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<v Speaker 1>Now Biden's lust for war. Top of the hour, State

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<v Speaker 1>Reverenden Representative Jennifer gross On a new speaker, among other issues,

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<v Speaker 1>and the meantime, welcome back from the Buckeye Institute, which

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<v Speaker 1>you can find online at Buckeyeinstitute dot org. Greg lost

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<v Speaker 1>and good you have it back on, Greg.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, It's always great to be on with You really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate what the Buckeye Institute does. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things, and you and I have had conversations

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<v Speaker 1>in the past about licensure requirements and the number of

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<v Speaker 1>people that need a license to do their jobs is

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<v Speaker 1>just it's batcrap insane. If I can boil it down

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<v Speaker 1>to that simple term, you know, like for example, I

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<v Speaker 1>was joking this morning. You know, my daughter and her

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<v Speaker 1>friends used to braid each other's hair. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>any monetary exchange was made, then they would be in

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<v Speaker 1>violation of law because they don't have a license, a

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<v Speaker 1>cosmetology license or something. Hair braiding, fingernails, the simple things

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<v Speaker 1>that require a license obviously are a huge impediment that

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<v Speaker 1>people joining the workforce. So I see that the Buckeye

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<v Speaker 1>Institute is all over this house built two thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's that about, and what can we do to

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<v Speaker 1>open more doors to occupational licensing reform here in Ohio?

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<v Speaker 2>Ken or Great, Sure, it's it's been an issue that

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<v Speaker 2>we've been telling for a long time, licensing issues, and

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<v Speaker 2>so House Built through thirty eight is actually the result

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<v Speaker 2>of previous legislation that passed a couple of legislative cycles

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<v Speaker 2>back that created an entire process for reviewing occupational licenses

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<v Speaker 2>that made the legislature have to have every single license

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<v Speaker 2>and every single licensing board come before a committee in

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<v Speaker 2>both the House and the Senate and essentially justify what

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing, explain licensed by license.

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<v Speaker 1>Bass I love that, Yeah, explain yourself, justify your existence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and we're actually oneed to kind of put that together.

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<v Speaker 2>We worked with some folks who are really good at this,

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<v Speaker 2>and we put together the entire pack. It's actually the

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<v Speaker 2>bill that created this whole process is something that we

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<v Speaker 2>did and some wonderful legislators took it up, including actually

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<v Speaker 2>the next probably the next Senate President was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the key sponsors of this legislation several cycles back. So

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<v Speaker 2>that that I think is a good sign. So we

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<v Speaker 2>were really happy with it. So what they have to

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<v Speaker 2>do is they have to look at essentially every two years,

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<v Speaker 2>they had to look at one third of all licenses

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<v Speaker 2>and renew them, or if they didn't actively proactively renew them,

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<v Speaker 2>they would sunset go away and essentially deregulate them. So

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<v Speaker 2>what that's done is this is the last of the

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<v Speaker 2>initial review process. So this is the last basically grouping

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<v Speaker 2>of all the licenses in the state. So over the

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<v Speaker 2>last six years, the General Assembly has looked at every

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<v Speaker 2>single license and every single licensing board in the state

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<v Speaker 2>and has had to and again have them explain themselves

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<v Speaker 2>and justify themselves. And so the legislation two thirty eight

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<v Speaker 2>is basically this particular General Assembly's version of the review

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the ones that hadn't yet already previously been examined.

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<v Speaker 2>So the House did some really good work. The sponsored

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<v Speaker 2>the bill, did a great job. Chairman the Committee did

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<v Speaker 2>a great job. The spot the chair of the committee

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<v Speaker 2>in the Senate is an incredible legislator at Christina Rodener.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't say enough nice things about her. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>really a great opportunity to pair of things back. And

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening is you're getting rid of some licenses. But

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes the other thing that happens is that you'll find

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<v Speaker 2>that Ohio will stick out like a sore thumb when

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<v Speaker 2>you compare it to other states. In other words, we

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<v Speaker 2>have much higher burdens or license fees, or you have

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<v Speaker 2>to renew every year. It's that every two or three years.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many different, you know, ways that this breaks down,

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<v Speaker 2>but Ohio tends to sometimes even in the things that

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<v Speaker 2>are going to retain their license, we overdo it in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the requirements. That's another thing that they are

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<v Speaker 2>doing is they're looking underneath the hood of the car

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<v Speaker 2>here to this examination, and they're undoing a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 2>scaling things back to make sure that Ohio is essentially

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<v Speaker 2>in line with other states, so that we're not at

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<v Speaker 2>a competitive disadvantage for people who want to come here

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<v Speaker 2>and start their career here and whatever that profession is.

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<v Speaker 2>Because again, you know, some things need to be licensed.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to argue about everything in one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>But the key thing to always remember is each license

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<v Speaker 2>is essentially a permission slip from the government that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to obtain in order to earn a living. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we use that phrase quite a bit when we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking to legislators permission slip policies, because that is essentially

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<v Speaker 2>what these things are. And so you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have to go to say mother, may I to government,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, you shouldn't in many cases. But secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>if you do, you better not be doing it having

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<v Speaker 2>to do it in a way that is completely over

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<v Speaker 2>the top and more burdensome than what you would have

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<v Speaker 2>to do if you were in Kentucky or Indiana, or

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<v Speaker 2>West Virginia or that state I dare say up North

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<v Speaker 2>or Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the point being, we need to become more competitive.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand and agree completely that you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't eliminate all licenses. There's critical information. Many people have

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<v Speaker 1>to operate in their field safely and responsibly. It's for

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<v Speaker 1>the good of their own health, the good of community safety,

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<v Speaker 1>and the good of the people that they're providing assistance too.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, like you know, a cosmetology degree is

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<v Speaker 1>going to require all kinds of knowledge and learning about

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<v Speaker 1>cleanliness and hygiene and how to avoid the spread of bacteria,

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<v Speaker 1>diseases or otherwise. But that once that information is known

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<v Speaker 1>and learned, it shouldn't be something you have to reapply

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<v Speaker 1>for every single year unless the state of the business

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<v Speaker 1>or the nature of the business is being regulated, has

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<v Speaker 1>dramatically changed or is subject to rather dramatic changes regularly,

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<v Speaker 1>which would obligate maybe a more regular licensure requirement. But

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not, And once you've learned it seems to me,

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<v Speaker 1>once you've crossed the finish line, you'd be free to

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and back your your job.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Absolutely, and and and I'm gonna give you two

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<v Speaker 2>examples of things. One is something that I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>making some real improvements on this legislation. One this is

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<v Speaker 2>the one you just mentioned. Cosmetology is one that unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>is a kind of like a little bit like crench

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<v Speaker 2>warfare at the State House could get a change, believe

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<v Speaker 2>it or not, it's a they were they were reviewed

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<v Speaker 2>this time, and we couldn't get the changes in that

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<v Speaker 2>we wanted to see there. But there's been bills the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate's passed legislation reduced hours, for example, several cycles in

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<v Speaker 2>a row. So this has been going back, gosh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, six to eight years. I've been working on

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<v Speaker 2>this along with a lot of other folks. And I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you this, you would be raised at the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of lobbying that is done by private school Costology school

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it, and they are they have to have

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best grassroots efforts. You know, they get

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<v Speaker 2>kids like free uh credit out credit and like took

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<v Speaker 2>time to come down to testify with T shirts on everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd tell you every single side and this is what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is one that we really need to zero

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<v Speaker 2>in on because this is one of the ones I

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<v Speaker 2>think is less unconscionable. Is we're way out of step

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<v Speaker 2>because what a lot of other states are doing in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the hours, and we should be reducing these

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<v Speaker 2>because these are good jobs, good jobs for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of folks who you know, it maybe takes a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of time to get the money back. So every

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<v Speaker 2>minute that they're not actually earning money because they're having

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<v Speaker 2>to do continuing more and more education and every hour,

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<v Speaker 2>every dollar they have to spend on the actual programs

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<v Speaker 2>is really a burden on them. That's something we need

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<v Speaker 2>to work on. But one thing I'm really proud of

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<v Speaker 2>that's in Houspital two, that is in Houstial two thirty

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<v Speaker 2>eight doesn't seem like it's that huge of a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But real estate worker license. Ohio is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>only states, and I think it's the only state in

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<v Speaker 2>the Midwest that requires you to go to at least

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<v Speaker 2>a two years to get two years of post secondary education.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you can go. Instead of doing it through like

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<v Speaker 2>a credentialing program or a variety of other providers of

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<v Speaker 2>the education, you had to basically go to somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>was effectively college. It was a mandate. We really say

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<v Speaker 2>that did that, which meant that our programs to run

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<v Speaker 2>people through are essentially way more expensive than many other states. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, now I'm not saying you shouldn't license it,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a lot of information to your point. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to have people who don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing when they're selling people houses, right, and maybe that,

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<v Speaker 2>but we had a requirement that no other state had,

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<v Speaker 2>and this bill is going to get rid of that,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is a is a really good thing,

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<v Speaker 2>especially given the fact you know that we have all

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<v Speaker 2>these housing issues that we you know, going on, and

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<v Speaker 2>we want to make sure we've got knowledgeable people out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But we need a good market for people. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous that we had to have this requirement that simply

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist in other states.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful, wonderful updates on that. I appreciate the work as

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<v Speaker 1>that that you do at the Buckeye Institute on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of making Ohio more competitive. Let's pause, We'll bring Greg

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<v Speaker 1>Lawson back and talk about Ohio energy policy. Is connection

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<v Speaker 1>with Senate the two seventy five. We'll see if that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to help us out or hinder us or with

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<v Speaker 1>Greg lass to the Buck Eye Institute. Go to Buckeye

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<v Speaker 1>Institute dot org and check out what they do each

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<v Speaker 1>and every day, and click that donate button while you're

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<v Speaker 1>over there. So I want to mention Chimneycare Fireplace in

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<v Speaker 1>Stove And here's something that's really important, your safety. And

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<v Speaker 1>no one knows more about safety when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>Chimney's fireplaces and things related than the Chimneycare Fireplace and

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<v Speaker 1>stof They are true experts. So what you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is take care of that safety. I know we

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<v Speaker 1>got some winter time weather coming our way today. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you have your fireplace inspected? Do you know if your

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<v Speaker 1>chimney needs to be swept? When's the last time you

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<v Speaker 1>had it even looked at it's important that you do that,

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<v Speaker 1>most notably wood burners because of the kreisode build up

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<v Speaker 1>that can catch you have your chimney catch on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, I apologize. Your lining could get cracked, and

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<v Speaker 1>I learned a long time ago from Gary Salvy it's

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<v Speaker 1>usually the second chimney fire that's the real problem. Once

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<v Speaker 1>that lining gets cracked, you've got a huge issue with

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<v Speaker 1>your hands. So it starts with a video camera inspection.

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<v Speaker 1>They may have water damage going on that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know about. You'll find the problem. They have certified

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<v Speaker 1>chimney sweeps to sweep it out. They can even do

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<v Speaker 1>all the tuck pointing and rebuilding and relining that you need.

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<v Speaker 1>They can install that free standing woodstove that you've been

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<v Speaker 1>looking at. Maybe get a self feeding wood waste pellet stove.

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<v Speaker 1>They got free standers on that. And they also have

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<v Speaker 1>fireplace inserts. I got the fireplace insert, not the wood

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<v Speaker 1>pellet one, but a standard gas fireplace insert when my

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<v Speaker 1>old one was deemed unsafe when I had it inspected

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<v Speaker 1>by the Chimneycare Fireplace and Stove. It was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things I could have burned my house down. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the great thing. About an inspection. You're gonna have some

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, And no single piece of legislation is probably

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<v Speaker 2>You know, its thousands of houses or you know the

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<v Speaker 2>really produce more like this, and we need to do

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<v Speaker 2>For big guys, well, the obvious concern would be what

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, let them eat cake, pay an arm and a leg. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to me the point of all this, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>lookt at that. What I'm a huge fan of nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much anywhere. Small footprint generate gobs of electricity. It

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<v Speaker 1>addresses the nonsensical environmental arguments that are made every single

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<v Speaker 1>day and impact every single policy, but they work, and

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<v Speaker 1>massive power plants. Hey, how about giving us a nuclear plant.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost green lit from the very beginning. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we the lowly masses are in the let them eat

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<v Speaker 2>Greg, Oh, it absolutely does. And by the way, nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five does is it helps to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>create generation quickly. It creates situation where we're using there's

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<v Speaker 2>like that. People are trying to get them developed all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, but they're hard to do because it's usually

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<v Speaker 2>get private folks to come in so that's not all

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<v Speaker 2>and to fix these areas up. Well, what this bill does,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's actually Senator Matt Dolan up in the Cleveland area.

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<v Speaker 2>electricity continues to be generated on a cloudy day like

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<v Speaker 2>you to use these brown fields. It's smaller generation a

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<v Speaker 2>virtually net meter and that's a really kind of complicated word,

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<v Speaker 2>but it essentially means you can package together electricity being

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<v Speaker 2>generated at multiple different location physical locations, and then buy

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<v Speaker 2>the electricity that way. And so that's what this would

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<v Speaker 2>allow you to do. And the great thing about this

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<v Speaker 2>big plants. It can be done on properties that aren't

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise being utilized for any kind of economic purposes, and

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<v Speaker 2>it can be done again quickly. And I can't stress

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<v Speaker 2>enough that you know, not quickly doesn't mean tomorrow, but

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<v Speaker 2>four to five years at least, and maybe even a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit longer for some of the bigger kind of

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<v Speaker 2>not going to solve it because these aren't as big

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<v Speaker 2>a plants, so you're going to need more of them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not going to solve all the energy issues and

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<v Speaker 2>the generation issues. But if we need to get more

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<v Speaker 2>and we need to get more fast. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>the larger puzzle, and so we think it's a great idea. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not subsidies you mentioned before, so the problems will

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<v Speaker 2>To put it moldly, this is not a subsidy. We've

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<v Speaker 2>the Buckeye I've been testifying against special carve outs and

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<v Speaker 2>subsidies for specific utilities. Obviously thinks from Houspill six, the

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<v Speaker 2>fraught and the very poor bill that was done with

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<v Speaker 2>all the illegal stuff, but there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff besides House Bill six over the years, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've always been against that. What we like about this

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<v Speaker 2>is it's not a subsidy. It's not the government. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a way to make money.

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<v Speaker 1>Let them build the natural gas micro turbines on land

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<v Speaker 1>that otherwise isn't being used. If they have excess power,

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<v Speaker 2>You build it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have excess power to Ohio. It's inexpensive. Bring your

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<v Speaker 2>Greg.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you what Greg laws, and thanks again for all

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<v Speaker 1>Keep up the great work, Greg, and we'll look forward

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