WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:06.679 You've created everything, what's put a powerful being you are. 2 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.480 You did these things, but now you're in a human body. 3 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:13.080 You forget the power you have. 4 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:19.000 What you do is what the whole universe is doing 5 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:23.480 at the place you call here, and now you are 6 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:26.839 something the whole universe is doing in the same way 7 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.359 that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing. 8 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:32.840 Good doing. 9 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:43.079 What Welcome to metamistics where you don't know what you 10 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:46.840 don't know. My name is Jonathan, I'm Sean, and today 11 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.960 we have an amazing guest that we are super excited 12 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.320 for this conversation, Jamie Starwalker. If the name is not enough, 13 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:56.119 wait till you hear what he's about to teach us 14 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:58.439 a little bit about today. Welcome to the show, sir. 15 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.960 Thank you so much. And Shawnston, I'm so honored to 16 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:04.599 be here. I think we're gonna have a good time tonight. 17 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:08.319 Absolutely, dude, absolutely, we we've talked about this kind of 18 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:10.680 stuff for a long time and we all, I think, 19 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:13.079 deep down know that these types of things are possible, 20 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:15.719 and so this is this is I'm really excited for 21 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:18.359 this one, really excited. Yeah, me too. 22 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:21.480 So and and actually leading up to this, what was 23 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:24.519 the name of that show that we watched with Benedict Sean. 24 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.840 Henry Sugar, Secret See Something, Henry Sugar. I forget the 25 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.480 title of the movie, but oh my goodness, this is 26 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:34.439 the same vibe. 27 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:36.599 Have you ever seen that. It's a it's like the 28 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.400 Secret Life of Henry Sugar or the Crazy Life of 29 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:42.519 Henry Sugar or something, but basically it's, uh, it's Benedict 30 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.280 Cumberbatch or Bach or Harry say his name, and and 31 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:50.040 he's it's a oh damn it who writes those books? 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:53.879 The same writer of Matilda and the same writer of 33 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:56.480 Roald Dahl. There it is. 34 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:57.359 That's it? 35 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.280 Yeah, yeah, and all that yeah, yes, yes, And so 36 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:04.159 he wrote this this story and then it just got 37 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:07.079 turned into like like a half a movie kind of deal. 38 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:09.199 I think it was like forty or fifty minutes longer. 39 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:12.280 It's actually called the Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar. 40 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.039 There it is. And he like stumbles across this book 41 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.039 and learns how to see without his eyes, which is 42 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.879 you know, me and Sean watch that together and we 43 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:25.120 were both like, oh my god, if this is real, 44 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:28.479 and like we're open minded to the possibility of it 45 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.159 being real. And then we see you and all these 46 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:34.199 other people that are like, you know, seeing without their 47 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:36.159 eyes and they keep their eyes covered and they're still 48 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.599 able to read things and they're still able to see things. 49 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.520 And and of course with the Internet, you got to 50 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.759 take it with a grain of salt, especially with AI, 51 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.479 and there's you know, movie magic all the time. So 52 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.280 I mean, just so we can clarify, like the scene 53 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.479 with the out without eyes, that is not bullshit, right. 54 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:56.159 It is not It's not bullshit. It's real awesome. Jit 55 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.439 Hyot's been so like suppressed. You know, you can come 56 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.000 to your own conclusions. I don't know, but it's real. 57 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.719 That is so crazy, dude, So just out of curiosity, 58 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:11.800 like how did you stumble into this? You know, because 59 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.599 you you're like teaching people how to do it right 60 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:16.800 or teaching kids how to do. 61 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:21.479 It teaching kids. Yeah, so there is so First off, 62 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:24.960 I'll just say that I went on a we'll call 63 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:30.439 it a trip, an exploration if you. And during that trip, 64 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.520 my eyes were closed. I was in a liminal space, 65 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.080 a different kind of level of consciousness. 66 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:38.400 Right. 67 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.759 I was lying down on a table and I could 68 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.680 see my hands with my eyes closed, and I was like, 69 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.199 whoa this is so cool man, Like I could see 70 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:52.560 like blue outlines on my hands and like this is 71 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:56.240 this is really trippy. So then I saw a documentary 72 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.560 on Guya. If you're familiar with Kaya, oh yeah, it's 73 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:01.080 called Superhuman. Have you seen that? 74 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:02.080 Yep? 75 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:03.759 And like I think it's episode. 76 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:03.840 Three or four. 77 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:07.120 They have these kids running around outside with blindfolds on. 78 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:07.680 Yep. 79 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.639 The woman who kind of came up with that modality 80 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:16.519 and there's many her name is Nicola Farmer, and I 81 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.680 reached out to her and I was like, hey, hey, 82 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:21.959 I have four kids. I would love to teach them this, 83 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:25.160 and she's like, yeah, take my course. So I took 84 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:30.160 the course and the rest is history. Like they can 85 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:32.560 do it. It's pretty pretty freaking wild. The first time 86 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.120 it happened, I was I was floored. I was like, 87 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.959 because you don't you don't always believe it, even though 88 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.759 like inside your heart you're like I think I really, 89 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.639 I'm like ninety nine percent truth, sure that this is true, right, 90 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.000 And then you're like that one percent is like well, 91 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:49.399 let's let's still investigate, let's still check it out, because 92 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.560 maybe I'm kind of falling prey to whatever it is. 93 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.800 But no, it's it's real, and the first time you 94 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:58.199 see it happen with a kid, you're like and you 95 00:04:58.279 --> 00:04:59.759 just want to get so excited and everything, but you 96 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:02.519 have to be really calm on them and be super chill. 97 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:05.839 But anyway, it's it's pretty wild, dude. 98 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.319 It's like, you know, because you see videos and stuff 99 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:09.720 like that, and I think that there was like an 100 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.160 academy or something that I like a video or something 101 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.480 that I saw where they're just like throwing down the 102 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.879 colors red, green, blue, yellow, and I'm like their eyes 103 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.279 are covered. And then you look in the comments and 104 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:25.199 they're like, clearly this was edited. Clearly, this isn't real. 105 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.800 Nobody can do it. And I'm like, there's a piece 106 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:29.959 of me that like wants to really or wanted to 107 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:31.839 really believe that it was real. So I started going 108 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:34.240 down to a little rabbit hole. And then there was 109 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:38.519 this woman who I kept on seeing and she was 110 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.040 like really amazing at it, and I was like, okay, 111 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.279 and then she just recently went on the Danny Jones Show, 112 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:46.720 and I was like, okay, I know Danny Jones isn't 113 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.279 full of shit, right, and so I and she was 114 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:51.839 able to, you know, kind of repeat it over there 115 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.759 and she's like, you know, putting triple layer things across 116 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.800 her eyes, and I was like, how is this possible? 117 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.680 So just out a curio whenever you were seeing it? 118 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:05.360 Is it like you see it in your mind? Is 119 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.240 it almost like a third eye sense? 120 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:07.680 Like? 121 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.519 What is really like? Can you explain the experience? 122 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:14.399 So you're talking about Dollia, I think, right, Dolliah Yeah, yeah, yeah, 123 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.759 she's I've met her and seen her in person a 124 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:17.399 couple of times. 125 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:18.399 See awesome. 126 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:21.800 So yeah, and she's like totally chill about it, which 127 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:27.360 is really cool. So so like here's here's a mind sight, right, 128 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:30.319 which is our mindfold, okay, and this is generally what 129 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:32.519 we use. I put these things in there, like these 130 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:37.079 are you know, the the pads that you that people 131 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.399 would use to wipe makeup off or something like yeah, yeah, 132 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.040 And it's just extra blockage right in case there's absolutely 133 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:47.720 any light. So the goal is to get your eyes 134 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:51.360 surrounded by as little light as possible because it can 135 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.680 throw you off, right, which is why a lot of 136 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:59.319 people may not come to it naturally. It's not a 137 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:04.000 natural state necessarily because we're so inundated with photons and 138 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:06.560 light all the time. Even when we're sleeping right right, 139 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:09.600 Actually the blue light exactly, and if you do. 140 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:11.959 A little bit of light leakage or whatever, then you're 141 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.199 going to just activate your your left brain and it's 142 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:16.480 just going to throw you off anyway. 143 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:20.759 Bingo exactly, Sean. So the goal is to really train 144 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:25.519 your mind to be used to complete total darkness. And 145 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:30.160 in general, the traditional way of teaching it is you 146 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:35.959 keep your eyes closed underneath the mindfold, right, just for 147 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.360 extra But what they've found recently is when they're teaching 148 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:41.639 adults is that actually it works better with your eyes 149 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:45.680 open but under this. And to answer your question, Jonathan, 150 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:51.560 when you see so for me, I'm not that great 151 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.240 at this yet. I cannot read yet. But what I 152 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.079 see is it looks like an outline. It looks like, 153 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:03.319 so I do energy. You work reiki teacher, light worker, 154 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.120 that's kind of my that's my work, right, So when 155 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.800 I work on people, I do see energy like coming 156 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.639 out of people's hands or their field or their orc 157 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.600 field and stuff like that. So it looks like that. 158 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.120 It looks like an outline of a person, or an 159 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.120 outline of my hand, or an outline of the computer. 160 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.199 So like an aura kind of situation For. 161 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:27.839 Me, it does, yeah, but it's it's but it's tighter. 162 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:29.199 It's like, actually your. 163 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:32.519 Outline m hm, how is that possible? 164 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:33.000 Like? 165 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.440 I mean, and and we're you know, we're no stranger 166 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.000 to talking about energy and you know all that kind 167 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:44.200 of stuff of course, but like how does it equate 168 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:47.840 in your mind? Like whenever you actually see even just 169 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:51.039 the outline that you're able to see, Like when you 170 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.360 when you first saw that, did you almost like shit 171 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.039 your pants? Like what was going on with did you 172 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.879 almost like? How am I the one that is seeing this? 173 00:08:58.080 --> 00:08:59.279 Like what was going through your mind? 174 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.000 So what was going through my mind was WHOA? Is 175 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.480 this real? Like you always question yourself is this a fluke? 176 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.399 You know why you try? I'm a very left brain person, ironically, 177 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.279 and so I'm always trying to figure stuff out. How 178 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:16.480 does it work? What's going on? You know, what part 179 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.200 of the brain is doing this? Is this a hallucination? 180 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.200 And so I constantly try to prove myself either right 181 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:27.360 or wrong. I'm not vested in one way or the other. 182 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:29.519 I just want to find out what the truth is yea. 183 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:35.480 And the key to that, right with the scientific method 184 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.279 as well, is repetition. Is if you can keep repeating 185 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:42.000 the outcome. And so the first couple of times I 186 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:43.960 ripped it off and I just checked and I put 187 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:45.679 it on and it would go away, and then I'd 188 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.000 have to just get into meditation again and like meditate 189 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:49.600 for a while, try it again, and it would work 190 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:51.679 and then go away. And then the more that you 191 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.440 do it, the better that you get at it, if 192 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.960 that makes sense. So you can see a progress. And again, 193 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:59.799 I'm still on this journey, but I'm just I really 194 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:03.159 just want to share that it's possible, and the kids 195 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.639 get it super fast so they can read whenever. 196 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.039 You're so like, all right, so you're saying that you 197 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.480 have to get into somewhat of a meditative state in 198 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.840 order to be able to see this, And it seems 199 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.960 like like Dahlia, at least from the short clips that 200 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.559 I was seeing, she almost can almost go without it, right, 201 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:24.960 like it is just a natural state. She just knows it. 202 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.039 Built that muscle up already. Man, you know exactly she 203 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:29.519 put in her reps too. 204 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:35.240 She didn't skip blindfold day. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. 205 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:36.159 That is crazy. 206 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:40.480 I wonder why this would be something because surely people 207 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.600 nowadays are not the first people to ever discover something 208 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:47.840 like this, Like, I'm sure that people dating back to 209 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.919 history no matter I mean, however far back you want 210 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:52.919 to go, as far as the ancients or whatever. Surely 211 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:56.360 somebody figured this out. And it almost seems like at 212 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.639 least for me, you know, I have a conspiracy podcast, 213 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:00.840 so I'm always in the con bi racy brain. Why 214 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:02.679 are they hiding it? Why is it not out there? 215 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:04.919 Why is it not taking schools? You think that it 216 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:09.120 would be pretty pertinent information for especially for kids, like 217 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:11.559 especially the kids that are like scared of the dark. 218 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:13.759 You think they would be a pretty powerful tool, right. 219 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:19.039 So, Jonathan, that's like an amazing point because one of 220 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.519 the main goals of teaching the kids this is not 221 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:25.200 to see with their eyes closed. It's to actually connect 222 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:29.799 their left and right brain hemispheres to work together better. 223 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:35.759 So the tagline is like creatively logical and logically creative, 224 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.679 so being able to kind of combine those two together 225 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.879 and it works, yes, exactly, And it works really well 226 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:48.000 for kids on the spectrum or for with ADHD or 227 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:52.799 you know, anywhere on that field. Right, It calms them down, 228 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:56.480 they can focus better, they're generally better at Like my 229 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.000 son was having so much trouble reading. He's six, right, 230 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:02.960 and when he started with this, he had no interest 231 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:04.879 in it. He didn't want to do it. He just 232 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:07.559 did not like it just didn't work for him. And 233 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.200 then when he's using the blindfold and he's identifying letters 234 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:14.000 on a book and the pictures and the colors and 235 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.759 the shapes, and we can go into what he sees 236 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.240 because he's on a different level. But you know, he 237 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.919 really started to get interested in it, and he really 238 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.360 he gained more confidence. And the confidence is like kind 239 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.759 of the magic sauce here, because that's what you're building. 240 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:33.960 You're basically telling these kids you can do this, you 241 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.240 can do this, that you don't ever talk to them negatively, 242 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:38.519 even if they mess up or they don't do it, 243 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.600 or they misidentify the color or whatever it is. You 244 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:44.879 just keep giving them positive reinforcement and you're literally training 245 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.559 their brain that they can literally do whatever they want. 246 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.159 They can do anything, and it gives them such great confidence. 247 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.960 Dude, I mean to And that's kind of the weird 248 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:56.840 thing that goes on with a lot of this stuff. 249 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:59.240 It's almost like you have to believe to see it 250 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.679 rather than see to believe it. You know, and and 251 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:05.960 maybe that is just part of the meditation experience altogether. 252 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:10.039 You know, most people, they some people have like crazy, 253 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.919 crazy experiences under you know, deep meditation. I mean you 254 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.600 think about the Gurus, Saguru, I think meditated for like 255 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.080 twenty straight days or something crazy like that, right, And 256 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.080 people talk about like seeing these light beings or seeing 257 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:27.480 these you know, whatever you know God that you you know, 258 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:31.120 apply to right, Like, it's always something crazy that people 259 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.639 see whenever they're deeply in that meditative state. And I 260 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.000 think that, you know, look, if we're if we're you know, 261 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.159 temporarily human but always a soul, shouldn't we be trying 262 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.200 to connect with more of that soul part than this 263 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:45.679 human part anyway? And it seems like seeing without your 264 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:47.480 eyes would be right up that alley. 265 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.960 Yeah, exactly, you're absolutely right. We you know, we're in 266 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.399 this three dimensional whatever you want to call it, matrix 267 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:00.679 or whatnot, and we're limited, like what we to be. 268 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:06.279 Our life is basically limited to our senses, right, That's it, 269 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:10.080 and that's all we we have to figure stuff out here. 270 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.440 And so if and then well let's change the variables, 271 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.960 let's give you another sense. And then it's like whoa, Okay, 272 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.840 your ability to understand creation, the universe, whatever you want 273 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:26.000 to call it, has just increased by an order of magnitude. Right, 274 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:29.759 So yeah, you're right, Like a lot of indigenous peoples 275 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:31.440 they can do this. This is part of their culture. 276 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:35.039 It's like we've rediscovered it, right, but it's just we've 277 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:40.200 put it into context in our current flavor of culture. Right. 278 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.919 Would you say that this is like a spiritual thing 279 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:47.720 or is it like like, is it something that can 280 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:50.080 be explained explained away via science? 281 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:52.600 So that's a great question too. 282 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:54.559 So if you look at there's three kind of main 283 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.720 schools for adults for this, Okay. So there's Vibravision, there's 284 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:02.240 the Monroe Institute in in Virginia, right, and then there's 285 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:06.919 the one that Dahlia went to, which is vwe Vision 286 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:11.480 without Eyes. Okay. So those three take a very scientific 287 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.039 approach to it. They're trying to basically say, your brain 288 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:19.240 can see, can perceive things using We're not one hundred 289 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:21.799 percent sure what it's doing, but it can perceive things 290 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:25.240 outside of your eyes, and we're just training that to work. 291 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.639 And the more that we do it, the higher your 292 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:32.879 percentage of like you know, you go beyond that statistical 293 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:36.399 anomaly of being able to guess what's there and actually 294 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:38.600 have a higher accuracy. That's all they're going for. 295 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.360 Okay, Yeah, I was kind of curious if it was 296 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.440 almost like, because you hear the Buddhists and the Hindus 297 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.799 talk about cities achieving these like superhuman powers that they 298 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:51.519 call cities on the way toward enlightenment, right, And I 299 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.559 almost wonder is it something like that or is it 300 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:57.279 more is it something else, you know what I mean? 301 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.879 Because I don't think that a city or a superpower 302 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.440 and be explained away via science, right, Like, maybe it 303 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:05.960 can be. I mean, it's maybe it's kind of like 304 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:08.240 a God of the Gaps kind of situation going on there. 305 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.480 But yeah, it's man, that is so fascinating, And and 306 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.120 just to hear you talk about it, dude, that gets 307 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:19.720 me really really wanting to do it, because it's one 308 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:21.840 thing to see somebody talking about it on the internet, 309 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:23.240 and I know that there are gonna be people that 310 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:25.600 are listening to the show that are like, oh, well, 311 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:28.480 Jonathan and John they're just open minded, and so maybe 312 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.799 they're you know, maybe they're kind of just playing to it. 313 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:32.720 But I do want to say to all of the 314 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.679 listeners out there, like I we're not playing along with 315 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:41.080 anything like your I believe what you're saying, and so 316 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.600 much so that you're like you're even teaching your kids 317 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:46.039 how to do it, and and so you're saying that 318 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:49.000 your kids are even gaining a lot of confidence from 319 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:50.720 it as well. 320 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:52.840 Right, And the way that the kids are trained is 321 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.840 a little different than adults because, like you said earlier, 322 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.840 belief is everything. And even in the energy work that 323 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:00.600 I do, the number one thing that we have to 324 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.160 clear from people are limiting beliefs, right for money, for love, 325 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:08.039 for just being able to function, it's all. It's all beliefs. 326 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:12.559 It's just crap programming that we've received either genetically, culturally, you. 327 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:13.119 Know what have you? 328 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:18.440 Right, these kids don't have that burden mm hmm, right, right, 329 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.720 So it's so much easier to get to them and 330 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.319 to get them to open up and they get excited 331 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:23.680 about it. 332 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:25.240 It's like a game to them. 333 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:27.359 And so when that happens, when you've got that, when 334 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:31.119 you've gamified it and there they've they've bought into it, 335 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:34.079 then you've got them, like within three sessions usually they're 336 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:35.200 going to start seeing. 337 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.799 I think the spiritual I find that very fascinating, you know, 338 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.799 how how you were saying as far as you know, 339 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.519 teaching the kids is so much easier, you know, and 340 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.960 then for adults, it's almost like you have to break 341 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:49.200 down so many barriers just to get to the point of, Okay, 342 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:51.880 I believe that I'm that I can do this. Let 343 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:53.319 me go ahead and give it a shot, you know. 344 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:56.039 And like that that negative speak you were talking, not 345 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:58.559 negative speak, but the the skeptic speak that you were 346 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:01.359 even speaking about yourself. You know, even though you already 347 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:04.880 experienced it, you were still trying to explain it the way. 348 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:07.359 And I think we all do this with our own 349 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:10.599 mystical type experiences, and so I find it. I just 350 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.720 find it fascinating that you know, you have to break 351 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.400 so much down just to start to do it. But 352 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:17.400 I wanted to ask you a question as far as 353 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:21.599 what's actually happening, And of course maybe you don't have 354 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:24.359 the answer, but in your mind, how you see it working. 355 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.200 Is it that you are picking up on energy on 356 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.440 more like a raiky type of level, or is it 357 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:34.160 your consciousness outside of you? There's that's a great question. 358 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:38.160 So there's different theories behind it. So with vibra vision, 359 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.039 their theory is that you are feeling the vibration of 360 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:44.480 the color or whatever is around you, whether it's a 361 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.359 pillar or that you have to run through, you know, 362 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:49.440 because they do have physical activities that they put these 363 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:50.119 people through. Right. 364 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:55.279 But the way that I've seen it work with the kids, 365 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.519 and from my understanding, is that it's basically like an 366 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.200 out of body experience, but you're just like this much 367 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:05.039 out of body, right, because one of the things that 368 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.680 we do is when the kids are like, let's say 369 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.960 that they've got their blindfold on, right, so if the 370 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.160 book is like, I'll just put it on. So like 371 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:15.720 let's say the book is like right in front of 372 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:20.680 them like this, right, So they might be looking here, 373 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.640 like they might be looking up, but they can still 374 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.039 see the book. And so you have to have them orient. 375 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:28.839 You have to go through these exercises to kind of 376 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:34.119 orient your vision and then they can start to see like, okay, 377 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:36.200 so I'm seeing my hand here, so that's good. So 378 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.319 you start to see in front of you. You basically 379 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:44.559 have to retrain how the eyes are working or how 380 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:47.160 whatever you're picking up, how it's working. Because basically it's 381 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.880 like the energetic version of yourself or your eyes is 382 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:55.000 like right here, like right in front of where your 383 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:58.839 eyes actually are. And what happens with the kids is 384 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:02.279 that eventually they start to have out of body experiences 385 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.039 and so they'll be able to have three hundred I 386 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.200 have had this experience too, where you have three hundred 387 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:10.240 and sixty degree view you can see everything around you, 388 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:13.160 and it's kind of weird perceiving that. Or they can 389 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:17.559 they can astral travel or go somewhere else with their vision, 390 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:24.279 so like, so I think that it's basically like you're 391 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:28.079 inducing an out of body experience, is what my understanding is. 392 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:30.519 It's just more limited. 393 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.240 So I'm guessing you probably have a lot of experiences 394 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:35.400 right before bed, like as you're trying to fall asleep. 395 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:38.000 Have you ever had experiences where just in the middle 396 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:39.640 of trying to fall asleep, you can just see your 397 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:43.640 bedroom with your eyes closed, Yes, because I feel like 398 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.160 I've had those experiences. But that one percent in me 399 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:48.359 is like trying to talk it away, like maybe I'm 400 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.799 almost asleep and I'm not fully aware that my eyelids 401 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:54.960 are open ever so slightly, and I am in fact 402 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:58.839 seeing the room you know, and so yeah, that's that's 403 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:02.160 pretty interesting. So there's a chance that I can do 404 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:04.440 this is what I'm saying. Oh yeah, because I need 405 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:06.799 to be Billy Madison in the back of this classroom, 406 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:07.799 you know what I mean? 407 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:12.000 Yeah, dude, And you know, I was just curious. I 408 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:14.359 was thinking about this, like and just trying to put 409 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.799 myself there for a second. So and I know, and actually, 410 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.440 in knowing that we were going to do this show 411 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:23.119 this evening last night, I was like, let me just 412 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:25.359 try and see. Let me try and mess around a 413 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:27.720 little bit. And I didn't have a blindfold or anything, 414 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:29.839 but I just took like a beanie and double wrapped it, 415 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:33.960 you know, kind of around my eyes. And I remember 416 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:38.480 thinking like, am I guessing what I'm seeing to try 417 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.400 and almost like trick it kind of thing, you know, 418 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:43.960 because you know the landscape, especially if it's like in 419 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:45.799 your own home, you know what I mean. And so 420 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:48.920 then it becomes almost a thought in my mind that 421 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:51.160 was like, all right, do I just remember that being 422 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.759 there or am I like almost seeing it? You know? 423 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.279 Do you ever get in your own way like that? 424 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.279 Yeah? I mean I was actually doing it yesterday. I 425 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.359 was walking upstairs and I had the blindfold on just 426 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:06.519 to you know, just as part of the training, and 427 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:09.920 you're you're kind of like, okay, well is my brain 428 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.519 My left brain's like, okay, remember that there's the landing 429 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.000 is here, and remember that there's a left turn here 430 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.559 and you have to overcome that. So that's a really 431 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:20.720 good point. But with the kids, we use books like 432 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:21.920 that they've never seen. 433 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:26.319 Hmm okay, woweah, that makes sense. So I've got like 434 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:28.359 just show them like Shakespeare or some shit. 435 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.599 They're like, I don't know exactly, Yeah, why are they 436 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.039 talking like this? They love the Bible. It's really weird 437 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:37.720 and I'm just kidding, but they you know, we get 438 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:42.160 all these kids books. They they've never seen them. And 439 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.799 I know my oldest daughter when she did it, I 440 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.039 think it was the third time she had never seen 441 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:50.720 this book. And she was getting We start off with colors, right, 442 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:53.119 tell me this color and then point to the color 443 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:54.880 and tell me what it is. And then point to 444 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:56.960 a shape, tell me what it is. So she started 445 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:02.400 reading the title. I was like, oh crap, okay, all right, 446 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:04.799 all right, read the title all right, and then tell 447 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:08.160 me who is the author and who is it? Illustrated 448 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:13.039 by and she read it and it was absolutely amazing. 449 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:17.079 But the sad part about that story is that her 450 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:21.960 mom doesn't believe that it's true. And so she went 451 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.680 home to her mom and said, hey, I did this 452 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:27.880 at daddy's house. I could read the book with my 453 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:30.119 blindfold on. She said, no, you did it. 454 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.559 Oh the first wall being layered in. 455 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:36.079 Just prove it. That's all you got to do at 456 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:37.119 that point, right. 457 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.000 I'm telling you, Jonathan, that's exactly what I told her 458 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:44.000 to do. And when she came back for the next session, 459 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:49.240 she couldn't do it again. Oh yeah, So we had 460 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:51.440 to work with her more and she's she's better at 461 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:54.440 it again, but she's still she's not reading anymore. We'll 462 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:58.079 get her back. Oh, but it's just it's so that's 463 00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:00.480 how powerful it is, especially if coming from parent. 464 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:05.920 Right, I'm sure it's and I'm somebody you know my 465 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:10.599 kids are you know, split households too, and there's confront 466 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:14.279 conflicting ideologies about certain things. So I know how much 467 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:17.160 of a pain that can be. But man, that's really unfortunate. 468 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:20.319 Do you think that, and not to you know, guess 469 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:22.720 or whatever, but do you think that most people that 470 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.920 don't believe in this think that this is like devil 471 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.319 work or it's just money or like like magic kind 472 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:31.279 of stuff that's not real, or what do you think 473 00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:32.720 is really going on with that? 474 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:38.920 It's that's a fair question. Thankfully I haven't been dealing 475 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:40.880 I mean usually if they people want to do it, 476 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:43.799 they already know about it. They saw the documentary. They 477 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:47.279 think it's cool, and they want to help their kids, right, 478 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:50.480 And a lot of these parents are desperate because their 479 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:53.319 kids are on the spectrum or there's something going on, 480 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.920 they're having trouble at school, et cetera, et cetera, So 481 00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.359 they're ready for anything. They don't care. They're like, if 482 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:05.559 it works, bring it on, right. But I'm sure there 483 00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:08.440 are people who think that it's weird, but you know whatever, 484 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:11.759 I guess thankfully I haven't had to deal with that, right, Hey, 485 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:12.880 more for everybody. 486 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.519 Else, you know at all. 487 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.000 So I mean the proofs in the pudding, right, like 488 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:18.519 the kids can see or they can't. 489 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.079 So that's what I'm saying. It's I don't know, man, 490 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:25.960 but but just out of curiosity. Whenever you first started, 491 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:29.119 like how long did it take? Like how many times 492 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.079 did you have to practice? How many hours did you 493 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:33.799 have to put in before you started seeing some kind 494 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.440 of progress. 495 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:39.799 M So I got you know, I had the unfair 496 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.759 jump start, right. I think I did see this, Like 497 00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:44.880 you know, as a kid, a lot of times we 498 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.720 do have these abilities that get kind of thrown under 499 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.039 the bus. People don't accept them, or our parents really 500 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:53.759 don't know how to deal with them. So I do 501 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.440 remember like astral traveling and seeing stuff as a kid, 502 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:01.119 But as an adult I had that experience with you know, 503 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.920 the God particle if you're familiar with that, which will 504 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:06.880 which woke up some stuff and I was like, okay, 505 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.880 this is That's when I started seeing my hands and 506 00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:12.400 the room a little bit. And so I just kind 507 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.319 of tried to remember that feeling and so get into 508 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:17.599 a very meditative state. And to answer your question about 509 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.920 the time, I think the first time I did it, 510 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.759 I meditated for like an hour m h and really 511 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.519 just focused. And the the thing that they try to 512 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:31.000 do is not only build coherence between the left and 513 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:33.599 the right sides of the brain in the physical body, 514 00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:39.400 but build coherence between the heart chakra and the third 515 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:42.880 eye chakra. So one of the things that you could do, 516 00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.559 and I encourage anyone to try this if they want 517 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:50.759 is when you're meditating, visualize like an infinity symbol going 518 00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:53.720 from the heart up to the head and. 519 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.359 Back down, looping them in together. 520 00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:01.039 Yes, in training them bringing coherence to both for those chakras, 521 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:03.720 and that helped a lot and a lot of people 522 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:08.359 on TikTok who saw that video have said that they've 523 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:10.599 had some experience after that. They said they could start 524 00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:12.880 seeing outlines or like colors or things like that. 525 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.960 So given away secret sauce over here, bro, I like it. 526 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:19.240 I know what I'll be visualizing this meditation. 527 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.319 Yeah, I don't want to get you anything, you know, 528 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:23.400 it's not cool. 529 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:24.240 I love it. 530 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.960 So whenever you were doing that the first time, did 531 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:32.240 you have the mindfold on or you just eyes closed. 532 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:32.519 Or or what? 533 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.680 I got a mindfold pretty early on, and I would 534 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.880 try to use that. Oh and I did. I did 535 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:44.359 find Jonathan that if I kept my eyes open under 536 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:48.240 the blindfold, that it was easier to get started. 537 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.200 Was that like something to do with like activating your 538 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:55.200 your visual cortex and then that was helping your your 539 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.880 brain kind of work with that or what do you 540 00:27:57.880 --> 00:27:58.720 think is going on with that? 541 00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:01.319 Could be a subject just thing of just accepting like, 542 00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:02.359 all right, my eyes. 543 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:07.519 Are yeah, I think you're You're both right. I'm not 544 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.240 one hundred percent sure, to be honest with you, but 545 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:12.000 it does seem like your brain knows, oh, when eyes 546 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.440 are open, I can see right, mm hmm. And so 547 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:19.400 you're just kind of turning that program on right, And 548 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:23.200 so it's possible into your eye lids closed obviously, but 549 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:27.880 just for me at least starting out, it's easier. And 550 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:30.759 the training stuff that's coming out for adults that's not 551 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.680 out yet, that will be out it teaches that adults 552 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.079 have an easier time with their eyes open under the blindfold. 553 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:42.920 Oh okay, almost like symbolically at that point, huh. 554 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.519 Oh, I mean yeah, it's like telling your brain you're 555 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:47.599 ready to see, you know. I mean that makes that 556 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:50.319 makes sense to me. See And at this point, like 557 00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:53.920 all of the things that we've experienced, I don't necessarily 558 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.960 need to know why it works. I really don't. I 559 00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.720 just need to know that it does. And hearing someone 560 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.480 like you speak is already going to just rewire my 561 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.680 brain to accept the fact that this is real. And 562 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.079 I think I'm gonna be honest, I feel like that's 563 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.440 probably all I'm gonna need you know what I mean, 564 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.759 I'm gonna be walking around the house pitch black and 565 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:16.880 being like, oh I got this. Okay, dude. You know 566 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.440 what's funny is is I think I know what you're 567 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:20.920 gonna say. 568 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.799 So it was like maybe last year sometime, me and 569 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.279 Sean we did a psychedelic trip together and uh, and 570 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:29.799 I was just laying there on the couch. He was 571 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.680 chilling on the recliner. He had his big dog coming late. 572 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:33.480 With me and all. 573 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.359 It was fun. But so we're sitting there and I 574 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.720 got up and I was like, dude, I think I 575 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.119 can see without my eyes. And I just got up 576 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.000 and I started walking around and I was like, dude, 577 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:45.920 I really feel like I can do this. And of 578 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.519 course I was stumbling into everything because hey, that's your 579 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.160 mind on drugs, I guess. But but it's not I 580 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:52.680 want to say that. 581 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.680 But think about that though, just because you were already 582 00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.119 kind of released from the notion that you can't do that, 583 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.559 you know on four Raco. Yeah, instance, it's like those 584 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.440 barriers were just kind of wiped wiped out because that's 585 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:06.960 and all of a sudden you can do it. 586 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:09.720 That's what it feels like, you know, because you feel 587 00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.640 like all of the restrictions are totally gone. Whenever you know, 588 00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:16.480 as you mentioned the God particle earlier, Rick Strausman, I 589 00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:21.599 love it or any other I mean, I imagine most psychedelics 590 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.000 would probably give you that kind of that feeling or 591 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:28.279 that that nosis almost that you can do it because 592 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.119 you know, you know, you do mushrooms and you see 593 00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.720 everything as much more vibrant colors and there's so much 594 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:36.440 more of the color spectrum that you have access to now, 595 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:40.039 and and you can almost see things breathing and pulsating 596 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.279 and all this sudden you know, next thing you know, 597 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.200 you're going up and having a conversation with a tree 598 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:46.480 as if it's your old buddy from college. You know, 599 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:50.559 like crazy things happened, but and it's not crazy, it's 600 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:52.960 only And this is something that we've covered, like we 601 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.480 went in depth on trying to understand what was going 602 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.400 on at the the Imperial College London when they were 603 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.319 doing the DMTX studies. And you know, one of the 604 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.359 things that they found which we found like most striking 605 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:11.319 was that the filter is absolutely removed and I think 606 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:16.559 it's called the default mode network is completely removed from 607 00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.319 your mind right and and that's what allows you to 608 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.039 see almost, if not everything right. And so, and I 609 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.359 thought that was really interesting because it's almost to say 610 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.880 that it's more of a trip to not be hallucinating 611 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.279 than it is to hallucinate, because the hallucination allows you 612 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.799 to see more, whereas whenever you're not hallucinating, the filter's on, 613 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.759 you're seeing less. So I would say, if you're getting 614 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:45.119 less information, that's almost like you're kind of tripping right 615 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:46.559 now if you think about it. 616 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.000 Yeah, I think you're right. 617 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.039 Yeah, So that's a great way to look at it. 618 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.720 That's perfect, Yeah, dude. 619 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.400 And so that's why I'm just so fascinating with this 620 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.880 kind of stuff. And that's the crazy thing. You know, 621 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.240 if you if you were somebody who who meditates regularly, 622 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.400 or if you've done psychedelics a few times, or you know, 623 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.759 if you've had a past life regression or anything like that, 624 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.000 you've had any kind of energy work done, you've talked 625 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.160 to a psychic, you've gotten a tarot card read and 626 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.359 read to you. These are all things that like happen 627 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:20.240 that you don't know exactly why they happened or how 628 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.359 they happen. It's just more so you're experiencing it, and 629 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.400 you know that it's not bullshit, you know, it's you 630 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:30.000 can't really put words to some of these things. And 631 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.279 so yeah, just the fact that you're able to to 632 00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.000 learn how to see without your eyes is I'm I'm 633 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.160 already a believer, you know, like I mean, especially like 634 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.640 you cemented it in my mind right because I don't 635 00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.759 think that you're, you know, out here trying to grift 636 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.559 or anything like that. I believe you. I mean, I 637 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.720 believe most of the other people. Now, you know, it's 638 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:53.799 like I'm the only The only blocking that goes on 639 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.359 is people's own limiting beliefs, you know, And that's crazy. 640 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.079 Jimmie was just saying, as far as you know, when 641 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:03.599 somebody tells you you can't do that, right, it was 642 00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:06.680 almost like like for his kid, an instant stoppage, a 643 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.720 blockage of that ability. You know, now as an adult, 644 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.200 imagine all of the negative speak we do to ourselves, 645 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:15.160 you know what I'm saying. So it's not only the 646 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:18.680 outside world that you're trying to U shut shut down 647 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:20.480 and say no, no, I'm not gonna listen to what you're saying, 648 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.640 I can do this. But you're also listening to yourself 649 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:27.079 and you've got to stop those repeated you know, negative speak. 650 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.440 So I mean that's I don't even want to skip 651 00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.200 over that. I feel like that's that's a huge point, you. 652 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.880 Know, really yeah, just as far as being able to 653 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.039 get out of your own way, like you don't. And 654 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.119 that's what's awesome about it is that you're not learning something, 655 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.799 you're just unlearning something. And then you say it like 656 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.279 it's a deconstruction kind of thing, which I love, and 657 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.279 that makes the most amount of sense because you don't 658 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.559 have to drink the kool aid. You don't have to believe, 659 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:53.880 you know, you don't have to have I'm not even 660 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.000 going to go religious here, but like you don't have 661 00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.960 to have all of those things in order to be 662 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.039 able to do this. It's more of just kind of 663 00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.559 I don't know, taking off the old skin, so to 664 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:04.799 say it's natural. 665 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.599 You know, this isn't something supernatural or something too crazy. 666 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.440 This is probably just part of us, I think, So 667 00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:11.880 I do. 668 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.679 I do have a question though, for you, Jamie. So 669 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:20.480 you mentioned about how there was periods of time where 670 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.039 you were able to see like three sixty all the 671 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.760 way around you, and I find that so fascinating and 672 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.960 whenever you're in that zone, especially anybody that's ever done psychedelics, 673 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.000 you know that there's a lot more to this reality 674 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.960 than meets the eye, right, do you like, do you 675 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.559 think that that is? And I don't know if this 676 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.440 even necessarily connects with what we're talking about, but do 677 00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.159 you think that that is kind of the nature of 678 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:48.639 what we are when we're not humans? Like that we 679 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.880 have the ability to be outside of time, to be 680 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:56.039 outside of space, to perceive almost all, if not all, Like, 681 00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:58.360 do you think that that's kind of what we are? 682 00:34:59.480 --> 00:34:59.880 Yeah? 683 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:00.320 I do. 684 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:03.840 I think you know, I've seen some of your shows 685 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:06.639 where you interview NDEs and things like that, and and 686 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.880 the experiences is really similar to that or to out 687 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:10.920 of body experiences. 688 00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:11.880 Right. 689 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:15.000 I also do QHHT. So a lot of my clients 690 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.960 who would do the past life regressions the way that 691 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.199 they see things, and and again you're turning off that 692 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.199 default network mode, right, so that they can start to 693 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:28.280 bring things through, like it's absolutely nuts, what's coming through? Right, 694 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:30.679 That's how they see things. I forgot you were a 695 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.840 k we say it's nuts, but the opposite of nuts. 696 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:40.000 But yeah, yeah, we're QHHT brothers then brother Oh yeah, awesome. Yeah, 697 00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.199 I learned it back whenever COVID with all the shutdown 698 00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.719 and we everybody was getting the stimulus checks. I was like, 699 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.239 I see people just blowing through that over the casino. 700 00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.320 I'm gonna actually put it towards something, and uh yeah, 701 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.920 went through all. I did the level one course and 702 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:58.039 then I heard that like you know, level two and three, 703 00:35:58.159 --> 00:35:59.880 you know you can do it, And that's what dolor 704 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.480 would say that it's like her bag of tricks and 705 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.320 stuff like that, and I kind of felt like that 706 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.440 I didn't necessarily need it because I caught on to 707 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.480 it really quick. And then we actually talked. We've had 708 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.960 Candice kraw Goldman on the show a couple of times, 709 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:18.039 which is anybody doesn't know that that was like Dolores 710 00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.039 Cannon's like best friend, if not one of her really 711 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:24.039 close friends, right, and she goes, you know, and I'm 712 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:26.519 not even trying to put anybody down or say anything 713 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.039 with this, but she goes, you know, Dolores never really 714 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.800 wanted to make it three levels, like she wanted to 715 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:34.280 give it all in one thing. She wasn't trying to 716 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.519 spread it out over three different courses and three different 717 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.800 payments and all this other stuff. So whenever I heard 718 00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.239 her say that, I was like, okay, so I'm good then, 719 00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.760 and she was like, she's like, you're good. I was like, 720 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:45.239 I'll take it. 721 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.719 You know, the level two really just helps, like if 722 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:53.440 people are stuck somewhere. But and honestly, everything that you 723 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:55.360 really need to know is in level one. 724 00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:58.559 Yeah, that's what I felt like. And also, you know, 725 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:00.679 it wasn't just like cause I did the online course. 726 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:02.320 It was during COVID. I don't think they were even 727 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:04.800 doing anything in person at that point anyway. But I 728 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.960 did meet up with a couple of women who also 729 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.440 had just completed their schooling as well, and this Polish 730 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:16.840 woman and another girl and do we were just practicing 731 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:18.760 on each other. I was putting her to sleep, she 732 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.480 was putting her to sleep. I was being put to 733 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.280 sleep by both of them. Then we had one of 734 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.079 my we had one of my good friends who I 735 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:25.960 would just bring over as a guinea pig and we 736 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.960 would all hypnotize them and it was great. And then 737 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:30.719 you know, of course, like and I don't know if 738 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.840 they still do it anymore, but whenever I was first 739 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.039 starting out, they said, you have to do at least 740 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.599 a hundred sessions before you can even go on to 741 00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.199 the next level or you know, anything like that. And 742 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.039 I was like, all right, well, I'm gonna do one 743 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.360 hundred and because I was really motivated. This is what 744 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.400 I'm gonna do for the rest of my life and 745 00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.599 stuff like that. And I think by this point I've 746 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:55.039 done probably anywhere between two and three hundred sessions. 747 00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.159 Now, awesome, Jonathan, that's great. 748 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.280 Yeah, man, I love it. And actually I just hearted 749 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.559 is so, you know, I'm kind of in the middle 750 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.000 of a move. I moved out to Arizona temporarily and 751 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:07.760 I was trying to get all my stuff, you know, 752 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:09.519 all my ducks in a row and everything like that. 753 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.039 And so I told everybody that once I got out 754 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.079 here that I was going to start doing sessions again. 755 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.920 And people have been flooding the email lately, and I'm like, 756 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.280 all right, people are still excited about this, because there's 757 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.519 a really a lot to gain from it. You know, 758 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.559 if if for nothing else, if you just look at 759 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.239 your past life regression as just a fun ride in 760 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.199 your mind, the questions that you ask your higher self, 761 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:31.239 that's the meat and the potatoes. 762 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:31.480 To me. 763 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:37.440 Truth, you know, And it's crazy because people go through 764 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.320 their lives and they just wonder, like, what is the answer? 765 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.320 I don't know? And it's like you actually do though, 766 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.599 you know. That's the beautiful thing about it is that 767 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.840 you actually do know the answer to a lot of 768 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:51.639 these things. And sometimes if if you like if I 769 00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.119 don't know, some people will get to the point where 770 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.599 they'll ask that question and the answer will come back 771 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.199 She's not ready for this answer yet, or some thing 772 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.239 like that. I'm like, all right, well that's all you then, 773 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:04.239 you know, so. 774 00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.920 Cool when that happens, man, you know, and we always 775 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.519 say like when when you're ready, the teacher will appear. 776 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.960 It's like there was there was layers and levels to 777 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.440 the journey that this person hasn't been through yet. 778 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.760 It's like not yet, you know, makes sense, Yeah, dude, 779 00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:22.039 it's really beneficial. At least I've been hypnotized twice. I've 780 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.679 hypnotized Sean twice and so much fun. 781 00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:28.400 Wait what. 782 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.800 I actually I even hypnotized my co host on on 783 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.719 the On My Conspiracy podcast, and he's a Christian. He 784 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.400 doesn't believe in reincarnation or past lives or anything like that. 785 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:40.000 And I was like, well, look, I mean, you don't 786 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.599 believe in it anyway, so you know, if I hypnotize 787 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.480 you and you see something, then then you can make 788 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.840 up your mind about it, right, And what you know, 789 00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:52.039 he had a whole past life progression as a Muslim, 790 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.920 by the way, which was extra warious. Yeah. Yeah, and 791 00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:57.840 and it was it was awesome, you know, and we 792 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.000 we asked the questions, you know, for the Higher self, 793 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.400 and dude, you wouldn't believe how easy those answers were coming. 794 00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.840 And it was shocking to even to me, like having 795 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.400 done a couple hundred sessions already up to this point, 796 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:13.239 but to see a non believer, you know, like witness it. 797 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.079 I'm like, all right, I know, like I didn't need 798 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:19.239 confirmation to know that this was real, but I got 799 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:19.760 it now. 800 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:20.280 You know. 801 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:23.639 It's just so great cool, Yeah, dude. 802 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:25.320 It's amazing the things that can happen when you get 803 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:26.079 out of your own way. 804 00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:26.320 Man. 805 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.880 There's just levels to it. You know. It's like, what 806 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.239 else is there? We got people seeing without their eyes, Like, 807 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.880 what else is that? I'm sure there's more we just 808 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:36.639 haven't re remembered yet. 809 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.840 We've got the telekinesis, We've got the remote view, and 810 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:41.400 we've got all this other stuff right. 811 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.679 Right, and all of those things I feel like requires 812 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:48.360 some amount of belief and or at the very least 813 00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:52.519 a limited amount of disbelief. You know. That's really it. 814 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:57.320 Right, It's more like a you know, whenever it comes 815 00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:59.559 to this kind of stuff, in my mind, it's not 816 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:04.679 necessarily believing, it's just not not believing, you know what 817 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:05.000 I mean. 818 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:05.639 That's true. 819 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:07.239 It's kind of like that as the way I look 820 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.039 at it. But I do want to ask, so, with 821 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.000 this kind of ability that we're talking about here is 822 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.159 it in your opinion? Do you think it's kind of 823 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.840 like a use it or lose it kind of thing? 824 00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:20.440 Like what happens if if you were to go six 825 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.920 months without ever trying it again? Would it be kind 826 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:24.760 of a process to get back up to where you're 827 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:25.360 at right now? 828 00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.719 Great question. So, the way that we do it with 829 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.239 the kids is that it has to be done every week, 830 00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.079 like around the same time max of two week break 831 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:41.119 between class between sessions, right, because it does unless it's 832 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.039 for example, if we take Dahlia for example, right, she 833 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.480 doesn't need any any meditation, she doesn't need any activation. 834 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.159 She can just do it right. So you get to 835 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.559 a point that you don't need that anymore, or you 836 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:56.840 don't need any reinforcement, but you do have to practice 837 00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:58.880 after that point. So the kids are supposed to go home, 838 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.639 they're supposed to practice. They get ten to twelve sessions, 839 00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:05.480 which generally solidifies that ability. Some of them do lose 840 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.760 it when they get older if they don't practice, but 841 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.519 from my understanding, you can get it back, but it 842 00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.079 just takes more work. It just you've got to retrain 843 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:16.920 the brain a little bit. 844 00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.320 It's kind of like learning a language almost. 845 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:20.880 Yeah, that's a great example. 846 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:23.480 So when you get them when they're when they're young 847 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:25.719 like that, and the brain is still developing, it's almost 848 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:28.960 like it's just creating those little pockets within the brain 849 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.280 as it's developing, you know what I mean, As opposed 850 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:34.119 to the adult it's already kind of set in their ways, 851 00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.880 and the brain's already fully developed and all of the 852 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.480 walls have been put up, and yeah, that's that's wild. 853 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.599 Right, Like a bilingual kid versus a monolingual kid, you know, 854 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:45.840 m right, it's always there. 855 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.119 Right, Yeah, dude, So you know, I asked a question earlier, 856 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.800 like what do you what do you think we are 857 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.239 when we're not human because because of the ability that 858 00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.039 you're able to see three six, almost as if you're 859 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:04.199 I don't want to say it, but maybe almost like 860 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.880 omnipresent at that point, right, It almost probably feels like that. 861 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.039 And the reason I asked that is because like, do 862 00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.360 you and maybe this is like, oh, super weird question, 863 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.920 but that's what these shows are for. Do you think 864 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.599 that this is a human ability or is it like 865 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:26.039 a conscious ability, like a consciousness ability? Do you do 866 00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:27.920 you understand what the distinction I'm trying to make. 867 00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:32.119 I do so I from my understanding, and that's just 868 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.480 my perspective, right, is that when we are out of body, 869 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.760 that's our soul, that's our spirit, however you want to 870 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:41.679 define that, And that's a natural ability of the soul, 871 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.639 of the of the spirit to see things and experience 872 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.119 things like that. Right, So when we ask for travel, 873 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.000 when we have these NDEs or these opes, right, that's 874 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.079 how we see things like very often people would describe 875 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.360 seeing things from a third perspective or seeing I think, 876 00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.760 you know, angles that just wouldn't be possible from the 877 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.559 planes of our eyes, right, So I think that is 878 00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:08.960 the natural state. And as as sorry as humans, we're 879 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.239 you know, we're kind of stuck in this box if 880 00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:13.480 you think about it like this, this is just this, 881 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.280 this a meat bag, right that our soul is in. 882 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.920 And so we're part of the fun I guess, or 883 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.199 the adventure of being a human and deciding to come 884 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:25.000 back down here, deciding to take a human life and 885 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:29.039 all the I mean become a human and and have 886 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:33.679 a human life is overcoming that and understanding like, no 887 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:38.440 matter what, we're still source, we're still God, we're still divine, 888 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:40.880 and maybe we put those real blocks in on purpose. 889 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.519 I don't know, but it does seem like it's part 890 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.039 of our journey of rediscovery if that makes sense. 891 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:48.760 Oh yeah, man, I imagine. So, I mean, if you 892 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.559 think about it, let's say you are an all knowing 893 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.400 being and it's like what else is there? Then you 894 00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.239 know what I'm saying, and so you then would want 895 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:02.639 to put up some type of h misremembering or losing 896 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:04.440 all of what you know that that way you can 897 00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:11.519 recognize it, you know what I mean? Recognize recognize. Yeah, 898 00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:12.679 that's that's interesting. 899 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.480 Well, it's like if you play a video game, right, 900 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.599 like if you played like Grand Theft Auto with the 901 00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.639 cheat codes on, it's not nearly as fun. Like maybe 902 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.320 you'll have you like you have fun for like a 903 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.400 couple hours. You'll do some crazy stuff, you know, you'll 904 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.559 do some absolutely nuts things. But then after a while 905 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.920 it gets old because it's too easy. But if you 906 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:34.679 go through, if you play a game and you're like, Okay, 907 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:36.159 I'm going to get this skill, I'm gonna get that, 908 00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:37.719 so I'm gonna level up, I'm gonna do this, I'm 909 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:41.320 gonna do that, that's a challenge. It's more interesting. And 910 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:44.280 you know, I think that's kind of why we forget 911 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.440 our past lives. That's kind of why we don't come 912 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.119 in with all these abilities activated, because we wanted the challenge. 913 00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:51.719 And again my perspective, but. 914 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.639 Right, no, that makes total sense. Whenever I've played Grand 915 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:56.440 Theft Auto and like you said, you were doing all 916 00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.800 the crazy things. You were blowing things up out of 917 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.960 the sky and cops are chased you whatever, and then 918 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:02.639 all of a sudden you hit this little phase where 919 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:04.360 you're just like, you know what, I'm gonna follow all 920 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.519 the rules, just like you're you're stopping at the red light, 921 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:08.760 you know what I mean, Because you want you want 922 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:10.480 to change it up, you know, so I feel like 923 00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.719 it's just in our nature to experience contrast. 924 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:15.119 Right, I don't know why Grand Theft Auto is such 925 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:15.800 a great example. 926 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.400 Yeah, definitely makes sense. Definitely made sense. 927 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:23.119 So speaking of Grand Theft Auto and I, well, I imagine, 928 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:25.480 you know, kids aren't necessarily playing it. But let's just 929 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:30.440 say another video game, right is it? How far can 930 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:31.320 we push this? 931 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:31.719 So? 932 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:34.360 For example, kids, you know, they they take it on 933 00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.480 pretty easy. Do you think that a kid would be 934 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:39.880 able to sit there and play a video game without 935 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:41.519 being able to see with their eyeballs? 936 00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:46.320 They do. I haven't had any of my kids do that, 937 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.320 or any of the kids that I've trained you that yet, 938 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.840 But there are videos of kids playing board games, playing chess, 939 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:59.000 playing video games, watching TV, all of that with the 940 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:00.920 blindfold on. It's no different. Like you get to a 941 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:03.639 point where there is you know, you're you're kind of 942 00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:07.519 trying to reach parody with your eyes at first, and 943 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:09.679 then once you get to that, then you just go 944 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.440 further than that, right, you know what I'm saying. 945 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.280 You imagine they're seeing a decent amount of detail. Then 946 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:18.599 you know, if they're able to pick up enough detail 947 00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:21.840 to make out the differences within with on the screen, 948 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.079 you know, between different characters and everything else you know. 949 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:27.920 And then I imagine once you are able to see 950 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:29.920 a certain amount to where you can at least make 951 00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.119 things out, then your brain probably just fills in the 952 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:35.239 gaps and then you're probably seeing more than what you 953 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.760 would imagine. 954 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.880 I'm not. Yeah, probably, And if you've seen the videos too, 955 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.360 or where they deal with adults and children who are 956 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:47.559 visually impaired, who are mind or who have become blind 957 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.079 through something happening or really bad cataracts or something, and 958 00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:56.320 they can see totally normally with the blindfold on. Wow, 959 00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.960 when they can and they can read, they have she's reading, 960 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.800 They give her something to read, and she's reading. And 961 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.639 and so the issue with that is from my teacher Nicola, 962 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:09.199 She's like, it works, but you have to be prepared 963 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.519 because sometimes it's overwhelming for their brain because they've never 964 00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:16.480 used that part similar yeah, or they're just too emotional, 965 00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:18.039 or it takes a long time for them to be 966 00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:23.320 okay with it because it's it's something so foreign that 967 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:26.039 it takes a lot to wrap your head around. 968 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.000 And that's for children that had been able to see 969 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:32.039 and then lost their vision and then. 970 00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:34.639 That's more for people who have never seen. 971 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.960 Oh okay, wow, that was my next. 972 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:42.440 Okay, so you can teach blind people how to do this? 973 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:49.280 Yeah, I I have not, but it's it's possible. Yeah, totally. 974 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.559 Wow, unreal And imagine. I mean, blind people are just 975 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.639 walking around in the dark all the time, and it's 976 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.360 almost a wonder how they haven't naturally figured it out 977 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:02.559 at that point, you know, like I wonder. 978 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:05.199 Sure some probably do and they're just not fully aware 979 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.119 of it. You know, when they hear a sound and 980 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.360 then they just know kind of where that thing is. 981 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.480 And I bet you that there is something like that 982 00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.679 going on, like a situation. Yeah, like they're just de 983 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:19.920 fully away exactly. Yeah, he's like the most legit Marvel superhero. 984 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.719 He's one of my favorites too. Yeah, I love him. 985 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:27.119 He could totally be a real superhero honestly. 986 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:27.480 Yeah. 987 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:31.239 He plays it really well too. So just out of curiosity, 988 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.159 what all right, if we're let's really take it to 989 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.840 the crazy level here, So what is the Is there 990 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:41.480 a different level of depth perception from your vantage point 991 00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:45.159 or are you seeing it as if you are using 992 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:48.119 your physical lives? So, in other words, would you be 993 00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:51.920 able to like let's say, like you wear glasses. Are 994 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.599 those prescription glasses or like blue light the prescription Okay, 995 00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.280 so your your vision is not the best, right if 996 00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.559 you're wearing glasses, and I imagine if you took your 997 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.760 glasses off, you wouldn't be able to see a billboard 998 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.360 that's one hundred yards away, right, But if you were 999 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:11.199 able to put this blindfold on, I mean, would you 1000 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:13.280 then be able to read something that is one hundred 1001 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:13.880 yards away? 1002 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:18.880 You could, yeah, read. And when I have had really 1003 00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:26.440 good vision with the blindfold on, it's almost like you're 1004 00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:30.559 seeing it differently. It's it's it feels like it's not 1005 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.239 being processed. It's just raw visual data. And if you 1006 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.559 want it clear, it's clear. You know everything. It's almost 1007 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.360 like there's no depth of field. It's like everything is clear. 1008 00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:48.199 And so the clearest I've ever seen, because I've probably 1009 00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:51.400 needed glasses my whole life maybe and never had them 1010 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.920 until I was like thirty, but the clearest that I 1011 00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:58.119 remember seeing has been with the blindfold on, if that 1012 00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.880 makes sense, Like I didn't you know, these are to 1013 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:04.159 correct for really bad astigmatisms in both eyes and has 1014 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.400 a little bit of correction, so seeing far away as 1015 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:08.559 a joke. It doesn't work. 1016 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:14.800 So it's better than your actual vision totally. That is wild. 1017 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.400 So I don't know now my mind is going to 1018 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.960 this other place. So is it kind of like a strain? 1019 00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:27.559 Is it difficult to put yourself into that mentality, you know, 1020 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.719 to be able to see beyond the blindfold? 1021 00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:35.679 Yes? At first, So the first couple of times that 1022 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.440 you do it, you just you kind of just want 1023 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.440 to be like maybe after fifteen twenty minutes, you just 1024 00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:45.559 want to be done because it's a lot and there 1025 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:47.800 is some level of interface with the physical body, because 1026 00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.639 the physical body does get tired, and especially with the kids, 1027 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.639 like each session is forty five minutes to an hour, 1028 00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:59.519 they're so tired afterward, right and their are their eyes 1029 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:03.599 tear like they just get because their eyes are attempting 1030 00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:07.679 to see and there's a confusion because they're getting visual 1031 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.800 data but their eyes aren't seeing it. And so there's 1032 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.000 a lot of physiological stuff things that happen during the session. 1033 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.559 It gets itchy, it tears up, there's they feel pressure 1034 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:21.679 here or here, and so by the time that they're 1035 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.119 done this session, they're wiped. They need an apple or 1036 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.880 just a break. If that makes sense. That makes sense. 1037 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:30.519 No, it does make sense because, like you said, the 1038 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.719 eyes are ready to see, you know, but then the 1039 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.360 information that the eyes are expecting it's not getting, and 1040 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.679 so it's trying to compensate. 1041 00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:43.639 Almost right, And everybody's perception is a little bit different. 1042 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:47.440 Jonathan and Sean like. So, for example, one thing that 1043 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:49.679 was kind of funny was one of the things I 1044 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:51.119 like to do with the kids is I say, hey, 1045 00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.400 here's your mindfuld. But it's so boring, right, So I 1046 00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:57.239 tell them put stickers on it and decorate it, put 1047 00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:59.519 your name on it, you know. So my son he 1048 00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.639 puts to all over. He's got like all these different 1049 00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:03.639 cool things. So he puts it on and he's like, 1050 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:08.559 he's like, Daddy, I don't like this one. I'm like, 1051 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.960 why what was going on? I keep seeing the stickers. 1052 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:14.559 On the outside of the blindfold. 1053 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:18.920 Yeah, So it's like right there, right, No other kid 1054 00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.559 has that I've known have has done that, but everybody's 1055 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.599 a little different in how they they do it. So 1056 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.599 I gave him mind with no stickers, and when his 1057 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:33.000 eyes are open in the blindfold, he can see colors, 1058 00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.280 he can see shapes, he can read, he can't really 1059 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.840 read great, but he can see the letters. He can 1060 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.519 tell me what the words maybe are, and he can 1061 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:42.679 I'll change the color of the of the paper, or 1062 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.000 I'll change the color of the light, and he'll immediately say, oh, 1063 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:48.079 that's purple, that's blue, that's right. Sometimes he mixes up 1064 00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:52.079 orange and red, but he's still you know whatever. That's amazing. 1065 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:57.800 Now when he closes his eyes, something else happens entirely 1066 00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.480 where he he goes into a different dimension or something, 1067 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:05.199 because he's like, he's like, Daddy, there's there's a fairy 1068 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.280 behind your backpack over there, and he's pointing to my 1069 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:09.679 backpack in the corner, and he's like he's like looking around, 1070 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.360 and he's like going up to it and like looking 1071 00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:17.159 around and walking in the room blind fly and and 1072 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.599 like trying to interact with his fairy and where like 1073 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.639 one time there were these beings and he said he 1074 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:28.039 saw being made of stars and it freaked him out. 1075 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.880 He ripped his mask off and started crying. And so 1076 00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:33.760 I know he wasn't faking it, right, I mean, I 1077 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.920 know when my kids are my god, so it's so 1078 00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:38.840 freaked out. 1079 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.760 So the just going back to the fairy thing, like 1080 00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:44.800 this thing held like space within three D, so he 1081 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:46.760 was able to like walk up to it and kind 1082 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.599 of work his way around it. Wow. 1083 00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:51.800 Yeah. And he was saying at one point that there 1084 00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.599 were these little creatures that they looked very cute, but 1085 00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:58.239 they were kept putting stuff on his book. And so 1086 00:54:58.280 --> 00:54:59.760 he's holding this book trying to read it, and he's 1087 00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:03.559 just like, keep shaking it, keep shaking the book, Like 1088 00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.320 what are you doing? Like are you okay? Why you 1089 00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.679 keep shaking the book? And he said, oh, these little 1090 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:11.639 guys keep putting stuff on my book because they think 1091 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:13.760 it's funny. And he's just like shait. 1092 00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:15.519 Oh my. 1093 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.760 But the star being was freaked him out, and so 1094 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.000 he didn't want to do it. He stopped doing it 1095 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:23.840 for a couple of weeks. And so I talked to 1096 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:26.440 some people and they're like, oh, that is his verse, 1097 00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:29.760 that is him, that is a version of his soul 1098 00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:34.079 that he's seeing. Oh, And so I talked to him 1099 00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.840 about that, because he'll see low level frequency stuff too, 1100 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.719 just at nighttime, not in my place, but in other places. 1101 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.840 So he's got some type of vision going on, but 1102 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.320 when the blindfolds on, he sees beautiful things. And once 1103 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:52.280 we talked about it that he doesn't have to be scared, 1104 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:53.920 and sometimes he does want to rip it off because 1105 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:57.159 he's freaked out. But it's all like positive stuff. It's 1106 00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.320 higher frequency stuff that he's seeing. It's pretty wild. 1107 00:55:59.719 --> 00:55:59.920 Wow. 1108 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:05.719 Wow, that's freaking awesome. And then people like to do 1109 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.519 four aco to experience some ship like this. But the 1110 00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.719 kids just like throwing a blindfold and he's off. 1111 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.440 And then he's running around the room in the blindfold 1112 00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.079 chasing these things whatever, like the fairies of like these 1113 00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:19.199 little beings or these It's. 1114 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:23.199 Hilarious the fact that he can run around like that 1115 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:25.719 because in those videos that I've seen too, these kids 1116 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:27.719 are throwing a ball back and forth and they're they're 1117 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:31.599 moving around and they're they're literally just operating within a 1118 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:35.239 physical you know, space and not not worried about running 1119 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.840 into something like that's just I mean, they're literally seeing 1120 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:39.760 without their eyes. Man. 1121 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.639 Oh, I wanted to tell you that. The So when 1122 00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:45.440 you start, so anyone who's watching this or if you 1123 00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.840 guys want to try this, but when you start, and 1124 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.400 sometimes you're going to see one little dot of light 1125 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.039 and it could be like sometimes it's over here or this, 1126 00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:57.800 So sometimes you might see videos of people like kind 1127 00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:59.920 of looking like this or like moving their head or 1128 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:05.960 like Ray Charles. Yeah, because there's like one point it's 1129 00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.280 like a little hole that they can see through it, 1130 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:12.840 and so it's not the whole vision yet. And a 1131 00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.280 lot of the kids do this too, and that this 1132 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.679 happened to me as well, where you kind of have 1133 00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:19.280 to focus on the on these little spots of light 1134 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:22.239 and then allow them to open and open and open, 1135 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.440 and maybe your field of view is only going to 1136 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:26.519 be like this big, so you kind of have to 1137 00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:29.920 look around almost like you're looking through a scope or something, right, 1138 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:34.199 And the more you practice them, we have to open, open, open, open, open, 1139 00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:36.320 until you get your full range of view. So if 1140 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.920 you see a little pinprick of light, a pinpoint of light, 1141 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.559 that's perfect. That's how you start. And you just keep 1142 00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:43.760 looking for them and focusing on that. 1143 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:46.679 What do you mean allow it to open? What would 1144 00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:49.440 you do in your mind to allow that hole to 1145 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:50.400 get bigger? 1146 00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:53.559 So what you would do is you would focus on 1147 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.119 that hole. So let's say it's like right here, right 1148 00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.159 on the mask, huh. So I would keep trying to 1149 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.000 look at something through that hole until I could figure 1150 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.519 out until I could see a color or a shape, 1151 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.159 because first you're only going to see color, right, there's 1152 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.800 only like enough data coming through there that it would 1153 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:15.039 be color usually, And then you just keep keep practice. 1154 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.840 The more you practice, the more color that you see, 1155 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:21.119 the more you kind of entrain yourself to be okay 1156 00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:24.679 with it, to accept that information, and then it just 1157 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:30.039 does start opening and getting bigger just by focusing on it. Okay, 1158 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:34.000 if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, focusing on it with 1159 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.719 your vision and then focusing on it with your mind 1160 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.280 as well, with your you know, like you're focusing on 1161 00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:39.679 something in. 1162 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:44.039 Meditation, mm hmm, yeah, because in meditation, I know you 1163 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.840 try that. Yeah, in meditation. I know for a fact 1164 00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:49.599 that I've had experiences where it looks like just something 1165 00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.199 is like you'll see like in not an or, but 1166 00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:57.239 like a blob of some shifting color and it'll kind 1167 00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.320 of like disappear and kind of zoom out into thing, 1168 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:02.360 and then it would kind of come back. And so 1169 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:04.639 I'm wondering if that's kind of kind of part of 1170 00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.159 it or something to do with that. 1171 00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:09.840 Maybe probably, Yeah, it's interesting. 1172 00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.320 So U all right, So let's say I'm gonna give 1173 00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:15.760 you an example right here. So let's say, all right, 1174 00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:19.559 I have this uh this way and dyer book shout out, 1175 00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:23.000 and let's say I turned it around. If are there 1176 00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.719 instances of people being able to see through the book 1177 00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:27.800 to see the title that is not facing them. 1178 00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:32.559 Yes, so the kids can generally, they can read through 1179 00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:38.840 the book. And often sometimes when in the early sessions 1180 00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:42.360 when you're training them, you're gonna say, point to a 1181 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:44.199 color or tell me a shape that you see and 1182 00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.320 you look at the book and and you never tell 1183 00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:50.199 them this that they're that there's not that color. But 1184 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.760 what you know, they'll say, oh, I see purple, and 1185 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.000 I see green, and I see red, and I see 1186 00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:58.119 an elephant or something. And you're like, okay, that's great, 1187 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.199 good job. You turn the page and then there there's 1188 01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:08.000 the elephant and the purple. So and they'll tell you 1189 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:09.599 they're like, oh yeah, and then then in the next 1190 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:11.480 page it's going to have this and this and that, 1191 01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.559 Like you can again go beyond normal sight. 1192 01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:19.119 So if you were to take this to the extreme level, 1193 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.800 could you hypothetically read an entire book without opening it, 1194 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.559 like page after page? Do you think that? I mean? 1195 01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:27.920 Is that too much? Is that a step too far? 1196 01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:30.320 Are there limitations on it, you think. 1197 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:33.360 Like that, I know that kids have done that with 1198 01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.960 children's books, so I would imagine that an adult who 1199 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.239 was proficient at at that could do it. 1200 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:44.239 Wow. Real, see this, This leads me to believe that 1201 01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:47.320 you're just you're just riding the wave of consciousness that's 1202 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:51.719 just outside of you, you know, because I can understand 1203 01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.840 if you're looking at something and you're kind of just 1204 01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.719 picking up and you're seeing, you're seeing it. But to 1205 01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:00.400 see something on the flip side, that's that that means 1206 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.840 you're kind of you're kind of everywhere. 1207 01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:06.000 And you're not bending. You're not bending this spoon. 1208 01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:09.039 Right, Yeah, exactly, dude. 1209 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:14.000 This is one of the coolest episodes we've ever had. 1210 01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:17.440 Like the amount of wild atness that is going on 1211 01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:19.639 right here. I love it. It only just makes me like 1212 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:21.840 want to do it even more. I think I'm gonna 1213 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.119 have to go get one of those mindfolds. How how 1214 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:26.880 much are those things on Amazon? Like twenty something bus something. 1215 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:31.239 Six hundred notes? So Amazon will rip you off big 1216 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.119 time because Amazon doesn't sell them. So just go to 1217 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.960 the mindfold website. If you buy a pack of ten, 1218 01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.840 it's like or twelve. Actually, I don't know why. It's 1219 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.360 like eight dollars, but otherwise if you buy one, it's 1220 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:45.719 about twenty bucks. 1221 01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:48.360 All right, we're gonna buy We're gonna buy eight of them. 1222 01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:50.599 Let's just let's just get eight of them. You know, 1223 01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.039 we'll send a couple out to the one. You know, 1224 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:54.719 I've got a whole bunch. 1225 01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:57.679 I'm happy to send you, guys, some that would really Yeah, 1226 01:01:58.239 --> 01:01:59.920 here I address I'll mail to you guys. 1227 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:01.880 Would actually mean more coming from you. 1228 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.360 Oh, absolutely definitely. Thanks. 1229 01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:06.559 I'll bless them with the sacred power of. 1230 01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:10.039 Put it on, look through it real quick, and then 1231 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:11.199 you know, send it out. 1232 01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:13.320 Dude, I'll tell you that's awesome. Like I'm gonna get 1233 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:18.159 addicted to this, like I can. I already a blindfold. 1234 01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.920 I'm gonna push it to the limits. You know, he's 1235 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:23.960 playing grand theft aut of. 1236 01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:26.519 Just seeing you at a red light, just waiting for 1237 01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:30.440 the light to change, just with your mindful Oh that's great. 1238 01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:33.880 Dude, Yeah, yeah, why not you know, try and see 1239 01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.960 how far you can push it. And that's that's such 1240 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.800 a crazy thing. And I would think that, man, if 1241 01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:42.880 people would be able to actually learn how to do this, 1242 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:46.679 this ability and not even necessarily learn how to do it, 1243 01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:49.719 but know for a fact that somebody that you trust 1244 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.480 is actually doing it and you see them doing it 1245 01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:55.039 in front of you. Wouldn't that just make you question 1246 01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:58.960 your entire damn reality. I Mean, everything you thought you 1247 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.360 knew is absolutely out the window now. 1248 01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:05.800 I question it every day, dude. That's my favorite. Yeah. 1249 01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:08.639 Yeah, And I have another video of Dahlia that I'm 1250 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:11.480 going to post probably tonight or tomorrow, but just just 1251 01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:15.280 watching like she's such a pro at it. She doesn't 1252 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:19.039 need any of the meditation time, she doesn't need the activations. 1253 01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:21.360 She can just it's just a natural part of her 1254 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:25.880 being a human, right right, It's integrated into her daily life. 1255 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.480 And imagine living like that, Like wow. 1256 01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.159 Yeah, that was my first question when Jonathan was talking 1257 01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:33.559 about her. Actually, I was like, well, did she have 1258 01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:35.440 to like meditate? Do they have to like cut the 1259 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.800 podcast let her get into her mode and then she 1260 01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:39.679 Cause I can see that that would be something you 1261 01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:42.079 would have to do, you know, really meditate, really relaxed 1262 01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:44.639 and kind of let go of the ego mind, you know, 1263 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:48.719 almost to really get into that ability. But yeah, that's 1264 01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:50.599 that's crazy to just kind of turn it on like 1265 01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.559 a light switch. Yeah, that's a trip. 1266 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.880 Is there something like whenever you're getting ready to set 1267 01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.760 yourself up for it? Like, do you have like a 1268 01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:02.119 time I'm limited in your mind? You're like, all right, 1269 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.960 I've meditated for twenty minutes, now I can try. Or 1270 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.320 I've meditated for thirty minutes, now I can try. Is 1271 01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:09.079 there something like that going on in your mind? 1272 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.039 So what I do is I'll start the meditation with 1273 01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:19.559 the mindfold on, and when I start seeing, I start seeing, 1274 01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.320 if that makes sense, Like, I'll just do my normal meditation. 1275 01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:27.480 I'll visualize the activations and the coherence between the heart 1276 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.000 and the crown of the brow, chakras and the crown 1277 01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:32.840 really and then as soon as I start to see, 1278 01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.239 sometimes i'll see the pinhole and then I'll just kind 1279 01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:41.119 of expand it, or I'll just usually in my room, 1280 01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:43.639 my bedroom, I'll just see the outline. I'll see like 1281 01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:46.239 the outline of the door and the walls and the 1282 01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:50.639 ceiling light stuff like that. And I'm trying to go 1283 01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:55.039 further than that obviously, but that's just you know, Yeah. 1284 01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:58.400 What do you think are the just on a personal level, 1285 01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.760 what do you think are your limiting things that are 1286 01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:03.639 going on there. I mean, is it kind of like 1287 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:05.679 a battle between the left brain and the right brain 1288 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.159 that's going on in your mind, Like whenever you get 1289 01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:09.840 stuck and you're like, man, I know I can see 1290 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:11.960 more than this. There are other people I see kids 1291 01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:15.599 doing it, like I need to try and tighten that 1292 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.079 vision up. Like what goes on in your mind? Like 1293 01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:19.960 do you think that there are some kind of mental 1294 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:22.920 blockages somewhere for that or or what do you think 1295 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:23.400 is going on? 1296 01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:27.079 I would have no doubt that there are blockages. I 1297 01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:30.599 think part of my practice as an energy worker is 1298 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:36.760 to release blockages and limiting beliefs, right, detrimental beliefs. So 1299 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:39.280 I generally kind of tune in and say, okay, you know, 1300 01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:41.920 is there any belief that's blocking me from seeing today? 1301 01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:44.440 You know, do I need to release something? Or you 1302 01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:47.039 can bring in a belief, You can download a belief 1303 01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:49.079 like yes I can see without my eyes or I 1304 01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:52.360 have complete vision. So that has helped a lot too. 1305 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:56.239 I think releasing those but I think it's just training 1306 01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.719 my brain right now at this point, just getting it 1307 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.119 used to it, because we do like let's say, when 1308 01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:04.920 you don't use your body and you at night when 1309 01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:07.320 you leave your body or you go and astral travel, 1310 01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:10.639 you just don't remember it, right because you're not necessarily 1311 01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.639 using your brain, And so because the brain's more like 1312 01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:16.639 a processor, and it helps us ground into this three D. 1313 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.320 And if so, this practice uses both so that we 1314 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.039 can use it in the three D, we can access it, 1315 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:25.519 we can remember what we're seeing and things like that. 1316 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:28.360 So that's really I think what my hurdle is. Maybe 1317 01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:31.280 I'm wrong, Maybe that's also limiting belief, and I need 1318 01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:33.039 to work through that. But that's kind of where I 1319 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:33.639 am right now. 1320 01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:36.320 So is that like you think that that's actually and 1321 01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:39.159 I'm very open minded to all this, but like whenever 1322 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:41.159 you go to go to sleep at night and you 1323 01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:44.800 dream like and I've and we've heard you know, many 1324 01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.039 people say this before, but just in your opinion, do 1325 01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:50.719 you believe that every time you dream you are is 1326 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.239 it an astral travel? I mean, because there's sometimes where 1327 01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:56.719 I'm like, I'm sure I asked you traveled, like, I 1328 01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.280 don't question it. I know that I went somewhere, I 1329 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.000 was talking to people I knew, like it was as 1330 01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:05.079 real as real. You know, sometimes you get dreams like that, 1331 01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:07.800 and then other times, especially like if you're watching a 1332 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:10.079 show or a movie or something like that. Well, for 1333 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:13.119 me anyway, like rate before I go to sleep, those 1334 01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:16.880 characters that were in that movie appear in my dream. 1335 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:18.840 So then it's like, ah, maybe it is just my 1336 01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:22.119 subconscious you know, Like what do you think about all that? 1337 01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:26.079 I think? I think everything could be true at the 1338 01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:32.079 same time. So we're processing data, right, we're also experiencing 1339 01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:34.320 some type of energetic reality that may not have a 1340 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:38.159 visual that the brain is bringing things in as representation. 1341 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:43.480 So you know, a lot of I forget who said this, 1342 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:47.280 but like living on Earth in the three D is 1343 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:51.840 it's all representational, it's all symbolic. It's a symbolic experience. 1344 01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:55.239 Everything is energy. It doesn't necessarily have a visual. So 1345 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.800 anything visual that we have is an interpretation of energy. 1346 01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:01.480 And if that means that, like you know, like with 1347 01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:04.639 the QHHT, some people might see scenes from a film 1348 01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:07.239 or it might seem like a movie to them, and 1349 01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:11.519 that's totally okay, right, because that's just how we're interpreting 1350 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:13.920 that energy, and that's all that that means, I think. 1351 01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.720 You know, And that would have sounded crazy before, but 1352 01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:19.159 a few months ago we had one of our our 1353 01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:22.439 regular guests on the show Optimistic Banks and and he 1354 01:08:22.600 --> 01:08:25.479 was like, you know, he's somebody that kind of brought 1355 01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:30.279 us the idea of like pantheism and panpsychism, and you know, 1356 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:33.479 I am everything, Everything is me. There's only one consciousness 1357 01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:37.000 kind of thing, right, And whenever he did that, he said, 1358 01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.279 you know, one thing that you can try is that 1359 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.960 people will try and you know they're trying to understand 1360 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.399 and interpret your dreams. Whenever you go to sleep at night, 1361 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:47.359 you know, and you wake up and what did that mean? 1362 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:49.600 My teeth? My teeth are falling out. And so then 1363 01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:52.000 you interpret it in whatever the dream interpreter kind of 1364 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.079 way is. And he mentioned, he goes, you know, you 1365 01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:57.319 can actually do that in reality too, like if something crazy, 1366 01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:00.479 like something big or whatever happens to you and life, 1367 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:03.520 put it into a dream interpreter, or ask a dream interpreter. 1368 01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:06.880 Of course, there's like dream interpreter ais now that actually 1369 01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:10.079 do a pretty damn good job of it. And and 1370 01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:12.039 so I was like, oh, let me, let me put 1371 01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:15.199 that to the test. And the first thing that happened 1372 01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:18.039 that was like striking out of nowhere. I wasn't expecting it. 1373 01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:20.079 What does this mean? Why do I deserve this kind 1374 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:22.720 of thing? Right, like not necessarily going into the poor 1375 01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.680 me mentality, but fuck, why did I have to see that, 1376 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.319 you know, one of those things? And and I put 1377 01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:31.720 it in the dream interpreter. Dude, it was spot on 1378 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:33.920 with what was going on in my life as to 1379 01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:36.359 why that thing happened to me in real life. So 1380 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:40.239 even and whenever I saw that, I was like, oh, 1381 01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:42.720 all of this is a dream then, you know, like 1382 01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:46.760 that's what it makes you think? Wow, so wild man. 1383 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:49.800 So and that's actually I like to think of this 1384 01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:53.680 reality as a dream actually, like I mean, not necessarily 1385 01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.359 a dream. Maybe it is kind of like a dream dream, 1386 01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:59.760 but like you know, maybe there's just not a word 1387 01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:04.000 for But I'm more and more every day I think 1388 01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:07.840 we're coming to the you know, the point of understanding 1389 01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:10.399 that this reality is a lot more malleable than what 1390 01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:11.119 we once thought. 1391 01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.520 Yeah, it's like we're you know, many people have said this, 1392 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:19.159 but it's we're a spiritual being having a physical experience, 1393 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:21.479 not a physical being having a spiritual experience. Right. 1394 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:25.279 Yeah, And when you go when you go back to 1395 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:28.039 you know, the idea or the fact that we are 1396 01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:30.199 really limited as far as what we can see. I 1397 01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:33.479 think it's like point zero zero three percent of the 1398 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:35.640 light spectrum and everything else, and so and then it 1399 01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:38.199 gets you to think like, oh, okay, so we're just 1400 01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:41.680 in one little tiny sliver of of what it really 1401 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:43.800 all is, you know, when you look at it that way, 1402 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:45.720 and it's like oh, you know, and then you got 1403 01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.600 people seeing without their eyes, you know what I mean. 1404 01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:51.039 And then it's like now what now? What now? 1405 01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:54.920 And you kind of like glaze over the conversation even, 1406 01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:57.760 you know, because you know, people will say like, do 1407 01:10:57.800 --> 01:10:59.720 you believe that the Earth is round? Or is it flat? 1408 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.039 And like, dude, it's both and neither. I think, like 1409 01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:06.439 that's that's really it's whatever you think it is, you. 1410 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.640 Know, matter maybe in your reality it is, you know, 1411 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:11.640 it is one way or together. 1412 01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.760 Yes, I'm on board with that, you know, Like sure, 1413 01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:18.760 I I think in my mind, in my world view, 1414 01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:20.960 it's a sphere, you know what I mean, it's a 1415 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:23.079 it's a planet just like the other planets. You can 1416 01:11:23.159 --> 01:11:26.319 look out and see. But that doesn't mean that everybody 1417 01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:29.079 has to abide by my belief, you know what I mean. 1418 01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:31.800 And so that goes for everybody else in any regard 1419 01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.079 anything you're talking about, right, Yeah. 1420 01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:38.039 And maybe in a different dimensional perception of the planet 1421 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.800 it is flat. Who knows, right, I don't know exactly. 1422 01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:44.199 Like, yeah, I mean I don't plan on going up 1423 01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:47.079 high enough to be able to find out personally, you know, 1424 01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:49.560 it would be awesome. I'd be down with it, but uh, 1425 01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:50.079 you know. 1426 01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:52.199 Don't don't go too high because then you bump into 1427 01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:53.239 the firmament, you. 1428 01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:58.760 Know, yeah, like the waters above and whatnot. Right, right, So, actually, 1429 01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:01.520 I do want to play a couple of videos if 1430 01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.279 you're okay with that of Dahlia to kind of show 1431 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:07.720 some new listeners. And I had a couple of them 1432 01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:11.239 saved that I just sent over to my Instagram. But look, 1433 01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:12.960 if you want to be able to see all of 1434 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.840 these videos, yes, we do put it up on YouTube, 1435 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.159 So if you go to YouTube dot com slash Metamistics, 1436 01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:21.319 you'll be able to see all of the video and everything. 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You're probably not gonna mention it 1458 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:17.760 to your parents or anything. God knows. You can't you know, 1459 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:19.920 talk to your grandparents about it, because they might be 1460 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:21.920 so stuck in their own ways and they're gonna think 1461 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:23.720 that you're crazy what you think you can see without 1462 01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:24.239 your eyes? 1463 01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:24.520 Ah? 1464 01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:28.560 Right, who fed this kid drugs right, like, you know 1465 01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:30.840 what I mean. And so if you want to be 1466 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:34.880 met with open arms rather than judgment, then that that 1467 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:36.560 that would be the best place to go. So yeah, 1468 01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:38.920 go check it out. But yeah, here we go. This 1469 01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:41.439 is uh. I have two of them that I found 1470 01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:45.039 very interesting. This is from the Danny Jones podcast. And 1471 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:46.479 so here we go. 1472 01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:50.720 Let's see condition myself to not see with and I 1473 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:53.239 do that on purpose to make sure that it's totally 1474 01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:56.479 covering my eyes. You could condition yourself to see through 1475 01:13:56.479 --> 01:13:59.079 the patches too. Oh man, I hope I could do this, 1476 01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:01.560 and hope I'm not gonna care right now. No, not 1477 01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:05.199 right now. I hope I can. When I put on 1478 01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:05.840 the blindfold. 1479 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:07.920 The blindfold helps. Huh. 1480 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:16.359 Yeah, let's see what happens. Okay, yeah, I can. It's 1481 01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:18.439 halfway open, so I can. I can still see. 1482 01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:19.439 You can still see? 1483 01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:20.399 Yeah, I can still see. 1484 01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:23.079 Okay. How many fingers am I holding out? 1485 01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:24.279 Four? 1486 01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:27.279 How many fingers am I holding up? Now? 1487 01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:28.119 It's one? 1488 01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:28.520 Yeah. 1489 01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:29.840 The windows are kind of small. 1490 01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:31.640 Yeah, right, you're right, Okay, I got I got a 1491 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:35.359 stock of books here, okay that you have not seen there. 1492 01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:36.960 I'm gonna see it under the desk, come on. 1493 01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:40.960 Open, oh open, yay, okay, all right, okay, hopefully I 1494 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:45.760 can see. Okay, let's do it. So this says area 1495 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:51.079 fifty one. It says, what is that uncensored? 1496 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:51.640 Uh? 1497 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:53.920 What did that say? Something? 1498 01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:55.239 Top secret military base. 1499 01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:56.840 Yep, that's right. 1500 01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:02.399 Okay. 1501 01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:10.000 So this one is windows open, says mother of God. Okay, 1502 01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:13.800 it's starting open more. I'm starting to see on both 1503 01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:18.079 sides now, yes, yes, yes, okay, perfect, yay. Condition myself 1504 01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:22.199 to not see, and I do that on purpose, man. 1505 01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:24.800 And that's just the beginning. And then there it goes 1506 01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:29.000 even farther, dude, And this is the the part two 1507 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:30.279 of it where he's really. 1508 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:32.920 Talking about I'm sorry, she's talking about the window opening. 1509 01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:35.239 It's like what Jamie was saying. It's like, oh she was, 1510 01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:38.159 and she was almost doubting herself even knowing, like even 1511 01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:42.119 her ability here. She was like questioning herself, you know. 1512 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:47.520 And the windows are like the little pinholes, right, yeah, 1513 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.239 all right, let's check out the second one. 1514 01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:53.760 Yeah, it's a weird word. So this might be h okay, 1515 01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:54.479 this will test you. 1516 01:15:54.720 --> 01:16:04.319 This one says Satan set to neaon okay, And that 1517 01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:08.439 says chaos. Charles Manson if. 1518 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:09.880 You read it through your fingers. 1519 01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:12.680 She said it before you is behind your head? 1520 01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:14.720 Would you be able to see it right now? 1521 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:15.600 Not so good? 1522 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:18.159 I could see the like yeah, the wind, the back windows. 1523 01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:19.840 I can see colors and shapes the best right now 1524 01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:20.960 because I don't use them enough. 1525 01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:23.960 This one is gonna be super easy for you. 1526 01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:30.479 Okay, it says sell. It says uh shadow. Wait wait 1527 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:32.880 wait yeah shadow and cell shadow. 1528 01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:39.279 So I don't know how the hell that just happened? 1529 01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:43.399 Wait wait wait can I I could just tell you? 1530 01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:43.640 What? 1531 01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:44.720 Can I can I touch? 1532 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:46.640 Can she see this screen here? 1533 01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:49.520 I got an idea. I bought this, So this is 1534 01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:52.319 one I bought. I bought this one on on Amazon. 1535 01:16:52.359 --> 01:16:54.079 So throw this one on top of it, so we 1536 01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:56.479 know you didn't bring this one with you. I bought 1537 01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:57.359 this one on Amazon. 1538 01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:00.720 What are we talking about? Are you talking about another mask? 1539 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:03.800 Yeah? This is another mask? Yeah yeah, we gotta, you know, 1540 01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:06.720 do everything we can to make sure that there's no 1541 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:12.840 funny business going on here, Dahlia. Try this, okay, right 1542 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:13.279 in front of you. 1543 01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:16.199 Okay, that's better. 1544 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:16.880 It's upside down. 1545 01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:23.039 Okay, all right, So I got this screen up here, 1546 01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:25.359 and I'll just okay, he's gonna ten some words, he'll 1547 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:26.039 type something in. 1548 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:30.359 There's a screen to your right, here's a type yet. 1549 01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:39.840 Okay, Hi Dahlia, my gosh, oh my god, big flower. 1550 01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:44.159 Well all right, this one was pretty tight too. This 1551 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:45.520 one was like squeezing my head? 1552 01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:49.960 Wow? And yeah, do you think I could be able 1553 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:51.800 to learn how to do that? Oh? Everybody can? 1554 01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:53.039 How do I do it? 1555 01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:54.000 Well? 1556 01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:58.760 This the main the main secret that that I didn't 1557 01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:02.399 realize until I went into the seminar. The main secret 1558 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:09.159 is light. So when you're first opening, like once, once 1559 01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:11.199 you're open, so you nor how I said, I was 1560 01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:12.840 doing a dark walk and I was walking in the 1561 01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:14.600 dark all the time, and all I saw was like 1562 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.680 the outlines, which was cool, it was really awesome, but 1563 01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:20.640 I was like, why can't I see colors and shapes 1564 01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:24.239 and all that stuff? And so finally, once you put 1565 01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:27.000 it so you'll see when we're kind of teaching it, 1566 01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:30.079 you see that we put a flashlight in you, and 1567 01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:35.039 that's what activates it. Or going outside, you know, you 1568 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:36.600 might need to be around people that can do it 1569 01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:39.840 just to have the belief strong enough, but that's what 1570 01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:42.199 activates it at first. 1571 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:46.920 Dude, all right, I'm a believer I'm saying, I'm on board. 1572 01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:51.000 I'm on board. I'm gonna get my blindfold and our 1573 01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.119 next few meditations. Dude, I'm just gonna be I'm putting 1574 01:18:54.119 --> 01:18:56.520 the blindfold on for the meditations, you know, we get them. 1575 01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:58.680 I think from now on, I'll just be using that. 1576 01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:02.960 Speaking of the meta meditations, Jamie, whenever you're meditating and 1577 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:04.960 you're trying to get into that zone where you know 1578 01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:07.640 that little window starts to appear, are you listening to 1579 01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:13.039 meditation music? I never listened to any anything, just sitting 1580 01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:13.720 in silence. 1581 01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.880 Oh yeah, that's just how. I not to say that, 1582 01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:18.840 it's the only way, for sure, It's just how I 1583 01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:19.159 do it. 1584 01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:21.479 I just wonder if it would affect it at all, 1585 01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:24.039 you know. And the only reason I ask is, you know, 1586 01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:27.520 we we whenever we meditate, we typically listen to I mean, 1587 01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:29.680 we listened to just about everything. We've listened to the 1588 01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:32.079 Gateway tape, so listen to four hundred and thirty two herds. 1589 01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:35.159 We listen to all the different you know, sofigio frequencies, 1590 01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:38.359 and sometimes it's a guided meditation. I just wonder if 1591 01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:42.760 that that that frequency that is kind of surrounding the 1592 01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:46.279 room or just in your headphones or whatever would affect 1593 01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:48.479 what you're seeing in your vision at all. 1594 01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:52.399 That's a great question. I don't know. I would experiment 1595 01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:55.560 with that. I would see what works for you. But 1596 01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:58.359 what Dahlias said about the light is very true. Like 1597 01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:03.640 we we only train the kids during the day, and 1598 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:06.760 there has to be sunlight in the room. You can't 1599 01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:09.920 have closed blinds. You have to have them face the sun. 1600 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:11.960 And then in the training, I also use like a 1601 01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:17.000 super bright RGB light okay, and I can switch it 1602 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:19.199 with my phone, right so I'll just be switching it 1603 01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:23.359 different colors and it's so bright, but you cannot see 1604 01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:27.199 it through the you know, through the blindfold. 1605 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:29.880 But you will see I promise you. 1606 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:32.439 Like if you if you just meditate for like a 1607 01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:35.920 couple of minutes before you put that blindfold on and 1608 01:20:35.960 --> 01:20:38.079 you put the pads in there, just to be sure, 1609 01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:41.439 you'll start to see color pretty fast. 1610 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:42.199 Does it. 1611 01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:44.560 Does it almost feel like you're guessing when you first 1612 01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:48.920 see it, No, like it's a you see it that 1613 01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:49.840 with the colors. 1614 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:54.560 Yes, as she's saying, like the detail like she was saying, 1615 01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:57.159 sometimes you see the outlines first, and then the light 1616 01:20:57.239 --> 01:20:59.560 really starts to bring the color in and then when 1617 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:01.640 you combine those two, when you start to kind of 1618 01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:04.760 your brain starts to put all the pieces together. That's 1619 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:07.680 when you can start seeing the detail and the reading 1620 01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:11.119 the letters and things like that. But light is the 1621 01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:12.319 fastest way to activate. 1622 01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:15.319 All right, I'm gonna get the light bulb next time 1623 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:17.159 you come over. Dude, we're doing. 1624 01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:17.960 This, Yeah we are. 1625 01:21:18.199 --> 01:21:21.159 Yeah, one of us will be switching the light the 1626 01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:23.399 color to the light. Oh yeah, we're doing it. 1627 01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:26.560 Oh yeah, there's no reason not to try it, you know. 1628 01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:29.880 And man, it's so so interesting, and I almost wonder, 1629 01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:33.760 is this is this almost like training to go out 1630 01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:34.279 of body? 1631 01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:34.680 You know? 1632 01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:37.640 Is this like the first step in trying to train 1633 01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:40.079 to have an out of body experience or to ask 1634 01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:40.680 or project? 1635 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:44.000 I think I think it is. I think it's not 1636 01:21:44.079 --> 01:21:47.000 the only way, but I think that it is. A 1637 01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:49.039 lot of people do take it to the next level. 1638 01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:52.119 And the kids anyway, and they'll be they're able to 1639 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:56.720 like go somewhere else or remote view perfectly. Not like 1640 01:21:56.800 --> 01:22:01.880 remote view like that you're maybe familiar with where they 1641 01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:04.479 kind of get ideas and pictures and stuff, but remote 1642 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:07.279 view as if they are literally there right. 1643 01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:10.600 Well, that brings up the thought. Then, So you had 1644 01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:14.560 mentioned about how your son was seeing like these other beings, right, 1645 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:18.560 you know, whether they be little leprechauns or whatever they are. Right, 1646 01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:23.239 I mean, if if you are able to see that, 1647 01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:28.359 does that automatically allow you to hear the things that 1648 01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:32.000 are being seen? Now, so let's say he he tries 1649 01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.800 to conversate with one of these things, whatever it is, 1650 01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:37.920 would it would he be able to hear them say 1651 01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:39.640 something by being in this state. 1652 01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:43.920 I've asked him that because when they were really annoying 1653 01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:46.439 him and they just kept putting stuff on his books, 1654 01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:50.319 I said, can you talk to them? I said, tell 1655 01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:53.920 them to please stop, and he said, please stop, please 1656 01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:55.760 stop playing with my book. I want to I want 1657 01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:58.760 to read the book. And he said that they would 1658 01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:01.920 just they would talk, but he couldn't hear them, and 1659 01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:03.600 that they would just shake their head no and not 1660 01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:08.079 laugh at him. Wow, But he couldn't hear the laughing. 1661 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:10.760 He said that he saw them laughing, and he saw 1662 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.039 them shake their head, but at least at this point 1663 01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:14.920 he said that he cannot hear them. 1664 01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:16.720 So I don't know, maybe. 1665 01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:17.319 It's a different skill. 1666 01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:19.800 I almost wonder now if you put some ear muffs 1667 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:21.640 on them, you know, like some whenever you go to 1668 01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.199 like the Monster Truck Show. You know those those kind 1669 01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:27.359 of noise reducing ear ear muffs. If you put that on, 1670 01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:29.880 while you have that on, maybe does that open. 1671 01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:32.079 Up this Ah, that's interesting. 1672 01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:35.000 I love that. That's great progression there. 1673 01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:36.439 Yeah, why not try it? 1674 01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:36.680 You know? 1675 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:42.039 And that's yeah, I'm definitely trying I'm trying it tonight. Well, 1676 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.479 but I'm definitely gonna try it. Whenever you send those 1677 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:48.319 those those face shields, man, that is going to be 1678 01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:49.840 so much fun. 1679 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.239 Yeah, like I can't. That'd be great, dude, That'd be 1680 01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:58.239 so a whole box of them. So oh we appreciate it, man, Yeah, 1681 01:23:58.239 --> 01:23:58.960 of course, dude. 1682 01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:00.880 Yeah, I'm actually, uh, I'm going to be going over 1683 01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:03.760 to Shawn's house here in like a month or maybe 1684 01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:07.800 three weeks or something like that. Yeah, it'll be happening. 1685 01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:09.159 It'll definitely going down. 1686 01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:11.760 It's happening. We will be doing some weird shit like that. 1687 01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:13.960 You know, that's just how we get down. Jonathan was 1688 01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:16.399 walking around the house with his with his eyes closed already, 1689 01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:18.760 you know, I mean before talking to you, and now 1690 01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:21.000 now we just know we can do it. So now 1691 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:22.439 it's like there's no hurdle now. 1692 01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:24.760 Yeah, and you heard Dalia say like she couldn't do 1693 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:27.680 it unless she was blindfolded, right, So some people they 1694 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:29.920 need that, yeah, blocking. 1695 01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:31.439 And that scene. And that's exactly what I was thinking 1696 01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:33.119 about when you said you were gonna send us some 1697 01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:35.159 And just because you're sending them to us and we've 1698 01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:36.720 already talked to you and we've already kind of have 1699 01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:39.479 like this personal relationship just just talking to each other. 1700 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:42.600 Dad's going to give me some extra bit of belief 1701 01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:45.119 as soon as the blindfold goes on, you know, because 1702 01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:46.680 if you close your eyes, you're like, yeah, but that 1703 01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:48.760 I'm not really doing it, you know. But if you 1704 01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.279 have the actual blindfold, I feel like I feel like 1705 01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:52.439 that adds a little something. 1706 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:55.840 Yeah, I'd love to hear what you will do. I'm 1707 01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.840 sure it'll be, Oh, we'll be talking about pretty fast. 1708 01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:01.680 Yeah, we'll be talking as we start seeing stuff. I 1709 01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:03.800 will be trying to explain that to the best of 1710 01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:05.399 my ability. But I feel like you did a great 1711 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:08.279 job explaining the little window and the little pinhole and 1712 01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:10.439 how it kind of just opens up and I can 1713 01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:11.600 imagine that already. 1714 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:13.880 So yeah, and you and you might have to go 1715 01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:15.720 like this and like look around and kind of aim 1716 01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:18.640 that pinhole wherever you need to look. And that's cool. 1717 01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:22.279 That's how you start, right Yeah, dude, you know what, 1718 01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.359 Now it's got me thinking, like, what what would happen 1719 01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:29.359 if you were to go into a deprivation tank with it, 1720 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:32.439 you know, like to where you can't see, you can't hear, 1721 01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:36.279 you can't feel. I mean, it is completely nothingness inside 1722 01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:38.159 of those deprivation tanks. I haven't tried it yet. 1723 01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.079 Now you're just going to be remote viewing, yeah, you know, 1724 01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:42.960 because then there's nothing to look at in front of you, 1725 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:45.199 and so you probably would be seeing something. 1726 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:47.680 That's dude, and just a way and just go in 1727 01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:49.960 there and have a member of the staff like walk 1728 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.760 around and make little hand gestures or something like that 1729 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:55.359 and really freaking out and you can say, I can 1730 01:25:55.399 --> 01:25:57.720 see you flipping me off, all right, I can see 1731 01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.960 you just really fuck with her, you know. 1732 01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:02.039 Right, So we need you to get on this. We 1733 01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:04.520 need you to go and do some tests just see 1734 01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:05.880 what you can make happen, you know what I mean, 1735 01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:08.159 no pressure, but I think you. 1736 01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:10.840 Can do it. These are fun experiments like that. You 1737 01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:12.399 get some good content with that stuff. 1738 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:14.720 Absolutely, that would be fun. 1739 01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:18.680 Yeah, dude, Well, look, this was such a fascinating time. 1740 01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:23.720 I mean very very literally eye opening and loved this 1741 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:26.039 conversation and would love to keep on following you on 1742 01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:29.159 your journey, and you know, maybe after a little while, 1743 01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:31.279 you know, we we get you to jump back on 1744 01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:33.479 here and see if there's any more progress or any 1745 01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:37.680 more stories or any more star ethereal beings that are 1746 01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:41.880 being seen or something like that. Yeah, so look before 1747 01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:45.239 we kind of roll out here, Sean, what is that card? 1748 01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:48.119 Sir? Oh you know what, dude, I was so fascinated 1749 01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:51.560 with the conversation. I didn't even didn't even pull one, dude. 1750 01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:54.199 That's just how That's okay, Well. 1751 01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:56.039 I'll start I'll start doing my things. Yeah. 1752 01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:59.199 In the meantime, Jamie, would you mind telling everybody where 1753 01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:02.279 they can find you and all of your content and everything, sir. 1754 01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:06.239 Absolutely, Thank you so much, Jonathan and Shawn, So you 1755 01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:08.720 can find me on TikTok. A lot of my videos 1756 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:11.520 about this kind of stuff stuff are on TikTok, and 1757 01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:14.520 that's at Jamie star Walker. And then also I do 1758 01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.600 remote sessions and in person sessions. I've an office in 1759 01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:21.800 the DC area, and you can find more information about 1760 01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:24.880 that my bio what I do Prodigyhealing dot. 1761 01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:27.720 Com Perfect Perfect and we're gonna put all that down 1762 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:29.920 in the show notes below. Anybody wants a hyperlink to 1763 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.479 just be able to go and find you and all 1764 01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:34.920 your great work. Highly suggest everybody listening to go and 1765 01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:37.640 check out at least go check out as TikTok because 1766 01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:41.079 very very insightful kind of things. I love the conversation 1767 01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:44.159 that you bring over there, and yeah, it's kind of 1768 01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:47.199 what drew me to you. I was like, I, this 1769 01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:49.800 guy seems very knowledgeable about what he's talking about, and 1770 01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:53.119 this is something that we've been so fascinating for or 1771 01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:56.319 fascinated for for quite some time. And so yeah, we 1772 01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.399 really really appreciate you coming and sharing some of the 1773 01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:02.680 mold and how to do it and stuff like that. 1774 01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:04.880 It's it's been great my pleasure. 1775 01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:08.079 I love your podcast and I'm a recent discover of it, 1776 01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:10.800 but you guys do a great Jobank you for doing 1777 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:11.199 what you do. 1778 01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:14.079 I really appreciate that. I appreciate that. Man, you know 1779 01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:16.880 what I was thinking too, because we have a buddy 1780 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:20.520 of ours that his name is Nick, and he sees 1781 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:22.640 things in the skuys and and he talks about it 1782 01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:24.560 and talks about the Pleadians and this and that. And 1783 01:28:24.680 --> 01:28:28.239 after he came and visited us and he showed us, 1784 01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:31.600 and once we started seeing it, now we Jonathan and 1785 01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:34.760 I have both had our own experiences, you know, just 1786 01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:37.920 by ourselves, you know, just because we've already had that experience. 1787 01:28:37.960 --> 01:28:40.439 And so I feel like, Jamie, you're one of those 1788 01:28:40.479 --> 01:28:43.680 people that's it's, you know, going to give us that 1789 01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.840 belief that we can see without our eyes, you can out. 1790 01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:49.039 I honestly believe. 1791 01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:50.520 That, yeah, yeah, same here. 1792 01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:50.920 Yeah. 1793 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.880 And and he was a you know, seeing like these 1794 01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:55.960 wild orbs up in the sky and we would be 1795 01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.279 so jealous and he would I mean, at first we 1796 01:28:58.319 --> 01:28:59.600 thought that he was kind of full of shit. I'm 1797 01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:01.640 gonna be really with you, like, all right, you're seeing 1798 01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:05.399 fucking Pleadians in the skyborough like they're communicating with you. 1799 01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:09.279 You resiven downloads, all right, buddy. And you know, obviously 1800 01:29:09.319 --> 01:29:11.600 we didn't you know, treat him disrespectfully. That was just 1801 01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:13.600 kind of like what was going on on on the inside, 1802 01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:16.720 you know. And then he comes and shows us in person. 1803 01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:20.960 He came to show me and my my my other 1804 01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:24.399 co host on my conspiracy show, and then actually had 1805 01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:27.920 a work visit out in Shawn's area, went and showed 1806 01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:30.159 Sean and so we both were able to see it. 1807 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:33.520 And literally ever since then, I mean, I can't tell 1808 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:36.520 you how many times I've seen these orb things in 1809 01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:39.720 the sky that I swear I have never seen before 1810 01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:43.199 I met Nick. It just doesn't I'm like, so, what's 1811 01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:46.119 really going on. Is it like my consciousness has accepted 1812 01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:48.680 that this is a possibility, or was I just not 1813 01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:51.239 looking close enough? You know, Maybe it's a little bit 1814 01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:52.039 of all of it. I don't know. 1815 01:29:52.119 --> 01:29:55.960 Well, see to say something about that, as far as 1816 01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.279 you not seeing them before, Like I used to look 1817 01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:02.640 all the time at the sky, like I was always 1818 01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:04.600 you know, I worked at night, so even when I 1819 01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:06.760 was driving sometimes where I'd be at work and just 1820 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:09.680 looking up having a smoke break or whatever. Dude, I 1821 01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:12.880 looked at the sky so for so many years. And 1822 01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:15.560 then right after, you know, having that experience, all of 1823 01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:17.479 a sudden, it's just different, dude. So I just feel 1824 01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.039 like it's always been there. It's just like you said, 1825 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:23.119 your your belief and your ability to perceive it as 1826 01:30:23.159 --> 01:30:24.720 just the window opened up. 1827 01:30:25.119 --> 01:30:25.640 Yeah. 1828 01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:28.479 Yeah, so I got the tarot card. If you guys 1829 01:30:28.479 --> 01:30:30.520 are ready, let's go. And I think it's pretty cool. 1830 01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:32.279 I got chills as soon as I saw it, and 1831 01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:35.359 I think you'll know why. But it's the Magician with 1832 01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:37.640 the with the infinity. 1833 01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:39.840 iNFiNiT Get the. 1834 01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:41.119 Fuck out of here, dude. 1835 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:46.079 Yeah what, I got chills due, And it's so funny. 1836 01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:48.439 I was literally wearing the Magician shirt earlier today. 1837 01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:50.479 Yeah, yeah, ship. 1838 01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:55.760 So the Magician has the power of the four elements Earth, air, fire, 1839 01:30:55.840 --> 01:30:58.439 and water. Combined with their connection to the divine, they 1840 01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:01.640 were able to create unlimited abundance in the physical realm. 1841 01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:04.039 Now that the fool has taken the leap into the unknown, 1842 01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:06.680 he meets the Magician and learns that the power of 1843 01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:09.520 the universe is within him to create his own reality. 1844 01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:14.479 A robe figure stands with a wand in one hand 1845 01:31:14.520 --> 01:31:17.279 pointed toward the sky and the other hand pointed at 1846 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:20.600 the ground. The infinity symbol and body posture represent the 1847 01:31:20.640 --> 01:31:24.680 Magician's connection between the spiritual and physical realms. On the 1848 01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:28.319 table are items representing the four elemental suits or is 1849 01:31:28.359 --> 01:31:31.840 it suits? Yeah? The wand for fire, a pinnacle for earth, 1850 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:34.159 the sword for air, and the cup for water. These 1851 01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:36.800 were the contents of the fool's bendle. By drawing upon 1852 01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:39.399 the powers of the elements and the help of the divine, 1853 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:42.119 the magician serves as a conduit with the power to 1854 01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:45.560 give form to the formless by transforming intentions into actions 1855 01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:50.079 to achieve physical results. The flowers and vegetation symbolizes connection 1856 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:53.279 to nature and signify that purity and passion are both 1857 01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:57.560 essential to the creation process. With divine assistance, all things 1858 01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:01.880 are possible. Spiritual message behind it says you are coming 1859 01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:05.119 into your power by working with nature and spirit. Drawing 1860 01:32:05.159 --> 01:32:08.880 this card signifies deepening your spiritual practice and co creating 1861 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:14.239 your reality with the universe. Let's go perfect representation for 1862 01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:17.439 this episode, right, It just happens every time. That's why 1863 01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:21.119 we continue to do it. Hello, so so cool. 1864 01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:23.520 As soon as I saw the infinity symbol, I was like, oh, 1865 01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:26.159 my God, of course, yeah, of course there's something. 1866 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:28.800 And that's the kind of the crazy thing about you know, 1867 01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:32.199 diving into spirituality and consciousness and understanding about all this 1868 01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:36.039 kind of magic. After a while, you know, you would think, ah, 1869 01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:39.720 you know, like the crazy coincidental things. You would think 1870 01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:42.439 that eventually you come you kind of become numb to 1871 01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:44.319 it that it's not going to shock you anymore. But 1872 01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:46.680 the beautiful thing about it is is that it's just 1873 01:32:46.720 --> 01:32:51.720 as shocking every single synchronicity, every single coincidence or whatever 1874 01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:53.760 you want to call it. And I think having you 1875 01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:56.520 on the show and then getting the magician card, I 1876 01:32:56.560 --> 01:33:00.199 mean still blows my mind. I mean it's just so 1877 01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:01.119 so cold. 1878 01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:03.119 That that was awesome. 1879 01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:07.279 Yeah, well look, Jamie, this was so much fun. Thank 1880 01:33:07.319 --> 01:33:09.399 you for coming to hang out with us. Like we said, 1881 01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:11.840 we definitely want to do it again, and uh, we 1882 01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:15.760 really appreciate you coming to hang out with us. So yeah, 1883 01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:18.439 I mean, do you have any any parting words that 1884 01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:19.800 you would like to give the listeners? Sir? 1885 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:22.840 It was so great to meet both of you. Thank 1886 01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:26.760 you for also just being positive male role models on 1887 01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:29.760 the internet. There's a lot of nonsense out there right now, 1888 01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:33.560 so thank you both for really bringing like healed masculinity 1889 01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:37.399 to the internet. We open mindedness, we tried. That's so huge. 1890 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:40.600 You don't even I mean you do realize, but like, wow, 1891 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:44.479 thank you, and it's just it's it's so great to 1892 01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:46.359 just have a platform to talk about this with people 1893 01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:48.520 who who are interested in it. So thank you again 1894 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:51.119 for that or it's just it's just been a pleasure. 1895 01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.680 I'm really grateful to be with you both tonight. Thank you, of. 1896 01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:55.720 Course the pleasure was ours man, Thank you so much 1897 01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:58.520 for joining us. This was great, and I mean, what 1898 01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:01.520 more can you ask for than the belief in knowing 1899 01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:03.479 that this is something that we can we can all do, 1900 01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:05.760 you know. And that's one of my favorite things. When 1901 01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:08.920 you talk to somebody that can do something like this, 1902 01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:11.600 you know, and then they say, oh, well, everyone can 1903 01:34:11.640 --> 01:34:13.600 do it, it's like, oh, that's just my favorite I 1904 01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:16.159 don't know what it is. It's just like, oh, okay, yeah, 1905 01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:18.960 well it's not like just certain special people that can 1906 01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:20.359 do it. It's like, oh we can all do. 1907 01:34:20.359 --> 01:34:23.239 This, everybody okay, and you know, and that's what the 1908 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:26.199 psychics tell us too, you know, everybody says that, and 1909 01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:29.479 it's just so enlightening. So yeah, we really appreciate you, Jamie. 1910 01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:31.800 But look, we're going to get over to the meditation. 1911 01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:34.319 Anybody wants to be able to stick around for the meditation. 1912 01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:37.000 That meditation is only found on Patreon. However, you know 1913 01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:39.600 that if you keep on listening past you know, ten 1914 01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:43.520 or fifteen seconds of the outro music, then you'll be 1915 01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:46.760 able to hear what we experience during said meditation. I 1916 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:48.840 feel like this is probably a good one to tune into. 1917 01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:53.159 So with that being said, if Jamie star Walker came 1918 01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:56.520 here and he taught you anything, it's that you don't 1919 01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:58.039 know what you don't know. 1920 01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:01.760 But I'll just get we weird, stay weird. 1921 01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:10.720 All right. That was a good one. 1922 01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:11.319 That was great. 1923 01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:14.760 Really tried to get started feeling No. I was just 1924 01:35:14.800 --> 01:35:17.560 gonna say, I really tried it, you know, focusing on 1925 01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:20.520 trying to see if there was that little pin prick 1926 01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:22.560 of light that was gonna that was gonna come in 1927 01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:24.920 and then you know, kind of like I was alluding 1928 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:28.199 to earlier. It was almost like I'm trying to say, 1929 01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:33.439 all right, like I need my mind to stop trying 1930 01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:35.279 to fill in the blanks for me. I just want 1931 01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:37.800 to see it, right because and that's the thing about 1932 01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:40.680 you know, being in this room. I sleep in this room. 1933 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:43.159 I know where everything's at in this room, So you 1934 01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:45.960 don't know, at least for me, like I couldn't tell 1935 01:35:46.279 --> 01:35:48.439 all right, am I just like do I just know 1936 01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:50.399 where everything is and that's why I'm seeing it in 1937 01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:52.640 my mind and I don't know. Then your mind just 1938 01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:55.520 starts playing tricks on you. But of course we only 1939 01:35:55.560 --> 01:35:57.760 meditate for like twelve or thirteen minutes, so maybe it 1940 01:35:57.760 --> 01:35:59.760 takes a little bit longer than that, especially trying it 1941 01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:00.520 for the first. 1942 01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:02.720 Time, you know, for it being only twelve thirteen minutes, 1943 01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:04.760 I really hit that sweet spot, you know. I felt 1944 01:36:05.159 --> 01:36:08.640 really zened out. Yeah, like really really relaxed, and even 1945 01:36:08.680 --> 01:36:10.880 within the first few minutes, I started feeling like a 1946 01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.760 tangling like on my head, like a lot of tingling 1947 01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:17.000 on my head, and then like kind of like in 1948 01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:20.680 my chest area. It was like I gave me the chills, dude, 1949 01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:22.760 Like it was. It was a good one, man. And 1950 01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:25.520 I was also looking for that little pinhole of light, 1951 01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:28.199 and I felt like I saw like a one little 1952 01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:30.880 spot of light, but then it like kind of went away, 1953 01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:32.640 you know what I mean. But I always kind of 1954 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:35.760 see those those types of whatever you want to call that, 1955 01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:38.279 you know. But now that I know what I know 1956 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:40.319 as far as what Jamie has told us, like, I'm 1957 01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:42.079 going to really try to hone in on that and 1958 01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:45.359 really try to focus and just knowing that it's possible, 1959 01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:47.520 you know, like for the longest time, nobody could do 1960 01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:49.920 a nine hundred on a skateboard, and then Tony Hawk 1961 01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:52.880 did it, and now now people are doing you know, 1962 01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:55.840 even more than that, you know, the double backflip on 1963 01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:59.000 a bicycle. It's like once someone finally did it, now 1964 01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:03.479 everyone gave themselves permission, knowing that someone has done it. Yeah. 1965 01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:06.680 Yeah, it's like like even over like the NFL combine. 1966 01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:09.239 It used to be crazy if somebody ran a four 1967 01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:13.159 four forty right, like that was insane speed. And now 1968 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:15.279 you guy guys who are running like in the in 1969 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:17.760 the four ones, which is just crazy, you know. And 1970 01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:20.199 I think that it's it is a matter of seeing 1971 01:37:20.279 --> 01:37:23.319 somebody else doing it, accepting it and almost accepting the 1972 01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:26.239 challenge and pushing yourself to that limit knowing that it 1973 01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:28.920 has been done before. And you know, that's why Jamie 1974 01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:31.439 so important here on this episode, because yeah, you just 1975 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:34.760 I don't know, I think you kind of just maybe 1976 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:36.800 released the shackles of our own mind. 1977 01:37:37.159 --> 01:37:39.800 Yeah, ticking it out of the realm of impossibility. 1978 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:40.520 You know. 1979 01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:43.760 So, Jamie, I noticed you had your blindfold on, and 1980 01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:45.319 I was kind of hoping I didn't see you put 1981 01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:46.840 it on, but I was kind of hoping that you 1982 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:49.840 were gonna see what you saw. Even with the because 1983 01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:51.960 I know you said that you don't typically use meditation 1984 01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:55.279 music for for doing the you know scene without your eyes, 1985 01:37:55.319 --> 01:37:57.279 and so well, what did you experience? 1986 01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:02.159 Man? I have this light here on my desk right 1987 01:38:02.279 --> 01:38:06.159 for the for the interview for the podcast, right, Yeah, 1988 01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:09.800 and I could definitely see that it was just bright. 1989 01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:12.159 And sometimes it's like, okay, well it's just stuck in 1990 01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:14.720 my eye because I've been looking at it for an hour. Yeah, 1991 01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:17.439 but if I if that were true, then if I 1992 01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:21.000 looked around that spot where it was kind of would 1993 01:38:21.039 --> 01:38:24.560 move right. But it didn't. It was right there. It 1994 01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:27.640 was very bright. I could see that light and I 1995 01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:31.159 could see the outline of the screen and where is it. 1996 01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:33.439 I have like a crystal rod here, like it's just 1997 01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:37.399 quartz and I could see that That's about That's all 1998 01:38:37.439 --> 01:38:39.279 I could see. But it was nice. 1999 01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:43.079 Interesting, it was nice. So even with the meditation music, 2000 01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:45.640 you know, I had a feeling that you were going 2001 01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:47.159 to be able to do that. I was hoping you 2002 01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:50.520 were going to try to do it for the meditation Yeah, you. 2003 01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:55.039 Know, I better wear this damn thing, this damn mask. 2004 01:38:56.960 --> 01:39:00.279 Yeah, dude, man, this is so cool. I cannot way 2005 01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:02.520 to try it a little bit more. I'm just like 2006 01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:04.479 every time my eyes are shut, I think I'm just 2007 01:39:04.479 --> 01:39:06.840 gonna take like an extra tick or two, you know, 2008 01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:10.800 and just play around with it, especially like laying in 2009 01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:13.119 bed at night, you know, I like to sleep in 2010 01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:17.199 the pitch black, you know, and so let me mess 2011 01:39:17.239 --> 01:39:19.319 around with that, I think a little bit just about everything. 2012 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:21.880 But you would need some sort of light, right, like 2013 01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:24.159 Jamie was saying it before, like you need some sort 2014 01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:25.920 of light within the room in order because you're not 2015 01:39:25.960 --> 01:39:27.800 going to see your room in pitch black, right. 2016 01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:31.399 You could, But if you're going to if you're trying 2017 01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:35.960 to activate the ability, light is often used, Like in 2018 01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:40.159 most modalities where they teach this, they use light to 2019 01:39:40.199 --> 01:39:44.560 activate it, either sunlight or like a bright light. Okay, 2020 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.039 well that actually brings for you can start. 2021 01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:50.520 Like the next question would be then, like let's say 2022 01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:54.039 you know somebody is you know, pretty much already like 2023 01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:57.560 super acclimated to all of it, right, And let's say 2024 01:39:57.560 --> 01:40:00.720 you start out with the lights on and then you 2025 01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:02.800 turn the lights off. Do you think that you'd be 2026 01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:05.359 able to still read that book if the lights are off? 2027 01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:09.079 Interesting, it depends where you are in your journey. But 2028 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:10.600 I would say eventually you can do that. 2029 01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:12.560 Wow, I love it. 2030 01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:14.680 I mean, yeah, you can, if you can. 2031 01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:17.000 I don't have the lights on very much anymore. 2032 01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:19.840 Right, Oh no, I was gonna say, like, if you 2033 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:22.920 can look through and see the other side of the 2034 01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:26.920 book cover, you know, I would imagine that there's not 2035 01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:27.800 many limits. 2036 01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:31.199 There's not a lot of photons in between those two pages. 2037 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:37.960 Yeah, yeah, that's about right. Man. What a freaking awesome show. 2038 01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:41.239 I'm so happy that we did this. Like you are, 2039 01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:44.319 You're one of our favorites, instantly, instant classic. 2040 01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:47.680 Oh yeah, without your eyes. Jamie's our guy. 2041 01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:48.399 Yeah. 2042 01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:51.880 Well, I you know, I appreciate you even considering it, 2043 01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:53.960 even though I'm not like a pro at it yet. 2044 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:55.560 But you know, I'm still on that journey. 2045 01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:58.560 I mean, you're doing the thing, you know what I mean, Yeah, 2046 01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:00.920 you're if you're even if if you're not a professional 2047 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:03.239 or whatever, it's like, but you're actually in the journey 2048 01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:05.800 and you're doing it, you know, and so any insight 2049 01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:07.880 that you have, I mean, we're all over that. 2050 01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:11.319 I mean, you think, like most you know, masters of 2051 01:41:11.399 --> 01:41:14.279 any kind of craft, they probably forget, you know, all 2052 01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:16.920 the little intricacies of what it was like to start 2053 01:41:17.199 --> 01:41:19.720 so it probably you, I mean, you probably can learn 2054 01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:21.800 a little bit more from somebody that's actually on their 2055 01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:25.359 journey as opposed to somebody that's a completed it, you know. 2056 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:28.239 Oh yeah, because they're they're much closer to the beginning 2057 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:30.279 and all of the things that the little mistakes that 2058 01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:32.920 they made, not even at their mistakes, but just you know, 2059 01:41:33.039 --> 01:41:35.800 hurdles that they had to overcome. Yeah, for sure. 2060 01:41:36.239 --> 01:41:37.920 Fair that's a great way to look at it. 2061 01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:43.680 Yeah, dude, all right, Jamie, Well, I guess that's that's 2062 01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:45.600 going to be it for this episode. So we really 2063 01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:47.640 appreciate you coming to hang out with us, man, and 2064 01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:49.439 uh cannot wait for the next time. 2065 01:41:50.239 --> 01:41:53.079 That was fun. How do I cross market this with you? 2066 01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:55.079 How do I promote your show? Or what's the best 2067 01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:59.319 way to like, can I say check this out, I'll 2068 01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:01.279 be on it, or what what do you prefer? 2069 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:04.800 Or so well, I mean, we we have all the 2070 01:42:04.840 --> 01:42:08.520 social media's I'm going to definitely be making clips out 2071 01:42:08.520 --> 01:42:12.439 of this whenever it goes up, and so maybe you know, 2072 01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:16.359 we can probably you know, collaborate on clips or something 2073 01:42:16.479 --> 01:42:20.039 like that or yeah, I mean whatever you'd like to say. 2074 01:42:20.039 --> 01:42:22.079 I mean, we we are a podcast, but We're also 2075 01:42:22.119 --> 01:42:23.880 on YouTube, so you can also you know, you can 2076 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:26.920 find us on YouTube and Spotify and Apple podcasts and 2077 01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:30.119 all that kind of stuff. So we I think we 2078 01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:32.560 have like a link tree with all of our links, 2079 01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:34.720 you know, however you want to go about it. It's yeah, 2080 01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:35.720 we really. 2081 01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:38.159 Appreciate that because I'd love to share that on my 2082 01:42:38.199 --> 01:42:41.279 website and then to my you know, a mailing list, 2083 01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:42.760 and then on TikTok and off your things. 2084 01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:45.079 Oh yeah, I'll send you I'll send you the video 2085 01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:48.159 then okay, yeah, and then you can post it wherever 2086 01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:49.479 you want. 2087 01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:50.159 Great. 2088 01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:52.319 Yeah, just yeah, I can the link. I guess I 2089 01:42:52.359 --> 01:42:55.199 can just throw it up on the website or whatnot. 2090 01:42:55.239 --> 01:42:58.079 But yeah, yeah, either way, thanks great, hell yeah man, 2091 01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:01.479 we appreciate that. Well all right, look, yeah, we'll talk 2092 01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:04.079 a little bit here after the show. But you know, 2093 01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:06.720 for those who are tuning out, thank you guys so 2094 01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:09.039 much for coming to join us on this episode and 2095 01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:10.479 we hope to see it on the flip side. 2096 01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:11.239 Bye. 2097 01:43:11.239 --> 01:44:01.800 Good keep