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Speaker 3: All right, now it's your time to get involved with
Speaker 3: gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham and this is gun Talk,
Speaker 3: and you can give me a call right now at
Speaker 3: Tom Talk Gun We are talking well about a lot
Speaker 3: of things, but one of the things we're discussing right
Speaker 3: now is the murders that took place in Twin Falls,
Speaker 3: Idaho yesterday. As we're talking on Sunday, guy with an
Speaker 3: AR starts shooting through windshields. He's in a parking lot
Speaker 3: of an in and out burger place, and while everybody
Speaker 3: else is shooting video him, one guy is shooting bullets
Speaker 3: at the bad guy. A guy named Jordan's Salinis decided
Speaker 3: he would shoot back. It looks like he's got an
Speaker 3: FN five point seven twenty eight pistol with a suppressor
Speaker 3: on it. You're shooting back at this guy. We have
Speaker 3: more holes in the story than we have fillers. We
Speaker 3: don't know a lot, or we don't know if Jordan
Speaker 3: Silinis actually hit the bad guy or if he's merely
Speaker 3: distracted him, which I say merely, which is not fair,
Speaker 3: because if you're distracting him, you're getting him to stop
Speaker 3: shooting good people and maybe turn his attention back to
Speaker 3: whoever's shooting at him. The bad guy is dead. The
Speaker 3: police have not told us who shot him. Was it
Speaker 3: the good guy who shot him, was the police who
Speaker 3: shot him? Or did the guy just off himself he
Speaker 3: quit suicide. Don't know. We'll know more in a day
Speaker 3: or two. There are lessons to be learned here about preparation,
Speaker 3: carrying and being willing frankly and trying me to talk
Speaker 3: about that a guy who teaches this stuff, Clark a
Speaker 3: potion out of Utah Clark. I know that this is
Speaker 3: just now happening. We're trying to make sense of it,
Speaker 3: and there's danger involved in trying to draw conclusions. But still,
Speaker 3: this this is quite the case study, isn't it.
Speaker 4: It absolutely is, Tom, and you know Twin Falls has
Speaker 4: been known as a somewhat sleepy town, but you know
Speaker 4: it's about three hours north of me and don't know
Speaker 4: how many hours south of you, But you don't expect that,
Speaker 4: but nowadays you have to. And the things that you
Speaker 4: have said are so important to understand, especially what you
Speaker 4: just said in that what if he didn't hit him,
Speaker 4: but he distracted him, and incoming fire always has that
Speaker 4: right of way, and even the bad guy, even the murderer,
Speaker 4: knows that, and he may have hesitated if he wasn't
Speaker 4: hit by him by Jordan, And I'm glad you don't
Speaker 4: mention the shooter's name, but we mentioned names like Jack
Speaker 4: Wilson one shot in Texas. He took out the bad guy,
Speaker 4: Elijah Dicken in Indiana engaged the person from what was
Speaker 4: it forty yards away in.
Speaker 5: A mall, yep and engaged him.
Speaker 4: So yeah, at the very least it distracted him and
Speaker 4: probably saved lives.
Speaker 5: So the other thing that I'm going back.
Speaker 4: On stuff that you've already taked Tom in that you
Speaker 4: have a gun. You always have a gun, and you're
Speaker 4: typically when you're out in a situation like that in
Speaker 4: a mall area or something like that, or driving around
Speaker 4: in and out, you're in your vehicle, where is your gun?
Speaker 4: Is it on your hip or is it in your
Speaker 4: fancy little magnetic hold or something like that. If you
Speaker 4: have to jump out of the car, you don't have
Speaker 4: your gun. So if it's on you, you have your
Speaker 4: gun and you can engage, and you know, you fight
Speaker 4: with what you got. It'd be great if you had
Speaker 4: that PCC, but if you just have a handgun, then
Speaker 4: you do with.
Speaker 5: What you can.
Speaker 4: There's some tactics and some things that we do. In fact,
Speaker 4: this brings me back to range Ready, a regular range,
Speaker 4: flat range, dirt firms. This kind of stuff. They don't
Speaker 4: do the kind of stuff that places like. And this
Speaker 4: is not an advertisement from range Ready, so you can
Speaker 4: do what you want, but they kind of inoculate you
Speaker 4: for real world scenarios, good guy bad guy type stuff.
Speaker 4: What's behind what's behind your shooter?
Speaker 5: If you miss her?
Speaker 4: It over penetrates right, and simple things like that.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, and I would direct people to the
Speaker 3: series we've been doing for seventeen years now, the First
Speaker 3: Person Offender series. It's on YouTube and it's you know,
Speaker 3: what do you do when? What do you do if
Speaker 3: how do you handle situations. It's just it's an eye
Speaker 3: opener and a thought provoker. But let me go back
Speaker 3: to your thought of Yeah, if the gun is on you,
Speaker 3: you will have it when you bail out of the car. Now,
Speaker 3: maybe you have time to go back to the trunk
Speaker 3: and get something. Maybe maybe maybe you don't. Maybe you
Speaker 3: got to get out of your car and boogie, in
Speaker 3: which case you want to have it on you. Clark,
Speaker 3: one of the things I was thinking about is I
Speaker 3: love little batty guns because they're so comfortable and so
Speaker 3: easy to carry. And you know, there's nothing like a little
Speaker 3: jframe or a little and the Smith Western Bodyguard two
Speaker 3: point zero is a great pistol, a little three eighty,
Speaker 3: and it has its place. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: I always think about they're easy to carry, and they're
Speaker 3: small when you carry in, but you know, when you
Speaker 3: pull it out to use it, it's small then too.
Speaker 3: And then I think, you know, but what am I
Speaker 3: going to want to have in my hand if I
Speaker 3: need it when I need it more than anything in
Speaker 3: the world. It's my parachute. It's the fire exting experience,
Speaker 3: the thing that lets me keep breathing. I'm gonna want
Speaker 3: something big enough to do.
Speaker 6: The job exactly.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that comes down to why
Speaker 4: do people choose these teeny little guns to carry. It's
Speaker 4: because their choice of holster for their real gun isn't
Speaker 4: appropriate or is uncomfortable.
Speaker 6: And you have.
Speaker 4: A box of holsters. Some are great, some are not
Speaker 4: good at all, and that's why they're in the box.
Speaker 4: So you find a holster that fits you that you
Speaker 4: don't mind carrying all that gun, that ten mil or
Speaker 4: that nine mil, that mid size gun that you don't
Speaker 4: mind carrying everywhere. And I think that's why people gravitate
Speaker 4: to those teeny little guns, because they can put them
Speaker 4: in their pocket and it's not a big deal. You
Speaker 4: find a good holster and a technique for carrying it,
Speaker 4: and I think you can you can alleviate some of
Speaker 4: those desires to go with the TEDA gun.
Speaker 3: You discover that when you go to a multi day
Speaker 3: class and you're drawing and you're shooting, and you're putting
Speaker 3: the gun back in your holster and now you're five
Speaker 3: yards and seven yards and fifteen yards and twenty five
Speaker 3: yards and you're going, I just ran out of gun here,
Speaker 3: and you're thinking this is not going to get it,
Speaker 3: but you have to put yourself into a situation which
Speaker 3: you know, Clark, you and I sound like broken records
Speaker 3: when we keep saying you gotta go get training, and
Speaker 3: people go yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but I want
Speaker 3: to go buy a new shiny gun. You go yeah,
Speaker 3: and you and I keep saying your next gun really
Speaker 3: ought to be a class I'm just.
Speaker 4: Telling you, yeah, I mean, and the training will open
Speaker 4: your eyes to things you didn't think about. In an
Speaker 4: engagement like this, there's other people around, innocent people that
Speaker 4: are trying to escape being shot and that type of thing.
Speaker 4: What do you do if your front site, rear sight
Speaker 4: is right on the bad guy, but directly behind them
Speaker 4: and maybe ten yards fifty yards behind them are innocent people.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We have that exact type of scenario in a No
Speaker 4: King shooting two years ago in Salt Lake City where
Speaker 4: a quote unquote peacekeeper engaged a supposed bad guy and
Speaker 4: ended up shooting somebody blocks away, killing. And there's a
Speaker 4: simple technique I'll just I'll throw it out there that
Speaker 4: you get with training, that you get with good training,
Speaker 4: like I could range ready other places like that, you
Speaker 4: drop down to one knee and engage. What does that
Speaker 4: do that causes your You still hit your target, but
Speaker 4: if it misses that bullet is continuously the farther it
Speaker 4: goes climbing at an angle over and above other people's heads.
Speaker 4: So yes, you know things like that.
Speaker 3: Take that idea and say okay, but if that involves
Speaker 3: is moving Okay. The other thing you can do. You
Speaker 3: can move left and right, you can change the backstop.
Speaker 3: Maybe the backstop becomes a brick wall. If you move
Speaker 3: three feet you're right. Or if you've got people moving
Speaker 3: around and you can't get a clear shot, maybe what
Speaker 3: you have to do. This is something you ought to
Speaker 3: work on in training. Maybe you need to move forward,
Speaker 3: moving through people so you can get to a point
Speaker 3: where you have a clear shot. Once again, people say,
Speaker 3: well I never thought of that. Yeah, I know. That's
Speaker 3: why we go do this stuff.
Speaker 4: That's why the training, that's why training. You get that
Speaker 4: and it'll help you inoculate. Because I firmly believe there
Speaker 4: are some people. There are people that are just wired differently,
Speaker 4: and sometimes you never know how you're wired.
Speaker 5: Are you going to be one of those people that's
Speaker 5: going to.
Speaker 4: Escape, evade, hide, or are you going to be one
Speaker 4: of those people like Jordan, like Jack Wilson, michae Elijah Dickon,
Speaker 4: who said, no, I'm wired differently. I'm going to resist
Speaker 4: that urge of self preservation. I'm going to engage the
Speaker 4: bad guy. I'm going to at least distract him, if
Speaker 4: not take him out, because we all know law enforcement
Speaker 4: will arrive. They'll arrive with hundreds of officers and helicopters
Speaker 4: and dogs and m wraps and everything. It doesn't make
Speaker 4: any difference the size of that response if the killing
Speaker 4: has already been done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is the stopwatch of death. The sooner
Speaker 3: you stop the killing, the more lives you save. One
Speaker 3: last thing. And I ask you this, and this is
Speaker 3: kind of a personal thing, Clark. I know every day
Speaker 3: when you leave the house, you got a gun on
Speaker 3: what goes through your mind each day when you put
Speaker 3: on your pistol.
Speaker 4: That's a good question.
Speaker 5: Two things.
Speaker 4: I'm going to continue my way of life. I will
Speaker 4: do whatever I have to to continue my way of life.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to get back home safely. If that
Speaker 4: means that I escape or of aid to get back home,
Speaker 4: I will do that. If it means engaging a bad
Speaker 4: guy and putting them down, disabling them, or in fact
Speaker 4: ending their life. I will do what it takes to
Speaker 4: get back home every day.
Speaker 3: There it is. And the last part I always add
Speaker 3: is and you don't say that may happen today you
Speaker 3: start off, I say today is the day it's going
Speaker 3: to happen. So you've already made that decision. You know
Speaker 3: what's going to happen, so you're not surprised wh going
Speaker 3: to happen. And that really decreases your reaction time.
Speaker 4: See Tom. This is why when you do a search
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Speaker 3: And yeah, you do your pretty good job yourself, my friend,
Speaker 3: you do your good job yourself. I appreciate it. Kark appotion,
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Always a pleasure having to hear
Speaker 3: you add so much. You take care of my friend.
Speaker 3: You do all right? Eight six six talk gun or
Speaker 3: Tom talk gun. At this point, are you making some
Speaker 3: mental adjustments? And if so, what are they? Let me know?
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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the homes. Let's go talk
Speaker 3: with Ron. I don't line one out of Lakewood, Colorado. Hey, Ron,
Speaker 3: you got a mess in Colorado, now, don't you?
Speaker 11: Yes, my bags, old tongue, My listen is has the
Speaker 11: State of Colorado overstepped its boundary on the Second Amendment
Speaker 11: because they are requiring us to take not only a
Speaker 11: class to how to operate the weapon, regardless of what
Speaker 11: it is, and it's a month long deal. Is that
Speaker 11: infringement on our Second Amendment? Right? Or do they have
Speaker 11: the right to say you can't do this and they
Speaker 11: won't let you buy it gun until you do this.
Speaker 3: It's a brand new law just went into effect. And yes,
Speaker 3: of course it's an infringement. The question is are they
Speaker 3: going to be able to get away with it? And
Speaker 3: we don't know that until we challenge it in the courts.
Speaker 3: Clearly the lawsuits are coming, and look, and I want
Speaker 3: people to understand, this is what we are going to
Speaker 3: have in a number of states. Once the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: rules next June that the states cannot ban AR fifteen,
Speaker 3: so cannot ban semi automatic rifles, the states will go,
Speaker 3: oh okay, we can't ban the sale of them. But
Speaker 3: what we do is we can require you to take
Speaker 3: a twelve hour course, or a twenty five hour course,
Speaker 3: or a four hundred hour course before you are able
Speaker 3: to buy one, making it completely impossible or at the
Speaker 3: very least incredibly difficult and expensive. The idea of being
Speaker 3: that we'll just replace one band with another kind of ban,
Speaker 3: and then we'll have to go back and challenge that.
Speaker 3: I have a hope. I don't think it'll happen. But
Speaker 3: when the Supreme Court rules on the Viamonte's case, which
Speaker 3: is the AR fifteen ban case, and we're going to
Speaker 3: get that ruling next June, that they put into that
Speaker 3: because they can see what's going on in California and
Speaker 3: Colorado and other places. They can see these kind of
Speaker 3: barriers that are being thrown up. Wouldn't it be nice if,
Speaker 3: in their decision, when they say you cannot ban the
Speaker 3: sale of AR fifteen's, and you also cannot put these
Speaker 3: terrible restrictive requirements to say, yeah, you can buy one,
Speaker 3: but only after you take these long classes that cost
Speaker 3: you all this money. I don't know that that could
Speaker 3: happen if it's not been brought up in the case,
Speaker 3: but I would hope. But bottom line to my long
Speaker 3: way around to answer your question is yes, it's clearly
Speaker 3: an infringement on our Second Amendment rights, and clearly it
Speaker 3: will be challenged in the courts. What happens in courts
Speaker 3: is always a crapshoot, you never know. But watching keep
Speaker 3: it posted. I appreciate it and thank you for the call, sir. Uh, Well,
Speaker 3: let's stay in Colorado with line five, shawns with us
Speaker 3: out of loans in Colorado. You got a ranger for
Speaker 3: it for us, Seawn, talk to me.
Speaker 12: Hey, Tom, I've called you before, and I'm a SIG fanboy.
Speaker 12: And Murdos was running a special, uh two weeks ago
Speaker 12: for a P three twenty compact with five magazines and
Speaker 12: a Savior equipment which equipment bag which they make superior
Speaker 12: range bags.
Speaker 5: And I just took it.
Speaker 12: To the range yesterday and it shot for four hundred
Speaker 12: Let me let me back up for four hundred and
Speaker 12: fifty nine dollars.
Speaker 5: Wow, I got this gun.
Speaker 12: Five magazines and each SIG magazine.
Speaker 5: Is fifty dollars apiece.
Speaker 3: And you know, you know what's going on. You know
Speaker 3: why they're selling so cheap because they have to because
Speaker 3: people don't want them anymore.
Speaker 12: Well, you know what, I have five sig P three
Speaker 12: twenties and I have never had one issue, not one,
Speaker 12: and I carry them all the time.
Speaker 3: Okay, not one.
Speaker 12: And this thing, I've never had a compact and it's simple.
Speaker 5: It's the basic grip.
Speaker 12: Model, right, and it just runs like a sewing machine.
Speaker 12: And I was I was getting at seven yards a
Speaker 12: two inch group?
Speaker 5: Well the trigger.
Speaker 3: Is are you going to carry it?
Speaker 12: I am, yes, absolutely, I just I just ordered an
Speaker 12: alien gear inside the waistband holster for it.
Speaker 3: Okod do you have an optic on it?
Speaker 5: No, but it's optics ready.
Speaker 12: You can take two screws out of the.
Speaker 13: Top and put a Romeo on it.
Speaker 12: And I'm thinking I'm.
Speaker 5: Going to do that.
Speaker 3: Do you have optics on any of your other pistols?
Speaker 12: I don't, and this one is the easiest one to
Speaker 12: swap out an optic to put an optic on, and
Speaker 12: I'm I'm going to probably take the time to put
Speaker 12: one on there and get familiar with it.
Speaker 5: So I can just point and shoot.
Speaker 3: Can I can? I Are you okay with me giving
Speaker 3: you a tip on that?
Speaker 14: Yes?
Speaker 6: Please?
Speaker 5: That's why I listened to your show for wisdom.
Speaker 3: Okay, what you about your optic completely unloaded gun? No
Speaker 3: m more around the drill. Of course, the challenge is
Speaker 3: to be able to draw and press out and find
Speaker 3: the dot because we typically go out and now we're
Speaker 3: waving the barrel around trying to find the dot and
Speaker 3: all that, and it's it's not great. Do it the
Speaker 3: opposite way. Start with the gun out again loaded. We're
Speaker 3: doing dry firework here, you know, two hand grip and
Speaker 3: you're looking through the dot. Now slowly reholster, figure straight
Speaker 3: and go back to the holster. Okay, ye, now come
Speaker 3: back out, get on the target. All right, you're gonna
Speaker 3: do everything in reverse. You're gonna start with the dot
Speaker 3: on the target and then come back and put it
Speaker 3: in the holster. Get back on the target, then put
Speaker 3: it but got back on the holster. Now you just slowly,
Speaker 3: don't work on this vest and then you start working
Speaker 3: with you pressing out and you can see the dot.
Speaker 3: And you can once you see the dot, you go
Speaker 3: back to the holster. You're drilling the motion of coming
Speaker 3: from the holster out to where you can see the dot.
Speaker 3: But you're doing it and reverse to make sure you
Speaker 3: start by looking at the dot instead of pressing out
Speaker 3: and then trying to find it waving the gun all around,
Speaker 3: you will find if you can do a couple of
Speaker 3: hundred reps like that, or starting with the dot on
Speaker 3: the target, coming back and going to the holster and
Speaker 3: ice and slow and drilling that motion, I think it's
Speaker 3: going to greatly accelerate your progress to being able to
Speaker 3: use that not well well.
Speaker 12: And I have a Mantis X and it clamps onto
Speaker 12: the picatinny rail under your barrel, and I know they
Speaker 12: have red dot drills for that, and I.
Speaker 5: Think that and that's been my.
Speaker 12: Biggest hesitation to put a red dot on anything. But
Speaker 12: a buddy of mine swears by it because he shoots
Speaker 12: competitive pistol and he uses a red dot and he's like, dude.
Speaker 5: You got to get with the twenty first century.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And most of people who tell you
Speaker 3: that are competition shooters and not guys who carry. So
Speaker 3: I'm just going to tell you do it and drill
Speaker 3: on it, but be skeptical and don't be real quick
Speaker 3: to adopt that as your carry gun until you are
Speaker 3: really really sure that every single time without fail, when
Speaker 3: you come out of the holster, you find the dot
Speaker 3: quickly until you get to that point. I would make
Speaker 3: that a practice gun, a range gun, a drilled gun,
Speaker 3: and I would carry something your iron sided guns, because
Speaker 3: you're good with those. But wait until you have achieved
Speaker 3: some high level of proficiency with the DOT before you
Speaker 3: start carrying it. This is not an anti dot comment.
Speaker 3: It's a common sense comment of making sure that your
Speaker 3: rig works for you. You're betting your life on it.
Speaker 3: This is your parachute. We don't want to say any
Speaker 3: it probably works and not a good idea. All right,
Speaker 3: let's keep this conversation going. We are talking about, of course,
Speaker 3: the shooting in Twin Falls, Idaho. We're a good guy
Speaker 3: with a gun fired back. The guy who's murdering people
Speaker 3: with an ar good guy had a pistol actually had
Speaker 3: a suppressor or a silencer. It really tacks people off
Speaker 3: when I call them silencers. That's just a bonus. It
Speaker 3: is a perfectly correct name. By the way, Hiram Maxim
Speaker 3: silencers when he invented them, completely interchangeable silence search suppressor.
Speaker 3: But they don't make them silent. You should know better.
Speaker 3: I'll give me a break. How pedantic can we be
Speaker 3: don't we have something better to do and try to
Speaker 3: mock each other. You caught it a clip. It's a magazine. Really,
Speaker 3: come on, get over yourself. I remember here's eight sixty
Speaker 3: six talk gun. Let's see. Steve called in out Omar. Steve,
Speaker 3: you went to the Goal Summit, guy gather?
Speaker 6: I did, yes this weekend, uh, yesterday and today. Well
Speaker 6: there's only about two hours left, so if you're in
Speaker 6: Des Moines maybe you can hustle up there and squeeze
Speaker 6: in the last speaker. But two hours from Omaha. So
Speaker 6: we went over yesterday and checked it out and it
Speaker 6: was great. It was wonderful. We saw lots of stuff
Speaker 6: there was there was well, all sorts of fun stuff
Speaker 6: to do. There's a little there's air rifle range, and
Speaker 6: they had some other simulations and of course it's a
Speaker 6: it's a big gun show. You can buy and and
Speaker 6: have a chip to you or whatever. But we went
Speaker 6: to one of the luncheons and it was a great
Speaker 6: inspiring speaker there. Well the door prize, my son won
Speaker 6: the cold Well play Copter Rip launcher. What at the
Speaker 6: door prize? My son won the launcher. Play with this thing.
Speaker 6: I know we're gonna go We're gonna go play with
Speaker 6: this thing. And uh not saying held one, not the
Speaker 6: battery one, and not the floor mountain, you know, the
Speaker 6: ground mounted one.
Speaker 3: Did you get did you get some target?
Speaker 6: No, we're gonna we gotta we gotta do that yet.
Speaker 6: So this is the rip chord one where you just
Speaker 6: pull the pull the cord clans it out there. Oh,
Speaker 6: I can't wait to use it. Can't wait to use it.
Speaker 5: And he decided about using it too.
Speaker 6: So so apparently these things don't break when they hit
Speaker 6: the ground like other plays.
Speaker 5: This is a right.
Speaker 6: They're a little more durable. I mean, they still break.
Speaker 15: When you shoot them.
Speaker 6: But is that is that your experiences for that?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 11: That is?
Speaker 3: And also, uh, they are biodegradable. They're not plastic. They're
Speaker 3: actually made of like a corn starch type material, so
Speaker 3: they do break down. So if you shoot them and
Speaker 3: leave them or the pieces of them, you don't have
Speaker 3: to worry about it's not plastic stuff out there because
Speaker 3: they look plastic. But you're gonna have a boll you
Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen. I'm just gonna make a prediction here.
Speaker 3: You're gonna love the ripcord and that's fun. But it
Speaker 3: won't be long before you're gonna say, we've got to
Speaker 3: get the battery powered one too.
Speaker 15: Right, right, and that big ground mounted one man, Now
Speaker 15: you can you can uh set it out there like
Speaker 15: in front of you, like y'all two, and then if
Speaker 15: there's a remote or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, there's there's a remote. And
Speaker 3: you can also make it go just by saying launch
Speaker 3: to it. It'll it'll throw targets.
Speaker 6: I mean, talk to it.
Speaker 3: You can talk to yes, exactly yourself. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 3: have to hold on to remote. You can hold your
Speaker 3: shotgun and say launch and this thing will throw one
Speaker 3: or two targets. And you can actually you can take
Speaker 3: a all right, love this. You could take a picture
Speaker 3: with your phone where you're going to throw in the
Speaker 3: targets and then touch the screen on your phone or
Speaker 3: where you want the target to go, and it will
Speaker 3: throw it to that place out there based on the
Speaker 3: photo that you just took.
Speaker 6: It's awesome. Hick's crazy. Finally, that's beautiful. Can't wait.
Speaker 3: Well, congratulations, I'm glad you you got something and had
Speaker 3: fun at goals. I appreciate that is a good rangeer
Speaker 3: for it right there. Thank you sir. All right, let's
Speaker 3: keep moving here. Talk to John in Dallas, h He's
Speaker 3: got a call some kind of report for us here.
Speaker 5: Talk to me John, Hey, Tom.
Speaker 16: You guys are talking about concealed cherry options. I just
Speaker 16: want to let your listeners out there know that another
Speaker 16: great concealed cherry option is the good old J frame
Speaker 16: from Smith and Wesson six.
Speaker 5: Six thirty eight.
Speaker 16: You have to have a balance between a shooting great
Speaker 16: and also being able to carry. So for a lot
Speaker 16: of concealed carry people, it's going to come down to
Speaker 16: a lot of convenience. Are you gonna want to carry
Speaker 16: a big, full size duty handgun on your hip ball
Speaker 16: day or if you're running to the grocery store. Is
Speaker 16: it easier to put a six point thirty eight in
Speaker 16: your pocket holster and throw it in your pocket? Right
Speaker 16: with the corollary the big thing. I also want you
Speaker 16: guys talk about a lot about the new red dots.
Speaker 16: Everybody's big on red dots. Another tool it doesn't replace
Speaker 16: good training. Another tool is a Crimson trace laser grip.
Speaker 16: Doesn't add any stock to a gun itself, but it's
Speaker 16: a good tool in a certain situation. Low light situation
Speaker 16: where you can't have bad eyes, you can't see very well,
Speaker 16: you can use that as a tool to aid in
Speaker 16: your shooting, especially very close, very close quarters. So Crimson
Speaker 16: Trace is still a great product out there. I don't
Speaker 16: have any financial the relationship with them, but some of
Speaker 16: my j friends and I like to carry. I'll use
Speaker 16: the Crimson Trace and I'll shoot it out the range
Speaker 16: and make sure I'm proficient.
Speaker 3: And let me tell you, let me tell you my
Speaker 3: experience with a Crimson Trace on a two inch revolver.
Speaker 3: They're so good. We were playing with them at the range,
Speaker 3: of course, just the things you do, and it's getting
Speaker 3: darker and we're kind of doing a low light shoot.
Speaker 3: We've got some steerer targets out there. We said, well,
Speaker 3: I wonder how far could we actually hit something with
Speaker 3: a two inch revolver shooting from the hip, from the
Speaker 3: hip with a laser. We're hitting steel at fifty yards
Speaker 3: with a two inch revolver. Yeah, I mean it just works.
Speaker 16: Yeah, oh yes, sir, Yeah, yeah. So everybody out there, hey,
Speaker 16: if you're if you don't want to carry something bulky,
Speaker 16: I mean it's hard to put a red down out
Speaker 16: a revolver nowadays. But hey, Crimson trace or whatever laser
Speaker 16: grip you get out there, it's it's another option. But
Speaker 16: you staw have the train that mister Tom Gresham still
Speaker 16: have to train, absolutely, you do.
Speaker 3: You got to train, You got to practice. But yeah,
Speaker 3: lasers are not a bad choice. And look, revolvers, smaller
Speaker 3: revolvers are a decent choice. You make it yourr and look,
Speaker 3: I thank you for the call. It's a good one.
Speaker 3: You make your decision based on your circumstances, and those
Speaker 3: circumstances may change from day to day. It's not a
Speaker 3: one size fits all. You may have to dress a
Speaker 3: certain way for certain circumstances. You go with a different
Speaker 3: gun for those situations. And people say, you mean you're
Speaker 3: gonna have to have like different carry guns where you've
Speaker 3: got different shoes for different situations. You don't wear your
Speaker 3: hiking boots, you know, to a ball dance. You don't
Speaker 3: wear your stiletto heels when you're hiking over the hills.
Speaker 3: You change your setup. Now there is of course, give
Speaker 3: you this thought. We've got the choices of really small guns,
Speaker 3: and we've got the choices of full sized guns. You've
Speaker 3: talked about that This is the reason we have the
Speaker 3: mid size guns that are so very popular. Think the
Speaker 3: category of the Glock nineteen. It's not a full size gun.
Speaker 3: It's not a subcompact gun. It's a compact. Well, what
Speaker 3: can you do with one of those? You could do
Speaker 3: anything you want to do with it. You can hit
Speaker 3: targets at fifty yards with that pistol, you know, and
Speaker 3: the P three sixty five's, the Sig, the Smith and
Speaker 3: West mmp compacts, the Rugers, I mean, you used to
Speaker 3: go on and on and on nineteen eleven's you can
Speaker 3: go with a commander size nineteen eleven. I was mentioning,
Speaker 3: hold on a second, Okay, back with you. I was
Speaker 3: mentioning I was using this cult custom carry limited. It's
Speaker 3: a commander size nineteen eleven. It is. It's not a
Speaker 3: lightweight commander. There are some lightweight commanders and like I
Speaker 3: really really like the Ruger nineteen eleven in their lightweight version.
Speaker 3: It is a great carry gun. This is not that
Speaker 3: it's a fairly heavy, almost range ish called a range gun.
Speaker 3: Man as it ever shoot and people are gonna look
Speaker 3: it up and they're gonna say, wow, that's expensive. Yeah
Speaker 3: it is. It's not really there to compete with your
Speaker 3: seven hundred dollars nineteen elevens. It's a twenty five hundred
Speaker 3: dollars ish pistol. What it's really there to do is
Speaker 3: compete with the Wilson Combats and the night Hawk customs
Speaker 3: that are forty five hundred, eighty five hundred dollars for
Speaker 3: some of those, and at twenty five hundred dollars out
Speaker 3: of the cold custom shop, it's a heck of a deal.
Speaker 3: And also I think competes very well with the Dan Wessons,
Speaker 3: which I've always thought are some of the better, maybe
Speaker 3: some of the best factory nineteen eleven's out there. Just
Speaker 3: food for thought. Is just looking for the mid size,
Speaker 3: if you will. I think it's a great compromise. And yeah,
Speaker 3: everyone we choose is a compromise. You know. You go
Speaker 3: to a big one to compromise because it's heavy and
Speaker 3: its bulky. You go to the small and it's a
Speaker 3: compromise because it's just not as big and it's harder
Speaker 3: to shoot. Well, there, it is. That's just how it goes. Hey,
Speaker 3: let's scrab up Joe out of Jefferson, Texas online too.
Speaker 3: Hey Joe, thanks for calling out what's on your mind? Sir?
Speaker 14: M O update Tom Okay, I found some found some too.
Speaker 14: Eighty four Winchester at buzzgunshop online.
Speaker 3: Budds has an awful lot of stuff. They are a
Speaker 3: big online seller. So what rifle do you have that's
Speaker 3: chamber for the to eighty four Winchester.
Speaker 14: Model one hundred evil send me automatic?
Speaker 3: Do you really Model one hundred in two eighty four?
Speaker 3: How long you had that?
Speaker 14: Uh? That was my dad's uh be all the end
Speaker 14: all rifle. He bought it in sixty three and when
Speaker 14: he passed away, it was handed down to me.
Speaker 3: So I'm agoing it was about sixty two sixty three.
Speaker 3: There is one. I used a Model one hundred. For
Speaker 3: those who don't know, you can look it up. The
Speaker 3: Model one hundred was a cool looking semi automatic rifle
Speaker 3: from Winchester detachable Box magazine, and I used one in
Speaker 3: three zero eight to shoot my very first deer when
Speaker 3: I was eleven years old. So yeah, eleven year old
Speaker 3: with a semi automatic in a caliber cartridge that's much
Speaker 3: more powerful than the five five six of an AR
Speaker 3: and they just flat work. They were also just good
Speaker 3: looking rifles.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 14: It's a beautiful gun.
Speaker 3: Well, that is terrific. Mean, yeah, people who have two
Speaker 3: eighty fours are always trying to find amos. So I
Speaker 3: appreciate the heads up on that man's that's good info.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you sharing that. What do you use that
Speaker 3: rifle for?
Speaker 5: It's a deer rifle.
Speaker 14: I live up here in northeast Texas and I recently
Speaker 14: replaced the firing pin on it. I wasn't sure if
Speaker 14: my dad had done that or not, so I went
Speaker 14: ahead and had that done over there and.
Speaker 5: Stree Board Area, right.
Speaker 3: They had a problem with them and there was a
Speaker 3: recall on that gun.
Speaker 14: Yeah, Clark's Custom Guns did that for me. I wasn't
Speaker 14: comfortable doing it myself.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, anytime you take something to Clark Custom Guns,
Speaker 3: you're going to get good work. We've had some nice,
Speaker 3: nice things done by My wife had her M and
Speaker 3: P nine milimeter worked over at Clark's and I had
Speaker 3: a terrific trigger job on it, and it is the
Speaker 3: envy of everybody who tries it. That's that's a good shop.
Speaker 3: Anybody in the area or actually people send guns fro
Speaker 3: all over the country to Clark's Custom Guns. I think
Speaker 3: the I think it's Clark Custom Clark Customguns dot Com.
Speaker 3: I believe it this. Hey, look, I appreciate your call.
Speaker 3: Really good range reports, Sir. I don't think we got
Speaker 3: time for the next one in here yet we do. Oh,
Speaker 3: we got plenty of time. Right, Let's get Brent out
Speaker 3: of Cashper, Wyoming, one of my favorite places where you're
Speaker 3: just as likely to see antelope on the golf course
Speaker 3: as any other place.
Speaker 13: Hey, Brent, Hey, you have gotten me in trouble with
Speaker 13: may as well.
Speaker 6: Okay, So.
Speaker 13: I had a long term buddy from my navy days
Speaker 13: that is now wheelchair bound and wanted to get rid
Speaker 13: of his Browning M two registered Form four machine gun,
Speaker 13: and you.
Speaker 14: Transferred it to me.
Speaker 3: You're talking to It's not a convert it's a full
Speaker 3: auto M fifty cown.
Speaker 13: Oh, it's the real deal.
Speaker 3: Oh you know I don't have to pay you. What
Speaker 3: the problem is with that?
Speaker 13: Well, the problem is the problem is feeding it, because
Speaker 13: I took it out and went through two hundred and
Speaker 13: seventy five rounds and it is a little over an
Speaker 13: hour and a half.
Speaker 5: But that's why, that's.
Speaker 13: Why there's surplus powder and surplus bullets, because I will
Speaker 13: load my own I have a bolt gun, so I've
Speaker 13: been loading my own for the bolt gun. But I uh,
Speaker 13: now now that it's I got the belt fit, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 13: that that extra sixty four pounds of powder that I
Speaker 13: had in the back, that's going to go real quick.
Speaker 3: That's not gonna last long. Because if you were to
Speaker 3: go out and buy, because I haven't done a price
Speaker 3: check on it, what does fifty cow ammo cost for
Speaker 3: factory loads?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 13: Well, I guess if you can find surplus, surplus would
Speaker 13: be cheaper. And I'm guessing maybe five bucks around right
Speaker 13: if you get if you get PMC or Hornity or
Speaker 13: some sort of target type ammunition, it's probably closer.
Speaker 3: To ten ten bucks around. Oh, but a yeah, and.
Speaker 13: It's just money.
Speaker 3: I'll make more, you know, there is that It's like okay,
Speaker 3: and it's a full auto M to fifty. What is
Speaker 3: that thing weigh?
Speaker 16: Oh?
Speaker 13: I can't lift it with the barrel one with the
Speaker 13: barrel off, I'm going to say it's probably sixty pounds,
Speaker 13: and then the tripod and the barrel add a little
Speaker 13: bit more. So maybe I'm not together eighty five ninety
Speaker 13: perfect concetial carry gun exactly. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
Speaker 13: why I'm trying to imagine amount for the goose neck
Speaker 13: ball on my pickup.
Speaker 3: Oh my heavi, but you are really having fun now,
Speaker 3: aren't you.
Speaker 13: It's only I mean, and this is just the beginning,
Speaker 13: because I have a Semi auto nineteen nineteen, and I'm like,
Speaker 13: you know, if I'm going to get another another machine gun,
Speaker 13: I'm going to get a number one. I'm not going
Speaker 13: to get a magazine fed if you're going go big
Speaker 13: a get a belt set.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 13: So it's like, okay, my choices are nineteen nineteen or
Speaker 13: I could I could dabble in the MG's or the
Speaker 13: Vickers or something like that, but I would probably stick
Speaker 13: with the nineteen nineteen platform because I'm somewhat familiar with it,
Speaker 13: having the semi. But uh yeah, it's not for dollar
Speaker 13: per dollar. Now when I say this, everyone's going to
Speaker 13: run out and buy him and drive the price up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not going to happen. Once they say the price,
Speaker 3: they're not going to be doing that. Look, and I apologize.
Speaker 3: I've got to go cause I'm gonna hit my brake here.
Speaker 3: But we're just gonna you know, if you're gonna start
Speaker 3: buying all of these belt Feds. We're gonna be talking
Speaker 3: about Brant. You're remember when Brant used to own a home,
Speaker 3: but then now he's homeless, but he does still have
Speaker 3: a lot of machine guns. So it works out just fine.
Speaker 3: It is like buying a great day in this case,
Speaker 3: maybe buying a whole herd of them, and you got
Speaker 3: to feed those things and that five bucks or and
Speaker 3: you go in to full auto. Oh goodness gracious, But
Speaker 3: let me tell you, all your friends want to come
Speaker 3: out and shoot with you. You tell a right, there
Speaker 3: you go, each of you throw down one hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: We can start shooting, because that's just what it's going
Speaker 3: to take. I like the way that guy operates though,
Speaker 3: full auto fifty cow Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 11: All right.
Speaker 3: In a few minutes here, we're going to have a
Speaker 3: chance to really kick off all of our ten milimeter fans.
Speaker 3: And you know what a ten milimeter fan I am.
Speaker 3: You know, we're we talking about guns for bears. Yeah,
Speaker 3: bear guns always a hot topic around here. You don't
Speaker 3: want to miss that one. We're talking about the fella
Speaker 3: in Twin Falls, Idaho. His name is Jordan's Salinas pulled
Speaker 3: out his pistol started shooting at a guy who's killing
Speaker 3: people with an ar When Jordan was posting some things
Speaker 3: online and he said, trained like your life depends upon
Speaker 3: it because God forbid, someday it might it just might,
Speaker 3: and was thinking about that and thinking that this guy, Jordan,
Speaker 3: he had mentally put himself into this position years before.
Speaker 3: He knew exactly what he was going to do, because
Speaker 3: he had practiced it, he had trained for he had
Speaker 3: thought about it, he had gone there mentally, he had
Speaker 3: imagined himself in that scenario. A lot of people don't
Speaker 3: want to do that for any number of reasons. I
Speaker 3: think some people don't want to do that because it
Speaker 3: makes them think that, yeah, there are bad people out there.
Speaker 3: I would rather not think about the fact that there
Speaker 3: are bad people. And I like living in my little
Speaker 3: bubble and it's comfortable here. I don't want to be uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: I get that. Then there are some gun people who
Speaker 3: won't do it because, frankly, they know that they are
Speaker 3: not up to the task and they are unwilling to
Speaker 3: change that status. They are unwilling to spend time and
Speaker 3: money to go get training. They are unwilling to go
Speaker 3: to the range and practice regularly I'm talking about really practice,
Speaker 3: like monthly, a lot of rank rounds down range. They're
Speaker 3: unwilling to carry a gun all the time. And look,
Speaker 3: if that's you, and you say I'm just unwilling to
Speaker 3: do that, that's you. I'm not going to try to
Speaker 3: shame anybody. I'm just saying that I think it would
Speaker 3: be a mistake to think of yourself as prepared and ready. Well,
Speaker 3: I have a gun doesn't mean a thing. Doesn't mean
Speaker 3: a thing if you don't have the skills and you
Speaker 3: don't have the will, you don't have the commitment. How
Speaker 3: do you get those things? Let's take it one step further.
Speaker 3: How do you go from I have a gun to
Speaker 3: I now have skills and the will and the commitment.
Speaker 3: You change your environment, you change what you're exposed to.
Speaker 3: You start watching our show First Person Defender all the time.
Speaker 3: We have hundreds of episodes of this. Now you look
Speaker 3: at that and you go, wow, that happens so fast. Wow,
Speaker 3: I never thought of that. Wow, that's an interesting take.
Speaker 3: I never would have thought of doing it that way.
Speaker 3: And you start pouring that stuff into your head and
Speaker 3: changing the way you think, and then you say, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go take one of those classes. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go to Thunder Ranch or gun Site, our Range Ready Studios,
Speaker 3: our ARTSIG Academy, or the Smith and Western Academy, or
Speaker 3: any one of a number of other places out there.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this. I'm going to take a
Speaker 3: multi day class, even though i know I'm not up
Speaker 3: to the task. It's okay, nobody's judging. You just go
Speaker 3: and learn. Yeah, but you know, I may be like
Speaker 3: the worst person in the class. That means you're going
Speaker 3: to learn more than anybody else. Oh, different way of
Speaker 3: thinking about that. You will. Actually, if you start way
Speaker 3: at the bottom, you will progress faster than anybody else.
Speaker 3: You will. I've seen it time and time again. You'll
Speaker 3: probably pass up some of those folks. You know why,
Speaker 3: because you'll be listening to the instructors. You will change
Speaker 3: who you are. Seriously, you will change who you are.
Speaker 3: You will change the way you think about yourself, the
Speaker 3: way you think about situations. You can make yourself that person.
Speaker 3: All it takes is a yes from you. Yes, I
Speaker 3: will do that. Yes, I am going to change who
Speaker 3: I am. I'm going to become a person who can
Speaker 3: protect myself. You can protect my wife my kids, my husband,
Speaker 3: who can protect others around me. I am not going
Speaker 3: to let somebody murder people in front of me, not
Speaker 3: on my watch, not today. And I'm going to do
Speaker 3: the things today so that I'll be prepared when it
Speaker 3: happens months or years from now. Simple as that. The
Speaker 3: fresh is, what are you prepared to do