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The views opinions 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,959 and statements expressed by our guests are their own and 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,519 do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next 22 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:27,000 Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Now let's dive in to today's episode. I'd like to 24 00:01:31,159 --> 00:01:33,760 welcome to the show, Melissa Taddll Hi you do, Melissa good. 25 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: How are you. I'm so happy to be here. 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,239 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,959 excited to talk to you about your knowledge about ancient 28 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,719 civilizations and your new movie Coach twelve, which I'm excited 29 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:46,959 to get into as well. But first of all, how 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,840 did you get interested in this world of ancient civilizations 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,799 and codes and simulation theory and all that kind of 32 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:54,359 cool stuff. 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,519 Speaker 2: You know, I've always been a weird kid, so I've 34 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,719 always been like in a sci fi big tomboy into 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,280 comic books, and you know, it's just like a weird kid, 36 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:12,360 big imagination. As I got older, I chose my profession 37 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:17,680 as a journalist TV and film. There's a lot of 38 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,319 obviously things going on in the world that I could 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:25,039 have angled my career towards. But to me, I found 40 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:28,159 that most of the answers that I was seeking to 41 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:32,400 solve by doing journalism was mostly in the unknown, because 42 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:37,120 there you can really pontificate on how humanity should solve 43 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,000 a problem. By being in a place that doesn't necessarily 44 00:02:41,319 --> 00:02:44,120 put you in the exact war or the exact situation, 45 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:50,639 it allows people to work through their problems. So what 46 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:55,479 I found was was that the idea of extraterrestrial interdimensional 47 00:02:55,479 --> 00:03:01,360 beings or ancient civilizations kind of unraveling these ancient mysteries 48 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,919 had more to do with solving our modern day problem 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,800 than it did solving how old is this piece of rock? 50 00:03:09,479 --> 00:03:12,560 To me, it was like they have left behind such 51 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,479 unique structures for us to really pontificate on the future 52 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:20,280 of humanity there and even in stories that I've covered 53 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,000 with the aliens and that kind of thing, that it's 54 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:25,599 all part of that bigger picture of where are we 55 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,400 going as a human race? And so I don't know, 56 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:30,479 I just couldn't look back. After I kind of started 57 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:32,759 to look at things that way, I thought, this is 58 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,960 way more interesting, and I feel like I have more 59 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,400 of an impact on people and how they're supposed to 60 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:39,719 live their lives. 61 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting too, because in many ways we've 62 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:45,039 walked similar pasts, not as much journalism, but I've been 63 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:48,080 in the film industry for so many years, and storytelling 64 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,840 and everything is I started getting into ancient civilizations and 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,520 sci fi and all these other kind of worlds. It 66 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,639 was my interest was about not just the rocks, old 67 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:02,159 rocks or old buildings, but how it was connected to 68 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:07,439 everything as a grander story. Because some of these monuments, 69 00:04:07,919 --> 00:04:11,639 some of these stories, ancient texts, all this stuff. You 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,840 start digging deeper and deeper, it's just an endless hole, 71 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:18,600 a rabbit hole that you walk go down. It's just endless. 72 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,160 It takes multiple lifetimes to go through all of this stuff. 73 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:25,759 Speaker 2: Would you agree, Yeah, It probably takes multiple lifetimes of 74 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,040 you living it for you to remember what it was 75 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:33,600 that you were even teaching or absorbing or saw. We have, 76 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:37,160 you know, Graham Hancock put it best. We are living 77 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,879 in a state of amnesia at all times. And the 78 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,439 reason we're still attracted to things like the Great Pyramid, 79 00:04:42,519 --> 00:04:45,920 or the temples in Greece and Egypt and all over 80 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:48,839 the world, and the ancient stories and the things that 81 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:51,399 have been told over and over and over and over again, 82 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,040 is because we do know, but we can't convince ourselves 83 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,879 that it's real the things that they are saying, because 84 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,959 we have programmed our selves to not think it's real. 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,079 For some reason, we have decided to create our consciousness 86 00:05:06,079 --> 00:05:09,519 in a way that does not allow for expansion, and 87 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,240 that is we're not fighting another being in another dimension. 88 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,000 We are fighting ourselves on what we believe consciousness to be. 89 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:20,639 Speaker 1: Do you believe that is by design? Yes? 90 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: And no. In my movie Code twelve, I give some 91 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:28,839 a hypothesis for if there was a simulation, if there 92 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:31,680 was a structure to how we think and why we exist, 93 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,279 who created it? And I bring up the idea of 94 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,759 the Emerald Tablets with Toath and how the fall of 95 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:43,360 Atlantist then caused Toath to take action create that. This 96 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:47,120 is in the Emerald Tablets create the Great Pyramid, and 97 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,480 then the Great Pyramid helped to create a structure of 98 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,680 frequency that we aret thou now under. The reason being 99 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,480 it was a good reason at the time, was because 100 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:02,480 Atlantis fell because people are beings were misusing the power 101 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,079 of what Atlantis stood for and therefore allowing lower dimensional 102 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:11,279 beings to come in through our structure and inhabit our bodies, 103 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:14,399 not because they're bad, like we're still looking at things 104 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:16,439 a bad or good, but because they're in a lower 105 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:18,439 dimension and they have to feed just like we have 106 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:23,240 to feed on what dimension we're in. Right, this was 107 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,319 a problem because now humans were being taken over by 108 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,000 these lower dimensional beings. So he creates this good system, 109 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,279 cuts it all off. None of them can come back in. 110 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:34,079 The problem is we're cut off now from our eternal 111 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:40,600 potentiality as a bean. And in that story, if that's true, 112 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,800 it was for a good reason, but we lost all 113 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,639 connection with all those things that we knew of how 114 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,480 the universe worked, and our potentiality and who we were. 115 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,639 And this is why people are so obsessed with Atlantis. 116 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:55,600 They have to get back to this point, you know, 117 00:06:55,759 --> 00:06:57,319 they want to get back to the point of which 118 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,839 they knew how the universe works worked. And that makes 119 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:06,920 more sense to me that we are somebody might have 120 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,040 created it for possible good, but now we believed in 121 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,040 it so much for so long that our consciousness, our 122 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,639 bodies can't exist beyond the structure that it was created 123 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,120 and that we believe is true. 124 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: Would you agree that at this time, though, the consciousness 125 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:28,079 of humanity is shifting to where these conversations are becoming 126 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:32,079 much more. This information has become a much more readily available. 127 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:36,560 Where twenty years ago, thirty years ago, shows like the 128 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,879 ones you produced for Gaya Ancient Civilizations would have never 129 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,560 in a million Graham Hancock would have never been allowed 130 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,560 to even speak, let alone do what he did, and 131 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,920 or shows like this wouldn't be even accepted that were 132 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,879 people were even ready even if you got to broadcast them. 133 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:54,079 So would you agree that that's happening right now? We're 134 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,920 kind of moving towards a higher state of consciousness. 135 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: Yes, it's so funny. Someone just asked me question, if 136 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,240 we are living in a simulation, why aren't we all 137 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,639 dying off because the simulation wants to stop people from 138 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,720 figuring out it's a simulation. And I said, well, I 139 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:11,480 don't think that that's the case. I think that there 140 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:16,040 was a programming in there that wants us to see 141 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:19,000 how we are living our lives, like really be able 142 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,079 to because we need to expand we're bursting. We've literally 143 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,120 run all the storylines that can possibly exist within our 144 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,680 current program and we keep and we keep doing it 145 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,039 over and over again, and people are wising up to it. Okay, 146 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:36,639 we're in another war We're in another situation of hate, 147 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:41,000 We're in another depression, We're in another blah blah blah. 148 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:45,799 Money is this and you know, people are just hat 149 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,759 it like in mass levels, and that is causing chaos, 150 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:54,919 but it's also causing a new consciousness to emerge. And 151 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,960 I totally agree with you, and that's why I think 152 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:03,519 that everything is reprogrammable and that right now we're at 153 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,200 a case of like, this doesn't make sense. We are 154 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,559 not in a place yet we've decided, well, what is 155 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,559 the future of humanity going to be? There's just a 156 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,759 lot of people upset, which is you never read the 157 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:19,919 book Power Versus Force. It's uh yeah, right, so they 158 00:09:19,919 --> 00:09:22,159 had that, they had that chart, right, the chart starts 159 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,120 with like, I don't know what the bottom is, but 160 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,960 grief and you know, anger, And so here we are. 161 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,120 We're at like level you know, seventy five, which is 162 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,240 anger and that's resentment, you know. But each of these 163 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,480 is a level up, right, and then you level up 164 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:40,679 to hope and then and then at the very top 165 00:09:40,759 --> 00:09:43,559 it's bliss. It's it's you know, and that's like seven 166 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,919 hundred and fifty. So right now, if we're at if 167 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:48,200 we're in talking numbers. We're at seventy five because we're 168 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,120 angry and there's no one going to stop us. We 169 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:56,120 as a human race, as conscious beings within a structure, 170 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:58,399 have to build that have to get to that next 171 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,039 level of what that is, and we are definitely on 172 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:04,559 the road to that for sure. And these conversations help 173 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:08,519 the help more people become their eternal selves. 174 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:12,519 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 175 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:20,960 and now back to the show. And when you say 176 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,519 we've done this again and again, I mean there's been 177 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,279 story upon story about the rise and fall, the rise 178 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:33,919 and fall, the Enlightenment and the opposite of enlightenment, and constant, 179 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,519 constant going back and forth. I mean in the ancient 180 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:41,080 texts of the Beta texts, they talk about the Yugas 181 00:10:40,759 --> 00:10:42,960 and that the cycle of twenty four thousand years, and 182 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,879 Graham Hancock has been talking about it because now those 183 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:50,600 what he's finding in ancient monuments is starting to back 184 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,559 up the concepts of this twenty four or twenty six 185 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,960 thousand year cycle that we're in. According to the Yugas, 186 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,679 where like the Dark Ages was the worst, Like that's 187 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,720 as bad as we could get as a species. Nothing 188 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:04,799 happened for five or six hundred years, like it was 189 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:07,799 just death in Mayhem for five and then slowly the Renaissance, 190 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,639 and now we're starting to come back up to this 191 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:13,679 enlightened place where we could argue Atlantis, let's say, was 192 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,559 close to that space. Can you explain that a little 193 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,519 bit from your findings of all the stuff that you've 194 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:25,480 researched over the years about this constant creation destruction, creation, destruction, creation, destructure, 195 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:27,200 And it's in nature for God's sakes, I mean, it's 196 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,080 it's everywhere. It's literally being projected to us all the time. 197 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:37,279 Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. So in my documentary Code twelve, we talk 198 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:42,480 about the importance of to really two pieces of ancient 199 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,720 history that repeat itself all the time, and I do 200 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:50,480 think it has to do with our structure. Also the 201 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,440 twenty six hundred years of all the zodiac times and 202 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:58,679 then you start all over again, right, and this is 203 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,360 why ancient temples and pyramids are all attached to equinoxes, 204 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:06,360 and you know they're really tracking where are we in 205 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,840 the you know, Hindu the Yuga, where are we in 206 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:14,399 the structure of of this this massive overhaul for humanity 207 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:19,440 for twenty six hundred years approximately The two symbols are 208 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,720 concentric circles, and the other is a numerical twelve, right, 209 00:12:25,799 --> 00:12:29,320 so twelve times twelve is twenty four. It's a it's 210 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:35,279 a if you look at an infinity loop, right, it's like, 211 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:41,799 you know, two existences together type of thing. So why 212 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:47,679 is this important? The structure of time is in a circle. 213 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,279 The way we live, our life is linear, so that 214 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,039 means we're in the system. Those twelve points on the circle, 215 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,039 like a wheel, are the twelve zodiacs that align us 216 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,240 to the system. It's all the same system. The twenty 217 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,120 six thousand, five hundred years. Look at it this way, 218 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:08,759 is your ability as a human race to gain enlightenment. 219 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,840 After that, you start all over. It's like a game. 220 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:13,759 Did you get to the end? And if you didn't, 221 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:16,159 after a certain amount of time, you go back right 222 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,639 and and this this is an ancient text because we 223 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:24,679 have not been able to do that, right, We have 224 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,360 a chance now for I think we have what two 225 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,360 about twenty two hundred, two thousand, five hundred. 226 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: Years, right, something like that, something like that. 227 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,519 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, obviously, as Melissa Tittle in this body, I 228 00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:42,919 am not going to be around, but you know, maybe 229 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:45,799 I will in a different body. But this is very important. 230 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,159 You know, if we're on a scale and we're starting here, 231 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:51,519 we really think about it. If we've been below the 232 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,360 power versus forest chart from you know, the top is 233 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,159 seven hundred and fifty or something and we're at seventy 234 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,679 five and we are below that, I mean, we got 235 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,240 a lot to do in a short amount of time. 236 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,360 If you think about the Yugos, the twenty six five, 237 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,519 five hundred years. But the ancients knew this and it 238 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,159 was so important to constantly feed the information. They also 239 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,440 knew that we were going to as a human race. 240 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,200 They predicted we would go through these these hard times. 241 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:23,799 And that is why the ancient teachings are so important 242 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,600 to all of us because we know that they knew 243 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:31,720 something that's not accepted in our modern culture. Definitely more 244 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:34,080 so even five years ago. People are opening up. They 245 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,679 want to know more, they want to be part of 246 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,039 whatever it is because people are ready. But this is 247 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,080 this is why they left it. They carved it in stone, 248 00:14:44,279 --> 00:14:47,919 they left it behind. The Native Americans have oral traditions 249 00:14:47,919 --> 00:14:52,399 that are specifically memorized to be passed down that we'd 250 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,120 never forget. Where we can be if we're able to 251 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:04,320 see things differently. I always think that, let's say, at 252 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:09,440 year twelve thousand, five hundred, we hit alignment, way before 253 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:13,480 the whole cycle starts over again. I think we break 254 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,879 out of it. I think that the system doesn't exist anymore. 255 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,120 I think that the whole structure of time of twelve twelve, 256 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,320 you know, twelve points on a clock, twelve zodiac, the 257 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,320 idea that the in the duat, there's twelve hours of 258 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,840 the night, there's twelve hours of the day, right Like, 259 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,320 all of these will go away, all of it won't exist, 260 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:43,240 will be in complete different kind of universal existence. And 261 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,759 that is what the ancients want to leave behind. We 262 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:48,720 don't have to wait till the last day of the 263 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:51,080 twenty six thousand and five hundred to finally be like 264 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:56,080 everything's great, I'm so joyful. No, no, no, no. The point 265 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:59,840 is to break the system, to get out, become your internal. 266 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,759 Speaker 1: So these ancient monuments have been left behind, you know, 267 00:16:05,399 --> 00:16:07,879 it seems almost like they left certain ones behind that 268 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,399 could absolutely withstand the test of time, the pyramids being 269 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:14,679 a great example of that, and not just the Great 270 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,080 Pyramids and the Great Pyramid in Giza, the Pyramids of Giza, 271 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,559 but also pyramids in a car and and and in 272 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,519 the Central America, and all of these, all these kind 273 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:32,200 of structures that are not easily dismissed. You can dismiss 274 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,960 ancient texts arguably, but it's difficult to go a wait 275 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,080 a minute, how the heck the matropitri get made, How 276 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,840 the heck the Chichenitza get done? How the heck the 277 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,559 Great Pyramids get made in a time when they were 278 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:52,440 literally supposedly unsophisticated to a point where we can't even 279 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:54,399 redo the Great Pyramid today. I know a lot of 280 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,120 people argue that thought, oh yeah, we could do, like 281 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:01,600 are you out the kind of precise alignment? And not 282 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:03,840 only that, then you start looking at the codes that 283 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:08,400 are embedded in those monuments, like if I'm not mistaken, 284 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,039 the height of the pyramid, if you multiply by a 285 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,279 certain numbers, the width of the earth or something along 286 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,079 those lines, and these kind of codes are embedded in it. 287 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:21,200 Where do you do you agree with that these things 288 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,839 would be left behind for us as kind of almost 289 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,440 markers in time to go. No, guys, look deeper, because 290 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,839 you can't dismiss that. You could burn ancient text can 291 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:40,759 really burn the Great period. They've tried to destroy many times. 292 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:40,519 Speaker 2: And Napoleon blew a hole in the side of it. 293 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,480 But thanks to him, we can actually get in and 294 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,400 you know, meditations in the chain the King's chamber. 295 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, you know, but yeah, but that's but 296 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:52,200 you know, so thank you Napoleon, I guess for that. 297 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,759 But without that we wouldn't have never been able to 298 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:57,599 get inside of it. And there's still things inside of it, 299 00:17:58,079 --> 00:18:00,599 arguably that they have not been discovered yet, you know 300 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,920 that they're still trying to figure out. It's it's fascinating. 301 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:07,720 So all of these even gopecley Tepe, which completely moves 302 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,759 our human timeline behind. What do you see? Where do 303 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:14,440 you see this all going? Why did they leave all 304 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,319 of these things behind? And why are they encoded with 305 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:21,640 so much information that we're slowly trying to decode. 306 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,599 Speaker 2: Now, Well, go but whatever's at the bottom of Goebeci Teppe, 307 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,559 I don't think they wanted us to find, so I'm 308 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,640 very interested when they finally get to the bottom, it 309 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:34,480 just blows my mind. They're not there yet. Yes, it's 310 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:35,440 so crazy to me. 311 00:18:35,839 --> 00:18:38,599 Speaker 1: Well, that whole mountain has about the whole Mountain's a 312 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:40,839 ton more of them in there, right, gopechy Tepe is 313 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,400 just like one. There's a bunch more of those. 314 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were intentionally buried, So whatever is down there, 315 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,960 they did not want us to find. And I think 316 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,319 that it's so ripe for this time, right that we're 317 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,000 like on the brink of all these discoveries and you know, 318 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,720 it's really you just brought out the Great Pyramid. I 319 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,440 find it fascinating that they have all this technology and 320 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,079 they just found another corridor, another room or something like 321 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,759 that in the yeah, in the Great Pyramid, that they 322 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:08,400 just keep finding things randomly. I mean, maybe they're holding 323 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:13,400 back the material until the right time, But does it 324 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:18,160 does it exist or are they is it making itself 325 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:20,519 known all of a sudden within our dimension? 326 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: It just the whole because it's time, because it's time. 327 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,319 We can accept this information now, or we can use 328 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:28,440 this information. If this information would have been released five 329 00:19:28,519 --> 00:19:31,720 hundred years ago. And it's kind of like if someone 330 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,480 got the idea for the iPhone one hundred years ago, 331 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,839 two hundred years ago, people we weren't ready yet to 332 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,480 even deal with that. Would that make sense? 333 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, definitely, It's funny about the iPhone. I 334 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,200 was reading an article published by somebody at JPL in 335 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,039 Pasadena from like nineteen fifty and they're like pretty soon, 336 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,160 and the article said, man predicts we'll be talking, Well, 337 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,680 we'll be talking to we'll be talking to our wrists 338 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:02,640 in our and our phones in our hand. 339 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 340 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:11,799 and now back to the show. 341 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:15,759 Speaker 2: And it was like it was like, you know how 342 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:18,319 they write those funny like fifties like ha ha, you know, 343 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 and he scientists was like, yeah, everyone's going to have 344 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:23,640 like their own phone and they're gonna be able to 345 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,200 like hall and FaceTime. And he doesn't use the word FaceTime, 346 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,960 but you'll be able to see people in the phone 347 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,920 and walk around and. 348 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: And I just thought, yeah, those are the seeds. Those 349 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,039 are the seeds. Well, I mean, look but sci Fi 350 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,079 is the seeds. I mean, if it wasn't for you know, 351 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:43,319 h G. Wells, I don't think we have a space program. 352 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:47,359 You know, those books inspired a generation. And then when 353 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,240 when we went to the you know, the whole sixties 354 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:52,680 going to the Moon thing, that inspired a whole other 355 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,599 general and then Star Wars and Star Trek and even 356 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,799 Dick Tracy talking into his into his into his watch 357 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,000 back in the early eighteen hundreds. Now we do that. 358 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,359 It's all it comes through story a lot of times, 359 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,759 these ideas that eventually get it turned into something a 360 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:10,160 little bit more material. 361 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And I feel like the ancients knew that. 362 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,359 So I think a lot of and a lot of people. 363 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,680 I don't know if you've been to any ancient sites 364 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:21,920 or anything like that, Okay, so you know that when 365 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,440 you go to certain ancient sites you feel something different. 366 00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and. 367 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,079 Speaker 2: It's different for each person, right, Like, for instance, I 368 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,359 didn't have the best energy in the Great Pyramid, but 369 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,640 there have been places in Egypt that were just mind 370 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,720 blowing for me. But you do feel something different, right, 371 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:44,960 So there's some kind of energy harnessing of all these places. 372 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,359 Whether you're in Peru, you're in Egypt, you're in India, 373 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:53,880 you're in a vortex spot in the Four Corners in 374 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:59,519 Native American territory, there's places where you're in touch with 375 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:04,200 what the ancient people are talking about. And these places 376 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,720 are sacred not because of what they built there, but 377 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:10,720 because of the information that can come through if you're 378 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:12,359 open to receiving. 379 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: So from your research, what are some of the codes 380 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:18,799 that have been discovered that are embedded in some of 381 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,880 the more famous some of the more famous monuments, ancient 382 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:23,920 monuments around the world. 383 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,599 Speaker 2: I think the famous codes, and a lot of people 384 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,039 know this is the sacred geometry and the connection to 385 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:35,240 pie and pie and the Golden mean. Most temples are 386 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:41,319 calculated to harness that energy, which every piece of life 387 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:48,079 is kind of calculated on the Golden mean. Everything your body, 388 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,480 the plants in your house, your animals, you know, everything 389 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,720 everything around us matters created this way. They're able to 390 00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:00,440 harness that energy. I think that's the sacred the sacred stuff. 391 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:06,960 But I think the most interesting thing for me is 392 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,799 that that's been talked about since the beginning of spirituality, 393 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,599 which was Madame Bolvovski, right, this understanding of how everything's 394 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,359 calculated this way. What I'm more interested in is what 395 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,519 are we not seeing? Okay, so that's calculating, but what's 396 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,920 underneath that calculation, what's beyond that calculation that we are 397 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,119 not seeing? And a lot of that is up for 398 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,119 interpretation because you have all these amazing symbols all over 399 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,119 the world, and people give you their interpretations of what 400 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,160 they mean. I think that beyond the structure of the 401 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:46,319 Golden Mean, there is another code that is the actual 402 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,960 structure of what we're living in. The golden mean is like, 403 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,880 think of it this way. The Golden Mean is the 404 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,720 is how everything is coded that we know right now. 405 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:02,279 But then there's something else that codes a bigger part 406 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:05,119 of the universe, and that is what I'm more interested in. 407 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:11,480 And I find more of that code actually attached to 408 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:16,680 more feminine temples, feminine language. It's like that, it's like 409 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:21,839 that chaos, It's like that Sophia. It's this other thing 410 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,519 that no one has been able to really dive into 411 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,559 that has a completely different calculation of how things exist 412 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:31,839 on this planet. And I think it's I think why 413 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,319 it hasn't really been talked about is because it's not 414 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,480 something we're looking for. It doesn't fit into the pattern 415 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,880 of which everything is created. But if we are eternal 416 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:44,119 and we exist within all space and time at the 417 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,079 same part, this code is that. 418 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,559 Speaker 1: So in other words, we've been focusing on the code 419 00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:54,079 for the program, but not the code for the operating 420 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,599 system exactly exactly, And that's everyone's focusing so much on 421 00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:00,880 the program that no one's go away to minute. What's 422 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,880 the program running on? 423 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, exactly, exactly an Apple or are we on 424 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,799 a Microsoft computer? Like, what are we doing? 425 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: Exactly? Is this Windows ninety five or is this System seven? 426 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:16,880 Like what is Sorry geeking out a little bit on 427 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,599 old technology. But no, that's a very good point. That's 428 00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:23,240 a very good point. One thing that is, and you 429 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:27,039 mentioned this earlier, that is another fascinating aspect of a 430 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:30,000 lot of these ancient monuments and ancient civilizations is their 431 00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:36,079 obsession with the sky, obsession with the cosmos, obsession with 432 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,400 the alignments of stars and equinoxes and all of this 433 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,680 kind of stuff. Why do you think what does that 434 00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:47,680 say about the ancients that I mean, they're just so 435 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,920 focused on the on the sky and specifically stars where 436 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,400 I think it's in the Great Pyramid, like the almost 437 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,960 perfect do North or something along those lines, if I'm 438 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,359 not mistaken, the way it's aligned, and at a certain time, 439 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,519 I mean, I mean I was a chichen Itza and 440 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,000 twice a year in the equinoxes, a snake appears on 441 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:15,400 the steps of Chichenitza. Do you understand what insanity that is? 442 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,519 To understand the timing? How to structure, it where to 443 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,960 put things. It hurts the brain for us to do 444 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,799 it today, let alone to have that kind of insight 445 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,720 back then. So what is your thoughts on that. 446 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say something really simple. It's just 447 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,400 not sexy. But I feel that the ancients were very 448 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,400 in touch with the harmony of nature, the harmony the stars, 449 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,079 the harmony of our positioning with the equinoxes the zodiac, 450 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:49,880 like there was harmony there. We the only people concerned 451 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,640 about the equinoxes are a couple of people that want 452 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,880 to stand outside and see if they can see something. 453 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:58,400 Or you're in the conscious space and you get together 454 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,680 and you do a meditation, and but but it's not 455 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,400 like a it's not an accepted thing where it becomes 456 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,039 like an event like it probably was in ancient times. 457 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,279 Because they were in harmony with these these events within 458 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,160 the structure of how they were living. We are not, 459 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:20,119 we are not in harmony with that and and their harmony. 460 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,680 I use the word harmony because it is an under 461 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:28,720 it's a greater understanding of where they are and how 462 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:31,599 everything works together. Right now, we look and fear at 463 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:33,359 all that we're like okay, and then it's there, and 464 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,319 then it's here, and then it's there. But we have 465 00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:40,119 it all separated and it's not congruent. I mean, I imagine 466 00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:44,039 ancient civilizations were talking about science and spirituality and channeling 467 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:45,799 aliens and all sorts of stuff all together in the 468 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:51,960 same house. And they weren't all separated science and existence. 469 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,559 They they were the phenomenon and so was that up there, 470 00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,400 and they were all together in it. But we have 471 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,920 separated ourselves from that. It's happening up there, we're here. 472 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,839 We get to see it. That's great moving on, you know, 473 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,079 even if in the conscious space you're like, Okay, well 474 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,039 you're Sagittarius, and that means and therefore that there wasn't 475 00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:19,160 any harmony with with the existence of the stars, and 476 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,480 I just I think that's really what it really what 477 00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:26,319 it is. It was. It was more a joy of 478 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,480 being alive and being with all of the things then 479 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,440 I'm not sure, and then being fearful of all the 480 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,759 things and keeping it separated. 481 00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: And so that Yeah, I mean, that makes sense what 482 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:45,079 you're saying, without question the but but the thing that 483 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,400 just blows my mind is how did they do it? 484 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:50,480 How do they have the knowledge to be able to 485 00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,440 create these structures and in a way that we don't 486 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,519 even understand today. 487 00:28:54,839 --> 00:29:00,759 Speaker 2: What what's frequencies? I mean a lot of I mean 488 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,559 a lot of these stars. You can find some of 489 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,640 this on YouTube, sure, because people have done work on it. 490 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:09,960 Not that many people look into it, but each star 491 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,680 has a frequency that we still feel from Earth, and 492 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,640 I think that they were in touch with that in 493 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,920 such a way. I mean, we find ancient instruments in 494 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,240 every temple. I mean they've been able to lay that 495 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:22,759 out of what kind of instruments they had and how 496 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:23,920 they played it and all the kind stuff. But I 497 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,799 don't think we really dove into like, well why and how? 498 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,359 And I think that they knew how to use sound 499 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,759 and frequency to not only and this is also a 500 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,079 theory by many people, but to move stone, to move structure, 501 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:42,160 to create from this this body that we have that's 502 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,680 connected to this eternity that we live in. I think 503 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,319 that they used frequency for that. That's the only way 504 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,839 to be so exact, I mean, to create something out 505 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:56,920 of ego, to create I mean we're just talking about 506 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,920 stone right now, We're just talking about all the temples 507 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,599 that we're just kind of blown up. Whether you're South America, Egypt, whatever, 508 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,440 it doesn't matter. Like you're just like, what how did 509 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:06,839 they do this? 510 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 511 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:16,039 and now back to the show. 512 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 2: Think about it. If if the theory in Egypt is 513 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,240 they got a bunch of slaves and they're like, you know, 514 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:24,960 wheel all this stuff together and put it. I mean 515 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,359 at some point you're like, you know, he's my guys, 516 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,839 my master's never going to announce, just to stick the 517 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,680 router and just put some stuff, and it's all there 518 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:35,759 like it was. There's none of that. There's not even 519 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:39,160 one imperfection. And then even in these temples in South America, 520 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,680 there's not one imperfection. There's a crack now because it's older, 521 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,160 there's an earthquake, but there's nothing. There's still aqueducts running. 522 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,960 And that kind of perfection comes from something more pure 523 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,720 than than doing things to do things. And I think 524 00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:57,839 that's the harness scene of this. These frequencies, what those 525 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,319 exact frequencies are to do exactly what they did. I 526 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,440 don't even think we know how that works. There's lots 527 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,240 of people don't research on it, but to connect all 528 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:09,440 the dots to create to create that with the human consciousness, 529 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:11,559 we barely scratch a service. 530 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: Well and it's it's it'd be the equivalent of, you know, 531 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:16,680 one hundred of years or two hundred let's say, five 532 00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:20,480 hundred years from now, someone finds this iPhone and they're 533 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,480 going to be like, well, what was what was that about? 534 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,720 You know, if let's say they can if everything, all 535 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,839 the information is gone, let's say, and they just find 536 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,839 a bunch of these, they'll be like, what is this? 537 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,680 What were they using for this? What was this magic box? 538 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,440 And that could be said with a bunch of our 539 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:39,839 technology now, because we have no frame of reference and 540 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,759 we only and I think one of the biggest problems 541 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,000 we have, especially people today, is they look back at 542 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,920 the ancients and they look at it through the lens 543 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,119 of the technology we have today, and they don't foresee 544 00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,519 things like frequency because to them, they're like, oh, that's 545 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,920 hocus pocus, where it's it could be much more powerful 546 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,200 than the iPhone, could be much more powerful than a 547 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,480 nuclear weapon that we have today, or so on. Would 548 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,079 you agree with that? 549 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that in places like CERN and some 550 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:11,279 other scientific communities, I think they do know this and 551 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,000 they're working on it. For the rest of us, we're 552 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,960 just trying to meditate to you know, frequencies that we download, 553 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,240 you know, to put us in a meditative state. But 554 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,319 all of that is the same thing. It's just on 555 00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,359 a bigger scale. And then it's using all of the 556 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:33,359 resources crystals, you know, it's not just man made stuff. 557 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,079 I mean, I think science communities are fully aware of 558 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,920 the potential of all of this, but I still think 559 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,519 they haven't figured out what frequencies do what that. They 560 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,799 are definitely aware of this, and they're definitely not going 561 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,440 to tell us until they figured it out. 562 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:53,039 Speaker 1: Well. But yeah, so if you go into there's some 563 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:57,799 structures in South America which I was around, and the 564 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,039 stones are all weirdly they're not like, you know, four 565 00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,200 foot by four foot four foot, but no, that's all 566 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:10,680 different sizes, but they all fit perfectly together. And then 567 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,559 I was watching a video the other day where let's 568 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:19,200 say there's a corner the stone would corner like it 569 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,759 would like the stone. It wouldn't be like a stone 570 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,680 and a stone. It would be like a stone cornering 571 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,960 around and then it would pick up here and it 572 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,880 would go all the way through. It's not like filler 573 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,440 or anything, because an earthquake happened and a couple of 574 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,960 them shook off, and they looked inside and like Jesus, 575 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,759 that goes all the way through, that goes all the 576 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,200 way in. It's not like someone just jams something in 577 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,920 to get the corner in. It is such perfection and 578 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:45,000 it's such weird shapes. I'd love to hear your theory 579 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,200 on how the hell did they build something like that, 580 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,480 because at least the Pyramids they're giant granite blocks, but 581 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,880 some of the stuff in South America and another ancient sites, 582 00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:59,599 they almost looked like they were poured in, like they 583 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,559 melted the rock, pored in molds and connect because it 584 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,519 doesn't even the paper piece a paper doesn't fit in 585 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,800 between these rocks. It's absolutely mind blowing. 586 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't have any evidence for that. 587 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,639 I mean, I guess everything we're talking about we don't 588 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,519 have any evidence for so, but I mean that could 589 00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:23,360 be something. I mean, if you're able to create a 590 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,920 higher entropy on matter and being able to manipulate it, 591 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,079 you know, from rock to liquid and then put it 592 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,920 back together into a lower entropy, and you figure that 593 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,159 out through frequency, I mean, I mean God, anything's possible. 594 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,360 I do agree though that it's it's pretty fascinating. In 595 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,559 South America they had those key holes too, where everything 596 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:45,760 just fits perfectly, like barely anything in between. And you're 597 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,519 like they had those in the a Siren Temple as well, 598 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,599 like the Underground Temple. And Egypt is behind Avidos they 599 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,880 have those keyhole things. It's like someone from Peru just 600 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,920 came over. They're like, let me show you my technique 601 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,679 where I built the rock and put. 602 00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:07,519 Speaker 1: It in there. There's that, and there's another another area 603 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:12,000 in India, which, oh my god, these temples that have 604 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:16,039 been carved out of a mountain, like they're just caught 605 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:19,880 like they literally, but it's an entire temple that was 606 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,880 carved from the rock. It wasn't no rock was brought in. 607 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,639 It was carved out perfectly. So there's a temple inside 608 00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:29,079 of it of a mountain. Multiple I think there's like 609 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,119 seven or eight of them in a complex. And yet 610 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,239 they cannot find the stone anywhere, Like that's a lot 611 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,000 of stone being removed. It would still be around, they 612 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,239 wouldn't have hauled it off hundreds of miles away. It's 613 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,519 nowhere to be found, So what the hell? Happened. How 614 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,519 did they do that with rooms and everything you have? 615 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: You know, not just that that one specifically, but even 616 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:57,039 in the valley of the Incas, as you know, before 617 00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:58,960 you get to Machu Pichi, there's tons of temples on 618 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,880 the way there. I wrote an Ancient Aliens episode where 619 00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:06,480 we were talking about specifically only in Tintambo, which is 620 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,440 the temple to the Sun, it still has natural running 621 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:15,480 aquifer action or aqueducts still that the stone from there 622 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,840 was taken another valley away, which means they'd have to 623 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,320 roll it over the mountain, go roll it down the 624 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,920 valley the valley of the Incos, which is pretty steep, 625 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,159 and then roll it up the mountain side to put 626 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,440 it in there. And so one of the things that 627 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,239 I tested was like, okay, well maybe humans actually did this. 628 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,599 They found because they needed a certain stone, right, this 629 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,519 is this is the thing to make that temple in India. 630 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:43,000 To find those blue sarcen stones if for a stonehenge 631 00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:45,079 that are in the middle, they were specific they came 632 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,360 from hundreds of miles away, right And for this these 633 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,440 stones to build this temple in the valley Ladinkas needed 634 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,519 to come from another valley away. Okay, makes sense. So 635 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,400 humans like drug it up the hill. So we went 636 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,119 to a quarry. We you know, we had the weight 637 00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:05,840 of the largest one, right, so one of those was 638 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,679 like seven or eight tons, and we had them roll 639 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,960 it down the hill in this quarry and it shattered 640 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,599 into like a million pieces. Like even if you were 641 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,599 like trying to like hold back the gravity of that 642 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,239 rock right to bring it to be carved, it's just 643 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:28,119 absolutely ridiculous. It makes no sense. It's it's as if 644 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:33,360 like you're saying, somebody something found the stones and was 645 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,880 able to carry it. But that's not possible with all 646 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,400 we know about space and time right now and how 647 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,840 the universe works, is not possible with the physics we understand. 648 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,519 And that's what I'm saying, there's something else out there 649 00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:45,960 that operates in a different level. Why do you like UFOs? 650 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,599 That makes no sense. Alien interactions, interdimensional means none of 651 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:51,840 that has anything to do with the physics of which 652 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,079 we exist right now in this time and space, which 653 00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,760 means something else is out there that can interact with 654 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,159 our dimension of time and space and can come in 655 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,760 and out understanding that big code, and ancients tapped into 656 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,400 that bigger code that I'm talking about outside of the 657 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,000 one that's the Golden Mean, and we're able to use 658 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,559 that to create the things that we can't figure out 659 00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,920 within our means of modern technology. 660 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,639 Speaker 1: How old do you think some of these are, these 661 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,360 these ancient sites are, because I mean, if we are 662 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,079 we are if we're to believe that the Pyramids were 663 00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:31,119 done in Egypt, what six thousand years ago something like that, 664 00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:34,280 you know, if you're feeling froggy eight thousand years ago, 665 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,039 if you really want to get outside the world of like, 666 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,039 you know, the general timeline. But now we're starting to 667 00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:44,599 figure out that some of some actually archaeologists who are 668 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,119 bold enough to say it, they're like, could be up 669 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,559 to thirteen thousand years ago, but arguably could be twenty 670 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:54,039 six thousand years old, and going, you know, going again 671 00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:57,119 these cycles. It keeps seeing like thirteen thousand, twenty six thousand, 672 00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,960 you know, these kind of numbers. What do you think, 673 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,360 because what do you think the agees of like Machu 674 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,280 Pichu chit Chu nitsacause that says, oh, that's twelve hundred 675 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,199 years old, fifteen hundred years old. I'm like, I don't know, 676 00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:10,360 what do you think? 677 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's just look at our modern day existence. 678 00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:18,960 I'm on the East coast, I'm outside New York City. 679 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,360 I have a house from the eighteen hundreds. You know 680 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,599 what they've been doing to this house since eighteen hundreds. 681 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:26,559 They've been building on They've been building structures. They've redone 682 00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:29,039 the outside, like I have like a nice sun room 683 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:31,079 in the back, you know what I mean, that's not 684 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,280 an eighteen hundreds thing. I think that these spots always 685 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,400 had ancient temples on maybe thirty forty thousand years ago. 686 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,039 But then maybe the view that we're looking at is 687 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,960 the modern sun room, right, the fifteen hundred version where 688 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,679 they did some some they did some they did some fixes, 689 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,000 and they were able to be like, Okay, well this 690 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,840 is definitely the fifteen hundreds from whatever sample they took. 691 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,039 But the original design I think is much older, and 692 00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,519 that's been there and I mean, you just see that 693 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:06,480 and just modern day in Oh my god, I cannot 694 00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:08,599 forget that. I'm forgetting the name of the town. You 695 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:10,280 start the inca trail. 696 00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: At Oh god, I forgot the name. But I know 697 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,599 what you're saying. I know I don't remember the name, 698 00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,400 but the town we'll call it the town, the Inca. 699 00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:19,199 Speaker 2: Town, the town, the town, and rue it starts saying, contrail, 700 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,840 I can't believe, I forget that. 701 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. 702 00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:29,840 And now back to the show. 703 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 2: You could see in town that they had amazing Inca 704 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:37,760 temples that they just cut the tops off and put 705 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,639 a church on. So you got half the church built 706 00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:42,039 up as an Inca temple, and then they stuck a 707 00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,079 church on it. And then of course the church now 708 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,000 had to be a little bit modern day updated, so 709 00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,519 then they've updated that, and you could see the different 710 00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:54,760 levels of years of Inca amazing, then next generation and 711 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,559 then pebbles right and then church right right. So I 712 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,079 think that that's what we're seeing here at these temples. 713 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:03,719 I think that the reason people are saying, hey, I 714 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,639 think they're much older is because they're looking at this 715 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,079 the alignments, the spirituality that the texts, the understanding, the 716 00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:13,840 oral traditions, the symbols, and they're saying, wait a second, 717 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,880 this is much older. And people are saying, yeah, but 718 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,360 the building, the rock over here, this is fifteen hundred. 719 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,840 Maybe it is, maybe they had to replace something here 720 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,920 and there. But I think we're looking at something that 721 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,039 we don't even know how old it is. 722 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: And if you look at I mean I've been to 723 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,760 I mean if you go to Rome, just a Roman 724 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,880 empire alone. I mean you go to Italy and you 725 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,000 walk around, it's a walking museum and they build things 726 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,760 on top of Roman stuff. You're like, oh, that was 727 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,679 old Roman this or Roman that. The Roman aquedoctx are 728 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,599 still around, you know, there's still it's driving around, you know, 729 00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:52,639 in an uber And I'm like, is that the that's 730 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,079 the Roman aquedox. They're just hanging out there next to us, 731 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,360 next to a highway, you know, next to a highway 732 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,400 that they just built right next to it. So why 733 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,159 wouldn't that happen over thousands and thousands of years? Isn't 734 00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,679 aren't there some there are some pyramids in Mexico that 735 00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:13,679 they're discovering that there's many pyramids inside of each one 736 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,039 and they've kind of almost built on top of it, 737 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:18,199 on top of it, on top of it. Is that correct? 738 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 2: Oh? Which side is that? I actually don't know that one. 739 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,119 Speaker 1: There's one in Mexico, but I know there's others around 740 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:27,400 the world that they actually have pyramid If they're doing 741 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,159 so onar and they're like, oh, wait a minute, there's 742 00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,800 something underneath. Oh, and it goes underneath that. I saw 743 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,639 it in Graham's show Ancient. Yeah. I think he did 744 00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,360 a couple of those. They just keep going down down. 745 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,119 They haven't gotten down as far as they can go yet, 746 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,360 but it looks like they just built on top of 747 00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:48,679 a top of it, on top of it. So it's 748 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,719 it's just it's this big story. 749 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,079 Speaker 2: Russian doll of pyraid Russian the Russian. 750 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: Dolls of Pyramids. Now, I wanted to ask you about 751 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,039 a culture that the first I ever heard of this 752 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:05,400 term was in Ghostbusters. Yeah, I love it. The Sumerian, 753 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:10,960 the Sumerian gods, you know people. Yeah, the heat Gozer 754 00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:15,280 was a Sumerian god. Uh oh go yes, Gozer was 755 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,800 a see now we're geeking out hardcore. So yes, that 756 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,000 was the very first time I ever heard the word Sumerian. 757 00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,440 And I'm like, who are the Sumerians? And then as 758 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,480 I got older, I started researching a little bit about 759 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,960 the Samerians. Can you talk about the Sumerians as a 760 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,199 culture and what they've brought to us? And I mean, 761 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,760 they're pretty mysterious. I'd love to hear your thoughts on them. 762 00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 2: Oh, the Sumerians, you know, as Graham Hancock says, it's 763 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,440 actually a curse word because like once you go down 764 00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:43,440 that train, like you know what, he takes you seriously, 765 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,360 you know, and his profession, he like stays away from it, 766 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,960 like the plague. Like I can't even I can't even 767 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,639 say the word, the a word annochy. He's just like 768 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,239 I'm not. 769 00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,039 Speaker 1: You can't talk, You can't say anything about the anarchy 770 00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:55,960 God forbid, right, no pun intended. 771 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just gets too it gets too far down 772 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,559 a train of speculation. So the Samerians, I I you know, 773 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,320 besides the Onanaki, they have this amazing mythology that seems 774 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,039 to play out in our everyday lives all the time. 775 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,159 They really set the structure I think for our current civilization, 776 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:25,639 our financial systems, our our community systems, our hierarchy systems 777 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,639 that that I don't think that they're I think that 778 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:35,119 the Samerian culture really set that tone, you know, if 779 00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:40,559 you really they were the first to create a civilization 780 00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:46,159 that had certain rules and regulations that followed a certain thing. 781 00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,960 And then of course that passes down to different areas 782 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,559 in the world. But this but they were very detailed 783 00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:53,760 at recording all of them, whether it was how much 784 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,880 something costs, to how things go, what the law was, 785 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,679 how it works, and all that. And now that doesn't 786 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:06,719 mean that other ancient ancient civilizations, you know, maybe Atlantis, Hindu, 787 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,199 that doesn't mean. It's just that they recorded it so 788 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,800 well and that people were able to read it and 789 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,519 then copy their civilization after it. That's a good law. 790 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,639 I'm going to incorporate that. You know. It's like they 791 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,039 just they had the Amazon of books, right they they 792 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:26,920 wrote the civilization we have today down to all the 793 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,280 laws and regulations and how everything should be set up. 794 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,760 And so I think in a way there too to 795 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,840 be you know, that's really great and also to blame 796 00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:41,559 thanks for all that. But it did organize people, and 797 00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,360 it organized cities, and it organized trade, and that became 798 00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:48,400 we became more worldwide in that way as a you know, 799 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,639 third dimensional human doing things with other humans. I think 800 00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,559 it definitely created more laws and regulation for that. And 801 00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:56,480 then of course then you have this spirituality side. You 802 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,400 have the Ananaki, you have these beings that come from 803 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:04,800 space that that kind of created humanity, messed with our genetics, 804 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,079 our DNA created this hybrid called home almost sapien And. 805 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: This isn't this is an ancient text. By the way, 806 00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,719 this is not sci fi. This is not sci fi. 807 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,199 This is an ancient text. And isn't it? Is it? 808 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,840 And isn't this kind of like always waved off as like, oh, 809 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,360 they were just writing stories. Really, do you know how 810 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,480 heart it was to write on those damn tablets. They're 811 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:29,239 not just gonna write your soul, that poor soul. Just 812 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,000 a little way for like, hey, let's let's tell a story, Like, no, 813 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,920 it doesn't seem like it. I think we should, And 814 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,800 you're right. Once you say the a word, it goes 815 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,480 down a very very long path. But but there has 816 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:48,559 to be some seeds there of that makes sense. So 817 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,280 I just wanted to let people know that this is 818 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,199 not just like, oh, this is a story that Melissa's 819 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,119 making up. No, no, this is not an ancient text. 820 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,000 And by the way, many other cultures have talked about 821 00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:01,840 this similar or idea in Indian culture. I mean the 822 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,960 bag LaVita alone, I mean talking about blue beings and 823 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,519 all this kind of stuff in a time where you 824 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:11,119 guys just writing stories. Uh so is this Harry Potter? 825 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,679 Speaker 2: But like in the To Be Blue it's just like, 826 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,400 why why do we need to know the calculations of 827 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,239 Solomon's temple? I mean, thousands of years later, I'm not 828 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,400 building it, Like, why do we need to know it? Right, 829 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,360 it's the story of the people and their interactions with God. 830 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,760 But apparently this is what this is where it all 831 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,159 gets weird. It's like blue beans, Okay, did you have 832 00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:31,559 to make the blues or reason it was blue? What's 833 00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,079 with the calculations with the building sizes? And now we're 834 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:36,119 here to That's a lot of work to write a 835 00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:41,360 story about these beings coming from from outer space or 836 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,559 creating humanity. 837 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,119 Speaker 1: The skies from the skies guys, Sorry, space sounds very scifiic. 838 00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:48,519 You're right. 839 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,159 Speaker 2: So now we're in the Ananachi world of creation. I 840 00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,639 think it's really important about the story that this this 841 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,800 the story of the two brothers. So the Onanaki, there's 842 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,760 there's any There's many players in the Ananachi, right. There's 843 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,199 a Nana who could be contributed to the first isis right. 844 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,000 She's kind of a creator goddess in charge of fertility 845 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,599 and agriculture. There's a couple other players. There's there's Daddy 846 00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:22,440 anne Anew who never comes to Earth, because he's just like, whatever, here, 847 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,360 I'm going to send my two sons to, you know, 848 00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:27,800 create this new life on Earth. And that's Inky and 849 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,599 in Lol Inky is is the serpent who tempts Eve 850 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:34,000 in the garden to eat the apple. He's all about knowledge, 851 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,639 you know. He sees this creation of Homo sapien as 852 00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,639 a as not only an experiment, but but also for 853 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,719 them to gain their own knowledge, their own free will, 854 00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:46,119 to understand what they're doing here. In Low, the other 855 00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:49,639 brother is all about being a warlord, making sure they're slaves, 856 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,119 keeping them in the system. So here we have two diconomies, 857 00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:56,440 six thousand years ago on the purpose of humanity, two 858 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,599 gods at war with each other. Eventually they went to 859 00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:02,000 war with each other, one inviting humans to not be 860 00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:06,159 slaves and learn about the universe and their free will, 861 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,920 and the other one saying, no, stay in line, otherwise 862 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,400 bad things will happen. So you have this good cup 863 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,880 bad cut situation going on that plays out in all 864 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,920 of our subconscious the duality of which we live in 865 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,679 all the time. Do I practice free will or do 866 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,320 I fall in line so I don't get in trouble? 867 00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,320 Every thought, every thought that you ever have fits into 868 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,639 those two categories. And they wrote about that six thousand 869 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,400 years ago. Now do they write about that because they 870 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,760 wanted to find a story to fit in the duality 871 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,239 of humanity and then wrap their home culture around it 872 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,360 or was there a grain of truth in that story? 873 00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:43,039 Speaker 1: It is something that we deal with every day. Obviously, 874 00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,519 you and I are the troublemakers because we're not definitely 875 00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:52,800 did not stand in line. But yeah, there are those two. 876 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,679 There's two kind of two kind of human beings. There's 877 00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,559 people who stay in line, do what they're told, blah 878 00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,559 blah blah. And then there's the rebel people of freethinkers. 879 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:07,039 But those people who are the freethinkers and kind of 880 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:12,000 blaze their own path is what moves humanity forward. Without them, 881 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,519 humanity doesn't evolve at all. 882 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 2: Would you agree, Yeah, of course, of course. I mean 883 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,920 you always know the troublemaker in class. You know, he's 884 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,719 just he or she doesn't want to play by the rules. Right, 885 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,119 they become the next they become the next teacher, the 886 00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:33,199 ones that can see outside the box. So they're both important. 887 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:38,599 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 888 00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:43,480 and now back to the show. 889 00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,639 Speaker 2: Is I mean, have you watched the first for I 890 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,119 love the first season of Westworld? Have you seen it? 891 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,159 Speaker 1: I saw the first season of West World, yes, having 892 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:53,559 I didn't think I didn't keep going. 893 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,119 Speaker 2: But I did get the first season in West World, 894 00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,679 and when you look at it this way is literally 895 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,199 the old story of Inky and in Law. So a 896 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,639 spoil alert. It's been on TV for a long time. 897 00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,920 But if anybody hasn't seen it, I'm sorry. I'm gonna 898 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,639 tell you. The premise of the first season. The first 899 00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:12,280 season is there's this whole game that's created that these 900 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,760 AI kind of robots. They're very human looking, they're alive, 901 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,079 they have like fake emotions, apparently they exist, and then 902 00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:22,639 humans can just rent time in the park and go 903 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,159 shoot them or have sex with them or all sorts 904 00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:27,800 of things, and it's like rich people do this. Now, 905 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,679 the game was created by two brothers. One is Anthony Hopkins, 906 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,599 who's still alive, making sure the robots are taken care 907 00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:36,079 of and fixed and you know, they're all ready to 908 00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,199 go for the next scene. And the other brothers not 909 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,360 alive anymore, and they both program the system. Now, what 910 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,039 you find out in the first season is that the 911 00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:49,440 brothers not alive anymore. Specifically, put a codec or a 912 00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:53,599 code within these AI human looking beings to wake them 913 00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:56,199 up so that they would not comply anymore with the system. 914 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,880 That they were actually asking questions, why is it like this? 915 00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:59,840 Why am I getting shot? 916 00:51:59,840 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 1: Like? 917 00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:04,480 Speaker 2: Or why do I feel something? And now all everyone's 918 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,440 in shock, They're like, what is happening? Why are they? 919 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,199 Why are they? Why are they waking up? And I 920 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,719 feel that that that in a way, if you think, 921 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,159 if we believe that we were created by these beings 922 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,960 or some other beings, or that we have a grid 923 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,360 and a toath is involved, or whatever the story may be, 924 00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,280 that there is some part of us that is always 925 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,639 supposed to be curious, and it has been there since 926 00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:28,280 the beginning of time and it will never cease to exist. 927 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,880 A psychologist once said that the greatest fault humanity, the 928 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,599 human race has, and the greatest achievements that they have 929 00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:40,079 ever done, is by being curious. By being curious, we 930 00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:44,360 left the cave right. By being curious, we got ourselves 931 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,840 in a lot of trouble, but without it we wouldn't 932 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,920 continue the human race. So this next curiosity, this next 933 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,639 phase of what humanity is this is this is the 934 00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:56,440 thing that will not go away. It'll it'll wake you 935 00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,760 up in the middle of the night. You can't escape it. 936 00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: It is the future. 937 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,599 Speaker 2: We are being prompted to discover our potentiality. 938 00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:15,199 Speaker 1: Curiosity killed the cat that's years left, but we get 939 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,239 nine lives, so it's okay, it works out. No, you're 940 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,360 you're absolutely right. This this idea of the troublemaker, the 941 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,239 idea of moving forward. Well, let's talk about a troublemaker 942 00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:31,719 in the past. This guy named Jesus, he was hanging around. 943 00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:35,920 He was definitely a troublemaker big time. But there was 944 00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:39,880 this there was this group that I've just recently started 945 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,400 to go into a little bit. And I know you've 946 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,519 done a lot of research on the Gnostics. Can you 947 00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:49,480 explain to people who the Gnostics were and what happened 948 00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,280 in that storyline a little bit. 949 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,280 Speaker 2: Poor Gnostics did not get nine lives, we'll say that. 950 00:53:56,039 --> 00:54:01,320 So the Gnostics were actually an early second of Christianity. Well, 951 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,760 let's back up a little bit. There's lots of debates 952 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,199 of who Jesus was. There's people who say Jesus didn't 953 00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:11,920 even live. For the sake of this conversation, and what 954 00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:14,039 I really true believe. I do believe there was some 955 00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:17,400 character like Jesus, just like there was somebody like Buddha, Right, 956 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,400 There's someone who was able to translate this energy, this, 957 00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:26,400 these frequencies, all this stuff we've been talking about this podcast, 958 00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:31,760 and those early sects of what later became Christianity. At 959 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:38,760 the time wasn't Christianity. Jesus was Jewish. He they the 960 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,880 teachings were not about what they are now they were. 961 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,079 They were very much about being outside the system. The 962 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:50,360 stuff we were talking about, frequencies, sound, being joyful, translating 963 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,639 the word of God, of the Goddess. You know, it 964 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,559 was very much in line with It wasn't just God, 965 00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:58,639 it was it was it was the Goddess, it was 966 00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,960 the creation, it was it was this all this information. 967 00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:10,880 Now when it became Christianity, well before so Jesus transcends 968 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,400 and we uh, we now have we have an early 969 00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,679 sect of his teachings which become the Gnostics, and then 970 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,599 you have the Apostles that go off and do his teachings, 971 00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:29,280 which later becomes Christianity. But the Gnostics really were holding 972 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,000 this this true vision of what the teachings were about, 973 00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:35,480 and a lot of We don't need to get into 974 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,480 Mary Magdalen, but the Gospel of Mary is most of 975 00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:41,440 it is ripped out because because it always starts like this, 976 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,840 if you are so powerful women to tell me what 977 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,159 Jesus said, please tell me now. And then of course 978 00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:48,840 all those pages are ripped out and we can never 979 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,679 find them for the for all of eternity. 980 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: Of course, of course, of course, so. 981 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,960 Speaker 2: The Gnostics were following those old teachings. There was no separation, 982 00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,639 there was no angry God. It was God embraces everybody, 983 00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,679 forgiveness all of that. Right, those are the Nastics outside 984 00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:08,719 the wall. Nothing's real, you know, live in joy and 985 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,280 harmony all the time, no matter how much they test you, 986 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,960 it is not real. That's Gnostics. Christianity went off and 987 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,639 did their thing, and they're like, they're crazy. We're creating 988 00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:19,840 a whole order, We're creating structure and fear and God 989 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,599 will hurt you if you don't do stuff. And that's 990 00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,960 where it went right boop opsit directions. Later in time, 991 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,199 then the Christians felt threatened by the Gnostics. And I 992 00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:35,079 think this is the time of the knights templar if 993 00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:39,800 I'm correct, yep, And they basically earned every single one 994 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,159 of them at the stake. But yeah, every single one 995 00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:46,280 of them they could play. And the ones that that 996 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,880 still held the teachings, and then there's lots of stories 997 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,199 like the Knights. Templar still holds a lot of those secrets, 998 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,000 you know. And this is what Da vinci Code is about, right, 999 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,679 Like this this Rosicrucians line that's kind of hidden. The 1000 00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:00,800 Templar's hid. They like they put things all over the place, 1001 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,400 you know, they didn't want people to find it. The 1002 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,360 scrolls took how many years to find? Right in the 1003 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,800 in the the deserts of Iraq? 1004 00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,320 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, dead squirrels, the dead sea squirrels. 1005 00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 2: Squirrels. Yeah, but that teaching, you know even today, Like 1006 00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:24,440 I put a gnostic guy who had the only person 1007 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,280 who would answer my call. I did a whole episode 1008 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,039 I was writing for guy at the time, Ancient Civilization 1009 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,639 episode on gnostics and something Graham Hancock was really passionate about. 1010 00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:36,760 And and so I could only find one gnostic person, 1011 00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:40,400 like someone who's actually practicing and published a book to 1012 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,159 come on camera. The guy comes on camera and he 1013 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,440 was lovely amazing. You know, he does all the translations 1014 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,079 what they mean what they meant by the teachings. He's 1015 00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:53,079 about to publish his book. He's like thirty five, and 1016 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,519 the show comes out. He's in the show, and I 1017 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:01,599 get a you know, we send out an email to 1018 00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,360 the family, to the family, to each person saying, hey, 1019 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,079 the show's the shows come out, this is when your 1020 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:07,920 episode will be on. We really thank you for your 1021 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,039 time and any time. 1022 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:09,480 Speaker 1: Sure. 1023 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,920 Speaker 2: I several months later, I get an email from his 1024 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:19,920 mother apparently, and she said, Hey, his name is Graham. 1025 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,760 Graham has been found dead in his bed and I'm 1026 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,159 really sad about it, and and I was wondering if 1027 00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,519 you could help get his book published, because you know, 1028 00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,079 it was right on the brink of being published. And 1029 00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:33,719 then he She's like, it's really weird. We don't know 1030 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,280 why he passed. He's super healthy. Just I just found 1031 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:37,760 him in bed and he was dead, and. 1032 00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. 1033 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,719 Speaker 2: I know. So I think that there's still like a 1034 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,039 there's a fear that the Gnostics might come back and 1035 00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:52,679 like somehow impose their teachings, which have nothing to do 1036 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,000 about anybody or any other religion. They're only about living 1037 00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,239 in harmony with all the things that we're talking about 1038 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,119 and there and there. It's all about living in that 1039 00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:06,599 joyful state forgiveness, which is what Jesus was about. So 1040 00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:10,400 the Gnostics is a dirtier word than a naky, to 1041 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,000 be honest with you. It gets into all sorts of 1042 00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:15,960 secrecy that's been going on for a very long time 1043 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,559 that you can trace back to the Knights Templar and 1044 00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:20,760 all of these secret societies in organizations. 1045 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,280 Speaker 1: So that would be if the Knights Templar, if my 1046 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,079 history serves me correct, we're talking about what four hundred 1047 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:27,800 five hundred a d are on there. 1048 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:34,440 Speaker 2: That's what There's no more Gnostics after that. It's uh yeah, 1049 00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:35,480 it was horrific. 1050 00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,719 Speaker 1: So how did they? So then obviously someone kept the teachings. 1051 00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 2: Someone kept the teaching. They're very secret, like there's I 1052 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,719 found that there was a Gnostic church in la which 1053 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,400 is I was like, hey can I and I want? 1054 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:49,320 Nobody would even talk to me and I don't even 1055 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,880 know who's able to go there. So it's very obviously 1056 00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:57,960 they have a structure. But it's very right. 1057 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: So this is and this is so this is after 1058 01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:03,800 the council and I see you, after the Christians have 1059 01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:06,519 you know, the Romans have put together. This is what 1060 01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:10,719 real Christianity is. Let's see, the villagers are getting restless. 1061 01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:12,840 We got to come up with something to control them. Hey, 1062 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,840 let's put this thing and we'll call it the Roman 1063 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,639 Catholic Church. And and that was that. That and then 1064 01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:21,840 of course the Gnostics were obviously a threat to that 1065 01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:22,960 new order that. 1066 01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:30,800 Speaker 2: We survived until oh god, I'm missing my uh. I 1067 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,880 think a king ordered all of their So we're later 1068 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,280 in history, a king ordered all of their all of 1069 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,599 them to be burned. And I can't remember who it is, 1070 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,679 but that's everything went underground. The scrolls disappeared everything. I mean, 1071 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:48,400 people are still teaching it, but a lot of a 1072 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,519 lot of their teachings ended up in some of these 1073 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,440 other secret organizations that they make all these movies about later, 1074 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,519 the Benhiko, the Rosicrucians and all that kind of stuff. 1075 01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:58,920 They all got to get like parted. 1076 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,280 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 1077 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,599 and now back to the show. Yeah, it's it's fascinating, 1078 01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:15,920 like so much knowledge has been lost throughout history. I mean, 1079 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,000 what they did with the Mayans, and they burned all 1080 01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:22,559 the Mayans knowledge and Alexander the Library of Alexandria, and 1081 01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:25,840 God knows what was in there and all this and 1082 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,079 let's let's not even talk about what's in the Vatican. 1083 01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:33,119 Speaker 2: How much can be able to see? 1084 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 1: How much stuff is in the vaults of the Vatican. 1085 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,360 It's that is I'm sure you would die to get it, 1086 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,519 to just get in there for a few hours, just 1087 01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:44,719 to look around. 1088 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,679 Speaker 2: Bring a sleeping bag and try to hide out like 1089 01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:50,159 in a movie, right right, look at a flashlight around like. 1090 01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:52,039 Speaker 1: An eighties like an eighties movie, and you're a teenager 1091 01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:55,320 all of a sudden, like, hey, this is. 1092 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,000 Speaker 2: Like a new kind of gooties. 1093 01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 1: It's like a new kind of gooness. Can you imagine 1094 01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:06,639 Goody's to Vannikan's vault? That would be amazing. 1095 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,559 Speaker 2: And then what you find is slotht right like the 1096 01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:13,719 characters out there for I don't know how long he's 1097 01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:20,239 he's actually an on an hockey and he's. 1098 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,159 Speaker 1: Actually been very smarter than all of them. That would 1099 01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,519 be amazing. I think we're writing the sequel right now. 1100 01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:27,480 Call Stephen up right now, see if you'll produce it again. 1101 01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:31,920 So tell me about your new movie, Coach twelve. We've 1102 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,280 kind of talked a little bit about it. So can 1103 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,119 you tell everybody what is what is about, what's in it? 1104 01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:38,039 And where can people see it? Yeah? 1105 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,920 Speaker 2: So, CO twelve is a documentary I produced. It just 1106 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:46,239 came out on Amazon, and Code twelve is about the 1107 01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,320 simulation theory, which we talked about a lot in this 1108 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,840 conversation and that new code that I was explaining, like 1109 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,639 there's the code that everybody's been you know, like, Okay, 1110 01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:56,679 this is the program, but who's running the program type 1111 01:02:56,719 --> 01:03:00,519 of thing? And that is this, you know, I call 1112 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,800 the movie Code twelve, and you'll find out if you 1113 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,239 watch the movie. But it also talks about that the 1114 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,400 ancients left behind a way out. They gave us a 1115 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,960 structure they and they gave us clues on how to 1116 01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:15,719 get out of the system. And a lot of that 1117 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:22,199 is a mixture between tuning your body, you get into 1118 01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:25,280 spirituality aspects, but it's also about teaching how the universe 1119 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,800 actually works so you understand what you're breaking out of 1120 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,119 and what your potentiality is. And that's what we really 1121 01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:39,239 discover in Code twelve through ancient texts, computer programmers, scientists, geneticists. 1122 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,159 It was astonishing to me when I got on this 1123 01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:44,559 journey that all these people had the same research that 1124 01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:47,360 I was finding, except they were in their own little wheelhouse. 1125 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,360 They're just looking at DNA, or they're just looking at 1126 01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:53,360 the cosmos, or they're just astrology, or they're just looking 1127 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,599 at this one temple, and they all aligned to the 1128 01:03:56,639 --> 01:03:57,000 same thing. 1129 01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,079 Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. That's the thing I think I I 1130 01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:02,679 love doing as well, is connecting all of the different 1131 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,039 parts of this giant puzzle, because if you're just looking 1132 01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,559 in one corner, it's like the old Indian proverb, like 1133 01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:11,639 you know, the seven blind men holding onto a piece 1134 01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:13,480 of the elephant, and they go, no, the elephants, the trunk, No, 1135 01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:15,719 the elephants to tail. They the elephants, but they don't 1136 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,599 see the full picture. And I think that's what you're 1137 01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:19,840 trying to do with the movie, right. 1138 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think the full picture is where it's 1139 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,239 at now. I think we get so caught in the 1140 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,519 narratives because it speaks to us, and then we feel 1141 01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:28,360 a part of us opening, which is amazing. That's what 1142 01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:32,039 that's what we're this work is about. But it's about 1143 01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:33,840 the big picture. Now. I get a lot of people 1144 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,400 email me about this film and they they they say 1145 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,320 to me, every one of them say, oh my god, 1146 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,760 this made me think of X y Z. Now that's 1147 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,760 not my thoughts, that's their thoughts. I've opened something up 1148 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,639 in them to understand something about themselves, and that is 1149 01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:52,079 the whole point. Whether you believe my theory or not, 1150 01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:55,039 it doesn't matter. What matters is that you gain insight 1151 01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:57,480 on what you're supposed to be doing and how you're connected. 1152 01:04:57,519 --> 01:04:58,320 And that's all it matters. 1153 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful, No, I'm gonna ask a few questions, ask 1154 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,760 all my guests. Okay, what is your definition of living 1155 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,000 a fulfilled life? 1156 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:11,599 Speaker 2: Being joyful, being connected to loved ones, having great relationships. 1157 01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:13,679 Everything else is just conditional. 1158 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,400 Speaker 1: If you had a chance to go back in time 1159 01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:19,039 and speak to little Melissa, what advice would you give her? 1160 01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:22,840 Speaker 2: It's it's all true. Everything you feel is all true. 1161 01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:24,960 Just keep going with it, don't have any doubts. 1162 01:05:25,239 --> 01:05:27,320 Speaker 1: How do you define God or source. 1163 01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:32,559 Speaker 2: Internal universal creation energy? 1164 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:33,400 Speaker 1: What is love? 1165 01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:34,519 Speaker 2: Everything? 1166 01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:40,239 Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life? And where 1167 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,760 can people find out more about you and the work 1168 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:43,719 that you're doing in the world. 1169 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,440 Speaker 2: You can go to our website. I run a production 1170 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,199 company called Hawthorpe Studios ww dot. Hathor studios dot Com. 1171 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,800 There you'll see all new films that we have coming up, 1172 01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:55,239 and we have a new film coming out called Source. 1173 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,239 You can see the trailer there. You can also find 1174 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,679 out more about Code twelve. We'll be doing a summit 1175 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,400 pretty soon where you get to meet some of the 1176 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,199 people in the film. So if you just sign up there, 1177 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,280 we have an email newsletter and we'll give you all 1178 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:10,280 the updates of our stuff. 1179 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,639 Speaker 1: And do you have any parting messages for our audience. 1180 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,519 Speaker 2: Probably the same thing that I would tell little Melissa, 1181 01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:19,440 whatever you're feeling deep down inside, it's all true. Don't 1182 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:20,159 have any doubts. 1183 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,239 Speaker 1: Just go for it, feel it, Melissa, Melissa, thank you 1184 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,920 so much for coming on the show. I could talk 1185 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,239 to you for another hour or two. This is so 1186 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,519 much It was so much fun talking to you, like 1187 01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:33,519 you go down these rabbit holes and you could just 1188 01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:35,599 just on a Naki is an hour alone, you know, 1189 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,800 or the Gnostics are an hour alone, or the Pyramids. 1190 01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:41,920 Speaker 2: Get alive because of the Gnostics, right for the true simulations. 1191 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, my dear. Thanks again. 1192 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,119 Speaker 2: All right, take care, thank you. 1193 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. 1194 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,119 If you feel called to explore this conversation further. 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