Speaker 1: Well, ladies, gentlemen, to another episode every Day black Man podcast,
Speaker 1: a podcasts for any black man thoughts. Today we have
Speaker 1: a special guest, Kwame, who will share how he became
Speaker 1: the world record holder for most steps in a month
Speaker 1: April twenty twenty five, unless he's gonna tell us that
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Speaker 1: paw me tell us the people a little bit more
Speaker 1: about everything that you have going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on? Y'all? It's good to be here.
Speaker 3: My name is Kwame.
Speaker 2: I'm from New Orleans, Louisiana, but I grew up in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2: We came back to New Orleans for undergrad and graduate school,
Speaker 2: where I got introduced to pre med and public health
Speaker 2: and ultimately got into what I'm doing right now. It's
Speaker 2: kind of funny to think back now ten years ago
Speaker 2: when I started this journey that I wouldn't say that
Speaker 2: I planned to try and take two million steps in
Speaker 2: thirty days as a part of my agenda. But you know,
Speaker 2: you're not necessarily in control of how things ultimately play out,
Speaker 2: and so that's kind of how I got here. I
Speaker 2: started off grew up in a family of runners. Four
Speaker 2: out of the seven kids in my family, we all
Speaker 2: competed in college in cross country and track and field,
Speaker 2: So endurance sports have always been a part of kind
Speaker 2: of what we do, and in health consciousness has also
Speaker 2: been part of that as well, because my dad there's
Speaker 2: always made sure that we were eating the right foods
Speaker 2: so that we could be properly fueled to perform as
Speaker 2: good as we possibly can.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of like the baseline of it all.
Speaker 3: There's obviously more to the story, but we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: Heylin Qualmi, thank you very much and welcome Stylish Now.
Speaker 1: I know that you said you know you didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: start out when you look back ten years ago, but
Speaker 1: what kind of made you aside or inspired you to
Speaker 1: make this journey to break the world record for steps
Speaker 1: in a month.
Speaker 2: So it was actually inspired by some of my community
Speaker 2: members or the users on our app. So I run
Speaker 2: a health platform. It gives you a health score kind
Speaker 2: of like a credit score for your health, and we
Speaker 2: always do challenges on the app where you know, if
Speaker 2: you take a certain amount of steps in a month,
Speaker 2: you'll be entered in for a chance to win something
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty four, in February twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: we did the Marti Garraos Steps Challenge where or it
Speaker 2: took the most steps in five days during Marty Garos
Speaker 2: one five thousand dollars. So Walkin just became a big
Speaker 2: part of the culture within our community and now we
Speaker 2: have about twenty five hundred users on our app. Last
Speaker 2: year a doctor did one million steps in thirty days
Speaker 2: and he got taken off his blood pressure medication. He
Speaker 2: lost twenty pounds just in thirty days. Fifty four year old,
Speaker 2: regular every day guy. And so this kind of started
Speaker 2: this trend of people doing one million steps in thirty days.
Speaker 2: And so May twenty twenty four he did it. He
Speaker 2: passed the baton to me. In June, another user did
Speaker 2: it in twenty eight days in July and two more
Speaker 2: in August, and another one in October in Puerto Rico,
Speaker 2: and so it just kind of we all just got
Speaker 2: to talking about what we thought. You know, what do
Speaker 2: you think the world record is and do you think
Speaker 2: that any of us can break it?
Speaker 3: And when I'm as I'm.
Speaker 2: Getting ready to prepare for the official launch of our
Speaker 2: app this fall because we've been operating on a beta
Speaker 2: app the past eighteen months, I just wanted to do
Speaker 2: something to garner some attention, and I just wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure.
Speaker 3: It was aligned with the work that we do.
Speaker 2: And uh, it rose the month, So I wasn't sure
Speaker 2: if I could actually do it. You know, obviously someone's
Speaker 2: done until it's possible, but I actually, I guess technically
Speaker 2: no one had done it at that point, but someone
Speaker 2: had had gotten close to two million, So I figured
Speaker 2: figured I have a decent chance considering my background and
Speaker 2: sticking one day at a time. It was hard in
Speaker 2: the first five days. I mean, I was in pain
Speaker 2: every moment of the day because you know, so again
Speaker 2: I run, and so you know, you use different parts
Speaker 2: of your legs when you run compared to when you
Speaker 2: walk in especially if I'm walking thirty five thirty thirty
Speaker 2: five miles a day, sixty seven thousand steps a day,
Speaker 2: just yeah, just new pains. I learned about new parts
Speaker 2: of my body every day because because it was hurting.
Speaker 4: I got a question, how long? Wait?
Speaker 5: Wait, wait, what did you listen to? Like, were you
Speaker 5: listening to music as you did this? Or it was
Speaker 5: just I was I.
Speaker 2: Was mostly working, so I started to run my company. Right,
Speaker 2: so now I'm walking like fourteen hours a day, and
Speaker 2: don't I don't really have time to like take meetings
Speaker 2: in the office.
Speaker 3: So for the most part I was working.
Speaker 2: Now, So like let's say in the morning, I'll wake
Speaker 2: up at five six o'clock, I would go do like
Speaker 2: a four hour walk along the levee in New Orleans
Speaker 2: along the Mississippi River, and you know, basically kind of
Speaker 2: do my checklist or do my to do list with
Speaker 2: my administrative specialists, and then I would start just working
Speaker 2: on tasks, editing content, and then I get back. My
Speaker 2: phone would be dead typically by the time I got back,
Speaker 2: and then I would shower, go to the office, make
Speaker 2: sure everything was good, and then I would go to
Speaker 2: the fitness center here at Zavier University, Louisiana and just
Speaker 2: walk around there for hours, again working close to the
Speaker 2: office so that in case something came up, I was
Speaker 2: able to be there, and then in the evening just
Speaker 2: walk around. It got to point where I really couldn't
Speaker 2: do anything but walk when I was walking, because I
Speaker 2: was just so tired and I was like trying to
Speaker 2: pick up the pace and so so it was harder
Speaker 2: to do work and walk like a seventeen minute you
Speaker 2: average miles. So yeah, for the most part, that was
Speaker 2: it working.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I'm looking at these numbers, sais sixty six thousand,
Speaker 6: sixty six steps per day on average.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 7: That's a lot of states.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of sixties. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I did that once when we were in
Speaker 5: Vegas and we walked up and down the rip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we walked up and down the strip, that
Speaker 1: was the closest I've ever gotten to anything that you're describing. Kwame.
Speaker 1: Did you put on like after burners towards the end
Speaker 1: of the month and get up to like forty miles
Speaker 1: a day, forty five stuff like that?
Speaker 2: I did a few. I did, actually, so a few
Speaker 2: days towards the end, I was doing like seventy nine
Speaker 2: eighty eighty thousand steps a day. My highest was eighty
Speaker 2: seven thousand, so I was about forty one forty two
Speaker 2: mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I was just trying to get my mail earlier.
Speaker 3: He's got my mail earlier. That's a few steps right there.
Speaker 7: I take the off there in the day.
Speaker 6: It's twenty two thousand, just when I was working security.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, it's tough. I mean, people will come and
Speaker 2: walk with me. It definitely. It definitely helped out. But
Speaker 2: we walked for four hours and then you know they'd
Speaker 2: be laid out on the couch like you pretty much
Speaker 2: done that. I'm like, actually, no, I gotta gotta do
Speaker 2: that about two more times today. And you know you
Speaker 2: get twenty thousand steps about in four hours, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: which is obviously way more than the average person's doing
Speaker 2: per day.
Speaker 8: It was I was, you said, that's so casually, like
Speaker 8: you do about twenty thousand steps, Like, I don't know
Speaker 8: how many steps I do.
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, I don't think that many.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did the math.
Speaker 2: Uh, fifteen days in I had done as many steps
Speaker 2: in those two weeks as the average American does in
Speaker 2: a year, and.
Speaker 1: We don't even walk like that's that's crazy. But if
Speaker 1: you are stand and read, want to do all them
Speaker 1: in steps in a day, in a week, y'all go
Speaker 1: on right ahead. You know what y'all need to sign
Speaker 1: up for that. Y'all need to sign up for that app.
Speaker 2: So our beta app is called dakkuld DO. It's d
Speaker 2: A C A d O O. That's our technology partner.
Speaker 2: And after this podcast, you'll be able to use access
Speaker 2: code everyday black man.
Speaker 3: All lowercase all one word. Get into the.
Speaker 2: Platform and then you'll complete The first thing you'll do
Speaker 2: is answer some questions about your height, weight, age, things
Speaker 2: like that, so we can start generating your health or
Speaker 2: and then when you finish creating your account, you'll complete
Speaker 2: the initial health score assessment, which will be about twelve
Speaker 2: questions get related to overall health and wellness. So we
Speaker 2: track over one hundred different metrics across seven categories of health.
Speaker 2: So that's physical health, so blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, things
Speaker 2: like that, nutrition into wellbeing, physical activity, sleep, mindfulness, and
Speaker 2: self control or like substance use or indulgence. So you
Speaker 2: get a score in each category and then you get
Speaker 2: an overall score between zero and one thousand, and it
Speaker 2: changes in real time depending on how you change. Right,
Speaker 2: So if you go on a run or a walk
Speaker 2: one day, score goes up a few points, get three
Speaker 2: hours of sleep, score goes down. And then based on
Speaker 2: those changes, we make recommendations for how you can improve,
Speaker 2: as well as connect people with health care providers, resources
Speaker 2: and experiences and challenges.
Speaker 3: Are you know part of those experiences?
Speaker 2: For sure?
Speaker 3: I think y'all all could do a million steps in
Speaker 3: a month.
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, we'll take that challenge. We will take that
Speaker 1: right here.
Speaker 4: What you mean, wet? Yeah, I'm interested in the app.
Speaker 4: You got Hey, let's don't take the biggest challenge? Yeah,
Speaker 4: we got it.
Speaker 7: No, he got it.
Speaker 2: There were there were six people who did it last
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 3: Last year.
Speaker 2: There's a sixty four year old woman about to do
Speaker 2: it right.
Speaker 3: Now this month on that app.
Speaker 4: Got medicated.
Speaker 3: She's retired.
Speaker 2: But it's that one is about five hours of walk
Speaker 2: in a day, thirty three thousand steps a day. But
Speaker 2: the thing about that challenge is, you know, and again,
Speaker 2: this wasn't something that I expected when we started, but
Speaker 2: it's actually a pretty accessible challenge and it's very transformative.
Speaker 2: Everybody that's done, it has lost at least twenty pounds. Again,
Speaker 2: I don't know where you all are and your health journeys,
Speaker 2: but that's a pretty significant amount of weight in a
Speaker 2: in a healthy in a healthy way in a short
Speaker 2: period of time. And then again he the first guy
Speaker 2: walked off his blood pressure medication, and there are some
Speaker 2: users who have literally walked off their medications, not necessarily
Speaker 2: having after having done a million steps, but just just
Speaker 2: through walking and participating in our challenges on a monthly basis.
Speaker 8: They increasing physical activity compared to what they've norm and living.
Speaker 4: As far as their sedentary life.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's sense.
Speaker 7: Qualm.
Speaker 6: I love what you're doing. The only qualm I aver
Speaker 6: is and that much cardio don't kill?
Speaker 3: Take that are they're going to kill?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Uh? This depends on your goals, right, I don't think
Speaker 2: that you need to do one million steps a month
Speaker 2: to be healthy like that. You don't need that much cardio.
Speaker 2: You're like, you know, be in optimal cardio fitness. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it ultimately just depends on your goals and in balancing
Speaker 2: how much you're eating with how much you're burning wherever
Speaker 2: you know, wherever you're burning it, whether you're burning it
Speaker 2: in the gym or you're burning it pavement.
Speaker 3: I think it just depends. I think.
Speaker 2: Most of us are on the lower end of the
Speaker 2: spectrum as it relates to cardio than we should be,
Speaker 2: whether whether we're in general good fitness or not. And
Speaker 2: so and honestly, the majority of us need to lose
Speaker 2: some weight at some pounds and so yeah, ultimately just
Speaker 2: depends on it depends on your goals.
Speaker 8: I tell you really take this seriously, because I mean,
Speaker 8: not that we don't take things seriously, but we certain
Speaker 8: people here probably call people fat supposts saying they aren't
Speaker 8: where they want to be on their weight loss journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's that's fair. You know, you gotta It
Speaker 2: just depends on, honestly, on the person. Like there was
Speaker 2: somebody that we h that was at our Roun Club
Speaker 2: meet up in DC a couple of weeks ago as
Speaker 2: a part of the Black Health Connect conference, and it
Speaker 2: was like it was like six of us out there
Speaker 2: and we did maybe like a little two mile two
Speaker 2: miles job situation two and a half or so, and
Speaker 2: we would stop kind of like at different different intersections,
Speaker 2: and one of the girls was she was super out
Speaker 2: of breath, man, I mean like about to fall out,
Speaker 2: you know, And she asked, She's like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on. I'm like, honestly, it's not in great
Speaker 2: shape a right, Like, you know, she looked at me,
Speaker 2: and I felt bad because honestly I didn't even it
Speaker 2: was awkward because that's that was just the truth. And
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to process like a political answer.
Speaker 3: And the thing is I.
Speaker 2: Follow her on Instagram and she's on the app, and
Speaker 2: ever since then, she's been running every day. We'reing two
Speaker 2: miles straight for the first time since high school last weekend.
Speaker 3: So it just depends.
Speaker 2: Like and that's the thing about especially early stage startup
Speaker 2: companies and why they're able to all of a sudden take,
Speaker 2: you know, grow bigger to bigger than one of these
Speaker 2: major companies, is that they're talking to more people who
Speaker 2: are dealing with the problems that their solutions are trying
Speaker 2: to solve, and then they test more solutions against those
Speaker 2: problems than anybody else, and then ultimately something pops and
Speaker 2: and then and then you start to scale. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was that was on some level, like a test, like Okay,
Speaker 2: let's see if this this type of messaging works and
Speaker 2: so when we send push notifications also in the app,
Speaker 2: like we we test different uh different nudgets, right, Like
Speaker 2: one one night we sent message out at like ten o'clock,
Speaker 2: like put that phone down, whatever it is, go wait
Speaker 2: till tomorrow. Some dude came up to me next day, Hey, well,
Speaker 2: I literally put my phone down. I was on TikTok
Speaker 2: and I put my phone down. So that's really like
Speaker 2: we're just trying to stay as close to the problem
Speaker 2: as possible so we can be as responsive to people's
Speaker 2: needs and ultimately be the be the best solution.
Speaker 4: Lingo was black and cared about your physical health. I
Speaker 4: feel like that was.
Speaker 1: Just about to say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I definitely like that concept. Maybe not quite
Speaker 2: as like toxic, but.
Speaker 8: Almost strangely colored haired cartoons, you know, like my yeah, we.
Speaker 2: Figure on the almost that you did this, Publee, it's
Speaker 2: really cool.
Speaker 6: Congratulations by the way, him, Yeah, yeah, thank you. There's
Speaker 6: your Does your app just do like cardio pick up
Speaker 6: and does it like a just to people's lifestyles and
Speaker 6: how they live or you know, when you're gathering that
Speaker 6: information on them, or does it run rubrics off of
Speaker 6: the expected lifestyle of somebody and what I mean by that,
Speaker 6: just to clarify, is most people work at eight to
Speaker 6: five and then they work out after.
Speaker 7: Maybe during lunch. Does you go off of that rubrick or.
Speaker 6: Maybe there are other people who have different types of
Speaker 6: black styles and they works out at two in the morning,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like does your pick up
Speaker 6: on that?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So again, we track over one hundred different metrics across
Speaker 2: seven categories of health and you can you can track
Speaker 2: exactly how many, but there might be a couple of
Speaker 2: hundred different activities on the app. So we integrate with Fitbit, Garmin,
Speaker 2: Apple Health, Google, Fed, Samsung, he pretty much every fitness
Speaker 2: tracker and integrate with our app. And so you can
Speaker 2: log your workout, whatever workout you want to do, whether
Speaker 2: it's weightlifting or cardio, and then that'll.
Speaker 3: Send to the app, right.
Speaker 2: And the algorithm, the Helsequare algorithm is just based on
Speaker 2: general It's just based on essentially like workout time, resting,
Speaker 2: heart rate.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously the calories burned just depends on.
Speaker 2: You know, how hard you're working during that workout, whether
Speaker 2: it's a run or it's a weightlifting session. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it takes into consideration the individual and so you're gonna
Speaker 2: get scored on your sleep. So if you are working
Speaker 2: out at two am, for example, and maybe you only
Speaker 2: got where I was to sleep that night, you're going
Speaker 2: to get a bump for doing your work like an
Speaker 2: improvement for doing your workout, but you're going to get
Speaker 2: a knock for for not sleeping, you know, and and
Speaker 2: it essentially balances out. And then what we'll say is
Speaker 2: in that case, for example, I always recommend that if
Speaker 2: you have to choose between working out and sleeping, choose sleeping.
Speaker 3: Thing is the most.
Speaker 2: Important part of your health before or after after community
Speaker 2: and purpose, and yeah, you just got to be non
Speaker 2: negotiable about that and get that right first before anything else,
Speaker 2: mainly so you can be in the right mind and
Speaker 2: have energy to care about all of the other stuff.
Speaker 3: And that relates to health.
Speaker 1: IM about to say it's not an attack on you, Sham.
Speaker 1: We know about your situation.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that, but.
Speaker 1: Uh, the straightforward is that you have kwalme. It very
Speaker 1: much sounds like Houston, Houston as far as our experience
Speaker 1: with it through Sham is basically very straightforward. People like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is this is what it is like. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if you feel offended, but I mean I'm not going
Speaker 1: to not tell the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well, I mean it's an emergency, you know,
Speaker 2: the Black health problem at least that's how I regard it.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, nothing has worked so far at scale,
Speaker 2: and we just don't really have time to beat around
Speaker 2: the bush about it because people are losing their lives
Speaker 2: to preventable conditions in their forties and leaving their their
Speaker 2: children and are for situations than they have to be
Speaker 2: the consequence, and so I would like to stop as
Speaker 2: much of that from happening as possible.
Speaker 7: So I agree. I was pretty diabetic, just so you know.
Speaker 6: I mean I was pre diabetic and I have high
Speaker 6: blood pressure m h and maybe like two and a
Speaker 6: half years ago if put off pills and I started
Speaker 6: working out like consistently since then, mm hmm. Like see,
Speaker 6: they want to see it down like like super normal,
Speaker 6: my blood pressure super normal. So like I try to
Speaker 6: speak to that all the time, that people should just
Speaker 6: be healthy, workout, go to the gym as part of
Speaker 6: your life, just because you know, you don't want to
Speaker 6: get a foot cut off for anything.
Speaker 7: I'm starting to tell you, like a lot of stuff
Speaker 7: that we do like leg stuff.
Speaker 6: Leg workouts really improve and that has to go with cardio,
Speaker 6: really improve your your sexual album, right, how long you last,
Speaker 6: how strong you are instead of you having to take
Speaker 6: all these pills.
Speaker 7: Like I'm anti medicine one hundreds And.
Speaker 6: I know you're in a medical field, so you probably
Speaker 6: hate me for saying that, but I'm super anti medicine.
Speaker 6: Think with intimate and fasting and working out, you can
Speaker 6: improve yourself, repare yourself, and become a healthier person.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. No, I'm with you. I would medicine
Speaker 3: has its place. Like our healthcare system is.
Speaker 2: Really a disease management system, right, I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: agree with the terminology actually of the system. It shouldn't
Speaker 2: be called the healthcare system. It's the disease management system
Speaker 2: and an acute care system, and it does a really
Speaker 2: good job of that, right.
Speaker 3: And it's profitable, it's very profitable.
Speaker 2: But only ten percent of your health health is determined
Speaker 2: by you engaging with the healthcare system, right, So like
Speaker 2: going to the primary care doctor or you know, specialty
Speaker 2: doctor for different situations, only ten percent of your health
Speaker 2: is determined by that. Another ten percent is determined by
Speaker 2: your genetics. Rest is depending on how you engage with
Speaker 2: the world, how you live your life. So I actually
Speaker 2: spend the majority of my time in that eighty percent.
Speaker 2: And like you're saying, like, how do we make health
Speaker 2: a part of your life, not necessarily this extra thing
Speaker 2: that you have to do, And how do people make
Speaker 2: it a non negotiable in their life kind of like
Speaker 2: as the foundation of it's like their vision for their lives.
Speaker 2: If anything else, I'm going to be healthy and well
Speaker 2: so that I can give myself the best chance that
Speaker 2: whatever it is I want in this life, and my
Speaker 2: family whatever they want it this life, that's like our
Speaker 2: job and duty and a sense to me.
Speaker 6: And so what I noticed in the black community, sorry
Speaker 6: to cut you off, is just that we have a
Speaker 6: not so much the black community thing, it's an American thing.
Speaker 6: America cares more about what they can get out of
Speaker 6: you than what they can do for you. So that
Speaker 6: goes through jobs and businesses. They want to work you
Speaker 6: to death. They want you to commute to work, you know,
Speaker 6: commuting alone, going to the job, dealing with family and
Speaker 6: health issues. It creates little time for self improvement, self work, health,
Speaker 6: all of that. So I think we have a societal
Speaker 6: issue that is anti keeping you healthy, but more so
Speaker 6: just keeping you alive, leaves your thrive.
Speaker 4: Just you know.
Speaker 2: And when I always used to be confused by the
Speaker 2: idea that like, the country is willing to let all
Speaker 2: of its people become sick, right and it can't even
Speaker 2: walk a mile without getting out of breath. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're allowing this to happen, then on
Speaker 2: some level they probably.
Speaker 3: Don't care.
Speaker 2: Because they don't need us or won't need us in
Speaker 2: the future. And that's a you know, a bit of.
Speaker 3: A morbid thought, but.
Speaker 2: I means probably not going to not the country anyway
Speaker 2: implement any systems that start to mitigate that. Now you
Speaker 2: know here that they're they're making noises about removing certain
Speaker 2: chemicals and stuff like that from foods, and I hope
Speaker 2: they do those things. But the entire half of the country,
Speaker 2: half of the adults in the country have one or two,
Speaker 2: one or more chronic conditions hypertension, type two diabetes, some
Speaker 2: form of cancer. And that's an adult population, and that's
Speaker 2: just not it doesn't have to be that way, all right.
Speaker 2: So my grandfather, he's eighty seven years old, he doesn't
Speaker 2: have a single chronic health condition.
Speaker 3: Wow, but that's not common.
Speaker 2: But just because something is common doesn't mean it's normal, right,
Speaker 2: And so we almost normalized taking pills to treat medications.
Speaker 2: And then doctors on some level I think are responsible
Speaker 2: for this, but maybe think they're doing the right thing
Speaker 2: or just trying to make people feel okay. But they'll
Speaker 2: go in or a person will go into the doctor,
Speaker 2: they'll get diagnosed with, you know, pre diabetes or diabetes
Speaker 2: or something like that, and then the doctor's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, you know it runs in African Americans.
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's hereditary, all this stuff. And again,
Speaker 2: your health outcomes are only ten percent of your health
Speaker 2: outcomes are determined by your genetics, right, But just because
Speaker 2: your parents have something or your siblings have something, doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that you have to have it. And I think
Speaker 2: that the doctors do this to pacify people, make them
Speaker 2: feel a little bit better or less yeah, less bad
Speaker 2: about themselves for having the condition. But type two diabetes, hypertension,
Speaker 2: mini cancers, heart disease, those are preventable things like they're preventable, period.
Speaker 3: These are not conditioned.
Speaker 2: Like again on the whole, not talking about you know,
Speaker 2: different cases type one diabetes for example. These these are
Speaker 2: entirely preventable, and.
Speaker 4: It keeps people passive. Say that again, it keeps people passive,
Speaker 4: you can say, oh.
Speaker 2: It and allows people to continue living the way that
Speaker 2: they are.
Speaker 4: The process profitable, you know, push more medicine.
Speaker 2: M hm, that's there. That's their prerogative. My job is
Speaker 2: to shift that whether people want.
Speaker 4: It or not, one stemp at a time.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's why it's called the startup, Right,
Speaker 1: You're disrupting the current status quo, which is, uh, we
Speaker 1: have a cute healthcare system and uh, we just want
Speaker 1: to have you be sick enough to be able to
Speaker 1: pay us money, but not so sick that you die immediately.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That's expensive to them.
Speaker 1: Oh, it is, because there needs to be a certain
Speaker 1: amount of people to keep everybody else in line. But besides,
Speaker 1: you know, crushing people's understanding of the government. Can you
Speaker 1: tell us more about kind of the health gaps that
Speaker 1: are in like underserved communities, because I think your app
Speaker 1: is like the first that I've heard aim specifically at
Speaker 1: a problem within the black community.
Speaker 2: And so I did my master's in public health as
Speaker 2: Xavier with the concentration of health equity, and so just
Speaker 2: to kind of lay the land. Public health is the
Speaker 2: art and science of prolonging life. So as a public
Speaker 2: health practitioner, my job is to help human beings live
Speaker 2: as long as they possibly can and as healthy as
Speaker 2: they possibly can, well they are alive.
Speaker 3: In the United States, there is a about a.
Speaker 2: Six to seven year life expectancy gap between black people
Speaker 2: and the rest of the population. So like people are
Speaker 2: living on average stage seventy two seventy four, the rest
Speaker 2: of the population seventy eight eighty.
Speaker 3: That gap doesn't necessarily sound that big.
Speaker 2: To some people, but when you extrapolate that out to
Speaker 2: the entire black population, right, so it's fifty million plus
Speaker 2: in the US now, it comes out to like two
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty million years of lost time in the
Speaker 2: black community. That's time with you know, money and index funds.
Speaker 2: That's time with your family and mentorship. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: so much opportunity that we're missing out on because largely
Speaker 2: driven by really death to preventable conditions and that's created
Speaker 2: bare health. To recapture that life lost, that's our that's
Speaker 2: our mission because fortunately these conditions and kind of the
Speaker 2: trajectory that we're on can be slow stopped and even
Speaker 2: reversed through lifestyle intervention. I'm really transforming communities to where
Speaker 2: they're health promoting, and that's ultimately what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2: We're not necessarily trying to close the life expectancy gap.
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily interested in how we compare to others.
Speaker 2: It's trying to maximize health in the black community. What
Speaker 2: is our ultimate potential? That's what I'm most interested in,
Speaker 2: and in creating a blueprinting path for people to achieve that.
Speaker 4: He said, six to eight years.
Speaker 8: That's enough to get to know a small child.
Speaker 4: A great grand kid, and that can make all the difference.
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean some gaps are even more stark,
Speaker 2: like here in New Orleans, average life expectancy in like
Speaker 2: the wealthier neighborhood in the city, it's eighty and less
Speaker 2: than three miles away, there's a community with the average
Speaker 2: life expectancy of fifty four years. So we can get
Speaker 2: gap can get even wider.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that's that's large, really really large. Not
Speaker 1: to cut you off too much there, but looking at
Speaker 1: like I'm looking at something from few research and showing
Speaker 1: like black men versus black women, Like, we start out
Speaker 1: pretty even then around like thirty to thirty four, we
Speaker 1: just start dropping in comparison to black women. Is there
Speaker 1: any component, especially since this is the podcast where primarily
Speaker 1: a lot of our audiences are black men, Is this
Speaker 1: like the call to action for us?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we.
Speaker 2: Women are going to the doctor more. And again I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that you necessarily have to go to the
Speaker 2: doctor to be healthy. You do need to get some
Speaker 2: checkups to make sure that you know, again your blood pressures,
Speaker 2: in check, your blood sugar level, so on and so forth. Again,
Speaker 2: most of your health is determined about how you engage
Speaker 2: with the world. But early detection is like the number
Speaker 2: one tool we have for dealing with really any condition,
Speaker 2: especially for menable ones. And because black men aren't going
Speaker 2: to the doctor the rates nearly at the rates that
Speaker 2: women are, there's catching things earlier. We don't catch these
Speaker 2: things until, like they're at later stages because for different
Speaker 2: reasons we're putting it off. You know, we don't trust
Speaker 2: talk if we don't feel like me nobody, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like different things like that, And you know,
Speaker 2: I get it. I have the same kind of cautions
Speaker 2: but if we can somehow put the fear in front
Speaker 2: of people like that, that like it's gonna have to
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to draw on fear to me, like
Speaker 2: the idea of promote like being healthy me isn't enough
Speaker 2: a motivator.
Speaker 3: If you guys heard about that that mouse.
Speaker 2: Study where they had the basically the mouse had to
Speaker 2: go get to the peanut butter or the cheese or whatever,
Speaker 2: and so they time the rat the mouse with just
Speaker 2: the cheese or the peanut butter as the driver get
Speaker 2: through the mains. They did that once and then they
Speaker 2: did it another time where they wafted cat oder behind
Speaker 2: it and had the change.
Speaker 3: So much faster.
Speaker 2: And that one right because it was scared scared of
Speaker 2: something too, And so I think you need both, yeah,
Speaker 2: to make commitment. And oftentimes people don't change until they
Speaker 2: have a heart attack or you know again until until
Speaker 2: the problem is here. And yeah, we we just we
Speaker 2: just have to flip that that motivation to where it's.
Speaker 3: Getting ahead of it.
Speaker 4: Like both the goal and fear of some form of.
Speaker 3: Loss absolutely.
Speaker 2: Absolutely bad.
Speaker 8: Noe Uh what part you say you from Houston? Were
Speaker 8: you born in Houston then moved to Louisiana.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I was born in New Orleans, grew up
Speaker 2: in Houston.
Speaker 4: Ah what part of Houston grew up in?
Speaker 3: I grew up in Kingwood, South, OK.
Speaker 4: Don't see too many Houston people around these parts.
Speaker 1: Say you say that like I don't go to Houston
Speaker 1: all the time for.
Speaker 4: Work, going to and being from a very very different statements.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm just saying, like, I see.
Speaker 8: You're taking this Drake thing a little bit too seriously.
Speaker 8: You can't just go to a place a couple of
Speaker 8: time people from there.
Speaker 1: Look, man, first and foremost, you don't have to bring
Speaker 1: that up. You can just let that go. He's not
Speaker 1: even in Houston. He's in whatever the part is where
Speaker 1: all the rich Nigerians lived.
Speaker 4: You would know where that is before I would.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, no, we we we always have that
Speaker 1: that fun banter.
Speaker 3: But worried about my boy Drake though, I mean you.
Speaker 1: Don't need to be worried about him. I mean, he
Speaker 1: seems like he's finally realizing you released music and people
Speaker 1: to stop dancing to the songs that they'll probably still
Speaker 1: be dancing to it people's weddings in five years, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen more not like us at weddings,
Speaker 1: and I've seen it anywhere else, and it's like, it's
Speaker 1: a very very interesting, uh interesting place to play this song.
Speaker 4: At my wedding. Nothing but Kelly is going down.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, bro, I saw somebody play a Diddy
Speaker 1: song the other day and I was looking at them like,
Speaker 1: don't you like give us some time here?
Speaker 7: Sir?
Speaker 4: He was like many songs really bright.
Speaker 5: Listening to did Bro you know exactly?
Speaker 4: That was it?
Speaker 1: That was yeah? Exactly bad boys like that was it?
Speaker 4: That was a song that every step.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's more Faith Evans than than Diddy.
Speaker 4: Diddy raps. She just did the hook, Yeah you care
Speaker 4: about it? Nah? It was his verse, bro, he was
Speaker 4: he was in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, repeat his verse then me.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure Jada Kits wrote that, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably verseig.
Speaker 4: I can't repeat a verse.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
Speaker 8: How much do you think Diddy has done for health
Speaker 8: in the black community?
Speaker 5: Mental health? Like like terrible, he's been killing us all right,
Speaker 5: I want to at least tie back in.
Speaker 1: I mean, as your attorney, I can tell you complete
Speaker 1: the fifth on this one. You don't have to answer
Speaker 1: this at all. This is solishness.
Speaker 4: If you don't, you gotta go down the baby or
Speaker 4: slip and slide.
Speaker 7: He does not, sir.
Speaker 1: We do important talking about that one brother on the
Speaker 1: trip because then when.
Speaker 5: Somebody's like, he's gonna be a long rapist, I mean
Speaker 5: philanthropists now.
Speaker 1: That joke from always Philadelphia never never gets older, but
Speaker 1: definitely does date you. And people are not going to
Speaker 1: get it because they didn't see the ship.
Speaker 5: Not about who gets it, but I give it. It's
Speaker 5: kind of like that reference self satisfaction. Yeah, okay, apartment,
Speaker 5: but you got I'm.
Speaker 1: Going instead of going off into our normal tangents. So
Speaker 1: has a plant based lifestyle enhance your physical and mental performance?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: So I started eating the plant based about ten years
Speaker 2: ago after my senior year of college. Started off really
Speaker 2: just for the environmental impact you want to that's one
Speaker 2: light area where I just think we're running an interesting
Speaker 2: experiment with the with the planet. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that there's necessarily anything that we can do for sure,
Speaker 2: but if there's anything I can do to like reduce
Speaker 2: my contribution to us getting put in a bad situation
Speaker 2: sooner than later than, I'm gonna try to do that.
Speaker 2: And my concerns with the environment aren't necessarily that, like
Speaker 2: the environment is going to get so bad that you
Speaker 2: know it like just like we burn up or get
Speaker 2: washed away, but the storms and stuff are going to
Speaker 2: become so frequent, Like the disaster is going to become
Speaker 2: so frequent that it displaces more people at once than
Speaker 2: like all of our safety net systems have the capacity
Speaker 2: to kind of mitigate. And then we get all you know,
Speaker 2: tribal well taken care of human beings are good people
Speaker 2: not well taken care of human beings. You are trying
Speaker 2: to eat and protect their families. And so anyway, that's
Speaker 2: my brant on. That's why I started. It didn't really
Speaker 2: become about health until about a couple of years later.
Speaker 2: I started going to different conferences related to health and
Speaker 2: play based eating. But I didn't really notice much at
Speaker 2: first because I'm still, you know, pretty young and indecent shape,
Speaker 2: because I just finished my collegiate career as are running well.
Speaker 2: What I will say is that most of the problems
Speaker 2: that my friends are dealing with now that people deal
Speaker 2: with day to day, I don't deal with that at all.
Speaker 3: Headaches.
Speaker 2: I haven't had a headache, well outside of a late
Speaker 2: night like a bachelor party or something like that. I
Speaker 2: don't have like headaches on a regular basis. I work
Speaker 2: about fourteen hours a day with no problem, don't get tired,
Speaker 2: no naps needed. And then when it comes to like
Speaker 2: eating plant based die, specifically a whole food plant based died, Yeah,
Speaker 2: my body's not having to work as hard to process
Speaker 2: the food as as it would if I was eating
Speaker 2: say a standard American diet, you know, high and fat,
Speaker 2: high in processed foods, and so just essentially I'm not
Speaker 2: having to burn as much energy to process food, and
Speaker 2: so I have a lot more energy to do everything.
Speaker 3: Else that I spent my time doing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's when it comes to the plant based eating.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys are familiar with blue zones.
Speaker 2: Blue zones are these areas where people are living into
Speaker 2: their one hundreds more than other parts nearby, so they're
Speaker 2: think about eight blue zones. I forget the exact number
Speaker 2: some people so or some areas are no longer blue
Speaker 2: zones because you know, not as many people are living
Speaker 2: into one hundred because they're becoming westernized. But there's one
Speaker 2: in Low Malinda, California. There's one in Costa Rica, one
Speaker 2: in one in Japan. Basically they go and study these
Speaker 2: these communities, these populations and try to identify why they're
Speaker 2: living well until they're one hundreds and all of them
Speaker 2: eat ninety five to one hundred percent plant based sides.
Speaker 2: So my first thing when it comes to plant based
Speaker 2: and the message is you have to understand that you
Speaker 2: can absolutely live healthy and long and strong without eating meat.
Speaker 2: And this isn't this isn't like a message to get
Speaker 2: people to stop eating meat, but to drop the idea
Speaker 2: that it's a necessity because especially here in America, like
Speaker 2: everybody's big on protein and protein and protein, but again,
Speaker 2: we're not living nearly as long as these people, and
Speaker 2: all they eat is plants for the most part. And
Speaker 2: so that's really what I draw on because my focus
Speaker 2: in my goal is longevity. So what are the longest
Speaker 2: lived people doing? And we go do what they're doing.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of why I've been able to stick
Speaker 2: with it and the message that I have for people
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for kind of expanding on that. I know
Speaker 1: for some people, you know, they hear the plant based
Speaker 1: thing and they think, oh, I can't whatever, But eighty
Speaker 1: five to eighty to ninety five percent. I think that's
Speaker 1: that's entirely doable. It's something where you're not giving up everything,
Speaker 1: but you are making a priority to eat more food
Speaker 1: that are plant based. We've had a couple of people
Speaker 1: from doctor mccayba Mooring. We also had gosh, what is
Speaker 1: the guy's name?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, something, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we had. We had both of them on
Speaker 1: the podcast and they're also talking about the same thing.
Speaker 1: And with doctor Kable Warren like I kept up, yeah, Ki,
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate it well, Doctor Michable morning. Like after
Speaker 1: that episode, I really did start eating or did stop
Speaker 1: start skipping a meal every single week. I did that
Speaker 1: until basically about this year when I decided that I
Speaker 1: wasn't getting the exact same benefits out and that may
Speaker 1: be more so me than the actual diet. But you know,
Speaker 1: like taking that twenty four hours off, like you know,
Speaker 1: after a while, you get kind of used to it.
Speaker 1: Because people at like my company now that I work,
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, like you going to lunch. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't take lunch till three. They're like, why don't
Speaker 1: you eat until three? It's like because I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I have to eat till three, I'll drink water
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I'm trying to get better at that
Speaker 1: because Sham will throw a bottle at me. But you know,
Speaker 1: at the same time, like, you know, it's That's one
Speaker 1: of the things I think Sham does that he doesn't
Speaker 1: give himself credit for, is Sham religiously drinks water like
Speaker 1: all the time. And it's like maybe to ninety percent
Speaker 1: of what he drinks and the rest is gin, but
Speaker 1: it's mostly water.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. A simple man, they say, They say Jen
Speaker 2: is a healthier, healthier liquor.
Speaker 1: You know. Shoot, so you're saying Sham was better all along.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit cleaner, but I know so. I'm
Speaker 2: actually a big proponent of fasting. Fast thing is actually
Speaker 2: the most powerful thing you can do to extend your lifespan,
Speaker 2: mainly because it's given your body a break from processing work.
Speaker 2: You're right, exactly work and focusing on repair. And so
Speaker 2: when you fast, you you trigger what's called autophagy auto fager,
Speaker 2: depending how you want to pronounce it, and it basically
Speaker 2: is where your body, you know, uses stored energy or
Speaker 2: energy and it's our bodies are so smart that when
Speaker 2: they're in this state, they go and use old damaged
Speaker 2: cells and proteins first and break those down and turn
Speaker 2: them into new, younger cells and proteins. So essentially like
Speaker 2: cleaning up the body. And most of us are eating
Speaker 2: around the clock, right We're eating first thing in the morning,
Speaker 2: and then we're snacking until we pass out, and so
Speaker 2: we only have like this six hour window where we're
Speaker 2: not and so you people are never entering the state
Speaker 2: where their body is cleaning itself up. And when you
Speaker 2: think about things like cancers or again, the majority of
Speaker 2: these conditions cancer cells are really just like mistakes that
Speaker 2: mistakes in replication, and these mistakes come from you know
Speaker 2: where and tear just like any other system. And so
Speaker 2: fasting gives your body an opportunity to go clean up
Speaker 2: and get rid of all of these mistakes and so
Speaker 2: ultimately reducing your chance of developing these conditions.
Speaker 3: And so not to bring the mice.
Speaker 2: Back into it, but they did a study where they
Speaker 2: had one group of mice eat this whenever they wanted basically,
Speaker 2: and then one group eight between twelve and eight pm.
Speaker 2: And this is actually where that twelve eight pm, you
Speaker 2: know intermittent fasting window came from. It's not necessarily based
Speaker 2: on human results, it's just that was just the window
Speaker 2: that made sense for the researcher.
Speaker 3: With that study.
Speaker 2: Anyway, they ate the same amount of food and they
Speaker 2: ate the same type of food. The group that ate
Speaker 2: between twelve pm and eight pm lived thirty percent longer.
Speaker 2: Like with that, that's that's so significant. That's such a
Speaker 2: significant amount of time. And when you know, all of
Speaker 2: the mechanisms that turn on in those mice that we're
Speaker 2: living longer turn on in us when we fast as well.
Speaker 3: So to me, the real silver bullet, because you know.
Speaker 2: Obviously I've been trying to figure out exactly how to
Speaker 2: get people to eat better. To me, if we could
Speaker 2: just give people to skip a meal, skip breakfast, or
Speaker 2: skip dinner have tremendous impact. It doesn't also doesn't cost
Speaker 2: any money to skip a meal or do you save money.
Speaker 4: In fact, I know about that.
Speaker 2: It's just so powerful. So I'm glad you guys brought
Speaker 2: up fast because there's anything that if we get adopted
Speaker 2: at scale, that would that would transform health outcomes into
Speaker 2: black community to be that.
Speaker 1: Definitely definitely thinking back kind of about what you were
Speaker 1: saying as far as kind of like changing like not
Speaker 1: just our health outcomes, but what do you think from
Speaker 1: a community standpoint, I would having a better handle on
Speaker 1: our health impact the Black community.
Speaker 2: I mean, I will say that community is part of health.
Speaker 2: So I'll say first, I think again, the longer we
Speaker 2: can be here, the more we can do, and the
Speaker 2: more we can leave for future generations. Again, to me,
Speaker 2: it's a non negotiable that that we that we start
Speaker 2: with health because everything is dependent on it. Think about it.
Speaker 2: Think about how how disease and unhealth shakes up families,
Speaker 2: especially you know when when it happens in an unexpected way,
Speaker 2: it can can really disrupt the financial situations. Puts a
Speaker 2: lot of people in debt, a lot of people file bankruptcy.
Speaker 2: I think I think it may be actually be the
Speaker 2: number one the double check, but I think it maybe
Speaker 2: the number one cause of like personal bankruptcy. So when
Speaker 2: people go talk about like, oh man, I don't want
Speaker 2: to eat healthy because it's expensive, well eat unhealthy. There's
Speaker 2: a health tax that comes later, right, and it takes
Speaker 2: a lot of people out and takes families out. So
Speaker 2: in order like you want to be in the best
Speaker 2: position you can, because life is always going to be throwing,
Speaker 2: you know, obstacles at you. And so just like the
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen pandemic, right, this that's what actually motivated me
Speaker 2: to start Bare Health. When you think about the people
Speaker 2: who had the most severe outcomes with the COVID nineteen pandemic,
Speaker 2: they were already in a compromise state. They were dealing
Speaker 2: with high pertension, type two diabetes, and because their defense
Speaker 2: systems were so focused on those conditions or just tired
Speaker 2: from dealing with those conditions, when they when they encountered
Speaker 2: the COVID nineteen virus there they could get everything just
Speaker 2: kind of started to fall apart. So you just have
Speaker 2: to be ready because you never know what's going to
Speaker 2: come and and sometimes it'll be a pandemic, or sometimes
Speaker 2: it'll be to run across the street, and it's just
Speaker 2: it's just fundamental to to be ready for for whatever
Speaker 2: challenges we face as a community, so we can all
Speaker 2: be as sharp and as as astrong as we need
Speaker 2: to be in these situations.
Speaker 1: Well, you are correct. It is the number one reason
Speaker 1: for bankruptcy in the United States medical expenses. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if we can eliminate that, then that that could keep
Speaker 1: a little more money in Big Mama's pocket, which hopefully
Speaker 1: she can pass on to future generations. Absolutely, like we're
Speaker 1: hoping that, you know, you don't lose a leg, as
Speaker 1: you heard from Quarmbing, like his grandfather still out here,
Speaker 1: no problems whatsoever in the seventies. I mean that's how eighties.
Speaker 1: My grandfather was eighties, sorry, eighties, that's how what's my
Speaker 1: grandfather as well? Like you know, no problems, no, no, nothing,
Speaker 1: just his only thing was that he just got older
Speaker 1: and a little bit of other things. But you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's got their thing. If you could change one thing
Speaker 1: about kind of how we start our days as black people,
Speaker 1: what's one thing you would change, and I'll give you
Speaker 1: full car blanche.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's got it.
Speaker 2: The first thing that's coming to my mind is the phone.
Speaker 2: If we could just like sit with our thoughts like
Speaker 2: ten fifteen minutes when we first wake up, as opposed
Speaker 2: to grabbing the phone, it's like put the world down
Speaker 2: for a second. I think that we can be a
Speaker 2: bit more intentional about the rest of our day. Thataca
Speaker 2: skipping men's in particular, skipping breakfast, women, skipping, skipping dinner,
Speaker 2: make a bigger breakfast.
Speaker 3: There are some differences.
Speaker 2: When it comes to like the fasting or eating eating schedule.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just like get get the dairy, get the
Speaker 2: get the process, meet and get the all that out
Speaker 2: of the out of the first part of your day
Speaker 2: and and swap it out for like fruit and then
Speaker 2: some some fibrous foods for singing in the morning and
Speaker 2: so the meditation and some fruit in the morning.
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying.
Speaker 4: Yurt.
Speaker 3: Say that again.
Speaker 4: Are you against yogurt? I don't mean that like an
Speaker 4: aggressive way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it's a dairymall.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, I mean eighty percent of black people are lactose
Speaker 2: intolerant now, the degree to which varies, but.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't be eating here earlier.
Speaker 8: You have to bring that up, bro, You had to
Speaker 8: bring that up, that stuff anyway, uh.
Speaker 1: Mister king lactose and tolerance.
Speaker 3: Sham uh huh, yeah, yes, Skip.
Speaker 2: I mean again, it's better than you know, osage and
Speaker 2: egg and cheese and biscuits. I would say yogurt is
Speaker 2: better than that for sure.
Speaker 4: I mean yogurt specifically, not like you know your play
Speaker 4: mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah again I stick with with yogurt is a dairy,
Speaker 2: but I'll take again, I'll take that over with. Most
Speaker 2: of us are eating for a thing in the morning, cereal,
Speaker 2: you know, high sugar cereal, things like that, but I
Speaker 2: don't consider it a health food for black people. Be
Speaker 2: mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, ok ahead, No, I was gonnas.
Speaker 8: And this may be a big crash on my part,
Speaker 8: But have you considered weaponizing women, uh as far as
Speaker 8: trying to shift the ideas of help?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I think women specifically like
Speaker 2: shifting the ideas of health for men.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because men often do whatever the women think is
Speaker 8: fancy or fancy bull at that time.
Speaker 2: I mean, everything that men do can be can be
Speaker 2: tracked to getting women. So that's yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: And you know, like so I run a round club
Speaker 2: here and there are a lot of attractive women in
Speaker 2: the club, and men are who don't run are coming
Speaker 2: to the club and now running just to you know,
Speaker 2: be around and then and they get value out of
Speaker 2: the community that we built, beyond you know, the potential
Speaker 2: opportunity they might have with a woman there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean this one guy who like like one of
Speaker 2: my she's actually my former athlete. Now kind of like
Speaker 2: family member at this point. But she you've been coming
Speaker 2: to our run clubs, you know, since we started last year,
Speaker 2: and this guy who you know, wanted to be with her.
Speaker 2: She she's not interested in him. But he started showing
Speaker 2: up every day. And now they they've kind of moved on,
Speaker 2: moved away from the idea of them having anything. He
Speaker 2: still shows up. Now he's part of the community, you
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying. So if that's the hook or
Speaker 2: that that's what gets people in, and then we get
Speaker 2: in the stick because of the other additional value, then
Speaker 2: you know, I think women are the strongest motivated for
Speaker 2: what men do. Do do anything, or to motivate them
Speaker 2: for health.
Speaker 1: Honestly, that's what we told you. Writer, you should have
Speaker 1: been here to defend yourself start a runk club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of a lot of value comes out
Speaker 2: of runk clubs, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: That says a writer here.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I just I just could not resist
Speaker 1: a dig at Ryder just because of whatever he has
Speaker 1: going on right now. Same thing for white collar Sugar.
Speaker 1: But he at least was kind of enough to tell
Speaker 1: us ahead of time and also understand, you know, being
Speaker 1: a parent is definitely gonna be first priority, Like we're
Speaker 1: not everyday black men. Forget your kids, forget your wives.
Speaker 1: When it's podcast time is podcast time. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I mean, you know, hey, you actually you're
Speaker 1: telling what's going on, Like I understand that, Like I
Speaker 1: appreciate that everybody could come and do stuff like you
Speaker 1: see stylists here. Man, he probably right now I'm raising goats.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, he's still here for moral support.
Speaker 4: Well, man, I'm not gonna lie to you. He has
Speaker 4: this captive.
Speaker 8: He has threatened to deport two of us, and all
Speaker 8: of us are American. If you can get us help,
Speaker 8: you ain't you ain't.
Speaker 1: Worth a gosh dar for that one. I am not
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of America, right, We have presidents here
Speaker 1: and we find legal processes.
Speaker 3: She knew all the best. That gets important.
Speaker 1: Well, but not either man. It's it's a hard road.
Speaker 1: You know, we say you're the best country in the world,
Speaker 1: but then you look at our healthcare system and you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're definitely lacking in a lot of areas, even
Speaker 2: outside of health.
Speaker 3: Happiness in particular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like when you see like Norway's happiness, people are
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, like I can feel it life
Speaker 1: and I'll still have a house and a wife and
Speaker 1: kids and the government will take care of me. And
Speaker 1: it's like no wonder of y'all. Europeans be smiling so
Speaker 1: hard because Norway guys they got like a freakish smiles.
Speaker 1: But I guess when literally you can't fail no matter
Speaker 1: what you do, I'd be smiling too, like, hey, life
Speaker 1: is ground.
Speaker 4: Like you hate from outside the club, but.
Speaker 1: I'm hating all the way outside the club, all the
Speaker 1: way outside the club. Plus they take two months off.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so glad we don't hire those
Speaker 1: people because I would be that not only do you
Speaker 1: get all the holidays that are related to our holidays,
Speaker 1: but you also get two months. And he basically just
Speaker 1: tell me, like, I'm taking off the month of October,
Speaker 1: Me and the family are going to uh visit Malaysia.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go for an entire year or for entire
Speaker 1: month and see y'all when we get back.
Speaker 4: And were you going for the Nigerian accent there?
Speaker 1: It just kind of comes out. I've been part of
Speaker 1: the Nigerian culture for too long.
Speaker 4: They walk a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it I mean again, the whole thing
Speaker 1: is when you marry into a culture, you're supposed to
Speaker 1: adopt it. Like now I see them becoming more Americanized
Speaker 1: and cynical. It's like, yes, I knew I would break
Speaker 1: this Nigerian hopeless optimism thing.
Speaker 4: It just took America. Broye. You might have help speak alone,
Speaker 4: but you get like one good generation from wherever you
Speaker 4: come from, and then your kids is American.
Speaker 1: They still they still have a lot of it. But
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, we haven't seen the whole second
Speaker 1: generation play out. We've only seen the first. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen we haven't seen the whole. Uh, although I sometimes
Speaker 1: see you know, like with my knees. Like sometimes you'll
Speaker 1: say things it's like, oh you sweet summer child. That
Speaker 1: is not going to go like that in America. But
Speaker 1: you don't want to be that guy to crush the
Speaker 1: child's dreams. And if you do imagine crushing child's dream read, uh,
Speaker 1: don't don't do it, bro, Like, come on, we need
Speaker 1: black kids to actually feel safe and secure. They're unprotected
Speaker 1: on multiple fronts.
Speaker 4: I think there's there's size for that, but.
Speaker 1: I agree, I mean, yeah, you're not you're not entirely wrong.
Speaker 1: But Bomby, we don't want to take up too much
Speaker 1: of your time. You've been here with us about an hour.
Speaker 1: Any final things you want to say, you want to
Speaker 1: tell people, want a little more about the app and
Speaker 1: the code or anything else that you wanted to plug
Speaker 1: while you're here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So we've been working on our in a app for
Speaker 2: the past eighteen months called Dakka Do. So that's what
Speaker 2: we've run our platform on the majority of our users
Speaker 2: are on now, but we receive some significant funding over
Speaker 2: the past year that's going to allow us to migrate
Speaker 2: to the official Bear Health app. So and say it's
Speaker 2: in the beginning with Bear stams for Black Electronic Health Records.
Speaker 2: So all of the user data goes into what we
Speaker 2: call the Black Electronic Health Record, and on a monthly basis,
Speaker 2: we're looking at the elective health trends of our user population,
Speaker 2: which ultimately our vision is for that to be the
Speaker 2: entire Black community. So each month we'll see the average
Speaker 2: health score overall, we'll see the average health score by
Speaker 2: underage different category that we track and be able to
Speaker 2: use that data to inform and drive different community health solutions.
Speaker 3: We can do it by community.
Speaker 2: Right, so we'll be able to see the average healthcore
Speaker 2: in New Orleans compared to the average healthcore in Atlanta
Speaker 2: to Detroit. And let's say the average healthcore in Atlanta
Speaker 2: is much higher than it is in New Orleans. So
Speaker 2: then okay, let's go explore Atlanta to find out what's
Speaker 2: going on there that we can apply to the city
Speaker 2: New Orleans and then give those interventions had any impact
Speaker 2: when we look at.
Speaker 3: The data the next month.
Speaker 2: So my goal was to first communicate clearly to the
Speaker 2: black community our current health status, and that's why we
Speaker 2: came up with the idea of a health score. But
Speaker 2: then I wanted to create a system of follow up
Speaker 2: whereby after people become aware, now we can track changes
Speaker 2: over time and identify when we can intervene right when
Speaker 2: people need a certain message.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So where the official launch of the Bare Health app
Speaker 2: this October, we're doing We're going to attempt to we
Speaker 2: have two goals. The first one is to cover enough
Speaker 2: distance as a community on what we're calling Barrathon Day
Speaker 2: to reach the moon. So the theme for the Barethon
Speaker 2: this year is Bare Health to the Moon, and the
Speaker 2: moon is about two hundred thirty nine thousand miles away,
Speaker 2: so we're trying to get as many people as possible
Speaker 2: to come onto the platform when the official app comes
Speaker 2: out so that we can try and again cover this distance.
Speaker 2: The ultimate goal of the Barethon is can we break
Speaker 2: the world record for the most people participating in a
Speaker 2: virtual run slash walk event across multiple venues, which is
Speaker 2: currently seven hundred and seventy thousand. Our goal is to
Speaker 2: one day get a million people on Barethon day walking
Speaker 2: across the world, across the dass b and so yeah.
Speaker 2: To be a part of the Barethon, it's free to
Speaker 2: participate and it'll be free to participate on the app
Speaker 2: when it comes out in October. Just go to our
Speaker 2: instagram at bare health be ehr health and then click
Speaker 2: on the link tree. There's a link to the Barethon
Speaker 2: there and sign up and then when the official app
Speaker 2: comes out, we'll send you some text messages and emails.
Speaker 2: Come on the platform and then just log a mile
Speaker 2: wherever you are. We're gonna have satellite stations nationwide at
Speaker 2: different run clubs, so if you don't want to run
Speaker 2: by yourself, you can go run with one of the
Speaker 2: participating hubs and we'll do a specific event or we'll
Speaker 2: do an official event here in New Orleans in October
Speaker 2: as well for the Barrathon. That's our main focus right now.
Speaker 2: Is our main campaign that we got going. We want
Speaker 2: every black person in the country to know their health
Speaker 2: score and we want we want everyone to be a
Speaker 2: part of the Black Electronic Health Triger so that we
Speaker 2: can work together to improve health in the black community
Speaker 2: and then have the data to know that we actually
Speaker 2: didn't awesome.
Speaker 1: We'll make sure to include the links on the Instagram.
Speaker 1: Is there a website as well as that people can
Speaker 1: check out or is it just through the Instagram primary
Speaker 1: way for them to contact or reach out?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's our primary channel, but we do
Speaker 2: have a website as well, Bear health dot com. You
Speaker 2: can you can find a link to download the app
Speaker 2: there that you need to use the access code that
Speaker 2: you guys that I gave you guys.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. We really do appreciate it. We see
Speaker 1: like all the stuff that's on the link tree. So
Speaker 1: looking forward to that as well. But Kalman, it's been
Speaker 1: great in like having this real conversation. We definitely gotta
Speaker 1: have you come back to talk about this, especially saying
Speaker 1: if we can help get to you know, the moon
Speaker 1: in October, because that's I think are opportunity for us
Speaker 1: to have fitness for a reason or fitness on purpose
Speaker 1: as opposed to it being something that's just kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: I do this thing because like people told me to
Speaker 1: do this thing, and that's something that we definitely need
Speaker 1: more of in the black community. But any final thoughts
Speaker 1: before we close it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just to build on your last thought when
Speaker 2: it comes to like what do you need to stay
Speaker 2: motivated around your health? And I think there are three components.
Speaker 2: In particular. Is one, like you're saying some sort of
Speaker 2: time bound goal related to some type of fitness, So
Speaker 2: this is walking in this case, it could be a
Speaker 2: five k. It could be like I want to bench
Speaker 2: this much by it's time, Like you need some sort
Speaker 2: of time bound goal related to fitness. The second thing
Speaker 2: that you need is a community. Again, and these aren't
Speaker 2: any particular order. You need a community of people who
Speaker 2: are also working toward a related goal because it's just
Speaker 2: too hard to do it by yourself. Then you need well,
Speaker 2: I think I might have bridged two of them together.
Speaker 2: You need a specific goal and it needs to be
Speaker 2: time bound. And with that again you focus on like
Speaker 2: the experience. So instead of again like you're saying, telling
Speaker 2: somebody to go do something, go walk ten thousand steps
Speaker 2: a day, we create an experience, a challenge where the
Speaker 2: focus is the chance you have to win a certain
Speaker 2: prize or the competition of the challenge. The ultimate outcome
Speaker 2: is ten thousand steps to day for everybody in the challenge.
Speaker 2: But that wasn't the focus. Same thing with like run
Speaker 2: club meetups and.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Hey, we could tell everybody just go run, but or
Speaker 2: we could say come to our roun club meet or
Speaker 2: come to our meditation meet up, our yoga meetup, and
Speaker 2: again hitting these different factors of health that are important,
Speaker 2: specifically community. So that's what I would say, Fine, get
Speaker 2: a goal, make a commitment, and find a community, and
Speaker 2: then you'll be less likely to fall off your plan.
Speaker 2: I'll guarantee you.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so well, thank you. I think that's a
Speaker 1: really great thing to close out on, give us things
Speaker 1: to think about and definitely looking forward to, you know,
Speaker 1: participating with that and downloading it. You can follow us
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Speaker 1: appreciate your kwame for coming out to the podcast today,
Speaker 1: and then also appreciate everybody for rocking with us and
Speaker 1: ask us some awesome questions. If anyone has any questions.
Speaker 1: Further for him, I'll include everything as far as his
Speaker 1: win tree, and then you can get to the website.
Speaker 1: You can get to the all those fun things. And
Speaker 1: last but not least, let's let's be healthy people. Let's
Speaker 1: stay healthy because I don't want us to have a
Speaker 1: six to eight year difference between black life expectancy and
Speaker 1: general life expectancy.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys, going on with
Speaker 1: A bas