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we chat with Andrew Dunne. He is the publisher of

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long Leaf Politics longleafpol dot com. He is also a

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contributing columnist over at the Charlotte Observer. Welcome Andrew, how

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are you sir?

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Speaker 2: You know, every time I hear that introm you mix

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my day just a little bit brighter.

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Speaker 1: I have heard that from a number of people. They

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it's like the it's the led Zeppel. I can't look.

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I just picked the song. They made it, you know,

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but I will use it and it gets people psyched,

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even if they hate me. All Right, So you have

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a big writeup, but I wanted to focus on this

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exclusively today because you did a lot. You did a

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deep dive into data that I think would probably cause

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many people to jim pencils up their noses. But you

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looked at a voter out of state voter data. You

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reviewed hundreds of thousands of absentee by mail ballots from

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the last election in twenty twenty four, and you found

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a pool of nineteen thousand voters that you say deserve

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greater scrutiny. But you're not accusing anybody of anything. But

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you found this pool of nineteen thousand voters. So who

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are these voters?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me take a step back first. You know,

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we talk a lot about election security, but usually when

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we do it's in terms of voter id or paper ballots,

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or making sure that the voting machines aren't connected to

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the internet and stuff like that. But there's a whole

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other realm to consider, and that has to do with

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our election policies. You know, the law in North Carolina

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is clear you have to live in North Carolina to

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vote in North Carolina elections, which sounds obvious, but you know,

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in practice, there's a lot of edge cases and it's

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not always so clear cut. And the State Board of Elections,

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over a period of years has kind of cobbled together

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policies around who gets, you know, who counts as a

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resident in North Carolina. So what I wanted to do

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is really answer the question do we have people voting

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in North Carolina elections who don't actually live in North Carolina.

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You know, anybody who works in politics will look at

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absencey by mail requests, and when you do, you'll see

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that there's a lot of these requests are being made

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and the ballots are being sent out of state. So

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what I did is I kind of worked my way down.

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You know, from the overall voter file, four and a

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half million votes were cast before election day. Now, most

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of those are early in person voting, and so I

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threw all those out of my analysis, and then I

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started working my way down, all right, So then I

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excluded ballots that were sent to a person's home address

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or the same address where they're registered. That seems pretty legit.

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And then I took it a couple steps further. If

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it was in the same zip code, I didn't worry

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about it. Even if it was being mailed to an

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address in North Carolina, I didn't consider that either. And

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what I was left with was about nineteen thousand ballots

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that were being sent out of state to people who

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are older than twenty five because I didn't want you know,

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people who are going to college out of state are

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able to still vote in North Carolina elections if their

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home is still here. And then I also excluded people

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older than sixty five to account for retiree who may

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be you know, splitting time half in half. So that

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left nineteen thousand people with no real clear explanation of

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why they would need their ballots to be sent out

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of state. Now, like you said, you know, I'm not

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accusing anybody of wrongdoing, and when I did some quick

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spot checks, you know, some people have perfectly valid reasons

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for getting their ballots and out of state. There was

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you know, one in particular I saw was sent to

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RV Park in Colorado. I think they decided to take

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a big road trip and I wouldn't begrudge them that,

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and another couple were sent to federal law enforcement training facilities.

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That's perfectly legit. But there's a lot of people in

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there who look like they have started careers in blue

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cities like New York City or Chicago, but still wanting

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to cast their ballots here in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Because they were from North Carolina. They've relocated to a

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different place and maybe they haven't updated their registration or something.

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I don't know they but I mean, ostensibly they would

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have to convert everything over to like a new driver's

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license and all of that. Although I've known people who

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have moved here from different states and they drive around

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with their their license from that other state until it expires. Basically,

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I don't know, Like, I don't know how people navigate

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these systems by not complying, because I've always complied, you know,

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like when I moved to a new address, I go

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and I change the address, I do all of that stuff.

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So I don't know how people get by like these

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thirty day dirty thirty tags that I see on cars

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all over the place. Like, I don't know how people

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are beating the system like that so easily. It's you know,

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I don't know. I'm afraid I would get caught. And

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let me back up. Also, first, I guess we should

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define what does it mean to live in North Carolina?

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To reside here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like it should you know, you shouldn't

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need a definition, right, it sounds so obvious, But Basically

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what the law is and what the policies are is

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you have wherever, essentially wherever you hang your hat, right,

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you know, you have to actually live there. If you leave,

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you have to have a you know, set time period

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where you're coming back, you know, an intent be where

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you actually live.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like because this came up years ago when

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there were a bunch of homeless people that voted in

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our County Commission election and it changed the outcome, and

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there was this big challenge from Republicans about these homeless

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people that were busted to the polls and they all

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listed the men's shelter as their address or and like

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some of them, they don't actually reside there. They live

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like under a bridge or something, and they're supposed to

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actually draw a map of like where they where they

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intend to return. I think was the was the legal

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definition where you intend to return, which I don't even

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know how one goes about proving such a thing, especially

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as you note in this piece, there isn't any mechanism

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for me to challenge you. Let's say I'm aware that

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Andrew moved out of state, and then I see on

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the voter on the voter dashboard that you've been voting

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still in Psyche. Well wait a minute, I'd like to

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challenge Andrew, but I can't. There's no mechanism for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. You know your listeners are probably

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familiar with candidates being challenged. You can challenge a candidate's residency,

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and that happens from time to time, where you know,

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an opponent will say, well, this person doesn't actually live

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in the district they're trying to represent, and there's a

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whole process for that, and you know candidates will hire

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private investigators to tail them and all that. But there's

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no actual mechanism to challenge voters in this instance. So

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you can challenge a voter's residents in limited ways. So

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you could challenge that they never lived in North Carolina,

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but you cannot challenge whether a person once lived in

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North Carolina and no longer does. That is specific spelled

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out in North Carolina Board of Elections documents that you

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are not allowed to do that, and county boards are

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instructed not to hear any such challenges.

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Speaker 1: You point out in the piece that these nineteen thousand

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voters tend to skew young, female, white, and left leaning,

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but then you also, because you know me, I'm all

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about solutions. You have some ideas, So go over a

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couple of these ideas that you think might actually get

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at this problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what I'm proposing is just some common

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sense ways to add double checks on the front end.

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You know, I don't think the right way to do

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it is to open up voter challenges on the back end.

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I think that's a whole can of worms that it's

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just not worth going down. But right now, on the

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absencee by male ballot portal, when you're requesting your ballot

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to be sent to you, you are allowed to just

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specify any address and in the world, really but it's

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really easy to send your balot anywhere in the United States.

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And what I'm saying is there just needs to be

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a couple safeguards at that step in the process. You know,

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at the very least, a checkbox that says, you know,

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here's what it means to be a North Carolina resident,

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and if you don't fit this and you continue voting,

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you are committing a crime. I think that could you know,

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even that small step could solve a lot of problems.

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But I also think that there needs to be some

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documentation that if you are requesting your ballot to be

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sent out of state. I don't think it's unreasonable to

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fill out a little form that explains why you're asking

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your ballot to be sent out of state, and that

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creates a paper trail that down the line. You know,

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county boards are able to take a look at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in case it's needed. You've got the evidence collected

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on the front end. If people want to read more

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about this, they can go to your website longleafpol dot com.

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we have fought them having a bunch of people registered

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addresses that are nonprofits and such are nonprofits and such

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that serve the homeless with zoning. So that's how they've

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been fighting. Eric says, they've been fighting with zoning. If

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it is a commercial property that is not zoned for

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people to live there, and people are registered to vote there,

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then either the registration is fraudulent or they are violating

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the zoning and building safety codes. So if you make

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a formal complaint of the violation, the organization letting them

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use the address must go on record saying that the

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person doesn't actually live there. That's a very clever mechanism.

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Then you have proof the registration was fraudulent because either

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the individual committed fraud claiming it was their residents, or

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the organization is violating building and fire codes allowing people

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to live on the property. That is a that's very clever.

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Eric Stan wants to know what's to stop me from

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registering to vote in every state? Well, some states share

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their voter information with one another. Most Democrat states do

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not do this. They do not want other states to

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know if there are multiple registrations, and there have been

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cases of this. This was the whole point behind the

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interstate what was it called the interstate Vote Check or

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something like that I forget, or interstate Compact I think

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maybe was what it was where all states would enter

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into this compact and you would share some data of

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your voter roles like name, address, a voter ID number

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or last four of the Social Security something like that

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in date of birth. And I remember covering this this gosh,

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this would have been ten years ago, I want to say,

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maybe longer. And I remember there was a big, you know,

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fact check from the official fact checkers at McClatchy, and

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they were like, actually, there are a lot of people

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who have the same names and dates of birth, and

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that's the reason why there were people getting flagged in

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some of these these these cross check these cross state

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check systems. Yeah, well that's fine. So once you check

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it and you make sure, okay, that is a different person. Cool.

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If it's not a different person, then bad. Right, That's

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why you do it. That's why the administration of this stuff,

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it is so important, even though it's so boring, you know,

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trying to do a news story about this, trying to

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get your assignment editor to allow you to pursue a

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story like this is difficult because there are no visuals TV.

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and you know my experience doing TV, I understand why.

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It's the old axiom that my mass com professor, the

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late Haini how said the great thing about TV is

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that you get to use pictures. And the worst part

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about TV is that you have to use pictures. So

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what ends up happening then is that you start looking

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for stories that have good visuals and you start sacrificing

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stories that don't. So, yeah, a story about redistricting and jerrymandering.

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That's why nobody would cover this stuff for so long.

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The TV news stations wouldn't cover the stuff because it's

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just boring video. You got the you know, the video

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of a bunch of people standing up on the legislative floor.

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like cutaway shots or you know, just b roll that's

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running in the background while the anchor is talking or something.

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the hall or reading the piece of paper, or the

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zoom in close up of somebody writing something on a

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piece of paper but you can't really tell what they're writing.

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a presentation or something. That's what you're you're left with

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because people can't figure out a way to you know,

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tell the story, and you're giving only a couple hours

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to turn the story, and so you have to just

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stick a bunch of bee roll in there and it's boring.

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the three legged puppy, miracle baby or whatever, and they're

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gonna send you to that story because it's gonna make

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better video. Because who doesn't love to see the little baby?

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Who doesn't love to see the three legged puppy? Right,

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he's biggest watermelon. The apartment fire, the car crash, that's

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what people. It's more visually attractive for people to see that,

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but here we are. You know, stories are powerful. They

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come who you are. Visit creative video dot Com. Travis

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on the text line says if you live in a

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solid blue state like New York, for example, it's attractive

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to keep voting in a swing state like North Carolina.

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That is exactly right in fact, from Andrew Dunn's piece

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at long Leaf Politics, from what he reviewed of the

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nineteen thousand out of state voters in the twenty twenty

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four election, he says, there are a lot of different

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reasons why you might fall into the group, but he

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does notice some patterns. Again, no accusations of illegal activity

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here directed at anybody, but when you have a pool

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of nineteen thousand voters, you start looking at some of

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the addresses. Where are they going? You look at some

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of the people and it's like, okay, just and he

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says he did a spot check. He would just pull

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random people, random voter names out and take a look

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and see who they might be. And he says of

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this population, though they skew younger, female, white, and left leaning,

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more than three quarters are Democrats or unaffiliated. The votes

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mostly head out from Mecklenburg Wake and bunk them. Where

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do they go? Those ballots mostly go to New York,

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Northern Virginia. That's number one and two of the top

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locations for where the ballots go, followed by California, Florida,

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which that actually makes sense. Florida makes sense because you

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may have a lot of people that have a second

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residence in Florida, right a home, a winter home in Florida,

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snowbirds and such. Georgia, South Carolina, Texas, Maryland, Tennessee, and Massachusetts.

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He mentioned this in the interview that a few of them,

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a few of these went to RV parks in picturesque locations.

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So you know, people going on a road trip for

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a couple of months or something needed out of state

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ballot or they're ballot mailed out of state. They do

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intend to return, They're going off to do training. Others

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are in graduate school, stuff like that, he says, But

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a lot of others looked exactly like permanent out of

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state life with a North Carolina ballot still arriving every fall. Again,

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he says, I'm not accusing anybody of breaking the rules,

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but the concept of this is what Travis is talking about.

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Living in a solid blue state where your vote for

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president probably doesn't matter, but your vote in North Carolina,

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if you're a Democrat, does, so you would want to

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keep voting in North Carolina because we are a swing

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state and look, by and large, this is kind of

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a this is a new thing for North Carolina to

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have to deal with because we haven't always been a

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swing state, right, So this is a new phenomenon for

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North Carolina to be dealing with, and it seems to

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me like we probably should adopt some policies to deal

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with it better. Yet maybe law, maybe law, because the

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policies of the State Board of Elections can be changed

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by the State Board of Elections, and that's why we

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have this mish mash of rules cobbled together over the

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course of the last. Well, now, I guess nine years

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or so under Democrat Roy Cooper and his appointed body.

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Now you've got Republicans that are in charge of the

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body after the legislature passed a law to make it

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an appointed body by the Auditor's office, right because before

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it was the governor, and he would put his own

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political partisan appointments in there. They would change these rules

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ever so slightly to allow certain things to occur. And yes,

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strategic voting is a well documented thing. People do it.

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The legal test should be simple. It is simple. If

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New York or Illinois or California is now your real home,

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then your voting home is not North Carolina anymore. However,

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the problem is there earned any ways to verify whether

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a person still actually lives in North Carolina before election day.

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It's essentially the honor system with no follow up. That's

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a problem. I did get another message here, Oh, it

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was in my email Pete at the Pete calendershow dot

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com from John. Another aspect of voter residency issues, I'll say,

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are college students registering to vote in North Carolina. I

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think it's pretty simple. If you pay out of state tuition,

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by definition, you are not a resident of North Carolina.

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I think that's a pretty good standard. This really came

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to a head in when I was working up in Ashville,

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where we had some legislative and county commissioner races decided

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by I'm trying to remember. I think it was unc Asheville,

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but it may have been Warren. Oh, it was Warren Wilson,

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Warren Wilson College, Liberal College. Small, but they split the lines,

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so they basically diffused the student lefty population into two

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different districts in order to pad the votes for Democrats.

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And they were listing their residents at like the student

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dorms as their residents, and that's I don't think that's appropriate.

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Like when I lived in the student dorms when I

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went to college, like they moved us on a year

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by year basis. You didn't get your same dorm room

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every year. Now maybe that's changed, and maybe that was

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just my school. But I also remember in South Carolina

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they would not let me vote until I registered and

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got legal residents, you know in South Carolina, which I

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eventually did before I graduated school and I started getting

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in state rates and whatever. So like that was the

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like it was much more difficult I remember I had

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to do a mail in ballot back to New York

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for the first election, which I forgot to do, so

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I didn't even vote in nineteen ninety two, the first

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election presidential election I could vote for. I did not

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get that done. So I know, I know, not that

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I vote would have mattered. Now it might have, No, not,

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probably not not New York. Meanwhile, do you remember Cleita Mitchell,

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North Carolina based election integrity activist Cleita Mitchell. She wants

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a federal judge to reject requests from liberal groups to

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try that are trying to compel her testimony for a

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trial this month in Winston Salem. So, when I was

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a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and before he died,

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my mom and my dad took care of him as

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he got worse. Forty years ago, there were no treatments

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and not much support for caregivers and family. But things

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are different today because of the work of so many people,

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including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina. It's a great

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organization with awesome people with huge hearts. I've been a

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supporter for twenty five years. This cause means a lot

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to me. I participate in the annual w to end

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Alzheimer's and I'm leading a Charlotte team again this year

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and it's called once again Pete's Pack. You can sign

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up and you can join the team and walk with us.

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It's on October eighteenth that truest field. Sign up at

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alz dot org slash Walk and then you can search

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for my team name Pete's Pack. There's also a link

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at thepetepod dot com. There's also a link in the

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description of this podcast. Also, I'll be am seeing the

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Gastonia Walk on October eleventh, and so you can make

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a team and join that one too, or make a

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donation and help me hit my goal of five thousand dollars.

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If you do, I really appreciate it. There are a

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bunch of other walks all over the Carolinas. You can

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go to alz dot org slash walk for all the

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dates and locations. We're closer than ever to stopping Alzheimer's.

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Can you help us get there? Will you walk with me?

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For a different future, for families, for more time for treatments.

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This is why we walk. Mitch Kokai, writing at The

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Carolina Journal about this case against Cleta Mitchell, North Carolina

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based election integrity activist who is urging a federal judge

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to reject requests from leftist groups. My word, he called

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them left of center leftist groups to compel her testimony

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at a trial in Winston Salem. This month, Mitchell filed

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court documents suggesting she has no relevant information in the

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case that challenges a twenty twenty three state law it

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changed rules linked to same day voter registration or SDR

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same day registration. Plaintiffs contend that Mitchell was quote somehow

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instrumental in achieving passage of the legislation, which is wholly

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inaccurate and which plaintiff's council now knows is inaccurate, according

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to Mitchell's filing. Plaintiffs have further not produced a single

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public presentation from or by Miss Mitchell to support their

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contention that Miss Mitchell influenced the SDR provisions in the legislation.

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See this is the lie that the left told about

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Cleta Mitchell being involved in getting this getting these rules changed.

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At the time, they just promoted this lie and they

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had no evidence for it, and everybody in the legislature

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was like, uh no, she didn't help us do this,

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and she was like, no, I didn't help them do this,

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but nobody cared. They just kept advancing this lie. Mitchell

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faced a September twenty twenty four deposition that lasted more

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than five hours. Her sworn deposition testimony revealed to plaintiff's

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council that their contentions regarding Mitchell as a central figure

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who influenced the legislation are not true. In fact, Mitchell

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testified in that deposition that her role in the passage

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of the law generally and specifically as it relates to

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same day registration was quote non existent. There was nothing.

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She didn't help them, She didn't do anything with them.

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In a separate declaration, Mitchell wrote that former Governor Roy

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Cooper publicly and falsely identified her in his veto statement

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regarding the challenged legislation, stating incorrectly that I had been

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a primary advocate for SB seven forty seven, which is

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not true. Is not true. Mitchell founded the Election Integrity Network.

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She serves as senior Legal Fellow at the Conservative Partnership Institute,

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and previously chaired the Public Interest Legal Foundation. Since twenty twenty.

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She says I have been attacked and maligned by leftist

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media and organizations and by Democratic leaders. But I repeat

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myself opposed to me and my work in the field

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of election integrity, and I've received multiple threats against me

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for my work and my views on the integrity of

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America's elections. The plaintiffs in this case are all organizeds

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that engage in public policy advocacy on issues, matters, and

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policies in direct opposition to my election integrity work. Plaintiffs

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in the case are also seeking in order to compel

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her to appear at the trial on October twenty first,

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So why would you be doing that? Think about this

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if you are one of these groups like the Southern

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Coalition for Social Justice, which is the left wing activist

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legal firm that or nonprofit I guess they would call themselves.

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That was founded by Supreme Court Justice Anita Earles and

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who was most recently run by Oh my gosh, I'm

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drawing a blank on her name. Now, she's also Rigs

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Alison Riggs, right, she just won the race against Griffin

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and Jefferson Griffin, so she was their last leader. So

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like these, the two leaders out of this Southern Coalition

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for Social Justice are now on our state Supreme Court.

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These are radical left wing lawyers, that are the two

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Democrats on our state Supreme Court. Why would if you

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were the plaintiffs in this case from the Southern Coalition

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for Social Justice, why would you want Cleeda Mitchell testifying

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when she has no information for you. She's already been deposed,

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You've gotten nothing from her because she doesn't know anything.

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She wasn't involved in it at all. But why then

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would you need to bring her in front of the

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court for the trial publicity? That's it's it's the smear, right,

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It's a smear tactic. Is you drag her to court,

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you make her sit in the court, you make her testify,

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and then the headlines are you know, Trump ally in court.

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That's it. That's the only reason. Now. The judge set

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an October twentieth trial date in the case after he

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rejected requests from state legislative leaders and the state Board

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of Elections to dismiss the case. This lawsuit challenges one

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part of the Senate Bill seven forty seven, called the

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Undeliverable Mail Provision. This provision looks to change how elections

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officials deal with ballots from voters who are registered to

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vote on the same day that they cast their early

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voting ballots, so during the early vote period they registered

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that very same day. At the most basic level, the

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plaintiffs want a return to the scheme that predated the

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passage of Senate Bill seven forty seven, which required, among

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other things, that a same day registrants vote not be

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discarded unless the US Postal Service returned as undeliverable a

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second mailing addressed to the registrant before the canvas deadline.

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And here's the problem is that the Postal Service can't

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get two mailings to somebody before the ten day canvas expires.

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That that's the problem. All right, that'll do it for

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this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.