1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Daredevil 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,880 Board again. Reviews Episode four. I'm the nose of hell Kitchen. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,359 Trust now I'm joined by Hell's kitchen. 4 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:13,759 Speaker 2: I'm his hands. 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,559 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Dylan Less. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 4: I am just Taylor, just Taylor. Didn't have time to 7 00:00:24,199 --> 00:00:26,519 change it, forgot what my nickname is going to be 8 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:28,839 minutes late. You had tons of time were you talking 9 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:31,760 about Amail? I was gonna do something cookie related, but 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,039 I was like, what the fuck are the name of 11 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:33,679 those cookies? 12 00:00:34,119 --> 00:00:36,119 Speaker 5: I can't remember cookie related? 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: Okay, fiddle fiddle fiddle, Yes, I think that is. 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,799 Speaker 4: A fiddler diler. 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,359 Speaker 3: I don't like here and fiddler fiddler. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,399 Speaker 5: Fiddler or Taylor Field. 17 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have done Adam this week, Taylor, because 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,840 you did any before. You should have done the atom 19 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,200 to you feel, because that's the right name, right for 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,799 the Vanessa love interest. 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 4: That's that's right, Andy Adam and Adam Andy Fiddler. 22 00:01:06,079 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: It's almost Adamantium. 23 00:01:09,599 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: Anyways, of course we do this weekly. Will be a 24 00:01:12,879 --> 00:01:15,000 rare episode. Tons of things you can go check out 25 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,400 on the feeds being done to the great side quest. 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,280 This week you got Dylan Taylor talking about some great 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,200 news coming up. 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So after this, when we do 42 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,359 our non spoils breakdown and throw to ads, you'd get 43 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,159 nothing go right through a point five right to the spoilers, 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,280 So if you want to do that, we'd very much appreciate. 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,319 Speaker 5: It costs maybe about you know, less than a coffee. 46 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: And you get more content for your bang for your buck. 47 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:14,960 So I'm gonna start with mister Field and nonsports because 48 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,560 you were not here last week, so you can give 49 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,680 like maybe a quick just you know, elevator pitch two sentences, 50 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:21,879 three senses, a siloquy of what. 51 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: You no more than three sentences or you're kicked out? 52 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:26,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me when the dot happens. But yeah, a 53 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:28,319 little thought of what you thought last week, and then 54 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,240 what do you think about this week? 55 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 5: Down spoilers? 56 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, last week, yeah, Fisk found me and just kicked 57 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:41,560 the shit me leaked his secrets. Ben you're Ben Yarret. Yeah, 58 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:45,439 but yeah, I think last week was it was short, 59 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,400 but it was it was fun and there was some high, 60 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:52,479 high octane kind of tense moments in the courtroom and whatnot, 61 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:55,039 and then it just you know, I thought, oh, this 62 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,159 is great writing on a high note, and holy fuck, 63 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,840 that was definitely a high note for sure, because. 64 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: You like vigilant he's getting killed. That's a high note 65 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,960 for you. Yeah, yeah, your team Fisk. 66 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 4: I'm oh yeah, Fisk, I mean he's you know, he's 67 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,599 mayor for a reason. You know, he's making things happen. 68 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,919 No red tape for him. That's I love it. But no, 69 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,759 that's just that caught me off guard. I was really 70 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,520 really rooting for this guy, and he definitely had a 71 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,439 shitty hand that was dealt to him, and I just 72 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:25,719 my god. So I'm excited to kind of see more 73 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:29,879 about this realgue group that they've been show showcasing here 74 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,879 with these cops, you know. I mean, I I feel 75 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,000 like any cop that's gonna like turn his head into 76 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:37,280 courtroom like in last week's episode has a big fucking 77 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:41,000 punisher tattoo on his neck is like maybe subject for 78 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,319 a little bit of like a mental inspection or some 79 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:46,199 kind of psychological test or something like that. But hey, 80 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,639 I'm not police chief and house kitchens, so what do 81 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,560 I know. Yeah, it was a good episode. I really 82 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,800 I really did enjoy it. Getting to this week's episode, 83 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,680 I think, yeah, it's it's picked up, and I feel like, Okay, 84 00:04:01,759 --> 00:04:04,039 this is one chapter is kind of closed right now, 85 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,840 and now we've stepped into a new one. And while 86 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,840 they're definitely gonna keep continuing with certain things and certain 87 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:13,199 narrative components from the previous chapter, I feel like, Okay, 88 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,400 we're really just putting our toes into a whole new 89 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,920 thing because we've been introduced to a few new storylines 90 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,360 here and they're stepping into some some new rooms now 91 00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:24,160 and I'm excited to see where this is gonna kind 92 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,519 of go. And we're only on episode four. 93 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 5: What was the. 94 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 4: Episode counts again? 95 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 5: Is it nine? 96 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: So we're just about, you know, halfway through the season. 97 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:34,199 Speaker 3: And there's a doubler in there too, right another double week? 98 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:37,399 Speaker 4: Next week is the double Okay, Yeah, so it'll be 99 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:39,680 cool to see where we're gonna kind of go with this. 100 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,680 But hopefully hopefully they can kind of just not over 101 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:48,360 overwhelm with what they're what they're trying to do, because 102 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,639 uh again hopefully, I'm just I'm worried that maybe they 103 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,759 might introduce like too too much, too too much. I 104 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,720 just think, Okay, let's just what they've got right now. 105 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,160 Let's let's keep this going and see where this goes. 106 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:03,360 And yeah, I guess that's all I can really say 107 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:07,839 without spoiling any of the fiddle diddles. 108 00:05:07,879 --> 00:05:12,439 Speaker 1: So yeah, coming to a bakery near you, do mus 109 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:14,120 does dittle your fiddle this week. 110 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:17,319 Speaker 3: I don't want to continue this diddle fiddle thing. I'm 111 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,519 just gonna move past that. Yeah, I think that this 112 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,319 episode kind of is maybe the first episode here where 113 00:05:23,319 --> 00:05:25,879 I'm kind of just coasting off where I've been the 114 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,279 last few episodes, which is good. I'm really enjoying the 115 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,519 show so far. I think it kind of just continues 116 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:35,519 to be that the Fisk Mayor storyline. I'm not finding 117 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,879 super gripping, Like we got a few because last week 118 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,000 was a very centered episode on like kind of this 119 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,519 one storyline then a couple other small things, whereas this 120 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,879 one was like, Okay, we're visiting every character, everyone gets 121 00:05:44,879 --> 00:05:46,879 a little bit of something to do, and we did 122 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:50,040 get a decent amount of the Fisk Mayor sort of things, 123 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:52,560 and I'm just not loving it. Maybe it's like the 124 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:56,160 Dweeby sidekick guy that I'm not into, uh, or maybe 125 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,800 it's just the general trajectory or just doesn't feel there's 126 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,959 nothing about it that's like particular the gripping for me, 127 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,959 and it feels maybe a little disconnected from the other 128 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,720 parts of the show at this point in time. So 129 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:06,839 that still is kind of like maybe the week weak 130 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,319 spot for me, But otherwise I really enjoyed what we 131 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:13,079 got here, some good Fisk Vanessa stuff. There's a lot 132 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,920 that happens in this episode, but there's two scenes in 133 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:17,879 particular that were like really really great, really really fun scenes, 134 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:19,759 some teasing at some stuff that I don't know what 135 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:24,279 the heck is going on there, and there's a guy 136 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,000 in the thumbnail. I maybe i'll maybe I won't say 137 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,879 what's going on there, I guess for non spoiler stuff. 138 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,920 But I quite enjoyed the episode. I had had a 139 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:31,720 good time with it, and yeah, I felt a little 140 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,600 more meaty than last week's episode. Even though last week's 141 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,399 was good, it was just, you know, a little more centered. 142 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:38,639 But excited for this doubler next week. I think we'll 143 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,000 get a lot of progress and a lot of these storylines. 144 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 5: Mm hm. 145 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,639 Speaker 1: The only reason I gave hair clearance on the thumbnails 146 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:46,240 because Disney Plus had that character on. 147 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:47,519 Speaker 4: The thumb Travis insisted. 148 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:50,439 Speaker 5: I was like, okay, you open up Disney Plus. He'sist something, 149 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:52,839 all right, you can you can show uh iron man, 150 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:53,439 It's okay, you know. 151 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 3: As you guys know, I got home kind of late. 152 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:56,680 I'm like, I don't know if I canna miss this, 153 00:06:56,759 --> 00:06:58,199 but I saw that thumb. I'm like, okay, I gotta 154 00:06:58,199 --> 00:06:59,360 I gotta us of this episode. 155 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,519 Speaker 1: I gotta be on this episode, mister Pats. 156 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,319 Speaker 2: Or mister me. 157 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you say that like half the time, 158 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:16,319 I've never thought about a decade. 159 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,399 Speaker 2: Yes, mister me. 160 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,319 Speaker 6: I I feel like this episode was a little bit 161 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,519 of a dip down for me off of last week, 162 00:07:21,519 --> 00:07:24,879 but not really significant. I think there's some things in 163 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,480 here where I was really just questioning why we were 164 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:30,079 spending time on it, Like it's just like Man nine episodes, 165 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:32,839 Like we're really really focusing on this here, Like I 166 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:35,279 don't know, it just seemed like it It's almost like 167 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:39,199 a filler episode at at portions of it. However, you know, 168 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:41,519 some saucy things go on in the back half, and 169 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:44,079 uh I was. I was juicing up on it, and 170 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,040 even in the moment when when we're maybe having certain 171 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:53,720 scenes with Matt and and whoever. Uh it, it felt 172 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:55,959 a little bit sidetracking, a little bit side questy, but 173 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:58,040 I was still loving what was going on. Like I 174 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:00,360 think Charlie Cox is just still so fantastic in this 175 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,319 loytery type role. I was just having maybe a hard 176 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:07,639 time seeing the connection to like what what the focus 177 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,600 of a certain case is to like just the overall storyline. 178 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,759 And then I don't know, so some things come out 179 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:15,519 of it, but so for the most part, still positive, 180 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,000 but I think just a little bit of a step 181 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,079 down from last week. However, I kind of forgot the 182 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,279 next week was a doubler and that gets me really excited, 183 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:27,040 just with how we leave off here and uh yeah, no, 184 00:08:27,079 --> 00:08:30,040 it's just it's gonna be it's gonna be bloody. I 185 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,519 would expect in the in the next two episodes here 186 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,440 and h the Fisk stuff. 187 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:35,919 Speaker 5: I don't know. 188 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,279 Speaker 2: I yeah, I don't know. Well, I maybe I'll. 189 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,759 Speaker 6: Save it for the spoilers because I kind of want 190 00:08:40,759 --> 00:08:42,799 to just unravel all my thoughts at once. But uh, 191 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,440 maybe mostly negative. I would say on on on Fisk 192 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,679 right now in this show, and yeah, I'll leave it there, 193 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,960 but still enjoying it overall, still hopeful for for next week. 194 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,919 But I will say I feel like where I'm feeling 195 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:00,159 right now, I don't think this show is like a 196 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:02,639 safe pass for me, Like I I definitely could see 197 00:09:02,639 --> 00:09:06,000 them fumbling this hard. Uh the end of the season. 198 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:09,559 It is a two season er, so like maybe maybe 199 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,000 I should hold out hope, but I think just uh, yeah, 200 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:13,919 I don't know. 201 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: Just that sounds like a big potential to climb from 202 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:18,200 last week. Last week, you were love the show, so 203 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,320 the fact that you could potentially s. 204 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 6: My favorite episode. It was just like what we got 205 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,840 this week. I felt like a major drop off until 206 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,159 until something's happened. But still it wasn't enough to really Yeah, 207 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,240 I don't know. I'm speaking in riddles on myself here. 208 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:34,799 I just want to save it for spoilers. But okay, yeah, 209 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,879 it's like a it's like a limp thumbs up right now. 210 00:09:38,799 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: I guess I'll get it. 211 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:42,039 Speaker 1: The classic is that the episode of the whole show 212 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,159 right now is the limp thumbs up. 213 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: Whole show right now will show. 214 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,519 Speaker 5: Okay, it's a flask limp. 215 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 2: In the yeah direction. 216 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 5: Well, it's that's good to know. 217 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,639 Speaker 3: Great, I like that more than the number system. That's 218 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,879 good to me. How were wrecked or flaccid? 219 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,159 Speaker 5: Is your thumb? Where are you on the how many 220 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,759 films flaccid? I'm a cold winter's day on this one. Boys. 221 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: It's funny this review series because last week Kirkland Dylan 222 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:11,960 were much higher on it, and then I feel like 223 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,279 this week sounds like it's a little ho hummer. This 224 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,519 is good, this is bad, you know, et cetera. For me, 225 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,279 this is like easily the best episode of the season, 226 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,480 Like clears the rest of them by far. Yes, there 227 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:26,240 is a character that I absolutely love that they nailed, 228 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:28,000 so there could be some of that, But I think 229 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,919 in general, I talk about the fifth stuff because I 230 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:33,720 feel like that was we've talked about the past three weeks, 231 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:35,559 so like, Okay, which way are they going with this? 232 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:37,159 Speaker 5: What's the motivation here? 233 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: And I think they fully showed their hand of like okay, 234 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:41,240 not in a bad way, like this is what the 235 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:42,759 design is and here we are. 236 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 5: And if you question things about him the. 237 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: Past few weeks, you were right too, because X Y 238 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,720 and Z I this Actually think I liked the most 239 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:54,840 at him and Vanessa therapy. I don't think I've ever 240 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,120 really disliked it. I know lots of people actually do. 241 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,919 But I feel like, Okay, I like Vanessa, the storyline, 242 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,480 the character, like the actress. I like their connection. I'm 243 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,840 seeing what we're doing here, and I thought this was 244 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:06,639 the best scene. Charlie Cox for me was like, it's 245 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,840 tough because that foggy death see in the first episode. 246 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:11,600 That was some great acting, but that didn't bring me 247 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,080 to tears. I teared up in this episode because of 248 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,519 Charlie Cox, also because another person as well, but man 249 00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:19,679 did he bring it. And I'm excited to talk about 250 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,679 the connections because I feel like for me it was 251 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,519 like a perfect line of what's going on other than 252 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,720 maybe one story, but there's something that I can maybe 253 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,120 revealed there too, So for me, it was all click. 254 00:11:29,159 --> 00:11:30,799 And this was the first time I felt like, Okay, 255 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,480 each episode, I've loved some things, and really maybe not 256 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,320 each episode. Last week I really disliked that one, But 257 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:40,039 this week gave me a lot more hope than I 258 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,639 ever had because episode one was that weird, Okay, it's Netflix, 259 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,320 Disney plus combo. This episode two was all right, we're 260 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,919 kind of still getting in the swing of things and 261 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:50,919 little stuff like I think we talked about this. I 262 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:55,120 don't mind spoiling this little aspect where with Karen and 263 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,799 Foggy being gone one way or another. I didn't like 264 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:01,000 the new lawyer and the new cop being part of 265 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:04,120 the episode. I very much appreciate in this episode that 266 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,200 that lawyer friend or whoever Matt works with called them 267 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,039 once I had a conversation and that was it for 268 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:10,879 That's exactly what I want. I no disrespect to the actors, 269 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:13,120 and we didn't even see the cop character like that's 270 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,039 what I want. I'm completely fine with that with Foggy 271 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:18,639 and Karen being gone. If their roles they have some 272 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:20,440 oh this guy's gonna get a see episode, this guy's 273 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,120 getting seene episode. That's it. Like this is what I need. 274 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:26,320 Focus on that, focus on Fisk. I don't need the others, 275 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,759 maybe even be the Yurick sure, but this was like, okay, 276 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:30,960 we're the other weeks. I felt like, man, this was 277 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,639 just Karen Foggy and you don't have them back. So yeah, 278 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:35,840 all my kind of problems I had were gone. I'm 279 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,440 not saying like, oh, I'm completely I'm on board. I mean, like, 280 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,200 I don't think I'm completely like, oh, this show is 281 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,600 now going to be leveling Netflix stair Leuvel. No, because 282 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:46,960 I think there's some storylines I gotta see play out, 283 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,399 and the other episodes I thought, you know, had some issues, 284 00:12:49,399 --> 00:12:51,720 but this one, for me, was fantastic and I'm very 285 00:12:51,799 --> 00:12:54,399 excited for some some things to come up, and they 286 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,519 were going and I think this delivered a top three 287 00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:01,519 Netflix stair doubl scene including the history including the other 288 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:02,600 stuff of Jessa Jones. 289 00:13:02,919 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 5: It was it was up there. I think he even 290 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:05,879 beat the Fisk diner scene. 291 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,279 Speaker 1: So I absolutely loved that segment and I'm very excited 292 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:09,879 to talk about it. 293 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 5: So anything else non spoilers. 294 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: Not a all right, So if you haven't seen it, 295 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:17,679 come back the episode. 296 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 5: We'll be waiting for you because after this break, we're 297 00:13:19,759 --> 00:13:21,879 gonna break it down. So we'll beat right back. 298 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,159 Speaker 1: And we are back. So we've been tiptoeing around and everything. Right, 299 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:31,960 let's just talk about it, Andy, No, I'm joking. John 300 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:35,159 birth Also, we had known him before he was back. 301 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:37,720 You should go and read his Entertainment Weekly interview. He 302 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:40,000 did a good interview that just dropped right out this episode. 303 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,919 Talked about how they originally pitched and a comeback and 304 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:44,600 then the original show he turned it down because he 305 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:46,840 did not like what they're doing for Frank Castle, and 306 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:48,600 then it led to like new writers, and then they 307 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,240 pitched him and they wanted to see, like what did 308 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:50,679 he think? 309 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:51,919 Speaker 5: And that's how the special. 310 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:53,639 Speaker 1: Start too, because he was writing some stuff about the 311 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,840 character and he's like, oh, what if we did this? 312 00:13:55,919 --> 00:13:57,639 Speaker 5: And I'm very excited, he said. 313 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: He's described the special as Punscher turning his back on 314 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:03,279 the fans, just like, oh my god, like that that's special. 315 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,240 Next year is gonna get real fucking gross and dirty. 316 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,480 He even said that like we're going hard Punishers, Like 317 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:10,480 I cannot wait. 318 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 4: But I think, what does that mean fans? 319 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 5: I think in the. 320 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,039 Speaker 1: Way kind of like they I think lots of people 321 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,039 look at Punisher, and I think it's similar to the 322 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,039 way the cops are on this where they glorify Punisher, 323 00:14:21,039 --> 00:14:23,039 where it's like, oh, he's a gun toting badass, right, 324 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,639 but it's really like he's a character that suffers from 325 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,039 big psychological damage and issues and he's a very He's 326 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:29,279 one of the. 327 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:30,639 Speaker 5: Sads Kombo characters all time. 328 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: But I don't think people when they wear that skull logo, 329 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:34,480 that's not what they represent. 330 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 5: They're thinking of like Frank cast. 331 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: So with the skull and he has a battle van 332 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,440 and he's shooting stuff, like, I think that's what he means, 333 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,600 like and even describe the special he says it's gonna 334 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,960 be about how psychologically tortured Frank is. So I think 335 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,799 that's what he means by back on the fans, it's 336 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:50,039 people that think like, oh, yeah, Punisher, he's a badass. 337 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:51,279 Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, but you. 338 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: Would never want to be the Punisher, right, it's the 339 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,039 same thing. It's not the same level. But you wouln't 340 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:57,600 want to be Batman because that comes with like childhood 341 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,519 trauma and all this stuff. Right, So I think that's 342 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:01,039 what he's kind of getting at, and I think that 343 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,320 ties into the cop stuff. 344 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 5: Kirkle wants his parents dead, So that's fine. 345 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 4: That's what I think. If you want to be punisher, 346 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,720 like you ought, that just means, Okay, you have to 347 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:13,639 lose the wife and the kid. You can't just like 348 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:16,240 train and like you just get buffed and like just 349 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:17,000 be a badass. 350 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,399 Speaker 1: And that's punisher comes with all the depression and the 351 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,200 pain that comes with it. 352 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:21,759 Speaker 5: So that's what it's like. 353 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:24,159 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you could be this badass that doesn't die, 354 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,600 could win every scenario, but yeah, tell your entire family 355 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:27,399 is to die in front of you. 356 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:29,879 Speaker 5: You know you want that, you want to be Oh. 357 00:15:29,879 --> 00:15:31,879 Speaker 4: No, I'm not, I'm not. Is the one who is. 358 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: He Batman? 359 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:37,039 Speaker 1: Okay, hear that, Linn, you hear that, Linn. Curkle will 360 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:41,120 get you, let you get gunned down. She'll He'll let 361 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,919 you get gun down alley for some money, you know. 362 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:45,759 But I think I think this is for people that 363 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,480 were around the Netflix era, and it's for Dylan as well. 364 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:50,639 It might be repetitive. I don't know if I had 365 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:53,679 decided or I was always mulling it over, but I 366 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:56,240 could confidently say, like, and maybe this is a cast 367 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:58,639 we should do at some point. My top three for 368 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:02,360 combo cast endeavor is Ledger Jackman, and it's definitely Bernenthal 369 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,720 in this scene. I do not feel like I'm watching 370 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:07,279 John Bernall. This is Punisher ripped off the fucking page 371 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:09,960 and he's there. And I sometimes feel that with Charlie 372 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 cox Ender and off. But sometimes I always feel like, oh, 373 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,559 this is great acting. This is is like, that's not 374 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:18,000 birth Now, that is Frank Castle and man, that scene 375 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:21,360 was just ten out of ten home run everything about it. 376 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:24,440 John Birthnall like shows his versatilities, Like at first when 377 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,080 they start the scene, he's kind of like mocking them all, 378 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:28,159 kind of like a little more comedic, and then he's 379 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,559 like getting rageful at him. He's giving this big speech, 380 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:33,360 and then at the end he's broken. He's like shattered 381 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:35,559 when Matt talks about how they can't become decent men, 382 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,799 and he just looks like he's lost. Like everything you 383 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,559 have to do as an actor. Watch this John Burnhall 384 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:43,720 scene of my God. I have more to say, but 385 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,279 just so good have him back. I was gonna wait 386 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,039 to watch the show to the next year, close to special. 387 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,120 I'm gonna start that rewatch like next week here, because 388 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:53,399 fuck man, he's so good. But he is, like he 389 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:55,679 is up there with those grades as far as like 390 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,399 best combo casting ever period drop. 391 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:03,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. 392 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:06,519 Speaker 3: I mean I love that scene. It's uh, it was 393 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,119 so good to have him back. And I guess that 394 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:11,039 that was like in the trailer or a teaser or 395 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,440 something right, like just like him stabbing the lock or 396 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,519 whatever it is. But I mean it was funny because 397 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:17,640 it's like it is a very emotional scene, but like 398 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,319 I was also laughing a little bit just because like 399 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,559 him calling him red and like doing the voice and 400 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:24,519 like stabbing shit. It's just it's like all these things 401 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:26,200 that I feel like we've been meming on for years 402 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:28,519 of the performance, which is you know, part part of 403 00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:30,440 the rage of it. But yeah, he is just an 404 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,680 insanely good actor. The amount of like depth he has, 405 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,359 the amount that like, you know, years ago we talked 406 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,079 a lot about like I acting and like all these 407 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,440 are the good like Tom Hardy and stuff. But Bernhal 408 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,279 he is so insanely good just with like the little 409 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,039 subtleties as well. And I think this was particularly fun because, yeah, 410 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:49,839 especially with Foggy and Karen, I mean, they're here briefly, 411 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,680 but now that they're gone, there aren't a lot of 412 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,240 people that really know Matt and Slash dared of like 413 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,599 on on this level. You know, he's getting to know 414 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:00,720 this psych hi, this therapist lady, and they're kind of dating. 415 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:03,680 He has other friends and people he's connected with, but like, 416 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,799 I don't know, Punisher can just like dig way deeper 417 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,640 into him and kind of like dismantle his thoughts before 418 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,160 he even gets to say them. It's kind of like 419 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,480 in the opposite of how Matt, with his kind of 420 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:15,720 extra sensory abilities, is always kind of like a step 421 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,799 ahead of other people, reading in their intentions or knowing 422 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:21,000 more about them than they maybe even know about themselves 423 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:23,599 or they wouldn't expect him to know. And Punish is 424 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:25,240 able to do that just because he spent so much 425 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:27,480 time with him and he kind of understands the mentality 426 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:29,440 that a lot of this comes with the vigilante lifestyle 427 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,400 and all that. And I think it was just so 428 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,680 good that he was like kind of coaxing him a 429 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,480 little bit, kind of pulling him and pushing him off 430 00:18:35,559 --> 00:18:39,119 balance constantly, and in a way that wasn't a fight scene, 431 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,599 you know, it was just like purely just I don't know, 432 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,599 a mental fight scene, you know, going at him, And yeah, 433 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,559 it was. It was thrilling. The only thing is, like, 434 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,079 I don't know what this means for how much he'll 435 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:51,440 be in the rest of the season. I almost feel 436 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,240 like just this one seems so powerful that could kick 437 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,839 Daredevil like doing his own thing, and like, I don't 438 00:18:56,839 --> 00:18:59,240 know how much more punishing you need to fuel that. 439 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,680 Like I feel like we kind of got that, But 440 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,559 I'm curious to see what else he did because obviously 441 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:05,160 there's the element of him not loving that there's all 442 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,839 these people that are kind of doing things under his name, 443 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,799 and we'll see what kind of revenge tail he goes 444 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:12,480 on there. But either way, even just like obviously at 445 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,960 the end of the episode, Matt's back on the roof 446 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:16,720 practicing and all that, so it definitely fired him up. 447 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:19,480 So yeah, it was such a great scene, especially after 448 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:21,480 all these years, you know, because now we've had a 449 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:23,119 few weeks of this show being back, but it's still 450 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,359 been many years since we've had Punisher back, so it 451 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,319 feels good to finally have Bernhal here. 452 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: He's at least in one more episode that I know, 453 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,880 and I think it's gonna be juicy. 454 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's some good stuff. 455 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 2: And what I want to it's on Disney already. 456 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's on for episode eight and like ripping some of. 457 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,599 Speaker 1: Apart and what you said Dylan that I don't I 458 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,960 want to say before I forget even Matt hit him, 459 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,640 but he didn't hit him back. That I thought for 460 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:46,960 sure Frank was gonna start throwing fist, but he didn't. 461 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:49,359 Right when Matt apologized, he pulled back. So it's like 462 00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:51,119 you could have got like a mini fight scene and 463 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,599 done the classic like okay, two minutes they square off 464 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,200 and then go back to talking. But I almost liked 465 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,880 that better where that's not what punishers looking for. At 466 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,279 a Matt, he's trying to get him back in you know, 467 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,359 that Halloween costume in a sense, you know, because there 468 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,680 are two sides of the same coin, just the only 469 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,440 like they pretty much have very similar mindsets. The only 470 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:10,559 difference is Matt does not want to kill people we're 471 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:12,960 Punisher has absolutely I won't say he has no problem, 472 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:13,799 but he knows that's what. 473 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:22,839 Speaker 5: Needs to be done, you know, mm hmm, chills, glad you. 474 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,759 I'm glad you hit it. I was gonna hit it, but. 475 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 6: No, that was that was pretty much me this entire scene. 476 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,920 I completely agree with everything you guys already brought up. 477 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,359 This is uh. I feel like I was just so 478 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,200 shocked on like how ten out of ten Berenthal was 479 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,200 like in this scene. 480 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 2: I think Charlie Cox has been fantastic. 481 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:45,279 Speaker 6: I had some issues at the start of the show 482 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,160 just because I felt like I just finished the season 483 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,000 three of Daredevil jumping right into this show, and so 484 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,240 like right away I just noticed, like I don't know, 485 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:56,920 Charlie had like a little bit more wrinkles than maybe 486 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,079 he did in that last seat, Like there's just something 487 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,039 like a little bit off, Like now, yeah, he's he's 488 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,400 he's he's hitting the stride a hundred percent with where 489 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,559 he was in that character. But I think for John Burnhal, 490 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,240 like it literally feels like he's been plucked out, you know, 491 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,960 he got pulled through hell a few times. He's looking terrible, 492 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,920 he's got he's all beaten up, dirty, he's got the 493 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,240 long hair, with the beard. He looks even more jacked 494 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:18,440 than he did like back then, like he's he's just 495 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,640 he he looks so stellar. And then the performance overall 496 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:23,400 was just yeah, it was ten to ten. 497 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:24,519 Speaker 4: I chills. 498 00:21:25,319 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 6: I won't play the video again, but I like that 499 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:29,799 was me pretty much the whole scene. I one hundred 500 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:31,559 percent thought it was gonna be like a hand to 501 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:34,279 hand fight scene. Then both get bloody, and that's and 502 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:36,359 the and then they get like maybe heart to heart. 503 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:37,799 Speaker 2: I think it's so much more powerful. 504 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 6: You guys already said it, but it's so much more 505 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,559 powerful that it wasn't like a fistfight in that sense. 506 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,079 It was just like a battle of the of the 507 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,319 speech and uh yeah, no I I I don't think 508 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,279 they could have done that scene like any better. The 509 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:52,880 way that Matt just out of like like he was 510 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,759 trying so hard to like pull or like not throw punches, 511 00:21:56,839 --> 00:21:59,079 but then like he just kept pushing him, pushing him, 512 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:02,640 and then finally just like reacted pretty fucking solid punch. Yeah, 513 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,240 And like Frank just barely reacts. He's just such a 514 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,640 he's just such a stone stone wall of a man. 515 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:10,559 Speaker 4: But Yeah. 516 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 6: I think it was so powerful the way that they're 517 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:16,119 both like getting emotional and tearing up at various stages. 518 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,079 Just the stuff that they're talking about, the way that 519 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,799 they were just again like comparing themselves of putting them 520 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:25,160 in that category. I loved how Matt said like specifically 521 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:28,599 people like us, not just like like yeah, he's always 522 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,720 had an issue with with the Punisher's methods because he's 523 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,720 straight up killing people. All of Season two is pretty 524 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:36,519 much about that conflict. But still here like Matt is 525 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:39,960 realizing that like he's a sinner also like like he 526 00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:42,400 puts him in the same category as Frank, And yeah, 527 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:44,920 I think it was just so great the way that 528 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,839 they were talking about like Foggy, Bullseye, all that stuff. 529 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: It was it was phenomenal. 530 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,799 Speaker 5: I Yeah. 531 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: Even him going to Frank and almost trying to coax 532 00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:57,240 him to go back on the streets is like sure, 533 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,960 Matt's not killing people, but like in a sense he's 534 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,640 pointing the gun like he's telling Frank to go out there. 535 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,960 And that's why I love Frank call him out like oh, 536 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,920 there's something you want to ask me, Like there's something 537 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,480 you want to do, but you want me to do it. 538 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:10,160 So it's like and that's why I think it fits 539 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,119 so perfectly with Matt training on the roof, because like 540 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,279 Frank doesn't give it to him, because Frank could like 541 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:16,400 solve the problem and go take out these cops and 542 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,279 kill everybody, which I think he will eventually join up, 543 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:21,079 because Frank's gonna be looking at that bullet for days 544 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,160 and eventually he's gonna stam the art I'm getting out there. 545 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,880 But I think in the meantime, it's like, oh, like 546 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,319 that was almost Matt's like last resort. It's like, Okay, 547 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,279 it's either I suit up or I get Frank, and 548 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,960 that's awful, But like, I'm just gonna go talk to Frank. 549 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,759 Speaker 5: I love it. Frank just calls him out and just 550 00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:37,559 calls him being pathetic of like. 551 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,799 Speaker 1: Oh you you know, you just don't have the backbone 552 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,839 to do it, and it's just like, oh, and Matt 553 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,160 can't really say he's wrong. I don't think Matt's gonna 554 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,519 go out killing cops and everything, but that's what he 555 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,960 was kind of willing to resort to to not put 556 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:49,960 that outfit back on. 557 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, didn't know. 558 00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 6: I love the way that he calls him out he 559 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,160 is like, I don't think that you actually came here, 560 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,440 you know, for this specific reason. Yeah, like it's something 561 00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:02,720 else and just because you know they've they're similar in 562 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:05,000 different ways, like Frank's just able to fully see you 563 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:07,799 right through it. And I honestly was expecting it to 564 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,839 go way differently, like I thought when Frank would have 565 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,759 caught wind of just like the copycat punishers out there, 566 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,799 he would have gotten a lot more heated. 567 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: But uh, it's just so much better the way that 568 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:21,200 it played out because he didn't care. 569 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,599 Speaker 1: He just brushed it right off, whether he actually doesn't 570 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,599 care or he just did that to fuck with Matt, 571 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,599 because it's like I think he does care. 572 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 5: He's gonna, like I said, sit and look at that thing. 573 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,559 Speaker 1: And one thing I did like that they established was 574 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,359 you guys, when you reach the show next year, you'll realize. 575 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,640 But anytime Frank has the long hair and the beer, 576 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,319 like I said, he's retired, but they said he's not retired. 577 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:40,839 Because Dared I was like, what are you down here 578 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,759 plotting your next skill? He's like, yeah, I am. I 579 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,519 even put on the subtitles because when he yelled, I 580 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:47,440 did not understand what Frank was saying, but the subtitle said, yeah, 581 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,279 he like he agreed that he was plotting a kill. 582 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,759 So I'm not sure if that could even be the 583 00:24:50,839 --> 00:24:54,119 special that whatever Frank's weighing on that's how we get. 584 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,759 Speaker 5: To but I like that it was he has some 585 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,240 plan and he's going after somebody. 586 00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:01,079 Speaker 1: It's not just he's hermited somewhere and like, I'm not 587 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,680 gonna kill me, but it's like that's like for me punishers, 588 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:05,559 Like he's killing people till he's dead. So I like 589 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,440 that they did establish he's not retired. He's just doing 590 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:10,319 his own thing under round. I guess I don't know 591 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:10,839 what that is. 592 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,519 Speaker 6: But well, he had like a full war board behind 593 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:15,839 him with like people's photos and x'ed out and everything, 594 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,559 so and like he's all bloody even before Mad hit him. 595 00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:21,160 So like, yeah, I'm assuming he's doing some work and 596 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,599 some some punishment of his own. And he even highlights 597 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,720 that with talking about like hearing his boy and like 598 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,319 even when he's quiet, nothing's going on, Like he hears 599 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,480 his boy in his head basically tell him go out 600 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,279 there and got them on. 601 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, go get him, daddy, And uh sounds weird when 602 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,440 I say that, but he literally said that though, that's 603 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,200 what he says, like like he because of that dialogue, right. 604 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, today, what did you think? 605 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: I mean? 606 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,079 Speaker 4: I think he's just he's freaking fantastic and I'm excited 607 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,720 more so now than ever to get into the like 608 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:56,440 his two season show and just see what he's he's 609 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,960 up to and there. But uh, yeah, he's he was 610 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,000 definitely catching me off guard when Matt was going down 611 00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:07,759 below and just stumbled upon him and uh, he almost 612 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:15,519 got his head. But yeah, he's just he's such an 613 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,960 interesting He's such an interesting character because at this stage 614 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,119 of the game, like we've seen him bridge like a 615 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,920 few little bit of connections to their characters. But I 616 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,119 never I felt like his relationship with Matt was always 617 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:35,039 it was very conflicting, is and my only interaction between 618 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,440 the two of them is with that season two. I 619 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:39,039 don't know if he appears in Defenders. 620 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: And that's one thing I was gonna say that they 621 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,160 confirmed her in the show. They never confirmed that Punisher 622 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:46,119 knows that Matt is Daredevil, but here. 623 00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:46,759 Speaker 5: They confirmed that. 624 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: That was my next question. 625 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, even in season two, when you rewatch it, you 626 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,559 can see Punisher like look at Matt a little bit differently, 627 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:53,759 but they never outright say. 628 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,599 Speaker 1: It's kind of like the Antimetob maguire thing of like 629 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,880 does she noticed she not on this full long because 630 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,880 even that preview they didn't show that. 631 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 5: They could have just been like, oh. 632 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,559 Speaker 1: It's Matt as the lawyer going to Frank asking him 633 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:07,880 to do these terrible things, right, but no, he full 634 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,480 on knew he was read and daredevil and all that stuff. 635 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,559 Speaker 5: So yeah, they never confirmed that. 636 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: Now it's confirmed that he knows that Matt Murdock stared up, 637 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,200 which not but Frank really gives a shit, like he's 638 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,440 not gonna go out there and post it. 639 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,079 Speaker 3: Like Frank again, feel like in my memory he already 640 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,559 knew that. So that's funny though, Yeah, kind of assumed that. 641 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because they never because when they when he 642 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,839 is arrested and the lawyer stuff happens, it's more Foggy 643 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,559 and Karen that look after him because Frank or Matt's 644 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:33,880 busy with the hand and Electra, so they don't actually 645 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,000 interact that much as like lawyer and Frank like madden him. 646 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:39,599 Speaker 5: It's more just that. But yeah, it's which I kind 647 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:41,200 of like, I liked that we didn't need some big scene. 648 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: Rightno, it's like I could like punishers should be smart 649 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,359 enough to put two and two together, especially like Matt 650 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,279 Murroch became his lawyer too, so he could have like 651 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,720 heard a guy's voice, seen a little thing and go. 652 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,279 Speaker 5: Okay, like something's up with this blind lawyer. You know, 653 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,720 he ain't who he says he is. 654 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 4: So m hm, well said, I was trying to skim 655 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,079 through and just see what was actually on the board 656 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,359 behind Frank, but it's hard to see because the scene 657 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:12,400 keeps focusing out off the on him. Yeah, but it 658 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,799 just looks like there's a bunch of there's a bunch 659 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:19,200 of people's faces with like shouts to scrawls in this 660 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,119 episode two actually, but yeah, a lot of people just 661 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,559 seem to have red x's on their faces. And there's 662 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,880 like one person's body and like a bathtub and uh, 663 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,160 just the map where he's got a photo or there's 664 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,559 just a it's a photo of a person that's. 665 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,039 Speaker 5: Like at I'm sorry, just took out the mole boss. 666 00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:39,759 You want to see him. 667 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 4: I'm sure someone will be able to like cross reference 668 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:43,680 the map of New York, but it looks like all 669 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,279 the strings are pointing into like one specific location though, 670 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:48,960 that he's got bored. 671 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's looking for Spider Man. 672 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 4: So and do we not think he's like his big 673 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:55,400 person he's trying to kill his kingpin here. 674 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:01,319 Speaker 1: No, because I think as he's Mayor, he might let 675 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,200 that kind of play out and see what's gonna happen. 676 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:05,400 It could be, but that's why I feel like it's 677 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,559 gonna be something to do with that special. Honestly, when 678 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:11,640 they wrote the show, they probably had no idea. May 679 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,599 they made any plant out seeds? But I think you'll 680 00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:16,559 get that answer. But maybe it could be fisted. That 681 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:19,599 would be like a fun reveal of it actually being fist, 682 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:22,480 especially when we get to fist later. Seems like he's 683 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,599 already breaking bad or has like, you know, was he 684 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,599 ever really a good Mayor? 685 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 5: Who knows that thing where? 686 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: Maybe he is doing that I don't know, or I 687 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,680 don't know so, maybe he's going after a fucking el Noir, 688 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,039 you know, from Hawkey, I don't. 689 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,279 Speaker 3: Know so, or maybe this freaking blood guy, this blood 690 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:39,359 bandit that we got. 691 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 5: Use Yeah, I muse, Yeah, I'll talk about him in 692 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,000 a second. What was gonna say? 693 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, the scene that got me was when Matt eventually 694 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,119 did say, Foggy and he's just crying. 695 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,319 Speaker 5: You got the glasses going on. 696 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: And then Punishure's not crying, but like he looks very emotional, 697 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,200 Like he looks like it's his version of crying, Like 698 00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:58,680 Frank can't cry anymore, but he can just stoically look 699 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,559 at you. And like I said, and he said, like 700 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,680 no matter. We could live ten lifetimes and never be 701 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:05,240 as decent as Foggy Nelson. And when he leaves and 702 00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:08,200 Punisher's like looking around everything, he kind of looks like 703 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,960 that cast I like, what the fuck am I doing here? 704 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,359 Like he looked like he questioned everything in that moment. 705 00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:15,160 Not that I think he's gonna retire, but I think 706 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,599 he just again thinks he's doing the right thing, but 707 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,319 then he thinks about it. Really it's like, man, maybe 708 00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:22,480 I'm not or if even if it's my version of 709 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,440 the right thing, it's not overall the right thing that 710 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,000 would get you in the pearly gates of heaven. So 711 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,119 I just love that and end with him like walking 712 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,759 around like, yeah, I get the fuck out of here, 713 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:32,240 like he was like like just shell shocked. 714 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 5: And I love that. 715 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: And again, this is why me and Emily had a 716 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,480 good giggle because I've said this many times in cast 717 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:39,640 I'm for the death penalty. 718 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 5: She's not. She's maybe turned a little bit over time. 719 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:43,319 But when Frank gave his. 720 00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: Whole speech, he's like, oh, on bull's eye, he is 721 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,480 walking around, he's eating his slop, he's breathing the same 722 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:50,160 air that you are. We just had a laugh because 723 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,160 like that's the same. That's why I'm a big punish 724 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,640 for fans, Like the same argument I have of like, yeah, 725 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,319 back goes, Oh well, I got him for life, and 726 00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,240 he's like for life, Like what about Foggy Nelson's life. 727 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:00,839 Speaker 5: It's the same thing. 728 00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:04,599 Speaker 1: Sure, bullseyes in a prison somewhere, but like he gets 729 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,839 to eat food, he gets to jack off, he gets 730 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,079 to watch TV. He still gets to do all these 731 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,720 things where it's like Foggy's fucking dead, even though there's. 732 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 5: Another hint that he might not be dead in this episode, 733 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,079 but like he's dead. 734 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,599 Speaker 1: So that's why again I'm a big punisher guy, because 735 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,799 I'm I'm for the the DP. 736 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,079 Speaker 5: All the way. 737 00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:22,559 Speaker 4: Careful you know what comes with that. You gotta get 738 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:27,000 your family killed and no, no, I mean in the. 739 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,079 Speaker 1: Way like if I was on the bb Eurock Report. 740 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,119 I wouldn't be like be like, yeah, he's doing good work. 741 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 4: You got to punish your tattoo on your neck. 742 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 5: No, No, I don't know. 743 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,079 Speaker 3: Would be for the death penalty though, so maybe you'd 744 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:41,680 be seen as like a fisk boy if you were. 745 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I specifically say the punish your death penalty, you know. 746 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: But yeah, no, and even though vigilant in the streets, 747 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:51,759 so you prefer that exactly. 748 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: Because he's he's look at that board, he's definitely doing 749 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,319 his homework. You know, he's gonna go off to the 750 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,920 really bad guys. Well that's one thing. He never killed 751 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,519 anyone innocent in the show, so I trust for he 752 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:01,480 knows what he's doing. 753 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: You know, So kind of perspective. But yeah, I mean 754 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,160 to your point too, like the fact that like, okay, 755 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,519 him reconsidering, like is what I'm doing the right way? 756 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,279 It's like, Okay, all these years later, now we're like 757 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,079 five Maybe he was snapped, so maybe he was gone 758 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,119 for five years. But either way, it's like years and 759 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,839 years of him doing this shit already, he's still doing 760 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,799 it and there's still as seemingly just as many shitty 761 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:24,960 people out there, and so much like the same amount 762 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,160 of injustice. So I'm sure that it's like part of 763 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,440 the reconsideration too of like, yes, am I doing anything here? 764 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,960 Am I making any difference? Or is my presence especially 765 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,279 now with the cop thing and like people following in 766 00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,079 that message and then like being even more radicalized, Like 767 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,200 is that making it worse? In fact? And so I 768 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:43,240 think once again, just the subtle acting from Bernhal to 769 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,240 be able to portray you that even though he didn't 770 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,920 really voice those thoughts. I think just once again shows 771 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,799 like one how well written the scene was, considering it's 772 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,400 only like I don't know, three or four minutes long 773 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,000 or something, whatever it is. And then yeah, the fact 774 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,400 that he can kind of pull that off without without 775 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,240 the dialogue is super strong. So really exciting see what 776 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,720 they do with that character in the rest of this season. 777 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:04,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we got fucking Doomsday next year, but 778 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,319 like no pun in ten with a bullet, I feel 779 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,480 like I'm more excited for the special than Doomsday right 780 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,119 now to see fifty two to an hour ten of 781 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,519 Frank Castle doing whatever, and even in an interview they're like, oh, 782 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,319 what's the future raft I go, oh, I don't want 783 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:17,799 to say anything. 784 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 5: But you know, I'm happy, but they're out, We're going. 785 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:20,920 I hope people watch. 786 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,359 Speaker 3: That special secret he's like hinting towards Secret Wars or. 787 00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: Something that'd be great. Oh man, get him next to 788 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:28,480 Hugh Jackman. Fuck, you're gonna I'm gonna be doing chills 789 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,000 in the theater. But like like I said, Marvel, I 790 00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:33,160 hope the special works and give me a nice thirty 791 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,359 to sixty million. 792 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,319 Speaker 5: Rated R movie. 793 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,119 Speaker 1: Make a low budget punishing movie put in theaters and 794 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:40,400 just have people flocked like John Wick style, but with 795 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,599 Frank Castle, Like, oh my god, So anything else. 796 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 5: Punisher Frank Castle related, I think not. 797 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely anytime, cause I think I think he's literally gonna 798 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,000 put on the skull and bones just to I don't 799 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,559 think he because he even says, where do get me? 800 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 5: I think he doesn't feel like he needs to wear that. 801 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,759 Speaker 1: But I think, like I said a couple ofps ago, 802 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,400 he's gonna feel like he has to take it back 803 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,639 so he doesn't need a spray painted jacket. But he's 804 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,559 gonna do that to show people like, Okay, this is 805 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,679 what the Punisher actually is. Who's like a fucking cop 806 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,239 murderer and bad guy murder, and then this is what 807 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,280 the police should be. There should be distinction. It should 808 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,119 not be the same melding pot of cops and you 809 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,599 know everything like that same thing. I'm for the death penalty, 810 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,360 but I'm not for the cops like going on like 811 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,679 design their judge injury right, and I feel like Frank. 812 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 5: Should do that. 813 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: So my my last point that I wanted to think 814 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:32,960 about this was so when he found the casing of 815 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,920 the bullet and then he's like walking, I'm where he's going. 816 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,840 And then obviously he puts it down and he's like, oh, look, 817 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,320 look looks like it's one of yours. So clearly Matt 818 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,719 like felt the logo and knows where Frank is, which 819 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,280 again it's funny because in the original series, even after 820 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,320 Punisher got out, he was like, oh, you got to 821 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,679 go back to prison. So Matt knows where he is, 822 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,880 and he's not telling anybody to arrest Frank Castle. He's 823 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,400 just letting Castle do his stuff. So that's kind of change. 824 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,599 Speaker 3: Confused, surprised by that, Yeah, I find him. 825 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, so he clearly knows where he was. 826 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: But before he threw down and showed the logo, hence 827 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,800 my name, I thought he used his nose to find that, 828 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,719 Like I thought, he. 829 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 2: Does that right, Like he brings it up to his mouth, 830 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,480 so I assume he was sniffing it. 831 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:14,119 Speaker 4: It also. 832 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: That he smelled the casing like all the way to 833 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:19,440 the gun. I'm glad it was the logos. I'm like, 834 00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,159 that's a little too far fetched, Like his nose could 835 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:27,239 get him Miles, Oh, find out like he should become 836 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,199 a cop, like who killed him? I don't know, smell 837 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,880 this knife, Matt like, oh, yeah, it was definitely Vanessa 838 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:34,400 like she did. Like he could find Adam. He could 839 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,639 just smell Vanessa's clothes bag. Oh yeah, I know where 840 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:37,440 he's keeping your lover. 841 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,079 Speaker 3: But I've gotta go laugh that when it was Yeah, 842 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:41,960 what I thought was happening was because earlier when he 843 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:44,039 was talking to the dirty cop in the hallway and 844 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:45,760 he got like a whiff of him at some point 845 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,679 and then he had dead that whiff later. I thought 846 00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:49,760 that's what I thought was happening, that he's making the 847 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,320 connection there. Uh, but I don't know if it's believable, 848 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,000 like the cop would smell like that bullet days later 849 00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,119 in like different outfit. I don't know. Well, maybe he 850 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:00,639 could smell it on his gun or something. I'm not 851 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,159 sure her. 852 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,559 Speaker 1: Fingers if he hasn't showered because a little like they 853 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:05,320 doubled down on they wasn't that cop. 854 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 2: And he actually had no idea. 855 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,039 Speaker 4: That, yeah, they did. 856 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:08,599 Speaker 5: That's because the heart's heartbeat. 857 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:11,199 Speaker 1: He was not lying so and again we never got 858 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,719 that answered yet. If that was a Fisk warrented thing 859 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,719 or or just a cop warranted thing, we don't know 860 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,639 yet because this episode it wasn't like Fisk like even 861 00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:21,440 to us the viewers, showing off that he did that right. Also, 862 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:23,519 he said saw some dark stuff with him, but we 863 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:25,440 didn't get that. And that's one thing I will say. 864 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,320 With the shooting of White Tiger and everything. My big 865 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,239 complaint last week about Matt, I felt like they touched 866 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,360 on it a little like I wanted. I did want 867 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,119 dire Man to press Matt. I didn't feel he did 868 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,480 bring it up of like man an innocent vigilant he 869 00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:40,880 got killed, like he said this to Frank and you know, 870 00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:43,360 no one cares. He did bring that up, but I 871 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,000 felt like it was still very minor and I'm not 872 00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,079 gonna say he didn't care. I liked that scene with 873 00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,119 the niece but it was not as big of a 874 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,079 deal as I wanted. So again, as much as I 875 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:54,639 love this episode, I still was hoping there was more 876 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,199 follow up because Matt did get him killed and you know, 877 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,280 maybe that guilt will come later, so I'm waiting to 878 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,280 see the rest of the serious But the follow up 879 00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:03,639 wasn't the greatest. O. Then I really like the niece, 880 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,599 and uh, hopefully she gets that amulet because all she 881 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,480 becomes White Tiger later on she killed it. 882 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 5: That little actress there. Fuck, what a good scene that was. 883 00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:12,480 I thought she was great. 884 00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:15,559 Speaker 2: So yeah, there was one thing that she said that 885 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:18,039 just seemed weird writing where it was like. 886 00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 6: I can't remember what she said specific, but it's like 887 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,039 you you don't have to be good at math to 888 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,320 figure that calculation. 889 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,039 Speaker 3: It was just a weird one plus one easylation. 890 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a weird phrase. But she, you know, 891 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,039 she delivered it well. Oh gosh, I forgot where it's going, something. 892 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 5: About White Tiger, the niece, the cop, Matt. 893 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:38,639 Speaker 4: Oh. 894 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 6: Actually just just just talking about like the follow up 895 00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,239 from the death of the White Tiger from last week. 896 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,960 I did actually like and it's really really minor, but 897 00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,960 I at least like the dialogue between him and I 898 00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:53,199 forget her name, like his girlfriend, the therapist lady of 899 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,639 just like like this is like the first time where 900 00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:57,960 she's been like worried about him just being out, which 901 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,920 of course, if you if you're close to Matt, you 902 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,039 you just kind of have to expect to just be 903 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,800 worried about him all the time. That we you know, 904 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,440 we got that with Foggy and Karen in that in 905 00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,280 that show. But I mostly just liked how instead of 906 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,519 it being like really accusatory and like like where we're 907 00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:15,400 like super aggressive, like he just he listed that like 908 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,599 you know, an innocent man was just murdered, like you 909 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,239 just like it just felt like he was really authentically 910 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,800 decompressing to his significant other there, and it just felt 911 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,360 really natural. 912 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 2: And I just I don't know, I we haven't had 913 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,639 a lot of those two together, but I. 914 00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:31,119 Speaker 6: Do like their chemistry and it's you know, it's a 915 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,679 character that I'm I wouldn't be too worried if if 916 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,599 we get more of her scenes because I like her 917 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,239 with Vanessa and Fisk. I think that she's you know, 918 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,559 it's minor, but I still like her in those scenes. 919 00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:48,639 And then here again with with the Coxman Matt. I 920 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,840 like those two together, But yeah, no, I do agree, 921 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,199 though I would have expected it to be a lot 922 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,639 more of a significant reaction from Matt. And even when 923 00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:58,559 he's at the corner's office, like it's he seems like 924 00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:00,920 he's pretty heated, obviously, like he's pretty short with the 925 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,360 guy and then and then he's obviously like getting really 926 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:08,280 intense with uh with the young white Tigris. 927 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 5: I don't know if that's actual name, but no, she's 928 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:11,480 just white Tiger. 929 00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, I just like that moment. 930 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 6: It's like we have to believe that, you know, the 931 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:17,719 bad guys are gonna get caught for this, and it's 932 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,880 it's like he's telling that to himself more so than 933 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,199 to her. And yeah, I don't know, It's just I 934 00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,360 would have expected more because it just seemed like he 935 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,519 had a lot of skin in the game with this 936 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,039 whole Hector h situation, because he is a vigilant. He 937 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,079 knows what that's like, and he knows that he's innocent 938 00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,440 all these things. And then this is what happened. So 939 00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:37,239 this is where I kind of what expected him to 940 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,119 just be lacing up the suit. Obviously, we got a 941 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,280 little bit more in between It took like a really 942 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,679 powerful scene between him and Punisher for him to get there. 943 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,119 Speaker 2: But he's at least on the roof. Now, he's stretching out, 944 00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:47,920 he's getting his muscles ready to kick some ask. 945 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's what we got the double next week, 946 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,280 because I bet technically he does not put the costume 947 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,360 on in episode five, but I bet he doesn't six, 948 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,440 And I bet they're looking at this like, oh, everyone's 949 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,239 gonna expect Daredevil next week. They're gonna be pissed if 950 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,920 we don't give it to him. So let's put five 951 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,039 and six together. That's my traps told you prediction that 952 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,559 he will not be fully suited next week. It'll be 953 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,920 maybe on the brink or maybe if he's fully suited, 954 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,000 it's like literally the like this where it's like the 955 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:14,719 last five seconds and he's in the costume. But I 956 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,119 think that's why it's a double because they know, okay people, 957 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,320 because it is like like, now we're going episode five 958 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,880 and he's still not been suited since that first five minutes, 959 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,239 so they. 960 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 5: I'm luckily I think people are pausing on the show. 961 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: But I do think that was a maybe risky thing 962 00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,880 to do, especially because when you watch trailers and promos 963 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,480 for the show, it's like him in the suit and 964 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,280 the costume all the time. So I feel like you 965 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,239 could lose a lot of people here now four week 966 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,960 I guess three weeks, but still four episodes in and 967 00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,280 he's not really suited up. I could see people being Yeah, 968 00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:43,320 like again, I don't want to watch like eve new 969 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,079 people being Oh listen, Darren Nevil is just like a 970 00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:48,639 legal procedure, especially if you're not tied to the Netflix stuff, 971 00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,480 like you might not care as much about Fist or 972 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,239 the Punisher stuff. So that's why I think the double's coming, 973 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,719 because I think they probably knew we got to get 974 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,960 him in this costume soon. 975 00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:59,039 Speaker 3: So especially because like she Hulk and Echo already had 976 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,119 him in there with stuff, So it's like, hey, people 977 00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:04,679 would just want want that right now som. 978 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 1: Hmm, Yeah, yeah, that's giking to that break and then 979 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,239 we'll continue on. 980 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,079 Speaker 5: And we are back. 981 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 4: Uh. 982 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 6: You mentioned the legal proceedings, and this episode had more 983 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,760 of it than I would have expected. Uh, this is 984 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,199 kind of what I was alluding to early on of 985 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,840 just the whole situation with this. I don't know if 986 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,440 he's homeless I'm gonna assume that he Yeah, so the 987 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,320 guy that stole the boxes of whatever in the store. 988 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,159 I really was expecting like a quick like tie to 989 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:33,119 I don't know, like this is more of like the 990 00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:37,400 police triggered corruption group, and it never ended up being that, 991 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:41,239 And you know, it ended up being like an interesting 992 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,440 at least dialogue between Matt and the guy and just 993 00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:46,559 like double downing on like how fucked up the system 994 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:48,880 is and like how it's just so easy for him 995 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,519 to get keep falling back into this situation of like 996 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,519 going to jail parole, like like the system is just 997 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,599 not set up for him to actually, what's the word 998 00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,280 I'm looking for what prison should be before? 999 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,079 Speaker 2: Where you're your reform rehability? 1000 00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 5: Yeah? Ability, yeah exactly. 1001 00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 6: Like it's very much just churning out percent yeah exactly. 1002 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,159 It's like it's basically like a money making scheme, just 1003 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,519 just just rotating them in. So I liked that dialogue 1004 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,239 portion of it, but it just seemed like we had 1005 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,840 like fifteen minutes of like Matt talking to this guy 1006 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,800 and then and then talking to the I don't know 1007 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,519 what her position is, but he's just like trying to 1008 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:26,679 negotiate this guy to have like probation and she seemed 1009 00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:27,800 like like a too. 1010 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 3: I fucking loved that scene. That was so fun, Like 1011 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,360 I also I love the ladies man. Uh, Matt Murdoch. 1012 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,679 It's so fun and like he's just so wise and 1013 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,920 that was funny. Like you're talking about how he wasn't 1014 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,000 seeming like thrown off by everything that happened last week. 1015 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,239 That's where I was like, Oh, yeah, he's still like 1016 00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,880 in his peak mood here, like he's still able to 1017 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,280 turn the pants off this woman. I really love that sequence. 1018 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it was killer dialogue between those two, but 1019 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,719 like it just it just seemed like a big chunk 1020 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,400 of the episode where it's like what are we doing here, 1021 00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:59,079 Like like I feel like we have a lot of 1022 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,519 other plot points to you touching upon. So that's where 1023 00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:02,840 I was a little bit worried. And again that is 1024 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,760 in the early portion of the episode. So I was 1025 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,079 just feeling pretty negative early on. 1026 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,679 Speaker 3: But I'm thinking that a blood guy muse, I guess 1027 00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,400 I'm thinking that he will kidnap this guy maybe, Oh, 1028 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,719 and so he'll come back, and that's where it's gonna 1029 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,480 all connect together, and that's how like this guy could 1030 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,119 get involved with Matt perhaps, but if not, if this 1031 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,400 is like a one and done thing here, I don't know, 1032 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,079 Like me, yeah, maybe they're just like, Okay, well we 1033 00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,199 need ten to fifteen minutes of Matt in the courtroom 1034 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,079 doing doing Matt Murdock lawyer stuff, but like without it 1035 00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,400 being some bigger plot line that like has to maintain. 1036 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,960 Let's just do this one thing and then it also 1037 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,039 is a bit of a social commentary on top of that. 1038 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,079 But I'm kind of with you. I feel like, if 1039 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,320 if it is, if it doesn't build into anything, I 1040 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,840 don't know if we really needed I don't know if 1041 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,719 it was worth the amount of screen time that had. 1042 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,239 I guess like it was, it was fine, but I 1043 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,599 don't know. I guess I'll take it just for that 1044 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:54,239 like flirting scene because that was so fun. 1045 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,679 Speaker 5: But you know, yeah, that was good like a character. 1046 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 2: Also, I looked it up. 1047 00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: It is, but it's like a very minor care like 1048 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,800 it's something that actually worked for like Chichala not didn't 1049 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,280 have much affiliation with that Mroock. 1050 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 5: If they were in Devil's Hell. 1051 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 1: Kitchen, like they've been saved by Luke Cage and stuff, 1052 00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:10,159 I read them like, kay, I've never seen this character 1053 00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:13,039 and it's like a newer character, but uh, it is there. 1054 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,519 Speaker 5: So I agree with you guys. 1055 00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:15,679 Speaker 1: I think for me, it's just like gonna wait to 1056 00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:19,880 see the payoff because I think they already have so 1057 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,360 much going where obviously with the fifth stuff, they're doing 1058 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,199 political stuff, and then the cop like dirty cops, killer cops, 1059 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,679 cops abusing law, et cetera. We've talked about that, right, 1060 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,840 So this is like a third dentim like, hey, how 1061 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,440 does the system treat people lower on the total pole 1062 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,679 that get arrested, especially for some of these smaller crimes, 1063 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,639 like back in the day lost as the seventy people 1064 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,639 would have weed, write and. 1065 00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 5: People that's why leagues we legal weed? 1066 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: Is we legal a lot of places because it's like, 1067 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,199 should we be locking all these people up for how 1068 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,079 many amount of time for just getting a little high 1069 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,000 for like that's it not like impaired and they just 1070 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:55,599 like saw them on the sidelock again and hid. It's 1071 00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,920 like probably not right, But I think that's where it 1072 00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,360 does have to pay off, because if not, then it 1073 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:02,440 is kind of sometimes the worst form of art, where 1074 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,039 it's this social commentary for the sake of social commentary. 1075 00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,360 It's just like, let's make it this episode, let's focus 1076 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,960 on this. But it's like, to me, the fifth thing 1077 00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:10,880 works because like that's your main, one of your main 1078 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,920 bad guys, right, same thing with the police stuff. 1079 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,760 Speaker 5: That works because that's gonna be a thrilling for the show. 1080 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,280 Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that because those two other ones they 1081 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,840 have falled through, they will fall through this. But if not, 1082 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,840 that does just kind of feel like a well, this 1083 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,280 week's issue is and it's like, well, don't do that. 1084 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,199 Don't that just feels like it's kind of like people 1085 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,400 assume or like say, oh, you're just like casting for 1086 00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:32,599 diversity's sake or this that that's what that sublime plot 1087 00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:35,000 could feel like. If nothing pays off, it's just okay, 1088 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,280 we get that, and I'm fine that storyline, But then 1089 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,719 you should like do that in season two and make 1090 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,599 that the theme that year. You know, if like him 1091 00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:44,039 dealing with the lower class and everything. But I think 1092 00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,199 the ons prediction of muse that could be a good one. 1093 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,880 Before we got a bigger storyline and they just were 1094 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,840 a homeless guy getting arrested, I was like, man, why 1095 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,480 couldn't that be Turk? But I don't, you know, obviously 1096 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,880 win to Moore couldn't have been Turk, but you know, 1097 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,360 it could have been. I really hope we get Turk. 1098 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,000 I feel like we're not because I feel like there's 1099 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:03,639 still more disneyisms. But at first when I saw him, 1100 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:04,920 like hood it, I was like, oh, could have been 1101 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,760 ninety too. I'm like, Okay, no, that's not the Turk guy. 1102 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,199 Speaker 5: But uh, I'm so lay. 1103 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:10,639 Speaker 3: The other thing I wondered is like, Okay, is this 1104 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,360 just a way for Matt to like meet a new 1105 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,800 girl and this is like a new love interest thing. 1106 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,679 But then it's like, oh no, he's pretty serious with 1107 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,880 the therapist, Like she's sleeping at his how she has 1108 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,000 the keys clearly if she's going there on her own. 1109 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 5: So I think that at the end of the season, right, 1110 00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:26,719 maybe that'd be. 1111 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,519 Speaker 3: Kind of weird, Like Okay, in the middle of season one, 1112 00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,360 we're gonna set up this one connection. Then we're not 1113 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,639 gonna see her again into like season two, like a 1114 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,800 year later, when that like it would be a little 1115 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,880 far fetch, Like maybe, as you're saying, if she has 1116 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,360 an established character, maybe there is a plant like a 1117 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,119 future plan there, but it would be to me, it'd 1118 00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:43,840 be weird to sprinkle this here. But if it is 1119 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,880 just like a seemingly one off scene, why would you 1120 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,960 do it? Like now, it seems like I remember forget 1121 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,000 about that some of. 1122 00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,199 Speaker 1: These episodes are still the Old Guard when they're planning 1123 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,280 to shoot all those eighteen episodes together. So that could 1124 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,840 have been the plan where it's like, let's sprinkle this 1125 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,400 character in and then we come back to her later. Obviously, 1126 00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:02,000 season two I think is completely changed. But that's like 1127 00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,079 the new team. 1128 00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 3: Is Matt's girlfriend gonna get killed by Fisk and he's like, 1129 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,880 next episode be like, okay, got to shack up with 1130 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,280 that guy? 1131 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,320 Speaker 4: Was like given giving her the abducting eyes right at 1132 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,760 the book signing. I'm assuming that's mus So. 1133 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: Yes, so he already was asking for help and she 1134 00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,559 I don't know if he did help her, because what 1135 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,960 happened was he asked for help and then they did 1136 00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:28,559 that scene where her assistants like, oh, your client's here, 1137 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,760 and the client set up like was the young guy, right, 1138 00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,480 and then it was Fisk and Vanessa. So I don't 1139 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,320 know did she take that client on or did she 1140 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,719 brush him to the side because she's dealing with a 1141 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,639 billionaire and yeah, so Taylor when you're talking about there 1142 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,480 was that, but also the guy at the end of 1143 00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:44,000 episode one that was spray painting the fisk thing. That's 1144 00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,840 mus He's a big spray painter and artists and everything 1145 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,239 like that. So in each episode there's been signs of 1146 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,840 Mews around. So that's why I'm with Taylor where I 1147 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,000 don't think it's at their own possibility for her to 1148 00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:57,320 get the kebab, and especially if, like they've already said, 1149 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,719 DeMar An Wold's going to be back for more next year, 1150 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:03,159 so if they want him to be single, that that 1151 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,559 could work, even if it's something to do with this's 1152 00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:08,320 COVID ask, Like, I don't think she will, but I wouldn't. 1153 00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:10,639 I would not rule it out of the round possibility 1154 00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,159 because that muse set up so early on and he's 1155 00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:18,000 a fucking he's a serial kill psychopath muse, so mm hmm. 1156 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,760 Speaker 5: Could be a bloodshow. 1157 00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:21,280 Speaker 1: I think. 1158 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 6: Last thing I'll say on uh, just that flirtation scene 1159 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,639 in the in the courtroom. I had to rewind because 1160 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:34,000 he says like something about Latvia and then it's like, 1161 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,599 especially with the name Azola, and I'm like, Zola attachment, 1162 00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:39,920 What the fuck is he Latvarian and then and it's like, no, 1163 00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:43,079 her name is Ozola, like last name so and. 1164 00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:46,559 Speaker 5: It was Latvia, like our Latvia, not like Latvaria. But 1165 00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:47,559 I even lat Veria. 1166 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 2: I also heard that one. 1167 00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:50,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm there trying to convince Emily like it 1168 00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:52,280 could be this. And then when we got the subtuzzic, 1169 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,159 now they just say Latvia. 1170 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:54,760 Speaker 1: But I was like, well, you know, like maybe the 1171 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,480 doom is coming. Yeah, I mean it's like doom is coming, 1172 00:48:57,559 --> 00:48:59,840 and like, what's what's so Covia? I like, it's a 1173 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,239 a place, right MCU. So it's like maybe they were 1174 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,559 gonna start sprinkling, like hey that Veria. It's a foreign 1175 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:05,559 country and this is that. 1176 00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 4: But you guys are like me with Xavier's school. 1177 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was just just laugh Via unfortunately. But 1178 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,199 do you have any thoughts on the Caramel Coorn segment. 1179 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:20,320 Speaker 4: I really started to feel emotional and bad for this guy, 1180 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,079 because I mean, it's it's it's real life. It's it's 1181 00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,320 hard to just catch a break, and the guy just 1182 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,159 he was thrown in jail for thirty days and he 1183 00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,079 missed his benefits signing and it fucked him over and 1184 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:34,239 all that stuff like it's not it's not easy. And 1185 00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:36,559 I really felt for Matt too, because Matt was like 1186 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,519 he was giving him shit, like just take the ten days, 1187 00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,000 like it's fine, like this is the best you're gonna get, yaha, YadA. 1188 00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,000 And then finally when this guy started to really break 1189 00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:49,480 down like explain to Matt, and Matt's tonal just shifted 1190 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:52,800 completely to being just very sympathetic and understanding. And I 1191 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,400 think that's one of the key points for him too, 1192 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,239 where he's been trying, at least for Foggy's sake, to 1193 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,639 really believe in the system and really make the system work. 1194 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,039 And this is just another one of those triggering moments 1195 00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,599 for him, just where he's realized he the system doesn't 1196 00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:06,480 work and I've got to go back to daredeviling. And 1197 00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:09,119 so I think this has had a lot of uh 1198 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,239 weight to it in his transition back to being that vigilante. 1199 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,639 So I really like the scene a lot. 1200 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1201 00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 4: Just God, just the way he's talking too, like he's 1202 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,039 just digging in dumpsters, getting garbage food and all he 1203 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:24,000 wanted was just to eat a dessert and have something 1204 00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:27,320 that tastes good. And it just they're spending more money 1205 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,480 to incarcerate him than to just let him have the 1206 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:31,440 box of cookies. 1207 00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 5: And it's it's popcorn. 1208 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,159 Speaker 4: It's popcorn. Okay, Yeah, it's just so shitty. 1209 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,119 Speaker 5: Caramel popcorn disgusting. 1210 00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:44,519 Speaker 4: But I understand, Carol, popcorn is so fucking good. 1211 00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 5: I've come around a bit more on it when I'm older, 1212 00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:47,840 But I remember. 1213 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 4: You got to get the Chicago mix. 1214 00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: You gotta get Chicago mix is fine, but yeah, I'll 1215 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:52,320 buy itself. 1216 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 5: Not so buano. 1217 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,280 Speaker 3: You know, so, Taylor, what what if if it if 1218 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,559 that scene sequences building towards something, what do you think 1219 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,239 that would be? 1220 00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 4: Like what's gonna happen to the criminal fellow? 1221 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,320 Speaker 5: Do we never see him again? 1222 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 3: Like I guess. Do you think this was like a 1223 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,400 one off scene just for the sake of like some 1224 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,280 social commentary and they have Matt in the courtroom doing 1225 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,119 some cool stuff or do you think it's like either 1226 00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:20,280 the girl like she's gonna come back or like this 1227 00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:22,840 guy is gonna come back in I think the girl 1228 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,599 is going to definitely come back because I feel like 1229 00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:26,679 there was a little bit more pre existing history there 1230 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,320 and a little bit more potential to explore that further. 1231 00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,320 The guy, I to me, his story just felt like 1232 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,079 here it is, I needs you to go in and 1233 00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:37,320 do this freebie and then his case is wrapped up, 1234 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,119 don't even have to take it to court. And that 1235 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,440 just served as more fuel for Matt to kind of 1236 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,960 resume his being daredevil with the girl. 1237 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 5: I mean yet, which like how can him being daredevil 1238 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,119 help this guy? 1239 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 4: Though it's not to help the guy, but it just 1240 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,440 makes him realize that you can't rely on the system 1241 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,920 because what did the system do? While the system worked 1242 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:03,599 for the White Tiger, it ultimately like he just got 1243 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,079 killed at the end, So what did that do? 1244 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:06,519 Speaker 1: Right? 1245 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 5: Yeah? 1246 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,079 Speaker 1: No, I like that explanation because I just was watched 1247 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,079 and it's like what how was Darnel will get you know, 1248 00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:12,760 like sooop down and be like hey, like I know 1249 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,039 he took this popcorn, but like I got mused right here, 1250 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:17,960 you should arrest him instead, and the cops be like, oh, 1251 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,639 we'll take a boat with the just execute Matt on 1252 00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:21,360 the spot. Like I felt like, there's nothing this is 1253 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,199 a case that Mack. 1254 00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,320 Speaker 4: White Tiger like first time back in the suit. 1255 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,280 Speaker 1: Him, but like that was the first time where I 1256 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,880 was like Matt as there, like dared old can't actually 1257 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,960 help this situation really at all here, Like Matt Murdock's 1258 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,519 more useful here, but yeah, a good point. 1259 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 5: Of yeah, just the shitty shit and needs a break. 1260 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,800 Speaker 1: And you know, Mike Tiger's gone, Frank's gonna sit in 1261 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,159 his little hot until whatever pops off on his radar. 1262 00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:48,360 Who knows where Spider Man is because apparently he's in 1263 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,599 New York, but I don't know. He's banging Jean Gray. 1264 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,920 Speaker 5: Now, So whatever. 1265 00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: Anything anything on mus quickly because we talked about him 1266 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,119 so before we go to uh, Fisk and King and 1267 00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:01,719 all that stuff. 1268 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 3: And I saw Elevin's canceled. This seems like a little 1269 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,199 saw saw type guy, so bring it on. I'll take it. 1270 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1271 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,320 Speaker 1: The only thing I'm interested in is he does have 1272 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,920 some sort of I will get the official powers that 1273 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,280 he has. 1274 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,760 Speaker 5: He does have some powers in the comic books, but 1275 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,239 I don't know if they're gonna do that or if 1276 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,159 he's just gonna be like street levels weird thug. 1277 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,800 Speaker 3: I think he's a street level. 1278 00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 1: That's what I think too, which sucks because like his 1279 00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:27,639 power is kind of like disrupt what Mac can do. 1280 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 5: Uh let's see. 1281 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:33,039 Speaker 3: Although like sucking the blood really seemed to like he was, 1282 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,039 he was like almost starting to go into a trance 1283 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,079 like state. So I don't know. Maybe he gets powered 1284 00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:37,559 by blood. 1285 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,840 Speaker 1: So guess the first three superhuman strikes superhuman expert combat, and. 1286 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,719 Speaker 5: There's that expert combat imperceptibility. 1287 00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 1: Muse body acts like a Muse body acts like a vortex, 1288 00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:54,039 which can pull in every bit of sensory information around him, 1289 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,599 making even daredevils sense it's hard to target. I remember 1290 00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:59,599 because I have not read the most recent Daar Deevil run, 1291 00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,239 but I fell off a daredevil. It's this run that 1292 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,880 they're basing off of, and that was a cool thing 1293 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,360 with Muse that Okay, Mac usually has the one up, 1294 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,079 but then when mus came in, it's like fuck like 1295 00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,639 and that had a sidekick it this at this time, 1296 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,960 who mus fucking blinded? So Muse was like he fucked 1297 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,480 Matt up real good. So I hope, especially because my 1298 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,519 only hope is they have talked like white tigers amlet 1299 00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:23,239 like in court, Matt's like his power, Yeah, he didn't 1300 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,159 have his powers, he didn't have his chain, right, So 1301 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,440 my hope would be like they're trying to say, hey, 1302 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,280 there's other heroes that Matt's interact with that have like 1303 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,440 powers the Defenders. He's fought the Hands, so I would 1304 00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:34,920 love it if like he's fucking Mews up and then 1305 00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:36,679 Muse hits him with his power and it's like a 1306 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:37,960 fuck what I do? 1307 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,440 Speaker 5: So I hope they do that. But I'm with you, 1308 00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:41,639 and I think it's just it could. 1309 00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:43,639 Speaker 3: Even be like a tech thing. I don't know if 1310 00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:45,599 this is gonna be a techie type guy, but maybe 1311 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:49,199 he has some device that I don't know somehow, yeah, 1312 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,360 makes things instarceptible. But it's funny, like that's such a 1313 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,199 such a specific power that it's like the only way 1314 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,480 anyone would ever come up with that is like, Okay, 1315 00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:01,599 how could someone out there, I guess will come up 1316 00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:03,960 with imperceptibility as his power. 1317 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,280 Speaker 1: Do you think Bill that could maybe in another New 1318 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,719 York Hero? Do you think maybe Spider Man senses couldn't 1319 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,079 go off against Muse. I don't think they found the 1320 00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:14,360 call book, so I accept that maybe too, right. 1321 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,320 Speaker 3: I feel like the power levels are so different between 1322 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,559 those two that Spiky just fine. 1323 00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:25,119 Speaker 4: Imagining his powers are similar to that of Calypso from 1324 00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:29,800 Craven the Hunter, where he's just like disorientates his target. 1325 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:34,760 Speaker 5: So maybe you two got anything, sad muse. 1326 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:37,280 Speaker 4: Looks scary. 1327 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:39,239 Speaker 5: There you go. 1328 00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:41,800 Speaker 1: Except my prediction is I think he's gonna be the 1329 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,480 real big bad and they're gonna say fist. 1330 00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,679 Speaker 5: But I think that's what's gonna happen, is like I 1331 00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,440 think you got the White Tiger arc, you got the 1332 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,920 punish your call bark. 1333 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,239 Speaker 1: And then you're gonna get up the news arc. And 1334 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,039 then that's good because I love season two. Season two 1335 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:56,840 has three arcs, so sounds good to me. And uh yeah, 1336 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,960 So we go to Fisk. He had lots of tasks 1337 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,119 to do, lots of visits with some children and some 1338 00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:06,760 Latvarian culture. He had some therapy going on, and then 1339 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,599 he had a little lot of dinner to tend at 1340 00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:08,960 the end. 1341 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,599 Speaker 5: So, Kirka, what do you think about fist? Overall? In 1342 00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:14,519 this episode, let's go on with the man busy guy. 1343 00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,159 His schedule is fucking booked, you know. 1344 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,320 Speaker 2: Busy guy. Absolutely, yeah. 1345 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 6: I mean it's interesting because they throw him in many 1346 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,599 different situations in this episode, specifically this episode alone, where 1347 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,400 like you get the criminal aspect of him eating dinner 1348 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,559 with Adam, you get the trying to be you know, 1349 00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:39,360 a good husband to Vanessa, like therapy sequence. Even like 1350 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,320 their follow up later on when they're having dinner together, 1351 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,960 him talking about his father, you get like a goofy 1352 00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:45,880 Fisk too, like. 1353 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,800 Speaker 2: When what's his name? Daniel? 1354 00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:49,559 Speaker 5: Daniel. 1355 00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:55,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's so strange because what I would expect this 1356 00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:57,960 to be, like basically a Ben Urick execution scene when 1357 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,679 he like tells his whole staff to lee just Daniel, 1358 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,599 and that lady insists to stay because. 1359 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,840 Speaker 5: She thought was gonna kill feel like, oh yeah, yeah, 1360 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:08,199 that's the reason she stayed. 1361 00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,920 Speaker 6: And I feel like once upon a time he would 1362 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,800 have just fucking killed them both, like right there, like 1363 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,559 he's just such yeah, like such a bad guy. Whereas 1364 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,400 here it was just like a goofy scene where Daniel's like, 1365 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,239 I'm so sorry. He just like keeps going off and 1366 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,039 fists just like doesn't really know what to say, and 1367 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,519 just like his body language, it seemed like it was 1368 00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,199 just a goofy sequence. And I don't know how they 1369 00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:29,880 were they were trying to direct him in that sense, 1370 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,880 but I don't know. I just I wasn't loving it, 1371 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,079 and it was just kind of like, oh yeah, this 1372 00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:38,039 is really what I hate about this specific Fisk character. 1373 00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:41,119 And I think it's just the trying of balancing between 1374 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,760 all of these different avenues instead of just having him 1375 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,719 be like the straight evil guy. I guess that's a 1376 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,199 little bit more like you have more depth with the character, 1377 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,239 I guess if you show different sides. So that's an 1378 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,840 argument for it, But I just think for what we 1379 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,280 get with him, I'm just really not not loving it. 1380 00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,159 Speaker 2: I feel like it's just. 1381 00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:02,599 Speaker 6: Gonna be a long haul until the inevitable breakup of 1382 00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:04,599 like him and Vanessa, and then like that'll just be 1383 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,679 like what what happens to'll just turn him forever? 1384 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 2: But I don't know, like, and then they showing it'll 1385 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,519 be a ben yur keane I think I. 1386 00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:17,599 Speaker 1: Think so she I they foreshadowed a little too hard 1387 00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:19,679 when she said like, oh, he'll do many things, but 1388 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,119 he'll never hurt me. I was like, Oh, that's you 1389 00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:23,920 never say never in these shows. And I think that 1390 00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:26,599 was the sign of like, because they're emphasizing like Fisk 1391 00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:29,199 would never lay his hands on Vanessa, and now I 1392 00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:32,079 think he's gonna, Yeah, ben Yurick is gonna be watching 1393 00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,679 down from having coaching Vanessa through her parents. 1394 00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:39,639 Speaker 6: So yeah, I think it's also just a matter of 1395 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,840 like my favorite version of the Kingpin. I'm now realizing 1396 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,039 going through the previous show, pretty much every appearance that 1397 00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:49,159 he's been in now and then this now it's it's 1398 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,559 like just that, just the fucking criminal guy, And I 1399 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,400 just want to see more of those scenes. And uh, yeah, 1400 00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:59,199 I'm really not liking just the Vanessa stuff between him. 1401 00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:01,360 I will say the thing, A scene like this was 1402 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,199 my favorite one done so far between the two of them. 1403 00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:08,679 I just think there is like, not really tension, but 1404 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,800 still there was moments of tension and I appreciate those sequences, 1405 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,800 but yeah, overall, not the biggest fan of a Fisk. 1406 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,119 Speaker 1: Do you think the fists that you're wanting just that 1407 00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:22,559 big old criminal. Do you think there's a really good 1408 00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,280 chance with season two you might finally get that with 1409 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,440 the donofrio here, because I feel. 1410 00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 5: Like that's where they're leading, especially like man, I love 1411 00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:31,400 when those kids are singing. 1412 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 1: You see his hands, Like I feel like there's three 1413 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,440 situations in this episode. You see he is ready just 1414 00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:41,360 a fucking pop, the singing Daniel, and when she's giving 1415 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,159 him the schedule and why like this city, well. 1416 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,199 Speaker 5: Well let's just do this, Well you gotta do this first. 1417 00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:47,639 Well let's just do this. We we gotta do that first. 1418 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,719 He was ready to just like bane Batman style. So 1419 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,840 I think I said that before. 1420 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,679 Speaker 1: I think when Vanessa's gone, that is the true sign 1421 00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:57,840 that there's nothing laughter other than like I'm gonna fuck 1422 00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,880 New York up every sideways, you know. 1423 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that's happening. 1424 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,159 Speaker 6: So I think it's like inevitability and it's just like, hey, 1425 01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:07,800 let's just let's just hurry up and get there. But 1426 01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,960 I don't think that's like a popular at all, and 1427 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,440 I don't think it's a better story to tell that 1428 01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,920 my way. It's just that's that's kind of where I'm at, 1429 01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:17,440 and I'm just gonna be struggling along. 1430 01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:17,679 Speaker 1: You know. 1431 01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 6: It's nice that the whole episodes aren't just focusing on 1432 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,719 those two, you know, where we're getting spread out, but. 1433 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:23,639 Speaker 2: That's where I met. 1434 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting I'm I. I quite liked the therapy 1435 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,159 sequences in this episode. I just feel like it's fun 1436 01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:32,239 to see it's almost like a game of Avalon with 1437 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,599 these guys, or a game of Werewolf where you have 1438 01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:38,559 like them telling a lot, like especially when like a 1439 01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:40,639 lot of truths that she's saying things that are making 1440 01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:43,159 him clearly uncomfortable. But then there's other things that she 1441 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,440 still lies about, and he obviously doesn't tell the whole truth, 1442 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,000 and he's very reserved, but he still is like trying 1443 01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:51,760 to do enough so that he can get the pass, 1444 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,039 you know, the therapy past, whatever it is or whatever, 1445 01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:56,719 or maybe it's just to make Vanessa happy, whatever. But 1446 01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,760 I think that sequence was really fun, especially it's like, so, 1447 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,119 what happened to what happened to Adam? We had a dialogue? 1448 01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:08,760 I thought that was so funny. I was dying laughing 1449 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,519 with that. So yeah, I quite enjoyed that. And then 1450 01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:14,639 I think especially like at the end when she said, like, oh, 1451 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,119 he doesn't he doesn't harm people, though, like obviously there's 1452 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:21,719 still the protection layer of it. I guess I have 1453 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,119 questions with the Adam things. I don't know if we're 1454 01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:24,559 like it's too soon to jump to that, but I 1455 01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:28,440 guess with like the the Daniel stuff, I just don't 1456 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,159 I don't know where we're going with this, Like are 1457 01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:33,599 we trying to show off that Fisk has changed and 1458 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,159 he isn't just immediately going to kill any opposition like 1459 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,480 he lets Daniel live, He lets Adam live. Technically, I 1460 01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,320 guess theres him in a cage instead of you know. 1461 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,639 Speaker 5: I think I Meanisher at this point. 1462 01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's like, I don't know we're seeing that. 1463 01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:51,719 But like even in the scene with Daniel, he's still 1464 01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:53,360 like threatens the hell out of him, And it's only 1465 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,280 with like the most devoted person who's like groveling at 1466 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,119 his feet that he's like, Okay, I guess I'll spare 1467 01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:00,480 this guy because he'll just be upun for me for 1468 01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:02,760 like the rest of the time. So it's I feel like, 1469 01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:05,519 are you trying to make it so he's like I 1470 01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,440 have more empathy to WARSM. That's not working at all. 1471 01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:09,519 So if not, then like why did we do this? 1472 01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:12,039 Like I already believed that Daniel was fully invested in 1473 01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:13,880 this guy and was not gonna turn against someone under 1474 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,039 any circumstance. So I just I guess, I just don't 1475 01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:18,039 know what we're building towards. And like the actual mayor 1476 01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:21,079 stuff of him making moves in the city and like 1477 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:22,800 you know, trying to skip through the red tape, I 1478 01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:25,639 just find it like kind of boring and by the numbers, 1479 01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:28,079 like there's not really anything interesting happening there. So those 1480 01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:31,360 sequences of the boring stuff. I like the therapy sequence 1481 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,760 in here for Fisk, so getting some good stuff. But 1482 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,840 it's definitely been a mixed bag. He's lost couple episodes. 1483 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 5: For me, I think the red tape is just another one. 1484 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,159 Speaker 1: He's just gonna get fed up and that's what's gonna 1485 01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:42,360 get him back to Kingpin Kingpin instead of like waiting 1486 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,039 for X, Y and Z, He's just gonna do it 1487 01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,840 and that's that and that's how we'll get there. I 1488 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,840 think the Daniel think to me was a juxtaposition of 1489 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,920 Vanessa because their therapy session, they had multiple therapy sessions, 1490 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,519 but this was the first time. We should say, all 1491 01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:57,760 his hans and the way he touched me, like she's 1492 01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,320 just fucking Grill and Fisk while he's right there. 1493 01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:05,639 Speaker 5: But they had a therapy session, running up my legs. 1494 01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:09,360 Speaker 3: Like his beautiful skills, his beautiful art skill. 1495 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 5: There he said, finding clay in a garage. I'm like, 1496 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,519 I functure he can find clay in a garage shell. 1497 01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:16,639 Speaker 1: But like to me, that was the first time I 1498 01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:18,760 talked about the affair, right, So you have him with 1499 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,880 her and their whole conversation is about her not being 1500 01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:25,840 loyal to him. And his whole conversation with Daniels about 1501 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,679 him being loyal to Fisk. So I think that's why 1502 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,400 it's gonna be another thing where Fisk is just gonna 1503 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,360 view Vanessa as she is no longer loyal to him 1504 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,119 and she is needs to go, and that's where it's 1505 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:38,639 gonna be, Like why is he gonna keep this little 1506 01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:42,039 dedeb over Vanessa? Because this little deweb will kill himself 1507 01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:44,280 to say fist where he even said that to Vanessa, 1508 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,920 He's like, oh, it's impressed love, like you're not the 1509 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,119 same woman I fell in love with, so like he 1510 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,639 respects her for that. But I think when he goes 1511 01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:52,639 back to criminal Fisk, he's not gonna want that. He's 1512 01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:55,559 gonna want the person that is completely loyal to him 1513 01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:57,480 and not gonna question him, not gonna say oh, should 1514 01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,039 you do it this way? So I think that's what 1515 01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:01,719 they're trying to do. At the day, Annuels showing hey, 1516 01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:04,960 look when people are completely kissing his feet, he's gonna 1517 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,000 spare them, even if he threatens him, He's gonna spare them. 1518 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,559 Where Vanessa like, like e the way she talked about 1519 01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:13,360 Annie that was or Adam fuck, it was like to me, 1520 01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:16,280 was felt like very disrespectful in front of another person, 1521 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,039 like talk about his hands and the way he touched, 1522 01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:20,079 Like you don't have to talk about an affair like that, 1523 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,119 Like that felt like she was kind of rubbing it 1524 01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:24,800 in his face a little bit. She didn't seem like 1525 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,880 she regretted. She doesn't regret it. I don't view she 1526 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,440 regrets that at all. So and my other thing in 1527 01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:32,159 that session, I really love when I can't remember the 1528 01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:33,960 line that set them up at the therapist is like, oh, 1529 01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:37,320 like political and they both on yousa business like because 1530 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,199 they don't want to talk about like what they do 1531 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,480 and they just use it as business. Some very good 1532 01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:44,440 comedic moments there, But uh yeah, I think this episode 1533 01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:47,400 is just to show that Fisk is gonna only choose 1534 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,840 those people that are and even the lady that is 1535 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,159 the way she said that of like oh, fist, you 1536 01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:56,719 know you'll be gone, Fist will be on, I'm still here. 1537 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,960 To me, that was another foreshadow and I'm like, oh, 1538 01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,119 you're gonna be gone, like Daniel's gonna get her jaw. 1539 01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:03,039 I think so by season two, it's gonna be Fisk 1540 01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:06,119 is gone or not. Vanessa's gone and now Daniel's like 1541 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,360 the head running thing who's already like kind of like 1542 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,960 a shady individual. So which all I all like stuff, 1543 01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:15,320 you know, and therapy stuff was good and yeah, Adam, 1544 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,800 that was that was fantastic. He's got the painting up 1545 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,599 there from that he bought from Vanessa and that has 1546 01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,440 bullseyes blood all over it. So he's still got this painting. 1547 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,599 And to me, that revealed like maybe there was like 1548 01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:28,639 a day where he felt he could do good, but 1549 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,679 he never really was ever gonna be good. Like from 1550 01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:35,559 first episode he had those bloody fists and he's had 1551 01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,559 Adam this whole time, which is like, what's he doing 1552 01:05:37,679 --> 01:05:38,119 to Adam? 1553 01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,119 Speaker 5: You know? So, uh, he never was gonna turn a leaf, 1554 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,400 you know, just like that. I guess. 1555 01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think seemed out of character for me 1556 01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:50,320 to keep to keep this prisoner. Also, it's like a 1557 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,320 massive risk. Do you guys think that Vanessa knows that 1558 01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:54,239 Adam is in there? 1559 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:55,360 Speaker 6: No? 1560 01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:58,679 Speaker 3: No, yeah I don't. I don't think so either. But 1561 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,920 it seems like I don't know where this prison is, 1562 01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:05,159 but like seems like a very huge risk for him 1563 01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:07,360 to keep this guy. It also doesn't seem like I 1564 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,280 feel like he's just such a rage kind of guy 1565 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,159 that he would just kill at him given the opportunity, 1566 01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:15,159 which he clearly has at this point. So to me, like, 1567 01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:19,000 the only reason it feels like it exists is I 1568 01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,559 guess two reasons. One it could be that Vanessa finds 1569 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,920 this prison and then like freaks out and that leads 1570 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,639 to some issues, or it's like a way to get 1571 01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:31,079 him down later, Like I don't know, Matt can find 1572 01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,559 that and prove that to the cops or something, and 1573 01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:34,960 then like I guess Fisk would get a rested because 1574 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,840 he literally has like a prisoner in his house or 1575 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,880 something like that. So to me, it didn't actually feel 1576 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,320 like it fit the character. It just felt like it 1577 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,559 was there to serve one of these plot points that's 1578 01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:46,159 gonna come up later. So I don't know, we'll see 1579 01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:47,559 what happens with it. Like I don't know if we're 1580 01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:50,800 gonna get a scene of like Joe from you just 1581 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,440 going down to his prison to like talk to his 1582 01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:54,599 prisoner every day and we get that dynamic. I'm not 1583 01:06:54,639 --> 01:06:56,159 sure if that's what we're getting with at him, But 1584 01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:58,960 to me, it seems a little out of character. I know, 1585 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,320 it sounds weird, to say that because he still like 1586 01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,920 harboring this prisoner in his house, which is like a 1587 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:05,000 very evil thing to do. But it just yeah, I 1588 01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,880 just feel like he would have killed him. That's that's 1589 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:08,360 the king pin. 1590 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,679 Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, I agree with the first assessment. I 1591 01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:13,960 think it's for Vanessa to play a part and find 1592 01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:16,599 and whatnot. I think it's just for that mcguffin and 1593 01:07:16,679 --> 01:07:19,920 that kind of will be maybe he kind of even. 1594 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,159 Speaker 3: When she's in the therapy session, like I don't know 1595 01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:25,719 what happened to him, Like you don't think Fisk had 1596 01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,199 something to do with it, Like she has to at 1597 01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:29,960 least know that, right, So she she just assumed that 1598 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,119 he killed him, and maybe that's like better than like 1599 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,400 keeping him a prisoner. I don't know. 1600 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess I think it's strange that she hasn't 1601 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,159 like confronted about that because like, like you just said, like, yeah, 1602 01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:44,000 there's no way that she wouldn't have suspicions that Fisk 1603 01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:47,679 is the one, you know, directly or indirectly that caused 1604 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,599 him to disappear. I mean, technically she told him not 1605 01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:52,239 to kill him and he didn't do that, So I 1606 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,880 guess he's in a way, you know fulfilling that problem. 1607 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,559 Speaker 3: I didn't don't hurt him. 1608 01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:57,119 Speaker 5: I can't remember. 1609 01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:58,840 Speaker 6: I think it's don't kill him, please, don't kill him. 1610 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,639 I'll pull up the up to check. 1611 01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:02,079 Speaker 5: Then that's why he is a lie. 1612 01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,400 Speaker 3: Maybe that's make sure he has his hands still. 1613 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, maybe that's the reason. 1614 01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:11,960 Speaker 2: So maybe, yeah, I don't know. I liked how fucked 1615 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:12,360 up it was. 1616 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,719 Speaker 6: I'm like, damn, okay, this is this is the Kingpint 1617 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,880 that I should be fearing and appreciate. 1618 01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:20,520 Speaker 3: That's like his television like entertainment program is like going 1619 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,680 to eat dinner while he watched his prison might be in. 1620 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,720 Speaker 6: The same episode you have that and then him getting 1621 01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:31,119 rebuilt this city by a bunch of school graders, you know, and. 1622 01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:34,239 Speaker 1: Then the La Lavarians later remember they were singing the 1623 01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:34,920 same song. 1624 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 5: When he looked over, Oh my god again Like he 1625 01:08:43,159 --> 01:08:45,159 has a whole career, go back to being black. 1626 01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:47,960 Speaker 1: But like vincerd on Offio, such a talent act, just 1627 01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:53,199 those little facials, like fantastic comedic like timing presence, like 1628 01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:56,119 he makes this very serious guy who could just pop 1629 01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:58,199 your head melon, like make you chuckle. 1630 01:08:58,119 --> 01:08:59,960 Speaker 5: Even when he's like like oh we got one more. 1631 01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:01,680 Oh no, no, that's good. And he's putting on the 1632 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,560 jacket like really fast. He's trying to get out. 1633 01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:07,239 Speaker 1: Of there, Like, yeah, great stuff by vinsit there. So 1634 01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:12,239 there were your thoughts on Fisk, Adam, Vanessa, all that jazz. 1635 01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:14,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it took me a second with Adam because I 1636 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,600 thought it is a Daniel in there, and he's just 1637 01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,880 super fucking pissed off it on the note that. 1638 01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:22,560 Speaker 1: Is threw all this hair out and yeah, screwed up 1639 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,800 again for I did not think it was but for 1640 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,479 a split second, like zero point five seconds, like fuck, 1641 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,560 what if that's Foggy. It wasn't, but I thought for 1642 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,880 a second, I'm like, man, wouldn't that be a think 1643 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,239 the same thing like to Maddick said he never he 1644 01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,239 never kills friends, but like a magine. But yeah, I 1645 01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:38,439 didn't kill Foggy because that was the other thing before 1646 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,680 you go to their every the first when Foggy got killed, 1647 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,479 he mentioned he was working on a case I had 1648 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,520 to do with red Hook. Each episode there's been a 1649 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,319 red Hook mentioned, and in this episode again when they 1650 01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,479 had that little table there they're talking, that is the 1651 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,840 red Hook thing. As we talked about last week, there 1652 01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:56,479 is a storyline where Foggy fakes his death to become 1653 01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,159 an informant so that those people that have that red 1654 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:02,680 Hook theory, it keeps popping up. I don't even after 1655 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,159 the Punisher stuff, I kind of want Foggy stay dead 1656 01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:07,319 because I think you lose some of that meaning. 1657 01:10:07,399 --> 01:10:11,119 Speaker 5: But like there is some signs for the Foggy deniers. 1658 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:10,840 Speaker 1: So. 1659 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,640 Speaker 4: Let's see it. Come back, Foggy come back. 1660 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,119 Speaker 5: You want you want him back? Oh right, he was 1661 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,319 your favorite the show, right, yeah. 1662 01:10:18,279 --> 01:10:20,840 Speaker 4: Come back to me. Then when he comes back that 1663 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,840 he can bring Karen back, and then we're all. 1664 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,640 Speaker 3: She's chill three san fran Right. 1665 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,119 Speaker 4: She's a lot, but she'll come back when Foggy is back. 1666 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:29,880 Speaker 5: She's come back for season two. They're filming right now. 1667 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,319 Speaker 1: There's pictures of her on set, so she's sounds like 1668 01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:34,199 she's gonna have a bigger role next year, thank god. 1669 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,119 Speaker 3: So it's hard to have a small role, that's true. 1670 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,319 Speaker 4: Yeah. So with mister Fisk, he's uh yeah, those scenes 1671 01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:44,840 and everything when he's trying to be doing the mayor stuff, 1672 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,560 it's it's great. I think he's he's fantastic at that. Yeah. 1673 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,199 I think him wanting to do all the the stuff 1674 01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:54,199 with the with the docks and just make it into 1675 01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:56,880 a place of industry in New York and all that jazz, 1676 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,840 and you know, I imagine that there's probably a lot 1677 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,600 of the reality surrounding it. When she was like, oh, 1678 01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,680 you know, you need to submit this, Uh, you need 1679 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,079 to pitch it to council, and then we'll do his 1680 01:11:07,159 --> 01:11:10,279 survey and then we'll get people's thoughts. But oh, before 1681 01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:11,800 you pitch it a council, you got to go get 1682 01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,680 like a public opinion something or whatever. It's like, fuck, 1683 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,039 is this why I haven't bought in the house yet 1684 01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:19,119 here because it's all this fucking like, oh, public approval. 1685 01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:24,159 It's like Jesus, fuck my god, this is bullshit. Anyways, 1686 01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:25,920 I feel for Fisk in this, I really do. You know, 1687 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,720 he's a man who doesn't like red tape. All he's 1688 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,960 done so far is fill a hole. That's it. 1689 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,439 Speaker 2: So not the whole which was that everyone was there 1690 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,880 ready to go in that scene. But weird, that's right. 1691 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,439 Speaker 4: But yeah, I just think that he's going to crack. 1692 01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:47,039 He's absolutely gonna crack because he's not cut for this 1693 01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:50,039 kind of life where you're just sitting patient and just 1694 01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:52,840 letting all this stuff kind of unblind, and he's like, 1695 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,960 why do I care about the Latvians or whatever. It's like, well, 1696 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,239 you know, they're like nineteen percent of your vote or whatever. 1697 01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:03,079 Speaker 5: He has no idea. He does a good like that's 1698 01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:04,560 a good chunk. You don't want to keep those people 1699 01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:05,119 happy if you just. 1700 01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:06,840 Speaker 2: Think about his meal he's gonna have with Adam later. 1701 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,640 Speaker 1: And it was it's so funny at the times he's 1702 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,600 with a little egg almond thing, little fish him this 1703 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,600 big fucking like get me the extra large double sausage 1704 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:18,880 vest Like I. 1705 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:19,439 Speaker 5: Don't know why. 1706 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,279 Speaker 6: Maybe he knows he has high cholesterol Vanessa's guarded diet, 1707 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:24,239 or it's like. 1708 01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,279 Speaker 5: Does he know that's like Adam's favorite meal or something 1709 01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:27,960 you just eating in front of him. I don't know. 1710 01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:31,680 Speaker 4: So I definitely would love Fisk to make me, uh, 1711 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,479 make me a meal. I think he would. 1712 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, he cooks a lot to cook. 1713 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:36,159 Speaker 2: Does he cook? 1714 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's always cooking. The original series, block that out 1715 01:12:40,119 --> 01:12:40,520 of my brain. 1716 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,039 Speaker 4: I don't remember. 1717 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:43,199 Speaker 5: Rewatch it. 1718 01:12:47,119 --> 01:12:50,560 Speaker 2: Here, we'll do another retro, the re re retro. 1719 01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:54,680 Speaker 4: I imagine every time Vanessa mentions hands, he just he's like, 1720 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,479 all right, I'm gonna see Adam tonight. It just kicks 1721 01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,039 a shtu of you know, your fucking hands, cut those. 1722 01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:01,800 Speaker 5: Hand off and like have him put him on a 1723 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,000 plaque or something. 1724 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,439 Speaker 4: Something like that. Yeah, but yeah, I think Vanessa dying. 1725 01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,000 I think that that's a that's a possibility or some 1726 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,680 some fluke or whatever. I don't know. Maybe maybe she'll 1727 01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:15,439 she'll fall in front of a subway train when Fisk 1728 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,319 is like, I don't know, Fisk is doing something. I 1729 01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:19,920 think it'll be an accidental death where Fisk is one 1730 01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:21,439 hundred percent to blame though. 1731 01:13:23,159 --> 01:13:24,079 Speaker 3: So not accidental. 1732 01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not accidental, like like her flying off the train. 1733 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,319 Speaker 3: Him and I drop a chandelier on someone that. 1734 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,239 Speaker 4: I think, I think like they'll be they could be. 1735 01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:35,680 Like for here's some context. So they're on they're on 1736 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,279 the train platform in the subway and Vanessa is like 1737 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,960 you fucking locked up, Andy, and he's like yeah. Then 1738 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,479 he just turns a backhands er, not intending to kill her. 1739 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,119 But then she's so frail she flies thirty feet off 1740 01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:49,159 right in front of the train. 1741 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,439 Speaker 1: You talk about her like she's Betty White ninety nine, 1742 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,760 like like she's a grown woman who like looks great, 1743 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:56,880 Like I don't like I look. 1744 01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,319 Speaker 5: At his actress. Oh that's a frail actress, you know, Like, 1745 01:13:59,359 --> 01:14:02,319 I know he's big, but like he's I. 1746 01:14:02,319 --> 01:14:05,399 Speaker 4: Think, you know, Kingpinned backhands your year immediately frail. 1747 01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,319 Speaker 1: I think I hope when he backhands her she says like, yeah, 1748 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,640 somehow's gonna Adam's hands though, and then like the. 1749 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,920 Speaker 5: Fuck like said something about it. But I think that 1750 01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,119 would be Fisk's fault. I don't think we're in that 1751 01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:20,319 scenario that paint out that he backhands on the train. 1752 01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,680 Speaker 1: Plus, we also just lost a cop to a train. 1753 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,840 I don't like trains. He was just gonna die from 1754 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,600 a train. Yeah, Frank's gonna type up all the cops 1755 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,319 and put him on the train tracks. Like all the 1756 01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:32,319 major deaths happened. 1757 01:14:32,399 --> 01:14:34,800 Speaker 3: Limited budget. Everyone's dying in the same set. 1758 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:35,920 Speaker 4: We got to make use of it. 1759 01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:37,800 Speaker 5: Why did you guys spend a million dollars on a 1760 01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,199 train set? Well, we got lots of plans. 1761 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:48,600 Speaker 1: We made it worth Yeah, that's the Lego train, which 1762 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,720 is fitting because Daredel does kill a criminal in the 1763 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,239 original movie with a train. 1764 01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:54,159 Speaker 5: He kicks them off and he's like, you see those 1765 01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:57,520 white lights, it's not Heaven. Does that that's a c 1766 01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,880 train and oh god, and he gets ran on. 1767 01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,119 Speaker 4: Was he supposed to be a murderer in that movie? 1768 01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,439 Speaker 5: That's the arc of that movie? Is he stops being 1769 01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:04,920 a murderer. 1770 01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:07,720 Speaker 1: Oh of course we did retro that movie you Me 1771 01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,199 and Dylan, But sounds like we have to retro it 1772 01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:09,800 again at some point. 1773 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:14,560 Speaker 5: Did we really can? Yeah back in the Yeah, exactly. 1774 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,520 Speaker 1: Maybe there'll be a Patrons movie night because that'd be 1775 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,680 a fun one. But anything else, Actually I look at 1776 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:20,439 my nose just to make sure. 1777 01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,079 Speaker 5: But anything else we missed? 1778 01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:25,239 Speaker 4: No, I mean looks good. 1779 01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:26,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, we juiced it. 1780 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:31,520 Speaker 3: Oh god? 1781 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,840 Speaker 5: What is Yeah? Okay, I talk about the Foggy thing, Daniel. 1782 01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,920 Speaker 1: I really like the score during the Punisher and Matt conversation, 1783 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,000 and uh no that's all I had. So we'll be 1784 01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:47,520 back next week for a juicy double episode. I think 1785 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,239 we're getting Matt wearing those horns. We'll get some action. 1786 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,800 See what happens, See who dies from a train? 1787 01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:53,880 Speaker 5: Let us know. 1788 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,880 Speaker 1: You join the discord. We have a dared Devil channel. 1789 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,000 Less of your thoughts, theories, everything, you think Foggy's alive? 1790 01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:02,479 Do you think fis gonna backhand somebody? Do you think 1791 01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,960 you know not much baby in this episode when she 1792 01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:07,319 gonna pop up again, Who knows. 1793 01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,439 Speaker 5: But when we talk about it, I'll moan to be 1794 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,319 boring Baby. 1795 01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:12,199 Speaker 3: See you later.