WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:01.720 It's nice size We've did. 2 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:06.480 Ray I'm going you Mazy Boston's News Radio. Thank you 3 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:09.199 very much, Madison. Hope you have a nice weekend. Hope 4 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:12.919 everyone has a great weekend. As the weather we hope 5 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:17.519 will improve throughout the weekend. It's better today than it 6 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:21.160 was yesterday. Hopefully better tomorrow, even better on Sunday and Monday. 7 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:24.640 Happy Memorial Day weekend. Hope everyone takes a moment this 8 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:28.000 weekend to perhaps remember someone who served, or someone who 9 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:33.799 served and never returned home, who basically gave everything for 10 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:36.039 the defense of this nation. My name is Dan ray 11 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.039 I the host of Nightside, heard every weeknight right here 12 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:42.520 on WBS, Boston's News Radio. And we are going to 13 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:47.079 begin our program as we do every night here at 14 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.439 eight o'clock, and we're going to talk with well not 15 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.759 every night with Bruce Percilla, but we start with four 16 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:58.000 guests who provide information about events and developments that we 17 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:01.200 all should be aware of. And welcome Bruce personally back 18 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:04.319 to Knightside. Bruce is the chair of the Edward M. 19 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:08.079 Kennedy Institute for the United States Senate. Hi Bruce Ider said, 20 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:09.799 you just got off an airplane. How are you I'm 21 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:11.200 glad the plane landed on time. 22 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:14.680 It didn't take off on time, but it did land 23 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:15.159 on time. 24 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.040 Well, you you would have had a sweat. I'm glad 25 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:21.680 I didn't know that in advance. So there is what 26 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:25.879 we call the Senate Project Series at the EMK Institute 27 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:29.400 for the US Senate, and this is it's first of all, 28 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:33.480 it's a great facility out by the Kennedy Library of 29 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:35.840 Maybe someday we'll say that Kennedy Library is near the 30 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:40.159 EMK Institute for the US Senate. Why don't you describe it, 31 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:42.040 because there may be some people in my audience who 32 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:46.079 are unaware that we have the actual life size replica 33 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:48.840 of the United States Senate, which we can visit here 34 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:50.959 in Boston and don't have to go all the way 35 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:54.560 to Washington, DC. Let's talk about the facility itself and 36 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:56.560 then we'll talk about the program. 37 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:03.959 Yeah, it's pretty remarkable. We have one of two US 38 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.719 Senate chambers in the world, and one obviously is in Washington, 39 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:12.960 but ours is an exact replica. And when we have 40 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:18.120 a former or sitting US Senators come to our facility, 41 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:22.360 they walk in and invariably they pause and they look 42 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.639 there and they're they're in disbelief because it is exact, 43 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:29.680 and it is It's definitely worth a trip, particularly if 44 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:34.439 you're going to the JFK Library. This is it's quite 45 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.639 a site, and we have a this is one hundred 46 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.159 million dollar building. This is a this is a very 47 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:43.599 elaborate facility and it's a great asset for the city. 48 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.680 I'd be honor hosting an event with Inton Sharansky several 49 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:51.039 years ago at the at the e MK Institute. It 50 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:53.759 is an impressive building. So this event that is coming 51 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.439 up on Monday, June second, not this coming Monday, but 52 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.439 a week from Monday, is at nine o'clock in the morning, 53 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:05.000 and it is going to feature the sixth presentation of 54 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:09.479 a couple of senators, often a senator from each party. 55 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:13.599 So far we've gone through, you've gone through about twelve senators, 56 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:15.879 and this is the first time you will have two 57 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.560 US Senators from the state from the same state. And 58 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:22.599 in this case we're talking about two Senators, John Fetterman, 59 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:26.520 a Democrat from Pennsylvania and David McCormick, a Republican from Pennsylvania. 60 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.599 What will be discussed on Monday morning, June second, at 61 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:32.599 nine o'clock. 62 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:37.840 Well, just really quick background. The Senate Project is designed 63 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:43.879 to get right leaning, left leaning or Democrat and Republican 64 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:50.520 sitting senators in debate and the goal is to create 65 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:55.800 dialogue and reach common ground. And our partners the Hats 66 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:00.360 Foundation in Utah, because Arn Hatch and Ted Kennedy this 67 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:05.159 very strange relationship that turned into a very deep friendship. 68 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:09.759 And what we are all about is bipartisanship. One would 69 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:14.080 think that a building named Kennedy and Boston houses a 70 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:18.199 heavily left leaning organization. That is not the case. We 71 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:22.240 are absolutely a bipartisan We have eight US Senators former 72 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:26.279 US centators on our board for Republicans, four Democrats. We 73 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:31.720 have a serious maga Republican on our board, and so 74 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:38.319 we are all about balance and the debate or the discussion. Actually, 75 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:42.600 I think it's going to be more that with John 76 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:46.399 Fetterman and David McCormick. 77 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:54.839 Yeah, it's kind of important because of all the controversy 78 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:57.720 around Center Fetterman. 79 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:06.199 There there was a very in depth and critical article 80 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:11.439 in New York Magazine that suggested he was not fit 81 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:17.959 to serve. There are many who are suggesting that perhaps 82 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:23.480 the Democrats are trying to undermine center Fetterman because he 83 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:28.079 is has shown a proclivity to vote on both sides, 84 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:32.160 and there's a lot of questions about him. He has 85 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:36.000 not had a major appearance like this since that article 86 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:41.160 was written, so it adds to the interest in this event. 87 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:47.360 But both senators are bipartisan, both respect each other, both 88 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:52.160 have differences, and those will be aired at the Institute 89 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.560 in a live debate which will be broadcast by Fox 90 00:05:56.199 --> 00:06:01.439 and moderated by Shannon Breem who will and this will 91 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:05.759 be aired on Fox a number of times next week 92 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:07.480 and on their live stream. 93 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:12.000 Now, is this event Monday morning? Is this open to 94 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.240 the public? I know the media is invited to cover it, 95 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:19.079 but is there an opportunities? 96 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:24.360 Unfortunately, unfortunate, it's not because we only have one hundred 97 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:27.480 seats on our Senate floor, as you can imagine, and 98 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.959 it's a replica, you know, the of the Senate, So 99 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:36.720 we we have specific people who will be attending. But 100 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:40.480 it is not open to the public. However, it will be. 101 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:46.000 It will be live streamed on our website and it 102 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.079 will be available on Fox throughout the week. 103 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:54.439 Now, certainly, John Fetterman is a senator cut from a 104 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.720 different cloth literally. 105 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.120 And secretively. 106 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:00.000 Thank you. 107 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:01.800 That's a great line. 108 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:04.360 Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Every once in 109 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:09.920 a while a blind squirrel finds in none. But you know, 110 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.279 he has shown a level of independence which I think 111 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:18.000 is discomforted some in the Democratic Party. McCormick is more 112 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:22.560 of a I guess what you'd call a Northern Republican senator, 113 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.519 maybe not quite cut in the mold of Arl in Spector, 114 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:29.800 but probably not necessarily what you would think of as 115 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.519 a mega senator. So it should be really interesting exchange. 116 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:38.480 I don't know if there's any particular issue in Pennsylvania, 117 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.560 whether it's the coal industry or or you know, alternative 118 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:46.040 forms of energy which will be discussed. Any idea about 119 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.439 what sort of topics will be broached. I mean, I 120 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:54.639 would love to put together the talking points for this conversation, 121 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:56.519 because I think the two of them would be a 122 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:01.279 whole bunch of Pennsylvania centric and North Eastern centric topic 123 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.360 talking points would be would be possible. 124 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:08.199 Yeah, I mean, they will talk about the economy. They 125 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.680 will uh, they will absolutely talk about the impact of 126 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:18.240 of terrorists and uh, the Pennsylvania has a lot of 127 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:21.480 manufacturing and the question is will we be able to 128 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:29.120 onshore in to to offset the impacts of the terroriffs. Uh. 129 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:32.960 They have a very different view on the on the 130 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:37.320 big beautiful tax build that, and so they have a 131 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.120 very different view of that. They have very different view 132 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.600 on labor. I think they have a similar view on 133 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:49.320 on on Israel. And I think that and that has 134 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:53.639 you know, been somewhat controversial on the Democratic side. But 135 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:58.840 it's very interesting because a lot of the press and 136 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:03.879 and a lot of the discussion about Fetterman has come 137 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:11.200 from the Democrats. And the word that we hear is that, 138 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:16.279 you know, John Fetterman is a different kind of character. 139 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:19.279 But he was like that when he was elected. It 140 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.320 was just it was just that at that time the 141 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:26.360 Democrats assumed he was going to vote in lockstep. And 142 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:29.799 he is not. And all of a sudden his perception 143 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.919 has changed. And we're going to find out whether uh, 144 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:37.279 you know, whether his uh he had a stroke and 145 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:40.320 it did have some impact on him, but whether he 146 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:43.679 is fit to serve or he is not. And that 147 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:49.240 is what will make this event I think particularly interesting. 148 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.600 Yeah, well, I think he is fit to serve. He's 149 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.080 sort of a I think is because has morphed into 150 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:57.360 kind of a Joe Mannion, a Democrat from his from 151 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.879 the neighboring state, Bruce Persley, thank you so much for 152 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:06.120 home getting here in time, remotely getting your plan on 153 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:09.639 the ground and keep us posted. It's a great institute, 154 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:12.919 the Edward M. Kennedy Institute for the United States Senate. 155 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:15.559 And I think that Senator Kennedy, where he alive today, 156 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:20.360 would be very proud of what this institute has transformed into. 157 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:22.840 And I really appreciate you taking the time tonight. 158 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:24.639 Thank you so much, Thanks much. 159 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.240 Talk again, thank you very much. When we get back. 160 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:30.960 We're going to talk about something that is probably more 161 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.960 has a broader appeal maybe than an Oxford type debate 162 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:42.759 at the Kennedy Institute. Hamburgers, the history of Hamburgers, where 163 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:44.799 hamburgers have come from. We're going to talk with a 164 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:47.960 very interesting guest. My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside. 165 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.240 We will also talk later on tonight about Minni's with 166 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:55.720 a mission, little mini horses and little minie donkeys and 167 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:58.120 they are cute as anything. But will also talk with 168 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.679 a reporter from Tennessee about the one hundredth anniversary of 169 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:06.600 the Grand Old Opry. Country music reporter Marcus Dowling with 170 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:08.759 a great newspaper down there called The Tennessee. And so 171 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.799 we have wats to talk about. And then coming up 172 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.519 at nine o'clock, we'll be interviewing Frank Baker, longtime Boston 173 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.600 City councilor who stepped away from the council a couple 174 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.159 of years ago, and he's about to step back onto 175 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.879 the political scene. We'll talk about that, and we'll talk 176 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:30.080 about Donald Trump's seeming ongoing and never ending battles with 177 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:35.039 Harvard and why he is spending so much time focused 178 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.320 on Harvard. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside. We'll 179 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.399 be back right after this quick break. 180 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:46.519 Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio. 181 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.759 Delighted to be joined by Chris Carosa, a Hamburger historian 182 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:55.159 and author of Hamburger Dreams. I Love Hamburger's. How classic 183 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:59.519 crime solving techniques helped crack the case of America's greatest 184 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:04.399 culinary culinary mystery. Chris Carrosa, that is a long title 185 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:05.440 for a book. How are you? 186 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:08.799 I'm good? How are you? 187 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.039 I'm doing just great? So you have spent a lot 188 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.600 of time looking into Hamburgers. I always assumed they were 189 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:21.799 a product that was developed in a city called Hamburg, Germany. 190 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:22.759 I guess I was wrong. 191 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.000 Yeah, you and and even McDonald's was wrong. At one point, 192 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:32.600 Ray Kroc sent a vice president of McDonald's to Hamburg, 193 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:36.799 Germany with a certificate saying thanks for being the Hamburger. 194 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.360 And Mayer looked at the certificate that said, we didn't 195 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:43.159 do it. You guys did it in America. So how 196 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.519 did you? 197 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:48.559 So? What prompted you other than a love for a 198 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.960 good hamburger? And by the way, even though it's bad 199 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.480 weather up here in New England and cold and rainy, 200 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:59.279 there'll be a lot of Hamburgs grilled around New England 201 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.840 this this this holiday weekend, the start of summer, the 202 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.320 unofficial start of summer. What got you interested in this? 203 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.440 I mean, you are a Hamburger historian. 204 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:14.159 Well, I didn't start off as a Hamburger historian. I 205 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:18.720 actually started off as an astrophysicist. And I well. 206 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.320 I think those are fairly similar. To be really honest 207 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.840 with you, Chris, I mean it's the same level of intellect. 208 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:28.159 I think. Tell us about it. 209 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:33.000 I was I had room to take another class, and 210 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:36.120 my classmates convinced me to take a class about the 211 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:39.039 study of the city. They were architects, and they thought 212 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:42.120 it would be fun, and they sold me on the idea. 213 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.919 And they said, there's no final exam, you just have 214 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.759 to write the biography of the city you were born in. 215 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:50.720 I was born in Buffalo, New York, and as I 216 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.320 was researching, I came across an old newspaper article that 217 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:55.879 said the hamburger was invented. 218 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:56.879 There knew that. 219 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:59.399 So I ran down and I talked to one of 220 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:02.240 my classmates and it's very excitedly and I said, hey, 221 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.120 the hamburger was born in Buffalo. He says, no, it wasn't. 222 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.519 It was made right here in New Haven, Connecticut. And 223 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.200 he promptly took me to Louis Lunch and I had 224 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.120 Hamburger there, and so I said, okay, well that was 225 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:16.480 a start, and I learned that since then there were 226 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:21.919 several other Hamburger origin stories, and I decided at one point, 227 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.960 since people seem to be interested when I would talk 228 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.919 about this, I just figure it out. I'd become the 229 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:33.440 Hamburger sleuth, the detective that tried to solve this classic 230 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:36.279 cold case of who sold the first Hamburger. 231 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:39.759 So I don't want to give away the ending here 232 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:43.879 but it sounds to me like maybe there are several 233 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:47.320 communities who have a legitimate claim. How did you discern 234 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:50.480 which one had the most legitimate claim? 235 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.679 Well, it was next two step process. So first I 236 00:14:54.840 --> 00:15:00.120 was Sherlock Holmes. Sherlock Holmes says, eliminate the impossible. All 237 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.519 these stories have dates associated with them. So the first 238 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.399 thing I did is I went to old newspaper articles 239 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:09.960 to find the first mention of what was then called 240 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:14.279 a Hamburg sandwich, and anything that occurred after that date, 241 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:18.679 any origin story that started after that date, was obviously eliminated. 242 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:21.639 Then I took that hat off and put on my 243 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:25.799 CSI hat, and I had to look into forensics to 244 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:31.120 try to determine which ballot, And for that I picked 245 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:34.000 a part the facts that each story had, and then 246 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:37.759 I tried to arrange them in a way so that 247 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:42.559 they could be proven or disproven feriary data. So again 248 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.600 I went to the newspaper articles around those dates where 249 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:49.559 that story was supposed to have happened to determine whether 250 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:51.360 or not that story could have been true. 251 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:55.759 So here's a little bit easier. It dropped out of 252 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:57.919 me there for a second. Let me let me I 253 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.320 hate to do this to you, but you are connection 254 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.399 you dropped on me. Are you looking at microfiche newspapers 255 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:08.440 or are you figuring this out by googling on computers, 256 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:12.480 Because there's probably a lot of newspapers that have not 257 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:17.600 been transposed in stories from microfiest to the internet. 258 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.799 So there are a lot of newspapers that are online 259 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.879 in several different databases. Okay, and they were originally microfiche, 260 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.039 which is a different problem because the quality is not 261 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.159 that good. So I'm doing research now in a totally 262 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:38.320 different topic and it's unreadable. It's unreadable, so that's too 263 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.919 bad because they usually destroyed the newspapers after they'd converted 264 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.039 to the microfies. But it's it is. You can get 265 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:47.879 access to a lot of newspapers. The ones you can't. 266 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:49.919 You do have to go and look at the physical 267 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:51.480 copies wherever they are. 268 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:57.320 Okay. So the book, the book is Hamburger Dreams, The 269 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:01.639 True Story of the Origin of the Hamburgh I Gimberger 270 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:05.039 history expert Chris Carosa. I don't want you to give 271 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.759 away the ending, but is there a definitive ending? 272 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:14.759 There is no, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong 273 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.640 that the Hamburgers were sold I might as well tell 274 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:22.400 you on Friday September eighteenth, eighteen eighty five, at the 275 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.440 Erie County Fair just out Buffalo. 276 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:29.079 So not only did you set out on this, but 277 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:34.079 you came up with a conclusion that probably coincided. Happily, 278 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:37.960 it was a happy, happy coincidence with your own origin 279 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.839 story Buffalo, New York. That's great, Well, that ends well. 280 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:43.839 The amazing thing is I never heard about it well 281 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.079 when I was there, so well. 282 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.599 Everybody can hear about it now. The book is out, 283 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:51.200 I assume, and it's available Amazon. Do you have a 284 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:52.400 website you'd like to plug? 285 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:55.799 Sure, you can go to Hamburger Dreams dot com and 286 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.559 it'll tell you the latest that I've been finding out 287 00:17:58.599 --> 00:17:59.519 about the hamburgers. 288 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.920 Perfect Chris Corossa, Chris, thanks very much. I really enjoyed 289 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:08.319 the conversation. I consider myself something of a hamburger connoisseur 290 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:10.839 because frankly, it's the only thing I'm able to cook 291 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:18.079 on a grill, and I do like hamburgers. Lots of ketchup, 292 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:25.319 lots lots of relish, mustard, tomato slices, slice of cheese, 293 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:29.480 everything with the hamburger. Are you just a plain Hamburger guy. 294 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.200 I'm assuming you're more of a purist. 295 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.359 No, I'm I'm not playing hammer. I just don't. I 296 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:37.400 don't like putting cheese on it, but I like putting 297 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:39.960 that other stuff on it. I do like putting lots 298 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:43.000 of spices in my hammergroup, because as an Italian, I 299 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:44.240 guess that's just the way it is. 300 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.319 Yeah, I do purple onion. I do purple onion and 301 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.960 pumperinnakle rye bread to kind of beef it up. It's good. 302 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:56.480 It's a good burger. Chris Carosa, Thanks very much. We'll 303 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:59.319 get you on again sometime. Thank you. I enjoyed this 304 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:01.920 conversation a lot. Happy Memorial Day. 305 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.759 Happy Memorial Day to you too. Thanks thanks Chris. Chris 306 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:08.799 crosa Hamburger historian. When we get back, we when we 307 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:12.200 talk about a really neat program that is available here 308 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:17.000 in Massachusetts. It's called Minis with a Mission. We've talked 309 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.599 about it before, but I think particularly as we move 310 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.000 into the summer, it's good to talk about it. Tonight, 311 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:25.119 We're going to have Justin Green with us on the 312 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:26.920 other side of the break in a little bit. Later on, 313 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.319 I'm going to talk about the one hundredth anniversary of 314 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.440 the grand old Operator. Back on night Side right after this. 315 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:34.799 And by the way, I want to encourage you if 316 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:40.079 you haven't gotten the brand new, new and improved iHeart 317 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.680 app get it down on all of your devices. Make 318 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:45.359 us your first preset, so. 319 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.960 WBZ will only be a fingertip away on whatever device 320 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:52.880 you have wherever you are in the world at any 321 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:55.599 given point. My name's Dan Ray. I'll be right back. 322 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:56.400 Stay right there. 323 00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:59.599 You're on night Side with Dan Ray. 324 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:02.440 Radio. 325 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.400 Well, we have interviewed this gentleman before. His name is 326 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:09.519 Justin Green. Justin Green, Welcome back to Nightside. How are you? 327 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.519 Thank you so much Stan for having me on again. 328 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:13.480 This is wonderful. 329 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:13.920 Yeah. 330 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:19.559 Now I know that you are really invested emotionally in 331 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.599 all sorts of ways in this program with which is 332 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:28.240 called Minis with a Mission. Now, let's let's explain to 333 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:31.359 people exactly what Minis with a Mission is. 334 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.920 Sir. Mini Mission is a nonprofit It's based in Ipswich 335 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:42.279 and in Newbery. It's miniature donkeys and miniature horses and 336 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:46.799 the simple goal is the dread happiness. They go to 337 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:53.799 senior centers, they go to school, elementary and high schools 338 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:58.359 and they go to the College Salem State. The first 339 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.880 day of school, they bring the milture horses and miniature 340 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:06.000 donkeys to the fair class to help ease the stresses 341 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:10.839 of some of the new students. And it's really Yeah, 342 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.559 that's the main goal is the donkeys and horses love to. 343 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:19.839 Be So how long has Minis with a Mission been around? 344 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:21.799 Has it been around a while? And how did it 345 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:23.839 start it? Uh? 346 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:30.000 We we had a program called Equine Rescue and that 347 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:36.400 saved horses and donkeys from slaughterhouses. And then the too, 348 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:41.440 Mary Ann and Laurie, they've both got donkeys and miniature 349 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.119 horses and they opened up their own program Minis with 350 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.279 the Mission and they just wanted to show people that 351 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:54.640 miniature horses can really make people feel better about themselves, 352 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:59.440 like being happiness. And that role was blood pressure and I. 353 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:02.640 Think all of need need a blood pressure lowered occasionally. 354 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:04.759 So how long has it been around? 355 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:08.400 Has it been around for I'd say about ten years? 356 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:12.519 Ten years? Okay? And where do the horses? You said 357 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:16.000 that they're up in the Newburyport area if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, 358 00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:23.319 the Newberry and okay, and they it's stationed on a 359 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:25.000 farm or two up there. 360 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:28.359 I mean they're the Mitchell horses are out of state 361 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:35.839 in a stable. Mister donkeys are Actually the woman who 362 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.759 lives in Newberry has a lucky enough to have a 363 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.839 very big backyard and a barn sized garage, and the 364 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:44.440 donkeys live in a backyard. 365 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:50.680 Okay, And how old are these When you think about horses, 366 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:53.480 you think about they, I think horses live like twenty 367 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:57.119 years or so. How old are these little guys. 368 00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:58.400 Tough on that? 369 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:03.279 Uh, he's a senior statesman, he's about twenty seven. Who 370 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.640 and and we we thought, and we thought Romeo, who's 371 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:12.279 now about eight or nine, we thought he's been boyfriends 372 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:16.960 with Pixie, who's a young six year old. But Romeo 373 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:22.599 enjoys eating grass more than uh relations, and more than 374 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:28.799 having fun with Pixie. So now has Puffinutter has because 375 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:31.000 he has a young girlfriend Pixie. 376 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:35.400 And yeah, kind of like Bill Belichick. Actually, when you 377 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:36.200 think about. 378 00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:41.200 It, yes, fluff is first and uh yeah, but yes, 379 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:46.319 pluff pluffs. He's wonderful. He's a white, he's white, hence 380 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:49.759 the name Flufferutter. And we paint him and like the 381 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.559 Gay Pride Week, he gets the rainbow colors on him 382 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.480 and Saint Patrick's dage, he gets green and on the 383 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:58.359 fourth of July he'll be red. 384 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:00.960 Red and blue was gonna get red. Fuing flow. So 385 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:04.319 now the question that I'm sure a lot of people 386 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.559 are going to have is how far do the minis 387 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:12.640 with a mission travel? Because I know that you visit, 388 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:16.440 they visit, you know, some elderly communities, they have some 389 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.880 retirement communities. You mentioned some schools. 390 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.599 What they like to keep it. They like to keep 391 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.519 it under an hour because the driving kind of tires 392 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:31.519 them out. I'm lucky enough to come to Newton, but 393 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:36.240 if the need advises, they've gone all the way to Blockton. 394 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:40.200 Because there was a World War two that was near unfortunately, 395 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:43.680 was near death, and his goal was to see a 396 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:48.400 donkey from the re live his childhood. So the Minis 397 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.480 with the mission stepped up to the plate and they 398 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.440 drove all the way to Brockton. And he loved it, 399 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.720 and he died a week later. He did die with 400 00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:02.680 a smile, because you really love hanging out with the donkeys. 401 00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:05.200