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Speaker 2: The Tribal Chief Austin Montgomery alongside today. And I'm happy
Speaker 2: that we have some structure here. We have you know
Speaker 2: for me, I say we, I'm really just talking about
Speaker 2: myself a normal week. Last week was weird with the holiday,
Speaker 2: my illness, the weather which led to of course daycare
Speaker 2: and school not being opened. So I've been last week
Speaker 2: was kind of a throwaway and I'm ready to start
Speaker 2: fresh this week. Yeah, they had to. They had you
Speaker 2: out of the flea market, my man, right, yes, by
Speaker 2: the way, would you would you bring us? Okay?
Speaker 3: So I got I got two things, so technically three things.
Speaker 3: I got some like dip like some chips pretzel dip
Speaker 3: from the people like write as soon as you walk
Speaker 3: and I'll go I'll go ahead and give him a
Speaker 3: shout out. Dip into sample is what they called it.
Speaker 3: From a sample turned in two way. You know what,
Speaker 3: pick which one you want, brother, I'll go ahead and
Speaker 3: give you one. Hell yes, And I got the the
Speaker 3: Asciago garlic dip And they're really just packets of like
Speaker 3: seasoning that you just mix in with like some mayonnaise
Speaker 3: and some sour cream, because I mean mayonnaise and sour
Speaker 3: cream is like the base of almost any sauce. Now,
Speaker 3: I did some walking around, went and looked at like
Speaker 3: the the action figures and the trading cards and all
Speaker 3: that stuff. And of course there was the the old
Speaker 3: Kentucky Derby, old old Kroger shirt stand. And then I
Speaker 3: made my way back to the as I did the
Speaker 3: whole circle. I made my way back to the beef
Speaker 3: jerky and the people over there, I think they are
Speaker 3: called shanty man. Shanty man, shout out to them if
Speaker 3: you're listening, but.
Speaker 2: Shut them out.
Speaker 3: They hit me with two free bags of some hickory
Speaker 3: and some whiskey like jerky, and it was really good
Speaker 3: and it's like it tasted it was chewy.
Speaker 2: You know what question when you're getting it free, are
Speaker 2: you asking are they just giving it to you?
Speaker 3: They just gave it well because I was taking a picture.
Speaker 2: Well, because that's because that's great because usually, like you know,
Speaker 2: I know how to work these people, I'll say, they're
Speaker 2: they're there, and they probably don't have a whole lot
Speaker 2: of product to give away. Even if you like it,
Speaker 2: if they give it away to you and you like it, like,
Speaker 2: you may not buy it because you just got it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I had the I did the disclosure of saying, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm with the radio station. You mind if I post
Speaker 3: your face on our on our station website?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
Speaker 3: And they're like, you know what you're doing, might as
Speaker 3: well here pick out two that you like, buddy, And
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh right.
Speaker 2: It worked.
Speaker 3: It worked with the first guys, so I knew it
Speaker 3: would work with those guys. But nonetheless, they were really smart.
Speaker 3: They knew what they were talking about. And it was
Speaker 3: really good beat jerky. It's not the type that breaks
Speaker 3: your teeth. It was nice, chewy, tender beef jerky, and
Speaker 3: it was I don't one bad, didn't didn't last the
Speaker 3: whole ride back to the station nine.
Speaker 2: That's like ten minutes. So Austin wasn't wasn't gonna be
Speaker 2: with us on Friday. We didn't having a live show anyway,
Speaker 2: but he was pulled away from us to go work
Speaker 2: at the to go set up for iHeart at the
Speaker 2: Flea mark and I told them to find some random
Speaker 2: stuff to get, and I would say some beef jerky
Speaker 2: and some dip. I think that absolutely, that absolutely qualifies.
Speaker 2: And and you gave me a little bit of confidence
Speaker 2: with the iHeart brand that I never really thought about.
Speaker 2: But when you're in like an iHeart vehicle, you can
Speaker 2: kind of go anywhere. Oh of course. You know, even
Speaker 2: if they're like some free meals in the iHeart vehicle,
Speaker 2: even if they're reluctant like there, they're still gonna see
Speaker 2: that you are in a vehicle that quite literally is
Speaker 2: a company car for iHeart Media. Yes, and they're gonna
Speaker 2: have a hard time saying like, yeah, I guess this person,
Speaker 2: like even if I wanted to be a real stickler
Speaker 2: because they don't have the appropriate badge or parking pass.
Speaker 2: I also know that they're not lying about who they're with. Yes,
Speaker 2: so they may you know, some people are like oh
Speaker 2: yeah right away. Others may look at you like they
Speaker 2: don't want to, but then they will let you yes,
Speaker 2: Like remember like we did at the football about a year. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: that's where you taught me. Yes.
Speaker 3: I think the vehicle has helped me get in more
Speaker 3: of the parking situations than anything else, which is absolutely
Speaker 3: great and if anything, it does I'm a service because
Speaker 3: we are media.
Speaker 2: We are a media corporation and we're there to work.
Speaker 3: So wouldn't it wouldn't it be best to like give
Speaker 3: us somewhere to park, and especially at the fairgrounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take care of us, right, because we may use
Speaker 2: this platform to prop you up and give you give
Speaker 2: you thanks. I remember I drove the iHeart Durango to
Speaker 2: Des Moines, Iowa in twenty nineteen, and I was in
Speaker 2: the Taco Bell drive through after being out and about
Speaker 2: and just getting a late fourth meal as they call
Speaker 2: it at Taco Bell and heading back to the hotel.
Speaker 2: And they don't Every Taco Bell that I've been to
Speaker 2: has two windows for drive through, but they only use
Speaker 2: the one. Yeah, of course, so you just drive up
Speaker 2: then you pay. And I drove up in the vehicle
Speaker 2: and the young lady she saw the iHeart car and
Speaker 2: she was like, you work for iHeart And I was
Speaker 2: like yeah. She's like what do you do? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: it's not all that exciting. You're probably not our target demo,
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm a radio host and I talk about sports,
Speaker 2: and I'm here in town because the civil A tournament,
Speaker 2: and she just gave me the food and she was like,
Speaker 2: it's on us, And she had this look on her
Speaker 2: face as if like that was the coolest thing ever
Speaker 2: you were Seacrest basically, I mean basically, it's the best
Speaker 2: she was gonna she you know, she's in Iowa. It's late.
Speaker 2: She probably thought, well, this is probably the best I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get. It's not Seacrest, but I'll live in a
Speaker 2: world where where you know, he can be Seacrest in
Speaker 2: Des Moines, Iowa.
Speaker 3: And everybody always says, I listen to you guys all
Speaker 3: the time. They never say like a station or anything specific.
Speaker 3: They just yea the iHeartRadio app. So they listen to us, I.
Speaker 2: Guess, and they probably they probably worked us right where
Speaker 2: they talk when they say things like that, And then
Speaker 2: if we're giving away stuff, well, hey, if you love us,
Speaker 2: then here you go. Yeah, exactly, it's true. Could be
Speaker 2: a total lie. Can out hustle the hustler, Yeah exactly,
Speaker 2: no doubt. All Right. It's also beautiful outside today. I mean,
Speaker 2: like it's not crazy hot, but man.
Speaker 3: Fifty one degrees, no, fifty five degrees, No fifty is
Speaker 3: it in the fifties, fifty six degrees right now at
Speaker 3: forty six, and it you know.
Speaker 2: It's going to be in the fifties all week until
Speaker 2: I guess we've got high fifty seven today, high fifty
Speaker 2: three tomorrow, high fifty nine Wednesday, forty nine is the
Speaker 2: hot Thursday, and then fifty one is the hot Friday.
Speaker 2: So roughly on average we're going to be in fifty
Speaker 2: degrees or better. And that makes me very happy. Especially
Speaker 2: when the sun is shining. I need to get my
Speaker 2: car into a car wash. It looks absolutely disgusting. And
Speaker 2: that is, by the way, one of the things that
Speaker 2: I think I learned. I don't know if we've had
Speaker 2: a snowy two months in my lifetime as much as
Speaker 2: we've had in January and February, because again, like we've
Speaker 2: had big snowstorms, but the one we got in early
Speaker 2: January that was the most snow we've had in many, many,
Speaker 2: many years. And again it lingered because we couldn't consistently
Speaker 2: stay below freezing and then we got dumped on last week,
Speaker 2: not once but twice. And by the way, I think
Speaker 2: the snow that we got on Sunday that like nobody
Speaker 2: was expecting. It's funny. Everybody that I've talked to, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it woke up from the storm, the flooding from Saturday.
Speaker 2: They everybody looked outside and thought, what the hell's this?
Speaker 2: They're looking to see the water damage and everything's covered
Speaker 2: with snow. I think that actually left a bay to
Speaker 2: where we actually did have enough accumulation to where you know,
Speaker 2: you had schools doing NTI and whatnot, because the rest
Speaker 2: of the snow that last week really wasn't it really
Speaker 2: wasn't much. It was just it was so damn cold.
Speaker 3: Did you see the pictures of the waterfront and how
Speaker 3: how gross that looks since the Ohio River just basically
Speaker 3: flooded up into the river front.
Speaker 2: Oh you mean like now that it's going down. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's gross.
Speaker 3: Debris everywhere, branches, just nasty, nasty. I mean, kudos to
Speaker 3: them that had like go clean all that stuff up,
Speaker 3: because I wouldn't do it, but I know that they're
Speaker 3: asked for like volunteers and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the I think we're flooding got really bad in
Speaker 2: eastern Kentucky, Pikeville. There's some aerial video of their Pikeviielle
Speaker 2: Universities and actually might have been high school. You mean Packville, Yeah, Pockville.
Speaker 2: Their their football field is essentially, you know, a swamp
Speaker 2: or actually worse than that. I mean, it's it's the
Speaker 2: flooding there was really bad. But then to see once
Speaker 2: the water started going down, they've got I guess their
Speaker 2: government city employees out with snow plows, not for snow
Speaker 2: but for mud. Ugh, and that, I mean that just
Speaker 2: speaks to how I think MUD's the worst. Oh, it's
Speaker 2: so gross and nasty.
Speaker 3: They closed down the boat too, the Casino Caesar across
Speaker 3: the river. I don't think that. Well, it's not a
Speaker 3: boat anymore, so it does get flooded.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people still call the boat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I I'll always refer to it as technically Caesars, right.
Speaker 3: Yes it is. It's always been the boat ever since,
Speaker 3: ever since I got Here'll always be the boat to me.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't think that that was actually flooded.
Speaker 3: But the road, Highway one eleven, that long, dark, very
Speaker 3: disturbing road that can get flooded very easily.
Speaker 2: The road to get there, you mean, yes, yeah, the road,
Speaker 2: the long drive, the long stretch where you're thinking, like,
Speaker 2: all right, do I have a gambling problem? Like should
Speaker 2: I be driving over here by myself at two am?
Speaker 3: The place that's some sort of like I don't know
Speaker 3: who's in cahoots with who? But could you imagine if
Speaker 3: there was just like a bridge somewhere on the south
Speaker 3: end that just linked over there, we can be there
Speaker 3: in ten fifteen minutes. But now at this point that's
Speaker 3: a thirty minute dry for everybody. You gotta really want
Speaker 3: to be there, Yes, you know what I mean. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: I've never really thought about that.
Speaker 2: How how where it's located, and I mean I don't
Speaker 2: I'm sure they do what's right for their customers and
Speaker 2: their employees as far as safety, but I also kind
Speaker 2: of you know, if nobody's there betting, like are they
Speaker 2: making money? So like my point is for them to
Speaker 2: be closed as long as they were, it must have
Speaker 2: meant that the flooding was really really bad, because you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to be just okay, I'm sure
Speaker 2: they're gonna be everything's gonna be fine, because clearly enough
Speaker 2: people go there and bet. And it's actually a sad
Speaker 2: thing to think about because there are people who probably,
Speaker 2: you know, are there a lot more than they should be,
Speaker 2: and they've probably ruined their lives about being there as
Speaker 2: much as they are. But that you know, that's how
Speaker 2: these companies make money. So for them to just be
Speaker 2: closed completely, they really have no say. So if it's
Speaker 2: the road to get to you that's the issue, and
Speaker 2: not necessarily your facility, then you have no control over it.
Speaker 2: But I know they usually send I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I've heard now this is just here
Speaker 3: say that when it floods like that, or even if
Speaker 3: it's like icy and it snows and it's like not
Speaker 3: safe to get there, that they hire the road crew
Speaker 3: because they want to make that money too. They'll they'll
Speaker 3: be damned if they're going to click business day, so
Speaker 3: they need they they make it their own to just
Speaker 3: go out of their way and make sure that they
Speaker 3: hire somebody or make sure that somebody is out there
Speaker 3: fixing those roads just so people can go spend money there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I would I would love to know,
Speaker 2: and we're not. We're not. I mean, maybe somebody has
Speaker 2: this information and they want to share with us, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even really know how you'd be able to
Speaker 2: get it unless, of course, you know you work there.
Speaker 2: But the amount of money they get on an average
Speaker 2: day and then how that's just not there for however
Speaker 2: many days they're closed. I mean again, they'll be all right,
Speaker 2: but I bet that's it's probably the number that would
Speaker 2: make you sick to your stomach. Yeah. One. And it
Speaker 2: would also make you realize how much people gamble. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's tough. I mean you've seen the people there, though.
Speaker 2: When are you that you like that are there every
Speaker 2: time you go? When you go like twice a year
Speaker 2: and you're like this guy again, yeah at the crabs table,
Speaker 2: like you know, do you live here, my man? I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember we would do the show at French Lick
Speaker 2: whenever we were working with FanDuel before sports betting was
Speaker 2: legal in Kentucky, and it happened twice, or I would
Speaker 2: I would end the night going I would end the
Speaker 2: night at their belt or French Lick. I'm sorry, bel Terra,
Speaker 2: you're correct, yeah, a bel Terra. I would end the
Speaker 2: night at their great little sports bar they've got there,
Speaker 2: and I'd head up to my room eleven thirty midnight
Speaker 2: or something. This is when you know, this was this
Speaker 2: is different. We would always do it big March Madness,
Speaker 2: which was a great setup that we had. But I
Speaker 2: would I would leave and you can see like the
Speaker 2: first area of slot machines right there where the restaurant is, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there'd be a woman who was sitting in that machine,
Speaker 2: and I would I would go to bed, you know,
Speaker 2: eleven thirty midnight, and she'd be sitting there. I'd get
Speaker 2: up the next morning to set up the show walk
Speaker 2: down at like six o'clock and she'd still be sitting there. Wow,
Speaker 2: And like that was sad to me, like that because look,
Speaker 2: maybe she's just cleaning them out, but I doubt it,
Speaker 2: you know, Like it just made me like that's probably
Speaker 2: somebody's mother, or maybe like that's somebody who there's people
Speaker 2: that like don't and I shouldn't say like that's somebody's mother,
Speaker 2: what an awful person. I just mean, like that's somebody
Speaker 2: that you've probably tried to help, and like they just
Speaker 2: have a problem, I would imagine, or I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe it was just a random thing to where the
Speaker 2: two times I did a show there on a Thursday,
Speaker 2: or do the show on a Friday morning, and I
Speaker 2: stayed Thursday night she happened to be there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: people gamble a lot, and that makes certain people very
Speaker 2: very very very wealthy. All Right, we've got a streak
Speaker 2: that has come to an end. The Kansas men's basketball
Speaker 2: program has ended their eighty week streak of being in
Speaker 2: the top twenty five. Now this comes after getting blown
Speaker 2: out twice in their last three games. They did come
Speaker 2: back and really take care of business and just absolutely
Speaker 2: least I'd check. They were up nearly forty points in
Speaker 2: their game against against Oklahoma State on on Saturday. Yeah,
Speaker 2: their final score there was ninety six to sixty. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: they got blown out by Utah, got blown out by
Speaker 2: BYU and then two games prior to that two game
Speaker 2: losing streak, they lost to Kansas State, had a loss
Speaker 2: to Baylor. So you know, they're eighteen and nine, eleven
Speaker 2: and nine in conference play and they have a top twenty.
Speaker 2: Actually they're twenty first in the kin Pom, so they're
Speaker 2: not ranked, and they certainly have had some stretches of
Speaker 2: play this year where they were they were a mess.
Speaker 2: But I'm just putting it out there. I won't be
Speaker 2: shocked if we end up seeing Bill Self's team like
Speaker 2: make the Elite eight because they're not in this position
Speaker 2: because they don't have players. He's a phenomenal coach, and
Speaker 2: they already have, you know, a win against Duke, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it happened earlier in the year, probably wouldn't play out
Speaker 2: that way now. But again, even this month, they beat
Speaker 2: Iowa State, who last I checked, is still believed to
Speaker 2: be a really good team. So you know, it seemed
Speaker 2: like it was Bill Self's funeral last week because you know,
Speaker 2: the standard has been set so high that I want
Speaker 2: to and we'll get to a break in just a moment.
Speaker 2: But Bill Self having this kind of a year, I mean,
Speaker 2: you think that he's notine and eighteen. And look, he
Speaker 2: deserves criticism because it's his job. But what we do
Speaker 2: is that guys are so consistently good that like when
Speaker 2: they take us a step back, the perception is that
Speaker 2: the bottom's falling out. And it's really not like Kansas
Speaker 2: is safely in the tournament. They're still a top twenty
Speaker 2: five team in the metrics that matter. You know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of like Matt Paynter, he lost four in a
Speaker 2: row after they got killed by Indiana yesterday. Matt Paynter
Speaker 2: is a really good coach and Perdue. They're still safely
Speaker 2: in the tournament. But Perdue's been a consistent one seed
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. They played in the championship
Speaker 2: game last year. So yeah, they're nineteen and nine. Now,
Speaker 2: they're eleven and six in conference play, four losses in
Speaker 2: a row, melt down yesterday in the second half to
Speaker 2: to Indiana again. I think the perceptions like, damn, they
Speaker 2: got to get it fixed. Something's wrong, and maybe that'll
Speaker 2: maybe that'll prove out to be the case in a
Speaker 2: couple of years or something. But it's just when guys
Speaker 2: consistently win at such a high level and then they
Speaker 2: start to have, you know, losing streaks or big time losses,
Speaker 2: you think that like the world's falling, and really that's
Speaker 2: not the case.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the ceiling is for this Purdue team,
Speaker 2: but for example Yukon, Like this Yukon team, they're gonna
Speaker 2: get in, and they're clearly not what they were the
Speaker 2: last couple of seasons where you know, they won the
Speaker 2: national championship two times in a row, and they've they've
Speaker 2: been average in the big now, so they'll get in,
Speaker 2: probably be like a seven or an eight seed I
Speaker 2: would expect. But like when you hear Danny Hurley and
Speaker 2: I look, I love it when Danny Hurley's going to
Speaker 2: be arrogant in your face because things are going well,
Speaker 2: that's fun, right, because I've think he's a good character
Speaker 2: for college basketball and whenever you know, he's pointing at
Speaker 2: his The best thing ever was him pointing at his
Speaker 2: two national championship brings as he walked off the court
Speaker 2: after beating Creighton and obviously they had dollar beer night.
Speaker 2: Well then he turns around and loses to Seaton Haul,
Speaker 2: the worst Power five team in the country the next game. Like,
Speaker 2: to me, that's phenomenal, not because I hate Dan Hurley,
Speaker 2: but like you know, it's just that's funny. But clearly
Speaker 2: they're still in a good spot to where they're gonna
Speaker 2: make the tournament. And I don't know about you, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be signing enough to play Dan Hurley in the
Speaker 2: first round. Like, people don't know what down is until
Speaker 2: you go through what Louisville fans went through with Kenny Payne.
Speaker 2: Like that's one thing that like I think is worth
Speaker 2: reminding people about. All right, quick break, we'll come back
Speaker 2: on the other side. A lot more to get into
Speaker 2: before we get out of here. How do we feel
Speaker 2: about Jeff Brohm and the Brom squad being with Rick
Speaker 2: Patino yesterday at the Garden for his game? That was
Speaker 2: kind of weird. I don't have an issue with it,
Speaker 2: but just not something I would have expected. But we
Speaker 2: can certainly talk about that. Also, the creative ways these
Speaker 2: schools are now, I mean, they're having to be creative
Speaker 2: when it comes to finding how they can make money
Speaker 2: through nil There's one out there that I feel like
Speaker 2: is probably not going to get the money they want,
Speaker 2: but I at least admire their creativity. So we got
Speaker 2: a lot the rest of the way, So stick around.
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Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, hell yeah. Well Sawyer Brown, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know ball, that's really that's really how I live
Speaker 2: my life. I ain't first class, but I ain't white trash.
Speaker 3: Probably closer to the ladder, but you know, yeah, of course,
Speaker 3: but not completely over.
Speaker 2: That's I wouldn't have it any other way. So good stuff,
Speaker 2: all right, So what do we do with Rick Patino.
Speaker 2: You know, he came back to Lexington, and I don't
Speaker 2: believe that he was really going out of his way
Speaker 2: to like rub it in Louisville fans face that he
Speaker 2: came back, and really we should thank him because Kentucky's
Speaker 2: football season completely fell apart bo Midtum. Any momentum that
Speaker 2: Mark Stoops had at the time Rick Patino was there
Speaker 2: is gone because they finished the season really bad and
Speaker 2: they have seemingly no momentum in the off season. But
Speaker 2: Rick donating to the NI by the way, didn't ever
Speaker 2: confirm that actually happened, like Rick said, So well, Rick,
Speaker 2: Rick says a lot of things that people kind of
Speaker 2: just take it as like a partial truth. So it's
Speaker 2: Rick Patino theater. Yeah, Like it wouldn't shock me if
Speaker 2: Rick didn't actually ever donate any money to the Nile
Speaker 2: Collective for Kentucky football like he said, just like whenever
Speaker 2: he said he would have loved to have come back
Speaker 2: to Louisville, but he hasn't been invited back. Like that
Speaker 2: wasn't true. That was so he showed up to Midnight
Speaker 2: Madness and you know, did his thing. And I do
Speaker 2: believe that he has genuine love for Kentucky basketball because
Speaker 2: he was there and he he you know, Rick is
Speaker 2: a part of why Kentucky basketball is the program that
Speaker 2: it is, and he's not the entire reason, but he's
Speaker 2: a big factor. I think the timing of Rick doing
Speaker 2: what he did was I mean, Kentucky was starting to fade,
Speaker 2: just like they were starting to fade with Tubby, and
Speaker 2: then cal came in and made him relevant and made
Speaker 2: them the rock star kind of program in reminded folks
Speaker 2: that they have the history tradition that they have. So,
Speaker 2: you know, like Rick, Rick, I believe he's sincere when
Speaker 2: he talks about his love for Kentucky. I also believe
Speaker 2: he's sincere when he talks about his love for Louisville.
Speaker 2: But like Kentucky's probably a little bit different, And to
Speaker 2: be honest, he's kind of always told us that, like
Speaker 2: Kentucky was, was different and special, and he knows he'd
Speaker 2: never probably should have left.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think fans that were upset about Rick willing to,
Speaker 2: you know, lean in and want to be the big B,
Speaker 2: the BB and Grandpa or whatever and basically be like
Speaker 2: the you know, Mark Pope's advisor or Yeah, basically be
Speaker 2: the guy that's like overseeing the head coach now, kind
Speaker 2: of playing the grandpa role. Right. So a lot of
Speaker 2: old fans were like, how could you these guys, these
Speaker 2: Kentucky fans, They made fun of you for years and
Speaker 2: made jokes and we had to live for a long
Speaker 2: time just relentlessly hearing about how long it took you
Speaker 2: to finish at an Italian restaurant and that whole thing
Speaker 2: in general we had to hear about, you know, Katina Powell.
Speaker 2: And you know you weren't necessarily the guy that did that,
Speaker 2: but you know, you led the program. It was came
Speaker 2: it fell down when you were leading the program. And
Speaker 2: you know, Kentucky fans are the ones Kentucky media, those
Speaker 2: are the ones that just never let it go. And
Speaker 2: we defended you in the program and then for you
Speaker 2: to go buddy up with them like it made fans feel,
Speaker 2: you know, as if he like betrayed them. But what
Speaker 2: I said around the time that it was a real
Speaker 2: big talking point when he went back to Lexington, I'll
Speaker 2: say it once more in regards to that Rick doesn't
Speaker 2: relate to bands like Rick is in his own world,
Speaker 2: for better or for worse, Rick lives in his own world.
Speaker 2: So when he's bothered about Kentucky, he's bothered about Caliperry
Speaker 2: being the coach, a guy that he hates there and
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like he's worthy of the job. And now
Speaker 2: Rick's bothered that he's got to be a rival against Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Because I think Rick probably thought with his ego, and honestly,
Speaker 2: when he took the job at Louisville, he probably wasn't
Speaker 2: worried about Tubby, not because Tubby stinks, but like Rick
Speaker 2: was on top of the world, he probably wouldn't wory
Speaker 2: about anybody. Well, then things played out. You've got Tubby
Speaker 2: finishing up, Billy g comes in, he stinks, and then
Speaker 2: a guy that Rick hates is the coach of the
Speaker 2: program that he will always love. So it just kind
Speaker 2: of made it a weird energy with Rick in the rivalry.
Speaker 2: But as soon as cal was gone and Pope came in,
Speaker 2: like I'm not you know, I wouldn't have necessarily wasn't
Speaker 2: like I was for years predicting this, But once it
Speaker 2: was Pope that was hired and Rick reacted the way
Speaker 2: that he did, it kind of made sense because I
Speaker 2: believe deep down he is happy that Mark Pope is
Speaker 2: the coach there a guy that was a captain for
Speaker 2: him that won a national championship. Now, Rick's always going
Speaker 2: to be about Rick as well, and that's why toms
Speaker 2: Rix kind of, I think, kind of stepped in and
Speaker 2: made things about him when they didn't need to be.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what Rick's going to do all the time.
Speaker 2: Rick is great at making things about him. So you
Speaker 2: know when he said the next day after the Big
Speaker 2: Blue Madness thing at the Kentucky football game, when he
Speaker 2: was asked by one of the local Louisville reporters that
Speaker 2: was there, one of the one of the sports guys
Speaker 2: from the one of the local TV stations was there,
Speaker 2: and I remember who it was that asked him about it, like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know what about what do you you know what
Speaker 2: about Louisville And he was like, well, I have a
Speaker 2: lot of love for Louisville and I'd love to come back,
Speaker 2: but I've never been asked. Well, that one, to me
Speaker 2: didn't sound like it was true, but then you found
Speaker 2: out it was absolutely a blatant lie because they have
Speaker 2: honored Rick's teams before here when he could have back,
Speaker 2: and he chose not to. I mean, Luke Kencock put
Speaker 2: it out there pretty directly that that was just a
Speaker 2: blatant lie because Rick has been told he can come
Speaker 2: back and he's been invited and he chose not to.
Speaker 2: So that's just a lie. But Rick does that right,
Speaker 2: you know, and he could probably find a way to talk.
Speaker 2: He could talk his way out of it, because he's
Speaker 2: great at that, isn't he He could tell us, well,
Speaker 2: you know, actually Luke talked to me, Peyton talked to me.
Speaker 2: But I didn't want to just show up on announced
Speaker 2: without a conversation with the you know, with the board
Speaker 2: or something like. He'd find a way to talk his
Speaker 2: way out of it. Although I do think and I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if this is one thousand percent turuy, but
Speaker 2: I do believe and I wouldn't say that I didn't
Speaker 2: believe it. Josh Hurd made it clear to Rick he
Speaker 2: can come back, and he chose not to. Before well,
Speaker 2: then you have the two thousand and five Final four
Speaker 2: team get on ORed a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 2: Rick did a video and like, I think there were
Speaker 2: a couple of booze, but a lot of cheers, And
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of part of the healing prosums
Speaker 2: and then Rick really going out of his way to
Speaker 2: gas up pat Kelsey. That's part of the healing process
Speaker 2: that makes us feel good, right, Like Rick is kind
Speaker 2: of like the divorced parent with us, like we you know,
Speaker 2: we've got a new life now, but you know, you
Speaker 2: still were here for a long time, and you you know,
Speaker 2: used to coach the rival and then you kind of
Speaker 2: got back in bed with them. That made us feel
Speaker 2: a certain way. But I think there's so many fans
Speaker 2: that experienced such great memories with Rick leading the program
Speaker 2: here to where it's just not natural to think back
Speaker 2: to that era, especially an era that really shaped how
Speaker 2: fans became big time Louisville basketball fans. Austin's one of them.
Speaker 2: His only memories of Louisville basketball are with Rick Patino.
Speaker 2: Damn right, I'm a little bit younger, I'm sorry, a
Speaker 2: little bit older than Austin to where and look I was,
Speaker 2: I was obsessed. I mean, like I know all Like,
Speaker 2: just to give you an example, somebody put up a
Speaker 2: list of the top three Louisville dunkers ever on Twitter
Speaker 2: earlier today. Some Louisville fan that I don't know if
Speaker 2: he has a blog or whatever, but ended up on
Speaker 2: my on my for you thread here, I don't follow
Speaker 2: this person, not that I would not follow them, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying like it wasn't an account I was familiar with.
Speaker 2: But I saw that they were putting out the three
Speaker 2: best dunkers in Louisville history, and they had Montrez Harrold,
Speaker 2: Terrence Williams, and Donovan Mitchell, and I'm thinking, gosh, your
Speaker 2: parents would be ashamed of you. I didn't even live
Speaker 2: to see Darryl Griffith play, but I know that he
Speaker 2: belongs at number one and there's nobody else close to it.
Speaker 2: So like I was obsessed with it at an early
Speaker 2: age to where I do remember Denny's teams, But like
Speaker 2: I knew at the time, once I got to be
Speaker 2: a little bit older that like, yeah, like Louisville's not
Speaker 2: what they were in the eighties, but I was, I was.
Speaker 2: I was born into it, essentially, so I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit different to where I knew all along. Rick's not
Speaker 2: bigger than Louisville basketball, but he was a very important
Speaker 2: figure within the within the I mean, he was humongous
Speaker 2: for how Louisville is still able to claim they are
Speaker 2: one of the best programs of all time and everybody
Speaker 2: knows that. So again, even if you feel like he's
Speaker 2: dirty because he went back and was hanging out with
Speaker 2: BBN and really loving up on them, I still think
Speaker 2: it would just be an unnatural feeling for you to
Speaker 2: hate him. And I don't hate him. I never have
Speaker 2: and it's not personal. I mean I don't know Rick
Speaker 2: at all, and Rick was one of those guys that
Speaker 2: it was hard for anybody to really know him. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's he's a hard guy to get to get any
Speaker 2: kind of access to, to be honest with you, So
Speaker 2: you know, I think him wanting to talk or him
Speaker 2: going out of his way on Twitter to talk up
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey and how good of a job he's doing.
Speaker 2: He's done. At least a couple of times. Peyton Siva
Speaker 2: was asked by Rick to get Pat Kelsey's number for Patino,
Speaker 2: so you know those two have had some kind of conversation.
Speaker 2: And then he does the video at the final with
Speaker 2: the Final four team and you know, like that that
Speaker 2: was heartfelt and that was a special team. And I
Speaker 2: think we are now at a point where it's just
Speaker 2: a matter of time to when Rick is brought back
Speaker 2: and he's actually, you know, like given the same kind
Speaker 2: of honor that he did with Kentucky at their Big
Speaker 2: Blue Madness, and it'll and it'll and it's like who's
Speaker 2: gonna be against it? Nobody in the administration is going
Speaker 2: to be against it. No, like Pat Kelsey's all about it.
Speaker 2: Rick clearly. I mean I think him at least doing
Speaker 2: the video he did a video about Russ Smith when
Speaker 2: Russ got his number retire. But if you remember, that
Speaker 2: was just about Russ, and you know, I think Rick
Speaker 2: also would have There's no scenario he wasn't going to
Speaker 2: be a part of Russ's thing in some former fashion.
Speaker 2: But in fact, I don't. I'm gonna play this and
Speaker 2: this is the first time I'm hearing it, so if
Speaker 2: it sounds bad, I'm gonna bail on it. But this
Speaker 2: was Rick as he talked at the Miami Game a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago about the Final four team in
Speaker 2: two thousand and five that was honored that day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't hear it, right, It sounds terrible.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm magic John just a umbuy a three
Speaker 4: point line.
Speaker 2: We want to be long.
Speaker 4: Not knowing whether to Dudu thirteen from eighteen thirteen. We
Speaker 4: want them answers you can have is just some of them,
Speaker 4: just about the whole season switching play Dead Baby's Princeton.
Speaker 2: That sounds so bad. So I'm gonna try to fast
Speaker 2: forward through the the part of him talking about the
Speaker 2: run because I just don't want to play another minute
Speaker 2: of that audio sounding terrible. But you you should be
Speaker 2: able to at least hear what he says about Louisville
Speaker 2: and the fans.
Speaker 4: Coach Helston very boy, I said, Unfortunately I'm still coaching
Speaker 4: why but we're getting up to celebrate at greteen. I'm
Speaker 4: with you, inspirer and now to coach Kelston very few
Speaker 4: and unfortunate to coach university and you're one of them.
Speaker 4: And I yeah, that's well.
Speaker 2: He goes great friends.
Speaker 4: Love you never say goodbye and just said it. So
Speaker 4: I think it has to happen for seventeen years.
Speaker 2: Love is so much.
Speaker 4: I have a heart season.
Speaker 2: I mean, I shouldn't admit it, but like I got goosebumps,
Speaker 2: I too.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Ever, I take Rick for everything, like I know, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not like I think this is he's the I mean,
Speaker 2: he is the best college basketball coach ever in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But you know, like I get it, like Rick's gonna
Speaker 2: find a way to make it all about him, and
Speaker 2: Rick's gonna be Rick. Like we know what Rick Patino
Speaker 2: is all about, and we know and I don't mean
Speaker 2: to say that, like we know he's a scumbag, but like,
Speaker 2: I'm not someone that would typically have any kind of
Speaker 2: feeling towards that. But again, some of the best moments,
Speaker 2: in fact, the real good moments in my time as
Speaker 2: a fan, where when he was hitting the program and
Speaker 2: some of my favorite teams he coached, and you know,
Speaker 2: he's a hell of a coach. So hearing him say
Speaker 2: he wishes he could be there but he's still coaching.
Speaker 2: Like again, that's a sign that eventually, when schedules allow,
Speaker 2: there'll be something for Rick, and it'll be it'll it'll
Speaker 2: be it'll be good for everybody involved, I believe. So
Speaker 2: I only bring this up and I should have mentioned
Speaker 2: this initially, but I didn't. I didn't mention it in
Speaker 2: the segment we did talk about it earlier. Rick Rick
Speaker 2: posted the picture yesterday with the brom family, Jeff, his daughter, Brady,
Speaker 2: and Jeff's wife with Rick Bettino in the locker room
Speaker 2: saying so awesome to have Louisville have Louisville football coach
Speaker 2: Jeff Brahmin family into the world's most famous arena. So
Speaker 2: you know, that got a lot of reaction on on
Speaker 2: social media and the for the most part, for the
Speaker 2: most part, it's people saying, like, you know, love it,
Speaker 2: that's great. Rick's a card forever. Like I'm just reading
Speaker 2: some of their responses here. They could never make me
Speaker 2: hate you, Rick, Uh, this says love this, could never
Speaker 2: hate him. It's time to restore the damn records and
Speaker 2: in this nonsense, I love this beyond words. So other
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for the slight pause. There were some Saint
Speaker 2: John's fans that are like, all right, dude, will you
Speaker 2: promote us? You're our coach now. He's really playing into
Speaker 2: the emotions of Kentucky fans and Louisville fans, and at
Speaker 2: times we have to remind ourselves, oh yeah, he is
Speaker 2: not only still coaching elsewhere, he's got a top ten
Speaker 2: team that might win the whole thing. Yeah that's true too.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't you forget about that every now and then,
Speaker 2: because yeah, in a way, like both Kentucky and Louisville fans,
Speaker 2: especially just because of the more recency to it, Like
Speaker 2: we kind of feel like he'll always be ours, but
Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna have You're gonna win a lot
Speaker 2: with him. We're not jealous. A lot of time has passed.
Speaker 2: We still love him. We got a guy now that
Speaker 2: we really like, but you know, he's still ours, like you.
Speaker 3: And that's always what I thought of it, Like when
Speaker 3: he came back to Kentucky and people would ask us like, well,
Speaker 3: how do you feel about that? And like, it doesn't
Speaker 3: bother me. If anything, it's bothers Saint John's fans. Yes,
Speaker 3: And I remember you saying they're going to have a
Speaker 3: really good team.
Speaker 2: Who are Saint John's fans? Like, do they exist? That's true?
Speaker 2: Who are they? They're just a bunch of rich New Yorkers.
Speaker 2: But then some Louisville fans that were expressing maybe some
Speaker 2: negative energy to this whole thing, you know, donate to
Speaker 2: the Louisville Football Collective and we could be onto something.
Speaker 2: Or uh, he cursed Mark Stoops, get Brahm the hell
Speaker 2: away from Patino. I mean those things are kind of
Speaker 2: tongue in cheek, but I mean again, I think if you,
Speaker 2: if you are a fan, that maybe the majority of
Speaker 2: your memories about Louisville basketball are more Denny because you're
Speaker 2: on the older side and you didn't have I guess
Speaker 2: the same. It's not to say you didn't like Rick
Speaker 2: and didn't enjoy the time he was here, But there
Speaker 2: are some people that are I mean again, It makes
Speaker 2: me makes me realize how old I'm getting, Like Austin,
Speaker 2: how old are you? Thirty one? Thirty one years old? Yes,
Speaker 2: there are people that are in that range, and even
Speaker 2: some people my age, they just weren't as into it
Speaker 2: early at a young age to where the only thing
Speaker 2: like when they think about Louisville basketball and really the
Speaker 2: best times, the highs, the lows, you know, the roller
Speaker 2: coaster that is right, you know, having a team that
Speaker 2: is good but they have a setback and then they
Speaker 2: make up for it in March. That kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: or having a team that's really good but they slip
Speaker 2: up and lose in the tournament. Like the lasting memories
Speaker 2: good are bad? That really remind you, Man, you've invested
Speaker 2: some emotion here. There's going to be really no there's
Speaker 2: no scenario where you're not going to be super excited
Speaker 2: about a win or super sad about a loss, because again,
Speaker 2: you've made that emotional investment. There's so many people that
Speaker 2: every bit of that is the Rick Bettino era. So
Speaker 2: I just think, I think this was always going to
Speaker 2: happen at some point, I believe. And if in fact
Speaker 2: it's you know, next year or I don't know, five
Speaker 2: years from now and it's the twenty year anniversary of
Speaker 2: the twenty two thousand and five Final four team, I think,
Speaker 2: you know, honestly, I guess the next case, the next
Speaker 2: one would be probably the fifteen year anniversary of the
Speaker 2: championship team. But honestly, what they could do, I mean,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be against doing something for the Elite A group.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Elite eights are different than Final fours.
Speaker 2: It's one game, but man, it certainly seems like a
Speaker 2: different type of season if you made a Final four
Speaker 2: compared to an Elite eight, but like something to honor
Speaker 2: Earl Clark and that crew. So so those guys Jerry
Speaker 2: smith t will if he's out of prison yet, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm not joking, I'm being serious. I wish that
Speaker 2: wasn't the case. But you know, like maybe honor a
Speaker 2: team that maybe wouldn't you wouldn't think would be honored
Speaker 2: because one we missed those guys, but also likes if
Speaker 2: it's a quicker sign to get ricked back here, and
Speaker 2: it's not that we need it, it's not like it's
Speaker 2: something that has to happen. But like, I think there's
Speaker 2: been a lot that's played out really since the Kentucky
Speaker 2: thing where he went there and went to Big Blue
Speaker 2: Madness and was hanging out with Eddie Grant on the
Speaker 2: sidelines of the Kentucky football game, to where like he's
Speaker 2: kind of positioned it to where any moment we hear
Speaker 2: that he's going to be honored when available, like it
Speaker 2: wouldn't shock me. And again, if you don't really care
Speaker 2: about that at all, I get it. If you're somebody
Speaker 2: that is anti I kind of get it. If you're
Speaker 2: somebody that's like, all right, we need to make this happen.
Speaker 2: I'm where you are, and I think it's just natural.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break, we'll come back and wrap up
Speaker 2: the four o'clock hour. On the other side, keep this
Speaker 2: thing rolling along. Something else we got to get into later.
Speaker 2: I missed the chance to talk about this on Friday
Speaker 2: because I wasn't available to go on the air, but
Speaker 2: it sounds like we're gonna find out here soon if
Speaker 2: the SEC is going to a nine game football schedule,
Speaker 2: and if they do, you know, Kentucky's running. They're running.
Speaker 2: Governor's couple be no more? All right, quick break, give
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Speaker 2: We were wrapping up the four o'clock hour here on
Speaker 2: a Monday afternoon, a beautiful Monday afternoon. So I find
Speaker 2: myself nerding out on corruption and financial crimes, Like I'm
Speaker 2: a big true crime nerd. That's kind of like outside
Speaker 2: of sports. That's something I really enjoy when it comes
Speaker 2: to documentaries, and I even like read up on it,
Speaker 2: like I'm a nerd about it and it interests me.
Speaker 2: And what really has kind of been a real interest
Speaker 2: even more so is the people who are I guess fraudsters,
Speaker 2: and they're really bright, they're really smart people and with
Speaker 2: their with their I guess, uh, you know, savviness and
Speaker 2: their knowledge in the financial world, like they'll figure out
Speaker 2: a loophole to like scam money. And I'm sure many
Speaker 2: people have done that and not gotten caught. But what
Speaker 2: really fascinates me is that that moment where they realize, like,
Speaker 2: all right, I've gone too far. But then they don't,
Speaker 2: they don't, like they don't pump the brakes and run
Speaker 2: and hope they never get caught for maybe, you know,
Speaker 2: skimming a little bit off the top. As they say,
Speaker 2: they'll end up for years stealing millions of dollars from
Speaker 2: the government or from a company, and like they have
Speaker 2: to know they're gonna get caught, Like they have to
Speaker 2: know that eventually it's gonna be a bad day for
Speaker 2: them and they're gonna have to deal. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be bad. And one of the most fascinating cases
Speaker 2: here locally in the region in Kentucky, Annah that I
Speaker 2: is former Clark Kenny's Sheriff Jamie Noel, who was convicted
Speaker 2: of stealing more than four million dollars and I think
Speaker 2: it's actually more than more than that overall, but like
Speaker 2: that was just what he ended up stealing from the
Speaker 2: Utica Township Volunteer Firefighters Association and the Clark County Sheriff's Department.
Speaker 2: So he used the money that he stole over years
Speaker 2: to you know, personal expenses, luxury cars, vacations, lavish items.
Speaker 2: And he also you know, like he had his family
Speaker 2: in on it, and some of his daughters, I believe,
Speaker 2: got you know, I think they've been held accountable by
Speaker 2: the judicial system, and you know, it's awful that he
Speaker 2: was dealing all this money, taxpayer money, and you know,
Speaker 2: he just got comfortable. And like you, I'm sure he's
Speaker 2: looking back now, like one hopefully he feels bad and
Speaker 2: he's remorseful, but like the guy was clearly living a
Speaker 2: lifestyle that some would have to wonder like, how's that happening.
Speaker 2: So anyways, I saw this during the break from WDRB,
Speaker 2: and I think it's a good idea. But his classic
Speaker 2: car collection is going to be auctioned off and all
Speaker 2: the proceeds are going to go towards the three point
Speaker 2: one million dollar restitution that he has to pay. He
Speaker 2: was sentenced to twelve years in prison in October. And
Speaker 2: I just I've seen a few people on social media
Speaker 2: that live in I guess the southern Indiana area and
Speaker 2: maybe some of their some of their tax dollars were
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they pay taxes where he's at and
Speaker 2: you know, he was using it to have a lavish
Speaker 2: lifestyle and buy these luxury cars. But they're going to
Speaker 2: auction off all of his all of these luxury cars.
Speaker 2: And I mean, like, if you if you just want
Speaker 2: one of these cars, cool, but I wonder like if
Speaker 2: these have value because you'll know that it was a
Speaker 2: car that was obtained by this crook who you know
Speaker 2: is now rightfully in prison. But we're talking about I mean,
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Speaker 2: auction is shaping up to be the best one yet.
Speaker 2: So its collection it includes, I mean, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: see if there's like a list of the type of
Speaker 2: cars that he has, but I'm looking at like an
Speaker 2: old old cop car that has to be from like
Speaker 2: the sixties. I mean, yeah, these are more so like
Speaker 2: classic cars, like rare trophy type cars than you know,
Speaker 2: a brand new range Drover or something like that. But
Speaker 2: I guess what I find curious is if it is
Speaker 2: someone more interested in going and getting it and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe getting it for a good deal and then you know,
Speaker 2: wanting to be driving around when he gets out of
Speaker 2: prison and like shoving in his face that you have
Speaker 2: the car that he's that. I don't know, I just
Speaker 2: I think I read that it's the biggest I think
Speaker 2: I saw on the news yesterday. It's the biggest corruption
Speaker 2: case as far as the amount of money that was
Speaker 2: taken in Indiana history by you know, an elected official
Speaker 2: who decided to, you know, use his power and steal
Speaker 2: from people. But when you just look at and I
Speaker 2: follow this again probably closer than most, but just the
Speaker 2: amount of of of big expenses, I mean, he was
Speaker 2: basically just treating it like a I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 2: like I'm upside down on my mortgage let me see.
Speaker 2: Because again, you should never steal, you should never scam.
Speaker 2: But this guy wasn't doing it because he was having
Speaker 2: a tough time making end meat. He was just greedy,
Speaker 2: and greed's a powerful thing that gets the best of
Speaker 2: a lot of people. But yeah, these these cars look
Speaker 2: pretty bad ass, if I may say so myself. All Right,
Speaker 2: we got another hour, hopefully it'll be a badass hour
Speaker 2: as we wrap up a Monday. I mean, we're not
Speaker 2: wrapping it out. We got we got a whole hour
Speaker 2: to go, but you know what I mean, We'll try
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