Speaker 1: A big match coming out tomorrow here in the market.
Speaker 1: Portland is in town to take on ourselves. Our next
Speaker 1: guest is the head coach of Rayal sa Lake. It's
Speaker 1: been a minute since we caught up with a great
Speaker 1: Pablo Mastuoini. Pablo, Happy Friday, brother, how we doing?
Speaker 2: Happy Friday? Spence doing well about you?
Speaker 3: All good here?
Speaker 1: All good here, beautiful day and vibes are good right
Speaker 1: now as you guys bounce back to get that win
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. What did you like most, Pablo about the
Speaker 1: way you guys were able to respond after losing the
Speaker 1: match to Houston last weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think it was a fantastic performance. More
Speaker 2: so from the mentality perspective, you know, I think with
Speaker 2: all this change and a couple, you know, factors that
Speaker 2: were beyond our control. There's there's, there's been this, and
Speaker 2: the way the schedule has been where we've only had
Speaker 2: a few games in the last couple of months. You know,
Speaker 2: I think we've lost our way a little bit from
Speaker 2: a mindset perspective, And I think everything starts and ends
Speaker 2: with the way you approach the game as an individual
Speaker 2: and how that permes into the collective. And I think
Speaker 2: the guys that that that played on Wednesday did a
Speaker 2: great job of pressing the right way, attacking the right way,
Speaker 2: but more importantly, playing as a team and doing it
Speaker 2: for one another. And I think that's what kind of
Speaker 2: evaded us against Houston and against San Jose, which was
Speaker 2: another game where I felt like we weren't playing for
Speaker 2: the group. So, you know, I think it's a it's
Speaker 2: it's important to understand that, and more so for the
Speaker 2: for the players that are coming in from other countries
Speaker 2: and joining the group this late in the season. It's
Speaker 2: it's it's got to be clear to them what we
Speaker 2: represent and what we stand for. Above the tactics, above
Speaker 2: the technique, above individual performance on game day is who
Speaker 2: are we as a group? And what I'm grateful for
Speaker 2: is that type of performance with that result hopefully cements
Speaker 2: that that mantra that we're we're doing this for the team.
Speaker 1: You know what, I was going to ask you a
Speaker 1: question about Houston, but it's Friday, it's seventy five degrees,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to, so I'm not. We're gonna
Speaker 1: move on from it, okay, but here's I want to
Speaker 1: ask you a couple of things about the Dallas match.
Speaker 1: And I've talked to you before about the process you
Speaker 1: have in place for penalty kicks and who steps up
Speaker 1: and why and all that stuff. And I suppose if
Speaker 1: chi Cho's out there, it's chie Jo and maybe some
Speaker 1: other options as well. And we know that Vera's got
Speaker 1: a can. And I'm not saying he should not have
Speaker 1: been the guy. I'll just speak for myself. I was
Speaker 1: a little bit surprised. So take us through the thought
Speaker 1: process or just the mindset, whatever unfolded. It allowed Vera
Speaker 1: to step up to the spot and obviously he converted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think you know, over the last year
Speaker 2: and a half, I've been able to to watch Vera
Speaker 2: in these moments. And the one thing I think is
Speaker 2: really important, Spence, and I think you have a nail
Speaker 2: on the head if chi Cho's out there. This is
Speaker 2: not this is not even a conversation. But it was
Speaker 2: one of the few times where we had a penalty
Speaker 2: kick and and Chicho wasn't on the field. And and
Speaker 2: so for me, the one thing I know that I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get from Vera when you go to a free
Speaker 2: kick or a penalty kick in this case, is that
Speaker 2: there is zero doubt in his mind. In other words,
Speaker 2: he's not trying to see where the goalie's gonna lean.
Speaker 2: He's not he's not overthinking it, where I think an
Speaker 2: attacking player might be trying to play a little bit
Speaker 2: of cat and mouse, a little bit like Chicho does.
Speaker 2: And I think when you as a coach, when you
Speaker 2: know what you're going to get, regardless of the end result,
Speaker 2: at least you know that he went in there into
Speaker 2: that situation full of confidence and belief. And and again,
Speaker 2: if there's one guy on our team that I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to stand in front of twelve yards out, it's
Speaker 2: it's Brian Vera and so again a fantastic finish. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, so and again it's it's not that it's
Speaker 2: not I mean, obviously, in today's game, it's obviously the
Speaker 2: nine that takes it, right, But you know, even growing
Speaker 2: up and playing myself, there's there was times when center
Speaker 2: backs took it because again, there's not this way to X.
Speaker 2: They just go up and knock the ball in the corner.
Speaker 2: So but hopefully Chijo will be on the field for
Speaker 2: the next one for sure.
Speaker 3: All Right.
Speaker 1: You often talk about life and soccer and sport defined
Speaker 1: by individual moments. What did you make of that moment
Speaker 1: when Anderson Julio and you know, it's funny, Pablo, I
Speaker 1: watched the replay and he didn't even look up.
Speaker 3: I mean he must have.
Speaker 1: He must have been seeing tendencies from the keeper prior
Speaker 1: to that opportunity, because he just got the ball and
Speaker 1: then had a nice little touch and turned around and
Speaker 1: right when he hit it.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 1: My first response was he underhit it, like I didn't
Speaker 1: think he got enough of it. But and maybe you
Speaker 1: can help me understand. Is that a thing that players
Speaker 1: do they notice maybe five or ten minutes prior to
Speaker 1: oh wait, he is creeping up if I get it,
Speaker 1: Because he didn't look up, he didn't turn around, He
Speaker 1: just one touched and he struck it.
Speaker 3: What did you make of that moment?
Speaker 2: No, I think again, I think that's individual brilliance. You know,
Speaker 2: over the last two years, we've had you know, Chicho
Speaker 2: do it this year, Pablo, we just do it last
Speaker 2: year and now and and I think it's a multitude
Speaker 2: of things. One, it's obviously individual brilliance to be aware
Speaker 2: that that is happening, which is a great thing because
Speaker 2: again in soccer, it's about understanding where everyone is at
Speaker 2: all times and then making the best decision available to you.
Speaker 2: So his ability to understand that the goalkeeper is playing
Speaker 2: off his line is awesome on Ada's part. And then
Speaker 2: the execution, which is very difficult from that distance to
Speaker 2: your point, how do you gauge a sixty yard ball?
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is that the training not one
Speaker 2: training goes by where these guys, especially the attacking players,
Speaker 2: aren't picking out a goal out in the distance and
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, one hop into that goal, you know,
Speaker 2: So like, I don't know if that's subconsciously training it,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely something that we don't go over. That's
Speaker 2: a low quality chance, so we don't even talk about that.
Speaker 2: But I think the reason why you're seeing this more
Speaker 2: and more all over the world is too one, teams
Speaker 2: want to press higher up the field, which means the
Speaker 2: most goalies are playing like a sweeper keeper, right, so
Speaker 2: they're protecting the space behind and that's kind of what
Speaker 2: happened in that particular play. And the other part is
Speaker 2: is a lot of teams are using goalkeepers and builds,
Speaker 2: so now they're you know, playing twenty five yards out
Speaker 2: from goals, So if you steal a ball, these moments
Speaker 2: are more readily available than they were back when I
Speaker 2: was playing in you know, nineties and eighties, and these
Speaker 2: kind of things were goalkeepers were just goalkeepers. So the
Speaker 2: more that they're becoming more field players and have more
Speaker 2: responsibilities with the ball and defending the line, that is
Speaker 2: extremely high. I think these moments will continue to present themselves.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're learning about some of these new players,
Speaker 1: and I do have a question in a moment about
Speaker 1: the macro situation of getting them accustomed to what you
Speaker 1: want them to do. But that run up the right
Speaker 1: side from Dominick, Mark Zuoke and the cross and Anderson Julio,
Speaker 1: that was arc man.
Speaker 3: That was brilliant start to finish.
Speaker 1: I mean the problem is the highlight lights later on,
Speaker 1: like the highlight shows just showed the cross, but the turn,
Speaker 1: the run, the I mean that was one of the
Speaker 1: first times that I mean, I haven't seen him play much,
Speaker 1: but that should indicate to RSL fans and there's some
Speaker 1: quality with this young kid. What do you so two
Speaker 1: part question, What did you make of that snapshot moment?
Speaker 1: And what can you share with us about how he's
Speaker 1: looked from a macro standpoint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would even rewinding a little further because
Speaker 2: it was actually a great team goal where Justin Glad
Speaker 2: plays it out to Philip Quinton, he gets pressured and
Speaker 2: he zips the ball out to Dom, and Dom just
Speaker 2: an individual play that is just awesome. And these kind
Speaker 2: of moments are exactly what we saw in the video
Speaker 2: when we were scouting him from Poland, is his ability
Speaker 2: to make good decisions on the end line and then
Speaker 2: have the quality to pick out the best option with
Speaker 2: the right way to pass. And that's exactly what he
Speaker 2: did on that goal. So I think, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if you saw his reaction to it, it was like,
Speaker 2: thank you for giving me the opportunity to do this.
Speaker 2: You know. He was so excited, obviously for the team,
Speaker 2: but himself because I think some of the there's a
Speaker 2: lot of doubt when you're going from league to league
Speaker 2: and you're a really young player and you don't have
Speaker 2: a lot of experience. So it couldn't have come at
Speaker 2: a better time for for Dom and his integration to
Speaker 2: the group, and and the other thing. It's really important
Speaker 2: for for our forwards, you know, and and and and Chicho.
Speaker 2: To understand is that he's now shown his quality to
Speaker 2: find the nine in the box. And so once you
Speaker 2: have that, now the idea is, can we get our
Speaker 2: nines playing more central, more more close around the goal,
Speaker 2: because now we have a player that can finds you
Speaker 2: in these areas. And then you know, I think for us,
Speaker 2: you know, after Andres left, it's really about who you know,
Speaker 2: how long is it going to take for these younger
Speaker 2: players to accomate newer players, And you know, we played
Speaker 2: lockey out there. He did a really good job, but
Speaker 2: he likes to come inside on his left foot. And
Speaker 2: now we saw in this game that Dom did a
Speaker 2: really good job. And I'll also say the work that
Speaker 2: he did defensively was awesome, really high level stuff that
Speaker 2: usually takes a lot of time, but he did a
Speaker 2: really good job of making it difficult for for that
Speaker 2: whole right side. So I feel like it's these kind
Speaker 2: of moments that you know, bring a lot of belief
Speaker 2: into the individual, and I think given his performance, brings
Speaker 2: a lot of belief to the group.
Speaker 1: All Right, help me understand what happened with the hayesus
Speaker 1: FTA free kick, because I still am confused now it
Speaker 1: was a hell of a strike actually by him. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like if I was playing FIFA, I
Speaker 1: would have thrown my controller and said you're cheating. I
Speaker 1: felt I felt like that was my reaction. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're cheating, I'm resetting the Xbox. What happened there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was it was strange, and again it's
Speaker 2: it's so interesting. These are all things that we talked
Speaker 2: about in the preseason that we hit on and if
Speaker 2: you don't get hurt by it somewhere along the somewhere
Speaker 2: along the regular season, then you don't really bring it
Speaker 2: up because it's almost like a known action. Right. So
Speaker 2: when when Cropsey commits the foul, the first thing you
Speaker 2: do when it's around the goal is the person that
Speaker 2: foul the player is, stands in front of the ball
Speaker 2: and he waits for the referee to say back up.
Speaker 2: So one, when you do that, you buy time for
Speaker 2: the rest of the group to set up behind it,
Speaker 2: whether you're going to go with a line to defend
Speaker 2: a wide free kick or you're going to set up
Speaker 2: a wall. And so then the other part of that
Speaker 2: is gab setting up the setting trying to set up
Speaker 2: a wall. A two man wall, but there's no one
Speaker 2: in front of the ball, and I think it's it's
Speaker 2: just a great learning opportunity for GAB is like, you
Speaker 2: can't set anyone up or prepare to set anyone up
Speaker 2: if there's no one there right you. You you've got
Speaker 2: to protect the goal because at any point unless the
Speaker 2: referee says on the whistle, and that usually happens when
Speaker 2: you have someone stand on the ball and they the
Speaker 2: referee has to mark off ten yards and so then
Speaker 2: the referee goes okay on the whistle and now we
Speaker 2: can start setting up and all these things. So what
Speaker 2: you said it was it was a video game moment
Speaker 2: that rarely happens and one that is that will never
Speaker 2: happen again with our group.
Speaker 1: So you reference something after the game, And I wanted
Speaker 1: to dig into this a little bit because we've talked
Speaker 1: a lot talk to Jay about this this week about
Speaker 1: the system that you've been wanting to implement, and you
Speaker 1: started to implement the system in the offseason and carried
Speaker 1: over with some excellent results, and you were playing a
Speaker 1: lot more in possession. And when you guys are in possession,
Speaker 1: it feels like you're really dangerous and sometimes when you're
Speaker 1: chasing it a little bit, it feels like you're very vulnerable.
Speaker 1: And the message that you sent, at least via pregame
Speaker 1: was we want to play in possession, we want to
Speaker 1: keep the ball, but when we lose the ball, it's
Speaker 1: eleven dogs after the ball.
Speaker 3: And you looked at the camera and you winked a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: Okay, and so you could see, like, you know, I
Speaker 1: like your facial expression. You know, you could you could
Speaker 1: see what you were saying is this is how I
Speaker 1: used to play, and I want my players to play
Speaker 1: this way. And it's kind of a consistent theme in
Speaker 1: our conversations is do you guys have the force and
Speaker 1: the bite to go win something special?
Speaker 3: Because you have to have force and bite to do that.
Speaker 1: So how do you how do you kind of translate
Speaker 1: that message to your players, and how do you feel
Speaker 1: like it's been received? You know, when you're not in possession,
Speaker 1: do everything you can to get the ball back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I again, I attribute a lot of
Speaker 2: this to the fact that there's been so much change
Speaker 2: within the group and it's gonna you know, and and
Speaker 2: all the different dynamics that come about with like the
Speaker 2: guys that are still here with new guys coming in,
Speaker 2: and it's just like it's such a turbulent time and
Speaker 2: then you're not getting the results, and so it's like,
Speaker 2: how do we peel peel all this back and talk
Speaker 2: about under the hood, what does it look like? Who
Speaker 2: are we like? What makes us go? Because again we
Speaker 2: we've talked a lot about in possession, but for me,
Speaker 2: mentality always stems from the way you defend. And why
Speaker 2: defending for me is so important is because it's this
Speaker 2: most selfless act you can do in professional sports. Right,
Speaker 2: The selfish acts are wanting to be the guy in
Speaker 2: front of the goal. Right, that's easy, Like, that's that's
Speaker 2: what you know. The hard thing is is a forward
Speaker 2: track in somebody back thirty or forty yards, a pivot
Speaker 2: chasing someone to the sideline, you know, a ten sprinting
Speaker 2: out of the line to put pressure on the ball.
Speaker 2: Like these things are all selfless because at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, the attackers just want to attack. But
Speaker 2: what we've learned about our group is what got us
Speaker 2: in a good run of for him was we were
Speaker 2: very dangerous with the ball, but we were really really
Speaker 2: difficult to play against when we didn't have the ball
Speaker 2: because we were just putting pressure on the first guy,
Speaker 2: pressure on the second guy, the guy that the back
Speaker 2: line was able to step up and put real pressure.
Speaker 2: And so what I've seen in the last probably you know,
Speaker 2: two or three games, particularly the San Jose home game
Speaker 2: and the Houston away game, was this like, we're going
Speaker 2: to wait for the guys back there to win the
Speaker 2: ball and then they can just give it to us.
Speaker 2: So we're playing with like six dogs, right, and so
Speaker 2: it just makes sense that when you have eleven dogs
Speaker 2: working for each other, and more in particular the front
Speaker 2: four working hard for the team, those guys in the
Speaker 2: back will sell their souls to the devil to do
Speaker 2: whatever it takes to give those guys the ball when
Speaker 2: they see them working that hard. However, the foot part
Speaker 2: of that, if they don't work hard from the defensive
Speaker 2: standpoint up front, the lack of predictability breeds so much
Speaker 2: doubt within the whole team that you end up not
Speaker 2: being good without the ball, and then when you get it,
Speaker 2: there's so much doubt you're not good with the ball,
Speaker 2: and it becomes this cycle. And so we when we
Speaker 2: get pressure on the ball at all times, we are
Speaker 2: present minded. This guy goes, this guy covers, this guy goes,
Speaker 2: this guy covers, and it's like you're just playing from
Speaker 2: a place to flow. When you're not getting pressure on
Speaker 2: the ball, everyone is guessing what the next guy is
Speaker 2: going to do because there's no real clear trigger to
Speaker 2: make play predictable for the guys behind. And so when
Speaker 2: you have a game like we had against Dallas, where
Speaker 2: it was really front foot defensive, you end up scoring
Speaker 2: three goals, right, and granted there were strange goals. There
Speaker 2: are anomalies in a lot of ways, but that's what
Speaker 2: I feel like the game gives you because you're almost
Speaker 2: it's like a self fulfilling prosoty. We're going to be
Speaker 2: on the front foot, we're going to be aggressive, and
Speaker 2: with that comes the ball in the attacking half. With
Speaker 2: that comes with loose balls being won closer to their goal.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's got to be who we are.
Speaker 2: So that's clear to the guys that are coming into
Speaker 2: the group. These are the expectations, these are the standards,
Speaker 2: regardless of the positions. We're eleven dogs. When we have it,
Speaker 2: play play to your quality and everyone's got different qualities.
Speaker 2: But when we don't have it, you're one of the
Speaker 2: dogs that we need to make sure we get that
Speaker 2: ball back.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say it was the most
Speaker 1: impressive individual moment because I thought, obviously Anderson's goal was
Speaker 1: nuts in that run up the up the flank by
Speaker 1: Mark Zuke and La Crosse was pretty pretty brilliant. But
Speaker 1: the goal that Diogo had that was called back, I
Speaker 1: rewound that and watched it like five times, like that
Speaker 1: was a skill check. Now it was off, that didn't count.
Speaker 1: But you know, all these new players, we're all we're
Speaker 1: all trying to get to know him a little bit.
Speaker 1: In that moment right there, I think for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, even though it was called back, was another
Speaker 1: indicator that you might have something special on your hands.
Speaker 1: How's the project coming along? Trying to ingratiate Diogo into
Speaker 1: what you want to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's he listened. He's a fantastic player, he's
Speaker 2: a fantastic teammate and and and I think with him
Speaker 2: within our with just coming to MLS in Europe, you
Speaker 2: have a more i don't want to say sophisticated, but
Speaker 2: there's a lot more respect with teams, Like there's very
Speaker 2: few teams in Europe that high press the way we do,
Speaker 2: and in our league everyone high presses right, So in
Speaker 2: Europe it's more like, oh, you have the ball, well
Speaker 2: we'll drop back by midfield and we'll find gaps. What
Speaker 2: he's brilliant at is finding the space between the lines
Speaker 2: to receive. And he's a technician, and I think that
Speaker 2: play that you're talking about is case in point. Diego
Speaker 2: has an eye for goal, Diego the technique to be
Speaker 2: able to execute it. I think the transition between the
Speaker 2: two leagues is how do I create that kind of
Speaker 2: space for myself where in Europe it would be very available,
Speaker 2: where a lot of times in the MLS's helter skelter
Speaker 2: in around goal, and so in Europe you might be
Speaker 2: able to turn in that pocket and in the MLS,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, there's a guy that's waiting to just
Speaker 2: smash you and and so you don't have as much
Speaker 2: space in and around goal that I feel like you
Speaker 2: can find at times in Europe. And so there's there's
Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind that Diego is going to
Speaker 2: be a top player for this team. I think the
Speaker 2: challenge for myself and the staff is always thinking about
Speaker 2: how can we put our group that understands clearly what
Speaker 2: we want in this moment now, whilst bringing these guys
Speaker 2: along and in a role that allows them to understand
Speaker 2: the mentality the tactics so that they can fully execute
Speaker 2: their technique versus you know, square peg, round hole. It's
Speaker 2: not it's not clicking quite yet, but that's fine. It's
Speaker 2: not his fault that we you know, we got here
Speaker 2: with seven games left. That's just life. And now it's
Speaker 2: our jobs to try to find that that that that
Speaker 2: connection between He's a really special player and you know,
Speaker 2: he plays really well with this cut these three guys,
Speaker 2: but struggles a little bit with this guy against this
Speaker 2: type of system, and so there's still you know, a
Speaker 2: learning curve to go. But there is no doubt in
Speaker 2: my mind that Diego is a special player and that
Speaker 2: will just need a little bit of time to transition to,
Speaker 2: you know, to being the guy.
Speaker 1: All right before we set you lose your win combined
Speaker 1: with like a ridiculous amount of results that went RSLs way,
Speaker 1: which is awesome. On Wednesday, bumps you up to second.
Speaker 1: No rest for the weary Portland is in town tomorrow.
Speaker 1: They're the highest scoring team in the West and second
Speaker 1: only to Miami with sixty goals scored, So according to numbers,
Speaker 1: they score a lot of goals and they give up
Speaker 1: a lot of goals.
Speaker 3: That's what's in front of me.
Speaker 1: So tell me about Portland, Pablo, what do you have
Speaker 1: to do to go get all three tomorrow night?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you said it. They're they're a team
Speaker 2: that that attacks really well, and at times they're you know,
Speaker 2: they're they're they're poor us in the back. And I
Speaker 2: think it's really easy against this team to get caught
Speaker 2: in this transition game, which is they lose the ball
Speaker 2: and their front foward don't necessarily transition to get back
Speaker 2: beyond the ball, and so it's now it's our attack.
Speaker 2: It might be like say six guys in that transition
Speaker 2: moment against six of their back guys. The problem is
Speaker 2: when you don't make good decisions in that moment and
Speaker 2: you give the ball up and now it's four versus
Speaker 2: four in the back in our in our defensive half.
Speaker 2: Those four players are some of the most dynamic. Uh.
Speaker 2: They're they're they're all capable of not only creating goal
Speaker 2: scoring opportunities for the teammates, but they're all very good
Speaker 2: one v one attackers. And so for us, it's it's
Speaker 2: going to take a little bit of you know, sophistication.
Speaker 2: Even if we can go to goal, if the numbers
Speaker 2: aren't great or if the space isn't wide open, we
Speaker 2: almost have to wait for our team to get forward
Speaker 2: and set up camp in their attacking half to force
Speaker 2: the attack the fourced third attacking players to get back
Speaker 2: and defend. It's it's almost counterintuitive as to how we
Speaker 2: want to how we normally play. But given that there's
Speaker 2: such a unique team and they're very dangerous, we don't
Speaker 2: want this to be an open game. We don't just
Speaker 2: want this to be a transition game. We want to
Speaker 2: be able to dictate the game with the ball and
Speaker 2: be very tight and put out fires when that we
Speaker 2: have to. If we have to give up a foul,
Speaker 2: you know, when we lose the ball, then that's better.
Speaker 2: So we can get numbers behind the ball and let
Speaker 2: them beat us with eleven versus beat us for v four.
Speaker 2: But I feel like, you know, if we have the
Speaker 2: right mindset, we can we can get a couple of goals,
Speaker 2: and if we're just defensively savvy, I feel good about
Speaker 2: our chances.
Speaker 1: I'm considering coming out but I need to guarantee that
Speaker 1: you're gonna win if I'm gonna drive out to Sandy.
Speaker 2: Let's go, Spence.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I'll put it out there. Man, running this game.
Speaker 3: I love it all right. Always good chat with you, man,
Speaker 3: Go get three chair for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, Bud, Thanks.
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