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Speaker 1: just the Daredevil season Daredevil Born Against Season two spoilers
Speaker 1: finale review. That's mouthful right there, but it is. You know,
Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about with this finale.
Speaker 1: Did it live up to the hype? Did the season
Speaker 1: as a whole live up to the hype? You know,
Speaker 1: we've got a good question to kind of aligned with that. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll have the table kind of rankings and things like
Speaker 1: that put back question, but it's it's you know, it
Speaker 1: brought some very interesting ideas and brought the storyline to
Speaker 1: a conclusion and hinted towards the future. So but uh, well,
Speaker 1: what about you, David what what what Ah's been your week?
Speaker 1: You You've started your new.
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Speaker 2: just a different lane. So it's it's been an adventure
Speaker 2: this first week and I'm looking forward to more.
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Speaker 1: all right, So we've got Daredevil Born Again Season two,
Speaker 1: Episode eight, Straight to Hell. So this is where we're
Speaker 1: ending this season there, we know there. We have official confirmation.
Speaker 1: They are officially halfway through filming production of season three.
Speaker 1: What do you think, David, Did this episode live up
Speaker 1: to the height? Did this series redeem itself from the
Speaker 1: Frankenstein series that season one was?
Speaker 2: This has definitely surpassed season one, And I mean I
Speaker 2: personally thoroughly enjoyed it, especially and I can't wait to
Speaker 2: deep dive on the courtroom scene later. But I thoroughly
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. You know, I could say that there is
Speaker 2: a fair argument to make this episode the best of
Speaker 2: this season.
Speaker 1: At the best episode of the.
Speaker 2: Season, all right, that there is a fair argument to
Speaker 2: be made Gloves Off episode four, It is very much
Speaker 2: up there. That's the Kingpin boxing episode with you know, Bullseye.
Speaker 2: But it's an argument can be made.
Speaker 1: Hmm, best episode, best episode. You know. It's it's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, the as I said last week, the penultimate
Speaker 1: episodes usually have a history with you know, Disney Plus's
Speaker 1: of being kind of the height. While the season finale
Speaker 1: is kind of like I wouldn't say it letdown. It
Speaker 1: just kind of doesn't, you know, the peak's already reached,
Speaker 1: so it's just kind of like trying to hold on
Speaker 1: and necessarily doesn't always pan out the way. Did it
Speaker 1: have action? Yes, did it give revelations that you and
Speaker 1: I have predicted a couple of you know, we got
Speaker 1: a couple of predictions in there that ended up coming true. Yes,
Speaker 1: did it live up to the hype? You know, I'll
Speaker 1: have to say I definitely didn't like this at all.
Speaker 1: I definitely was upset with it. I hated it. And
Speaker 1: the reason I hated it, and the reason I didn't
Speaker 1: like it was simply because you know, a few factors,
Speaker 1: but the biggest one is I have to wait a
Speaker 1: year to continue this at that.
Speaker 2: Well, the build up, the build up, I love it.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, Brent. That was for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, this definitely left me going, damn it, I really
Speaker 2: I gotta wait. And you know, someone called me and
Speaker 2: even said, goes, so how long until I get seen suits? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't care about anything else. I just need to
Speaker 2: know when's the next season coming out. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: they're still filming, and they're like, god, damn it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, in all in all, it's the jokes society.
Speaker 1: I put it put in our group chat that I
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, I had I had thought some hot takes.
Speaker 1: I do have some things that I am disappointed with it,
Speaker 1: and it's not because I expectations, admit, it's more of
Speaker 1: just like you know, different directions they could have gone in.
Speaker 1: But for the most for the most part, this was
Speaker 1: a very good season finale. The season as a whole
Speaker 1: definitely brings out some you know again, it is more
Speaker 1: of a through line, not as just not even close
Speaker 1: to being as disjointed as season one. A lot of
Speaker 1: great stuff. I don't want to go anymore non spoilers.
Speaker 1: These are our thoughts at this point. So let's dive
Speaker 1: deep into these spoilers. So if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: we're about to spoil the heck out of it at
Speaker 1: that point. We're going deep down to the depths of
Speaker 1: all the spoilers at that point. So three two one,
Speaker 1: here we go. So the episode opens with a brief
Speaker 1: moment of peace, you know, Matt and Karen laughing together
Speaker 1: sharing drinks, almost like a glimpse of the light before
Speaker 1: they had. But the illusion quickly breaks when Karen wakes
Speaker 1: up back in court, still on trial, facing the full
Speaker 1: weight of this system. After as the hearing resume, she
Speaker 1: Kirsten is forced to buy time while Matt is delayed
Speaker 1: after being shot during the ambush outside the courthouse. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Jessica Jones helps Matt's leg wound. You know, this was
Speaker 1: I have to say, this was interesting. Just this is
Speaker 1: where I think this show kind of gets a little
Speaker 1: comical at points. You know, It's one thing to kind
Speaker 1: of see this and kind of go through this as
Speaker 1: a comic, but you realize at these moments saying, oh,
Speaker 1: he's just going to show up and kind of walk
Speaker 1: in with a gunshot wound and do all bad thing.
Speaker 1: All right, even I say like, okay, yeah, reality wise,
Speaker 1: this doesn't really line up being kind of kind of laughable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I liked the opening of it. Karen's
Speaker 2: dream of their life. You know, the restaurant that they
Speaker 2: go to is the same one that they had their
Speaker 2: dating and the Netflix show, same one they meet up
Speaker 2: on the stoop of It and season an, episode five,
Speaker 2: I believe, and so like they keep referencing this restaurant
Speaker 2: and that's a connection for them. So she's having this
Speaker 2: dream and then we just cut straight to Jessica Jones
Speaker 2: wrapping up Matt's leg after having been shot through and through,
Speaker 2: and this man is just like, yep, I got to
Speaker 2: get patched up. I got to make my triumphant laid
Speaker 2: Entrince into court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and their conversation makes it clear that Jessica had
Speaker 1: planned to leave the city after dealing with Charles, but
Speaker 1: fists action have pushed things too far. She questions whether
Speaker 1: Matt can actually stop them, and Matt admits that he
Speaker 1: can't do it alone. So, yes, this is the kind
Speaker 1: of growth for Jessica in the sense of that wanting
Speaker 1: to stay behind. And you know, we all knew it that,
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't expect her to really fully leave,
Speaker 1: But it's one of those things where it's Jessica. Really.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever bought for a second that
Speaker 1: she was. It just that didn't seem like her. I
Speaker 1: get to, oh, I've got to protect my child, you
Speaker 1: got to protect my child. I just never bought for her.
Speaker 1: I really didn't buy that she was ever going to leave. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, even without you know, having seen the trailers, just
Speaker 2: seeing that there were still scenes we hadn't seen her
Speaker 2: in like she she never really gave that strong feeling
Speaker 2: of yeah, she's about to go back to her old life.
Speaker 2: It really felt like she's in this now.
Speaker 1: Back in court, a fish side attempt to destroy Karen's
Speaker 1: credibility through Heather Glenn, who takes the stand and presents
Speaker 1: her psychological evaluation. Heather describes Karen as a co as
Speaker 1: combative and unstable, suggesting that she shows signs of anti
Speaker 1: social behavior, and framing her as somewhat drawn to the
Speaker 1: chaos rather than just she's out of the line. But
Speaker 1: she's not wrong. I think as the time has gone on,
Speaker 1: especially your time with Frank, your time with Matt, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say, I'd say and partially, okay, she is kind
Speaker 1: of drawn to the chaos, but I would think at
Speaker 1: that point saying, no, she's drawing to justice, but the
Speaker 1: way she gets justice has become chaotic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they refer to her as a sociopath, and you know,
Speaker 2: start questioning her, and yeah, you know what, she's closer
Speaker 2: to the dark side. She's now feels like she's closer
Speaker 2: to Frank than she is being you know, virtuous like Matt.
Speaker 2: And but she she has her reasons, like she's going
Speaker 2: after justice, she's going after these feelings of equality and
Speaker 2: you know, helping the little man, fighting for those who can't.
Speaker 2: She just has an odd way of doing it.
Speaker 1: And I do hear that the dark side is the
Speaker 1: pathway to menabilities some considered to be unnatural.
Speaker 2: So that means this came out on Tuesday, and we
Speaker 2: all know what Monday was.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So so Matt doesn't arrive mid testimony, you know,
Speaker 1: got to make that grand entrance, injured but determined, immediately
Speaker 1: challenging Heather's conclusions. What begins as the standard cross his
Speaker 1: amization quickly becomes deeply personal when Kirsten exposes that Heather
Speaker 1: physically struck Karen during the during the interview the night before.
Speaker 1: I just love it that basically calling it out. That's
Speaker 1: straight up yeah.
Speaker 2: And Matt's face like, oh shit, like really.
Speaker 1: Can I get video of that? And so MC, clearly
Speaker 1: caught off guard with it, pushes further. He questioned whether
Speaker 1: Karen is truly hiding behind Daredevil's match, or whether Heather
Speaker 1: herself is hiding behind her position inside that this administration,
Speaker 1: or is she hiding behind a mask as it were,
Speaker 1: the court in tension just shifts. I mean you could
Speaker 1: feel it was palpable at that moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I like the fact that Matt is constantly
Speaker 2: going after the corruption aspect of this, like he he's
Speaker 2: got no qualms with saying, yeah, this this is a
Speaker 2: kangaroo court, like we all know this, this isn't right.
Speaker 2: We all know who's really in control, and it you know,
Speaker 2: the whole court is kind of rough, like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: all know that Fisk is behind this, but we can't
Speaker 2: say shit.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is too I think that's taking the
Speaker 1: time to learn that. You know, he's tried to play
Speaker 1: by the rules. He's tried to and people I say,
Speaker 1: probably was I say in his court in the way
Speaker 1: of how he does in his court's a court as
Speaker 1: a lawyer, he's always tried to do that. But he
Speaker 1: sees and we saw it last season when you know
Speaker 1: he pivoted and ib not necessarily totally on the side
Speaker 1: of him, revealing Hector's role true his identity as being
Speaker 1: white Tiger, but you see him going very hard on
Speaker 1: offense on this one. He is he is not backing down.
Speaker 1: He's continued to push the envelope, continue to kind of
Speaker 1: tone the line between you know, staying within the bounds
Speaker 1: of the court. But he knows that that's the only
Speaker 1: way he's going to rattle, you know, fift team. He
Speaker 1: has to do what they don't expect him. Did they
Speaker 1: expect him to play by the rules they expect him
Speaker 1: so that they can knock him down and he won't
Speaker 1: go as far. And so that's what I like seeing,
Speaker 1: you know that is Matt does do that in the comics.
Speaker 1: But again he has a history of staying within the
Speaker 1: rules and using Daredable. It's almost like Daredevil's his his
Speaker 1: way to exercise being outside the law. Obviously being a vigilante,
Speaker 1: but he's always trying to find ways to stay with
Speaker 1: the law. But as the yearth go on, he gets
Speaker 1: very creative, gets a little like I wouldn't call it shade,
Speaker 1: but you know, bending the rules just slightly. He does
Speaker 1: break them. So but we know his real target is
Speaker 1: Wilson Fisz the Kingdom calling the Mayor to the stand,
Speaker 1: and that's when they had that little sidebar with a
Speaker 1: judge and the DA's like, yeah, you can go ahead
Speaker 1: and do it. And it is ain't gonna work out
Speaker 1: for you already know, you know that he's gonna he
Speaker 1: knows something. He's gonna come after you. So Mayor comes
Speaker 1: to the stand and trying to you know, into a
Speaker 1: direct attack on Fifth Empire. So Fist enters with complete confidence,
Speaker 1: presenting himself, you know, White suit and all as the
Speaker 1: Safer Streets Initiative to protect New York. And not only that,
Speaker 1: he brings you know, he brings his you know, his posse.
Speaker 2: He's got his goon squad with him, like they rolling
Speaker 2: in here.
Speaker 1: Deep.
Speaker 2: He walks in, and then the Anti Vigilanci Task Force
Speaker 2: files in and spreads the entire back room by the doorlight.
Speaker 1: They they they rolling. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, but my favorite part of this is when Wilson
Speaker 2: Fist starts stalking and he says, when I was a boy.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, So he's framing Karen with
Speaker 1: and Daredevil as criminals responsible for the city suffering. Bring
Speaker 1: up Boggy Nelson, Vanessa and every victim tied to the
Speaker 1: cast surrounding and vigilanteism. And during this time, we start
Speaker 1: seeing across the street who we think is Bullseye doing
Speaker 1: the looking like you again a sniper rifle, But ain't
Speaker 1: Bullseye because then we start seeing security cameras of some
Speaker 1: of the avt IF getting taken out and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're trying to frame this in a different way, but
Speaker 1: mister Dex is not having anything of this.
Speaker 2: He takes everyone out and this was a great showing
Speaker 2: of you know, his skills bouncing the knives off. You know,
Speaker 2: we we seen it two other times him bouncing the eyes,
Speaker 2: but this one was like a real stunning display of it,
Speaker 2: including bouncing the butt of the knife off to knock
Speaker 2: people into, make them hit walls and columns.
Speaker 1: He was on it.
Speaker 2: And then he takes out the the fake bulls Eye
Speaker 2: and just goes poser.
Speaker 1: Well especially he does a little flipping and everything has
Speaker 1: knives going out like he's just making a human pincushion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that shot of him throwing the knife and the
Speaker 2: camera rotating with the knife into the fake bulls Eye's hands, like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is marvelous. So yeah, Back in the court room,
Speaker 2: Matt dismantles the narrative piece by piece that he shifts.
Speaker 2: The shifts into the Northern Star, this ship that had
Speaker 2: the illegal weapons at Fifth Freeport Operation was supposedly smuggling
Speaker 2: for the CIA, and Fifth tries to distance himself, but
Speaker 2: Matt introduces recorded testimony from Christophe, the ship's first mate.
Speaker 2: In the video, he confirms that the Northern Star was
Speaker 2: carrying military grade legal weapons and reveals that the crew
Speaker 2: had direct orders to sink the vessel if they ever
Speaker 2: were compromised. More importantly, he identifies Fisk as the man
Speaker 2: behind the operation. Even as the prosecution rushes to discredit
Speaker 2: the testimony, the balance in the courtroom has already shifted.
Speaker 2: They are, you know, for the first time on record,
Speaker 2: you know, with someone of credibility has targeted and made
Speaker 2: people doubt and question as mayor fis operating above board. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and even the judge at this point is you know,
Speaker 2: he's trying to the data is trying to strike everything down.
Speaker 2: The judge like, you know what, I kind of want
Speaker 2: to hear this now, No that this works, and you know,
Speaker 2: this control of the court room and everything else, everything
Speaker 2: is starting to unravel at this point.
Speaker 1: So Matt keeps on pushing, keeps on staying on offense.
Speaker 1: Using his own statements, he establishes that Daredevil was present
Speaker 1: on the Northern Star that night, and there is still
Speaker 1: one witness who's left to testify. Now. Prior to this,
Speaker 1: prior to this, they got called into the judges chambers
Speaker 1: to kind of deal with, you know, some things that
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily going right there. But during that time, Fits
Speaker 1: whispered very very at a low tone so that mac
Speaker 1: could hear it. He says, if you keep going this way,
Speaker 1: I will basically saying I will expose you. And so Matt,
Speaker 1: here's that. You know, you wonder at that point is
Speaker 1: he going to say he doesn't. He keeps on going
Speaker 1: harder and harder, and Chris realizes what he's about to do,
Speaker 1: and he says, you're a fool, very quietly, and Fis
Speaker 1: knows what he's about to do. And then Matt turned
Speaker 1: to the courtroom to say it the other witness that
Speaker 1: was there that hasn't been questions that I am Daredevil
Speaker 1: and like the DA's like, that's ridiculous. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: that at that point, questioning whether anyone's put to believe
Speaker 1: a blind man is a lawyer. But Matt said, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I expected this, takes takes his his cane
Speaker 1: and turns it into the baton and does ricochets it
Speaker 1: off of it and catches it without missing a beat,
Speaker 1: just shocking everyone in the room. You know, I saw
Speaker 1: people kind of comparing it to the you know, Tony
Speaker 1: Stark at the end of the first Iron Man saying
Speaker 1: I am Iron Man. This was a lot more theatrical.
Speaker 2: This to me taught the I am iron Man is iconic,
Speaker 2: but just for the sheer spectacle of it, this tops it.
Speaker 2: So not only is he like I'm Darren will in
Speaker 2: the courtroom of erupts the das like this is bs well,
Speaker 2: he tosses that it Ricochet's half the cork goes silent.
Speaker 2: The other half is cheering. Officer Palgo is just smiling
Speaker 2: because he feels a little bit vindicated right now that
Speaker 2: he's gotten his ass well by Daredevil, not just some
Speaker 2: random blind guy. Because he looks in he smiles and
Speaker 2: he goes humh blind lawyer who can fight, Like, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I feel a little bit better about that whoopan that
Speaker 2: I took.
Speaker 1: I would say he'd be more embarrassed at that point
Speaker 1: if it were him. You know, it's it's still got
Speaker 1: his butt handed to him.
Speaker 2: You know, oh he caught hands regardless, but at least
Speaker 2: he could say, yeah, I got it from Daredevil, not
Speaker 2: yet his blond dude beat me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, whatever works for him, where we got
Speaker 1: his keep, people put whatever justification for his name exactly so.
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Speaker 1: be right back and we are back, all right. So
Speaker 1: as we head into this we, you know, after that revelation,
Speaker 1: everyone's just just trying to figure out what exactly is
Speaker 1: going on. Matt testifies that Fis was smuggling weapons into
Speaker 1: the city, aiming his private task force with them, and
Speaker 1: using the court itself as part of the criminal agenda
Speaker 1: to hide out the weapons, use freeports through their advantage,
Speaker 1: and he and Jessica Jones destroyed the weapons in the
Speaker 1: interests of the public safety and the system with Jessica
Speaker 1: is there while watching, kind of nodding along and in
Speaker 1: the system created by Fisk never designed to serve justice.
Speaker 1: It was designed to protect him and serve to enrich him.
Speaker 1: And the judge agrees and at that point he said, yep,
Speaker 1: Karen's case is dismissed with prejudice because of all the
Speaker 1: theatrics had happened there, and she walks free for the
Speaker 1: first time in a long time. Fist loses in public
Speaker 1: and loses in amazing fashion.
Speaker 2: Yep, this is great. And for those of you who
Speaker 2: don't know, if a case is dismissed with prejudice, that
Speaker 2: means that the prosecution cannot bring the case back to
Speaker 2: be retried.
Speaker 1: So this is done.
Speaker 2: Karen is scott free that there is no Hey, we're
Speaker 2: gonna try this again in a different legal loophole, whatever else.
Speaker 2: It's done. She's she's in the eyes of the court.
Speaker 2: Karen's get to go.
Speaker 1: Yep. So outside the courthouse, Governor McCaffrey says the Attorney
Speaker 1: General has filed charges against Fist for racketeering, corruption, smuggling,
Speaker 1: and attempted murder. His assets are frozen. The free Portois
Speaker 1: sees resignation is offered as his only real option and
Speaker 1: fists like, nah, yeah, you can't just do that to me.
Speaker 1: There's there's process with this. And so soon after, near
Speaker 1: the courthouse enters Powell alerts the a VTF agent who
Speaker 1: is in the building across the street, to prepare to
Speaker 1: shoot Matt, but Bullseye makes it clear on the radio
Speaker 1: that that other agent is not with us. In so
Speaker 1: many different ways, Shape reforms attempting another assassination. He shoots
Speaker 1: in fist direction, but buck takes the bullet as he
Speaker 1: was always meant to do, stepping in front of it,
Speaker 1: and right as Powell says it's a trap, chaos ensues,
Speaker 1: gets that that's exactly what he needs, an excuse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's so funny. They're walking out of
Speaker 2: court and Matt Karen and just to leave on opposite side,
Speaker 2: fisting his group leave on opposite sides. But they meet
Speaker 2: in the lobby of this place and they have this
Speaker 2: intense stare down and that's when Powell says, pretty loudly
Speaker 2: in public, you know, hey, he's coming out, take the
Speaker 2: shot if you got it. And that's when Bullseye says, yeah, wrong,
Speaker 2: bulls eye and makes makes his shot instead. You know,
Speaker 2: poor Bucket gets it caught in the stomach, just when
Speaker 2: he was having his budding romance with Heather.
Speaker 1: Take off. They can get where they can get weird
Speaker 1: with that, you know, I would assume. So he immediately
Speaker 1: goes on television and declares New York under siege, framing
Speaker 1: the day's events as proof that Vigilanti and the supporters
Speaker 1: are attacking the city. He calls for order, but what
Speaker 1: he's really doing is starting a war hidden away in
Speaker 1: one of the other court offices with Matt, Jessica, Kirsten, Marge.
Speaker 1: Karen realizes if this is provoking an open conflict, he's good.
Speaker 1: If they're not careful, they're going to give him what
Speaker 1: he's looking for.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: As protesters start floating the streets, they all start putting
Speaker 1: Daredevil mass on, you know, very infantis of like V
Speaker 1: for Vendetta, showing the support. This order is that Matt
Speaker 1: and Karen cannot leave the courthouse alive. Inside match suits
Speaker 1: up again. Jessica Jones joins him, and together they prepare
Speaker 1: for an epic, epic, epic hallway fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah this this was cool, you know them Jessica brought
Speaker 2: Matt suit through it at him, you know, he he
Speaker 2: gets changed. Everyone seemed like, yeah, this is him in
Speaker 2: full Daredevil display. I like the moment with fish take
Speaker 2: fist took over the judges seating to make his little
Speaker 2: live broadcast because there was still pressed there. And then
Speaker 2: immediately after BB reveals, she puts out her own BB
Speaker 2: report and reveals it was her, but just that Hey, he's.
Speaker 1: Me Berry, it was Meg Wilson. It was me.
Speaker 2: He killed my uncle. He killed my man.
Speaker 1: He got it go. Yeah, she she she definitely like that,
Speaker 1: like that subtle like then she has that sudden revelation
Speaker 1: it was her, but you know it was necessary. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then we get Cherry, remember Cherry still alive and Brett
Speaker 1: Mahoney stand with the police against fists Anti Vigilante Task Force.
Speaker 1: Powell tries to escalate the confrontation, and but you get
Speaker 1: Hector's niece out there calling him out, saying, you need
Speaker 1: to tell the truth. You killed my uncle, you killed Hector.
Speaker 1: And then North is just like I thought you said,
Speaker 1: this is like no, no, no worry about it. It's
Speaker 1: like that, and he gets tired of it, and then
Speaker 1: just kind of what does he do just clock him
Speaker 1: or with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he takes he turns, takes above the gun and
Speaker 2: just pops him right in the side of the head.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm enough of your lies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is where I kind of I was.
Speaker 1: I was not necessarily feeling this all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like they say, okay, just let him through. So one
Speaker 1: action like that's going to turn the entire group of
Speaker 1: a v TF agents out there saying, oh sounds like
Speaker 1: he made a reasonable argument. Good. Well because even Fifth
Speaker 1: said before they even got out there and Daredevil's on
Speaker 1: his way and it's like, yeah, he's not alone. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you can make a decision whether to uh do your
Speaker 1: job or or or leave and he probably was gonna
Speaker 1: leave alive at that point. It's just like there we
Speaker 1: needed to see a few more cracks in the a
Speaker 1: v TF just to buy that they're they're worthy. It
Speaker 1: just didn't seem that this was this wasn't as well
Speaker 1: thought out they amost seems like there were scenes missing.
Speaker 2: I will agree with that. It was very archaic in
Speaker 2: North hits pow with the gun is like, oh, you
Speaker 2: beat our leader, you're the new leader. Now we all
Speaker 2: follow you.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's yeah, So minor quibble, but still it it
Speaker 1: was one of those Okay, we're going to capitalize on Yeah, Daredevil,
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah, that could happen. But you know, as
Speaker 1: everyone's been so gung ho about like going against you know,
Speaker 1: vigilanteism and things like that, and you know, we know
Speaker 1: what the ABTF is really about in the reality of
Speaker 1: our world, but it just seemed like, really that one
Speaker 1: thing's going to really turn it in. Man, you guys
Speaker 1: are don't understand the idea about commitment and loyalty. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So inside the courthouse, chaos and erups. Protesters clashed with
Speaker 1: the Task Force agents. Karen fights, Jessica Jones fights, Matt's
Speaker 1: fighting like everyone's throwing hands, and you know, David's living
Speaker 1: in his glory moments at that point and so physticides.
Speaker 1: I'm getting out of the action, bust open the door
Speaker 1: and goes boom boom and just unleashes the I mean
Speaker 1: we've seen king Pin and Daredevil fight, That's one thing
Speaker 1: we've seen him go like a we have never seen
Speaker 1: this amount of just like chaos that he's doing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think they really I don't think they did
Speaker 1: this to this extent on the Netflix show.
Speaker 2: No that this was the most we Like I said,
Speaker 2: we've seen them go back and forth, but this was
Speaker 2: a whole new version of Fisk. And I mean he's
Speaker 2: picking people off, breaking people's backs against the wall.
Speaker 1: Like jais snapping next. I mean, these are civilians.
Speaker 2: He was full on just like yeah, I'm taking everybody out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, peep, peop. These these are fans that are saying,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm gonna take down Fish. I could see
Speaker 1: this literally happening and be like, dude, no, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say running for the hills at this point, but it's
Speaker 1: like you gotta read the room.
Speaker 2: So there's one part where he takes out one of
Speaker 2: the guys in the hallway I think, like squeezes his
Speaker 2: head and drops him. Yeah, and there's another dude right
Speaker 2: behind him and he just like charges up with a
Speaker 2: war cry and runs at fists. I'm like, you just
Speaker 2: saw what happened to your man's over here?
Speaker 1: Why are you He's going out? He's going the burnhal cry.
Speaker 2: This is not how this works.
Speaker 1: Can't particular in fisk. I'm a Vanessa. If I say
Speaker 1: that word to you, Vanessa, No, that was just making it.
Speaker 1: I'll make it me more mad. You go, you go
Speaker 1: a hulk mode on that one. Yeah, he went full
Speaker 1: Kingpin like this was It was a very This is
Speaker 1: definitely one of my favorite scenes in it, just to
Speaker 1: see Kingpin really just go full on out that we
Speaker 1: know what he's been holding back this entire time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh So eventually they get out into the main Fourier era.
Speaker 1: You see like Daredevil Karen Jessica like staring up along
Speaker 1: with a bunch of other the protesters, they run up,
Speaker 1: they start beating on Fisk, and MAT's like, no, not
Speaker 1: like this, don't do like it's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: come home, man, I'm not That was another thing. No,
Speaker 1: it can't be this way. It's just like, I do
Speaker 1: you honestly think they're going to really do any damage
Speaker 1: to Kingpin. They may like kind of slow them down,
Speaker 1: but they ain't doing anything.
Speaker 2: They they got him at one point. Now granted there
Speaker 2: was ale, this is by time he made it down.
Speaker 2: This my point, Yeah, that he had made it down
Speaker 2: the steps, he had already killed a bunch of people.
Speaker 2: They through the whole gang at him finally just start
Speaker 2: just straight up school yard jumping them. But he was
Speaker 2: still like, hey, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to
Speaker 2: do this. Like fits was not backing down. I don't
Speaker 2: care how many people y'all sent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where you know, you know, prior to this,
Speaker 1: he's gotten another offer from the from the Attorney General
Speaker 1: to saying nope, not taking it, not gonna step down.
Speaker 1: You know, this is where, you know, the where the
Speaker 1: finale makes makes a choice saying Matt doesn't end this
Speaker 1: with Raves, he ends in with mercy. You know. He
Speaker 1: tells this the truth that if he keeps fighting, the
Speaker 1: cycle will never stop. Prison means losing Vanessa forever. Revenge
Speaker 1: means destroying the city they both claim to love. Then
Speaker 1: Matt offers him something This doesn't know how to accept, grace.
Speaker 1: At first rejects it. He says Matt has no right
Speaker 1: to offer him grace to him, but Matt insists peace
Speaker 1: for the city matters more than peace for themselves. And
Speaker 1: finally This says yes, no handshake, no redemption, just surrender.
Speaker 1: Another issue I have with this. I get this is
Speaker 1: part of Matt's you know, Matt's character. Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I never really ever thought that Fists loves New York
Speaker 1: City to the think that Matt's thing like he loves
Speaker 1: his No, he loves New York City because it's a
Speaker 1: place that he is riddled with corruption, riddled with things
Speaker 1: to take advantage of crime, that he can run like power.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with love of the city.
Speaker 1: That's where I know what they were doing. But I,
Speaker 1: you know, being the confident I am and knowing who
Speaker 1: Kingpin is, I'm not saying they don't. This doesn't land
Speaker 1: for me the way they wanted to land for those
Speaker 1: of us that understand what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not here for the beautiful brown Stones or
Speaker 2: the look over a Central Park or anything like that.
Speaker 2: He wants the power, the control. This is one of
Speaker 2: the largest cities, This is a hub, and this is
Speaker 2: him being in control of this focal point city and
Speaker 2: him standing above everyone else.
Speaker 1: Because again, if if it was about that, then he
Speaker 1: just railed down a whole bunch of people he should
Speaker 1: be loving, you know. So yeah, that that didn't That
Speaker 1: didn't land for me, that one. So you call that
Speaker 1: a hot taker. And now I know what, I know
Speaker 1: what they were trying to get at. I don't think
Speaker 1: that was the way to do it. So he accepts
Speaker 1: the deal. Basically, I guess the deal is that he
Speaker 1: leaves the city loses his citizenship. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: was kind of a thing. They could just just rip
Speaker 1: away at that moment, you know, yeahs.
Speaker 2: Go anywhere else other than New York, Like, do you
Speaker 2: have citizenship to just New York? Is this symbolic citizens Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm confused.
Speaker 1: Banned from the state like the Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters too
Speaker 1: were supposed to be you know. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: a thing I mean, I don't know the law of
Speaker 1: that one. Soone if someone says, yes, that's the thing,
Speaker 1: is said, okay, I except that it just it just seems
Speaker 1: so like extravagant. At that point, I thought, that's what
Speaker 1: jail is.
Speaker 2: Like, does Jersey count like can you just like go
Speaker 2: across the bridge and you get like, I'm so confused.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a garden state. Garden state for
Speaker 1: grown smokestacks. Yes. So next morning was quiet in a
Speaker 1: way that you know, they we haven't seen it in
Speaker 1: a while. Matt and Karen are together trying to imagine
Speaker 1: what normal life feels like after everything they've done. It's awkward, honest, hopeful.
Speaker 1: They admit that they've made a mess of everything very
Speaker 1: much so and decided to try anyways. You know, we
Speaker 1: we leave. You know, they're they're chatting in this quiet
Speaker 1: little diner's face and then I see Mac and on
Speaker 1: one knee and I'm so. I know there were a
Speaker 1: number of people, lots of people say, oh, he's gonna
Speaker 1: propose a good process, and ah ah, I saw that headshilt.
Speaker 1: He hears something and I know what's coming. At that point,
Speaker 1: he's getting arrested and he gets down on his knees,
Speaker 1: puts his hand behind his head because he's getting arrested
Speaker 1: for the crimes of Daredevil. Basically just being a vigilantine
Speaker 1: causing chaos. Yeah, you know, and this was what you know,
Speaker 1: we both that I can't remember if it was you
Speaker 1: or me or something like that, that we're gonna get
Speaker 1: a devil and silblock d you know, you in the courtroom,
Speaker 1: you get you got your factor of fiction that you
Speaker 1: put out there that Matt was going to reveal himself
Speaker 1: in order to save Karen gold Star for you too.
Speaker 1: But this was this was the inevitability. You know, this
Speaker 1: is this is what happens, has happened at Daredevil a
Speaker 1: number of times, but particularly in the Vendus and Brubaker run.
Speaker 1: You know, he goes to jail for the crimes of Daredevil.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're going to be you know,
Speaker 1: like our Brethern, no Rikik versus. This is not going
Speaker 1: to go away by waiving doctor Strange and forgetting things.
Speaker 1: At this point, this was this was the way this
Speaker 1: season had to end. You know, we we knew the
Speaker 1: Mayor Fist line was going to be concluded. I was
Speaker 1: hoping we were going to get Devil and Cell Block D,
Speaker 1: which we're going to get. The question is for how
Speaker 1: long is he going to be in jail for? But
Speaker 1: we get conclusions in his towards the future. We get
Speaker 1: Jessica reuniting with Luke Cage and alias investigations. First twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six prediction for our prediction show counted for me.
Speaker 1: Prediction was another another defender would be in this show
Speaker 1: that we didn't already know about. We already knew about
Speaker 1: Jessica Jones, we didn't know about anyone else officially in
Speaker 1: this one. We knew we saw the reveal for the
Speaker 1: set photos of that one, but there still was no
Speaker 1: confirmation at that point. But this is what I got.
Speaker 2: Yep, No, you got one on the board. Luke Cage
Speaker 2: walks in. They lack guys. He says he's he's done
Speaker 2: with this stuff from mister Charles. Now it's it's all
Speaker 2: wrapped up. It's you know, what he saw over there
Speaker 2: changed him. But he's home now. And you know you
Speaker 2: see Danielle like run and say daddy, and jess Gass's
Speaker 2: look on her face, she's glad he's home. And they
Speaker 2: just allgive this one big embrace.
Speaker 1: Yep, And like I said, the Aliens investigations is back
Speaker 1: and open. BB is now joining the Oh what's the
Speaker 1: name the bulletin? The bulletin? Yeah, I want to say, Bogle.
Speaker 1: It's not the Beagles, Yeah, the bulletin. We get him
Speaker 1: handing over, you know, Yurick's legacy box at that point,
Speaker 1: so she's going to continue on his what she learned
Speaker 1: from him. Then we get mister Charles in an airplane
Speaker 1: and who's right next to him as a sea partner, Bullseye.
Speaker 1: That's who he got replaced grooming. He's far from finish, Heather.
Speaker 1: And as I write here in our notes, in one
Speaker 1: of the most disturbing revelations that really we've been sinking
Speaker 1: for a while. And yes, after all this stuff, I
Speaker 1: kind of saw what people were saying, Oh that was
Speaker 1: revealed in this sad photos that we're going to get.
Speaker 1: She is taking over the mask amuse you know. And
Speaker 1: I have to say, kind of being a little cliche
Speaker 1: with the psych collegists not necessarily falling fur their their
Speaker 1: you know, I know mus wasn't a patient, but just basically, man,
Speaker 1: you went all cliche on this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you become your attacker. Now. Funny enough, I had
Speaker 2: mentioned that I had had some fact for fictions that
Speaker 2: to scrap you to certain things. This was one that
Speaker 2: I had to scrap because I had it written down
Speaker 2: in my notes. I was counting down to it. I
Speaker 2: was like, cool, and then I saw one of the
Speaker 2: set photos. You know, I was trying to avoid to
Speaker 2: put Unfortunately, if someone puts on Instagram, that's much harder
Speaker 2: to avoid than Twitter. I saw it and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: now I got to scratch that out because people think
Speaker 2: I just saw the set photos and went with the
Speaker 2: low hanging fruit, but that was that was in my
Speaker 2: nose for a while to use. Yeah, I had one
Speaker 2: of those until you know, I felt okay and the
Speaker 2: clear about looking at uh you know post season three,
Speaker 2: and you know one of mine was going to be
Speaker 2: this week that you know, we I this was low
Speaker 2: hanging for it if I really needed something and saying
Speaker 2: this was going to return in it. And so I
Speaker 2: see that Santa Claus is back in the city with him.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Fiscus exile from power. He's alone at the
Speaker 2: sea that is in prison, wearing orange waiting with a
Speaker 2: smirk on his face, which is also from the comics too,
Speaker 2: where he's getting taken in and the light is like
Speaker 2: I couldn't help, but notice that when the verdict was done,
Speaker 2: you kind of smiled that you were found guilty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he knew exactly what his fate was, even said when
Speaker 2: he got arrested, like they're coming for the crimes of Daredevil.
Speaker 2: You know, he went patiently.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, he's walking in and he passes Pal
Speaker 2: who's already in the jail, and you know, he kind
Speaker 2: of gets that smark like, yeah, you ain't safe here neither.
Speaker 1: I think it's like, oh, you're in there with them,
Speaker 1: and say no, they're in here with me. You know,
Speaker 1: that's basically what he's thinking. You know, it would have
Speaker 1: been cool. I agree. It would have been cool to
Speaker 1: see if Fish also went to jail and they're all
Speaker 1: in there, and it's basically kind of like tribalism at
Speaker 1: that point where he had those on Daredevil side versus
Speaker 1: the one the Fifth Empire, you know, that was that
Speaker 1: would have been a different way. But just being exiled,
Speaker 1: that was okay. I I would have people already. You know,
Speaker 1: we technically, I guess had this, but because of the blip,
Speaker 1: we never really got to see Fisk in prison, so
Speaker 1: you know, I get it, but I would have liked
Speaker 1: to have kind of delved into that idea of Fisk
Speaker 1: in prison at this point. But you know, we know
Speaker 1: he's coming back, we know there, you know he's gonna
Speaker 1: be in season three. But you know, all in all,
Speaker 1: this definitely landed very very well, much better ending than
Speaker 1: the than how you know, the season was much better
Speaker 1: put together outside of you know, the one episode we
Speaker 1: kind of liked, the one episode I wasn't on that
Speaker 1: was an email episode. But as a whole, this was
Speaker 1: a much better season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, much much better so.
Speaker 1: But but we do have a question kind of related
Speaker 1: to this in our listener feedback, So we're going to
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Speaker 1: we can answer that as we tie into like where
Speaker 1: do you rank this? Where do you rank this? So
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Speaker 1: so I put out the spider signal as usual, there
Speaker 1: is no news this week obviously, you know they're basking
Speaker 1: in the glory of Daredevil Born Again. So who do
Speaker 1: we got coming at us with a question? All right?
Speaker 2: Anthony Dorsey sent in a question that says, now that
Speaker 2: the story that began in season one has wrapped up
Speaker 2: in come full circle, where would you rank this show
Speaker 2: as if season Born Again? Season one and season two
Speaker 2: were one full season compared to the Netflix's three seasons.
Speaker 2: Since we had such a shortened season in you know, Netflix,
Speaker 2: each season got a little bit of a longer run.
Speaker 2: We're gonna and you know, season one was kind of
Speaker 2: you know, cut and pace. We're gonna count it as
Speaker 2: one whole season and then compare it to the three
Speaker 2: seasons of Netflix.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember when they was announcer Daredevil Born Again
Speaker 1: twenty four at what was it like? It was something crazy?
Speaker 1: It was it was something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like twenty two or twenty four episodes.
Speaker 2: It was up there and we were like.
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, We're gonna go a year oh year Daredevil.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, pumping into my veins, but.
Speaker 2: Give me the content machine, But damn.
Speaker 1: I don't think we were going back to the nineties
Speaker 1: and the genially two thousands were happening that. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so so this whole born that's been lost isn't okay,
Speaker 1: So all right, this might be a hot take, but
Speaker 1: and call it just because I got so much of
Speaker 1: I really liked and seeing you know, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: shoot your shot, to shoot your shot. I still rank
Speaker 1: Daredevil Season two is my top I do I love
Speaker 1: I love bringing in the Punisher, I enjoy the Electra stuff.
Speaker 1: Some people have problems that that's fine. I still I
Speaker 1: like season two is my top choice, followed by season
Speaker 1: one of the Netflix show. And it's because it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard because I've been the one of the people
Speaker 1: saying it's really hard to compare, Like, we're not gonning,
Speaker 1: this is not the Netflix show. Born Against Born Again
Speaker 1: is not the Netflix show. Is never trying to be
Speaker 1: the netflo it's trying to capture the ideas of it,
Speaker 1: but was never going to be the Netflix show. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to compare them. But and so
Speaker 1: this is where it gets a little unfair. But I
Speaker 1: will say that I think Born Again is my third
Speaker 1: and season three and season three of the Netflix shows
Speaker 1: is rank last doesn't mean it's bad. It's just if
Speaker 1: I had to choose at that point what i'd watch
Speaker 1: it more through, I'd probably choose Born Again before season three.
Speaker 2: So you have not seen my notes. We have not
Speaker 2: talked about this. My list is exactly the same. Can
Speaker 2: corroborate this, because yes, Brent and I had a conversation
Speaker 2: about this two weeks ago, and he judged me for
Speaker 2: season two being ahead of it. I said, I cannot
Speaker 2: dismiss the fun that I had with the Punisher, the
Speaker 2: seeing the scene of Frank tied up with the gun,
Speaker 2: you know, everything that happened. And I said that one
Speaker 2: had two incredible one shot fights. It had Dared Devil's
Speaker 2: going up against the biker gang, and then it had
Speaker 2: the one in the prison with Frank. I'm like, that
Speaker 2: was so much for me. My original ranking before before
Speaker 2: this question was two one season two of Born Again.
Speaker 2: Season three of the Netflix. Season one of Born Again.
Speaker 2: That was my original ranking, as I told Brent two
Speaker 2: weeks ago, and I said, card subject to change because
Speaker 2: the season hadn't ended. So I'm combining those. I still
Speaker 2: have this season at number three because I have to
Speaker 2: take into account what happened in season one. But when
Speaker 2: it comes to season three of the Netflix, although I
Speaker 2: like it, I feel like some of the Agent Nadeem
Speaker 2: stuff really drug it down at points, and like the
Speaker 2: ending was your at the ending fights, Oh yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: it just some of the pacing. I was like, let
Speaker 2: let's let's get to the action. Let's speed this up.
Speaker 2: It had some cool moments. We spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time with Dexa's inner psyche and you know, here and
Speaker 2: there was good, but we spent like almost a whole
Speaker 2: episode on him stalking a girl like so between that
Speaker 2: and the Deemed stuff and things like that, it just
Speaker 2: didn't have that pool for me, as season two was
Speaker 2: just completely shoot it in my veins fan service. Of
Speaker 2: the things that I like, season one was amazing got
Speaker 2: me hooked. I still vividly remember the first time I
Speaker 2: saw the end of episode four, like it was just greatness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also want to you know again, I
Speaker 1: have very similar I think if I were to break
Speaker 1: up the seasons yet, season one and Born Again is
Speaker 1: going to be last, just because of the disjointness of it.
Speaker 1: Season three, I'm with you. It was some great character stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think that it almost got it almost was
Speaker 1: trying to double down in season one, like it was
Speaker 1: trying to bring it back to you know, as we
Speaker 1: always joke around back to formula, and I know what
Speaker 1: they're trying to do post the Defenders, and this was
Speaker 1: that was their born again, you know, that was the
Speaker 1: born against storyline in a way, just I mean for
Speaker 1: kind of loud. We didn't even get we got him
Speaker 1: back in the we didn't eve get him back in
Speaker 1: the Dared double suit. We had decks in the Dared
Speaker 1: Double suit, and Matt never wore it again, you know,
Speaker 1: at all that season. And so there I had more
Speaker 1: like saying, oh, you know, I know what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do, but especially when we found out this was
Speaker 1: gonna be the end, is like we didn't know we
Speaker 1: were gonna get Born again. So yeah, no, it's I
Speaker 1: did not know that that you're also a fan of
Speaker 1: season two, because I take the whole thing where you know,
Speaker 1: a big fan of Jack Snyder. Zack Snyder said it
Speaker 1: best if you've got a if you you don't know
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get this, so you got to shoot
Speaker 1: your shot for it. I think season two season one
Speaker 1: was perfect concept. Well, guess what we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: do this right now and put the biggest two biggest
Speaker 1: things that are tied to Dared double Electra pun sure
Speaker 1: in him. Did they I'm not saying it was done perfectly,
Speaker 1: not saying it is a perfect season, but what they
Speaker 1: gave me was something was something that's saying, oh right,
Speaker 1: I can feel this. I they they're they're getting They're
Speaker 1: getting enough of the beats right that I can I
Speaker 1: can see what you're doing. But yeah, no, thank you
Speaker 1: for asking the question, Anthony. Good question. So, well, before
Speaker 1: we close out our Daredevil stuff, the season as a whole,
Speaker 1: out of ten, what do you rank this.
Speaker 2: Out of ten? Right now? I am going to put
Speaker 2: it at an eight point five. Maybe once I view
Speaker 2: it all again in a vacuum, I will then bump
Speaker 2: it up a little bit more. Uh. But I do
Speaker 2: think that there were some times that it was just
Speaker 2: a little bit too slow for me, but some of
Speaker 2: the the action scenes at times that it was great
Speaker 2: and it was riveting or amazing. Like I said, episode four,
Speaker 2: that gloves off episode was amazing. I love the way
Speaker 2: that this ended, and you know, some of the but
Speaker 2: it also had its weird and there's a whole lot
Speaker 2: of choking. This show's got its kink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly so, but yeah, I'm gonna rank it at
Speaker 1: A seven point seven six two three. Shout out to
Speaker 1: my best friend Chuck at that point. You know, we
Speaker 1: got to do those numbers, Chuck though, Yes, we gotta
Speaker 1: go crunch you know, we we to him, we we
Speaker 1: have crunchy numbers we've got. This show is crunchy to him.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, seven points seven six two three. I
Speaker 1: don't put it at a just because of a lot
Speaker 1: of different things there. But again, a much better season
Speaker 1: than than season one. As we constantly have said. Tonight
Speaker 1: and I know we both are very excited for the Punisher,
Speaker 1: one last kill. We are gonna break that down unless
Speaker 1: some major news breaks next week. It is I think
Speaker 1: it's a ninety minute show or a little bit under
Speaker 1: ninety minutes. I think that's there. Yeah, so that's what
Speaker 1: we're only. Basically, it's like a little movie. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna doing, you know, a little movie in the middle
Speaker 1: of the week. So uh so, very excited about that.
Speaker 1: But as we conclude, our are looking see at for
Speaker 1: fact or fiction, So we pull those up. All right,
Speaker 1: these actually did work. I don't know what happened last week.
Speaker 1: I know there was voting going on with the previous weeks.
Speaker 1: It just somehow everything went to zero. Not this week, thankfully.
Speaker 1: All right, these were years from last week. Matt will
Speaker 1: sacrifice his identity to save Karen in the finale Daredevil
Speaker 1: Born Against season two, So we know that was true.
Speaker 1: Eighty five percent said fact, fifteen percent in fiction number two.
Speaker 1: We will get a very nick cage over the top
Speaker 1: spider bite in Spider Noir eighty three percent in fact,
Speaker 1: seventeen percent in fiction. And last, Bull's Eye will return
Speaker 1: as part of the New Avengers fifty to fifty split.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm surprised because that last one was a stretch
Speaker 2: for it at fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'll take it, yep, exactly. So all right, so
Speaker 1: here in mine, Bullseye will returning season three of daredel
Speaker 1: Board again in an episode focused on what he has
Speaker 1: been doing for mister Trulls. We will get a Bullseye
Speaker 1: centric episode in season three.
Speaker 2: I will say fact on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they have to be careful. I'm I'm I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm trying to figure out right now where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lie this. Because I wrote the question, I
Speaker 1: thought that was one way, and then I started thinking
Speaker 1: about I don't know, because remember we're dealing with We've
Speaker 1: already know the defenders are coming back, They're gonna be
Speaker 1: doing some crime. Final Matt's in jail. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't even have an idea of how long we're gonna
Speaker 1: be Matt in jail. I don't. I hope it's not
Speaker 1: half the season. I'm at least gonna go going to
Speaker 1: be more than two episodes. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: between three and four episodes. You know that he's gonna
Speaker 1: be in jail.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna be exonerated, but I think
Speaker 1: at some point he's gonna get out. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna spend the whole season in jail because then I
Speaker 1: think we have another season three of the Netflix show
Speaker 1: on our hands. Yeah, and as you said, that's not
Speaker 1: as the best thing. But I will say I will
Speaker 1: say I don't. I'm gonna say fiction. It will not
Speaker 1: be an entire episode. It'll be kind of a kind
Speaker 1: of back and forth episode. You know, Well, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be ties into it. It will. It will be a
Speaker 1: half and half kind of thing. So yeah, so number
Speaker 1: two Doctor Fiction. Number two, Daredevil will don a new
Speaker 1: version of his suit, fully embracing the d D logo
Speaker 1: in season three. This was the first time we got
Speaker 1: this is the first thing. We're going to get the
Speaker 1: red d D the red We're going to get the
Speaker 1: red de D logo. We got that, we got the
Speaker 1: you know, the the Home Depot version of the black
Speaker 1: black suit with the red de dy spray painted, and
Speaker 1: we're going to get a true version of the red suit. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go like I'm also a lover of
Speaker 1: what Chips Dartsky did when we had like Daredevil in
Speaker 1: charge of the of in charge of you know, the
Speaker 1: hand from that run. That was a cool thing with
Speaker 1: the beard and everything. I don't think we're going that
Speaker 1: far yet, but I do think we're going to get
Speaker 1: a new suit. But it's going to be fully embracing
Speaker 1: the d d's.
Speaker 2: I will say fact on that, just because I want it.
Speaker 2: I want it so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a fact as well, all right. Last one,
Speaker 1: this might be this. I don't know how people are
Speaker 1: going to feel about this one. A character is going
Speaker 1: to come back. I'm not saying the person's going to
Speaker 1: redo their role. I know they're going to do their best.
Speaker 1: I'm okay. If there's a recasting going on, this character
Speaker 1: cannot stay away from it. It's there directly to Daredevil.
Speaker 1: They're one tango dancing. A Elektra will return in season
Speaker 1: three of Born Again.
Speaker 2: I am going to say fact on that the actress
Speaker 2: who plays Electra has been posting a lot of Jim
Speaker 2: videos lately, and so I think she's either gearing up
Speaker 2: for a return or she's very heavily politicking for return.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I would love to have her back, but
Speaker 1: I think the character, again, the characters is too tied
Speaker 1: to Daredevil to just like let it lie never come back.
Speaker 1: And people say, what about Foggy, Yeah, I have my
Speaker 1: problems with Foggy dying. I do. I do have my
Speaker 1: problems with Foggy dying. I understand it was a difference
Speaker 1: between him and him or Karen. I'm not a fan
Speaker 1: of Foggy die. Nah. I get why, I just I
Speaker 1: don't like it. I agree, so, but yeah, I hope
Speaker 1: Lecture does return, and this one would be It would
Speaker 1: be great to see i'd return and forgot a loud.
Speaker 1: We got Finn Jones coming back, so anything's possible. But
Speaker 1: all right, so I will post those on Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 1: Lect your voices be heard with that, and let us
Speaker 1: continue our com book club age of Ultron number eight.
Speaker 1: So they are the alternative future that they just created
Speaker 1: as a result of Wolverine killing Hank Pim and then
Speaker 1: the early two thousands and how we portured women out
Speaker 1: to leave it at that with Emma Frost, it's like,
Speaker 1: women don't look like that. Sorry, they don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that this is still in the power Girl
Speaker 2: era of drawing comic book women just very very over
Speaker 2: the top and the angles at which they choose to
Speaker 2: draw them as well.
Speaker 1: Anyways, besides the point, thank goodness, we have two storm
Speaker 1: being you know, you know at that point, but you
Speaker 1: know Tony Stark, you know, we find out like basically
Speaker 1: he's only got half a body. Really, we find out
Speaker 1: what was going on with I guess the Morgan le
Speaker 1: Fay war that was going on, and they're basically saying
Speaker 1: that they're telling the truth. They aren't scrolls. It's an
Speaker 1: amazing thing, but really not buying it. And it's an
Speaker 1: interesting interrogation that Tony's doing with with Logan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they're they're playing old memories that that
Speaker 2: he's downloaded, and you know, just having this whole back
Speaker 2: and forth, and then he is all so comparing him
Speaker 2: to the other version of Logan that we saw, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, rubbing it in his face like you're
Speaker 2: you're the reason that all this this society we live
Speaker 2: in now, me having half a body, all this other stuff,
Speaker 2: it's all your fault because you killed Hank Pim and
Speaker 2: we know it because we have video footage. And Wolverine's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't think you guys had security cameras back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, little presumptuous on his part, but I like it
Speaker 1: that they the defenders are basically not going to be
Speaker 1: taking this one dying down. They want to get in there.
Speaker 1: They want to they you know thing whilen't Sue back,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you know, they bust through, but at
Speaker 1: that moment Sue gets out of there. They noticed the
Speaker 1: intruders coming in and it's not anyone. They think it's
Speaker 1: Morgan le Fay and her her kind of minions and
Speaker 1: making a surprise attack and it doesn't go well, not
Speaker 1: really at all. And it's kind of interesting how out
Speaker 1: of all the characters they decided to put to the
Speaker 1: forefront of Morgan la Fay, because even even during this
Speaker 1: time of the comic ground like, Morgan la Fay is
Speaker 1: not like a top you know, I know they present
Speaker 1: it as a top tier Avengers she's I don't think
Speaker 1: it's not that much in the lex gun. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's had some great battles, it's been some interesting ones,
Speaker 1: but I've never really considered Morgan la Fay a top
Speaker 1: tier Avengers threat villain. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When they have this splash spage and they're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, Morgan la face here, I'm like, really that okay,
Speaker 2: with all the ones you get have gone to that's
Speaker 2: that's not the reaction I was guessing for that character.
Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, I mean that's what they originally thought.
Speaker 1: It was like a projection of morgana Fay or creating
Speaker 1: these memories at that point. But yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: does not look well for this world. And I will
Speaker 1: say this, you know, we get to the next ending.
Speaker 1: I remember the next issue, if memory serves from my
Speaker 1: reading of this is the issue where they really jump
Speaker 1: the Shark like a lot. As they say, Wolverine versus Wolverine,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, no, they're really gonna do Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna go crazy with time in, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna put this up.
Speaker 2: They they release that that cover with Wolverine Sabne Woverine,
Speaker 2: and you know, someone's like, yep, this is gonna be
Speaker 2: the selling point if putting Wolverine in your comics moves units.
Speaker 2: We got two Wolverines and they're fighting each other and
Speaker 2: one of.
Speaker 1: Them's and then one of them they gotta have to
Speaker 1: kill them. So yeah, it's it's interesting. I've never put
Speaker 1: Age of Vultron as a top tier like you have
Speaker 1: to read it, but I've I've kind of saying like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some moments I have fun with this, and then
Speaker 1: moments like, okay, I understand why you know, we probably
Speaker 1: didn't need to go this way in the MCU, and
Speaker 1: we just took the idea of the title and went
Speaker 1: with it and say yeah, that's probably was the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, so we will continue on with Age Voltron
Speaker 1: number nine and yeah two ninety six in the books,
Speaker 1: and but yeah, so as always, you We want to
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Speaker 1: post credits discussion tonight, what you got? All right?
Speaker 2: So, Charlie Cox revealed that much was cut from what
Speaker 2: was actually filmed, including some scenes of him taking a
Speaker 2: head first backwards free fall or a lot of him
Speaker 2: learning the discipline of fighting against the stick dummy. You know,
Speaker 2: he was a little bit upset that all this good
Speaker 2: stuff never made it to the actual show, kind of.
Speaker 1: Laugh when he said that, really the stick dummy, that's
Speaker 1: of all the things you really miss at that point.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess maybe, like you said, you spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time doing it and that's all they got.
Speaker 1: Like that's all I kind of really needed at that point.
Speaker 1: I didn't need to prove that you were training at
Speaker 1: that point and kind of assumed you knew it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So with that being said, number one, what do
Speaker 2: you what is something that you felt was either missing
Speaker 2: or you want it more of from this season? And
Speaker 2: number two, Charlie mentions that you know some of this
Speaker 2: was cut due to the lower episode council. Do you
Speaker 2: think this show should go back to a higher episode
Speaker 2: count as they did in the Netflix.
Speaker 1: Era, I'd say yes on the higher episodc acount. What
Speaker 1: I would say, I'd say two more episodes. I think
Speaker 1: a solid ten episodes does does it well. I think
Speaker 1: if people say, oh, you got a filler episode, no,
Speaker 1: I think a ten would have allowed it to breathe. Now,
Speaker 1: what other storylines would I would have done? Like I said,
Speaker 1: I think if we wanted to really believe some of
Speaker 1: the A v TF was gonna start turning. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: some more with that, I don't know. I didn't read
Speaker 1: enough of the story of where one last kill is
Speaker 1: placed in this one. I think it's obviously it's obviously
Speaker 1: between these two things. But I just I think I
Speaker 1: think Frank should have been somewhere in this season. I
Speaker 1: think that would have been some interesting dynamics there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I would have liked to see. I think mister
Speaker 1: Charles was wasted. I don't I don't see the character
Speaker 1: itself did not You could put anyone there, anyone in there.
Speaker 1: I just didn't think it could have been any no
Speaker 1: name thing. At that point, I would have just bought
Speaker 1: it like this was trying to smuggle arms for something.
Speaker 1: You didn't need the miss the mister Charles character. That
Speaker 1: for that one line of a valve being in there,
Speaker 1: that was that was just a throwaway, Like if we're
Speaker 1: gonna make mister Charles somewhat of a threat, then this
Speaker 1: season did not do anything like that, you know, so
Speaker 1: little things like that. But I agree the episode counts
Speaker 1: you to have gone up just a little bit. It
Speaker 1: just I think it needed one or two episodes more.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you need to do thirteen episodes
Speaker 1: on Netflix. I think ten is more than enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, ten for me would have been this
Speaker 2: sweet spot with this. You know, thirteen does tend to
Speaker 2: drag or they do tend to overstuffed episodes. I'll also
Speaker 2: agree with you that the mister Charles stuff just felt lacking,
Speaker 2: especially you know, being so much a part of the
Speaker 2: trailers and such a big deal. We got Matthew Lillard
Speaker 2: and then all right, you've got him for a scene
Speaker 2: in the first episode, a scene in the second episode,
Speaker 2: then we don't really see him for a while, then
Speaker 2: he comes back at the end. It's just this big,
Speaker 2: bad presence just wasn't there. I'll also admit that, like
Speaker 2: I said, said we had two weeks where no one
Speaker 2: caught hands. It's a daredevil episode. I want to see
Speaker 2: one of the best hand to hand street fighters fight somebody.
Speaker 2: That's why I watched this. And for Charlie Cox's revelation
Speaker 2: that you know, he didn't get to do much with
Speaker 2: the stick dummies and all this other stuff. You're not,
Speaker 2: Finn Jones. I can tell you've been training, so let
Speaker 2: me see that in the fight sequences. I don't need
Speaker 2: to see this stuff with the stick dummy.
Speaker 1: Brab over you.
Speaker 2: For learning the discipline, but I'd rather see him continue
Speaker 2: to go up against thus continue to take out the
Speaker 2: task Force and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, it'll be interesting to see, you know
Speaker 1: what ends up for season three. Like we said, we've
Speaker 1: already gotten quote unquote spoiled on certain things, but I
Speaker 1: don't now that we see where it's going. I think
Speaker 1: the Defenders was the biggest one. Seeing Finn Jones back
Speaker 1: after we already saw Luke Cage, so that was one.
Speaker 1: But you know again, Colin Wing, she's holding out for
Speaker 1: bringing her back. Please bring her back. I'd like to
Speaker 1: see Electric come back. You know again, this might be
Speaker 1: the final season. You know again, we know the ratings
Speaker 1: have not been there for it. If anyone who knows
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes of Hollywood, contracts get renegotiated after
Speaker 1: season three and the actors do, their price tag goes
Speaker 1: up after three seasons. So it's going to be very
Speaker 1: interesting to see if we get more than one more
Speaker 1: season out of this. My prediction right now is probably not.
Speaker 1: So I hope that they go out swinging. If this
Speaker 1: is going to be the final season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see three seasons being the definitive stopping point.
Speaker 2: And I'm just hoping that they land this plane. You know,
Speaker 2: solid can continue the rise up that you had from
Speaker 2: season one to season two and just yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 2: for what's next.
Speaker 1: Yep. So all right, we'll see you next week for
Speaker 1: our breakdown and spoiler review of Unsure one Last Kill.
Speaker 1: You all have a great weekend. Great week up ahead,
Speaker 1: Take care of yourself and as always, take care of
Speaker 1: each other. Bye bye, see you,