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Speaker 1: That's it. We're here and for the first time since
Speaker 1: we've been in the wonderful damn studio or wherever we
Speaker 1: are today, is a deck by your good friend Ryan.
Speaker 2: It's probably to be terrible. Hey, actually, it's probably going
Speaker 2: to be some combo bullshit mill control CDH deck that
Speaker 2: you say isn't But then no, oh, don't worry, it's
Speaker 2: just crabs. Then you go infinite on turn two.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, my budget, my budget crab deck that just
Speaker 1: randomly had duel lands that I had lying around the car. No. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's a deck that has placeholders in it because I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for a couple of cards to arrive in the
Speaker 1: mail from Fusion, and I played it yesterday and I
Speaker 1: was playing and playing and playing against a guy, first
Speaker 1: day ever at the shop, never met him before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: brand new. He's like, man, I'm going to be reading
Speaker 1: a lot of cards because I'm sort of new and
Speaker 1: I've only ever played Arena. I've never played Commander, but
Speaker 1: I have a Muldratha deck and I'm like perfect, so
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be fine deck because that's a
Speaker 1: powerful card. Yeah. So he we were playing, and he
Speaker 1: says to me about halfway through the game, what I
Speaker 1: thought was halfway through the game, at about the twenty
Speaker 1: five or half an hour mark, there you go, right,
Speaker 1: you would you would expect that, Okay, this is kind
Speaker 1: of a grindy game. Maybe it's going to take an hour. Sure,
Speaker 1: totally normal. He goes, I don't really have any ways
Speaker 1: to win, but I am playing a mind Slaver and
Speaker 1: I do have a combo in here with Mchasty on Hollowed,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, okay, Well, the thing about those cards,
Speaker 1: in particular are is lots of people play casual at
Speaker 1: our store, so you're gonna find it if you cast
Speaker 1: Mindslaver against a bunch of people here, They're not gonna
Speaker 1: want to play against you, And I don't say it
Speaker 1: like that, right, Like I'm just kind of telling him
Speaker 1: in the culture of our store. Yeah, And we keep playing.
Speaker 1: We keep playing. He drops a walking ballista and I go, okay,
Speaker 1: here's the combo. Is it over? He goes, no, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to play this spoor Frog two and I'm like, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: and I'm playing a deck that needs to like win
Speaker 1: through attacking.
Speaker 2: Did you ask him if he built the deck in
Speaker 2: the car on the way to the store.
Speaker 1: No, But then later on in the game he says, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, guys, I wanted to see what more
Speaker 1: of your guys's decks do. So I wasn't playing stuff,
Speaker 1: but this game's been going on for quite a while,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna play Glacial Chasm makes it so he
Speaker 1: can't take damage along with his spore Frog that he
Speaker 1: can get back every turn with his his uh Maltrotham. Yes, so,
Speaker 1: I says to the other two guys, one of which
Speaker 1: is also brand new, like never played at the store before,
Speaker 1: whom I doing, and brand new to magic. I'm teaching
Speaker 1: them lots and they're like, oh man, thanks for teaching
Speaker 1: me so much.
Speaker 2: And the other guy's Matt oh, and the other guy's Matto. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I says, Matt, we got to get rid of
Speaker 1: that glacial chasm and remember that land destruction spell that
Speaker 1: you already fucking used on me, right, I bug Matto.
Speaker 1: Lots we trashed off each other.
Speaker 2: He's a wild card, that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I say, Matt, oh, he's targeting my shit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you can't kill that spore frog, we
Speaker 1: can't win, Matt, we cannot win. And then he taps
Speaker 1: his land. He's like, man, check this out. I'm like, Mat,
Speaker 1: if that's not a removal spell for that sport frog,
Speaker 1: you're fricking doing it wrong. Right. So the game went
Speaker 1: on for another hour. Oh man. Eventually Matt was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything else on my deck. I can
Speaker 1: deal with those. And then the other guy says, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to scoop and see what other cards and decks
Speaker 1: that you guys have, and I'm like, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 1: give me one more turn. But we're at the two
Speaker 1: plus hour mark, so you can imagine how long the
Speaker 1: turns take. And not like there wasn't any Sweepers and
Speaker 1: Wrath of Gods. I played three of them in that game, right,
Speaker 1: So it goes from me, I'll say, I'll take one
Speaker 1: more turn whatever after I finish this turn, just to
Speaker 1: see this guy takes his eight minute, ten minute turn
Speaker 1: because he's got fifty eight permanents because it's four hour game.
Speaker 1: Muldratha does Mauldratha things, getting back nine different permanent to
Speaker 1: turn because Maldratha, of course, and then he takes freaking
Speaker 1: mindslaver Matto's turn, sacrifices a bunch of his lands to
Speaker 1: his Zuren orbit and yeah, yeah, So then it becomes
Speaker 1: my turn again, and I'm like, well, I can't win,
Speaker 1: but I can do this elfha strike. Both guys killed
Speaker 1: Mattow and the other guy and then I scooped. That
Speaker 1: was my first ever experience with this deck, this deck
Speaker 1: that so did did it? So?
Speaker 2: Was it good? That I don't know if that was
Speaker 2: a good game or not. That sounds like a nightmare. Yes,
Speaker 2: that sounds like a miserable, miserable slog from hell.
Speaker 1: Yes. Wow?
Speaker 2: Can I tell the game story too?
Speaker 1: Yes? Is it the one where you were laughing and
Speaker 1: I said, Brando, stop having so much fun?
Speaker 2: No, it was the one that I was like, hey, Ryan,
Speaker 2: watch this. Oh he comes over to border what took them? Like?
Speaker 1: Ky, Ryan? Watch this game stories.
Speaker 2: So it's right at the end.
Speaker 1: Of the night.
Speaker 2: Right, it's like, okay, we're gonna play a game that
Speaker 2: goes quick.
Speaker 1: No, this was the quote. He goes, Hey Ryan, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go for it. Watch this, I'm gonna go for it.
Speaker 1: This is game ends, and I win and we go
Speaker 1: for beers or I lose. That's the quote.
Speaker 2: So I've got a soul film. Yeah, that's the non
Speaker 2: combat damage doubling person glory dominus right with an indestructible
Speaker 2: counter on it. That's important. And I have an to Ralph,
Speaker 2: Lord of whatever. He's the one that makes all the
Speaker 2: excess non combat damage that's dealt to my opponent's creatures
Speaker 2: get redirected to their faces.
Speaker 1: Yes, non combat damage trample enabler, that's important. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if you didn't know what magic speak.
Speaker 2: ESTs, Oh, you'd be in big trouble. So I takes
Speaker 2: the last cards in my hands. That's one's cards. It's
Speaker 2: a starve ex So I points at Ben's land and
Speaker 2: I go, I'm gonna kill this land. Why are you
Speaker 2: killing my land?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 2: I was like, just let me finish reading the card, Ben,
Speaker 2: then all of your creatures are gonna take forty and
Speaker 2: then all of you guys are gonna take eighty four
Speaker 2: times and they're all like.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's go for beer.
Speaker 2: They shove the ship and the way they want to
Speaker 2: do it's so good.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like turn five. It was so perfect, you guys,
Speaker 1: I happened, but it was. It was right before. It
Speaker 1: was right before the end of the day when I
Speaker 1: ask you for the Cyberman token because I had a
Speaker 1: cyber ship out. And that's a hint for the deck.
Speaker 2: That we're what kind of deck are we talking?
Speaker 1: Who's the commander is going to be the is going
Speaker 1: to be the hint?
Speaker 2: When what is this I've never seen that picture before.
Speaker 1: That is the reprinted art. Oh there's a hint. There's
Speaker 1: a hint. There's a hint. If you can guess who
Speaker 1: this is it, I guess we can let the cat
Speaker 1: out of the bag a little bit. Some people are
Speaker 1: going to know that we're talking about my vehicle's deck. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got the cyber ship in it, the six to
Speaker 1: sixth eight eight flyer six six fire. When it hits you, you
Speaker 1: get two cybermen. Oh yeah, it's over here, over here.
Speaker 1: That's not it. It's there.
Speaker 2: See it's here.
Speaker 1: Look cyber starts with a c out.
Speaker 2: It's an eight eight for.
Speaker 1: Six eight eight for six crew four when it when
Speaker 1: it deals combat damage to a player, I get two cybermen's.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. And I cast a wrathagod to stop
Speaker 1: Alex from like demoning me to death. Yep, because he
Speaker 1: had he had his demon. When an etb's draw x
Speaker 1: lose x or x as a number of demons, and
Speaker 1: the demon pandemoniums when it comes into play deals damage
Speaker 1: equal to do its power to any target. But then
Speaker 1: he had a roaming throne on demon and a pan harmonicon. Jesus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was drawing six, losing six, and doing generally
Speaker 1: eighteen every time he played a demon. And I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm at like freaking nineteen life. I better wrathagon. So
Speaker 1: I wrath a god. And it turns out the sweepers
Speaker 1: in my vehicle deck are among the best cards in
Speaker 1: the deck because I can go sweeper than play a
Speaker 1: creature than crew, and then use my first crude vehicle
Speaker 1: to crew the next one, use it to crew the
Speaker 1: next one, which is like a cybership, and it's an
Speaker 1: eight eight and I hitch you for eight after I
Speaker 1: wrath to God. You could play better wraths though, yes,
Speaker 1: and I do have a couple better wraths in here.
Speaker 1: And I would like your advice and people in the
Speaker 1: nation's advice for what what would be better than than
Speaker 1: Wrath of God? And we'll talk about the ones that
Speaker 1: I'm playing in the deck tech.
Speaker 2: I'm looking lots at this and I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of similar in how I would play my
Speaker 2: control in how I do it with Bellow.
Speaker 1: Soon I have fairly and you know what, Bellow I
Speaker 1: saw an E Dah track. Have you ever heard of
Speaker 1: that site?
Speaker 2: Once or twice?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I saw. Bello is a popular vehicle commander.
Speaker 2: Yeah, espely the fact that he makes all the vehicles smaller.
Speaker 1: Well, some of them get bigger, like like smugglers copter
Speaker 1: gets bigger.
Speaker 2: And smugglers cop doesn't cost four. Oh yeah, they.
Speaker 1: Have to cost four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like some of them, some of them are
Speaker 2: air quotes better. But like you just this top one
Speaker 2: here that's an eight.
Speaker 1: Four yeah for five, Now it's a four to four
Speaker 1: for five or a five to five for four. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: this one's a four to four for four. But they
Speaker 1: but they auto they auto crew right with bellow.
Speaker 2: But you can't crew them to make them bigger because
Speaker 2: their four fours, right, So it's oh, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure why he's a popular vehicle commander because.
Speaker 1: Because auto crew auto crew is so powerful too. And
Speaker 1: I think, and I guess judges, let us know in
Speaker 1: the comments, that's a layering question, you know. Everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's probably layers. I don't know how it works. But
Speaker 1: when something sets, like when something's power and toughness setting,
Speaker 1: when it sets it at four four like below does,
Speaker 1: that's a layering thing, right, because you can set something
Speaker 1: at four to four like below does, and then you
Speaker 1: could try and crew it. But something's already set it
Speaker 1: at four four, so if it's an eighty six, it
Speaker 1: doesn't actually change. Weird man, Yeah, I guess, let us know.
Speaker 1: Let us know. If you're a judge, you know that
Speaker 1: all the judges are going to jump in on discord
Speaker 1: and just fucking pound idiots. Why do you even have
Speaker 1: a podcast? Shut out your dumbasses paying to be in
Speaker 1: this discord anyway? Anyways, who's the commander? What else you
Speaker 1: got for hints? It does have a reprinted art with
Speaker 1: a different name or different.
Speaker 2: I think this is better. We have to have to
Speaker 2: describe her a little.
Speaker 1: Bit in her new art. Oh, it's a girl in
Speaker 1: her new art. She has a face. In her old art,
Speaker 1: she has no face or body half a body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd probably do it, honestly.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: And quite frankly, this color combination, or any color combination
Speaker 2: of this ilk should not exist.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you you you're gonna die on that hill.
Speaker 2: Hey, yep, absolutely, I will absolutely die on that hill,
Speaker 2: especially now that the color pie has kind of swelled
Speaker 2: and all of the colors have kind of spread out
Speaker 2: to color soup kind of do it's color soup now
Speaker 2: color stew color stew, and they, you know, they can
Speaker 2: kind of do all the stuff. It just makes decks
Speaker 2: like this kind of irrelevant.
Speaker 1: They can kind of stew all the stuff.
Speaker 2: Shut up, listen, we got a show to do, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to it tomorrow, I guess, and everybody's
Speaker 2: gonna love it. We're gonna have a great times it.
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