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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here shit.

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Speaker 2: Your source of information and analysis to help you win

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your fantasy hockey league.

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Speaker 1: Black Hot a stem had on stay lock.

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Speaker 2: Here's your hosts, Jesse Sovier and Victor Noon your The

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City Hockey Live once again.

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Speaker 3: Jesse Severe, Victor Nuno talking fantasy hockey. How you doing today, Victor.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing awesome, Jesse. That's been so fun watching the Olympics.

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Some crazy storylines and yeah, it's been it's been a

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good time. Maybe maybe some breath taking moments happening.

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Speaker 2: But how you doing, my friend.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I'm doing good, getting myself, getting myself

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into that, getting myself into you know, I've actually, i

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think I've passed the shakes of the first few days

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of not setting the lineup. Even worse, the NBA decided

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to take their All Star break in the middle of

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the Olympic break, so I'm really I'm really hard of Victor.

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But at least we have trades, and trades are going

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to be the theme of our day on this year

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podcast because we have our buddy the Admiral back to

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talk some more tidy trades from the deadline don't we.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we do always a good time with Ryan Jones,

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and I think we got some really interesting that we're

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going to all put ourselves in the spotlight here and

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it's going to be fun. Hopefully you find it useful,

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even those of you not Entidy. There's some strategy and

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some players discussed that I think will be relevant to everyone.

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So definitely looking forward to that. And yeah, glad you're

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here to check it out, yes.

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Speaker 3: Sir, all right, we'll be right back because we want

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to get into the meat of Tidy trades.

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Speaker 4: All right, Welcome back everyone, and we're excited to bring

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back into the studio our Tidy Admiral Ryan Downey, and

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he's got some accountability to run us through.

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Speaker 2: So how you doing, my friend, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. We hope you enjoyed our

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first look last week at the Tidy trade deadline, and

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as promised, we are back this week to face the

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music on our own trades. Mine and Edwards BFFs, Jesse's

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Milwaukee Blizzards, and Victor's Surrender team all decided at different

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points of this season that this would not be our

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year to win it all. In our various Tidy divisions,

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and so we made some difficult decisions to prioritize competitive

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windows in future seasons, and we're going to walk you

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through them here today. Between the three of us, we've

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got eight trades to discuss today, so we'll dive right in.

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We're going to start, and here's the formatfort today. We'll

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start with the bff's couple trades from the Mine and

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Edwards team will transition to Jesse's team, and then the

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second half will be all Victor, because Victor took the

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veritable sledgehammer to his roster and looking forward to diving

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in on that with you, Victor. But we'll start here

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with the BFFs, who have historically been a top team

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in the Lord Stanley Division of the Tiered Dynasty League.

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We finished last season a distant third to Jack Zee

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and eventual Tidy champion Mason the NHL ranking, and with

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both of those teams only improving and with each of

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them holding the first two championship rings for the Tidy

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Lord Stanley Division, we felt that our best course of

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action would be to try and retool for next season,

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and over the course of the year, we shipped out

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veterans like Sidney Crosby and Sergei Bobrovski in exchange for

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players like Michael Misa, Gavin Brindley, and Thomas Harley. Some

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Tidy listeners may remember we talked about those trades in

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previous episodes of Tidy Takes. Those young players will form

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the beginning of a young core whose primes we can

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marry with some of our older players like Nico Hesher

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and Leon Drysidele. Our next step on that journey was

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realized in the first trade we're discussing today with our

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friend and fellow Tidy Commission team member Simon, who is

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the GM of Weekend at Corsey and Weekend at Corsey

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acquired from the BFFs defensive prospect rookie however you want

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to call him for the Vancouver Canucks, Tom Willander and

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defenseman Gustav Forsling, And we go from Simon Cole Hudson

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and Carl Lindbaum goaltender prospect for the Vegas Golden Knights.

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And just to walk people through here a little bit,

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Speaker 3: Of the miners eligibility.

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Speaker 1: Will Landers still has at the time of press fifty

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five minors eligible games left and Foresling has taken a

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dip from his last season previous season of being that

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four point five five fantasy points per game guy to

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being a mere three point five this season. With that

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context out of the way, here's what Simon had to

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say about the deal. That he had Cole Hudson on

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the block for a bet a month to this point

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with a handful of similar offers. He wanted some roster

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flexibility and upside in Forsling was underachieving, someone that he

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traded to the bff's last season to acquire Axel sandein Pelica.

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So getting him with his positive regression this season, along

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with Tom Molander, who he thinks has more upside than

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giving credit.

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Speaker 2: For, was a firm.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he does acquiesce and say that Hudson might make

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him regret it down the road, but the present contributions

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Foresling and Wilander will raise his team's floor. Lind Baum

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was someone he picked up off of waivers last year

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and provided some depth for him. He will be a

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one A one B goalie down the road that he

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is not concerned about. He did lose his potential starts

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this season, and actually I think we started Lindbaum the

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day of the trade, so that was very helpful for

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us at that time. With the Golden Knights goalie stack,

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he thought it was safe to move lind Bamb. Not

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a whole lot of back and forth with the BFFs,

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just an offer and then a counter and then a

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deal and Victor, that's about right. Interestingly enough, Edward and

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I had been talking about how we might be able

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to pry Hudson away from Simon a month earlier, and

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we didn't think Fororesling would be enough to do it.

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or someone like that to get to Cole Hudson. Like

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I mentioned earlier, I think a lot of people think

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of Fororesling as the four point five fantasy points per

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game guy and not the three point five fantasy points

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per game guy he's become. So we smashed except on

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this deal, and we're very happy to upgrade Wilander to

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Hudson in the process while acquiring a valuable goaltender who

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played a few games for US. So, Victor, what do

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you think? Do you agree with the eighty eight percent

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of tidy voters who think that the BFFs came out

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victorious in this trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's hard to not like the long term

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upside of Cole Hudson Hudson. I've been on record saying

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that I think he can be as good as his

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brother Lane, he might even be better. And his BASH

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is actually quite a bit better. He's at ninety eight

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percent BASH, which is kind of crazy. He hits at

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ninety fifth percentile for the NCAA. I don't think a

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lot of people saw that coming. Anyone who rosters Lane

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Hudson knows that he can score a lot, and there's

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a lot of good things about rostering him, especially in

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the tidy that it's play driving, but the bash isn't

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one of them, and so that could be even better

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for him. I'm also looking at the hockey prospecting for

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these two brothers, and it's really fascinating. If you'll remember

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that Cole Hudson is a late birthday June twenty eighth,

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when he was drafted and not taken unfortunately, and Lane

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is a February birthday. So if you think about that

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and the fact that Cole has a lot more development

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to go even without regressing his year, which he is

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almost eligible for the following draft. He's been better at

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Lane in terms of better than Lane in every year

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of his development Draft minus one, draft season, DP plus one,

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and Deep plus two. His star potential is higher at

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every step of the way than Lane, and I think

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that's pretty important to keep in mind as you think

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about comparing these two. That doesn't necessarily mean he will

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be better, but it is there's some strong indication that

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he could be. And one thing that might have worked

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in your favor is that Cole is having a bit

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of a down season just in terms of points this

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season at Boston University.

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Speaker 2: He had forty eight points at thirty nine games last season.

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Speaker 4: Right now at press time, twenty seven points and thirty games.

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bottom line is that he is still an outstanding talent,

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and I think BU just has a little bit of

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a step back going this year, So I wouldn't worry

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too much about that. And I think the other thing

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to think about is that Lane is currently the eighth

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best offense under and the tidy setup but clicking at

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six point eighty four Fantasy points per game. So did

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you give up that much of an asset to acquire him,

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I would say no. And so I think that you

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did quite well here, all things considered.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind Wallander and Foresling.

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Speaker 4: I think that they can be solid middle of the

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lineup kind of guys. But I definitely think that you

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guys got the potential star in this trade, and so

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definitely like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to argue against Cole Hudson. He does

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feel like the best player in the trade. I get

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what Simone's doing here. If he's high on Tom Millander

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and he's watching those Cannucks more closely, I think than

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many of us. And I know he's been a longtime

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fan of Worsley. I know he's had him in our

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four sport league and we've talked trade before, and I

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think he was very high on him. So he's thinking

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he's buying low. I don't know if I buy that,

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given the changes that have happened with Florida since he

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first showed up, namely Seth Jones, and you know Aaron

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Eckbled was out a lot when Worsling was really kind

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of at his peak. So I don't know that. I

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do think that the Cole Hudson side is the better

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one here. And Linn Baum, whether you believe that he

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is particularly a star or not, how many goalies have

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we seen go into Vegas now and at the end

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up gatting the net and doing it. People who we

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didn't think had the highest upside turned out to be

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pretty pretty good fantasy players. Aiden Hill didn't have that

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reputation when he got there, turned out to be much

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better than the reputation. But I didn't go in there

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with the highest reputation. So yeah, I think I get

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both sides of it. I think I like the BFFs

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because obviously Cole Hudson is the star piece here. It's

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the star of the trade on both sides. But I

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really am happy that we got Lindbaum. We, as you

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may recall, gave up Bbrovski earlier this year. We got

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off of him at seemingly just the right time in

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that trade with Mystics earlier. But that did leave us

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short in the goaltending department, and as you all know,

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the tidy runs on goaltending. The goaltender games do not

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get counted into the gameplayed limit of seventy five per week,

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and so we were starting to look a little thin

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at that position. And so given like you mentioned, Jesse,

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how Vegas can make even ordinary goaltenders look like stars,

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and particularly looking at how they've beefed up that defensive

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presence the blue line there in Vegas, I was very

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happy to pick up linn Baum as well. And yeah,

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very happy to hear that Cole Hudson is on the

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trajectory that he's on. I also considered the fact that

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he was earlier in the funnel. I know, you guys

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like to talk about that funnel, and so hard to

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not like this deal for us moving forward anyways, So

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I'll move on here to the next deal, which also

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kind of fell in our lap as well. A little

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bit from Mystics, who is by far our most frequent

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trade partner, I think probably everyone's most frequent trade partner

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in the Lord Stanley Division. It's that situation where you

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develop a rapport with someone over the years in a

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dynasty league, and that's certainly what happened here. Had been

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asking us about Byron for the better part of the

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entire season, and so we eventually arrived at the following

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deal where she acquires Bowen Byrom, Nick Schmaltz, who had

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been playing a key role for US this season and

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goaltending prospect. I guess we can call him a journeyman

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at this point. Michael di Pietro over in Providence, and

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in return we acquired matt Vey, Mitchkov, Daniel Boot, Jesse

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Severe Favorite, William Zellers, and Ben Sharratt. And just to

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keep everyone up to speed here, Boot still has seventy

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two games left of minors eligibility, Mitchkov obviously in a

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three eight fantasy points per game, and Sharrot with three

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point five to five. The rest of the pieces haven't

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really made their impact yet in the NHL. Schmaltz with

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a huge performance this season at five point five fantasy

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points per per game, Byrom at around three point six,

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and so lots of great moving pieces here. Donna had

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this to say, this one may hurt as early as

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next season, but it was purely about hopefully avoiding relegation,

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and Donna, yes, you have done that. We're very happy

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to see that you'll be returning next season in the

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Lord Stanley, Schmaltz and Biram were on the bff's block,

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so I wanted to try to acquire one or both,

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and I knew it would take a good offer, as

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the BFFs are shrewd negotiators. Thanks, she also said, as

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is everyone in Lord Stanley, and she would know. She

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felt that Mitchkov wasn't going to break up for at

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least another season. As for daneil Booth, there's a lot

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to like about him at six foot six inches as

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a twelfth overall pick, with KHL experience and being near

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point per game of the AHL this season before his

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call up to the Mammoth. But you have to give

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to get, and Schmaltz is a pretty consistent producer. Onto

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Biram that he was a bit of a speculative ad

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for her that he finally played a full season last

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year after several seasons of miss time due to injuries,

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and at only twenty four years old, hoping he puts

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it all together. Although block from powerplay won by Dollien,

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he does average a minute and a half on the

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power play in that second unit plus shorthanded time, and

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as a fourth overall pick, She's hoping he keeps getting chances.

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She figures Dpietro's a gamble worth taking as the top

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AHL goaltender last season, although at twenty six years old,

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time maybe running out on him. He may be a

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UFA after next season, and so maybe a new situation

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will help kickstart his NHL career. So yeah, we did

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indeed have Schwartz and Byram on the block. I personally

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didn't think Schwartz would maintain his scorching hot pace that

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he had established at the beginning of the season, and

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also felt that Byram had been around long enough that

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we kind of know what he is, and what he is,

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in my opinion, is a slightly above replacement offensive defenseman.

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Birom is actually one of the few Sabers guys whose

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per game production hasn't increased while they've embarked on this

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transformative season, and despite his twenty three minutes per game,

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he returns only a shot and a block per game,

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with negligible hits and a forty point pace. Only Schmaltz's

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current seventy five point pace is on par with some

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of his best seasons, but is bolstered by a strong start,

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and he is about to turn thirty, and we imagine

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the downturn come soon. Also, he is a UFA this year,

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and who knows where he could end up at the

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deadline or next season. If he loses deployment on a

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team trying to win the Cup, then we would be

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in trouble as we had been relying on him perhaps

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a little bit too heavily for high level production that

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couldn't possibly last. In return, we're taking a bit of

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a gamble on Matt Faane mitchcalf who's certainly been in

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the news recently due to some high profile clashes with

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his head coach Rick Talckett. Before the Olympic break, Daniel

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Breer had this to say in a press conference addressing

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Mitchkav's relationship with the team. One thing I can tell

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you first of all is Matt Fay mitchkalv is not

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going anywhere. Let's make that clear. Matt Vey is going

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to be here for a long time. He's going to

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be a good player here for the Flyers. What he's

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going through right now is all part of the larning process.

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That's enough for the BFFs to feel confident that they

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will give him the time and space to develop into

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the player that he's meant to be, which we think

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will be a point per game plus superstar in the NHL.

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We keep a piece of the UTAH Top nine in

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boot and get Will Sellers back after giving him up

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pre World Juniors, paying a little bit of a premium

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for his strong tournament performance, but happy to have a

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high offensive upside piece in our minors pool. Victor, how

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do you see this one? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I shared the links in the dock here.

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Speaker 4: Related to our scouting video Steve Peters scouting videos, and

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he basically breaks down a lot of what I've been

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saying about Mutkov for years. And if you're not looking

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at the notes document, you can find Steve Peters scouting

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videos on Twitter x. He's a fantastic follow and I

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definitely highly recommend it. Yeah, for sure. So with the

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puck on his stick, we know Mitchkov can do great things.

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Away from it, he's kind of lazy and dare I

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say soft? I know that's kind of a four letter

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word for a lot of hockey players, but that's how

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I see it. And we're going on years now of

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this being the case with Matt Vie, Mitchcoff. It's not

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like this is the first time we've heard this. He's

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heard this complaint about him. He's said he's working on it.

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He has done some work on it. But frankly, I'm

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skeptical that he's ever going to get fully there and

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reach his full potential. You said point per game plus player.

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I'm not sure. It's certainly up to him whether he

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can get there or not. It's all about effort, It's

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all about his commitment to all aspects of the game.

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This is not just a coach saying this. This is

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multiple coaches and player development and managers of teams making

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these assessments and scouts. So I definitely have some skepticism

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there about his long term upside. But I also definitely

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think that he's worth the speculative ad and someone that

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you might want to acquire to see if he can

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get there. It just depends on how much you have

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to pay, which we'll get into. I'm not a huge

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fan of boot. You said Utah's top nine. I think

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that is the appropriate phrase. If you had said top six,

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I would have probably quibbled with that a bit more.

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But the fact that he is in that mix and

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he certainly could see some top six time, but I

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think middle six is probably more where he lands. I

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think Boot could end up being Alexei Potash, and we've

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kind of talked about that on the show, and I

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think that would be a pretty decent outcome. He's someone

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who has some relevance in fantasy, but isn't your must

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start or must acquire kind of a asset. Shira is

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well in real life. We know he's an anchor to

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his defensive partner, and I don't understand how he keeps

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getting these big contracts. He's physical, we know that he bangs,

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and he provides some value in fantasy, so that's certainly

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something and probably better.

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Speaker 2: Than some of the replacement options.

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Speaker 4: But I think the key here is Mietchkoff, and if

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you get a star out of that, that's what you're

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really hoping for. As for Donna Side, I can't say

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that I believe environment anymore at this point. I agree

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with you. He is what he is. I don't think

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that's going to change too much. He's been in a

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couple of different situations. Sure, you could say if he

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didn't have Dollan in front of him, maybe it would

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be different, But is someone really going to trade for.

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Speaker 2: Him and make him the number one guy.

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Speaker 4: The underlying numbers suggest that he can't handle that, that

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that's not really who he's going to be, So I

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kind of think that ship has sailed to reach the

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true upside of what he was in junior, which is

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disappointing because I've someone, I've been someone who believed in

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him for a while now, but I just think this

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is kind of where he's going to be.

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Speaker 2: Second pair.

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Speaker 4: Maybe top power play is as best he could do

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potentially somewhere else, but I think that's also unlikely.

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Speaker 2: Di Pietro man I've been pulling for him for years.

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Speaker 4: I always really liked him when he was in the

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Vancouver system and have been pulling for him. It's great

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to see his resurrection of his career here in the

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Boston system. I have him ranked seventy fourth now on

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my goalie tiers. By the way, I meant to mention

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to the previous discussion that I had Karl Limbaum at

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twenty ninth overall, and I have his teammate Pablo Moystovitch

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at twentieth, So Limbam is the second goalie I have

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in that system. But anyways, I think DiPietro is turning

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things around. He seems like he can make something of it.

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I really hope he can. I think betting on a.

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Speaker 2: Prospect goalie that doesn't beat into your game's played limit

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is really great and so I hope that I hope

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that he gets some games. I hope that it works.

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Speaker 4: Out, you know, but we we don't really know, So

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that's kind of a you know, speculation there.

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Speaker 2: The other piece, the other piece, Nick Schmaltz.

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Speaker 4: Nick Schmaltz is a really confusing and kind of frustrating

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guy to own many steps because he could be great,

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and also he can give you nothing because of his

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slow bash. He's not the type of player that I

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like to roster because of that. He can go scorching

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hot and be one of the best players on your team,

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or he can just be nothing, and so I like

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to have someone that has a higher floor. But you know,

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he's certainly going to help this year and probably will

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be relevant wherever he goes if he does go somewhere else.

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I do think it's going to be interesting to see

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what happens with Kooley returning the rest of this season,

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because there's no question in my mind that he's a

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lock for that top line for years to come, and

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so I think that it's going to be it might

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be difficult or Schmaltz to find relevance too much further.

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But all in all, I say this, Oh, and I

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didn't mention William Zeller's on your side.

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Speaker 2: I really like Zeller's.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's someone who of all the players on

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the Americans, he was one of the brightest spots of

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the World Juniors and he's had a really great season.

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He's someone who's risen in the ranks for me, and

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I have him at ninety first five point seventy one

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puck stud rating and he's the Boston system. Not great,

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but he is looking like a bright spot there and

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someone who can absolutely be an interesting, relevant part to

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your prospect pool moving forward. So definitely someone worth acquiring.

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Acquiring the fact that you got him and Mitchikoff gives

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you a couple of really nice speculative you know, ads

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to be able to see where you can go from here.

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So all in all, I think it's pretty even. I think,

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you know, the Schmaltz factor for this year certainly leans Donna,

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but I do agree with what she said. She might

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Rebett as early as next year, and I think that

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that's probably true. Depends on what Meechkov does. That's really

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what all this comes down to. If heatures into a star,

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then this will look terrible two or three years down

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the road. But at least she'll stay in the division,

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which is always the goal. And lower Stanley.

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Speaker 3: Man Sell high by low right, Matt Bay Mitchkoff, if

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this is his low, it's it's crazy. I feel like

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Matt Vey Mitchkoff if I if I do have him

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in a team, this is the kind of guy somebody's

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gonna come sniff around and I'm gonna swat them aways.

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Forget it, man, you're not buying low on Matt Vay Mitchkoff.

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But sometimes when you get extremely advanced players like Donna,

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that's exactly what she's willing to do. She's willing to

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live her life saying, hey, everybody starts off being Matt

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Vay Mitchkoff and turns out to be Nick Schmaltz, you

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know what, And that might be locking in the higher

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production now may benefit her in the end. I don't.

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Michael d. Pietro is just not going to happen for me.

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Bowen Byram. I mean, the only thing I could say

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about bowen Byram is that the Sabers are getting very

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expensive and he's down to one more year on a

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pre RFA contract, and I don't think that he'll get

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paid by Buffalo now. Is he going to get a

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big RFA offer from somebody else? Maybe not, But you

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know they're all over there wringing their hands over whether

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they have to trade Alex Tuck, well maybe bowen Byrums.

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So you want to trade to clear up a six

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thousand dollars in salary room to make the other things

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happen that you want to happen. So maybe there's an

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opportunity for him to go somewhere else where he would

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be able to thrive. But nonetheless, yeah, I like the

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Mitch Coff side. I guess this time. I always try

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to understand the theory behind the other side, and I

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think Nick Schmaltz coming up close to a point per

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game this year normally is pretty much locked in as

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a sixty point guy. That's not nothing, I get it.

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But yeah, Mitchkoff could explode, and in that case, it's

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going to be a pretty clear win for you.

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Speaker 4: Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just on Mitchkov really quick. His season

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00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,079
last year, you know, he played almost the entire regular season,

474
00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,359
only missed a couple games, and had sixty points sixty

475
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,960
three points, to be clear. And you know, if he

476
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,039
can even get back to that next season, we're we're

477
00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:15,480
pretty happy with this deal. I think I'm not expecting

478
00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:19,160
Mitchkov to be like Kucherov levels of production. I think

479
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,359
he's come into the league with enough challenges that that

480
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,880
would be an unrealistic expectation at this time. I do

481
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,000
think that, and you know, credit certainly to Steve Peters.

482
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,599
Those scouting videos are worth a watch. Any of his

483
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,079
content is worth the watch for people who listen to

484
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,759
this podcast. It's interesting stuff. But I do think that

485
00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:39,599
Mitchkov is a little bit more in the media these

486
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,119
days when you juxtapose him with guys like Connor Bedard,

487
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,559
Adam Fantilly, Leo Carlson, Will Smith, even Ryan Leonard, you

488
00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:51,240
know Dalliboard Divorski, who is crushing it in the Olympics

489
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:54,519
right now. These guys are all becoming key members of

490
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:58,599
their NHL clubs, and Mitchkov is kind of not there yet.

491
00:23:58,599 --> 00:24:00,720
This season with Rick Tackett and so I think that's

492
00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:04,079
why you're seeing so much in the media about him

493
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,240
these days. And so give him another offseason. Maybe he's

494
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,279
learned his lesson about coming in out of shape and

495
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:12,480
maybe he, you know, either gets another Russian player to

496
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,160
help translate on Philadelphia and learns a bit of English

497
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,839
and he starts to kind of get going here. And yeah,

498
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,480
you mentioned about Biram, there is certainly potential that he

499
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,079
could get moved elsewhere. You know, I would not be

500
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,640
surprised if a team like the Toronto Maple Leafs, for instance,

501
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,440
look to take Biram off of Buffalo's hands, and as

502
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,759
they need someone who can run that power play and

503
00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:35,519
kind of fill in that Morgan Riley role, especially if

504
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:38,279
he takes off this summer. So this could look pretty

505
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:40,680
silly in the short term, but if Mitchkov hits then

506
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,400
we do not care. After years of competing at the

507
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,559
tie up top of the Tidy Lord Stanley Division, we

508
00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:48,759
are bereft of prospects with Mitchkov's upside, and to acquire

509
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:50,960
one here for one of the lower end one seas

510
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,039
and lower end power play defenseman in the league was.

511
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,039
Speaker 3: A no brainer for us.

512
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,319
Speaker 1: That's enough talking about me. It's time to look at

513
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,759
what Jesse was up to as the Milwalk Blizzards. So

514
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:04,000
here's your shine spot, Jesse. You took to retooling your

515
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:06,680
team this year. What prompted that decision for you?

516
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're not gonna make it. Boys. The team

517
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,519
that I had out there is simply not going to

518
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:18,480
be enough to win during the probably productive era of

519
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:21,440
some of my top players. Now, I do have Nathan McKinnon,

520
00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:24,799
who is not going anywhere I did at one point.

521
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,720
I think Kennon's on that team. At one point I

522
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:31,279
kind of said, hey, this guy could move, but instead

523
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,160
I wanted to trade some of my older players for

524
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,880
some future assets. And yeah, I traded col Prago, John Tavares,

525
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,400
Darts Kemper, and then Learna Bresois threw him in there

526
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:45,920
to try to get better for the future. So Cole

527
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,599
Hudson leading the way, Justin Carboneau, and then two goalies

528
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,119
back a Kira Schmid Daniel Terasov, both younger Schmid in

529
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,039
the Olympics with Switzerland now, and yeah, that was basically

530
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:02,039
the deal. Kemper is great, but these guys are mid thirties,

531
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,319
you know, and Pareko is I think starting to be

532
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,039
on the downswing as well for the Blues. So to me,

533
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:10,640
it was a no brainer for a team that is

534
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,400
good enough that we're not going to get relegated pretty safely,

535
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,200
but not good enough that these older players are going

536
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,480
to be on the next winning Blizzard's team.

537
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely loosened some of the chaff here too

538
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,200
by getting rid of Laurent Bressois, who looks like he's

539
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,319
not going to play again this season. Colton Perreco a

540
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,920
three point two to three fantasy points per game player,

541
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,039
not all that valuable in the tiered dynasty league. You

542
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,799
mentioned Camper's strong performance this year at six point five

543
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,240
fantasy points per game, but both the goalies you acquire

544
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,000
here Daniel Tarasovnikirishmeda are hovering around that six point five

545
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,920
level as well, and you do give up a Tavars

546
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,160
on the downswing, still a productive player, but like you mentioned,

547
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,839
you got to get rid of some of your older

548
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,720
guys and get better here. Your compatriot Empire also known

549
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:58,240
as Dave, had this to say. Jesse posted that he

550
00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:00,960
had some will now players available and in this league

551
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,200
you have to go for it when you had the

552
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:05,319
chance I knew Jesse would love Cole Hudson being on

553
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,039
his favorite team, and packaging him with Carboneau would be

554
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:10,480
tough for other teams to beat. I was on break

555
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,279
and just threw a bunch of players at Jesse, hoping

556
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:13,920
he would have the time to figure out something that

557
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,160
made sense. And he did, and after a few tweaks,

558
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,960
we had our trade. Definitely sad to trade Cole, but

559
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,160
you have to give something to get something. So Jesse,

560
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:24,759
you two are now a Cole Hudson owner, and you

561
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,000
acquired a Victor Nunio favorite in Justin Carboneaux throwing a

562
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,400
couple goalies, and this is definitely a deal done with

563
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,519
a purpose. How do you feel about this one in

564
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,400
particular grabbing Cole Hudson and Justin Carboneau.

565
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I feel thrilled by it. You know, these

566
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,680
guys could come up and be extremely big parts of

567
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,200
my future team. So I'm thrilled to have both of

568
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,359
them come into my team. Man.

569
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cole Hudson especially, I mean, like we were talking

570
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:52,559
about earlier, I think there's a potential he could be

571
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,559
on the Washington Capitols next season. Maybe he doesn't have

572
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,799
quite the Laane Hudson breakout, but his defensive prowess is

573
00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:01,240
going to keep him in the lineup certainly through next

574
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:03,519
season and we could be looking at a potential Calder

575
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,559
candidate here. Victor, what do you make of this trade?

576
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,279
Speaker 4: Well, as we sort of talked about late earlier, when

577
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:14,079
you get a Hudson, either Hudson, you're pretty happy. Except

578
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,000
maybe Quinn Hudson that might not be as exciting, but

579
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,160
we're not going to talk about Quinn.

580
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: But Cohl or.

581
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 4: Lane, I think you're you're pretty happy with what's going

582
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,640
on here. And you know, I think that if you

583
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,400
just stopped at that, I think you could say this

584
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,680
was a raging success. But you know the guys you

585
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:32,400
gave up, you know, Tavares, how much longer is he?

586
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: You know, going to be relevant?

587
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,079
Speaker 4: Probably for a couple of years, but you know he's

588
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,880
certainly on the downswing. And Kemper you know, goalies can

589
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,799
last quite a bit longer, and I think that he's

590
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,720
relevant per Eco is to me, he's kind of on

591
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:49,160
that cut line, you know, holds a little bit more

592
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,480
value because of his periffs, but he's you know, he's

593
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:52,759
kind of near replacement level.

594
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,279
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't I wouldn't worry.

595
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,759
Speaker 4: So much about him, And I think the guys that

596
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,119
you got are are incredible, you know. I mean, I'm

597
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:01,759
a big fan of car We talked about him on

598
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:06,799
the last episode and tires off. I think he's a stud,

599
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,279
and I think that he's going to be a stud

600
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:12,240
on this very good Florida Panthers team. And this is

601
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:15,440
this always reminds me too when people talk about when

602
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,240
he was in Columbus and people at the time and

603
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:20,920
Leakans were good, and people were saying he's never going

604
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,480
to get games because of the guy in front of him,

605
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,640
And I always remind people that it can change so quickly.

606
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:30,240
Both Murdlicans is bad and he's no longer on that

607
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,759
team anymore. So the situation completely changed, and now he's

608
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:35,960
on a really good team and looking like he's going

609
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,039
to transition with Bob. You know, he's already getting a

610
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:40,880
good number of starts this year. I think that's a

611
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,519
fantastic acquisition. So, you know, and Schmied is another goalie,

612
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,559
you know, So the fact that you got for future assets.

613
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,759
I don't know how much schmid is is going to

614
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,160
be relevant, but you know, he's he's definitely on that

615
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,839
fringe of being in NHLer and could certainly get games

616
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:58,680
at any time, which you know, in your position, is

617
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,000
a fine guy to roster. If you're competitive team, that's

618
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,359
frustrating and you may not want that. So the timing

619
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,319
just works out perfectly for your team too. So I

620
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,119
think I think this is a win win. You know,

621
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,160
Dave gets what he gets some very relevant players right now,

622
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,720
and I'm sure that's going to help and good luck

623
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:16,680
hopefully get promoted. And for Jesse, this is exactly what

624
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:18,960
you want to do, get some great assets. It's great

625
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,119
about these guys too. Is the timing is mixed, right,

626
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,559
You got guys that are playing now, You got guys

627
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,039
that should be relevant as early as next season, and

628
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,279
then Carboneau maybe you know, two or three seasons from now,

629
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,279
so you're extending that window, which I think is really

630
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:32,079
helpful as well.

631
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Victor, just I want to throw one note out there.

632
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,440
This is maybe me stepping out on a limb a bit,

633
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,640
but I'll be interested to get your thoughts here. I

634
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,559
personally think that you know, we've seen a lot of

635
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,799
a kind of an outflux of talent from the CHL,

636
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,440
specifically from the WHL and the OHL into the NC DOUBLEA.

637
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,240
But I think the Q has actually gotten better this

638
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,559
season from the influx of Massachusetts players who no longer

639
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,680
need to play in the USHL. I think the CUE

640
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,920
is actually going to be a lot stronger going forward,

641
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,839
or at least this season it has been. And if

642
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,359
I look at Justin Carboneau this season, in his year

643
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,640
for the Blackfield Boibrion Armada, sixty five points in forty

644
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,039
seven games, he's looking on pace, you know, to kind

645
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,839
of match or exceed what he did last season, which

646
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,960
was an eighty nine point performance. He's almost at that

647
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,000
level for goals alone. He had forty six goals last year,

648
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,559
forty two this year. I think, you know, if we're

649
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:29,640
seeing the quality of competition go up in the queue

650
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,319
and we're seeing Justin Carboneau maintain or even improve in

651
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,319
that time, I think that's a very exciting thing to

652
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,119
look at there.

653
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this the landscape has completely shifted, as

654
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:44,160
you mentioned, and I do think that we are seeing

655
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,119
a flux in both directions.

656
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: As you pointed out.

657
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: It's interesting when this first started happening, people talked about

658
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,519
initially some Pollyanna takes of like this is the collapse

659
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,559
of the CHL, it'll never be good. And you know,

660
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,880
as you pointed out, I don't think that's really happening.

661
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:03,720
You're getting some maybe of the top guys coming down

662
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,119
to the States earlier, but you're getting some American players

663
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,960
going the other way, you know. And I think that

664
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,599
you're getting some opportunity in each direction. And I think

665
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,720
it's going to equilibrate to be somewhat similar to what

666
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,000
it is now. I think maybe the NCDA the n

667
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200
CUAA will be a little bit better from some of

668
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,720
those top end players. But the NCAA teams that win

669
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,279
have always been the older, more experienced player. It hasn't

670
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,160
really been those with elite young talent. I mean, I

671
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,359
just think back to that Michigan team several years ago

672
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,799
that had like ten or plus first round picks and

673
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,920
they couldn't win.

674
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,319
Speaker 2: They couldn't win against the bigger, stronger, older players.

675
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,839
Speaker 4: And I do think it has created the CHL, and

676
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,319
especially the Q as you mentioned, has has now more

677
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,519
opportunities for some of those guys that wasn't there before.

678
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:51,359
So I think I do think it's interesting and I

679
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,640
have I do think the reputation of the Q has

680
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,799
shifted a little bit as well, So I think that

681
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,400
that's kind of interesting to follow. And I'm most grateful

682
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,119
that you prone the city of where the Armado play

683
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,519
is because I don't think I could have.

684
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's why you have the resident Canadian. That's soon

685
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,880
to be two Canadians on this podcast to speaking of Jesse,

686
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,279
who's grin gets wider and wider as we talk about

687
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,839
how great Justin Carboneau is going to be and that

688
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,240
Grinn is going to continue to expand here as we

689
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,839
talk about this next trade, which is a one for one,

690
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,200
Jesse acquires James Hagens from Sasha Leguard for Dougie Hamilton.

691
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,799
I mean, just take us through this a little bit, Jesse,

692
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,519
because that's that's an exciting player to pick up James Hagen's.

693
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I've said it before on here. The hardest

694
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:41,079
thing is to find a team that is in contention,

695
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:46,839
who has an exciting prospect. And you know, Sasha Leaguard

696
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,039
and I went back and forth, I don't know how

697
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,039
many times to make a trade, but I was targeting everybody,

698
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,079
like everybody from like second to fourth place type teams.

699
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:02,480
I was fired out offers to and there were many

700
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:04,319
more players in it for a while. Then we got

701
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,240
it down. I said, why don't we just do Higgins

702
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:08,360
for Hamilton? And I said, I'm just going to leave

703
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,119
it here for you if you want to take it

704
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,760
before the trade deadline, and ultimately he did. I mean,

705
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,039
we all know how awesome Dougie Hamilton can be when

706
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:21,480
he is all over it. And yeah, you'll see with

707
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,679
Sasha's comments some of the things that he had to

708
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,960
say about Hamilton, which were quite accurate, this isn't exactly

709
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,480
a by low on Hamilton right now. But again, considering

710
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000
that Hamilton, while he's not old, he's still in his

711
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,960
I believe he's still in his early thirties. He defenseman

712
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,960
he could last a while. I was ready to take

713
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,320
the chance on a top flight prospect who hopefully will

714
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,159
fit with the rest of this window I'm trying to build.

715
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:51,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you teed me up for it. Here. Sasha

716
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,760
says that Hamilton is a top eight defenseman in TIDY

717
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,880
since January first, and as you mentioned, no one was

718
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,400
selling in the division, and so he took the deal

719
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,159
he could without totally ruining his farm system. He says

720
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,519
that Hagens is a great prospect, but as Jesse pointed

721
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:08,480
out in our discussions, I might not get to see

722
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,840
him play on my team as I hope for an

723
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,599
eventual promotion. His dispersal draft allowed him to pick up

724
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:16,559
a lot of young players like James Hagins, and so

725
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,280
with d men being very valuable in the tidy Hamilton

726
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,400
being the power play one guy in New Jersey until

727
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,360
season's end, he is happy to make that swap. So, Victor,

728
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,639
what do you make of this? You know, James Hagens,

729
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,559
I'm sure we don't need to wind you up too

730
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,639
much to get you excited to talk about him.

731
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Haigens is obviously this is this is

732
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,800
a great piece of work here for Jesse. I think

733
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,039
long term having Haigens is going to be great, and

734
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,840
hopefully it works out for Sasha. I mean, quickly, on Hamilton,

735
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,039
he's been just a strong, you know, all around producer,

736
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,920
even well above replacement. He's not a star defenseman on

737
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,239
your team, but he's someone who provides consistent.

738
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: Value and you're really happy with that. So hopefully that

739
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,480
helps Sasha.

740
00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 4: But the promotion, and you know, in terms of hag

741
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,920
and I think he's been a little maligned. I mean,

742
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,079
people remember last year he centered that top line in

743
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,679
the Americans won goal between two superstar wingers, and this

744
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,199
year they were a little disappointed with how he produced.

745
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,320
But the reality is that American team this year just

746
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,199
wasn't gonna wasn't going to be it, even as well

747
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,400
as he played, and on a bit of a down

748
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,840
season for Boston College, He's you know, thirty four points

749
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,280
in twenty six games.

750
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,079
Speaker 2: He's great. Is he like superstar talent? I don't know.

751
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 4: I think he can still be a first line center

752
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,639
for the Boston Ruins, which is what they drafted him

753
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:39,039
to be. I have him ranked currently eighth in my

754
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:42,679
prospect ranks and my updated prospect ranks, with a bunch

755
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,679
of guys who have graduated, so he's definitely up there.

756
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:47,719
He kind of slid down a bit with guys like

757
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Hage and Seneke and churnershov protash Martone passing him, and

758
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,679
so I think that speaks more of the other players

759
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,280
than it does necessarily of him.

760
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: But I do think that Hagens is going to be

761
00:36:59,239 --> 00:36:59,519
one of.

762
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 4: Those guys, probably a little bit better in real life

763
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,719
than he is in fantasy. But he'll still be good

764
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,079
at fantasy. He almost reminds me a little bit of

765
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,880
Nico Heeshire. You know, I think Higgins is more dynamic offensively,

766
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,599
but I think what you think about he's here in

767
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,719
terms of like he's he's just a solid guy. Like

768
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,760
he's not someone who is going to be your superstar

769
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,679
on your fantasy team. He's someone who you probably start

770
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,760
all the time or most of the time though, and

771
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,320
provides good value and especially in the tidy where it

772
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,800
rewards good you know, play driving. I think that that's useful.

773
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,840
And if you're in a league that you know counts

774
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,599
face off wins, obviously that will be useful as well,

775
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:35,480
because I think he does stick at center, and I

776
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,199
think he I don't know who else Boston is going

777
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,639
to have as a as a as a one C

778
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,360
unless they draft someone else or trade for someone else,

779
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:44,719
it's going to be him for years to come. So

780
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,039
that's that's nice to think about too, because they should

781
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:49,920
still have some really good wingers for years to come

782
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,320
after this.

783
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: So I love the trade.

784
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:55,639
Speaker 4: Jesse talk to me about this one and I was like, yeah, obviously,

785
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:57,840
if you can get Higgins for Hamilton and that you

786
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,840
know he wasn't He wasn't unsre sure about that, but

787
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,000
I just asked what I thought.

788
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: Obviously, that's a win for him.

789
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: I've been watching a lot of Hagens this year myself.

790
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:09,760
I like to keep an eye on the D plus

791
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,360
one kind of guys here, and what I've noticed a

792
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,480
lot with Hagens this year is he's doing the little

793
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,559
things well. There seems to be a real focus for

794
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,840
him on trying to, you know, win those board battles,

795
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,400
win those kind of fifty puck battles in open ice,

796
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,000
doing these kind of quick moves, puck protection, that kind

797
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,159
of stuff has been a big focus of Hagens's game,

798
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,480
and he's still been able to maintain the point scoring.

799
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,559
And so I really like your Nico Heischer comparison. Not

800
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,559
to put too much pressure on the young Bruin here,

801
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,000
but could we even be looking at potentially a patrese

802
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,480
Berger on light. I know that that's kind of a

803
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,880
lofty expectation there for this kind of player, but Boston

804
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,400
hasn't had a young prospect like this in a long time.

805
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,719
So dare to dream, and Jesse, you can dream along

806
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,360
with those Bruins fans. We have certainly not saved the

807
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,280
best for last year. This is just a very simple

808
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,960
pro for pro deal with Tidy Commish team leader Tim Ay.

809
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,280
You got rid of Radco Goudas, the menace on the

810
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,280
Chechia blue line in the Olympics this year, especially against

811
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,440
Team Canada in that quarterfinal game. You got rid of him.

812
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,880
You acquire Sam Girard. I'm just gonna lay it out here.

813
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:16,840
Goudas was a four point two Fantasy points per game

814
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,559
guys Gerard was a two point seven. Tim had this

815
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,280
to say that you offered it and he accepted. The

816
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,159
difference was really goodas at four point two versus Gerard

817
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:27,119
at two point seven and being in win. Now he

818
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,800
took the one point five for the rate. Now Jesse

819
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,119
gets a guy eight years younger that has performed at

820
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,320
or higher than that level in the past, and although

821
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,320
his time on ice is down three minutes a game

822
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,920
and he is surrounded by more depth in Colorado that

823
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:43,199
there could be an uptick here. He almost sold a

824
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:46,760
bit instead of buying in his particular season with the Tidy,

825
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,880
but figured this was a low cost move that may

826
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,559
not move the needle too much. It's like showing up

827
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,719
to a knife fight with a butter knife. You never

828
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,239
know what an extra eight to twelve points will be

829
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,280
for the difference in a matchup. So Jesse, you offered it.

830
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,119
Are you seeing some something in Gerard that the rest

831
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:02,960
of us maybe aren't? Take us through this one a

832
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:03,400
little bit?

833
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: I saw eight years That's that's what I saw that

834
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,760
And yeah, that's exactly why I made the trade. I mean,

835
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,960
Gudas is high out. You know, Gudash may you know,

836
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:18,559
he may lose some value because I don't think he'll

837
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,559
be able to get into Canada to play any additional

838
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,239
games after he injured Sydney Crosby in the Olympics. So

839
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,519
right there, that's like one eighth of his games or

840
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:28,679
you know, one maybe one six of his games he

841
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,199
won't be able to play now. But no, I mean,

842
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,159
I and I love Gudash. I've got him in a

843
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:35,800
bunch of leagues. I love that he's always got that

844
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,920
bash floor. But I'm just I'm betting that Saint Gerard

845
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,559
is going to turn it around and get more points

846
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:44,199
than he did this year. And again, I'm just getting younger,

847
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,159
I got it. I'm moving off those those mid thirties

848
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:50,800
guys and thinking that I'm trying to build something yet

849
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,079
to come, and even if Gerard doesn't bounce back, well,

850
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,199
Gudash is only going to lose value on my team.

851
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, completely makes sense, Victor, Do you have anything else

852
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:01,599
add to this pro for pro deal?

853
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:06,559
Speaker 4: Just that I don't think there's much value in Sam Girard.

854
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,599
I understand getting younger, but you know, you take a

855
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:13,800
swing goodness isn't really going to help Jesse, so sure,

856
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,800
but I probably would have just held him sometimes.

857
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,679
Speaker 2: I think the advice is just hold.

858
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: The old guy, you know, unless you get something more interesting,

859
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,280
which is hard to do because you're like, why not

860
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,239
get younger? Well, because I don't know that Gerard is

861
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,320
going to be much more than replacement level or below

862
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,519
replacement levels. So I mean, I don't fault Jesse for

863
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,280
doing this because maybe he'll get more value. And when

864
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,400
Colorado has been really good, that Fenwick will help drive

865
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,960
up the value of players like Gerard, so you can

866
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,400
have that. But I think there's a lesson sometimes in

867
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,599
just holding and holding, holding, holding until you get something

868
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:50,960
that's more interesting, which which might have happened here or

869
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,760
it might not have you know.

870
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: Who knows, Yeah, who knows indeed, you know Sam Girard,

871
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,760
he does seem like the odd man out on that

872
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,400
Colorado Blue line, and his contract is coming up, if

873
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,119
I recall correctly, maybe he ends up somewhere else and

874
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:05,840
gets a bigger role. It's a little crowded in Colorado,

875
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,480
so I could definitely see bidding on that potential opportunity.

876
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,280
But as we've been talking about, not a huge, huge

877
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,159
deal here and just for posterity here, most of the

878
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,639
Tidy fandom believes that this is a fair trade sixty

879
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:20,920
two point five percent. I think that eight years is

880
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,679
enough to offset any potential you know, gouddis, you know,

881
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:27,800
strong play for the next couple of seasons. I also

882
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,840
kind of think that Gouddas at thirty five, he's on

883
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,000
his way down, like Jesse said, and I don't think

884
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,199
he's going to be able to keep up with, you know,

885
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,360
the influx of great young defensive talent on the Anaheim Ducks,

886
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,480
and so I think it's fair to want to move

887
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,559
off of Goudas. When we get back from our break here,

888
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,599
Victor is going to be the one in the hot seat.

889
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:54,400
You're listening to Tidy takes, say.

890
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: Save Shirt's Philly, What do you think of metaphro like,

891
00:42:58,119 --> 00:42:58,880
let you have him?

892
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: Almost nothing that really am amazing.

893
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,119
Speaker 1: All I want is a couple of bucks in the

894
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:08,199
sweet Man throw in, say Anderson.

895
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: Anderson and I can no, you don't. Nobody likes it.

896
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:14,760
I don't even know why I'm doing this. Let'tous do it?

897
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Benifro from Michael Supers Anderson you I don't even

898
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:18,119
know his name.

899
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: I'll freak upout.

900
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,079
Speaker 3: Thank you about it? Call me back.

901
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Tidy Tamson, Victor. It's your turn now

902
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,679
to answer for some of the decisions that you made here.

903
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,679
You finished the season in the Lord Stanley Division in

904
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,960
tenth place, just like Jesse who finished tenth in the

905
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:39,639
Tidy Lemiue Division. Victor, I imagine your reasoning is pretty similar

906
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:41,800
to Jesse's as to why now for a retool?

907
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,159
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.

908
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: And for those of you who may not be familiar

909
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:46,840
with the format, I just wanted to go over it

910
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,079
real quick. Because the top six teams make the playoffs

911
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,039
and can win the championship. The bottom four teams play

912
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,800
in a relegation round robin and three of them get relegated.

913
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,360
So the Lord Stanley Division is the only one where

914
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,679
it's a bit different, and the relegation is a more

915
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,280
serious risk for more teams because three going down is

916
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,519
certainly much more than one out of fourteen, and so

917
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,440
or sixteen being in that In that seven to ten

918
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:16,920
or even eleven range, I worked really hard to get

919
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,760
myself to the point where I knew I was safe,

920
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000
and once I knew I was safe, I realized it's

921
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,440
time to blow it up. Because I worked hard to

922
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,760
get promoted into this division that takes some effort, and

923
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,000
then to just not get relegated the first season is

924
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:34,000
a herculean effort, in my opinion, because you're generally picking

925
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,400
from the scraps of the teams that got relegated, and

926
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,800
so that can be a huge challenge. Both Don and

927
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,519
I were able to avoid that in the first year

928
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:43,519
and then kind of push ourselves to the middle in

929
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,000
the second year, which has been great. And then you

930
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,360
look around and you realize you have very little chance

931
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,480
of competing with some of the teams that are at

932
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,119
the top, so you really need to kind of push

933
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,920
it down the line a couple of years. And that

934
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,320
was basically my reasoning, like I need to get younger

935
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,880
and get some more star potential, some decent players to

936
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,320
give to the win now teams, So it made sense.

937
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I originally included the fact that you were both

938
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,039
in tenth place, just as a little dig from the

939
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:12,639
second place finishing team, the BFFs in the Lord Stanley

940
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,880
Division here. But you're right, Victor, that if you in

941
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,039
tenth place and Jesse in tenth place is a very

942
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:20,559
different kind of set of circumstances. So if Jesse is

943
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:22,960
thinking he needs to rebuild, then you kind of really

944
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,079
need to rebuild. And in true fantasy hockey life fashion,

945
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:29,519
you acquired a boatload of great young players and some

946
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:32,280
who can actually help you as you compete for a

947
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,920
higher draft pick. That seventh overall is available to you

948
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,360
in this format as well, So you acquire a star

949
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:44,199
goaltender prospect for the Minnesota Wild justper Wallstadt, defenseman Denton Mattaichuk,

950
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,519
and Axel sandin Pelica, two great young pieces who are

951
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:52,079
already contributing for their NHL teams. From Simon Weekend at Corsi,

952
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:56,199
who's been busy as well, he acquires from you Andrey Vassilevski,

953
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,599
brock Faber and Mattias Ekholmb just to keep everyone up

954
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:03,519
to speed, still has twenty two games of minors eligibility,

955
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:06,360
and with nine point three Fantasy points per game, those

956
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,400
will be twenty two very valuable games for one Victor

957
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,119
Nuno Mattichek coming in at three point seven, Axel Sandin

958
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:16,159
Pellica at two point five in his first full season. Here,

959
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:18,760
you're giving up Vassilevski, who is one of the top

960
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,679
goaltenders in our format at eight Fantasy points per game,

961
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,320
as well as a duo of kind of you know,

962
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,280
top four Ish defenseman and Faber and Eckholm at five

963
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,079
point five and four point six fantasy points per game each.

964
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:32,639
Simon says, this is the kind of move that you

965
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,679
make entidy to survive. Of course, I don't want to

966
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:38,639
move those three, three blue chip pieces, but Victor and

967
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:41,199
I usually find each other in these positions often enough,

968
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,960
so we have rapport. I had sent him some offers

969
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,360
and then canceled because I didn't want to move Walstead

970
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,719
unless I got something elite back. Long term, I don't

971
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,039
think I win here, but kudos to Victor for taking

972
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,159
advantage of my position, putting forward a solid offer of

973
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,719
three assets producing at a high level rate. Now for

974
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,599
my three young Studs, Wall and Betaychuck. We're producing pretty

975
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:05,039
decently this season. Asp not really yet, but now I

976
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:07,039
have three workhorses that can work in and out for

977
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:10,280
my team. I also didn't have a bonafide starter until

978
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,639
this trade. Without Vassilevski, this deal does not get done.

979
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,239
Victor had offered eck Holm for Hudson prior to me

980
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,280
dealing him to the BFF, so I was happy to

981
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,800
get him here. Simon is happy with his return. Vassilevski

982
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,079
for Walstead is a pretty clear now for later trade

983
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,239
and you're probably already winning that one, Victor. If you

984
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,559
ask me, how did you come around to the value

985
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,000
on the defenders in this deal?

986
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

987
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 4: I love working with Simone because he doesn't mess around,

988
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,159
and I also just wanted to mention that the what's interesting,

989
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,239
what I love about this league is that it's not

990
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,199
just the top teams that are pushing their chips in

991
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,400
to try to win. Now, it's the teams that are

992
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,199
avoiding relegation, which is what Simone is doing here. We can,

993
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,920
of course see he is at in fourteenth place and

994
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,360
he's going to be in that round robin and absolutely

995
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,079
needs to be one of the top teams to avoid

996
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:58,880
that relegation, and so I think that's what makes it

997
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,079
extra interesting. You get buyers at the top and the

998
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:02,920
bottom of the league and the sellers in the middle,

999
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,960
and so that adds some extra context here.

1000
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: So, you know, Faber has been a really interesting.

1001
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,199
Speaker 4: Guy and watching his trajectory, having him that first season

1002
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,679
when he was great, and then the next season when

1003
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,239
he kind of, you know, regress quite a bit, and

1004
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,719
then this season seems to be coming back around with

1005
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,519
some increased value. That volatility is just something that I

1006
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,599
wanted to kind of move away from because I wasn't

1007
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:28,679
sure it was going to continue to be Who's going

1008
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,840
to continue to be such a strong asset, So I

1009
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,719
figured why not take the chance on Mitaichuck. I've always

1010
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,239
liked Mitaichuck, and I know that Zach Wrensky's ahead of him,

1011
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,280
but it seems like he can have some pretty good

1012
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,320
value there in Columbus. Obviously, asp is another really interesting

1013
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,559
guy who I think can have some significant upside.

1014
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: And you know, favor echo Holm well Ekom is older.

1015
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 4: Favor I already mentioned, so the fact that he was older,

1016
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,760
that made sense to flip him for someone much much younger.

1017
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,239
I still worry that ASP isn't going to necessarily really

1018
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,760
have the bash or time on ice to be an

1019
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,360
elite asset, but I think that he can at least

1020
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,400
be where eck Holm is. So far this season, ASP

1021
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,880
two point four nine Fantasy points per game, which is

1022
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,599
below replacement, but obviously he's a young player breaking into

1023
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:16,320
the league, and that Home at four point six to

1024
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,239
two with Favorite five point five three. So I think

1025
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,480
the guys that I'm getting can at least get to

1026
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:23,559
the level of Favorite ack Home. It might take a

1027
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:26,800
couple more years, but I'm okay with that. Hopefully they're

1028
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,199
helpful enough next season that I can continue to that

1029
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,760
I can avoid relegation and move up a little bit.

1030
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,079
That's the goal, and then obviously you got a trade

1031
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,719
value to get value. I knew that if I wanted Wallstead,

1032
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,039
I was going to have to offer up one of

1033
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:44,920
my best players, and I came into this division. I

1034
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:48,800
picked big time goalies early with my picks, and I

1035
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,880
had Bob and Vassilevski. They were a big part of

1036
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,960
allowing me to avoid relegation that first season. But I

1037
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,880
felt like it was time to move off of Vassilevski.

1038
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,079
To Wallstaed and I obviously I've been talking about wallstt

1039
00:49:59,119 --> 00:49:59,400
for years.

1040
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,039
Speaker 2: I'm always the world of him.

1041
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,199
Speaker 4: He's been great this season twenty three games to gust

1042
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,079
of Sin's thirty six, and he has a little less

1043
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:10,400
than half the goal save above expected. But the fact

1044
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,800
that they're even in the same conversation and actually the

1045
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,360
Delta Fenwick for Walsteat is even better, suggesting that he's

1046
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,800
doing better at this individual save percentage than with the

1047
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,840
protection that's been given to him. And save percentage generally

1048
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,559
thought of as more of an individual stat, with the

1049
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,440
goal save above average and expected having more related to

1050
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,559
the team. So I do think that walstead is a

1051
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:36,199
stud moving forward. The only question is how many games

1052
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:39,280
are you going to play compared to Gustafson who has

1053
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,920
another year after this one, or sorry, has four more

1054
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:42,800
years after this one.

1055
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: So I think he you know, they might be in

1056
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,400
a tandem.

1057
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 4: For years, or they have been talking about moving Wallsteed,

1058
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,079
so that would be very interesting if he went somewhere

1059
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,039
to be the guy. So I just well, yeah, I

1060
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:56,280
wanted to get younger, d maybe a little bit more consistent,

1061
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,920
and really I wanted Walstet that was the key that

1062
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,800
I wanted in this deal, and I knew that I'd

1063
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,800
have to give up something good, So trading Vasilaski's gonna hurt.

1064
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,000
But I think that Wallstead, if he can get more volume,

1065
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,159
will be just as good for years to come.

1066
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 3: I'm just impressed, as heck you got Walstead away from Simone.

1067
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:16,480
I've tried it and it hasn't worked. In fact, he

1068
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:20,079
said that he drew the line at being asked for Walstet,

1069
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:23,559
But I guess Vassilevski in a league where he is

1070
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,079
in danger of being relegated as a whole different thing.

1071
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,519
I'm not surprised to see you trading favor Victor. I

1072
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,639
know that you've been skeptical on him. In fact, I

1073
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,719
was surprised to see him on your roster, but I

1074
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,199
guess that probably was more of a factor from having

1075
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,880
to draft a relegation draft or a promotion draft, then

1076
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:42,480
that this is a guy who you would pay more

1077
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:45,400
for than anybody else in the league. But yeah, I

1078
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,239
like the return. I like the young defenseman that you're getting,

1079
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,039
even though the older ones in Favor is hardly an

1080
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:53,239
older one are currently more productive.

1081
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's three for three from my perspective

1082
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,480
here too. You know, I've been trying to get these

1083
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:04,280
young defensemen in tidy for years now. They're really hard

1084
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,840
to get. They are so valuable, especially guys who kind

1085
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,440
of play an all around role like a Denton Mattachuk.

1086
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,880
And I think, you know, we're starting to see what

1087
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,000
he can look like this season. We've seen in some

1088
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:18,000
of the games where zach Arnsky was out this year,

1089
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:21,559
him almost playing a half hour twenty eight, twenty seven,

1090
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,920
twenty nine minutes a night. That's excellent, especially for a

1091
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,320
guy who hits, who blocks, who shoots. He kind of

1092
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,639
does everything a little bit. And so I think we're

1093
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:33,280
looking at a stalwart on the Columbus Blue Jackets back

1094
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,639
end for a long time here. I understand the concern

1095
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:39,280
with asp Victor, but he does offer something that Moritt

1096
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,199
Sider and Simon Evanson do not, and that is his

1097
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,639
great you know, offensive zone awareness and transition play, you know,

1098
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,840
on the other side of the blue line there, I

1099
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,800
can see you being very happy with him as a

1100
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,519
potential power play quarterback. Mittaitchek, I could see him, you know,

1101
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:57,079
being quite you know, pretty close to Faber in a

1102
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,559
secondary role for the Blue Jackets. And this these realities

1103
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:02,559
could be realized very soon, so this one makes a

1104
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:05,480
ton of sense to me. The Veterans selloff for the

1105
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,320
Surrender team continues in this next trade with the manager

1106
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,239
Mason Black, who we dubbed in this very episode last season.

1107
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:15,960
The trade King Mason acquires from Victor Jake Debrusk, Patrick Kin,

1108
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,039
Connor Ingram and Brandon Bussy and in return you get

1109
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:24,639
Max Plant, Jack Bergland, Scott Morrow and Sergei Murushov. Just

1110
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:26,679
to kind of keep everyone up to date here, Debrusk

1111
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:29,519
and Kin are both kind of clearing that four point

1112
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:33,000
two ish fantasy points per game realm. The two goalies

1113
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:36,159
Ingram and Bussy that Mason gets are six point three

1114
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:38,960
and seven point seventy five fantasy points per game respectively,

1115
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,719
with twenty three minors eligible games left for Bussy, Murshav

1116
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,440
and Morrow have played in the NHL this season. Morrow

1117
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,559
has not made that much of an impact, but still

1118
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:51,480
has fifty six minors eligible games left, and Murushov He's

1119
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:54,599
got a long runway left as a minors eligible goalie.

1120
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:57,800
He's been pretty strong in his limited action thus far.

1121
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,039
Plant and Bergland haven't made their debuts yet, and I

1122
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:04,039
know you're very interested to talk about them. Victor first

1123
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:06,320
from Mason that he thinks the window to win and

1124
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,559
the Lord Stanley division is going to be very small.

1125
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,079
There are some really strong up and coming young rosters

1126
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:12,960
that are close to making big jumps in the standings,

1127
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,159
and as a contender, when you have an opportunity to

1128
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:16,920
make your roster better, you have to go for it

1129
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,239
at the expense of valuable miners, players and prospects. I

1130
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,239
assume here he's talking about Mushov, Plant Bergland and Morrow.

1131
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,159
These guys would help him in the future, but he

1132
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,719
wants to win again now and banners fly forever. He

1133
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,400
finds that goalies are nearly impossible to acquire, and so

1134
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,039
Bussy was the main guy he was inquiring about. Originally,

1135
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,719
He's had the Hurricanes tandem of Anderson and Kuchetkov, so

1136
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,679
it was a blow to lose Kachetkov for the year,

1137
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,360
especially when Bussy started taking the majority of the starts.

1138
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:46,920
Being able to stream Bussy for the Miners added extra

1139
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,880
value that should help to gain a few extra games

1140
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,760
and max out his total games played. Pro move here

1141
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,840
from the former champion, All three players improve my roster.

1142
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,000
When Ingram is healthy, he can have runs as a

1143
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:00,320
one a starting goalie and on a very competitive team

1144
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,280
like Evonton, there is a high ceiling. Cain and Debrusque

1145
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,280
average over four Fantasy points per game, which is the

1146
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,519
threshold I used to try and build out my roster. Personally,

1147
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:10,480
I find that the best way to improve your fantasy

1148
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,679
team and Tidy is by acquiring players near the bottom

1149
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:14,920
of your roster and not trying to swing for home

1150
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,480
runs by trading for the superstars, because they are usually

1151
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:21,440
far too difficult to acquire. Cain and Debresque allowed him

1152
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,679
to jettison a couple of three point five fantasy point

1153
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,519
per game players, which could amount to somewhere on the

1154
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,639
range of fifteen to twenty points over a two week playoff,

1155
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:31,519
which is a significant improvement in what will likely be

1156
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:35,199
a very tight matchup. The Tidy managers voted him King

1157
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,559
of this deal Victor at seventy one percent, preferring Mason's return.

1158
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,239
Tell us why they might be.

1159
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,519
Speaker 2: Wrong, Well, I think it could be considered a win win.

1160
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're wrong, but as Jesse has

1161
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,159
often said, you can only do the trades that are

1162
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:53,280
available to you. And when I was looking at the

1163
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,639
obviously targeting the top teams and the bottom teams and

1164
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,840
see who's interested. A lot of teams didn't have the

1165
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:03,199
appetite for some of the trades, and I think what

1166
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,679
Mason said there is very important. A lot of teams

1167
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,000
just want the one star and they want to, you know,

1168
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,119
get the best player in the deal. And I think

1169
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:16,400
it's very wise what he said about filling out the

1170
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,840
making the bottom of your roster closer to the middle

1171
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,000
of your roster is really how you win championships as

1172
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:22,920
long as you have some of those top end players.

1173
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,719
And so knowing that, I thought that we could find

1174
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,280
some compromise. I actually tried to trade with some of

1175
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,320
the other competitors, including you guys, including some of the

1176
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,360
other players that are in the fourth, fifth, and sixth place,

1177
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,760
and I didn't get as much interest. Even Jack Z

1178
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,519
who won the first year and is in fifth place now,

1179
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:46,039
couldn't find a common ground there. So Mason, you know,

1180
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:48,920
seeing that we could find some more common ground, and

1181
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:52,960
obviously his roster is one that is ready to win now,

1182
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,320
I felt like we could find some more common ground.

1183
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,679
So I never really been a believer in Jake Debrusk

1184
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,079
and so getting him off my team and the fact

1185
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:03,480
that he was a little bit above replacement and kind

1186
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,199
of helped the depth for Mason was good for both

1187
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,400
of us. I think I picked up Ingram, you know,

1188
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,000
expecutively when no one wanted him, thinking that he could

1189
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,599
be irrelevant NHL goalie again, and I was right about

1190
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:15,400
that one, which was nice.

1191
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: And Bussy was someone who I had.

1192
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 4: Acquired or I had drafted, you know, just as someone

1193
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,239
who I thought might people to get games. I don't

1194
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:25,199
think anyone saw what he's been doing this year coming.

1195
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,880
And I do think he has some staying power just

1196
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,280
looking at his numbers, I do think that, you know,

1197
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,480
Bussy has sixteen point twenty six Goalsa above expected, and

1198
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:37,519
Delta Fenwick just at an absurd two point one seven.

1199
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: I don't think it's just the system, you know.

1200
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 4: I think obviously Carolina helps, but you have to be

1201
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,679
a certain type of goalie to succeed in that system,

1202
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,599
and he does, and so I think he has some

1203
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:47,320
staying power there.

1204
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,039
Speaker 2: He just signed an extension. Anyways, I think.

1205
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 4: That that's a really good haul for Mason, and after

1206
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:57,199
a brief discussion, this is basically what the trade was.

1207
00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: There wasn't a whole lot of negotiating or hangling back

1208
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:59,679
and forth.

1209
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:01,559
Speaker 4: I knew that I'd have to send value to get

1210
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,239
guys that I wanted, and Mason had some decent guys

1211
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,719
despite being a really top ten team. I think the

1212
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:13,239
Bergland acquisition was certainly influenced by watching the World Juniors

1213
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:15,639
and seeing what an absolute beast that guy is. And

1214
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,519
I have him ranked pretty lowly in my ranks. I

1215
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:20,679
have him two hundred and thirty second for forward. So

1216
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,960
I'm not saying that I believe in him wholly, but

1217
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:25,480
I do think he's the type of player who will

1218
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:29,280
force himself onto an NHL roster and be relevant, probably

1219
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,519
more in a middle six role, but he can still

1220
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,599
have value, especially with his bash. So if people aren't

1221
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:37,119
familiar with Jack Bergland, you might want to be because

1222
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:41,320
he's also a perfect Philadelphia Flyers player if he didn't

1223
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,679
know that's where he was. I think he's going to

1224
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,920
fit into that team identity perfectly. Max Plant, you know,

1225
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,239
having a bit of a down season at the World

1226
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,639
Juniors or tournament at the World Juniors is having an

1227
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:54,639
outstanding CBA career. I think he can slid into that

1228
00:58:54,679 --> 00:58:57,719
middle six in Detroit. I think there's still plus minus

1229
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,440
on that one. And Scott Morrow didn't quite to the

1230
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:02,320
NHL this season as well as I thought, but I

1231
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,679
still think he can be a big part of that

1232
00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:06,639
retool that's going to happen in New York or is

1233
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:09,239
happening as we speak. So I really like him, But

1234
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,480
the big piece for me is Serget Mershop. I think

1235
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:15,920
Mershop is going to be an absolute stud, number one

1236
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,440
starter in the NHL soon and he's gonna He's the

1237
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,679
biggest piece for me. So I felt giving Boosy and

1238
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:26,920
getting Mershoff, you know, it might end up being kind

1239
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,480
of a wash I do think Mrshoff has more upside,

1240
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:31,800
but Boosy is obviously relevant now, and so it made

1241
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,920
sense for Mason to flip those two and then the

1242
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,800
rest probably kind of wash out, sort of similar with

1243
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,000
some upside potentially there with Moro and Plant. So I

1244
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:43,320
think if you're looking at this just now, it's obviously

1245
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,760
Mason who does a lot, and I think the miners

1246
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,280
eligible for Boosy is just insane, like that's going to

1247
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:48,760
help him.

1248
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if he didn't win at this point.

1249
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 4: He's the best team right now and I think this

1250
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:54,199
trade made him a lot better, So I think it

1251
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:56,280
made a lot of sense for him. But I'm happy

1252
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,760
with who I thought. You know, there are a lot

1253
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,119
of teams that didn't want to brust Kane or or

1254
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,840
even Ingram for that matter, So I think Mason was

1255
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,400
smart to realize that it improved his depth and it

1256
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,639
gave me some decent pieces.

1257
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: So I think it's definitely more of a win win.

1258
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say. I'm not going to sit here

1259
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,800
and say that I won this trade because I think

1260
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:14,960
it's a win win personally.

1261
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:21,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you know, Patrick Kane, Connor Ingram, Jake Debrusk.

1262
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,960
I feel like their value is probably going to go

1263
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:29,559
down as time goes on. There's no there's no guarantee

1264
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:32,000
that you're going to be able to get anybody to

1265
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,239
pay up for them at the next trade deadline or

1266
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,480
in the off season or anything like that. So I

1267
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,599
can I can get it. Yeah, It's it's pretty rough

1268
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,079
in terms of what is the perceived value, especially with

1269
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:48,920
Boosey turning into what Boosey has turned into. But yeah,

1270
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,480
I mean, I'm not going against Victor when it comes

1271
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:54,679
to pickings and prospects. Who are impressing him on the

1272
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:59,239
way up. So yeah, I understand why Mason won this poll.

1273
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,800
Pretty handling. Never count out what Victor wants to do

1274
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:02,440
with these guys.

1275
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: No, I think let's just zoom out for a second,

1276
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,119
and let's remember that your goaltending tandem going into next

1277
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:14,280
season is going to include Sergei Mushov and Yesper Wallstad.

1278
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,480
So you've gotten two of what the top three you know,

1279
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:21,719
prospect ish goaltenders. I guess maybe you could throw in

1280
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,719
Sebastian Kosa in there in that top three, but two

1281
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,679
of the three who are gonna definitely play games and

1282
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:31,880
be starters for their various teams going forward. And so

1283
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:34,679
if we zoom out, that already is a huge win.

1284
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:38,400
And you you know you mentioned Jack Bergland. I think

1285
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:41,760
you mentioned he is a Philadelphia Flyer. I couldn't agree more.

1286
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:45,039
That guy is like the first Flyers draft pick in

1287
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:47,079
a long time that I've seen, and I've been like

1288
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:50,000
that guy could maybe be the next captain of the

1289
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,559
Philadelphia Flyers. He's not going to impress you too much offensively,

1290
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,840
but his two way prowess is not to be ignored.

1291
01:01:56,119 --> 01:01:59,159
I believe he was the team Sweden captain as well

1292
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:02,079
in the juniors. Wreck me if I'm wrong, but that guy,

1293
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:04,920
he is going to be an NHLer for a long time.

1294
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,440
He may not, as you mentioned, be this top flight

1295
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:09,880
offensive guy, but Jack Berglan's is a guy.

1296
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: Not to ignore.

1297
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: That's a little crowded in Detroit for Max Plant, but

1298
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,719
it looks like he might, you know, be able to

1299
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,679
be a hair ahead of guys like Nate Danielson, Marco Kasper,

1300
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:22,239
Carter Maser, Bransi Newguard, those guys who are all kind

1301
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,320
of that middle sixty archetype. I would definitely take Max

1302
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,360
Plant over those guys. And yeah, Scott Morrow, who knows.

1303
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,840
I mean, the Rangers are a tire fire. They're gonna

1304
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,760
have to eventually give it over to the young guys,

1305
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,400
and you might see some good work from him to

1306
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,760
close out the season here. He'll still enter next season

1307
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,400
with miners eligible games, and so you gotta be happy

1308
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,880
about that. Ultimately, I think this one looks like a

1309
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,480
deal Victor where you don't give up a lot of

1310
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:48,079
draft value. You mentioned you picked up some of these

1311
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:51,119
guys like Connor Ingram Bussy was kind of like a

1312
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,880
you know, a kind of a throw in in your

1313
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,800
draft debrask and Kane. You don't give up very much

1314
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,880
here to get a lot of really good quality in

1315
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,039
your minors pool, and that trend can Victor. In this

1316
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:04,519
next deal, you acquire some other Victor Newnial favorites in

1317
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:07,440
exchange for not very much. You give up to the

1318
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,000
Stanpeding Stallions, Josh Done just as sort off, Ian Moore,

1319
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,960
and Scott Wedgwood, and you get back James Hagen's an

1320
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,719
Igor Chernershov. Chernershov still with eighty five minors eligible games

1321
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:21,039
to go and already scoring at a clip that makes

1322
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,800
him above fantasy above average for fantasy relevance in our league.

1323
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:26,840
You give up sword Iff and More, who both have

1324
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:31,079
minors eligibility left on their games played, and Wedgwood, who

1325
01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:33,719
is a great goalie, but certainly not one who we

1326
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,119
can imagine continues his seven point eight fantasy points per game.

1327
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,719
Outlook here Doan has been a revelation for Buffalo this year,

1328
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:42,880
but you know you have to give to get. As

1329
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,360
we've talked about, Patrick of the Stampeding Stallions had Hagen's

1330
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,239
on his trade block for a while and only got

1331
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:50,920
a few really bad offers. That Victor was the only

1332
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,840
manager to really engage. He got cold feet on a

1333
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,880
potential earlier trade with him that could have been as

1334
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,559
good as this one in terms of overall value. I

1335
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,800
think Victor got more, but I need to try something

1336
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,280
to stave off relegation, and I got a good amount

1337
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,599
of value back and players that are well above replacement

1338
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:08,719
and contributing. Now, the poll kind of leans towards you,

1339
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,079
Victor forty two percent, saying that you won this one,

1340
01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:15,239
but Stampeding Stallions had twenty seven and the even option

1341
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,599
was at thirty, so pretty even here. Patrick thinks you won.

1342
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,760
The tidy managers give you the slight edge here. How

1343
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:22,920
does this one come to be?

1344
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:27,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, Patrick's right, and he's a really shrewd, shrewd manager

1345
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,840
and trader, so got to give him credit. I think

1346
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,440
I came to him earlier with a more basic one

1347
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,400
for one two for one Higgins and it wasn't as

1348
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,199
good as this, and he kind of held firm there.

1349
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,840
He's definitely one of those that needs to work hard

1350
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,679
to avoid relegation. I think when we started this discussion

1351
01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:46,679
he was at the bottom and now he's fifteenth, so

1352
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,559
I mean he's definitely going to be in a dogfight

1353
01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:52,039
with those other three to see who can say in

1354
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:55,159
Lord Stanley. But I also give him credit because some

1355
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,519
people in that position might just throw their hands up

1356
01:04:57,519 --> 01:04:59,719
and say whatever, you know, just give me whatever.

1357
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,159
Speaker 2: I'm probably going down anyways, I don't care. He's not

1358
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:03,840
that kind of guy.

1359
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:04,039
Speaker 3: You know.

1360
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 4: He definitely was trying to do the best for him

1361
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,280
and not you know, give me something really good for

1362
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,880
some scraps. You know, that kind of situation never makes

1363
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,599
the league good. So I appreciate his integrity there. And

1364
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:19,960
I'm not saying my first offwer was bad or anything,

1365
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,920
but it wasn't as good as this, And so you know,

1366
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:25,599
Doan I think is trending up. Obviously, he's definitely going

1367
01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:27,519
to be a strong player for years to come. Sort

1368
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:29,360
of has been a revelation I think for a lot

1369
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,400
of people. I always liked him. In fact, I have

1370
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:35,760
an article coming out with him soon talking about his prowess.

1371
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,519
I think he probably takes a step back with Pod

1372
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,599
back in the lineup now, but he's still a solid contributor.

1373
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:43,679
And Ian Moore is, you know, just a guy, but

1374
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,679
he's someone that's going to give him games and probably

1375
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:47,000
a little bit above replacement.

1376
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,599
Speaker 2: And we talked about the goalies earlier.

1377
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,159
Speaker 4: So I came into this year, well, last year I

1378
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:54,440
traded Bob, I had Bob Vassilevski and then Wedgwood and

1379
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:59,280
Busy and Boussy and Wedgwood just surprised the heck out

1380
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,519
of me this year with how well they were doing.

1381
01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:03,920
And Wedgwood has taken a step back now with Blackwood

1382
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,719
coming to the forefront, but he's still really valuable. He's

1383
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,199
given you tons of points when he's playing, and so

1384
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,480
I think that's super helpful. And then Doan being more

1385
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,760
helpful than a lot of his other wingers, plus you

1386
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,199
got the other portions there. I think this is going

1387
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:20,400
to really help the depth for Patrick and that's what

1388
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,559
he needs right now. And so for me, yeah, we

1389
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:26,079
talked about Hagen's already. Turnershop is an absolute stud. You know.

1390
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:30,440
I mentioned previously on a show that what the Sharks

1391
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,360
have been needing with Celebrini is someone who digs pucks

1392
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,400
out of the corner, protects bucks and is just a

1393
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,079
big physical presence. And that's exactly what Schernershop is. And

1394
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:42,239
he has looked really good alongside celebrating, and I think

1395
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:45,199
that duo could work for years to come. He got

1396
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,800
inexplicably sent back to the minors, but I think that

1397
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,920
his time in the NHL will be lasting and he'll

1398
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,039
be part of that top six for years to come,

1399
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,239
which may be surprising to some considering some of their

1400
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,639
high end talent, but I think he's a perfect compliment

1401
01:06:58,679 --> 01:07:01,960
to their star center, and so I was very happy

1402
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,119
to get these two. Initially, I was just going for

1403
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:06,800
Hagen's and then I said, what can what do I

1404
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,480
have to do to include Turner Shop And this is

1405
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:10,480
what we came to. So I knew that it would

1406
01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:13,000
have to include Wedgewood, which I knew would help him

1407
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,039
a lot, and I wouldn't need him hopefully with the

1408
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:18,440
other trades that I made. So it's one of those

1409
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,320
that you just have to figure out what your opponent

1410
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,239
needs and try to try to figure out what you can.

1411
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:23,639
Speaker 2: Get out of it.

1412
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:26,199
Speaker 4: So I think I think it's more I generally think

1413
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:28,320
these as a win win. Of course, I'm happy with

1414
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,119
the guys I had moving forward, and I hope it

1415
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:31,760
works out for Patrick.

1416
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 3: Well. Team Hagen's here, so I'm glad that Victor Yagan's

1417
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,360
brothers now. But all I can say is, how dare

1418
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,840
you trade Justin sort of. Who's the leading scorer on

1419
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,199
my keeping Carlson Crossover draft team which is currently in

1420
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,280
last place, but Justin sort of is still the leading

1421
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,360
scorer for that thing, man, So yeah, Scott Wodgwood, the

1422
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,159
expery date on him will not be long. Although, Josh Dohman,

1423
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,960
you were right about him a couple of years ago,

1424
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:01,960
and I didn't quite buy it as much as I

1425
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:05,119
as I should have. So this is, Yeah, it makes

1426
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:08,079
sense for both teams, and you're building the roster that

1427
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:11,000
you want after getting up there and grabbing what was

1428
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:13,679
available first, now you're building it to what you want. Victor.

1429
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to make the same point Jesse

1430
01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:19,960
that when you have these kind of drafts from teams

1431
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,000
that have been relegated, you're kind of just left with

1432
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:25,039
the scraps. You are building a team in your own image. Here.

1433
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:27,199
We're all happy to see that Justin sort of. I

1434
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,239
just want to take a second to just you know,

1435
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,680
you're right. He has been great this season. Who knows

1436
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,920
how long it continues, but obviously Washington saw something in

1437
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,840
him given the price that they gave up to Florida

1438
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,319
to trade for him before the free agency deadline last season,

1439
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,640
and so sort of certainly is contributing a lot for Washington.

1440
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,159
Josh Stone looks like he's going to be a Buffalo

1441
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:51,800
Saber for a very long time. But I do think

1442
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,119
that you've acquired a superior player in Igor Chernishev, who

1443
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:57,079
will be a San Jose Shark for a long time

1444
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:00,000
and probably do a little bit more than what Josh

1445
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:02,439
Jont can do. So I would be very happy with

1446
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,439
the Hagens Chernishop side of this deal. We're going to

1447
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,279
talk about the last deal here, and this one's a

1448
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:09,159
bit of a perplexing one to me, Victor, and so

1449
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:10,600
I'm going to get it over to you as soon

1450
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,000
as possible here to explain it. This is a deal

1451
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:16,319
that you made with Tidy Commission team member Pizen Kraftzer,

1452
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,359
who is a you know, a revered member of our community.

1453
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,880
Always has great takes and great insights you were able

1454
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,319
to acquire. I guess I should say what you gave

1455
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,119
up first? You gave up Sam Malynsky and Denver Barkie.

1456
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,600
So another Colorado Avalanche depth d here moving in this

1457
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:38,119
episode for Michael Hage, Justin Carboneau and Rasmus Sandean lots

1458
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:42,159
of great upside here for you, for the NHL players involved.

1459
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:45,079
Malinsky is a four just a straight up four fantasy

1460
01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:47,960
points per game defenseman, which has some value in our league.

1461
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:50,920
Sandin who you gave who you acquire here is a

1462
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,960
three point three eight. Maybe less valuable, but you do

1463
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:57,039
get the better of craftser I think. In the HAGE

1464
01:09:57,039 --> 01:10:00,560
in Carboneau for Barkie side of this deal says that

1465
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,920
you made an enticing offer chasing carbon in a few

1466
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,520
weeks back that he probably should have taken, so he

1467
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,960
knew you had strong interest there. He says that his

1468
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:10,279
d is ugly, and with the solid, advanced stats and

1469
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:12,640
new contract on Malinsky, he was comfortable buying him at

1470
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,680
a premium to try to survive. I probably overpaid a

1471
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,520
bit adding in HAGE, but I was striking out with

1472
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,079
other suitors and needed to send something across that I

1473
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:23,279
felt would be accepted. Barque back was to enhance minors

1474
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:25,960
eligible producers to help max out games played in the playoffs.

1475
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:28,279
Gave up a lot of futures, but the interesting wrinkle

1476
01:10:28,359 --> 01:10:31,520
is it's playing not just for survival but also a

1477
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,119
shot at first overall, which helps restock the cupboard in

1478
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:37,359
a big way. So Victor, we all agree here, including

1479
01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:39,359
crafts A that you got a lot in return. I'm

1480
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:42,239
having a real hard time parsing this deal, if I'm

1481
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:44,800
being honest. Take us through the process here.

1482
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:47,399
Speaker 4: Well, part of the process here is play all the

1483
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,760
teams against each other, right, I mean, so I was

1484
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,359
reaching out to all the teams, and I think that's

1485
01:10:53,399 --> 01:10:56,479
an important lesson, like, you know, pit them against each other.

1486
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,720
See what they're willing to give, see what they need,

1487
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,760
see the what you can get from them. And there

1488
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,680
were some teams that just didn't have that many interesting

1489
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,399
pieces that I wasn't as interested in working with.

1490
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 2: But you know, I.

1491
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 4: Basically made trades with three out of the four teams

1492
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,199
that are in the relegation round robin, and the other

1493
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:14,760
one just didn't want to engage as much.

1494
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 2: And so that was fine.

1495
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,039
Speaker 4: You know that you can't make trades with everyone, and

1496
01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:21,479
so yeah, I was looking at what I can get

1497
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,920
from each one of them. And I liked, obviously some

1498
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,720
of the players that kraftser had, and so I was

1499
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,479
very interested in trying to work with him. I did

1500
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,439
send him a few offers and didn't go anywhere.

1501
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 2: So as he I think kind of was taking stock

1502
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:37,560
up where he was at.

1503
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 4: It made a lot of sense to make this trade.

1504
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,199
You might say I didn't give up that much. I

1505
01:11:42,199 --> 01:11:44,119
think this trade came at the end when I didn't

1506
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:48,039
have as much to give. So, as Craftser said, I think,

1507
01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:49,560
you know, he might have done better if he'd made

1508
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,760
the trade earlier. Which timing in these trades is always

1509
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,399
hard to figure out. You never want to be the

1510
01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:55,439
first one to accept the bad trade, but sometimes if

1511
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,520
you wait too long, there aren't as many assets to

1512
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,880
go around, so that's always a tricky thing. But Malin

1513
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:04,039
is a guy who's well, who's above replacement, and you know,

1514
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:06,920
can certainly get some scoring on that stacked Colorado team.

1515
01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:09,359
I think Barkiy has been a little underrated. You know,

1516
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,199
he's been pretty decent, you know, not playing that much

1517
01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:14,840
for Philly, but he has some relevant times and being

1518
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,359
able to flex him in on those on those certain

1519
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,880
nights can be really helpful for him. And I'm sure

1520
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,399
that that was a big part of the Cactust As

1521
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:24,239
he mentioned the guys I got obviously, I'm very happy

1522
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:28,239
we've talked about carbone Hage is an absolute stud. I mean,

1523
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:30,960
he seems like one of the best young prospects right now.

1524
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,920
I have him ranked six in my prospect rankings, and

1525
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,079
that's with Demodov and Celebrini who have still not quite

1526
01:12:38,119 --> 01:12:41,399
yet graduated. So when those two graduate, he'll be top five.

1527
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,399
And so, yeah, Hage is awesome and Sandin is just,

1528
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,920
you know, someone who I thought, maybe he can be

1529
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,680
a little more as John Carlson sundowns and doesn't get

1530
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,800
as much plenty of time, maybe Sandin can be, you know,

1531
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,199
maybe just a little bit above replacement. He's not someone

1532
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:57,920
I'm super excited about, but just figure, hey, why not

1533
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,399
get another d And that was kind and where to

1534
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:02,680
work out. But yeah, very happy with this trade, happy

1535
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,680
to get those guys. I think Crafts was also very

1536
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,520
wary of, like I don't want to just send my

1537
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,159
top prospects for nothing. I want to make sure I

1538
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:13,119
get some value. I do think he maybe just waited

1539
01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:15,600
a little too long to get some of the better

1540
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,680
assets that I had previously by the time I got

1541
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,439
to this time in the trade deadline.

1542
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,319
Speaker 3: Yea, I Denver BARKI getting a return. I love that.

1543
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:26,840
I think I like your side of this one, Victor,

1544
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,199
And I think if Kraft was involved in this. That

1545
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:32,600
means that all four co commissions of our Tidy Leagues

1546
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,840
were involved in trades discussed on this show.

1547
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: Jesse, you would be right. I was about to mention

1548
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,439
that as well. These these are the managers who are

1549
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,439
some of the most engaged in our Tidy League. We're

1550
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,039
grateful to them for their contributions both to this episode

1551
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,239
and to the day to day running of the league.

1552
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,239
And that's going to do it for us here. That's

1553
01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:58,079
going to do it for Tidy Takes this season. With

1554
01:13:58,199 --> 01:14:00,439
the trade deadline having COmON gone, we had any new

1555
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,119
trades for me to discuss, and so I just wanted

1556
01:14:03,159 --> 01:14:05,439
to thank the listenership for I guess this is our

1557
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,840
third season of Tidy Takes, if I'm remembering correctly, It's

1558
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,199
been such a great ride. I love doing this segment,

1559
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,039
and especially the last couple episodes having Jesse around. It's

1560
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:17,159
such a treat to be able to engage with him.

1561
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,800
Both of these guys, they do such great work, and

1562
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,960
so I'm just very grateful for the opportunity here to

1563
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,239
be a part of this podcast on a semi regular basis.

1564
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,560
And thanks again to the listenership and to the great

1565
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,960
Tidy managers. Who give us a lot to talk about.

1566
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and thank you so much, Ryan for making these

1567
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,880
episodes so great to listen to all the prep you

1568
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,479
do and all the work that you and all the

1569
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,800
commissioners do on a tidy. It's a very big league

1570
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,079
and it's a lot of work to run, and we

1571
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:46,920
appreciate everyone's effort and all the participants that make it

1572
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,239
so fun. If you don't play in the league, I

1573
01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:51,039
highly encourage you to try it out. It's one of

1574
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:53,239
the most fun leagues that I play in. And it's

1575
01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:55,560
not just because we designed and run it, but I

1576
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,079
think the premise of it makes it really interesting.

1577
01:14:58,359 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 2: And I'm sure we'll have you back. Ryan.

1578
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 4: We love having you on the show, so definitely looking

1579
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:04,960
forward to future content.

1580
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 2: But I believe you have a little bit extra for us.

1581
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's been kind of up and

1582
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:13,439
down all season, but it looks like it's coming to

1583
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,199
fruition now. I have a meeting tomorrow, Victor, with one

1584
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:19,399
of your colleagues over at Dauber Prospects, an onboarding meeting

1585
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,319
as I'm going to be joining the team at Dauber

1586
01:15:21,359 --> 01:15:24,279
Prospects doing some of the back end updating of the

1587
01:15:24,359 --> 01:15:28,159
prospect profiles, which are so valuable to all of us

1588
01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:31,319
as we as we continue to live that fantasy hockey life.

1589
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,800
I'm very excited to be taking on this role and

1590
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,800
I'm planning to throw myself into it wholeheartedly, watch a

1591
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,039
lot of tape and really get up to speed on

1592
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:41,960
some profiles that need some updating with the hopes of

1593
01:15:42,039 --> 01:15:44,760
building my writing portfolio, so I can, you know, just

1594
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,000
write more about hockey. This has been you know, this

1595
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:50,199
is year three of me kind of getting into this

1596
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:54,479
content creation in the fantasy hockey realm, in the prospect realm,

1597
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,039
and so I'm just excited to be continuing on this journey,

1598
01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:00,600
and I could not be doing it with these two

1599
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,399
gentlemen who have been so supportive. Victor and Jesse. I

1600
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,640
can't thank you enough for involving me here with Fantasy

1601
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,800
Hockey Life, first as the commission of the Tiered Dynasty

1602
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,079
and now as part of this podcast. And you know,

1603
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:15,479
continuing on with keeping Carlson Tidy Takes isn't going anywhere,

1604
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,319
but I'm hoping to have a little bit more of

1605
01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:20,319
relevance to offer on this podcast going forward with the

1606
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:22,840
work I'm doing with Dauber prospects and so thanks again

1607
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,039
guys for everything you've done to get me to this point.

1608
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 3: Well, you're the best. Ryan. We appreciation man. Don't go away.

1609
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:31,520
We love you so No, it's right back at you.

1610
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,000
The love's right back at you. All right, let's let's

1611
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:45,920
take a break. We're gonna come back here. Ryan's such

1612
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,560
a good guy. I like that guy. Great having him

1613
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,319
on once again, our admiral taking us through the things

1614
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:55,560
that we need to know about the trades that the

1615
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:01,520
three of us made at the deadline in the Tidy League. Remember,

1616
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,399
fan Tracks is the place to play all your fantasy sports.

1617
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,880
I hope you enjoy doing that. There's all kinds of

1618
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,680
new things going on over there. You definitely should be

1619
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,479
tune it in and you can play nine different sports.

1620
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:18,199
Fan tracks HQ lots of fantasy content there. There's articles

1621
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:22,039
on fantasy hockey, other fantasy sports. And as we said,

1622
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:27,159
the Tidy Leagues are well, they're coming to the culmination

1623
01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:32,399
the playoffs. Tim, Ryan, Simoon and Crafts are the co commissions,

1624
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,000
the commission team of the Tidy Leagues. You heard all

1625
01:17:35,039 --> 01:17:37,800
four of them. Reference. As we said today, Tony and

1626
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,640
Patrick are lead scouts. Look forward to some more FHL

1627
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,560
Scout reports on upcoming episodes. Brandon helps with the website

1628
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,640
prospect ranks visualizations. If you'd like to help out the show,

1629
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,239
hit Victor up on Discord, email or social media and

1630
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,359
maybe bring up some good ideas and if you're willing

1631
01:17:55,399 --> 01:17:58,319
to help, behave we can always be doing cool things

1632
01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:02,800
Daber Hockey Prospects. Victor is an editor there. He writes

1633
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,119
his column The Journey You heard It. Might see some

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Brian Downey over there pretty soon. I do a solo

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show called Dynasty Sports Life. I talk about four different

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Dynasty sports. This week another in my City Blender series

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where we talk about the top Dynasty players across the

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four sports in one city. This time it's going to

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be Philadelphia, so there's going to be some Flyers talk

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along with Eagles Talk and Philly's Talk and seventy six

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er Stock. Follow us on social media. Jesse Severe on

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Blue Sky, The One, Victor on Blue Sky over on

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x you can find Victor Nuno twelve, or you can

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find fan Hockey Life Rate and review us on Apple pod, Spotify.

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Give us some five stars. That's all we really ask

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of you, and in return, we give you everything that

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we can think of to give you, to help you

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live this fantasy hockey light