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on your Utah ESPN Ready Network. We got to delve
into the Holy War win up at the Huntsman Center.
Why does it seem that Utah brings their A game
and only their A game against BYU. Last year, the
best performance from the University of Utah under Craigsmith was
at the Huntsman Center versus p YU. It was also
their It was their best win and their best performance.
I'm wondering, will that what we witnessed on Saturday is
that Utah's best effort, best performance all season long?
Speaker 3: Or do they get better?
Speaker 1: Do they have a win that's better than a lost,
a close loss.
Speaker 3: To BYU on their home court.
Speaker 1: Do they actually get wins of value in the Big
Twelve this year or was that their last hurrah for
the season. Will they trend in the right direction? They
have some good players, there's no doubt. But they were
on fire and they you look at the statistical outputs,
the efficiency metrics, and it's no doubt in my mind
up to this point in the season, Utah gave their
best effort versus BYU at.
Speaker 3: The Huntsman Center.
Speaker 1: Weil Devin and that will get into a ton of
content here on your Utah ESPN Radio network. Why don't
we get into it. Let's fired up ESPN, the fan
starting lineup and I can itcher do shoot to my
co host and the rest of the star stud of
Cats joining us for this Monday, January twelt the edition
of Cougar Sports Behind the Glass in Salt Lake City.
He was at the Huntsman Center. He got to witness
first hand the chants that came from BYU fans. I
heard it was about sixty forty sixty Utah fens forty
BYU fans and the Go Cougars BYU. Cougar's chance rained
down on poor Morgan Scalley, the head coach at the
University of Utah, and it was a catalyst for him
to say, muss raise up, let's go where's the where's
splash mountain at when you need it? Let's welcome in, Ronald.
The three man were to discuss it already.
Speaker 4: How you living I'm living good. Yeah, there was all
manner of chance. Morgan Scalley had that chanted of the
let's go Cougars. Some people may not like that he welcomed.
Speaker 5: In, but he also called this the greatest robbery for
basketball and for football in all of I guess college
athletics and sports out there. They also chanced Ben Michigan
when he was off this weekend, as well as saying Michigan, Michigan.
It was wild. Look than even Utah fans. I know
this might be negative, but even the student section was chanting.
When Canard Davis Junior got to the line d Ui,
I was like, wow, I did that. This is a
nasty rivaly things are not said and I heard stuff
from fans from by you walking around more Utah not
good stuff. Man, It's just it's this is a this
is a nasty one and back and with football, ben
we can you know, be secluded from it because we're
in the press box right basketball you feel that entire environment,
You hear everything, you see it all.
Speaker 4: Oh man.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, if you're a competitor,
that's exactly what you wanna want to be in. And
AJ will give his comments later, which we'll get into,
but that was a super hostile environment been on Saturday,
no doubt.
Speaker 1: For those that were in attendance. What did you make
of the Morgan Scylly speech and subsequent Let's go Cougar's chance?
Give me your thoughts on Twitter at crittle Benjamin. Let's
also welcome into the show, Brett. Always bring the hammer
hamber Time show what's up hamber Time.
Speaker 3: There were too many sports on Saturday, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: No, there's never too many sports any because I clever.
Speaker 3: I was trying to watch I was trying to watch
the end of the Packers Chicago game and I thought
that one was over, and then somehow the Bears stormed back.
So I was like, well, I'm gonna turn that, Yes,
I go turn on the BYU game goes to halftime
and come back. The Packers haven't scored since halftime. The
Bears are rolling. The Bears ended up winning. So I
missed like the first five minutes of the second half
of the Utah game. And I'm happy with the NFL playoffs.
I love collegewall playoffs. I love the out men's basketball.
But it's just it's so much going on. I don't
have You didn't have it. You didn't have enough screens.
I didn't have enough screens that I need.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't that there was too many sports, you
didn't have enough screens. Well, I know you need to invest.
I know, and either either you know what we've done.
We have a rolling monitor. Have you seen this? It's
actually you can check it out. It's actually pretty cool.
And all of the smart apps are on there. Okay,
so you can you can watch whatever you want want,
you can stream whatever you want there, and you can
stream whatever you want on your traditional TV. What I
need is and I think YouTube TV might have this,
but like because I can do this with Sunday Ticket
and I can do it with anything that's on the
ESPN app, And I know this violates a whole bunch
of media rights.
Speaker 3: That's why we'll never get it. But what I need,
and maybe Exfinity has I don't know, But what I
need is I just need to be able to take
the channels that I'm watching and put them in the
boxes that I want, because I'll tell you, there is
nothing better than Sunday morning. I have my NFL Sunday
Ticket and my NFL Red Zone, and I have four
boxes up all within my TV and I can just
look at the whole thing. I don't have to switch
from app to app. So I don't know how I
need to fix that. Maybe there's fans listening who could
tell me. But I'm grateful that I was able to
end up finishing with watching the bou basketball Utah game. However,
what I will say is if you only watch the
game on streaming and you didn't watch the game on Twitter, man,
you missed out on a lot of goods stuff because
a lot of the good stuff that came from that
game all happened off the court. Like in case you
missed it, the muss I think it's spelled ssum if
I am, I if I'm remembering correctly, because according to
Jay Catch posted a picture and said that they did
it wrong twice. They put the flag up once, got
it wrong, they did it up a second time, spelled
it wrong. So I don't know if it's the muss anymore.
It might be it might be the sum So you
had that, you had again the Morgan scaley BYU chance. Man,
if you were a BYU fan and you got to
be in the building for that one. What an electric environment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. There was plenty to criticize
their look, I am great. But what I take away
from that is the our game day experience, right, and
the familiarity of the game day experience for everyone involved,
the fan, the student, the administrator, the coaches, the players,
everyone involved. They all know what to expect and we
executed a high level.
Speaker 3: You could tell there was a little bit of.
Speaker 1: Unfamiliarity, uh there at the that was there these This
was the It's like what Rob right the third set
in the post game. Last time I was here when
he was playing for Baylor. There were no fans here,
so it was a little bit different. It was a
wild rocker. So they don't do this all the time.
They don't really are unfamiliar up for these games. It's
not their faults.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My brother was there, said it was a great atmosphere,
but he did point out a number of the faux pause,
a number of the the lack of continuity there at
the Huntsman Center ron.
Speaker 3: What was up the ring around the rosie at mid court.
I don't I didn't understand, like the fans and the
cheerleaders running around.
Speaker 4: The weird tradition that Utah does.
Speaker 5: And look, I thought Ben we as byu those they
graduated from that and members of the church.
Speaker 4: I thought we had weird traditions.
Speaker 5: But man, I'm watching this as a media member and
I was just confused. And then it went from confused
as I see fans coming down the slide on the
court or whoever the personnel that was asked a part too,
and I just felt sad. I was just like, this
is just this is gonna sound so so harsh. But
as a media member, you're still a fan of enjoying
the festivities. You're not like, well, I'm critiquing this is
immediate member. I don't get paid to critique the halftime performance.
But as a fan enjoying, I was like, this is
piss poor, This is bad. Like I'm sorry, I was like,
we you have to if you are a BYU fan
or but this is why those that have come to
BYU football games and basketball games say it's one of
the best atmospheres in college athletics, if not the best.
Because what I saw on Saturday, I just I really
felt bad for Utah fans. I felt bad for the donors,
the fans that come out that support like they deserve better.
Speaker 4: And there's definitely nothing.
Speaker 5: So anytime you want to critique BYU of maybe what
doesn't go well, I want you to think about that
if you attended that game on Saturday, because there's nothing
like the Marriotte Center going crazy and Wednesday they're gonna
be back in is gonna be is gonna be glorious
or Lavelle Edwards Stateium and new things that they've added.
So don't take that for granted. That's all I'm saying,
because when you start the travel and go it's different.
Speaker 1: Look, I would say, Rice Ecles does it right. I've
been to a number of games. They have their game
to experience down. So, like I said, it was the
lack of familiarity with what they're supposed to do when
they're supposed to do it. They just don't show up
to the games. It's just it was the biggest game
of the season. It was their super Bowl. Unfortunately they
fell to the Cougars, the Mighty Cougars of the South,
eighty nine eighty four. We're gonna break it down what
we saw, what we liked, what we disliked, what we
want to see going forward with this BAU basketball team.
They moved to fifteen and one on the season, three
to zero Big twelve play and the Utes fall eight
and eight overall and zero three and.
Speaker 3: Big twelve play.
Speaker 1: I think was it Ronald or was it Brett that
who said that they weren't going to win more than
four games?
Speaker 3: Who was it that said that? Was it?
Speaker 1: Four games?
Speaker 3: Was that the threshold? Oh? For Utah? For Utah? I thought,
I think that was ron Is that Ronald with the
hot take?
Speaker 1: Ronald?
Speaker 3: Do you remember that? Was it A?
Speaker 4: I don't remember doing that?
Speaker 2: Was that?
Speaker 4: It might have been Andrew Peters.
Speaker 1: It was Andrew Peters, right?
Speaker 3: Was Andrew?
Speaker 1: And I like it?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 1: Andrew has been known to be a bit of a
profit of u of prognostications of all things football related
and now maybe basketball too.
Speaker 3: Especially.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's got a special knack for for his hot
takes pregame, UH that I've grown fond of.
Speaker 3: Shout out to AP.
Speaker 1: We love AP on this show, guys, check out the
rest of our ESPN starting lineup. We're gonna get into
Kevin Young, Richie Saunders, A J. Debonsa commentary post game
after the Utah game, Evan Johnson, UH and others have
announced their comeback that they're they're they're coming back.
Speaker 3: Others have entered the portal.
Speaker 1: Will to give you an update on that in the
two thirty segment at two forty five, getting into maybe
some stats, some basketball and football stats.
Speaker 3: Don't miss it.
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More news and notes coming out of the college football world,
some soundbites, Joe Klatt attacking the SEC in full force.
Maybe some inside report later on at three forty five
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Utah dot com so real quick? Uh? Behind Ritchie Sanders
double double uh. The Cougars number nine now number eleven.
I can't believe they fell from gray so quickly after
beating Utah on their home court. It is what it is.
Got the win and a thriller. It was truly a thriller.
And it was at the John M. Huntsman Center. Whenever
you win there is a BYU cougar, it means a lot.
Richie Sanders hadn't got a win there, right, I mean, look,
it's not an easy thing. Richie had twenty four points
fourteen repounds. He made sure that he did not leave
the Huntsman Center without a w. So, despite leading by
thirteen midway through the second half, the Cougars had to
fend off a Utah comeback. The yout just wouldn't go away,
as the Utes cut the deficit to one with three
fifteen remaining, rob Right the third and Saunders answered with
clutch free throws and a basket from rob Right the
third helped BYU maintain the league. The Cougars had four
players score in double figures in Saunders right the third,
aj De Bonsa in Keva Cada Keba brought some a
game as well Saunders pace BYU obviously with the twenty four,
he added three assists and one steal and just looked
really good. Also with the second half, scoring seventeen of
those twenty four, De Bonsa added an additional twenty points
to extend his streak of twenty point games to nine,
along with six rebounds, four assists, one block, and one steal.
Cata contributed eleven points on five or six shooting BYU
outshot you top fifty to forty six point two percent
out rebounded forty one to thirty three, out assisted sixteen
to fourteen, and out blocked four to three. Nice effort
from this BYU men's basketball team. Before you get into
the sound guys, Ronald, you run a ten, it's give
me your breakdown, your summary of this game, what happened,
why it happened, and more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, Alex Jensen said, Ajy Debonsa wasn't gonna beat him.
They watched tape. Aj had twenty points. He still is
on that rent. What is it twenty point or plus
with scoring streak, So I think it's nine. Now I
think Trey Young leads to the big twelve and eighteen
if I'm correct. So they just gonna have a chance
been to be at a match or break that still.
But look, to me, this is very simple. Utah said,
we're gonna make other people beat it, and that's exactly
what happened.
Speaker 4: But this is where the three headed dragon.
Speaker 5: When you're gonna send two bodies of the AJA double
team and they're gonna blitz him from you know, the
weak side on the strong side and try to get
the ball out of his hand.
Speaker 4: It really trap.
Speaker 5: I thought, honestly, they did a good job I have
to give Utah credit.
Speaker 4: I thought that game plan was good. It worked only
for so long.
Speaker 5: But to me, Ben, I will say this, and this
is gonna BA offense might not like this, but I'm
standing tent toes down and if I had more toes,
I would add him to my feet.
Speaker 4: I'm serious.
Speaker 5: If Craig Smith was coaching that game, I think Utah
wins that game at the end. I think Alex Jensen
and being brand new and you're hearing the post game
wide a valid they what I'm back, and I'm saying
in a second, first time in the college basketball atmosphere,
close game like that, didn't know what to do. And
the reason why I bring it up just not defensively
but offensively BYU. When they when they started missing free throws, Ben,
and they missed six free throws down a stretch, and
really that six adds up to ten because if you
count the one day to put the game away, they
were up thirteen at one point. So when I said
twenty five, if they had hit the free throws, maybe
they win the game by twenty. But no, they started bricking.
They're shooting into the student section, and I thought when
they gave Utah some life. With three minutes and fifteen
seconds left, Utah took advantage of it, and I felt,
if Kreksmith would have coached a game, maybe they have
a chance to get that done because the same thing
happened last year. Trevor, they'll miss his free throws, Utah
comes in, gets it overtime, pulls away. But you gotta
give you what you credit. And the guy I want
to give credit the most is Will Voight. When Rob
Wright hits these free throws, and I'm not gonna say
because I'm watching the tendencies, but he yells something though,
and they dropped from pressuring Utah into a one to
three to one. And Alex Jensen in Utah was they
were like a deer lost in headlights. They had no
idea and they couldn't make adjustments. So whatever that defensive
call was in that last three minutes threw them off.
And that's what I thought kept the game in balance
even with the miss free throws. Now I would love
to see what Cregsmith would have done, but that's nor
here nor there. But to me, I thought the difference
was really BYU's defense. It wasn't even their offense because
anytime you score eighty nine points in a game, you're
gonna win it. But the defense is really what held
up in my opinion, and I thought down the stretch
they were phenomenal to have They're one of their best
two guards, dribble into a trap in Kaiva and not
foul a half canard and get them to turn the
ball over. It was phenomenal, especially in the first thing
I said on the pregame show, let me look to
see who's officiating this game and won by the man
names of Tony Padilla. I've never seen a goaltending call
that was not supposed to be a goaltending call confirmed.
I've never seen a confirm is on call. You're supposed
to say challenge unsuccessful. But even through all that mayhem
in a hostile environment, by you gets dubble. But to me,
what I took away was the defense down the stretch,
because that's what you pay coaches for, is clutch moments
like that. It's not for the players to make playss
for the coaches to execute the play to the players,
right will communicated then they go execute it, and by
you did that, and that's why they came out with
the win.
Speaker 1: Let's get through a couple of these sound bites. Kevin Young,
you've talked about decision makings big to how Rob Wright
made those decisions, those key decisions down the stretch.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got great.
Speaker 6: Voice, you know, he's His decision making has been something
that we've talked about a lot. You know, he had
one turnover, he played almost played the entire game, so
they were obviously doing a lot with AJ trying to
get the ball out of his hands, and I can
see why you would do that, but obviously we have
a lot of guys on our team that can make place.
Speaker 3: So Rob stepped up and delivered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my initial convo with Ronald after the game, he
was justs gushing about Rob right the third I mean,
you brought in Rob right for a specific reason, right
if if you you want a premiere point guard that
can get to any place on the floor, create his
own shot and create shots for others. I mean he's
a bit of a bruiser too. When he gets into
the paint, Like he can put a shoulder to you.
He can beat you with quickness, or he can beat
you with physicality, and it's fun to watch. It's a
he's a freaking mongoose man. He is quick, he is agile,
he is explosive, and very crafty with his pivot foot
like he just is.
Speaker 3: He's very crafty with it.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Rob right the third making good
decisions down the stretch and getting buckets where he needed.
Richie the Todd King also was on point. Richie at
fourteen fourteen rebounds, that's insane, it tying the career high.
It seems like he was always in the perfect spot,
especially on those offensive rebounds too. It seems like he
was always in the right spot. He's got great vision
and anticipatory instincts there on where the ball is gonna
come off the rim. How effective was that to be
able to get those rebounds and crunch times?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, Richie's will to win is just like
nothing I've ever been around. You know, he wanted to
we and he all wanted to get a win for
him here his senior year, and you know.
Speaker 4: He just he's possessed man in a good way.
Speaker 6: He just wasn't gonna lose, bottom line.
Speaker 1: Wasn't gonna lose the heart of a champion. The Todd
King has Richie Saunders love seeing that Kevin, how would
you sum up how they made you play differently than
you you really wanted to, and the free throw shooting
at the end becoming a bit of an issue.
Speaker 6: Agree with you jay on that. I mean, there's no
scheme for making free throws. You step up and making
what you don't. I mean, it's a bottom line. So
I trust all of our guys to make free throws
in big moments, and you know something that we just
gotta continue to, you know, work on at which we will.
In terms of how they made us play, I mean, look,
we had forty five points in the first half and
forty four in a second, so you know, I give
Alex credit. You know, that's was very NBA of him
to come out and just not let the best try
to not let the best player beat you. I thought
AJ did a good job though was still final ways
to get to his own spots get fathuly got to
the line twelve times still, so you know, our other
guys really stepped up, and uh in terms of making
us play a little bit different differently, in some ways
it helped us because now we're getting wide over the
shots and.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: That's k why discussing uh, the issues with free throw shooting. Look,
you're in a hostile environment. I love that we've gone
through a bit of this uh this uh refining fire
like we I don't know if we've experienced anything like
that this year.
Speaker 3: And we've struggled with free throws.
Speaker 1: It's not like we've been a great free throw free
free throw shooting team by any means, But have we
really been in a sold out rockets environment with a
student section with their flag backwards and you're like, why
is it backwards? I thought it was the muss it's
actually some and you're kind of distracted by everything. I
don't know if we have That was the first time
that maybe b YU has been in that type of environment.
Speaker 3: How rough do you think the environment against Yukon was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean but it was still a new victual court.
But it wasn't their home course, so he didn't have
like the student section you have, the band you didn't have,
you know what I mean? Like that to me, like
is the closest maybe because it was in an NBA
arena and it's close. It's way closer to Boston obviously
than it is. I'm sure those guys traveled, but if
I have to pick like the next closest because Utah
is undoubtedly number one. That's probably the next closest one.
But again, this is not only a rivalry game. You're
also or not only a road game.
Speaker 3: You're in a rivalry big gall game where Utah shows
up and brings.
Speaker 1: In and they're in C double A championship game because
that team most likely at least right now not trending
to be an NC double A tournament team. They're an
NI team at best. Right now, they're an n T
bound team unless they really turn something down. Unless they
play like they did versus BYU on Saturday, that's the
only way they're They're they're winning games this year because
they put forth a fantastic effort. I don't think we've
had a situation like it was Kansas State that way.
Was Kansas State that way, you don't have the rivalry element,
so to me, But like was it as wild and
raucous and it.
Speaker 5: Was loud, But I don't think it was a Utah
like the way Utah was like, look, this is all
I have to say. And I and Bred and I
were talking about this, and I don't want to go
back too much into it. But when you're chanting naughty
things that happened, when you're barking and they're right next
to the BYU bench beIN that doesn't happen, Like no
one in Kansas State cares like but people and you like,
that's what I'm saying, Like you're making extremely personal like
it's it's more with Utah. But it's good to your
point because you know why you know they go on Saturday,
Ben gonna go Lubbock. You think Lubbick. I think Lubbock's
up there with the Huntsman. I'm gonna be honest, Lubbock's
a tough place to play. Do you know where they
go at the end of the month, which is the
toughest place to play in my opinion, And they've gotten
to win there in the Mark Pope era fog Allenfield House.
Speaker 4: That's tough. That prepared them.
Speaker 5: You know where they're gonna go in about a month,
They're gonna go down to the Michael Center. So the
environment on Saturday prepared a j It prepared Knard these
other guys that maybe have an experience in the continuity
of the team. Because you got to go to Lubbick
on Saturday, you got to go to Kansas at the
end of the month, and then you're one to Baylor
Austin February. That's a tough place to play, and then
you play Arizona. So I think this just made BYU's
you know, chemistry a lot more. It made it easier
to be able to take four because I think Lubbig Fog, Allen,
field House and the Michaelson are tougher to play than
a Huntsman in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Well, like I have a little bit of grace because
you're on the road and that was the first time
you've been in that type of environment for the miss
free throws, Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: The other thing I'd like to add to this converse closer.
The other thing I want to add about this conversation
about free throws, and this is not a shot at AJ,
but go look at go look at the free throw numbers.
Campbell was one for one, Kennard was two for two,
Richie was four for seven, not great. Rob was three
for four. So really what it came down to was
AJ took more free throws than anybody else. AJ missed
more free throws than anybody else. He still went eight
for twelve, which is not like perfect, but it's not
like it's still better than fifty percent. He was shooting
a higher volume. We know free throws are not something
He's excellent a he's not horrible by any means, but
he'd definitely like to improve that. I it was sixty
six percent on the night, but it wasn't necessarily a
train wreck from the entire team. It was mostly just agent.
Speaker 1: The sensitivity of free throws in the final three to
five minutes is what we're It's always just exacerbated, right,
It's just it's just featured.
Speaker 3: It's out there.
Speaker 1: It's the whole concept of stress and pressure, the cornisol levels.
So there wereth your finker's getting a little bit tighter.
You're concerned about fear of failure rather than the faith
of success. Right, All those things contribute so it becomes
just a little bit more prominent. And that's when I
think most of these free throws were missed. I'd have
to look at the timeline, but uh, that that's that's
why we're like, hey, we got to figure this out.
But a little bit of grace because you're on the
road and there's a whole lot of chaos there in
the Huntmand Center. A couple of last things here. What
do you make of the defensive stop by Kaiba late
in the game.
Speaker 3: I just told the guys in.
Speaker 6: The locker room that was great. That stop was great.
What I thought about Caba though, is when I try
to take him out of the game when he got
a third foult. He's been the quietest person on playing
at the Earth until that moment. He's never yelled at
me louder than he did in that moment, which was awesome.
I loved it so Beatles like, am I still checking
in or not? No, You're not gonna shit down. So
that was cool.
Speaker 3: But Nahkba too.
Speaker 6: You know, we said we want to come up here
and win this game for you know, Richie, Kava, you
know j Mack and Dawson, and you know, I thought
Richie and Keba's will in that game was probably the difference.
Speaker 1: Richie, Richie and CABA's will to win was the biggest difference.
Shout out to Richie and Caba and escape Richie. Uh
was asked this question, how do you how does it
feel to finally get a win at the Huntsman Center.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 7: Let's I've come up here and come up short overtime,
lost by one, lost by two, like to be able
to finish this is a lot of fub.
Speaker 1: You know, cut out there, But yeah, Richie deserves that win.
The Todd King riding off into the sunset and this rivalry.
Congratulations to Richie. What were you seeing from Utah defensively
as you were able to get downhill effectively?
Speaker 3: Richie?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they were really closing all art to me,
which which allowed me to play the attack that closed
out and problems with my guys for making the right
reads and finding me in those closing opportunities.
Speaker 1: Have we seen an increase in athleticism from Ritchie over
the last year and a half, Like where that first
step is a little bit more just explosive pronounced. He
can he can elevate actually in his drive faith he's
off one foot and elevate, I think much better than
obviously when he initially came into b YU. He's become
I think, a more explosive athlete. Shout up to Wiz
and that strength and conditioning staff as well as the
nutrition staff over the last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a good athlete. The first thing though,
when you bring that to mind is was it Arizona
State where he went up for the dunk and he
didn't he didn't quite make it, so he was up
there and then he dropped ended up having to lay
it in. And then I think there was one in
the Utah game as well, where like he could have
dunked it and he didn't end up dunking it, which
is not all encompassing because he well he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He's not a two handed he's a two handed dunker.
He's not a single handed. His hands aren't big enough
to be a single handed dunch.
Speaker 3: Sure, you know what I mean. It's a lot, it's
a lot more difficult.
Speaker 1: So you got to get up a little bit high
and you have to be really confident that you're gonna
throw down. Remember Gordon Hayward. Hayward could jump rarely when
he won, one hand cocking back, and that's typically a
sign of look, I'm a all hand guy, all right,
Like I can't you know, I can't just get up there.
And you know, even in my prime, you just throw
it down one hand. I was a two handed dunk
or two to two footed jump or two So.
Speaker 3: You know what, I agree. Grace for my guy Rich
but I do want to give him a lot of credit.
This is the one stat from the game that I
don't think anyone's talking about enough. We're talking about the
fact that Richie led the team in scoring, We're talking
about the Big three show up. You know what we're
not talking about. You know who led the team in
rebound Saturday night. It wasn't Kaba, It wasn't Abdullah Ahmed,
it wasn't Hadeem, it wasn't Mahilo, it wasn't even aj Debontsa.
It was one Tater Todd King. Richie Saunders led the
team in rebounding with fourteen. Six of those were offensive rebounds.
I don't know the exact number on how many of
those were put backs, but a lot of them were.
And frankly, on Saturday night, when BYU got into scoring droughts,
Richie Sunder said, Hey, don't even worry, I'm gonna get
the offensive free. Doown put the ball back. I'm gonna
get us back on the board. So and I think
that honestly speaks a lot to his athleticism, the fact
that he was able to box and body guys out
and go up and get the board and then score
on top of it. That to me says more about
his athleticism then whether or not you think he can dunk.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to think of how many of those
were missed three point shots long rebounds. I think many
of them were so like like I said, his ability,
his vision, his visual acuity, and his ability to forecast
where that balls bounce it off the rim. Guys, that's
that's special. That's definitely special.
Speaker 3: And his will to win.
Speaker 1: Obviously, you got to be athletic, you gotta have the will,
you gotta have great vision as well.
Speaker 3: Ronald, did you want to chime in on there?
Speaker 5: I want to add to something else, and look, that's
why you crashed the boards. Ben And this who goes
back to Richie about if he could teach people how
to play hard, He's I'm watching him track the ball
and run down that's just high IQ in full. Out
of the six offensive rebounds or from miss threes that
he tracked down by the way, to give you guys
that number, I didn't shot out to Brett on pulling that.
I didn't know if we were going to talk about
that today, but we did.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 5: The last thing I want to say on his athleticism.
It's not just that Ben, but also he can step
back three. You remember the Arizona game. Wants to drive,
says no, And I didn't think he had this in
his back. I didn't think it would ever be developed.
He can't get past the guy. He goes in between
his legs dribble, literally puts the ball on the floor
between the legs, one jab, steps back, pulls the three
guys like that's a very bad shot and drills that.
I said, okay, when did he pick up? When did
he pick that up? Like that's what you expect from
rob Aj Knar And when he did that, I said, okay,
this kid has reached an NBA peak that you know.
Now we can say he can play at the NBA
that level, Like the rebounding is there, like Ben, if
he can put the ball on the floor like that
and step back and drill a three on your face
and he like I want Aj to get that first
quick step like Richie, that explosiveness where he can just
it's so fast and he's so dynamic when he gets
the ball. Is that's what makes him so tough to guard.
Is if you're a half, if you're even a quarter, second,
whatever the your zero point zero one, he's gonna draw contact.
You saw why Utah was so frustrat Look there, you
might argue that Aj and Richie both.
Speaker 4: Are difficult to guard.
Speaker 5: Extremely is like it's almost impossible when they get underneath
the basket, like when they get downhill, if you don't
like push them out of the pain immediately once they
get to the basket, it's over because they're just so long,
they're so fast, and they're so physical at the point
of attack. Look, I'm excited to see this matchup in
Lubbock because this is the game on Saturday. I know
I'm overlooking TC. That's bad, but I think they'll take
care of business them. See the Lubbit game. If you
can get a team like that, and then as you
start to get into the hard part of this schedule,
if they're playing at this high of a level, Bend,
I think we can start to say it more as
they get in the march, this team will be a
legit Final four contender.
Speaker 1: Let's get to a couple last sound bites here, Aj
to bots up, how would you describe the first time
playing at the Huntsman Center? And this BYU Utah robbery.
Speaker 3: Game Boy, that was crazy.
Speaker 8: That was super hostile. That's probably like, besides my high
school days, that robbery. That's probably like the most hostile
environment I've been in. That was really like welcome to
the Bay to all moment for me.
Speaker 1: And He's like he was taken back. What were they
saying to aj?
Speaker 3: Overrated?
Speaker 4: Overrated?
Speaker 1: What else were they say, Ronnie? Were you able to
pick up on Look?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this right I was.
Speaker 5: I asked for a different seat this time because I
like to be able to see the game because fans
just stand up in the other part. So I was
near the scores table and the other stuff that I
was hearing from some other people I won't say names,
but heard not good.
Speaker 3: Uh what it was?
Speaker 5: It average? And I'm like and I'm just sitting there,
Like he averaged. I was like, how is drawn tender?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He averages twenty points a game. No, That's what I
was getting in.
Speaker 5: It was from even like some of the people that
help out with the game, like personnel of like you know,
like that's not a foul, he's not playing good. Like
the moment and this is what I mean. And I'm
giving you a lot of people insight. There was one
playing in particular that really like irritated me. I don't
let stuff really get to me, but this one got
to me. Ben and Aj is backtracking his defender right,
trying to face guard him, as they say, not trying
to allow him. And when the guy is shooting a shot,
he tries to like jump at the last second to
avoid to not try to block him. He just ran
into him and he founded him as a foul by him.
There was someone that said, oh, he did that on purpose,
and we all watched the tape, made a bunch of
the media.
Speaker 4: Guys and I'm like, was that on purpose? And like, no,
it's unintentional.
Speaker 5: So I think sometimes in a Ribie game, when you
get emotional, things are said, and that's what was said.
Be overrated, not good, average, you know, foul baitor. Oh
he's only really good because he gets to the free
throw line. I'm like, that's not true, but that's what
was said.
Speaker 3: I heard.
Speaker 1: There was like an acron abused for Canard Davis.
Speaker 3: They were calling him out too. Not very very nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not very very nice, not very nice.
Speaker 1: Kevin, what was the message to your players following the
game and what do you gain from a win like this.
Speaker 3: What was a hard fog game, which we knew it
would be. I mean, rivalry games are like that for
a reason. That makes it super fun.
Speaker 6: I agree with AJ, just a fun environment. I mean,
there's nothing better as a competitor to go into somebody
else's building and beat them in their building, especially when
it's somebody that there's a long standing rivalry with. So
really it was really that usually so I'll get into
the stats this and that. Stats don't matter in a
game like this. I just thought it was a really
really good, hard fought win, and I just really praised Uh,
you know, I pulled Rob MoU and ajaside separately and
just kind of whispered to them, Hey, you know, you
guys probably don't. You didn't grow up hating Utah or
having a rivalry with all due respect of course in
a nice way, but this game means a ton to
our university, it means a ton for Richie and and
you know, we want to send them out with the win.
And that was really cool to see that those guys
step up in moments along with Kiva and Richie. So
that was really the message.
Speaker 3: Just proud of the guys to uh, you know, get
it done. Nice dub, great dub.
Speaker 1: But it's a quad two win on the road, and
uh you hope it stays a quad two.
Speaker 3: Utah, do your part.
Speaker 1: For the love of all that's holy, do your part
and uh it dude, you know what make it a
quad one win for us? If you could, it'd be nice,
could you. I don't know, we can't rely on that
much a j unless.
Speaker 3: They like they did. Man, maybe that's gonna be the catalyst.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's gonna be, like, you know, the the prod
that gets them going because they played extremely well.
Speaker 3: How do you lose eight games or seven games and
then play that well?
Speaker 4: I don't it.
Speaker 3: Is it purely just like the spirit of the Holy War.
Speaker 1: They just rates like, it's just crazy that you can
go from being that bad to play in that well.
I mean they were on a three game losing streak.
Their last win was versus Eastern Washington. But Mississippi State
laws cal Baptist, they gotta win. They lost a Cow
seventy nine, seventy two. They did beat Ole Miss. They
beat Ole Miss seventy five, seventy four. They lost the
Grand Canyon. They lost to Cal Pauly. They started the
season off decently with five wins. Anyway, let's let's just
hope that they get on the right track. In Byu
was the catalyst to get him on the right track.
Agent of Bonza, are you used to being the target
of opposing fans? How are you able to handle that?
Some of the chants they were they were given you
and you were still able to succeed.
Speaker 8: I've been dealing with it since I was thirteen. I
have been getting hate commons, hate phrases, sayings during games.
Speaker 3: I'd have heard it all.
Speaker 8: So I mean, I just got to play my game
and just make right decisions.
Speaker 3: He's hurt it all, he's heard everything.
Speaker 1: You've coached Ky two games at the Huntsman Center now,
once against Craig Smith and another against Alex Jensen. How
would you assess Alex and what you saw from Utah
on Saturday.
Speaker 6: Well, I've known Alex for a long time. You know,
we've coached against each other a long time ago in
the CHI League. We sort of broke into the NBA
around the same time. And when I was with the Suns,
he's with the Jazz. You know, we had a ton
of battles so I'm.
Speaker 3: Very familiar with him.
Speaker 6: He's a good person, but you still want to beat
him in a game like that. So he's smart, man,
He's a smart coach, and he's he's just figuring it
all out, all the idiosyncrasies. He joked before the game
because like in the NBA, like you do the anthem
and like the coaches wave and play the game. In college,
like before the game you like walk the line shape
and he's like still trying to figure out what we're
supposed to do this. So he's still figuring everything out.
But he's a smart guy. Man, and west with and
Willcox too, they're smart. They have a lot of experience
and so you know this will be some fun games
over the years between you.
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Johnson is coming back to BYU.
Speaker 3: I think if you look at the key.
Speaker 1: Players on the defensive side that you were most concerned about,
it was volatile Satuwala, Isaiah Glasker, and Evan Johnson. Correct,
those are the three that you were most concerned about
leaving because those are the three players that could go
pretty much anywhere in the country and either be a
starter or a verifiable like rotational guy, someone that's going
to get significant reps at an EP four institution and
get paid a pretty penny.
Speaker 3: So that's the good news.
Speaker 1: What's the bad new? What are some of the who
are some of the interviews? Look, and we've heard like
Body Schoonover's coming back Hunter Clak. Remember Hunter Claik was
a four star defense event. This is huge, This is big, Like,
you've not lost any key starter or key contributor. You know,
I would say, like key rotational contributor to the portal?
Speaker 3: Just yet?
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lost twenty eight players to the transfer portal this year
as of right now, boy, who's only lost ten? Unreal
what Bboyu was able to do in terms of retention.
Like I'm trying to find what exactly.
Speaker 3: The hard data is of why bau was able to
do this, But it's it's a really good number to
push back with fans because I think there are some
fans out there who are going, hey, everybody else's pick Hayes.
Fawcett is reporting every Big twelve school in the world
is picking up guys. Why do we only have three
right now?
Speaker 1: And the point you pushed back to him is I
get that, but also what else are you not talking
about with all those schools?
Speaker 3: All those schools lost guys? Who boy, you lose? Yeah,
who they lose?
Speaker 1: They have lost the one guy I thought they would lose.
Maybe followed Ougic He is such a big j Hill guy.
Speaker 3: He didn't go. Keanu was coming back. IG's coming back LJ.
You're talking about SMV, Like, yes, b YU is not
pulling in the same numbers transfer wise that everybody else is.
But it's because they don't have spots that they have
to fill because all of their guys want to come back,
so I would so the only guys we can make
an argue for of like hey, starters are key contributors.
Right now.
Speaker 1: You can say Tavian Beasley, he ended up at USF.
By the way, Tavian's committed. Max Alford did enter the
portal BYU linebacker, former Utah State linebacker, running back at
Park City High School, and he was essentially a rotational
starter this year to degree with behind Shielia Sarah. He
ended up injured, suffered a knee injury. We'll see where
he ends up. Unfortunately, his value in the transport is
probably going to be limited because he's coming off an injury.
We'll see if he ends up back at Utah State
where he can probably start after getting some good film
at Utah or you could see him, you could see
him making his way to like Michigan. The Alfred families
out there coaching at Michigan. You can see and there
is some connectivity there you don't know. We had Wilsonoden
on our show talking about Smith and others. We talked
about Walker Lions as well. He's well connected in the
recruiting industry. It knows where these guys are going. Don't
be surprised if Max ends up at a high level
program as well, because of the film that he was
able to aggregate at BYU and because of those connections, right,
because of he's got a good advocate for him and
he's so it doesn't have to be in state, but
I wouldn't be surprised if it's in state because he
can go in and start immediately, and he's not going
to be a rotational guy. He's going to be the
certified starter, even even most likely coming off an ACL
injury that occurred late in the season.
Speaker 3: We'll see how it plays out for Max Alford.
Speaker 1: But the two guys, and you could make an argument
for a third and Sonny Tuala, those are the guys
that were your rotational guys. Marcus mackenzie was more of
a special team specialist and that one hurts, but he's
also had injury issues. Whereas on the acquisition side, you
have three official transfers, right now Zach Yamauchi from Stanford, Okay,
a former high level three star, and then Kyle Casper,
a former four star wide receiver, now he a three
star transfer.
Speaker 3: That's just how it goes.
Speaker 1: From Oregon originally from Arizona, and then Walker Lions four
star tight end. Those are your three acquisitions, and you
now have eleven individuals that have entered the portal, but
none of your key starters, contributors, guys that you really
wanted to keep, in my opinion, have left. That's massive
and very few have that. Indiana, for instance, and granted
Curt Signetic's only been there for two years. Indiana had
twenty seven guys leave last year and they acquired twenty three.
And much of their success, people will say, is that
they have older, wiser football players that have played.
Speaker 3: A lot of football.
Speaker 1: Right now, they have nine outgoing transfers, so akin to
similar to what BYU has, and they have acquired fifteen
incoming transfers.
Speaker 3: So Boa is a little bit unique.
Speaker 1: Remember, they have the return missionaries that are coming back,
and so you have that element that maybe is not
always accounted for with these recruiting rankings, guys coming back
off missions et cetera. But that's the state of the
program right now. The Kilani culture is winning out every
single year. No other team in college football that is
won as much as BYU Football for the last you know,
probably the last three seasons, has that that type of
limited attrition. They retain a lot of the talent that
they want, Like the ones that that that hurt last
year were yes, Keelin, Marion, Harrison, Taggart, and obviously Jake Retslaw,
but that was kind of a forced situation with Jake
retz Law. But for the most part, you retained your guys.
And what does that say about the program? In the
state of the program means you should be optimistic cougarnation
about where we're going. And and most people say the
biggest loss is Jay Hill and Genaro, Well, did they
take anybody from you?
Speaker 3: No, they didn't. Close my mind. Still, I still cannot
believe nobody. And I wouldn't even have been mad if
Folatau or Schmev or Trey if any of these guys
had gone, I would not disrespect it at all. I
would respect the game. I am shocked that. I'm so happy.
I don't I don't want any of them to go
I'm just looking at it from an objective standpoint. I
think a lot of people thought somebody was going nobody did.
I still cannot believe that that played out that way.
Speaker 1: It's it truly is remarkable, and what does that speak
to speaks to Kalani? Kelly Papinga went on to BYU
Sports Nation last week and one of the things he
pointed out to was, like, the biggest piece of retention
is the fact that these young men want to play
for Kilani. He'll take a little bit of the credit
obviously as the defensive coordinator, but the biggest piece is
Kilani's culture and that they want to play for Kilani.
Speaker 3: Period. That's it. Look what's happening up on the hill.
I understand it's losing a head coach, which is different,
and they also lost a number, but they are losing
guys left and right, which that's not like taking a
shot at Utah, Like that's just the state of the
world of college football. When you lose a coach, guys go,
and they lost coaches, they lost other guys, Like, they
lost a number of coaches on that staff. They are
having to work really hard in the portal because they're
losing a lot of guys BYU lost a Jay Hill
who was I'm my guess is online with Kilani in
terms of how much they love that guy. People didn't
follow him when you when you.
Speaker 1: Juxtappose it with other places where similar things are happening,
Like I know there's fans who are like, why aren't
we getting more guys?
Speaker 3: Because you don't need more guys. And if you're really
really feeling down about it, go look at other people
who have a lot less because they've lost a lot more.
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I said, you have had two or Shuit, You've had
three transfers now come to by you, one from Stanford,
one from Oregon, one from usc You have an interier
offensive alignment in Zach Yamauchi Kyler Casper Wide Receiver from
Oregon and then Walker Lyons usc to b YU at
it as a tight end. I'd say it's been a
pretty good haul so far. We're always I mean, like
I said, like you're you're much more strategic about your
acquisitions at b YU because you have much more retention
and you have many more additions to guys coming off missions.
So we're gonna be strategic about it. I imagine we're
gonna know pretty here, pretty closely about you know here
shortly about packy female from the University of Washington that
would be a second addition to the offensive line. It
hasn't been made official yet, but it seems like it's
trending that way. Greg Biggins of Rivals had prognosticated Crystal
Ball that Paki would be coming to BYU. That doesn't
make it set in stone by any means, but Paky
a really good football player with ties.
Speaker 3: He's very familiar with t J.
Speaker 1: Woods, And in fact, I think he's only taken a
visit to b YU, and I think he canceled his other.
Speaker 3: Two visits at least up to this point.
Speaker 1: That's where it stands. We'll go to break, don't go
anywhere more to get to coming up next. Tom Holmo
former BYU Great Super Bowl Champion and the greatest athletic
director in BYU athletics history. He joins us next to
celebrate his mission. Call baby, that's right. He's going to
be serving a mission for the Church of Just Christ
of Latter day Saints in the Bay Area, going back home,
going back to his roots to preach the gospel and
lead missionaries. That's coming up next. This is Cougar Sports
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