WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:05.000 There we go. What's up everyone, Welcome to another episode 2 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:09.919 of Adventures in DevOps Warren. Thanks for joining me again. 3 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:12.599 Yeah, you know, I think you don't need to thank me. 4 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:15.480 Every time I decided to show up, I always said 5 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:16.920 that we were going to have like a maybe a 6 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:18.960 cool fact at the beginning of every episode, and I 7 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:21.039 try to come up with one, although I do believe 8 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:25.280 last time Jillian committed to bringing the fact and I don't. 9 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:28.039 Maybe it's a coincidence that she's just not here today, 10 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:31.519 so I will have to step in and share something. 11 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:35.079 I forgot the pin for my backup phone. 12 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:37.759 And I didn't remember how many digits it was and 13 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:39.960 on Android, apparently you can keep going forever. 14 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:42.359 So I was on one hundred and fifty attempts. 15 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:45.880 I would try to guess for this PINNs and it 16 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:48.759 wasn't like, no, I don't care about factory resetting it, 17 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:50.679 but you know, I just wanted to see, like can 18 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.079 I get it? And actually one hundred and fifty one 19 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.520 I finally got it. I had up the pin size. 20 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:59.880 To twelve digits and like that was like a real 21 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:00.600 for me. 22 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:02.439 So you know, if you forget your Android, Penn, just 23 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:05.079 keep trying there's there's no there's no time. I mean, 24 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.799 there's a thirty second time out for up per attempt, 25 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:09.120 but other than that, you just keep going. 26 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:13.879 So is that like manual brute force attack? Is that 27 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:15.640 the category this would fall into? 28 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:18.159 Right on? 29 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.079 Cool, I'm excited about today's episode. Joining us today, we 30 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:29.079 have Matt Lee from Schematical and from cloud wargames dot com. 31 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:33.439 Looking at your background here, Matt, co founder of drawn 32 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.159 by dot ai, author of ship or Get Off Thepot 33 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:43.359 dot com, and then gymnastics coach for eighteen years and 34 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:48.200 out of Madison, Wisconsin. Welcome Matt, Thanks thanks for having me. 35 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:53.120 Yeah, the shipper dot com I'm not doing anymore, but 36 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.200 uh the I actually did write a book on coaching 37 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:59.840 gymnastics called Hacking Here Strategies how to help high performing 38 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:01.359 police through mental issues. 39 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:03.879 So fun fays right on. 40 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:08.520 My youngest son did gymnastics from I think from when 41 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.800 he was about ten all the way up until his 42 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.479 senior year and high school and his senior year. I 43 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:17.479 mean you're probably well aware of this, Like the number 44 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:24.520 of collegiate positions for men gymnastics is very, very small, 45 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:27.319 and so he knew that that wasn't going to get 46 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.719 him anywhere, and he wanted to participate in some kind 47 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:36.840 of activity at school because for his entire education, he 48 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:39.520 would get out of school, his mom would be waiting 49 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:41.319 in the parking lot and she would drive him an 50 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.879 hour to the gymnastics facility and he would work out 51 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:47.680 for four hours, doing his homework in the car, and 52 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:50.599 that was his life growing up. So his senior year 53 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.240 he wanted to do something that was school related and 54 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.639 that was the end of his gymnastics career. But it's 55 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:00.479 a commitment and there's so much mental to itbsolutely. 56 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.120 Yeah, it's not an on count of a story unfortunately, 57 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:05.599 men gymnastics it's just. 58 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.319 Not doing as well these days. Too many competitors this 59 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:09.479 sport are cooler in. 60 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.199 Other things, right for sure. Yeah, And I think the 61 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:17.719 commitment to it just kind of kind of just like 62 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:21.039 self filters, you know, so that when you do get 63 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.800 to those people that are there, you've got some very 64 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:25.520 committed individuals. 65 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:26.800 Yeah you don't. 66 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:30.639 You played football, You play soccer. No one plays gymnastics. 67 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:36.479 Right A point. Cool, So tell us a little bit 68 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:41.919 about actually, first you it looks like you've been in 69 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:44.439 Wisconsin for a long time. Are you Wisconsin native? 70 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.039 Yeah, born and raised, traveled the world that I keep 71 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:51.879 coming back here, and about four years settled down a 72 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:53.759 bout a house out in the countryside a little north 73 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.199 of Madison, and. 74 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:59.599 And love right on Madison is fantastic. I lived there 75 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:03.000 for two years, and I will say that I love 76 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:08.520 being there in the summer. Only qualifier that. 77 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:10.639 Summer and fall. Yeah, you would get this time of 78 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.560 year or not not as nice. 79 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:14.719 What's your current temperature today? 80 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.720 Oh, it's actually really nice. I was outside earlier with 81 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:19.439 the dogs out, and. 82 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.600 I do some jumping jacks to wake up myself pretty 83 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:24.800 for the podcast and be around ten degrees. 84 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:28.160 So it's actually very pleasant compared to Yeah, funny we 85 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:29.680 were close to a week ago. 86 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:30.959 Yeah, that's balmy. 87 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:34.120 Right. 88 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:39.439 So Cloud I'm gonna mess up with the name. Dammit, 89 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:42.519 sorry about that. Cloud wargames dot Com tell us a 90 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:43.279 little bit about that. 91 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:45.720 Don't feel bad about messing up the games. I keep 92 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:49.879 calling it cloud watch games because the cloudwashed all day 93 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:52.759 long if you had signers on web services and uh, 94 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:56.160 you know with cloud war games. Yeah, so this goes 95 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.759 back a little bit, if you don't mind me going back. 96 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:00.800 I had a team I was running. 97 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.240 I think I had like eleven people on staff, and 98 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:06.399 I needed to come up with the training idea of. 99 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:08.560 Project for that. So I've come up with a couple of. 100 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.439 Different games over the years and different tools to help 101 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.240 out my devs. And so one of them was the 102 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.079 predecessor to cloud board games, which is where I would 103 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:24.000 take awayboard and draw network mathlets like you know, and 104 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:26.759 so I would I would do with this Dungeons and Dragon. 105 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.160 Style game with them, and what. 106 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.839 I did size just straight and down all these different 107 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:35.360 points as I had hundreds of scenarios of things that 108 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.360 had gone horribly wrong over the years that I would 109 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.199 then throw at them, and I'd say something like, yeah, 110 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.399 give them a brief, which would be like all of 111 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:48.079 a sudden, your website's timing out, you know, was that, 112 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.639 and they'd have to walk through and tell me how 113 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.040 they wanted to solve it. And so this one, in 114 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.639 this case a security group switch. Somebody removed a security 115 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:00.600 group which is basically a firewall rule from one of 116 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:04.199 the various instances or resources running there and started to 117 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:06.680 time out. So I've got all these other ones incident 118 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:09.000 cannot deploy, and so it's you know, you don't get 119 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:09.680 a lot of information. 120 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.240 A lot of times when people come to you saying there's. 121 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:14.639 A problem at the time as customer service person saying, 122 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:20.040 our guys, you know, our shopping cart is disappearing randomly 123 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.040 for our e commerce store, like people all of a sudden 124 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:26.360 the shopping cars empty. Uh you know, So using that 125 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.120 and just their wits and and we would just walked 126 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:31.879 through it as if I was a dungeon master, and 127 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.319 it was a pretty good training tool. You could really 128 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:38.279 figure out who was, you know, thinking outside the box, 129 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:41.120 who was like really analytical or who just kind of I. 130 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:43.199 Don't know, you know. It turned to be a great 131 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.600 sales tool as well. You go off the client through this, 132 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:46.800 They're like. 133 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:51.399 That can go wrong, That's like, like that can happen. 134 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.279 You're like, yeah, I can. What would you do? 135 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.360 I don't know. I guess I'd call you all right. 136 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:57.920 So that is how it started. 137 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.040 Then. Uh literally the last Thursday. 138 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.680 I was on a Mastermind group and I was talking 139 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.040 about some goals I got. I was going to launch 140 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:08.639 a community for people to want to learn at US. 141 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:11.360 And I was telling them about my idea for war games, 142 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:14.360 which is where we spin up actual infrastructure, a database 143 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.120 infrastructure because we got infrastructures code. 144 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:17.319 It's not like I have to mangle you. 145 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:21.480 It's like to spin it up and then I basically 146 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:23.879 knock down a part of it, or fill up the database, 147 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:26.920 or remove the security groups, you know something or gid 148 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.079 us attack myself at the front of it. And then 149 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:34.160 people will the participants that hot seat participants, which people 150 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.319 with their cameras on ideally will be sitting there and 151 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:40.839 they'll be like, hey, they'll they'll they they'll try and 152 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:42.920 fix it, you know. And there's a couple of different variables. 153 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.920 I'm gonna I've got a beginner, intermediate, and advance. Like 154 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:47.720 the beginner one maybe they would just talk to me 155 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.560 and I'll fix it on my computer screen. The advanced ones, 156 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:53.639 I'll give them the actual AWUS keys and say here. 157 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.279 You go, go ahead and fix it. 158 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.199 And so there's just a yeah, I'm trying to make 159 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:02.560 it available to all ages. So I'm getting creative with it. 160 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:06.319 But yeah, that was the of oh yeah, it's Friday. 161 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.720 I bought the domain cloudmoregame dot com and then I 162 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.480 set it up and sent out a mailing list to 163 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.959 it by easily underd subscribers, and I had the biggest 164 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.399 reaction I've ever seen. I've got people signing up coming 165 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:17.639 out of the look where I had no idea who 166 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.240 they are, and then I you know, you guys, and 167 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:21.519 then you guys are like you want to be on 168 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.920 so here I am five days later and uh, this 169 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:26.759 is it's going. 170 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:29.480 Well, Well, I'm glad it's going, you know, so quickly 171 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.120 for you, you know, to have a hundred different scenarios 172 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:33.960 that must have taken quite a long time. Like I'm 173 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:35.799 just thinking back throughout my career and like, I don't 174 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:37.639 know if I could come up with like one hundred 175 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.720 things that had gone wrong and have the whole I'm like, 176 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:42.559 for sure more than one hundred things have gone wrong 177 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:44.759 in my career. It's just you know, having remembered them 178 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:46.600 and where I've written them down like that must have 179 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:48.000 taken some effort on your part. 180 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:51.559 I am a compulsive I mean I showed you guys 181 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.639 in the previam I am a compulsive note taker and 182 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.200 journaler and whatnot. 183 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:57.960 I actually had multiple journals. 184 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:59.679 And a journalists side on that journal here, journal there, 185 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:01.919 business notebooks. 186 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:04.120 So I piece it together. 187 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:07.120 And you know, if I'm not if I write it 188 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:10.360 down another scenario, if something goes wrong, I also make 189 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:11.240 a comic about it. 190 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:11.799 Sometimes, so. 191 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:17.279 Right, Yeah, you shared some of your comics with us 192 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:23.159 when we were emailing back and forth. Is that are 193 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:24.559 theose something you publish regularly? 194 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:26.759 I try and do them. 195 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:28.919 I was doing them twice a week, but now that 196 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:32.159 my content schedule has changed, I'm doing more video content 197 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.000 publicly again, I'm probably only. 198 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.600 Going to do once a week. But we'll see. 199 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:39.840 That's still a lot. That's you know, fifty two a year. 200 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:41.639 That's still a lot of content. 201 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:43.080 I'll be honest. 202 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.639 They're not all bangers, but some of them take Yeah, 203 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:48.799 I printed out this was the first one that broke 204 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:49.759 a hundred thousand. 205 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.440 Views on Reddit, soo I was. I was pretty happy 206 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:56.480 about that. This one was a banger too. But don't 207 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:57.919 get the coffee cut yet. I got to work out 208 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:58.919 the details and those. 209 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:05.840 R Do you find that through through your I mean 210 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:09.759 capting journals of all of the different scenarios and what 211 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.279 had happened, what went wrong, and how it was fixed, Like, 212 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:15.600 did that have a beneficial impact for your career? Did 213 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:19.080 you just find that you are able to consume that 214 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.320 information now to make the cloud war games? 215 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:25.919 I mean I had thought and this this idea. I 216 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:27.759 thought about coming back to you for a long time. So 217 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:29.679 I have been keeping a lot of times now. I mean, 218 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:31.679 I will just write a deal to time deal with emailing. 219 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:34.200 Listen if there's something that goes wrong or something I 220 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:35.879 hear about. There's one that I want to really run 221 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.279 a center through the S three ransomware attackers out there. 222 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.759 Right now, I'm gonna I'm gonna attack myself with that 223 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:43.960 and that should be fun. But yeah, I write it 224 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.000 down and and nail it out, you know people. So now, yeah, 225 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:49.840 I guess collecting all that data has been helpful. I 226 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:52.600 mean the last year I've been better. I hired a 227 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.000 business coas and have been better at sharing that information, 228 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.720 you know, before I write it down just because I 229 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.759 pecically take notes. And then now it's like I'm actually 230 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.960 finding and helping other people get up based on Amazon, 231 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.600 you get up there, you know, on things I'm an 232 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.519 expert and I enjoy doing so. Yes, I think it's 233 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:14.840 kind of beneficial impact that I didn't really capitalize on 234 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:16.039 that and self care of that recently. 235 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.559 Yeah, I mean the fact you just mentioned this, like, 236 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.360 I can't believe I haven't been keeping track of every 237 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:23.960 single bug that I run into that as some sort 238 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.080 of you know, owt as it turns out, you know, 239 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.320 and then a story because I feel like there is 240 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:33.600 some novel, interesting thing there that is worth sharing. And 241 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:35.799 now I'm starting to think, like would I give this 242 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.840 advice to even experience senior engineers, Like, oh, you know what, 243 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:43.159 like start keeping a personal journal of these sorts of things. 244 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:45.600 I mean I usually talk about in business context, like 245 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.600 it's great to keep track of what you're doing from 246 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.120 like a brag standpoint, so that you can report on 247 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:54.879 it during your hopefully quarterly performance evaluation. Like you have 248 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:57.759 a list already of everything you've done, and I think 249 00:11:57.759 --> 00:11:59.120 there's a lot to be said there. But I think 250 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.799 there's another level of like the interesting technical challenges that 251 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:05.600 you had to face and how you sort of tackle them, 252 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.720 because like you've already found a new opportunity based off 253 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:11.960 of what you've written down to you know, turn into 254 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:12.480 a business. 255 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:13.559 Yeah. 256 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.360 I mean, it's a good habit to do after action reports, 257 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.559 especially when you're training in a junior or something like that. 258 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.639 You know they make mistake, you know, a fairly expensive mistake. 259 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:22.960 Maybe you know they. 260 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:25.519 Delete something they shouldn't, and then you've got two options. 261 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:27.399 You could slap on the risk and say you know 262 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:29.559 you're in trouble, get it, or you say. 263 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:30.399 What did you learn from this? 264 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.639 We just you know, say I got a client, you know, 265 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:35.399 their website goes down, and say it costs some one 266 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.159 hundred thousand dollars an hour. Junior takes down that website 267 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:39.759 for a while and they can look at it like, 268 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:41.240 oh my god, we've lost all this money. Or you 269 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:44.399 just say, oh, we invested this much into our junior 270 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.799 running important lesson. Let's have them present that in and 271 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:48.679 after action. 272 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:50.440 Report to the whole team. So we've got you know, 273 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:51.480 there's a positive from it. 274 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.919 Here's you're writing the SOPs for the business standard operating 275 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:55.960 tenders for the business. 276 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:57.759 I don't know what not to do. 277 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.799 You know, sm I try and push towards my developers. 278 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.960 No fail forward faster, no where to fail at where 279 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.600 you can make mistage at, you know, fail on stage, 280 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:10.159 nuke staging out of the water and slow down our 281 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:12.799 dev for a day, pretty our identity for a day. 282 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.240 It still costs us less than if you knew production 283 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:16.399 for even a few minutes. 284 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:19.120 You know, So learn where to fail, learn how to fail. 285 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.360 And so this is one of those ranks that you're 286 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:23.440 working out. 287 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:28.759 I want to come back to something. There's been a 288 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.440 couple of things you've said that have stood out to me, 289 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:33.279 and I want to come back to those, even though 290 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.399 they have nothing to do with Cloudwardgames dot Com. You 291 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:41.480 mentioned that you're in a Mastermind and then you also 292 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:43.679 talked about your journaling, and those are two of like 293 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:48.840 the consistent things that like, if you study like high impact, 294 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.840 high performing people, like those two things come up over 295 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.919 and over again. So how did you get into a 296 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:57.679 Mastermind and what does that look like for you? 297 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:04.360 I'm actually in several and we can do a whole 298 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:07.120 other podcasts and consulting side of things, instruction in your business, 299 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.240 which I'm gonna save for another time, but there's one 300 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.960 where I am a group coaching where they do live 301 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:19.080 q and a's and stuff like that aimed at solo consultants, 302 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.159 expertise people who want to put themselves as expert. And 303 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.000 I would never call myself the expert, but I've been 304 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.639 doing this a long time, so that's a good one. 305 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:32.039 I had direct access to the main community guy there. 306 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:35.080 And the other one is the room of around Robin Approach, 307 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.360 where I found that one, I think through another community, 308 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:41.440 a third community where it's actually got very limited interaction, 309 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.320 but they do things and I can give you. 310 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:45.600 As the name of some of the stuff if you 311 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:46.080 want later. 312 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:51.279 But I'm actually starting, I'm hoping to start another Mastermind group, 313 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:53.639 but I kind of deprioritize. 314 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:58.000 That for CTO for Cloud of Organcy. Now I don't 315 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.240 even remember the name of because that's that's got a 316 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:03.320 lot of trash right now. 317 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:06.919 But I would strongly advise that, especially if you're going 318 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:08.480 out there and starting on your own and you're not 319 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.120 part of the big team, you're starting your own consulting, 320 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:12.559 you need. 321 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:13.200 That sounding board. 322 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:17.200 I'm very fortunate to have a informal business partner that 323 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:20.200 we have just we are always bouncing ideas of each other, 324 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.320 because it could be, you know, in the vacuum when 325 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:24.320 you're trying to get clients, it can be you know, 326 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.960 very daunting, seem very dark. 327 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:31.120 Yeah, for sure, I belong to a Mastermind that I've 328 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:36.480 been in for well over ten years now, and it's 329 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:42.440 been it's been the difference in my career because, like 330 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:46.240 our sole purpose in that group is to call each 331 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.879 other out on our bullshit and hold each other accountable 332 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:50.480 and it's made a difference. 333 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:51.559 Yeah. 334 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:54.320 We actually we actually do a full episode dedicated to 335 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:57.120 Will being called out on as bullshit. 336 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.639 I mean, because there's a lot of it. Like those 337 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.080 guys in My Mastermind, they have a full time job 338 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:03.480 calling me out on my bullshit. 339 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:09.399 Yeah. My most valuable people are the people. 340 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.960 That have blunts us with me, you know, willing to 341 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.759 be like stop building developer tools, you're fool. 342 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.720 And giving them away for free. I think that's the 343 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:21.080 important caveat there. 344 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:26.399 Yeah, so for sure. And then on journaling, is that 345 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:27.879 a daily exercise for you? 346 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.840 Yeah? Let the dogs out and then it's pretty much 347 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:32.799 straight to journaling. 348 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.399 And then I've recently been trying to do more journaling 349 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:37.399 in the evening actually. 350 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:38.679 The close of the thought. 351 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:41.159 I have a lot of trouble sleeping, and I wake 352 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.840 up in the night and I'm like, all these things 353 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:46.039 I should do, so right forward to bed. I try 354 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:49.679 and write down anything that's that's open ended here and 355 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.679 on theece of paper, and I got sticky nuts inside 356 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:54.159 of the bed. They're like right up to do to 357 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:56.879 do to do it that way, like okay tomorrow and Matt, 358 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:58.559 we'll get to this. I don't have to be thinking 359 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:02.759 about it. Let's me sleeps. It's a very strong tool 360 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:03.039 for me. 361 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:04.039 Yeah. 362 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:05.960 I think there were a non trivial number of times 363 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.039 where in order to sleep well at night, I had 364 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:12.279 to write up a whole email regarding a situation and 365 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:19.400 then just not send it. That's the important factor there. Yeah, 366 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.880 for sure, when when you're when when you're frustrated, definitely 367 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:23.640 don't click said. 368 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.160 But you know, it's because those those thoughts are. 369 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:28.559 Going around in your head, and it's like I'm constantly 370 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:32.039 focused on whatever that is, whatever problem it is, whether 371 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:34.000 or not I did the right thing in that situation, 372 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.559 and sometimes just I mean I know from a fact 373 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.039 now I have to terminate those threads, whatever the thread 374 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.519 is that I picked up and I started just getting 375 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:43.440 it done, whether it's writing an email. 376 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:45.440 I use like every single kind. 377 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.920 Of scheduling tool available, Like I will delay emails to myself, 378 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:51.839 I will snooze them, I will send myself future emails. 379 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.920 I'll use calendar events, anything to get stuff off of 380 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.480 my radar and into some sort of temporal delay so 381 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.319 that can come back to it later when I like 382 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:02.240 at the right time. 383 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:04.799 Yeah, that's a big one. 384 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.160 I talk about you frustrated and you write that email 385 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.799 when I get frustrated with something or possibly even a 386 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:12.119 Kylie or something like that right under stick, you. 387 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:14.240 Know, and a month later it's a comic. So I 388 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:15.200 just you know, that's how I. 389 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:20.200 Don't send it to them necessarily unless it's funny. 390 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:21.920 Yeah, that's great. 391 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:23.359 Right on. 392 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:28.480 So cloud We'll come back to cloud Board Games. You've 393 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.519 got people signing up for it. Is it like, uh, 394 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:34.960 are you operating it like scheduled head to head matches 395 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:38.039 or is it a single player experience? What's the interface 396 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:38.480 look like? 397 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:42.400 I like to do it with small teams, So I'm 398 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:44.240 thinking right now, we've got four. 399 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:45.000 People in the hot seat. 400 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:47.200 We're going to experiment with our initial match. So that 401 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.200