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City Hockey Live once again.
Speaker 3: Jesse Severe, Victor Nuno talking fantasy hockey. How you doing today, Victor.
Speaker 4: I'm doing awesome, Jesse. That's been so fun watching the Olympics.
Some crazy storylines and yeah, it's been it's been a
good time. Maybe maybe some breath taking moments happening.
Speaker 2: But how you doing, my friend.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I'm doing good, getting myself, getting myself
into that, getting myself into you know, I've actually, i
think I've passed the shakes of the first few days
of not setting the lineup. Even worse, the NBA decided
to take their All Star break in the middle of
the Olympic break, so I'm really I'm really hard of Victor.
But at least we have trades, and trades are going
to be the theme of our day on this year
podcast because we have our buddy the Admiral back to
talk some more tidy trades from the deadline don't we.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do always a good time with Ryan Jones,
and I think we got some really interesting that we're
going to all put ourselves in the spotlight here and
it's going to be fun. Hopefully you find it useful,
even those of you not Entidy. There's some strategy and
some players discussed that I think will be relevant to everyone.
So definitely looking forward to that. And yeah, glad you're
here to check it out, yes.
Speaker 3: Sir, all right, we'll be right back because we want
to get into the meat of Tidy trades.
Speaker 4: All right, Welcome back everyone, and we're excited to bring
back into the studio our Tidy Admiral Ryan Downey, and
he's got some accountability to run us through.
Speaker 2: So how you doing, my friend, Ryan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. We hope you enjoyed our
first look last week at the Tidy trade deadline, and
as promised, we are back this week to face the
music on our own trades. Mine and Edwards BFFs, Jesse's
Milwaukee Blizzards, and Victor's Surrender team all decided at different
points of this season that this would not be our
year to win it all. In our various Tidy divisions,
and so we made some difficult decisions to prioritize competitive
windows in future seasons, and we're going to walk you
through them here today. Between the three of us, we've
got eight trades to discuss today, so we'll dive right in.
We're going to start, and here's the formatfort today. We'll
start with the bff's couple trades from the Mine and
Edwards team will transition to Jesse's team, and then the
second half will be all Victor, because Victor took the
veritable sledgehammer to his roster and looking forward to diving
in on that with you, Victor. But we'll start here
with the BFFs, who have historically been a top team
in the Lord Stanley Division of the Tiered Dynasty League.
We finished last season a distant third to Jack Zee
and eventual Tidy champion Mason the NHL ranking, and with
both of those teams only improving and with each of
them holding the first two championship rings for the Tidy
Lord Stanley Division, we felt that our best course of
action would be to try and retool for next season,
and over the course of the year, we shipped out
veterans like Sidney Crosby and Sergei Bobrovski in exchange for
players like Michael Misa, Gavin Brindley, and Thomas Harley. Some
Tidy listeners may remember we talked about those trades in
previous episodes of Tidy Takes. Those young players will form
the beginning of a young core whose primes we can
marry with some of our older players like Nico Hesher
and Leon Drysidele. Our next step on that journey was
realized in the first trade we're discussing today with our
friend and fellow Tidy Commission team member Simon, who is
the GM of Weekend at Corsey and Weekend at Corsey
acquired from the BFFs defensive prospect rookie however you want
to call him for the Vancouver Canucks, Tom Willander and
defenseman Gustav Forsling, And we go from Simon Cole Hudson
and Carl Lindbaum goaltender prospect for the Vegas Golden Knights.
And just to walk people through here a little bit,
Lindbam still has forty two games.
Speaker 3: Of the miners eligibility.
Speaker 1: Will Landers still has at the time of press fifty
five minors eligible games left and Foresling has taken a
dip from his last season previous season of being that
four point five five fantasy points per game guy to
being a mere three point five this season. With that
context out of the way, here's what Simon had to
say about the deal. That he had Cole Hudson on
the block for a bet a month to this point
with a handful of similar offers. He wanted some roster
flexibility and upside in Forsling was underachieving, someone that he
traded to the bff's last season to acquire Axel sandein Pelica.
So getting him with his positive regression this season, along
with Tom Molander, who he thinks has more upside than
giving credit.
Speaker 2: For, was a firm.
Speaker 1: Yes, he does acquiesce and say that Hudson might make
him regret it down the road, but the present contributions
Foresling and Wilander will raise his team's floor. Lind Baum
was someone he picked up off of waivers last year
and provided some depth for him. He will be a
one A one B goalie down the road that he
is not concerned about. He did lose his potential starts
this season, and actually I think we started Lindbaum the
day of the trade, so that was very helpful for
us at that time. With the Golden Knights goalie stack,
he thought it was safe to move lind Bamb. Not
a whole lot of back and forth with the BFFs,
just an offer and then a counter and then a
deal and Victor, that's about right. Interestingly enough, Edward and
I had been talking about how we might be able
to pry Hudson away from Simon a month earlier, and
we didn't think Fororesling would be enough to do it.
We thought we might have to move a Vince Don
or someone like that to get to Cole Hudson. Like
I mentioned earlier, I think a lot of people think
of Fororesling as the four point five fantasy points per
game guy and not the three point five fantasy points
per game guy he's become. So we smashed except on
this deal, and we're very happy to upgrade Wilander to
Hudson in the process while acquiring a valuable goaltender who
played a few games for US. So, Victor, what do
you think? Do you agree with the eighty eight percent
of tidy voters who think that the BFFs came out
victorious in this trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 4: I mean it's hard to not like the long term
upside of Cole Hudson Hudson. I've been on record saying
that I think he can be as good as his
brother Lane, he might even be better. And his BASH
is actually quite a bit better. He's at ninety eight
percent BASH, which is kind of crazy. He hits at
ninety fifth percentile for the NCAA. I don't think a
lot of people saw that coming. Anyone who rosters Lane
Hudson knows that he can score a lot, and there's
a lot of good things about rostering him, especially in
the tidy that it's play driving, but the bash isn't
one of them, and so that could be even better
for him. I'm also looking at the hockey prospecting for
these two brothers, and it's really fascinating. If you'll remember
that Cole Hudson is a late birthday June twenty eighth,
He was born on that first day of the draft
when he was drafted and not taken unfortunately, and Lane
is a February birthday. So if you think about that
and the fact that Cole has a lot more development
to go even without regressing his year, which he is
almost eligible for the following draft. He's been better at
Lane in terms of better than Lane in every year
of his development Draft minus one, draft season, DP plus one,
and Deep plus two. His star potential is higher at
every step of the way than Lane, and I think
that's pretty important to keep in mind as you think
about comparing these two. That doesn't necessarily mean he will
be better, but it is there's some strong indication that
he could be. And one thing that might have worked
in your favor is that Cole is having a bit
of a down season just in terms of points this
season at Boston University.
Speaker 2: He had forty eight points at thirty nine games last season.
Speaker 4: Right now at press time, twenty seven points and thirty games.
That might look like some regression, but I think the
bottom line is that he is still an outstanding talent,
and I think BU just has a little bit of
a step back going this year, So I wouldn't worry
too much about that. And I think the other thing
to think about is that Lane is currently the eighth
best offense under and the tidy setup but clicking at
six point eighty four Fantasy points per game. So did
you give up that much of an asset to acquire him,
I would say no. And so I think that you
did quite well here, all things considered.
Speaker 2: I don't mind Wallander and Foresling.
Speaker 4: I think that they can be solid middle of the
lineup kind of guys. But I definitely think that you
guys got the potential star in this trade, and so
definitely like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to argue against Cole Hudson. He does
feel like the best player in the trade. I get
what Simone's doing here. If he's high on Tom Millander
and he's watching those Cannucks more closely, I think than
many of us. And I know he's been a longtime
fan of Worsley. I know he's had him in our
four sport league and we've talked trade before, and I
think he was very high on him. So he's thinking
he's buying low. I don't know if I buy that,
given the changes that have happened with Florida since he
first showed up, namely Seth Jones, and you know Aaron
Eckbled was out a lot when Worsling was really kind
of at his peak. So I don't know that. I
do think that the Cole Hudson side is the better
one here. And Linn Baum, whether you believe that he
is particularly a star or not, how many goalies have
we seen go into Vegas now and at the end
up gatting the net and doing it. People who we
didn't think had the highest upside turned out to be
pretty pretty good fantasy players. Aiden Hill didn't have that
reputation when he got there, turned out to be much
better than the reputation. But I didn't go in there
with the highest reputation. So yeah, I think I get
both sides of it. I think I like the BFFs
a little bit better.
Speaker 1: Jesse. I appreciate you bringing up the Lindbam side of this,
because obviously Cole Hudson is the star piece here. It's
the star of the trade on both sides. But I
really am happy that we got Lindbaum. We, as you
may recall, gave up Bbrovski earlier this year. We got
off of him at seemingly just the right time in
that trade with Mystics earlier. But that did leave us
short in the goaltending department, and as you all know,
the tidy runs on goaltending. The goaltender games do not
get counted into the gameplayed limit of seventy five per week,
and so we were starting to look a little thin
at that position. And so given like you mentioned, Jesse,
how Vegas can make even ordinary goaltenders look like stars,
and particularly looking at how they've beefed up that defensive
presence the blue line there in Vegas, I was very
happy to pick up linn Baum as well. And yeah,
very happy to hear that Cole Hudson is on the
trajectory that he's on. I also considered the fact that
he was earlier in the funnel. I know, you guys
like to talk about that funnel, and so hard to
not like this deal for us moving forward anyways, So
I'll move on here to the next deal, which also
kind of fell in our lap as well. A little
bit from Mystics, who is by far our most frequent
trade partner, I think probably everyone's most frequent trade partner
in the Lord Stanley Division. It's that situation where you
develop a rapport with someone over the years in a
dynasty league, and that's certainly what happened here. Had been
asking us about Byron for the better part of the
entire season, and so we eventually arrived at the following
deal where she acquires Bowen Byrom, Nick Schmaltz, who had
been playing a key role for US this season and
goaltending prospect. I guess we can call him a journeyman
at this point. Michael di Pietro over in Providence, and
in return we acquired matt Vey, Mitchkov, Daniel Boot, Jesse
Severe Favorite, William Zellers, and Ben Sharratt. And just to
keep everyone up to speed here, Boot still has seventy
two games left of minors eligibility, Mitchkov obviously in a
down season in his sophomore year here with three point
three eight fantasy points per game, and Sharrot with three
point five to five. The rest of the pieces haven't
really made their impact yet in the NHL. Schmaltz with
a huge performance this season at five point five fantasy
points per per game, Byrom at around three point six,
and so lots of great moving pieces here. Donna had
this to say, this one may hurt as early as
next season, but it was purely about hopefully avoiding relegation,
and Donna, yes, you have done that. We're very happy
to see that you'll be returning next season in the
Lord Stanley, Schmaltz and Biram were on the bff's block,
so I wanted to try to acquire one or both,
and I knew it would take a good offer, as
the BFFs are shrewd negotiators. Thanks, she also said, as
is everyone in Lord Stanley, and she would know. She
felt that Mitchkov wasn't going to break up for at
least another season. As for daneil Booth, there's a lot
to like about him at six foot six inches as
a twelfth overall pick, with KHL experience and being near
point per game of the AHL this season before his
call up to the Mammoth. But you have to give
to get, and Schmaltz is a pretty consistent producer. Onto
Biram that he was a bit of a speculative ad
for her that he finally played a full season last
year after several seasons of miss time due to injuries,
and at only twenty four years old, hoping he puts
it all together. Although block from powerplay won by Dollien,
he does average a minute and a half on the
power play in that second unit plus shorthanded time, and
as a fourth overall pick, She's hoping he keeps getting chances.
She figures Dpietro's a gamble worth taking as the top
AHL goaltender last season, although at twenty six years old,
time maybe running out on him. He may be a
UFA after next season, and so maybe a new situation
will help kickstart his NHL career. So yeah, we did
indeed have Schwartz and Byram on the block. I personally
didn't think Schwartz would maintain his scorching hot pace that
he had established at the beginning of the season, and
also felt that Byram had been around long enough that
we kind of know what he is, and what he is,
in my opinion, is a slightly above replacement offensive defenseman.
Birom is actually one of the few Sabers guys whose
per game production hasn't increased while they've embarked on this
transformative season, and despite his twenty three minutes per game,
he returns only a shot and a block per game,
with negligible hits and a forty point pace. Only Schmaltz's
current seventy five point pace is on par with some
of his best seasons, but is bolstered by a strong start,
and he is about to turn thirty, and we imagine
the downturn come soon. Also, he is a UFA this year,
and who knows where he could end up at the
deadline or next season. If he loses deployment on a
team trying to win the Cup, then we would be
in trouble as we had been relying on him perhaps
a little bit too heavily for high level production that
couldn't possibly last. In return, we're taking a bit of
a gamble on Matt Faane mitchcalf who's certainly been in
the news recently due to some high profile clashes with
his head coach Rick Talckett. Before the Olympic break, Daniel
Breer had this to say in a press conference addressing
Mitchkav's relationship with the team. One thing I can tell
you first of all is Matt Fay mitchkalv is not
going anywhere. Let's make that clear. Matt Vey is going
to be here for a long time. He's going to
be a good player here for the Flyers. What he's
going through right now is all part of the larning process.
That's enough for the BFFs to feel confident that they
will give him the time and space to develop into
the player that he's meant to be, which we think
will be a point per game plus superstar in the NHL.
We keep a piece of the UTAH Top nine in
boot and get Will Sellers back after giving him up
pre World Juniors, paying a little bit of a premium
for his strong tournament performance, but happy to have a
high offensive upside piece in our minors pool. Victor, how
do you see this one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I shared the links in the dock here.
Speaker 4: Related to our scouting video Steve Peters scouting videos, and
he basically breaks down a lot of what I've been
saying about Mutkov for years. And if you're not looking
at the notes document, you can find Steve Peters scouting
videos on Twitter x. He's a fantastic follow and I
definitely highly recommend it. Yeah, for sure. So with the
puck on his stick, we know Mitchkov can do great things.
Away from it, he's kind of lazy and dare I
say soft? I know that's kind of a four letter
word for a lot of hockey players, but that's how
I see it. And we're going on years now of
this being the case with Matt Vie, Mitchcoff. It's not
like this is the first time we've heard this. He's
heard this complaint about him. He's said he's working on it.
He has done some work on it. But frankly, I'm
skeptical that he's ever going to get fully there and
reach his full potential. You said point per game plus player.
I'm not sure. It's certainly up to him whether he
can get there or not. It's all about effort, It's
all about his commitment to all aspects of the game.
This is not just a coach saying this. This is
multiple coaches and player development and managers of teams making
these assessments and scouts. So I definitely have some skepticism
there about his long term upside. But I also definitely
think that he's worth the speculative ad and someone that
you might want to acquire to see if he can
get there. It just depends on how much you have
to pay, which we'll get into. I'm not a huge
fan of boot. You said Utah's top nine. I think
that is the appropriate phrase. If you had said top six,
I would have probably quibbled with that a bit more.
But the fact that he is in that mix and
he certainly could see some top six time, but I
think middle six is probably more where he lands. I
think Boot could end up being Alexei Potash, and we've
kind of talked about that on the show, and I
think that would be a pretty decent outcome. He's someone
who has some relevance in fantasy, but isn't your must
start or must acquire kind of a asset. Shira is
well in real life. We know he's an anchor to
his defensive partner, and I don't understand how he keeps
getting these big contracts. He's physical, we know that he bangs,
and he provides some value in fantasy, so that's certainly
something and probably better.
Speaker 2: Than some of the replacement options.
Speaker 4: But I think the key here is Mietchkoff, and if
you get a star out of that, that's what you're
really hoping for. As for Donna Side, I can't say
that I believe environment anymore at this point. I agree
with you. He is what he is. I don't think
that's going to change too much. He's been in a
couple of different situations. Sure, you could say if he
didn't have Dollan in front of him, maybe it would
be different, But is someone really going to trade for.
Speaker 2: Him and make him the number one guy.
Speaker 4: The underlying numbers suggest that he can't handle that, that
that's not really who he's going to be, So I
kind of think that ship has sailed to reach the
true upside of what he was in junior, which is
disappointing because I've someone, I've been someone who believed in
him for a while now, but I just think this
is kind of where he's going to be.
Speaker 2: Second pair.
Speaker 4: Maybe top power play is as best he could do
potentially somewhere else, but I think that's also unlikely.
Speaker 2: Di Pietro man I've been pulling for him for years.
Speaker 4: I always really liked him when he was in the
Vancouver system and have been pulling for him. It's great
to see his resurrection of his career here in the
Boston system. I have him ranked seventy fourth now on
my goalie tiers. By the way, I meant to mention
to the previous discussion that I had Karl Limbaum at
twenty ninth overall, and I have his teammate Pablo Moystovitch
at twentieth, So Limbam is the second goalie I have
in that system. But anyways, I think DiPietro is turning
things around. He seems like he can make something of it.
I really hope he can. I think betting on a.
Speaker 2: Prospect goalie that doesn't beat into your game's played limit
is really great and so I hope that I hope
that he gets some games. I hope that it works.
Speaker 4: Out, you know, but we we don't really know, So
that's kind of a you know, speculation there.
Speaker 2: The other piece, the other piece, Nick Schmaltz.
Speaker 4: Nick Schmaltz is a really confusing and kind of frustrating
guy to own many steps because he could be great,
and also he can give you nothing because of his
slow bash. He's not the type of player that I
like to roster because of that. He can go scorching
hot and be one of the best players on your team,
or he can just be nothing, and so I like
to have someone that has a higher floor. But you know,
he's certainly going to help this year and probably will
be relevant wherever he goes if he does go somewhere else.
I do think it's going to be interesting to see
what happens with Kooley returning the rest of this season,
because there's no question in my mind that he's a
lock for that top line for years to come, and
so I think that it's going to be it might
be difficult or Schmaltz to find relevance too much further.
But all in all, I say this, Oh, and I
didn't mention William Zeller's on your side.
Speaker 2: I really like Zeller's.
Speaker 4: You know, he's someone who of all the players on
the Americans, he was one of the brightest spots of
the World Juniors and he's had a really great season.
He's someone who's risen in the ranks for me, and
I have him at ninety first five point seventy one
puck stud rating and he's the Boston system. Not great,
but he is looking like a bright spot there and
someone who can absolutely be an interesting, relevant part to
your prospect pool moving forward. So definitely someone worth acquiring.
Acquiring the fact that you got him and Mitchikoff gives
you a couple of really nice speculative you know, ads
to be able to see where you can go from here.
So all in all, I think it's pretty even. I think,
you know, the Schmaltz factor for this year certainly leans Donna,
but I do agree with what she said. She might
Rebett as early as next year, and I think that
that's probably true. Depends on what Meechkov does. That's really
what all this comes down to. If heatures into a star,
then this will look terrible two or three years down
the road. But at least she'll stay in the division,
which is always the goal. And lower Stanley.
Speaker 3: Man Sell high by low right, Matt Bay Mitchkoff, if
this is his low, it's it's crazy. I feel like
Matt Vey Mitchkoff if I if I do have him
in a team, this is the kind of guy somebody's
gonna come sniff around and I'm gonna swat them aways.
Forget it, man, you're not buying low on Matt Vay Mitchkoff.
But sometimes when you get extremely advanced players like Donna,
that's exactly what she's willing to do. She's willing to
live her life saying, hey, everybody starts off being Matt
Vay Mitchkoff and turns out to be Nick Schmaltz, you
know what, And that might be locking in the higher
production now may benefit her in the end. I don't.
Michael d. Pietro is just not going to happen for me.
Bowen Byram. I mean, the only thing I could say
about bowen Byram is that the Sabers are getting very
expensive and he's down to one more year on a
pre RFA contract, and I don't think that he'll get
paid by Buffalo now. Is he going to get a
big RFA offer from somebody else? Maybe not, But you
know they're all over there wringing their hands over whether
they have to trade Alex Tuck, well maybe bowen Byrums.
So you want to trade to clear up a six
thousand dollars in salary room to make the other things
happen that you want to happen. So maybe there's an
opportunity for him to go somewhere else where he would
be able to thrive. But nonetheless, yeah, I like the
Mitch Coff side. I guess this time. I always try
to understand the theory behind the other side, and I
think Nick Schmaltz coming up close to a point per
game this year normally is pretty much locked in as
a sixty point guy. That's not nothing, I get it.
But yeah, Mitchkoff could explode, and in that case, it's
going to be a pretty clear win for you.
Speaker 4: Ryan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just on Mitchkov really quick. His season
last year, you know, he played almost the entire regular season,
only missed a couple games, and had sixty points sixty
three points, to be clear. And you know, if he
can even get back to that next season, we're we're
pretty happy with this deal. I think I'm not expecting
Mitchkov to be like Kucherov levels of production. I think
he's come into the league with enough challenges that that
would be an unrealistic expectation at this time. I do
think that, and you know, credit certainly to Steve Peters.
Those scouting videos are worth a watch. Any of his
content is worth the watch for people who listen to
this podcast. It's interesting stuff. But I do think that
Mitchkov is a little bit more in the media these
days when you juxtapose him with guys like Connor Bedard,
Adam Fantilly, Leo Carlson, Will Smith, even Ryan Leonard, you
know Dalliboard Divorski, who is crushing it in the Olympics
right now. These guys are all becoming key members of
their NHL clubs, and Mitchkov is kind of not there yet.
This season with Rick Tackett and so I think that's
why you're seeing so much in the media about him
these days. And so give him another offseason. Maybe he's
learned his lesson about coming in out of shape and
maybe he, you know, either gets another Russian player to
help translate on Philadelphia and learns a bit of English
and he starts to kind of get going here. And yeah,
you mentioned about Biram, there is certainly potential that he
could get moved elsewhere. You know, I would not be
surprised if a team like the Toronto Maple Leafs, for instance,
look to take Biram off of Buffalo's hands, and as
they need someone who can run that power play and
kind of fill in that Morgan Riley role, especially if
he takes off this summer. So this could look pretty
silly in the short term, but if Mitchkov hits then
we do not care. After years of competing at the
tie up top of the Tidy Lord Stanley Division, we
are bereft of prospects with Mitchkov's upside, and to acquire
one here for one of the lower end one seas
and lower end power play defenseman in the league was.
Speaker 3: A no brainer for us.
Speaker 1: That's enough talking about me. It's time to look at
what Jesse was up to as the Milwalk Blizzards. So
here's your shine spot, Jesse. You took to retooling your
team this year. What prompted that decision for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're not gonna make it. Boys. The team
that I had out there is simply not going to
be enough to win during the probably productive era of
some of my top players. Now, I do have Nathan McKinnon,
who is not going anywhere I did at one point.
I think Kennon's on that team. At one point I
kind of said, hey, this guy could move, but instead
I wanted to trade some of my older players for
some future assets. And yeah, I traded col Prago, John Tavares,
Darts Kemper, and then Learna Bresois threw him in there
to try to get better for the future. So Cole
Hudson leading the way, Justin Carboneau, and then two goalies
back a Kira Schmid Daniel Terasov, both younger Schmid in
the Olympics with Switzerland now, and yeah, that was basically
the deal. Kemper is great, but these guys are mid thirties,
you know, and Pareko is I think starting to be
on the downswing as well for the Blues. So to me,
it was a no brainer for a team that is
good enough that we're not going to get relegated pretty safely,
but not good enough that these older players are going
to be on the next winning Blizzard's team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely loosened some of the chaff here too
by getting rid of Laurent Bressois, who looks like he's
not going to play again this season. Colton Perreco a
three point two to three fantasy points per game player,
not all that valuable in the tiered dynasty league. You
mentioned Camper's strong performance this year at six point five
fantasy points per game, but both the goalies you acquire
here Daniel Tarasovnikirishmeda are hovering around that six point five
level as well, and you do give up a Tavars
on the downswing, still a productive player, but like you mentioned,
you got to get rid of some of your older
guys and get better here. Your compatriot Empire also known
as Dave, had this to say. Jesse posted that he
had some will now players available and in this league
you have to go for it when you had the
chance I knew Jesse would love Cole Hudson being on
his favorite team, and packaging him with Carboneau would be
tough for other teams to beat. I was on break
and just threw a bunch of players at Jesse, hoping
he would have the time to figure out something that
made sense. And he did, and after a few tweaks,
we had our trade. Definitely sad to trade Cole, but
you have to give something to get something. So Jesse,
you two are now a Cole Hudson owner, and you
acquired a Victor Nunio favorite in Justin Carboneaux throwing a
couple goalies, and this is definitely a deal done with
a purpose. How do you feel about this one in
particular grabbing Cole Hudson and Justin Carboneau.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I feel thrilled by it. You know, these
guys could come up and be extremely big parts of
my future team. So I'm thrilled to have both of
them come into my team. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cole Hudson especially, I mean, like we were talking
about earlier, I think there's a potential he could be
on the Washington Capitols next season. Maybe he doesn't have
quite the Laane Hudson breakout, but his defensive prowess is
going to keep him in the lineup certainly through next
season and we could be looking at a potential Calder
candidate here. Victor, what do you make of this trade?
Speaker 4: Well, as we sort of talked about late earlier, when
you get a Hudson, either Hudson, you're pretty happy. Except
maybe Quinn Hudson that might not be as exciting, but
we're not going to talk about Quinn.
Speaker 2: But Cohl or.
Speaker 4: Lane, I think you're you're pretty happy with what's going
on here. And you know, I think that if you
just stopped at that, I think you could say this
was a raging success. But you know the guys you
gave up, you know, Tavares, how much longer is he?
Speaker 2: You know, going to be relevant?
Speaker 4: Probably for a couple of years, but you know he's
certainly on the downswing. And Kemper you know, goalies can
last quite a bit longer, and I think that he's
relevant per Eco is to me, he's kind of on
that cut line, you know, holds a little bit more
value because of his periffs, but he's you know, he's
kind of near replacement level.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't I wouldn't worry.
Speaker 4: So much about him, And I think the guys that
you got are are incredible, you know. I mean, I'm
a big fan of car We talked about him on
the last episode and tires off. I think he's a stud,
and I think that he's going to be a stud
on this very good Florida Panthers team. And this is
this always reminds me too when people talk about when
he was in Columbus and people at the time and
Leakans were good, and people were saying he's never going
to get games because of the guy in front of him,
And I always remind people that it can change so quickly.
Both Murdlicans is bad and he's no longer on that
team anymore. So the situation completely changed, and now he's
on a really good team and looking like he's going
to transition with Bob. You know, he's already getting a
good number of starts this year. I think that's a
fantastic acquisition. So, you know, and Schmied is another goalie,
you know, So the fact that you got for future assets.
I don't know how much schmid is is going to
be relevant, but you know, he's he's definitely on that
fringe of being in NHLer and could certainly get games
at any time, which you know, in your position, is
a fine guy to roster. If you're competitive team, that's
frustrating and you may not want that. So the timing
just works out perfectly for your team too. So I
think I think this is a win win. You know,
Dave gets what he gets some very relevant players right now,
and I'm sure that's going to help and good luck
hopefully get promoted. And for Jesse, this is exactly what
you want to do, get some great assets. It's great
about these guys too. Is the timing is mixed, right,
You got guys that are playing now, You got guys
that should be relevant as early as next season, and
then Carboneau maybe you know, two or three seasons from now,
so you're extending that window, which I think is really
helpful as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Victor, just I want to throw one note out there.
This is maybe me stepping out on a limb a bit,
but I'll be interested to get your thoughts here. I
personally think that you know, we've seen a lot of
a kind of an outflux of talent from the CHL,
specifically from the WHL and the OHL into the NC DOUBLEA.
But I think the Q has actually gotten better this
season from the influx of Massachusetts players who no longer
need to play in the USHL. I think the CUE
is actually going to be a lot stronger going forward,
or at least this season it has been. And if
I look at Justin Carboneau this season, in his year
for the Blackfield Boibrion Armada, sixty five points in forty
seven games, he's looking on pace, you know, to kind
of match or exceed what he did last season, which
was an eighty nine point performance. He's almost at that
level for goals alone. He had forty six goals last year,
forty two this year. I think, you know, if we're
seeing the quality of competition go up in the queue
and we're seeing Justin Carboneau maintain or even improve in
that time, I think that's a very exciting thing to
look at there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this the landscape has completely shifted, as
you mentioned, and I do think that we are seeing
a flux in both directions.
Speaker 2: As you pointed out.
Speaker 4: It's interesting when this first started happening, people talked about
initially some Pollyanna takes of like this is the collapse
of the CHL, it'll never be good. And you know,
as you pointed out, I don't think that's really happening.
You're getting some maybe of the top guys coming down
to the States earlier, but you're getting some American players
going the other way, you know. And I think that
you're getting some opportunity in each direction. And I think
it's going to equilibrate to be somewhat similar to what
it is now. I think maybe the NCDA the n
CUAA will be a little bit better from some of
those top end players. But the NCAA teams that win
have always been the older, more experienced player. It hasn't
really been those with elite young talent. I mean, I
just think back to that Michigan team several years ago
that had like ten or plus first round picks and
they couldn't win.
Speaker 2: They couldn't win against the bigger, stronger, older players.
Speaker 4: And I do think it has created the CHL, and
especially the Q as you mentioned, has has now more
opportunities for some of those guys that wasn't there before.
So I think I do think it's interesting and I
have I do think the reputation of the Q has
shifted a little bit as well, So I think that
that's kind of interesting to follow. And I'm most grateful
that you prone the city of where the Armado play
is because I don't think I could have.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why you have the resident Canadian. That's soon
to be two Canadians on this podcast to speaking of Jesse,
who's grin gets wider and wider as we talk about
how great Justin Carboneau is going to be and that
Grinn is going to continue to expand here as we
talk about this next trade, which is a one for one,
Jesse acquires James Hagens from Sasha Leguard for Dougie Hamilton.
I mean, just take us through this a little bit, Jesse,
because that's that's an exciting player to pick up James Hagen's.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've said it before on here. The hardest
thing is to find a team that is in contention,
who has an exciting prospect. And you know, Sasha Leaguard
and I went back and forth, I don't know how
many times to make a trade, but I was targeting everybody,
like everybody from like second to fourth place type teams.
I was fired out offers to and there were many
more players in it for a while. Then we got
it down. I said, why don't we just do Higgins
for Hamilton? And I said, I'm just going to leave
it here for you if you want to take it
before the trade deadline, and ultimately he did. I mean,
we all know how awesome Dougie Hamilton can be when
he is all over it. And yeah, you'll see with
Sasha's comments some of the things that he had to
say about Hamilton, which were quite accurate, this isn't exactly
a by low on Hamilton right now. But again, considering
that Hamilton, while he's not old, he's still in his
I believe he's still in his early thirties. He defenseman
he could last a while. I was ready to take
the chance on a top flight prospect who hopefully will
fit with the rest of this window I'm trying to build.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you teed me up for it. Here. Sasha
says that Hamilton is a top eight defenseman in TIDY
since January first, and as you mentioned, no one was
selling in the division, and so he took the deal
he could without totally ruining his farm system. He says
that Hagens is a great prospect, but as Jesse pointed
out in our discussions, I might not get to see
him play on my team as I hope for an
eventual promotion. His dispersal draft allowed him to pick up
a lot of young players like James Hagins, and so
with d men being very valuable in the tidy Hamilton
being the power play one guy in New Jersey until
season's end, he is happy to make that swap. So, Victor,
what do you make of this? You know, James Hagens,
I'm sure we don't need to wind you up too
much to get you excited to talk about him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Haigens is obviously this is this is
a great piece of work here for Jesse. I think
long term having Haigens is going to be great, and
hopefully it works out for Sasha. I mean, quickly, on Hamilton,
he's been just a strong, you know, all around producer,
even well above replacement. He's not a star defenseman on
your team, but he's someone who provides consistent.
Speaker 2: Value and you're really happy with that. So hopefully that
helps Sasha.
Speaker 4: But the promotion, and you know, in terms of hag
and I think he's been a little maligned. I mean,
people remember last year he centered that top line in
the Americans won goal between two superstar wingers, and this
year they were a little disappointed with how he produced.
But the reality is that American team this year just
wasn't gonna wasn't going to be it, even as well
as he played, and on a bit of a down
season for Boston College, He's you know, thirty four points
in twenty six games.
Speaker 2: He's great. Is he like superstar talent? I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think he can still be a first line center
for the Boston Ruins, which is what they drafted him
to be. I have him ranked currently eighth in my
prospect ranks and my updated prospect ranks, with a bunch
of guys who have graduated, so he's definitely up there.
He kind of slid down a bit with guys like
Hage and Seneke and churnershov protash Martone passing him, and
so I think that speaks more of the other players
than it does necessarily of him.
Speaker 2: But I do think that Hagens is going to be
one of.
Speaker 4: Those guys, probably a little bit better in real life
than he is in fantasy. But he'll still be good
at fantasy. He almost reminds me a little bit of
Nico Heeshire. You know, I think Higgins is more dynamic offensively,
but I think what you think about he's here in
terms of like he's he's just a solid guy. Like
he's not someone who is going to be your superstar
on your fantasy team. He's someone who you probably start
all the time or most of the time though, and
provides good value and especially in the tidy where it
rewards good you know, play driving. I think that that's useful.
And if you're in a league that you know counts
face off wins, obviously that will be useful as well,
because I think he does stick at center, and I
think he I don't know who else Boston is going
to have as a as a as a one C
unless they draft someone else or trade for someone else,
it's going to be him for years to come. So
that's that's nice to think about too, because they should
still have some really good wingers for years to come
after this.
Speaker 2: So I love the trade.
Speaker 4: Jesse talk to me about this one and I was like, yeah, obviously,
if you can get Higgins for Hamilton and that you
know he wasn't He wasn't unsre sure about that, but
I just asked what I thought.
Speaker 2: Obviously, that's a win for him.
Speaker 1: I've been watching a lot of Hagens this year myself.
I like to keep an eye on the D plus
one kind of guys here, and what I've noticed a
lot with Hagens this year is he's doing the little
things well. There seems to be a real focus for
him on trying to, you know, win those board battles,
win those kind of fifty puck battles in open ice,
doing these kind of quick moves, puck protection, that kind
of stuff has been a big focus of Hagens's game,
and he's still been able to maintain the point scoring.
And so I really like your Nico Heischer comparison. Not
to put too much pressure on the young Bruin here,
but could we even be looking at potentially a patrese
Berger on light. I know that that's kind of a
lofty expectation there for this kind of player, but Boston
hasn't had a young prospect like this in a long time.
So dare to dream, and Jesse, you can dream along
with those Bruins fans. We have certainly not saved the
best for last year. This is just a very simple
pro for pro deal with Tidy Commish team leader Tim Ay.
You got rid of Radco Goudas, the menace on the
Chechia blue line in the Olympics this year, especially against
Team Canada in that quarterfinal game. You got rid of him.
You acquire Sam Girard. I'm just gonna lay it out here.
Goudas was a four point two Fantasy points per game
guys Gerard was a two point seven. Tim had this
to say that you offered it and he accepted. The
difference was really goodas at four point two versus Gerard
at two point seven and being in win. Now he
took the one point five for the rate. Now Jesse
gets a guy eight years younger that has performed at
or higher than that level in the past, and although
his time on ice is down three minutes a game
and he is surrounded by more depth in Colorado that
there could be an uptick here. He almost sold a
bit instead of buying in his particular season with the Tidy,
but figured this was a low cost move that may
not move the needle too much. It's like showing up
to a knife fight with a butter knife. You never
know what an extra eight to twelve points will be
for the difference in a matchup. So Jesse, you offered it.
Are you seeing some something in Gerard that the rest
of us maybe aren't? Take us through this one a
little bit?
Speaker 3: I saw eight years That's that's what I saw that
And yeah, that's exactly why I made the trade. I mean,
Gudas is high out. You know, Gudash may you know,
he may lose some value because I don't think he'll
be able to get into Canada to play any additional
games after he injured Sydney Crosby in the Olympics. So
right there, that's like one eighth of his games or
you know, one maybe one six of his games he
won't be able to play now. But no, I mean,
I and I love Gudash. I've got him in a
bunch of leagues. I love that he's always got that
bash floor. But I'm just I'm betting that Saint Gerard
is going to turn it around and get more points
than he did this year. And again, I'm just getting younger,
I got it. I'm moving off those those mid thirties
guys and thinking that I'm trying to build something yet
to come, and even if Gerard doesn't bounce back, well,
Gudash is only going to lose value on my team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, completely makes sense, Victor, Do you have anything else
add to this pro for pro deal?
Speaker 4: Just that I don't think there's much value in Sam Girard.
I understand getting younger, but you know, you take a
swing goodness isn't really going to help Jesse, so sure,
but I probably would have just held him sometimes.
Speaker 2: I think the advice is just hold.
Speaker 4: The old guy, you know, unless you get something more interesting,
which is hard to do because you're like, why not
get younger? Well, because I don't know that Gerard is
going to be much more than replacement level or below
replacement levels. So I mean, I don't fault Jesse for
doing this because maybe he'll get more value. And when
Colorado has been really good, that Fenwick will help drive
up the value of players like Gerard, so you can
have that. But I think there's a lesson sometimes in
just holding and holding, holding, holding until you get something
that's more interesting, which which might have happened here or
it might not have you know.
Speaker 1: Who knows, Yeah, who knows indeed, you know Sam Girard,
he does seem like the odd man out on that
Colorado Blue line, and his contract is coming up, if
I recall correctly, maybe he ends up somewhere else and
gets a bigger role. It's a little crowded in Colorado,
so I could definitely see bidding on that potential opportunity.
But as we've been talking about, not a huge, huge
deal here and just for posterity here, most of the
Tidy fandom believes that this is a fair trade sixty
two point five percent. I think that eight years is
enough to offset any potential you know, gouddis, you know,
strong play for the next couple of seasons. I also
kind of think that Gouddas at thirty five, he's on
his way down, like Jesse said, and I don't think
he's going to be able to keep up with, you know,
the influx of great young defensive talent on the Anaheim Ducks,
and so I think it's fair to want to move
off of Goudas. When we get back from our break here,
Victor is going to be the one in the hot seat.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Tidy Tamson, Victor. It's your turn now
to answer for some of the decisions that you made here.
You finished the season in the Lord Stanley Division in
tenth place, just like Jesse who finished tenth in the
Tidy Lemiue Division. Victor, I imagine your reasoning is pretty similar
to Jesse's as to why now for a retool?
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: And for those of you who may not be familiar
with the format, I just wanted to go over it
real quick. Because the top six teams make the playoffs
and can win the championship. The bottom four teams play
in a relegation round robin and three of them get relegated.
So the Lord Stanley Division is the only one where
it's a bit different, and the relegation is a more
serious risk for more teams because three going down is
certainly much more than one out of fourteen, and so
or sixteen being in that In that seven to ten
or even eleven range, I worked really hard to get
myself to the point where I knew I was safe,
and once I knew I was safe, I realized it's
time to blow it up. Because I worked hard to
get promoted into this division that takes some effort, and
then to just not get relegated the first season is
a herculean effort, in my opinion, because you're generally picking
from the scraps of the teams that got relegated, and
so that can be a huge challenge. Both Don and
I were able to avoid that in the first year
and then kind of push ourselves to the middle in
the second year, which has been great. And then you
look around and you realize you have very little chance
of competing with some of the teams that are at
the top, so you really need to kind of push
it down the line a couple of years. And that
was basically my reasoning, like I need to get younger
and get some more star potential, some decent players to
give to the win now teams, So it made sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I originally included the fact that you were both
in tenth place, just as a little dig from the
second place finishing team, the BFFs in the Lord Stanley
Division here. But you're right, Victor, that if you in
tenth place and Jesse in tenth place is a very
different kind of set of circumstances. So if Jesse is
thinking he needs to rebuild, then you kind of really
need to rebuild. And in true fantasy hockey life fashion,
you acquired a boatload of great young players and some
who can actually help you as you compete for a
higher draft pick. That seventh overall is available to you
in this format as well, So you acquire a star
goaltender prospect for the Minnesota Wild justper Wallstadt, defenseman Denton Mattaichuk,
and Axel sandin Pelica, two great young pieces who are
already contributing for their NHL teams. From Simon Weekend at Corsi,
who's been busy as well, he acquires from you Andrey Vassilevski,
brock Faber and Mattias Ekholmb just to keep everyone up
to speed, still has twenty two games of minors eligibility,
and with nine point three Fantasy points per game, those
will be twenty two very valuable games for one Victor
Nuno Mattichek coming in at three point seven, Axel Sandin
Pellica at two point five in his first full season. Here,
you're giving up Vassilevski, who is one of the top
goaltenders in our format at eight Fantasy points per game,
as well as a duo of kind of you know,
top four Ish defenseman and Faber and Eckholm at five
point five and four point six fantasy points per game each.
Simon says, this is the kind of move that you
make entidy to survive. Of course, I don't want to
move those three, three blue chip pieces, but Victor and
I usually find each other in these positions often enough,
so we have rapport. I had sent him some offers
and then canceled because I didn't want to move Walstead
unless I got something elite back. Long term, I don't
think I win here, but kudos to Victor for taking
advantage of my position, putting forward a solid offer of
three assets producing at a high level rate. Now for
my three young Studs, Wall and Betaychuck. We're producing pretty
decently this season. Asp not really yet, but now I
have three workhorses that can work in and out for
my team. I also didn't have a bonafide starter until
this trade. Without Vassilevski, this deal does not get done.
Victor had offered eck Holm for Hudson prior to me
dealing him to the BFF, so I was happy to
get him here. Simon is happy with his return. Vassilevski
for Walstead is a pretty clear now for later trade
and you're probably already winning that one, Victor. If you
ask me, how did you come around to the value
on the defenders in this deal?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I love working with Simone because he doesn't mess around,
and I also just wanted to mention that the what's interesting,
what I love about this league is that it's not
just the top teams that are pushing their chips in
to try to win. Now, it's the teams that are
avoiding relegation, which is what Simone is doing here. We can,
of course see he is at in fourteenth place and
he's going to be in that round robin and absolutely
needs to be one of the top teams to avoid
that relegation, and so I think that's what makes it
extra interesting. You get buyers at the top and the
bottom of the league and the sellers in the middle,
and so that adds some extra context here.
Speaker 2: So, you know, Faber has been a really interesting.
Speaker 4: Guy and watching his trajectory, having him that first season
when he was great, and then the next season when
he kind of, you know, regress quite a bit, and
then this season seems to be coming back around with
some increased value. That volatility is just something that I
wanted to kind of move away from because I wasn't
sure it was going to continue to be Who's going
to continue to be such a strong asset, So I
figured why not take the chance on Mitaichuck. I've always
liked Mitaichuck, and I know that Zach Wrensky's ahead of him,
but it seems like he can have some pretty good
value there in Columbus. Obviously, asp is another really interesting
guy who I think can have some significant upside.
Speaker 2: And you know, favor echo Holm well Ekom is older.
Speaker 4: Favor I already mentioned, so the fact that he was older,
that made sense to flip him for someone much much younger.
I still worry that ASP isn't going to necessarily really
have the bash or time on ice to be an
elite asset, but I think that he can at least
be where eck Holm is. So far this season, ASP
two point four nine Fantasy points per game, which is
below replacement, but obviously he's a young player breaking into
the league, and that Home at four point six to
two with Favorite five point five three. So I think
the guys that I'm getting can at least get to
the level of Favorite ack Home. It might take a
couple more years, but I'm okay with that. Hopefully they're
helpful enough next season that I can continue to that
I can avoid relegation and move up a little bit.
That's the goal, and then obviously you got a trade
value to get value. I knew that if I wanted Wallstead,
I was going to have to offer up one of
my best players, and I came into this division. I
picked big time goalies early with my picks, and I
had Bob and Vassilevski. They were a big part of
allowing me to avoid relegation that first season. But I
felt like it was time to move off of Vassilevski.
To Wallstaed and I obviously I've been talking about wallstt
for years.
Speaker 2: I'm always the world of him.
Speaker 4: He's been great this season twenty three games to gust
of Sin's thirty six, and he has a little less
than half the goal save above expected. But the fact
that they're even in the same conversation and actually the
Delta Fenwick for Walsteat is even better, suggesting that he's
doing better at this individual save percentage than with the
protection that's been given to him. And save percentage generally
thought of as more of an individual stat, with the
goal save above average and expected having more related to
the team. So I do think that walstead is a
stud moving forward. The only question is how many games
are you going to play compared to Gustafson who has
another year after this one, or sorry, has four more
years after this one.
Speaker 2: So I think he you know, they might be in
a tandem.
Speaker 4: For years, or they have been talking about moving Wallsteed,
so that would be very interesting if he went somewhere
to be the guy. So I just well, yeah, I
wanted to get younger, d maybe a little bit more consistent,
and really I wanted Walstet that was the key that
I wanted in this deal, and I knew that I'd
have to give up something good, So trading Vasilaski's gonna hurt.
But I think that Wallstead, if he can get more volume,
will be just as good for years to come.
Speaker 3: I'm just impressed, as heck you got Walstead away from Simone.
I've tried it and it hasn't worked. In fact, he
said that he drew the line at being asked for Walstet,
But I guess Vassilevski in a league where he is
in danger of being relegated as a whole different thing.
I'm not surprised to see you trading favor Victor. I
know that you've been skeptical on him. In fact, I
was surprised to see him on your roster, but I
guess that probably was more of a factor from having
to draft a relegation draft or a promotion draft, then
that this is a guy who you would pay more
for than anybody else in the league. But yeah, I
like the return. I like the young defenseman that you're getting,
even though the older ones in Favor is hardly an
older one are currently more productive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's three for three from my perspective
here too. You know, I've been trying to get these
young defensemen in tidy for years now. They're really hard
to get. They are so valuable, especially guys who kind
of play an all around role like a Denton Mattachuk.
And I think, you know, we're starting to see what
he can look like this season. We've seen in some
of the games where zach Arnsky was out this year,
him almost playing a half hour twenty eight, twenty seven,
twenty nine minutes a night. That's excellent, especially for a
guy who hits, who blocks, who shoots. He kind of
does everything a little bit. And so I think we're
looking at a stalwart on the Columbus Blue Jackets back
end for a long time here. I understand the concern
with asp Victor, but he does offer something that Moritt
Sider and Simon Evanson do not, and that is his
great you know, offensive zone awareness and transition play, you know,
on the other side of the blue line there, I
can see you being very happy with him as a
potential power play quarterback. Mittaitchek, I could see him, you know,
being quite you know, pretty close to Faber in a
secondary role for the Blue Jackets. And this these realities
could be realized very soon, so this one makes a
ton of sense to me. The Veterans selloff for the
Surrender team continues in this next trade with the manager
Mason Black, who we dubbed in this very episode last season.
The trade King Mason acquires from Victor Jake Debrusk, Patrick Kin,
Connor Ingram and Brandon Bussy and in return you get
Max Plant, Jack Bergland, Scott Morrow and Sergei Murushov. Just
to kind of keep everyone up to date here, Debrusk
and Kin are both kind of clearing that four point
two ish fantasy points per game realm. The two goalies
Ingram and Bussy that Mason gets are six point three
and seven point seventy five fantasy points per game respectively,
with twenty three minors eligible games left for Bussy, Murshav
and Morrow have played in the NHL this season. Morrow
has not made that much of an impact, but still
has fifty six minors eligible games left, and Murushov He's
got a long runway left as a minors eligible goalie.
He's been pretty strong in his limited action thus far.
Plant and Bergland haven't made their debuts yet, and I
know you're very interested to talk about them. Victor first
from Mason that he thinks the window to win and
the Lord Stanley division is going to be very small.
There are some really strong up and coming young rosters
that are close to making big jumps in the standings,
and as a contender, when you have an opportunity to
make your roster better, you have to go for it
at the expense of valuable miners, players and prospects. I
assume here he's talking about Mushov, Plant Bergland and Morrow.
These guys would help him in the future, but he
wants to win again now and banners fly forever. He
finds that goalies are nearly impossible to acquire, and so
Bussy was the main guy he was inquiring about. Originally,
He's had the Hurricanes tandem of Anderson and Kuchetkov, so
it was a blow to lose Kachetkov for the year,
especially when Bussy started taking the majority of the starts.
Being able to stream Bussy for the Miners added extra
value that should help to gain a few extra games
and max out his total games played. Pro move here
from the former champion, All three players improve my roster.
When Ingram is healthy, he can have runs as a
one a starting goalie and on a very competitive team
like Evonton, there is a high ceiling. Cain and Debrusque
average over four Fantasy points per game, which is the
threshold I used to try and build out my roster. Personally,
I find that the best way to improve your fantasy
team and Tidy is by acquiring players near the bottom
of your roster and not trying to swing for home
runs by trading for the superstars, because they are usually
far too difficult to acquire. Cain and Debresque allowed him
to jettison a couple of three point five fantasy point
per game players, which could amount to somewhere on the
range of fifteen to twenty points over a two week playoff,
which is a significant improvement in what will likely be
a very tight matchup. The Tidy managers voted him King
of this deal Victor at seventy one percent, preferring Mason's return.
Tell us why they might be.
Speaker 2: Wrong, Well, I think it could be considered a win win.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're wrong, but as Jesse has
often said, you can only do the trades that are
available to you. And when I was looking at the
obviously targeting the top teams and the bottom teams and
see who's interested. A lot of teams didn't have the
appetite for some of the trades, and I think what
Mason said there is very important. A lot of teams
just want the one star and they want to, you know,
get the best player in the deal. And I think
it's very wise what he said about filling out the
making the bottom of your roster closer to the middle
of your roster is really how you win championships as
long as you have some of those top end players.
And so knowing that, I thought that we could find
some compromise. I actually tried to trade with some of
the other competitors, including you guys, including some of the
other players that are in the fourth, fifth, and sixth place,
and I didn't get as much interest. Even Jack Z
who won the first year and is in fifth place now,
couldn't find a common ground there. So Mason, you know,
seeing that we could find some more common ground, and
obviously his roster is one that is ready to win now,
I felt like we could find some more common ground.
So I never really been a believer in Jake Debrusk
and so getting him off my team and the fact
that he was a little bit above replacement and kind
of helped the depth for Mason was good for both
of us. I think I picked up Ingram, you know,
expecutively when no one wanted him, thinking that he could
be irrelevant NHL goalie again, and I was right about
that one, which was nice.
Speaker 2: And Bussy was someone who I had.
Speaker 4: Acquired or I had drafted, you know, just as someone
who I thought might people to get games. I don't
think anyone saw what he's been doing this year coming.
And I do think he has some staying power just
looking at his numbers, I do think that, you know,
Bussy has sixteen point twenty six Goalsa above expected, and
Delta Fenwick just at an absurd two point one seven.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's just the system, you know.
Speaker 4: I think obviously Carolina helps, but you have to be
a certain type of goalie to succeed in that system,
and he does, and so I think he has some
staying power there.
Speaker 2: He just signed an extension. Anyways, I think.
Speaker 4: That that's a really good haul for Mason, and after
a brief discussion, this is basically what the trade was.
Speaker 2: There wasn't a whole lot of negotiating or hangling back
and forth.
Speaker 4: I knew that I'd have to send value to get
guys that I wanted, and Mason had some decent guys
despite being a really top ten team. I think the
Bergland acquisition was certainly influenced by watching the World Juniors
and seeing what an absolute beast that guy is. And
I have him ranked pretty lowly in my ranks. I
have him two hundred and thirty second for forward. So
I'm not saying that I believe in him wholly, but
I do think he's the type of player who will
force himself onto an NHL roster and be relevant, probably
more in a middle six role, but he can still
have value, especially with his bash. So if people aren't
familiar with Jack Bergland, you might want to be because
he's also a perfect Philadelphia Flyers player if he didn't
know that's where he was. I think he's going to
fit into that team identity perfectly. Max Plant, you know,
having a bit of a down season at the World
Juniors or tournament at the World Juniors is having an
outstanding CBA career. I think he can slid into that
middle six in Detroit. I think there's still plus minus
on that one. And Scott Morrow didn't quite to the
NHL this season as well as I thought, but I
still think he can be a big part of that
retool that's going to happen in New York or is
happening as we speak. So I really like him, But
the big piece for me is Serget Mershop. I think
Mershop is going to be an absolute stud, number one
starter in the NHL soon and he's gonna He's the
biggest piece for me. So I felt giving Boosy and
getting Mershoff, you know, it might end up being kind
of a wash I do think Mrshoff has more upside,
but Boosy is obviously relevant now, and so it made
sense for Mason to flip those two and then the
rest probably kind of wash out, sort of similar with
some upside potentially there with Moro and Plant. So I
think if you're looking at this just now, it's obviously
Mason who does a lot, and I think the miners
eligible for Boosy is just insane, like that's going to
help him.
Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if he didn't win at this point.
Speaker 4: He's the best team right now and I think this
trade made him a lot better, So I think it
made a lot of sense for him. But I'm happy
with who I thought. You know, there are a lot
of teams that didn't want to brust Kane or or
even Ingram for that matter, So I think Mason was
smart to realize that it improved his depth and it
gave me some decent pieces.
Speaker 2: So I think it's definitely more of a win win.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say. I'm not going to sit here
and say that I won this trade because I think
it's a win win personally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you know, Patrick Kane, Connor Ingram, Jake Debrusk.
I feel like their value is probably going to go
down as time goes on. There's no there's no guarantee
that you're going to be able to get anybody to
pay up for them at the next trade deadline or
in the off season or anything like that. So I
can I can get it. Yeah, It's it's pretty rough
in terms of what is the perceived value, especially with
Boosey turning into what Boosey has turned into. But yeah,
I mean, I'm not going against Victor when it comes
to pickings and prospects. Who are impressing him on the
way up. So yeah, I understand why Mason won this poll.
Pretty handling. Never count out what Victor wants to do
with these guys.
Speaker 1: No, I think let's just zoom out for a second,
and let's remember that your goaltending tandem going into next
season is going to include Sergei Mushov and Yesper Wallstad.
So you've gotten two of what the top three you know,
prospect ish goaltenders. I guess maybe you could throw in
Sebastian Kosa in there in that top three, but two
of the three who are gonna definitely play games and
be starters for their various teams going forward. And so
if we zoom out, that already is a huge win.
And you you know you mentioned Jack Bergland. I think
you mentioned he is a Philadelphia Flyer. I couldn't agree more.
That guy is like the first Flyers draft pick in
a long time that I've seen, and I've been like
that guy could maybe be the next captain of the
Philadelphia Flyers. He's not going to impress you too much offensively,
but his two way prowess is not to be ignored.
I believe he was the team Sweden captain as well
in the juniors. Wreck me if I'm wrong, but that guy,
he is going to be an NHLer for a long time.
He may not, as you mentioned, be this top flight
offensive guy, but Jack Berglan's is a guy.
Speaker 2: Not to ignore.
Speaker 1: That's a little crowded in Detroit for Max Plant, but
it looks like he might, you know, be able to
be a hair ahead of guys like Nate Danielson, Marco Kasper,
Carter Maser, Bransi Newguard, those guys who are all kind
of that middle sixty archetype. I would definitely take Max
Plant over those guys. And yeah, Scott Morrow, who knows.
I mean, the Rangers are a tire fire. They're gonna
have to eventually give it over to the young guys,
and you might see some good work from him to
close out the season here. He'll still enter next season
with miners eligible games, and so you gotta be happy
about that. Ultimately, I think this one looks like a
deal Victor where you don't give up a lot of
draft value. You mentioned you picked up some of these
guys like Connor Ingram Bussy was kind of like a
you know, a kind of a throw in in your
draft debrask and Kane. You don't give up very much
here to get a lot of really good quality in
your minors pool, and that trend can Victor. In this
next deal, you acquire some other Victor Newnial favorites in
exchange for not very much. You give up to the
Stanpeding Stallions, Josh Done just as sort off, Ian Moore,
and Scott Wedgwood, and you get back James Hagen's an
Igor Chernershov. Chernershov still with eighty five minors eligible games
to go and already scoring at a clip that makes
him above fantasy above average for fantasy relevance in our league.
You give up sword Iff and More, who both have
minors eligibility left on their games played, and Wedgwood, who
is a great goalie, but certainly not one who we
can imagine continues his seven point eight fantasy points per game.
Outlook here Doan has been a revelation for Buffalo this year,
but you know you have to give to get. As
we've talked about, Patrick of the Stampeding Stallions had Hagen's
on his trade block for a while and only got
a few really bad offers. That Victor was the only
manager to really engage. He got cold feet on a
potential earlier trade with him that could have been as
good as this one in terms of overall value. I
think Victor got more, but I need to try something
to stave off relegation, and I got a good amount
of value back and players that are well above replacement
and contributing. Now, the poll kind of leans towards you,
Victor forty two percent, saying that you won this one,
but Stampeding Stallions had twenty seven and the even option
was at thirty, so pretty even here. Patrick thinks you won.
The tidy managers give you the slight edge here. How
does this one come to be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Patrick's right, and he's a really shrewd, shrewd manager
and trader, so got to give him credit. I think
I came to him earlier with a more basic one
for one two for one Higgins and it wasn't as
good as this, and he kind of held firm there.
He's definitely one of those that needs to work hard
to avoid relegation. I think when we started this discussion
he was at the bottom and now he's fifteenth, so
I mean he's definitely going to be in a dogfight
with those other three to see who can say in
Lord Stanley. But I also give him credit because some
people in that position might just throw their hands up
and say whatever, you know, just give me whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm probably going down anyways, I don't care. He's not
that kind of guy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: He definitely was trying to do the best for him
and not you know, give me something really good for
some scraps. You know, that kind of situation never makes
the league good. So I appreciate his integrity there. And
I'm not saying my first offwer was bad or anything,
but it wasn't as good as this, And so you know,
Doan I think is trending up. Obviously, he's definitely going
to be a strong player for years to come. Sort
of has been a revelation I think for a lot
of people. I always liked him. In fact, I have
an article coming out with him soon talking about his prowess.
I think he probably takes a step back with Pod
back in the lineup now, but he's still a solid contributor.
And Ian Moore is, you know, just a guy, but
he's someone that's going to give him games and probably
a little bit above replacement.
Speaker 2: And we talked about the goalies earlier.
Speaker 4: So I came into this year, well, last year I
traded Bob, I had Bob Vassilevski and then Wedgwood and
Busy and Boussy and Wedgwood just surprised the heck out
of me this year with how well they were doing.
And Wedgwood has taken a step back now with Blackwood
coming to the forefront, but he's still really valuable. He's
given you tons of points when he's playing, and so
I think that's super helpful. And then Doan being more
helpful than a lot of his other wingers, plus you
got the other portions there. I think this is going
to really help the depth for Patrick and that's what
he needs right now. And so for me, yeah, we
talked about Hagen's already. Turnershop is an absolute stud. You know.
I mentioned previously on a show that what the Sharks
have been needing with Celebrini is someone who digs pucks
out of the corner, protects bucks and is just a
big physical presence. And that's exactly what Schernershop is. And
he has looked really good alongside celebrating, and I think
that duo could work for years to come. He got
inexplicably sent back to the minors, but I think that
his time in the NHL will be lasting and he'll
be part of that top six for years to come,
which may be surprising to some considering some of their
high end talent, but I think he's a perfect compliment
to their star center, and so I was very happy
to get these two. Initially, I was just going for
Hagen's and then I said, what can what do I
have to do to include Turner Shop And this is
what we came to. So I knew that it would
have to include Wedgewood, which I knew would help him
a lot, and I wouldn't need him hopefully with the
other trades that I made. So it's one of those
that you just have to figure out what your opponent
needs and try to try to figure out what you can.
Speaker 2: Get out of it.
Speaker 4: So I think I think it's more I generally think
these as a win win. Of course, I'm happy with
the guys I had moving forward, and I hope it
works out for Patrick.
Speaker 3: Well. Team Hagen's here, so I'm glad that Victor Yagan's
brothers now. But all I can say is, how dare
you trade Justin sort of. Who's the leading scorer on
my keeping Carlson Crossover draft team which is currently in
last place, but Justin sort of is still the leading
scorer for that thing, man, So yeah, Scott Wodgwood, the
expery date on him will not be long. Although, Josh Dohman,
you were right about him a couple of years ago,
and I didn't quite buy it as much as I
as I should have. So this is, Yeah, it makes
sense for both teams, and you're building the roster that
you want after getting up there and grabbing what was
available first, now you're building it to what you want. Victor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to make the same point Jesse
that when you have these kind of drafts from teams
that have been relegated, you're kind of just left with
the scraps. You are building a team in your own image. Here.
We're all happy to see that Justin sort of. I
just want to take a second to just you know,
you're right. He has been great this season. Who knows
how long it continues, but obviously Washington saw something in
him given the price that they gave up to Florida
to trade for him before the free agency deadline last season,
and so sort of certainly is contributing a lot for Washington.
Josh Stone looks like he's going to be a Buffalo
Saber for a very long time. But I do think
that you've acquired a superior player in Igor Chernishev, who
will be a San Jose Shark for a long time
and probably do a little bit more than what Josh
Jont can do. So I would be very happy with
the Hagens Chernishop side of this deal. We're going to
talk about the last deal here, and this one's a
bit of a perplexing one to me, Victor, and so
I'm going to get it over to you as soon
as possible here to explain it. This is a deal
that you made with Tidy Commission team member Pizen Kraftzer,
who is a you know, a revered member of our community.
Always has great takes and great insights you were able
to acquire. I guess I should say what you gave
up first? You gave up Sam Malynsky and Denver Barkie.
So another Colorado Avalanche depth d here moving in this
episode for Michael Hage, Justin Carboneau and Rasmus Sandean lots
of great upside here for you, for the NHL players involved.
Malinsky is a four just a straight up four fantasy
points per game defenseman, which has some value in our league.
Sandin who you gave who you acquire here is a
three point three eight. Maybe less valuable, but you do
get the better of craftser I think. In the HAGE
in Carboneau for Barkie side of this deal says that
you made an enticing offer chasing carbon in a few
weeks back that he probably should have taken, so he
knew you had strong interest there. He says that his
d is ugly, and with the solid, advanced stats and
new contract on Malinsky, he was comfortable buying him at
a premium to try to survive. I probably overpaid a
bit adding in HAGE, but I was striking out with
other suitors and needed to send something across that I
felt would be accepted. Barque back was to enhance minors
eligible producers to help max out games played in the playoffs.
Gave up a lot of futures, but the interesting wrinkle
is it's playing not just for survival but also a
shot at first overall, which helps restock the cupboard in
a big way. So Victor, we all agree here, including
crafts A that you got a lot in return. I'm
having a real hard time parsing this deal, if I'm
being honest. Take us through the process here.
Speaker 4: Well, part of the process here is play all the
teams against each other, right, I mean, so I was
reaching out to all the teams, and I think that's
an important lesson, like, you know, pit them against each other.
See what they're willing to give, see what they need,
see the what you can get from them. And there
were some teams that just didn't have that many interesting
pieces that I wasn't as interested in working with.
Speaker 2: But you know, I.
Speaker 4: Basically made trades with three out of the four teams
that are in the relegation round robin, and the other
one just didn't want to engage as much.
Speaker 2: And so that was fine.
Speaker 4: You know that you can't make trades with everyone, and
so yeah, I was looking at what I can get
from each one of them. And I liked, obviously some
of the players that kraftser had, and so I was
very interested in trying to work with him. I did
send him a few offers and didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: So as he I think kind of was taking stock
up where he was at.
Speaker 4: It made a lot of sense to make this trade.
You might say I didn't give up that much. I
think this trade came at the end when I didn't
have as much to give. So, as Craftser said, I think,
you know, he might have done better if he'd made
the trade earlier. Which timing in these trades is always
hard to figure out. You never want to be the
first one to accept the bad trade, but sometimes if
you wait too long, there aren't as many assets to
go around, so that's always a tricky thing. But Malin
is a guy who's well, who's above replacement, and you know,
can certainly get some scoring on that stacked Colorado team.
I think Barkiy has been a little underrated. You know,
he's been pretty decent, you know, not playing that much
for Philly, but he has some relevant times and being
able to flex him in on those on those certain
nights can be really helpful for him. And I'm sure
that that was a big part of the Cactust As
he mentioned the guys I got obviously, I'm very happy
we've talked about carbone Hage is an absolute stud. I mean,
he seems like one of the best young prospects right now.
I have him ranked six in my prospect rankings, and
that's with Demodov and Celebrini who have still not quite
yet graduated. So when those two graduate, he'll be top five.
And so, yeah, Hage is awesome and Sandin is just,
you know, someone who I thought, maybe he can be
a little more as John Carlson sundowns and doesn't get
as much plenty of time, maybe Sandin can be, you know,
maybe just a little bit above replacement. He's not someone
I'm super excited about, but just figure, hey, why not
get another d And that was kind and where to
work out. But yeah, very happy with this trade, happy
to get those guys. I think Crafts was also very
wary of, like I don't want to just send my
top prospects for nothing. I want to make sure I
get some value. I do think he maybe just waited
a little too long to get some of the better
assets that I had previously by the time I got
to this time in the trade deadline.
Speaker 3: Yea, I Denver BARKI getting a return. I love that.
I think I like your side of this one, Victor,
And I think if Kraft was involved in this. That
means that all four co commissions of our Tidy Leagues
were involved in trades discussed on this show.
Speaker 1: Jesse, you would be right. I was about to mention
that as well. These these are the managers who are
some of the most engaged in our Tidy League. We're
grateful to them for their contributions both to this episode
and to the day to day running of the league.
And that's going to do it for us here. That's
going to do it for Tidy Takes this season. With
the trade deadline having COmON gone, we had any new
trades for me to discuss, and so I just wanted
to thank the listenership for I guess this is our
third season of Tidy Takes, if I'm remembering correctly, It's
been such a great ride. I love doing this segment,
and especially the last couple episodes having Jesse around. It's
such a treat to be able to engage with him.
Both of these guys, they do such great work, and
so I'm just very grateful for the opportunity here to
be a part of this podcast on a semi regular basis.
And thanks again to the listenership and to the great
Tidy managers. Who give us a lot to talk about.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and thank you so much, Ryan for making these
episodes so great to listen to all the prep you
do and all the work that you and all the
commissioners do on a tidy. It's a very big league
and it's a lot of work to run, and we
appreciate everyone's effort and all the participants that make it
so fun. If you don't play in the league, I
highly encourage you to try it out. It's one of
the most fun leagues that I play in. And it's
not just because we designed and run it, but I
think the premise of it makes it really interesting.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure we'll have you back. Ryan.
Speaker 4: We love having you on the show, so definitely looking
forward to future content.
Speaker 2: But I believe you have a little bit extra for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's been kind of up and
down all season, but it looks like it's coming to
fruition now. I have a meeting tomorrow, Victor, with one
of your colleagues over at Dauber Prospects, an onboarding meeting
as I'm going to be joining the team at Dauber
Prospects doing some of the back end updating of the
prospect profiles, which are so valuable to all of us
as we as we continue to live that fantasy hockey life.
I'm very excited to be taking on this role and
I'm planning to throw myself into it wholeheartedly, watch a
lot of tape and really get up to speed on
some profiles that need some updating with the hopes of
building my writing portfolio, so I can, you know, just
write more about hockey. This has been you know, this
is year three of me kind of getting into this
content creation in the fantasy hockey realm, in the prospect realm,
and so I'm just excited to be continuing on this journey,
and I could not be doing it with these two
gentlemen who have been so supportive. Victor and Jesse. I
can't thank you enough for involving me here with Fantasy
Hockey Life, first as the commission of the Tiered Dynasty
and now as part of this podcast. And you know,
continuing on with keeping Carlson Tidy Takes isn't going anywhere,
but I'm hoping to have a little bit more of
relevance to offer on this podcast going forward with the
work I'm doing with Dauber prospects and so thanks again
guys for everything you've done to get me to this point.
Speaker 3: Well, you're the best. Ryan. We appreciation man. Don't go away.
We love you so No, it's right back at you.
The love's right back at you. All right, let's let's
take a break. We're gonna come back here. Ryan's such
a good guy. I like that guy. Great having him
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