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What did you make of the first 31 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:23,120 weekend of the college football Playoff? 32 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: What stood out to you? 33 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 4: Well, we obviously need a bigger field. I think that's 34 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:31,519 the biggest thing because as it continues to evolve, my 35 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,959 mind in my back of my head is always like, well, 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,120 you know, Miami did a good job. Obviously they beat 37 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:38,719 Texas A and m Notre Dame played Miami pretty tough. 38 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,239 You know, Notre Dame was kind of hitting this shine 39 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,239 at the end of the year. Who knows, you just 40 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,599 you know, also as BYU other teams that were on 41 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,439 the bubble there that you think, man, if they get hot, 42 00:01:50,519 --> 00:01:52,959 play the right teams, matchups or everything we know about 43 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:55,680 that you just never know, you just never know, and 44 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,239 so it just to me it's if we want to 45 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,920 really have a system that can determine it dispute a champion, 46 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,280 you have to make it to where it's we've got 47 00:02:03,359 --> 00:02:05,200 more teams in there. So you get to a point 48 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,920 when you get to probably say twenty teams, to where 49 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,280 it's like, you know, if you're twenty one, twenty two, 50 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,800 you're probably so far out of that, then'll win it, 51 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,120 you know what I'm saying. But you've got a big 52 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,360 enough net there where you catch the teams from probably 53 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,719 that twelve to a twenty mark that they probably could 54 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:24,560 depending on health, depending on matchups, and it makes it 55 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:27,120 more exciting. And then you can still include, you know, 56 00:02:27,159 --> 00:02:29,560 the G five teams because they're obviously out matched. The 57 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,639 G five division itself is by nature becoming more and 58 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,199 more of its own division outside of P four, just 59 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,840 because if you have any really good G five players, 60 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:41,759 the most likely gone the next year. So the talent 61 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,479 discrepancy is huge. Obviously, they don't have the resources to 62 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:47,280 get the kind of coaching that the P four levels do. 63 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,800 So you see all these coaches stepping up to the 64 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,159 P four level most ca and so the reality is 65 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:55,199 is it's it's its own league, and so I would 66 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:59,080 probably say, hey, maybe have their own tournament with the 67 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,879 G five league, you know, and can it incorporate with 68 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,800 the P four tournament Maybe but most likely not, you know. 69 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,759 And I'm including, you know, into this P four thinking 70 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,000 the team like Boise State and some other these borderline 71 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:15,800 G five teams are right there to becoming P four's, 72 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,000 but it's it's to me, it's creating a natural divide 73 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,759 to where we are just gonna see I believe it, 74 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,360 you know, twenty team field at least, and the field 75 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,319 would be amongst the P four teams. Also, you know, 76 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:30,599 additional G four teams that are are pretty much there anyway, 77 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:33,000 like Boise State, and then you know you'll have your 78 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,840 G five kind of like an FCS, you know. So 79 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:37,319 I think I think it's already kind of happening, you know, 80 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,800 where we're seeing this divide and things evolved, but it's 81 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,800 it shows that there is a lot yet to still 82 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:42,360 be changed. 83 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: If it was a twenty team playoff, the first team 84 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,639 out or that the team out would be Virginia. It 85 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,719 looks like it would have been if we if we 86 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,400 allowed the top six, right conference champions. They're they're the 87 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,439 out of it. So let's say jam you and Tulane 88 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:02,879 both get in. The first team out would have been Virginia. 89 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,599 Virginia wouldn't have got in. And then you know, obviously Houston, Georgia, Tech, Iowa, 90 00:04:07,199 --> 00:04:09,199 North Texas, those guys are all out. 91 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: But that's a good feel. 92 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:14,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but you're you're right, you know, we're not 93 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,439 We're not complaining. I wouldn't think anybody would Neil like, 94 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,839 oh wow, Virginia's you know there, they could maybe win 95 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:23,160 the whole thing, you know it could They lost obviously 96 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:26,519 their championship games. So that's what solves it. Because to me, 97 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,399 I always go back to two thousand and four Ben, 98 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,120 where we played USC, who's supposedly voted as like one 99 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,519 of the greatest college football teams ever, and then we 100 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,920 followed up, you know, that year we played Utah and 101 00:04:36,959 --> 00:04:39,959 I left the game against Utah fan like Utah would 102 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,120 absolutely own USC, you know what I mean. And now 103 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:46,560 whether that happens or not, whether that's true or not, 104 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,519 we'll never know. But the problem is is that I 105 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,800 had that thought and it never had any time to 106 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,199 be put them out, you know, put it to the 107 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:56,800 test on the field, and that's the whole point of 108 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,000 a playoff, is that you wanted to spit out or 109 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:02,800 produce an undisputed champion. And so you go back two 110 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,600 thousand and four, that to me is not you know, 111 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,600 whoever won, I don't even think. I think USC might 112 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,800 even have split it, by the way, But I look, 113 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:12,439 there's even you know, an undisputed champion, and they say 114 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:14,399 they're the best team ever. We don't know they didn't 115 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:16,120 play the best teams, you know, because you tell they 116 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,439 never had a chance to face. And so that's what 117 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:20,480 we're trying to avoid here, and we're getting closer to it, 118 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,839 and I believe there's some more tweaks that's eventually going 119 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,959 to make that tournament like a legit tournament. But you 120 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,399 know what, we're we're still a ways away. And but 121 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:31,079 the fact that Uyu, for example, was a game or 122 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,720 a win away for being there, I think right there, 123 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:36,839 you're you're you're excited if you're you're Byu, because you're 124 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:38,040 right in the thick of it. You just got to 125 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,360 go out and win the games in front of you 126 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:41,120 and and you're gonna be in that tournament. And then 127 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,480 when you're in the tournament. You just never know. 128 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: Was Texas A and M the most overrated team in 129 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:46,959 college football this year? 130 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,079 Speaker 4: I don't know about that. I believe every week every 131 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,839 team is different. There's dynamics of injuries and player improvement 132 00:05:55,879 --> 00:05:59,319 and development that take place, some some digress because the 133 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:02,319 progressions that linear. And we can say that also about 134 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,839 head coaches and offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators. They're they're 135 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:09,399 also on this, you know, trajectory, whether they're improving or 136 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:12,720 getting worse, or evolving or not. And so there was 137 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:14,839 a time where, for sure, I believe Texas A and 138 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,199 M was playing at a very high level. They re 139 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:19,519 deserve the kind of hype they were getting, and then 140 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,600 they just fell off for whatever reason, and they just 141 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:25,279 have locked the consistency. They've locked the ability to play 142 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,079 well against good teams. They obviously locked the ability in 143 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:30,319 the playoffs to really stand up against the Miami team 144 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:33,439 that came in hungry, and they just didn't get it done. 145 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:36,319 So I don't think there's an issue of a hype there. 146 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,360 I just look at it as an issue of where's 147 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,639 your team at week after week? And they kind of 148 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:42,920 peaked at the beginning in the middle of the season 149 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:43,920 and then just tel. 150 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:50,319 Speaker 2: Off as far as the other games, right, everyone's talking 151 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,600 about how tou Lane in JM you didn't deserve to 152 00:06:52,639 --> 00:06:55,920 be in No Cinderella is everyone wants to get rid 153 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,639 of Cinderella's now. But there's plenty of data points to 154 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,560 show that there's been blowouts, like ten blowouts P four 155 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:07,000 versus P four. You can go down the list of teams. 156 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,279 I think I was Ohio State was skunked once. I mean, 157 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:13,959 Tennessee lost big last year. What do you what's your 158 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:16,680 retort to that? Do you agree or disagree with the 159 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,120 No Cinderella movement? 160 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 4: I'm not sure that's what they mean. What I mean 161 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,959 I think their meaning is there is a distinct, like 162 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:29,279 when you look at Tulane James Madison, when I'm watching them, 163 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:34,120 there's an absolute difference in the level of football being played. 164 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,399 And you know, like, for example, when you go to 165 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:39,920 the NFL, there's the Jets is one of the worst team. 166 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:41,639 I actually think, well, who's got the first pick? I 167 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,160 think maybe it's the rag Giants. I don't know. But 168 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,279 let's say, like you look at the Jets, when the 169 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:48,759 Jets come walking out and you see their raw ability 170 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:52,399 versus the Eagles, Let's say who's probably the top team. Sure, 171 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,959 the Eagles are going to have some more between quotations 172 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,000 raw talent, but that's because they've developed that talent. They 173 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,199 have good schemes around that talent. That's good organization. So 174 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:05,160 but it's really not raw talent wise, there's not a difference. 175 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,600 And you can almost say that about every NFL team 176 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,920 raw talent if you just broke down you know their 177 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:12,759 speed and movement skills. It's all pretty much the same 178 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,240 across the board. Now, when you look at Tulane versus Oh, 179 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:20,959 Miss James Madison versus Oregon, there's a discrepancy, and it's 180 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,319 like and so there's already this inherent disadvantage because you 181 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,279 just don't have the inherent physical talent you know, if 182 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:31,759 you're these G five teams. I explained already wise because 183 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,120 when you get guys you developed at that level, because 184 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,240 everybody's on a different director, everybody's on a kind of 185 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,919 a different growth curve. Those guys leave and they go 186 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,440 to P fours. So it's just the system matter where 187 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,240 you just don't have the talent level. And I'm talking 188 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,480 physical raw talent. I'm not talking football talent that now 189 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:49,279 has made these two leagues very different. And that's the 190 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,519 discrepancy I think everybody's seeing. And that's what's kind of 191 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:54,799 annoying because it's like unless Tulane just either played out 192 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,759 of their minor James Madison or the opposite was either 193 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:00,000 one of those teams just acts, you know, Wills fell off, 194 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:02,679 they get cocky, and they just you know, completely disaster. 195 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,120 There's really not a good game. Now if it's P 196 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,200 four versus P four and it's a blowout, well heck, 197 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,600 now we're talking about scheme discrepancy, strategy discrepancy. You know, 198 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,360 we're talking about other things than just the inherent ability 199 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,600 to show up to be part of the table. Is 200 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,919 the is the big I think problem and people see that. 201 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,320 It's not hard to see you when you see teams 202 00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:24,399 go against each other where one team just by far 203 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,120 has more speed, more strength, more power than the other team, 204 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,559 and it's like it's like it is literally watching two 205 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,720 different levels. And that's I think the problem. 206 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: So the top twenty five rankings, I mean JMU would 207 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,240 be out, tu Lane was I think right there in 208 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:47,720 the top twenty per the College Football Playoff, maybe just 209 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:50,559 one of those teams gets in maybe one type of 210 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:53,519 Cinderellas story could maybe get into the playoff. 211 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, because if you put it into twenty But 212 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:00,840 like I said, I don't even know as we continue 213 00:10:00,879 --> 00:10:05,799 forward through this this era where now, I mean, there's 214 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:11,799 more of a priority now and a an emphasis a 215 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:14,759 necessity would even be a good word of running in 216 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,200 a for profit operation, a football or even an athletic 217 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,440 department that makes a profit than there's ever been. I mean, 218 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,960 that's why you have Gillingham in Arizona soliciting for twenty 219 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,399 million dollars, you know publicly, is because they can't run 220 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,720 a profitable operation unless somebody floats them and lends the money. 221 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:34,000 You tall, you know, they're getting the private equity money 222 00:10:34,039 --> 00:10:36,519 a five hundred million dollars, which is not bad. These 223 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:38,559 aren't bad things. But the point I'm bringing up is 224 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,919 this not like it used to be, where the money 225 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,279 was at a point where yeah, you could have a 226 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:43,879 donor come in and write a check. It would be 227 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:45,919 a probably a million dollar check and okay, that covered 228 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,399 your your expenses, and that covered your loss because you 229 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,000 went over your budget. Now you have to operate with 230 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:55,399 profit in mind. You have to at least spend what 231 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,799 you make. You know, if you're spending more than you may, okay, 232 00:10:57,799 --> 00:10:59,320 then you gotta go get debt. And now if you 233 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,799 get debt, got to pay off their debt plus interest. Okay. 234 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:04,159 That makes even more incumbent that you find and made 235 00:11:04,159 --> 00:11:05,720 a way to make revenue. And if the money is 236 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:07,320 so big now you don't have the ability to go 237 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,279 to most donors, probably ninety five percent of them now, 238 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:13,440 especially if you're talking you know, and some places in 239 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,879 the country that used to really you know, have these 240 00:11:15,879 --> 00:11:18,200 donors and say hey, we need your help, because not 241 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,879 these donors don't have enough money to do that. That's 242 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:22,559 how big the money is getting. And so my point 243 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,600 is is that is exponentially growing, and these G five 244 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,720 are exponentially leaving the other way. The natural happening here 245 00:11:29,799 --> 00:11:31,720 is the Super Conference. Well, we're going to have G 246 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:34,919 five pretty much be FCS. It'll be you know, P 247 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:38,000 four G five Division one double A FC. I think 248 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:40,000 the FCSA Division one double A are the same. Then 249 00:11:40,039 --> 00:11:41,879 it becomes its own division. And I already see that 250 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,240 right now. It's very clear that just like I said, 251 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,320 based off of raw talent, is its own division, and 252 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,919 it's very easy to see that. And again it's it's 253 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,440 very easy to see that because any player that develops 254 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,399 to be really good at that level is gone the 255 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,519 next year because these these P four teams are offering 256 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:58,440 them bigger money. 257 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: Here on ESPN. 258 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,879 Speaker 2: The frame B baby Brady, excuse me, we want to 259 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:07,200 talk BYU Notre Dame. Now they didn't play in the 260 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,000 pop dars ball Notre Dame. He's no longer the fighting 261 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,720 ares of their quitting irish. But they they try to 262 00:12:12,919 --> 00:12:17,960 redeem themselves. They schedule a home at home with BYU 263 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:22,240 and USC. The USC game essentially is essentially canceled. The 264 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:26,440 lunch standing Notre Dame USC game is canceled BYU Notre Dame. 265 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,519 Speaker 3: Your reaction to the news love it. 266 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,279 Speaker 4: Like like you just use the word redemption. I lost 267 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,720 a lot of respect for Notre Dame for their unwillingness 268 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,639 to want to play. I thought that was not good 269 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,840 for the younger guys that need that extra time, want 270 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,159 that extra time. I mean, you only get to play 271 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:49,679 football once and when it's over, it's over. But one 272 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,559 thing that you can do to kind of redeem yourself is, yeah, 273 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,919 a schedule, good team, you know, and I think that's 274 00:12:55,919 --> 00:12:58,279 a heck of a heck of a deal for us, 275 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:00,559 you know, to get Notre Dame, because it's shows also 276 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,559 where Notre Dame sees us. You know, years past, Notre 277 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,720 Dame would not have taken an equal home and home. 278 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,440 They would have said, Okay, if we're going to you, 279 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,159 then you got to come to us twice, right, And 280 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,600 then they didn't even want to come to us, and 281 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,879 they had a neutral sidea in Vegas where they were 282 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:16,240 allowing seventy five percent of the tickets to the fans 283 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,759 of Notre Dame. But so yeah, I mean the fact 284 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:20,919 that they're willing to come and they know that that's 285 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,080 going to help their resume and ability to rank where 286 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,960 they need to rank to qualify for the playoffs. That 287 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,480 shows we're at with the whole landscape of P four 288 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,120 and power football. We're one of them right now, you know, 289 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,000 So that that Notre Dame sees that. So I look 290 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:38,440 at that and say thank you for the respect and 291 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:40,440 the opportunity, and then at the same time, yeah, I 292 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,200 mean it goes to show you. I think there's you know, 293 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,879 I know Marcus Freeman, I know, I don't know him directly, 294 00:13:44,919 --> 00:13:48,000 but I know guys around him, like James Laarnidis, a 295 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,559 j Hawk, who are good buddies of mine that I 296 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,600 play in the NFL with. One was aj was my 297 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,679 roommate who had played with Marcus Freeman Ohio State. And 298 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,320 I know how those guys think, and I know based 299 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,679 off of that that it looked like they were running 300 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,960 from us from BYU, So it makes sense that they 301 00:14:04,039 --> 00:14:05,679 want to show No, we weren't running away from you. 302 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,279 We're trying to prove a point boom so much so 303 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,279 we're going to put you on the schedule and we'll 304 00:14:10,279 --> 00:14:12,039 come to you next year to start us off. So 305 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:15,360 great thing to happen twenty two years later, finally come 306 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,320 aback to Provo. Sure it's going to be electric, great game, 307 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:21,440 great opponent. And yeah, they kind of redeemed themselves, although again, 308 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,639 like I said, I really still fell back for those 309 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:26,720 younger guys on Notre Dame that don't have extra practices, 310 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,039 don't have an extra game to show themselves. 311 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,759 Speaker 2: The college football cabal, the cartel that I how I 312 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,320 deem it they're trying to pressure Notre Dame into joining 313 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:41,799 a conference. Joey McGuire, Big twelve, Texas Tech head coach said, hey, 314 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,480 if you're in a conference Notre Dame, he said that today, 315 00:14:44,799 --> 00:14:48,480 then you're in the playoff. Do you think Notre Dame 316 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,879 acquiesces and follows suit and falls in line with the 317 00:14:53,879 --> 00:14:57,360 college football cabal and joins a conference eventually. 318 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 4: If they're smart, they would. Now here's the big nuance 319 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,720 that I think we have to understand a lot of 320 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,200 times when you say independence Notre Dame, what that means 321 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,240 is is they control all their revenue income. They don't 322 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:13,360 share it because they don't have to. And that is 323 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,759 a fact. The Notre Dame brand, the following their cachet 324 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,159 is enough to where they don't need a conference to 325 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,480 try to profit. They don't need a conference to generate 326 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,000 hundreds of millions of dollars billions of dollars in revenue. 327 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,440 They don't need that. And so a lot of people, 328 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:32,320 I think, you know, from the Notre Dame side, when 329 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,440 people are telling them, like you said, coach Griver, say 330 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,200 hey you need to during a conference, they look at like, well, hey, 331 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,960 we don't need to join your conference to get these 332 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,120 revenue streams. Sure, and that's not what we're saying. What 333 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:44,200 we're saying is is you need to join a conference 334 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,320 to clarify where you sit in terms of the rankings, 335 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:50,279 either qualify for the playoffs or not. And the best 336 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:52,679 way to do that is, yeah, go and play a 337 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:56,399 P four conference schedule with similar opponents than your other 338 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:59,480 teams that you're facing. Because he's right. I mean, if 339 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:02,200 you would have had them in the ACC this last year, 340 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:05,639 it's probably you know, they're in the championship game at 341 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:09,000 the very least, right and then then they probably went in. 342 00:16:09,039 --> 00:16:10,919 I mean, they're they're better than both Virginia and Duke. 343 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:12,200 I mean, I don't know what happened to the tie 344 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,360 breakers where Miami couldn't get in there, but but yeah, 345 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,440 I mean it's it creates a very clear path. Like 346 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,799 I said, with here we are here, we are BYU, 347 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,840 kind of the same thing happened to us as Notre Dame. 348 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:24,559 But I don't feel like Notre Dame. I don't feel 349 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:26,360 like we got yanked at all. I feel like we 350 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,639 had our chance. We put it in the lap of 351 00:16:28,679 --> 00:16:31,879 the the you know, the committee, and that's on us. 352 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,600 You know, we shouldn't be putting it in their lab. 353 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:36,559 We had every every opportunity by just winning games, and 354 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,919 especially the championship game to get in and we didn't 355 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:41,039 do it. So hey, that's just how it goes. You 356 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:43,039 gotta win the games in front of you to qualify 357 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,639 for whatever you got to get done. We didn't do that, 358 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,519 and so it actually helps sort to day. That's I 359 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:50,200 think the thing that they need to realize that help. 360 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,440 They're helping themselves by getting in a conference, but you're 361 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,320 going to have to get into a conference and negotiat it. 362 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,080 Do when you basically tell every other member of that conference, like, hey, 363 00:16:58,559 --> 00:17:00,480 we're going to be a part of your conference, but 364 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:02,679 we're not going to share revenue. And that might be 365 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,680 the sticking point and if imm they don't need a 366 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,279 conference to make money. But then at the same time, 367 00:17:09,759 --> 00:17:12,759 that conference, just by having Notre Dame in there without 368 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,759 any revenue share, without Notre Dame, you know, funneling any 369 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:19,200 dollars into the conference, that is a huge asset and 370 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:21,880 a huge value add So I can even see if 371 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,960 you have a smart you know, some smart business people 372 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,400 working together and finding that middle ground to where it 373 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,119 will make sense for everybody. So I hope it works 374 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,839 out that way. 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