Speaker 1: Now Biden's lust for war. Top of the hour, State
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Speaker 1: and the meantime, welcome back from the Buckeye Institute, which
Speaker 1: you can find online at Buckeyeinstitute dot org. Greg lost
Speaker 1: and good you have it back on, Greg.
Speaker 2: Hey, It's always great to be on with You really
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate what the Buckeye Institute does. And one
Speaker 1: of the things, and you and I have had conversations
Speaker 1: in the past about licensure requirements and the number of
Speaker 1: people that need a license to do their jobs is
Speaker 1: just it's batcrap insane. If I can boil it down
Speaker 1: to that simple term, you know, like for example, I
Speaker 1: was joking this morning. You know, my daughter and her
Speaker 1: friends used to braid each other's hair. You know, if
Speaker 1: any monetary exchange was made, then they would be in
Speaker 1: violation of law because they don't have a license, a
Speaker 1: cosmetology license or something. Hair braiding, fingernails, the simple things
Speaker 1: that require a license obviously are a huge impediment that
Speaker 1: people joining the workforce. So I see that the Buckeye
Speaker 1: Institute is all over this house built two thirty eight.
Speaker 1: So what's that about, and what can we do to
Speaker 1: open more doors to occupational licensing reform here in Ohio?
Speaker 2: Ken or Great, Sure, it's it's been an issue that
Speaker 2: we've been telling for a long time, licensing issues, and
Speaker 2: so House Built through thirty eight is actually the result
Speaker 2: of previous legislation that passed a couple of legislative cycles
Speaker 2: back that created an entire process for reviewing occupational licenses
Speaker 2: that made the legislature have to have every single license
Speaker 2: and every single licensing board come before a committee in
Speaker 2: both the House and the Senate and essentially justify what
Speaker 2: they were doing, explain licensed by license.
Speaker 1: Bass I love that, Yeah, explain yourself, justify your existence.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Well, and we're actually oneed to kind of put that together.
Speaker 2: We worked with some folks who are really good at this,
Speaker 2: and we put together the entire pack. It's actually the
Speaker 2: bill that created this whole process is something that we
Speaker 2: did and some wonderful legislators took it up, including actually
Speaker 2: the next probably the next Senate President was one of
Speaker 2: the key sponsors of this legislation several cycles back. So
Speaker 2: that that I think is a good sign. So we
Speaker 2: were really happy with it. So what they have to
Speaker 2: do is they have to look at essentially every two years,
Speaker 2: they had to look at one third of all licenses
Speaker 2: and renew them, or if they didn't actively proactively renew them,
Speaker 2: they would sunset go away and essentially deregulate them. So
Speaker 2: what that's done is this is the last of the
Speaker 2: initial review process. So this is the last basically grouping
Speaker 2: of all the licenses in the state. So over the
Speaker 2: last six years, the General Assembly has looked at every
Speaker 2: single license and every single licensing board in the state
Speaker 2: and has had to and again have them explain themselves
Speaker 2: and justify themselves. And so the legislation two thirty eight
Speaker 2: is basically this particular General Assembly's version of the review
Speaker 2: looking at the ones that hadn't yet already previously been examined.
Speaker 2: So the House did some really good work. The sponsored
Speaker 2: the bill, did a great job. Chairman the Committee did
Speaker 2: a great job. The spot the chair of the committee
Speaker 2: in the Senate is an incredible legislator at Christina Rodener.
Speaker 2: Can't say enough nice things about her. So this is
Speaker 2: really a great opportunity to pair of things back. And
Speaker 2: what's happening is you're getting rid of some licenses. But
Speaker 2: sometimes the other thing that happens is that you'll find
Speaker 2: that Ohio will stick out like a sore thumb when
Speaker 2: you compare it to other states. In other words, we
Speaker 2: have much higher burdens or license fees, or you have
Speaker 2: to renew every year. It's that every two or three years.
Speaker 2: There's so many different, you know, ways that this breaks down,
Speaker 2: but Ohio tends to sometimes even in the things that
Speaker 2: are going to retain their license, we overdo it in
Speaker 2: terms of the requirements. That's another thing that they are
Speaker 2: doing is they're looking underneath the hood of the car
Speaker 2: here to this examination, and they're undoing a lot of things,
Speaker 2: scaling things back to make sure that Ohio is essentially
Speaker 2: in line with other states, so that we're not at
Speaker 2: a competitive disadvantage for people who want to come here
Speaker 2: and start their career here and whatever that profession is.
Speaker 2: Because again, you know, some things need to be licensed.
Speaker 2: We're not going to argue about everything in one of those.
Speaker 2: But the key thing to always remember is each license
Speaker 2: is essentially a permission slip from the government that you
Speaker 2: have to obtain in order to earn a living. And
Speaker 2: so we use that phrase quite a bit when we're
Speaker 2: talking to legislators permission slip policies, because that is essentially
Speaker 2: what these things are. And so you know, if you
Speaker 2: have to go to say mother, may I to government,
Speaker 2: first of all, you shouldn't in many cases. But secondly,
Speaker 2: if you do, you better not be doing it having
Speaker 2: to do it in a way that is completely over
Speaker 2: the top and more burdensome than what you would have
Speaker 2: to do if you were in Kentucky or Indiana, or
Speaker 2: West Virginia or that state I dare say up North
Speaker 2: or Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Well, the point being, we need to become more competitive.
Speaker 1: And I understand and agree completely that you know, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't eliminate all licenses. There's critical information. Many people have
Speaker 1: to operate in their field safely and responsibly. It's for
Speaker 1: the good of their own health, the good of community safety,
Speaker 1: and the good of the people that they're providing assistance too.
Speaker 1: And I think, like you know, a cosmetology degree is
Speaker 1: going to require all kinds of knowledge and learning about
Speaker 1: cleanliness and hygiene and how to avoid the spread of bacteria,
Speaker 1: diseases or otherwise. But that once that information is known
Speaker 1: and learned, it shouldn't be something you have to reapply
Speaker 1: for every single year unless the state of the business
Speaker 1: or the nature of the business is being regulated, has
Speaker 1: dramatically changed or is subject to rather dramatic changes regularly,
Speaker 1: which would obligate maybe a more regular licensure requirement. But
Speaker 1: if it's not, And once you've learned it seems to me,
Speaker 1: once you've crossed the finish line, you'd be free to
Speaker 1: go ahead and back your your job.
Speaker 2: Well. Absolutely, and and and I'm gonna give you two
Speaker 2: examples of things. One is something that I think we're
Speaker 2: making some real improvements on this legislation. One this is
Speaker 2: the one you just mentioned. Cosmetology is one that unfortunately
Speaker 2: is a kind of like a little bit like crench
Speaker 2: warfare at the State House could get a change, believe
Speaker 2: it or not, it's a they were they were reviewed
Speaker 2: this time, and we couldn't get the changes in that
Speaker 2: we wanted to see there. But there's been bills the
Speaker 2: Senate's passed legislation reduced hours, for example, several cycles in
Speaker 2: a row. So this has been going back, gosh, I
Speaker 2: don't know, six to eight years. I've been working on
Speaker 2: this along with a lot of other folks. And I'll
Speaker 2: tell you this, you would be raised at the amount
Speaker 2: of lobbying that is done by private school Costology school
Speaker 2: to keep it, and they are they have to have
Speaker 2: one of the best grassroots efforts. You know, they get
Speaker 2: kids like free uh credit out credit and like took
Speaker 2: time to come down to testify with T shirts on everything.
Speaker 2: I'd tell you every single side and this is what happens.
Speaker 2: So this is one that we really need to zero
Speaker 2: in on because this is one of the ones I
Speaker 2: think is less unconscionable. Is we're way out of step
Speaker 2: because what a lot of other states are doing in
Speaker 2: terms of the hours, and we should be reducing these
Speaker 2: because these are good jobs, good jobs for a lot
Speaker 2: of folks who you know, it maybe takes a little
Speaker 2: bit of time to get the money back. So every
Speaker 2: minute that they're not actually earning money because they're having
Speaker 2: to do continuing more and more education and every hour,
Speaker 2: every dollar they have to spend on the actual programs
Speaker 2: is really a burden on them. That's something we need
Speaker 2: to work on. But one thing I'm really proud of
Speaker 2: that's in Houspital two, that is in Houstial two thirty
Speaker 2: eight doesn't seem like it's that huge of a thing.
Speaker 2: But real estate worker license. Ohio is one of the
Speaker 2: only states, and I think it's the only state in
Speaker 2: the Midwest that requires you to go to at least
Speaker 2: a two years to get two years of post secondary education.
Speaker 2: Now you can go. Instead of doing it through like
Speaker 2: a credentialing program or a variety of other providers of
Speaker 2: the education, you had to basically go to somebody that
Speaker 2: was effectively college. It was a mandate. We really say
Speaker 2: that did that, which meant that our programs to run
Speaker 2: people through are essentially way more expensive than many other states. Well,
Speaker 2: of course, now I'm not saying you shouldn't license it,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of information to your point. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't want to have people who don't know what
Speaker 2: they're doing when they're selling people houses, right, and maybe that,
Speaker 2: but we had a requirement that no other state had,
Speaker 2: and this bill is going to get rid of that,
Speaker 2: which I think is a is a really good thing,
Speaker 2: especially given the fact you know that we have all
Speaker 2: these housing issues that we you know, going on, and
Speaker 2: we want to make sure we've got knowledgeable people out there.
Speaker 2: But we need a good market for people. But it's
Speaker 2: ridiculous that we had to have this requirement that simply
Speaker 2: doesn't exist in other states.
Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful updates on that. I appreciate the work as
Speaker 1: that that you do at the Buckeye Institute on behalf
Speaker 1: of making Ohio more competitive. Let's pause, We'll bring Greg
Speaker 1: Lawson back and talk about Ohio energy policy. Is connection
Speaker 1: with Senate the two seventy five. We'll see if that's
Speaker 1: going to help us out or hinder us or with
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Speaker 1: every day looking out for Ohio and Ohio's best interest,
Speaker 1: which means you're in my best interest. Bring your Ohio
Speaker 1: back to a more competitive level with the rest of
Speaker 1: the United States. And one area is we seem to
Speaker 1: be struggling with going back to the criminal problems we
Speaker 1: faced in Columbus with energy related issues. I know you
Speaker 1: actually testified as you in your capacity as a research fellow,
Speaker 1: Greg Lawson with the Buckeye Institute before a committee in
Speaker 1: Columbus about Senate Build two seventy five, which addresses at
Speaker 1: least some of our energy issues here in Ohio. What
Speaker 1: will that bill do? And maybe we can even touch
Speaker 1: a little bit upon what it doesn't quite do, because
Speaker 1: I know you pointed it out. It helps a lot,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't go as far as we need to go.
Speaker 2: That's right, And no single piece of legislation is probably
Speaker 2: going to be able to do everything in one thing
Speaker 2: because it's it's really a complicated issue with energy. We've
Speaker 2: got everything from how much energy do you produce to
Speaker 2: how do you transmit the actual electricity to locations? And
Speaker 2: you know, we're growing a lot of high end users
Speaker 2: that have frankly a voracious appetype for proclicity, especially here
Speaker 2: in central Ohio. We've got in dellth Coming, we've got
Speaker 2: data centers, which one data center is basically like a village.
Speaker 2: You know, its thousands of houses or you know the
Speaker 2: amount of power consumption that uses. So we need to
Speaker 2: really produce more like this, and we need to do
Speaker 2: it fast. A lot of times you build bigger plants
Speaker 2: that can take a long time. There's lots of permitting issues,
Speaker 2: there's a whole host of things. Plus there's a whole
Speaker 2: complicated process for how you basically connect new plants and
Speaker 2: new generation capacity to the overarching of elect grid because
Speaker 2: Ohio doesn't have its own grid right part of a
Speaker 2: thirteen state grid, so we actually are interconnected with other states.
Speaker 2: So it's a very complicated and very regulatory intensive sort
Speaker 2: of process. At the bottom line is we need more
Speaker 2: generation because that is what the technology of the twenty
Speaker 2: first century. If we want data centers, if we want
Speaker 2: to deal with things from AI and stuff like that
Speaker 2: and be at the cutting edge, that is what we
Speaker 2: absolutely have to do. We have to do it in
Speaker 2: a way that doesn't cause problems for residents because you know,
Speaker 2: you start pulling a lot of electric off the grid.
Speaker 2: For big guys, well, the obvious concern would be what
Speaker 2: does that leave back front of people? Does that mean
Speaker 2: that they don't have like trist get brown out's like California.
Speaker 1: Yes, let them eat cake, pay an arm and a leg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems to me the point of all this, I mean,
Speaker 1: lookt at that. What I'm a huge fan of nuclear
Speaker 1: power plants, and the new modular nuclear plants can easily
Speaker 1: be built one size fit so you can put them
Speaker 1: pretty much anywhere. Small footprint generate gobs of electricity. It
Speaker 1: addresses the nonsensical environmental arguments that are made every single
Speaker 1: day and impact every single policy, but they work, and
Speaker 1: lo and behold, Meta comes along and says we need
Speaker 1: massive power plants. Hey, how about giving us a nuclear plant.
Speaker 1: It's almost green lit from the very beginning. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we the lowly masses are in the let them eat
Speaker 1: cake department. That really irks me, and I think it
Speaker 1: irks a lot of people, regardless of political perspective on
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: Greg, Oh, it absolutely does. And by the way, nuclear
Speaker 2: and you mentioned it, the small modular ones. I think
Speaker 2: there's no question that those are probably the future. One
Speaker 2: great thing Ohio has today is natural gas copious amounts.
Speaker 2: And you know nuclear is zero greenhouse gas mission. So
Speaker 2: if that's something that you're really concerned about, there really
Speaker 2: hits the mark on that the natural gas is likely
Speaker 2: not then call we've got We've got a heck of
Speaker 2: a lot of it. So we should be leveraging what
Speaker 2: we have as opportunities here in Ohio. And what two
Speaker 2: seventy five does is it helps to be able to
Speaker 2: create generation quickly. It creates situation where we're using there's
Speaker 2: a lot of undeveloped brown fields, former industrial sites, things
Speaker 2: like that. People are trying to get them developed all
Speaker 2: the time, but they're hard to do because it's usually
Speaker 2: for pretty expensive to do it. So how do you
Speaker 2: get private folks to come in so that's not all
Speaker 2: government money coming into the private people putting private money
Speaker 2: and to fix these areas up. Well, what this bill does,
Speaker 2: and it's actually Senator Matt Dolan up in the Cleveland area.
Speaker 2: He's obviously won a couple of times for the US Senate,
Speaker 2: but this is a good bill that Senator Dolan has
Speaker 2: a really really good bill because it allows you to
Speaker 2: use these places that aren't already being used. You can
Speaker 2: put solar panels up, but we all know that solar
Speaker 2: panels don't always work when the sun don't shine, so
Speaker 2: you have to have something else to make sure the
Speaker 2: electricity continues to be generated on a cloudy day like
Speaker 2: down in since am frankly up here in my neck
Speaker 2: the wood in the Columbus area too. So it allows
Speaker 2: for microcurbbines and smaller, not huge power plants with microturbbine
Speaker 2: natural gas to use what we already have here in
Speaker 2: Ohio to be able to make sure that there's no
Speaker 2: lag time when the sun doesn't shine, and it allows
Speaker 2: you to use these brown fields. It's smaller generation a
Speaker 2: per unit, but when it allows a person wants to
Speaker 2: buy the electricity to do is to what they call
Speaker 2: virtually net meter and that's a really kind of complicated word,
Speaker 2: but it essentially means you can package together electricity being
Speaker 2: generated at multiple different location physical locations, and then buy
Speaker 2: the electricity that way. And so that's what this would
Speaker 2: allow you to do. And the great thing about this
Speaker 2: is it can be done a lot quicker than really
Speaker 2: big plants. It can be done on properties that aren't
Speaker 2: otherwise being utilized for any kind of economic purposes, and
Speaker 2: it can be done again quickly. And I can't stress
Speaker 2: enough that you know, not quickly doesn't mean tomorrow, but
Speaker 2: you can probably put one of these things up in
Speaker 2: a year or so, or maybe a year two versus
Speaker 2: four to five years at least, and maybe even a
Speaker 2: little bit longer for some of the bigger kind of
Speaker 2: power plants. So this is something that if you've got
Speaker 2: this ball rolling soon, you can start to see these
Speaker 2: pop up over the course over the state. And it's
Speaker 2: not going to solve it because these aren't as big
Speaker 2: a plants, so you're going to need more of them.
Speaker 2: They're not going to solve all the energy issues and
Speaker 2: the generation issues. But if we need to get more
Speaker 2: and we need to get more fast. This is what
Speaker 2: I said yesterday, and the Senate is one piece of
Speaker 2: the larger puzzle, and so we think it's a great idea. Again,
Speaker 2: it's not subsidies you mentioned before, so the problems will
Speaker 2: have had with energy policy over the last few years.
Speaker 2: To put it moldly, this is not a subsidy. We've
Speaker 2: testified against subsidies for as long as I've been at
Speaker 2: the Buckeye I've been testifying against special carve outs and
Speaker 2: subsidies for specific utilities. Obviously thinks from Houspill six, the
Speaker 2: fraught and the very poor bill that was done with
Speaker 2: all the illegal stuff, but there was a lot of
Speaker 2: other stuff besides House Bill six over the years, and
Speaker 2: we've always been against that. What we like about this
Speaker 2: is it's not a subsidy. It's not the government. It's
Speaker 2: a way to make money.
Speaker 1: Let them build the natural gas micro turbines on land
Speaker 1: that otherwise isn't being used. If they have excess power,
Speaker 1: they can sell it out of profit to places elsewhere
Speaker 1: who refuse to get generated through an electricity and we
Speaker 1: and they will come.
Speaker 2: You build it.
Speaker 1: We have excess power to Ohio. It's inexpensive. Bring your
Speaker 1: business here. It'll run day and night.
Speaker 2: Greg.
Speaker 1: Tell you what Greg laws, and thanks again for all
Speaker 1: that you do on behalf of Ohioans Buckeyeinstitute dot org.
Speaker 1: Check it out listeners. You'll enjoy what you find there.
Speaker 1: Keep up the great work, Greg, and we'll look forward
Speaker 1: to having me back on the show really really soon.
Speaker 2: It sakes so much appreciate it. Thank you.
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