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<v Speaker 1>Whether you're a seasoned masquerader or just learning what spice

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<v Speaker 1>Mass is, you are going to finish this episode feeling inspired, empowered,

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<v Speaker 1>and possibly planning your next trip to Grenada. Carnival is

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<v Speaker 1>not just about feathers, beautiful costumes and soca. It's about legacy, leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>and the divine pulse of creativity that drives Caribbean culture forward.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, we are talking the things with Ebony tell

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<v Speaker 1>Us Ford, the brilliant CEO behind Lavish the Band, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most talked about bands in Grenada's Spice Mass.

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<v Speaker 1>Ebony is not just leading a mass band, She's reshaping

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<v Speaker 1>what Carnival looks like, feels like, and means for a

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<v Speaker 1>new generation. This year, Lavish the Band returns with a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful theme Muses the divine inspiration. In a world where

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<v Speaker 1>creativity fades, a divine awakening begins, Art no longer breathes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the color of creation begins to blur. But within

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<v Speaker 1>the heavens lie the Muses, protectors of creativity and champions

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<v Speaker 1>of the soul. If you're listening to the podcast on

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<v Speaker 1>don't forget to follow us on Instagram at Let's Talk

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<v Speaker 1>the Things. Now, grab your tea, coffee, or a glass

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<v Speaker 1>of wine and let's talk the things. Hello everyone, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to another episode of Let's Talk the Things. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your Home, Ash, and this week we are talking the

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<v Speaker 1>things with the founder and CEO of one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most talked about bands for Grenada, Spice Mass Lavish, the

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<v Speaker 1>band Ebony tell Us for It. Hi, Ebany, how are you, hi, Ash?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine. How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm well. Thank you so, I'm so happy you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>And for our first time listeners and for you being

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<v Speaker 1>the first time you're a guest on this show. We

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<v Speaker 1>begin each episode with our listener's favorite segment, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>called that Nason Safe. So basically, I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 1>messages or social media posts that listeners sent in and

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<v Speaker 1>if you think it sounds crazy or a little bit concerning,

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<v Speaker 1>you would say that no, sounds safe and explain why.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you agree, you just say you agree and

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<v Speaker 1>explain why. Just a little icebreaker to get it started.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good, Okay, sounds good. So the first person said,

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<v Speaker 1>some men send you to pilates in a Mercy Ladies

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday morning while others send you to therapy. Choose wisely.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh girl, that's struck.

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<v Speaker 1>Started out strong, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The first part sounds safe. I like the first part,

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<v Speaker 2>the last right, we like at the Mercedes. I love

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<v Speaker 2>a Mercedes. But the stress and therapy, I'm there right

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<v Speaker 2>now with that. So that's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's true, right, Like it's funny, but it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you, you have to make choices wisely when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to partnerships because who you choose as a partner,

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<v Speaker 1>even who you choose as friends, can really change the

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<v Speaker 1>trajectory of your life, right, because it's stress.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I was actually just speaking to a friend last

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<v Speaker 2>night about this, and I was like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>type of partner that you have really kind of also

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<v Speaker 2>touch like rub off on your mental health as a

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<v Speaker 2>person and who you are. Like you can have a

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<v Speaker 2>very supportive partner and it could be like the highest

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<v Speaker 2>point in your life where you're achieving everything that you

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<v Speaker 2>want to achieve, and then you get another partner and

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<v Speaker 2>then it's like you feel like your ten step backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, it's so true. It's so true. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll laugh and joked aside that not so unsafe. You

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<v Speaker 1>will take the pilates and the Mercedes, but not the Stress.

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<v Speaker 2>No stress.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. All right, So the next one, the

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<v Speaker 1>person said, imagine giving a priceless piece of art to

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<v Speaker 1>someone who doesn't know its value. They won't protect it,

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<v Speaker 1>they won't cherish it, and not because the art isn't valuable,

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<v Speaker 1>but because they don't recognize it's worth. That's you. You

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<v Speaker 1>were never too much. You were just in the wrong hands.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't undersize it, Like, did they

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<v Speaker 2>send you, like to like speak life into me about

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<v Speaker 2>this like today crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>That's really you're going to make me emotional? Oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>this is random.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa. I don't want to get to personal, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't like I literal believe. And again it

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<v Speaker 2>lends into the prior question that you asked earlier. Just

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<v Speaker 2>having a conversation with a friend before I came on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, and she was trying to speak life into

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<v Speaker 2>me about this very same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey you are, oh my god, but you can't say

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<v Speaker 1>that God sent me then Yeah, that's so crazy. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's safe to say that that's sound safe.

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<v Speaker 2>That song are your safe? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all right. The next person said, as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>the lips don't match the words on Netflix. I turn

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<v Speaker 1>it off expeditiously.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so safe.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, that's all sweep. I'm not gonna be I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not doing that because that puts me off.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it's like it's too much work because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the movie will look really good, but then you

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure out, like, wait, so is that person

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<v Speaker 1>talking or the other person is talking.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's too much work. It's too much work. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I really can't. Bother.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, yeah, because then I have to I focus,

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<v Speaker 2>like I look at you, so now I'm more focus

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<v Speaker 2>on your your mouth. Yeah, I'm not doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, one hundred percent agree. Okay, a couple more.

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<v Speaker 1>The next person said, not liking soca is a character flaw.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hell yeah that's what I said.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will tell you I just started noticing or

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<v Speaker 1>listening to jab jab and I love that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have to talk about that too, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of new to me as a Jamaican. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, right, I'm so late to the party, but

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<v Speaker 1>at least I'm at the party. I'm late, but I reach.

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<v Speaker 1>At least I'm at the party exactly, someone else said

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<v Speaker 1>West Indian parents will say, pass me the thing and

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<v Speaker 1>expect you to know exactly what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, triggering, triggering right like literally my dad

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<v Speaker 2>said that to me the other day and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and he said a thing, yes. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when you say that, it's like they get frustrated

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, but you're not even telling me what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about. All I suppose to know. You're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to read their minds absolutely, like from a tender age

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<v Speaker 1>until you're big, Like you're supposed to know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying. Yeah, okay, And the last one for this segment,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone wants a Lamborghini until they realize the effort it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to maintain one. A forward now that is easy

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<v Speaker 1>to manage. I mean, I guess what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>about that? I feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it depends on your mindset, because I

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<v Speaker 2>always say, I say, there's a different and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to use cars just like the same way that they

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<v Speaker 2>use cars. They use cars or our friends. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a dream car for every tax bracket that I'm in,

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<v Speaker 2>the same way I feel like everything is attainable based

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<v Speaker 2>on where you are in your life. So right now

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<v Speaker 2>I want my dream car is a Honda Accord. That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that I don't want a Lamborghini or I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want a Mercedes Bend GT sixty three. That's my

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<v Speaker 2>but when I get to that point, that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be my dream car. Right now, I have my dream

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<v Speaker 2>car for where I'm at in life, but when I

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<v Speaker 2>get to the next stage, I have a dream car

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<v Speaker 2>for that next stage.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that when I did not know I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be talking to the Grenadia on OPRAH today,

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<v Speaker 1>but I love that. No, seriously, I like the way

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<v Speaker 1>that you kind of flip that and explained it because

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the person is saying, you know, a Lamborghini to

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<v Speaker 1>use as an analogy, like, you know, you're worth much

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<v Speaker 1>more than Afford, but to your point, Afford might be

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<v Speaker 1>your dream car in that moment, you know, correct, correct?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So I hope you enjoyed that. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>a good time just to like break the ice, and

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<v Speaker 1>as you can tell, I love to laugh, so I

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<v Speaker 1>always try to start with a little bit of laughter.

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<v Speaker 1>So right, so now let's talk the real things. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited to have this conversation with you. You

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<v Speaker 1>are a Carnival queen both literally and figuratively, and a

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<v Speaker 1>CEO and a creative but before any of those titles,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine that you were just a little girl on

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<v Speaker 1>the sidelines of Juve or watching the road March and

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<v Speaker 1>taking it all in. So I was wondering if you

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<v Speaker 1>could tell us about your first memory of Carnival and

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<v Speaker 1>what it felt like back then versus what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to you know.

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<v Speaker 2>My first memory of Carnival. So I actually didn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>never stayed on the sidelines for Juve. Looked with my

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<v Speaker 2>first like, I played job job as a kid, like

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<v Speaker 2>I have pictures of myself playing job at five six

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<v Speaker 2>years old. My first memory is being on the stage

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<v Speaker 2>in Juve with my dad. Nobody at the time knew

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<v Speaker 2>my dad knew I was his daughter, because again he

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<v Speaker 2>was young, and I went on the stage as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I probably was like six or seven. I

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<v Speaker 2>had my job job stuff on and he had this

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<v Speaker 2>song that he sang with this with this female and

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<v Speaker 2>they were trying to find somebody who could sing the

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<v Speaker 2>song with the female voice to him, and nobody would

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<v Speaker 2>go up. So I went up and I grabbed the

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<v Speaker 2>mic and they were like, you want to say something,

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<v Speaker 2>And I put the mic in my face and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>Teabrey is my father and anybody everybody started like charing

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<v Speaker 2>because they didn't know. And he was like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>I sang. I sang the part to the female and

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<v Speaker 2>the song and stuff. But so that was my that's

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<v Speaker 2>my first memory of juve. I also remember growing up

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<v Speaker 2>like I grew up with my grandmother mostly and my

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<v Speaker 2>dad my dad's mom, and when you have an extended family,

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<v Speaker 2>like you have the uncles and the aunts and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was always around my my my granduncle, uncle Rastapro.

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<v Speaker 2>He always played like job, like authentic job. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's where my dad also got it from. So that

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<v Speaker 2>and Veko, that's another another cultural representation in Grenada. So

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<v Speaker 2>growing up I was always immersed into it. I was

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<v Speaker 2>immersed into it very early. So the experience that I had,

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<v Speaker 2>like from small as a kid, I was in jes

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<v Speaker 2>a baystander for things like Julie. I was always in it,

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<v Speaker 2>even as.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. So Carnival is like literally in your blood, gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>like for generations, because like you said, you know your

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<v Speaker 1>dad learned it. You learned it, and to have that

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<v Speaker 1>memory at such a young age, that's amazing. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. I love that. So for Lavish, the band

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<v Speaker 1>that you are the founder of, it seems like very

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<v Speaker 1>much your vision, right, Like it's very fabulous. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you dreamed up the idea for the band, what did

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<v Speaker 1>you want people to feel when they experienced it for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I felt like looking on it, so Juve I

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<v Speaker 2>was always a part of it. But I was never like,

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<v Speaker 2>want to play pretty Mass. I was always on looker

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<v Speaker 2>of pretty mass, So I was looking in at pretty

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<v Speaker 2>mass and not necessarily experiencing it versus the Jewve the

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<v Speaker 2>traditional part. I was always a part of that. Okay

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I looking on like I felt like Carnival

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't as authentic as I remembered when I decided to

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<v Speaker 2>form the band, I felt like it was also lacking.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can keep true to our traditions, but we

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<v Speaker 2>can also improve on them. And then at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed that some of the bands that were there,

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<v Speaker 2>they were also adapted to the culture of let's say Trinidad,

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<v Speaker 2>like Trinidad Carnival, and I felt like although I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to improve the product, I could still stay true to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I came up with the tagline of experience the

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<v Speaker 2>true essence of Spice Mass with lavish, where I'm giving

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<v Speaker 2>the person who's coming to experience spice Mass an experience

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<v Speaker 2>of Mass the way I know how to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>or the way I've done it. So are you playing

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<v Speaker 2>pretty Mass? But I also want you when you pay

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<v Speaker 2>for your costume, I'm going to give you a job

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<v Speaker 2>job experience included, free of cost. I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a Monday Night Mass, exp your uns free of cost.

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<v Speaker 2>You have your Monday afternoon, your Monday We're free of cost,

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<v Speaker 2>and Tuesday. Because what I know is that we run.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a marathon. When you play Kindival, you're running

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<v Speaker 2>a marathon. You do Julie, you go home, you change,

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<v Speaker 2>you come back on an old Monday afternoon. You go home,

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<v Speaker 2>you change, you cut back for Monday Night Mass, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you have Carnival Tuesday, which is the last part.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, that's what I envisioned, like giving them

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<v Speaker 2>an authentic Grenadian carnival experience the way that locals enjoy Mass,

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<v Speaker 2>while still improving the costume products.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, and given your background, it's very authentic, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're not somebody that's coming into or coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the island and saying, oh, I just want to be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of this, so I'm just going to make

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<v Speaker 1>up a band. And I think that's probably why a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of persons gravitate towards your band, because it feels authentic, right, great,

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<v Speaker 1>And the name itself, yeah, well we're just gonna assume that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the name itself, you know, lavish. It feels luxurious

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm the type of woman I love a luxury

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<v Speaker 1>so that is really on brand for me and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure for a lot of our listeners. And it feels intentional, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this year the theme is muses the Divine Inspiration,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's a beautiful theme. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's poetic, it's powerful, and honestly, it feels timely. So

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<v Speaker 1>where did the idea for this theme come from? And

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<v Speaker 1>why do you feel like no was the right moment

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<v Speaker 1>to center just creativity itself.

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<v Speaker 2>We felt like everybody was just like you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>a theme, say like in the script, everybody's just walking

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<v Speaker 2>around or there's lacking motivation. I mean, I've been there myself,

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<v Speaker 2>lacking inspiration, doing the same thing over and over, everything

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<v Speaker 2>begins to feel black and white. It begins to feel routine,

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<v Speaker 2>like the same all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, like, okay, it seems like create like

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<v Speaker 2>mankind has lost its spark, Like we're no longer creative.

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<v Speaker 2>We're depending on technology. I'm kind of being a hypocrite

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<v Speaker 2>because my my my presentation is kind of as Ai

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<v Speaker 2>generated the prelude. But still, but everybody depends. Everybody depending

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<v Speaker 2>on technology on our phones. We're not outside, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>entertaining each other with musical instruments like different things that

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<v Speaker 2>we used to do, dancing, et cetera. We're just technology based.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on the phone. Like instead of playing with toys,

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<v Speaker 2>kids are watching other kids on screen play with toys.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>They're so crazy making millions doing that. It's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we lost our sparks. So we felt like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have the muses who would inspire, So we have

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<v Speaker 2>the use of music, the meus of dance, the use

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<v Speaker 2>of laughter, the means of love. Like just these different

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<v Speaker 2>people bringing back that spark to us so that we're

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<v Speaker 2>no longer just existing.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love it because you know this

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<v Speaker 1>is a one life that we have, and so you

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<v Speaker 1>want to live to thrive. You don't just want to

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<v Speaker 1>be mundane and just survive. True what you said, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of what we do is rooted in technology. And

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<v Speaker 1>even the example you gave the fact that there are

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<v Speaker 1>children that are making millions of dollars just playing with

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<v Speaker 1>toys because other children just want to watch them on

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<v Speaker 1>TV rather than playing with their own toys says all

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<v Speaker 1>we need to know. Right, That's just so crazy, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's the reality. So I applaud you for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>taking that and kind of, like you said, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as your vision for the band in and of itself,

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<v Speaker 1>bringing back that authenticity and bringing back persons just desire

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<v Speaker 1>to be free and to live and to not just

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<v Speaker 1>live a mundane life, you know when they can't, because

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes life is mundane. Don't get me wrong, it can

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<v Speaker 1>be lavish all the time. But I think it's good

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, you're definitely making the effort to bring

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<v Speaker 1>that back. And I find the visual direction this year

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<v Speaker 1>to be absolutely stunning, So congratulations on that. How much

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<v Speaker 1>of the design process are you hands on with and

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<v Speaker 1>what were you and your team trying to evoke through

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<v Speaker 1>like the look and feel of each section.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say, so, I'm usually like very involved. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not involved, then I don't. I start don't. I

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<v Speaker 2>usually don't feel connected to the costume, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>start disliking it, and then I start complaining and criticizing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I usually try to be involved from inception, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's well, I shop for all materials myself, I go

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<v Speaker 2>hands on, touch, feel, this is what we're trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what we want to do. So I usually

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<v Speaker 2>do that with my main designer, Alejandro for his sections.

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<v Speaker 2>The other sections, the designers have complete control of that,

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<v Speaker 2>but because Alijandro does majority of my costume, we collaborate

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<v Speaker 2>a lot in the design process. Okay, So from the sketches,

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<v Speaker 2>he would do the sketches and share with me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, you know, what can you change this

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<v Speaker 2>bra Like being a woman, I may not feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>wearing this, or make this a little bit more feminine,

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<v Speaker 2>make this a little bit more sexy, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's important for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And then going into the design phase where he's

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<v Speaker 2>actually building out, he would send to me for me

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<v Speaker 2>to see to give feedback, ET cetera. So I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>hands on in that aspect. I'm hands on with everything

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<v Speaker 2>in the back too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I love that though, because one, it's your brand,

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<v Speaker 1>so if something goes wrong, persons are going to hold

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<v Speaker 1>you responsible, and if something goes great, persons are going

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<v Speaker 1>to hold you responsible. So I definitely understand the need

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<v Speaker 1>and want to be involved. But I think you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>something very key, even though just Carnival in and of

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<v Speaker 1>itself throughout the Caribbean is still more male dominated. That

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<v Speaker 1>just the importance of why women need and should be involved,

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<v Speaker 1>because things like the way that you know, the wire

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<v Speaker 1>bra sits or oh it you know, looks on a

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<v Speaker 1>woman's body, A man is not going to know that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So that's something that you

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<v Speaker 1>probably unintentionally pointed out, but I think that's really a

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<v Speaker 1>great thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And not even like that, it also has to be

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<v Speaker 2>practical because although something can look pretty, am I going

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<v Speaker 2>to feel comfortable wearing this? Am I going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to be pulling up my boots throughout the day? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't beautiful exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>That sound safe? Yes, because then you can't really enjoy yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so right, like you want to be jumping up

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<v Speaker 1>and down, and you want to leave your behavior and customs,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't do that if you're pulling and pushing.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I one hundred percent degree. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's just incredibly powerful seeing a woman

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<v Speaker 1>like you lead this space, because, like I said, carnival

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<v Speaker 1>bands are often run by men, but you are at

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<v Speaker 1>the helm of one of the most in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>visually compelling experiences in the region. So what does it

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<v Speaker 1>mean to you to be a woman CEO in this space,

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<v Speaker 1>in the carnival space.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I feel like I am setting an example. But

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<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong, I do, and I'm still getting

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pushback, Like it feels most times like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't belong in the space, or at least they

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<v Speaker 2>attempt to make me feel like I don't belong in

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<v Speaker 2>the space, right, like just little things such as, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't live in Grenada, but I was born and

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<v Speaker 2>raised in Grenada. As a matter of fact, I only

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<v Speaker 2>moved to the US when I was twenty three. I

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<v Speaker 2>am now thirty one, so I spent most of my

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<v Speaker 2>life in Grenada. Yet they refer to Blavish as a

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<v Speaker 2>foreign band and I'm like, why, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not. And it's when I say foreign band,

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<v Speaker 2>they meet it as a derogatory term.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in Grenada every single month of the year. I

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<v Speaker 2>fly back home every single month, sometimes twice a month.

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<v Speaker 2>I've lived there most of my life. My entire family

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<v Speaker 2>is there. I'm the only one here. Why are you

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<v Speaker 2>considering my business a fine business?

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<v Speaker 1>That's insane. Wow, Wow, I'm actually speechless. That's crazy because again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like you've never lived there. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't born there. It's not like you even left

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<v Speaker 1>when you were four, like you left in your twenties. Yeap,

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<v Speaker 1>So faring about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So just a lot of microaggression. You know, if I

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<v Speaker 2>speak up for myself amongst the bands, if I speak

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<v Speaker 2>up about.

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<v Speaker 1>It, it's a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>An attitude. If somebody else speaks up about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also the youngest, so I'm not only female, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also the youngest band owner, I speak of a

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<v Speaker 2>problem exactly. So it's either that I guess I go

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't, or if I talk about it, it's an attitude,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of ridiculous because a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that they implement don't accept the other bands as

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<v Speaker 2>much as they affect my band because of the size

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<v Speaker 2>and because of some of the amenities that I have.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, what it means a lot. And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I push a lot of boundaries and I

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<v Speaker 2>try to break down a lot of barriers. So set

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<v Speaker 2>an example, it's a lot of pushback and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of hurdles that I also have to jump to overcome

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm experiencing.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, well, you know, I want to offer you a

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<v Speaker 1>different perspective. I think a lot of times when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a space like that where you're doing something so

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<v Speaker 1>different and you're pushing back to have persons have a

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<v Speaker 1>different experience, that's possibly a better experience. People sometimes recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that and they realize that you have a gift for

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<v Speaker 1>that's literally, as you explained, innate right. It's not something

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<v Speaker 1>you learned, you didn't go to class for it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>literally in your blood. And a lots of times when

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<v Speaker 1>people see that in persons and know they can't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything about that, they'll try to bring you down or

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<v Speaker 1>make you feel uncomfortable, or use those microaggressions so that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you'll say, you know, what, I'm not going to

420
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<v Speaker 1>speak up next time. I can't be bothered or you

421
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:23.839
<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm just not going to do this anymore

422
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.359
<v Speaker 1>because they think I'm foreign, and you know, it's too

423
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:28.799
<v Speaker 1>many problems and they're giving me too many hurdles. So

424
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I would say, just keep going, you know, because at

425
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:35.839
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, it sounds like they know

426
00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.759
<v Speaker 1>where you're headed, and they know your talent, and they

427
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.039
<v Speaker 1>know how people gravitate towards you, and that's probably a

428
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of the reason why there's an attempt to make

429
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>it difficult for you. You know, That's what I see

430
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>as an outsider.

431
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, Like for me, and I'll be completely honest about

432
00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:56.759
<v Speaker 2>this last year, with some of the road blocks that

433
00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:01.039
<v Speaker 2>I experienced from the main kind of body and Grenada,

434
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I did say that I was not coming back, like

435
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:05.359
<v Speaker 2>that was my last Like I was not going to

436
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:09.519
<v Speaker 2>do it again because when I do Carnival, like I

437
00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:13.920
<v Speaker 2>don't do Carnival for the money, because I don't really

438
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:15.680
<v Speaker 2>make any money from it. I mean, I have my

439
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>career hair. I do it because I love it. I

440
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.759
<v Speaker 2>do it because I love seeing my mascarader is happy

441
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.519
<v Speaker 2>on the road, enjoying themselves. So when you kind of

442
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.119
<v Speaker 2>do things and it takes away from the joy of

443
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.279
<v Speaker 2>them experiencing themselves, then I don't I now, I'm not

444
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>getting what I do this for. I'm not getting gratification

445
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:40.880
<v Speaker 2>from it. So it's like what else am I What

446
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.400
<v Speaker 2>am I doing this? Because I'm not getting this. I

447
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 2>do it for this, I'm not getting it and it's

448
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:50.799
<v Speaker 2>just most trust. So but like my family and my

449
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.079
<v Speaker 2>friends and my team are like, you know what, like

450
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.839
<v Speaker 2>we understand, we saw the issues that we had and

451
00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.200
<v Speaker 2>don't let that get to you. That just feel well

452
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.519
<v Speaker 2>for you to push even harder, even more, and we're

453
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:05.799
<v Speaker 2>gonna be here fighting with.

454
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.480
<v Speaker 1>You one hundred percent. I agree. I'm so glad that

455
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 1>they poured that back into you, because, like I said,

456
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:13.519
<v Speaker 1>that's actually what I think they want you to do.

457
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:15.880
<v Speaker 1>They want you to give up, and we can't have that,

458
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.519
<v Speaker 1>We cannot allow that. I'm putting myself in the mix

459
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 1>because I just you know, like I said, I admire

460
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>your strength and your tenacity because a lot of people

461
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.759
<v Speaker 1>would just give up, like you said, because you're doing

462
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it genuinely for the joy. If you're not getting that back,

463
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>it's not something that you need to do. You know,

464
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not like a monetary gain where some people are like, oh,

465
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm unhappy, but I need this money, so let me

466
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.759
<v Speaker 1>just keep doing it anyway. Exactly. You know you're doing

467
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.799
<v Speaker 1>it because of the joy you experience and because of

468
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.039
<v Speaker 1>how much a part of you is a part of

469
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, spice mass, Like that's that's how you grew up.

470
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.799
<v Speaker 1>And it's just it's so much more than just creating

471
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.920
<v Speaker 1>this lavish experience for everybody. You want them to experience,

472
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>like you said, what you experienced growing.

473
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Up, right, the true essence of spice mass.

474
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, absolutely, absolutely so for someone like myself who's never

475
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:15.279
<v Speaker 1>experienced spice mass, why should they go? Why Grenado? Why?

476
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Now?

477
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:20.039
<v Speaker 1>What makes carnival in Grenada so special, especially compared to

478
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.519
<v Speaker 1>other major carnival experiences?

479
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Would you say, I feel like anybody, anybody who asks,

480
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.759
<v Speaker 2>would tell you juve juve and Monday Night Mass makes

481
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 2>us stand out from the rest. I feel like I'm

482
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.359
<v Speaker 2>not coming down on any other carnival, So please don't like,

483
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 2>I hope that your listeners don't try to bite my

484
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:41.839
<v Speaker 2>head off.

485
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Of this safe space. It's a safe space.

486
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Looking on, I feel like a lot of them have

487
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>become so commercialized. Some stay true to self, So for example,

488
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Vince mass that Dominica, a lot of them stay true

489
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:03.079
<v Speaker 2>to self. But a lot of the others they've adopted

490
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the Trinidad model. Right However, like if you go to Juvie,

491
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 2>I promise you you play job, you feel connectedy ancestors,

492
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.519
<v Speaker 2>like you would understand that type of feeling that we

493
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 2>get when we play Julie. And it's not even about music.

494
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It just feels like you're free. It's community. You're chipping

495
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.599
<v Speaker 2>to the drums. It could be music as well, but

496
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.279
<v Speaker 2>you feel connected. And I feel like that's what makes

497
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>us stand out from the rest.

498
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I love that because that's what I was gonna ask.

499
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>What's the difference between Juve and jab But.

500
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>It's the same thing, Like you play a job job

501
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:48.519
<v Speaker 2>in Juvie, it's just that Juve it's four day morning,

502
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.160
<v Speaker 2>we go out at three o'clock. You see, like Miami says, oh,

503
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 2>we have Juve, but you have to pay for a

504
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Juve package such and such amount of dollars. Trinidad, no

505
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:03.519
<v Speaker 2>juven and Grenada is free. If you're listening, don't let anybody.

506
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Don't let anybody convince you to buy a juve package

507
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:09.319
<v Speaker 2>unless you're probably buying drinks, but you can also buy

508
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.359
<v Speaker 2>drinks on the side of the streets Juve and Grenada.

509
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.359
<v Speaker 2>You put on your clothes piece of old clothes that

510
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you know you no longer want, and you go in

511
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the street. The guys are gonna dirty you. The other

512
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>job jobs are gonna dirty you, whether it's with paint

513
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 2>or oil. I prefer to be black. They're gonna dirty you.

514
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:29.880
<v Speaker 2>And the only thing you have to pay for is

515
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>your drinks. If you are with a band, for example,

516
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>my band, I offer drinks, So you have your wristband,

517
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.000
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna give you drinks. But other than that, you

518
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 2>don't have to pay for jube.

519
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's sound safe to me.

520
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's very safe. So it's like for Granada on

521
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.799
<v Speaker 2>a whole. You come to carnival, you don't have to

522
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 2>worry about somebody shooting somebody or doing something violence. Everybody

523
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 2>is here to enjoy them and that is the main priority.

524
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:04.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's just very safe.

525
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I love that. I love that, And for someone like

526
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>myself that's not as familiar, what is and very briefly,

527
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.279
<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure there's just so much to it. But

528
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>what's the history behind job job Because I've seen the

529
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 1>black paint and the horns and things like that, but

530
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know the history or meaning behind it.

531
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:27.720
<v Speaker 2>So basically, job job originated from the slaves mocking their

532
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>slave masters. So before they used to cover themselves in

533
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 2>the molasses, they used to refer to them as the devil,

534
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.599
<v Speaker 2>like the slave masters as devils. So they would use

535
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 2>the horns from the old the dead cattles or goats

536
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>and stuff throughout the year they would see them, and

537
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.920
<v Speaker 2>then they would create these helmets, put the hats on them.

538
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.599
<v Speaker 2>They would use the molasses to cover themselves so that

539
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>they look dark, and then they would also have the chains.

540
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean during slavery, they had a lot.

541
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Of change, right, right, So we.

542
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Use that as a representation so that this basically still

543
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.319
<v Speaker 2>from that. It's basically like a mockery of that, a

544
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>mockery of them because they're like, oh that they're devils, right,

545
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.400
<v Speaker 2>And so that came down from generations to generations, and

546
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Grenada stayed true to self with that, so we still

547
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>have them up to today. I mean some we kind

548
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>of tweaked it, so not using the old car engine

549
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 2>oil anymore. I've adopted to using activated grounded charcoal and

550
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I mix it with coconut oil. So not only it

551
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 2>doesn't look the same, but you're also getting like a

552
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>skin treatment while you're playing. But I do that, but

553
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 2>it's the same look. Wants the same look. You have

554
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 2>your helmets, you're black, you're drinking, you know, different things,

555
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you're celebrating in the streets and lunching.

556
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:53.599
<v Speaker 1>That, and you're also getting a rejuvenating skincare experience. Basically,

557
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.039
<v Speaker 1>geez everything else this is Lavish. I love it. I

558
00:32:56.039 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 1>love it. I love that. So we've talked about the

559
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>feathers and the fun and the history, but let's talk

560
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>about the foundation, right, So what would you say the

561
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>journey of being an owner and being the CEO of

562
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Lavish has really taught you about yourself, not just as

563
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>a creative but as a woman and a leader.

564
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Patient for sure. Being patient also you have to you

565
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.519
<v Speaker 2>have to have like a very broad back. You're supposed

566
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 2>to be able to take. You're supposed to be able

567
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 2>to take a beating. And I'm being a hypocrite for

568
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>saying this because I can't. I try and I can't.

569
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I have my days when I break down when I

570
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 2>listen to I listened to criticism and sometimes it doesn't

571
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>go as I wanted to. I've also learned that I can't.

572
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.759
<v Speaker 1>Please everyone right yeah, and I am.

573
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:03.039
<v Speaker 2>A people pleaser, So I'm learning how to to detach

574
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:10.920
<v Speaker 2>a bit from that. And also for me like knowing

575
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:14.559
<v Speaker 2>when I can't do everything myself as much as I

576
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.039
<v Speaker 2>want to sometimes and I want to. I want to

577
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.480
<v Speaker 2>have my hand in everything. I'm learning to delegate.

578
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Which is not easy all the time.

579
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Which is not easy all the time, especially if you've

580
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.000
<v Speaker 2>had experiences where you've delegated to people and they did

581
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 2>not deliver as they should have. Now you're like, snatch

582
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:34.880
<v Speaker 2>it back. I didn't do what I want to do.

583
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm gonna hold on to this true. So I

584
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>had to learn that. But patience is the biggest thing

585
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.760
<v Speaker 2>for me, like just being patient and also having a

586
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.360
<v Speaker 2>plan A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, the

587
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:57.480
<v Speaker 2>whole alphabet, the whole alphabet, and learning to like critical thinking.

588
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Another thing critical thinking. I'm a I'm a registered nurse,

589
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.519
<v Speaker 2>so nice I also have to I learned that from

590
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:08.079
<v Speaker 2>work and I had to put it into my business. Also,

591
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>you have to be able to think critically and on

592
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 2>your feet to come up with solutions for problems.

593
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I love that. I love that. I love how you incorporate,

594
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, what you learn in your everyday life to

595
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>your passion essentially, because yeah, that's definitely important. So I

596
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>have to ask, do you ever just take a step

597
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 1>back and realized realize just how significant your impact is,

598
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Like the fact that young girls in Grenada and even

599
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.400
<v Speaker 1>in other Caribbean islands are seeing you as a model

600
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>of what's really possible.

601
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I do, but I feel like I'm also very

602
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:54.559
<v Speaker 2>critical of myself where I don't see what others see

603
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.039
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, so I'm just for me. It's like, so

604
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.760
<v Speaker 2>someone would look at the band and say, oh my god,

605
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 2>everything was executed, for example, the launch yesterday. Everything was

606
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>executed the way it should have, but they're not seeing

607
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.800
<v Speaker 2>on the back end, like the little oh this didn't

608
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>actually happen. This wasn't perfect, And I feel like I

609
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.280
<v Speaker 2>am critical of that. So I don't see what people see.

610
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 2>They see me as oh, you accomplish this or you

611
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.559
<v Speaker 2>accomplish that, and I see it as I actually didn't

612
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 2>accomplish what I wanted to because it wasn't flawless as

613
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I planned it to be. So I don't know, I

614
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>don't see I don't see it as I've done it.

615
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I see it as I'm doing it or I'm trying

616
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.519
<v Speaker 2>to do it that haven't accomplished it as yet.

617
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, that's not shocking to me. I

618
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 1>want to be like, no, don't think like that, But

619
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not shocking because I just think as Caribbean women,

620
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>like that's how we're raised, like there's always something more

621
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>to do, right, Like there's always more to accomplish, and

622
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, even growing up, like if you got a

623
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.239
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight percent, it's like, why didn't you get a hundred?

624
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And you're sitting there like, you know how hard I

625
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:07.639
<v Speaker 1>worked for this ninety eight percent?

626
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Like it's still okay, you know what, that makes sense.

627
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 1>It's true, It's true. It's innate in us. So it's

628
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.960
<v Speaker 1>like nothing is ever good enough. And that's why when

629
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.880
<v Speaker 1>we go out in the real world, especially when we

630
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>come to the US, nothing can really get to us.

631
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Because when you grow up our own parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles,

632
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that nothing you ever do essentially is good enough. Like

633
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.159
<v Speaker 1>you you're always aiming for the stars, so you don't

634
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>technically really have the time to sit down and say, wow,

635
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I've accomplished this, you know, because I think of like

636
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>my parents that came to the US, or my aunts

637
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Speaker 1>or uncles. They moved from an island to a totally

638
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.159
<v Speaker 1>different country, and at no time did they have time

639
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.280
<v Speaker 1>to sit down and be like, whoa, you know, we

640
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.679
<v Speaker 1>did it, let's just sit back and relax. It was,

641
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, make sure we're working to make sure our

642
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 1>kids have a better life, and it's just the constant goal.

643
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.119
<v Speaker 1>So I'm glad that we're in a generation now and

644
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the generations that follow us that are more open to

645
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 1>taking the time to say, you know what, good job,

646
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.119
<v Speaker 1>like I can put myself.

647
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:10.079
<v Speaker 2>On the back.

648
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop. But you know, that's why

649
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I love having these conversations because I feel like we

650
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.599
<v Speaker 1>don't give it to ourselves enough. And I would be

651
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>being a hypocrite because I'm sure my friends are listening

652
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.519
<v Speaker 1>and saying, hmm, it's hard to tell you you're doing

653
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:26.599
<v Speaker 1>a good job, and I'm here telling others like, no,

654
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>don't say that to yourself.

655
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, yeah, so that's why you're accomplished so much

656
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.199
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, I feel like I have.

657
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I feel you're just sitting here like is Mia

658
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>talking about It's not me, But no, I'm here to

659
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 1>tell you the little that I know and what I've learned.

660
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:49.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're doing a lot, and you're inspiring women

661
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.199
<v Speaker 1>and young girls around the world. I'm sure of it,

662
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 1>just because you know one of what you're doing. And

663
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>like you said, people see the glits and the glamour,

664
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 1>but even what you spoke of today, a lots of

665
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.639
<v Speaker 1>people may not know that that you're dealing with that

666
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:04.559
<v Speaker 1>stuff on the back end. They just see the output,

667
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>you know.

668
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:06.559
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think.

669
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 1>These conversations are really important so that younger girls and

670
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>other women that are interested can see it's not always

671
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 1>glitz and glamour. To be ahead of your time, to

672
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:21.559
<v Speaker 1>be a leader, I think it's really how you handle it,

673
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I think that says the

674
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.039
<v Speaker 1>most about you as a person.

675
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Perseverance through adversity.

676
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yes, okay, So two more questions before our final segment.

677
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:38.239
<v Speaker 1>What would you say is your big dream for Lavish

678
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:41.639
<v Speaker 1>the band and just for yourself in general.

679
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Biggest dream for Lavish honestly, like for me, every year,

680
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I just try to do better than the previous year.

681
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>So I'd say my big dream is to just have

682
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:03.719
<v Speaker 2>a flawless year where there are hiccups, where everybody can say,

683
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:08.719
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I had absolutely no issues, not one,

684
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:13.920
<v Speaker 2>not one issue from start to finish. Yeah, that's my

685
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 2>big dream.

686
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

687
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:22.119
<v Speaker 2>So that would be for that for me personally, if

688
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I if that happens and I see fifteen hundred people

689
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.639
<v Speaker 2>happy and smiling and laughing, that's a lot of smiles

690
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.199
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of happiness to last me until the

691
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.280
<v Speaker 2>next day for when Carme will come again.

692
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Well, we're gonna say that's exactly what's

693
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.400
<v Speaker 1>going to happen. I'm putting it out there.

694
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Existence yes, yes, for.

695
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Sure, for sure. Before we transition to our final segment,

696
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I've been allowing my guests this season to ask me

697
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.679
<v Speaker 1>one question, since I guess don't usually get to ask

698
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>a question. So is there anything you'd like to ask me?

699
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Oh, I'm gonna throw your question back at you.

700
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, where do you see or what is one

701
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 2>of your big goals for whether it's personal or your

702
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 2>business wise, that you have for this year?

703
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Good question. I would say my biggest goal is

704
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.039
<v Speaker 1>for this podcast to reach as many people as possible,

705
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:29.199
<v Speaker 1>particularly in the Caribbean diaspora, just because I find that

706
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>every conversation I've had always leaves me with something like

707
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>some sort of introspection, some type of connection. I mean,

708
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I was getting chills earlier when you said you just

709
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>spoke to someone about something I mentioned. That literally happens

710
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.320
<v Speaker 1>every time I have a guest, which I think is

711
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>so like, I think it's like a God said thing

712
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.039
<v Speaker 1>because I you know, we don't know each other. So

713
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 1>the fact that like, I feel like God has sent

714
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>me to certain people and even and things that you've

715
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>said today have resonated with me personally that I needed

716
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>to hear, although you know, I may not have said

717
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.239
<v Speaker 1>it in the moment. So I just love having these conversations,

718
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.239
<v Speaker 1>and I would love to take it on like a

719
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>bigger scale and really just talk to more Caribbean women,

720
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>more Caribbean people, and have conversations that we didn't necessarily

721
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.039
<v Speaker 1>necessarily get to have growing up, and we necessarily don't

722
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 1>have every day because a lot of us are dealing

723
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 1>with the same things. You know, whether I'm talking to

724
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Deborah Cox or whether I'm talking to other celebrities or

725
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 1>just normal people or my friends. You know, like we're

726
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 1>all dealing with very similar things. And I just love

727
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that people can come here and trust me to ask

728
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>them whatever they want, whatever I want to ask them,

729
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 1>and know that it's a safe space. There's no gossip here,

730
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing salacious. I just feel like I'm here to make

731
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 1>people hold up a mirror and recognize their worth and

732
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:59.360
<v Speaker 1>their value, and they give the same back to me.

733
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Right.

734
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Love that, Yeah, thank you.

735
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 2>I love that. That's what you get your joy. So

736
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 2>my joy comes from the mass Garad is happy, and

737
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:13.480
<v Speaker 2>you like when your guests, You get that gratification from

738
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.960
<v Speaker 2>your guests, Yeah, be able to feel comfortable and to

739
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 2>open up to you.

740
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, yes. And I love when they leave and like

741
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.880
<v Speaker 1>we end the conversation and talk afterwards and they're like,

742
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.519
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, that was so fun, or you know,

743
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that's about myself. And usually like we

744
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.599
<v Speaker 1>end up just being friends because we realize, like, oh

745
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, we have so much in common. And I

746
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:38.119
<v Speaker 1>just feel like nowadays you don't meet very genuine people

747
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.280
<v Speaker 1>all the time, especially when you're in spaces or you know,

748
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:46.039
<v Speaker 1>I come from a background where my dad's a famous musician,

749
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 1>So a lots of times you don't know if people

750
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 1>are talking to you because of that, you know, you

751
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 1>would know that experience, and it's just it's really like

752
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.039
<v Speaker 1>it's it warms my heart when I meet people that

753
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.159
<v Speaker 1>just like like me for me, or like we're laughing

754
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and joking just for me, Like you don't know anything

755
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.280
<v Speaker 1>about me, you don't need anything from me, and so

756
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.840
<v Speaker 1>like I cherish those types of relationships, even if they're

757
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>built sporadically like in these conversations.

758
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I totally agree, Like I am also learning to

759
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:24.760
<v Speaker 2>practice discernments like because again, yes I may be I

760
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>may be genuine like open to genuine friendships, and trust me,

761
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:34.480
<v Speaker 2>they do come and they basically use you for what

762
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 2>you can do for them and you when you don't

763
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 2>see it after the fact, like I'm heartbroken when I

764
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 2>lose friends or things like that. But I keep like

765
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I guard myself because of that because I have experienced

766
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:53.199
<v Speaker 2>it plenty times where people come around just because of that,

767
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.039
<v Speaker 2>and it's so bad, Like I don't like when people

768
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:59.000
<v Speaker 2>refer to me as I'm sorry that I don't like

769
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.239
<v Speaker 2>when people do you refer to me as tall priest daughter. Yes,

770
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 2>I have my own identity. I'm Ebony. Get to know

771
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.679
<v Speaker 2>me for me, and that's just a bonus. Yeah, he's there,

772
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.159
<v Speaker 2>but that's not me. That's not who I am exactly.

773
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.280
<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't mean you're not pro to be his daughter.

774
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:18.039
<v Speaker 2>But you are your own person. And I think that

775
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 2>you know what you said again, something I also needed

776
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:22.159
<v Speaker 2>to hear a discernment.

777
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.760
<v Speaker 1>That's like one of my words for this year. My

778
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.280
<v Speaker 1>other word is freedom. That's like a favorite word of

779
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 1>mine because I just think it's so important and it's

780
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:34.199
<v Speaker 1>hard when you're a genuinely kind person to recognize when

781
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 1>people are being kind in a manipulative way, you know

782
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:40.719
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. So like, oh, I know that if

783
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind to Ebony, then I can play mass with her.

784
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Or I know if I'm kind to Ebny, I can

785
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.639
<v Speaker 1>go to her dad's concert.

786
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 2>And help built my business. That's really yeah.

787
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.039
<v Speaker 1>There you go, there you go. No, it's a real thing,

788
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and so like, you don't want to turn into this person.

789
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I was just saying it. I had my friend Rochelle

790
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>on my podcast the last episode, and I was just

791
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.559
<v Speaker 1>saying it to her. I don't want to make that

792
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.559
<v Speaker 1>change me, right, because then I'm not being my authentic self.

793
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.239
<v Speaker 1>So what I've decided is I'm just gonna be that

794
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.079
<v Speaker 1>way once I recognize that person to deserve that or

795
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.800
<v Speaker 1>they've shown me that they're genuine, rather than just saying,

796
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm not gonna be kind to anybody

797
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 1>anymore because people end up using me, and then that

798
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 1>creates stress for me and I'm not getting any rinkles

799
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 1>for anybody.

800
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, how's it. I don't know how to. I wish

801
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I could, like I hope I'm able to do that

802
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 2>and be like you in the future. It's but it's

803
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of hard to like hold hold back. It's kind

804
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.840
<v Speaker 2>of like like holding back a bit. Usually I just

805
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 2>jump head first into what do you need help with?

806
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Like I can help you do that or different things

807
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 2>or give advice. But I want to be able to

808
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:55.039
<v Speaker 2>hold back.

809
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 1>You know what, You'll reach a point where something happens

810
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 1>where you just wake up one day and say, you

811
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:02.960
<v Speaker 1>know what, I don't want to feel like this anymore.

812
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:05.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't want people to speak to me like this

813
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 1>or use me or treat me this certain way, and

814
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 1>it just turns off. There's no big announcement. You don't

815
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 1>post any memes. You just decide like you're done dealing

816
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.079
<v Speaker 1>with it. And again, you don't have to change who

817
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 1>you are as a person. You don't have to treat

818
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>people differently, but you have boundaries. And the first thing

819
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.559
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you that's going to happen is then

820
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>people are really going to be upset with you, because Ebony,

821
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 1>how dare you put yourself first? How dare you You're

822
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.360
<v Speaker 1>supposed to put me first? Because I used to be

823
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.119
<v Speaker 1>just like, how can I help? What can I do?

824
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 1>What do you need? But you see, when I needed that,

825
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Speaker 1>it was silent because since I'm always doing everything, people

826
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.159
<v Speaker 1>then look at you and say, oh, Ebite doesn't need anything.

827
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:47.079
<v Speaker 1>She's strong, she always handles everything. She doesn't need my help,

828
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And so it's a two

829
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 1>way street because you have to look inward and say, well,

830
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:56.199
<v Speaker 1>what have I done to let them believe that that

831
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:58.199
<v Speaker 1>was okay to treat me that way? Right? Like, we

832
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 1>have to take some accountability for that. But once you

833
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.719
<v Speaker 1>realize that the person is doing something over and over

834
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:06.599
<v Speaker 1>again or treating you a certain way, then it's in

835
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 1>comment upon you to say, all right, you know what.

836
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't like how this feels. I don't have to

837
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:13.280
<v Speaker 1>tell off the person, but I need to make sure

838
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.760
<v Speaker 1>that they're not in my surroundings, maybe as much because

839
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 1>they don't genuinely appreciate me. Because god forbid, you don't

840
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>have the things that they're after anymore, You'll never hear

841
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:28.400
<v Speaker 1>from them again. It's that simple. You know. It's so sad,

842
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's true. So we were meant to have this conversation.

843
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:39.679
<v Speaker 1>I told you every time, all right, So for our

844
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>last segment, I'm going to ask you seven rapid fire questions.

845
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>It really quick, and I want you to answer with

846
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the first thing that comes to mind. So it's one

847
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:55.519
<v Speaker 1>word or one sentence. Ready, Yeah, all right? What's your

848
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.760
<v Speaker 1>favorite Grenadian dish?

849
00:48:58.079 --> 00:48:59.599
<v Speaker 2>A long? Oh?

850
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to try that. I've been hearing about

851
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that and it has call lou. I love cala loo,

852
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>so I'm like, I have to try that. So as

853
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:10.639
<v Speaker 1>soon as I try it, I'm gonna let you know

854
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.719
<v Speaker 1>what I think because I'm so excited to try it.

855
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Isn't Jamaican klarloo different to our calalu? Oh? Is it?

856
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:17.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't want?

857
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

858
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's different to Jamaican kla loo.

859
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now I really have to let you know what

860
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 1>I try it because I was just assuming it's just

861
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.960
<v Speaker 1>like our cala lou. Interesting, Okay, I'm excited to try

862
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 1>it now. All right, next question, I think I know

863
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 1>what you're gonna say, but I'm gonna ask anyway socab.

864
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 2>I thought you was gonna say soka or dance.

865
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 1>All well, you beat me to it, my girl. I

866
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 1>was gonna say so jab jab or dance all but

867
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:58.719
<v Speaker 1>what I get jab that.

868
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Is not a genre music though it's soca.

869
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:04.760
<v Speaker 1>So okay, let me ask you a question because maybe

870
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:09.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm confused. So job jab is not a genre of

871
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:15.760
<v Speaker 1>music that's the actual like juve or the event. Yeah right,

872
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:20.079
<v Speaker 1>so even if a Grenadian like what's his name, is it,

873
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:27.519
<v Speaker 1>mister Killer? He's Grenadian soca's okay, so that's still considered soca. Yeah, okay,

874
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:29.159
<v Speaker 1>all right, Well let's back it up then, because I

875
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:30.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize that.

876
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 2>If you want to say, like job music, I feel

877
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.519
<v Speaker 2>like it's a subgenre of soca, but it's not a

878
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 2>genre's mostly when they use like the drums as the

879
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:43.760
<v Speaker 2>main part of it. So, yeah, exact feeling because you

880
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 2>know they use drums for juve, but it's not a

881
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:46.880
<v Speaker 2>jon k.

882
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Emily. You're teaching me something I've been speaking of to

883
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 1>turn this whole time. Okay, So Soca or dancehall, it's clear,

884
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.599
<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen. I couldn't even fish scented. Soca is the.

885
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Winner, absolutely, if Cardible is awesome. Yeah, I'm feeling like

886
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:12.199
<v Speaker 2>a bad yell that. Hey, I play some Yes, I

887
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:16.880
<v Speaker 2>play Stevens, I play some Spies, I play yes Seda.

888
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:20.639
<v Speaker 1>You know I love that. Yeah, yeah, sometimes you know

889
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:24.159
<v Speaker 1>you have to touch your toe a little, you know. Yeah,

890
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:28.760
<v Speaker 1>but yes, yes, I one hundred percent agree. I would

891
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.599
<v Speaker 1>choose Socca as well. Even as a Jamaican, I like

892
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:35.079
<v Speaker 1>dance hall, but Soca and reggae, like old school reggae.

893
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 1>I grew up with a lot of like my uncles

894
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 1>and grandparents like you said, and just around my parents,

895
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.320
<v Speaker 1>so I love like that older type of rock steady

896
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:44.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of reggae too.

897
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, your question, you ever listened to Soca and

898
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 2>feel there's only one feeling you feel when you listen

899
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to Soca. You never listen to Soca and feel like, yeah,

900
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:01.559
<v Speaker 2>it's true, happy music.

901
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 1>It's true and That's why I love it. I feel

902
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.880
<v Speaker 1>like it because freedom is like my word of my life,

903
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.360
<v Speaker 1>not even of this year. That's how it makes me

904
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 1>feel like. It makes me feel free, makes me feel happy,

905
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 1>makes me feel like I can do anything. But I

906
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:17.800
<v Speaker 1>can also bend down and touch my toe if I

907
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.400
<v Speaker 1>wanted to. But the overall feeling, like you said, is

908
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:26.880
<v Speaker 1>like a happy vibe. I agree on good music, yes

909
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:29.440
<v Speaker 1>for sure. And we want to feel good. Yes, we

910
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.519
<v Speaker 1>want that all right. Next question? What one must have

911
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:37.840
<v Speaker 1>item in your carnival spice mass survival kit.

912
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:47.320
<v Speaker 2>As a female? Yes, I would say a sewing kid.

913
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Ooh, I was not expecting that. So why is it

914
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:53.480
<v Speaker 1>just in kids?

915
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:57.440
<v Speaker 2>You have a little accident, something bus on you like,

916
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.800
<v Speaker 2>imagine on the street, an your pants.

917
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:12.119
<v Speaker 1>God no, but it's true. Yeah, what about people like

918
00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 1>me that can't?

919
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:15.840
<v Speaker 2>So what are we supposed to do with a needle?

920
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:19.079
<v Speaker 2>You just you jerk the needle in with the tread,

921
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:20.840
<v Speaker 2>You pull it out, you jerk it in again, you

922
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:22.199
<v Speaker 2>pull it out. Trust me.

923
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you can pull? You can pull it?

924
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

925
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.079
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that should be the title for this.

926
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 1>You can pull, got it can pull?

927
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

928
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay? Next question, if lavish the band were a fragrance,

929
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 1>what would it smell like?

930
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was saying, have you ever smelled ca Alie

931
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.119
<v Speaker 2>vanilla twenty eight?

932
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:53.599
<v Speaker 1>That's one of my favorites.

933
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I would say a mix of that and tom food

934
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 2>lost cherry, So you smell like cherry.

935
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:05.719
<v Speaker 1>But I like that very nice, very lavish and fabulous.

936
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:08.679
<v Speaker 2>I like that. Why because people and sweets.

937
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>We would like to smell sweet and subtle on the road.

938
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:16.199
<v Speaker 1>We would like to make sure that you have your antipersperate.

939
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.599
<v Speaker 1>This is not the time to use a no anti

940
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:22.159
<v Speaker 1>prosperate deodorant. Want to make sure you have your antiperspirant.

941
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.239
<v Speaker 1>And you're smelling very lavish on the road. So yes,

942
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.599
<v Speaker 1>I like that combination. Very nice, very nice. All right,

943
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Next question a couple more. What's one thing tourists must

944
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.639
<v Speaker 1>do when they come to Grenada besides spice mass So

945
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.159
<v Speaker 1>if they don't come in August, for.

946
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Example, I would say to go to the If you

947
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:44.480
<v Speaker 2>like the water, I would say to go to the

948
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Underwater Sculpture Park. You're just snuggling, Yeah, isn't it like

949
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the eighth Wonders of the World or something

950
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:58.960
<v Speaker 2>like that. Yeah, they have like a whole underwater community

951
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:01.719
<v Speaker 2>down there with different sculptures. It's a part of the

952
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.320
<v Speaker 2>coral reef enhancement. So I would say, if you like

953
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the water and you like snarkling, I would say, do that,

954
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:11.519
<v Speaker 2>don't don't be like me when I go. I don't.

955
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't go in the water. I just say everybody else.

956
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.039
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like me, like I can't swim, but I

957
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:21.039
<v Speaker 1>can't really swim swim if you know what I mean.

958
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, like I can tread water. But yeah, I'm

959
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.880
<v Speaker 1>not like Jacques Coustoe like diving. Yeah, no that's not

960
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:28.760
<v Speaker 1>That's not my thing.

961
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Let's just say they put a life jacket on me.

962
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:33.679
<v Speaker 2>I would probably drown from fair.

963
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So no underwater sculpture for you, however, you do

964
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 1>recommend it for those that are of the deep diving persuasion.

965
00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Very nice, okay. Two more questions. Which Caribbean woman past

966
00:55:54.760 --> 00:56:02.760
<v Speaker 1>or present has most inspired you and your journey.

967
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Does it have to be with business wise?

968
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>No, No, it could be personal business. Just any Caribbean woman.

969
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 2>So I would say, especially like for my career. I

970
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:21.000
<v Speaker 2>have a friend. She probably doesn't even know this. She

971
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:25.079
<v Speaker 2>was a past carnival queen as well, okay, and she

972
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:29.559
<v Speaker 2>went on to doing her medical degree. I am gonna,

973
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I am going back to medical school soon. She went

974
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 2>on to do her medical degree, she became a doctor,

975
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.239
<v Speaker 2>she moved over here, and she's now the medical director

976
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:44.920
<v Speaker 2>of a hospital in Rhode Island. So I would say

977
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 2>she even inspired me from being you know, from back home,

978
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:55.559
<v Speaker 2>poor family, and again she persevered through adversity and just

979
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:58.039
<v Speaker 2>the same. I'm over here, I'm on my own. So

980
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 2>that is one of the inspirations I have in my

981
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:04.840
<v Speaker 2>career and career building. And she's always supported me as well.

982
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Nakita Noel, that's her name. I love that, so

983
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I would say for it would be for her. Correct.

984
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I love that, And I love That's something I love

985
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:20.199
<v Speaker 1>about being a Caribbean woman, a woman like we like

986
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.519
<v Speaker 1>to have fun and you know, carnival and dancing and

987
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>all these things, but we're very educated and we know

988
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 1>how to do both. I think that's really a skill

989
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that we have as Caribbean women, for sure. Yeah, I

990
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:39.719
<v Speaker 1>love that. Okay. And final question, what has building Lavish

991
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.519
<v Speaker 1>the Band taught you about yourself that you didn't know before?

992
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:48.320
<v Speaker 2>That I'm a people pleaser, but I'm a people pleaser

993
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 2>to a fault of mine, where when I don't please

994
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:58.239
<v Speaker 2>the way I want to, or people are not happy,

995
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:01.880
<v Speaker 2>they don't have the reaction but I want them to that.

996
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:06.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm very hard on myself for it. So it's taught

997
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:13.679
<v Speaker 2>me to understand that I can't please everybody. And it's

998
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:17.360
<v Speaker 2>not just only within lavige. But I've noticed that much

999
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 2>more because I'm dealing with much more people on a

1000
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.920
<v Speaker 2>larger scale in my career. I'm dealing with patients one

1001
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:26.159
<v Speaker 2>on one, but and as one to two patients at

1002
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:30.039
<v Speaker 2>a time max. But with fifteen hundred people, and I

1003
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.960
<v Speaker 2>like to deal with them face to face talking. I

1004
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:37.519
<v Speaker 2>can't please everybody. Not everybody's gonna like this. Everybody's gonna

1005
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.119
<v Speaker 2>like this design, yep, And that's okay. And that's and

1006
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm learning that that is okay. Not everybody's gonna like me.

1007
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:48.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm learning that that's okay. You don't have the okay yep, yep, yep,

1008
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:53.079
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's good, right because everybody is not supposed

1009
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.159
<v Speaker 2>to like you. That means that you're doing something right.

1010
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:57.280
<v Speaker 2>That means that you stand up for things. That means

1011
00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>that you have your own opinion, You have a difference

1012
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:02.239
<v Speaker 2>of opinion. That's like the positive spin I would put

1013
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:03.280
<v Speaker 2>on it, you know.

1014
00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:07.719
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, like nobody likes everyone. You don't even like everyone,

1015
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:11.119
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And so in your case,

1016
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you're not a plate of oil dong, So everybody's not

1017
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna love you, because clearly that's the only thing that

1018
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I think every Grenadian loves is oil dong. So unless

1019
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.239
<v Speaker 1>you can morph into that dish, then yeah, that's a

1020
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.679
<v Speaker 1>good mindset to have. Thank you so much for coming

1021
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:34.320
<v Speaker 1>to talk things with me. Thank you for the vision,

1022
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:37.719
<v Speaker 1>the vibe, and for showing us what it means to

1023
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>lead with culture and creativity. And Lavish to me, isn't

1024
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:46.800
<v Speaker 1>just a carnival band, as you've explained, it's really your

1025
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:51.280
<v Speaker 1>love letter to Grenada and a reminder that we can

1026
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:55.880
<v Speaker 1>celebrate who we are and still continue to grow bigger

1027
00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:58.079
<v Speaker 1>and more lavishly.

1028
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:02.679
<v Speaker 2>I like that, You're right.

1029
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I like that perfect, perfect. And do you have anything

1030
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:10.079
<v Speaker 1>that you'd like to announce or where people can follow

1031
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Lavish the Band and kind of keep up with what's

1032
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:14.599
<v Speaker 1>going on for Spice Mass.

1033
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely so you can follow our Instagram. It's at

1034
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Lavish the Band. So lav I s H T. E band,

1035
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:30.559
<v Speaker 2>our website www dot lavishtheband dot com. We just launched

1036
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.639
<v Speaker 2>our designs for Spice Mass twenty twenty five, so they

1037
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:35.880
<v Speaker 2>can visit our website, they can take a look at

1038
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.760
<v Speaker 2>prices costumes, and they can start registering for their carnival

1039
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:42.519
<v Speaker 2>costumes if they're coming to Spice Mass. And if you're not,

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<v Speaker 2>you're missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, yes for sure. And if you've ever felt a

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<v Speaker 1>call to create something rooted in who you are, I

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<v Speaker 1>would recommend our listeners look at what Ebony is building

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<v Speaker 1>and has built with Lavish, follow her, support the movement,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you're ready for an experience like she said,

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<v Speaker 1>you can meet her on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>At Spice Mass. Thanks so much for coming to talk

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<v Speaker 2>and talk things with me, Evane, I really appreciate it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you and thank you for having me of course,