Speaker 1: You've created everything, what's put a powerful being you are.
Speaker 1: You did these things, but now you're in a human body.
Speaker 2: You forget the power you have.
Speaker 3: What you do is what the whole universe is doing
Speaker 3: at the place you call here, and now you are
Speaker 3: something the whole universe is doing in the same way
Speaker 3: that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.
Speaker 4: Good doing.
Speaker 1: What Welcome to metamistics where you don't know what you
Speaker 1: don't know. My name is Jonathan, I'm Sean, and today
Speaker 1: we have an amazing guest that we are super excited
Speaker 1: for this conversation, Jamie Starwalker. If the name is not enough,
Speaker 1: wait till you hear what he's about to teach us
Speaker 1: a little bit about today. Welcome to the show, sir.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. And Shawnston, I'm so honored to
Speaker 5: be here. I think we're gonna have a good time tonight.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, dude, absolutely, we we've talked about this kind of
Speaker 2: stuff for a long time and we all, I think,
Speaker 2: deep down know that these types of things are possible,
Speaker 2: and so this is this is I'm really excited for
Speaker 2: this one, really excited. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: So and and actually leading up to this, what was
Speaker 1: the name of that show that we watched with Benedict Sean.
Speaker 2: Henry Sugar, Secret See Something, Henry Sugar. I forget the
Speaker 2: title of the movie, but oh my goodness, this is
Speaker 2: the same vibe.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that. It's a it's like the
Speaker 1: Secret Life of Henry Sugar or the Crazy Life of
Speaker 1: Henry Sugar or something, but basically it's, uh, it's Benedict
Speaker 1: Cumberbatch or Bach or Harry say his name, and and
Speaker 1: he's it's a oh damn it who writes those books?
Speaker 1: The same writer of Matilda and the same writer of
Speaker 1: Roald Dahl. There it is.
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and all that yeah, yes, yes, And so
Speaker 1: he wrote this this story and then it just got
Speaker 1: turned into like like a half a movie kind of deal.
Speaker 1: I think it was like forty or fifty minutes longer.
Speaker 2: It's actually called the Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar.
Speaker 1: There it is. And he like stumbles across this book
Speaker 1: and learns how to see without his eyes, which is
Speaker 1: you know, me and Sean watch that together and we
Speaker 1: were both like, oh my god, if this is real,
Speaker 1: and like we're open minded to the possibility of it
Speaker 1: being real. And then we see you and all these
Speaker 1: other people that are like, you know, seeing without their
Speaker 1: eyes and they keep their eyes covered and they're still
Speaker 1: able to read things and they're still able to see things.
Speaker 1: And and of course with the Internet, you got to
Speaker 1: take it with a grain of salt, especially with AI,
Speaker 1: and there's you know, movie magic all the time. So
Speaker 1: I mean, just so we can clarify, like the scene
Speaker 1: with the out without eyes, that is not bullshit, right.
Speaker 5: It is not It's not bullshit. It's real awesome. Jit
Speaker 5: Hyot's been so like suppressed. You know, you can come
Speaker 5: to your own conclusions. I don't know, but it's real.
Speaker 1: That is so crazy, dude, So just out of curiosity,
Speaker 1: like how did you stumble into this? You know, because
Speaker 1: you you're like teaching people how to do it right
Speaker 1: or teaching kids how to do.
Speaker 5: It teaching kids. Yeah, so there is so First off,
Speaker 5: I'll just say that I went on a we'll call
Speaker 5: it a trip, an exploration if you. And during that trip,
Speaker 5: my eyes were closed. I was in a liminal space,
Speaker 5: a different kind of level of consciousness.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: I was lying down on a table and I could
Speaker 5: see my hands with my eyes closed, and I was like,
Speaker 5: whoa this is so cool man, Like I could see
Speaker 5: like blue outlines on my hands and like this is
Speaker 5: this is really trippy. So then I saw a documentary
Speaker 5: on Guya. If you're familiar with Kaya, oh yeah, it's
Speaker 5: called Superhuman. Have you seen that?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 5: And like I think it's episode.
Speaker 2: Three or four.
Speaker 5: They have these kids running around outside with blindfolds on.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 5: The woman who kind of came up with that modality
Speaker 5: and there's many her name is Nicola Farmer, and I
Speaker 5: reached out to her and I was like, hey, hey,
Speaker 5: I have four kids. I would love to teach them this,
Speaker 5: and she's like, yeah, take my course. So I took
Speaker 5: the course and the rest is history. Like they can
Speaker 5: do it. It's pretty pretty freaking wild. The first time
Speaker 5: it happened, I was I was floored. I was like,
Speaker 5: because you don't you don't always believe it, even though
Speaker 5: like inside your heart you're like I think I really,
Speaker 5: I'm like ninety nine percent truth, sure that this is true, right,
Speaker 5: And then you're like that one percent is like well,
Speaker 5: let's let's still investigate, let's still check it out, because
Speaker 5: maybe I'm kind of falling prey to whatever it is.
Speaker 5: But no, it's it's real, and the first time you
Speaker 5: see it happen with a kid, you're like and you
Speaker 5: just want to get so excited and everything, but you
Speaker 5: have to be really calm on them and be super chill.
Speaker 5: But anyway, it's it's pretty wild, dude.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, because you see videos and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and I think that there was like an
Speaker 1: academy or something that I like a video or something
Speaker 1: that I saw where they're just like throwing down the
Speaker 1: colors red, green, blue, yellow, and I'm like their eyes
Speaker 1: are covered. And then you look in the comments and
Speaker 1: they're like, clearly this was edited. Clearly, this isn't real.
Speaker 1: Nobody can do it. And I'm like, there's a piece
Speaker 1: of me that like wants to really or wanted to
Speaker 1: really believe that it was real. So I started going
Speaker 1: down to a little rabbit hole. And then there was
Speaker 1: this woman who I kept on seeing and she was
Speaker 1: like really amazing at it, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: and then she just recently went on the Danny Jones Show,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, I know Danny Jones isn't
Speaker 1: full of shit, right, and so I and she was
Speaker 1: able to, you know, kind of repeat it over there
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, putting triple layer things across
Speaker 1: her eyes, and I was like, how is this possible?
Speaker 1: So just out a curio whenever you were seeing it?
Speaker 1: Is it like you see it in your mind? Is
Speaker 1: it almost like a third eye sense?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What is really like? Can you explain the experience?
Speaker 5: So you're talking about Dollia, I think, right, Dolliah Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: she's I've met her and seen her in person a
Speaker 5: couple of times.
Speaker 1: See awesome.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and she's like totally chill about it, which
Speaker 5: is really cool. So so like here's here's a mind sight, right,
Speaker 5: which is our mindfold, okay, and this is generally what
Speaker 5: we use. I put these things in there, like these
Speaker 5: are you know, the the pads that you that people
Speaker 5: would use to wipe makeup off or something like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: And it's just extra blockage right in case there's absolutely
Speaker 5: any light. So the goal is to get your eyes
Speaker 5: surrounded by as little light as possible because it can
Speaker 5: throw you off, right, which is why a lot of
Speaker 5: people may not come to it naturally. It's not a
Speaker 5: natural state necessarily because we're so inundated with photons and
Speaker 5: light all the time. Even when we're sleeping right right,
Speaker 5: Actually the blue light exactly, and if you do.
Speaker 2: A little bit of light leakage or whatever, then you're
Speaker 2: going to just activate your your left brain and it's
Speaker 2: just going to throw you off anyway.
Speaker 5: Bingo exactly, Sean. So the goal is to really train
Speaker 5: your mind to be used to complete total darkness. And
Speaker 5: in general, the traditional way of teaching it is you
Speaker 5: keep your eyes closed underneath the mindfold, right, just for
Speaker 5: extra But what they've found recently is when they're teaching
Speaker 5: adults is that actually it works better with your eyes
Speaker 5: open but under this. And to answer your question, Jonathan,
Speaker 5: when you see so for me, I'm not that great
Speaker 5: at this yet. I cannot read yet. But what I
Speaker 5: see is it looks like an outline. It looks like,
Speaker 5: so I do energy. You work reiki teacher, light worker,
Speaker 5: that's kind of my that's my work, right, So when
Speaker 5: I work on people, I do see energy like coming
Speaker 5: out of people's hands or their field or their orc
Speaker 5: field and stuff like that. So it looks like that.
Speaker 5: It looks like an outline of a person, or an
Speaker 5: outline of my hand, or an outline of the computer.
Speaker 1: So like an aura kind of situation For.
Speaker 5: Me, it does, yeah, but it's it's but it's tighter.
Speaker 5: It's like, actually your.
Speaker 1: Outline m hm, how is that possible?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, and and we're you know, we're no stranger
Speaker 1: to talking about energy and you know all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff of course, but like how does it equate
Speaker 1: in your mind? Like whenever you actually see even just
Speaker 1: the outline that you're able to see, Like when you
Speaker 1: when you first saw that, did you almost like shit
Speaker 1: your pants? Like what was going on with did you
Speaker 1: almost like? How am I the one that is seeing this?
Speaker 1: Like what was going through your mind?
Speaker 5: So what was going through my mind was WHOA? Is
Speaker 5: this real? Like you always question yourself is this a fluke?
Speaker 5: You know why you try? I'm a very left brain person, ironically,
Speaker 5: and so I'm always trying to figure stuff out. How
Speaker 5: does it work? What's going on? You know, what part
Speaker 5: of the brain is doing this? Is this a hallucination?
Speaker 5: And so I constantly try to prove myself either right
Speaker 5: or wrong. I'm not vested in one way or the other.
Speaker 5: I just want to find out what the truth is yea.
Speaker 5: And the key to that, right with the scientific method
Speaker 5: as well, is repetition. Is if you can keep repeating
Speaker 5: the outcome. And so the first couple of times I
Speaker 5: ripped it off and I just checked and I put
Speaker 5: it on and it would go away, and then I'd
Speaker 5: have to just get into meditation again and like meditate
Speaker 5: for a while, try it again, and it would work
Speaker 5: and then go away. And then the more that you
Speaker 5: do it, the better that you get at it, if
Speaker 5: that makes sense. So you can see a progress. And again,
Speaker 5: I'm still on this journey, but I'm just I really
Speaker 5: just want to share that it's possible, and the kids
Speaker 5: get it super fast so they can read whenever.
Speaker 1: You're so like, all right, so you're saying that you
Speaker 1: have to get into somewhat of a meditative state in
Speaker 1: order to be able to see this, And it seems
Speaker 1: like like Dahlia, at least from the short clips that
Speaker 1: I was seeing, she almost can almost go without it, right,
Speaker 1: like it is just a natural state. She just knows it.
Speaker 2: Built that muscle up already. Man, you know exactly she
Speaker 2: put in her reps too.
Speaker 5: She didn't skip blindfold day. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 5: That is crazy.
Speaker 1: I wonder why this would be something because surely people
Speaker 1: nowadays are not the first people to ever discover something
Speaker 1: like this, Like, I'm sure that people dating back to
Speaker 1: history no matter I mean, however far back you want
Speaker 1: to go, as far as the ancients or whatever. Surely
Speaker 1: somebody figured this out. And it almost seems like at
Speaker 1: least for me, you know, I have a conspiracy podcast,
Speaker 1: so I'm always in the con bi racy brain. Why
Speaker 1: are they hiding it? Why is it not out there?
Speaker 1: Why is it not taking schools? You think that it
Speaker 1: would be pretty pertinent information for especially for kids, like
Speaker 1: especially the kids that are like scared of the dark.
Speaker 1: You think they would be a pretty powerful tool, right.
Speaker 5: So, Jonathan, that's like an amazing point because one of
Speaker 5: the main goals of teaching the kids this is not
Speaker 5: to see with their eyes closed. It's to actually connect
Speaker 5: their left and right brain hemispheres to work together better.
Speaker 5: So the tagline is like creatively logical and logically creative,
Speaker 5: so being able to kind of combine those two together
Speaker 5: and it works, yes, exactly, And it works really well
Speaker 5: for kids on the spectrum or for with ADHD or
Speaker 5: you know, anywhere on that field. Right, It calms them down,
Speaker 5: they can focus better, they're generally better at Like my
Speaker 5: son was having so much trouble reading. He's six, right,
Speaker 5: and when he started with this, he had no interest
Speaker 5: in it. He didn't want to do it. He just
Speaker 5: did not like it just didn't work for him. And
Speaker 5: then when he's using the blindfold and he's identifying letters
Speaker 5: on a book and the pictures and the colors and
Speaker 5: the shapes, and we can go into what he sees
Speaker 5: because he's on a different level. But you know, he
Speaker 5: really started to get interested in it, and he really
Speaker 5: he gained more confidence. And the confidence is like kind
Speaker 5: of the magic sauce here, because that's what you're building.
Speaker 5: You're basically telling these kids you can do this, you
Speaker 5: can do this, that you don't ever talk to them negatively,
Speaker 5: even if they mess up or they don't do it,
Speaker 5: or they misidentify the color or whatever it is. You
Speaker 5: just keep giving them positive reinforcement and you're literally training
Speaker 5: their brain that they can literally do whatever they want.
Speaker 5: They can do anything, and it gives them such great confidence.
Speaker 1: Dude, I mean to And that's kind of the weird
Speaker 1: thing that goes on with a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's almost like you have to believe to see it
Speaker 1: rather than see to believe it. You know, and and
Speaker 1: maybe that is just part of the meditation experience altogether.
Speaker 1: You know, most people, they some people have like crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy experiences under you know, deep meditation. I mean you
Speaker 1: think about the Gurus, Saguru, I think meditated for like
Speaker 1: twenty straight days or something crazy like that, right, And
Speaker 1: people talk about like seeing these light beings or seeing
Speaker 1: these you know, whatever you know God that you you know,
Speaker 1: apply to right, Like, it's always something crazy that people
Speaker 1: see whenever they're deeply in that meditative state. And I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, look, if we're if we're you know,
Speaker 1: temporarily human but always a soul, shouldn't we be trying
Speaker 1: to connect with more of that soul part than this
Speaker 1: human part anyway? And it seems like seeing without your
Speaker 1: eyes would be right up that alley.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, you're absolutely right. We you know, we're in
Speaker 5: this three dimensional whatever you want to call it, matrix
Speaker 5: or whatnot, and we're limited, like what we to be.
Speaker 5: Our life is basically limited to our senses, right, That's it,
Speaker 5: and that's all we we have to figure stuff out here.
Speaker 5: And so if and then well let's change the variables,
Speaker 5: let's give you another sense. And then it's like whoa, Okay,
Speaker 5: your ability to understand creation, the universe, whatever you want
Speaker 5: to call it, has just increased by an order of magnitude. Right,
Speaker 5: So yeah, you're right, Like a lot of indigenous peoples
Speaker 5: they can do this. This is part of their culture.
Speaker 5: It's like we've rediscovered it, right, but it's just we've
Speaker 5: put it into context in our current flavor of culture. Right.
Speaker 1: Would you say that this is like a spiritual thing
Speaker 1: or is it like like, is it something that can
Speaker 1: be explained explained away via science?
Speaker 2: So that's a great question too.
Speaker 5: So if you look at there's three kind of main
Speaker 5: schools for adults for this, Okay. So there's Vibravision, there's
Speaker 5: the Monroe Institute in in Virginia, right, and then there's
Speaker 5: the one that Dahlia went to, which is vwe Vision
Speaker 5: without Eyes. Okay. So those three take a very scientific
Speaker 5: approach to it. They're trying to basically say, your brain
Speaker 5: can see, can perceive things using We're not one hundred
Speaker 5: percent sure what it's doing, but it can perceive things
Speaker 5: outside of your eyes, and we're just training that to work.
Speaker 5: And the more that we do it, the higher your
Speaker 5: percentage of like you know, you go beyond that statistical
Speaker 5: anomaly of being able to guess what's there and actually
Speaker 5: have a higher accuracy. That's all they're going for.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I was kind of curious if it was
Speaker 1: almost like, because you hear the Buddhists and the Hindus
Speaker 1: talk about cities achieving these like superhuman powers that they
Speaker 1: call cities on the way toward enlightenment, right, And I
Speaker 1: almost wonder is it something like that or is it
Speaker 1: more is it something else, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because I don't think that a city or a superpower
Speaker 1: and be explained away via science, right, Like, maybe it
Speaker 1: can be. I mean, it's maybe it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a God of the Gaps kind of situation going on there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's man, that is so fascinating, And and
Speaker 1: just to hear you talk about it, dude, that gets
Speaker 1: me really really wanting to do it, because it's one
Speaker 1: thing to see somebody talking about it on the internet,
Speaker 1: and I know that there are gonna be people that
Speaker 1: are listening to the show that are like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Jonathan and John they're just open minded, and so maybe
Speaker 1: they're you know, maybe they're kind of just playing to it.
Speaker 1: But I do want to say to all of the
Speaker 1: listeners out there, like I we're not playing along with
Speaker 1: anything like your I believe what you're saying, and so
Speaker 1: much so that you're like you're even teaching your kids
Speaker 1: how to do it, and and so you're saying that
Speaker 1: your kids are even gaining a lot of confidence from
Speaker 1: it as well.
Speaker 5: Right, And the way that the kids are trained is
Speaker 5: a little different than adults because, like you said earlier,
Speaker 5: belief is everything. And even in the energy work that
Speaker 5: I do, the number one thing that we have to
Speaker 5: clear from people are limiting beliefs, right for money, for love,
Speaker 5: for just being able to function, it's all. It's all beliefs.
Speaker 5: It's just crap programming that we've received either genetically, culturally, you.
Speaker 2: Know what have you?
Speaker 5: Right, these kids don't have that burden mm hmm, right, right,
Speaker 5: So it's so much easier to get to them and
Speaker 5: to get them to open up and they get excited
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 2: It's like a game to them.
Speaker 5: And so when that happens, when you've got that, when
Speaker 5: you've gamified it and there they've they've bought into it,
Speaker 5: then you've got them, like within three sessions usually they're
Speaker 5: going to start seeing.
Speaker 2: I think the spiritual I find that very fascinating, you know,
Speaker 2: how how you were saying as far as you know,
Speaker 2: teaching the kids is so much easier, you know, and
Speaker 2: then for adults, it's almost like you have to break
Speaker 2: down so many barriers just to get to the point of, Okay,
Speaker 2: I believe that I'm that I can do this. Let
Speaker 2: me go ahead and give it a shot, you know.
Speaker 2: And like that that negative speak you were talking, not
Speaker 2: negative speak, but the the skeptic speak that you were
Speaker 2: even speaking about yourself. You know, even though you already
Speaker 2: experienced it, you were still trying to explain it the way.
Speaker 2: And I think we all do this with our own
Speaker 2: mystical type experiences, and so I find it. I just
Speaker 2: find it fascinating that you know, you have to break
Speaker 2: so much down just to start to do it. But
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you a question as far as
Speaker 2: what's actually happening, And of course maybe you don't have
Speaker 2: the answer, but in your mind, how you see it working.
Speaker 2: Is it that you are picking up on energy on
Speaker 2: more like a raiky type of level, or is it
Speaker 2: your consciousness outside of you? There's that's a great question.
Speaker 2: So there's different theories behind it. So with vibra vision,
Speaker 2: their theory is that you are feeling the vibration of
Speaker 2: the color or whatever is around you, whether it's a
Speaker 2: pillar or that you have to run through, you know,
Speaker 2: because they do have physical activities that they put these
Speaker 2: people through. Right.
Speaker 5: But the way that I've seen it work with the kids,
Speaker 5: and from my understanding, is that it's basically like an
Speaker 5: out of body experience, but you're just like this much
Speaker 5: out of body, right, because one of the things that
Speaker 5: we do is when the kids are like, let's say
Speaker 5: that they've got their blindfold on, right, so if the
Speaker 5: book is like, I'll just put it on. So like
Speaker 5: let's say the book is like right in front of
Speaker 5: them like this, right, So they might be looking here,
Speaker 5: like they might be looking up, but they can still
Speaker 5: see the book. And so you have to have them orient.
Speaker 5: You have to go through these exercises to kind of
Speaker 5: orient your vision and then they can start to see like, okay,
Speaker 5: so I'm seeing my hand here, so that's good. So
Speaker 5: you start to see in front of you. You basically
Speaker 5: have to retrain how the eyes are working or how
Speaker 5: whatever you're picking up, how it's working. Because basically it's
Speaker 5: like the energetic version of yourself or your eyes is
Speaker 5: like right here, like right in front of where your
Speaker 5: eyes actually are. And what happens with the kids is
Speaker 5: that eventually they start to have out of body experiences
Speaker 5: and so they'll be able to have three hundred I
Speaker 5: have had this experience too, where you have three hundred
Speaker 5: and sixty degree view you can see everything around you,
Speaker 5: and it's kind of weird perceiving that. Or they can
Speaker 5: they can astral travel or go somewhere else with their vision,
Speaker 5: so like, so I think that it's basically like you're
Speaker 5: inducing an out of body experience, is what my understanding is.
Speaker 5: It's just more limited.
Speaker 2: So I'm guessing you probably have a lot of experiences
Speaker 2: right before bed, like as you're trying to fall asleep.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had experiences where just in the middle
Speaker 2: of trying to fall asleep, you can just see your
Speaker 2: bedroom with your eyes closed, Yes, because I feel like
Speaker 2: I've had those experiences. But that one percent in me
Speaker 2: is like trying to talk it away, like maybe I'm
Speaker 2: almost asleep and I'm not fully aware that my eyelids
Speaker 2: are open ever so slightly, and I am in fact
Speaker 2: seeing the room you know, and so yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: pretty interesting. So there's a chance that I can do
Speaker 2: this is what I'm saying. Oh yeah, because I need
Speaker 2: to be Billy Madison in the back of this classroom,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, And you know, I was just curious. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this, like and just trying to put
Speaker 1: myself there for a second. So and I know, and actually,
Speaker 1: in knowing that we were going to do this show
Speaker 1: this evening last night, I was like, let me just
Speaker 1: try and see. Let me try and mess around a
Speaker 1: little bit. And I didn't have a blindfold or anything,
Speaker 1: but I just took like a beanie and double wrapped it,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of around my eyes. And I remember
Speaker 1: thinking like, am I guessing what I'm seeing to try
Speaker 1: and almost like trick it kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know the landscape, especially if it's like in
Speaker 1: your own home, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 1: then it becomes almost a thought in my mind that
Speaker 1: was like, all right, do I just remember that being
Speaker 1: there or am I like almost seeing it? You know?
Speaker 1: Do you ever get in your own way like that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I was actually doing it yesterday. I
Speaker 5: was walking upstairs and I had the blindfold on just
Speaker 5: to you know, just as part of the training, and
Speaker 5: you're you're kind of like, okay, well is my brain
Speaker 5: My left brain's like, okay, remember that there's the landing
Speaker 5: is here, and remember that there's a left turn here
Speaker 5: and you have to overcome that. So that's a really
Speaker 5: good point. But with the kids, we use books like
Speaker 5: that they've never seen.
Speaker 1: Hmm okay, woweah, that makes sense. So I've got like
Speaker 1: just show them like Shakespeare or some shit.
Speaker 5: They're like, I don't know exactly, Yeah, why are they
Speaker 5: talking like this? They love the Bible. It's really weird
Speaker 5: and I'm just kidding, but they you know, we get
Speaker 5: all these kids books. They they've never seen them. And
Speaker 5: I know my oldest daughter when she did it, I
Speaker 5: think it was the third time she had never seen
Speaker 5: this book. And she was getting We start off with colors, right,
Speaker 5: tell me this color and then point to the color
Speaker 5: and tell me what it is. And then point to
Speaker 5: a shape, tell me what it is. So she started
Speaker 5: reading the title. I was like, oh crap, okay, all right,
Speaker 5: all right, read the title all right, and then tell
Speaker 5: me who is the author and who is it? Illustrated
Speaker 5: by and she read it and it was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5: But the sad part about that story is that her
Speaker 5: mom doesn't believe that it's true. And so she went
Speaker 5: home to her mom and said, hey, I did this
Speaker 5: at daddy's house. I could read the book with my
Speaker 5: blindfold on. She said, no, you did it.
Speaker 2: Oh the first wall being layered in.
Speaker 1: Just prove it. That's all you got to do at
Speaker 1: that point, right.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, Jonathan, that's exactly what I told her
Speaker 5: to do. And when she came back for the next session,
Speaker 5: she couldn't do it again. Oh yeah, So we had
Speaker 5: to work with her more and she's she's better at
Speaker 5: it again, but she's still she's not reading anymore. We'll
Speaker 5: get her back. Oh, but it's just it's so that's
Speaker 5: how powerful it is, especially if coming from parent.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm sure it's and I'm somebody you know my
Speaker 1: kids are you know, split households too, and there's confront
Speaker 1: conflicting ideologies about certain things. So I know how much
Speaker 1: of a pain that can be. But man, that's really unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Do you think that, and not to you know, guess
Speaker 1: or whatever, but do you think that most people that
Speaker 1: don't believe in this think that this is like devil
Speaker 1: work or it's just money or like like magic kind
Speaker 1: of stuff that's not real, or what do you think
Speaker 1: is really going on with that?
Speaker 5: It's that's a fair question. Thankfully I haven't been dealing
Speaker 5: I mean usually if they people want to do it,
Speaker 5: they already know about it. They saw the documentary. They
Speaker 5: think it's cool, and they want to help their kids, right,
Speaker 5: And a lot of these parents are desperate because their
Speaker 5: kids are on the spectrum or there's something going on,
Speaker 5: they're having trouble at school, et cetera, et cetera, So
Speaker 5: they're ready for anything. They don't care. They're like, if
Speaker 5: it works, bring it on, right. But I'm sure there
Speaker 5: are people who think that it's weird, but you know whatever,
Speaker 5: I guess thankfully I haven't had to deal with that, right, Hey,
Speaker 5: more for everybody.
Speaker 2: Else, you know at all.
Speaker 5: So I mean the proofs in the pudding, right, like
Speaker 5: the kids can see or they can't.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. It's I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: but but just out of curiosity. Whenever you first started,
Speaker 1: like how long did it take? Like how many times
Speaker 1: did you have to practice? How many hours did you
Speaker 1: have to put in before you started seeing some kind
Speaker 1: of progress.
Speaker 5: M So I got you know, I had the unfair
Speaker 5: jump start, right. I think I did see this, Like
Speaker 5: you know, as a kid, a lot of times we
Speaker 5: do have these abilities that get kind of thrown under
Speaker 5: the bus. People don't accept them, or our parents really
Speaker 5: don't know how to deal with them. So I do
Speaker 5: remember like astral traveling and seeing stuff as a kid,
Speaker 5: But as an adult I had that experience with you know,
Speaker 5: the God particle if you're familiar with that, which will
Speaker 5: which woke up some stuff and I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: this is That's when I started seeing my hands and
Speaker 5: the room a little bit. And so I just kind
Speaker 5: of tried to remember that feeling and so get into
Speaker 5: a very meditative state. And to answer your question about
Speaker 5: the time, I think the first time I did it,
Speaker 5: I meditated for like an hour m h and really
Speaker 5: just focused. And the the thing that they try to
Speaker 5: do is not only build coherence between the left and
Speaker 5: the right sides of the brain in the physical body,
Speaker 5: but build coherence between the heart chakra and the third
Speaker 5: eye chakra. So one of the things that you could do,
Speaker 5: and I encourage anyone to try this if they want
Speaker 5: is when you're meditating, visualize like an infinity symbol going
Speaker 5: from the heart up to the head and.
Speaker 1: Back down, looping them in together.
Speaker 5: Yes, in training them bringing coherence to both for those chakras,
Speaker 5: and that helped a lot and a lot of people
Speaker 5: on TikTok who saw that video have said that they've
Speaker 5: had some experience after that. They said they could start
Speaker 5: seeing outlines or like colors or things like that.
Speaker 1: So given away secret sauce over here, bro, I like it.
Speaker 2: I know what I'll be visualizing this meditation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want to get you anything, you know,
Speaker 5: it's not cool.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: So whenever you were doing that the first time, did
Speaker 1: you have the mindfold on or you just eyes closed.
Speaker 2: Or or what?
Speaker 5: I got a mindfold pretty early on, and I would
Speaker 5: try to use that. Oh and I did. I did
Speaker 5: find Jonathan that if I kept my eyes open under
Speaker 5: the blindfold, that it was easier to get started.
Speaker 2: Was that like something to do with like activating your
Speaker 2: your visual cortex and then that was helping your your
Speaker 2: brain kind of work with that or what do you
Speaker 2: think is going on with that?
Speaker 1: Could be a subject just thing of just accepting like,
Speaker 1: all right, my eyes.
Speaker 5: Are yeah, I think you're You're both right. I'm not
Speaker 5: one hundred percent sure, to be honest with you, but
Speaker 5: it does seem like your brain knows, oh, when eyes
Speaker 5: are open, I can see right, mm hmm. And so
Speaker 5: you're just kind of turning that program on right, And
Speaker 5: so it's possible into your eye lids closed obviously, but
Speaker 5: just for me at least starting out, it's easier. And
Speaker 5: the training stuff that's coming out for adults that's not
Speaker 5: out yet, that will be out it teaches that adults
Speaker 5: have an easier time with their eyes open under the blindfold.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, almost like symbolically at that point, huh.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean yeah, it's like telling your brain you're
Speaker 2: ready to see, you know. I mean that makes that
Speaker 2: makes sense to me. See And at this point, like
Speaker 2: all of the things that we've experienced, I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: need to know why it works. I really don't. I
Speaker 2: just need to know that it does. And hearing someone
Speaker 2: like you speak is already going to just rewire my
Speaker 2: brain to accept the fact that this is real. And
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna be honest, I feel like that's
Speaker 2: probably all I'm gonna need you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be walking around the house pitch black and
Speaker 2: being like, oh I got this. Okay, dude. You know
Speaker 2: what's funny is is I think I know what you're
Speaker 2: gonna say.
Speaker 1: So it was like maybe last year sometime, me and
Speaker 1: Sean we did a psychedelic trip together and uh, and
Speaker 1: I was just laying there on the couch. He was
Speaker 1: chilling on the recliner. He had his big dog coming late.
Speaker 2: With me and all.
Speaker 1: It was fun. But so we're sitting there and I
Speaker 1: got up and I was like, dude, I think I
Speaker 1: can see without my eyes. And I just got up
Speaker 1: and I started walking around and I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I really feel like I can do this. And of
Speaker 1: course I was stumbling into everything because hey, that's your
Speaker 1: mind on drugs, I guess. But but it's not I
Speaker 1: want to say that.
Speaker 2: But think about that though, just because you were already
Speaker 2: kind of released from the notion that you can't do that,
Speaker 2: you know on four Raco. Yeah, instance, it's like those
Speaker 2: barriers were just kind of wiped wiped out because that's
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you can do it.
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like, you know, because you feel
Speaker 1: like all of the restrictions are totally gone. Whenever you know,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned the God particle earlier, Rick Strausman, I
Speaker 1: love it or any other I mean, I imagine most psychedelics
Speaker 1: would probably give you that kind of that feeling or
Speaker 1: that that nosis almost that you can do it because
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you do mushrooms and you see
Speaker 1: everything as much more vibrant colors and there's so much
Speaker 1: more of the color spectrum that you have access to now,
Speaker 1: and and you can almost see things breathing and pulsating
Speaker 1: and all this sudden you know, next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you're going up and having a conversation with a tree
Speaker 1: as if it's your old buddy from college. You know,
Speaker 1: like crazy things happened, but and it's not crazy, it's
Speaker 1: only And this is something that we've covered, like we
Speaker 1: went in depth on trying to understand what was going
Speaker 1: on at the the Imperial College London when they were
Speaker 1: doing the DMTX studies. And you know, one of the
Speaker 1: things that they found which we found like most striking
Speaker 1: was that the filter is absolutely removed and I think
Speaker 1: it's called the default mode network is completely removed from
Speaker 1: your mind right and and that's what allows you to
Speaker 1: see almost, if not everything right. And so, and I
Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting because it's almost to say
Speaker 1: that it's more of a trip to not be hallucinating
Speaker 1: than it is to hallucinate, because the hallucination allows you
Speaker 1: to see more, whereas whenever you're not hallucinating, the filter's on,
Speaker 1: you're seeing less. So I would say, if you're getting
Speaker 1: less information, that's almost like you're kind of tripping right
Speaker 1: now if you think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's a great way to look at it.
Speaker 5: That's perfect, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 1: And so that's why I'm just so fascinating with this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And that's the crazy thing. You know,
Speaker 1: if you if you were somebody who who meditates regularly,
Speaker 1: or if you've done psychedelics a few times, or you know,
Speaker 1: if you've had a past life regression or anything like that,
Speaker 1: you've had any kind of energy work done, you've talked
Speaker 1: to a psychic, you've gotten a tarot card read and
Speaker 1: read to you. These are all things that like happen
Speaker 1: that you don't know exactly why they happened or how
Speaker 1: they happen. It's just more so you're experiencing it, and
Speaker 1: you know that it's not bullshit, you know, it's you
Speaker 1: can't really put words to some of these things. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, just the fact that you're able to to
Speaker 1: learn how to see without your eyes is I'm I'm
Speaker 1: already a believer, you know, like I mean, especially like
Speaker 1: you cemented it in my mind right because I don't
Speaker 1: think that you're, you know, out here trying to grift
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I believe you. I mean, I
Speaker 1: believe most of the other people. Now, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like I'm the only The only blocking that goes on
Speaker 1: is people's own limiting beliefs, you know, And that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Jimmie was just saying, as far as you know, when
Speaker 2: somebody tells you you can't do that, right, it was
Speaker 2: almost like like for his kid, an instant stoppage, a
Speaker 2: blockage of that ability. You know, now as an adult,
Speaker 2: imagine all of the negative speak we do to ourselves,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's not only the
Speaker 2: outside world that you're trying to U shut shut down
Speaker 2: and say no, no, I'm not gonna listen to what you're saying,
Speaker 2: I can do this. But you're also listening to yourself
Speaker 2: and you've got to stop those repeated you know, negative speak.
Speaker 2: So I mean that's I don't even want to skip
Speaker 2: over that. I feel like that's that's a huge point, you.
Speaker 1: Know, really yeah, just as far as being able to
Speaker 1: get out of your own way, like you don't. And
Speaker 1: that's what's awesome about it is that you're not learning something,
Speaker 1: you're just unlearning something. And then you say it like
Speaker 1: it's a deconstruction kind of thing, which I love, and
Speaker 1: that makes the most amount of sense because you don't
Speaker 1: have to drink the kool aid. You don't have to believe,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to have I'm not even
Speaker 1: going to go religious here, but like you don't have
Speaker 1: to have all of those things in order to be
Speaker 1: able to do this. It's more of just kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know, taking off the old skin, so to
Speaker 1: say it's natural.
Speaker 2: You know, this isn't something supernatural or something too crazy.
Speaker 2: This is probably just part of us, I think, So
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I do have a question though, for you, Jamie. So
Speaker 1: you mentioned about how there was periods of time where
Speaker 1: you were able to see like three sixty all the
Speaker 1: way around you, and I find that so fascinating and
Speaker 1: whenever you're in that zone, especially anybody that's ever done psychedelics,
Speaker 1: you know that there's a lot more to this reality
Speaker 1: than meets the eye, right, do you like, do you
Speaker 1: think that that is? And I don't know if this
Speaker 1: even necessarily connects with what we're talking about, but do
Speaker 1: you think that that is kind of the nature of
Speaker 1: what we are when we're not humans? Like that we
Speaker 1: have the ability to be outside of time, to be
Speaker 1: outside of space, to perceive almost all, if not all, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think that that's kind of what we are?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: I think you know, I've seen some of your shows
Speaker 5: where you interview NDEs and things like that, and and
Speaker 5: the experiences is really similar to that or to out
Speaker 5: of body experiences.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: I also do QHHT. So a lot of my clients
Speaker 5: who would do the past life regressions the way that
Speaker 5: they see things, and and again you're turning off that
Speaker 5: default network mode, right, so that they can start to
Speaker 5: bring things through, like it's absolutely nuts, what's coming through? Right,
Speaker 5: That's how they see things. I forgot you were a
Speaker 5: k we say it's nuts, but the opposite of nuts.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, we're QHHT brothers then brother Oh yeah, awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I learned it back whenever COVID with all the shutdown
Speaker 1: and we everybody was getting the stimulus checks. I was like,
Speaker 1: I see people just blowing through that over the casino.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually put it towards something, and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: went through all. I did the level one course and
Speaker 1: then I heard that like you know, level two and three,
Speaker 1: you know you can do it, And that's what dolor
Speaker 1: would say that it's like her bag of tricks and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I kind of felt like that
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily need it because I caught on to
Speaker 1: it really quick. And then we actually talked. We've had
Speaker 1: Candice kraw Goldman on the show a couple of times,
Speaker 1: which is anybody doesn't know that that was like Dolores
Speaker 1: Cannon's like best friend, if not one of her really
Speaker 1: close friends, right, and she goes, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: not even trying to put anybody down or say anything
Speaker 1: with this, but she goes, you know, Dolores never really
Speaker 1: wanted to make it three levels, like she wanted to
Speaker 1: give it all in one thing. She wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: spread it out over three different courses and three different
Speaker 1: payments and all this other stuff. So whenever I heard
Speaker 1: her say that, I was like, okay, so I'm good then,
Speaker 1: and she was like, she's like, you're good. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll take it.
Speaker 5: You know, the level two really just helps, like if
Speaker 5: people are stuck somewhere. But and honestly, everything that you
Speaker 5: really need to know is in level one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I felt like. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just like cause I did the online course.
Speaker 1: It was during COVID. I don't think they were even
Speaker 1: doing anything in person at that point anyway. But I
Speaker 1: did meet up with a couple of women who also
Speaker 1: had just completed their schooling as well, and this Polish
Speaker 1: woman and another girl and do we were just practicing
Speaker 1: on each other. I was putting her to sleep, she
Speaker 1: was putting her to sleep. I was being put to
Speaker 1: sleep by both of them. Then we had one of
Speaker 1: my we had one of my good friends who I
Speaker 1: would just bring over as a guinea pig and we
Speaker 1: would all hypnotize them and it was great. And then
Speaker 1: you know, of course, like and I don't know if
Speaker 1: they still do it anymore, but whenever I was first
Speaker 1: starting out, they said, you have to do at least
Speaker 1: a hundred sessions before you can even go on to
Speaker 1: the next level or you know, anything like that. And
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, I'm gonna do one
Speaker 1: hundred and because I was really motivated. This is what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do for the rest of my life and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I think by this point I've
Speaker 1: done probably anywhere between two and three hundred sessions.
Speaker 5: Now, awesome, Jonathan, that's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I love it. And actually I just hearted
Speaker 1: is so, you know, I'm kind of in the middle
Speaker 1: of a move. I moved out to Arizona temporarily and
Speaker 1: I was trying to get all my stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: all my ducks in a row and everything like that.
Speaker 1: And so I told everybody that once I got out
Speaker 1: here that I was going to start doing sessions again.
Speaker 1: And people have been flooding the email lately, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, people are still excited about this, because there's
Speaker 1: a really a lot to gain from it. You know,
Speaker 1: if if for nothing else, if you just look at
Speaker 1: your past life regression as just a fun ride in
Speaker 1: your mind, the questions that you ask your higher self,
Speaker 1: that's the meat and the potatoes.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 1: Truth, you know, And it's crazy because people go through
Speaker 1: their lives and they just wonder, like, what is the answer?
Speaker 1: I don't know? And it's like you actually do though,
Speaker 1: you know. That's the beautiful thing about it is that
Speaker 1: you actually do know the answer to a lot of
Speaker 1: these things. And sometimes if if you like if I
Speaker 1: don't know, some people will get to the point where
Speaker 1: they'll ask that question and the answer will come back
Speaker 1: She's not ready for this answer yet, or some thing
Speaker 1: like that. I'm like, all right, well that's all you then,
Speaker 1: you know, so.
Speaker 2: Cool when that happens, man, you know, and we always
Speaker 2: say like when when you're ready, the teacher will appear.
Speaker 2: It's like there was there was layers and levels to
Speaker 2: the journey that this person hasn't been through yet.
Speaker 1: It's like not yet, you know, makes sense, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: it's really beneficial. At least I've been hypnotized twice. I've
Speaker 1: hypnotized Sean twice and so much fun.
Speaker 2: Wait what.
Speaker 1: I actually I even hypnotized my co host on on
Speaker 1: the On My Conspiracy podcast, and he's a Christian. He
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in reincarnation or past lives or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, look, I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: believe in it anyway, so you know, if I hypnotize
Speaker 1: you and you see something, then then you can make
Speaker 1: up your mind about it, right, And what you know,
Speaker 1: he had a whole past life progression as a Muslim,
Speaker 1: by the way, which was extra warious. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and it was it was awesome, you know, and we
Speaker 1: we asked the questions, you know, for the Higher self,
Speaker 1: and dude, you wouldn't believe how easy those answers were coming.
Speaker 1: And it was shocking to even to me, like having
Speaker 1: done a couple hundred sessions already up to this point,
Speaker 1: but to see a non believer, you know, like witness it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I know, like I didn't need
Speaker 1: confirmation to know that this was real, but I got
Speaker 1: it now.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just so great cool, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: It's amazing the things that can happen when you get
Speaker 2: out of your own way.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: There's just levels to it. You know. It's like, what
Speaker 2: else is there? We got people seeing without their eyes, Like,
Speaker 2: what else is that? I'm sure there's more we just
Speaker 2: haven't re remembered yet.
Speaker 5: We've got the telekinesis, We've got the remote view, and
Speaker 5: we've got all this other stuff right.
Speaker 2: Right, and all of those things I feel like requires
Speaker 2: some amount of belief and or at the very least
Speaker 2: a limited amount of disbelief. You know. That's really it.
Speaker 1: Right, It's more like a you know, whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to this kind of stuff, in my mind, it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily believing, it's just not not believing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that as the way I look
Speaker 1: at it. But I do want to ask, so, with
Speaker 1: this kind of ability that we're talking about here is
Speaker 1: it in your opinion? Do you think it's kind of
Speaker 1: like a use it or lose it kind of thing?
Speaker 1: Like what happens if if you were to go six
Speaker 1: months without ever trying it again? Would it be kind
Speaker 1: of a process to get back up to where you're
Speaker 1: at right now?
Speaker 5: Great question. So, the way that we do it with
Speaker 5: the kids is that it has to be done every week,
Speaker 5: like around the same time max of two week break
Speaker 5: between class between sessions, right, because it does unless it's
Speaker 5: for example, if we take Dahlia for example, right, she
Speaker 5: doesn't need any any meditation, she doesn't need any activation.
Speaker 5: She can just do it right. So you get to
Speaker 5: a point that you don't need that anymore, or you
Speaker 5: don't need any reinforcement, but you do have to practice
Speaker 5: after that point. So the kids are supposed to go home,
Speaker 5: they're supposed to practice. They get ten to twelve sessions,
Speaker 5: which generally solidifies that ability. Some of them do lose
Speaker 5: it when they get older if they don't practice, but
Speaker 5: from my understanding, you can get it back, but it
Speaker 5: just takes more work. It just you've got to retrain
Speaker 5: the brain a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like learning a language almost.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great example.
Speaker 2: So when you get them when they're when they're young
Speaker 2: like that, and the brain is still developing, it's almost
Speaker 2: like it's just creating those little pockets within the brain
Speaker 2: as it's developing, you know what I mean, As opposed
Speaker 2: to the adult it's already kind of set in their ways,
Speaker 2: and the brain's already fully developed and all of the
Speaker 2: walls have been put up, and yeah, that's that's wild.
Speaker 5: Right, Like a bilingual kid versus a monolingual kid, you know,
Speaker 5: m right, it's always there.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, dude, So you know, I asked a question earlier,
Speaker 1: like what do you what do you think we are
Speaker 1: when we're not human because because of the ability that
Speaker 1: you're able to see three six, almost as if you're
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it, but maybe almost like
Speaker 1: omnipresent at that point, right, It almost probably feels like that.
Speaker 1: And the reason I asked that is because like, do
Speaker 1: you and maybe this is like, oh, super weird question,
Speaker 1: but that's what these shows are for. Do you think
Speaker 1: that this is a human ability or is it like
Speaker 1: a conscious ability, like a consciousness ability? Do you do
Speaker 1: you understand what the distinction I'm trying to make.
Speaker 5: I do so I from my understanding, and that's just
Speaker 5: my perspective, right, is that when we are out of body,
Speaker 5: that's our soul, that's our spirit, however you want to
Speaker 5: define that, And that's a natural ability of the soul,
Speaker 5: of the of the spirit to see things and experience
Speaker 5: things like that. Right, So when we ask for travel,
Speaker 5: when we have these NDEs or these opes, right, that's
Speaker 5: how we see things like very often people would describe
Speaker 5: seeing things from a third perspective or seeing I think,
Speaker 5: you know, angles that just wouldn't be possible from the
Speaker 5: planes of our eyes, right, So I think that is
Speaker 5: the natural state. And as as sorry as humans, we're
Speaker 5: you know, we're kind of stuck in this box if
Speaker 5: you think about it like this, this is just this,
Speaker 5: this a meat bag, right that our soul is in.
Speaker 5: And so we're part of the fun I guess, or
Speaker 5: the adventure of being a human and deciding to come
Speaker 5: back down here, deciding to take a human life and
Speaker 5: all the I mean become a human and and have
Speaker 5: a human life is overcoming that and understanding like, no
Speaker 5: matter what, we're still source, we're still God, we're still divine,
Speaker 5: and maybe we put those real blocks in on purpose.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but it does seem like it's part
Speaker 5: of our journey of rediscovery if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, I imagine. So, I mean, if you
Speaker 2: think about it, let's say you are an all knowing
Speaker 2: being and it's like what else is there? Then you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and so you then would want
Speaker 2: to put up some type of h misremembering or losing
Speaker 2: all of what you know that that way you can
Speaker 2: recognize it, you know what I mean? Recognize recognize. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's interesting.
Speaker 5: Well, it's like if you play a video game, right,
Speaker 5: like if you played like Grand Theft Auto with the
Speaker 5: cheat codes on, it's not nearly as fun. Like maybe
Speaker 5: you'll have you like you have fun for like a
Speaker 5: couple hours. You'll do some crazy stuff, you know, you'll
Speaker 5: do some absolutely nuts things. But then after a while
Speaker 5: it gets old because it's too easy. But if you
Speaker 5: go through, if you play a game and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm going to get this skill, I'm gonna get that,
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna level up, I'm gonna do this, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna do that, that's a challenge. It's more interesting. And
Speaker 5: you know, I think that's kind of why we forget
Speaker 5: our past lives. That's kind of why we don't come
Speaker 5: in with all these abilities activated, because we wanted the challenge.
Speaker 5: And again my perspective, but.
Speaker 2: Right, no, that makes total sense. Whenever I've played Grand
Speaker 2: Theft Auto and like you said, you were doing all
Speaker 2: the crazy things. You were blowing things up out of
Speaker 2: the sky and cops are chased you whatever, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you hit this little phase where
Speaker 2: you're just like, you know what, I'm gonna follow all
Speaker 2: the rules, just like you're you're stopping at the red light,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Because you want you want
Speaker 2: to change it up, you know, so I feel like
Speaker 2: it's just in our nature to experience contrast.
Speaker 5: Right, I don't know why Grand Theft Auto is such
Speaker 5: a great example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely makes sense. Definitely made sense.
Speaker 1: So speaking of Grand Theft Auto and I, well, I imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, kids aren't necessarily playing it. But let's just
Speaker 1: say another video game, right is it? How far can
Speaker 1: we push this?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 1: For example, kids, you know, they they take it on
Speaker 1: pretty easy. Do you think that a kid would be
Speaker 1: able to sit there and play a video game without
Speaker 1: being able to see with their eyeballs?
Speaker 5: They do. I haven't had any of my kids do that,
Speaker 5: or any of the kids that I've trained you that yet,
Speaker 5: But there are videos of kids playing board games, playing chess,
Speaker 5: playing video games, watching TV, all of that with the
Speaker 5: blindfold on. It's no different. Like you get to a
Speaker 5: point where there is you know, you're you're kind of
Speaker 5: trying to reach parody with your eyes at first, and
Speaker 5: then once you get to that, then you just go
Speaker 5: further than that, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You imagine they're seeing a decent amount of detail. Then
Speaker 2: you know, if they're able to pick up enough detail
Speaker 2: to make out the differences within with on the screen,
Speaker 2: you know, between different characters and everything else you know.
Speaker 2: And then I imagine once you are able to see
Speaker 2: a certain amount to where you can at least make
Speaker 2: things out, then your brain probably just fills in the
Speaker 2: gaps and then you're probably seeing more than what you
Speaker 2: would imagine.
Speaker 5: I'm not. Yeah, probably, And if you've seen the videos too,
Speaker 5: or where they deal with adults and children who are
Speaker 5: visually impaired, who are mind or who have become blind
Speaker 5: through something happening or really bad cataracts or something, and
Speaker 5: they can see totally normally with the blindfold on. Wow,
Speaker 5: when they can and they can read, they have she's reading,
Speaker 5: They give her something to read, and she's reading. And
Speaker 5: and so the issue with that is from my teacher Nicola,
Speaker 5: She's like, it works, but you have to be prepared
Speaker 5: because sometimes it's overwhelming for their brain because they've never
Speaker 5: used that part similar yeah, or they're just too emotional,
Speaker 5: or it takes a long time for them to be
Speaker 5: okay with it because it's it's something so foreign that
Speaker 5: it takes a lot to wrap your head around.
Speaker 2: And that's for children that had been able to see
Speaker 2: and then lost their vision and then.
Speaker 5: That's more for people who have never seen.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, wow, that was my next.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you can teach blind people how to do this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I have not, but it's it's possible. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Wow, unreal And imagine. I mean, blind people are just
Speaker 1: walking around in the dark all the time, and it's
Speaker 1: almost a wonder how they haven't naturally figured it out
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, like I wonder.
Speaker 2: Sure some probably do and they're just not fully aware
Speaker 2: of it. You know, when they hear a sound and
Speaker 2: then they just know kind of where that thing is.
Speaker 2: And I bet you that there is something like that
Speaker 2: going on, like a situation. Yeah, like they're just de
Speaker 2: fully away exactly. Yeah, he's like the most legit Marvel superhero.
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorites too. Yeah, I love him.
Speaker 1: He could totally be a real superhero honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He plays it really well too. So just out of curiosity,
Speaker 1: what all right, if we're let's really take it to
Speaker 1: the crazy level here, So what is the Is there
Speaker 1: a different level of depth perception from your vantage point
Speaker 1: or are you seeing it as if you are using
Speaker 1: your physical lives? So, in other words, would you be
Speaker 1: able to like let's say, like you wear glasses. Are
Speaker 1: those prescription glasses or like blue light the prescription Okay,
Speaker 1: so your your vision is not the best, right if
Speaker 1: you're wearing glasses, and I imagine if you took your
Speaker 1: glasses off, you wouldn't be able to see a billboard
Speaker 1: that's one hundred yards away, right, But if you were
Speaker 1: able to put this blindfold on, I mean, would you
Speaker 1: then be able to read something that is one hundred
Speaker 1: yards away?
Speaker 5: You could, yeah, read. And when I have had really
Speaker 5: good vision with the blindfold on, it's almost like you're
Speaker 5: seeing it differently. It's it's it feels like it's not
Speaker 5: being processed. It's just raw visual data. And if you
Speaker 5: want it clear, it's clear. You know everything. It's almost
Speaker 5: like there's no depth of field. It's like everything is clear.
Speaker 5: And so the clearest I've ever seen, because I've probably
Speaker 5: needed glasses my whole life maybe and never had them
Speaker 5: until I was like thirty, but the clearest that I
Speaker 5: remember seeing has been with the blindfold on, if that
Speaker 5: makes sense, Like I didn't you know, these are to
Speaker 5: correct for really bad astigmatisms in both eyes and has
Speaker 5: a little bit of correction, so seeing far away as
Speaker 5: a joke. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1: So it's better than your actual vision totally. That is wild.
Speaker 1: So I don't know now my mind is going to
Speaker 1: this other place. So is it kind of like a strain?
Speaker 1: Is it difficult to put yourself into that mentality, you know,
Speaker 1: to be able to see beyond the blindfold?
Speaker 5: Yes? At first, So the first couple of times that
Speaker 5: you do it, you just you kind of just want
Speaker 5: to be like maybe after fifteen twenty minutes, you just
Speaker 5: want to be done because it's a lot and there
Speaker 5: is some level of interface with the physical body, because
Speaker 5: the physical body does get tired, and especially with the kids,
Speaker 5: like each session is forty five minutes to an hour,
Speaker 5: they're so tired afterward, right and their are their eyes
Speaker 5: tear like they just get because their eyes are attempting
Speaker 5: to see and there's a confusion because they're getting visual
Speaker 5: data but their eyes aren't seeing it. And so there's
Speaker 5: a lot of physiological stuff things that happen during the session.
Speaker 5: It gets itchy, it tears up, there's they feel pressure
Speaker 5: here or here, and so by the time that they're
Speaker 5: done this session, they're wiped. They need an apple or
Speaker 5: just a break. If that makes sense. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: No, it does make sense because, like you said, the
Speaker 2: eyes are ready to see, you know, but then the
Speaker 2: information that the eyes are expecting it's not getting, and
Speaker 2: so it's trying to compensate.
Speaker 5: Almost right, And everybody's perception is a little bit different.
Speaker 5: Jonathan and Sean like. So, for example, one thing that
Speaker 5: was kind of funny was one of the things I
Speaker 5: like to do with the kids is I say, hey,
Speaker 5: here's your mindfuld. But it's so boring, right, So I
Speaker 5: tell them put stickers on it and decorate it, put
Speaker 5: your name on it, you know. So my son he
Speaker 5: puts to all over. He's got like all these different
Speaker 5: cool things. So he puts it on and he's like,
Speaker 5: he's like, Daddy, I don't like this one. I'm like,
Speaker 5: why what was going on? I keep seeing the stickers.
Speaker 1: On the outside of the blindfold.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's like right there, right, No other kid
Speaker 5: has that I've known have has done that, but everybody's
Speaker 5: a little different in how they they do it. So
Speaker 5: I gave him mind with no stickers, and when his
Speaker 5: eyes are open in the blindfold, he can see colors,
Speaker 5: he can see shapes, he can read, he can't really
Speaker 5: read great, but he can see the letters. He can
Speaker 5: tell me what the words maybe are, and he can
Speaker 5: I'll change the color of the of the paper, or
Speaker 5: I'll change the color of the light, and he'll immediately say, oh,
Speaker 5: that's purple, that's blue, that's right. Sometimes he mixes up
Speaker 5: orange and red, but he's still you know whatever. That's amazing.
Speaker 5: Now when he closes his eyes, something else happens entirely
Speaker 5: where he he goes into a different dimension or something,
Speaker 5: because he's like, he's like, Daddy, there's there's a fairy
Speaker 5: behind your backpack over there, and he's pointing to my
Speaker 5: backpack in the corner, and he's like he's like looking around,
Speaker 5: and he's like going up to it and like looking
Speaker 5: around and walking in the room blind fly and and
Speaker 5: like trying to interact with his fairy and where like
Speaker 5: one time there were these beings and he said he
Speaker 5: saw being made of stars and it freaked him out.
Speaker 5: He ripped his mask off and started crying. And so
Speaker 5: I know he wasn't faking it, right, I mean, I
Speaker 5: know when my kids are my god, so it's so
Speaker 5: freaked out.
Speaker 2: So the just going back to the fairy thing, like
Speaker 2: this thing held like space within three D, so he
Speaker 2: was able to like walk up to it and kind
Speaker 2: of work his way around it. Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And he was saying at one point that there
Speaker 5: were these little creatures that they looked very cute, but
Speaker 5: they were kept putting stuff on his book. And so
Speaker 5: he's holding this book trying to read it, and he's
Speaker 5: just like, keep shaking it, keep shaking the book, Like
Speaker 5: what are you doing? Like are you okay? Why you
Speaker 5: keep shaking the book? And he said, oh, these little
Speaker 5: guys keep putting stuff on my book because they think
Speaker 5: it's funny. And he's just like shait.
Speaker 2: Oh my.
Speaker 5: But the star being was freaked him out, and so
Speaker 5: he didn't want to do it. He stopped doing it
Speaker 5: for a couple of weeks. And so I talked to
Speaker 5: some people and they're like, oh, that is his verse,
Speaker 5: that is him, that is a version of his soul
Speaker 5: that he's seeing. Oh, And so I talked to him
Speaker 5: about that, because he'll see low level frequency stuff too,
Speaker 5: just at nighttime, not in my place, but in other places.
Speaker 5: So he's got some type of vision going on, but
Speaker 5: when the blindfolds on, he sees beautiful things. And once
Speaker 5: we talked about it that he doesn't have to be scared,
Speaker 5: and sometimes he does want to rip it off because
Speaker 5: he's freaked out. But it's all like positive stuff. It's
Speaker 5: higher frequency stuff that he's seeing. It's pretty wild.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's freaking awesome. And then people like to do
Speaker 2: four aco to experience some ship like this. But the
Speaker 2: kids just like throwing a blindfold and he's off.
Speaker 5: And then he's running around the room in the blindfold
Speaker 5: chasing these things whatever, like the fairies of like these
Speaker 5: little beings or these It's.
Speaker 2: Hilarious the fact that he can run around like that
Speaker 2: because in those videos that I've seen too, these kids
Speaker 2: are throwing a ball back and forth and they're they're
Speaker 2: moving around and they're they're literally just operating within a
Speaker 2: physical you know, space and not not worried about running
Speaker 2: into something like that's just I mean, they're literally seeing
Speaker 2: without their eyes. Man.
Speaker 5: Oh, I wanted to tell you that. The So when
Speaker 5: you start, so anyone who's watching this or if you
Speaker 5: guys want to try this, but when you start, and
Speaker 5: sometimes you're going to see one little dot of light
Speaker 5: and it could be like sometimes it's over here or this,
Speaker 5: So sometimes you might see videos of people like kind
Speaker 5: of looking like this or like moving their head or
Speaker 5: like Ray Charles. Yeah, because there's like one point it's
Speaker 5: like a little hole that they can see through it,
Speaker 5: and so it's not the whole vision yet. And a
Speaker 5: lot of the kids do this too, and that this
Speaker 5: happened to me as well, where you kind of have
Speaker 5: to focus on the on these little spots of light
Speaker 5: and then allow them to open and open and open,
Speaker 5: and maybe your field of view is only going to
Speaker 5: be like this big, so you kind of have to
Speaker 5: look around almost like you're looking through a scope or something, right,
Speaker 5: And the more you practice them, we have to open, open, open, open, open,
Speaker 5: until you get your full range of view. So if
Speaker 5: you see a little pinprick of light, a pinpoint of light,
Speaker 5: that's perfect. That's how you start. And you just keep
Speaker 5: looking for them and focusing on that.
Speaker 1: What do you mean allow it to open? What would
Speaker 1: you do in your mind to allow that hole to
Speaker 1: get bigger?
Speaker 5: So what you would do is you would focus on
Speaker 5: that hole. So let's say it's like right here, right
Speaker 5: on the mask, huh. So I would keep trying to
Speaker 5: look at something through that hole until I could figure
Speaker 5: out until I could see a color or a shape,
Speaker 5: because first you're only going to see color, right, there's
Speaker 5: only like enough data coming through there that it would
Speaker 5: be color usually, And then you just keep keep practice.
Speaker 5: The more you practice, the more color that you see,
Speaker 5: the more you kind of entrain yourself to be okay
Speaker 5: with it, to accept that information, and then it just
Speaker 5: does start opening and getting bigger just by focusing on it. Okay,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, focusing on it with
Speaker 5: your vision and then focusing on it with your mind
Speaker 5: as well, with your you know, like you're focusing on
Speaker 5: something in.
Speaker 2: Meditation, mm hmm, yeah, because in meditation, I know you
Speaker 2: try that. Yeah, in meditation. I know for a fact
Speaker 2: that I've had experiences where it looks like just something
Speaker 2: is like you'll see like in not an or, but
Speaker 2: like a blob of some shifting color and it'll kind
Speaker 2: of like disappear and kind of zoom out into thing,
Speaker 2: and then it would kind of come back. And so
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if that's kind of kind of part of
Speaker 2: it or something to do with that.
Speaker 5: Maybe probably, Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: So U all right, So let's say I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you an example right here. So let's say, all right,
Speaker 1: I have this uh this way and dyer book shout out,
Speaker 1: and let's say I turned it around. If are there
Speaker 1: instances of people being able to see through the book
Speaker 1: to see the title that is not facing them.
Speaker 5: Yes, so the kids can generally, they can read through
Speaker 5: the book. And often sometimes when in the early sessions
Speaker 5: when you're training them, you're gonna say, point to a
Speaker 5: color or tell me a shape that you see and
Speaker 5: you look at the book and and you never tell
Speaker 5: them this that they're that there's not that color. But
Speaker 5: what you know, they'll say, oh, I see purple, and
Speaker 5: I see green, and I see red, and I see
Speaker 5: an elephant or something. And you're like, okay, that's great,
Speaker 5: good job. You turn the page and then there there's
Speaker 5: the elephant and the purple. So and they'll tell you
Speaker 5: they're like, oh yeah, and then then in the next
Speaker 5: page it's going to have this and this and that,
Speaker 5: Like you can again go beyond normal sight.
Speaker 1: So if you were to take this to the extreme level,
Speaker 1: could you hypothetically read an entire book without opening it,
Speaker 1: like page after page? Do you think that? I mean?
Speaker 1: Is that too much? Is that a step too far?
Speaker 1: Are there limitations on it, you think.
Speaker 5: Like that, I know that kids have done that with
Speaker 5: children's books, so I would imagine that an adult who
Speaker 5: was proficient at at that could do it.
Speaker 2: Wow. Real, see this, This leads me to believe that
Speaker 2: you're just you're just riding the wave of consciousness that's
Speaker 2: just outside of you, you know, because I can understand
Speaker 2: if you're looking at something and you're kind of just
Speaker 2: picking up and you're seeing, you're seeing it. But to
Speaker 2: see something on the flip side, that's that that means
Speaker 2: you're kind of you're kind of everywhere.
Speaker 1: And you're not bending. You're not bending this spoon.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, exactly, dude.
Speaker 1: This is one of the coolest episodes we've ever had.
Speaker 1: Like the amount of wild atness that is going on
Speaker 1: right here. I love it. It only just makes me like
Speaker 1: want to do it even more. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to go get one of those mindfolds. How how
Speaker 1: much are those things on Amazon? Like twenty something bus something.
Speaker 5: Six hundred notes? So Amazon will rip you off big
Speaker 5: time because Amazon doesn't sell them. So just go to
Speaker 5: the mindfold website. If you buy a pack of ten,
Speaker 5: it's like or twelve. Actually, I don't know why. It's
Speaker 5: like eight dollars, but otherwise if you buy one, it's
Speaker 5: about twenty bucks.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna buy We're gonna buy eight of them.
Speaker 2: Let's just let's just get eight of them. You know,
Speaker 2: we'll send a couple out to the one. You know,
Speaker 2: I've got a whole bunch.
Speaker 5: I'm happy to send you, guys, some that would really Yeah,
Speaker 5: here I address I'll mail to you guys.
Speaker 1: Would actually mean more coming from you.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely definitely. Thanks.
Speaker 5: I'll bless them with the sacred power of.
Speaker 2: Put it on, look through it real quick, and then
Speaker 2: you know, send it out.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'll tell you that's awesome. Like I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: addicted to this, like I can. I already a blindfold.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push it to the limits. You know, he's
Speaker 1: playing grand theft aut of.
Speaker 2: Just seeing you at a red light, just waiting for
Speaker 2: the light to change, just with your mindful Oh that's great.
Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah, yeah, why not you know, try and see
Speaker 1: how far you can push it. And that's that's such
Speaker 1: a crazy thing. And I would think that, man, if
Speaker 1: people would be able to actually learn how to do this,
Speaker 1: this ability and not even necessarily learn how to do it,
Speaker 1: but know for a fact that somebody that you trust
Speaker 1: is actually doing it and you see them doing it
Speaker 1: in front of you. Wouldn't that just make you question
Speaker 1: your entire damn reality. I Mean, everything you thought you
Speaker 1: knew is absolutely out the window now.
Speaker 2: I question it every day, dude. That's my favorite. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I have another video of Dahlia that I'm
Speaker 5: going to post probably tonight or tomorrow, but just just
Speaker 5: watching like she's such a pro at it. She doesn't
Speaker 5: need any of the meditation time, she doesn't need the activations.
Speaker 5: She can just it's just a natural part of her
Speaker 5: being a human, right right, It's integrated into her daily life.
Speaker 5: And imagine living like that, Like wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my first question when Jonathan was talking
Speaker 2: about her. Actually, I was like, well, did she have
Speaker 2: to like meditate? Do they have to like cut the
Speaker 2: podcast let her get into her mode and then she
Speaker 2: Cause I can see that that would be something you
Speaker 2: would have to do, you know, really meditate, really relaxed
Speaker 2: and kind of let go of the ego mind, you know,
Speaker 2: almost to really get into that ability. But yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's crazy to just kind of turn it on like
Speaker 2: a light switch. Yeah, that's a trip.
Speaker 1: Is there something like whenever you're getting ready to set
Speaker 1: yourself up for it? Like, do you have like a
Speaker 1: time I'm limited in your mind? You're like, all right,
Speaker 1: I've meditated for twenty minutes, now I can try. Or
Speaker 1: I've meditated for thirty minutes, now I can try. Is
Speaker 1: there something like that going on in your mind?
Speaker 5: So what I do is I'll start the meditation with
Speaker 5: the mindfold on, and when I start seeing, I start seeing,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense, Like, I'll just do my normal meditation.
Speaker 5: I'll visualize the activations and the coherence between the heart
Speaker 5: and the crown of the brow, chakras and the crown
Speaker 5: really and then as soon as I start to see,
Speaker 5: sometimes i'll see the pinhole and then I'll just kind
Speaker 5: of expand it, or I'll just usually in my room,
Speaker 5: my bedroom, I'll just see the outline. I'll see like
Speaker 5: the outline of the door and the walls and the
Speaker 5: ceiling light stuff like that. And I'm trying to go
Speaker 5: further than that obviously, but that's just you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: What do you think are the just on a personal level,
Speaker 1: what do you think are your limiting things that are
Speaker 1: going on there. I mean, is it kind of like
Speaker 1: a battle between the left brain and the right brain
Speaker 1: that's going on in your mind, Like whenever you get
Speaker 1: stuck and you're like, man, I know I can see
Speaker 1: more than this. There are other people I see kids
Speaker 1: doing it, like I need to try and tighten that
Speaker 1: vision up. Like what goes on in your mind? Like
Speaker 1: do you think that there are some kind of mental
Speaker 1: blockages somewhere for that or or what do you think
Speaker 1: is going on?
Speaker 5: I would have no doubt that there are blockages. I
Speaker 5: think part of my practice as an energy worker is
Speaker 5: to release blockages and limiting beliefs, right, detrimental beliefs. So
Speaker 5: I generally kind of tune in and say, okay, you know,
Speaker 5: is there any belief that's blocking me from seeing today?
Speaker 5: You know, do I need to release something? Or you
Speaker 5: can bring in a belief, You can download a belief
Speaker 5: like yes I can see without my eyes or I
Speaker 5: have complete vision. So that has helped a lot too.
Speaker 5: I think releasing those but I think it's just training
Speaker 5: my brain right now at this point, just getting it
Speaker 5: used to it, because we do like let's say, when
Speaker 5: you don't use your body and you at night when
Speaker 5: you leave your body or you go and astral travel,
Speaker 5: you just don't remember it, right because you're not necessarily
Speaker 5: using your brain, And so because the brain's more like
Speaker 5: a processor, and it helps us ground into this three D.
Speaker 5: And if so, this practice uses both so that we
Speaker 5: can use it in the three D, we can access it,
Speaker 5: we can remember what we're seeing and things like that.
Speaker 5: So that's really I think what my hurdle is. Maybe
Speaker 5: I'm wrong, Maybe that's also limiting belief, and I need
Speaker 5: to work through that. But that's kind of where I
Speaker 5: am right now.
Speaker 1: So is that like you think that that's actually and
Speaker 1: I'm very open minded to all this, but like whenever
Speaker 1: you go to go to sleep at night and you
Speaker 1: dream like and I've and we've heard you know, many
Speaker 1: people say this before, but just in your opinion, do
Speaker 1: you believe that every time you dream you are is
Speaker 1: it an astral travel? I mean, because there's sometimes where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sure I asked you traveled, like, I
Speaker 1: don't question it. I know that I went somewhere, I
Speaker 1: was talking to people I knew, like it was as
Speaker 1: real as real. You know, sometimes you get dreams like that,
Speaker 1: and then other times, especially like if you're watching a
Speaker 1: show or a movie or something like that. Well, for
Speaker 1: me anyway, like rate before I go to sleep, those
Speaker 1: characters that were in that movie appear in my dream.
Speaker 1: So then it's like, ah, maybe it is just my
Speaker 1: subconscious you know, Like what do you think about all that?
Speaker 5: I think? I think everything could be true at the
Speaker 5: same time. So we're processing data, right, we're also experiencing
Speaker 5: some type of energetic reality that may not have a
Speaker 5: visual that the brain is bringing things in as representation.
Speaker 5: So you know, a lot of I forget who said this,
Speaker 5: but like living on Earth in the three D is
Speaker 5: it's all representational, it's all symbolic. It's a symbolic experience.
Speaker 5: Everything is energy. It doesn't necessarily have a visual. So
Speaker 5: anything visual that we have is an interpretation of energy.
Speaker 5: And if that means that, like you know, like with
Speaker 5: the QHHT, some people might see scenes from a film
Speaker 5: or it might seem like a movie to them, and
Speaker 5: that's totally okay, right, because that's just how we're interpreting
Speaker 5: that energy, and that's all that that means, I think.
Speaker 1: You know, And that would have sounded crazy before, but
Speaker 1: a few months ago we had one of our our
Speaker 1: regular guests on the show Optimistic Banks and and he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he's somebody that kind of brought
Speaker 1: us the idea of like pantheism and panpsychism, and you know,
Speaker 1: I am everything, Everything is me. There's only one consciousness
Speaker 1: kind of thing, right, And whenever he did that, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, one thing that you can try is that
Speaker 1: people will try and you know they're trying to understand
Speaker 1: and interpret your dreams. Whenever you go to sleep at night,
Speaker 1: you know, and you wake up and what did that mean?
Speaker 1: My teeth? My teeth are falling out. And so then
Speaker 1: you interpret it in whatever the dream interpreter kind of
Speaker 1: way is. And he mentioned, he goes, you know, you
Speaker 1: can actually do that in reality too, like if something crazy,
Speaker 1: like something big or whatever happens to you and life,
Speaker 1: put it into a dream interpreter, or ask a dream interpreter.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's like dream interpreter ais now that actually
Speaker 1: do a pretty damn good job of it. And and
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, let me, let me put
Speaker 1: that to the test. And the first thing that happened
Speaker 1: that was like striking out of nowhere. I wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 1: What does this mean? Why do I deserve this kind
Speaker 1: of thing? Right, like not necessarily going into the poor
Speaker 1: me mentality, but fuck, why did I have to see that,
Speaker 1: you know, one of those things? And and I put
Speaker 1: it in the dream interpreter. Dude, it was spot on
Speaker 1: with what was going on in my life as to
Speaker 1: why that thing happened to me in real life. So
Speaker 1: even and whenever I saw that, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: all of this is a dream then, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's what it makes you think? Wow, so wild man.
Speaker 1: So and that's actually I like to think of this
Speaker 1: reality as a dream actually, like I mean, not necessarily
Speaker 1: a dream. Maybe it is kind of like a dream dream,
Speaker 1: but like you know, maybe there's just not a word
Speaker 1: for But I'm more and more every day I think
Speaker 1: we're coming to the you know, the point of understanding
Speaker 1: that this reality is a lot more malleable than what
Speaker 1: we once thought.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like we're you know, many people have said this,
Speaker 5: but it's we're a spiritual being having a physical experience,
Speaker 5: not a physical being having a spiritual experience. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you go when you go back to
Speaker 2: you know, the idea or the fact that we are
Speaker 2: really limited as far as what we can see. I
Speaker 2: think it's like point zero zero three percent of the
Speaker 2: light spectrum and everything else, and so and then it
Speaker 2: gets you to think like, oh, okay, so we're just
Speaker 2: in one little tiny sliver of of what it really
Speaker 2: all is, you know, when you look at it that way,
Speaker 2: and it's like oh, you know, and then you got
Speaker 2: people seeing without their eyes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And then it's like now what now? What now?
Speaker 1: And you kind of like glaze over the conversation even,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, people will say like, do
Speaker 1: you believe that the Earth is round? Or is it flat?
Speaker 1: And like, dude, it's both and neither. I think, like
Speaker 1: that's that's really it's whatever you think it is, you.
Speaker 5: Know, matter maybe in your reality it is, you know,
Speaker 5: it is one way or together.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm on board with that, you know, Like sure,
Speaker 2: I I think in my mind, in my world view,
Speaker 2: it's a sphere, you know what I mean, it's a
Speaker 2: it's a planet just like the other planets. You can
Speaker 2: look out and see. But that doesn't mean that everybody
Speaker 2: has to abide by my belief, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so that goes for everybody else in any regard
Speaker 2: anything you're talking about, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: And maybe in a different dimensional perception of the planet
Speaker 5: it is flat. Who knows, right, I don't know exactly.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I mean I don't plan on going up
Speaker 1: high enough to be able to find out personally, you know,
Speaker 1: it would be awesome. I'd be down with it, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Don't don't go too high because then you bump into
Speaker 2: the firmament, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, like the waters above and whatnot. Right, right, So, actually,
Speaker 1: I do want to play a couple of videos if
Speaker 1: you're okay with that of Dahlia to kind of show
Speaker 1: some new listeners. And I had a couple of them
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Speaker 1: free days in advance, you'll be able to slide into
Speaker 1: our dms and and you can join us every Wednesday
Speaker 1: night for the Wonder Wizday episodes. So if you want
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, bounce a couple of things off, obviously,
Speaker 1: we talk about a bunch of wild things over here,
Speaker 1: things that you're not necessarily going to be talking about
Speaker 1: at the dinner table. You're probably not gonna mention it
Speaker 1: to your parents or anything. God knows. You can't you know,
Speaker 1: talk to your grandparents about it, because they might be
Speaker 1: so stuck in their own ways and they're gonna think
Speaker 1: that you're crazy what you think you can see without
Speaker 1: your eyes?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 1: Right, who fed this kid drugs right, like, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so if you want to be
Speaker 1: met with open arms rather than judgment, then that that
Speaker 1: that would be the best place to go. So yeah,
Speaker 1: go check it out. But yeah, here we go. This
Speaker 1: is uh. I have two of them that I found
Speaker 1: very interesting. This is from the Danny Jones podcast. And
Speaker 1: so here we go.
Speaker 6: Let's see condition myself to not see with and I
Speaker 6: do that on purpose to make sure that it's totally
Speaker 6: covering my eyes. You could condition yourself to see through
Speaker 6: the patches too. Oh man, I hope I could do this,
Speaker 6: and hope I'm not gonna care right now. No, not
Speaker 6: right now. I hope I can. When I put on
Speaker 6: the blindfold.
Speaker 4: The blindfold helps. Huh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's see what happens. Okay, yeah, I can. It's
Speaker 6: halfway open, so I can. I can still see.
Speaker 4: You can still see?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can still see.
Speaker 4: Okay. How many fingers am I holding out?
Speaker 5: Four?
Speaker 4: How many fingers am I holding up? Now?
Speaker 6: It's one?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The windows are kind of small.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, you're right, Okay, I got I got a
Speaker 4: stock of books here, okay that you have not seen there.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna see it under the desk, come on.
Speaker 6: Open, oh open, yay, okay, all right, okay, hopefully I
Speaker 6: can see. Okay, let's do it. So this says area
Speaker 6: fifty one. It says, what is that uncensored?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: What did that say? Something?
Speaker 6: Top secret military base.
Speaker 4: Yep, that's right.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: So this one is windows open, says mother of God. Okay,
Speaker 6: it's starting open more. I'm starting to see on both
Speaker 6: sides now, yes, yes, yes, okay, perfect, yay. Condition myself
Speaker 6: to not see, and I do that on purpose, man.
Speaker 1: And that's just the beginning. And then there it goes
Speaker 1: even farther, dude, And this is the the part two
Speaker 1: of it where he's really.
Speaker 2: Talking about I'm sorry, she's talking about the window opening.
Speaker 2: It's like what Jamie was saying. It's like, oh she was,
Speaker 2: and she was almost doubting herself even knowing, like even
Speaker 2: her ability here. She was like questioning herself, you know.
Speaker 5: And the windows are like the little pinholes, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: all right, let's check out the second one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a weird word. So this might be h okay,
Speaker 4: this will test you.
Speaker 6: This one says Satan set to neaon okay, And that
Speaker 6: says chaos. Charles Manson if.
Speaker 1: You read it through your fingers.
Speaker 4: She said it before you is behind your head?
Speaker 2: Would you be able to see it right now?
Speaker 1: Not so good?
Speaker 6: I could see the like yeah, the wind, the back windows.
Speaker 6: I can see colors and shapes the best right now
Speaker 6: because I don't use them enough.
Speaker 4: This one is gonna be super easy for you.
Speaker 6: Okay, it says sell. It says uh shadow. Wait wait
Speaker 6: wait yeah shadow and cell shadow.
Speaker 4: So I don't know how the hell that just happened?
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait can I I could just tell you?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: Can I can I touch?
Speaker 1: Can she see this screen here?
Speaker 4: I got an idea. I bought this, So this is
Speaker 4: one I bought. I bought this one on on Amazon.
Speaker 4: So throw this one on top of it, so we
Speaker 4: know you didn't bring this one with you. I bought
Speaker 4: this one on Amazon.
Speaker 6: What are we talking about? Are you talking about another mask?
Speaker 4: Yeah? This is another mask? Yeah yeah, we gotta, you know,
Speaker 4: do everything we can to make sure that there's no
Speaker 4: funny business going on here, Dahlia. Try this, okay, right
Speaker 4: in front of you.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's better.
Speaker 4: It's upside down.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So I got this screen up here,
Speaker 1: and I'll just okay, he's gonna ten some words, he'll
Speaker 1: type something in.
Speaker 4: There's a screen to your right, here's a type yet.
Speaker 6: Okay, Hi Dahlia, my gosh, oh my god, big flower.
Speaker 6: Well all right, this one was pretty tight too. This
Speaker 6: one was like squeezing my head?
Speaker 5: Wow? And yeah, do you think I could be able
Speaker 5: to learn how to do that? Oh? Everybody can?
Speaker 4: How do I do it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 6: This the main the main secret that that I didn't
Speaker 6: realize until I went into the seminar. The main secret
Speaker 6: is light. So when you're first opening, like once, once
Speaker 6: you're open, so you nor how I said, I was
Speaker 6: doing a dark walk and I was walking in the
Speaker 6: dark all the time, and all I saw was like
Speaker 6: the outlines, which was cool, it was really awesome, but
Speaker 6: I was like, why can't I see colors and shapes
Speaker 6: and all that stuff? And so finally, once you put
Speaker 6: it so you'll see when we're kind of teaching it,
Speaker 6: you see that we put a flashlight in you, and
Speaker 6: that's what activates it. Or going outside, you know, you
Speaker 6: might need to be around people that can do it
Speaker 6: just to have the belief strong enough, but that's what
Speaker 6: activates it at first.
Speaker 2: Dude, all right, I'm a believer I'm saying, I'm on board.
Speaker 2: I'm on board. I'm gonna get my blindfold and our
Speaker 2: next few meditations. Dude, I'm just gonna be I'm putting
Speaker 2: the blindfold on for the meditations, you know, we get them.
Speaker 2: I think from now on, I'll just be using that.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the meta meditations, Jamie, whenever you're meditating and
Speaker 1: you're trying to get into that zone where you know
Speaker 1: that little window starts to appear, are you listening to
Speaker 1: meditation music? I never listened to any anything, just sitting
Speaker 1: in silence.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's just how. I not to say that,
Speaker 5: it's the only way, for sure, It's just how I
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if it would affect it at all,
Speaker 1: you know. And the only reason I ask is, you know,
Speaker 1: we we whenever we meditate, we typically listen to I mean,
Speaker 1: we listened to just about everything. We've listened to the
Speaker 1: Gateway tape, so listen to four hundred and thirty two herds.
Speaker 1: We listen to all the different you know, sofigio frequencies,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's a guided meditation. I just wonder if
Speaker 1: that that that frequency that is kind of surrounding the
Speaker 1: room or just in your headphones or whatever would affect
Speaker 1: what you're seeing in your vision at all.
Speaker 5: That's a great question. I don't know. I would experiment
Speaker 5: with that. I would see what works for you. But
Speaker 5: what Dahlias said about the light is very true. Like
Speaker 5: we we only train the kids during the day, and
Speaker 5: there has to be sunlight in the room. You can't
Speaker 5: have closed blinds. You have to have them face the sun.
Speaker 5: And then in the training, I also use like a
Speaker 5: super bright RGB light okay, and I can switch it
Speaker 5: with my phone, right so I'll just be switching it
Speaker 5: different colors and it's so bright, but you cannot see
Speaker 5: it through the you know, through the blindfold.
Speaker 2: But you will see I promise you.
Speaker 5: Like if you if you just meditate for like a
Speaker 5: couple of minutes before you put that blindfold on and
Speaker 5: you put the pads in there, just to be sure,
Speaker 5: you'll start to see color pretty fast.
Speaker 3: Does it.
Speaker 1: Does it almost feel like you're guessing when you first
Speaker 1: see it, No, like it's a you see it that
Speaker 1: with the colors.
Speaker 5: Yes, as she's saying, like the detail like she was saying,
Speaker 5: sometimes you see the outlines first, and then the light
Speaker 5: really starts to bring the color in and then when
Speaker 5: you combine those two, when you start to kind of
Speaker 5: your brain starts to put all the pieces together. That's
Speaker 5: when you can start seeing the detail and the reading
Speaker 5: the letters and things like that. But light is the
Speaker 5: fastest way to activate.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna get the light bulb next time
Speaker 2: you come over. Dude, we're doing.
Speaker 1: This, Yeah we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of us will be switching the light the
Speaker 2: color to the light. Oh yeah, we're doing it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's no reason not to try it, you know.
Speaker 1: And man, it's so so interesting, and I almost wonder,
Speaker 1: is this is this almost like training to go out
Speaker 1: of body?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Is this like the first step in trying to train
Speaker 1: to have an out of body experience or to ask
Speaker 1: or project?
Speaker 5: I think I think it is. I think it's not
Speaker 5: the only way, but I think that it is. A
Speaker 5: lot of people do take it to the next level.
Speaker 5: And the kids anyway, and they'll be they're able to
Speaker 5: like go somewhere else or remote view perfectly. Not like
Speaker 5: remote view like that you're maybe familiar with where they
Speaker 5: kind of get ideas and pictures and stuff, but remote
Speaker 5: view as if they are literally there right.
Speaker 1: Well, that brings up the thought. Then, So you had
Speaker 1: mentioned about how your son was seeing like these other beings, right,
Speaker 1: you know, whether they be little leprechauns or whatever they are. Right,
Speaker 1: I mean, if if you are able to see that,
Speaker 1: does that automatically allow you to hear the things that
Speaker 1: are being seen? Now, so let's say he he tries
Speaker 1: to conversate with one of these things, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: would it would he be able to hear them say
Speaker 1: something by being in this state.
Speaker 5: I've asked him that because when they were really annoying
Speaker 5: him and they just kept putting stuff on his books,
Speaker 5: I said, can you talk to them? I said, tell
Speaker 5: them to please stop, and he said, please stop, please
Speaker 5: stop playing with my book. I want to I want
Speaker 5: to read the book. And he said that they would
Speaker 5: just they would talk, but he couldn't hear them, and
Speaker 5: that they would just shake their head no and not
Speaker 5: laugh at him. Wow, But he couldn't hear the laughing.
Speaker 5: He said that he saw them laughing, and he saw
Speaker 5: them shake their head, but at least at this point
Speaker 5: he said that he cannot hear them.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 5: It's a different skill.
Speaker 1: I almost wonder now if you put some ear muffs
Speaker 1: on them, you know, like some whenever you go to
Speaker 1: like the Monster Truck Show. You know those those kind
Speaker 1: of noise reducing ear ear muffs. If you put that on,
Speaker 1: while you have that on, maybe does that open.
Speaker 2: Up this Ah, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: I love that. That's great progression there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not try it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And that's yeah, I'm definitely trying I'm trying it tonight. Well,
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely gonna try it. Whenever you send those
Speaker 1: those those face shields, man, that is going to be
Speaker 1: so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I can't. That'd be great, dude, That'd be
Speaker 2: so a whole box of them. So oh we appreciate it, man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually, uh, I'm going to be going over
Speaker 1: to Shawn's house here in like a month or maybe
Speaker 1: three weeks or something like that. Yeah, it'll be happening.
Speaker 1: It'll definitely going down.
Speaker 2: It's happening. We will be doing some weird shit like that.
Speaker 2: You know, that's just how we get down. Jonathan was
Speaker 2: walking around the house with his with his eyes closed already,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean before talking to you, and now
Speaker 2: now we just know we can do it. So now
Speaker 2: it's like there's no hurdle now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you heard Dalia say like she couldn't do
Speaker 5: it unless she was blindfolded, right, So some people they
Speaker 5: need that, yeah, blocking.
Speaker 2: And that scene. And that's exactly what I was thinking
Speaker 2: about when you said you were gonna send us some
Speaker 2: And just because you're sending them to us and we've
Speaker 2: already talked to you and we've already kind of have
Speaker 2: like this personal relationship just just talking to each other.
Speaker 2: Dad's going to give me some extra bit of belief
Speaker 2: as soon as the blindfold goes on, you know, because
Speaker 2: if you close your eyes, you're like, yeah, but that
Speaker 2: I'm not really doing it, you know. But if you
Speaker 2: have the actual blindfold, I feel like I feel like
Speaker 2: that adds a little something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd love to hear what you will do. I'm
Speaker 5: sure it'll be, Oh, we'll be talking about pretty fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be talking as we start seeing stuff. I
Speaker 2: will be trying to explain that to the best of
Speaker 2: my ability. But I feel like you did a great
Speaker 2: job explaining the little window and the little pinhole and
Speaker 2: how it kind of just opens up and I can
Speaker 2: imagine that already.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and you and you might have to go
Speaker 5: like this and like look around and kind of aim
Speaker 5: that pinhole wherever you need to look. And that's cool.
Speaker 1: That's how you start, right Yeah, dude, you know what,
Speaker 1: Now it's got me thinking, like, what what would happen
Speaker 1: if you were to go into a deprivation tank with it,
Speaker 1: you know, like to where you can't see, you can't hear,
Speaker 1: you can't feel. I mean, it is completely nothingness inside
Speaker 1: of those deprivation tanks. I haven't tried it yet.
Speaker 2: Now you're just going to be remote viewing, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: because then there's nothing to look at in front of you,
Speaker 2: and so you probably would be seeing something.
Speaker 1: That's dude, and just a way and just go in
Speaker 1: there and have a member of the staff like walk
Speaker 1: around and make little hand gestures or something like that
Speaker 1: and really freaking out and you can say, I can
Speaker 1: see you flipping me off, all right, I can see
Speaker 1: you just really fuck with her, you know.
Speaker 2: Right, So we need you to get on this. We
Speaker 2: need you to go and do some tests just see
Speaker 2: what you can make happen, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: no pressure, but I think you.
Speaker 5: Can do it. These are fun experiments like that. You
Speaker 5: get some good content with that stuff.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that would be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, Well, look, this was such a fascinating time.
Speaker 1: I mean very very literally eye opening and loved this
Speaker 1: conversation and would love to keep on following you on
Speaker 1: your journey, and you know, maybe after a little while,
Speaker 1: you know, we we get you to jump back on
Speaker 1: here and see if there's any more progress or any
Speaker 1: more stories or any more star ethereal beings that are
Speaker 1: being seen or something like that. Yeah, so look before
Speaker 1: we kind of roll out here, Sean, what is that card?
Speaker 2: Sir? Oh you know what, dude, I was so fascinated
Speaker 2: with the conversation. I didn't even didn't even pull one, dude.
Speaker 1: That's just how That's okay, Well.
Speaker 2: I'll start I'll start doing my things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, Jamie, would you mind telling everybody where
Speaker 1: they can find you and all of your content and everything, sir.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Thank you so much, Jonathan and Shawn, So you
Speaker 5: can find me on TikTok. A lot of my videos
Speaker 5: about this kind of stuff stuff are on TikTok, and
Speaker 5: that's at Jamie star Walker. And then also I do
Speaker 5: remote sessions and in person sessions. I've an office in
Speaker 5: the DC area, and you can find more information about
Speaker 5: that my bio what I do Prodigyhealing dot.
Speaker 1: Com Perfect Perfect and we're gonna put all that down
Speaker 1: in the show notes below. Anybody wants a hyperlink to
Speaker 1: just be able to go and find you and all
Speaker 1: your great work. Highly suggest everybody listening to go and
Speaker 1: check out at least go check out as TikTok because
Speaker 1: very very insightful kind of things. I love the conversation
Speaker 1: that you bring over there, and yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: what drew me to you. I was like, I, this
Speaker 1: guy seems very knowledgeable about what he's talking about, and
Speaker 1: this is something that we've been so fascinating for or
Speaker 1: fascinated for for quite some time. And so yeah, we
Speaker 1: really really appreciate you coming and sharing some of the
Speaker 1: mold and how to do it and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's been great my pleasure.
Speaker 5: I love your podcast and I'm a recent discover of it,
Speaker 5: but you guys do a great Jobank you for doing
Speaker 5: what you do.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. I appreciate that. Man, you know
Speaker 2: what I was thinking too, because we have a buddy
Speaker 2: of ours that his name is Nick, and he sees
Speaker 2: things in the skuys and and he talks about it
Speaker 2: and talks about the Pleadians and this and that. And
Speaker 2: after he came and visited us and he showed us,
Speaker 2: and once we started seeing it, now we Jonathan and
Speaker 2: I have both had our own experiences, you know, just
Speaker 2: by ourselves, you know, just because we've already had that experience.
Speaker 2: And so I feel like, Jamie, you're one of those
Speaker 2: people that's it's, you know, going to give us that
Speaker 2: belief that we can see without our eyes, you can out.
Speaker 2: I honestly believe.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, yeah, same here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and he was a you know, seeing like these
Speaker 1: wild orbs up in the sky and we would be
Speaker 1: so jealous and he would I mean, at first we
Speaker 1: thought that he was kind of full of shit. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be really with you, like, all right, you're seeing
Speaker 1: fucking Pleadians in the skyborough like they're communicating with you.
Speaker 1: You resiven downloads, all right, buddy. And you know, obviously
Speaker 1: we didn't you know, treat him disrespectfully. That was just
Speaker 1: kind of like what was going on on on the inside,
Speaker 1: you know. And then he comes and shows us in person.
Speaker 1: He came to show me and my my my other
Speaker 1: co host on my conspiracy show, and then actually had
Speaker 1: a work visit out in Shawn's area, went and showed
Speaker 1: Sean and so we both were able to see it.
Speaker 1: And literally ever since then, I mean, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you how many times I've seen these orb things in
Speaker 1: the sky that I swear I have never seen before
Speaker 1: I met Nick. It just doesn't I'm like, so, what's
Speaker 1: really going on. Is it like my consciousness has accepted
Speaker 1: that this is a possibility, or was I just not
Speaker 1: looking close enough? You know, Maybe it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of all of it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, see to say something about that, as far as
Speaker 2: you not seeing them before, Like I used to look
Speaker 2: all the time at the sky, like I was always
Speaker 2: you know, I worked at night, so even when I
Speaker 2: was driving sometimes where I'd be at work and just
Speaker 2: looking up having a smoke break or whatever. Dude, I
Speaker 2: looked at the sky so for so many years. And
Speaker 2: then right after, you know, having that experience, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's just different, dude. So I just feel
Speaker 2: like it's always been there. It's just like you said,
Speaker 2: your your belief and your ability to perceive it as
Speaker 2: just the window opened up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got the tarot card. If you guys
Speaker 2: are ready, let's go. And I think it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I got chills as soon as I saw it, and
Speaker 2: I think you'll know why. But it's the Magician with
Speaker 2: the with the infinity.
Speaker 5: iNFiNiT Get the.
Speaker 1: Fuck out of here, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah what, I got chills due, And it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I was literally wearing the Magician shirt earlier today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ship.
Speaker 1: So the Magician has the power of the four elements Earth, air, fire,
Speaker 1: and water. Combined with their connection to the divine, they
Speaker 1: were able to create unlimited abundance in the physical realm.
Speaker 1: Now that the fool has taken the leap into the unknown,
Speaker 1: he meets the Magician and learns that the power of
Speaker 1: the universe is within him to create his own reality.
Speaker 1: A robe figure stands with a wand in one hand
Speaker 1: pointed toward the sky and the other hand pointed at
Speaker 1: the ground. The infinity symbol and body posture represent the
Speaker 1: Magician's connection between the spiritual and physical realms. On the
Speaker 1: table are items representing the four elemental suits or is
Speaker 1: it suits? Yeah? The wand for fire, a pinnacle for earth,
Speaker 1: the sword for air, and the cup for water. These
Speaker 1: were the contents of the fool's bendle. By drawing upon
Speaker 1: the powers of the elements and the help of the divine,
Speaker 1: the magician serves as a conduit with the power to
Speaker 1: give form to the formless by transforming intentions into actions
Speaker 1: to achieve physical results. The flowers and vegetation symbolizes connection
Speaker 1: to nature and signify that purity and passion are both
Speaker 1: essential to the creation process. With divine assistance, all things
Speaker 1: are possible. Spiritual message behind it says you are coming
Speaker 1: into your power by working with nature and spirit. Drawing
Speaker 1: this card signifies deepening your spiritual practice and co creating
Speaker 1: your reality with the universe. Let's go perfect representation for
Speaker 1: this episode, right, It just happens every time. That's why
Speaker 1: we continue to do it. Hello, so so cool.
Speaker 2: As soon as I saw the infinity symbol, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: my God, of course, yeah, of course there's something.
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of the crazy thing about you know,
Speaker 1: diving into spirituality and consciousness and understanding about all this
Speaker 1: kind of magic. After a while, you know, you would think, ah,
Speaker 1: you know, like the crazy coincidental things. You would think
Speaker 1: that eventually you come you kind of become numb to
Speaker 1: it that it's not going to shock you anymore. But
Speaker 1: the beautiful thing about it is is that it's just
Speaker 1: as shocking every single synchronicity, every single coincidence or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it. And I think having you
Speaker 1: on the show and then getting the magician card, I
Speaker 1: mean still blows my mind. I mean it's just so
Speaker 1: so cold.
Speaker 5: That that was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well look, Jamie, this was so much fun. Thank
Speaker 1: you for coming to hang out with us. Like we said,
Speaker 1: we definitely want to do it again, and uh, we
Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming to hang out with us. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have any any parting words that
Speaker 1: you would like to give the listeners? Sir?
Speaker 5: It was so great to meet both of you. Thank
Speaker 5: you for also just being positive male role models on
Speaker 5: the internet. There's a lot of nonsense out there right now,
Speaker 5: so thank you both for really bringing like healed masculinity
Speaker 5: to the internet. We open mindedness, we tried. That's so huge.
Speaker 5: You don't even I mean you do realize, but like, wow,
Speaker 5: thank you, and it's just it's it's so great to
Speaker 5: just have a platform to talk about this with people
Speaker 5: who who are interested in it. So thank you again
Speaker 5: for that or it's just it's just been a pleasure.
Speaker 5: I'm really grateful to be with you both tonight. Thank you, of.
Speaker 2: Course the pleasure was ours man, Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for joining us. This was great, and I mean, what
Speaker 2: more can you ask for than the belief in knowing
Speaker 2: that this is something that we can we can all do,
Speaker 2: you know. And that's one of my favorite things. When
Speaker 2: you talk to somebody that can do something like this,
Speaker 2: you know, and then they say, oh, well, everyone can
Speaker 2: do it, it's like, oh, that's just my favorite I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. It's just like, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: well it's not like just certain special people that can
Speaker 2: do it. It's like, oh we can all do.
Speaker 1: This, everybody okay, and you know, and that's what the
Speaker 1: psychics tell us too, you know, everybody says that, and
Speaker 1: it's just so enlightening. So yeah, we really appreciate you, Jamie.
Speaker 1: But look, we're going to get over to the meditation.
Speaker 1: Anybody wants to be able to stick around for the meditation.
Speaker 1: That meditation is only found on Patreon. However, you know
Speaker 1: that if you keep on listening past you know, ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen seconds of the outro music, then you'll be
Speaker 1: able to hear what we experience during said meditation. I
Speaker 1: feel like this is probably a good one to tune into.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, if Jamie star Walker came
Speaker 1: here and he taught you anything, it's that you don't
Speaker 1: know what you don't know.
Speaker 2: But I'll just get we weird, stay weird.
Speaker 1: All right. That was a good one.
Speaker 2: That was great.
Speaker 1: Really tried to get started feeling No. I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, I really tried it, you know, focusing on
Speaker 1: trying to see if there was that little pin prick
Speaker 1: of light that was gonna that was gonna come in
Speaker 1: and then you know, kind of like I was alluding
Speaker 1: to earlier. It was almost like I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: all right, like I need my mind to stop trying
Speaker 1: to fill in the blanks for me. I just want
Speaker 1: to see it, right because and that's the thing about
Speaker 1: you know, being in this room. I sleep in this room.
Speaker 1: I know where everything's at in this room, So you
Speaker 1: don't know, at least for me, like I couldn't tell
Speaker 1: all right, am I just like do I just know
Speaker 1: where everything is and that's why I'm seeing it in
Speaker 1: my mind and I don't know. Then your mind just
Speaker 1: starts playing tricks on you. But of course we only
Speaker 1: meditate for like twelve or thirteen minutes, so maybe it
Speaker 1: takes a little bit longer than that, especially trying it
Speaker 1: for the first.
Speaker 2: Time, you know, for it being only twelve thirteen minutes,
Speaker 2: I really hit that sweet spot, you know. I felt
Speaker 2: really zened out. Yeah, like really really relaxed, and even
Speaker 2: within the first few minutes, I started feeling like a
Speaker 2: tangling like on my head, like a lot of tingling
Speaker 2: on my head, and then like kind of like in
Speaker 2: my chest area. It was like I gave me the chills, dude,
Speaker 2: Like it was. It was a good one, man. And
Speaker 2: I was also looking for that little pinhole of light,
Speaker 2: and I felt like I saw like a one little
Speaker 2: spot of light, but then it like kind of went away,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I always kind of
Speaker 2: see those those types of whatever you want to call that,
Speaker 2: you know. But now that I know what I know
Speaker 2: as far as what Jamie has told us, like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to really try to hone in on that and
Speaker 2: really try to focus and just knowing that it's possible,
Speaker 2: you know, like for the longest time, nobody could do
Speaker 2: a nine hundred on a skateboard, and then Tony Hawk
Speaker 2: did it, and now now people are doing you know,
Speaker 2: even more than that, you know, the double backflip on
Speaker 2: a bicycle. It's like once someone finally did it, now
Speaker 2: everyone gave themselves permission, knowing that someone has done it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like like even over like the NFL combine.
Speaker 1: It used to be crazy if somebody ran a four
Speaker 1: four forty right, like that was insane speed. And now
Speaker 1: you guy guys who are running like in the in
Speaker 1: the four ones, which is just crazy, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think that it's it is a matter of seeing
Speaker 1: somebody else doing it, accepting it and almost accepting the
Speaker 1: challenge and pushing yourself to that limit knowing that it
Speaker 1: has been done before. And you know, that's why Jamie
Speaker 1: so important here on this episode, because yeah, you just
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think you kind of just maybe
Speaker 1: released the shackles of our own mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ticking it out of the realm of impossibility.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: So, Jamie, I noticed you had your blindfold on, and
Speaker 2: I was kind of hoping I didn't see you put
Speaker 2: it on, but I was kind of hoping that you
Speaker 2: were gonna see what you saw. Even with the because
Speaker 2: I know you said that you don't typically use meditation
Speaker 2: music for for doing the you know scene without your eyes,
Speaker 2: and so well, what did you experience?
Speaker 5: Man? I have this light here on my desk right
Speaker 5: for the for the interview for the podcast, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I could definitely see that it was just bright.
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's like, okay, well it's just stuck in
Speaker 5: my eye because I've been looking at it for an hour. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but if I if that were true, then if I
Speaker 5: looked around that spot where it was kind of would
Speaker 5: move right. But it didn't. It was right there. It
Speaker 5: was very bright. I could see that light and I
Speaker 5: could see the outline of the screen and where is it.
Speaker 5: I have like a crystal rod here, like it's just
Speaker 5: quartz and I could see that That's about That's all
Speaker 5: I could see. But it was nice.
Speaker 2: Interesting, it was nice. So even with the meditation music,
Speaker 2: you know, I had a feeling that you were going
Speaker 2: to be able to do that. I was hoping you
Speaker 2: were going to try to do it for the meditation Yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I better wear this damn thing, this damn mask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, man, this is so cool. I cannot way
Speaker 1: to try it a little bit more. I'm just like
Speaker 1: every time my eyes are shut, I think I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna take like an extra tick or two, you know,
Speaker 1: and just play around with it, especially like laying in
Speaker 1: bed at night, you know, I like to sleep in
Speaker 1: the pitch black, you know, and so let me mess
Speaker 1: around with that, I think a little bit just about everything.
Speaker 2: But you would need some sort of light, right, like
Speaker 2: Jamie was saying it before, like you need some sort
Speaker 2: of light within the room in order because you're not
Speaker 2: going to see your room in pitch black, right.
Speaker 5: You could, But if you're going to if you're trying
Speaker 5: to activate the ability, light is often used, Like in
Speaker 5: most modalities where they teach this, they use light to
Speaker 5: activate it, either sunlight or like a bright light. Okay,
Speaker 5: well that actually brings for you can start.
Speaker 1: Like the next question would be then, like let's say
Speaker 1: you know somebody is you know, pretty much already like
Speaker 1: super acclimated to all of it, right, And let's say
Speaker 1: you start out with the lights on and then you
Speaker 1: turn the lights off. Do you think that you'd be
Speaker 1: able to still read that book if the lights are off?
Speaker 5: Interesting, it depends where you are in your journey. But
Speaker 5: I would say eventually you can do that.
Speaker 2: Wow, I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can, if you can.
Speaker 5: I don't have the lights on very much anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh no, I was gonna say, like, if you
Speaker 1: can look through and see the other side of the
Speaker 1: book cover, you know, I would imagine that there's not
Speaker 1: many limits.
Speaker 5: There's not a lot of photons in between those two pages.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's about right. Man. What a freaking awesome show.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we did this. Like you are,
Speaker 1: You're one of our favorites, instantly, instant classic.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, without your eyes. Jamie's our guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I you know, I appreciate you even considering it,
Speaker 5: even though I'm not like a pro at it yet.
Speaker 5: But you know, I'm still on that journey.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're doing the thing, you know what I mean, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're if you're even if if you're not a professional
Speaker 2: or whatever, it's like, but you're actually in the journey
Speaker 2: and you're doing it, you know, and so any insight
Speaker 2: that you have, I mean, we're all over that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you think, like most you know, masters of
Speaker 1: any kind of craft, they probably forget, you know, all
Speaker 1: the little intricacies of what it was like to start
Speaker 1: so it probably you, I mean, you probably can learn
Speaker 1: a little bit more from somebody that's actually on their
Speaker 1: journey as opposed to somebody that's a completed it, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because they're they're much closer to the beginning
Speaker 2: and all of the things that the little mistakes that
Speaker 2: they made, not even at their mistakes, but just you know,
Speaker 2: hurdles that they had to overcome. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: Fair that's a great way to look at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, all right, Jamie, Well, I guess that's that's
Speaker 1: going to be it for this episode. So we really
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming to hang out with us, man, and
Speaker 1: uh cannot wait for the next time.
Speaker 5: That was fun. How do I cross market this with you?
Speaker 5: How do I promote your show? Or what's the best
Speaker 5: way to like, can I say check this out, I'll
Speaker 5: be on it, or what what do you prefer?
Speaker 1: Or so well, I mean, we we have all the
Speaker 1: social media's I'm going to definitely be making clips out
Speaker 1: of this whenever it goes up, and so maybe you know,
Speaker 1: we can probably you know, collaborate on clips or something
Speaker 1: like that or yeah, I mean whatever you'd like to say.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we are a podcast, but We're also
Speaker 1: on YouTube, so you can also you know, you can
Speaker 1: find us on YouTube and Spotify and Apple podcasts and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So we I think we
Speaker 1: have like a link tree with all of our links,
Speaker 1: you know, however you want to go about it. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: we really.
Speaker 5: Appreciate that because I'd love to share that on my
Speaker 5: website and then to my you know, a mailing list,
Speaker 5: and then on TikTok and off your things.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll send you I'll send you the video
Speaker 1: then okay, yeah, and then you can post it wherever
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just yeah, I can the link. I guess I
Speaker 5: can just throw it up on the website or whatnot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, either way, thanks great, hell yeah man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate that. Well all right, look, yeah, we'll talk
Speaker 1: a little bit here after the show. But you know,
Speaker 1: for those who are tuning out, thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for coming to join us on this episode and
Speaker 1: we hope to see it on the flip side.
Speaker 4: Bye.
Speaker 2: Good keep