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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to my world.

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<v Speaker 2>Bitch good.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, that's right, listeners, we are here. I'm Jason Knight.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Oscar Spector.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is the one hundred and fifty ninth episode

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<v Speaker 3>of the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So sluggishly paranormal.

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<v Speaker 3>Another adjective, Happy Christmas season, my little Candy canes, very happy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oscar's more peace. See, I'm a Christmas guy. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 3>happy Christmas, my little Candy canes, my little Santa hats.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, so weird it out. I'm sitting with them, folks.

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<v Speaker 3>I just makes it. It's Christmas and I'm saying all

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<v Speaker 3>your Christmas Is things. But we have a fucked up

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<v Speaker 3>episode tonight, Yeah we do. It's it's kind of ugly.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we get into that, Oscar, we uh. Even

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<v Speaker 3>though we're releasing this on December first, this is being

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<v Speaker 3>recorded before Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well before Halloween's a few weeks away. Still, that's

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<v Speaker 1>right from our current stature.

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<v Speaker 3>So echoes from the past.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would say that when you listen to the show,

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<v Speaker 1>we must have been happier people at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you say, I don't know that it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get worse. It does it just gets worse and w worse.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to us and very happy old in times.

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<v Speaker 3>So three months ago, happy old three months yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Not even I guess no, but SI say though, Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna try to perict the future with

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<v Speaker 1>you and the future. So like we're in October, we're

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<v Speaker 1>in October, we're time releasing this episode. When we listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this next, it'll be released on air in December

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<v Speaker 1>first for our listeners. Yes, I think by then there's

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<v Speaker 1>a good chance you you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Predicting my future. So you're predicting my future.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally think you will be addicted to vicodin.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm gonna come down with a prescription addiction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been watching House lately also, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's my prediction for you. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>is that happened to me?

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<v Speaker 3>I think you are going to stumble upon a designer

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<v Speaker 3>drug really, and you are going to jump in feed

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<v Speaker 3>first really and be addiction adduled.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do anything half asked.

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<v Speaker 3>By January, I would hope.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's my birthday month. It's my birthday month.

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<v Speaker 3>I get all your New Year's baby, that's r yes, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna pick, You're gonna find it. A designer drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Some take on on mes some new spin.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that fence andyl? Is that designer drug? What's a

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<v Speaker 1>designer drug?

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<v Speaker 3>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>What makes a designer drug?

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know in my day?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it something pack it?

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<v Speaker 3>That ecstasy that was malli like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Designer I feel like a designer drug was a designer drug.

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<v Speaker 1>What's popular with the young people? Is that what that is?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Like I feel like hearing at one

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<v Speaker 3>time was a designer drug. Then it just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just started creating fighting zombies and right everything else. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's just kind of a dirt bag drug now, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess just just the bottom of the barrel, fucking

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<v Speaker 3>dirt bag drug. I don't know. Yeah, indeed, like your ecstasy,

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<v Speaker 3>your molly, your.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess I never thought about looking about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the meaning of the cocaine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure still a designer drug. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>never got into drugs. It's one thing I never did.

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<v Speaker 3>I would like the drug.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to upgrade my crack house to a

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine house one.

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<v Speaker 3>Day, dude, you gotta shoot for the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the holiday season.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 3>Miracles happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you about that one time I did try cocaine, right,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't tell you about that time?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first time ever, two years ago, I tried

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine one that one day, one night only. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like I tried it again?

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<v Speaker 3>What was it like?

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<v Speaker 1>It was good?

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<v Speaker 3>I can see that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see like I went to I went to

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<v Speaker 1>not a rave but no an DM concert with a

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<v Speaker 1>friend and she was like because we were like, She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna bring something special. I don't know what it

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna be. And she's like it's a little baggy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, is that fucking chalk powder? No? No, He's

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<v Speaker 1>like no, it's like really and like, yes, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to try it. I'm like yes, Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 1>said yes. With that hesitation.

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<v Speaker 3>We got to put a disclaimer on this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine, no one that you limiteddu is a long gune.

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<v Speaker 1>The not in my system.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, no, I'm worried about the children out there.

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<v Speaker 1>That they're not listening to it. If they are, we

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<v Speaker 1>say fucked up ship here we do so we do anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did try it and it was fun. I

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<v Speaker 1>liked it. I had a few bumps. Got me going,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate my hey, my throat though differently, which is

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<v Speaker 1>I had to get used to that, the throat thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to feel

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's fine. It's just a drug. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm into it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, you're not into it for sure. You

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<v Speaker 3>have to start stealing my fucking silverware? Are you thinking

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<v Speaker 3>from your coke?

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen your silverware. It's barely silver.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my lord, the revelations that come out on this show,

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<v Speaker 3>I swear to God, Well, for a Christmas miracle, you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna you're gonna get hooked on some some designer drug

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<v Speaker 3>and you updated to a cocaine.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so you yeah, exactly, just so you all know.

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<v Speaker 1>The concert was for Lady.

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<v Speaker 3>De John, Lady Jon de Jon Mustard.

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<v Speaker 1>YEA believe that was her.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice all right. Well, since this is talking from the past,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have any news or any anything to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about as far as catching up.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, because it will we know who got elected.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>No, by that time the episode comes out for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm saying, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't talk about it now. No, But I mean

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't idea who's going to get elected. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not saying that. I guess either.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about these election These canvassers that do they

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<v Speaker 3>come to your house all the time? No, multiple times

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<v Speaker 3>a week people ring my doorbell. It's hooked up through

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<v Speaker 3>ELECTSA and all this ship, so it rings like werewolves

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<v Speaker 3>fucking throughout the house.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 3>So multiple times a week's.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of wearob like te teen wolf or like

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<v Speaker 1>something old school.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of from American wearl from London. So at times

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<v Speaker 3>a week these people come to my house and they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>are your plan to vote?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I planned to vote who you're voting for? I remember

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<v Speaker 3>a time, but back in my you didn't talk about

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<v Speaker 3>this ship politics, You didn't who you're voting for.

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<v Speaker 1>People didn't talk about money. But you don't ask people

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<v Speaker 1>about money.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's still the same. People still don't

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<v Speaker 3>like what you make of it.

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<v Speaker 1>In general.

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<v Speaker 3>I still consider that full pall. But yeah, politics, we

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<v Speaker 3>never talked about it. Growing up. No that you just

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<v Speaker 3>didn't talk. It's my business, not your business. So these

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<v Speaker 3>people are always come to the house and they want an

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<v Speaker 3>answer who am I voting for? And I always tell

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<v Speaker 3>them I just well, I used to say Kennedy and

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<v Speaker 3>you should see the fads to look on these people's faces,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they would leave. Now I just tell them, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't talk about it, and they're like, okay, I

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<v Speaker 3>respect that, and they walk away.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, I've had

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<v Speaker 1>I have a couple of friends literally, just two that

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<v Speaker 1>do canonsen, one in Ohio and one in Chicago or

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<v Speaker 1>the outskirts of Chicago, and they tell me some they've

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<v Speaker 1>been texting me lately about some interesting people.

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<v Speaker 3>They meet, like you know, I'm sure, oh, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>People conflicted about this, so that or the way to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it is they find it interesting. And they're

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<v Speaker 1>very blue people, by the way, as you can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>being from Chicago. And uh yeah, they don't. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>hassle me.

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<v Speaker 3>Jay.

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<v Speaker 1>For one reason is that not only do I live

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<v Speaker 1>in an apartment, second floor type, but I have no doorbell,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank god. No one can bother me and

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<v Speaker 1>as they know my fucking phone number, I'll keep bastard,

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<v Speaker 1>so God damn riding. No one's gonna fucking hassle me,

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky Lucky.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, should we get into this episode. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>do it, Oscar. Could we take a break? Listeners, welcome

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<v Speaker 3>back to the show. Well, the lights are turned down low,

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<v Speaker 3>the ceremonial candle is lit, and the drinks are about

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<v Speaker 3>to start flowing. Let's start this show. Okay, So, just

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<v Speaker 3>like last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny how just the drinks portion of that intro

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<v Speaker 1>is actually right?

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<v Speaker 3>Or two episodes ago? Would it be two episodes ago?

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<v Speaker 3>When we I gave you to drink whiskey. As we

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<v Speaker 3>podcast loosens up a bit, I gave you three bottles

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<v Speaker 3>to choose from. Yeah, last time, and you chose the

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<v Speaker 3>very old Saint Nick. This time, I kept two of

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<v Speaker 3>those bottles and I introduced a new third bottle, which

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<v Speaker 3>would you like me to open? Oscar. We have the

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<v Speaker 3>Elijah Craig toast. This was one of your picks last time.

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<v Speaker 3>Ninety four proof picked that up from the distillery. I

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<v Speaker 3>have written house Rye bottled in bond, so it's one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred proof. Also not not Kyle mitten House, Oscar, you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna get us canceled. Picked this up from the distillery too.

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<v Speaker 3>That's bottled in Bond one hundred proof. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>said that already. And the new one I introduced is

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<v Speaker 3>a ten year Henry McKenna. This is also bib bottled

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<v Speaker 3>in Bond. It was bottled in April fifth, twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>which one good, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a twelve year not a ten year.

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<v Speaker 3>Well nowadays, but it was bottle that ten years. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't continue to age once they're in the bottle joke

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<v Speaker 3>like last time, which would you like?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, listeners, you guys don't know how the sausage is

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<v Speaker 1>made with this particular kind of aspect of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm gonna give you the choice. I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 3>We have one of those rare, few and far between

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<v Speaker 3>Woman of the Hour is directed by my celebrity freebie,

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the celebrity my wife says, I could you know

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<v Speaker 3>think hers is Josh Hartnett. Anyway, Anna Kendrick. She directs

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<v Speaker 3>the movie and she also stars in it. She plays

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<v Speaker 3>a woman named Cheryl Bradshaw, an aspiring actress who in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy eight picked a serial killer as her winner

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<v Speaker 3>on a wildly popular game show called The Dating Game. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this serial killer and rapist in question is a man

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<v Speaker 3>more like a goddamn animal named Rodney James Alcala, also

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<v Speaker 3>known as the Dating Game killer Now. Al Kala was

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<v Speaker 3>active between nineteen sixty eight and nineteen seventy nine, and

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<v Speaker 3>he had a very peculiar mo since Rodney was considered

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<v Speaker 3>good looking, tall fit, bright white, shark smile, tan skin, long,

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<v Speaker 3>thick black hair, and he was incredibly smart and very smooth,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was good with a camera. Rodney Alcalo would

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<v Speaker 3>lull his victims into this false sense of security because

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<v Speaker 3>he would pose as a successful fashion photographer. So here's

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<v Speaker 3>this handsome for the nineteen seventies guy. He's an incredibly

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<v Speaker 3>smooth talker, and he's got a camera, and he's a

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<v Speaker 3>totally clueless as to who the man behind the camera

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<v Speaker 3>really was. And that was his m tricking women into

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<v Speaker 3>getting them alone by posing as a photographer. Well that

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<v Speaker 3>in rape and torture, he liked to strangle his victims

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<v Speaker 3>to the point of death, then revive them again, only

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<v Speaker 3>to do it again and again and again. He also

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<v Speaker 3>loved to pose his victims' bodies to as a calla

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<v Speaker 3>put it, defile the victims the best I can and death.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a real fucking winner we're talking about this

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<v Speaker 3>time had said that Rodney alcala is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most prolific serial killers in American history, and he's often

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<v Speaker 3>likened to Ted Bundy. Just a killing machine. Any young

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<v Speaker 3>woman or girl, young man who crossed this guy's path

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<v Speaker 3>and survived is extremely lucky, as anyone regardless of age, race,

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<v Speaker 3>or second was a potential victim. And when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to victim count, Rodney Alcolla's trail of bodies is placed

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<v Speaker 3>between eight and one hundred and thirty. Okay, Now, if

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<v Speaker 3>the numbers are correct, and I'll Calla's body count is

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<v Speaker 3>really that high, that would rank this monster as the

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<v Speaker 3>second worst serial killer in modern history, the first being

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<v Speaker 3>Luis Garavito, known as Labistilla the Beast, a child murderer

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<v Speaker 3>from Colombia who has one hundred and thirty eight confirmed kills.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you will explain it. That gap, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>there must be a reason. Yeah, there is, Okay, there is,

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<v Speaker 1>and I won't ask until you get there. But obviously

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<v Speaker 1>to my first question is like, how do you go

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<v Speaker 1>from A to one thirty?

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll calla this guy. He was fucking smart, incredibly smart.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a genius level IQ. Now, when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to intelligent quotient or someone's IQ, I want to give

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<v Speaker 3>you guys some information on how people score and what

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<v Speaker 3>those IQ numbers mean. Now, generally, an IQ under one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred is considered below average, almost kind of borderlining on

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<v Speaker 3>hundred is considered average. An IQ over one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>forty is considered a high IQ, and an IQ score

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<v Speaker 3>of one hundred and sixty plus is considered genius level IQ.

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<v Speaker 3>Approximately seventy percent of the population falls within the IQ

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<v Speaker 3>range of eighty five to one point fifteen, which doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>say very much about population. In most scoring systems, less

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<v Speaker 3>than three percent of people score higher than one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and thirty. Rodney Alcala, this asshole had a staggering one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and sixty IQ, which classified him as exceptionally gifted.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is rare occurring in about one in thirty

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<v Speaker 3>one thousand, five hundred and sixty people. Isn't that some shit?

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<v Speaker 3>This fucking guy was a genius like verifiably, verifiably, Charles

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<v Speaker 3>Darwin and Ludwig van Beethoven had IQs of one sixty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Einstein and Stephen Hawkings both had IQs of one sixty,

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<v Speaker 3>Ted Bundy one twenty four, Adolf Hitler one forty one,

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<v Speaker 3>and Jeffrey Dahmer won forty five. If al call it

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<v Speaker 3>didn't become a serial killer, God knows what he could

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<v Speaker 3>have accomplished with a mind like that. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 3>had an IQ equivalent to Stephen Hawking and Einstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that something Hey kind of makes you think about psychopathy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming he has that or had.

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<v Speaker 3>That, and sexual satis for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But you know, psychopathy is interesting because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people attribute that to intelligence, not like saying people

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a fright eire, not like people who people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't know what's going on with that with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the psychology of that would can attribute people being a

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<v Speaker 1>psychopath with being smart.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you know what I'm saying. Yes, they say, like dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>People can be psychopaths one hundred percent, but like that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we don't attribute that that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they say, like your your high powered lawyers, you're,

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<v Speaker 3>you're cream of the crop, doctors, you're, you know, these

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<v Speaker 3>insanely successful businessmen, you know, captains of industry. They share

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of similarities with people that are psychotic with psychopathy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Michael Jordan, this is true. Yeah, you're you're your

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<v Speaker 3>cream of the crop, ultimate sports stars, right, have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the same similarities as psychopaths.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fucked up any Kubrick. He was an asshole with Kubrick.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Stanley Kubrick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, like that, you know, and you whatever tweaked.

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<v Speaker 1>There is to a psychopa psychopathic person that can lead

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<v Speaker 1>to violence enough to merit them serial killer. Obviously, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where you differ from you know, other psychopaths slash other geniuses.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's I think it's fascinating that we see

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<v Speaker 1>it that way. We tend to see smart people less evil,

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<v Speaker 1>bad or callous, a callous cold good point, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's there's gotta be some connection there that's more obvious

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not gonna talk about right now. But beyond

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<v Speaker 1>that connection, it seems like it's a it's a fact

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<v Speaker 1>when it isn't two separate things. You can be empathetic

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<v Speaker 1>and a genius. It doesn't have to be one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>There's many examples of that. But yeah, I just found

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<v Speaker 1>that interesting. I want to how many people blame his intellect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I haven't seen that too much. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>people want to give him the credit, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, genius genius. Possibly one of the worst serial

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<v Speaker 3>killers in modern history, but he was a genius. And

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<v Speaker 3>one of the craziest things about Rodney Alcola, besides being

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<v Speaker 3>a genius level murdering piece of shit. While he was

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<v Speaker 3>an active serial killer, Rodney Alcola had the gall to

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<v Speaker 3>appear as a contestant on a hit American television show

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<v Speaker 3>called The Dating Game Now The Dating Game, If you

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<v Speaker 3>don't Know, was an incredibly popular sleazy daytime television show

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<v Speaker 3>in the mid to late nineteen seventies. We're talking a

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<v Speaker 3>smoking hot bachelorette would ask ridiculous questions, usually dripping with

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<v Speaker 3>sexual undertones, to a hidden panel of three handsome bachelors.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's funny because I've I've seen this clip, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a lot of jokes, like skits that makes

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<v Speaker 1>fun of the dating game over the years in my lifetime,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've seen the Simpsons do it, I think, and

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<v Speaker 1>other things. I always find them funny. They're ridiculous. It's

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<v Speaker 1>as bad as love is blind. Honestly, it's as bad

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<v Speaker 1>as any of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I equate milk, Oh god, I equated to like

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<v Speaker 3>today's bachelor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's another good one. Man. And now their questions

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<v Speaker 1>are always so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's all this. And listeners, I would get to

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<v Speaker 3>this in a second, but you're gonna hear it. You're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna hear it firsthand, the questions that are asked, the

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<v Speaker 3>tone in which they're asked, and the responses.

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<v Speaker 1>Also the pride. I mean talk about pride before the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>Well he was already fallen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, like the kind of balls. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be you said Raisen to fight. It's beyond Braisen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's idiotic, it's psychotic. Yeah right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now so yeah, so, these sexually charged questions would be

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<v Speaker 3>asked to a panel of three handsome for the seventies bachelor's.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly hand some for today, to a lot of a.

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<v Speaker 3>lot of manes of hair going hair. This is very strange. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>based on the bachelor's answer, the bachelorette would ultimately choose

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<v Speaker 3>with hopes of something more happening kind of harmless BRAUNCHI

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<v Speaker 3>fun right. But on this particular episode of The Dating Game,

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<v Speaker 3>which aired on September thirteenth, nineteen seventy eight, despite his

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<v Speaker 3>criminal history because at this time, Alcala had been arrested

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<v Speaker 3>on numerous occasions up to this point, and stories differ

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<v Speaker 3>as to whether or not producers for The Dating Game

429
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<v Speaker 3>really checked into his background or not, which they were

430
00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:34.759
<v Speaker 3>supposed to do for all contestants. Anyway, on this date,

431
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:38.839
<v Speaker 3>millions of people got to watch a deranged serial killer

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<v Speaker 3>called Bachelor Number one attempt to lure his next victim

433
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<v Speaker 3>into his web by giving these cute, quippy, sexually charged

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<v Speaker 3>answers to the bachelorette's probing questions with this big, flashing,

435
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<v Speaker 3>bright smile. It's kind of this hyena smile to shading grin,

436
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<v Speaker 3>shitting grin of the cameras. It's actually it's horrifying once

437
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<v Speaker 3>you know who this guy is. Right, And as I

438
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<v Speaker 3>mentioned at the top of the show, the bachelorette Ryl Bradshaw,

439
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<v Speaker 3>actually chose to go on a date with Alcala. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to tell you what what happened to

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<v Speaker 3>the unlucky bachelorette yet yet. Now, actually we have a

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<v Speaker 3>clip from the Dating Game episode featuring Rodney Alcala as

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<v Speaker 3>Bachelor number one. Now listeners, it is a pretty long clip.

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<v Speaker 3>It's over three minutes. I hope you don't mind. But

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<v Speaker 3>now that you know just a little bit about Alcoala

446
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<v Speaker 3>and his crimes, the answer he gives in this Dating

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<v Speaker 3>Dame episode Dating Game episode are that much creepier and fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Just imagine yourself as the audience while you're listening.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, Oscar, could you please roll that clip?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much, thank you, and Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 4>dating game, and we'll get right on the way. It's

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<v Speaker 4>fun to meet our first three eligible bachelor's for game

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<v Speaker 4>number one, and here they are. Good luck Gallan, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>let's see bats. Number one is a successful photographer who

455
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<v Speaker 4>got his start when his father found him in the

456
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<v Speaker 4>dark room at the age of thirteen. Fully developed. Between takes,

457
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<v Speaker 4>he might find him skydiving or motorcycling. Please welcome Rodney

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<v Speaker 4>Alcohol Rode. Welcome, and it's time to beat our young

459
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<v Speaker 4>lady for game number one.

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<v Speaker 1>And here she is.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's a young lady with a welcome experience.

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<v Speaker 3>She once earned a.

463
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<v Speaker 4>Living massaging feet, but she quit when her boss suggested

464
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<v Speaker 4>that she worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Her way up.

466
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<v Speaker 4>Then she taught school in Phoenix, Arizona. Now she's here

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<v Speaker 4>to educate our three bachelors in the article more, It's

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<v Speaker 4>welcome if you will sensational Cheryl Bradshaw, Hello, Cheryl, don't

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<v Speaker 4>sit down the.

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<v Speaker 1>Act just a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to make sure everything is straight. He relaxed,

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<v Speaker 4>to do okay, all right, you know there are three

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<v Speaker 4>bachelors over there. There'll be one, two, and three. Anything

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<v Speaker 4>you like to find out more about them except their name, age, occupation,

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<v Speaker 4>or income.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and we're gonna start by.

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<v Speaker 4>Having them say hello to you and see how they

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<v Speaker 4>shall Number one, would you say hello to Cheryl?

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<v Speaker 2>Please?

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have a great time together.

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<v Speaker 4>Cheryl, okay, nad here we.

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<v Speaker 5>Go, Bachelor number one, Yes, across your best time.

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<v Speaker 1>The best time is at night, a nighttime.

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<v Speaker 5>Why do you say that because.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only time.

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<v Speaker 5>There is the only time. What's wrong with the morning? Afternoon?

487
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<v Speaker 4>Well, they're okay, But nighttimes when it really gets good.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you're really ready.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a drama teacher and I'm going to audition each

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<v Speaker 5>of you for my private class. Bachelor number one, and

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<v Speaker 5>you're red, dirty old man.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it. Come on over here.

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<v Speaker 4>Y go latin me.

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<v Speaker 5>A Bachelor number one. I am serving you for dinner.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh what are you called? And what do.

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<v Speaker 4>You look like? I'm called the Banana and I'm looking

497
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:23.960
<v Speaker 4>really good?

498
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:25.759
<v Speaker 5>Can you be a little more descriptive?

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<v Speaker 3>Peel me.

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<v Speaker 5>Later, Bachelor one later.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back to the dating game, and Cheryl, we have

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<v Speaker 4>reached the moment of truth, as we call it. You've

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<v Speaker 4>heard from the bachelor's You've got some great dramatic presentations,

504
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 4>some good answers. But now I'm gonna ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll let d be bachelor number one, Bachelor number two,

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<v Speaker 4>or bachelor number three. Who gets the dates?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I like bananas, so I'll take one number.

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<v Speaker 4>One batchlor number one. All right, Well, there they go. However,

509
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 4>you did leave one remaining, and this is your date.

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<v Speaker 4>And I want to tell you something about him, Cheryl.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a skydiver, so he's got a lot of nerve.

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00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:16.359
<v Speaker 4>He's in a motorcycle. He's also fine photographer. And say

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00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:24.200
<v Speaker 4>hello Rodney Alcalo. Rodney, God the hell I said, Rodney dinner?

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<v Speaker 4>But the one answer.

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<v Speaker 3>Such a creepy, sleazy fucker he is. Now, I'll leave

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<v Speaker 3>a link to the video showing all of this so

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00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:38.680
<v Speaker 3>you can see Cheryl and Rodney and Rodney's shitty grin

518
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<v Speaker 3>in his mane of hair, and his eyes, his eyes

519
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 3>are there's nothing there there. Yeah, you could tell.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who's playing. You mentioned an the contract in

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00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 1>the movie. You know who's playing.

522
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:51.799
<v Speaker 3>I've seen him, I mean i've seen a picture of him.

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00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 3>To me, doesn't look anything like Rodney Alcala. But I

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<v Speaker 3>can't think of his name.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, I mean I could look at it.

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00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:01.279
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it is of right this and recording this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not October eighteenth yet, it's the thirteenth, so I

528
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 3>haven't seen the movie yet, right. We could always come

529
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:10.680
<v Speaker 3>back and report on it in January.

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00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, as prize is for winning the dating game, paid

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00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:21.200
<v Speaker 3>to send Cheryl and Rodney for tennis lessons and for

533
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:26.079
<v Speaker 3>ridiculous looking matching tennis outfits and to Magic Mountain, a

534
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Speaker 3>theme park in California. Sadly, the couple would never take

535
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 3>those tennis lessons or visit Magic Mountain. We'll get into why,

536
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 3>and we're also going to get into Alcala's hideous crimes,

537
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 3>of course, but for now, let's take a look at

538
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:44.759
<v Speaker 3>his background. Was something there that could have foreshadowed this monster?

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00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Sorry, I didn't know. I guess you're wanted to know. Yeah,

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00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.519
<v Speaker 1>I did find them. It is your mom. Oh no,

541
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:55.759
<v Speaker 1>that's not right. His name is Daniel.

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00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 3>Daniel Silvato is playing Rodney Alcala.

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00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and he's been in things before. Funny enough, we

544
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>mentioned a movie of his in the last show. He

545
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<v Speaker 1>was in The Pope s Exionist. I think he plays

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00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.119
<v Speaker 1>one of the younger priests in that movie. Really, yeah,

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00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:13.519
<v Speaker 1>that's funny. Interesting, interesting connection. Okay, so now we know,

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00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.759
<v Speaker 1>but he's more about He's definitely not a big name.

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00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.319
<v Speaker 1>I definitely, I know I reckonize his face, but I

550
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.799
<v Speaker 1>don't know him offhand like that, not like Anna Kendrick.

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00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, m Yannndrick.

552
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's such a hard offer.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my celebrity free bree bo I get it now.

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<v Speaker 3>Rodney Alcala was born Rodrigo Jacques Alcala boukoor yikes on

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<v Speaker 3>August twenty third, nineteen forty three, in San Antonio, Texas.

556
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<v Speaker 1>Is that bottling bontu?

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00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.200
<v Speaker 3>No, the Rodney Alcola is definitely a fucking twist, cap

558
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:50.920
<v Speaker 3>oh nice. His parents were Raoul Alcala Bookor and Anna

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00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Maria Gutierres. In nineteen fifty one, Rodney Alcala moved with

560
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<v Speaker 3>his family to Mexico, and around nineteen fifty four out

561
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:04.680
<v Speaker 3>his father, Raoul abandoned his family, which led to Alkala

562
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.599
<v Speaker 3>and his brother's Alcal and his brother and two sisters.

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00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:09.640
<v Speaker 3>So he's got a brother and two sisters and his

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00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 3>mother moving to Los Angeles, California when he was only

565
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 3>twelve years old. His childhood was pretty uneventful from what

566
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 3>I can tell. No real warning signs to predict what

567
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.519
<v Speaker 3>he would become. And I've read too much about this asshole,

568
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 3>watched too many documentaries, and really there was nothing there

569
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.599
<v Speaker 3>that would have signaled this. This is someone other than

570
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.920
<v Speaker 3>the and the father, right, But that doesn't mean you're

571
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 3>going to grow up to be the rapist ciracular this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Was because so many of us are ab.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's not much on his parents either. I read

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<v Speaker 3>that his mother, Anna Maria, was incredibly hard working. She

575
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 3>did whatever she could to provide for her son and

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00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.839
<v Speaker 3>for the brother and the two sisters. It said his

577
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.960
<v Speaker 3>mother gave Rodney every opportunity to succeed, including sending him

578
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 3>to private schools bare So there's nothing tragic there. Really. Yeah,

579
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, a little father issue who doesn't have those,

580
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 3>that's it. But at the edge of seventeen, he joined

581
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:10.279
<v Speaker 3>the US Army and served as a clerk. But four

582
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.000
<v Speaker 3>years into his service he suffered what was likened to

583
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 3>a nervous breakdown, and he faced allegations of sexual misconduct,

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00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 3>and he was ultimately discharged from the army in nineteen

585
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:29.039
<v Speaker 3>sixty four after being diagnosed with severe antisocial personality disorder. Okay, now,

586
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 3>once side of the Army. Alcala enrolled in the UCLA

587
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:36.160
<v Speaker 3>School of Fine Arts and earned his Bachelor of Arts

588
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 3>degree in nineteen sixty eight. And it's in nineteen sixty eight,

589
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:44.799
<v Speaker 3>that's something in Alkala snaps or triggers. What triggered him,

590
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 3>we don't know. We know that in sixty eight Alcala

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00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 3>attempted to kill what we think was his first victim,

592
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.839
<v Speaker 3>an eight year old girl named Tali Shapiro, just a

593
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 3>fucking vicious, heinous crying. Were they're victims before Tali Shapiro?

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know. But from the details I'm about to

595
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.279
<v Speaker 3>give you about what Alcala did to the little Tally,

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00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 3>I find it hard to believe she was his first,

597
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.680
<v Speaker 3>Like he just decided out of nowhere to do what

598
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 3>he did to her. I just don't buy it. I

599
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:21.839
<v Speaker 3>think there were victims before this little girl.

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00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, on the morning of September twenty fifth, nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>Rodney Alcola pulled up to Tally as she was walking

603
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<v Speaker 3>to school on Sunset Boulevard. This is in Los Angeles.

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00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Of course, he tried to convince little Tally to get

605
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 3>into his car, but she refused, saying that she wasn't

606
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.359
<v Speaker 3>allowed to talk to strangers. Good for you, ever, the

607
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 3>smooth talker. In response, Alkala told Tally that he was

608
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<v Speaker 3>good friends with her family and that if she got

609
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 3>into his car, he'd show her a pretty picture. And sadly,

610
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:02.480
<v Speaker 3>this was enough to convince Tally to get into Alcala's

611
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 3>beige color sedan with no license plates, and according to

612
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 3>court testimony, getting into the car is the last thing

613
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:17.199
<v Speaker 3>Tali Shapiro remembers, thank God now as literally a heaven

614
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 3>sent miracle. A good samaritan who was also heading down

615
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Sunset saw this whole thing transpire. He saw a little

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00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 3>girl walking down Sunset Boulevard, He saw this beige car

617
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.119
<v Speaker 3>pull up to her, and then he witnessed the girl

618
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 3>getting into the vehicle. Thinking this was kind of odd,

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<v Speaker 3>the good samaritan called the police and proceeded to give

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00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.199
<v Speaker 3>a detailed description of Alcala and the vehicle. Now, some

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00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 3>articles I read say that the good samaritan actually followed

622
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Alcala's car. Either way, the police were able to quickly

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00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 3>locate Alcala's DeLong Pre Avenue apartment. When the police arrived

624
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 3>at Alcala's apartment door, they demanded to be let in.

625
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.760
<v Speaker 3>They're banging on the door, and Alcala peeked through the

626
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 3>door and said he couldn't let him in because he

627
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 3>was taking a shower. The cops gave him a few

628
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.440
<v Speaker 3>seconds to get his shit together, and when he didn't

629
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 3>come back to the door, they said fuck it and

630
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:14.440
<v Speaker 3>they kicked the door in, but Alcala, that slippery piece

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<v Speaker 3>of shit, had already escaped out the back door. Upon

632
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 3>entering the apartment, police found poor Tali Shapiro on the

633
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:26.760
<v Speaker 3>kitchen floor close to death. Now, remember this is an

634
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:32.559
<v Speaker 3>innocent eight year old girl. Tali was found naked, legs

635
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:35.400
<v Speaker 3>spread and lying in a puddle of her own blood.

636
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Alcala had beaten, raped, and nearly strangled Tolly to death

637
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:46.119
<v Speaker 3>with a ten pound metal bar. Now, thankfully, this incredibly strong,

638
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 3>brave little girl survived the most vicious attack imaginable, but

639
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 3>only after being in a coma for a month, and

640
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 3>after months of intense medical treatment following that coma. After

641
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Tali was well enough, her family moved out of the country.

642
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 3>And I don't blame him. This fact becomes important later

643
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:11.960
<v Speaker 3>and unfortunately leads to many more murders. Now I understand

644
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.480
<v Speaker 3>as we go through this. This guy, he was a traveler,

645
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 3>a wanderer. Alkala traveled from California to New York and

646
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 3>back again a number of times while he was an

647
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 3>active serial killer, stopping who knows where and doing who

648
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:33.159
<v Speaker 3>knows what across country. Killer. Now, when Alkala fled his

649
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.079
<v Speaker 3>apartment after brutalizing Tali Shapiro, he high tailed it to

650
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.400
<v Speaker 3>New York. And while he's in New York, Rodney Alcala

651
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 3>changed his name to John Berger. John Berger enrolled in

652
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 3>film school at NYU, and he even got to study

653
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 3>under none other than Roman Polanski.

654
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<v Speaker 1>Well not a little surprising, I guess.

655
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<v Speaker 3>Now, while studying at NYU, Alcoala is added to the

656
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 3>FBI's ten most wanted list for the attempted murder of

657
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:06.079
<v Speaker 3>Tali Shapiro. And I guess he began to feel the

658
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 3>heat in New York, was he? Because he quickly moved

659
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 3>to New Hampshire, where he again changed his name, but

660
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.559
<v Speaker 3>just a little bit. In New York, Alcala was John

661
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Berger b E r g e R. And when he

662
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 3>moves to New Hampshire, he's now John Berger b U

663
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.239
<v Speaker 3>r g e R. Like a fucking cheeseburger. Yeah, In

664
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 3>New Hampshire, Alcola or Cheeseburger gets a job as a

665
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 3>counselor at, of all places, a girls camp. This fucking guy,

666
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you can't make this ship up, Oscar.

667
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean well, I mean talk about our system being

668
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>slow to catch up with things.

669
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Jesus Christ there, wait, just wait.

670
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean the other the idea of him flying from

671
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 1>one to the other, assuming he flew from LA to

672
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 1>New York.

673
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.440
<v Speaker 3>He's he's he's pretty much driving it, driving it, which

674
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 3>is worse. That's worse for a guy like this.

675
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>It does seem worse, yes, but also like it feels

676
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 1>like well, I mean, compared to today flying you can't

677
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.800
<v Speaker 1>get away with not with your face, you.

678
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Know, Oh you should be caught in a second, in

679
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.440
<v Speaker 3>a second. Yeah. See, he gets a job at a

680
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.280
<v Speaker 3>fucking girls camp in New Hampshire. Cheeseburger does. Now, now

681
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:19.920
<v Speaker 3>this is great.

682
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:20.360
<v Speaker 4>Now.

683
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 3>A few girls from the camp noticed an FBI wanted

684
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.519
<v Speaker 3>poster tacked up at a post office what and they

685
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.800
<v Speaker 3>commented to each other that the man on the poster

686
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:32.719
<v Speaker 3>looks an awful lot like their creepy Cans camp counselor,

687
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.880
<v Speaker 3>mister Cheeseburger. Yeah, the girls notified authorities and Alcoho was

688
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.800
<v Speaker 3>apprehended and brought back to California to stand trial for

689
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Speaker 3>the abduction, rape, and attempted murder of Tillie Shapiro. Thank god. Right,

690
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 3>here's where the problem comes in.

691
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>I know exactly where you're going.

692
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Because the Shapiro family was out of the country and unavailable,

693
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:58.039
<v Speaker 3>there wasn't a primary witness to testify against Alcola. All

694
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.079
<v Speaker 3>the charges Alcala would have faced, which would have come

695
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.320
<v Speaker 3>with a lengthy prison term. He instead was offered a

696
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.840
<v Speaker 3>plea deal and pled down to a lesser charge of

697
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:14.199
<v Speaker 3>child molestation alcohol. Wound up spending only thirty four months

698
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.840
<v Speaker 3>in jail, and he had to register as a sex

699
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 3>vender thirty four months for what he did to that

700
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 3>poor kid. Yeah, so fucked up. So in less than

701
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.239
<v Speaker 3>three years, the animal was back out in the streets

702
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:26.480
<v Speaker 3>and hunting once again.

703
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I saw it come in. The second

704
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.639
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned yeah, my bad, Okay, the second you mentioned

705
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:38.039
<v Speaker 1>that they went out of town, well the country, not

706
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.159
<v Speaker 1>the country. Sorry, Yeah, I knew exactly what this was going.

707
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>And then this is nothing necessarily that I would It

708
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>is easy to blame the justice system. But when I

709
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:51.480
<v Speaker 1>here to do that right now? Yeah, it's super predictable there.

710
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.480
<v Speaker 1>For there was something you mentioned earlier. I'm trying to

711
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:00.000
<v Speaker 1>remember what it was before you got into the Little Girl,

712
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 1>which something about his upbringing. I had it a minute ago. Man,

713
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm losing it as I'm talking.

714
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.559
<v Speaker 3>It's late. It is late, and we just recorded the

715
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.199
<v Speaker 3>second Exor System right episode.

716
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 1>We're doing that double.

717
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 3>We're doing two for if he comes back, say hey,

718
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:26.519
<v Speaker 3>stupid stop, No, you're fine now. Alcohol's next victim was

719
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 3>a woman named Cornelia Cryley. Originally Alcoholo was only suspecting

720
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:36.119
<v Speaker 3>suspected of killing Criley in New York in nineteen seventy

721
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 3>one while he was on the run for the crimes

722
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:42.440
<v Speaker 3>he committed against Tali Shapiro. Criley was a twenty three

723
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 3>year old TWA flight attendant. Alcala brutally raped and strangled

724
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.320
<v Speaker 3>Cryley with a pair of her own pantyhose inside her

725
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Upper East Side apartment. When police found her, Criley was

726
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 3>lying naked and posed against an overturned bed, with the

727
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.679
<v Speaker 3>nylon stocking to strangle her still cinched around her neck.

728
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Cornelia's bra had been pulled up over her head, and

729
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:11.559
<v Speaker 3>Alcola had severely bitten her left breast. Alcolo was confirmed

730
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:15.440
<v Speaker 3>as Cryley's killer in twenty twelve. So for forty one years,

731
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 3>Cornelia Cryley's murder went unsolved. Wow, forty one fucking years.

732
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:25.679
<v Speaker 3>Imagine being their family and not knowing for forty one years.

733
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Imagine allowed them to make it through all that time.

734
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Probably the ones and then I remembered and.

735
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Not much is known about this next victim, but this

736
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.320
<v Speaker 3>one was lucky to get away. This one actually got away.

737
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 3>In California, in nineteen seventy four, while on parole for

738
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Talie Shapiro's molet station charges, Remember he was plied down

739
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 3>to a molestation, Alcolo was arrested for assaulting a thirteen

740
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.960
<v Speaker 3>year old girl referred to in court documents only as

741
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 3>Julie J. Julie J had accepted from Alcala what she

742
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.440
<v Speaker 3>thought was be a ride to school, very reminiscent of

743
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 3>Tarlie Shapiro. Instead, Alkoala attacked and sexually assaulted Julie J.

744
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.199
<v Speaker 3>He was caught and only spent two years in jail

745
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.159
<v Speaker 3>for these terrible offenses. Then he was back out on

746
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.559
<v Speaker 3>the prowl and unbelievably, his parole officer allowed him to

747
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:20.480
<v Speaker 3>travel back to New York in nineteen seventy seven.

748
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if that's a case of, like, you know,

749
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.840
<v Speaker 1>too much going on, like an overbearing amount of cases,

750
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing.

751
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if it was that.

752
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 1>I think Alkoala was charming that much charming at that

753
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of harmless.

754
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is a I don't know, I feel

755
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.280
<v Speaker 3>like killer were dealing with he could talk, right, buddy,

756
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean.

757
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.559
<v Speaker 1>I guess you're right. But also like and maybe this

758
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.679
<v Speaker 1>is me living in the current age, and I just

759
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.559
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like anyone will get away with that anymore,

760
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and just not to back then. But it does seem

761
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.880
<v Speaker 1>like when it comes to Convex in general, basically they've

762
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>been traying like shit all their lives in his country forever,

763
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>whether or not they're deserved, but especially they're deserve once.

764
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like when it comes to that, especially

765
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're a po officer or halfway house manager or whatever,

766
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you beat the rap sheet. You assign a judgment to

767
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that person by reading what they've done, what they're sentenced for,

768
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.800
<v Speaker 1>before their looks are charmed. You don't believe any bullshit

769
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna tell, are you? You know, everything they say

770
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:21.360
<v Speaker 1>is a lie. I feel like there's a there's a

771
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>disconnect there that I'm not understanding that I don't think

772
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 1>it's just the time.

773
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.719
<v Speaker 3>You're right, there is a disconnect, a huge disconnect, you

774
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying, because what follows, you know, is terrible, right,

775
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 3>you know, had he not been allowed to go back

776
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.679
<v Speaker 3>to New York at that point?

777
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Also, like you know, did you hear all these stories

778
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that are very very true today and must been must

779
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>have been true back then? That child moll the station

780
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.159
<v Speaker 1>doesn't go well with people or incarcerated.

781
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:46.679
<v Speaker 4>You know.

782
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 3>That's another great point that that too, he got off

783
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:50.840
<v Speaker 3>pretty easy, not getting fucking.

784
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Shanked pretty fucking easy twice.

785
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Dad's again, did was he turning up the

786
00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 3>charm in jail?

787
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.800
<v Speaker 1>What the fuck was he doing? I don't understand. Once

788
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.039
<v Speaker 1>he's yeah, que genius, doesn't mean he gets away with everything.

789
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 1>It just means he had a capacity I did not

790
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you know what I'm saying, If I if

791
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I see this guy in jail, in a jail cell,

792
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I automatically know he's an asshole. Convicted asshole felon and

793
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I know he melested a child. No way am I

794
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.039
<v Speaker 1>trust anything he says. How can he charm me from

795
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:17.440
<v Speaker 1>that point?

796
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:18.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

797
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand.

798
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.199
<v Speaker 3>I know it's rhetorical, but yeah, great point. And by

799
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 3>the way, you mentioned that you know how he looks,

800
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:26.119
<v Speaker 3>and I mentioned how he looks. Listeners, go to the

801
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:27.760
<v Speaker 3>show notes. I should have mentioned this at the top

802
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 3>of the show. All the victims I have pictures of,

803
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.440
<v Speaker 3>and I also have pictures of cheeseburger I'll as fuck.

804
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:36.480
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, go to the show notes. But no, that's

805
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.239
<v Speaker 3>a great point. How did he not get the shit

806
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.840
<v Speaker 3>kicked out of him in prison or killed for doing

807
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:41.360
<v Speaker 3>this stuff?

808
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Did he merely jon the Natzi gang in there or

809
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 1>who knows? Well he's actually Hispanics? Now maybe the other right.

810
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't work. No, I don't know, but yeah, it's

811
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 3>a great question. I don't know.

812
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:54.400
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

813
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So his pro officer lets him back to New York.

814
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.719
<v Speaker 3>So in New York in nineteen seventy seven, alcohol got

815
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:07.559
<v Speaker 3>right to it, killing a woman named Ellen Hoover. Ellen

816
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Hover now she was twenty three years old at the

817
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.039
<v Speaker 3>time of her death. On July fifteenth, nineteen seventy seven.

818
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 3>She was a comedy writer and an aspiring music conductor

819
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:21.519
<v Speaker 3>who disappeared after leaving her Manhattan apartment on July fifteenth,

820
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy seven. On the date she went missing, Ellen

821
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.239
<v Speaker 3>had written that she was to meet with someone named

822
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:33.119
<v Speaker 3>John Berger, a photographer, in her date book. That used

823
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:37.599
<v Speaker 3>to be a thing back then. Now I use Google

824
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Calendar for everything, but there used to be a date book.

825
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 3>So in her date book on that date she was

826
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 3>meeting with a photographer named John Berger. Fucking red flags

827
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.960
<v Speaker 3>right for us. And her friend said that this John

828
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Berger character had been pressuring Ellen to have lunch with them,

829
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.360
<v Speaker 3>so that's what she did. She left her apartment on

830
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:59.119
<v Speaker 3>July fifteenth, again, seventy seven, and she was never seen

831
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:04.199
<v Speaker 3>alive again. Eleven months later, Ellen's bones were found near

832
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:09.559
<v Speaker 3>Rockefeller Estates the grounds the Rockefeller Estate grounds. Alcohola liked

833
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.639
<v Speaker 3>to use the beautiful, vast Rockefeller Estate as a backdrop

834
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 3>for his photography sessions, so he is intimately familiar with

835
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.079
<v Speaker 3>the grounds and any potential hiding spots. When Ellen Hover's

836
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.519
<v Speaker 3>body was found, she was so badly decomposed that dental

837
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.960
<v Speaker 3>records were the only way to identify her. Now here's

838
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.559
<v Speaker 3>a twist, Ellen Hover, she wasn't a nobody. Yeah, her goddaughter.

839
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.239
<v Speaker 3>She was goddaughter of both Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Junior.

840
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 3>You're kidding that was their goddaughter.

841
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

842
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:46.039
<v Speaker 3>And her father owned an incredibly popular, probably the most

843
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:49.920
<v Speaker 3>popular nightclub in Hollywood at the time, a joint called Ciro's,

844
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 3>which Ellen was set to inherit. She was an heiress

845
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 3>to this vast kind of They were very wealthy and

846
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 3>she was going to inherit this nightclub and all that

847
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:02.559
<v Speaker 3>came with it. Baby. Yeah. And it wasn't until twenty

848
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 3>ten that Alcohola was confirmed to be Hovah's killed, Hoover's killer. Wow.

849
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.079
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't mean that the other women that were

850
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.800
<v Speaker 3>killed were nobody's right now, but she was a somebody. Clearly,

851
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.480
<v Speaker 3>she was a somebody and Samit Day was junior and

852
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Sami Day.

853
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:19.000
<v Speaker 1>No if anything barks and me when you mentioned that,

854
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not that you know that other victims are nobody

855
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 1>says more that I'm surprised that the the and maybe

856
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're about to say, how that the investigation didn't

857
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.679
<v Speaker 1>get kicked up a notch because of the celebrity status connection.

858
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

859
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it was Front page News also.

860
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, police, you know usually that's the thing that was

861
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.800
<v Speaker 1>involved that kicks this off to one hundred famous infamy.

862
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:48.800
<v Speaker 1>They didn't catch them, right, but they didn't catch them.

863
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, front page News. Hover was for sure now. Alcola's

864
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 3>next victim was a woman named Jill Barkham. Barkham was

865
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.639
<v Speaker 3>eighteen years old at the time of her death. She

866
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.320
<v Speaker 3>was an New York transplant who moved to la with

867
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Speaker 3>aspirations of becoming a Hollywood actress. How many times we've

868
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 3>heard that story. And she was a small thing, barely

869
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:13.119
<v Speaker 3>five feet tall, had less than one hundred pounds. Jill

870
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.239
<v Speaker 3>disappeared from Sunset Boulevard and her body was found on

871
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 3>a service road off Mulholland Drive near Marlon Brando's house

872
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.599
<v Speaker 3>actually in the Hollywood Hills, on November tenth, nineteen seventy seven.

873
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:30.000
<v Speaker 3>She had been raped, sodomized, her face bashed in with

874
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 3>a rock, and she'd been strangled three times with belt,

875
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 3>with her pantyhose and with one of her pant legs,

876
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.199
<v Speaker 3>and she had been posed on her knees with her

877
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 3>face in the dirt. Alcolo was charged with Jill's murder

878
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:50.400
<v Speaker 3>through DNA evidence. So this guy, he was a fucking maniac,

879
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:51.440
<v Speaker 3>just a maniac.

880
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 1>So I assume that they know they she got found

881
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:57.280
<v Speaker 1>out to his house because he used three different implements.

882
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and this.

883
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Will come up again soon.

884
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if the implements were still around her

885
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:08.239
<v Speaker 3>neck that wasn't disclosed, or whether they were kind of

886
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:09.559
<v Speaker 3>strewn around the body.

887
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's patterns to it that you can tell.

888
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh, oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, he's got an mo for sure.

889
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying. I wonder if he had just used

890
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>his hands, could they have told could they be would

891
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.880
<v Speaker 1>they be able to tell that he strangled his victims

892
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:23.639
<v Speaker 1>multiple times?

893
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh? I don't know.

894
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.360
<v Speaker 1>I can you tell that? I'm sure maybe now you

895
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.840
<v Speaker 1>can with our modern sciences.

896
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.239
<v Speaker 3>But no, that's true. Yeah back then, I don't know.

897
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

898
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:33.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious, which makes.

899
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:34.360
<v Speaker 3>Me think that's why they knew, because that shit was

900
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:36.559
<v Speaker 3>either still around her neck or it was strewn around

901
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:38.920
<v Speaker 3>the body, and there could have been ligature marks that

902
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 3>were of differing widths, or.

903
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Do they mention at all if these items were broken,

904
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:52.039
<v Speaker 1>they didn't because it's possible that he strangled this victim

905
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe at least more than those three times, because and

906
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.559
<v Speaker 1>then used a different item after it broke, which meaning

907
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.480
<v Speaker 1>that he could have used an item more than once,

908
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:04.079
<v Speaker 1>like in the middle of the second time.

909
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:05.519
<v Speaker 3>He did have that thing where he liked to choke

910
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 3>him to the point of death, then.

911
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.239
<v Speaker 1>He's prolonging that he may he's making that emotion multiple

912
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:13.119
<v Speaker 1>times with one person, right, yes, whereas a lot of

913
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.320
<v Speaker 1>other strangulations just a one and done. I wonder if

914
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.280
<v Speaker 1>he's using the panty host first, right, let's her go

915
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.880
<v Speaker 1>breathe come back down. It breaks on the second time

916
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:24.840
<v Speaker 1>he uses a different thing, you know what I'm saying.

917
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's more than three.

918
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 3>It could be, right, Well, this guy.

919
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Depending on how their forensics were able to tell at all,

920
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 1>how how this vectorm was strangled, right, I don't know

921
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 1>how they had it.

922
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, the technology certainly wasn't there back then, right, you know,

923
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:42.519
<v Speaker 3>because a lot of these cases aren't being closed until

924
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.360
<v Speaker 3>the you know, twenty tens and higher.

925
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, is that when they found out about her,

926
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

927
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.519
<v Speaker 3>Write a date on that. I apologize, Well, it was

928
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:53.599
<v Speaker 3>through DNA evidence so I'm assuming.

929
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:57.800
<v Speaker 1>It has to be after that because then, okay, Now, on.

930
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:01.800
<v Speaker 3>June twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, Alkala murdered thirty two

931
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 3>year old Charlotte Lamb. Lamb was found posed again this

932
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.159
<v Speaker 3>is one of his emos, in the laundry room of

933
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:13.119
<v Speaker 3>a large apartment complex in El Segunda, California. She had

934
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Speaker 3>been raped, beaten, and strangled to death with a shoelace.

935
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 3>She was found with her arms behind her, bound behind her,

936
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.320
<v Speaker 3>and bite marks on one of her breasts. Once again,

937
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:30.079
<v Speaker 3>DNA linked Alcala to Charlotte Lamb. Now for one of

938
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.039
<v Speaker 3>the most interesting things about this case, during all this

939
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.639
<v Speaker 3>murder in Mayhem and less than three months after killing

940
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Charlotte Lamb, so he's already a fucking rapist, child rapist,

941
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:44.920
<v Speaker 3>and he's a multi multiple murderer. At this point, Rodney

942
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Alcoa had the balls to appear on the Gate dating

943
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 3>game television show. Like I said on September thirteenth, nineteen

944
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.320
<v Speaker 3>seventy eight. Now, up to this point, from what we know,

945
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Alcala has killed at least two women, attempted to kill

946
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:02.599
<v Speaker 3>one child, and is spect in two murders and the

947
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Jay was it Julie j a rapist as well. He's

948
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:11.960
<v Speaker 3>also been in prison multiple times for offenses ranging from

949
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:17.039
<v Speaker 3>child molestation, drug possession, parole violation, providing drugs to a minor,

950
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:21.079
<v Speaker 3>and assault. I mean, a real gold star here. If

951
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.760
<v Speaker 3>the producers on The Dating Game just took a peek

952
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 3>into this clowns background, we're talking literally a surface level look,

953
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 3>they would have seen that he was an animal, and

954
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:34.280
<v Speaker 3>he would have never been led onto the show.

955
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is what the internet would have been used?

956
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.400
<v Speaker 3>Or would he remember Rodney Alcala? He was attractive. He

957
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 3>was an intelligent guy with a huge, pearly white smile,

958
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:50.960
<v Speaker 3>tanned skin, a supposedly lucrative career as a fashion photographer

959
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 3>who also liked extreme sports like parachuting and motorbiking. A

960
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.880
<v Speaker 3>guy like that great for ratings. So who knows what

961
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:04.920
<v Speaker 3>the Game Dating Game's attentions really were. Maybe they did

962
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:06.880
<v Speaker 3>look into his background and said, ah, he's too good,

963
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 3>we got to get this guy on camera. I don't know,

964
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I can't say that for.

965
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Sure right now. And also those people are long gone

966
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.760
<v Speaker 1>and like they still have those jobs to worry about it, right, yeah? Right,

967
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I assume so I hope. So anyway, if you're still

968
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.920
<v Speaker 1>in that job, you know, old TV producer, I'm sorry

969
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 1>for you. I yeah, see the more you tell these

970
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:28.360
<v Speaker 1>details of the story, when we talk about the prison stuff,

971
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.320
<v Speaker 1>when we talk about how he gets people like I

972
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:33.599
<v Speaker 1>get how he gets the victims, the charm of that

973
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 1>with the women that I get. This charm makes sense

974
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 1>when his life is dedicated to just getting his next

975
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking strangulation. He tries his hardest, but when it comes

976
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.679
<v Speaker 1>to these things like the TV producer angle, the prison

977
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.400
<v Speaker 1>thing we mentioned, seems to me like it's easier to

978
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:56.639
<v Speaker 1>just attribute a lot of his success to his smarts

979
00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 1>and his looks. And it's easy to go there. And

980
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it works for some stuff, but it can't

981
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:05.800
<v Speaker 1>be for everything. And I don't know how that game

982
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:09.320
<v Speaker 1>show thing is the producer's faults.

983
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:13.760
<v Speaker 3>And if something well.

984
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 1>There's no man ach arm. He could have done his

985
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:16.760
<v Speaker 1>way in there.

986
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 4>You know.

987
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:19.880
<v Speaker 1>It almost seems like he did it on the lark

988
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.519
<v Speaker 1>and he got in and like on my end, I'll

989
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.960
<v Speaker 1>do it right. It almost seems like that, yeah, yeah,

990
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:28.360
<v Speaker 1>like someone dared him.

991
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know, but the Bachelorette that starred

992
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.440
<v Speaker 3>in that episode with Alcohola, the one Anna Kendrick is

993
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:38.920
<v Speaker 3>playing in Woman of the Hour, and that voice you

994
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:40.559
<v Speaker 3>heard at the top of the show when we played

995
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.400
<v Speaker 3>that clip, the woman asking questions that Ryl Bradshaw. Bradshaw

996
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.400
<v Speaker 3>was an attractive bond with this bubbly personality, and she

997
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:53.400
<v Speaker 3>wore a revealing low cut top on the show, exposing

998
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:56.800
<v Speaker 3>her ample cleavage, which we know he likes, and he

999
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.960
<v Speaker 3>does and ultimately and so do I. Ultimately, as you know,

1000
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 3>as you know, Bradshaw chose Alcala as the one she

1001
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.320
<v Speaker 3>would like to go on a date with. And if

1002
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:09.239
<v Speaker 3>you follow that link in the show notes, you could

1003
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:13.760
<v Speaker 3>see the newly joined couple hugging each other and shooting

1004
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.920
<v Speaker 3>these big, cheesy grins to the cameras. Outwardly on camera,

1005
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:22.159
<v Speaker 3>both contestants seemed really happy with each other until they

1006
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:27.360
<v Speaker 3>were backstage alone after the show. Cheryl Bradshaw immediately began

1007
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:31.559
<v Speaker 3>feeling uneasy around Alcola. She didn't like being alone with them,

1008
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 3>and she said he was acting creepy. She said Alcohola

1009
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 3>tried to smooth talker, promising her a date she'd never forget,

1010
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Bradshaw sen said when she began to fish she began

1011
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:47.760
<v Speaker 3>to feel really ill, sick, physically sick, and really uneasy

1012
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:52.360
<v Speaker 3>being an Alcala's presence with her internal alarm bells blaring,

1013
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.519
<v Speaker 3>Bradshaw decided to reject Alcohala's promise for a date she'd

1014
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.920
<v Speaker 3>never forget, and she sided to Ditchum, having absolutely no

1015
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 3>idea at how close she came to being likely brutally murdered.

1016
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:12.400
<v Speaker 3>So fate intervened and the two never went out, and

1017
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:16.400
<v Speaker 3>they never saw each other again. But just think what

1018
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.639
<v Speaker 3>this kind of rejection would have done to a person

1019
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:24.360
<v Speaker 3>like Alkala mentally. Authorities do feel that Cheryl Bradshaw's rejection

1020
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:27.599
<v Speaker 3>led to the next string of violent murders we're going

1021
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:28.199
<v Speaker 3>to talk about.

1022
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh see, I don't know you were going with that.

1023
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I wonder, and maybe you're gonna

1024
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.559
<v Speaker 1>get to this later. I wonder if she has said

1025
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.239
<v Speaker 1>anything after alcohol was captured.

1026
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:44.079
<v Speaker 3>Dude, it's so hard to find anything on Cheryl Bradshaw.

1027
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh Man quotes where she at today. That's why I

1028
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:51.039
<v Speaker 3>can't kind of wait to see this movie, and I

1029
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.320
<v Speaker 3>want to know where she because I've searched, I can't

1030
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 3>find shit about her.

1031
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, it doesn't mean that she doesn't either.

1032
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:57.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1033
00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 1>It's a movie. They're going to make it up.

1034
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:01.920
<v Speaker 3>They probably have better research, and I am, but I

1035
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 3>couldn't find shit.

1036
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:04.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean saying they could just make it up, saying

1037
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:05.360
<v Speaker 1>it's a movie.

1038
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:06.599
<v Speaker 3>But oh, I got you.

1039
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:07.360
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna make up?

1040
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:08.960
<v Speaker 3>What if I see if it's really true?

1041
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1042
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:09.920
<v Speaker 3>I got you.

1043
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I'm saying. They don't. They probably

1044
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 1>haven't talked to you, Shay Broshaw either, but you think

1045
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 1>probably not.

1046
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:16.280
<v Speaker 3>I would hope they would have.

1047
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Nah.

1048
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Frankly, I don't even know if she's alive. I'm

1049
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:20.480
<v Speaker 3>hoping she I'm assuming she is.

1050
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's well within the age to be alive.

1051
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:26.800
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, but I'm just that's my first quest. Obviously,

1052
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:28.320
<v Speaker 1>you don't have an answer that I don't. Yeah, I

1053
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.239
<v Speaker 1>can tell you. Yeah, that sucks for you. But yeah,

1054
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.079
<v Speaker 1>my first question would be, like, did anybody follow up

1055
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 1>on an interview with her?

1056
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's almost like after this, she just got

1057
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:42.000
<v Speaker 3>ghost Yeah nothing, Yeah, maybe she was that scared.

1058
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

1059
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but you're right, it bothers me. I

1060
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:45.599
<v Speaker 3>do want to know.

1061
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she seems pretty like sharp instinctively. Why she

1062
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 1>follow that instinct watching to follow it again? Like why

1063
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:53.480
<v Speaker 1>even pursue any kind of limelight or whatever. She's only

1064
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:55.519
<v Speaker 1>can be chased and follow it can only be negative

1065
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:59.360
<v Speaker 1>for her. Might as well just immediately get out of

1066
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:01.559
<v Speaker 1>the spotlight, disappear as soon as you found out, Like

1067
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:02.079
<v Speaker 1>why even?

1068
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean they say women's intuition, it's a real thing. Yeah,

1069
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:12.000
<v Speaker 3>and she didn't even I mean, this is backstage. This

1070
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:14.159
<v Speaker 3>isn't a month down the line when they're out alone,

1071
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, in his car parked somewhere. This is fucking

1072
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:19.360
<v Speaker 3>behind stage of the dating games. She got it, She

1073
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.360
<v Speaker 3>felt it. She was right because just three months after

1074
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:26.760
<v Speaker 3>appearing on the Dating Game and facing rejection by Ryl Bradshaw,

1075
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Rodney Alcala claimed his next victim. Twenty seven year old

1076
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 3>Georgia Wicksted Wicksted, a nurse, was found murdered in her

1077
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:40.719
<v Speaker 3>Malibu home, California, of course, December sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven.

1078
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:45.719
<v Speaker 3>She had been raped, sodomized, sexually abused with a hammer

1079
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:50.000
<v Speaker 3>which mutilated her genitals. Then the claw end of the

1080
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.880
<v Speaker 3>hammer was used to bash her head in, and she

1081
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.440
<v Speaker 3>was also strangled with her own nylons as if everything

1082
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:59.599
<v Speaker 3>else wasn't enough. DNA evidence and a handprint found at

1083
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:05.719
<v Speaker 3>the scene matched Alcala's next Alkala murdered twenty one year

1084
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:11.440
<v Speaker 3>old Jill Parento. Parento, a computer programmer, was found raped

1085
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.599
<v Speaker 3>and strangled to death in her apartment in Burbank, California,

1086
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:19.440
<v Speaker 3>on June fourteenth, nineteen seventy nine. She was found naked

1087
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:23.039
<v Speaker 3>on her bathroom floor, posed with pillows under her shoulders.

1088
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:28.719
<v Speaker 3>She had been sexually assaulted, beaten, and strangled. Blood was

1089
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.519
<v Speaker 3>found at the scene matching that of three percent of

1090
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:35.320
<v Speaker 3>the population, which did not rule out or confirm Rodney

1091
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:41.679
<v Speaker 3>Alcala as the killer. However, Jill Parento's friend, Catherine Bryant

1092
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.079
<v Speaker 3>testified that she and Jill had met Alkala at a

1093
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.880
<v Speaker 3>club several times, and Alkalo would ultimately be charged in

1094
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:55.719
<v Speaker 3>Jill Parento's death. Okay, now, this next murder, this is

1095
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:59.679
<v Speaker 3>the one that finally nailed Rodney Alcala. In Long Beach,

1096
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.199
<v Speaker 3>calif on June twentieth, nineteen seventy nine, Alcala murdered twelve

1097
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:08.440
<v Speaker 3>year old twelve years old Robin Samso.

1098
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Robin Boy or Robin Girl, A girl. I assume girl

1099
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:12.800
<v Speaker 1>but just making sure no.

1100
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:16.119
<v Speaker 3>No, you're right. No at the point name, she's twelve

1101
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:16.760
<v Speaker 3>years old man.

1102
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:16.880
<v Speaker 4>So.

1103
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.800
<v Speaker 3>On June twentieth, nineteen seventy nine, Robin was set to

1104
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:24.559
<v Speaker 3>start a job answering phones at a local ballet studio

1105
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:29.159
<v Speaker 3>in exchange for a ballet lessons It's so sad, dude.

1106
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:33.199
<v Speaker 3>Before starting her first day at work, earlier in the day, Robin,

1107
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:37.440
<v Speaker 3>along with her friend Bridget Wilvert, decided to go to beach,

1108
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:41.119
<v Speaker 3>and there Robin and Bridget were approached by a man

1109
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:44.079
<v Speaker 3>with long, dark hair who asked if he could take

1110
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:48.039
<v Speaker 3>their picture. The girls agreed, but at the same time,

1111
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:53.199
<v Speaker 3>one of Bridget's Robin's friend, one of Bridget's neighbors, ran up,

1112
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:57.159
<v Speaker 3>this woman named Jappie Jackie Young, and she because she

1113
01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:59.440
<v Speaker 3>witnessed this man talking to the little girls, and she

1114
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.360
<v Speaker 3>approached there and she said, hey, is everything okay? You

1115
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:05.920
<v Speaker 3>guys all right? And at that the man, who of

1116
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:09.119
<v Speaker 3>course was Rodney Alcala, he put his head down and

1117
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:13.960
<v Speaker 3>he turned and he walked away fast, and Robin and

1118
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Bridget then decided to leave that beach. But Robin never

1119
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:20.719
<v Speaker 3>made it to work at that ballet school. In fact,

1120
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:23.159
<v Speaker 3>that was the last time anyone ever saw Robin alive.

1121
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:28.519
<v Speaker 3>Twelve days later, on July second, nineteen seventy nine, a

1122
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:33.119
<v Speaker 3>film crew found I'm sorry. A fire crew found the

1123
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:37.320
<v Speaker 3>badly decomposing body of a child in California's Sierra Madre

1124
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:42.199
<v Speaker 3>Foothills near Monterey Park. Animals had done a number on

1125
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.280
<v Speaker 3>the poor child's body. As there was nothing but scattered

1126
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.760
<v Speaker 3>bones left. It took three days to identify the body.

1127
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.599
<v Speaker 3>It was Robin Samso Alcala didn't get her at the beach.

1128
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:57.719
<v Speaker 3>He waited, and he got her while she was riding

1129
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:02.920
<v Speaker 3>a bike to that ballet school. Now, luckily, Bridget Wolvert,

1130
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:05.480
<v Speaker 3>the friend, was able to give a description to the

1131
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 3>police of the man who offered to take their pictures

1132
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:12.119
<v Speaker 3>at the beach. The description led to a composite sketch,

1133
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:17.280
<v Speaker 3>and that composite sketch very much looked like Rodney Alcala. Now,

1134
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:19.400
<v Speaker 3>I left this composite sketch in the show notes so

1135
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.400
<v Speaker 3>you can see it for yourself. It's pretty remarkable how

1136
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:26.079
<v Speaker 3>accurate this sketch is. Twelve year old Bridget did a

1137
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:31.559
<v Speaker 3>great job at describing Alcala. The sketch was released and

1138
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:35.039
<v Speaker 3>Alcala's parole officer saw it. He then called the cops

1139
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:38.480
<v Speaker 3>and said, you know what, that sketch looks an awful

1140
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:41.360
<v Speaker 3>lot like this guy I have in my caseload. You

1141
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.480
<v Speaker 3>really need to go check him out. Police took the

1142
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:49.000
<v Speaker 3>advice and quickly tracked Alcala down. Turns out he was

1143
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:52.039
<v Speaker 3>living with his mother very near where he dumped Robin's

1144
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:56.920
<v Speaker 3>body in Monterey Park. This guy's such a loser. Alcola

1145
01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:59.800
<v Speaker 3>could not provide an alibi for his whereabouts during the

1146
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.239
<v Speaker 3>time I'm in question, so on July twenty fourth, nineteen

1147
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.199
<v Speaker 3>seventy nine, Rodney Alkoo was arrested for the kidnap and

1148
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:09.320
<v Speaker 3>murder of Robin Samso and he never saw the lighted

1149
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:15.079
<v Speaker 3>day again. Now for killing Robin Samso, Alcala received the

1150
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:19.679
<v Speaker 3>death sentence in nineteen eighty Yay, But we know that

1151
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Alcala had been slippery before when he served such a

1152
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:27.079
<v Speaker 3>ridiculously light sentence for its violent crimes against Tali Shapiro

1153
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.559
<v Speaker 3>because the Shapiro family was out of the country during

1154
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:35.320
<v Speaker 3>his trial. Here too, with Robin SAMSO's trial, Alkalo was

1155
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:39.559
<v Speaker 3>slippery once again. I guess terrible people can have good luck.

1156
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Six years after his death sentence for killing Samso So

1157
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:48.039
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen eighty six, it was decided that scumbag Alcala

1158
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:51.880
<v Speaker 3>had received an unfair trial. His legal team argued that

1159
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:55.519
<v Speaker 3>the jury had been improperly told about Alcala's past sex crimes,

1160
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:59.960
<v Speaker 3>including the attack on Tali Shapiro, which clouded their judgment,

1161
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.559
<v Speaker 3>which lat led to an unfair verdict and therefore his

1162
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:07.960
<v Speaker 3>death sentence was overturned. A second trial for the kidnapping

1163
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:11.360
<v Speaker 3>and murder of Robin Samso was held, in which Robin's mother,

1164
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:16.119
<v Speaker 3>Marianne Conley had to testify and face Alcala again. She

1165
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:18.639
<v Speaker 3>did in the first trial. Now she's facing her child's

1166
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.599
<v Speaker 3>killer again in the second trial. Now it was later

1167
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:25.400
<v Speaker 3>discovered that Marianne, Robin's mother, brought a twenty five caliber

1168
01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:28.320
<v Speaker 3>pistol to the trial. She was going to murder Alcala,

1169
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 3>but ultimately decided against it. Now, thankfully, just justice system

1170
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:37.119
<v Speaker 3>work and Alkalo was found guilty a second time and

1171
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:41.440
<v Speaker 3>was served another death sentence. Now that a second judgment

1172
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:45.159
<v Speaker 3>had been handed down, with another death sentence, Rodney Alcala

1173
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.000
<v Speaker 3>had the right to appeal, and of course he did

1174
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:52.280
<v Speaker 3>through working appeals and the justice system in two thousand

1175
01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:56.559
<v Speaker 3>and one, So twenty two years after he murdered Robin Samso,

1176
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:01.440
<v Speaker 3>a federal court of appeals overturned Alcala's death sentence again,

1177
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:05.679
<v Speaker 3>now for the second time, based on Alcala's claim that

1178
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.760
<v Speaker 3>he had evidence that would prove his innocence, but he

1179
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:11.679
<v Speaker 3>never got a chance to present it in court. This

1180
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:15.280
<v Speaker 3>fucker was about to get off, But while Alcala's third

1181
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:19.559
<v Speaker 3>trial was underway, police were working hard in the background.

1182
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:24.639
<v Speaker 3>It's during this time police figured out through patterns, fingerprints,

1183
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:29.199
<v Speaker 3>bite marks, and DNA that Alcala had in fact murdered

1184
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:34.559
<v Speaker 3>Joe Barkham, Georgia Wicksted, and Charlotte Lamb. They also linked

1185
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:38.880
<v Speaker 3>the murder of Joe Parento to him as well. Now

1186
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:42.519
<v Speaker 3>the police could prove Alkala was the serial murderer they

1187
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:46.440
<v Speaker 3>always thought him to be. In a hail Mary play.

1188
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:51.039
<v Speaker 3>For Alkali's third trial, California prosecutors decided to try him

1189
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:57.400
<v Speaker 3>for all five murders at once, that's Barkum, Wicksted, Lamb, Parento,

1190
01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:03.519
<v Speaker 3>and Robin Samso. In this trial, Alcala acted as his

1191
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:07.519
<v Speaker 3>own attorney, really asking himself questions in the third person

1192
01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:11.920
<v Speaker 3>and answering himself in a much lower, creepy voice, just

1193
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:16.159
<v Speaker 3>a circus show. He even called Robin SAMSO's mother to

1194
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:20.760
<v Speaker 3>the stand. Could you imagine being that mother being questioned

1195
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:25.559
<v Speaker 3>in open court by your own daughter's murderer. The ball's

1196
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:27.559
<v Speaker 3>on this now. The third time around, there was a

1197
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:33.400
<v Speaker 3>star witness, a specter from Alcala's past, Tali Shapiro. Tali

1198
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:37.000
<v Speaker 3>captivated the jurors by recounting her harrowing story from back

1199
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:41.440
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen sixty nine, what she could remember anyway, and

1200
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 3>on February twenty fifth, twenty ten, the jury found Alcala

1201
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:49.360
<v Speaker 3>guilty on all five counts of capital murder, along with

1202
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:52.440
<v Speaker 3>one count of kidnapping and four counts of rape. Good

1203
01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:56.480
<v Speaker 3>fuck this guy. The jury handed him another death sentence.

1204
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:01.480
<v Speaker 3>The judge agreed, and this time it stuck. Alkala was

1205
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:04.079
<v Speaker 3>sent to death row at San Quentin and then to

1206
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:08.079
<v Speaker 3>California State Prison Cochrane, the same prison where Charles Manson

1207
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:11.320
<v Speaker 3>was housed, and that's where his ass sat up until

1208
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.920
<v Speaker 3>his death on July twenty fourth, twenty twenty one, from

1209
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:19.679
<v Speaker 3>quote unspecified natural causes. He was seventy seven years old,

1210
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:23.760
<v Speaker 3>and good writtens to that piece of shit. But this

1211
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:27.639
<v Speaker 3>isn't the end of the story. In twenty ten, police

1212
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:31.639
<v Speaker 3>released online a cash of over one hundred photos of men, women,

1213
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:37.320
<v Speaker 3>and children seen as possible victims of Rodney Alcala. Shortly

1214
01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:40.679
<v Speaker 3>after his final arrest on July twenty fourth, nineteen seventy nine,

1215
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.280
<v Speaker 3>for the kidnapping and murder of Robin Samso. While he

1216
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:47.760
<v Speaker 3>was in jail, Alkala fucked up. You see, his sister

1217
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:50.480
<v Speaker 3>came to see him, and while Alcala and his sister

1218
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:53.320
<v Speaker 3>were visiting with each other, he told her about a

1219
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:56.880
<v Speaker 3>storage locker he kept in Seattle, and he begged her

1220
01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:00.159
<v Speaker 3>go to the locker, clean it out, get rid of everything.

1221
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:05.400
<v Speaker 3>But little did Alkala know this entire conversation was being recorded.

1222
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:09.119
<v Speaker 3>The police now had a hot tip, and actually, while

1223
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:11.639
<v Speaker 3>the police were searching his mother's house where Alkala was

1224
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:14.800
<v Speaker 3>staying when he murdered Robin Samso, they found a receipt

1225
01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:18.640
<v Speaker 3>for that storage locker in Seattle. Now, the contents of

1226
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:21.800
<v Speaker 3>this locker is what's keeping the Alkala story alive to

1227
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:24.960
<v Speaker 3>this day and the new movie, of course, and what

1228
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:28.239
<v Speaker 3>leads investigators to believe his actual murder count is much

1229
01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:30.239
<v Speaker 3>much higher than what he's charged for.

1230
01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Now we're getting there.

1231
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Inside this Seattle storage locker, police found somewhere around a

1232
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:41.079
<v Speaker 3>thousand highly suggestive and pornographic photos of mostly women and

1233
01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:44.439
<v Speaker 3>young girls and some little kids and a few men,

1234
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:47.520
<v Speaker 3>which Alcala had taken over the years. He was posing

1235
01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:50.359
<v Speaker 3>as this fashion photographer, so.

1236
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:53.279
<v Speaker 1>He took these personally. Oh yeah, oh my god.

1237
01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:57.279
<v Speaker 3>He was mad active, I mean, this was his thing. Now.

1238
01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Also in the storage locker, underneath all these illicit photos,

1239
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:03.840
<v Speaker 3>police found a silk bag, this little silk bag filled

1240
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:08.079
<v Speaker 3>of earrings. He was keeping trophies on. One set of

1241
01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:11.840
<v Speaker 3>earrings was later proven to belong to Robin Samso, and

1242
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:16.000
<v Speaker 3>a second pair of earrings with tiny roses would years

1243
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 3>later reveal Charlotte Lamb's DNA. They got this guy, I

1244
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:23.960
<v Speaker 3>mean lockstock Enberrel And of course Lamb was the woman

1245
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:27.199
<v Speaker 3>found murdered and posed in her apartment complex's laundry room

1246
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:30.800
<v Speaker 3>in Al Sagundo, California, back in seventy eight. Now, the

1247
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:34.720
<v Speaker 3>photos that could be released online are out there right now,

1248
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:37.119
<v Speaker 3>and they're available to view, and I'll leave a link

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<v Speaker 3>in the show notes to these photos. Now, listeners, please

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01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.520
<v Speaker 3>check out the pictures and don't worry. It's nothing that'll

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01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:48.479
<v Speaker 3>give you nightmares. Pg. Thirteen. At best, police hope that

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01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:51.520
<v Speaker 3>by putting these photos online, someone will recognize a friend

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01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:55.039
<v Speaker 3>or a loved one and alert authorities to that person's

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01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:57.520
<v Speaker 3>current status. Are they alive, are they dead? Are they

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01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:03.720
<v Speaker 3>in order to help identi possible additional victims. Now, of course,

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01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:07.319
<v Speaker 3>Alcola didn't keep detailed records and the photos are decades

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01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.079
<v Speaker 3>old from the seventies, mostly so the people in the

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01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:13.920
<v Speaker 3>pictures are really lost to time. No names, no locations,

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01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:17.920
<v Speaker 3>nothing now. So far, twenty two women have been identified

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01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:21.600
<v Speaker 3>since the pictures were posted, and thankfully, twenty one of

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01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:26.199
<v Speaker 3>those women are still alive. But unfortunately, a woman named

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01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Kathy Thornton saw her missing sister among the online photos.

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01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:37.119
<v Speaker 3>Through working with police and mitochondrial DNA evidence, Kathy Thornton

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01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:41.079
<v Speaker 3>discovered that Alkala did in fact kill her sister, Christine Thornton,

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01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:46.079
<v Speaker 3>in Wyoming in nineteen seventy seven. Christine Thornton was six

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01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:49.640
<v Speaker 3>months pregnant at the time of her murder. So the

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01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:52.880
<v Speaker 3>photos do work and they have revealed an additional victim.

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01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.359
<v Speaker 3>Who knows how many people this animal really killed? Remember

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01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:00.560
<v Speaker 3>he was a traveler. Now again, there's a link to

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01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.720
<v Speaker 3>the photos in the show notes, do you recognize any

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01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:07.119
<v Speaker 3>of these people? If you have information about anyone in

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01:11:07.159 --> 01:11:11.239
<v Speaker 3>the photos, police asks that you contact Sergeant Sam Shepherd

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01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:16.640
<v Speaker 3>with the Huntington Police Huntington Beach Police Department at seven

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<v Speaker 3>one four, five three six, five nine four seven. That's

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01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:23.640
<v Speaker 3>Sam Shepherd seven one four, five three six, five nine

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01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:26.359
<v Speaker 3>four seven. Take a look at the photos. See if

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01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:30.079
<v Speaker 3>you know anybody. It's fucked up. So that's how they

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01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:33.399
<v Speaker 3>get that big gap. He's got his confirmed kills, and

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01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:35.199
<v Speaker 3>then this and and.

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01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:38.479
<v Speaker 1>Now they discover that this archive is not filled with

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01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:41.600
<v Speaker 1>just dead women or dead victims, because a lot of

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01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:43.760
<v Speaker 1>these are alive. So yeah, yeah, so he played up

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01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.319
<v Speaker 1>his role just to probably make money move on. Maybe

1284
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't find the right opportunity at most of these places

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01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:52.039
<v Speaker 1>as well. You think of that, maybe they come with

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01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:53.479
<v Speaker 1>chaperones and it's too hard.

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01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:58.079
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, well that's funny because this last one, Christine Thornton,

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01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:00.000
<v Speaker 3>the one who was six months pregnant at the time. Yeah,

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01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:03.119
<v Speaker 3>she was kind of a wanderer, kind of a loose

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01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:05.920
<v Speaker 3>spirit if you will. Her sister said sure, And she

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01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:08.880
<v Speaker 3>was with a man who was abusing her and somehow

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01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:14.520
<v Speaker 3>during travels Christine's and Rodney's travels. They met, Christine dumbed

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01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:16.920
<v Speaker 3>her abusive boyfriend and wound up kind of traveling around

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01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:21.600
<v Speaker 3>with Rodney. And the picture her sister saw online is

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01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:25.199
<v Speaker 3>of Christine on a motorcycle. She's got a big smile

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01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:28.319
<v Speaker 3>on her face. She looked good. Yeah, you know, she

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01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:32.039
<v Speaker 3>just happened to not know who this person she happened

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01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:35.760
<v Speaker 3>to be traveling with really was and fucking killed her. Wow,

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01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:39.279
<v Speaker 3>that sucks, fucked up. It's this is such a such

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01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:40.079
<v Speaker 3>a shitty story.

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01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Man.

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01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:41.800
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, he's a piece of shit.

1303
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:42.079
<v Speaker 3>They know.

1304
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Also, he's not very smart. I'm not Stephen saying I

1305
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:49.079
<v Speaker 1>almost don't get me wrong, once sixty IQ not saying

1306
01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:51.560
<v Speaker 1>not nothing. Obviously it's not.

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01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Nothing to sneeze at it at one sixty.

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01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:58.880
<v Speaker 1>That but uh, he made a lot of mistakes, a

1309
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:01.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of mistakes than not. He are really forgivable in

1310
01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:09.479
<v Speaker 1>the seventies. DNA evidence is he is forgivable because that

1311
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that technology is invented.

1312
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Yet he's that's okay, So then what's not forgivable?

1313
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:18.760
<v Speaker 1>The brazen attitude of some of these places and victims.

1314
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:21.359
<v Speaker 1>He sounded like the way he acted around that girl,

1315
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:23.399
<v Speaker 1>like the one before he got the one before he

1316
01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:26.359
<v Speaker 1>got captured. I forgot a name. I'm sorry. You know

1317
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:28.159
<v Speaker 1>what the adults saw her with her friend that gave

1318
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:29.399
<v Speaker 1>a good description of him.

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01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Robin Sansu and like Wilvert.

1320
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like there's ways to do that.

1321
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.880
<v Speaker 3>It's just fucking broad daylight, broad daylight, broad fucking daylight.

1322
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:37.159
<v Speaker 4>You know.

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01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:40.840
<v Speaker 1>There were other details that I forgot to exactly remember.

1324
01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:46.479
<v Speaker 1>But he is making mistakes a lot actually, like he

1325
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:50.439
<v Speaker 1>is beholden and brazen, like he is too comfortable and

1326
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:52.800
<v Speaker 1>thinking he's getting away. But he's been cop before too,

1327
01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.239
<v Speaker 1>by the way, should be said he's been caught before. Yes,

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01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:59.279
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like it's almost like he feels like his

1329
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.039
<v Speaker 1>power is that he'll get away with a murder, is

1330
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:04.199
<v Speaker 1>that he could get a murder that he commits knocked

1331
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:08.279
<v Speaker 1>down to a misdemeanor. It's almost like his power is

1332
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:12.960
<v Speaker 1>like his charm, his whatever, his genius looks whatever. Maybe

1333
01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:18.319
<v Speaker 1>it serves him best in the judicial system than it

1334
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:21.680
<v Speaker 1>does on the streets or with people on the streets,

1335
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:25.520
<v Speaker 1>or with potential victims or victims families. I mean, where

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01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:26.920
<v Speaker 1>is this brazen that is coming from?

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01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:29.119
<v Speaker 3>I would hope it's not the judicial system, that's for sure.

1338
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Well obviously on to at least two occasions that I'm

1339
01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:34.600
<v Speaker 1>out when they shouldn't have one of them.

1340
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:36.359
<v Speaker 3>And let him travel when he shouldn't have.

1341
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:41.039
<v Speaker 1>That's a big one. That's a big one. Huge. It

1342
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:42.640
<v Speaker 1>just seems like a lot of stuff is more to

1343
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.720
<v Speaker 1>be to just luck. And I'm not saying charming genius

1344
01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:51.479
<v Speaker 1>or sorry, charming cleverness don't hold hands together. They do,

1345
01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:55.039
<v Speaker 1>but they're also two different things. I don't know. I

1346
01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:57.279
<v Speaker 1>feel like pretty dumb for a smart guy.

1347
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:02.319
<v Speaker 3>No, you're right, you're right, you know, maybe he's book smart.

1348
01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, obviously there is different kinds of you know, smart,

1349
01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:12.439
<v Speaker 1>like you just mentioned, different kinds of whatever. I just

1350
01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know this guy. There's another

1351
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:17.760
<v Speaker 1>thing mentioned way earlier. Yeah, and you're gonna hate You're

1352
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:22.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna love this because it's gonna make you scroll up again.

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01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Well maybe not, maybe not. When you were talking earlier

1354
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:28.840
<v Speaker 1>on his career before he started killing about his uh,

1355
01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:31.520
<v Speaker 1>when he turned seventeen eighteen, he went to the military, Yes,

1356
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:34.439
<v Speaker 1>and then he got I don't know, I assumed dishonorably discharged.

1357
01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what you said. It doesn't matter. It

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01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:36.479
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter.

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01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:38.720
<v Speaker 3>I had just said discharged, discharge.

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01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure if it was dishonorably, but he he

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01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:42.119
<v Speaker 1>had done something.

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01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:44.920
<v Speaker 3>So there was some sexual devency, yeah.

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01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:49.079
<v Speaker 1>Which is not specified, which makes sense. Yeah, this could

1364
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:52.159
<v Speaker 1>be because it's homosexual related either get rumor or reel.

1365
01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Or it could be something else like a Barrack's bunny thing,

1366
01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:56.119
<v Speaker 1>which probably wasn't existing back then.

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01:15:56.239 --> 01:16:00.800
<v Speaker 3>I do, but Barrack's bunny. Yeah, there's not a lot

1368
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:02.800
<v Speaker 3>of talk about him being homosexual or anything.

1369
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Wait.

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01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:07.520
<v Speaker 3>No, he did have male photo male posing for photos,

1371
01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:10.800
<v Speaker 3>but it's never it's never explicitly said that he also

1372
01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:11.800
<v Speaker 3>had sex with men.

1373
01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that could also be a legit shoot for money.

1374
01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I do think he thought he was a legitimate photographer. Yes, yeah,

1375
01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:22.800
<v Speaker 3>some of his pictures are good. I've seen him. Some

1376
01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:27.600
<v Speaker 3>of them are good. But it never says he was

1377
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:29.520
<v Speaker 3>specifically gay. So I don't know.

1378
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to feel like if that's the real

1379
01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:35.479
<v Speaker 1>first sign, right, Oh, I think definitely, And you mentioned

1380
01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:37.079
<v Speaker 1>so right after that he I think definitely.

1381
01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:38.479
<v Speaker 3>The military thing was the first sign.

1382
01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:42.399
<v Speaker 1>He joined the arts right before he cracks and then

1383
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:45.640
<v Speaker 1>starts peaking and start graduate becoming the wandering serial killer.

1384
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:49.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he wandered, he graduated and correct, Yeah.

1385
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, after the military, you know, which is a short

1386
01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:55.000
<v Speaker 1>time after but after it, after the military. I kind

1387
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:57.880
<v Speaker 1>of think, and again maybe this could be in the movie.

1388
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:01.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but what it's me when you mentioned

1389
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:05.880
<v Speaker 1>that before he started killing, he became a wandering serial killer,

1390
01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:09.199
<v Speaker 1>which is all the rage in the seventies.

1391
01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:10.399
<v Speaker 3>By the way, it really was.

1392
01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:12.520
<v Speaker 1>It really was. I said it as a joke, but

1393
01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:18.199
<v Speaker 1>it's so true. Is that what if what made him

1394
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:22.960
<v Speaker 1>crack was a piece like a piece of art, you know,

1395
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:27.279
<v Speaker 1>like because like we talked about his childhood, nothing there.

1396
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Really not really nothing there right now.

1397
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:32.720
<v Speaker 1>We're we're attributing to something about the military regarding this,

1398
01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:36.800
<v Speaker 1>But then he probably would have been disarmly discharged if

1399
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:38.640
<v Speaker 1>it was that bad, as opposed to like maybe not

1400
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:42.399
<v Speaker 1>really think so I don't think that's enough either. And

1401
01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:46.439
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the not the not the U turn,

1402
01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:48.800
<v Speaker 1>not the one to eighty, but the ninety degree turn

1403
01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:51.760
<v Speaker 1>he made from his time in the arts, meaning learning

1404
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:55.600
<v Speaker 1>photography or whatever, into becoming a serial killer or trying

1405
01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:58.119
<v Speaker 1>to be or killing is or trying to kill that

1406
01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:02.279
<v Speaker 1>a young girl. Uh, I feel like, what if something

1407
01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:06.920
<v Speaker 1>broke him artistically, because it seems like.

1408
01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:09.039
<v Speaker 3>The expand on that what it was interesting because they

1409
01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:11.000
<v Speaker 3>say it wasn't Hitler a failed artist. He was all

1410
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.079
<v Speaker 3>depressed because he couldn't be that's a artist, and then

1411
01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:15.239
<v Speaker 3>he moved into Public's good.

1412
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Any connection I can make with Hitler is great. I

1413
01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:20.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't think of that that's good. I mean, yeah, that

1414
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.520
<v Speaker 1>could be enough Avenue. I was thinking more like he

1415
01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:26.079
<v Speaker 1>saw something. No, I'm not saying in his own art.

1416
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:29.479
<v Speaker 3>Well, don't forget he was also with Polanski. He was

1417
01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:33.000
<v Speaker 3>studying under Polanski for a while too. Well he was Oh,

1418
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.199
<v Speaker 3>that's when he went to n YU though, that's when

1419
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:35.920
<v Speaker 3>he went to n YU.

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01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:37.840
<v Speaker 1>That was after. This is when he was escaped, after

1421
01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:41.000
<v Speaker 1>after his first attempt. Yeah, this after the breaking point,

1422
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:44.920
<v Speaker 1>and he probably just, I don't know, got tips on

1423
01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:49.680
<v Speaker 1>how to talk to young girls from Plansky. Sorry not sorry,

1424
01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:53.720
<v Speaker 1>it's true. It's true, great filmmaker, but it's goddamn he's

1425
01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:59.760
<v Speaker 1>a piece of shit anyway. So I'm thinking like, oh, so, right,

1426
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:03.000
<v Speaker 1>be one thing that at the failed artist thing broke him?

1427
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Like he saw it early on. Manson Kazza has that

1428
01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:10.479
<v Speaker 1>too with the music career and just fucking broke them

1429
01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and you know, started slaking his thirst, so to speak,

1430
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.479
<v Speaker 1>his urges right instead and just going for that the

1431
01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:21.720
<v Speaker 1>focused zero. Then it could be that which the connection

1432
01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:25.399
<v Speaker 1>to the connective tissue to that is the way. Uh

1433
01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:28.800
<v Speaker 1>sure what I forgot her named the dating gang girl

1434
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:33.199
<v Speaker 1>denied him saw Bradshaw My bad When Bradshaw denied him

1435
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:37.760
<v Speaker 1>could be like a second fail, you know what I mean?

1436
01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Like a like you could connect those two the way

1437
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:43.840
<v Speaker 1>he overreacted, the way, like the way he picked his

1438
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:46.199
<v Speaker 1>victims from that point on, the way he kind of

1439
01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.479
<v Speaker 1>showed his hand by trying something so brazen as going

1440
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:51.800
<v Speaker 1>on the dating game, like it knocked them down a

1441
01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:54.079
<v Speaker 1>few notches, the way the arts thing knocked them down

1442
01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:56.520
<v Speaker 1>a few notches. I feel like those two connect.

1443
01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:59.520
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting and that could wonder.

1444
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:02.279
<v Speaker 1>That could be something or where I was originally thinking,

1445
01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:04.520
<v Speaker 1>which is less likely now that I'm talking, is that

1446
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:06.680
<v Speaker 1>what if he saw a piece of art. I don't

1447
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:10.319
<v Speaker 1>know what kind of it's la right, So they have

1448
01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:11.720
<v Speaker 1>museums to have a lot of things, They have a

1449
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:14.079
<v Speaker 1>lot of personal things. Students are making shit all the time.

1450
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:17.640
<v Speaker 1>What if he saw something that broke him, Like maybe

1451
01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:19.800
<v Speaker 1>he saw talent way beyond what he feels he could

1452
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:23.039
<v Speaker 1>have done, you know, something like that, or something more personal,

1453
01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:27.960
<v Speaker 1>he saw something that reminded him something awful about himself,

1454
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:29.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, something much more like this is this is

1455
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:32.239
<v Speaker 1>where it gets cinematic and not be realistic. But like,

1456
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:34.560
<v Speaker 1>what if he saw something reminded of mouth sucked up

1457
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:37.880
<v Speaker 1>he is and just trying it just went forward like

1458
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:40.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of inspired him to kill I don't know, I

1459
01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:42.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of had that these because the way again, ninety

1460
01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:43.800
<v Speaker 1>degree turned that one to eighty, but.

1461
01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:46.760
<v Speaker 3>To the seventies were weird time, weird time. There were

1462
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:47.760
<v Speaker 3>some weird shit in the seventies.

1463
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:50.439
<v Speaker 1>Trust me, there's no way he's never high in this decade.

1464
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:52.520
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no way, all the time.

1465
01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:54.479
<v Speaker 1>No way, He's never not you know what I'm saying.

1466
01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:57.920
<v Speaker 3>It's uh fucking I don't know.

1467
01:20:58.439 --> 01:20:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1468
01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, what do you do when what happens

1469
01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:06.479
<v Speaker 3>when a genius psychopath gets knocked down a few rungs? Yeah,

1470
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:07.560
<v Speaker 3>fuck God help.

1471
01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:10.159
<v Speaker 1>They usually overreact. I'm usually to get themselves caught. But

1472
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:12.079
<v Speaker 1>they also have a lot of damage along the way.

1473
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:13.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, they do a lot of carnage on the

1474
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:13.800
<v Speaker 1>way out.

1475
01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:16.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, I can't wait to see this movie. I

1476
01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:18.720
<v Speaker 3>can't wait to see now that I've researched this too.

1477
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>I hope you're not hyping up too much. I don't

1478
01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:21.279
<v Speaker 1>know how good it's gonna be.

1479
01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:23.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know. That's what I'm saying,

1480
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:26.119
<v Speaker 3>now that I researched this thing to death, this topic,

1481
01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:28.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, seeing the movie, I can't wait to see

1482
01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:31.079
<v Speaker 3>what's what they talked about, what's not talked about, what's

1483
01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:33.840
<v Speaker 3>brought up? You know. But I mean, we'll we'll let

1484
01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:35.920
<v Speaker 3>you know what we think of the movie. Are you

1485
01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:36.479
<v Speaker 3>gonna watch it?

1486
01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:39.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, I am now, yes for sure. I

1487
01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:41.079
<v Speaker 1>don't even know it existed until.

1488
01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:42.760
<v Speaker 3>When I heard it and Kendrick IM like, I'm watching it.

1489
01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:44.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what the fuck it was about, right,

1490
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:47.159
<v Speaker 3>but yep, I'm in right. Katie's like, that's that's terrible,

1491
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:48.640
<v Speaker 3>You're terrible.

1492
01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Did you see trap? She didn't.

1493
01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:54.880
<v Speaker 3>I saw her eyes peeled the entire time, didn't look

1494
01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:57.600
<v Speaker 3>at her phone once Josh whip his ass.

1495
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:00.600
<v Speaker 1>He was a sarracad in that movie, Whip your ass.

1496
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:02.760
<v Speaker 1>It was all right, that's all I got on there.

1497
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, me too. Just think this guy's dead fuck him. Yeah, cheeseburger.

1498
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I love how you mention that over and over. That's great.

1499
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:12.920
<v Speaker 1>He's actually been the motor to Hamburger.

1500
01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:17.319
<v Speaker 3>Cheese, no cheese, veggie burgery.

1501
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Man, you got it, Cale Burger. Okay, we're done now.

1502
01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:22.279
<v Speaker 3>Merry Christmas listeners.

1503
01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, Merry Christmas.

1504
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.840
<v Speaker 3>We will see you when you see an oscar take

1505
01:22:26.920 --> 01:23:11.239
<v Speaker 3>us home. Yeah. So Game of Thrones, that's that was

1506
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:15.720
<v Speaker 3>our big thing. We're watching the new Menendez show. That's

1507
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:19.560
<v Speaker 3>pretty good. Remember than Menendez Brothers in the early nineties.

1508
01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:21.720
<v Speaker 3>Rich kids killed their family, killed their mom and dad.

1509
01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:24.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh I saw. I saw the thumbnail for this. I

1510
01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:26.159
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen it. I don't know crime ship most of

1511
01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:28.079
<v Speaker 1>the time. Oh okay, they don't give a ship.

1512
01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah then yeah, they won't like it.

1513
01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Then, my god, like it. If you write it, I

1514
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:32.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna like. I think.

1515
01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:37.640
<v Speaker 3>What a Tulsa King stallone? Probably not interested.

1516
01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:40.199
<v Speaker 1>No, but I know that the new season's coming up

1517
01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:42.640
<v Speaker 1>because I've been seen trailers. It's out and they finished Evil.

1518
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I was great.

1519
01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:44.720
<v Speaker 3>You like the ending.

1520
01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:45.279
<v Speaker 1>I love the end.

1521
01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:49.640
<v Speaker 3>Hated the ending? Why because nothing happened? Literally nothing happened.

1522
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean she goes to the back, went to Rome.

1523
01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:54.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but Leland's still out there kicking.

1524
01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't he like taking away?

1525
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you don't know what happened to him. He's gone, No,

1526
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:01.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so, I don't know.

1527
01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, also, like they leave it open, propose there's a

1528
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.279
<v Speaker 1>whole thing where you know, they wanted to leave things

1529
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:08.199
<v Speaker 1>open because they're like, well, he was never really dead.

1530
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:12.039
<v Speaker 1>But like there's also talking about season five now, well,

1531
01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:14.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's what people are rallying for it. Well,

1532
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:15.000
<v Speaker 1>that's I just don't know.

1533
01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.359
<v Speaker 3>I just wanted more. Nothing really happened with David.

1534
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:20.680
<v Speaker 1>He's wanted to fuck. You know, like two characters that

1535
01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you ship in a show fuck. As soon as they fucked,

1536
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:23.760
<v Speaker 1>the show becomes uninteresting.

1537
01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Really, maybe you're right, Ben, what happened to Ben the Magnificent?

1538
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember.

1539
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:33.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember either, Like the whole thing was the

1540
01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:33.439
<v Speaker 3>fun I.

1541
01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Mean I did see this a month ago, so I

1542
01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:35.239
<v Speaker 1>don't remember.

1543
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Now, aner the whole thing.

1544
01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:40.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was saying that the man nothing happened. No,

1545
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:42.199
<v Speaker 1>he did something. I just remember what it was.

1546
01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:43.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, he got this job that was paying him like

1547
01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:46.920
<v Speaker 3>three hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, half a

1548
01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:48.520
<v Speaker 3>million a year or something like that.

1549
01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:49.560
<v Speaker 1>That's all right, I remember that.

1550
01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Nothing that was like, oh this is great, we invested

1551
01:24:52.600 --> 01:24:54.880
<v Speaker 3>all this time and there's a payoff. Well, I didn't

1552
01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:55.920
<v Speaker 3>feel like there was a payoff.

1553
01:24:56.319 --> 01:24:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think he's the truth skeptic right of the show.

1554
01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Who yeah, I mean if he starts believing out of nowhere,

1555
01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:06.039
<v Speaker 1>I would have not found that believable either.

1556
01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:08.279
<v Speaker 3>He was coming close.

1557
01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:12.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was close for sure. So what else?

1558
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Movies? What movies did we see? We Trap?

1559
01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:18.319
<v Speaker 1>I love Trap?

1560
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Trap is okay? Trap?

1561
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:22.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean I can no, no, I'll tell you it's

1562
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>a terrible movie. I love it. It's awful. I didn't

1563
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:26.239
<v Speaker 1>have so many mistakes.

1564
01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:27.239
<v Speaker 3>I didn't think it was awful.

1565
01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Why people say it's awful and every time they give up,

1566
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, like this is awful and this is up,

1567
01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I totally buy it.

1568
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:34.920
<v Speaker 3>We understand what were some examples.

1569
01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Which are so many things in the movie is so unrealistic.

1570
01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:40.800
<v Speaker 1>It's so unreal it's so laughably unrealistic. But I had

1571
01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:44.560
<v Speaker 1>so much fun with attention that I didn't care and

1572
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I loved it was But like and in the high

1573
01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:50.840
<v Speaker 1>water mark, being like they let him hug his daughter

1574
01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:54.560
<v Speaker 1>at the end, or let him fix the bike off

1575
01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the lawn, like why why has he not any police

1576
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:02.239
<v Speaker 1>escort on the way to the wise alone? It's so dumb.

1577
01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I get it, it's dumb. I had a blast.

1578
01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Though that that's the least of my worries.

1579
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there's a lot of ship like tim saying.

1580
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:10.479
<v Speaker 3>So it's night shamala emending though.

1581
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1582
01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Right, So I was waiting for that twist. Man, I'm

1583
01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:15.439
<v Speaker 3>waiting for the twist, and I'm like, okay, no.

1584
01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:18.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not really twisted. The twisty thing is that you

1585
01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:21.199
<v Speaker 1>find out that well, that could be a twisty thing,

1586
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:23.119
<v Speaker 1>but no, I was the only real twisty thing in

1587
01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the movie is that I thought the movie was going

1588
01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:27.720
<v Speaker 1>to take place entirely on the concert and then they

1589
01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>moved away. They have a fourth act on the at

1590
01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:32.199
<v Speaker 1>the house, and yeah, that was cool. I didn't expect it.

1591
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh see, I didn't consider that a twist.

1592
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>No, that's not twisted. Neither is the wife thing that she's.

1593
01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:39.199
<v Speaker 3>The one who found the ticket and turned it in

1594
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:39.920
<v Speaker 3>and blah blah blah.

1595
01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:42.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it kind of plays twist.

1596
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:43.800
<v Speaker 3>But not a Shyamalan twist.

1597
01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:45.319
<v Speaker 1>No, no, not a temon.

1598
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:48.199
<v Speaker 3>So my whole thing was I was having fun with

1599
01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:51.840
<v Speaker 3>it because everything fell into place for Josh Hart and

1600
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:52.760
<v Speaker 3>it's character.

1601
01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>To a tee.

1602
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Every single time, every a door opens, a card just

1603
01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:01.600
<v Speaker 3>happens to be laying there. The apron that he stole

1604
01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:03.760
<v Speaker 3>happens to have a wall in it, and oh, there's

1605
01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:06.159
<v Speaker 3>the secret card that we were given, you know, at

1606
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:08.760
<v Speaker 3>the debriefing, and you know, he meets the black dude

1607
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:10.439
<v Speaker 3>who gives him the word.

1608
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I think the worst of that every time you do

1609
01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>on the radio. He had perfect information for there hed

1610
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>it that was like the word.

1611
01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:19.560
<v Speaker 3>So I was like, Okay, this is so outlandish. This

1612
01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:21.319
<v Speaker 3>has to be part of the twist. That the twist

1613
01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:22.800
<v Speaker 3>is he's writing or not.

1614
01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:24.279
<v Speaker 1>That's why you thought it was just okay, because you

1615
01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>thought it was building into something. You're giving m I

1616
01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>too much writerly credit. He doesn't care about that.

1617
01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, back in the early two thousands, that's or late nineties,

1618
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:32.720
<v Speaker 3>that's what he was.

1619
01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Well in the late nineties, we also had shittier movies.

1620
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I think we were just like so used to a

1621
01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:39.199
<v Speaker 1>certain kind of movies. And we're so used to different

1622
01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:39.800
<v Speaker 1>kinds of movies.

1623
01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Now, when was Shemelin's Heyday?

1624
01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Early? Two thousands?

1625
01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:44.199
<v Speaker 3>Early?

1626
01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, because ineteen ninety nine was with six Sense came out?

1627
01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there are two thousand, it's right. So yeah, all

1628
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:51.800
<v Speaker 3>those twists were like mind blowing.

1629
01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Mane because we're also dumber as cinema cinema goals. Maybe

1630
01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:57.359
<v Speaker 1>we'll tell you we were. I'll tell you we were,

1631
01:27:57.720 --> 01:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and think about the best movies of that era and

1632
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:02.159
<v Speaker 1>how dumb they are if you look back at him,

1633
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>so dumb, so many errors were. We're used much more

1634
01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>sophisticated plotting. We're not great at the emotion stuff. The

1635
01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:11.279
<v Speaker 1>nights are much better at that, but we're so much

1636
01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>better at plotting stuff, making things sense, making things tension.

1637
01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:16.920
<v Speaker 1>We're so much better at that now, something that m

1638
01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:20.479
<v Speaker 1>Night was the grandfather of. But that not so much anymore.

1639
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:24.199
<v Speaker 1>We just had so many better, wow, more tightly packed stuff.

1640
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:27.079
<v Speaker 1>But he also doesn't care about that. He likes the shlockiness.

1641
01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:30.159
<v Speaker 1>He likes being kind of like Scream, the first Scream,

1642
01:28:30.319 --> 01:28:32.279
<v Speaker 1>kind of like being a slasher. I know it's not

1643
01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>a slasher, but like he likes being in that way.

1644
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:38.039
<v Speaker 1>I think I personally think he needs a partner to

1645
01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>settle him down so you can write a little better,

1646
01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Because you're right, his dieg is not great. I hate

1647
01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>he puts himself in the movies. I don't like any

1648
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:49.039
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff. Well well I hate it and a

1649
01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:52.159
<v Speaker 1>few times it makes the movie worse. Not always, but

1650
01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and then but and with with Trap, it's like I

1651
01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:57.359
<v Speaker 1>just felt I just like like I was.

1652
01:28:57.359 --> 01:29:01.680
<v Speaker 3>In the mood you know it was. Or there's another one, yeah,

1653
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:05.479
<v Speaker 3>Josh Harten and all these twenty thousand people, he just

1654
01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:08.520
<v Speaker 3>happens to turn around and there's the Brad's uncle and

1655
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:09.600
<v Speaker 3>it happens to be m Night.

1656
01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's another thing.

1657
01:29:10.319 --> 01:29:11.960
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh, hey, my daughter was dying.

1658
01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:12.479
<v Speaker 2>She's not.

1659
01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:15.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh why don't you come backstage? So watching the movie

1660
01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:19.079
<v Speaker 3>with this in mind, where okay, this is so outlanded.

1661
01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:21.520
<v Speaker 1>What would be the reason though, what like this twist

1662
01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that you.

1663
01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Are I don't know, Like the guy's fucking laid up

1664
01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:25.319
<v Speaker 3>in the hospital or it's m Night right in the

1665
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:28.039
<v Speaker 3>book and this is in his mind or whatever it is,

1666
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:31.680
<v Speaker 3>there's some big reveal if that was gonna hatch Why

1667
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:33.359
<v Speaker 3>all these things just wanting to fall into place.

1668
01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I would have bought a table just to flip it.

1669
01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:37.960
<v Speaker 3>During the movie I was in. I was watching it.

1670
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:39.600
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh yeah, this is cool. Something thing's

1671
01:29:39.640 --> 01:29:40.159
<v Speaker 3>gonna happen.

1672
01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>This makes no I mean the biggest thing was a nepotism.

1673
01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:46.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, who was I forgot a name. Someone

1674
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:49.439
<v Speaker 3>told me that it's like a commercial for his daughter.

1675
01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:51.279
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, oh no, it is.

1676
01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:52.199
<v Speaker 3>That's her.

1677
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:55.840
<v Speaker 1>M Shaymon's daughter is the singer the Lady, and she

1678
01:29:55.960 --> 01:29:58.039
<v Speaker 1>wants to be a pop idol singer in real life.

1679
01:29:58.039 --> 01:29:58.479
<v Speaker 3>Oh she does.

1680
01:29:58.560 --> 01:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>And those are her real songs that you listen to

1681
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole movie. So you're listening to an album for

1682
01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:05.399
<v Speaker 1>free or for the move for a price.

1683
01:30:05.239 --> 01:30:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Of a movie.

1684
01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:08.399
<v Speaker 1>He's like, good, you know what I'm saying. I guess

1685
01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:11.199
<v Speaker 1>so he's trying to help her. It wasn't Oh no,

1686
01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything about pop music. I didn't care either.

1687
01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying that's a super movie. I'm just saying

1688
01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:17.720
<v Speaker 1>it's very blatant.

1689
01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh one hundred.

1690
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>That's all I mean. I don't think it's terrible. Like whatever,

1691
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>you have power, go do it, you have money, go

1692
01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:23.119
<v Speaker 1>do it.

1693
01:30:23.159 --> 01:30:27.640
<v Speaker 3>What I would do it with my kid. But after

1694
01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:31.920
<v Speaker 3>anything was done and I realized, hey, there's no twist here.

1695
01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Now none of this ship makes sense, and I was angry.

1696
01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:36.800
<v Speaker 1>See I was fine with it not making sense in

1697
01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:38.439
<v Speaker 1>the moment, and I was like, let's just go with

1698
01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:41.039
<v Speaker 1>it because I wasn't hoping for a big twist.

1699
01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:43.600
<v Speaker 3>I guess, so there was a difference I was waiting.

1700
01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Or at least the twist I was hoping for had

1701
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:49.039
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with why the movie's written badly. I

1702
01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:50.479
<v Speaker 1>mean I like that and some of that stuff was

1703
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:53.119
<v Speaker 1>cool though, like when he pushes that girl to see

1704
01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the reaction of the cops and they don't move because

1705
01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:56.960
<v Speaker 1>they have other cops to do that, so they're not

1706
01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.199
<v Speaker 1>going to move from the entrance so he can't escape.

1707
01:30:59.439 --> 01:31:01.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's a cool move. That's a cool time.

1708
01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I think the way he talks his way out of

1709
01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the cops when he's like when they're doing a briefing

1710
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>thing and he gets in there like, oh the sugar

1711
01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:09.439
<v Speaker 1>down here, Like I thought that was cool too. The

1712
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>way he acts some good moments, great moments. But yeah,

1713
01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>overall the movies also super silly. No cop on the planet,

1714
01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>whatever stage a trap on this magnitude nothing well nothing,

1715
01:31:20.319 --> 01:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>The concept is so ridiculous.

1716
01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:24.159
<v Speaker 3>It's all off of a ticket stub.

1717
01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:26.119
<v Speaker 1>A dumb ass ticket stuf that that I mean that.

1718
01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess that may explain why it felt like a

1719
01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:31.039
<v Speaker 1>twist when you find out the wife did it, because

1720
01:31:31.039 --> 01:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>that comes back later. But yeah, it's a dumb reason.

1721
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:36.479
<v Speaker 1>Why would they think that it's not enough? Also with

1722
01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the point in that, because we review on the show,

1723
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:41.159
<v Speaker 1>the point of the thing we argued about the most

1724
01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:43.479
<v Speaker 1>was I was pissed that we didn't get enough of

1725
01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:46.359
<v Speaker 1>the f pive profiler because they were making her off

1726
01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:49.159
<v Speaker 1>to be like the super smart person, but we get

1727
01:31:49.159 --> 01:31:51.359
<v Speaker 1>no evidence of that, And I really wanted to know

1728
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:54.279
<v Speaker 1>what would they have asked at the entrances that kept

1729
01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Josh Harten is so scared to be questioned, and like

1730
01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:00.359
<v Speaker 1>if he just showed us a little bit of that

1731
01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:04.159
<v Speaker 1>intelligence by these well, I would have bought into it more.

1732
01:32:04.279 --> 01:32:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's is one of the clients I had.

1733
01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:10.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, especially because that profiler is a famous actress from

1734
01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:13.239
<v Speaker 3>the Hayley Mills from the Parent Parent Trip. Yeah, I

1735
01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:15.279
<v Speaker 3>mean that's who.

1736
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Are you texting people? Everyone go to sleep?

1737
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:23.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, I hear the chair it was like almost the

1738
01:32:23.119 --> 01:32:25.800
<v Speaker 3>same exact title, right, so we're like, oh my god,

1739
01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:28.359
<v Speaker 3>it's like Downar ninety nine on vod or whatever. Let's

1740
01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:31.880
<v Speaker 3>rent it. Okay, it was the worst B movie, piece

1741
01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:34.439
<v Speaker 3>of shit. They completely just took advantage of the name.

1742
01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:35.239
<v Speaker 1>That's how they get you.

1743
01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:38.039
<v Speaker 3>And we were so mad. So now it's out and

1744
01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:41.039
<v Speaker 3>so I'm going to get that one. That what else?

1745
01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Horror wise?

1746
01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Nothing I told you about this great movie. I tested

1747
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>you about it. Oddity.

1748
01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:49.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh we did see Oddity?

1749
01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:53.439
<v Speaker 1>Did you like it? It was okay? Okay, movie man,

1750
01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I love that movie.

1751
01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:54.680
<v Speaker 3>Really.

1752
01:32:55.199 --> 01:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Everything paid off about it. Everything was perfectly set up

1753
01:32:57.600 --> 01:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>from the very beginning. Everything worked out. There's no like

1754
01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>loose thread in the movie.

1755
01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:03.319
<v Speaker 3>You didn't want to see more than dummy.

1756
01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>No, we got enough.

1757
01:33:04.760 --> 01:33:06.319
<v Speaker 3>Really Yeah, just sitting there.

1758
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:09.399
<v Speaker 1>I think working detention. I think I feel like, whatever

1759
01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the budget was, maybe they couldn't show it with us

1760
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>looking too hokey. I feel like like the Jaws effect,

1761
01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:17.039
<v Speaker 1>the less you show, the more horroring it is. So

1762
01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:19.359
<v Speaker 1>I felt like it was fine that way. It is

1763
01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>technically an indie movie, so, like you know, they probably

1764
01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>couldn't do.

1765
01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:23.800
<v Speaker 3>A whole lot.

1766
01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>We didn't know, and if they and if they had

1767
01:33:25.640 --> 01:33:28.039
<v Speaker 1>to ceg the whole thing, it might have looked funny.

1768
01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Humm.

1769
01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, I liked that it was sitting there, It

1770
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>was real there, it was tactile. For me. It was

1771
01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:34.279
<v Speaker 1>enough for me.

1772
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so I guess for me it wasn't. Everyone

1773
01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:39.439
<v Speaker 3>was saying it's the scariest movie of the year, it's

1774
01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:40.000
<v Speaker 3>the best movie.

1775
01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that, but I I thought it was

1776
01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:42.399
<v Speaker 1>pretty creepy.

1777
01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess maybe, I guess.

1778
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:46.199
<v Speaker 1>I just I mean that whole thing with the sister

1779
01:33:46.399 --> 01:33:49.319
<v Speaker 1>and jump, don't open the door or that was that was?

1780
01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

1781
01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:54.079
<v Speaker 3>Scene the crazy Eye. Ye, yeah, we saw it. I didn't.

1782
01:33:54.319 --> 01:33:55.560
<v Speaker 3>I liked it when I watched it again.

1783
01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:56.840
<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't.

1784
01:33:56.920 --> 01:33:59.279
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, what else? What other horror?

1785
01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:01.319
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

1786
01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:04.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean I actually looked in my been watching.

1787
01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:06.279
<v Speaker 2>So much?

1788
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>All right, So I did see Fidoh. I saw Zombie

1789
01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Flash Shooters, but that's from seventy nine. I saw Never

1790
01:34:17.039 --> 01:34:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Let Go With.

1791
01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:22.000
<v Speaker 3>How was it?

1792
01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>It was okay?

1793
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:24.479
<v Speaker 3>It looked the previews look really good.

1794
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>No, it asked retty good tension. It has really good scenes.

1795
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:31.359
<v Speaker 3>Watchers that was a while ago. I saw Watchers for

1796
01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:34.640
<v Speaker 3>some reason that movie reminded me of Watchers, both in the.

1797
01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:37.479
<v Speaker 1>Forest I can't leave this also both in the forest

1798
01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and the forest. Uh yeah, I like that movie too.

1799
01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I say, Never Let Go is I think better film,

1800
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>like better made, but I think it falls apart with

1801
01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:51.199
<v Speaker 1>the ending. I don't think I liked.

1802
01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:54.359
<v Speaker 3>It really, I liked it. I liked I liked Watchers.

1803
01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:58.079
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm in Never Let Go. No, No, I like,

1804
01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Watches was more even the whole time.

1805
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:02.439
<v Speaker 1>It was like even, Yeah, it was cool, Like the

1806
01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>whole thing with the Ferio is cool. Yeah, let's see.

1807
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I saw The Last Stop in Newma County is not

1808
01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a horror, but that's a very good movie. Really, it's

1809
01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>like a crime movie. I guess, uh almost entire movie.

1810
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:16.680
<v Speaker 1>He's based in this like shitty diner in the middle

1811
01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:20.800
<v Speaker 1>of nowhere. It's about this guy who is putt is going,

1812
01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>uh stops at this diners thatched to a gas station.

1813
01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>He wants to put gas in it, but they don't

1814
01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:27.560
<v Speaker 1>have any gas. They're waiting for the truck. The truck

1815
01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:30.479
<v Speaker 1>is late, and they gave if you want to wait

1816
01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>to go into the diner. Right And as he's waiting,

1817
01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>there's chatting up with the waitress there. All these people

1818
01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>start coming in, including uh and you said you hear

1819
01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:41.079
<v Speaker 1>on the radio that earlier in the morning a bank

1820
01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>was robbed, like a bank robbery, and the bank robbers

1821
01:35:44.439 --> 01:35:47.600
<v Speaker 1>need gas and they stop in the diner, right, and

1822
01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:50.560
<v Speaker 1>they get found out, so they start kid, you know,

1823
01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:54.079
<v Speaker 1>having people hostage until the gas truck arrives. And it's

1824
01:35:54.079 --> 01:35:56.800
<v Speaker 1>just a mountain tension that just keeps tension, tension, tensine

1825
01:35:57.159 --> 01:35:58.800
<v Speaker 1>until the ending. I'm not gonna spoil it, but that's

1826
01:35:58.840 --> 01:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>a very good movie.

1827
01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:01.119
<v Speaker 3>It's a new one.

1828
01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, well a few months ago. But yeah, I

1829
01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>did see Spaceman. Forgot about that spaceman that's uh, what's

1830
01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>his name?

1831
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:11.079
<v Speaker 3>The Mexican dude.

1832
01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:15.159
<v Speaker 1>No, there was a space with No you think of

1833
01:36:15.159 --> 01:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a sling shot. Maybe not.

1834
01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:21.359
<v Speaker 3>He he's been in a ton of stuff.

1835
01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:24.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know his spaceman is with uh a little nikky?

1836
01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Was this guy's name Adam Sandler?

1837
01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:29.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh, with a big spider.

1838
01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I didn't like that movie. You didn't like it?

1839
01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:31.600
<v Speaker 3>I did not?

1840
01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I did like it?

1841
01:36:33.199 --> 01:36:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Did I love it? I guess I just missed the

1842
01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:36.880
<v Speaker 3>whole prime. I guess I just missed the point. Maybe

1843
01:36:37.119 --> 01:36:38.439
<v Speaker 3>oh maybe I was tired. I don't know.

1844
01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:41.399
<v Speaker 1>I did not like I enjoyed that one. Who are

1845
01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:42.119
<v Speaker 1>you thinking of though?

1846
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:47.359
<v Speaker 3>It's a I can't think of it, And now, of

1847
01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:49.119
<v Speaker 3>course I can't think of a movie that the hispanic

1848
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:49.800
<v Speaker 3>dude's been in.

1849
01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:52.479
<v Speaker 1>That's funny. I did see Blink twice.

1850
01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:53.760
<v Speaker 3>Blink twice.

1851
01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>That was good. Is it might still be in theaters.

1852
01:36:57.720 --> 01:36:59.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure who's who's in that.

1853
01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Shot. Quat that's her name.

1854
01:37:05.479 --> 01:37:07.079
<v Speaker 3>I know I've heard of Bling twice.

1855
01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Channing Tatum is the bigger name in that movie.

1856
01:37:10.199 --> 01:37:11.199
<v Speaker 3>He takes him off to the island.

1857
01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's the movie.

1858
01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:13.720
<v Speaker 3>It was good, very good. Really.

1859
01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people are not hailing it, talking about

1860
01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.560
<v Speaker 1>like Irreverend, like, oh my god, there's this crazy, fucking

1861
01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:24.479
<v Speaker 1>like traumatic rape scene or I saw it. It's not

1862
01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:27.039
<v Speaker 1>that traumatic, okay, but also I've seen way worse. So

1863
01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>like I thought it was pretty tame, Like I thought

1864
01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:32.079
<v Speaker 1>it was, not that it has to be amazing, but

1865
01:37:32.079 --> 01:37:34.800
<v Speaker 1>people were talking about it as if it were I'm like, guys,

1866
01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:39.159
<v Speaker 1>come on, I've seen compliance. Not that that shows it either,

1867
01:37:39.239 --> 01:37:42.800
<v Speaker 1>but that felt worse. M No, but Bulling Toys was

1868
01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:45.399
<v Speaker 1>a very cool, very cool movie, very cool again and

1869
01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:48.399
<v Speaker 1>it's like it is a horror kind of thriller stuff,

1870
01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:51.479
<v Speaker 1>but it's also very like it's funny along the way.

1871
01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:53.479
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't try to be just one genre. It tries

1872
01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>to like kind of be fun with it cool. Strange, Darling, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>when that comes out on already watched it. Strange. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>even read into it unless you know the better. This

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<v Speaker 1>is literally a spoiler if you know one thing, like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an amazing movie. We view that movie took. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a show strange. Listen to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you seen Cuckoo?

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<v Speaker 1>I did say Cuckoo?

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<v Speaker 3>What did you think was good?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was good, not great? Though, where's Cuckoo

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<v Speaker 1>on here?

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<v Speaker 2>Damn?

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<v Speaker 3>That's out now too? We want to rent that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you know what, that's so funny. I never added

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<v Speaker 1>Cuckoo to my list of things I watched.

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<v Speaker 3>M Have you seen have you heard about this? Milk

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<v Speaker 3>and Cereal?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that?

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<v Speaker 3>Did I text you about it? Milk and Cereal? It's

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<v Speaker 3>a movie on YouTube. It was done for like eight

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<v Speaker 3>hundred bucks. And you know now they're saying this kid

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<v Speaker 3>who directed, he's a comedian, he's a comedy. He made

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<v Speaker 3>it big on YouTube with comedy skits, but now he's

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<v Speaker 3>into directing horror short films and things for YouTube and

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<v Speaker 3>Milk and Cereal. It was really fucking good for eight

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<v Speaker 3>hundred bucks fro an eight hundred dollars budget with these

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<v Speaker 3>guys were able to pull off. And now, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>it's got the attention of like everybody people in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they're milk and cereal and it's cereal like

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<v Speaker 3>Serial Killer with s c R I A L.

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<v Speaker 1>Milk Cereal. Mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's very good. It's very good. Watch our

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<v Speaker 3>our ish that goes back quick? Oh well everything htes

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, Jesus take the wheel.

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<v Speaker 1>I see demons.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna let's start there. Okay, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Five was that n this cage and gone sixty seconds?

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<v Speaker 3>Well I can see him he's doing something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he doesn't. Gone second, Let's do this, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go or something like that. Five four three two
