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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Thanksgiving week here in the United States. So

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<v Speaker 3>happy Thanksgiving from your friends at Destiny Earth Ancients and

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<v Speaker 3>the special edition of Earth Ancients that we hear about occasionally.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hope you have a chance to be with

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<v Speaker 3>your family and your friends during this festive occasion. And

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<v Speaker 3>it really is the beginning of the holiday season, the

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas holiday season or Hanukkah. And you know, we're thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about the good year. We've had, the positive interactions, the

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<v Speaker 3>new friends, and you know, giving thanks for all the

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<v Speaker 3>good things that have happened. Hey, this is Cliff, your

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<v Speaker 3>host of Destiny. And you know, as we settle into winter,

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<v Speaker 3>not quite render yet. Winter is December twenty first, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's getting cooler and the sun's going down earlier. I

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<v Speaker 3>have to be very careful now because I need to

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<v Speaker 3>get out at least three or four times a week

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<v Speaker 3>for a little hike. So if I if I wait

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<v Speaker 3>longer than like three o'clock, the sun's is dark at five.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got to get out early. And so that's

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<v Speaker 3>critical to get some fresh air, at least for me,

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<v Speaker 3>a guy who sits on his posterior for hours at

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<v Speaker 3>a time, producing podcasts, editing podcasts and getting the word

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<v Speaker 3>out about our guests. So anyway, happy Thanksgiving and on

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<v Speaker 3>where we go. The program today is another in the

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<v Speaker 3>series of tools for transformation, and I wanted you guys

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<v Speaker 3>to hear exactly the importance of acupuncture and traditional Chinese

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<v Speaker 3>medicine as a complimentary healing tool when you are unwell,

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<v Speaker 3>all feeling unbalanced, or perhaps depressed and filled with anxiety.

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<v Speaker 3>And these are all normal conditions that we have in

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<v Speaker 3>our fast paced Western society. You know, if you're working

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, you're not listening to your body, and

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<v Speaker 3>you can get you can get run down, you can

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<v Speaker 3>get fatigued, you can have little aches and pains, you

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<v Speaker 3>can have migraines. There's a million different problems that you

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<v Speaker 3>can deal with. And as a complimentary medicine, traditional Chinese

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<v Speaker 3>medicine is a wonderful alternative to taking a drug or

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<v Speaker 3>depending on aspirins or painkillers. It's a subtle, holistic way

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<v Speaker 3>to help ease your discomfort, ease the pain, and kind

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<v Speaker 3>of help you move back into equilibrium, which is feeling better,

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<v Speaker 3>having more energy, and reducing the aches and pains. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really blessed with my current acupunctures. His name is

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<v Speaker 3>John Cooco. We've had John on about three years ago

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the traditional Chinese medicine, but today we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to dig into it, and I'm gonna have him give

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<v Speaker 3>you an explanation for why it's so powerful. Why our

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<v Speaker 3>ancestors not a few thousands years ago, five plus thousands

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<v Speaker 3>years ago, incorporated these healing methods into their everyday activities,

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<v Speaker 3>not when they got sick, but more likely when they

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<v Speaker 3>were sensing that they were coming up on potential physical problem,

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps the flu, other conditions that required some attention. It

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<v Speaker 3>know that, and we'll hear about more about this today.

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<v Speaker 3>That not only has acupuncture been around for thousands of years,

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't rely solely on the wisdom of the Chinese.

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<v Speaker 3>They have found mummies with various tattoos that are acupuncture points,

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<v Speaker 3>and we don't really know what that means. It might

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<v Speaker 3>mean that this person has a condition and these are

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<v Speaker 3>markers that need to be adjusted and attended to for

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<v Speaker 3>them to remain pain free, illness free, or whatever. Acupuncture

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<v Speaker 3>is extremely sophisticated, and it has to do with chi,

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<v Speaker 3>the energy that surrounds us, but it's also in our body.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is what's really fascinating, the meridians of the body.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about the lay lines of the Earth, these

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<v Speaker 3>energy fields, these energy highways. The body has meridians like

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<v Speaker 3>the meridians like the Earth, but they are throughout the body,

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<v Speaker 3>from the top of the head all the way to

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<v Speaker 3>the body of your feet, and it's a super energy

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<v Speaker 3>highway that runs.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the body.

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<v Speaker 3>When you manipulate these meridians with needles, with massage, with

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<v Speaker 3>certain other types of therapy, you trigger healing, You trigger

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<v Speaker 3>greater awareness, You trigger hormonal releases and other fantastic physical

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<v Speaker 3>manifestations that your body is not only desires, but actually

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<v Speaker 3>can use for healing. And this is why these traditional

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<v Speaker 3>healing techniques, although they're not really well accepted by the

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<v Speaker 3>traditional medical allopathic community, they have more long the effects

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<v Speaker 3>are much more long term and beneficial without taking a drug,

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<v Speaker 3>without having to be surgically treated for surgery or radiation

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. And once you hear our program today, I

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<v Speaker 3>really recommend that you consider visiting your local acupunctures and

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<v Speaker 3>if not, then perhaps if you're interested in alternative healing techniques,

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps look into it a little bit by going to

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<v Speaker 3>your Google search and punching in acupuncture benefits. Acupuncture is

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<v Speaker 3>not only old thousands of years old, it looks to

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<v Speaker 3>be powerful healing technique. And I go in once a

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<v Speaker 3>month for what I call a routine checkup, and so

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<v Speaker 3>they'll John will check me and then we'll get on

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<v Speaker 3>a table and I'll have my acupuncture treatment, which concludes

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<v Speaker 3>with a short massage. And I got to tell you,

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<v Speaker 3>once I have that, my week just runs better. The

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<v Speaker 3>rest of the month until my next appointment just flows,

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<v Speaker 3>just flows a lot better. So today's program is Meridians Acupuncture,

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<v Speaker 3>an old world, forgotten medicine. And my guest is John coco.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey.

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<v Speaker 3>The seventh annual Grand Egyptian Tour is coming up. We

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<v Speaker 3>have Mohammad and Nohah by him with us. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be visiting Tennis, Egypt, which is very very old.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know what happened there. It looks like a

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<v Speaker 3>catastrophic event happened. It has megalithic structures, statues, and some

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<v Speaker 3>large pieces strewed around Muhammad. What do we know about tennis?

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<v Speaker 3>What makes it so unique?

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<v Speaker 4>What we know about tennis unfortunately so little, but it

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<v Speaker 4>is so little incompiliar with the importance and the greatness

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<v Speaker 4>of Tennis, but for us it is very high level

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<v Speaker 4>of information. Number one, what we know that Tennis was

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<v Speaker 4>a great center of knowledge in Incia issupt.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the big city.

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<v Speaker 4>Receiving all the travelers and immigrants and visitors to Egypt

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<v Speaker 4>from the northeast part of they come across Sinai. The

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<v Speaker 4>second thing about Tennis that there was a massive size

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<v Speaker 4>tembile or I can call it big town. We call

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<v Speaker 4>it temble dedicated to Amonra. This temble or this village,

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<v Speaker 4>if I can call it this way, was completely built

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<v Speaker 4>out of rose granite. From one You know what people

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<v Speaker 4>don't know that there was more than twelve obelisks in Tennis,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe more, but the remains some of them still in

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<v Speaker 4>good condition, but all of them are laying on the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>The one they took it to the Grand Museum, the

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<v Speaker 4>one in front of the main gate of the Grand

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<v Speaker 4>Museum is from Tennis, and the one in Tarry Square

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<v Speaker 4>now is from Tennis. So there are about ten obelisks

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<v Speaker 4>or eight obelisks still there at Tennis. So the story

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<v Speaker 4>is very strange because we expected even if the temple

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<v Speaker 4>was in bad condition. We expected more ruins to see

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<v Speaker 4>more cat ORed blocks, but we found only few. But

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<v Speaker 4>we found the biggest. By the way, there are remains

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<v Speaker 4>of blocks weighing more than two hundred ton and three

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<v Speaker 4>hundred toon we found the foot of a statue. According

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<v Speaker 4>to the dimension of the foot, the statue would be

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<v Speaker 4>more more than fifteen hundred ton.

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<v Speaker 2>The foot is like a car size. Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so we don't know what happened exactly. It must

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<v Speaker 4>be something very strong hit tennis and hit that temple

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<v Speaker 4>and it causes it caused great damage, like great exublusion

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<v Speaker 4>happened inside the temple and caused that all the pieces

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<v Speaker 4>are scattered on a distance maybe like three or four

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<v Speaker 4>kilometers wide.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>When people go to tennis, they're going to feel the

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<v Speaker 4>magic and they feel the dips of the history of tennis.

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<v Speaker 3>Coman join us. It's gonna be April twenty eight through

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<v Speaker 3>May tenth. For all the details and the itinerary, go

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<v Speaker 3>to Earth Ancients dot com Forward Slash Tours. It's been

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<v Speaker 3>a while since we had John Coco on the program.

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<v Speaker 3>He is the owner of Coca Wellness in Berkeley. He

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<v Speaker 3>is my acupuncturist, he's excellent, and we want to continue

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<v Speaker 3>on with our theme of tools for transformation, because we're

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<v Speaker 3>all fixated with allopathy, which is your traditional i should say,

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<v Speaker 3>conventional doctor and in that environment, and I want to

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<v Speaker 3>expand on the acupuncture process and what it means when

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<v Speaker 3>you go to a traditional Chinese medical doctor, the benefits

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<v Speaker 3>of it, and perhaps more details that will make you

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<v Speaker 3>understand why so many people find it just the way

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<v Speaker 3>to go. So, hey, John, good to see it. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for joining me again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an honor. Thanks brother.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk a little bit about your background when you decided

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<v Speaker 3>to become a acupuncturist. What was the motivation for you

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<v Speaker 3>to do this kind of work?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's that could take a long time. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the short version, oh man. Okay. The short version is

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<v Speaker 2>I traveled and met medicine people along the Silk Road.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, but did a Fiji in Australia walk about,

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<v Speaker 2>and in Fiji I met a medicine man who told

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<v Speaker 2>me I was a healer. And I could go into

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<v Speaker 2>that in depth, but basically, there are people who can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what you should be doing, and sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>just need to listen. So family comes from healers. Different

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of healers, herbal healers, spirit healers. And they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>me to be a white coat doctor or a preacher,

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<v Speaker 2>and they wanted me to go into seminary and h yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, you know, and the spirit calls you, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to listen. So then I got into traveling around

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<v Speaker 2>and chasing volcanoes and finally found the Big Island. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I got to the island, I was home. I

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<v Speaker 2>found my fire. Wow. And so now I'm here in Berkeley, California,

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out with you. Very cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I've been with John I think at least

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<v Speaker 3>three years, maybe more, and he's a miracle worker when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to all kinds of health conditions. When we

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<v Speaker 3>speak about the history of acupuncture or traditional chin medicine

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<v Speaker 3>as a whole, how old is is acupuncture? How how

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<v Speaker 3>far back does it go?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Wow? Okay, So let's let's just theoretical, because maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I was there, maybe you were there, but we're just guessing, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is from documented evidence. So the first question

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<v Speaker 2>is how old is medicine itself? Right the beginning of time,

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<v Speaker 2>people start breaking bones, burns, you know, in caves. So

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<v Speaker 2>I would say formal acupuncture. Is that what you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about like Pudney.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean what we think of traditional Chinese medicine.

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<v Speaker 3>I read, you know, different aspects. Some people say it's

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five hundred years old, some people say it's five

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<v Speaker 3>thousand years old, and yeah, I'm just curious, what are

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<v Speaker 3>your what is your feeling on? When the what the

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<v Speaker 3>inception when someone began to discover these meridians that we're

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<v Speaker 2>Well, uh, there's a a master of Japanese acccuncture named

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<v Speaker 2>Shoodo Denme, and his idea is that the people who

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<v Speaker 2>were seamstresses putting needles through thread on people to actually

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<v Speaker 2>fit their clothes right. So someone actually probably punctured someplace

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<v Speaker 2>on the body and someone felt a nerve sensation, achieved sensation,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they started paying attention to that. That's one idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Another idea is that people were already seeing these channels,

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<v Speaker 2>these lines and so energy lines, and there's certain people

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<v Speaker 2>who can do that. It's very rare. I know, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just full disclosure. One time I tried doing some mushrooms

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<v Speaker 2>and I could see these channels and mainly because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing this work twelve hours a day. But it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>were there were no distractions, and you grew up this

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<v Speaker 2>these subtle energy lines, right, and so it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>for that. It was it was plain as day. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there are other ideas such as the points came first,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you have these acupuncture points first, before needles,

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<v Speaker 2>there were actually maxa or scarring techniques. So we were

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<v Speaker 2>in the cave. Going back to the cave, and basically

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<v Speaker 2>you're caterizing different areas where there's a lot of pain. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh the pain went away. Hum hmm. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's an idea, right, I mean, that's that's pretty primal,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think that's legitimate. We also know that there

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<v Speaker 2>what's his name, the the ice man. He had tattoo

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<v Speaker 3>He had markets for what could be acupuncture points. So

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<v Speaker 3>what of that marketunc points he's thought to be He

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<v Speaker 3>thought he's about to be three or four thousand years old, back.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy at least, yeah, at least. And this is not

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<v Speaker 2>So basically I don't think that China can take claim

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<v Speaker 2>to own this or to have started this. However, we

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<v Speaker 2>do know that the Egyptians, you know, we're doing piercings

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<v Speaker 2>They were doing surgery. They were doing cataract surgery at

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<v Speaker 2>least five thousand years ago. So I believe that this

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<v Speaker 2>is at least five thousand years old. And it took

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<v Speaker 2>until about twenty two hundred BC when they started writing

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff down, compiling it's that's written. We have this evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>the Lingshu, all these points. Everything has been documented, organized analyzed,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's at least twenty two hundred years old,

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<v Speaker 2>but the oral history is much older.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're saying that the documents that we see of

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<v Speaker 3>on the body, that's about that's that shows up about

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<v Speaker 2>Now about two hundred BC is when it was written

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<v Speaker 2>and compiled in the Qin dynasty. You've heard of the

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<v Speaker 2>saw that, Jong Emo and a great movie has jet

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<v Speaker 2>lie in there, right, and basically it's all under heaven. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So there were these warring states periods and they were

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<v Speaker 2>fighting for hundreds of years, centuries, and finally there was

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<v Speaker 2>also burned a lot of the histories, but also compiled

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the science and a lot of that

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<v Speaker 2>was put into these texts. So we have evidence from

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<v Speaker 2>the Malongdi tombs, we have we have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>evidence from that time period that this medicine is at

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<v Speaker 2>least twenty two hundred years old.

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<v Speaker 3>And when they were documenting the techniques, what was the

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<v Speaker 3>application for all illnesses or were there specific illnesses it

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<v Speaker 3>was good for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know people come to us mainly for pain, right, right, pain,

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<v Speaker 2>stressed neurological disorders, kind of cological disorders, et cetera. But

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<v Speaker 2>back then, you know, this was the cutting edge medicine, right,

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<v Speaker 2>this was state sponsored medicine. I mean like they would

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<v Speaker 2>get the smartest people in all the lands, have them

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<v Speaker 2>basically go through tests and find out who were going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the ones to treat the emperor. Right. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the stuff that's written in these texts. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was used for everything. And remember acupuncture is only one

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<v Speaker 2>of the eight branches of Chinese medicine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, give us the full spectrum. It's acupuncture, herbs, bodywork.

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<v Speaker 2>What else? Right? So the first three or the heaven

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<v Speaker 2>heavenly branches, right, So there's meditation, there's diet and movement diet, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so those three are the most important because if

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<v Speaker 2>you actually can do those things, you don't need anything external. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>If you meditate, if you have the right attitude, if

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<v Speaker 2>you are someone who eats in harmony with seasons, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't eat too much of anything or too little of anything, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you move with the chi that you're in the

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<v Speaker 2>field that you're in and you keep circulating your blood

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<v Speaker 2>your chi, then you'll live a long, full life. So

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<v Speaker 2>those are the top three, and those are three things

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<v Speaker 2>that you can learn by yourself anywhere. You can go

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<v Speaker 2>to YouTube right now, or you can find a teacher,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can just walk in nature and just know

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<v Speaker 2>that it's in your DNA, right, So those are the

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<v Speaker 2>top three. Then there's functue and astrology. And what's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>is functue, which is not something that's really like in

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<v Speaker 2>the purview of a lot of Westerners, but it's just

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<v Speaker 2>part of life for people in Asia, right. This is

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<v Speaker 2>environmental medicine. And what we need to think of is

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<v Speaker 2>how do we survive and thrive with other beings in

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<v Speaker 2>harmony and how do we flow so we don't waste

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<v Speaker 2>our time and energy, right, And that's how you live

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<v Speaker 2>a full life. If you're a candle that burns too fast,

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<v Speaker 2>you know your wax that just spills out right makes

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk a little bit more about this when we

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<v Speaker 2>go out. I can show you some of the functual

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<v Speaker 2>of our clinic. And then astrology, which I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of your viewers listeners are really into I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Of course, if you ask some scientists, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>say it's just random variables, and people want to believe

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<v Speaker 2>what they want to with biases, right. However, I really

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<v Speaker 2>believe that it's important to look at the big cycles,

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<v Speaker 2>the cosmic cycles, right, not just the individual cycles. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at, for instance, the Chinese zodiac cycle,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the snake gear this year, right, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people, i'm sure have gone through a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of internal work sloughing off a lot of the shadow stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 2>unveiling what's underneath the surface, right when we mold this

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<v Speaker 2>this skin. So that's that's a Jupiter twelve year cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>And it also coincides this year with a I think

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<v Speaker 2>a big solar flare cycle as well. So it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a very intense, intense year. We just had a G

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<v Speaker 2>four storm last week, right, So you know, these things

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<v Speaker 2>all matter and they influence us. So ninety nine nine

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<v Speaker 2>percent of who we are is from the Sun, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and the rest is from this planet, and we just

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<v Speaker 2>don't give that enough credit, right, So that's FUNCTU. And

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<v Speaker 2>then if you keep going through that, so those are

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<v Speaker 2>things that we all share. Then we go to the

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<v Speaker 2>personal stuff. Right. So we've done five branches. The other

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<v Speaker 2>three other things you think of when you come and

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<v Speaker 2>you pay money to see someone like me, Right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the body work, that's the herbs, right right. And so

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<v Speaker 2>basically the acupuncture is the lowest branch. So the branch

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<v Speaker 2>that is most invasive is acupuncture, which is actually very

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<v Speaker 2>un non invasive. We barely put these needles in people.

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<v Speaker 2>And what we're doing is we're guiding chi through the body.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just speaking to the body and reminding it that

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<v Speaker 2>actually there's something there that could be internally released or tonefied, nourished,

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<v Speaker 2>stimulated in order for there to be harmony and balance

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<v Speaker 2>in the body.

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<v Speaker 3>Find to find chi, John, What I mean this is

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<v Speaker 3>a huge thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? What is chi? And how do you manipulate it? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>These questions?

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<v Speaker 3>I told you, I told you to be ready, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So the best way for me to explain

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<v Speaker 2>she she is functional, she is relationship. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So I'm just gonna show you right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's turn this around, all right, So this is a

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<v Speaker 2>tests have been and you see that steam coming out, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's chi from the right, from the teapot, that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see that that's that's that fire, that's young.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see the water in there, yes, fire underneath water.

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<v Speaker 2>Great chi. Okay, So we drink a lot of tea

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<v Speaker 2>here you can see right here. That'll be the next

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<v Speaker 2>time we talk. And actually I should drink some tea.

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<v Speaker 2>So what does she Chi is like steam engine energy?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, what happened was a long time

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<v Speaker 2>ago in eighteen hundred's. These French guys, they they were

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<v Speaker 2>introduced to acupuncture and Chinese medicine and energy medicine. It

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<v Speaker 2>was really popular at the time, so that was the language.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what they do is they translated chi into energy.

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<v Speaker 2>It made the most sense. Okay, But she is more

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<v Speaker 2>than that. And that's what I mean by that because actually,

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<v Speaker 2>if you see the character of chi, it's it's actually this,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the steam that's cooked coming off cooking rice. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So when you think about that, it's it's it's invisible,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also visible. You saw the steam.

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<v Speaker 3>It is like life force. Would you say, like life

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<v Speaker 3>force of the body.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh So, Prana you know numa prana. These are very

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<v Speaker 2>similar terms, right right, And yes it does enliven activate

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<v Speaker 2>our own our own processes so that we can keep

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<v Speaker 2>living for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Okay, Now I want to jump into the meridians

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<v Speaker 3>because this is a huge part of the traditional Chinese

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<v Speaker 3>medicine practice, and we know that the earth has meridians.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not necessarily accepted by traditional archaeologists, but if you

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<v Speaker 3>current Egyptians, they know about it because it was handed

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<v Speaker 3>down to them. The meridians are the body are an

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<v Speaker 3>energy super highway. Talk about the meridians just for a second.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us about the meridians and why they're important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I like what you said, super highway of

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<v Speaker 2>the body, right, Okay, So there are also these blue lines,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, those little roads that are on the map, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Those are also channels too. There are so many different

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<v Speaker 2>ways for that she that steamed that I just showed

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<v Speaker 2>you for that to travel through the body, and it

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<v Speaker 2>travels through open spaces. Those open spaces could be vast

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<v Speaker 2>blood vessels, it could be interstitial tissue, could be factial lines,

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<v Speaker 2>It could be through the nerves, right, It could be

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<v Speaker 2>through any space where there's an opening, and as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're mostly empty space. Right. What you're seeing right now,

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm seeing you know, these it's just like electrons

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<v Speaker 2>separated by almost an infinite amount of space. But basically

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<v Speaker 2>she runs through all that and it also activates it.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start actually with feel old sort of stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So the first thing is that these channels are not

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<v Speaker 2>like two dimensional things that you see on a chart.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can see that they look like straight lines. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked a little bit about this because what I

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<v Speaker 2>think inspired this conversation was us talking about lay lines, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also controversial because no proven them. However, there

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<v Speaker 2>have been a lot of there's a lot of evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a lot of electromagnetic energy in these sacred

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<v Speaker 2>spaces and also in mountains Haleakala, you know, Maui, the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Island. I used to live on the Big Island.

417
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<v Speaker 2>These these five mount volcanoes have an enormous amount of

418
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<v Speaker 2>energy that are coming to the surface. Right. One of them, Kilauea,

419
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 2>is spewing right now. It's extremely active, and you know

420
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.359
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of energy there. It's obvious, right, So

421
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing there that there are these nodes

422
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 2>or points in the body where a lot of energy

423
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>is coming up. And we can see this obviously in

424
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.119
<v Speaker 2>places people go. They go to the Himalayas. There's a

425
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of ideas that potentially the Atlanteans when the floods happened,

426
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 2>they went to the highest places in the world to

427
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 2>keep this information alive, right, Rudolph Seiner said that, And

428
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>so basically we have you know, all these places, the

429
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Nasca lines, you know, these these places where people have

430
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 2>actually created these huge I mean for they've they've worked

431
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.640
<v Speaker 2>on these for decades and even centuries. Yeah, and why

432
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 2>like why in these spaces? Why did they carry those

433
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:53.599
<v Speaker 2>those huge stones to Stonehenge? Right? Like why that's space? Right?

434
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>So absolutely, what we're doing is we're mapping what's happening

435
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 2>outside of us, what we can see outside of us,

436
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:07.319
<v Speaker 2>also with what's inside of us. And basically there are

437
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.319
<v Speaker 2>going back because you're talking about ancient times. There are

438
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>names of these points that are all geographic. And as

439
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:21.599
<v Speaker 2>an example, bladder sixty, which is on the ankle, it's

440
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<v Speaker 2>close to the lateral malliolas and that's called kunlan Okay.

441
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>So Kunland sacred mystical mountains in a western part of China.

442
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<v Speaker 2>Did you say.

443
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<v Speaker 3>Bladder at the ankle, so you would put a needle

444
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 3>in that meridian that would affect the bladder.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Actually, that's true, it's so wow. Yeah, so basically the

446
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:48.599
<v Speaker 2>whole body. You said, a super super highway, like a

447
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 2>super conductive highway. But we have these channels that run

448
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 2>through I'm sure everyone has seen these acupuncturer charts. And

449
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 2>what we can do is we can actually work the

450
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<v Speaker 2>extra to work the internal. And that was the genius

451
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 2>of the ancients, was that they were saying, do less harm, right,

452
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.119
<v Speaker 2>do no harm, to do the most, do the most

453
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.480
<v Speaker 2>that you can from the outside to work the inside.

454
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>So you don't have to surgically invade somebody because you

455
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 2>actually do harm when you do that right. It's like

456
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<v Speaker 2>if I had a teapot and I cracked it right now,

457
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:32.880
<v Speaker 2>that crack is going to be there the whole time.

458
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Even if I fix it, even if I try to,

459
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, glue it together, put gold on it, whatever,

460
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>that crack is still there.

461
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<v Speaker 3>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

462
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 3>our sponsors to identify themselves and will return shortly with

463
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<v Speaker 3>my guest today, John Coco, discussing ancient medicine traditions and acupuncture.

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<v Speaker 3>Will be right back. My guest today is John Coco.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a Chinese medicine doctor who specializes in a

466
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<v Speaker 3>variety of ailments and health concerns. He is located in Berkeley, California,

467
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:55.760
<v Speaker 3>and he is he's describing today the history of traditional

468
00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Chinese medicine and acupuncture. Is it disrupting the energy, John,

469
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<v Speaker 3>Is that what it is? It's like fractures the energy

470
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<v Speaker 3>when you cut something open like that.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Absolutely. There's there's emotional trauma, there's karma trauma, and

472
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>there's also physical trauma. Right, So we try not to

473
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.159
<v Speaker 2>hurt people at all. And that's what's amazing about acupuncture

474
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and Chinese medicine is first, do no harm, right, and

475
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.159
<v Speaker 2>that goes back to Hippocrates, right, So if you can

476
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.000
<v Speaker 2>do not do anything that is going to actually make

477
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the patient worse, right in the long run, Okay, because

478
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 2>maybe they'll get over it if they're twenty years old

479
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 2>and they're you know, a soldier, if they're an athlete,

480
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:44.880
<v Speaker 2>But when they're fifty sixty, that's when they actually see

481
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>that right unravel. So let's go back to Kunland bladder

482
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.480
<v Speaker 2>sixty and this point, for instance, is named after the

483
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.639
<v Speaker 2>most one of the most sacred mountain ranges in China.

484
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.119
<v Speaker 2>It's a mystical looks like a big snake that runs

485
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.320
<v Speaker 2>through right the land, and there are hundreds of mountains actually,

486
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:08.039
<v Speaker 2>so why that one, right, We have all of these

487
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>points that are actually named after different areas that are

488
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 2>geographic rivers valleys. As an example, this really famous point here.

489
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<v Speaker 2>You know this L four which is used for headaches.

490
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you know that point? No, it's right here. It's

491
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:31.760
<v Speaker 2>it's right between the thumb and the index finger. Okay, okay,

492
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:35.199
<v Speaker 2>very famous for headaches. Other pain too, Okay, it could

493
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>be used for gynecological pain, mestural pain. And that one's

494
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>called joining valley, right, and so Hogu. So basically all

495
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:50.400
<v Speaker 2>of these points are they're named after these geographical sort

496
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:55.199
<v Speaker 2>of spatial areas externally. But the thing is that the

497
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Chinese didn't see a difference between our bodies and the

498
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.599
<v Speaker 2>landscape outside of us. We are part of nature, we're

499
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.960
<v Speaker 2>one with nature, right, and that the names of nature

500
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>items exactly right. And so that's the beauty of it

501
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>is actually seeing that what health really is is being

502
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 2>in harmony with nature, including space and time, especially the

503
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:24.360
<v Speaker 2>seasonal changes. Right, So people get sick, especially when the

504
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 2>seasons change. We saw this the last few weeks, right, Yeah,

505
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:32.159
<v Speaker 2>colds and stuff when cold damp, Right, we said arthritis.

506
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.119
<v Speaker 2>That creates a lot of arthritis, a lot of allergy

507
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. Cold, all this comes out all the

508
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 2>old stuff. Right. If you had an old back pain, right,

509
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, it's like, oops, out that came back.

510
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Why did they come back? I didn't do anything. It's

511
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 2>the seasonal shift. And so that's again when there's a

512
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>crack in the pot, that'll show up when there's condensation, right,

513
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 2>when there's when there's any different kind of shift, that's

514
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.239
<v Speaker 2>that's stress is what causes the pain. And so the

515
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 2>pain is just telling your body, Hey, you know what,

516
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 2>there's something to deal with here. It's not a bad thing. Yeah,

517
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 2>it just means you're not actually changing flowing with the season.

518
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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny to hear.

519
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<v Speaker 3>What you're saying, because if you look at the conventional

520
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:22.920
<v Speaker 3>medicine approach to problem areas of the body, they're like, Okay,

521
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:24.559
<v Speaker 3>we got to cover this up. We're going to give

522
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.039
<v Speaker 3>you a drug so you have less pain, but not

523
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:33.719
<v Speaker 3>necessarily address the causation, but maybe the causation. It's it's

524
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:37.159
<v Speaker 3>just so different when I think of what you do

525
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 3>and compared to my Kaiser physician, who's a great guy,

526
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.320
<v Speaker 3>but their training is to to cover up stuff with

527
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:48.719
<v Speaker 3>potent drugs that are toxic.

528
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean sometimes you need that, you know,

529
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.320
<v Speaker 2>as an example of there's structural impingement and there's something

530
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.280
<v Speaker 2>that I can't do you know anything about that? Right?

531
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:08.159
<v Speaker 2>If you have a major bulging disc, right, you need

532
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 2>some painkillers. You don't want to walk around with that

533
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense. You

534
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.280
<v Speaker 2>need surgery if it's really bad.

535
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.199
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, there's benefits to all the different practices, but

536
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying it's just much more challenging when you're

537
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.239
<v Speaker 3>taking a very strong drug.

538
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Yeah. Well, the problem is this is that you know,

539
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>when we say what western medicine were allopathic medicine, you

540
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:35.480
<v Speaker 2>know this contemporary modern medicine, it's only been around for

541
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:39.280
<v Speaker 2>one hundred fifty years. Yeah, you know, so think about

542
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.719
<v Speaker 2>that a point. That's a really good point. Yeah, and

543
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:44.280
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty years ago or so, the reason

544
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 2>why they're the primary medicine we're using in America is

545
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.000
<v Speaker 2>because they actually went out and tried to exterminate all

546
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the other different kinds of modalities out there. If you

547
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>look at the history of it, the eclectics, the natural paths,

548
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.599
<v Speaker 2>the homeopaths, right, the osteopaths, the chiropractors.

549
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Why were they trying to eliminate the other ones?

550
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Just it's called a big business. It's called oh capitalism, profits, profits, Yeah,

551
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 2>that's right. I'm maybe on again show with this. I'm

552
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.320
<v Speaker 2>just telling the history. This is a fact. Yeah, everyone

553
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.480
<v Speaker 2>could read this, but basically that's that's what dominated and

554
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:24.599
<v Speaker 2>they won. Okay, so you know, now ostiopaths work in hospitals, right,

555
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Chiropractors are seen as quacks according to the allopaths. You know,

556
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:32.280
<v Speaker 2>they don't like them. So acupunctions, we don't. We don't

557
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:36.679
<v Speaker 2>fight with the alipaths. We actually do allopathic type of medicine, right,

558
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.280
<v Speaker 2>and so you know, we haven't so far had any

559
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:42.039
<v Speaker 2>problems with them. But homeopaths are quacks right because they

560
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:45.679
<v Speaker 2>do the law of similars and mentetismals. Right. Yeah, you

561
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.679
<v Speaker 2>see what I'm saying. It's like there's not enough room

562
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:53.039
<v Speaker 2>in this this allopathic world for other types of modalities

563
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 2>or even other kinds of thinking, right, the mactricity thinking.

564
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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean, I think of acupuncture, your traditional Chinese

565
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 3>medicine as complementary, yes to the altopathic. I mean, and

566
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:11.440
<v Speaker 3>I think more people should be thinking of it like that.

567
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 3>But I don't want to spend a lot of time

568
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.960
<v Speaker 3>on that because we can we can talk forever about that.

569
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<v Speaker 3>How did they manage to discover all these points on

570
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:28.719
<v Speaker 3>the body and and relate them to earth features? Which

571
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.119
<v Speaker 3>is just mind blowing because how many points are there?

572
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Joints? More than a thousand? Yeah, so there's a saying

573
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.440
<v Speaker 2>that every place in the body is a point. Okay,

574
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<v Speaker 2>However there are nodes right, just like in music, right

575
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<v Speaker 2>when you when you have a certain like a guitar

576
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.400
<v Speaker 2>and you you play you know, the third, the fifth,

577
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 2>it sounds different right on an octave. So basically we

578
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:57.880
<v Speaker 2>have I'm going to turn this around just to show

579
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<v Speaker 2>you a chart here, oh your chart? Yeah right, okay,

580
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<v Speaker 2>So these are different types of microsystems, right, here's scalp.

581
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<v Speaker 2>This is the hand, and then this is the ear.

582
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<v Speaker 2>And what's really interesting is when it comes to ear acupuncture.

583
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Is this is an inverted fetus. Okay, So here's the head, right,

584
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and then you got the feet up here in any

585
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.960
<v Speaker 2>of the internal organs, okay, all of these have been

586
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 2>mapped scientifically proven that if you stimulate this point, it

587
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:40.599
<v Speaker 2>also has a correspondence with the internal organ and tissue. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what's really interesting about this is that traditionally in

589
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.760
<v Speaker 2>China they had some of these mapped out, but they

590
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:49.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't have all of them mapped out. And it was

591
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 2>a French medical doctor named Nogier who actually created this map. Wow, okay,

592
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.159
<v Speaker 2>and you just saw it and you know this is

593
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>pretty cool, right, But there are a lot of systems

594
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 2>is Chinese, French, German, so it's not just one system.

595
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:10.039
<v Speaker 2>So this is this is a holographic image of what's

596
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.119
<v Speaker 2>happening inside our whole body. And we have at least

597
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 2>thirty two of these, which we call monclises, right, little

598
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 2>little areas of the body that represent the whole like

599
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.039
<v Speaker 2>a fractal body. You know, you guys know a lot

600
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 2>about fractals, because I'm sure you're your listeners are really

601
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.280
<v Speaker 2>into physics, right and so yeah, but basically what is

602
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<v Speaker 2>above is what is below what is within is what

603
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<v Speaker 2>is without, and it's all archetypal. So let me turn

604
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:46.400
<v Speaker 2>this around here.

605
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<v Speaker 3>So is the is the meridian flowing like this cheat

606
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<v Speaker 3>energy like a liquid or is it like electricity can

607
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.079
<v Speaker 3>be compared to electricity?

608
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so let's let's let's go past electricity and we'll

609
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<v Speaker 2>start talking about fields, okay, because we know about electromagnetic

610
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>magnetic fields, all right, and you know about Alex Gray,

611
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, oh, the painter. Yeah, so yeah, right, so

612
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 2>this is this is that our clinic, and we have

613
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<v Speaker 2>these up here so that people are reminded of who

614
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 2>we are. And you can see here the channels. Okay, right,

615
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:44.000
<v Speaker 2>you see some of that electricity coming off of the aura, right,

616
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 2>you see the chakras. And then here this is a

617
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 2>little beyond that. This is a third body right here.

618
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<v Speaker 2>This is what some people see, for instance on d

619
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<v Speaker 2>MT as an example. Right, So we're going from the

620
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 2>electromagnetic we're going into the more subtle energy into this

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<v Speaker 2>cosmic archetypal fortex right, And so all of this is

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<v Speaker 2>happening in everything, including this planet. And let me just

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<v Speaker 2>show you here. This is what the Chinese saw. This

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<v Speaker 2>is called an aging two and This is a copy

625
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<v Speaker 2>of something that's in the White Cloud Monastery in Beijing, right,

626
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<v Speaker 2>and you can see here this is actually the energetic

627
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 2>functional blow of chi ching Chi and shin, which is

628
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<v Speaker 2>fundamental essence. That's steam and then spirit. You can see

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<v Speaker 2>the Daoist right going up to the high mountains.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so are you saying that we're each a little

631
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<v Speaker 3>power plant of energy, like where we have our own

632
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<v Speaker 3>energy system or are we deriving it from the environment?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that powering us? Yeah? Good question. I don't think

634
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>it has to be either. War. You know, when you

635
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<v Speaker 2>eat food, what are you doing beating the engine? That's right,

636
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 2>you're putting some fuel in your body. So this is

637
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<v Speaker 2>something I say to almost everyone who comes in, especially

638
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<v Speaker 2>in the winter. Winter, no raw cold foods.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, why in the winter, no raw or cold foods,

640
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<v Speaker 3>because you want to keep the fire burning.

641
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<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah, it's that you saw that tests have

642
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<v Speaker 2>been that tea kettle. We need that steam, we need

643
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:46.320
<v Speaker 2>that heat that young. So if you're putting something that's

644
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 2>that's in the fridge, like some salad or whatever that's

645
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.159
<v Speaker 2>been in there, and you're putting that inside your body,

646
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 2>your body has to generate the energy to break that down, right,

647
00:46:56.360 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 2>So you're wasting energy. So when you put something that's

648
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 2>that's that has fire inside of it and you put

649
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that into your body, your body as a vessel becomes

650
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<v Speaker 2>a container for that energy and you generate energy. Okay,

651
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<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing if you go out to outside

652
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<v Speaker 2>and you sunbathe, or if you hug a tree, or

653
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<v Speaker 2>you go down to the ocean and you just put

654
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.199
<v Speaker 2>your like, your whole body and you immerse it into

655
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:29.559
<v Speaker 2>this incredible wave, right and all that energy goes right

656
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.400
<v Speaker 2>into you, right through you. So those are ways that

657
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you can generate energy. There's tontric sex, there's just breath work.

658
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:39.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's so many ways that you can do it.

659
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 2>And going back to sacred spots, sacred locations, those are

660
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 2>places that some people go and they stay there to

661
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>regenerate their energy, to heal sacred waters, sacred churches that

662
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<v Speaker 2>were built on pagan sites right where we say maybe

663
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:04.119
<v Speaker 2>lay lines were formed into you know, a place where

664
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<v Speaker 2>people miraculously healed. Why because all of a sudden, all

665
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<v Speaker 2>this energy went inside of them and healed them. I mean,

666
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<v Speaker 2>I do believe that. Right there are wells, there are pools,

667
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, so in Chinese medicine, when we talk about

668
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:26.639
<v Speaker 2>these channels, they're actually translated as water sort of vessels. Okay,

669
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:31.920
<v Speaker 2>places that water flows, and so let's talk a little

670
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<v Speaker 2>bit about these points. There are seventy two channels, but

671
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.199
<v Speaker 2>we look back, we look at twelve primary channels, eight

672
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 2>extraordinary channels or vessels. And in these vessels, these eight

673
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:48.920
<v Speaker 2>extraordinary vessels are much more like reservoirs. They're underneath, they're deeper,

674
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<v Speaker 2>and the primary channels are more superficial.

675
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.239
<v Speaker 3>When you say channels, you're talking about the energy flow.

676
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.360
<v Speaker 2>The meridians, Meridians. We're talking about the Meridians, right, And

677
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<v Speaker 2>so going back to all the stuff we're talking about

678
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<v Speaker 2>what she is, right, it's that steam that Yang and

679
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the yin and the intermarriage between Yang and yin creating

680
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:15.920
<v Speaker 2>this sort of steam, right, that itself flows through all

681
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.840
<v Speaker 2>of these vessels. And if there's a place that's stuck,

682
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 2>then there's this function down down that way. There's pain

683
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>because your body is trying to tell you there's something

684
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 2>there to look at. So pain is a great teacher,

685
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.960
<v Speaker 2>something wrong with it. Unless you can't you take care

686
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:33.400
<v Speaker 2>of it, then it just becomes a pain in the butt. Right.

687
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:39.440
<v Speaker 2>So going back to the field, we are this field

688
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>that is reflective of the whole the whole universe, right,

689
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:49.960
<v Speaker 2>all the fractal archetypal imagery that you see throughout the universe.

690
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.079
<v Speaker 2>And it looks like a sitting Buddha if you stand.

691
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.400
<v Speaker 2>If you stand that Buddha up, then all of a

692
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>sudden it has all these little fractal sort of things

693
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.920
<v Speaker 2>coming off it. That's part of us. To these nodes.

694
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:08.000
<v Speaker 2>They turn into our head, our arms or legs right

695
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 2>our fingers or toes, and all of these channels are

696
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 2>also they're just lines that connect with the internal part

697
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.880
<v Speaker 2>of our being into those organs. Okay, so you can

698
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<v Speaker 2>look at the channels and you can see that. You

699
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.039
<v Speaker 2>can look at the charts that just showed you. The

700
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<v Speaker 2>thing that's really interesting for me is actually that these

701
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<v Speaker 2>lay lines. I know, it was a thought of theorized

702
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<v Speaker 2>as straight lines and then that's been kind of debunked.

703
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<v Speaker 2>But actupuncture is not the same either. It actually is

704
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<v Speaker 2>more like a snake. Right.

705
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh really, they're not like straight line meritian pathways or

706
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<v Speaker 3>all over the place moving like this.

707
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, look at your body. Yeah, so if you see

708
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.960
<v Speaker 2>your body, you see the contours of the muscles, the

709
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:04.320
<v Speaker 2>fascia in between those, that's where she runs, right. Okay,

710
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:08.840
<v Speaker 2>So there's a there's a principle in functua. So in function,

711
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 2>there's this idea that things that are straight lines, energy

712
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:14.360
<v Speaker 2>goes in and out. If you ever go to a

713
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Chinese restaurant, first thing you come in, you're gonna see

714
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:19.119
<v Speaker 2>some kind of barrier maybe you know, maybe a fish

715
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:23.960
<v Speaker 2>tank or something. Why do you think that is? Okay,

716
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:27.320
<v Speaker 2>the energy to go out? Oh, you want to keep

717
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.519
<v Speaker 2>the energy in. So yeah, you people, people are bringing

718
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.599
<v Speaker 2>energy in and you want to store it and contain

719
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.920
<v Speaker 2>that energy. Ah okay, okay, So let me just show

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00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 2>you again our our clinic here. This might be demonstrative. Okay, right, okay,

721
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:54.119
<v Speaker 2>hey lala, all right, so we're kind of winding through

722
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and you can see here. Oh yeah, okay, all right,

723
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 2>so just already here all right. So this is a

724
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:07.440
<v Speaker 2>series of paintings by our friend April McMurtry, and she

725
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.400
<v Speaker 2>puts together the Moon Calendar and Moon Journal every year.

726
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:17.280
<v Speaker 2>It's my Moon Calendar, and that's what it's called. And

727
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:19.960
<v Speaker 2>if you see right here this is these are every

728
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:24.760
<v Speaker 2>month of the year and this is a calendar that's

729
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 2>depicted in a painting. And do you see the snake

730
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:31.159
<v Speaker 2>that runs through that? Yeah? Yeah, So these are different

731
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 2>snakes for different seasons and different flowers and so. And

732
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.519
<v Speaker 2>you see the al chemical triangles right right, it's really brilliant. Well,

733
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.480
<v Speaker 2>that snake right there is the same thing that's running

734
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 2>through that's the chie that's running through here. And when

735
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:53.039
<v Speaker 2>we built this place out, I brought in my friend

736
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Manya Butterworth, who's the owner of the Golden Gates School Functual,

737
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 2>and he advised us that we need it to have

738
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:04.880
<v Speaker 2>this sort of slithering effect. Yeah, and you can see

739
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.159
<v Speaker 2>that right if we went straight through, all the ergy

740
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 2>would go in and go straight out and just like

741
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 2>it be a long corridor like a tunnel. And now

742
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.440
<v Speaker 2>here you have the moongate. So half the place is

743
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.079
<v Speaker 2>on the sun's side or outside, and then we walk

744
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:27.000
<v Speaker 2>into the inside. Ay about you, there's an.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

746
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 3>our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly

747
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:42.719
<v Speaker 3>with my guest today, John Coco of the Cocoa Wellness Center,

748
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.519
<v Speaker 3>and the details on traditional Chinese medicine.

749
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:50.960
<v Speaker 2>We'll be back shortly.

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<v Speaker 1>What child is this? Who late to us on May's

751
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:24.320
<v Speaker 1>lafe is slee thing who may just green with anthem

752
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:29.599
<v Speaker 1>sweet while ship shocky.

753
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 3>My guest today is Chinese medical doctor John Coco coming

754
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.679
<v Speaker 3>to us from Berkeley, California, and we are learning about

755
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:48.440
<v Speaker 3>the history the tradition of acupuncture and how the Riadian

756
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:58.000
<v Speaker 3>system works. Yeah, I see the I see the intention.

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00:54:59.079 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 3>That's cool.

758
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:06.519
<v Speaker 2>So she is the same way, okay. Basically she runs

759
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:10.599
<v Speaker 2>not in circles but in spirals and in waves. Okay.

760
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:13.400
<v Speaker 2>And if you do chigong you know this as well.

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00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:15.400
<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm.

762
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<v Speaker 2>When you when you move like this, okay, there's flow.

763
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.840
<v Speaker 2>When you do straight line kinds of things, you get tired.

764
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:29.320
<v Speaker 2>There's resistance right right, And it's the same thing in

765
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:31.880
<v Speaker 2>politics and everything. If you if you try to do

766
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:38.559
<v Speaker 2>everything straight with in this order, there's gonna be some resistance. Yeah.

767
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:40.280
<v Speaker 2>So you got to be like a snake and you

768
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.880
<v Speaker 2>gotta flow. And that's that's actually the lesson of this year.

769
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<v Speaker 3>Expand a little bit on when you first see somebody

770
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:51.920
<v Speaker 3>and they say to you, John, I have upset stomach

771
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:56.000
<v Speaker 3>all the time. I have digestion problems. And you will

772
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.400
<v Speaker 3>hear that it's like a brief history and then you

773
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:03.000
<v Speaker 3>do what do they call it? A pulse reading? Talk

774
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 3>about that because that's really critical for you as a

775
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:11.119
<v Speaker 3>practitioners to understand what is happening, What is that? What

776
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 3>does the pulse reading determine?

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00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's a good question. So what's interesting about

778
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.679
<v Speaker 2>the diagnostics, right, is that the most complex and most

779
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:23.719
<v Speaker 2>important diagnostic that we use is actually the pulse reading.

780
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:27.840
<v Speaker 2>And why that's person to what we're talking about today,

781
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:32.559
<v Speaker 2>is that the pulse itself, that radio artery, that's another snake.

782
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:36.920
<v Speaker 2>So think about the blood flowing through there in waves,

783
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 2>right it it undulates, And what you're doing is we're

784
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:46.239
<v Speaker 2>actually writing that we're listening to the wave pattern, the waveform,

785
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:51.719
<v Speaker 2>and we're able to discern at different levels which organ systems,

786
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:57.400
<v Speaker 2>which tissues are dysfunctional, and which ones are functional right

787
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.519
<v Speaker 2>inside of a patient. And so through the microcosm of

788
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.440
<v Speaker 2>a couple of inches on both sides of the wrists,

789
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:09.079
<v Speaker 2>we can actually feel in the time and space continuum

790
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the shift in that patient at that moment.

791
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:17.679
<v Speaker 3>So talk about where you're you're placing your fingers over

792
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:23.599
<v Speaker 3>the inner part of the wrist, right right, And so

793
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:27.239
<v Speaker 3>then you're you're you're kind of moving your it's almost

794
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 3>like you're manipulating that area to get a full I

795
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:35.519
<v Speaker 3>want to just say, charge or an ability to read

796
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.639
<v Speaker 3>what's happening and what do you trying to do sense

797
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:39.559
<v Speaker 3>when you're doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you know what's interesting is that, like when

799
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<v Speaker 2>you see somebody's face, Okay, it could be a stranger,

800
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:50.840
<v Speaker 2>not even someone you know, and you know there there's

801
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:52.960
<v Speaker 2>over thirty muscles in the face, right, so when we

802
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:56.480
<v Speaker 2>see that, we can already tell Okay, this person's upset,

803
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:59.119
<v Speaker 2>they're in a good mood, they're happy, they're they're angry,

804
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:03.800
<v Speaker 2>they're free, I mean, whatever it is, right, Yeah, so

805
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:08.360
<v Speaker 2>you know that's a visual representation of what's happening in them.

806
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.280
<v Speaker 2>The Chinese actually saw they did face reading, they did

807
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:16.119
<v Speaker 2>palm reading, right, they did all these kinds of ways

808
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:21.239
<v Speaker 2>of reading the internal landscape through the outside. Again, we

809
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.000
<v Speaker 2>just talked about this. You can treat to the outside

810
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:28.199
<v Speaker 2>to work the inside, and you can also see the outside,

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00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 2>and you could listen to the outside to listen to

812
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 2>the inside. Right. So when we're feeling this radial artery,

813
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:38.159
<v Speaker 2>and then there's a lot of ideas around this one

814
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:42.960
<v Speaker 2>is that you could also do a lot of other

815
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:45.639
<v Speaker 2>kinds of diagnostics. But we were trying not to be

816
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.760
<v Speaker 2>invasive again, right, we're not trying to cut people open,

817
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.400
<v Speaker 2>we're not trying to put radiation in them. What we're

818
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.920
<v Speaker 2>doing is we want to listen to what's happening in

819
00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the most sincerely respectful way. Okay, all right, And and

820
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:03.320
<v Speaker 2>so one of those ways is can I, you know,

821
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:07.079
<v Speaker 2>listen to the pulse by your hand. Okay, you don't

822
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.639
<v Speaker 2>even have to take off any clothes, right, It's it's amazing.

823
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<v Speaker 2>And so this this goes back again twenty two hundred years.

824
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 2>It's all written right, very very very sophisticated pulse readings.

825
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:24.440
<v Speaker 2>And this is not owned by the Chinese. Okay, Galen,

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<v Speaker 2>the Roman physician, he had over one hundred kinds of

827
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:32.920
<v Speaker 2>pulse readings as well. Oh interesting, is that incredible? So

828
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:33.880
<v Speaker 2>different parties the.

829
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.280
<v Speaker 3>World has different readings, as though you're suggesting.

830
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, the Greeks, the Romans, the Arivedic practitioners in India

831
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:46.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, which later went to Tibet, you know, and

832
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.519
<v Speaker 2>the Chinese they were all doing this and we we

833
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:54.360
<v Speaker 2>have this historical evidence. Right, So again, this is not

834
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:58.440
<v Speaker 2>something that the Chinese invented. Like the Chinese didn't invent moxibustion,

835
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:02.639
<v Speaker 2>they did not invent cuppying. Right, companying comes from Africa, right,

836
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:08.360
<v Speaker 2>mock sebustion, scarring techniques are at least from eagypt and

837
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 2>before that. So I would just want everyone to look

838
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:17.320
<v Speaker 2>into their own traditions wherever they come from, and dig deep,

839
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and you'll find that we're all very similar, and we

840
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 2>all actually have almost everything that we're doing. As far

841
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:32.039
<v Speaker 2>as in Chinese medicine, there's also a precedent in Africa

842
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 2>and other parts of the world because it's that old.

843
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:41.679
<v Speaker 3>Right, So somewhere there was a foundation that spread out

844
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:44.719
<v Speaker 3>to these other parts of the world, and each country

845
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:50.199
<v Speaker 3>enhanced and improved the technique and made.

846
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:53.760
<v Speaker 2>It their own. It sounds like, yeah, well, so one

847
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:56.840
<v Speaker 2>thing that Chinese did is they again, they synthesized it.

848
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.480
<v Speaker 2>They're very good at synthesizing, keeping what works and throwing

849
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:07.199
<v Speaker 2>awaight what doesn't, right, I mean completely eliminating exactly.

850
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Hey, talk about the training that you receive to apply

851
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:19.320
<v Speaker 3>the needles to the meridians, because you don't push the

852
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:21.920
<v Speaker 3>whole needle into the arm or the leg or the body.

853
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:28.039
<v Speaker 3>It's a very light penetration. Talk about that, because that's

854
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:29.360
<v Speaker 3>really critical, isn't it.

855
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so let's go back to the principle of do

856
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:37.400
<v Speaker 2>no harm and also to do the least invasive thing

857
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:42.679
<v Speaker 2>to create the most efficacy. Right. So the style that

858
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I practiced mainly is a Japanese style that I that

859
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I studied from a few different doctors. And so the

860
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Japanese especially are very good at being efficient. Right. They're

861
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:58.280
<v Speaker 2>also the best swords people as far as well, some

862
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of them with blades, like they say, you know, they're

863
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:05.360
<v Speaker 2>famous for their their blades. And so acupuncture needles are

864
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:10.159
<v Speaker 2>like small blades, right, and so they make really good needles.

865
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:14.320
<v Speaker 2>This is what we use here. They make Oh absolutely,

866
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the needles we use are the best, and they cost

867
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:20.760
<v Speaker 2>four times more, but it's it's worth it, and their

868
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:24.639
<v Speaker 2>tensile strength is much better. They don't hurt, you know,

869
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:29.519
<v Speaker 2>So it's really important that acupuncture doesn't hurt. Okay, you

870
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:31.440
<v Speaker 2>might feel like a little sting, that's no big deal.

871
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:34.800
<v Speaker 2>But it shouldn't be sharp ever. Yeah, and if you

872
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.480
<v Speaker 2>feel like a deep achiness, that's great, there's nothing wrong

873
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:42.119
<v Speaker 2>with that. That's actually good heaviness, Okay, all right, So

874
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:45.760
<v Speaker 2>how does accupuncture work. There's these sea affarent sensory nerves

875
01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:48.719
<v Speaker 2>and we're stimulating them. And this is all the Western

876
01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:51.840
<v Speaker 2>medicine science. This has all been proven over forty years ago.

877
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.320
<v Speaker 2>And basically that goes through the spinal cord and connects

878
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.079
<v Speaker 2>with three different parts of the brain and sends signals

879
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.119
<v Speaker 2>through pertaining tissues and leases and door fins.

880
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I didn't know that they had it

881
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:05.119
<v Speaker 3>had been analyzed to that level.

882
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:08.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, of course. And for sure in America

883
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:10.800
<v Speaker 2>we got to figure it out. Yeah yeah, other people

884
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:13.400
<v Speaker 2>got PhDs and this kind of stuff. But you know,

885
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:15.719
<v Speaker 2>it's if we're asking the question does it work or

886
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:18.400
<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't work? If that's the old stuff, you know, Yeah,

887
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:21.679
<v Speaker 2>The question now is how, like you said, how do

888
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:26.559
<v Speaker 2>we work together with the dominant models that are out there.

889
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:29.079
<v Speaker 2>How do we help the most people in the best ways.

890
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 2>And I really believe that Chinese medicine can do that

891
01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:36.199
<v Speaker 2>because it's very good at doing the stuff that Western

892
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.039
<v Speaker 2>we say Western medicine is not good at, right, which

893
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:43.800
<v Speaker 2>is like outpatient care as an example, right, or preventative

894
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:47.360
<v Speaker 2>health before you even get into the hospital. Right, If

895
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:50.760
<v Speaker 2>you could if you could fine tune your car so

896
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.679
<v Speaker 2>it never has to go into the garage because the

897
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:57.880
<v Speaker 2>engine block broke right, blue, right, you want to get

898
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:02.400
<v Speaker 2>these tune ups right. So that's that's how acupuncture could

899
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:03.039
<v Speaker 2>be very helpful.

900
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but let me ask you this, So, do we

901
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:11.320
<v Speaker 3>have an idea of the thickness of the meridians? And

902
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.400
<v Speaker 3>I asked that because as you're pushing the needle through

903
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:20.360
<v Speaker 3>the skin to pierce the meridian, is it you're training

904
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:25.320
<v Speaker 3>to pierce it completely? Or because sometimes when you're putting

905
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:28.679
<v Speaker 3>the needle in my on my arm or my body,

906
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.920
<v Speaker 3>I can actually feel it when it connects with the meridian.

907
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:33.400
<v Speaker 2>It's like a little.

908
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Dull ache almost. It's really weirdly, really weird.

909
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Right. So one idea is to think of the needles

910
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:48.519
<v Speaker 2>are not just going inside the body. They're also little

911
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:52.760
<v Speaker 2>antennae that are connecting to your aura or your field

912
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:55.920
<v Speaker 2>outside of your body. Very cool, This is another way

913
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:59.440
<v Speaker 2>of thinking about it. Yeah, right, cool. So what we're

914
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:03.000
<v Speaker 2>doing is we're like lightning rods. We're putting lightning rods

915
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:06.320
<v Speaker 2>in there so that you can also connect to what

916
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:10.639
<v Speaker 2>the reiki guys call universal chi or universal key. Yeah. Right,

917
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:13.280
<v Speaker 2>So that's going in there too. And I'm not doing it.

918
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like I put the needle there, but you're

919
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:18.199
<v Speaker 2>just connected to the universe, right.

920
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.119
<v Speaker 3>And you're talking about surrounding energy passing through the needle

921
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:22.400
<v Speaker 3>into the body.

922
01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Right. Wow, it's not just the material. It's not just

923
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the material needle going in there. And remember it's also conductive, right,

924
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.760
<v Speaker 2>these needles as well, that's why it's made of iron.

925
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:38.599
<v Speaker 2>They used to be made of stone and fish bones

926
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:43.239
<v Speaker 2>and other things. But you know, it's very interesting because

927
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:47.000
<v Speaker 2>there were silver needles, gold needles back in history. The

928
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:49.760
<v Speaker 2>different alloys, the different things that you use also have

929
01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:53.159
<v Speaker 2>an effect. And you know, people out there who are listening,

930
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:55.199
<v Speaker 2>you know who do crystal healing, would have you know

931
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:59.639
<v Speaker 2>there's a Pizzo electric effect. Everything has some sort of

932
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.320
<v Speaker 2>frequent and see, and you just got to find the

933
01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:08.039
<v Speaker 2>right ones for the right place. So you've.

934
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:13.719
<v Speaker 3>Met somebody they told you they have a problem. You

935
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.800
<v Speaker 3>have done the pulse reading to get a sense of

936
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:23.440
<v Speaker 3>where the influxes are, the problem areas are, and you

937
01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:27.320
<v Speaker 3>apply the needles the acupuncture. How long did the needles

938
01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:29.760
<v Speaker 3>stay in the body.

939
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you know we talked about space can talk

940
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.440
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about time as well, right, so usually

941
01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:40.159
<v Speaker 2>about thirty minutes, twenty five to thirty minutes. Okay, really,

942
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:44.519
<v Speaker 2>and this is very interesting because there's actually a cycle,

943
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:48.960
<v Speaker 2>a time cycle that it takes for the chi to

944
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:52.159
<v Speaker 2>run through all of the channels, all right, and it's

945
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:53.719
<v Speaker 2>about twenty five to thirty minutes.

946
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.599
<v Speaker 3>So it's coming from the outside of the body through

947
01:06:56.599 --> 01:07:00.960
<v Speaker 3>the needle and passing through the meridians to the going

948
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:03.360
<v Speaker 3>you're saying, it cycles through the whole body.

949
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:07.800
<v Speaker 2>It cycles through regardless of acupuncture, if you're having acupuncture

950
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:12.679
<v Speaker 2>or not, just being alive and breathing. Yeah. Right, So

951
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.480
<v Speaker 2>within twenty four hours they're fifty cycles. This is what

952
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:16.320
<v Speaker 2>the classics say.

953
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.719
<v Speaker 3>Okay, this is so amazing, John, because I've never heard

954
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:22.840
<v Speaker 3>this step before. It's like, you know, these cycles and

955
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.760
<v Speaker 3>the time period for it to completely pass through the body.

956
01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:28.400
<v Speaker 3>That's amazing. It's totally amazing.

957
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's amazing when you think of this sort of

958
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:33.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty five to thirty minutes as the amount of time

959
01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that they've studied for people to watch these cartoons and

960
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:43.599
<v Speaker 2>TV shows, right, I mean, you know, with commercials and

961
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:47.320
<v Speaker 2>everything's about twenty three minutes. But basically you know, and

962
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 2>then you do three of cycles of that, you have

963
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.599
<v Speaker 2>ninety minutes and that's pretty much, you know, what a

964
01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:55.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of people can handle as far as attention span.

965
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:59.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, now it's thirty seconds, but you know that

966
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:03.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes is a really important sort of time rhythm

967
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.920
<v Speaker 2>for people. So if you're gonna and also look at

968
01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:12.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, sleep cycles, they're ninety minutes, right, So it's

969
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's really important to pay attention to you know,

970
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.760
<v Speaker 2>space and time. And going back to what we talked

971
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:24.239
<v Speaker 2>about with that snake running through with functue is also

972
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:27.119
<v Speaker 2>to use your body in that same way, don't you know,

973
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.479
<v Speaker 2>do straight lines for everything. Don't try to just like

974
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:33.960
<v Speaker 2>power through everything, you know, be a little bit more

975
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:39.079
<v Speaker 2>subtle and things will be less resistant on the other end.

976
01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:44.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, it's amazing. I was researching this before

977
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:47.279
<v Speaker 3>this interview. And you guys also can work with emotional

978
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:52.279
<v Speaker 3>and psychological issues or as they call it, pain. And

979
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:54.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know where you would place the needle for

980
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:57.840
<v Speaker 3>somebody who has deep depression, but I guess it's it's

981
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:02.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of opening the body or connecting the body with

982
01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:06.000
<v Speaker 3>these subtle energy fields to relieve blockage.

983
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Is is that the thinking? Right? So let me get

984
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:14.359
<v Speaker 2>as an example for someone who's depressed. Okay, obviously, if

985
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:17.279
<v Speaker 2>someone close to them died and you know, they should

986
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:20.640
<v Speaker 2>go through a morning you know, traditionally it's three years

987
01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:25.399
<v Speaker 2>in China and Korea to mourn. Oh yeah, I mean

988
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:27.840
<v Speaker 2>this is very important because Confucia is understood. You know

989
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:31.560
<v Speaker 2>that if you don't have these rituals, people walk around

990
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:35.119
<v Speaker 2>depressed for their whole lives. Oh yeah, right, So what

991
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.479
<v Speaker 2>you do is you you create an altar, a family

992
01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:42.000
<v Speaker 2>alter and every day you light a candle, you put

993
01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:46.119
<v Speaker 2>some fruit, whatever it takes to remind remember them. And

994
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:48.640
<v Speaker 2>after one year, you have a big party and you

995
01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:50.840
<v Speaker 2>remember them and you know, you mourn and cry and

996
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:54.159
<v Speaker 2>you do this for yourself, not for them. And then

997
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:56.840
<v Speaker 2>after three years it's it. That's it. You don't have

998
01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:59.359
<v Speaker 2>to do this every single day, right, you don't have

999
01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:03.239
<v Speaker 2>to because your psyche got it. It's like, okay, you know,

1000
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I mourned, and then you just do the annual thing.

1001
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:10.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think it's really important that we remember

1002
01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 2>time and rituals as well.

1003
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Totally as we come to the end of our time together. John,

1004
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:22.640
<v Speaker 3>can you give me an example of somebody who is

1005
01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:27.239
<v Speaker 3>open to these healing modalities, but once they use it

1006
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:30.680
<v Speaker 3>in a complimentary fashion, in other words, they have their

1007
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:36.279
<v Speaker 3>regular MD, they've been, they've had. Let's go back to

1008
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:39.880
<v Speaker 3>the person who has digestive gostro intestinal problems and the

1009
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:45.319
<v Speaker 3>doc says, well, you got reflex, acid, reflex, something like that,

1010
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:49.119
<v Speaker 3>and they're given medicines if they came to you, what

1011
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:51.239
<v Speaker 3>would be your compliment to that.

1012
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I'll just backtack just a little bit. So

1013
01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:58.520
<v Speaker 2>back to the depression. Okay, So as an example, there

1014
01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:02.159
<v Speaker 2>are many reasons people could be pressed, but we we

1015
01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:06.880
<v Speaker 2>do need to have, you know, these communal rituals for everybody,

1016
01:11:07.159 --> 01:11:10.079
<v Speaker 2>and we need each other because when you're isolated, you

1017
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.079
<v Speaker 2>become depressed. Part of that is that there's you know,

1018
01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:16.199
<v Speaker 2>the Heart Math Institute. If you don't have connection with

1019
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.640
<v Speaker 2>other hearts, your heart goes out of synchronous, you know,

1020
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:25.159
<v Speaker 2>synchronicity with nature. Right, There's there's an important rhythm that

1021
01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:28.039
<v Speaker 2>we all need to share. So that's why you know,

1022
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:31.640
<v Speaker 2>going to live music and dancing and you know, just

1023
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:33.600
<v Speaker 2>just even listening to music, even if it's not live.

1024
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, all of that's important. You know, eating together

1025
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:39.720
<v Speaker 2>all right. I think the pandemic was terrible. It was

1026
01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:43.479
<v Speaker 2>a terrible thing for all of us because it isolated us.

1027
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:45.680
<v Speaker 2>So that was that was creating a lot of depression.

1028
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:50.880
<v Speaker 2>And so going back to that same thing with food.

1029
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:53.840
<v Speaker 2>If if you have a problem with gourd as an example,

1030
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:57.680
<v Speaker 2>usually it's the the she is going the wrong way

1031
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:03.079
<v Speaker 2>that she should be going down. So how does that work? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>You slowly? You slowly, why you're talking to people around you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not just like just getting all that food in

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<v Speaker 2>as fast as possible. That's number one, right. Number two

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<v Speaker 2>is you're enjoying your food right, and you enjoy your

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<v Speaker 2>food more when you're other people. Number three of the

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<v Speaker 2>food is in season right, so the cheese is correct

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<v Speaker 2>for that, it's processed correctly. All of these things are

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<v Speaker 2>really important because if people eat the wrong kinds of foods,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're inflammatory, they too fast, if they're not happy

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<v Speaker 2>when they eat, that tends to create more issues that

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<v Speaker 2>can lead to things like ocurd over time. But of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we diagnose every person in their own individual way.

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<v Speaker 3>Fantastic, Hey, John, thank you for the details on the acupuncture.

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01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:59.439
<v Speaker 3>You really enlivened me into understanding what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 3>Give us some give us some details on the Cocoa

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<v Speaker 3>Wellness Center.

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<v Speaker 2>What you guys are all about. You're there in.

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<v Speaker 3>Berkeley on Shattick, and of course you're seeing new patients

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<v Speaker 3>all the time. But talk a little bit about your process.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, give you a little tour of the space. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a space where we have events. Twice a month.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been doing soundbathing with ear acupuncture. It's been incredible. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, people who go to soundbasts a lot have

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<v Speaker 2>told us that they've gotten way deeper with the ear acupuncture.

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<v Speaker 2>Also right and yoga, nidra and other things. One reason

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<v Speaker 2>is that the vegas nerve. We all know about the

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<v Speaker 2>vegas nerve, right, which is one of the twelve cranial

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<v Speaker 2>nerves and regulates the autonomic nervous system. And that one

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<v Speaker 2>the only enervation, the only place that comes out of

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<v Speaker 2>the body is through the inner ear. So you can

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<v Speaker 2>stimulate the vegas nerve by pressing or needling the inner ear.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you'll just put your finger in your ear

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<v Speaker 3>and push.

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<v Speaker 2>If you massage, yeah, if you massage that area, it

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<v Speaker 2>actually relaxes you. And I showed you. I showed you

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<v Speaker 2>the ear the ear chart, right, yeah, yeah, it's huge.

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<v Speaker 2>So whenever you massage this, your massage in your whole body. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's amazing. Just massage in your ear, pulling on your

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<v Speaker 2>ear lobes. That wakes you up. Okay. And so it's

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<v Speaker 2>really important that we do these things all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>We take care of ourselves. Okay. So yeah, at the

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<v Speaker 2>at the clinic, we have fun, We listen to music,

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<v Speaker 2>we spend vinyl, we drink tea, you know, and part

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<v Speaker 2>of that is again creating community and communal ritual as

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<v Speaker 2>well as doing all the work through other ways, not

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<v Speaker 2>just the acupuncture, but yes, we do. We do herbs,

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<v Speaker 2>we make raw herbs, formulas, we do uh tees, all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of teas including yeah you're master. Yeah, and and

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<v Speaker 2>you can get bodywork as well. So if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to check us out, you could check out our website

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll also have some of these charts up there,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can see that under our resources page.

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<v Speaker 3>So Coco ko Kko wellness dot com. Right, that's right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>got it, perfect, John, A real pleasure, my friend, and

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<v Speaker 3>I learned something I learned a lot today talking to

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<v Speaker 3>you I'm glad that I kind of uh let you.

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<v Speaker 3>I give you a heads up and said I was

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<v Speaker 3>going to be pushing you, uh for the uh Meridians today,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think I pushed and you responded very well.

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<v Speaker 3>So I appreciate everything you You uh divulged all the

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<v Speaker 3>secrets of ancient.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I could say that the best way to understand

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff is to go experience it. So just find

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<v Speaker 2>a licensed acupuncture close to you and get a treatment,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and ask some questions. Yeah, great, hey man,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it all right, thank you so much, Thanks Cliff.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm attracted to acupuncture because it's energy medicine.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm I mean, I mentioned that I became a

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<v Speaker 3>reiki teacher, oh god, decades ago. I don't really do

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<v Speaker 3>much of it anymore except for my friends and loved

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<v Speaker 3>ones and myself. But I'm sensitive to energy and I

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<v Speaker 3>react very well. And I think all of us have

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<v Speaker 3>the same sensitivities. It's just that we get caught up

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<v Speaker 3>in the Wi Fi internet bombardment of frequencies that is

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01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:57.039
<v Speaker 3>the TV, that's our computers and so forth, and so

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01:16:57.079 --> 01:17:02.039
<v Speaker 3>we become numb. We become numbed to subtle energy, and

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<v Speaker 3>I have always been of the sense that when you

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<v Speaker 3>get when I get a acupuncture treatment, the effect comes

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<v Speaker 3>to me later in the day, and when I get home,

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<v Speaker 3>I usually sit on the couch or something and I'll

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<v Speaker 3>pass out because it's just it's going to work. It's

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<v Speaker 3>altering my energy system. And a lot of you might

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<v Speaker 3>be going, well, this is bunk, but it's not. It

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01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:39.760
<v Speaker 3>really is important, and the effects are subtle, but they're profound,

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01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:43.279
<v Speaker 3>especially if you're dealing with various illnesses. If you have

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<v Speaker 3>a stomach problem, if you are have chronic science issues.

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<v Speaker 3>It has effects on a variety of conditions. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>there is a clinic in the Bay Area where I

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<v Speaker 3>live that helps women get pregnant as an acupuncture clinic.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you go to look up acupuncture and find

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<v Speaker 3>a condition that you're interested in, maybe perhaps you're dealing

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01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:13.520
<v Speaker 3>with a certain condition, see what the benefits are, and

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<v Speaker 3>use it as a complimentary medicine. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>are like, well, I like my doctor, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's a great or she's a great person. Well, the

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<v Speaker 3>thing is they may be great people, but it's the

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<v Speaker 3>education you need to be aware of. What is their education?

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<v Speaker 3>Do they only know how to drug you, do they

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<v Speaker 3>have anything else to suggest. Some physicians that are not

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<v Speaker 3>associated with medical programs or clinics have more freedom to

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<v Speaker 3>express self awareness and alternatives. They're more interested in suggesting

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<v Speaker 3>complimentary medicine like acupuncture, like chiropractic, like massage. If I

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01:18:55.960 --> 01:18:58.159
<v Speaker 3>didn't get a massage once a month, I'd be in

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<v Speaker 3>serious trouble. I wish I could afford going once a week,

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<v Speaker 3>but that'd be a little too much. But these complimentary

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<v Speaker 3>medicines are made to kickstart the immune system, help you detox,

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<v Speaker 3>and help you enjoy your physical body to a greater degree.

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<v Speaker 3>So I hope you enjoyed John. I think he's a

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<v Speaker 3>real great No only he's a good teacher, he's a

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<v Speaker 3>Slash Earth Ancients. All right, that's it for this program.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to think my guest today, John Coco, coming

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<v Speaker 3>to us from Berkeley, California. As always, the team of

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<v Speaker 3>guiltour Mark, Foster and Favor. You guys rock. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>have a happy Thanksgiving, take care, be well, and we

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<v Speaker 3>will talk to you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Gives
