Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Daredevil
Board again. Reviews Episode four. I'm the nose of hell Kitchen.
Trust now I'm joined by Hell's kitchen.
Speaker 2: I'm his hands.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Dylan Less.
Speaker 4: I am just Taylor, just Taylor. Didn't have time to
change it, forgot what my nickname is going to be
minutes late. You had tons of time were you talking
about Amail? I was gonna do something cookie related, but
I was like, what the fuck are the name of
those cookies?
Speaker 5: I can't remember cookie related?
Speaker 3: Okay, fiddle fiddle fiddle, Yes, I think that is.
Speaker 4: A fiddler diler.
Speaker 3: I don't like here and fiddler fiddler.
Speaker 5: Fiddler or Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have done Adam this week, Taylor, because
you did any before. You should have done the atom
to you feel, because that's the right name, right for
the Vanessa love interest.
Speaker 4: That's that's right, Andy Adam and Adam Andy Fiddler.
Speaker 2: It's almost Adamantium.
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So I'm gonna start with mister Field and nonsports because
you were not here last week, so you can give
like maybe a quick just you know, elevator pitch two sentences,
three senses, a siloquy of what.
Speaker 3: You no more than three sentences or you're kicked out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me when the dot happens. But yeah, a
little thought of what you thought last week, and then
what do you think about this week?
Speaker 5: Down spoilers?
Speaker 4: Yeah, last week, yeah, Fisk found me and just kicked
the shit me leaked his secrets. Ben you're Ben Yarret. Yeah,
but yeah, I think last week was it was short,
but it was it was fun and there was some high,
high octane kind of tense moments in the courtroom and whatnot,
and then it just you know, I thought, oh, this
is great writing on a high note, and holy fuck,
that was definitely a high note for sure, because.
Speaker 1: You like vigilant he's getting killed. That's a high note
for you. Yeah, yeah, your team Fisk.
Speaker 4: I'm oh yeah, Fisk, I mean he's you know, he's
mayor for a reason. You know, he's making things happen.
No red tape for him. That's I love it. But no,
that's just that caught me off guard. I was really
really rooting for this guy, and he definitely had a
shitty hand that was dealt to him, and I just
my god. So I'm excited to kind of see more
about this realgue group that they've been show showcasing here
with these cops, you know. I mean, I I feel
like any cop that's gonna like turn his head into
courtroom like in last week's episode has a big fucking
punisher tattoo on his neck is like maybe subject for
a little bit of like a mental inspection or some
kind of psychological test or something like that. But hey,
I'm not police chief and house kitchens, so what do
I know. Yeah, it was a good episode. I really
I really did enjoy it. Getting to this week's episode,
I think, yeah, it's it's picked up, and I feel like, Okay,
this is one chapter is kind of closed right now,
and now we've stepped into a new one. And while
they're definitely gonna keep continuing with certain things and certain
narrative components from the previous chapter, I feel like, Okay,
we're really just putting our toes into a whole new
thing because we've been introduced to a few new storylines
here and they're stepping into some some new rooms now
and I'm excited to see where this is gonna kind
of go. And we're only on episode four.
Speaker 5: What was the.
Speaker 4: Episode counts again?
Speaker 5: Is it nine?
Speaker 1: So we're just about, you know, halfway through the season.
Speaker 3: And there's a doubler in there too, right another double week?
Speaker 4: Next week is the double Okay, Yeah, so it'll be
cool to see where we're gonna kind of go with this.
But hopefully hopefully they can kind of just not over
overwhelm with what they're what they're trying to do, because
uh again hopefully, I'm just I'm worried that maybe they
might introduce like too too much, too too much. I
just think, Okay, let's just what they've got right now.
Let's let's keep this going and see where this goes.
And yeah, I guess that's all I can really say
without spoiling any of the fiddle diddles.
Speaker 1: So yeah, coming to a bakery near you, do mus
does dittle your fiddle this week.
Speaker 3: I don't want to continue this diddle fiddle thing. I'm
just gonna move past that. Yeah, I think that this
episode kind of is maybe the first episode here where
I'm kind of just coasting off where I've been the
last few episodes, which is good. I'm really enjoying the
show so far. I think it kind of just continues
to be that the Fisk Mayor storyline. I'm not finding
super gripping, Like we got a few because last week
was a very centered episode on like kind of this
one storyline then a couple other small things, whereas this
one was like, Okay, we're visiting every character, everyone gets
a little bit of something to do, and we did
get a decent amount of the Fisk Mayor sort of things,
and I'm just not loving it. Maybe it's like the
Dweeby sidekick guy that I'm not into, uh, or maybe
it's just the general trajectory or just doesn't feel there's
nothing about it that's like particular the gripping for me,
and it feels maybe a little disconnected from the other
parts of the show at this point in time. So
that still is kind of like maybe the week weak
spot for me, But otherwise I really enjoyed what we
got here, some good Fisk Vanessa stuff. There's a lot
that happens in this episode, but there's two scenes in
particular that were like really really great, really really fun scenes,
some teasing at some stuff that I don't know what
the heck is going on there, and there's a guy
in the thumbnail. I maybe i'll maybe I won't say
what's going on there, I guess for non spoiler stuff.
But I quite enjoyed the episode. I had had a
good time with it, and yeah, I felt a little
more meaty than last week's episode. Even though last week's
was good, it was just, you know, a little more centered.
But excited for this doubler next week. I think we'll
get a lot of progress and a lot of these storylines.
Speaker 5: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: The only reason I gave hair clearance on the thumbnails
because Disney Plus had that character on.
Speaker 4: The thumb Travis insisted.
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, you open up Disney Plus. He'sist something,
all right, you can you can show uh iron man,
It's okay, you know.
Speaker 3: As you guys know, I got home kind of late.
I'm like, I don't know if I canna miss this,
but I saw that thumb. I'm like, okay, I gotta
I gotta us of this episode.
Speaker 1: I gotta be on this episode, mister Pats.
Speaker 2: Or mister me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you say that like half the time,
I've never thought about a decade.
Speaker 2: Yes, mister me.
Speaker 6: I I feel like this episode was a little bit
of a dip down for me off of last week,
but not really significant. I think there's some things in
here where I was really just questioning why we were
spending time on it, Like it's just like Man nine episodes,
Like we're really really focusing on this here, Like I
don't know, it just seemed like it It's almost like
a filler episode at at portions of it. However, you know,
some saucy things go on in the back half, and
uh I was. I was juicing up on it, and
even in the moment when when we're maybe having certain
scenes with Matt and and whoever. Uh it, it felt
a little bit sidetracking, a little bit side questy, but
I was still loving what was going on. Like I
think Charlie Cox is just still so fantastic in this
loytery type role. I was just having maybe a hard
time seeing the connection to like what what the focus
of a certain case is to like just the overall storyline.
And then I don't know, so some things come out
of it, but so for the most part, still positive,
but I think just a little bit of a step
down from last week. However, I kind of forgot the
next week was a doubler and that gets me really excited,
just with how we leave off here and uh yeah, no,
it's just it's gonna be it's gonna be bloody. I
would expect in the in the next two episodes here
and h the Fisk stuff.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I don't know. Well, I maybe I'll.
Speaker 6: Save it for the spoilers because I kind of want
to just unravel all my thoughts at once. But uh,
maybe mostly negative. I would say on on on Fisk
right now in this show, and yeah, I'll leave it there,
but still enjoying it overall, still hopeful for for next week.
But I will say I feel like where I'm feeling
right now, I don't think this show is like a
safe pass for me, Like I I definitely could see
them fumbling this hard. Uh the end of the season.
It is a two season er, so like maybe maybe
I should hold out hope, but I think just uh, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just that sounds like a big potential to climb from
last week. Last week, you were love the show, so
the fact that you could potentially s.
Speaker 6: My favorite episode. It was just like what we got
this week. I felt like a major drop off until
until something's happened. But still it wasn't enough to really Yeah,
I don't know. I'm speaking in riddles on myself here.
I just want to save it for spoilers. But okay, yeah,
it's like a it's like a limp thumbs up right now.
Speaker 2: I guess I'll get it.
Speaker 1: The classic is that the episode of the whole show
right now is the limp thumbs up.
Speaker 2: Whole show right now will show.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's a flask limp.
Speaker 2: In the yeah direction.
Speaker 5: Well, it's that's good to know.
Speaker 3: Great, I like that more than the number system. That's
good to me. How were wrecked or flaccid?
Speaker 5: Is your thumb? Where are you on the how many
films flaccid? I'm a cold winter's day on this one. Boys.
Speaker 1: It's funny this review series because last week Kirkland Dylan
were much higher on it, and then I feel like
this week sounds like it's a little ho hummer. This
is good, this is bad, you know, et cetera. For me,
this is like easily the best episode of the season,
Like clears the rest of them by far. Yes, there
is a character that I absolutely love that they nailed,
so there could be some of that, But I think
in general, I talk about the fifth stuff because I
feel like that was we've talked about the past three weeks,
so like, Okay, which way are they going with this?
Speaker 5: What's the motivation here?
Speaker 1: And I think they fully showed their hand of like okay,
not in a bad way, like this is what the
design is and here we are.
Speaker 5: And if you question things about him the.
Speaker 1: Past few weeks, you were right too, because X Y
and Z I this Actually think I liked the most
at him and Vanessa therapy. I don't think I've ever
really disliked it. I know lots of people actually do.
But I feel like, Okay, I like Vanessa, the storyline,
the character, like the actress. I like their connection. I'm
seeing what we're doing here, and I thought this was
the best scene. Charlie Cox for me was like, it's
tough because that foggy death see in the first episode.
That was some great acting, but that didn't bring me
to tears. I teared up in this episode because of
Charlie Cox, also because another person as well, but man
did he bring it. And I'm excited to talk about
the connections because I feel like for me it was
like a perfect line of what's going on other than
maybe one story, but there's something that I can maybe
revealed there too, So for me, it was all click.
And this was the first time I felt like, Okay,
each episode, I've loved some things, and really maybe not
each episode. Last week I really disliked that one, But
this week gave me a lot more hope than I
ever had because episode one was that weird, Okay, it's Netflix,
Disney plus combo. This episode two was all right, we're
kind of still getting in the swing of things and
little stuff like I think we talked about this. I
don't mind spoiling this little aspect where with Karen and
Foggy being gone one way or another. I didn't like
the new lawyer and the new cop being part of
the episode. I very much appreciate in this episode that
that lawyer friend or whoever Matt works with called them
once I had a conversation and that was it for
That's exactly what I want. I no disrespect to the actors,
and we didn't even see the cop character like that's
what I want. I'm completely fine with that with Foggy
and Karen being gone. If their roles they have some
oh this guy's gonna get a see episode, this guy's
getting seene episode. That's it. Like this is what I need.
Focus on that, focus on Fisk. I don't need the others,
maybe even be the Yurick sure, but this was like, okay,
we're the other weeks. I felt like, man, this was
just Karen Foggy and you don't have them back. So yeah,
all my kind of problems I had were gone. I'm
not saying like, oh, I'm completely I'm on board. I mean, like,
I don't think I'm completely like, oh, this show is
now going to be leveling Netflix stair Leuvel. No, because
I think there's some storylines I gotta see play out,
and the other episodes I thought, you know, had some issues,
but this one, for me, was fantastic and I'm very
excited for some some things to come up, and they
were going and I think this delivered a top three
Netflix stair doubl scene including the history including the other
stuff of Jessa Jones.
Speaker 5: It was it was up there. I think he even
beat the Fisk diner scene.
Speaker 1: So I absolutely loved that segment and I'm very excited
to talk about it.
Speaker 5: So anything else non spoilers.
Speaker 1: Not a all right, So if you haven't seen it,
come back the episode.
Speaker 5: We'll be waiting for you because after this break, we're
gonna break it down. So we'll beat right back.
Speaker 1: And we are back. So we've been tiptoeing around and everything. Right,
let's just talk about it, Andy, No, I'm joking. John
birth Also, we had known him before he was back.
You should go and read his Entertainment Weekly interview. He
did a good interview that just dropped right out this episode.
Talked about how they originally pitched and a comeback and
then the original show he turned it down because he
did not like what they're doing for Frank Castle, and
then it led to like new writers, and then they
pitched him and they wanted to see, like what did
he think?
Speaker 5: And that's how the special.
Speaker 1: Start too, because he was writing some stuff about the
character and he's like, oh, what if we did this?
Speaker 5: And I'm very excited, he said.
Speaker 1: He's described the special as Punscher turning his back on
the fans, just like, oh my god, like that that's special.
Next year is gonna get real fucking gross and dirty.
He even said that like we're going hard Punishers, Like
I cannot wait.
Speaker 4: But I think, what does that mean fans?
Speaker 5: I think in the.
Speaker 1: Way kind of like they I think lots of people
look at Punisher, and I think it's similar to the
way the cops are on this where they glorify Punisher,
where it's like, oh, he's a gun toting badass, right,
but it's really like he's a character that suffers from
big psychological damage and issues and he's a very He's
one of the.
Speaker 5: Sads Kombo characters all time.
Speaker 1: But I don't think people when they wear that skull logo,
that's not what they represent.
Speaker 5: They're thinking of like Frank cast.
Speaker 1: So with the skull and he has a battle van
and he's shooting stuff, like, I think that's what he means,
like and even describe the special he says it's gonna
be about how psychologically tortured Frank is. So I think
that's what he means by back on the fans, it's
people that think like, oh, yeah, Punisher, he's a badass.
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, but you.
Speaker 1: Would never want to be the Punisher, right, it's the
same thing. It's not the same level. But you wouln't
want to be Batman because that comes with like childhood
trauma and all this stuff. Right, So I think that's
what he's kind of getting at, and I think that
ties into the cop stuff.
Speaker 5: Kirkle wants his parents dead, So that's fine.
Speaker 4: That's what I think. If you want to be punisher,
like you ought, that just means, Okay, you have to
lose the wife and the kid. You can't just like
train and like you just get buffed and like just
be a badass.
Speaker 1: And that's punisher comes with all the depression and the
pain that comes with it.
Speaker 5: So that's what it's like.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you could be this badass that doesn't die,
could win every scenario, but yeah, tell your entire family
is to die in front of you.
Speaker 5: You know you want that, you want to be Oh.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not, I'm not. Is the one who is.
Speaker 2: He Batman?
Speaker 1: Okay, hear that, Linn, you hear that, Linn. Curkle will
get you, let you get gunned down. She'll He'll let
you get gun down alley for some money, you know.
But I think I think this is for people that
were around the Netflix era, and it's for Dylan as well.
It might be repetitive. I don't know if I had
decided or I was always mulling it over, but I
could confidently say, like, and maybe this is a cast
we should do at some point. My top three for
combo cast endeavor is Ledger Jackman, and it's definitely Bernenthal
in this scene. I do not feel like I'm watching
John Bernall. This is Punisher ripped off the fucking page
and he's there. And I sometimes feel that with Charlie
cox Ender and off. But sometimes I always feel like, oh,
this is great acting. This is is like, that's not
birth Now, that is Frank Castle and man, that scene
was just ten out of ten home run everything about it.
John Birthnall like shows his versatilities, Like at first when
they start the scene, he's kind of like mocking them all,
kind of like a little more comedic, and then he's
like getting rageful at him. He's giving this big speech,
and then at the end he's broken. He's like shattered
when Matt talks about how they can't become decent men,
and he just looks like he's lost. Like everything you
have to do as an actor. Watch this John Burnhall
scene of my God. I have more to say, but
just so good have him back. I was gonna wait
to watch the show to the next year, close to special.
I'm gonna start that rewatch like next week here, because
fuck man, he's so good. But he is, like he
is up there with those grades as far as like
best combo casting ever period drop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: I mean I love that scene. It's uh, it was
so good to have him back. And I guess that
that was like in the trailer or a teaser or
something right, like just like him stabbing the lock or
whatever it is. But I mean it was funny because
it's like it is a very emotional scene, but like
I was also laughing a little bit just because like
him calling him red and like doing the voice and
like stabbing shit. It's just it's like all these things
that I feel like we've been meming on for years
of the performance, which is you know, part part of
the rage of it. But yeah, he is just an
insanely good actor. The amount of like depth he has,
the amount that like, you know, years ago we talked
a lot about like I acting and like all these
are the good like Tom Hardy and stuff. But Bernhal
he is so insanely good just with like the little
subtleties as well. And I think this was particularly fun because, yeah,
especially with Foggy and Karen, I mean, they're here briefly,
but now that they're gone, there aren't a lot of
people that really know Matt and Slash dared of like
on on this level. You know, he's getting to know
this psych hi, this therapist lady, and they're kind of dating.
He has other friends and people he's connected with, but like,
I don't know, Punisher can just like dig way deeper
into him and kind of like dismantle his thoughts before
he even gets to say them. It's kind of like
in the opposite of how Matt, with his kind of
extra sensory abilities, is always kind of like a step
ahead of other people, reading in their intentions or knowing
more about them than they maybe even know about themselves
or they wouldn't expect him to know. And Punish is
able to do that just because he spent so much
time with him and he kind of understands the mentality
that a lot of this comes with the vigilante lifestyle
and all that. And I think it was just so
good that he was like kind of coaxing him a
little bit, kind of pulling him and pushing him off
balance constantly, and in a way that wasn't a fight scene,
you know, it was just like purely just I don't know,
a mental fight scene, you know, going at him, And yeah,
it was. It was thrilling. The only thing is, like,
I don't know what this means for how much he'll
be in the rest of the season. I almost feel
like just this one seems so powerful that could kick
Daredevil like doing his own thing, and like, I don't
know how much more punishing you need to fuel that.
Like I feel like we kind of got that, But
I'm curious to see what else he did because obviously
there's the element of him not loving that there's all
these people that are kind of doing things under his name,
and we'll see what kind of revenge tail he goes
on there. But either way, even just like obviously at
the end of the episode, Matt's back on the roof
practicing and all that, so it definitely fired him up.
So yeah, it was such a great scene, especially after
all these years, you know, because now we've had a
few weeks of this show being back, but it's still
been many years since we've had Punisher back, so it
feels good to finally have Bernhal here.
Speaker 1: He's at least in one more episode that I know,
and I think it's gonna be juicy.
Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's some good stuff.
Speaker 2: And what I want to it's on Disney already.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's on for episode eight and like ripping some of.
Speaker 1: Apart and what you said Dylan that I don't I
want to say before I forget even Matt hit him,
but he didn't hit him back. That I thought for
sure Frank was gonna start throwing fist, but he didn't.
Right when Matt apologized, he pulled back. So it's like
you could have got like a mini fight scene and
done the classic like okay, two minutes they square off
and then go back to talking. But I almost liked
that better where that's not what punishers looking for. At
a Matt, he's trying to get him back in you know,
that Halloween costume in a sense, you know, because there
are two sides of the same coin, just the only
like they pretty much have very similar mindsets. The only
difference is Matt does not want to kill people we're
Punisher has absolutely I won't say he has no problem,
but he knows that's what.
Speaker 5: Needs to be done, you know, mm hmm, chills, glad you.
I'm glad you hit it. I was gonna hit it, but.
Speaker 6: No, that was that was pretty much me this entire scene.
I completely agree with everything you guys already brought up.
This is uh. I feel like I was just so
shocked on like how ten out of ten Berenthal was
like in this scene.
Speaker 2: I think Charlie Cox has been fantastic.
Speaker 6: I had some issues at the start of the show
just because I felt like I just finished the season
three of Daredevil jumping right into this show, and so
like right away I just noticed, like I don't know,
Charlie had like a little bit more wrinkles than maybe
he did in that last seat, Like there's just something
like a little bit off, Like now, yeah, he's he's
he's he's hitting the stride a hundred percent with where
he was in that character. But I think for John Burnhal,
like it literally feels like he's been plucked out, you know,
he got pulled through hell a few times. He's looking terrible,
he's got he's all beaten up, dirty, he's got the
long hair, with the beard. He looks even more jacked
than he did like back then, like he's he's just
he he looks so stellar. And then the performance overall
was just yeah, it was ten to ten.
Speaker 4: I chills.
Speaker 6: I won't play the video again, but I like that
was me pretty much the whole scene. I one hundred
percent thought it was gonna be like a hand to
hand fight scene. Then both get bloody, and that's and
the and then they get like maybe heart to heart.
Speaker 2: I think it's so much more powerful.
Speaker 6: You guys already said it, but it's so much more
powerful that it wasn't like a fistfight in that sense.
It was just like a battle of the of the
speech and uh yeah, no I I I don't think
they could have done that scene like any better. The
way that Matt just out of like like he was
trying so hard to like pull or like not throw punches,
but then like he just kept pushing him, pushing him,
and then finally just like reacted pretty fucking solid punch. Yeah,
And like Frank just barely reacts. He's just such a
he's just such a stone stone wall of a man.
Speaker 4: But Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think it was so powerful the way that they're
both like getting emotional and tearing up at various stages.
Just the stuff that they're talking about, the way that
they were just again like comparing themselves of putting them
in that category. I loved how Matt said like specifically
people like us, not just like like yeah, he's always
had an issue with with the Punisher's methods because he's
straight up killing people. All of Season two is pretty
much about that conflict. But still here like Matt is
realizing that like he's a sinner also like like he
puts him in the same category as Frank, And yeah,
I think it was just so great the way that
they were talking about like Foggy, Bullseye, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: It was it was phenomenal.
Speaker 5: I Yeah.
Speaker 1: Even him going to Frank and almost trying to coax
him to go back on the streets is like sure,
Matt's not killing people, but like in a sense he's
pointing the gun like he's telling Frank to go out there.
And that's why I love Frank call him out like oh,
there's something you want to ask me, Like there's something
you want to do, but you want me to do it.
So it's like and that's why I think it fits
so perfectly with Matt training on the roof, because like
Frank doesn't give it to him, because Frank could like
solve the problem and go take out these cops and
kill everybody, which I think he will eventually join up,
because Frank's gonna be looking at that bullet for days
and eventually he's gonna stam the art I'm getting out there.
But I think in the meantime, it's like, oh, like
that was almost Matt's like last resort. It's like, Okay,
it's either I suit up or I get Frank, and
that's awful, But like, I'm just gonna go talk to Frank.
Speaker 5: I love it. Frank just calls him out and just
calls him being pathetic of like.
Speaker 1: Oh you you know, you just don't have the backbone
to do it, and it's just like, oh, and Matt
can't really say he's wrong. I don't think Matt's gonna
go out killing cops and everything, but that's what he
was kind of willing to resort to to not put
that outfit back on.
Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, didn't know.
Speaker 6: I love the way that he calls him out he
is like, I don't think that you actually came here,
you know, for this specific reason. Yeah, like it's something
else and just because you know they've they're similar in
different ways, like Frank's just able to fully see you
right through it. And I honestly was expecting it to
go way differently, like I thought when Frank would have
caught wind of just like the copycat punishers out there,
he would have gotten a lot more heated.
Speaker 2: But uh, it's just so much better the way that
it played out because he didn't care.
Speaker 1: He just brushed it right off, whether he actually doesn't
care or he just did that to fuck with Matt,
because it's like I think he does care.
Speaker 5: He's gonna, like I said, sit and look at that thing.
Speaker 1: And one thing I did like that they established was
you guys, when you reach the show next year, you'll realize.
But anytime Frank has the long hair and the beer,
like I said, he's retired, but they said he's not retired.
Because Dared I was like, what are you down here
plotting your next skill? He's like, yeah, I am. I
even put on the subtitles because when he yelled, I
did not understand what Frank was saying, but the subtitle said, yeah,
he like he agreed that he was plotting a kill.
So I'm not sure if that could even be the
special that whatever Frank's weighing on that's how we get.
Speaker 5: To but I like that it was he has some
plan and he's going after somebody.
Speaker 1: It's not just he's hermited somewhere and like, I'm not
gonna kill me, but it's like that's like for me punishers,
Like he's killing people till he's dead. So I like
that they did establish he's not retired. He's just doing
his own thing under round. I guess I don't know
what that is.
Speaker 6: But well, he had like a full war board behind
him with like people's photos and x'ed out and everything,
so and like he's all bloody even before Mad hit him.
So like, yeah, I'm assuming he's doing some work and
some some punishment of his own. And he even highlights
that with talking about like hearing his boy and like
even when he's quiet, nothing's going on, Like he hears
his boy in his head basically tell him go out
there and got them on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go get him, daddy, And uh sounds weird when
I say that, but he literally said that though, that's
what he says, like like he because of that dialogue, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, today, what did you think?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 4: I think he's just he's freaking fantastic and I'm excited
more so now than ever to get into the like
his two season show and just see what he's he's
up to and there. But uh, yeah, he's he was
definitely catching me off guard when Matt was going down
below and just stumbled upon him and uh, he almost
got his head. But yeah, he's just he's such an
interesting He's such an interesting character because at this stage
of the game, like we've seen him bridge like a
few little bit of connections to their characters. But I
never I felt like his relationship with Matt was always
it was very conflicting, is and my only interaction between
the two of them is with that season two. I
don't know if he appears in Defenders.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I was gonna say that they
confirmed her in the show. They never confirmed that Punisher
knows that Matt is Daredevil, but here.
Speaker 5: They confirmed that.
Speaker 4: That was my next question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, even in season two, when you rewatch it, you
can see Punisher like look at Matt a little bit differently,
but they never outright say.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the Antimetob maguire thing of like
does she noticed she not on this full long because
even that preview they didn't show that.
Speaker 5: They could have just been like, oh.
Speaker 1: It's Matt as the lawyer going to Frank asking him
to do these terrible things, right, but no, he full
on knew he was read and daredevil and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: So yeah, they never confirmed that.
Speaker 1: Now it's confirmed that he knows that Matt Murdock stared up,
which not but Frank really gives a shit, like he's
not gonna go out there and post it.
Speaker 3: Like Frank again, feel like in my memory he already
knew that. So that's funny though, Yeah, kind of assumed that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because they never because when they when he
is arrested and the lawyer stuff happens, it's more Foggy
and Karen that look after him because Frank or Matt's
busy with the hand and Electra, so they don't actually
interact that much as like lawyer and Frank like madden him.
Speaker 5: It's more just that. But yeah, it's which I kind
of like, I liked that we didn't need some big scene.
Speaker 1: Rightno, it's like I could like punishers should be smart
enough to put two and two together, especially like Matt
Murroch became his lawyer too, so he could have like
heard a guy's voice, seen a little thing and go.
Speaker 5: Okay, like something's up with this blind lawyer. You know,
he ain't who he says he is.
Speaker 4: So m hm, well said, I was trying to skim
through and just see what was actually on the board
behind Frank, but it's hard to see because the scene
keeps focusing out off the on him. Yeah, but it
just looks like there's a bunch of there's a bunch
of people's faces with like shouts to scrawls in this
episode two actually, but yeah, a lot of people just
seem to have red x's on their faces. And there's
like one person's body and like a bathtub and uh,
just the map where he's got a photo or there's
just a it's a photo of a person that's.
Speaker 5: Like at I'm sorry, just took out the mole boss.
You want to see him.
Speaker 4: I'm sure someone will be able to like cross reference
the map of New York, but it looks like all
the strings are pointing into like one specific location though,
that he's got bored.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's looking for Spider Man.
Speaker 4: So and do we not think he's like his big
person he's trying to kill his kingpin here.
Speaker 1: No, because I think as he's Mayor, he might let
that kind of play out and see what's gonna happen.
It could be, but that's why I feel like it's
gonna be something to do with that special. Honestly, when
they wrote the show, they probably had no idea. May
they made any plant out seeds? But I think you'll
get that answer. But maybe it could be fisted. That
would be like a fun reveal of it actually being fist,
especially when we get to fist later. Seems like he's
already breaking bad or has like, you know, was he
ever really a good Mayor?
Speaker 5: Who knows that thing where?
Speaker 1: Maybe he is doing that I don't know, or I
don't know so, maybe he's going after a fucking el Noir,
you know, from Hawkey, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know so, or maybe this freaking blood guy, this blood
bandit that we got.
Speaker 5: Use Yeah, I muse, Yeah, I'll talk about him in
a second. What was gonna say?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the scene that got me was when Matt eventually
did say, Foggy and he's just crying.
Speaker 5: You got the glasses going on.
Speaker 1: And then Punishure's not crying, but like he looks very emotional,
Like he looks like it's his version of crying, Like
Frank can't cry anymore, but he can just stoically look
at you. And like I said, and he said, like
no matter. We could live ten lifetimes and never be
as decent as Foggy Nelson. And when he leaves and
Punisher's like looking around everything, he kind of looks like
that cast I like, what the fuck am I doing here?
Like he looked like he questioned everything in that moment.
Not that I think he's gonna retire, but I think
he just again thinks he's doing the right thing, but
then he thinks about it. Really it's like, man, maybe
I'm not or if even if it's my version of
the right thing, it's not overall the right thing that
would get you in the pearly gates of heaven. So
I just love that and end with him like walking
around like, yeah, I get the fuck out of here,
like he was like like just shell shocked.
Speaker 5: And I love that.
Speaker 1: And again, this is why me and Emily had a
good giggle because I've said this many times in cast
I'm for the death penalty.
Speaker 5: She's not. She's maybe turned a little bit over time.
But when Frank gave his.
Speaker 1: Whole speech, he's like, oh, on bull's eye, he is
walking around, he's eating his slop, he's breathing the same
air that you are. We just had a laugh because
like that's the same. That's why I'm a big punish
for fans, Like the same argument I have of like, yeah,
back goes, Oh well, I got him for life, and
he's like for life, Like what about Foggy Nelson's life.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Sure, bullseyes in a prison somewhere, but like he gets
to eat food, he gets to jack off, he gets
to watch TV. He still gets to do all these
things where it's like Foggy's fucking dead, even though there's.
Speaker 5: Another hint that he might not be dead in this episode,
but like he's dead.
Speaker 1: So that's why again I'm a big punisher guy, because
I'm I'm for the the DP.
Speaker 5: All the way.
Speaker 4: Careful you know what comes with that. You gotta get
your family killed and no, no, I mean in the.
Speaker 1: Way like if I was on the bb Eurock Report.
I wouldn't be like be like, yeah, he's doing good work.
Speaker 4: You got to punish your tattoo on your neck.
Speaker 5: No, No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Would be for the death penalty though, so maybe you'd
be seen as like a fisk boy if you were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I specifically say the punish your death penalty, you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, and even though vigilant in the streets,
so you prefer that exactly.
Speaker 1: Because he's he's look at that board, he's definitely doing
his homework. You know, he's gonna go off to the
really bad guys. Well that's one thing. He never killed
anyone innocent in the show, so I trust for he
knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3: You know, So kind of perspective. But yeah, I mean
to your point too, like the fact that like, okay,
him reconsidering, like is what I'm doing the right way?
It's like, Okay, all these years later, now we're like
five Maybe he was snapped, so maybe he was gone
for five years. But either way, it's like years and
years of him doing this shit already, he's still doing
it and there's still as seemingly just as many shitty
people out there, and so much like the same amount
of injustice. So I'm sure that it's like part of
the reconsideration too of like, yes, am I doing anything here?
Am I making any difference? Or is my presence especially
now with the cop thing and like people following in
that message and then like being even more radicalized, Like
is that making it worse? In fact? And so I
think once again, just the subtle acting from Bernhal to
be able to portray you that even though he didn't
really voice those thoughts. I think just once again shows
like one how well written the scene was, considering it's
only like I don't know, three or four minutes long
or something, whatever it is. And then yeah, the fact
that he can kind of pull that off without without
the dialogue is super strong. So really exciting see what
they do with that character in the rest of this season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we got fucking Doomsday next year, but
like no pun in ten with a bullet, I feel
like I'm more excited for the special than Doomsday right
now to see fifty two to an hour ten of
Frank Castle doing whatever, and even in an interview they're like, oh,
what's the future raft I go, oh, I don't want
to say anything.
Speaker 5: But you know, I'm happy, but they're out, We're going.
I hope people watch.
Speaker 3: That special secret he's like hinting towards Secret Wars or.
Speaker 1: Something that'd be great. Oh man, get him next to
Hugh Jackman. Fuck, you're gonna I'm gonna be doing chills
in the theater. But like like I said, Marvel, I
hope the special works and give me a nice thirty
to sixty million.
Speaker 5: Rated R movie.
Speaker 1: Make a low budget punishing movie put in theaters and
just have people flocked like John Wick style, but with
Frank Castle, Like, oh my god, So anything else.
Speaker 5: Punisher Frank Castle related, I think not.
Speaker 1: Absolutely anytime, cause I think I think he's literally gonna
put on the skull and bones just to I don't
think he because he even says, where do get me?
Speaker 5: I think he doesn't feel like he needs to wear that.
Speaker 1: But I think, like I said a couple ofps ago,
he's gonna feel like he has to take it back
so he doesn't need a spray painted jacket. But he's
gonna do that to show people like, Okay, this is
what the Punisher actually is. Who's like a fucking cop
murderer and bad guy murder, and then this is what
the police should be. There should be distinction. It should
not be the same melding pot of cops and you
know everything like that same thing. I'm for the death penalty,
but I'm not for the cops like going on like
design their judge injury right, and I feel like Frank.
Speaker 5: Should do that.
Speaker 1: So my my last point that I wanted to think
about this was so when he found the casing of
the bullet and then he's like walking, I'm where he's going.
And then obviously he puts it down and he's like, oh, look,
look looks like it's one of yours. So clearly Matt
like felt the logo and knows where Frank is, which
again it's funny because in the original series, even after
Punisher got out, he was like, oh, you got to
go back to prison. So Matt knows where he is,
and he's not telling anybody to arrest Frank Castle. He's
just letting Castle do his stuff. So that's kind of change.
Speaker 3: Confused, surprised by that, Yeah, I find him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he clearly knows where he was.
Speaker 1: But before he threw down and showed the logo, hence
my name, I thought he used his nose to find that,
Like I thought, he.
Speaker 2: Does that right, Like he brings it up to his mouth,
so I assume he was sniffing it.
Speaker 4: It also.
Speaker 1: That he smelled the casing like all the way to
the gun. I'm glad it was the logos. I'm like,
that's a little too far fetched, Like his nose could
get him Miles, Oh, find out like he should become
a cop, like who killed him? I don't know, smell
this knife, Matt like, oh, yeah, it was definitely Vanessa
like she did. Like he could find Adam. He could
just smell Vanessa's clothes bag. Oh yeah, I know where
he's keeping your lover.
Speaker 3: But I've gotta go laugh that when it was Yeah,
what I thought was happening was because earlier when he
was talking to the dirty cop in the hallway and
he got like a whiff of him at some point
and then he had dead that whiff later. I thought
that's what I thought was happening, that he's making the
connection there. Uh, but I don't know if it's believable,
like the cop would smell like that bullet days later
in like different outfit. I don't know. Well, maybe he
could smell it on his gun or something. I'm not
sure her.
Speaker 1: Fingers if he hasn't showered because a little like they
doubled down on they wasn't that cop.
Speaker 2: And he actually had no idea.
Speaker 4: That, yeah, they did.
Speaker 5: That's because the heart's heartbeat.
Speaker 1: He was not lying so and again we never got
that answered yet. If that was a Fisk warrented thing
or or just a cop warranted thing, we don't know
yet because this episode it wasn't like Fisk like even
to us the viewers, showing off that he did that right. Also,
he said saw some dark stuff with him, but we
didn't get that. And that's one thing I will say.
With the shooting of White Tiger and everything. My big
complaint last week about Matt, I felt like they touched
on it a little like I wanted. I did want
dire Man to press Matt. I didn't feel he did
bring it up of like man an innocent vigilant he
got killed, like he said this to Frank and you know,
no one cares. He did bring that up, but I
felt like it was still very minor and I'm not
gonna say he didn't care. I liked that scene with
the niece but it was not as big of a
deal as I wanted. So again, as much as I
love this episode, I still was hoping there was more
follow up because Matt did get him killed and you know,
maybe that guilt will come later, so I'm waiting to
see the rest of the serious But the follow up
wasn't the greatest. O. Then I really like the niece,
and uh, hopefully she gets that amulet because all she
becomes White Tiger later on she killed it.
Speaker 5: That little actress there. Fuck, what a good scene that was.
I thought she was great.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there was one thing that she said that
just seemed weird writing where it was like.
Speaker 6: I can't remember what she said specific, but it's like
you you don't have to be good at math to
figure that calculation.
Speaker 3: It was just a weird one plus one easylation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a weird phrase. But she, you know,
she delivered it well. Oh gosh, I forgot where it's going, something.
Speaker 5: About White Tiger, the niece, the cop, Matt.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 6: Actually just just just talking about like the follow up
from the death of the White Tiger from last week.
I did actually like and it's really really minor, but
I at least like the dialogue between him and I
forget her name, like his girlfriend, the therapist lady of
just like like this is like the first time where
she's been like worried about him just being out, which
of course, if you if you're close to Matt, you
you just kind of have to expect to just be
worried about him all the time. That we you know,
we got that with Foggy and Karen in that in
that show. But I mostly just liked how instead of
it being like really accusatory and like like where we're
like super aggressive, like he just he listed that like
you know, an innocent man was just murdered, like you
just like it just felt like he was really authentically
decompressing to his significant other there, and it just felt
really natural.
Speaker 2: And I just I don't know, I we haven't had
a lot of those two together, but I.
Speaker 6: Do like their chemistry and it's you know, it's a
character that I'm I wouldn't be too worried if if
we get more of her scenes because I like her
with Vanessa and Fisk. I think that she's you know,
it's minor, but I still like her in those scenes.
And then here again with with the Coxman Matt. I
like those two together, But yeah, no, I do agree,
though I would have expected it to be a lot
more of a significant reaction from Matt. And even when
he's at the corner's office, like it's he seems like
he's pretty heated, obviously, like he's pretty short with the
guy and then and then he's obviously like getting really
intense with uh with the young white Tigris.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's actual name, but no, she's
just white Tiger.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just like that moment.
Speaker 6: It's like we have to believe that, you know, the
bad guys are gonna get caught for this, and it's
it's like he's telling that to himself more so than
to her. And yeah, I don't know, It's just I
would have expected more because it just seemed like he
had a lot of skin in the game with this
whole Hector h situation, because he is a vigilant. He
knows what that's like, and he knows that he's innocent
all these things. And then this is what happened. So
this is where I kind of what expected him to
just be lacing up the suit. Obviously, we got a
little bit more in between It took like a really
powerful scene between him and Punisher for him to get there.
Speaker 2: But he's at least on the roof. Now, he's stretching out,
he's getting his muscles ready to kick some ask.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's what we got the double next week,
because I bet technically he does not put the costume
on in episode five, but I bet he doesn't six,
And I bet they're looking at this like, oh, everyone's
gonna expect Daredevil next week. They're gonna be pissed if
we don't give it to him. So let's put five
and six together. That's my traps told you prediction that
he will not be fully suited next week. It'll be
maybe on the brink or maybe if he's fully suited,
it's like literally the like this where it's like the
last five seconds and he's in the costume. But I
think that's why it's a double because they know, okay people,
because it is like like, now we're going episode five
and he's still not been suited since that first five minutes,
so they.
Speaker 5: I'm luckily I think people are pausing on the show.
Speaker 1: But I do think that was a maybe risky thing
to do, especially because when you watch trailers and promos
for the show, it's like him in the suit and
the costume all the time. So I feel like you
could lose a lot of people here now four week
I guess three weeks, but still four episodes in and
he's not really suited up. I could see people being Yeah,
like again, I don't want to watch like eve new
people being Oh listen, Darren Nevil is just like a
legal procedure, especially if you're not tied to the Netflix stuff,
like you might not care as much about Fist or
the Punisher stuff. So that's why I think the double's coming,
because I think they probably knew we got to get
him in this costume soon.
Speaker 3: So especially because like she Hulk and Echo already had
him in there with stuff, So it's like, hey, people
would just want want that right now som.
Speaker 1: Hmm, Yeah, yeah, that's giking to that break and then
we'll continue on.
Speaker 5: And we are back.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: You mentioned the legal proceedings, and this episode had more
of it than I would have expected. Uh, this is
kind of what I was alluding to early on of
just the whole situation with this. I don't know if
he's homeless I'm gonna assume that he Yeah, so the
guy that stole the boxes of whatever in the store.
I really was expecting like a quick like tie to
I don't know, like this is more of like the
police triggered corruption group, and it never ended up being that,
And you know, it ended up being like an interesting
at least dialogue between Matt and the guy and just
like double downing on like how fucked up the system
is and like how it's just so easy for him
to get keep falling back into this situation of like
going to jail parole, like like the system is just
not set up for him to actually, what's the word
I'm looking for what prison should be before?
Speaker 2: Where you're your reform rehability?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Ability, yeah exactly.
Speaker 6: Like it's very much just churning out percent yeah exactly.
It's like it's basically like a money making scheme, just
just just rotating them in. So I liked that dialogue
portion of it, but it just seemed like we had
like fifteen minutes of like Matt talking to this guy
and then and then talking to the I don't know
what her position is, but he's just like trying to
negotiate this guy to have like probation and she seemed
like like a too.
Speaker 3: I fucking loved that scene. That was so fun, Like
I also I love the ladies man. Uh, Matt Murdoch.
It's so fun and like he's just so wise and
that was funny. Like you're talking about how he wasn't
seeming like thrown off by everything that happened last week.
That's where I was like, Oh, yeah, he's still like
in his peak mood here, like he's still able to
turn the pants off this woman. I really love that sequence.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it was killer dialogue between those two, but
like it just it just seemed like a big chunk
of the episode where it's like what are we doing here,
Like like I feel like we have a lot of
other plot points to you touching upon. So that's where
I was a little bit worried. And again that is
in the early portion of the episode. So I was
just feeling pretty negative early on.
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking that a blood guy muse, I guess
I'm thinking that he will kidnap this guy maybe, Oh,
and so he'll come back, and that's where it's gonna
all connect together, and that's how like this guy could
get involved with Matt perhaps, but if not, if this
is like a one and done thing here, I don't know,
Like me, yeah, maybe they're just like, Okay, well we
need ten to fifteen minutes of Matt in the courtroom
doing doing Matt Murdock lawyer stuff, but like without it
being some bigger plot line that like has to maintain.
Let's just do this one thing and then it also
is a bit of a social commentary on top of that.
But I'm kind of with you. I feel like, if
if it is, if it doesn't build into anything, I
don't know if we really needed I don't know if
it was worth the amount of screen time that had.
I guess like it was, it was fine, but I
don't know. I guess I'll take it just for that
like flirting scene because that was so fun.
Speaker 5: But you know, yeah, that was good like a character.
Speaker 2: Also, I looked it up.
Speaker 1: It is, but it's like a very minor care like
it's something that actually worked for like Chichala not didn't
have much affiliation with that Mroock.
Speaker 5: If they were in Devil's Hell.
Speaker 1: Kitchen, like they've been saved by Luke Cage and stuff,
I read them like, kay, I've never seen this character
and it's like a newer character, but uh, it is there.
Speaker 5: So I agree with you guys.
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's just like gonna wait to
see the payoff because I think they already have so
much going where obviously with the fifth stuff, they're doing
political stuff, and then the cop like dirty cops, killer cops,
cops abusing law, et cetera. We've talked about that, right,
So this is like a third dentim like, hey, how
does the system treat people lower on the total pole
that get arrested, especially for some of these smaller crimes,
like back in the day lost as the seventy people
would have weed, write and.
Speaker 5: People that's why leagues we legal weed?
Speaker 1: Is we legal a lot of places because it's like,
should we be locking all these people up for how
many amount of time for just getting a little high
for like that's it not like impaired and they just
like saw them on the sidelock again and hid. It's
like probably not right, But I think that's where it
does have to pay off, because if not, then it
is kind of sometimes the worst form of art, where
it's this social commentary for the sake of social commentary.
It's just like, let's make it this episode, let's focus
on this. But it's like, to me, the fifth thing
works because like that's your main, one of your main
bad guys, right, same thing with the police stuff.
Speaker 5: That works because that's gonna be a thrilling for the show.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that because those two other ones they
have falled through, they will fall through this. But if not,
that does just kind of feel like a well, this
week's issue is and it's like, well, don't do that.
Don't that just feels like it's kind of like people
assume or like say, oh, you're just like casting for
diversity's sake or this that that's what that sublime plot
could feel like. If nothing pays off, it's just okay,
we get that, and I'm fine that storyline, But then
you should like do that in season two and make
that the theme that year. You know, if like him
dealing with the lower class and everything. But I think
the ons prediction of muse that could be a good one.
Before we got a bigger storyline and they just were
a homeless guy getting arrested, I was like, man, why
couldn't that be Turk? But I don't, you know, obviously
win to Moore couldn't have been Turk, but you know,
it could have been. I really hope we get Turk.
I feel like we're not because I feel like there's
still more disneyisms. But at first when I saw him,
like hood it, I was like, oh, could have been
ninety too. I'm like, Okay, no, that's not the Turk guy.
Speaker 5: But uh, I'm so lay.
Speaker 3: The other thing I wondered is like, Okay, is this
just a way for Matt to like meet a new
girl and this is like a new love interest thing.
But then it's like, oh no, he's pretty serious with
the therapist, Like she's sleeping at his how she has
the keys clearly if she's going there on her own.
Speaker 5: So I think that at the end of the season, right,
maybe that'd be.
Speaker 3: Kind of weird, Like Okay, in the middle of season one,
we're gonna set up this one connection. Then we're not
gonna see her again into like season two, like a
year later, when that like it would be a little
far fetch, Like maybe, as you're saying, if she has
an established character, maybe there is a plant like a
future plan there, but it would be to me, it'd
be weird to sprinkle this here. But if it is
just like a seemingly one off scene, why would you
do it? Like now, it seems like I remember forget
about that some of.
Speaker 1: These episodes are still the Old Guard when they're planning
to shoot all those eighteen episodes together. So that could
have been the plan where it's like, let's sprinkle this
character in and then we come back to her later. Obviously,
season two I think is completely changed. But that's like
the new team.
Speaker 3: Is Matt's girlfriend gonna get killed by Fisk and he's like,
next episode be like, okay, got to shack up with
that guy?
Speaker 4: Was like given giving her the abducting eyes right at
the book signing. I'm assuming that's mus So.
Speaker 1: Yes, so he already was asking for help and she
I don't know if he did help her, because what
happened was he asked for help and then they did
that scene where her assistants like, oh, your client's here,
and the client set up like was the young guy, right,
and then it was Fisk and Vanessa. So I don't
know did she take that client on or did she
brush him to the side because she's dealing with a
billionaire and yeah, so Taylor when you're talking about there
was that, but also the guy at the end of
episode one that was spray painting the fisk thing. That's
mus He's a big spray painter and artists and everything
like that. So in each episode there's been signs of
Mews around. So that's why I'm with Taylor where I
don't think it's at their own possibility for her to
get the kebab, and especially if, like they've already said,
DeMar An Wold's going to be back for more next year,
so if they want him to be single, that that
could work, even if it's something to do with this's
COVID ask, Like, I don't think she will, but I wouldn't.
I would not rule it out of the round possibility
because that muse set up so early on and he's
a fucking he's a serial kill psychopath muse, so mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Could be a bloodshow.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 6: Last thing I'll say on uh, just that flirtation scene
in the in the courtroom. I had to rewind because
he says like something about Latvia and then it's like,
especially with the name Azola, and I'm like, Zola attachment,
What the fuck is he Latvarian and then and it's like, no,
her name is Ozola, like last name so and.
Speaker 5: It was Latvia, like our Latvia, not like Latvaria. But
I even lat Veria.
Speaker 2: I also heard that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm there trying to convince Emily like it
could be this. And then when we got the subtuzzic,
now they just say Latvia.
Speaker 1: But I was like, well, you know, like maybe the
doom is coming. Yeah, I mean it's like doom is coming,
and like, what's what's so Covia? I like, it's a
a place, right MCU. So it's like maybe they were
gonna start sprinkling, like hey that Veria. It's a foreign
country and this is that.
Speaker 4: But you guys are like me with Xavier's school.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was just just laugh Via unfortunately. But
do you have any thoughts on the Caramel Coorn segment.
Speaker 4: I really started to feel emotional and bad for this guy,
because I mean, it's it's it's real life. It's it's
hard to just catch a break, and the guy just
he was thrown in jail for thirty days and he
missed his benefits signing and it fucked him over and
all that stuff like it's not it's not easy. And
I really felt for Matt too, because Matt was like
he was giving him shit, like just take the ten days,
like it's fine, like this is the best you're gonna get, yaha, YadA.
And then finally when this guy started to really break
down like explain to Matt, and Matt's tonal just shifted
completely to being just very sympathetic and understanding. And I
think that's one of the key points for him too,
where he's been trying, at least for Foggy's sake, to
really believe in the system and really make the system work.
And this is just another one of those triggering moments
for him, just where he's realized he the system doesn't
work and I've got to go back to daredeviling. And
so I think this has had a lot of uh
weight to it in his transition back to being that vigilante.
So I really like the scene a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Just God, just the way he's talking too, like he's
just digging in dumpsters, getting garbage food and all he
wanted was just to eat a dessert and have something
that tastes good. And it just they're spending more money
to incarcerate him than to just let him have the
box of cookies.
Speaker 5: And it's it's popcorn.
Speaker 4: It's popcorn. Okay, Yeah, it's just so shitty.
Speaker 5: Caramel popcorn disgusting.
Speaker 4: But I understand, Carol, popcorn is so fucking good.
Speaker 5: I've come around a bit more on it when I'm older,
But I remember.
Speaker 4: You got to get the Chicago mix.
Speaker 1: You gotta get Chicago mix is fine, but yeah, I'll
buy itself.
Speaker 5: Not so buano.
Speaker 3: You know, so, Taylor, what what if if it if
that scene sequences building towards something, what do you think
that would be?
Speaker 4: Like what's gonna happen to the criminal fellow?
Speaker 5: Do we never see him again?
Speaker 3: Like I guess. Do you think this was like a
one off scene just for the sake of like some
social commentary and they have Matt in the courtroom doing
some cool stuff or do you think it's like either
the girl like she's gonna come back or like this
guy is gonna come back in I think the girl
is going to definitely come back because I feel like
there was a little bit more pre existing history there
and a little bit more potential to explore that further.
The guy, I to me, his story just felt like
here it is, I needs you to go in and
do this freebie and then his case is wrapped up,
don't even have to take it to court. And that
just served as more fuel for Matt to kind of
resume his being daredevil with the girl.
Speaker 5: I mean yet, which like how can him being daredevil
help this guy?
Speaker 4: Though it's not to help the guy, but it just
makes him realize that you can't rely on the system
because what did the system do? While the system worked
for the White Tiger, it ultimately like he just got
killed at the end, So what did that do?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, I like that explanation because I just was watched
and it's like what how was Darnel will get you know,
like sooop down and be like hey, like I know
he took this popcorn, but like I got mused right here,
you should arrest him instead, and the cops be like, oh,
we'll take a boat with the just execute Matt on
the spot. Like I felt like, there's nothing this is
a case that Mack.
Speaker 4: White Tiger like first time back in the suit.
Speaker 1: Him, but like that was the first time where I
was like Matt as there, like dared old can't actually
help this situation really at all here, Like Matt Murdock's
more useful here, but yeah, a good point.
Speaker 5: Of yeah, just the shitty shit and needs a break.
Speaker 1: And you know, Mike Tiger's gone, Frank's gonna sit in
his little hot until whatever pops off on his radar.
Who knows where Spider Man is because apparently he's in
New York, but I don't know. He's banging Jean Gray.
Speaker 5: Now, So whatever.
Speaker 1: Anything anything on mus quickly because we talked about him
so before we go to uh, Fisk and King and
all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And I saw Elevin's canceled. This seems like a little
saw saw type guy, so bring it on. I'll take it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only thing I'm interested in is he does have
some sort of I will get the official powers that
he has.
Speaker 5: He does have some powers in the comic books, but
I don't know if they're gonna do that or if
he's just gonna be like street levels weird thug.
Speaker 3: I think he's a street level.
Speaker 1: That's what I think too, which sucks because like his
power is kind of like disrupt what Mac can do.
Speaker 5: Uh let's see.
Speaker 3: Although like sucking the blood really seemed to like he was,
he was like almost starting to go into a trance
like state. So I don't know. Maybe he gets powered
by blood.
Speaker 1: So guess the first three superhuman strikes superhuman expert combat, and.
Speaker 5: There's that expert combat imperceptibility.
Speaker 1: Muse body acts like a Muse body acts like a vortex,
which can pull in every bit of sensory information around him,
making even daredevils sense it's hard to target. I remember
because I have not read the most recent Daar Deevil run,
but I fell off a daredevil. It's this run that
they're basing off of, and that was a cool thing
with Muse that Okay, Mac usually has the one up,
but then when mus came in, it's like fuck like
and that had a sidekick it this at this time,
who mus fucking blinded? So Muse was like he fucked
Matt up real good. So I hope, especially because my
only hope is they have talked like white tigers amlet
like in court, Matt's like his power, Yeah, he didn't
have his powers, he didn't have his chain, right, So
my hope would be like they're trying to say, hey,
there's other heroes that Matt's interact with that have like
powers the Defenders. He's fought the Hands, so I would
love it if like he's fucking Mews up and then
Muse hits him with his power and it's like a
fuck what I do?
Speaker 5: So I hope they do that. But I'm with you,
and I think it's just it could.
Speaker 3: Even be like a tech thing. I don't know if
this is gonna be a techie type guy, but maybe
he has some device that I don't know somehow, yeah,
makes things instarceptible. But it's funny, like that's such a
such a specific power that it's like the only way
anyone would ever come up with that is like, Okay,
how could someone out there, I guess will come up
with imperceptibility as his power.
Speaker 1: Do you think Bill that could maybe in another New
York Hero? Do you think maybe Spider Man senses couldn't
go off against Muse. I don't think they found the
call book, so I accept that maybe too, right.
Speaker 3: I feel like the power levels are so different between
those two that Spiky just fine.
Speaker 4: Imagining his powers are similar to that of Calypso from
Craven the Hunter, where he's just like disorientates his target.
Speaker 5: So maybe you two got anything, sad muse.
Speaker 4: Looks scary.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 1: Except my prediction is I think he's gonna be the
real big bad and they're gonna say fist.
Speaker 5: But I think that's what's gonna happen, is like I
think you got the White Tiger arc, you got the
punish your call bark.
Speaker 1: And then you're gonna get up the news arc. And
then that's good because I love season two. Season two
has three arcs, so sounds good to me. And uh yeah,
So we go to Fisk. He had lots of tasks
to do, lots of visits with some children and some
Latvarian culture. He had some therapy going on, and then
he had a little lot of dinner to tend at
the end.
Speaker 5: So, Kirka, what do you think about fist? Overall? In
this episode, let's go on with the man busy guy.
His schedule is fucking booked, you know.
Speaker 2: Busy guy. Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean it's interesting because they throw him in many
different situations in this episode, specifically this episode alone, where
like you get the criminal aspect of him eating dinner
with Adam, you get the trying to be you know,
a good husband to Vanessa, like therapy sequence. Even like
their follow up later on when they're having dinner together,
him talking about his father, you get like a goofy
Fisk too, like.
Speaker 2: When what's his name? Daniel?
Speaker 5: Daniel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's so strange because what I would expect this
to be, like basically a Ben Urick execution scene when
he like tells his whole staff to lee just Daniel,
and that lady insists to stay because.
Speaker 5: She thought was gonna kill feel like, oh yeah, yeah,
that's the reason she stayed.
Speaker 6: And I feel like once upon a time he would
have just fucking killed them both, like right there, like
he's just such yeah, like such a bad guy. Whereas
here it was just like a goofy scene where Daniel's like,
I'm so sorry. He just like keeps going off and
fists just like doesn't really know what to say, and
just like his body language, it seemed like it was
just a goofy sequence. And I don't know how they
were they were trying to direct him in that sense,
but I don't know. I just I wasn't loving it,
and it was just kind of like, oh yeah, this
is really what I hate about this specific Fisk character.
And I think it's just the trying of balancing between
all of these different avenues instead of just having him
be like the straight evil guy. I guess that's a
little bit more like you have more depth with the character,
I guess if you show different sides. So that's an
argument for it, But I just think for what we
get with him, I'm just really not not loving it.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just.
Speaker 6: Gonna be a long haul until the inevitable breakup of
like him and Vanessa, and then like that'll just be
like what what happens to'll just turn him forever?
Speaker 2: But I don't know, like, and then they showing it'll
be a ben yur keane I think I.
Speaker 1: Think so she I they foreshadowed a little too hard
when she said like, oh, he'll do many things, but
he'll never hurt me. I was like, Oh, that's you
never say never in these shows. And I think that
was the sign of like, because they're emphasizing like Fisk
would never lay his hands on Vanessa, and now I
think he's gonna, Yeah, ben Yurick is gonna be watching
down from having coaching Vanessa through her parents.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think it's also just a matter of
like my favorite version of the Kingpin. I'm now realizing
going through the previous show, pretty much every appearance that
he's been in now and then this now it's it's
like just that, just the fucking criminal guy, And I
just want to see more of those scenes. And uh, yeah,
I'm really not liking just the Vanessa stuff between him.
I will say the thing, A scene like this was
my favorite one done so far between the two of them.
I just think there is like, not really tension, but
still there was moments of tension and I appreciate those sequences,
but yeah, overall, not the biggest fan of a Fisk.
Speaker 1: Do you think the fists that you're wanting just that
big old criminal. Do you think there's a really good
chance with season two you might finally get that with
the donofrio here, because I feel.
Speaker 5: Like that's where they're leading, especially like man, I love
when those kids are singing.
Speaker 1: You see his hands, Like I feel like there's three
situations in this episode. You see he is ready just
a fucking pop, the singing Daniel, and when she's giving
him the schedule and why like this city, well.
Speaker 5: Well let's just do this, Well you gotta do this first.
Well let's just do this. We we gotta do that first.
He was ready to just like bane Batman style. So
I think I said that before.
Speaker 1: I think when Vanessa's gone, that is the true sign
that there's nothing laughter other than like I'm gonna fuck
New York up every sideways, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that's happening.
Speaker 6: So I think it's like inevitability and it's just like, hey,
let's just let's just hurry up and get there. But
I don't think that's like a popular at all, and
I don't think it's a better story to tell that
my way. It's just that's that's kind of where I'm at,
and I'm just gonna be struggling along.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: It's nice that the whole episodes aren't just focusing on
those two, you know, where we're getting spread out, but.
Speaker 2: That's where I met.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting I'm I. I quite liked the therapy
sequences in this episode. I just feel like it's fun
to see it's almost like a game of Avalon with
these guys, or a game of Werewolf where you have
like them telling a lot, like especially when like a
lot of truths that she's saying things that are making
him clearly uncomfortable. But then there's other things that she
still lies about, and he obviously doesn't tell the whole truth,
and he's very reserved, but he still is like trying
to do enough so that he can get the pass,
you know, the therapy past, whatever it is or whatever,
or maybe it's just to make Vanessa happy, whatever. But
I think that sequence was really fun, especially it's like, so,
what happened to what happened to Adam? We had a dialogue?
I thought that was so funny. I was dying laughing
with that. So yeah, I quite enjoyed that. And then
I think especially like at the end when she said, like, oh,
he doesn't he doesn't harm people, though, like obviously there's
still the protection layer of it. I guess I have
questions with the Adam things. I don't know if we're
like it's too soon to jump to that, but I
guess with like the the Daniel stuff, I just don't
I don't know where we're going with this, Like are
we trying to show off that Fisk has changed and
he isn't just immediately going to kill any opposition like
he lets Daniel live, He lets Adam live. Technically, I
guess theres him in a cage instead of you know.
Speaker 5: I think I Meanisher at this point.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's like, I don't know we're seeing that.
But like even in the scene with Daniel, he's still
like threatens the hell out of him, And it's only
with like the most devoted person who's like groveling at
his feet that he's like, Okay, I guess I'll spare
this guy because he'll just be upun for me for
like the rest of the time. So it's I feel like,
are you trying to make it so he's like I
have more empathy to WARSM. That's not working at all.
So if not, then like why did we do this?
Like I already believed that Daniel was fully invested in
this guy and was not gonna turn against someone under
any circumstance. So I just I guess, I just don't
know what we're building towards. And like the actual mayor
stuff of him making moves in the city and like
you know, trying to skip through the red tape, I
just find it like kind of boring and by the numbers,
like there's not really anything interesting happening there. So those
sequences of the boring stuff. I like the therapy sequence
in here for Fisk, so getting some good stuff. But
it's definitely been a mixed bag. He's lost couple episodes.
Speaker 5: For me, I think the red tape is just another one.
Speaker 1: He's just gonna get fed up and that's what's gonna
get him back to Kingpin Kingpin instead of like waiting
for X, Y and Z, He's just gonna do it
and that's that and that's how we'll get there. I
think the Daniel think to me was a juxtaposition of
Vanessa because their therapy session, they had multiple therapy sessions,
but this was the first time. We should say, all
his hans and the way he touched me, like she's
just fucking Grill and Fisk while he's right there.
Speaker 5: But they had a therapy session, running up my legs.
Speaker 3: Like his beautiful skills, his beautiful art skill.
Speaker 5: There he said, finding clay in a garage. I'm like,
I functure he can find clay in a garage shell.
Speaker 1: But like to me, that was the first time I
talked about the affair, right, So you have him with
her and their whole conversation is about her not being
loyal to him. And his whole conversation with Daniels about
him being loyal to Fisk. So I think that's why
it's gonna be another thing where Fisk is just gonna
view Vanessa as she is no longer loyal to him
and she is needs to go, and that's where it's
gonna be, Like why is he gonna keep this little
dedeb over Vanessa? Because this little deweb will kill himself
to say fist where he even said that to Vanessa,
He's like, oh, it's impressed love, like you're not the
same woman I fell in love with, so like he
respects her for that. But I think when he goes
back to criminal Fisk, he's not gonna want that. He's
gonna want the person that is completely loyal to him
and not gonna question him, not gonna say oh, should
you do it this way? So I think that's what
they're trying to do. At the day, Annuels showing hey,
look when people are completely kissing his feet, he's gonna
spare them, even if he threatens him, He's gonna spare them.
Where Vanessa like, like e the way she talked about
Annie that was or Adam fuck, it was like to me,
was felt like very disrespectful in front of another person,
like talk about his hands and the way he touched,
Like you don't have to talk about an affair like that,
Like that felt like she was kind of rubbing it
in his face a little bit. She didn't seem like
she regretted. She doesn't regret it. I don't view she
regrets that at all. So and my other thing in
that session, I really love when I can't remember the
line that set them up at the therapist is like, oh,
like political and they both on yousa business like because
they don't want to talk about like what they do
and they just use it as business. Some very good
comedic moments there, But uh yeah, I think this episode
is just to show that Fisk is gonna only choose
those people that are and even the lady that is
the way she said that of like oh, fist, you
know you'll be gone, Fist will be on, I'm still here.
To me, that was another foreshadow and I'm like, oh,
you're gonna be gone, like Daniel's gonna get her jaw.
I think so by season two, it's gonna be Fisk
is gone or not. Vanessa's gone and now Daniel's like
the head running thing who's already like kind of like
a shady individual. So which all I all like stuff,
you know, and therapy stuff was good and yeah, Adam,
that was that was fantastic. He's got the painting up
there from that he bought from Vanessa and that has
bullseyes blood all over it. So he's still got this painting.
And to me, that revealed like maybe there was like
a day where he felt he could do good, but
he never really was ever gonna be good. Like from
first episode he had those bloody fists and he's had
Adam this whole time, which is like, what's he doing
to Adam?
Speaker 5: You know? So, uh, he never was gonna turn a leaf,
you know, just like that. I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think seemed out of character for me
to keep to keep this prisoner. Also, it's like a
massive risk. Do you guys think that Vanessa knows that
Adam is in there?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: No, yeah I don't. I don't think so either. But
it seems like I don't know where this prison is,
but like seems like a very huge risk for him
to keep this guy. It also doesn't seem like I
feel like he's just such a rage kind of guy
that he would just kill at him given the opportunity,
which he clearly has at this point. So to me, like,
the only reason it feels like it exists is I
guess two reasons. One it could be that Vanessa finds
this prison and then like freaks out and that leads
to some issues, or it's like a way to get
him down later, Like I don't know, Matt can find
that and prove that to the cops or something, and
then like I guess Fisk would get a rested because
he literally has like a prisoner in his house or
something like that. So to me, it didn't actually feel
like it fit the character. It just felt like it
was there to serve one of these plot points that's
gonna come up later. So I don't know, we'll see
what happens with it. Like I don't know if we're
gonna get a scene of like Joe from you just
going down to his prison to like talk to his
prisoner every day and we get that dynamic. I'm not
sure if that's what we're getting with at him, But
to me, it seems a little out of character. I know,
it sounds weird, to say that because he still like
harboring this prisoner in his house, which is like a
very evil thing to do. But it just yeah, I
just feel like he would have killed him. That's that's
the king pin.
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, I agree with the first assessment. I
think it's for Vanessa to play a part and find
and whatnot. I think it's just for that mcguffin and
that kind of will be maybe he kind of even.
Speaker 3: When she's in the therapy session, like I don't know
what happened to him, Like you don't think Fisk had
something to do with it, Like she has to at
least know that, right, So she she just assumed that
he killed him, and maybe that's like better than like
keeping him a prisoner. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess I think it's strange that she hasn't
like confronted about that because like, like you just said, like, yeah,
there's no way that she wouldn't have suspicions that Fisk
is the one, you know, directly or indirectly that caused
him to disappear. I mean, technically she told him not
to kill him and he didn't do that, So I
guess he's in a way, you know fulfilling that problem.
Speaker 3: I didn't don't hurt him.
Speaker 5: I can't remember.
Speaker 6: I think it's don't kill him, please, don't kill him.
I'll pull up the up to check.
Speaker 5: Then that's why he is a lie.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's make sure he has his hands still.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, maybe that's the reason.
Speaker 2: So maybe, yeah, I don't know. I liked how fucked
up it was.
Speaker 6: I'm like, damn, okay, this is this is the Kingpint
that I should be fearing and appreciate.
Speaker 3: That's like his television like entertainment program is like going
to eat dinner while he watched his prison might be in.
Speaker 6: The same episode you have that and then him getting
rebuilt this city by a bunch of school graders, you know, and.
Speaker 1: Then the La Lavarians later remember they were singing the
same song.
Speaker 5: When he looked over, Oh my god again Like he
has a whole career, go back to being black.
Speaker 1: But like vincerd on Offio, such a talent act, just
those little facials, like fantastic comedic like timing presence, like
he makes this very serious guy who could just pop
your head melon, like make you chuckle.
Speaker 5: Even when he's like like oh we got one more.
Oh no, no, that's good. And he's putting on the
jacket like really fast. He's trying to get out.
Speaker 1: Of there, Like, yeah, great stuff by vinsit there. So
there were your thoughts on Fisk, Adam, Vanessa, all that jazz.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it took me a second with Adam because I
thought it is a Daniel in there, and he's just
super fucking pissed off it on the note that.
Speaker 1: Is threw all this hair out and yeah, screwed up
again for I did not think it was but for
a split second, like zero point five seconds, like fuck,
what if that's Foggy. It wasn't, but I thought for
a second, I'm like, man, wouldn't that be a think
the same thing like to Maddick said he never he
never kills friends, but like a magine. But yeah, I
didn't kill Foggy because that was the other thing before
you go to their every the first when Foggy got killed,
he mentioned he was working on a case I had
to do with red Hook. Each episode there's been a
red Hook mentioned, and in this episode again when they
had that little table there they're talking, that is the
red Hook thing. As we talked about last week, there
is a storyline where Foggy fakes his death to become
an informant so that those people that have that red
Hook theory, it keeps popping up. I don't even after
the Punisher stuff, I kind of want Foggy stay dead
because I think you lose some of that meaning.
Speaker 5: But like there is some signs for the Foggy deniers.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: Let's see it. Come back, Foggy come back.
Speaker 5: You want you want him back? Oh right, he was
your favorite the show, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: Come back to me. Then when he comes back that
he can bring Karen back, and then we're all.
Speaker 3: She's chill three san fran Right.
Speaker 4: She's a lot, but she'll come back when Foggy is back.
Speaker 5: She's come back for season two. They're filming right now.
Speaker 1: There's pictures of her on set, so she's sounds like
she's gonna have a bigger role next year, thank god.
Speaker 3: So it's hard to have a small role, that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So with mister Fisk, he's uh yeah, those scenes
and everything when he's trying to be doing the mayor stuff,
it's it's great. I think he's he's fantastic at that. Yeah.
I think him wanting to do all the the stuff
with the with the docks and just make it into
a place of industry in New York and all that jazz,
and you know, I imagine that there's probably a lot
of the reality surrounding it. When she was like, oh,
you know, you need to submit this, Uh, you need
to pitch it to council, and then we'll do his
survey and then we'll get people's thoughts. But oh, before
you pitch it a council, you got to go get
like a public opinion something or whatever. It's like, fuck,
is this why I haven't bought in the house yet
here because it's all this fucking like, oh, public approval.
It's like Jesus, fuck my god, this is bullshit. Anyways,
I feel for Fisk in this, I really do. You know,
he's a man who doesn't like red tape. All he's
done so far is fill a hole. That's it.
Speaker 2: So not the whole which was that everyone was there
ready to go in that scene. But weird, that's right.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I just think that he's going to crack.
He's absolutely gonna crack because he's not cut for this
kind of life where you're just sitting patient and just
letting all this stuff kind of unblind, and he's like,
why do I care about the Latvians or whatever. It's like, well,
you know, they're like nineteen percent of your vote or whatever.
Speaker 5: He has no idea. He does a good like that's
a good chunk. You don't want to keep those people
happy if you just.
Speaker 2: Think about his meal he's gonna have with Adam later.
Speaker 1: And it was it's so funny at the times he's
with a little egg almond thing, little fish him this
big fucking like get me the extra large double sausage
vest Like I.
Speaker 5: Don't know why.
Speaker 6: Maybe he knows he has high cholesterol Vanessa's guarded diet,
or it's like.
Speaker 5: Does he know that's like Adam's favorite meal or something
you just eating in front of him. I don't know.
Speaker 4: So I definitely would love Fisk to make me, uh,
make me a meal. I think he would.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he cooks a lot to cook.
Speaker 2: Does he cook?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's always cooking. The original series, block that out
of my brain.
Speaker 4: I don't remember.
Speaker 5: Rewatch it.
Speaker 2: Here, we'll do another retro, the re re retro.
Speaker 4: I imagine every time Vanessa mentions hands, he just he's like,
all right, I'm gonna see Adam tonight. It just kicks
a shtu of you know, your fucking hands, cut those.
Speaker 5: Hand off and like have him put him on a
plaque or something.
Speaker 4: Something like that. Yeah, but yeah, I think Vanessa dying.
I think that that's a that's a possibility or some
some fluke or whatever. I don't know. Maybe maybe she'll
she'll fall in front of a subway train when Fisk
is like, I don't know, Fisk is doing something. I
think it'll be an accidental death where Fisk is one
hundred percent to blame though.
Speaker 3: So not accidental.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not accidental, like like her flying off the train.
Speaker 3: Him and I drop a chandelier on someone that.
Speaker 4: I think, I think like they'll be they could be.
Like for here's some context. So they're on they're on
the train platform in the subway and Vanessa is like
you fucking locked up, Andy, and he's like yeah. Then
he just turns a backhands er, not intending to kill her.
But then she's so frail she flies thirty feet off
right in front of the train.
Speaker 1: You talk about her like she's Betty White ninety nine,
like like she's a grown woman who like looks great,
Like I don't like I look.
Speaker 5: At his actress. Oh that's a frail actress, you know, Like,
I know he's big, but like he's I.
Speaker 4: Think, you know, Kingpinned backhands your year immediately frail.
Speaker 1: I think I hope when he backhands her she says like, yeah,
somehow's gonna Adam's hands though, and then like the.
Speaker 5: Fuck like said something about it. But I think that
would be Fisk's fault. I don't think we're in that
scenario that paint out that he backhands on the train.
Speaker 1: Plus, we also just lost a cop to a train.
I don't like trains. He was just gonna die from
a train. Yeah, Frank's gonna type up all the cops
and put him on the train tracks. Like all the
major deaths happened.
Speaker 3: Limited budget. Everyone's dying in the same set.
Speaker 4: We got to make use of it.
Speaker 5: Why did you guys spend a million dollars on a
train set? Well, we got lots of plans.
Speaker 1: We made it worth Yeah, that's the Lego train, which
is fitting because Daredel does kill a criminal in the
original movie with a train.
Speaker 5: He kicks them off and he's like, you see those
white lights, it's not Heaven. Does that that's a c
train and oh god, and he gets ran on.
Speaker 4: Was he supposed to be a murderer in that movie?
Speaker 5: That's the arc of that movie? Is he stops being
a murderer.
Speaker 1: Oh of course we did retro that movie you Me
and Dylan, But sounds like we have to retro it
again at some point.
Speaker 5: Did we really can? Yeah back in the Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Maybe there'll be a Patrons movie night because that'd be
a fun one. But anything else, Actually I look at
my nose just to make sure.
Speaker 5: But anything else we missed?
Speaker 4: No, I mean looks good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we juiced it.
Speaker 3: Oh god?
Speaker 5: What is Yeah? Okay, I talk about the Foggy thing, Daniel.
Speaker 1: I really like the score during the Punisher and Matt conversation,
and uh no that's all I had. So we'll be
back next week for a juicy double episode. I think
we're getting Matt wearing those horns. We'll get some action.
See what happens, See who dies from a train?
Speaker 5: Let us know.
Speaker 1: You join the discord. We have a dared Devil channel.
Less of your thoughts, theories, everything, you think Foggy's alive?
Do you think fis gonna backhand somebody? Do you think
you know not much baby in this episode when she
gonna pop up again, Who knows.
Speaker 5: But when we talk about it, I'll moan to be
boring Baby.
Speaker 3: See you later.