aged very well because it seems to happen a.
Speaker 2: Lot these see. To me, that's that's funny, whereas like
joking about someone killing themselves, like that's more serious. I
don't have a problem with it. But yeah, I don't know.
For some reason, a football team dying in a buzzize
like comes across as funny in this movie.
Speaker 1: For me, it's tough because, like, I think it's a tough.
Speaker 2: Dancing sequence at the end on the stairs too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a top five line from this movie.
When they're in there, they're talking to her and she
shushes out and they come back and the guy goes,
you know, coach, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think we made it, but their coach lived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, oh really, how did you get that yeah,
and then she he says coach and she's like, no, no,
you died. He survived And I can't remember. I think
she was in a bunch. She's like another hor anthology
movie i'd watch. It might be cats Eye, but the
actress that plays they're like character here, fuck just so good.
Like she's in here, same thing as beel Juice for
like what a few couple of scenes, but she just
gives that dead end, tired of her job, tired of
dealing with these people and ghosts and dead things. Like,
she just gives it off so well. It's like she's
such a minor character, but it's her comedic timing she
has with everybody, like even our main characters see, like
we don't talk much about Like I like them both.
I think they gave us enough time in the beginning.
I think they were smart that at the very beginning
they just show them just completely in love. They're kissing,
one tries to leave, they pull each other, kiss back,
one tries to leave again, they pull like they're very cuddly,
like when they're walking at the because Emily even jokes'
like I've never had that much energy. It's like, oh,
well you know that's the point of this, because even
then they're making these jokes about how, oh, we could
just stay here forever the point of the vacation. And then,
you know, even when they die and she says, oh,
we're gonna be stuck here forever and then alcohol and
looks up, he smiles and he's like, oh, it sounds
like heaven. It's like they do a good job before
the deeds show up to show that. Okay, of course
it sucks that they died, but there's still a or.
These two are so in love that what a way
to go out. And even her biggest issue is oh
there's dust. You know, it's not even like oh we
can't do this this or that. It's like it's an issue,
and that's another character.
Speaker 3: Cha.
Speaker 1: I love the realtor. I love just how push she is.
I love that moment when she talks to Geena Davis
and when it's in the basement, Wall opens that window
and he gets that jump scared. She's like, hey, so
I again, just a little minor characters in here. I
really enjoy so.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, yeah. I think the protagonists do a good job.
And once again, especially because I didn't really expect them
as characters in this movie at all, Like it was
kind of surprising, but I think they do a really
good job of carrying it along. I think the kind
of like I guess it is the plot, but it's
just such an underwhelming plot of them just trying to
defend their home in like this very like silly way
with this really rich families coming in and making all
these crazy changes and painting on the walls and you
know they don't want them to get in the attic
and stuff. I think that's a very fun just kind
of recurring like there's a lot of jokes made around
that concequence with the whole kind of movie results, around
why they go to beatleers in the first place. It's
kind of the plot device in that sense too, but
I think it is. I think it is a fun uh,
I don't know, a fun set up. It's pretty simple,
and it's interesting that they aren't coming back. I mean,
I don't know, because I was just looking at Alec
Baldwin's IMDb and he's like nine upcoming movies, so clearly
he's going hand doing stuff. I know there was well
there kind of is or was that controversy and I don't.
I don't know what Geena Davis is up to these
days or anything. I'm sure if she's been canceled to
like other people.
Speaker 1: No, No, I think she's fat. I just yeah, I
wonder with them, how they if they find a way
just to say that. I imagine they're gonna say they
just passed on or something they found.
Speaker 2: You need both like that, you wouldn't bring one of
them back, so, because then you came down to and.
Speaker 1: Then you run into that thing, like you know, a
certain movie we just reviewed, where you're gonna you're gonna
have to do the d aging right and you're gonna
have to like is it gonna be that thing where
they look funny and it's off putting and you may
just may as well not do it, you know. So it's, uh,
it'll be interesting to see if they even mentioned them,
you know so. But it is an odd thing when
it's like, well, you got ghosts and they've decided to
live with each other, and it's like, well the ghosts
are but maybe that's it, like I said, maybe they
just they were at peace and finally have to pass on.
I guess, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like the sequence when they are first
initially trying to scare the family, and they have their
sheets and they called them, think of them as death shrouds.
I really like that line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but just.
Speaker 2: Going around making like these just wallowey noises, and Lydia
thinks it's her mom being dramatic. Mom thinks it's the
TV turns it off, like they just can't get Yeah,
I just love it. And then and then they go
like way off the deep end. They figure out how
to do all this crazy ghost magic, make the craziest scene,
and then it ends up being something that the family
really likes, so that that hole just they just can't
get it right. Sequences is very fun.
Speaker 1: I feel like because I was looking at Michael Keaton's
filmography again and I don't. I don't. Maybe you guys
would have known, do you know, Michael keen wasn't the
Need for Speed movie.
Speaker 4: I never seen it.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know there was a movie. I thought
when I was scrolling through. Is that having to be?
I assume maybe it was just a game that he's
a voice in or something.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, Aaron Paul's the star of that. Yeah,
I'm the few video game movies that view we.
Speaker 2: Might put that in one of our video game movie.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting that. We got a lot of better
ones to get through.
Speaker 2: Before Michael Keaton's in it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We had to do Mario, we had
to do we still. Yeah, we had to do Moral Kombat,
which we did do. That was a vote. I didn't
choose for Supersia. Yeah, we had to because the patrons
chose it. But you know, maybe next film Ratrol will
have the patrons. We'll try and get them. Do need
for Speed? So anything else specifically about this movie before
I get into trivia?
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Field, Nope, nope, all right. The studio originally wanted to
call the film house Ghosts, but as a joke, Tim
Burn suggested the name be called Scared Sheetless, and it
was horrified when the studio was actually considering it. So
there's a lesson. Don't joke with the studio because it
might be like, oh I like that, you know, so crazy?
Oh God. Director Tim Burn for the day sequence wouldn't
go over well. In his opinion, it was very It
wasn't very funny. Burton turned out to be wrong. Our
audience loved and think it's the most iconic scene of
the film, which I agree with as far as like
when they get possessed in the day and everything like that.
I think other than like Michael Keaton talking and even
at the end he does a hit showtime, you know,
like I think there's little moments with him, but that
I think is the sequence, and that's the song I
still think of. Then you got rid of that. This
was the first DVD sent out by Netflix in nineteen
ninety eight, so look at that. That's a fun fact.
Speaker 2: That is a whole freaking crazy ninety.
Speaker 1: Eight ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Holy f that's insane.
Speaker 1: It's weird when you try to think of stuff that
like really started at certain times. It's the same thing
when them we talk about Twitter and you go back
you look at when it started. But yeah, Netflix nineteen
ninet eight. I guess was I got DVD rental at
the time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, back when they shipped your house.
Speaker 1: And I think they just stopped doing that like last
year or something. They were still doing it for some things,
so you could do that. Yeah, Michael Keaton ablet ninety
of his lines. Michael Keaton claims this is his favorite
film so of his own, not just like not just
some general he's not like that egotistical, like what's what's
your favorite movie? Michael, Oh, it's just gotta be Beatle Juice.
You know, I love that.
Speaker 2: But I wonder, I wonder how that process went, Like
was there must have been a script where he had
lines in there or was it just I don't I
don't know how that works.
Speaker 1: Even I think they had lines, and then I think
it's just that they changed all those lines or they're
just like you do how you want to, and then
it just didn't match up with because I get I
bet a bunch of that stuff, like when Taylor talk
about when he turns into him, like obviously you have
to pre write that, but just the stuff like keyten
feels at times like again, I don't want to make
their phone comparison, but it feels like Reynold's in Deadpool
when he gets on a run and he's just going,
you can tell, okay, this is just from Renald's mind.
That's Keaton. Sometimes, like when he's just yelling at them,
it's like I can believe half the diablete because it
just feels like very personal to him.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I wonder if even like in the casting process,
if I mean, I don't know if Tim Burton would
be in the room where I would be like the
casting director, probably both. I wonder if it would be like, Okay,
we found the person who matches what we're looking for,
or is more that Keaton did something so weird and
interesting that they're like, Okay, pick that guy. Yeah, put
him in here, because he's got something. And that's where
the ad libon would come from. Just give him some
more of that creative freedom.
Speaker 1: Well mostly came early because my looking came up with
much of the characters. Look himself. Keen told the makeup
department that he wanted to mold on his face and
his hair, looking as if he stuck his fingers in
electrical socket.
Speaker 2: There you go, Okay, so my theory might hold some water.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He requested a wardrobe department send him close from all
different type of time periods, which that's where Tim Burton
described the character as having lived in every time period
but no time period. Keyes is a jumping off point
to create the characters such features as the shock hairedo,
mold makeup, large tiefeit. He said he first showed up
to be all juice and the crowd was chanting jews
juice juice, and that got him into the character. So
it must have been a fun Yeah, it must have
been a fun setback. Then, Catherine Harrow met her future husband,
a production designer, Bo Welsh, while making this film. According
to Welsh, Tim Burton said that he should go ask
out her near the end of filming. It did, and
this is a quote from him. It didn't even ocur
to me. I was even supposed to talk to actors,
but since Tim told me I had to do it,
I did, and then we dated and then we married
and here we are today.
Speaker 2: So that'sh There you go.
Speaker 1: So Tim Burton gave him a little push and he
maybe wouldn't have done it, So there you go. And sorry,
I was wrong. Michael keyes in this movie for fourteen
minutes and fifty seconds, not thirty seconds, so a twenty
extra seconds I didn't give him there, So let's Seeyeah
already talked about. Yeah, all of them are how they died,
the ghosts, her, the people in the waiting room, but
they tinker with the idea of them being wet all
the time, but just thought the actors would be not
comforableed that, and I agreed that I think there's a
lot of high profile actors that would have been, like,
you want me to be wet all the time, I'm
not gonna do that. So let's see yeah the box
office success. Creative plans for a sequel Beal Juice Goes
to Hawaiian or Yeah, Beatle Juice goes Hawaiian, not goes
Hawaii script was commissioned Michael Keeno and or I are
both signed on a reprise of respective roles, but timber
And lows interest in the project and went on direct Batman,
which is so funny because you feel like it's with
different people. But it's like he lost interest to do
bield Just Too with Batman and then to go to Batman,
and Keaton just followed them because Keaton had signed on
for bield Just Too, so let's see heird Cordy to Timburn.
It took a lot time to convince the cast members,
as they thought the script was too weird. Geena Davis
was the only cast member who commit to the project
at first. Mel Keen went on a writer Katherine harra
All said no, at least once producer David Griffin convinced
medl Ken's manager to convince Keen to meet with Burton.
Once Keen said yes, Burton personally called, uh oh, that
doesn't matter, and then he flew out to Katherine O'Hara
to convince her to get the role. Kate Keton said,
he just originally dis didn't get it, but he met
Burton and that changed him. And then he watched Peewee's
Big Adventure, which was Tim Burton's movie before this. But yeah,
so they just didn't really get that there. Tim Burton,
Ridgie want Sammy Davis Junior, you know, one of the
great singers all time, a favorite of his childhood, to
play the rollbo Juice, But the STWO executives didn't like
that idea at all. And if you're looking at it,
they had like different designs for him and everything like that.
So let's see and that is everything I have. So yeah,
that's all all the rest of stuff. It's like good
set design, make up stuff and everything like that. So
go look on that if you're curious. But mister muss
final thoughts and a rating on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a this is a fun discussion. I mean,
I didn't expect this to be a you know, two
hour long retro or getting into the weeds and all
these different things. But even though there was there was
more depth I think when you dig a couple layers
deep on it. So this this was a good time.
I'm excited for the sequel. Like I said, I got
my ticket now, which that's good. Yeah, and I don't
even know what I I guess I'll give this a
seven point nine four.
Speaker 1: Point nine four. Okay, that's an interesting one. There you go,
mister Field bjbj.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go eight out of ten.
It's not perfect, but I definitely had some laughs, had
some fun with it. And yeah, I think that the
you can tell that the people coming to act in
this movie or having fun, they're having a good time.
And it's just such a wacky story and the character
Beeal Juice is just unique. I think that at its core,
I I don't need to have like a lot more
movies that are just like this, but I like the
idea and the creativity.
Speaker 1: That He's made a lot of movies. I'm not sure
if you've seen them all.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I just like the idea and the creativity that is
behind this concept, and I'd love to have more zany
movies that have just very creative concepts thrown out there.
Speaker 4: Because it's just this is just such an original idea.
Speaker 3: And I'm hoping that the sequel does not get a
little bit too copycat on its originality and reliant on
that nostalgia and that original to try to like hold
itself up. I'm hoping that it can kind of be
its own thing, with its own it's own identity.
Speaker 4: But you never know.
Speaker 3: With these legacy sequels, you know, there's always a little
bit of a risk. But I got I got faith,
I got high help. So I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 4: And I cannot wait anymore. So next week, I got
a wait a week.
Speaker 1: At least you're getting a day early though. We got
those early screenings right, keep you busy, Yeah, Dylani, you're
not early screening one right on the web.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, okay, good? The last tickets there.
Speaker 1: Okay good. Just want to clarify, So, yeah, no, as
I said before, I think there's little issues. If you
really break it down, it ain't a perfect film. I
don't think it's even one of the best films all time.
But like, I just gotta drop a ten on this.
I really have like not like I enjoy it every time,
and if it's a movie that obviously because yeah, the
Halloween season, Christmas happens. There's tons of Christmas movies and Halloween.
The movies that I watch it aren't ten out of ten's,
but sometimes don't happen every year where this is it's
on there and I think, I said, I think it's
a The run time just makes it feel like it's
a perfect length. There's nothing maybe there's, like like I said,
someone with Lyddy and her mom, but there's nothing I
feel that needs to be at it, and there's something
that feels that needs to be cut either where it's like, oh,
this doesn't work, like everything moves at a good pace.
The death, the reveals, the multiple universes, and that's all
just fun stuff too. So it just kind of is
my bag of stuff of just dark, dark, comedic, weird things.
You know, it's a A twenty four if they made
a comedy, you know, I'll say it that way. But yeah,
I'll just drop a ten because I can't. I think
just how much I've enjoyed it over the years. So
I'm hoping and I will say I'm not expecting the
sequel does not have to be like a ten to
ten for me, enjoy it. If I can get a
seven out of ten, I'm perfectly happy with that score,
you know, like, if that can be the range. If
we started to blow, then you're gonna get maybe a
disappointed Travis next week. But I hope not to be,
and we will be here next week talking about Beal Juice,
Beal Juice, and I'll not be boring.
Speaker 4: See you by m HM