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Speaker 1: We've all heard the classic analogy, right, oh, the iceberg. Wise, Yeah, exactly,

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the iceberg. You imagine the Internet you use every single

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day as this massive, towering iceberg. You've got your search engines,

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your social media algorithms, your corporate databases, your streaming platform, exactly,

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all of that. The entirety of the visible divisional world

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that you interact with is just the tip of the

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iceberg sticking out above the water.

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Speaker 2: Which is what maybe ten percent, roughly.

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Speaker 1: Ten percent of the actual Internet. Yeah, we all kind

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of know that analogy. But what the standard narrative usually

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misses is the architecture of the other ninety percent.

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Speaker 2: Right, People just assume it's dead space, exactly.

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Speaker 1: We treat the bottom of the iceberg like it's just empty,

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freezing water, but it's not. It is a highly sophisticated

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parallel infrastructure. It really is so welcome to thrilling threads.

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We are embarking on an extensive exploration of the source

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material surrounding one of the most mythologized, structurally complex, and

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honestly terrifying spaces in the modern world.

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Speaker 2: It is a genuine digital frontier, and what makes it

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so compelling isn't just the illicit activity. It's the sheer

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technological ingenuity required to sustain a trustless, borderless economy in

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complete darkness.

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Speaker 1: That is exactly what we are going to dissect today.

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Our mission is to strip away the Hollywood urban legends

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and look at the functional reality of the dark web.

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Speaker 2: And we have a ton of data to go through for.

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Speaker 1: This, oh, a massive stack of sources. We are looking

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at data from global drug surveys, extensive investigative reports from Motherboard,

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The Guardian, and the Washington.

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Speaker 2: Post, plus the first hand accounts.

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Speaker 1: Right a slew of deeply personal testimonies pulled from forums

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on Reddit and Quora. We're synthesizing all of it and

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to help navigate this incredibly dense digital underworld. I'm joined

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by our resident expert, who is going to help establish

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the analytical framework behind this shadow economy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm really looking forward to it. The dark web

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has earned its reputation as the ultimate digital boogeyman, and

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as we go through these sources, the reasons will become

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glaringly obvious.

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Speaker 1: Yes they really will.

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Speaker 2: But if we only look at the sensationalism, we miss

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the underlying mechanics, the why and the how of its existence,

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how it functions as a multi billion dollar shadow economy

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is just a fascinating study in extreme systems.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 2: It's a look at the deep seated human desire for

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absolute privacy, the mechanics of cryptography, and what actually materializes

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when you push the concepts of free market capitalism to

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an absolute, lawless extreme.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because before we get into the

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black markets or the true crime elements, we have to

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lay down the technical foundation, right, the definitions. We need

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to define the physical boundaries of the space for you.

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There is a pervasive misconception that the deep web and

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the dark web are interchangeable terms. Yeah, you see that everywhere,

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but there are fundamentally different environments.

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Speaker 2: It is a critical distinction, and blurring them causes a

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lot of the misunderstandings we see in mainstream reporting. The

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web is simply the portion of the Internet that is

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not indexed by standard search engines like Google or Bing.

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That's literally it. There's no inherent malice to it. If

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you log into your online banking portal, or you access

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a proprietary corporate database at your job, or you simply

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open your personal email inbox, you are operating in the.

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Speaker 1: Deep web, so it's just unindexed, protected data sitting behind

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a security wall exactly.

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Speaker 2: It makes up the vast, vast majority of that underwater

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portion of the iceberg.

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Speaker 1: It's the administrative backbone of the Internet. It requires a password,

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not a special browser. But the dark web operates on

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a completely different set of physical networking rules.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, the dark web is a microscopic fraction located at

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the very bottom tip of that submerged iceberg. You cannot

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accidentally stumble onto it using Chrome or Safari. It exists

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on overlay networks that requires specific specialized software to access,

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the most prominent being the Tour browser.

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Speaker 1: Let's spend some time on Tour because the technology irony

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here is absolutely fascinating. Tour stands for the Onion router. Yeah,

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and according to the historical data, this wasn't built by

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a rogue syndicateive hackers, none at all. It was originally

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developed in the mid nineties by the United States Naval

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Speaker 2: The origins are essential to understanding its current function. The

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US intelligence community needed a way to securely communicate with

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their operatives overseas without the host countries intercepting or tracing

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the origin of the data makes sense, but they quickly

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realized a glaring mathematical problem. If the only people using

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a highly encrypted, untraceable network are US intelligence agents, then

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simply being spotted on that network immediately identifies you as

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Speaker 1: Wow. Right, the encryption works, but the traffic analysis gives

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you way exactly. So their solution was to open source

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the technology and release it to the public. By flooding

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the network with average citizens, journalists, dissidents, and yes, eventually criminals,

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the intelligence op vatives could hide their vital communications in

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the noise of millions of everyday users.

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Speaker 2: It's the ultimate needle in a haystack strategy, except they

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Speaker 1: I love that framing, which brings us to how the

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Speaker 2: Right. When you use the Tor browser to access a

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Speaker 1: Which typically ends in a dot onion domain rather than

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a dot com right.

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Speaker 2: Correct, your data isn't traveling linearly. It utilizes onion routing.

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When you send a request, your computer wraps the data

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in multiple layers of heavy.

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Speaker 1: Encryption, hence the onion analogy.

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Speaker 2: Right. Your data is then bounced through a random sequence

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of intermediary computers known as nodes or relays, scattered across

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the globe. These nodes are operated by volunteers.

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Speaker 2: As your data passes through the first node, the entry node,

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a single layer of encryption is peeled away. That layer

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only contains the IP address of the next node in

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the chain, so the.

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what the data is or where its final destination is exactly.

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Speaker 2: It hits the middle node, Another layer is peeled away,

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revealing the address for the exit node. The middle node

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knows the entry in exit points, but has no idea

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who originated the request or what the content is. Finally,

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it hits the exit node, which a peels the last layer,

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revealing the final destination site, but the.

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Speaker 1: Exit node has absolutely no idea who initially sent the request.

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Speaker 2: By comportmentalizing the routing instructions, the system ensures that no

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single computer in the chain ever possesses the complete path.

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Speaker 1: It effectively breaks the chain of custody. For digital data,

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the sender is anonymous and the receiver is.

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Speaker 2: Anonymous, and providing human beings with a platform for mathematically

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guaranteed anonymity strips away every single societal and legal consequence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When you remove the fear of consequence, you inevitably catalyze

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both ends of the moral spectrum. You build an unbreakable

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safe haven for political dissidents and whistleblowers living under oppressive regimes.

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Speaker 1: Which we will explore deeply later.

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Speaker 2: But paneously you engineer the perfect untraceable logistical playground for

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Speaker 1: The statistics from the sources regarding the scale of this

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space are sobering. One of the reports estimates that there

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are around fifty five thousand of these dot onion sites

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currently in existence. Now, that number fluctuates wildly because these

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sites spin up and tear down constantly to avoid detection.

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actively maintained at any given time.

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Speaker 2: It seems relatively small compared to the surface web.

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Speaker 1: It does, but the defining metric is that an estimated

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sixty eight percent of those active sites are engaged in

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explicitly illegal activity.

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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, we are

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looking at an environment that operates like a lawless international

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free trade zone. It's a jurisdiction of zero, a jurisdiction

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of zero. Yeah, The normal regulatory frameworks of society simply

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do not apply, and commerce is dictated exclusively by supply

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demand and the cryptographic ability to remain hidden. The fact

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that nearly seventy percent of the infrastructure is dedicated to

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illicit behavior clearly demonstrates the primary utility of absolute anonymity, which.

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Speaker 1: Naturally brings us to the logistics of the marketplace itself.

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The black market bizarre. If you have an untraceable network,

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how do you facilitate a transaction? You obviously aren't plugging

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your visa details into a hidden routing service.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. The lifeblood of this entire shadow economy

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relies entirely on decentralized cryptocurrency, predominantly Bitcoin, though privacy centric

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coins like Monaro are increasingly taking over. Right now, we

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need to clarify a massive misconception that the sources address here.

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Bitcoin is not inherently anonymous.

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Speaker 1: Right, People get that wrong all the time.

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Speaker 2: It is pseudonymous. The blockchain is a public ledger, Every

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transaction is recorded. Federal authorities can absolutely see that you

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purchase bitcoin on a standard regulated exchange like coinbase.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of amateur criminals get caught.

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They assume crypto equals total invisibility, But how do does

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the dark web actually washed that money so the authorities

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can't follow it from the legitimate exchange to the illegal marketplace.

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Speaker 2: That is where the concept of a tumbler or a

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mixer comes into play.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a tumbler.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Before a user spends their bitcoin on the dark web,

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they send it to a tumbling service. Imagine taking one

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hundred distinct serialized dollar bills, throwing them into a massive

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washing machine with millions of other bills from thousands of

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other people, spinning it around, and then pulling out one

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hundred completely different bills.

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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 2: That's what a tumbler does digitally. It breaks the transactional

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link between the original source of the funds and the

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final destination. Once that crypto enters the dark web and

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is passed through various tumblers, tracing the specific origin of

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the funds used for a specific purchase becomes a cryptographic

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nightmare for law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: It is the technological equivalent of untraceable cash. And we

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can't discuss the evolution of these black markets without analyzing

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the titan that prove the concept. The silk road. Absolutely,

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the history of this platform fundamentally changed Internet commerce.

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Speaker 2: The Silk Road was a watershed moment. It wasn't the

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first time illicit goods were sold online, but as the

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first time someone successfully combined the anonymity of the tour

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network with the decentralized Trussel's payment system of.

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Speaker 1: Bitcoin, and wrapping it all in a user friendly interface

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that mirrored Amazon or eBay exactly. The sources detailed the founder,

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Ross Ulbrich, who operated under the pseudonym dread Pirate Roberts.

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He built this empire and it scaled incredibly fast, peaking

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at over one hundred thousand active users.

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Speaker 2: The sheer volume of narcotics moving through this digital portal

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was unprecedented.

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Speaker 1: It was, But what I found fascinating in the investigative

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reports was the ideological foundation. According to his manifestos, Ulbrick

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didn't view himself primarily as a drug lord. He framed

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his operation as a radical libertarian experiment.

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Speaker 2: He viewed the Silk Road as a philosophical circumvention of

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state regulation. He believed that any transaction between two consending

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adults should be entirely free from government interference, taxation, or

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moral policing. To that end, he actually banned the sale

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of certain items. The sources note he refused to allow

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the sale of stolen credit cards, assassinations, or weapons of

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mass destruction on the Silk Road, arguing that those items

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intrinsically violated the non aggression principle because they harmed a

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third parties.

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Speaker 1: But the reality of running a billion dollar cartel inevitably

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clashed with the philosophical idealism. He was eventually accused by

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the government of attempting to contract out assassinations to protect

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the servers from blackmailers, and ultimately the government did track

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him down.

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Speaker 2: The twenty thirteen bus to the Silk Road is a

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masterclass in digital forensics. The FBI didn't break the encryption

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of tour. Instead, they relied on user error and server

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misconfigurations human elements. Always they managed to locate the physical

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by exploiting a tiny leak in the site's kptcha system

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that accidentally pinged a real IP address that is wild.

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Speaker 1: They seized over one billion dollars worth of bitcoin, which

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is still one of the largest financial seizures in history.

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Albrick was arrested in a public Library in San Francisco,

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caught red handed logged into the master admin account. He

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has handed a double life sentence plus forty years. The

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authorities thought they had cut the head off the.

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Speaker 2: Snake, but you have to look at the structural outcome.

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did it destroy the underlying technology. It merely demonstrated to

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every other ambitious coder that the model was wildly profitable.

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It triggered a hydra effect. You cut off one head

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and dozens of smaller, more decentralized, and far more ruthless

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markets sprang up to fill the vacuum.

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Speaker 1: Markets like Alphabet and dream Market emerged.

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Speaker 2: And they abandoned Ulbrick's libertarian ethics. They commodified everything.

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Speaker 1: The array of items available on these fractured modern markets

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is dizzying. We come through the reports on what is

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actively being traded today and it ranges from mundane every

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day fraud to high tech infrastructural threats. Let's look at

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the fraud economy first, because this is what directly impacts you,

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the average listener.

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Speaker 2: The commodification of stolen data is perhaps the most pervasive threat.

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If you have ever had a credit card randomly flagged

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for fraudulent purchases halfway across the world. There is a

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very high statistical probability that the card number was auctioned

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on a dark web forum.

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Speaker 1: The logistics of how they sell these cards is grimly fascinating.

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The sources point out that hackers aren't selling storn credit

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cards one by one. They sell them in massive, bundled batches,

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often one hundred at a time. It completely changes the

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risk profile. When I was reading this, it struck me

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that it's operating exactly like the market for illicit scratch

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off lottery tickets. A buyer pays a flat rate and

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bitcoin for one hundred stolen cards, fully aware that the

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vast majority of them will have already been canceled by

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the issuing banks.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. The buyer is just gambling that three or four

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of the cards in that batch are still active, allowing

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them to quickly extract enough value in gift cards or

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untraceable goods to make a profit before the security algorithms

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catch up.

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Speaker 1: It's just an economy of scale, and that's just the

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disposable data. The market for permanent, deeply personal data is

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significantly more lucrative. We are talking about the sale of

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full identity profiles, known in these circles as full parts.

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Speaker 2: Which includes your name, date of birth, address, and your

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social Security number.

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Speaker 1: But the identity theft market is highly segmented. Not all

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social security numbers carry the same value. The holy grail

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for a data broker on the dark web is a

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social Security number that is tied to a credit score

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of seven hundred and fifty or higher.

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Speaker 2: That specific metric. The seven to fifty credit score is

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the threshold for premium fraud with a stolen credit card.

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The victim usually notices the fraudulent charge within a few

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days and the bank reverses it. The damage is contained,

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but a premium social Security number, a sophisticated fraudster isn't

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buying a TV. They are taking out a massive fraudulent mortgage.

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They are securing fifty thousand dollars business loans in your name. Wow.

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Because it's a line of credit rather than a direct withdrawal,

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it can take months, sometimes years for the victim to

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realize their financial identity has been completely hollowed out. The

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value of the data is proportional to the delayed detection time.

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Speaker 1: That is terrifying. Then you have the microeconomy of the

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dark web, which honestly borders on the ubsert. You can

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buy stolen streaming accounts. Yeah, a seller uses stolen credit

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cards to set up hundreds of premium Netflix or Spotify

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accounts and then sells the login credentials for pennies on

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the dollar. You just pay a tiny fraction of bitcoin

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and you get access. I suppose that the original owner

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changes the password, you just go buy another one. But

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my absolute favorite detail from the investigative reports, because it

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highlights the bizarre duality of the space, is the market

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for fake grossery.

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Speaker 2: Coupons, extreme dark Web couponing. It sounds like a joke,

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but the logistics behind it are remarkably complex.

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Speaker 1: It really is. You have criminal syndicates utilizing military grade encryption,

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masking their IP addresses through global nodes, risking federal wire

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fraud and cyber crime prosecution.

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Speaker 2: All to sell ultra realistic ninety day coupons. They give

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you fifty cents off a box of frosted flakes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the seller's custom generate the barcode so they scan

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perfectly at major retail chains. The sheer effort to reward

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ratio there seems entirely backwards, but apparently the volume of

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sales makes it viable.

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Speaker 2: It highlights the accessibility of the technology. You don't have

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to be an international drug cartel to utilize onion routing.

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Petty scammers use it to hide their tracks just as effectively. True,

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but as we move up the chain of complexity, we

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see the services pivoting from financial fraud to the fabrication

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of professional history. The market for fake degrees has evolved significantly.

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Speaker 1: You aren't just buying a photoshopped piece of paper from

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a diploma milanie.

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Speaker 2: More exactly the opposite. The dark web vendors have revert

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engineer the corporate verification process. They are offering completely fabricated,

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highly sophisticated ivy leat transcripts. Wow, these aren't designed to

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be hung on a wall. They are specifically engineered with

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fake administrative portals and spoof verification phone numbers designed to

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pass the rigorous third party background checks utilized by Fortune

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five hundred companies.

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Speaker 1: So you are essentially purchasing a bulletproof verifiable past to

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infiltrate high level corporate infrastructure that implies a level of

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systemic vulnerability that is genuinely unsettling. But if you think

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the digital goods are wild, the physical items that are

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successfully shipped through international postal systems directly to people's doors

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are next level. Let's examine the market for advanced disguised technology.

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Speaker 2: This represents a fascinating intersection where digital marketplaces directly upgrade

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the capabilities of physical analog criminals. Historically, bank robbers or

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individuals attempting to evade physical surveillance relied on crude methods sunglasses,

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cheap halloween masks, heavy clothing, but the dark web has

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democratized access to Hollywood level special effects.

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Speaker 1: The sources detail the sale of ultra realistic, highly advanced

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silicone masks. These aren't novelty items. They're engineered to fit

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flush against the user's face, moving naturally with their jaw

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and facial muscles. The skin tones and texturing are so

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remarkably precise that a criminal can effectively change their apparent

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age or race entirely. A bank robber can walk into

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a vault appearing as an elderly individual of a different ethnicity,

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walk out, peel the mask off in an alley, and

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completely negate every physical description provided to the police.

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Speaker 2: They are incredibly effective.

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Speaker 1: They are so effective at bypassing modern facial recognition software

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that several local jurisdictions have attempted to outlaw the possession

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of them, which predictably just drives the demand entirely onto

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these hidden markets.

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Speaker 2: And beyond physical disguise, there is the distribution of infant

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structural sabotage tools. There was a specific device tracked by

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investigators that originated on a Chinese dark web marketplace right.

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It was initially marketed simply as a cheat code device,

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a tool designed to add credits to electronic slot machines

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by manipulating their internal circuitry.

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Speaker 1: Which is illegal but still just casino fraud. But the

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technical analysis of the device revealed it was something much.

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Speaker 2: More destructive, far more. It was, in actuality, a highly

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portable miniaturized EMP generator, an electromagnetic pulse generator.

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Speaker 1: That is insane.

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Speaker 2: The implications of that leap are staggering. You were taking

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a device intended for localized fraud and discovering that it

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possesses the raw power to completely fry the localized circuitry

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of ATMs. If scaled or placed in the wrong hands,

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the underlying technology could be weaponized to permanently damage critical

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city infrastructure, disrupt emergency communication relays, or severely sabotaged local

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power grids. The distance between a petty gambling sheet a

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viable tool for demas terrorism is alarmingly short when the

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distribution network is completely unregulated.

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Speaker 1: And we cannot ignore the illegal wildlife trade. One of

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the reports framed it as the tiger king phenomenon gone

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entirely rogue.

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Speaker 2: This is such a good description.

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Speaker 1: The demand for exotic and endangered animals is massive, and

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since at least twenty fifteen, investigators have documented active dark

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weblistings facilitating this. We are talking about the sale of

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live baby gorillas, crocodiles, and big cats. And when they

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aren't shipping the live animals, they are dealing in the

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highly regulated parts like bear paws, African ivory, rhino horns.

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Speaker 2: The logistics of that specific trade are baffling.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering the exact same thing. How do you

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ship a baby gorilla anonymously?

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Speaker 2: You can't put a live primate in a standard FedEx box.

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It requires a massive, corrupted logistical supply chain. It implies

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that these anonymous dark web brokers have physical, real world

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networks of bribe customs, officials, corrupted shipping yard inspectors, and

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specialized climate control transportservices.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The dark web merely acts as the secure communication and

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financial clearinghouse. The physical crime requires a vast, coordinated network

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operating in the sunlight.

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Speaker 1: That raises a very logical question that we see debated

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online constantly. If this hidden world is so expansive, and

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it's easily accessible simply by downloading a specific browser, why

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shouldn't you, the average curious person, just take a look,

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just to see if it's real.

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Speaker 2: That brings us to the psychological and legal mind field

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of the dark web tourist. The instinct for curiosity is natural,

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but the environment is actively hostile to the unprepared.

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Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time combing through firsthand testimonies

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from Reddit and quorra. These were individuals who, out of sheer,

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boredom or curiosity, downloaded tour and decided to go poking around,

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and the trauma of accidental discovery is profound.

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Speaker 2: The psychological toll is something that the average person vastly underestimates.

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The surface Internet has conditioned us to expect guardrails. We

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expect algorithms to filter out the most regi's content, we

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expect terms of service to protect us. The dark web

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has zero guardrails.

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Speaker 1: One Quarry user wrote a lengthy post detailing how they

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browsed various dot Onion links for about six months without incident,

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mostly just looking at weird hacker forums, but then a

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single misclick fundamentally altered their mental state. A single click, yeah,

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they stumbled across an unindexed video of a human being

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subjected to severe fatal violence. They stated that the psychological

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shock of that single moment made them immediately delete the

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browser and never return. Another user recounted randomly clicking through

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a directory and finding themselves in a forum dedicated to

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human cooking, and.

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Speaker 2: To clarify this wasn't a fictional roleplay form. No.

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Speaker 1: The user described it as a highly detailed, methodical, step

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by step instructional section. It was filled with active users

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calmly discussing the logistics the anatomy and their depraved desires

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to consume human flesh, treating it with the banality of exchanging.

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Speaker 2: Recipes that is horrifying.

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Speaker 1: The user noted they were traumatized for days, unable to sleep,

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just from reading the comment section. The human brain is

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simply not equipped to casually process that level of unfiltered

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graphic depravity.

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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is this is exactly why you do

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not tour the dark web unless you are a researcher

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or a journalist actively searching for a very specific, verified,

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legitimate resource. Aimlessly clicking hyperlinks in an unindexed, unregulated environment

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is the digital equivalent of wandering blindfolded through a minefield. Right,

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you are statistically guaranteed to eventually step on something that

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will inflict the lasting psychological damage. You cannot unsee what

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you stumble into.

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Speaker 1: But I want to pivot because the danger to the

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tourist isn't purely psychological. The legal and digital traps are

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incredibly complex. I think a lot of people operate under

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a fundamentally flawed understanding of cyber law.

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Speaker 2: The disconnect between perceived anonymity and legal reality is where

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thousands of casual users destroy their own lives. There's a pervasive,

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highly dangerous assumption regarding intent versus action. The tourist thinks,

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I'm just observing. I haven't purchased any illicit goods, I

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haven't uploaded any illegal material. Therefore I haven't committed a crime.

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Speaker 1: But the cyber expert cited in the source material completely

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dismantle that assumption.

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Speaker 2: They do because in certain jurisdictions, the courts have determined

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that the act of seeking out and viewing highly illegal material,

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specifically concerning the exploitation of minors, constitutes possession.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: If a user aimlessly clicks a link and their machine

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connects to a server hosting that material, their local cache

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is temporarily downloaded fragments of that data. Law enforcement does

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not care about your curiosity. They do not care that

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you clicked it by accident.

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Speaker 1: Right, The logs don't lie exactly.

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Speaker 2: The technical log shows your IP address pinged an illegal server,

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and that is often enough to secure a warrant and

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sees every electronic device you.

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Speaker 1: Own, and that leads right into the technical vulnerabilities. A

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cybersecurity portal called darkweb news dot outlined exactly how these

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tourists expose themselves without realizing it. A lot of users

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are intimidated by the tour browser, so they try to

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use surface web portals like Torto Web, which acts as

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a bridge. It allows you to view dot onion sites

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on a regular Chrome browser.

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Speaker 2: Which completely strips away the Onion routing encryption. It completely

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defeats the purpose of the network, leaving your home IP

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address entirely visible to whoever is hosting the illicit site exactly.

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Speaker 1: But even if they use the proper tour browser, they

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often failed to disable browserscripts. JavaScript is deeply embedded in

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almost every modern website. It's what makes animations work and

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pages load dynamically. But on the dark Web, JavaScript is

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a massive vulnerability.

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Speaker 2: Let's explain why that is. Mechanically, if you leave your

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scripts enabled, a malicious site owner can embed a tiny

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piece of code into the web page. When your browser

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loads the page, that script essentially bypasses the tour encryption,

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executes a command on your local machine and forces your

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computer to quietly ping its real underlying IP address back

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to the server.

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Speaker 1: That is sneaky.

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Speaker 2: You think you are cloaked in layers of encryption, but

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your own browser has just handed your home address to

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a hacker.

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Speaker 1: And waiting right behind those technical traps is the reality

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of modern law enforcement. The persistent myss that the dark

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web is invisible to the police is mathematically false. They

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are already inside the house.

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Speaker 2: They're deeply embedded in the infrastructure. We have to look

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at the tactics they employ. Because they cannot easily break

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the encryption of the network itself, they attack the human element.

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They utilize honeypots.

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Speaker 1: Motherboard publish an incredible deep dive back in twenty sixteen

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detailing these operations. The FBI doesn't just monitor forums. They

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actively seize illicit marketplaces and then quietly keep them running

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for weeks yep. In one major operation, the FBI seesed

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a dark website dedicated to illegal imagery. Instead of immediately

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shutting it down, they deployed a network investigative technique, essentially

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government sanctioned malware. Anyone who visited the site and clicked

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a specific link unwittingly triggered a script that broadcasts their

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real IP address directly to an FBI server in Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: They harvested over a thousand US based IP addresses in

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a matter of days, leading to massive synchronized raids, and

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your poll is just as aggressive. They generate over three thousand,

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two hundred individual cases from a single synchronized sweep.

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Speaker 2: The level of international cooperation required for this is staggering.

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You have dedicated cyber task forces in the US, UK, Germany,

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and the Netherlands continuously sharing intelligence, mapping out these networks,

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and coordinating physical raids across multiple jurisdictions simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: The reports provided wild examples of everyday people getting caught

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in these drag nets, completely underestimating the sophistication of the police.

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Indian media covered a case where the Mumbai Anti Narcotic

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Cell tracked down and arrested a group of teenagers who

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thought they were untraceable because they ordered LSD.

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Speaker 2: Using tor unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: In the UK, there was a massive bust at Manchester University.

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A group of students who were ironically studying pharmacology and

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computer science decided to start their own dark web narcotics, ring.

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Speaker 2: The arrogance of youth meeting the reality of federal policing.

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Speaker 1: The Guardian noted they literally texted each other, comparing themselves

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to Walter White from Breaking Bad. They were incredibly sophisticated

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digitally using encrypted messaging and tumbling their bitcoin, but they

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were caught because the physical logistics of mailing thousands of

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packages eventually created a real world paper trail, the physical

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draw points exactly. The authorities simply watched the physical drop points.

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In another case, a British doctor was sentenced to four

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years in prison just for casually buying recreational drugs online.

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Speaker 2: The legal precedent established in the UK regarding this is

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particularly severe. Police have issued stark public warnings to deter tourists.

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They emphasized that purchasing contraband online carries a fundamentally different

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legal weight than buying it on.

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Speaker 1: The street because it triggers international law.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, if you buy an illicit substance from a dealer

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in an alleyway, you are charged with possession. But if

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you log onto a dark web marketplace and order that

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exact same substance from a vendor located in the Netherlands

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and it is shipped through the mail, you are no

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longer just possessing a substance.

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Speaker 1: You are an importer.

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Speaker 2: You have legally classified yourself as an international importer of contraband.

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You have engaged in federal smuggling. The mandatory minimum sentences

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for international trafficking are exponentially heavier than localized possession.

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Speaker 1: Which makes the entire mystery box phenomenon even more insane.

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Let's talk about this because for a solid year this

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was a massive viral trend on surface level platforms like YouTube.

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Speaker 2: It perfectly encapsulates the commodification of danger for social media.

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Speaker 1: Cloud content creators were logging onto the dark web, paying

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exorbitant amounts of money in bitcoin, sometimes hundreds or thousands

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of dollars, to anonymous vendors, and ordering a mystery box

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to be shipped to their home address. The entire premise

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was to film themselves opening this unvetted anonymous package on

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camera for views.

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Speaker 2: Is effectively playing Russian Roulette with the International Postal Service.

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Speaker 1: The unboxing videos were completely unhinged. Now, a lot of

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the time the creators just got scammed. They'd pay three

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hundred dollars and receive an empty cardboard box or a

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box containing a cheap My Little Pony backpack.

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Speaker 2: They're just out the money, right.

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Speaker 1: But the instances where the vendors actually tried to deliver

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an experience were deeply unsettling. One creator opened a box

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to find a rusted screwdriver and a knife covered in

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a dried, dark substance that appeared to be blood. Another

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received a heavily taped ziploc bag stuffed entirely with human hair.

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Speaker 2: The psychological warfare aspect of these packages is the real product.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely the creepiest example documented was a box that arrived

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containing a small bag of unidentified white powder emblazoned with

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a biohazard sticker, alongside a burnt CD. Oh no yeah.

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The creator put the CD into a drive and the

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audio was just three minutes of dead silence, followed by

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the sound of someone slowly laughing and a synthesized voice

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with brink, I see you.

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Speaker 2: This forces us to critically analyze the demographics operating these

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specific novelty markets. When a content creator receives a box

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with a bloody knife or a threatening audio file, the

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immediate assumption is that they have drawn the attention of

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a terrifying, high level criminal syndicate. They assume a cartel

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is attempting to intimidate them, But.

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Speaker 1: The reality is likely much less cinematic, though arguably just

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as weird.

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Speaker 2: Right as the demographic data points out, a massive contingent

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of dark web users aren't hardened criminals. They are highly

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tech savvy, deeply cynical gen z internet users who prioritize privacy,

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possess disposable cryptocurrency, and have a profound understanding of Internet.

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Speaker 1: Culture that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: It is highly probable that The vast majority of these

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horrifying mystery boxes are not threats from Cartel's but elaborate,

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meticulously crafted pranks. They are designed by Internet trolls who

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understand and exactly what a YouTuber needs to make a

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viral video. They are supplying the prop for the.

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Speaker 1: Performance art, but the fear is real.

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Speaker 2: The fundamental problem, however, is that the recipient can never

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be entirely certain. You can assume the white powder is

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just flower and the threat is a prank, But because

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the cender is mathematically untraceable, a lingering fraction of doubt remains.

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Is it a troll or did you just give your

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home address to a genuine psychopath.

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Speaker 1: It's the uncertainty that generates the terror. But moving away

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from the pranksters and the tourists, we need to examine

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the apex predators of this ecosystem. Let's look at the hackers,

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the whistleblowers, and how actual cyber wars are fought in

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the dark. Because the hackers operating here have refined extortion

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into a terrifyingly efficient, automated business model through ransomware.

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Speaker 2: Ransomware has fundamentally altered the landscape of global cybersecurity It

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is arguably the most disruptive asymmetric weapon available to non

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state actors today.

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Speaker 1: Let's break down the economics of it, because the dark

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web is central to how it functions. Hackers write a

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malicious payload a virus, they use the dark web to

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anonymously distribute it, often selling it as ransomware as a

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service to less skilled criminals who deploy it via phishing emails.

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Once a target clicks the link, the virus infiltrates their

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local network and instantly encrypts every single file, database and

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backup it can reach. The victim is entirely locked out

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of their own digital infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: And then the extortion begins. A prompt appears, demanding a

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ransom payment exclusively in cryptocurrency in exchange for the decryption key.

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The dark web facilitates the anonymity of the transaction, allowing

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the hacker to receive the funds without exposing a traditional

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bank account.

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Speaker 1: The scale of these attacks is genuinely mind boggling. The

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sources highlight the May twenty seventeen WannaCry cyber attack. This

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single piece of ransomware spread globally with terrifying speed, infecting

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over two hundred and thirty thousand computers across more than

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one hundred and fifty countries in a matter of hours.

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Speaker 2: It was massive.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just locking up personal laptops. It hit the

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UK's National Health Service, forcing hospitals to divert ambulances because

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they couldn't access patient records. It hit international shipping conglomerates.

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It was an absolute paralyzing crisis, and the twist in

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the narrative is incredible. The spread of the wanacrii virus

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was ultimately halted by a twenty two year old cybersecurity

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researcher and named Marcus Hutchins.

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Speaker 2: The architecture of his solution is fascinating. He discovered a

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hard coded kill switch domain deeply embedded in the malwares code.

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By registering that specific web domain, he inadvertently signaled the

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virus to stop replicating.

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Speaker 1: But the irony is that Hutchins himself had a deeply

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complex past before he became the hero who stopped WannaCry.

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He actually spent his teenage years operating in those exact

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same dark illegal hacking forums, writing banking trojans. He understood

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the architecture of the attack because he was educated in

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the same shadow economy that produced it.

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Speaker 2: It perfectly illustrates the fluid morality the space. The tools

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of destruction and the tools of salvation are forged in

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the exact same furnace. But ransomware isn't always deployed as

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a blunt global instrument. Often is highly targeted corporate data theft,

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relying on calculated economic leverage.

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Speaker 1: The Evite hack in twenty nineteen is a perfect case

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study in that leverage. Evite is a massive, mainstream social

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planning site used for party invitations. A hacker managed to

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breach their internal systems bypassing their security and compromise the

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personal identifiable data of ten million users.

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Speaker 2: Names, emails, passwords, phone numbers exactly.

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Speaker 1: The hacker then contacted Evite and demanded a ransom. Do

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you want to know what the demand was to suppress

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the data of ten million people?

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Speaker 2: It was an incredibly low figure strategically, so.

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Speaker 1: It was just under two thousand dollars in bitcoin. That's

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it to a corporation. The size of Evite. Two thousand

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dollars is a rounding error. It's less than they spend

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on coffee for the office, and that's the psychological trap

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of the hacker. They price the ransom so low that

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it is that sly cheaper and easier for the corporation

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to just quietly pay the extortionist than to hire public

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relations firms, deal with regulatory fines, and face the massive

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brand damage of a public data breach.

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Speaker 2: Its volume over magnitude. If a hacker demands two million dollars,

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the corporation involves the FBI and it becomes a massive

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federal investigation. If the hacker demands two thousand dollars, the

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corporation might just pay it to make the problem vanish.

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It's the dark web equivalent of a protection racket.

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Speaker 1: But Evite didn't pay.

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Speaker 2: No, they didn't. Evite made a principal decision. They refused

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to pay the ransom, arguing that negotiating with hackers only

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funds further attacks. Consequently, the hacker executed the threat, and

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all ten million user records ended up being auctioned off

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on a dark web data broker site.

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Speaker 1: It's a lose loose scenario for the consumer whose data

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is out there. But the dark web isn't exclusively utilized

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for financial extortion. It is a critical, actively utilized tool

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for modern geopolitics and terrorism. During the height of Thisian

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civil war. In the twenty tens, intelligence agencies tracked terror

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groups like ISIS relying heavily on onion routing.

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Speaker 2: The utility for a terra cell is obvious. They utilized

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the network to circulate untraceable funding, distribute highly encrypted propaganda

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that surface level social media companies couldn't take down, and

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actively recruit operatives globally without exposing their server locations to

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military drone strikes.

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Speaker 1: The sources mentioned a specific chilling case regarding a man

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named Ahmed Sarsuur, who was caught actively attempting to utilize

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dark web channels to hire trained snipers for domestic terrorist activities.

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It was a digital command center for physical war, but

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the terrorists quickly discovered that they were not the only

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formidable force operating in the shadows.

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Speaker 2: This led to one of the most fascinating ideological clashes

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in the history of the Internet. Following the horrific November

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twenty fifteen terror attacks in Paris, the Islamic State found

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their dark web infrastructure under a massive, coordinated assault. But

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the attack wasn't launched by an nation state's military cyber command.

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It was a nonym Exactly it was launched by the

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decentralized hacker collective known as Anonymous.

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Speaker 1: The group famous for the Guy Fawkes masks and the

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cryptic YouTube videos. They essentially declared absolute online guerrilla warfare

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against ISIS. Anonymous hackers flooded ISIS communication channels, launched massive

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distributed denial of service attacks to take down their dot

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onion sites and systematically dismantled their digital recruiting hubs. It

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was an unprecedented vigilante campaign, but I think we.

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Speaker 2: Need to push back on the romanticization of that vigil

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ante justice. While disrupting a terror network is objectively beneficial,

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a decentralized collective of Anonymous hackers operating without oversight is

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incredibly dangerous. They operate on crowdsourced intelligence, which means they're

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targeting is only as reliable as the individual member providing

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the data. There are no rules of engagement, and there

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is no accountability when they missed the target.

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Speaker 1: That is a crucial point, and the historical record shows

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they have made some massive disastrous misstep. During the civil

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unrest and protests in Ferguson, Missouri, Anonymous publicly vowed to

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identify the specific police officer involved in the shooting, but

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in their rush to release the information, they utilized flawed

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data and ended up releasing the name and address of

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the completely wrong officer, subjecting an innocent person to massive

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public vitriol and physical danger.

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Speaker 2: They essentially weaponized the mob against an innocent target.

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Speaker 1: Later, in another highly publicized campaign, they promised to expose

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the identities of politicians who were secretly members of the

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Ku Klux Klan. Again, the intelligence was fundamentally flawed. They

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ended up falsely naming several politicians, including individuals who were

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actually members of ethnicities and religions that are actively targeted

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and hated by the Klan.

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Speaker 2: It was an absolute operational failure that destroyed reputations.

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Speaker 1: The chaos of decentralized warfare means the crossfire is entirely unpredictable, which.

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Speaker 2: Perfectly highlights the inherent tension of the dark web. It

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is a tool of profound power, and power is morally agnostic.

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It depends entirely on the hands that wield it. We've

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spent a lot of time discussing the criminal and chaotic elements,

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but to adhere to the breadth of the sources, we

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must dive deeply into what researchers call the noble dark Web.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we are expanding on this because it is

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arguably the most important function of the technology today. The

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dark web is not exclusively a haven for criminals. For

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millions of people around the world, it is a vital

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life saving piece of infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: For journalists, human rights activists, and political dissidents living under

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highly oppressive authoritarian regimes. Regimes where the surface Internet is

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heavily monitored to send as criminalized, and state firewalls block

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access to outside information. The dark web is literally the

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only safe method of communication.

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Speaker 1: The sources detail the specific legitimate infrastructure built to support this.

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Let's look at secure drop. It is an open source,

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encryptied submission system specifically designed to run on the tour network.

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It is utilized by major highly respected news organizations, including

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The Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Guardian.

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Speaker 2: The mechanics of secure drop are brilliant. If a whistleblower

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within a corrupt government or a massive corporation has physical

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evidence of malfeasance, they cannot simply email a journalist Yeah.

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The corporate or state IT department will immediately flag the

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outgoing data log The IP address, and the whistleblower will

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be arrested or fired before the story even breaks.

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Speaker 1: So instead they download tour navigate to the news organizations

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specific secure drop dot onion address, and upload the leaked documents.

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Because the connection is routed through multiple encrypted nodes, the

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news organization receives the documents, but they physically cannot see

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the IP address of the cener. Even if a government

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subpoena is the newspaper and demands the identity of the source,

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the newspaper mathematically cannot comply they do not have the data.

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It enforces absolute cryptographic protection of journalistic.

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Speaker 2: Sources, and beyond secure submissions, major organizations use the dark

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web to ensure their actual publications cannot be erased. Pro Publica,

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a Pulitzer Prize winning nonprofit newsroom dedicated to exposing abuses

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of power, has maintained a permanent mirror site on the

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dark web since twenty sixteen, a mirror.

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Speaker 1: Site being an exact replica of their surface website, just

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hosted on a dot onion domain.

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Speaker 2: Precisely. They do this to ensure that if a hosp

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entity or a government uses legal injunctions or cyber attacks

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to take down their surface website, their archives, investigations and

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data remained permanently accessible and unsensorable on the dark web.

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Speaker 1: And we cannot discuss whistle lowers and the dark web

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without mentioning Wikiliks, founded by Julian Assange. The wikiliks platform

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itself was hosted on the accessible surface web, so the

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public could read the documents, but the vast majority of

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the highly classified, incredibly sensitive military and diplomatic cables assage

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received from sources deep within various global governments were originally

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transmitted to him securely through dark web channels.

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Speaker 2: It is the logistical backbone of modern whistleblowing.

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Speaker 1: It really is. But it's not just niche journalism sites.

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Some of the largest, most mainstream technology companies on the

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planet actively maintain and heavily fund dark web infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: Facebook is the prime example. It sounds entirely counterintuitive. Why

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would a data mining social media giant whose entire business

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model relies on tracking your identity maintain a massive, high

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bandwidth mirror site on the dark web.

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Speaker 1: It comes down to geopolitical access. Facebook, along with countless

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other Western platforms, is completely blocked by authoritarian governments in

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multiple countries. Regimes utilize sophisticated national firewalls often referred to

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as the Great Firewall in certain nations to prevent their

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citizens from accessing unapproved outside information or organizing protests via

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social media.

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Speaker 2: So Facebook set up as specific Facebook Core we dot

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onion address. By using the tour browser, citizens trapped behind

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those national firewalls can connect to randomized entry nodes that

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the government hasn't identified yet encrypt their traffics so the

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state monitors can't see what they are requesting and securely

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bypass the censorship to access the platform.

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Speaker 1: Millions of people rely on this specific mirror just to

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communicate with the outside world.

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Speaker 2: Duc Ducco maintains a mirror to provide untracked search results.

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Reddit maintains mirrors. There is a deeply active news aggregate

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site called Soilent News that is completely user controlled and

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designed specifically to escape corporate media algorithms.

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Speaker 1: And we have to mention the academic pirates because it

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highlights how the technology bypasses corporate monopolies as well as

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state censorship.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, the logistics of academic publishing are notoriously predatory.

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Scientific papers, which are often funded by public tax dollars,

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are locked behind massive outrageously expensive corporate paywalls.

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Speaker 1: A single research paper can cost forty dollars to view.

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Speaker 2: So struggling college students, researchers in developing nations, and independent

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scientists use dark websites and shadow libraries like science Hub

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to completely bypass the paywalls. They download the collective scientific

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knowledge of humanity for free.

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Speaker 1: The sources even note that many scientists actively encourage this,

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directly uploading their own peer reviewed research to these hidden

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domains to ensure the data is accessible to the public,

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regardless of their financial status.

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Speaker 2: It's a profound philosophical debate regarding the ownership of knowledge,

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facilitated entirely by onion routing.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. Let's pivot from the hackers,

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the whistleblowers, and the academic pirates and transition into the

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bizarre true crime stories and the urban legends that have

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been birthed by this technology. We have to The assumed

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anonymity of the dark web creates a psychological phenomenon known

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as the online disinhibition effect. People believe they are invisible,

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and that belief emboldens them to attempt atrocities they would

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never dream of pursuing in the physical world. The case

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of Stephen Aline is genuinely chilling, and it perfectly encapsulates

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this hubris.

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Speaker 2: The online case is a masterclass in digital forensics. It's

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a textbook example of what happens when a relatively average,

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law abiding citizen decides to utilize the dark web to

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solve a personal crisis through violence, fully believing the encryption

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will protect them.

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Speaker 1: To set the scene, in twenty sixteen, Stephen Alwine was

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a forty four year old IT professional living a quiet

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suburban life in Minnesota. He was highly active in his community.

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He was actually a church elder at a very conservative congregation,

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and the dark irony of the case is that one

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of his primary duties as an elder was acting as

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a marriage counselor for troubled couples within the church. But

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behind the facade, his own life was fracturing. He was

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actively using the adultery website Ashley Madison to arrange affairs.

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He wanted to permanently end his marriage to his wife, Amy,

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but in his highly conservative church, divorce was a massive

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social stigma, so his calculated solution was murder.

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Speaker 2: Rather than file for divorce, he turned to the dark web.

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He specifically sought out a website called Basa Mafia, which

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prominently advertised itself as an organized syndicative hitmen for.

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Speaker 1: Hire operating under the digital alias dog Day God. All

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Wine initiated contact with the site administrators. He provided them

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with detailed information about Amy's daily schedule, her location, and

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even suggested how the hit should be carried out. Over

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the course of several weeks, he transferred a substantial amount

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of cryptocurrency, estimated to be somewhere between six thousand and

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twelve thousand dollars in bitcoin to the Base of Mafia

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escro accounts to fund the assassination.

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Speaker 2: But the execution of the contract never occurred. Weeks turned

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into months, and Amy remained entirely unharmed, and the reason

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for the delay is a crucial element of dark web economics.

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Base of Mafia wasn't a syndicate of assassins. No, it

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was a highly elaborate, incredibly lucrative scam.

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Speaker 1: The site was entirely phony. It was run by opportunistic

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hackers who simply preyed on the murderous intent of gullbel people,

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stealing their bitcoin and vanishing and in a wild twist,

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the FBI eventually hacked the servers of the base the

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mafia site, dismantled it, and downloaded the internal chat logs.

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Speaker 2: They discovered all Wines plot.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the FBI agents actually drove to the Allwine residents

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and physically warned Stephen and Amy that an unknown individual

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had attempted to solicit a hit on Amy's life over

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the Internet.

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Speaker 2: From a psychological standpoint, that moment should have been the

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ultimate deterrent. The federal government is standing in your living room,

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explicitly informing you that they are aware of the plot.

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The encryption failed to keep the secret.

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Speaker 1: Any rational person would have completely abandoned the plan, but

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Allwin's hubris was absolute. He was undeterred. According to the

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investigative timeline in the Washington Post, shortly after the FBI visit,

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Allwine legally purchased a nine millimeter handgun, claiming to his

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family that it was for increased security given the mysterious threat.

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But he didn't stop there. He went back onto the

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dark web. Utilizing the exact same alias dog Day God,

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he logged onto a massive general purpose black market called

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dream Market. He sought out a vendor and purchased scopalamine.

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Speaker 2: Scopolamine is an incredibly dangerous substance. It is a powerful

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anti cholinergic alkaloid, often used medically in very tiny doses

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for nausea, but in high doses it completely incapacitates the

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central nervous system, rendering a victim compliant and eventually unconscious.

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Speaker 1: In November twenty sixteen, all Wine executed the plan himself.

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He heavily drugged Amy with the scopolamine he imported via

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the dark web, waited for her to become incapacitated, and

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then shot her in the head in their own bedroom.

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He then attempted a sloppy staging of the crime scene

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to make it appear as though she had taken her

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own life.

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Speaker 2: The physical staging was poor, but it was the digital

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forensics that ultimately destroyed his alibi, and the methodology used

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to catch him is brilliant.

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Speaker 1: The police brought in a highly specialized computer forensic expert

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named Mark Lanterman to examine all of all Wine's electronic devices. Now,

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as we established earlier, bitcoin is saudonymous. It uses massive

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strings of alphanumeric characters for its wallet addresses. Lanterman essentially

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tore apart the unallocated space on all wines wiped hard drives.

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Deep within the deleted data, he discovered a specific thirty

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four digit Bitcoin wallet address.

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Speaker 2: Finding that string of characters is like finding a microscopic

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needle in a digital landfill. Lanterman then took that thirty

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four digit string and cross referenced it against the massive

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database of chat logs and transaction ledgers the FBI had

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seized when they took down the base of Mafia Hitman

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site months prior.

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Speaker 1: It was a mathematically perfect match. The booitcoin address buried

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on the church elder's personal laptop was the exact same

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address used to fund the Dog Day God assassination contract

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on the dark Web. It was the ultimate irrefutable digital

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smoking gun. The physical evidence gunshot residue on his hands

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none on Amy's, perfectly aligned with the digital paper trail.

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Stephen Allwine was convicted and sentenced to life in prison

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without the possibility of parole.

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Speaker 2: The all Wine case demonstrates premeditated, calculated malice, but the

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dark web also tracks individuals whose desires are f are

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more visceral and profoundly.

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Speaker 1: Disturbing, which brings us to the cannibal ad. If the

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all Wayne case was about a man trying to solve

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a problem. The case of Alexander Nathan Barter is about

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a man attempting to actualize a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: This case requires us to peer into the absolute most

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depraved corners of human psychology, and it highlights the necessity

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of proactive federal policing in these spaces.

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Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, Alexander Nathan Barter, a twenty one year

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old man living in Texas, logged onto the dark Web.

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According to the court documents detailed by The Daily Mail,

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he navigated to a specific underground forum and posted a

952
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highly detailed, unimaginably horrific advertisement. He was explicitly seeking a

953
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young adolescent girl. His stated intent was not just assault,

954
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but to murder and subsequently consume the victim. He was

955
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actively looking for a co conspirator to provide the human being.

956
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Speaker 2: The level of disinhibition required to type that request and

957
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post it fully believing that the anonymity of the network

958
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shields you from consequence is to terrifying. But as we

959
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:05,000
discussed regarding the FBI's tactics, the dark Web is heavily patrolled.

960
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,000
Barter did not connect with the willing co conspirator. His

961
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advertisement was intercepted by an undercover federal agent embedded in

962
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the forum.

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Speaker 1: The agent engaged Barter, posing as an incredibly depraved father

964
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who was willing to hand over his own daughter for

965
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the act. They communicated securely, eventually moving the conversation to

966
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encrypted email. The authorities utilized legal subpoenas to compel the

967
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email provider to release the subscriber information and the IP logs,

968
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effectively unmasking Barter's physical location.

969
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Speaker 2: They systematically stripped away his digital anonymity.

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Speaker 1: They set up a physical meeting point. The agent agreed

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to deliver the victim. When Barter arrived outside his home

972
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in Texas, walking toward the rendezvous point, fully expecting to

973
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:50,440
commit this atrocity, the trap was sprung. He was carrying

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a plastic trash bag and a large knife. The authorities

975
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:56,480
arrested him immediately on the street. He was charged with

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criminal solicitation and attempted capital murder.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: It is a sobering realization that individuals harboring desires that

979
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extreme are simply walking the streets quietly, utilizing these hidden

980
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networks to try and turn those desires into reality.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes those extreme desires manifest not in physical violence,

982
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,920
but in the creation of deeply unsettling digital media. The

983
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,840
anonymity of the space breeds its own unique form of

984
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,800
modern folklore and urban legend.

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Speaker 1: The legend of the Sad Satan video game is the

986
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,239
perfect example of this. It was a massive phenomenon in

987
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twenty fifteen, and it perfectly blurs the line between a

988
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genuine digital threat and an elaborate, crowd sourced ghost story.

989
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Speaker 2: Is a fascinating case study and how rumors propagate through

990
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Internet culture when the source material is inherently inaccessible to

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the general public.

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Speaker 1: According to deep dives from gaming historians at Kataku and

993
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:53,079
analysis on TV tropes, Sad Satan was supposedly a bizarre,

994
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,360
semi abstract horror video game that was discovered very deep

995
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,960
on an obscure dot Onion forum. The gameplay footage that

996
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,760
eventually leaked onto the surface web was profoundly disturbing. It

997
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,199
wasn't a traditional game with objectives. It was a chaotic

998
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,840
first person walking simulator, very unsettling visually extremely The visuals

999
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were stark, high contrast black and white, featuring looping, non

1000
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Euclidean hallways, flashing imagery of ghost children, and a deeply

1001
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oppressive atmosphere, but.

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Speaker 2: The audio design was what truly unnerved people. It featured

1003
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,079
heavily distorted backward speech, slowed down musical tracks, and most

1004
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:35,920
disturbingly authentic audio clips from notorious real world figures including

1005
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Charles Manson and the serial killer John Wayne Gacy. Yeah,

1006
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the thematic elements heavily implied narratives of severe systemic child abuse.

1007
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,039
The lore stated that if you played the game long enough,

1008
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the children in the game would actually begin to hunt

1009
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,360
and harm the player character.

1010
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,639
Speaker 1: The lore surrounding its origins is what propelled it to infamy.

1011
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,239
The game was initially popularized by a relatively small YouTube

1012
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,119
channel called Obscure Horror. The owner of the channel claimed

1013
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:05,639
that a random, anonymous subscriber had messaged him a dark

1014
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:08,760
weblink challenging him to download and play whatever was on

1015
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the other end.

1016
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Speaker 2: But the narrative quickly destabilized and the reality of the

1017
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,199
digital files became incredibly messy and highly illegal.

1018
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,039
Speaker 1: The owner of the Obscure Horror corner channel gave an

1019
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,920
interview to Kataku where he admitted that he had to

1020
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,920
abruptly delete his original version of the game. He claims

1021
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,880
the game began generating text files on his desktop containing cryptic,

1022
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,880
threatening messages, and that the underlying code contained a specific

1023
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,920
file that genuinely terrified him. Soon after, independent researchers managed

1024
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to find other versions of the game flating around the

1025
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,880
dark web, and they made a horrific discovery.

1026
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Speaker 2: The game was a trojan horse exactly.

1027
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,199
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a spooky game. The files were actively weaponized.

1028
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:54,639
Some versions of the executable file contained highly illegal, genuine

1029
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:57,840
snuff material and illicit images of miners hidden deep within

1030
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,679
the directory folders. If a user downunloaded the game out

1031
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:04,400
of morbid curiosity, they were unwittingly downloading federal crimes onto

1032
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,079
their hard drive. Other versions contained aggressive malware. If you

1033
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:11,639
executed the game file, it would actively mangle your computer's registry,

1034
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,559
brick the operating system, and completely destroy the machine.

1035
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: Which leads to endless theories regarding the true purpose of

1036
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:21,400
Sad Satan. Was it a genuine piece of outsider art

1037
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:26,199
created by a disturbed mind. Some cybersecurity analysts theorized it

1038
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,920
was an elaborate, highly aggressive police sting operation, a honeypot

1039
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,679
designed to trick people looking for extreme content into downloading

1040
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,360
a file that would flag their IP address to authorities.

1041
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:41,199
Speaker 1: Others speculated it was a psychological filtering tool used by

1042
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,840
an obscure cult for recruitment, leading out anyone who couldn't

1043
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,079
handle the imagery, and some investigative sites suggested that the

1044
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,800
entire thing might have been incredibly elaborate alternate reality game

1045
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:55,519
or simply a cynical viral marketing stunt orchestrated by the

1046
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,199
Obscure Horror Corner Channel to boost their subscriber count, which

1047
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,079
spiraled violent only out of control when actual hackers hijacked

1048
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:02,719
the game files.

1049
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: And the ultimate truth remains elusive because the primary source manished.

1050
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: After publicly admitting that the game contained illegal, highly dangerous files.

1051
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:16,119
The owner of the Obscure Horror Corner Channel completely disappeared

1052
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:19,920
from the Internet. The channel went dead, the original verified

1053
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,480
version of the game was lost, and the entire phenomenon

1054
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:25,960
simply evaporated back into the dark web, leaving behind nothing

1055
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:27,119
but the legend.

1056
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: Which transitions us perfectly into our final section, the darkest Corners.

1057
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,199
Speaker 1: We have to descend to the absolute bottom of the iceberg.

1058
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:36,880
This is where we confront the most pervasive myths of

1059
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,239
the dark Web and compare them against the horrifying reality

1060
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,760
of what investigators have actually verified. Let's start with the

1061
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,559
logistics of hitmen and the trade of human products.

1062
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: As we discussed with the base of mafia case involving

1063
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,480
Stephen Olwine, it is a widely accepted consensus among cybersecurity

1064
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:57,320
researchers that the vast majority of public facing hitman for

1065
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,559
higher websites in the dark web are complete hoax. They

1066
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:03,320
are run by scammers designed to steal bitcoin from desperate,

1067
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:07,480
gullible individuals who have consumed too much crime fiction. However,

1068
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,840
the data requires nuance. We cannot definitively say that contracted

1069
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:12,760
violence never.

1070
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:15,639
Speaker 1: Occurs, right because we looked at a report published by

1071
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:19,920
Fortune magazine citing extensive research from the major highly respected

1072
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:26,079
cybersecurity firm trend Micro. Trend Micro's researchers infiltrated deeper, highly vetted,

1073
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:29,719
invite only circles far beyond the public dot onion links.

1074
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:33,719
Their research indicated that while the flashy public sites are scams,

1075
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:38,440
actual organized contracted violence does occur in the deeper echelons

1076
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,880
they managed to uncover functional pricing structures.

1077
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: The economics of violence are brutally standardized.

1078
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: Trend Micro reported that securing a contract to have an

1079
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,519
average private citizen murdered could cost roughly forty five thousand dollars.

1080
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,440
To execute a hit on a high profile public figure

1081
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,800
or a politician, the price jump to one hundred and

1082
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,239
eighty thousand dollars. They even found itemized priceless for er

1083
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,280
bodily harm, paying a specific sum in bitcoin simply to

1084
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,360
have a target beaten, hospitalized, or permanently crippled.

1085
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:11,039
Speaker 2: The methodological difficulty for researchers, of course, is verification. You

1086
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:14,079
can observe the forum, you can read the pricing tiers,

1087
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,559
and you can even track the escro wallets where the

1088
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:20,679
cryptocurrency is held. But to definitively verify if the hit

1089
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,039
man is authentic or researcher would have to actively fund

1090
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,760
a murder contract and wait to see if a human

1091
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,679
being is actually killed in the real.

1092
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: World, which is a journalistic and legal impossibility without committing

1093
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,920
a massive federal felony. You can't verify the product without

1094
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,119
becoming a murderer. The same verification problem applies to the bizarre,

1095
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,199
highly disturbing claims regarding the sale of human products. There

1096
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:47,960
are massive threads across Reddit debating the authenticity of these sites.

1097
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: The human leather market is a persistent anomaly.

1098
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: We reviewed screenshots of a site with the url humanleather

1099
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,880
dot co dot uk, which existed on the dark web.

1100
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:01,000
The site's copy explicitly calmly claim aims to sell luxury

1101
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:04,960
products handcrafted by master artisans using the finest leather known,

1102
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,199
human leather. They are allegedly sourcing the skin from individuals

1103
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:11,920
who bequeathed their bodies to the company prior to death.

1104
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,719
They were listing items like a bespoke pair of shoes

1105
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,679
for fourteen thousand dollars or a hand crafted wallet for

1106
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:18,440
several thousand.

1107
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:21,159
Speaker 2: Again without purchasing the item and submitting it to a

1108
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:24,559
lab for DNA sequencing, is nearly impossible to separate a

1109
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:28,159
macob scam from a horrifying reality. However, when we move

1110
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:30,960
beyond leather and discuss the organ trade, the reality is

1111
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:33,840
entirely verifiable and globally recognized.

1112
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,519
Speaker 1: Gizmoto published an extensive article breaking down the black market

1113
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:41,119
prices for human organs, and the numbers are staggering. A

1114
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:44,440
pair of human eyeballs goes for roughly one thousand, five

1115
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:47,840
hundred and twenty five dollars. A viable human heart is

1116
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,440
priced around one hundred and nineteen thousand dollars. A hand

1117
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,639
in forearm can go for three hundred and eighty five dollars,

1118
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,760
and the most demanded organ, a healthy kidney, commands an

1119
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,039
astonishing to two two hundred and sixty two thousand dollars.

1120
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:04,599
Speaker 2: We have to analyze the logistics of this. The World

1121
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:08,400
Health Organization has definitively confirmed that thousands of illegal organ

1122
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,320
transplants occur globally every single year. Organizations like Big Think

1123
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,239
point out the grim economics. These organs are almost exclusively harvested,

1124
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:21,719
often coercively or through extreme financial desperation, from individuals in

1125
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,719
the most impoverished regions of the developing world, and they

1126
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,719
are sold to incredibly wealthy buyers in first world nations

1127
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:29,880
who refuse to wait on a transplant list.

1128
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: Let's pause on the mechanics of that for a second.

1129
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,440
How do you facilitate that you can't ship a human

1130
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,079
heart through FedEx It requires surgical extraction, highly controlled, refrigerated transport,

1131
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,800
and immediate implantation.

1132
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: Exactly the physical logistics require a massive corrupt network of

1133
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,559
real world doctors, clinics, and couriers. The dark web does

1134
01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:52,760
not transport the kidney. But given that this highly lucrative,

1135
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,360
highly illegal global market absolutely exists in the physical world.

1136
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,400
It is entirely logical and structurally conceivable that inner national

1137
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,880
organ brokers utilize the encrypted, untraceable channels of the dark

1138
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,760
Web to securely communicate, arrange the logistics, and launder the

1139
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,719
massive sums of cryptocurrency required to fund the operations.

1140
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,119
Speaker 1: But then we reach the absolute apex of dark web mythology,

1141
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:18,000
the most pervasive, terrifying rumor of all, the Red Room.

1142
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:20,719
Speaker 2: The Red Room is the ultimate modern urban legend. It

1143
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,960
is the digital equivalent of a ghost story told around

1144
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,239
a campfire, scaled up for the Internet age.

1145
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,679
Speaker 1: For those unfamiliar, the concept of a red room is

1146
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,280
essentially an interactive pay per view livestream broadcast over the

1147
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,199
Tour network. The legend claims that incredibly wealthy users pay

1148
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,599
exorbitant amounts of bitcoin to log into a hidden site

1149
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,920
where they watch a live video feed of a human

1150
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,119
being subjected to horrific torture and eventual murder. The core

1151
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:48,360
element of the myth is the interactivity. The viewers allegedly

1152
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,039
use a chat box to actively dictate the methods of

1153
01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:53,000
torture to the executioner on screen.

1154
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: It is the plot of one hundred modern horror movies

1155
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,960
and thrillers. But when we apply critical analysis and technological

1156
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,320
reality to the miss, it completely falls apart.

1157
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,079
Speaker 1: The investigative consensus is absolute. According to highly experienced cyberjournalists

1158
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:11,199
like Eileen Ormsby and extensive multi year reports from The

1159
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:14,800
Washington Post, there is absolutely zero credible evidence that interactive

1160
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,519
red rooms exist none.

1161
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: The FBI, EUROPUL and international intelligence agencies conduct massive, sweeping,

1162
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:26,119
highly sophisticated raids on the dark Web constantly. They have

1163
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:30,320
dismantled the largest cartels, seized the most secure servers, and

1164
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,320
arrested the most advanced hackers on the planet. And in

1165
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:37,400
all those operations, they have never ever busted a live

1166
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:38,239
streaming red room.

1167
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: The Washington Post explicitly noted that the only proof people

1168
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,920
ever provide are second, third, and fourth hand stories traded

1169
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,639
anonymously on message boards like four Chan and Reddit. Someone

1170
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:51,400
always claims their friend's cousins saw one, but no one

1171
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:52,360
ever has the raw.

1172
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: Data, and from a purely technical standpoint, the infrastructure of

1173
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,960
the tour network makes it virtually impossible. We discussed onion

1174
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:03,599
routing earlierzing data through multiple randomized volunteer nodes across the globe.

1175
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,000
That process is incredibly secure, but is also incredibly slow.

1176
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:10,840
The bandwidth and latency limitations of TOR are severe.

1177
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: Trying to load a simple static image on tour can

1178
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,039
take thirty seconds.

1179
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 2: Precisely maintaining a high definition, completely uninterrupted live video stream

1180
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,800
while simultaneously hosting a real time interactive chat relay for

1181
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,719
hundreds of viewers, all while perfectly hiding the server locations

1182
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,960
of both the broadcaster and the audience through layers of encryption.

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The technology simply cannot support that level of sustained bandwidth

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without the connection timing out or the server being immediately

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identified by traffic.

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Speaker 1: Analysis, and the space is absolutely flooded with hoaxes trying

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to capitalize on the legend. Motherboard reported on a massive,

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highly publicized incident back in twenty fifteen. A dark website

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popped up featuring a countdown clock, promising the first verifiable

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live torture stream. The site owner built up incredible morbid

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hype across Reddit, four Chan, and surface web forums. They

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even left a cheeky cryptic message hidden in the site's code,

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promising viewers that there would be bacon. The anticipation was

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immense When the countdown hit zero, thousands of people tuned in,

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and the stream was just a looped video of a

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random guy being forcefully fed strips of bacon. It was

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a massive elaboratetroll designed to mock the gullibility of the Internet.

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But the legend of the red Room is so sticky,

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so deeply ingrained in our collective anxiety about technology, that

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it has become a permanent pop culture staple. Ed Pisker,

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the acclaimed Indye cartoonist, even writes a highly successful ongoing

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comic book series literally titled Red Room, exploring the exact

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parameters of the urban legend. We love to scare ourselves

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with the idea of it.

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Speaker 2: However, we must draw a very stark, very grim line here.

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While the interactive livestream murder of a red Room may

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be a technical impossibility and a myth, the distribution of recorded,

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highly organized horrific abuse is very real, very prevalent nightmare.

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And this is the hardest devastating aspect to the dark

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webbed analyze.

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Speaker 1: We have to issue a very strong warning to the

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listener here because the reality of hurtcore is the absolute darkest,

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most vile material we have encountered. In the source documentation.

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Speaker 2: Hertcore is the clinical term used by investigators for media

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focused entirely exclusively on the infliction of profound physical pain

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and suffering perpetrated against both animals and humans.

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Speaker 1: Motherboard published a harrowing, deeply disturbing investigation into organized animal

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abuse forums on the dark Web. They specifically infiltrated a

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site known as the cruel Onion Wiki. It was not

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a hoax, It was a highly active community. Users systematically

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posted high definition images and videos of animals, dogs, cats, monkeys,

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turtles being methodically crushed, tortured, and killed. The abusers often

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framed the violence in a highly sexualized, fetishistic manner. An

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editor at Motherboard, as part of their journalistic diligence, was

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forced to watch several of the videos to verify their authenticity,

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and they reported being completely fundamentally horrified by the casual

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cruelty of the community, and.

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Speaker 2: That level of organized cruelty inevitably escalates to human targets.

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While organizations like Snopes have largely debunked the widespread existence

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of commercial snuff films movies produced specifically for broad commercial

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profit featuring an actual murder, this systemic recorded abuse of

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Children is the most horrifying verified reality of the dark web.

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The sources outline the specific landmark case of an Australian

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man named Peter Scully. It is widely considered by law

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enforcement to be one of the most tragic, purely evil

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cases ever prosecuted in the digital age. Scully fled Australia

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and set up an operation in the Philippines. He operated

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a highly secure dark web enterprise that he named No

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Limits Fund. He produced a specific infamous video known in

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underground circles as Daisy's Destruction. In this video, Scully, in

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a massed accomplice, inflicted unspeakable, agonizing torture and sexual abuse

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on an actual living baby girl.

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Speaker 1: He stripped away every ounce of humanity and treated profound

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human suffering as a premium excres of digital commodity. He

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literally charged users on the dark web ten thousand dollars

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in cryptocurrency just to access and watch this recorded atrocity.

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He built a business model on the absolute worst impulses

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of humanity. Thankfully, miraculously, the specific child in the video

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survived and was eventually rescued, but during the investigation police

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found unidentified human remains buried on one of Scully's properties

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in the Philippines. He was eventually trapped down, caught, and

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he is currently serving a life sentence in a Philippine prison,

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facing a litany of further charges for murder, human trafficking,

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and torture.

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Speaker 2: This a specific case, and the existence of hurtcore in general,

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explains the allocation of federal resources. This is exactly why

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international intelligence agencies and law enforcement dedicate their most advanced

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cyber divisions, their best cryptographers, and their largest budgets to

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infiltrating the dark web. It is easy for the public

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to get lost in the sensationalism of anonymous hackers, fake hitmen,

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or teenagers buying recreational drugs uggs. But at its absolute core,

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the darkest extremes of human depravity, the things that cannot

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exist in the light, find a home in the encrypted shadows.

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The authorities aren't tearing apart tour nodes just to catch

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a college student buying MDMA. They are actively hunting the

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monsters who use the mathematics of anonymity to prey on

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the most vulnerable members of society.

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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean. We have journeyed through

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the entire architecture of the hidden Internet today. We started

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with the foundational mechanics of onion routing and cryptographic tumblers.

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We explored a multi billion dollar black market economy that

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commodifies everything from stolen Netflix passwords to illegal wildlife and

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advanced EMP generators.

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Speaker 2: We looked at the vital life saving havens constructed for

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international whistleblowers and dissidents fading censorship.

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Speaker 1: And we waded into the absolute horrifying realities of cyber extortion, ransomware,

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and the depravity of her core the sheer scope. The

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volume of the shadow economy is staggering, and what is

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perhaps most surprising to me after reading all the sources,

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is how quietly mainstream the underlying technology is becoming. The

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reports estimate that up to thirty percent of Americans have

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utilized the dark web at some point in.

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Speaker 2: Their lives, which is a huge number.

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Speaker 1: Whether that was a teenager buying a creepy mystery box

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for a YouTube prank, a journalist securing an unbiased news source,

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or an individual delving into the illicit markets, it is

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not a fringe g aenomally, it is a parallel digital society.

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Speaker 2: It leaves us with a profound, highly uncomfortable paradox to consider.

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As we move further into the digital age, As our

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everyday service level Internet becomes increasingly corporatized, heavily monitored and

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ruthlessly tracked by data brokers, algorithmic surveillance, and government mandates,

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the innate human desire for anonymity is only going to

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grow stronger. It raises an incredibly important question for the future.

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Will the average, completely law abiding citizen eventually feel structurally

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pushed into utilizing the dark web simply to maintain their

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basic human right to privacy? It's true, unmonitored privacy rapidly

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becoming a luxury that can only be found by hiding

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in the exact same shadows utilized by the world's most

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dangerous criminals.

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Speaker 1: That is a chilling thought, and it perfectly encapsulates the

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duality of the technology. It's exactly what we want to

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leave you with today. We want to hear directly from you.

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You have heard the evidence, the mechanical realities, and the

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horrifying extremes. Do you think the existence of the dark

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web is a necessary evil, a structurally required sanctuary for

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the sake of free speech. Journalists and whistleblowers living under

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tyranny Or does the sheer volume of unchecked, highly organized

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criminal activity mean that this technology should be eradicated completely,

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no matter the cost to our personal privacy. Let us

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know what your stand is. Please leave a comment and

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tell us what you think.

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Speaker 2: It's a heavy question, it really is.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, keep exploring the hidden layers on thrilling threads.