WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:04.080 All right, what's going on? Ride time? Thursday afternoon, rainy 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:07.200 and cold, snow was falling up in the mountains. I 3 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:09.000 know a lot of people have been waiting for that. 4 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.119 Winter's on its way. You can feel it today. If 5 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:15.080 you're like me, you've enjoyed our mild fall. But it 6 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:18.600 is getting to be late October, so chilly, rainy day outside, 7 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:20.039 and as it is every day, it's going to have 8 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:22.120 you along for the ride. Spence check, it's beyond the mic. 9 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:25.600 That's Porta Larson behind the glass. We're back in studio 10 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:28.000 after being out in about the last couple of days 11 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:31.160 with our friends at the Dish Professionals and then at 12 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.200 Bar actually yesterday. We're gonna be out with our friends 13 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:36.200 at the Snowmobile Expo on Friday, and then after the 14 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:39.840 show join us at Overtime Cards and Collectibles or a 15 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:42.920 very special event. Logan Cooley from the Utah Hockey Club 16 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:45.719 is going to be signing in autographs for fans at 17 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:49.039 Overtime Cards and Collectibles. The station's gonna be out there 18 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:51.920 from about five to seven, so come on buy say 19 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.479 hi to Scott Mitchell, Logan Cooley. I'll be out there 20 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:57.240 as well, and check out the great trading cards for 21 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:00.719 all your favorite athletes. Check them out online time Cards 22 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.039 and Collectibles dot Com where you can buy and trade. 23 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:05.120 We'll be out at their new location out in Sandy, 24 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:08.400 so come on out and join us. Happy Thursday. One 25 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:11.239 day closer of the weekend, we get a little NFL 26 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.680 football tonight. Don't know if this is gonna be a 27 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:17.079 great game. It's the Broncos and the Saints. The Saints 28 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:20.480 are badly injured. It's at the super Dome down in 29 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:23.079 New Orleans, Denver's a three point favorite and the over 30 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.879 under thirty seven point five. Not a lot of points 31 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:28.840 tonight in the Big Easy, but you do get some 32 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:31.879 pro football. You can listen to that on this station 33 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:35.480 after we say it out about six o'clock. Ball Baseball 34 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:39.719 playoff Baseball has been great tonight. The Yankees and the 35 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:42.879 Guardians from Progressive Field in Cleveland. The Guardians trying to 36 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:44.799 get back in that series. The Yanks took the first 37 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:47.920 couple of games. Mets fighting for their lives now down 38 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:50.799 two to one after being blank yesterday. That's a series 39 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:54.000 goes to Cityfield and Queens, where the Mets will host 40 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:57.879 the Dodgers. One day closer to a massive college football 41 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:02.000 weekend both locally and nationally. Utah trying to get right 42 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:05.280 against TCU Saturday night here in Salt Lake. We'll get 43 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:06.959 you ready for that game. We'll talk a lot about 44 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.479 that game today. As we sit here today, Utah is 45 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:13.319 a three point five point favorite. That line has moved 46 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.479 four separate times in the way of TCU. Opened up 47 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.639 as a seven point favorite for the Utes. It's now 48 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:22.120 three point five and Utah badly in need of a win. 49 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.400 There's your hot take. On a Thursday, Brigham Young tries 50 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:28.560 to stay undefeated. Friday night in Provos, Oklahoma State is 51 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:31.919 in town, potentially the most disappointing team in the Big twelve. 52 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:35.800 BYU is a nine point favorite as we sit here today. 53 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.120 It was up to nine and a half yesterday. Now 54 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:40.319 it's back down at nine, open at eight and a half. 55 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.280 That's a late kick eight fifteen in Provo on Friday 56 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.639 night at both Utah and BYU, because they're not in 57 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.280 the SEC or the Big Ten, we'll play late games 58 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.639 on Friday and Saturday. Utah State welcomes in Bronco, Menenhall 59 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:57.319 and New Mexico. The Aggies have been trucked and have 60 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:01.560 lost five straight games, but football on its way. We're 61 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.479 pretty much halfway home for the most part for most teams, 62 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:07.520 and we'll get into some of the bigger national storylines 63 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.599 on the show today as well. The Utah Jazz will 64 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.759 wrap up their preseason schedule with a Friday tilt in 65 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:18.240 Portland's before starting the season for real next week against Memphis. 66 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:22.240 The Athletic has done a really, really good five part 67 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:25.879 series on the current state of the NBA. They released 68 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:28.080 four of them. I think they're going to release the 69 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:31.599 fifth tomorrow, and some interesting things about the new collective 70 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:35.159 bargaining agreement, what means for markets like Salt Lake and 71 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.680 Adam Silver's quest to bring parody to pro basketball the 72 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.199 way they have it in pro football. We're going to 73 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:41.919 get into that today because we do need to talk 74 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:45.080 a little Jazz on the program. Is the NBA is 75 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:47.680 a pop on us. It'll start next week. RSL back 76 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:51.199 at action on Saturday, taking on Vancouver. With a win, 77 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:55.159 RSL will set a single season point record for the club, 78 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:57.800 so obviously pulling for them. The Utah Hockey Club, we 79 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.120 have so much going on right now. Utah Hockey Club 80 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:05.680 had to fly across country. Usually if you go from 81 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.800 New York to California. In pro sports, you have the 82 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.319 opportunity to stop once, but not for the Utah Hockey Club. 83 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.800 And after a three and oh start, they now have 84 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.920 one loss, two losses in a row. They're three and 85 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:20.959 two overall five to four, though they continue to score 86 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.199 a lot of goals. And we'll get to as much 87 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:25.360 as we can with the Utah Hockey Club today, Good guest, 88 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.680 listen on a Thursday afternoon, we've moved some things around. 89 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.839 Usually Gordon Mountson, Craig Bowlerjack Live and Studio both will 90 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.759 be over the phone today. Gordon will start us off 91 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:38.279 at two thirty. Craig joins us free Chris Comrodnie from 92 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:40.920 The Athletic Live and Studio for an hour scited for that. 93 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.519 We'll talk mostly college football, but we'll bounce around get 94 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:48.160 to some other topics as well. Chris was recently hunting 95 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:52.199 for feral pigs in Hawaii with Trevor Riley. Yeah, that's 96 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.839 a real thing. Bringing our friends at Sports Court. Then 97 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:57.160 after five o'clock we'll kind of reset some things with 98 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.000 the drive at five, so busy show on a Thursday 99 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.040 day afternoon. Gordon Montson, Craig Bowler, Jack, Chris com, Ronnie, 100 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:05.519 the Spence Checkets, all of you, the great listeners, and 101 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:09.000 that guy with a mustache and no beard. Every day 102 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:11.360 I walk in here and I think like, I'm gonna 103 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.839 have to grow a mustache. Feels like everybody's growing a mustache. 104 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:16.800 I think you should. I think you should. 105 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.920 It's it's not a bad idea, it does seem like 106 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:23.600 it's It's kind of jumped the shark a little bit, though, 107 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.800 like we're in the twenties or something again with the mustaches. 108 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.759 But hey, I'm I'm guilty of it, so I can't complain. 109 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:32.199 I'm also forty six, and I feel like I feel 110 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:34.160 like if I grew a mustache, my friends would be like, 111 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.319 you're trying to look like you're in your twenties. Don't 112 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:38.040 do that. Yeah, I don't want to be that guy 113 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:39.959 that tries to look younger than he is. That's fair. 114 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:42.279 Of all of all the stuff that's going on right now, 115 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.959 what is grasping your attention the most? Ah Man. 116 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:50.319 I don't veer far from college football when it's when 117 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:55.480 it's fall time, but it's hard to not be somewhat 118 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:59.600 distracted by all the busyness in the Sports World here locally. 119 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.319 So you you you mentioned it. 120 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:05.560 It's it's fun for me as a very much a 121 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:08.120 novice when it comes to hockey, like my hockey knowledge 122 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:11.279 Spence is playing the game on PlayStation two back in 123 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.639 the day, so fun. It was kind of the same 124 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:18.199 way with me with FIFA and and the hockey games. 125 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:20.399 The video games are really fun. So I got to 126 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:22.639 learn a little bit about the sport, but I have 127 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.959 no knowledge of the actual leagues, the players I'm I'm 128 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:29.560 learning now and that's been really fun. Of course RSL 129 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.120 and the playoff Push. I'm a I'm a huge fan 130 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.040 of Pablo Mastruenny and that crew, and I think that 131 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:38.560 he has a way of changing gears a little bit 132 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:41.639 when postseasons on the line, regardless of who's in the 133 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:44.240 locker room. He's proven he has that ability, so I'm 134 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.600 excited to see that forthcoming. And then of obviously as 135 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.319 a Mets fan, man, I've been kind of like anxiously 136 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:55.199 shaking U the last few days. I know it's not healthy. 137 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:59.639 I shouldn't let a sports team affect me in that way. Man, 138 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:02.759 I've got better, But as you just said, it's with 139 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:09.959 playoff Baseball, man, the amount of anything that rides on 140 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.839 one single pitch, one single swing at the bat. It's 141 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.480 just different than a lot of sports, and yet it 142 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.560 gets me going. That's probably my main distraction from college 143 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:19.279 football to the moment. 144 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.360 I'm glad you played that hockey video game. But during 145 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.519 the break you need to Google search NHL ninety four 146 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:28.639 Sega Genesis. That's the hockey game and that's a shout 147 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:30.839 out to my fellow jed xers. You probably played that 148 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.240 if you're of a certain age. All right, Gordon Monson, 149 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:35.160 our first guest today on a Thursday, right out of 150 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.959 the gates. But before we get to Gordo, courtesy of 151 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:41.839 our good friends at Standard Restaurant Supply, it's your tailgate headquarters. 152 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:44.160 We have three Utah home games left. Make sure your 153 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:47.360 tailgate is ready to roll. Check them out Standard Restaurant 154 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.800 dot com or thirty five hundred south West Temple On 155 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:52.720 a Thursday, it's time now for your opening tip. 156 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.600 Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check it's on Utah's 157 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.920 number one sports talk. Now into the studio of Yes 158 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.279 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 159 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.240 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 160 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:08.639 Standard restaurant supply, your one stop shop to build the 161 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:13.360 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply, thirty five hundred 162 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:14.360 Southwest Temple. 163 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.439 All Right, College football ahead NFL tonight, you can hear 164 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:23.319 the Thursday night game here on this radio station. I 165 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.240 have to promote it, even though it's the Broncos and 166 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:28.360 the Saints. But let's look ahead to the Friday night 167 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.439 till Oklahoma State BYU. Then of course the Saturday till 168 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.080 with Utah and TCU. Of course we'll start with the Utes. 169 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.720 The big storyline this week continues to be the change 170 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.759 at quarterback, because everybody wants to talk about the quarterback 171 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:43.519 and everybody wants to know what's next and what it's 172 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:45.960 going to look like. And you know, at this point 173 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.919 we've kind of really beat this topic over the head. 174 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:51.879 But every day it seems like somebody of note chimes 175 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:54.799 in on what Cam Rising should or should not do 176 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:56.879 at the end of the season. So we have to 177 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.279 table it for now. We just simply don't know because 178 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:01.320 now we have to see what sort of hand Utah 179 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.840 has been dealt with Isaac Wilson. And I will repeat 180 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.600 what I have been saying, which is, to me, this 181 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:09.080 is like a clean slate for Isaac. It hasn't been 182 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.480 great so far. It's been about what you would expect 183 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.159 from an eighteen year old. It enrolled in school in April. 184 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:18.039 Been some moments, for sure, but too many interceptions, and 185 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.840 ultimately he needs to be better with his decision making. 186 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.360 But more than anything else, Utah has to rally around 187 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.399 this kid and probably start playing more in the image 188 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.159 of who their head coach is, because the fact of 189 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.600 the matter is they have been able to run the football. 190 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.279 Mackai Bernard one of the top two or three backs 191 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:36.799 in the entire Big Twelve, proving that nobody knew anything 192 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:40.039 about this Utah football team. But the offensive line, while young, 193 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:42.600 has settled in and we'll get back to them in 194 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:46.159 a moment now. TCU, the opponent on Saturday so far 195 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.720 this season, has not been able to stop the run 196 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.519 at all. They're okay against the past. But my guess 197 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.399 is going to be with all the attention on Isaac 198 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:56.559 Wilson and all the attention on how he's going to 199 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.279 look now that he has job security and he doesn't 200 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:02.279 have to look over a shoulder, and as Mackay himself 201 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.279 said to the media this week, they no longer are 202 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:08.200 preparing two game plans, which is not a great formula, 203 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:10.679 even though it was kind of a mandate out of 204 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:14.480 necessity because you want Cameron back. You hope he comes back, 205 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.279 so you understand that you plan for it because that's 206 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:20.600 the preferred situation. But now that's off the table, and 207 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.200 so it's all about Isaac Wilson. It's all about what 208 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.200 he's going to look like under center. But certainly the 209 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.759 success of this team cannot be placed on the shoulders 210 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:32.039 of an eighteen year old. So I still have tremendous 211 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:35.559 faith in what this team can ultimately be. And honestly, 212 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.720 some of the defensive numbers are a little bit cloudy 213 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:42.200 in my opinion, because statistically Utah is still a top 214 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.799 twenty defense, but they haven't been great against the run. 215 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.840 Or is it a scenario where last week this essentially 216 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:53.399 allowed Skataboo two massive, big play chunk runs, you know, 217 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:56.279 and ultimately you can't give up those big plays. You know. 218 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.919 Ohio State learned that last weekending it'inst Oregon. You know, 219 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.200 seven point five year yards per play for the Ducks. 220 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.200 That's not going to get it done if you're Ohio State. 221 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.320 But Ultimately, Utah has to get back to who they are. 222 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.399 So all the conversation about well, a couple of years ago, 223 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.159 they averaged thirty eight points a game. That's not happening 224 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.080 this year. Okay, Cameron's not back. We thought for a 225 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:18.360 minute he was going to be early on Southern Utah. 226 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.240 First half against Baylor, he looked phenomenal, and then what happened. 227 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.039 Expectations went sky high. Oh, we got Cam back from 228 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.120 two years ago. We're gonna have another dynamic offense, and 229 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:29.399 even if the defense isn't as good as we expected, 230 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:31.799 if we have Cam under center, we're going to outscore 231 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:34.519 teams anyway. No longer the case, and I don't know 232 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.679 what's realistic to expect from Isaac and the offense as 233 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:40.399 far as consistent points per game. So now it's time 234 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:43.080 to call upon the way this team was built back 235 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:44.759 in the day and who Kyle wants them to be. 236 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.879 Win in the trenches, run the football, stop the rush. 237 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.720 TCU does not run the football that well. Okay, they've 238 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.519 got a quarterback who can certainly fling it and get 239 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:56.519 some yards here there, but he has six picks of 240 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.080 his own, Like this is a get right game that 241 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:01.960 feels like as we closer and closer to kick, Utah 242 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:06.759 should handle it pretty well. If all of the conversation 243 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:09.159 that's happened over the past week since the loss again 244 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.200 Sashu and the news that Cameron is out, if everything 245 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.039 these players and coaches have said to the media and 246 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.559 behind the scenes as well is true, if this team 247 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:21.039 has really responded, you go thump TCU on Saturday night 248 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:22.679 and you show this fan base that you're going to 249 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:25.279 be fine regardless of who the quarterback is. All right, 250 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:27.279 my guess is the fans are going to show up 251 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.840 that stadium. Usually, if not at capacity is close to it, 252 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:33.840 they'll announce a sellout, But how many people will be there? 253 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.679 I'll be there, so I'll be curious to see whether 254 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.600 the attendance is going to be a Saturday night late kick. Certainly, 255 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:41.799 the muss will be the muss, and I'm sure there's 256 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:44.360 going to be a lot of noise. But in order 257 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:48.639 for the noise to reverbiate consistently, as we saw against Arizona, 258 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.519 you got to give them something to cheer for. You 259 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.519 can't just expect fans to stay on their feet every 260 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:55.919 minute for four quarters when they're watching a football team 261 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.759 that doesn't appear to be ready to play, and unfortunately 262 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.879 that was the case last week, you know, a couple 263 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.039 of weekends ago against Arizona obviously on the road last 264 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:08.519 week at a ISU. But run the football, stop the run, 265 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.519 win the battle on the trenches, get back to the 266 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.840 physical defensive team that knows how to tackle regardless, and 267 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:17.480 then take the football away. Morgan talked about that this week. 268 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:19.679 You know, you've lost the turnover margin two to one 269 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.159 to three one right, the last couple of games. Not 270 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.960 gonna get it done. It's exactly the reason why Brigham 271 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.480 Young is undefeated. They turned the other team over consistently 272 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.440 in compromise situations. Then they capitalize on those situations with 273 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:36.159 touchdowns not field goals, something Utah is not doing. Kyle 274 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.879 talks about it himself. Red zone, third down, okay, not 275 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.759 good enough, but it can't all be on the shoulders 276 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:45.279 of your freshman quarterback. You got to rally around him. 277 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:49.440 And then also, I wonder how they take the pressure 278 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.080 off of Mackai Bernard because we heard a lot about 279 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.480 Mike Mitchell. I'm still gonna wonder why jalaln Glover are 280 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.240 running back who's had big games and big situations for 281 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.360 this team can't get off the pine because Mackay has 282 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:04.799 established himself as the dude. But he's not built like Zach, 283 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.519 like Zack Moss right, He's not built like one of 284 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:12.000 those backs like Tavion was built. Right. He's built enough, 285 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.039 but I don't think you want him touching the football 286 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:17.480 thirty forty times every single week. You obviously have to 287 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:20.799 ride him. He's your best player right now, again proving 288 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.519 none of us knew anything. Looking at that room, the 289 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:26.519 conversation was, is there one bell cow? Will it be 290 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:29.360 by committee? Four or five running backs? We didn't know, 291 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:32.240 and they've got one. That's just awesome. Kyle did tell 292 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:35.120 us he was running back one. But it can't just 293 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:38.000 be on Isaac. It has to be a group effort. 294 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:40.519 I am really curious to see if the connection we 295 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:44.320 saw between Isaac and Dorian continues. Right He was clearly 296 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:47.480 Isaac's favorite target. Dorian Singer one of the most talented 297 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.480 wide receivers we've had here in a long time. I'm 298 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:52.000 sure Brandt Keithy is looking at his numbers right now 299 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.240 and wishing those were up a little bit. We all 300 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.639 expected more, but with the chaos under quarterback. Point is this. 301 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:02.519 Isaac has weapons, He's got upper classmen leaders, he has 302 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.759 a good, albeit young offensive line that's performed really well. 303 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:08.039 They should be able to win the battle of the trenches. 304 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.200 They should be able to block for Makai run the ball, 305 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:13.559 and TCU doesn't run the ball that well either. This 306 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.399 feels like a game that Utah should get at home 307 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:19.080 with a ton of momentum to show the fan base 308 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:20.960 that the last couple of weeks have been an aberration. 309 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:24.679 Porter let me bring you in on this. Utah football 310 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:28.240 pregame will start at four point thirty on Saturday. Roll 311 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.120 up to the tailgate, say what's up. It's a lot 312 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.639 of fun, free food from Wingers, draft cocktails from our 313 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:36.720 friends at Clearwater Distilling. Porter will be there doing the 314 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:41.279 pregame show. This feels like a really good matchup for Utah, 315 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:43.120 but you can't put it all on the shoulders of 316 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:44.120 your freshman quarterback. 317 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:44.399 No. 318 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:46.960 Like you said, there's a lot of things that Utah 319 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.639 does well. The run game is the most significant one 320 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.559 that stands out that I think TCU will struggle with, 321 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.759 especially McKay Bernard's style. His run style right, he has 322 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:03.720 been he's always been good talented back. Obviously, he's been 323 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.639 productive when he's been on the field when he hasn't 324 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:08.360 been injured. Obviously that's been an unfortunate part of his 325 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:15.039 mute reality. But the way he's run the football outside 326 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:20.879 the tackle, he's been patient with the line developing the 327 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.559 run blocks in the run plays. He's matured as a 328 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:27.440 running back this year, where you're seeing it's not just 329 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:29.360 as talent catching the ball out of the backfield and 330 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.799 the spin moves out in open field. He's learning how 331 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:34.639 to play the running back position, which is a whole 332 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:37.399 different story about how good you are as a running 333 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.000 back in open field, right, And that is taking him 334 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:42.399 to a next level where we're seeing him one hundred 335 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:45.240 yard game after one hundred yard game after hundred yard game, 336 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:50.240 and very very good opportunity to have another one of 337 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:54.519 those against TCU. But on the other side, Spence TCUs 338 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:59.919 a team that if Utah doesn't come back somewhat healthy 339 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.799 on the defensive side, they can hurt you on offense 340 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.599 as well. So I think that's the main part. As 341 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:09.160 you said, defense has to be productive and not leave 342 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:11.519 too much on the plate of an Isaac Wilson, who 343 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.119 is having one of his first tests since Oklahoma State. 344 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.440 So TCU rolls in with three wins, three losses. They 345 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.720 actually went down on the farm to beat Stanford opening week. 346 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.680 A lot of people thought that was a pretty solid 347 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:27.799 road win. And then they smoked the boys from Strong Island, 348 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.640 which I didn't even know that a football team a 349 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:34.319 lost to UCF. They got run by SMU. Then they 350 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.799 beat Kansas, but everybody's beating Kansas, sorry, Ryles. And then 351 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:40.559 they're coming off a loss against Houston, and maybe Houston's 352 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.519 playing well, they better have been playing better than they 353 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:44.960 were early on. But this is a game you should win. 354 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.759 So one of the fantasy football leagues I'm in is 355 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:50.240 with my little nephews. It's the main reason I'm in it. 356 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:53.200 I was only in two and then my brother was like, Hey, 357 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:56.640 your nephews want to play fantasy football. And these kids 358 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:58.480 are young, so it's super fun and all they do 359 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:01.440 is talk smack. Does it make me a bad person 360 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:03.680 if I'm about to make a very lopside of trade 361 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:06.279 with my seven year old nephew. No, okay, he's in 362 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:07.480 the game. Yeah, no, I agree. 363 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:12.359 If you're not ready for the heat, spence gotta get 364 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:12.880 out of the kitchen. 365 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.559 Yeah, stop watching SpongeBob and get on ESPN dot com 366 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.799 and listen to what Field Yates has to say. You're seven, 367 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:20.680 get in the I agree. I'm a shark in the water. 368 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:24.359 I hate kid. I smell blood speaking of a shark 369 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:27.720 in the water over the phone today, although I miss 370 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:29.920 him in studio because oftentimes he wears a hat with 371 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:34.880 a shark on it. Gordon Monson on a Thursday afternoon, Godfather, 372 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:35.519 how are you, sir? 373 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:38.799 I'm doing just fine, Spence. I want you to keep 374 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:44.200 something in mind though, from the from the play Lema's 375 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:48.599 a rob this song, remember the pups they do grow up? 376 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.240 You better run for you better run for cover. 377 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:58.559 Right, I'll tell you if you're seven year old, is 378 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:00.720 it your I'm sorry, is that your nest it is? 379 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:05.000 It is my nestig So that the fact that he's 380 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:08.279 in the league to begin with tells you that he's 381 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:13.480 got some potential. I would tread carefully on that one. 382 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.200 He does. And he's built like a linebacker, even at seven, 383 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.160 So you're probably right when he grows up. And I'll 384 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.480 be like sixty when he's you know, in his twenty, 385 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.559 So you're right Cordell. It's good advice. 386 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:27.680 Yeah, okay, but go ahead and make the trade fair enough. 387 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.720 Oh yeah, no, he's screwed. He's screwed anyway. All right, 388 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.759 let's start with the Utah Utes, where we find ourselves 389 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.240 with the second straight season of in ten years. What 390 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:40.359 will probably be known is what could have been, so 391 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:42.480 just your reaction to the biggest story here in the 392 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:45.319 market that for the second straight year, just feels so 393 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.000 bad for him, Cam and Rising is done playing football, 394 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:48.960 at least for the season. 395 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:54.839 I recall him about Cam after I guess after the 396 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.640 twenty twenty two season, saying that he's the second best 397 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:01.920 quarterback to ever played Utah. I was so impressed with 398 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:06.680 everything he ever did for the program. And man, I 399 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:09.759 wonder about this. Don't you ever sit back and think 400 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:15.720 how many great athletes, how many careers were cut short 401 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.960 or hampered by injury. I mean, none of this is 402 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:21.680 his fault. We've talked about how he sort of maybe 403 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:24.200 run out of bounds to avoid getting hit and all 404 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.240 this sort of thing. But man, he's just a great quarterback. 405 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:30.200 He's a great leader of that team, and for his 406 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:33.720 career to be cut short like this is really I 407 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.480 mean it's a kick to the gut, it really is. 408 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:41.680 And so I got nothing but respect for Camerasing as 409 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.240 an athlete, as a quarterback, as a team leader, is 410 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:49.519 everything that he's brought to Utah's program. And that being said, 411 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:51.400 I don't think he should come back next year, even 412 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:51.839 if you can. 413 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.400 So we'll get there in one moment. But you you 414 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.279 just sparked a memory in me. I can remember being 415 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.079 just a because your reference A Fleets, who you loved 416 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:05.160 whose careers were cut short by injury. And I'm old 417 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:08.480 enough to remember. I know you are too. When listening 418 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.119 to games in the radio was very, very commonplace, right, 419 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:15.119 and so oftentimes if we were on a road trip, 420 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.480 my dad would have a football game in the radio 421 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:22.240 on the radio, and I remember the call of Bo 422 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.240 Jackson injury in his hit, and I can remember the 423 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:31.079 announcer later on saying, they're saying in my be career ending. 424 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:32.880 This is way back in I think the late eighties, 425 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:36.359 early nineties, something like that. And I can remember because 426 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.160 you didn't have to be a Raiders fan to just 427 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.759 adore Bo Jackson. He was awesome, he was marketable, he 428 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:44.759 was dominant, and I remember the feeling of thinking like, 429 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:47.359 I'm never gonna watch Bo Jackson play football again. You're right, 430 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.039 it happens all the time, and when it does, it 431 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:50.200 sucks every time. 432 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:54.519 And I wonder how many great athletes there are out 433 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:57.720 there who couldn't end up being more what they could 434 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:01.160 have been because of these injuries. Yeah, I mean, that's 435 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:03.519 something about it. And it's a tough sport. It's a 436 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.240 brutal sport, and I mean there's not a whole lot 437 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.759 you can do about that. But man, Cam Rising one 438 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:14.759 fantastic quarterback, and he's the kind of guy we've talked 439 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.799 about dismiss He's the kind of guy who really did 440 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.559 make other players both on offense and defense better because 441 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:25.480 they knew he was in the lineup. But this this 442 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:28.200 up and down and back and forth has got to 443 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.640 have taken a toll on that team as a whole. 444 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:35.359 And so now I guess that question is answered for good. 445 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:37.519 So let's move over now to what you brought up. 446 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:39.440 And I had Eric Weddle on the show on Monday, 447 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:42.720 and I found Eric's response to my inquiry about the 448 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.839 potential of Cam coming back for an eighth year really interesting. 449 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:48.200 He wasn't taking a shot at Cam. He just said 450 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.359 it's it's better for everybody just to move on, right, 451 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:54.480 And you have experience you you know you at one 452 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:57.000 point you were a serial dater back in your college years. 453 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:58.920 You had to break a lot of hearts, right, and 454 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:01.400 we all know that about you. You does this feel 455 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.599 like one of those breakups where it's just best for 456 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.839 both parties just to go in the opposite direction, even 457 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:08.400 though there's still love there somewhere. 458 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:13.759 Well, see you're asking, I have to think about that 459 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:18.279 for a minute, because because it was the other person 460 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:19.839 that was always still in love. 461 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:24.000 I want you to behave yourself here, Gordon. I just 462 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:26.319 I know what's going through your mind. I want you 463 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:27.799 to be careful what comes out of your mouth. 464 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.119 Well, there should be honor on both sides, yes, well side, 465 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.000 you know, just you know, just maybe some people want 466 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:39.000 him to come back, but if he does come back, 467 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:42.400 he won't have the nil money that he obviously got 468 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:45.440 this year. And I don't know, I'd be interested in 469 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.680 your opinion on this, Spence, What do you think about me? 470 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.119 Up and down and back and forth. 471 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:50.119 If he came. 472 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.720 Back, if he really wanted to come back, and I'm 473 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:54.559 not sure that he would ever want to do that. 474 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:57.759 But if he did, could he service the team in 475 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:00.480 a way without necessarily being starter? 476 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:06.519 Potentially? But here's where I'm at with it, because I 477 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.799 always try to look at this stuff like this from 478 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:13.319 all sides best I can. And you know, if Cam so, 479 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:16.160 Cameron Rising at the age of twenty five, if this 480 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:19.440 is it for him, because I don't perceive him to 481 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:21.519 be a pro football player. I don't think he's an 482 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:25.039 NFL quarterback. Even when Cam was like Pete Cam, we 483 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:27.359 would have scouts on the show that even back then, 484 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:29.960 we're like, yeah, maybe he has a shot, probably not drafted, 485 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.359 maybe he can make a team. And at this point, 486 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:34.400 you know, with another injury. As much as I hate 487 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:35.880 to say it because I know how much he wants 488 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.440 the chance to be a pro quarterback, I don't think 489 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.559 that's in his future. So what does Cam Rising do 490 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.000 next year? As far as the next step in his life. 491 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:47.240 Is he going to get a job at Shields? I mean, 492 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:50.759 I have no idea. And so ultimately I think anybody 493 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:54.720 if given the opportunity to just hey, come back to school, 494 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:56.680 do something you love doing, and oh, by the way, 495 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:58.599 you can make a million dollars, I don't know to 496 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:00.519 your point. I don't know if the money's to be there, 497 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.720 but some money will be there, So I don't think 498 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:06.599 I would blame Cameron for doing it, but I'm just 499 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.200 not sure that that's the right thing for everybody. That's 500 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:12.400 why hence the relationship analogy. It's probably best for both 501 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:14.400 parties to go their way and give each other a 502 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:16.880 hug and always cheer for a moving forward, but probably 503 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:18.400 time for a little bit of a split. That's where 504 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:18.839 I'm out with it. 505 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.839 Yeah, yeah, I agree with you on that. And look, 506 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:24.240 he's got a great football like you. He could go 507 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.200 into coaching and with the connections he's built at the 508 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:32.519 University of Utah through the years, through many years, I'm sure, 509 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.920 and he could get into all kinds of different fields professional. 510 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:40.519 So he's got a lot going for him regardless of 511 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:41.640 what happens from here on it. 512 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.880 No, I agree with that. It's one thing that Byu 513 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:47.000 does really well. A lot of those ex athletes latch 514 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.200 on to some of those companies down south that are 515 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.519 printing money, they end up doing really, really well. So 516 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:55.920 your point about his community certainly is well taken, and 517 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.319 he will land on his feet doing something. He's a 518 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.559 sharp guy. But probably the time is come for everybody 519 00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:06.039 just to go their separate ways. Whose heart, of all 520 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:08.319 the hearts you broke, which one stands out the most 521 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:10.440 back in the day that you still regret that, maybe 522 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.720 you think about from time to time. 523 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:13.279 No, I regret now. 524 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:13.519 Now. 525 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.759 Admitting that I regretted at this point might do me 526 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.839 some damage with my beloved wife, now, you know, because 527 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.759 if I'm regretting that and it makes it sound like 528 00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:28.079 I'm unhappy. Now, are you trying to get me in trouble? 529 00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:30.599 No, No, she's You're both stuck at this point. She's 530 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.799 not going anywhere. Come on, there's just got to be 531 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:33.960 one name from back in the day. 532 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.640 Okay, let me let me say it this way. You're 533 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:40.000 bringing back some fond memories. 534 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:41.799 Actually, no, I know, I can hear it. 535 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:46.240 The run up to the breakup was fantastic, you know, 536 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:51.200 But the breakup itself, I do have some regrets about, 537 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.440 you know, landing that plane a little less tactfully than 538 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.200 I should have. So I do have some I have 539 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.039 some regrets about that, but not the fact that that 540 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.119 boom it was over. It was all you know, it 541 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.759 was kind of like looking forward, not you know, you 542 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:09.720 can't play backwards. 543 00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:12.240 Sure, no, well said good advice. As always, Gordon, I 544 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.759 missed the life advice segments we used to do. Now, 545 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:18.640 no relationship analogy is necessary for what's going on down 546 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.440 at Brigham Young as they continue to answer every single 547 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:25.440 question asked of them. And at this point, you know, 548 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:29.160 Vegas still likes Iowa State. ESPN did their first twelve 549 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.319 team expanded CFP Projection show and they have Iowa State 550 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:35.319 in as the Big twelve champ and BYU and Notre 551 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.359 Dame as the first two outs. But they're right there, 552 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.839 and you know, the odds continue to climb. Oklahoma State 553 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.240 might be the most disappointing team in the Big twelve, 554 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.480 even though you fans might think at Utah it's definitely 555 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.799 Oklahoma State. What do you think happens Friday night late 556 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.480 kick as Oklahoma State rolls into Provo? Do we see 557 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.920 another BYU win? They're a nine point favorite. 558 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.640 I would expect them to win. Yeah, based on I've 559 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:02.400 seen Oklahoma State times this year, and that's the game. 560 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:04.039 I would expect me want you to win. And look, 561 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:06.640 you know that whole idea? Is this team for real? 562 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.720 Is it for real? I talked to Kolony Stagi. He 563 00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:12.160 knew it was from real. It was real, way back 564 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.480 before anybody else did. And he tried to talk me 565 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.480 into it. He said, no, no, you don't know. Nobody knows. 566 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.640 I know. I'm telling you. He went on and on 567 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.559 about it, and I'm telling the way they played, you know. 568 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.440 I mean, you can say, Okay, that might have been 569 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.000 a fluke here or there, whatever, play here or there. 570 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.680 But after watching what they did the Arizona, I don't 571 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.480 know how anybody can really doubt that team. Now they're unbeaten. 572 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:39.279 Does that mean they're unbeatable. No, I don't think that's 573 00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.279 the case. But I would expect them to win this 574 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:46.599 coming week. However, Utah fans know this that sometimes teams 575 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:50.400 they do they do stub their toes somewhere along the way, 576 00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.839 you know, and they lose a game they shouldn't lose. 577 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.480 But that was what was so impressive about the youths 578 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.720 undefeated seasons and four and eight that they didn't allow 579 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.319 them able to do that. And that team down in 580 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.359 Provo right now looks not only talented, but they look 581 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.640 like they're together, they look like they're having fun and 582 00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.200 rets left. He made a great comment after the game 583 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:16.160 against Arizona, he said, uh, when it comes down a 584 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.839 paraphrasing here, but essentially, we know what we were doing 585 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:23.240 and we were not going to look past anything. So 586 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.559 if a team is talented and they know they're talented, 587 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.880 they have the confidence that they're talented, but they don't 588 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.920 look past anyone. That's the key, and I don't expect 589 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.359 them to do that against the Cowboys. 590 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.880 Yeah, every Monday, Klanie says, you know, stay humble, stay hungry. 591 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.640 You know he just in the moment let's make our 592 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:43.559 seventh statement, is how he talks about every single week. 593 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.079 And the formula is working. You know what's interesting, Gordon 594 00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:51.599 is Kalani is utilizing like they're they're out Utah in Utah. 595 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.759 I mean it's turnovers, right, They're they're turning the other 596 00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:58.559 team over. They're causing havoc plays. I even heard Jay 597 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:00.599 Hill say four and a score. That an old John 598 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.079 PA's line. Like all these Utah coaches that are down 599 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.960 there are really utilizing the model the coach Win has 600 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:07.759 used to build this thing up, and they're doing it 601 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.400 better than Utah is this year. 602 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:13.480 And that's a surprise to everybody, or garden near everybody 603 00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:18.759 except for maybe Kilane, but after every win, Kilani has said, 604 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.880 we need to get better, there's room for improvement, and 605 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.759 so he's keeping that in front of his players, like 606 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.359 you ain't done nothing yet, keep going. He wants them 607 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.319 to have fun, but keep going when it comes down 608 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.279 to getting the business done, get that business done. And 609 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.480 this is just a remarkable, remarkable coaching job by Kolonie 610 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.640 Shataki this year. But I have to give that the 611 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:46.920 players credit. They are they are meeting that challenge and 612 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:50.039 the way he's been handling these things Spence, That's the thing. 613 00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:51.759 And I don't want to I'm not saying that this 614 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.759 is a team that you know, Jacob Robinson mentioned national 615 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:58.599 championship for college football playoff, I'm not going to go 616 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.400 there with it. But I'm telling you I believe, after 617 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.839 watching the way they've played these weeks, I believe that 618 00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:10.440 team is far far better than anybody thought they were 619 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:12.759 going to be. Anybody else except for Kalana. 620 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:15.599 Did you buy a chance watch any of the Ohio 621 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:16.559 State Oregon game. 622 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:18.559 I saw part of it. 623 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.759 Yeah, nobody in the Big twelve is winning a national championship. 624 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:23.799 Let's just get that out of the way right now. 625 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:28.119 Like watch Texas Georgia this week. I'm sorry you watched 626 00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:31.640 some of these big time national games, like that Ohio 627 00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.839 State Oregon game. That was big boy football. So I 628 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.799 don't care if it's Iowa, staate Ca State BYUTA. Nobody's 629 00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.119 winning a national championship at the Big twelve. I can 630 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:41.759 promise you that. 631 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.839 What do you think of Dan Lanning's a little trick 632 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.640 there towards the end of that game. What's having twelve 633 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.960 been on the field. I'm sure you've discussed that at length. Yeah, 634 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:54.599 interesting take there. 635 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.720 I love me some Dan Lanning. So last year it 636 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.640 was clearly a pr ploy because Dan utilized the platform 637 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:06.359 the coach Prime brings to Eugene and his pregame speech 638 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:11.519 before the Oregon Colorado game was awesome. I thought it 639 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.519 was great when he talked about we're rooted in substance, 640 00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.359 they're rooted in flash today we talk with our pads, 641 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:19.319 and I was like, that is that is such a 642 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.480 great line. And I know it was for TV, but 643 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.839 I'm a big fan. He could have gone to Bama. Obviously, 644 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.119 Uncle Phil's checkbook helps. But Oregon's all sorts of good. 645 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:32.480 So is Texas. So's Ohio State. So any National championship 646 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.039 talk from any team in the Big twelve. I don't 647 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.480 care who it is. That's a fool's Errand man. 648 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.440 Well and you mentioned it. That money that they have there, 649 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:46.200 those players are making bank, and I you know, this 650 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.799 is maybe at some point this needs to be leveled out, 651 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:53.240 because right now I think those teams they've got, they're 652 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:56.799 not quite rivaling NFL rosters, but they're heading at the right. 653 00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.880 Let me go back to the utesier and TCU rolls 654 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:04.200 in into town on Saturday night. I can remember, I 655 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:06.960 think I've been on radio for maybe four years, like 656 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.200 my fourth year. End radio Game Day was in town 657 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.359 back in twenty ten when TCU just and Andy Dalton 658 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.240 picked apart Utah's defense, I think it was forty seven 659 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.640 to seven. So a little PTSD little flashback. This feels 660 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.400 like a good match up for Utah, and it feels 661 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:26.559 like a good landing spot for Isaac because TCU does 662 00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.440 not stop the run, and so I would imagine that 663 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.359 Utah is going to start to play even more in 664 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:34.960 the image of their head coach and ride McKay Bernard 665 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.480 and hopefully in RB two to take some pressure off mackay. 666 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.519 Run the football get back to winning the battle in 667 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.759 the trenches, and then Isaac just kind of has to 668 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.480 do enough. I feel like this could be a get 669 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.759 right game for Utah. What do you think happens Saturday night? 670 00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:52.119 I would expect Utah is way better than they've played. 671 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.559 And I know there's been all this up and down 672 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:59.480 with the quarterback position, but I think I think the 673 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.000 thing about it, there's a lot of people want to 674 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.559 blame the losses on their camerasing playing or not playing 675 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.039 up to the way he usually does, or not playing 676 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.079 at all. This team is better than what had shown Spence. 677 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.599 The Utes are a good, good team, but they've made mistakes. 678 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:22.320 They've away from the quarterback position, and my recollection is 679 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:26.000 that Kyle Whittinghan usually gets these things fixed, you know, 680 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.280 even the Rose Bowl years. Remember they faced adversity early 681 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.400 and they found a way to overcome that. I would 682 00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:37.760 expect the Utes to come back strong now, although I 683 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.159 still don't know exactly. Isaac Wilson, Well, do you think 684 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.440 they should use him as a game manager like you 685 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.280 were suggesting there, or can they build his confidence and 686 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.480 allow him to keep as kind of likes to say, 687 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:55.639 the throw game in play and not just necessarily sit 688 00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.039 back and hand the ball off over and over again. 689 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.199 I don't know. I haven't want the practice. I don't 690 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.679 know where Isaac Wilson said it is at this point, 691 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.519 but you're going to see mister Bernard pick up a 692 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:08.599 whole lot of yardage. 693 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:13.480 Well, you know, the term game manager makes people cringe, right, 694 00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.960 I don't think it should, but it does. 695 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:17.480 For me. 696 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:19.840 It's more like you cannot put the whole thing on 697 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.360 the kid's shoulders. You know, you can't expect him to 698 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.119 be cam rising it two years ago, right, And so 699 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.039 Utah football, in my opinion, they need to get back 700 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.920 to doing what Kyle wants them to do and how 701 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.719 we built this program on the ethos of we run 702 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:36.199 the ball, we stopped the run, we win in the trenches, 703 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:40.360 and then our quarterback just doesn't screw it up whatever 704 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.440 that means. If you want to call that a game manager, 705 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.119 that's fine. And look, his arm is live enough and 706 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.679 we've seen coach Ludd open up the playbook for him. 707 00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.840 It's not like he's gonna, you know, be neutered. You know, 708 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.079 he'll have an opportunity back there to make plays. But 709 00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:55.320 he's a freshman. He needs help and it's time for 710 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:58.480 the entire team to step up around him because Cam 711 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.440 Rising's not walking through that door. Sorry to quote Rick Bettino, 712 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:03.440 this is the deal. Now make the most of it. 713 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.119 Yeah, and those guys, the skilled players have to. They 714 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.360 can be dropping balls and making mistakes or turning the 715 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.360 ball over. But this is really I think where the 716 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.360 guys in the trench has really come to the forefront, 717 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:20.039 both on offense and defense. If that offensive line does 718 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.719 its job and create space for the run game, then 719 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.719 things will be well on the offense. Same thing on 720 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.119 the defense. Like you mentioned, Morgan Skelley said it a 721 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:33.800 thousand times, as has Kyle. Their number one priority on 722 00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.519 defense is stop the run, and if you can do that, 723 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:40.400 you can manage the rest of whatever's coming at you. 724 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.280 And I think that's particularly important for the Hutes in 725 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:46.480 their situation of late. 726 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.079 You know Kyle. You've covered Kyle for a long time, 727 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.480 and there are more than a few people and this 728 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.239 actually comes up often in other markets on other shows. 729 00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:59.280 I'll listen to people around here are scared to say it. 730 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.599 And I don't know if he's retiring this year. I 731 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:03.559 have no clue, but there are a lot of people 732 00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:05.760 that surmise that this is the year and if not 733 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.840 this year, we know it soon. Morgan now has the 734 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:11.320 moniker of coaching waiting back. Do you think and I've 735 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.639 talked about this all week, So we had a college 736 00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.440 football analyst on from CFP on Tuesday that now thinks 737 00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.920 Utah is a seven win football team this year. If 738 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.480 Utah wins seven games, they go seven to five and 739 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.320 they go to some you know, po Dunk Bowl or whatever. 740 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.079 Do you think that changes the scope of what Kyle 741 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.519 will do this offseason not wanting to go out like 742 00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.039 that or does it? It may not even matter because 743 00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:38.199 that dude doesn't need to accomplish anything else. But I 744 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.320 I if Utah stumbles into the gates this year, do 745 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:42.880 you think it affects coach WIT's decision? 746 00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.960 There's an interesting that's an interesting point because before the 747 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.800 season started, what do we hear or Spence everybody guess 748 00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.000 since CFP goes, yeah, yeah, if he goes to the 749 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.920 Collins football playoff, then this will be the year that 750 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.159 he hangs it up. 751 00:37:58.599 --> 00:37:58.719 Uh. 752 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.639 This is so much speclation about that because Kyle has 753 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:03.519 said over and over again that he's not going to 754 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:07.360 coach into his later years. His dad passed away at 755 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.440 sixty four. I think that's very much on his mind. 756 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.880 He's got grandkids, he's got family, he's got reasons to 757 00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.719 live beyond football that he's looking forward to doing that 758 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:20.320 he hasn't had time to do, so I don't think 759 00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:24.280 it's that far off. But you know, I don't even 760 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:27.480 really think the record matters at this point. I think 761 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.800 if he decides it's time to go, he'll go, and 762 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.480 it will have nothing to do whether they're winning or losing. 763 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.840 Yeah. I tend to agree with that. All right, Gordon. 764 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.800 We've revisited this topic every time you've joined us this week, 765 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.599 and it probably takes a little bit of a turn 766 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:49.840 this week. If tomorrow it's Utah BYU, neutral fields, who 767 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:50.480 wins and why? 768 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.239 Boy, that question has gotten a whole lot more complicated, 769 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:59.039 hasn't it. I thought if the US had came Rising 770 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.639 and he was playing the way came Rising, can play 771 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.119 or does play normally that, especially at rice cycles, I 772 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:11.079 would pick the utes. Now. I think BYU's got the edge, 773 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:13.199 But you know that games at rice cycles, and so 774 00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:15.639 how's that going to go? We know how these rivalry 775 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.840 things happen. It doesn't even matter who's the better team, 776 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:24.079 although that certainly helps. But man, am I Wafflin or 777 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.440 what I guess I would I would say at this 778 00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.679 point I'd give the nod to b Yu. 779 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:31.480 Well, it's hard to argue against that based off of 780 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:33.880 the results. That's all we can now. Now. I still 781 00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.440 think like some of the some of the noise surrounding 782 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:40.119 Utah I'm not here for. I still think like there's 783 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:42.760 a lot of conversation about the defense not stopping the run. 784 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.719 It's not wholly unfair to bring up, but they get there. 785 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:48.960 They've been without three of their front seven, and they've 786 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.480 been out with their you know, without their best pass 787 00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:55.480 rusher and canro tool, you know, Karnny Reid. Some would 788 00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.239 say he's like the Cam Rising of the defense and 789 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.519 the film Your Kid has been great. So they still 790 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.760 have talent up there. But if they get healthy with 791 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:06.400 their defensive front, I still believe the defense ultimately will 792 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.039 settle in to be as nasty as we thought that 793 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:11.719 they were going to be. The question just lies on 794 00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.159 the offensive side of the football. Can they move the 795 00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.280 ball with a true freshman quarterback. So there's a lot 796 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.360 of noise right now surrounding Utah. That I don't think 797 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.960 is necessarily fair. I still think there's a chance that 798 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.800 they turn it around because we've seen it from Coach 799 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:27.559 Witch teams before. In twenty one they lose to BYU 800 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.519 and SDSU and they win the Pac twelve. So I'm 801 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.000 still holding out hope for Utah. But I'm entirely convinced 802 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.199 that BYU is good. That's just where I'm at with 803 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:37.320 both programs. 804 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.480 I'most you one hundred percent on that. And anybody who's 805 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.840 still doubting that hasn't been paying attention right about the 806 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.880 way BYU is doing what it's doing. Look forget about 807 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.599 what we all thought before the season started. And that's 808 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.239 what people have to get rid of because in their mind, 809 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.519 they're going BYU can't be this good. They can't. They 810 00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:00.880 can't be what we've seen so far. Look, I mean, 811 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.400 open the eyes and realize, see what's really happening. They 812 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.719 be there. That's a team that Utah loss to. They 813 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:13.719 beat Kansas State, which is a really, really good team, 814 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.039 and those are no flotus man. People thought because of 815 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.280 what happened in the Kansas State game with the crazy 816 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:23.119 punt returns and the turnovers and things that were outside 817 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:26.280 the box. No, I mean BYU is showing that they 818 00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.960 are making those things happen. When they beat SMU down there, 819 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.840 it was like, okay, so maybe SMU is not that good. No, 820 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.880 SMU is good, and the Cougars beat them on their 821 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:41.280 home field. So yeah, I mean this team is for real. 822 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.719 Although I do agree with you that Utaw, as I said, 823 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.519 is far better than what we've seen so far, and 824 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.760 I would expect them to get it together even though 825 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.800 they're you know, their leader on offense is out of 826 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:55.360 the question. 827 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:57.760 Gorn On, thanks for the time, man, have a great 828 00:41:57.760 --> 00:41:58.559 week and with you soon. 829 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.320 Okay, Yeah, a hard time for. 830 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.840 You know, I will, you know, I will. Gordon Monson, 831 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.159 longtime columnists of the Solid Tribune, my old radio partner 832 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:09.400 on our old show. 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You're being a bad influence. 863 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.280 Craig Bowler Jack usually live in studio with Gordo, but 864 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.000 Gordon hopped on the phone last segment. So we continue 865 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.199 our big show, Big Hour, brought to you by Big 866 00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.320 O' tires. Now it's our pleasure to catch up with 867 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.119 the TV voice of the Jazz, the legend himself Bowler. 868 00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.719 Happy Thursday, buddy, it's good. 869 00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:58.639 Tell are you you guys having problems there at you 870 00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.480 and porter Man Media eight? 871 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:04.119 Well, he played a Death Leopards song because he wants yeah, 872 00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:05.280 exactly exactly. 873 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.000 Yeah, yeah, I know I know where that's going. Yeah, yeah, 874 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.320 you know way to go? You know, I know you 875 00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.519 want to maybe share that that little piece of I 876 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.480 don't know if it's comedy, but just insight, but yeah, 877 00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:18.239 probably better not. 878 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.559 Yeah, I'm not you know, it's just it's dumb joke. 879 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.159 It's like, yo, what has nine? You know what? No, 880 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:25.599 I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna stay away from 881 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.000 it on a Thursday. No, I can't. I just did. 882 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.960 I showed you I could, all right, Craig, how about uh, 883 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.679 how about a little Jazz preseason action. I mean, look, 884 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.719 it's preseason, right, we all know the deal, but I 885 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:41.400 think it's I think it's fair to say there have 886 00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.679 been some fun games, some close games, and the crowd 887 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:48.119 was even into it against Sacramento. So one more Friday 888 00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:49.880 night against Portland. But what do you make of the 889 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.719 four and one preseason starred for these Utah Jazz. 890 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.719 Well, we just got to Portland. Half the rookies remote. 891 00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.719 I'd say most of the rookies made the yearly trip 892 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.800 out to Nike to get choose and stuff for friends 893 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.000 and family and themselves. So I just jumped into the 894 00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.559 hotel and you know what they seem to be, you know, 895 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.679 like what young guys nineteen and twenty year olds would do. 896 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:15.559 And that's the the I think, just you know, learning 897 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:18.079 every step of the way. Spence, Look, I've been surprised. 898 00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:21.199 I mean competitive, yes, four and one okay, still not 899 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.760 doesn't mean anything except development, which I think is key. 900 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.719 That's what we've been talking about all summer. But There's 901 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.000 been some good things and still some issues that have 902 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.760 to be addressed. And you know, despite the win against 903 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:34.960 Sacramento that had a real good feel to it, the 904 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.119 crowd was definitely into it. You still got to do 905 00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:40.599 something with turnovers. I know they're young, but I look 906 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.599 at the fact that, you know, the twenty five turnovers 907 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.719 allowed thirty two points in that game. The Jazz you know, 908 00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:49.440 held on to win one seventeen one to fourteen. But 909 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:52.920 when you look at the turnovers, it's surely not the youth. 910 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.639 It's actually the Vets, marketing and the Clarkson combined for 911 00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.639 eleven of those twenty five. So you can look at 912 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:03.000 that any way you want. Are they not used to 913 00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:07.000 having new faces on the floor or is there timing 914 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.320 not not you know, up to what it should be. 915 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.039 But I was impressed at titlor Hendrix didn't turn the 916 00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:14.000 ball over, sins of Baw didn't turn the ball over. 917 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:14.840 Uh. 918 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.119 And there's been, you know, some bright spots, but turnovers 919 00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.679 still I think have to be the centerpiece of just 920 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.000 Once this team hopefully gets more in tune to who 921 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:28.679 they are and knowing tendencies of their teammates, that number 922 00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:32.559 will drop in fact it has to issue last year 923 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:34.440 by the way, as you know, at the second half 924 00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.280 of the season when they went totally with the youth movements. 925 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.480 So but there's been some good stuff. Hendricks has had 926 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.000 a moment or two sins of ball. Johnny Juzang when 927 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.679 he's on the court, has been incredible. From three, they've 928 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:48.760 been able to blend Vets and JC and and John Collins, 929 00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:51.280 and they seem to kind of maybe got the rotation 930 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.800 down a little bit. I'm you know, tomorrow night, have 931 00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.480 no idea what what will will do. I would hope 932 00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:02.159 they continue to just play and get better and get 933 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.920 to know each other, their tendencies on the floor and 934 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:06.960 how they cut and what where was the pass going 935 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.400 to be received, all those little things that make a 936 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:10.079 big difference. 937 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.840 So we've talked about this and we'll continue to talk 938 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.840 about it. I certainly am going to cover it on 939 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:18.519 my show quite a bit because it's a big year 940 00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:23.079 for Walker Kessler. And last year, you know, the numbers dipped. 941 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.039 It wasn't some massive fall, but most all of his 942 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.480 numbers dipped a little bit outside of blocks because that 943 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.800 is his superpower to protect the rim. But it's year 944 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.719 three and this is when as an organization you draft 945 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.719 the player, and year one you just kind of see 946 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.400 what sort of hand you've been dealt. Give them a 947 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.760 lot of space because you never trust rookies, and then 948 00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:44.760 hopefully they surprise you and you hope for a jump 949 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.559 from year one year two. We didn't see it from Walker, 950 00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:51.400 and so far in the preseason I liked it will 951 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:53.480 As starting him instead of John, I think that's the 952 00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:56.119 right call. And you know, four blocks the other night, 953 00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:59.400 nine boards, He's had a fifteen rebound game, and he's 954 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.719 staying within him self offensively. I want him so badly 955 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.679 to finish with Forrest this year. You're seven feet, you 956 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.159 get the ball, drop step, go dunk on somebody. No 957 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.599 like right running finger rolls, like play like a big play, 958 00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.159 like a pivot, because that's who you are. And again, 959 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.840 just preseason, but so far, I think there's a lot 960 00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.000 to like about the way Walker's approach. You know, the 961 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:21.239 opportunity it looks like he's being given by Will. 962 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.480 Yeah, I totally agree. I think there's he's a great 963 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:29.000 guy first and foremost, but you can't let that define 964 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:30.840 you on the court. What I mean by that is 965 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.000 it's good to have a little nasty, right, you want to, 966 00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.320 like you said, take the ball up and rock the 967 00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.760 rim and take a glance back at who you just 968 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.119 post a rise and make a statement. I think stronger hands. 969 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.760 I've seen that more. He's rebounded better in traffic in 970 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.159 the preseason. Spencer, you know what, he's killing it at 971 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.159 the rim. I mean his percentages or sky high nearly 972 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.280 eighty percent, somewhere in that range. And yeah, he's rebounding 973 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.400 the ball and I'm glad he's hanging on to it 974 00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.199 and not letting it in a crowd be taken away. 975 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.039 So you know, and I've been keeping an eye because 976 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:05.920 this is something we talked about too in the summer, 977 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:09.480 was he's a pleaser, and Will's talked a lot about this. 978 00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:12.639 Here's a guy that you know, kept looking at the 979 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:17.519 sideline and wants, I think, to know that he's doing okay. Well, look, 980 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:19.880 you just don't have time to do that in this league. 981 00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.119 And the fact is if you do have a blunder 982 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:25.280 or a bad play, the growth that I'm looking for 983 00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.360 is that you just play on and you bust your 984 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.800 tail down the floor. He has run I think Spence 985 00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.679 really the floor well, and he's been rewarded several times 986 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.599 by Keyante, by Bryce and other teammates when the guy 987 00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.039 gets out and runs, and I think he feels better 988 00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:44.239 about himself when he makes a big play, and it's 989 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:46.239 not going to happen every time, but he's got to 990 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.480 be able to bust his tail and continue to run. 991 00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:52.320 And the pace of this team's intriguing too. It's a 992 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.440 fast paced league. But the biggest issue is to improve 993 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.800 defensively on transition defense as well. And you see a 994 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.760 little bit of improvement in that you know you only 995 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:04.599 have one way to go, and that's up after being 996 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.920 ranked dead last in the league last year in defense. 997 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.440 But I've seen some improvement. I've seen more hustle, I've 998 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:13.880 seen more speed, I've seen more defensive impact at times. 999 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.119 But then there's at one or two minutes that they 1000 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.000 tend to tail off and the turnovers occur and they 1001 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.079 let teams back. So I think I'll be a real 1002 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:23.920 focal point as we get into the first fifteen to 1003 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:24.920 twenty games of the season. 1004 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.880 So it's always interesting to watch how the league evolves 1005 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.639 from an offensive standpoint, as far as who is your 1006 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.599 best offensive player, who's your focal point? You know who 1007 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:39.039 who who runs the offense? Is the offense formulated through 1008 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:41.800 you know this best player that best player. Once upon 1009 00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:44.440 a time it was Bigs. Once upon a time it 1010 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.360 was Kareem and Will and Russell and all those guys. 1011 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:50.440 And then it moved into this phase of where it 1012 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.079 seemed like every team had a great wing. Yeah, you 1013 00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.400 call it a shooting guard, a small forward sixty six 1014 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.719 sixty seven, And ultimately that was the type of prototype 1015 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.440 you want. The archetype was Michael Jordan, of course, and 1016 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:06.639 then the Kobe years and Dwayne Wade and like everybody 1017 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:08.920 had a great wing. And now the league is really 1018 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.559 interesting because it just depends on the team. Like Golden 1019 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.400 State goes through Steph, Denver goes through Jokic, so like 1020 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.559 san Antonio is gonna go through when Miyama and we 1021 00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.159 could ultimately go down the list, Memphis goes through job. 1022 00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:24.559 Not every team needs that great offensive wing that once 1023 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:27.280 upon a time felt like a mandate, But it's still 1024 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:29.719 very much a thing. And more often than not, you're 1025 00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:31.920 gonna need you because you reference the defense. More often 1026 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.039 than not, you're gonna need a defender that can push 1027 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.800 back against the durant or push back against a Shay 1028 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.039 or push back against a brandon Ingram or whoever the 1029 00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.079 other team's offensive wing happens to be. There are several 1030 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:48.719 top shelf offensive wings in pro basketball, and that brings 1031 00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.280 me to Taylor. Who is the guy that has the 1032 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:55.480 measurables to play that role. Now, Larry can a little bit. 1033 00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:58.039 He's big and strong, but he's limited as far as 1034 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.440 his lateral movement goes. He doesn't keep up with the 1035 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.880 faster wings, but Taylor could if he grows. Can he 1036 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.960 grow into the spot where the Jazz would have a 1037 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:09.360 wing defender that can make all these wing offensive players 1038 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.360 throughout the landscape of the NBA at least somewhat uncomfortable. 1039 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.400 Well, they're going to get data points on that spence. 1040 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:18.360 To your point, I mean, that's the guy, Taylor Hendrix 1041 00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.840 has been given that charge to say, you're the guy. 1042 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:22.800 You're the stopper. We're going to put you. 1043 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:26.199 On every top score on the wing and your length 1044 00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:27.000 is going to be. 1045 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:27.840 Your best friend. 1046 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.000 And he does move well, latterly getting better, you know, 1047 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.880 put on the seventeen pounds big team makes a great 1048 00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:36.760 point eighty two games, is rough and rugged, and does 1049 00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:40.400 he keep that strength? You know? The weight's one thing. 1050 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.320 But as Thurle says, you know, in his experience, because 1051 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.199 he's a thin guy, still is today. I mean he 1052 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:47.800 had to put down ten thousand calories a day just 1053 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:49.400 to keep the weight on. But do you keep the 1054 00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.079 strength that you're going to need every night, Spence to 1055 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:56.639 guard out on the perimeter and trying to shut down baselines. 1056 00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:59.239 You know, there's been moments again where I've seen Taylor 1057 00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:02.559 make some steps from last year. He's you know, he 1058 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:04.519 may shoot the three. I don't know if he's a 1059 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.840 thirty three or a forty thirty eight percent type, you know, 1060 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:12.000 three point shooter. But I think defense is the focus 1061 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.639 that Quinn has right now. I want him to be, 1062 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:15.960 he said this. I want him to be the guy 1063 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.960 to go out and harass and defend, and you know, 1064 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.559 you hope he grows more and more into it and 1065 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.639 that his body will allow him to. I think he's 1066 00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:28.480 got all the physical tools, uh you know upstairs in 1067 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.320 the confidence that comes with it' spence. Uh, he's got 1068 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.679 to be an integral part of this defense in transition 1069 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.039 as well, because he can run. You make a great 1070 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.199 point about marketing, but still not the guy that Hendrix's 1071 00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:44.000 and length and lateral speed and able to recover right uh. 1072 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:45.639 And Walker is going to be a big part of 1073 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:48.000 it too. He's blocking shots, he used it, He's very 1074 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.320 comfortable with the left hand. And those two guys, in 1075 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:54.000 my opinion, are going to be if they all five start, 1076 00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:56.199 those two I think are the centerpiece of what the 1077 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:58.320 Jazz want to do on the defensive end. And then 1078 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.639 you're throwing Cody, you throw and a sens of baw. 1079 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.760 What's Drew Vubanks's role going to be? If any? I 1080 00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:07.440 think he still has a role here because he is 1081 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:10.320 a tough guy and he did and obviously Will knows 1082 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.199 him well from his days in San Antonio and Wilson 1083 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.400 himself he's totally a brute, so he can come in 1084 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.880 and probably do some backup defense when needed. 1085 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:23.800 So ultimately, Justin Zanik, you know, the media availability that he, 1086 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:27.000 Danny and Ryan did indicated that this is going to 1087 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.159 be a situation where we'll see a lot of these 1088 00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.000 young players. And you know, one of the things I 1089 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.800 like about obviously Danny and Justin been doing this forever, 1090 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.480 So there's a checks and balance front office coaching symbiotic 1091 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:41.159 relationship in place, and that ultimately Will be up to Will. 1092 00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.639 And you know, there's always a reason when a coach 1093 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.159 clearly wants a vet, like the reports that the one 1094 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:49.159 guy and the Tim McMahon had the report that the 1095 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.280 one guy in the Jazz front office who wanted Dame 1096 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.679 Lillard was Will Hardy. Because of course, coaches want to 1097 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:58.280 win right now because they don't think that they'll ever 1098 00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.119 win again. Their famous Jerry slum line where he said, 1099 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:03.320 I after losses, I feel like I was never going 1100 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.800 to win another basketball game. So do you think Will 1101 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.760 is going to lean into this Let's play all the 1102 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.360 young guys or are we going to see big minutes 1103 00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.719 from John Collins and Patty Mills and Jordan Clarkson. And 1104 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.039 I don't think you Banks is going to play much. 1105 00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:19.800 But you get the point of the question. 1106 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:21.760 Sure, sure, no. 1107 00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:23.920 Jerry Sloan, just to your point, I always thought he'd 1108 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:25.320 be fired after a loss. 1109 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:26.519 Remember that, you. 1110 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.679 Know, Jerry, as great as Jerry was and the respect 1111 00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:34.039 he had and the Larry Miller trust, he still doubted 1112 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.559 about his status at times, which just amazed me. But 1113 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.239 you know, Will had his contract picked up for the five. 1114 00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:44.360 But look, this is a short league in the sense 1115 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:48.559 of coaches don't last long if you get five years 1116 00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:52.239 in one spot and get a second contract and something's right, 1117 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:56.000 or again they trust you in this rebuilding process, which 1118 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.800 I think again is what Justin and Danny and Ryan believe. 1119 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.480 But I think he wants to win in spence, I mean, 1120 00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.199 that's what he's hired to do and develop. He wants 1121 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.400 these guys to make the next step in a hurry. 1122 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.320 You know, I thought the same thing you did. What 1123 00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.800 are the veterans truly about? And I didn't think i'd 1124 00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.559 see JC and John as much as I did so far. 1125 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:17.280 In the preseason. 1126 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:20.679 Does that hold true when we tip it off next 1127 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.119 Wednesday night against Memphis? 1128 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:23.320 I don't know. 1129 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:27.400 What I'm seeing is kind of a continued rotation of 1130 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:32.679 ten on occasion eleven, and that does include Clarkson and 1131 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:36.480 Collins mixing with the younger guys to help lead. If 1132 00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:40.639 that's the plan, then so be it. But it also 1133 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:45.760 gives you, you know, opportunities still for the younger guys 1134 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.159 to blend, but also you're taking minutes away, so it's 1135 00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.800 really a balance, right, It's going to start in the 1136 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.360 G League most likely, you know, Isaiah Collier before the 1137 00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.880 hamstring was showing some promises back up when Kyante was 1138 00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:05.000 out that one game with the knee spring. So you know, 1139 00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:08.480 it's it's really one of those seasons Spence that as 1140 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:10.920 I go along every ten or twenty games, there will 1141 00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:13.880 be a better evaluation point. But I'm not sure if 1142 00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:17.159 it's totally bought in on all the time being young. 1143 00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:20.840 But do you let the young guys watch the veterans play, 1144 00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.119 mix them in and let them know what it's like 1145 00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:26.679 to win and what it takes to win. So those 1146 00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:28.800 are the questions I still have for my chair, and 1147 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.360 I think they're all good questions because you know, and 1148 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:33.199 again I say this a lot, we do find out 1149 00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:35.480 a lot together. You know, when guys hit the floor 1150 00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.360 and you watch the rotations on Wednesday against Memphis, how 1151 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.519 will Hardy's going to play this? 1152 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.880 So you know, we have this interesting story going on 1153 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:46.079 in the market right now. Of course, as you know 1154 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:48.639 where Cameron Rising is out for the year for Utah 1155 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.880 football and I don't We'll do a football in just 1156 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:53.440 a little bit, but I'm going to tie this back 1157 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:55.559 around to the Jazz real quick, because I hear a 1158 00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:58.320 lot of conversations that sound like, well, he's getting paid, 1159 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.000 now he shouldn't miss time. Well, you don't watch NBA basketball, 1160 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:05.760 do you, Because players that make thirty times what Cameron make, 1161 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:09.440 they sit all the time. Okay, And so here's here's 1162 00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:12.800 my question, Craig. As we have, we have been in 1163 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.679 the era of load management for quite some time. It's 1164 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:18.960 not stopping anytime soon. Despite what the league says about 1165 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:21.239 them trying to curb it, it's a half assed attempt. 1166 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.119 It's never going to be fully curbed because the agents 1167 00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.599 have all the power, and the agents want their young 1168 00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.199 players to get to their second and third contracts because 1169 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.360 that's when they make their money. So let's keep them 1170 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:34.880 healthy as long as we can. The toothpaste is out 1171 00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.039 of the tube, all right. So the reason I bring 1172 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.360 it up is Tom Haverstrow, a consistent guest of ours 1173 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.280 during the NBA season, did the data and did the 1174 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.599 story about Salt Lake City being the market where stars 1175 00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:49.920 miss games here more than any other market. 1176 00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.599 All right, Yes, yes, I will. You know, by the 1177 00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:53.480 way it's spent, I. 1178 00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:56.880 Will agree with that whole heartedly. I've watched it night 1179 00:58:56.920 --> 00:59:01.599 in night out about you know, lebron Lake, KD Phoenix, 1180 00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:04.360 whoever it may be. They use this to stop in 1181 00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:06.400 Salt Lake as a rest night. 1182 00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:08.639 Yes, yes, right, right, right right, no, no, no, all 1183 00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:10.480 good because you're there every night. I mean, that's the deal. 1184 00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.440 So I wonder if this team may do the whole 1185 00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:17.679 like Lowry has to miss a couple of weeks with 1186 00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:20.079 a shoulder because maybe they want to do the draft stuff. 1187 00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:22.559 They might do that. I don't know if they will. 1188 00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.960 What I believe will happen more certainly at the start 1189 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:28.039 of the season is will Is gonna play his best 1190 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.559 lineup every single night, and they're gonna play really hard 1191 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:34.239 every single night, which leads me to wonder aloud whether 1192 00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:36.760 or not they could even win, you know, thirty five 1193 00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.360 to thirty eight games. The Vegas line is twenty seven 1194 00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:41.679 point five. I just think they're gonna win a lot 1195 00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:44.920 of games against teams that, on paper they shouldn't beat, 1196 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:48.519 because the team's best players will sit and will more 1197 00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:50.559 often than not, will play his best lineup and they 1198 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:53.239 will play hard for him. And it sounds silly and 1199 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:55.199 try it, but that leads to more wins in pro 1200 00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:56.639 basketball these days. 1201 00:59:57.239 --> 00:59:59.920 Yes, yes, all the above. Yes, we saw it last 1202 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.599 period of times. You know, games that shouldn't have been 1203 01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:07.000 won were one and up until about the trade deadline, 1204 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:08.960 and then things fell apart because. 1205 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:09.440 They did go youth. 1206 01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:13.079 But you're right, this is a stop where players sometimes 1207 01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:15.519 don't even climb on the plane to come to Salt 1208 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:18.039 Lake to play the Jazz, and it will be a 1209 01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:21.679 day you hope that. I feel bad Spence, really because 1210 01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:25.559 I see kids. I see dads or moms bringing families 1211 01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:27.440 to watch Lebron. 1212 01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.239 And Wimby or what to be. 1213 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:34.000 Onto to Coombo, and they're not there, or they're not 1214 01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:36.840 on the floor, and that money they spent, you know, 1215 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.440 you still get to see basketball. They're not the stars 1216 01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.239 the young people want to see. I feel bad for that, 1217 01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.400 and I think the league again still has to rectify 1218 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:45.960 it some way. 1219 01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:46.679 I don't know how. 1220 01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.679 Maybe you earn an extra ping pong ball on the 1221 01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:52.159 draft if your vets play a certain amount. I don't know, 1222 01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.639 but it's going to be a long time before I 1223 01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:58.840 think it's situation, before a final decision or they find. 1224 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.039 The cure to it. 1225 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.519 But yeah, I think there'll be some games handed to 1226 01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:08.519 the Jazz because of stars not playing, not more maybe 1227 01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:12.719 even more than one, maybe two, And that's something they're 1228 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:14.880 going to have to put into the equation on what 1229 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.880 they want to do, if they're really playing for a 1230 01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:18.880 top lottery pick or if they're just going to try 1231 01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:21.159 to play, And then you start to teeter into the 1232 01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:23.920 playoff or the play in, and then you get yourself 1233 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:28.280 a real conversation. But as long as I guess Spence, 1234 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:32.159 and again I'm not inside Danny or Justin's head, you 1235 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:35.519 know what the true purpose of development is. They have 1236 01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:38.960 enough youth, but is there someone that can ignite them more, 1237 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:45.000 you know, with another draft pick? And obviously we know 1238 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:49.000 who that may be, kids at Duke, but it's just 1239 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:51.960 gonna be interesting to me. I don't know if they 1240 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.239 want to go after another VET or they're hoping that 1241 01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:58.440 someone pops or two of these guys pop and become 1242 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.760 I get a rotation players that are going to be 1243 01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:06.960 make a big impact on this franchise moving forward. If 1244 01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.159 I know Will to think the way I think I do. 1245 01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:11.280 He wants to do it. He wants to win. 1246 01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.280 I mean, his reputation and his futures on the line. 1247 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:16.920 He's thirty six, he can coach on forever in this league. 1248 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.679 But also it depends on what he does here. And 1249 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:23.960 you know what he's thought of or do they say, well, 1250 01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:27.199 that isn't quite working out, we'll have to change coaches. 1251 01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:29.559 I don't think he wants to hear that. But all 1252 01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:32.280 coaches are paranoid, as you know, and their whole bottom 1253 01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:35.079 line is they know one thing, prepared to win. And 1254 01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:39.079 I'll be honest on the plane his coaching staff is 1255 01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:43.679 being is preparing to win. And you know, if you're 1256 01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:45.960 a fan, you have to appreciate that. Some don't like that. 1257 01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:48.159 Those stings because they want to fall off the table 1258 01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:50.719 and grab all the goodies they can to make this 1259 01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.639 team better in the future. But now they have competition 1260 01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:55.880 with hockey. That's the other part of the equation. It 1261 01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:58.679 will take thirty minutes of another time to discuss about 1262 01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:01.599 competition for the first time. I'm in Salt Lake City 1263 01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:06.239 with professional teams NBA, NHL, and also the talk of 1264 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.480 you know, Utah Utes and BYU who's running the table 1265 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:12.400 right now. It's amazing time in sports in Salt Lake. 1266 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:14.760 Yeah, it is, no no doubt. All right, let's do 1267 01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:17.320 a little college football before it set you loose. As 1268 01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:20.000 the godfather of the Big twelve in the market, you 1269 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.440 are a child of the Big twelve, Big ten. You 1270 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:26.639 understand this conference. You understand kind of how everything goes. 1271 01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:29.360 My first question, We'll do just a little college football 1272 01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:34.280 and I'll set you loose. Like you hear national championship 1273 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:36.639 talk this time of year when a team goes undefeated. 1274 01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:41.679 Jackson Robinson from BYU mention it and BYU fans as 1275 01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:45.360 they should very feeling their football team right now after 1276 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.559 watching Oregon and Ohio State and watching you know, we'll 1277 01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:53.800 see Texas taking on Georgia coming up this weekend. No 1278 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:56.920 big twelve teams should be talking about a national championship. 1279 01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:59.960 Like if you're watching these big dog teams play right now, 1280 01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:03.440 it feels like and everybody's sensitive because the SEC and 1281 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:05.519 the Big ten are taking all the money and they're 1282 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:07.840 potentially going to break off and do their own thing. 1283 01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:09.880 But the quality of play with the top I don't know, 1284 01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:11.920 four or five teams, it seems like there's a big 1285 01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.400 gap between them and everybody else. 1286 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:16.400 Yeah, I would agree. 1287 01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.239 The games I've watched with Sarksian, who I got to 1288 01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:22.400 know really well up at Washington and then he went 1289 01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:25.320 to USC and now he's turned Texas football. 1290 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:26.360 Into the real deal. 1291 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:31.800 Those guys are so deep and fast physical Spence in Oregon. 1292 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.559 There's another level there of athlete. I think you would agree. 1293 01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:39.559 It's just in numbers. They keep coming at you. And 1294 01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:41.639 that's what I remember. Nick Saban used to say this 1295 01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:43.559 all the time, and I've said this before in your show. 1296 01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:45.760 He used to point across the table when he was 1297 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.239 at LSU and at Alabama when I was doing SEC football, 1298 01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:51.800 was that, look, I've got these kids on the field now, 1299 01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:53.960 but I got better ones over across the way at 1300 01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:56.760 the eight dorm, the athletic dorm. I thought, Man, they 1301 01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.719 just continue at stockpile, stockpile, and that's not going to 1302 01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:03.039 change because first you're right about the money, second about 1303 01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:05.920 the nil the money that's going to be available to 1304 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:08.920 them to use to lure the five star recruits. So 1305 01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:12.559 Utah has to work harder. BYU does as well this year. 1306 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.760 I'm just stunned of how Byus run the table. But 1307 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:19.519 their mistake free football, I just don't see right now 1308 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.400 any real weakness Spence and Byu. Jake has thrown the 1309 01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:28.760 ball well, I believe like fourteen almost fifteen touchdowns close 1310 01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:30.719 to it. He can run out of the pocket if 1311 01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:35.239 he has to, and the defense man they're advantageous. They 1312 01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:38.000 stop on fourth down, they have sacks, they had what 1313 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:41.920 ten or eleven picks and four fumbles, five fumble recoveries. 1314 01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:44.800 They seem to just be on the page. This may 1315 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:49.599 be the greatest example with Utah and byu picked not 1316 01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:53.199 even to sniff in the big twelve and then the 1317 01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:58.400 top dog not delivering, and really, how about maybe just 1318 01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:02.199 falling under the pressure of trying to be a national championship, 1319 01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:05.199 national champion. In that conversation at the beginning of the year, 1320 01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:07.360 no one saw Cam getting hurt again. 1321 01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:07.840 He did. 1322 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:11.679 I am glad they'll spence. Wit came up quickly and 1323 01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.440 said he's out, and Isaac is our guy, and that 1324 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.639 was huge to go there, not dragging the longest injury 1325 01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:21.039 thing that we're moving forward. And that's the only thing 1326 01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:21.920 I think Wick could do. 1327 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.880 Well, said Bowler. I appreciate the time, man, have a 1328 01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:27.360 great time up in Portland's and we'll get you back 1329 01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:27.920 on next week. 1330 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:30.480 Okay, all right, good to talk to you. And by 1331 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:32.119 the way, it's raining it. 1332 01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:34.519 Is down here too, brother, so you're in good company. 1333 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:37.559 All good man, all right, all right, the great Craig 1334 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.119 Bowlerjack TV Voice of the Utah Jazz, brought to you by 1335 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:42.800 Big O' Tires. It's their false sale right now, their 1336 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.760 fall into saving sale. You get eighty to one hundred 1337 01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.599 dollars off select tires sets. Big o Tires is your 1338 01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:54.360 true one stop shop for automotive repair. Stop in for tiles, tires, wheels, alignments, 1339 01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:58.039 rotations and balances, oil changes, breaks, battery, shock struts, fluids 1340 01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:01.679 and more. Big Go Tires offers retire rotations, they do 1341 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:05.039 flat repairs, alignment and break checks. Make an appointment online 1342 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.960 or drop in. Get weird on a Thursday. Why not 1343 01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:11.000 we have weird on a Thursday. Chris com Ronnie is 1344 01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:14.400 live in studio. Now. You and I are both fans 1345 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.920 of the sunshine. Do you enjoy a little bit of 1346 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:18.639 rain from time to time or is this just an 1347 01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:24.239 indicator of what we're in form The answer is yes, okay, okay, 1348 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:27.119 like yes and yes, it's fine. 1349 01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:30.119 I think we were absurdly spoiled the last month. 1350 01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:30.719 Yes we were. 1351 01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:35.079 Something that's I don't remember ever happening here, like end 1352 01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.159 of September through basically most of October, where it's eighty 1353 01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:42.079 degrees every day, like no clouds in the sky. This 1354 01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:45.360 is fine, this is this is acceptable. I'm about it 1355 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:49.000 that rain and wind means like clear air, crispair, Yes 1356 01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:50.639 it does. And at the end of the day, that's 1357 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:52.440 what we're all aiming for in this place. 1358 01:07:52.239 --> 01:07:54.880 For sure, and we have been spoiled with an actual fall, 1359 01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.360 so we'll take that. Christopher, how are you man? Happy Thursday? 1360 01:07:58.360 --> 01:07:58.960 Things good with you? 1361 01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.119 I'm good man. I'm standing straight because I know I'm 1362 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:01.719 on YouTube. 1363 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.199 Chris is on YouTube. If you want to go watch 1364 01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:06.800 us on YouTube, go ahead. We get like two people. Man, 1365 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:08.440 don't worry about it, you know, And that's why I 1366 01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:11.199 keep the lights lowly. 1367 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.719 Four it's Aaron and John Paul waiting to get screen 1368 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:14.320 grabs of us embarrassing ourselves. 1369 01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:17.439 Good point. So wait, there's currently four viewers on YouTube. 1370 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.079 Yeah, pressures on it. Can you find out who it is? 1371 01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:22.399 Like? Can you see the accounts of good question? Can 1372 01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:25.920 you porter? Negative? All right? Negative? Well, let's see the 1373 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:29.199 Christopher Camaraddie falk Is one is one of them, though 1374 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.920 the Chris Comaraddi in studio situation might change things. So 1375 01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:35.079 hopefully we get to ten. Let's see if we can 1376 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:37.359 get to ten YouTube viewers by the end of four 1377 01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:40.479 point thirty, which is when Chris leaves us. So appreciate 1378 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:44.479 your time. Excellent shirt which features Aaron Falk on talking 1379 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:47.920 sports and that's the goat, Adam Miklitch behind him, correct 1380 01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:50.720 the goat? Do you need an explanation? Yes? Please? 1381 01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:54.399 So when Aaron was the jazz beat writer for the Tribune, 1382 01:08:54.479 --> 01:09:00.640 he was doing a live shot after the Joe Johnson 1383 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:05.720 Clippers series. They won Game seven from LA and KUTV 1384 01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.520 had Aaron on live to talk about it, and they 1385 01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.159 were kind of fumbling around last second to make sure 1386 01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:15.399 everything was going to be go off all copaesthetic and 1387 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:18.039 Adam to make sure Aaron got his ear piece in, 1388 01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:20.720 put the thumb behind it and shoved it basically all 1389 01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:23.399 the way into his ear drum. So that cringe you're 1390 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:26.560 seeing Aaron on Aaron's face is a legit painful. Oh 1391 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:28.960 I hope my ear drum hasn't ruptured. 1392 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.199 We're down to one viewer on you? Yes, getting a 1393 01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:35.239 oh man? 1394 01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:35.560 That is? 1395 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:38.520 Why do? Why don't I have that shirt? Can order one? 1396 01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:40.399 I'll send you in Oh please do? You can pick 1397 01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:41.279 your color and everything. 1398 01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:43.880 So if you want to see a T shirt with 1399 01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:46.960 a picture of Aaron Falk cringing because Adam Mikolich just 1400 01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:49.800 stabbed him in the ear. Drum Ck is wearing that 1401 01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:53.239 three viewers. Now we just added two viewers. Check out 1402 01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:55.680 our YouTube page if you'd like. Let's go all right, Chris, 1403 01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.479 you know what is the sky falling? You know, before 1404 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.039 we do that, let's save Utah football for the four 1405 01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.359 o'clock out. I like, and let's start with the lads. Okay, 1406 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:07.840 Let's start with the lads, okay, because I know it's. 1407 01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:10.760 In a little bit of like, you know, parking the bus, 1408 01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:12.880 so to speak, Like if we're playing online and we're 1409 01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:15.239 playing against a player that you know is better than you, 1410 01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:16.560 got to kind of play from the back. 1411 01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:19.600 That feels like a personal shot. But anyway, but I 1412 01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:22.880 know Trey's listening. He's crying real tears because we haven't 1413 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:25.079 talked to oursl and they play this week, and we'll 1414 01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:27.520 do a whole segment of Utah Football Cam rising in 1415 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:30.319 the four o'clock hour, and we'll also recap your trip 1416 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.199 to Hawaii to hunt for pigs with Trevor Riley. A 1417 01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:37.000 real thing. But as we approach the final match of 1418 01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:39.960 the season, you'll be good with us put into context 1419 01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:43.960 what setting a record would mean four points in a 1420 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:46.800 season if they get three on Saturday. That's oh wow. 1421 01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:48.680 I did not know that it would set a record 1422 01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:49.840 for the regular season. Wow. 1423 01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:54.000 I still think that we're playing the same amount of 1424 01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:58.199 regular season games as we did around the early twenty 1425 01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:01.279 tens to mid tens. They had really good runs, so 1426 01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:06.520 that obviously you can compare that fairly. On one hand, 1427 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:12.680 glass half full despite very lackluster last two months. The 1428 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:16.000 fact that you can still achieve that is impressive. Glass 1429 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:20.279 half empty. If they don't hit the skids in August, 1430 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:23.560 September and October, you wonder where this team could be. 1431 01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:25.399 Honestly, like I. 1432 01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:28.279 And this is going to be a talking point for 1433 01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:31.840 the fan base for a long time, is what was 1434 01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:34.840 the ultimate ceiling of this team before they had to 1435 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:38.279 sell Andras Gomas And I think you can make an 1436 01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:41.960 argument that it was a potential top two seed, but 1437 01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.600 as good as Andras was, and as in sync as 1438 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.000 he was with Diego Luna and Chico Rongo, it wasn't really. 1439 01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.960 It was kind of masking the defensive deficiencies of this 1440 01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:55.079 team for a long time. I mean, we were watching 1441 01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:59.560 very fun back and forth four two, five, three, three 1442 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:03.199 three games, which if you're even a casual soccer fan. 1443 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:06.640 You're stoked on because there's actual, tangibly cool stuff happening 1444 01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:07.119 on the field. 1445 01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:10.000 It was as entertaining of a group that potentially I've 1446 01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:10.880 ever seen here. 1447 01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:12.600 From an attacking standpoint. 1448 01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:15.720 Yeah. Yeah, And there will. 1449 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:18.039 Always be a what might have been type of deal, 1450 01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:21.000 my bet, there will always be a what type of 1451 01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:23.600 like what could have been? But andres had to be 1452 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:25.439 sold because you have to pocket that money. That is 1453 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.600 an insane amount of money. It's a club record. It's 1454 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:29.600 one of the highest fees in the history of the league. 1455 01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.520 And I don't think they I don't think they've missed 1456 01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.399 the mark with some of these investments. It's just it's 1457 01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:39.039 always hard to come into this league in the middle 1458 01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:41.199 of the season as an international player and hit the 1459 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:43.920 ground running. Look at Diego Gonzalveez, Like, this is a 1460 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:47.760 dude who basically owned Manchester United in a Champions League game, 1461 01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:51.439 and he's having trouble finding his spot in starting eleven. 1462 01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:53.560 It's not because he's not a good player or the 1463 01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:56.479 wrong player. It's just that Pablo has to figure out 1464 01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:01.079 who his best attacking group is right now, and currently 1465 01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:03.399 it's Diogo coming off the bench. It's Matt Crooks in 1466 01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:08.000 that attacking spot. It's Dominic mark Zuk, who's been very 1467 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.720 good I think since coming over. So a very long 1468 01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:13.560 winded way of saying, if they can achieve the points 1469 01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:16.800 record from a club standpoint, it's a huge accomplishment. But 1470 01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:19.399 it's just a very odd season that we'll look back 1471 01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:21.159 on for a multitude of reasons, and it's not a 1472 01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:23.239 bad thing. It's just something that this club has never 1473 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:24.399 really had to go through before. 1474 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:26.520 Yeah. Yeah, and you did a good job of unpacking it, 1475 01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:28.960 because ultimately it might be the right thing. But I 1476 01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:31.039 did feel like there was a chance, and I asked 1477 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.359 Kurt this, I asked Jason this, and I asked Pablo this. 1478 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.239 I felt like there was a chance that even though 1479 01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:39.039 to your point, you can't turn down that transfer fee, 1480 01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:43.000 they were trading the potential for something cool now for 1481 01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:45.239 the long game down the road, which again might be 1482 01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:48.520 the right thing. But in retrospect, did they do that 1483 01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:51.000 or do we still have to wait and see? 1484 01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:52.680 I think we still have to wait and see again, 1485 01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:56.800 Like if Andris is here, if Carlos is here, Carlos 1486 01:13:56.840 --> 01:14:03.079 Andres Gomess is still here, excuse me? Are they still 1487 01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:06.479 winning five three? Games, because if you are, that's not 1488 01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:09.920 sustainable in the playoffs. Good point, like we've seen when 1489 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:13.319 Ursel has had runs under Pablo, they're literally winning games 1490 01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:15.319 where they haven't registered a shot on goal, or if 1491 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:17.720 they've gone on the road and the only two shots 1492 01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:20.239 on goal that they've registered that those were two goals, 1493 01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:22.520 like against Kansas City a couple of years ago. Like 1494 01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:27.479 things tighten up in the postseason. So you you you 1495 01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:30.439 roll the dice, so to speak, in selling andris. But 1496 01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:34.079 there's just no way you could have turned that down 1497 01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:38.760 because the whole point for some clubs in this league 1498 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:40.039 is to do what ourselves doing. 1499 01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:43.039 That's just it correct. 1500 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:46.479 Yeah, and but in I think in oursl's mind, I 1501 01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:49.520 think ideally you're talking about homegrown players who are able 1502 01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:52.920 to fetch that kind of cash eventually. And they've had 1503 01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:55.359 some players here and there be you know, moved on 1504 01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:59.159 unfortunately not for any sums of money. Guys that left early. 1505 01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:02.960 You know, Ricardo Ledesma comes to Richie Ledesma comes to mind. 1506 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.239 He's in Holland and has been a very good player 1507 01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:10.600 over there. Sebastian Soto. But yeah, RSL is a club 1508 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:14.039 that is towing the fine line. Of competing for a 1509 01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:17.720 MLS Cup championship while also developing to sell on. 1510 01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:22.560 So as we approach Saturday, there's some interesting stories to 1511 01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:25.159 dig into, and you alluded to this. It appears that 1512 01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:29.000 Zach has his job back. Pablo yesterday said they're going 1513 01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:32.479 game by game, but Zach has had way too many 1514 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:37.880 gaffes that are so elementary and punitive that I'm sure 1515 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:41.119 there's a permeating nervousness in the fan base if it's Zach. 1516 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:44.000 But he does have this ability to be a little 1517 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.600 bit more front facing with his communication than Gavin does 1518 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:49.720 at eighteen what do you do back there? And look, 1519 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:51.680 I want to be clear, I always want to be 1520 01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.039 fair to keepers. It's never all as the work. 1521 01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:56.319 Listen, man, I play keeper and indoors sometimes and it 1522 01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:58.600 is the worst. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is the absolute 1523 01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:00.800 worst because you see every breakdown in front of your 1524 01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:04.119 right and yes, there have been some, as you mentioned, 1525 01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:07.680 elementary mistakes by both of those players, but it is 1526 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:11.760 it is an unforgiving position like it is not. It 1527 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:13.479 can be fun, but it is not fun. 1528 01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.840 So how much of the late game conceding of goals 1529 01:16:16.920 --> 01:16:20.520 and therefore losing of points is on the keeper? Situation 1530 01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:21.840 and how much of it is on the groove. 1531 01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:23.840 I mean, that's a good question. I think, like if 1532 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:26.159 you're looking at some of these goals that RSL has 1533 01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:29.279 been giving up late in games when they've seen leads disappear, 1534 01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:32.000 a lot of it is just guys tuning out for 1535 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:35.079 a split second, guys losing their marks. A lot of 1536 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:38.760 it is newer players being thrust into, you know, spots 1537 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.600 on the back line that you know, you're you're learning 1538 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:43.640 on the fly how to communicate with players that you 1539 01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:46.560 might only have known for the last two or three 1540 01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:48.520 weeks or the last two or three months. That stuff 1541 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:51.520 takes time. I mean again, like I know it's going 1542 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:54.600 to always be unfair to compare eras, but the reason 1543 01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.800 why you know RSL was once impossible to score on 1544 01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:00.479 was because they had basically the same five guys on 1545 01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:04.159 that back line for like four straight years, which is insane. 1546 01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:06.239 If you think about like that just doesn't really happen, 1547 01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:07.800 and you throw Kyle in the mix as well as 1548 01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:10.640 the defensive midfielder, it just doesn't happen. So if you're 1549 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:13.239 talking about who's at fault for a lot of these 1550 01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:16.000 costly late goals and these leads being conceded. 1551 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:17.159 I think it's everybody. 1552 01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:20.199 And it's really odd because if you think about Pablo, like, 1553 01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:22.199 I know, he's a vibes guy, but he's a I mean, 1554 01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:24.000 he's a defensive minded player. 1555 01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:25.119 That's what he did. 1556 01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:28.760 Yeah, that's that's how he basically cut his teeth in 1557 01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:34.359 the sport when he was a player. So I'm fascinated 1558 01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:37.119 to see how they look in the playoffs because if 1559 01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:40.159 they keep these kinds of like mental errors and lapses 1560 01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.119 of mental judgment going, they're going to be a quick 1561 01:17:43.159 --> 01:17:44.279 out no matter who they play. 1562 01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:46.399 So who do you think should be between the pipes? 1563 01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:48.239 I probably go with Zach. 1564 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:53.319 It's it kind of goes against everything that I stand 1565 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:55.720 for because you know, you know, I'm all about, like, 1566 01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:58.840 you know, playing the right goalkeeper in Major League socer. 1567 01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:00.720 I mean, you'll die on. 1568 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:04.359 Gavin Beavers is really well regarded in the youth. 1569 01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:07.199 National curious a talented kid, So. 1570 01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:09.760 I would assume that it will be Zach, But I 1571 01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:11.840 think this has to be the last year, like if 1572 01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:14.159 you're going to keep if Gavin is going to be 1573 01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:15.920 your guy for the future and a guy that you 1574 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:19.319 can see potentially, you know, establishing himself well enough that 1575 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:21.439 he could maybe be moved on overseas. 1576 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:23.880 He's got to have more games. He just has to. 1577 01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:26.840 Zach mcmathe cam rising of RSL. We'll get to that 1578 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:28.880 in a little bit too early of a transition. We'll 1579 01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:31.960 get to that a little bit. All right, let's let's 1580 01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:35.159 have a little fun here. Okay, So Pablo yesterday because 1581 01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:37.800 I asked him, Okay, you've been on a break, and 1582 01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:40.079 you know, the schedule has been a little bit chaotic. 1583 01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:43.640 So we've seen a lot of Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, and 1584 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:47.439 therefore Diego will sit on Wednesday, and then Chico will 1585 01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:51.159 sit on Saturday, et cetera, et cetera. He said on 1586 01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:54.880 Saturday he's going to march out the closest thing to 1587 01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:57.960 a first choice eleven to prepare for the playoffs now 1588 01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:01.000 that he's had a little bit of a break. Essenating Vera, 1589 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:05.119 My goodness, come on, dude, like second year in a row. 1590 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:07.640 I know it's such a horrible look, asked Pablo about 1591 01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:11.439 it yesterday. But Vera's out on Saturday and he misses 1592 01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:12.640 a playoff. 1593 01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:15.560 Match, So tell me, because I'm a terrible follower of 1594 01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:17.720 the sport, are we still in a best of three 1595 01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:19.760 in the first round or is it a one off. 1596 01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:23.279 Best of three? Okay, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure 1597 01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:25.479 it's best of three. We need a fact we're gon 1598 01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:27.439 need a fact check. Her back there, Porter, Porter is 1599 01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:30.199 our ESPN stats in the FO department. Here's the thing, 1600 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:32.960 the Mickey Mouse League changes. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, 1601 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:35.760 that's what I'm saying. I believe it's best of three if. 1602 01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:38.239 You if I hate that, I think it's so silly. 1603 01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:40.479 Trey's gonna call in eight seven seven three five three 1604 01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:43.039 zero seven hundred at any moment. I'm pretty sure it's 1605 01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:45.800 best of three. But do you think you can guess 1606 01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:49.079 what the eleven will be on Saturday if we go? 1607 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:51.560 I think if you're asking me or if I'm asking 1608 01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:52.920 you to read Pablo's mind. 1609 01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:56.720 Important line of delineation. You are trying to read Pablo's 1610 01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:59.119 mind about what the eleven will look like on Saturday. 1611 01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:00.880 If this is as close to a first choice is 1612 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:01.279 we're going to. 1613 01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:06.079 See, I'll go Zach and gold catrona set left back 1614 01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:09.520 Justin because they have no death Right now, I'm guessing 1615 01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:12.640 Philip Quinton next to Justin and then Andrew Brodie it right, 1616 01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:17.960 back midfield obviously a mecca. 1617 01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:19.560 Hada. 1618 01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:22.760 So this is where it gets tricky. I'm reading, I'm 1619 01:20:22.800 --> 01:20:27.079 reading Pablo's mind. I'm going to go Luna Crooks, Mark Zuke. 1620 01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:31.479 I know this is hard. 1621 01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:34.960 Either Diogo or Chicho. I know, No, it's Anderson or 1622 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:37.760 Chico right at the top. 1623 01:20:37.840 --> 01:20:39.159 Run me through your midfield the end. 1624 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:44.600 So I'm going I'm going at the holding spots and 1625 01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:47.720 then the three in front of them, I'm going Luna Crooks, 1626 01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:48.479 Mark Zuke. 1627 01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:51.399 So crooks instead of Diogo, Gotcha okay. 1628 01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:56.159 And then I'm gonna go Chiacho. But it but it's close. 1629 01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:59.479 They've looked better with and I'm not saying it's the 1630 01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:00.920 I'm not saying it's right or wrong. 1631 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:02.399 I'm just saying it's the hottest they take. 1632 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:04.640 They know they just have looked better with Anderson Julio 1633 01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:06.520 than chi Cho for the past several months. 1634 01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:07.000 How have they not? 1635 01:21:07.159 --> 01:21:10.720 Chi Cho hasn't scored and how long July seventeen, he's 1636 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:13.319 one goal away from breaking Savo's record for how long? 1637 01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:15.960 Four months? Do you think there's any shot that that. 1638 01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:18.079 Uh oh, there's a chance he doesn't break it. 1639 01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:22.319 Do you think that Pablo sits chi Cho on Saturday. Yeah, wow, 1640 01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:27.920 breaking news. 1641 01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:28.640 If you're talking about if we're going off of our 1642 01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:30.920 guy who is who is a vibes guy. 1643 01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:34.199 He is a vibes guy. But results have come this year. 1644 01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:36.640 Too, results have come. But I'm just saying, it's kind 1645 01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:39.319 of what have you done for me lately? And the 1646 01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:42.239 last couple of games. It is so obvious that Chiecho 1647 01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:45.800 is so in his head that I don't know. I 1648 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:47.920 honestly don't know who gives you the best chance to 1649 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:49.239 win right now? 1650 01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:50.600 Are you? 1651 01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:54.199 Are you going with your superstar striker who is terribly 1652 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:55.079 out of farm. 1653 01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:56.960 Coach win on me best chance to win. 1654 01:21:57.119 --> 01:21:59.119 I'm just saying, I don't think you're you're asking me 1655 01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:01.439 to read Pablo's mind if it's me. If it's me, 1656 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:04.279 I'm going pure FIFA, give me the highest overall rated 1657 01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.800 players and then let me hit Turbo and see what happens. 1658 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:08.680 Yeah, okay, we're on the same page then, because that's 1659 01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:11.439 what I would do. And you, okay, do you do 1660 01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:14.039 you think because I can remember I had you on. 1661 01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.000 I think it was just a couple of days after 1662 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:20.600 the suspension was announced, and I remember when I got 1663 01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:23.880 the alert that this was the deal and I you 1664 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:27.279 see things like that derail seasons all the time in 1665 01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:30.720 any sport. You think there's still something there with probably 1666 01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:32.880 because he has just not well and then he got 1667 01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:34.680 injured right as soon as he came out. True, But 1668 01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:37.479 there was a stretch Chris where if he only scored 1669 01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:39.680 one goal, you're like, what's up with the dude? And 1670 01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:40.920 now he hasn't scored since. 1671 01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:45.199 He had some he had some telepathic stuff going on 1672 01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:49.119 with Gomez where they were just always always on the 1673 01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:52.119 same page. I mean, I think him moving really really 1674 01:22:52.199 --> 01:22:57.960 hurt Chi. Cho's just connectivity. Like I would have to 1675 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:01.079 ask Trey, But I wonder of those seventeen goals, how 1676 01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:03.199 many were direct assists from from Andras. 1677 01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:06.239 Let's go to our ESPN Stats and Information department for 1678 01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:09.159 an update on the first round of the MLS playoff format. 1679 01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:13.720 Yes, so first round of course is as as it 1680 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:16.800 was last year. Round one, best of three. Of course, 1681 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.399 RSL misses the wild card, so that's well where they'll start. 1682 01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:24.439 All right, So best of three and home field advantage, 1683 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:27.640 home pitch advantage as it were. I believe that's on 1684 01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:30.119 the line. Because you know what's interesting, Chris. On Saturday, 1685 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:35.439 we have RSL taking on Vancouver, and then we have 1686 01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:40.319 Seattle taking on Portland. RSL and Sattle. It's a derby. 1687 01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:42.359 It is RSL and Seattle are still in the mix 1688 01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:45.079 for three, and Vancouver and Portland are trying to avoid 1689 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:47.680 the wildcard, which is a one match elimination, and those 1690 01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:50.600 games they first kick is at the same time. 1691 01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:54.760 Listen, man, I think if you're RSL, honestly, you want 1692 01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:56.159 to avoid Houston at all costs. 1693 01:23:56.199 --> 01:23:57.960 They just have their number. I don't. 1694 01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:01.039 I think there's I don't know what it is tack, 1695 01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:05.680 you know, from a tactical standpoint or whatever, but you've 1696 01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:09.079 seen different pieces come and go, but here or there, 1697 01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:12.399 Ben Olsen's group has had the best of Pablo side. 1698 01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:15.720 So it looks like it's going to be Houston. Right Like, 1699 01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:17.840 if we're looking at the standing. 1700 01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:21.800 If it started today five, if RSL wins and Seattle loses, 1701 01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:24.800 RSL will move up to third. Where's that Seattle game? 1702 01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:28.399 Seattle that is in Portland, So oursel's at home, Seattle's 1703 01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:31.000 in Portland. And if RSL moves up to third, they 1704 01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:35.479 could see, as JP would say, the Crappits, the hated Crappits. 1705 01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:37.319 I mean, that would be that would be good. Yeah, 1706 01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:38.880 that would be good. That looks like it's either gonna 1707 01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:39.840 be Houston or Colorado. 1708 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:44.840 I mean, Colorado has been much improved. But yeah, I 1709 01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:49.520 I it would be a a monkey off their back, 1710 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:52.119 so to speak, if they could draw Houston and eliminate them. 1711 01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.520 For sure. It just has looked real bad the last 1712 01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:56.560 couple of seasons. All right, before we break, and we'll 1713 01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:59.640 do a segment on Utah football, b YU football college 1714 01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:01.920 football coming up next. He K has been in the lab. 1715 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:06.079 We have now a very decent sample size of what 1716 01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:09.960 Linel Messi looks like in MLS and Miami potentially, well, 1717 01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:13.119 they're gonna win the Supporter Shield. They're three points and 1718 01:25:13.159 --> 01:25:15.840 they're also three points away from setting an MLS single 1719 01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:18.760 season record. How much of it is messy? How much 1720 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:20.800 of it is the embarrassment of riches and can anybody 1721 01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:22.319 beat them in the playoffs? 1722 01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:28.399 A lot, a lot, and yes, okay, a lot of 1723 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:30.640 it is massy, A lot of it is messy. A 1724 01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:32.960 lot of it is the insane amount of talent that 1725 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:35.840 they've added, albeit aging talent, and this is going to 1726 01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:39.159 make their last stop. It's MLS. But listen, man, like 1727 01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:44.439 you're talking about putting together like thirty percent of arguably 1728 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:47.039 the best club team ever. Maybe it's a decade later, 1729 01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:50.520 but you're still talking about or sorry, yeah, I'm missing 1730 01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:55.239 one Lionel Messi, Luis Suarez, Sergio Busquetz. 1731 01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:55.399 And Geordie Albo. 1732 01:25:55.479 --> 01:25:57.640 Yeah, like that is insane, it is, I'm sorry. And 1733 01:25:57.680 --> 01:25:59.640 the fact that they've all managed to stay healthy for 1734 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:01.720 the most part outside of Messi than when he got 1735 01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:05.960 hurt in Copa America. Like this, that team has been 1736 01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:08.920 as good, if not better without him as they have 1737 01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:12.079 been with him. But like in MLS, yes, can they 1738 01:26:12.119 --> 01:26:13.399 be beat, Yes, of course they can be beat. 1739 01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:17.479 It's MLS who last thing, who lives in their cul 1740 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:19.960 de sac. I mean I don't watch enough. I only 1741 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:23.119 watch RSL and then I'll check if Miami's on, and 1742 01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:25.159 of course you want to see what that looks like. Columbus. 1743 01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:29.159 Columbus is in their stratosphere. Anyone out West I would be. 1744 01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:31.960 I mean LA Galaxy have been really good, like they 1745 01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:35.600 finally ditch the superstar chasing mode. They do have Marco 1746 01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:40.039 Royce who just came up. But LAFC, Yeah, I think 1747 01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:42.159 if you're talking about the two best teams in the league, 1748 01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:43.359 It's Columbus, Miami. 1749 01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:46.199 Easy interesting, well fall soccer is a lot of fun. 1750 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:47.840 Want to mind you guys. Coming up tomorrow, we have 1751 01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:51.399 a special events at Overtime Cards and Collectibles gonna be 1752 01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.560 live at their new location in Sandy. Logan Cooley will 1753 01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:57.359 be there the Center for the Utah Hockey Club signing autographs. 1754 01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:01.000 You can buy tickets for the signing at Overtime Cardsancollectibles 1755 01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:03.640 dot com. It goes from five to seven tomorrow. 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It's 1769 01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:45.159 a good shout out, King, It's a good shout out 1770 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:48.720 to gen X, my generation, the generation that you best generation. 1771 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:52.159 You should you fit the description you You are a 1772 01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:54.279 millennial trapped in a gen x ER's body. 1773 01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.760 I believe that wholeheartedly, and I'm sad that I am 1774 01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:02.239 part of what I can argue is not the best generation. 1775 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:05.960 But hey, we move forward. Yeah, and nobody wants my 1776 01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:07.520 take on it. It's well documented. 1777 01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:10.840 They just gen X sounds cooler. It's like if you 1778 01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:13.720 when you say millennial does not sound cool, well and 1779 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:14.840 gen Z sounds cooler. 1780 01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:18.760 It is cooler, yes, millennials. Yeah, and we don't have 1781 01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:19.880 to you know what, I'm not going to do that 1782 01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:22.439 thing today. There's a certain age right now that I'm 1783 01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:24.199 having a tough time with in life. But I think 1784 01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:26.720 it's just just going to move on from all of that, 1785 01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:30.239 all right, Chris. Since you and I last spoke, uh, 1786 01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:34.159 the news became official that Cameron Rising is done for 1787 01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:38.600 the year. Yeah, second straight season. You had very unique 1788 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:40.960 access to Cam and his family for the piece you 1789 01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:43.319 wrote that I've sent people to over and over and over. 1790 01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:47.840 There is still this faction of our community that you know, 1791 01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:50.239 he's a sandbagger, he got paid, he should be playing. 1792 01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:54.199 I don't know how much attention I want to give 1793 01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:57.119 that faction of our community, but they do exist, and 1794 01:28:57.319 --> 01:28:58.119 the money thing does. 1795 01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:01.439 Can the players see it, which is unfortunately no. 1796 01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:03.479 No, I've been talking about that. Every time I hear 1797 01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:05.720 a coach say, well, I'm not on social media, I say, well, 1798 01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:09.159 guess what your players are, right, So let's just big 1799 01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:11.720 picture where you are with this entire thing. Second year 1800 01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:15.399 in a row, brutal development. 1801 01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:21.399 I can't remember the last time a local player had 1802 01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:25.800 as many high highs and low you know, personal lows 1803 01:29:25.800 --> 01:29:28.880 from an injury standpoint, like we don't. I guess Taysom 1804 01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:34.159 is like would be a close like analogy, but Tasom 1805 01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:36.159 never led them to COMPU championships. 1806 01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:38.920 Carlos Boozer, Yeah, yeah, but you're not wrong. 1807 01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:43.600 But like I'm just yeah, it's unfortunate. I mean, he 1808 01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:47.000 shouldn't have been out there, like clearly it did not 1809 01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:51.319 look right, and we can relitigate that till the cows 1810 01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:53.760 come home. But he's done for the year, and my 1811 01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:59.319 assumptions would be that the two sides, you know, hug 1812 01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:01.560 each other, give each other thanks and say we did 1813 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:03.680 a lot of cool stuff, but it's time to part ways. 1814 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:06.800 That is just an assumption on my part, and I 1815 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:09.439 think that would be best for both parties involved. 1816 01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:12.279 I agree with you there, and that obviously has been 1817 01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:14.520 a topic on the show. Eric Weddle was on on 1818 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:17.319 Monday and I asked him straight up his thoughts on 1819 01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:20.199 Cam coming back for an eighth year, and you can 1820 01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:21.920 go listen to it. I don't want to speak for him. 1821 01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:24.640 He wasn't taking a shot at Cam. He echoed what 1822 01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:26.880 you just said. Probably best for everybody to kind of 1823 01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:30.439 go their separate ways. I do have to say I 1824 01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:32.319 wouldn't blame Cam if he did it, Like if the 1825 01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:37.000 nil money is still there, he's not. I agree with that. 1826 01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:40.600 So but if it's even there for a couple hundred grand, come, 1827 01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:43.920 you know, be on the sideline and help Isaac Wilson 1828 01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:46.840 as a quasi backup. I don't know, I'm just thinking 1829 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:49.479 out loud, because what's Cam going to do next year 1830 01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:52.720 if he doesn't play football? Gordon joined us earlier. He 1831 01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:54.680 made a good point, like he's got a good community, 1832 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:56.680 if he's got an agent and he's made a little money. 1833 01:30:57.039 --> 01:30:59.439 A lot of these guys, like X BYU players latch 1834 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:02.159 onto the brow companies down south and make a lot 1835 01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:04.359 of money. They work down there, and there is a 1836 01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:06.560 community you have as a collegiate athlete where you're not 1837 01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:09.560 gonna go be the assistant manager at Shields. But what 1838 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:12.119 does he do next year if he doesn't play football? 1839 01:31:12.119 --> 01:31:13.640 Would you blame him if he came back. 1840 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:13.920 Oh? 1841 01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:15.520 No, I wouldn't blame him if he came back. But 1842 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:20.279 I mean, he has to make a business decision at 1843 01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:22.439 this point. Like he's made a lot of money, he's 1844 01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:25.600 been very successful. Does it make sense for him to 1845 01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:28.760 if he doesn't come back to Utah, does he want 1846 01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:32.800 to pursue going somewhere else? And what does that market 1847 01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:37.640 look like? I mean, because at this point, we don't 1848 01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:40.239 know what the severity of the injury is and how 1849 01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:42.840 long he's going to be out. Now, like when Kyle 1850 01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:44.279 says he's out for the rest of the year, we're 1851 01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:47.520 talking six games, which is basically two months. So I 1852 01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:51.119 would assume it's nothing serious. We haven't heard otherwise. But 1853 01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:56.520 Cam has made it very clear to me. His folks 1854 01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:58.359 have made it very clear to me that you know 1855 01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:02.159 he wants to give the NFL, And like, I'm not 1856 01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:04.920 comparing the two before people before the two people watching 1857 01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:06.079 on YouTube go nuts. 1858 01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:06.840 Five five. 1859 01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:11.560 Who would have thought that Taysom Hill would become a 1860 01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:15.000 very good NFL player? Totally different skill set. I get it, 1861 01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:17.000 But I'm just saying, like you're talking about a guy 1862 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:19.359 who had like the same awful injury three years in 1863 01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:21.760 a row, and all of a sudden became like a 1864 01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:25.720 very reliable, unique Swiss Army knife healthy player in the NFL. 1865 01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:32.680 So Cam ran into about of really crappy luck man, 1866 01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:36.319 Like that is the bottom line. Like you can't really 1867 01:32:37.640 --> 01:32:41.199 turn it or twist it any other way. The knee 1868 01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:45.039 injury was lingering two years ago. You know he heard 1869 01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:48.000 it in that crazy USC game and it prolonged and 1870 01:32:48.079 --> 01:32:52.760 eventually exploded. That's a that's a very big unfortunate reality. 1871 01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:57.279 The hand thing you never see happen, especially to your 1872 01:32:57.359 --> 01:32:59.800 throwing hand, you know, being shoved into a gatorade station 1873 01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:02.479 and got rolled up on. 1874 01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:04.880 It is what it is. 1875 01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:06.720 Again, Like I don't want to be that guy who 1876 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:09.119 sounds like a broken record. Can't be mad at football 1877 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:10.319 player for getting hurt. 1878 01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:13.520 Let me follow up, and I'll just ask you straight up, 1879 01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:18.479 outside of what you just said, what's your reaction to 1880 01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:21.039 the portion of the community that I perceive to be 1881 01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:23.399 real Because it's not just cowards that want to be 1882 01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:27.399 brave online. I've hurt real people who I know say 1883 01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:29.920 out loud that they're out on camp, like, just out 1884 01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:30.880 on them, just over it. 1885 01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:35.239 To that, I would say, the term fan is short 1886 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:38.039 for fanatic, and that is a very fanatic approach to 1887 01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:45.000 an existence that people have poured a lot of energy 1888 01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:49.520 and time and money into. But I'll tell you one thing. 1889 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:53.119 In this day and age, people can pay attention to 1890 01:33:53.199 --> 01:33:55.880 how fan bases treat their players. And if you're talking 1891 01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:59.680 about a place that has historically struggled to recruit and 1892 01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:03.920 return quarterbacks, if you're having their fan base turn on 1893 01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:06.159 one of the best to ever do it, it's not 1894 01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:09.479 a great look. That's just the reality. It's not a 1895 01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:09.880 great look. 1896 01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:12.560 They did lose a big time commit today as well, 1897 01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:16.720 a defensive lineman from Spanish Fork decommitted. He was one 1898 01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:19.039 of the best players they had in the class coming up. 1899 01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:21.439 I'm not drawing a straight line, but you're not wrong. 1900 01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:24.600 Let me ask you this, is there any part of 1901 01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:28.399 the entire dynamic that it's fair to be frustrated with. 1902 01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:32.640 You can be well, if you're asking me, my opinion 1903 01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:35.039 is you can be frustrated with the way Utah handled 1904 01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:41.159 the injury quote unquote reports the situation mainly last year. 1905 01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:45.359 I think this year people understood saw the writing on 1906 01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:52.359 the wall, realized kind of what was taking place. But again, 1907 01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:56.840 Kyle doesn't care. He doesn't you're talking about like, I mean, 1908 01:34:56.920 --> 01:35:00.800 is Kyle the most powerful, like non politician in this state? 1909 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.239 Probably honestly, Like. 1910 01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:06.520 He's a guy that could walk into most households and 1911 01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:08.880 everybody would just be like, here, let me make something 1912 01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:09.960 for you, please. 1913 01:35:09.800 --> 01:35:12.079 My guy Ryan might have a little power these days. 1914 01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:18.600 Okay, I guess, like, yeah, I guess I'm saying like 1915 01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:23.279 a player athlete from a player coach athlete point of view, 1916 01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:27.239 But yeah, they fans can be frustrated with that. 1917 01:35:29.920 --> 01:35:31.560 I do think we had. 1918 01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:38.079 An unfortunate bubbling to the surface of people believing that 1919 01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:40.640 this team was going to go undefeated in the Big 1920 01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:43.279 Twelve and that they were better than everybody else and 1921 01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:48.680 kind of drinking the kool aid, which is an overuse cliche. 1922 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:52.399 But this team has a lot of flaws and they 1923 01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:55.600 have a lot of injuries. But you know, teams also 1924 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.039 have other injuries across the country. Other teams have injuries 1925 01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:01.720 across the country, just have better depth. And that's just 1926 01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:03.840 the reality. We've talked about this ad nauseum. 1927 01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:08.640 Nick Saban two undefeated teams. Two of his national championship 1928 01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:11.680 teams went undefeated in his entire run. Like even the best, 1929 01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:14.760 it doesn't happen very often. I don't think I ever 1930 01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:19.399 thought they were in that stratosphere potentially running the table, 1931 01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:21.800 but I did think they'd have something to say about 1932 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:23.239 the Big twelve championship. 1933 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:26.439 Oh yeah, day, yeah, if Cam stays healthy. Listen, Cam 1934 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:28.439 looked like his old self the first game and a 1935 01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:31.880 half until he got hurt again, two different injuries. I'm 1936 01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:35.000 sorry it happens, but eventually you got to turn the page. 1937 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:38.600 It is a cutthroat, unforgiving business for a player in 1938 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:43.479 college football. You can be a superstar, millionaire, nil quarterback 1939 01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:45.439 one day and then you get hurt and then you 1940 01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:48.399 have to figure out what's next. For Cam, that's where. 1941 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:49.840 He's at and it is time to turn the page. 1942 01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:50.880 So let's let's talk ball. 1943 01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:54.720 Okay. I came prepared listen. I know I'm prepared. Okay, 1944 01:36:55.279 --> 01:36:56.720 where do you want to start offense or defense? 1945 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:59.880 I want to start with the dynamic on Saturday night 1946 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:04.399 where TCU is not great against the run. Okay there, 1947 01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:06.359 I think one hundred and sixteenth in the country against 1948 01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:09.399 the run. And you can't put everything on the shoulders 1949 01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:13.119 of your freshman quarterback. I think we see Andy Ludwig 1950 01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:17.640 and this entire approach go old school entirely. You got 1951 01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:19.800 to start winning the line of scrimmage again. You've got 1952 01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:21.439 to be better against the run. And I think we're 1953 01:37:21.439 --> 01:37:23.640 gonna see a healthy dose in Mackai Bernard. And I 1954 01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:26.279 think they're gonna do everything they can to surround Isaac 1955 01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:30.199 with healthy needs instead of making him be cammed from 1956 01:37:30.199 --> 01:37:32.600 two years ago. I feel like this is a game 1957 01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:34.600 that they can get because TCU doesn't stop the run. 1958 01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:36.239 I think we're gonna see a healthy dose of the 1959 01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:37.000 Utah run game. 1960 01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:40.119 Okay, stats, bring it, came, came prepared. I know you 1961 01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:43.960 did total offense right now in the country fifty eighth. 1962 01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:48.800 This is Utah Utah rushing offense fifty sixth, which is 1963 01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:51.039 lower than I thought because McKay has been good. Yeah, 1964 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:55.319 but he's really been the only like there isn't really he's. 1965 01:37:55.239 --> 01:37:56.600 A best player on the team. Yeah. 1966 01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:00.560 Passing offense sixty sixth, only ten spots behind the Russian defense. 1967 01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:06.399 First downs tied for seventy seconds, scoring offense eighty first, 1968 01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:09.880 red zone offense eighty ninth. And this is the craziest 1969 01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:12.920 part to me. Time of possession second in the country. 1970 01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:16.520 So Utah has the second best time of possession in 1971 01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:19.439 the country, but they have not been able to cash 1972 01:38:19.479 --> 01:38:25.239 in no matter who's at quarterback. That is a huge 1973 01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:28.359 problem considering the weapons that they have. And I understand 1974 01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:31.000 fans have been frustrated with the offensive play calls and 1975 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:33.560 the schemes and whatnot. And there have been some very 1976 01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:38.000 head scratching calls, you know, second and ten wildcat to 1977 01:38:38.039 --> 01:38:40.720 brand Keithy, where you obviously know what's going to happen, 1978 01:38:41.079 --> 01:38:43.319 that kind of stuff in the red zone. 1979 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:44.079 It doesn't work. 1980 01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:49.239 But Andy and his staff have to figure out a 1981 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:51.640 way to Taylor an offense that fits who they have, 1982 01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:56.560 and right now they have Mackay Bernard, they have Dorian Singer, 1983 01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:59.840 Bran Keithy's looked okay, and they to your point, they 1984 01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:04.920 have to make Isaac Wilson look comfortable because I think 1985 01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:07.640 if you're talking about that Arizona game, like we talked 1986 01:39:07.640 --> 01:39:09.800 about it, if you kick field goals there and don't 1987 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:12.920 go for it twice on fourth and goal, you probably 1988 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:15.239 have a little bit of confidence. If you're Isaac, like 1989 01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:17.479 you're bummed that you didn't get into the end zone, 1990 01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:20.479 but shoot, it's still six zero or seven to six. 1991 01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:23.079 That matters for young players. 1992 01:39:23.800 --> 01:39:24.399 And like. 1993 01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:28.000 Andy, this isn't Andy's first rodeo. He's done it a 1994 01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:29.880 bunch of schools. He's done it here with a bunch 1995 01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:33.720 of different quarterbacks. But it is odd considering the personnel 1996 01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:35.520 that they have at their disposal. I mean, most of 1997 01:39:35.560 --> 01:39:39.000 the injuries have come on the defensive side of the ball. 1998 01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:43.800 Outside of camp, right, I mean, like yeah, I mean 1999 01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:46.800 they're they're wide receivers of stayed healthy, brand has stayed healthy. 2000 01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:49.399 Everybody's obsessed with the amount of tight ends that they have. 2001 01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:51.920 Like you know, you know, Cale Blowner had a good 2002 01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:55.039 game against somebody a few weeks ago. Red zone threat, 2003 01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:58.760 red zone threat, six to seven, Throw it up. But 2004 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:01.760 you don't want to say it's all on the offense, man, 2005 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:05.399 It's not, because the entire team Listen, Utah has not 2006 01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:07.720 looked good in one game this year. They have not 2007 01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:10.319 looked good in one game. We're six games in and 2008 01:40:10.359 --> 01:40:12.000 I was looking at this up the other day. When 2009 01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:13.960 was the last time Utah beat a good team? In 2010 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:14.439 your mind? 2011 01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:19.079 Off the top, I'll go USC a year ago, who 2012 01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:22.119 was not a great team two years ago, SC, that's 2013 01:40:22.199 --> 01:40:24.079 the twelve champion. That's the last time they beat a 2014 01:40:24.079 --> 01:40:24.479 good team. 2015 01:40:24.560 --> 01:40:28.520 Ye And the only other time they beat a good 2016 01:40:28.520 --> 01:40:31.079 team that year was the previous time they'd beat USC 2017 01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:33.760 in the Crazy Cam game here and Dalton Kincaide game. 2018 01:40:35.279 --> 01:40:38.640 Utah has not played well like and I understand. 2019 01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:39.079 Listen. 2020 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:42.039 The injuries to the most important position on the field 2021 01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:45.680 will derail lots of people, of course, but this team 2022 01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:47.880 has failed to meet expectations that I think a lot 2023 01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:52.840 of people have, unfortunately and unfairly to them, blowed it 2024 01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:54.159 up in recent years. 2025 01:40:54.479 --> 01:40:58.039 Did you think Saturday Night is something that will manifest 2026 01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:01.680 itself as a get right type situation? They get healthy. 2027 01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:03.239 Gotta see it. I'm not going to believe until I see. 2028 01:41:03.279 --> 01:41:05.199 I mean, the vibes are not good, man. They do 2029 01:41:05.319 --> 01:41:05.960 not look good. 2030 01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:08.239 They're not turning the other team over. They lost the 2031 01:41:08.279 --> 01:41:10.760 turnover battle the past couple of games. Want some stats, 2032 01:41:10.960 --> 01:41:13.560 bring it, bring it. I will say this before you 2033 01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:18.079 levy your stats on me. I do think the rushing 2034 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:21.239 defense numbers are a little bit cloudy right now because 2035 01:41:21.560 --> 01:41:23.840 a couple of big runs from the Skataboo kid, like 2036 01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:27.279 fifty eight to forty eight. Look, you can't let that happen, correct, 2037 01:41:27.399 --> 01:41:30.439 But ultimately I think if they can get Karene back 2038 01:41:30.439 --> 01:41:33.600 and Conner back, and I still think defensively, they're going 2039 01:41:33.680 --> 01:41:34.640 to be fine stopping the run. 2040 01:41:34.640 --> 01:41:38.760 But if you're Utah, if you're Utah, if you are 2041 01:41:38.920 --> 01:41:41.760 the program that is known locally and nationally to be 2042 01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:45.680 a quote unquote badass defense every year, are two players 2043 01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:47.439 really going to make that much of a difference. 2044 01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:48.960 Shouldn't be? They shouldn't be exactly. 2045 01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:52.560 Yeah, Okay, rushing defense forty second in the country, which 2046 01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:54.680 is not where Utah is used to be. And you know, 2047 01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:58.560 piggybacking off your point against Skataboo against Arizona, those kids 2048 01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:01.439 were running like eight or nine yards every single. 2049 01:42:01.159 --> 01:42:02.600 Touch open for sure. 2050 01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:07.039 Turnovers tied for fifty ninth in the country, which is 2051 01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:10.560 very not not like Utah. And this was the craziest 2052 01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:13.640 one to meet. Red zone defense tied for ninety six. 2053 01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:18.760 The opposing team scores on ninety percent of the time 2054 01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:19.319 they get. 2055 01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:22.319 Into ooh not good, not good, not good. 2056 01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:25.399 So again, like, while people are pissed that Cam got hurt, 2057 01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:28.199 while they're pissed about the offensive red zone numbers, this 2058 01:42:28.279 --> 01:42:31.119 is not on one player or one group. The entire 2059 01:42:31.159 --> 01:42:34.760 team has failed to meet expectations. And that's okay. But again, 2060 01:42:35.199 --> 01:42:38.840 like maybe we were two not locally and nationally. Maybe 2061 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.920 people were lazy, Maybe people were like up, cam Riising's 2062 01:42:41.960 --> 01:42:44.560 coming back. He hasn't played in a year and a half, 2063 01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:46.199 but he's going to be the same guy that he was. 2064 01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:48.399 Brand Keith he hasn't played in two years. Oh, he's 2065 01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:50.079 going to be the same guy that he was. Kai 2066 01:42:50.119 --> 01:42:53.279 Bernard out for a year. He's looked good. But like 2067 01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:55.680 these were huge questions around a team that had a 2068 01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:58.319 lot of questions going in regardless. 2069 01:42:57.720 --> 01:42:59.479 Yeah, Kyle's built a bit of a benefit of the 2070 01:42:59.479 --> 01:43:01.920 doubts that you absolutely there's no doubt. It's a good point. 2071 01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:05.119 A few minutes left before I set you loose. The 2072 01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:07.840 team that is using the Utah ethos to win games 2073 01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:10.960 is forty miles down south Man because they're turning the 2074 01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:16.359 other team over. They won the turnover battle every single game. Statistically, 2075 01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:20.399 their defensive numbers not just better this year, far better. 2076 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:23.159 They couldn't get to the quarterback last year. They didn't 2077 01:43:23.199 --> 01:43:26.239 make very many transfer portal additions. They just relied on 2078 01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:29.600 continuity and giving Jay Hill another year. And you know, 2079 01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:31.600 I even heard Jay Hill say four and a score. 2080 01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:34.439 That's an old John PA's Utah saying like they are 2081 01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:36.600 using the model the Utah wants to be using and 2082 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:38.600 they're doing it much better than Utah is forty miles 2083 01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:39.399 that south of the year. 2084 01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:42.760 How many people on that staff were on Kyle staff 2085 01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:43.359 at one point. 2086 01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:46.359 Except Papina probably, I really like you. 2087 01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:48.960 Can go down the list, but yeah, to your point, 2088 01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:53.600 they are not losing the turnover battle. They don't have 2089 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:55.960 like a standout offensive player. 2090 01:43:56.479 --> 01:43:59.439 They have seventeen different players who've scored touchdowns. Isn't that 2091 01:43:59.520 --> 01:43:59.960 mind blow? 2092 01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:02.800 There you go? I mean they've played like eight running backs. 2093 01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:06.119 They do have really good receivers. I mean, I'll give 2094 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:08.359 them that. I mean, like, but they don't have a 2095 01:44:08.439 --> 01:44:11.079 you know, a McMillan kid, like. They have a bunch 2096 01:44:11.119 --> 01:44:14.880 of really good receivers, and you know, Jake Reetzlof has 2097 01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:18.039 made some boneheaded plays in the past, but he looks 2098 01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:22.760 really good. Man like Aaron Roderick knows what he's doing, 2099 01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:25.159 Like he knew what he was doing here. He knows 2100 01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:27.279 what he's doing down there. But to your point about 2101 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:30.960 the defense, like they didn't go out and make wholesale changes. 2102 01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:35.359 They got really good in the linebacker room. And some 2103 01:44:35.399 --> 01:44:38.960 of those were portal ads. The Tiger Kid came from Oregon. 2104 01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:44.760 Jack Kelly came from Weber State. I don't know if 2105 01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:47.479 Glasker was a transfer or not, but he's a local 2106 01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:49.399 kid who's been really good. I mean, like, BYU has 2107 01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:51.159 the best linebacker corp in the Big twelve. It's not 2108 01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:51.760 even close. 2109 01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:54.359 It's so crazy to say, but you're not wrong. 2110 01:44:54.520 --> 01:44:58.479 So like, to me, the most interesting part of this 2111 01:44:58.600 --> 01:45:02.640 whole start is if you're comparing, like you can make 2112 01:45:02.680 --> 01:45:06.960 a comparison almost like Utah fans have been so spoiled 2113 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:10.279 with the success of the last twenty years. BYU fans 2114 01:45:10.279 --> 01:45:15.119 have been spoiled from the previous success of the Lovelle 2115 01:45:15.239 --> 01:45:18.600 Edwards regime. That like, coming into the season, people were 2116 01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:22.560 saying Kilani was on the hot seat Spence like like 2117 01:45:22.640 --> 01:45:27.039 that stuff to me is one it's silly because it's BYU. 2118 01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:30.000 There are only two coaches out there, in my opinion, 2119 01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:33.399 in the in the NFL and college football realm, who 2120 01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:36.359 would be considered upgrades to Kolonie Sataki right now. You 2121 01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:37.600 want to name him Andy. 2122 01:45:37.359 --> 01:45:41.239 Reid Kyle Whittingham. Seriously, like people. 2123 01:45:41.079 --> 01:45:44.239 Who think that like there would there was going to 2124 01:45:44.279 --> 01:45:47.880 be a better direction for the program to go live 2125 01:45:47.920 --> 01:45:54.800 in a unfortunate reality and don't understand the the difficulties 2126 01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:58.119 of recruiting and retaining talent at BYU. So the fact 2127 01:45:58.159 --> 01:46:00.960 that Kilani has been able to do that, albeit there 2128 01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:03.159 have been some down years, you know last year in 2129 01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:03.560 the Big. 2130 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:05.199 Twelve for sure, on yea, yeah, what's tough. 2131 01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:07.800 But they weren't getting their doors blown off them every 2132 01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:10.800 week like they lost some brutal games the Okay State game. 2133 01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:12.840 You know they were talking about this week time insane, 2134 01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:20.399 Like listen, BYU fans should be throwing a party every 2135 01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:22.720 single weekend knowing that they have Kalani Sataki as their 2136 01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:25.880 head coach. Because it is probably the most difficult place 2137 01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:28.920 to recruit and retain players at the P four level 2138 01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:29.479 in the country. 2139 01:46:29.560 --> 01:46:31.640 I don't disagree with you. Have you ever tried a 2140 01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:32.279 cougar tail? 2141 01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:32.880 I have not. 2142 01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:35.720 You're kind of anti sugar though. 2143 01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:37.800 It's not that I'm anti sugar. I just feel like 2144 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:39.239 I'm just gonna get a migraine. 2145 01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:44.000 Would you rather have beer or milk poured on you? Oh, 2146 01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:47.479 that's a good question, both same time at the same time. 2147 01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:49.880 If you want to party, all right, let me ask 2148 01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:53.000 you this. You know you're old enough to know. Like 2149 01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:57.279 Lavelle was like twenty one and two against Utah right now, 2150 01:46:57.279 --> 01:47:01.560 there's a generation under Kyle of Utah football dominance over BYU. 2151 01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:02.479 It's a full generation. 2152 01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:06.560 I'm talking about like your son's age, where they like 2153 01:47:06.680 --> 01:47:08.239 just showed up and they're like, oh, we're gonna win. 2154 01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:10.600 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. And when I was growing up, 2155 01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:12.760 he was the exact opposite. If the games were close, 2156 01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:15.720 it was a miracle. Utah very rarely won those games. 2157 01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:19.640 And for you fans of a certain age, namely mine 2158 01:47:19.640 --> 01:47:22.199 and maybe a little bit older, there's kind of this 2159 01:47:22.359 --> 01:47:27.520 permeating nervousness that the pendulum ishak beneath their feet. Yeah, 2160 01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:30.039 because look, if you were a diehard youth fan the 2161 01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:34.159 Lavelle years were painful, you never won, you never had 2162 01:47:34.159 --> 01:47:37.119 a chance. Oftentimes you were insignificant. And then Ronnie Mack 2163 01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:39.359 takes over and evens the playing field a bit, and 2164 01:47:39.399 --> 01:47:42.439 then since Urban and Kyle, it's been all Utah. Do 2165 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:44.439 you think we're seeing the beginning of a moment? I 2166 01:47:44.439 --> 01:47:46.720 don't want to be hyperbolic or a prisoner of the moment, 2167 01:47:46.760 --> 01:47:49.600 but could this be the start of the next BYU generation? 2168 01:47:49.760 --> 01:47:53.199 I would have to see BYU put together a few 2169 01:47:53.239 --> 01:47:55.439 really good seasons in a row. I mean, I think 2170 01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:59.479 like Colonne and his staff have had a couple of 2171 01:47:59.479 --> 01:48:01.800 good seasons and then a bad season, A couple of 2172 01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:05.880 good seasons and then a bad season. We'll see how 2173 01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:08.119 this year finishes, and we'll see how they look next year. 2174 01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:12.479 You're talking about a lot of mitigating factors involved in this, too, 2175 01:48:12.520 --> 01:48:15.840 like the fact that BYU went independent and basically could 2176 01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:19.039 not recruit to the same level as their art rival. 2177 01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:23.319 You're talking about moving from one head coach that wasn't 2178 01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:27.479 very widely liked in Bronco Mendenhall to a guy that 2179 01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:30.720 has very widely liked in Kaloni Sataki, And you're talking 2180 01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:34.439 about the ultimate equalizer was the guy who's coaching Utah 2181 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:36.920 used to play at BYU played for a little Bell 2182 01:48:37.439 --> 01:48:39.560 said no, it was Alma mater and really. 2183 01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:40.119 Likes beating them. 2184 01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:43.039 So like Utah going to the PAC twelve and BYU 2185 01:48:43.079 --> 01:48:46.840 going independent. I mean this, that topic has been, you know, 2186 01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:52.039 relitigated ad nauseum for decades on local radio. But I'll 2187 01:48:52.039 --> 01:48:54.119 have to see BYU string together a couple of good 2188 01:48:54.119 --> 01:48:59.239 seasons in a row and simultaneously see if Utah doesn't 2189 01:48:59.279 --> 01:49:02.079 fall off the map. But if they're going seven and five, 2190 01:49:02.199 --> 01:49:04.000 six and six, the way they were early on in 2191 01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:06.119 the PAC twelve, then we can have that conversation. 2192 01:49:06.359 --> 01:49:10.880 Coach Wit retires, Kilani has a rough couple of years. Uh, no, 2193 01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:13.239 excuse me, Morgan has a rough couple of years. Utah 2194 01:49:13.399 --> 01:49:16.880 hires Kilani, and BYU talks coach Wit out of retirement. 2195 01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:20.359 See what I just did. That's called sports radio black 2196 01:49:20.439 --> 01:49:21.279 magic right there. 2197 01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:25.159 I mean that my wife like teases men in general 2198 01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:27.600 by saying, like, you can't be mad at people for 2199 01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:30.840 liking reality TV because sports is the ultimate, like version 2200 01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:33.800 of drama and reality TV. With the fact that you're 2201 01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:35.439 that's even thrown out there. 2202 01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:39.760 Yeah, without the negative influences. Oh, Yeah, there's no negative influences. Yeah, 2203 01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:43.399 in sports there's a few, but it's not permeating throughout 2204 01:49:43.439 --> 01:49:46.680 society and culture. No, I've always said, and you know, 2205 01:49:46.840 --> 01:49:51.079 like old school WWE wrestling, that is the soap operas 2206 01:49:51.079 --> 01:49:54.079 for men. Oh absolutely? Did you watch the Vincement mcmandals 2207 01:49:54.079 --> 01:49:57.000 even started it? I need to. It's pretty compelling. That's 2208 01:49:57.039 --> 01:50:00.199 one thing I can actually tell you they they did. Okay, 2209 01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:01.720 that's one thing I can tell you to watch that 2210 01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:04.039 you haven't watched yet. Yeah, No, that's that's good. I want. 2211 01:50:04.039 --> 01:50:05.680 I want to watch it because I'm sure they went 2212 01:50:05.760 --> 01:50:07.359 to Stone Colds Ranch. 2213 01:50:07.439 --> 01:50:09.479 They did. They did. It's right. What else you got 2214 01:50:09.520 --> 01:50:13.520 for me as far as what I can watch right now? Nothing? Uh? Nothing? 2215 01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:14.119 Good man. 2216 01:50:15.239 --> 01:50:17.880 Honestly, we are not watching any new shows. 2217 01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:20.479 Lose Clues and is that still a thing for the kids. 2218 01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:23.359 Lose Clues now? Too bad? Yeah? All right man, great 2219 01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:26.159 to see. Okay, great, Chris Camaraddie. Let's bring in Ryan 2220 01:50:26.199 --> 01:50:27.680 from the Dish pros. Give them a call it eight 2221 01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:30.399 oh one, four to two four Dish upgrade, save money, 2222 01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:31.920 support local. What's going on? Ryan? 2223 01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:36.319 This is the time guys lower your bills and this 2224 01:50:36.359 --> 01:50:38.199 is what we do day in day out. I had 2225 01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:42.359 another customer almost one hundreds and fifty dollars a month. Guys, 2226 01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:45.960 this is that simple. Call us up. Listen your cable 2227 01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:49.439 company or your other TV provider, or even your fiber company. 2228 01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:54.560 They don't send you big flashing lot signs that say 2229 01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:57.439 hey we raised your bill. It just goes up. 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Get you set up before the weekend. 2247 01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:51.680 Four two four Dish's eight oh one four two four 2248 01:51:52.199 --> 01:51:53.399 three four seven four A. 2249 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:57.880 There he is Ryan from the Dish Bros. I can't lie. 2250 01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:00.520 It's a really cool interest song. It's one of the 2251 01:52:00.520 --> 01:52:02.840 coolest scenes in college football. I've never been there, but 2252 01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:05.600 Porter is a VA Tech fan Blacksburg. It's be going 2253 01:52:05.640 --> 01:52:09.479 crazy Overtime Cards and Collectibles coming up tomorrow. We have 2254 01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:12.000 a busy afternoon drive. I'll be at the Snowmobile XFO, 2255 01:52:12.439 --> 01:52:14.279 so come say what's up out of the Mountain America 2256 01:52:14.319 --> 01:52:17.319 Expo Center. And then at five o'clock we're gonna move 2257 01:52:17.319 --> 01:52:20.800 our programming over to overtime Cards and Collectibles. Logan Cooley, 2258 01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:23.439 the Center of the Utah Hockey Club is gonna be 2259 01:52:23.439 --> 01:52:26.840 there signing autographs for fans. Scott Mitchell will be on 2260 01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:29.479 air while I'm driving over there, so thank you to Scott. 2261 01:52:29.560 --> 01:52:32.039 Then I'll show up and do some radio until seven o'clock. 2262 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:34.119 We'd love to see You can buy tickets for the 2263 01:52:34.159 --> 01:52:38.239 signing at Overtime Cards and Collectibles dot Com. All right, Porter, 2264 01:52:38.319 --> 01:52:40.359 what comes our way on a Friday edition of the show. 2265 01:52:41.159 --> 01:52:44.159 On a Friday edition of the program, Spence, we will, 2266 01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:46.960 as you mentioned, kind of go all over the map 2267 01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:51.600 talking some RSL, talking some jazz preseason, Richard Smithy Smith 2268 01:52:51.880 --> 01:52:55.680 makes his return from the Black Desert Championship talking some jazz. 2269 01:52:55.720 --> 01:52:58.640 Maybe he talks some football as well, Real salt Lake, 2270 01:52:58.720 --> 01:53:02.880 a front office member, probably Jason christ on a Friday. 2271 01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:06.079 And then of course some college football for you. JB 2272 01:53:06.520 --> 01:53:10.520 Long talking some PAC twelve, Big twelve, NFL wherever you 2273 01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:13.720 want to go with him, Yogi Roth on a Friday 2274 01:53:13.800 --> 01:53:15.680 as well, and then we'll hand it over to Scott 2275 01:53:15.720 --> 01:53:18.880 Mitchell and the folks at overtime with our friend Logan 2276 01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:20.079 kol Utah Hockey Club. 2277 01:53:20.079 --> 01:53:21.840 There you go. That'll be a fun Friday show. So 2278 01:53:21.960 --> 01:53:24.520 get your weekend started out the right way with us 2279 01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:28.119 coming up next Thursday night, Football Denver, New Orleans. Special 2280 01:53:28.199 --> 01:53:31.319 thank you today to Gordon Monson, Craig Bowlerjack Chris Comroddie 2281 01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:33.039 as well for any the sound you made this from 2282 01:53:33.039 --> 01:53:35.640 the show. Go to the website. It's ESPN seven hundred 2283 01:53:35.640 --> 01:53:39.319 sports dot com. 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