Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
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Speaker 3: good things that have happened. Hey, this is Cliff, your
Speaker 3: host of Destiny. And you know, as we settle into winter,
Speaker 3: not quite render yet. Winter is December twenty first, but
Speaker 3: it's getting cooler and the sun's going down earlier. I
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Speaker 3: longer than like three o'clock, the sun's is dark at five.
Speaker 3: So I got to get out early. And so that's
Speaker 3: critical to get some fresh air, at least for me,
Speaker 3: a guy who sits on his posterior for hours at
Speaker 3: a time, producing podcasts, editing podcasts and getting the word
Speaker 3: out about our guests. So anyway, happy Thanksgiving and on
Speaker 3: where we go. The program today is another in the
Speaker 3: series of tools for transformation, and I wanted you guys
Speaker 3: to hear exactly the importance of acupuncture and traditional Chinese
Speaker 3: medicine as a complimentary healing tool when you are unwell,
Speaker 3: all feeling unbalanced, or perhaps depressed and filled with anxiety.
Speaker 3: And these are all normal conditions that we have in
Speaker 3: our fast paced Western society. You know, if you're working
Speaker 3: all the time, you're not listening to your body, and
Speaker 3: you can get you can get run down, you can
Speaker 3: get fatigued, you can have little aches and pains, you
Speaker 3: can have migraines. There's a million different problems that you
Speaker 3: can deal with. And as a complimentary medicine, traditional Chinese
Speaker 3: medicine is a wonderful alternative to taking a drug or
Speaker 3: depending on aspirins or painkillers. It's a subtle, holistic way
Speaker 3: to help ease your discomfort, ease the pain, and kind
Speaker 3: of help you move back into equilibrium, which is feeling better,
Speaker 3: having more energy, and reducing the aches and pains. And
Speaker 3: I'm really blessed with my current acupunctures. His name is
Speaker 3: John Cooco. We've had John on about three years ago
Speaker 3: talking about the traditional Chinese medicine, but today we're going
Speaker 3: to dig into it, and I'm gonna have him give
Speaker 3: you an explanation for why it's so powerful. Why our
Speaker 3: ancestors not a few thousands years ago, five plus thousands
Speaker 3: years ago, incorporated these healing methods into their everyday activities,
Speaker 3: not when they got sick, but more likely when they
Speaker 3: were sensing that they were coming up on potential physical problem,
Speaker 3: perhaps the flu, other conditions that required some attention. It
Speaker 3: know that, and we'll hear about more about this today.
Speaker 3: That not only has acupuncture been around for thousands of years,
Speaker 3: it doesn't rely solely on the wisdom of the Chinese.
Speaker 3: They have found mummies with various tattoos that are acupuncture points,
Speaker 3: and we don't really know what that means. It might
Speaker 3: mean that this person has a condition and these are
Speaker 3: markers that need to be adjusted and attended to for
Speaker 3: them to remain pain free, illness free, or whatever. Acupuncture
Speaker 3: is extremely sophisticated, and it has to do with chi,
Speaker 3: the energy that surrounds us, but it's also in our body.
Speaker 3: And this is what's really fascinating, the meridians of the body.
Speaker 3: We talk about the lay lines of the Earth, these
Speaker 3: energy fields, these energy highways. The body has meridians like
Speaker 3: the meridians like the Earth, but they are throughout the body,
Speaker 3: from the top of the head all the way to
Speaker 3: the body of your feet, and it's a super energy
Speaker 3: highway that runs.
Speaker 2: Through the body.
Speaker 3: When you manipulate these meridians with needles, with massage, with
Speaker 3: certain other types of therapy, you trigger healing, You trigger
Speaker 3: greater awareness, You trigger hormonal releases and other fantastic physical
Speaker 3: manifestations that your body is not only desires, but actually
Speaker 3: can use for healing. And this is why these traditional
Speaker 3: healing techniques, although they're not really well accepted by the
Speaker 3: traditional medical allopathic community, they have more long the effects
Speaker 3: are much more long term and beneficial without taking a drug,
Speaker 3: without having to be surgically treated for surgery or radiation
Speaker 3: or whatever. And once you hear our program today, I
Speaker 3: really recommend that you consider visiting your local acupunctures and
Speaker 3: if not, then perhaps if you're interested in alternative healing techniques,
Speaker 3: perhaps look into it a little bit by going to
Speaker 3: your Google search and punching in acupuncture benefits. Acupuncture is
Speaker 3: not only old thousands of years old, it looks to
Speaker 3: be powerful healing technique. And I go in once a
Speaker 3: month for what I call a routine checkup, and so
Speaker 3: they'll John will check me and then we'll get on
Speaker 3: a table and I'll have my acupuncture treatment, which concludes
Speaker 3: with a short massage. And I got to tell you,
Speaker 3: once I have that, my week just runs better. The
Speaker 3: rest of the month until my next appointment just flows,
Speaker 3: just flows a lot better. So today's program is Meridians Acupuncture,
Speaker 3: an old world, forgotten medicine. And my guest is John coco.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: The seventh annual Grand Egyptian Tour is coming up. We
Speaker 3: have Mohammad and Nohah by him with us. We're going
Speaker 3: to be visiting Tennis, Egypt, which is very very old.
Speaker 3: We don't know what happened there. It looks like a
Speaker 3: catastrophic event happened. It has megalithic structures, statues, and some
Speaker 3: large pieces strewed around Muhammad. What do we know about tennis?
Speaker 3: What makes it so unique?
Speaker 4: What we know about tennis unfortunately so little, but it
Speaker 4: is so little incompiliar with the importance and the greatness
Speaker 4: of Tennis, but for us it is very high level
Speaker 4: of information. Number one, what we know that Tennis was
Speaker 4: a great center of knowledge in Incia issupt.
Speaker 2: It was the big city.
Speaker 4: Receiving all the travelers and immigrants and visitors to Egypt
Speaker 4: from the northeast part of they come across Sinai. The
Speaker 4: second thing about Tennis that there was a massive size
Speaker 4: tembile or I can call it big town. We call
Speaker 4: it temble dedicated to Amonra. This temble or this village,
Speaker 4: if I can call it this way, was completely built
Speaker 4: out of rose granite. From one You know what people
Speaker 4: don't know that there was more than twelve obelisks in Tennis,
Speaker 4: maybe more, but the remains some of them still in
Speaker 4: good condition, but all of them are laying on the ground.
Speaker 4: The one they took it to the Grand Museum, the
Speaker 4: one in front of the main gate of the Grand
Speaker 4: Museum is from Tennis, and the one in Tarry Square
Speaker 4: now is from Tennis. So there are about ten obelisks
Speaker 4: or eight obelisks still there at Tennis. So the story
Speaker 4: is very strange because we expected even if the temple
Speaker 4: was in bad condition. We expected more ruins to see
Speaker 4: more cat ORed blocks, but we found only few. But
Speaker 4: we found the biggest. By the way, there are remains
Speaker 4: of blocks weighing more than two hundred ton and three
Speaker 4: hundred toon we found the foot of a statue. According
Speaker 4: to the dimension of the foot, the statue would be
Speaker 4: more more than fifteen hundred ton.
Speaker 2: The foot is like a car size. Wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we don't know what happened exactly. It must
Speaker 4: be something very strong hit tennis and hit that temple
Speaker 4: and it causes it caused great damage, like great exublusion
Speaker 4: happened inside the temple and caused that all the pieces
Speaker 4: are scattered on a distance maybe like three or four
Speaker 4: kilometers wide.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 4: When people go to tennis, they're going to feel the
Speaker 4: magic and they feel the dips of the history of tennis.
Speaker 3: Coman join us. It's gonna be April twenty eight through
Speaker 3: May tenth. For all the details and the itinerary, go
Speaker 3: to Earth Ancients dot com Forward Slash Tours. It's been
Speaker 3: a while since we had John Coco on the program.
Speaker 3: He is the owner of Coca Wellness in Berkeley. He
Speaker 3: is my acupuncturist, he's excellent, and we want to continue
Speaker 3: on with our theme of tools for transformation, because we're
Speaker 3: all fixated with allopathy, which is your traditional i should say,
Speaker 3: conventional doctor and in that environment, and I want to
Speaker 3: expand on the acupuncture process and what it means when
Speaker 3: you go to a traditional Chinese medical doctor, the benefits
Speaker 3: of it, and perhaps more details that will make you
Speaker 3: understand why so many people find it just the way
Speaker 3: to go. So, hey, John, good to see it. Man,
Speaker 3: thanks for joining me again.
Speaker 2: It's an honor. Thanks brother.
Speaker 3: Talk a little bit about your background when you decided
Speaker 3: to become a acupuncturist. What was the motivation for you
Speaker 3: to do this kind of work?
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that could take a long time. It was
Speaker 2: the short version, oh man. Okay. The short version is
Speaker 2: I traveled and met medicine people along the Silk Road.
Speaker 2: Not really, but did a Fiji in Australia walk about,
Speaker 2: and in Fiji I met a medicine man who told
Speaker 2: me I was a healer. And I could go into
Speaker 2: that in depth, but basically, there are people who can
Speaker 2: tell you what you should be doing, and sometimes you
Speaker 2: just need to listen. So family comes from healers. Different
Speaker 2: kinds of healers, herbal healers, spirit healers. And they wanted
Speaker 2: me to be a white coat doctor or a preacher,
Speaker 2: and they wanted me to go into seminary and h yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, and the spirit calls you, you
Speaker 2: got to listen. So then I got into traveling around
Speaker 2: and chasing volcanoes and finally found the Big Island. And
Speaker 2: when I got to the island, I was home. I
Speaker 2: found my fire. Wow. And so now I'm here in Berkeley, California,
Speaker 2: hanging out with you. Very cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've been with John I think at least
Speaker 3: three years, maybe more, and he's a miracle worker when
Speaker 3: it comes to all kinds of health conditions. When we
Speaker 3: speak about the history of acupuncture or traditional chin medicine
Speaker 3: as a whole, how old is is acupuncture? How how
Speaker 3: far back does it go?
Speaker 2: Oh? Wow? Okay, So let's let's just theoretical, because maybe
Speaker 2: I was there, maybe you were there, but we're just guessing, okay,
Speaker 2: and this is from documented evidence. So the first question
Speaker 2: is how old is medicine itself? Right the beginning of time,
Speaker 2: people start breaking bones, burns, you know, in caves. So
Speaker 2: I would say formal acupuncture. Is that what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: you're talking about like Pudney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what we think of traditional Chinese medicine.
Speaker 3: I read, you know, different aspects. Some people say it's
Speaker 3: twenty five hundred years old, some people say it's five
Speaker 3: thousand years old, and yeah, I'm just curious, what are
Speaker 3: your what is your feeling on? When the what the
Speaker 3: inception when someone began to discover these meridians that we're
Speaker 3: going to discuss today.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, there's a a master of Japanese acccuncture named
Speaker 2: Shoodo Denme, and his idea is that the people who
Speaker 2: were seamstresses putting needles through thread on people to actually
Speaker 2: fit their clothes right. So someone actually probably punctured someplace
Speaker 2: on the body and someone felt a nerve sensation, achieved sensation,
Speaker 2: and then they started paying attention to that. That's one idea.
Speaker 2: Another idea is that people were already seeing these channels,
Speaker 2: these lines and so energy lines, and there's certain people
Speaker 2: who can do that. It's very rare. I know, I'll
Speaker 2: just full disclosure. One time I tried doing some mushrooms
Speaker 2: and I could see these channels and mainly because I'm
Speaker 2: doing this work twelve hours a day. But it's it's
Speaker 2: in my field, right vision field. And basically, if you're
Speaker 2: a Rishie and you lived in the mountains and there
Speaker 2: were there were no distractions, and you grew up this
Speaker 2: way and you were fostered from a very early age
Speaker 2: because someone saw your gifts and and then you know,
Speaker 2: you were the person that everyone brought anyone who was
Speaker 2: sick to in the mountains, that person probably could see
Speaker 2: these subtle energy lines, right, and so it wasn't like
Speaker 2: something where we had to experiment or find scientific evidence
Speaker 2: for that. It was it was plain as day. Now,
Speaker 2: there are other ideas such as the points came first,
Speaker 2: and if you have these acupuncture points first, before needles,
Speaker 2: there were actually maxa or scarring techniques. So we were
Speaker 2: in the cave. Going back to the cave, and basically
Speaker 2: you're caterizing different areas where there's a lot of pain. Right,
Speaker 2: Let's say there's a lot of nerve pain in a
Speaker 2: place and you actually put some fire, a fire stick,
Speaker 2: you put you put a branch into the fire, and
Speaker 2: then you put that right into that place that hurts,
Speaker 2: and oh the pain went away. Hum hmm. Okay, So
Speaker 2: that's an idea, right, I mean, that's that's pretty primal,
Speaker 2: so I think that's legitimate. We also know that there
Speaker 2: is the tattoo uh man in in the in Europe, right,
Speaker 2: what's his name, the the ice man. He had tattoo
Speaker 2: lines uh.
Speaker 3: He had markets for what could be acupuncture points. So
Speaker 3: what of that marketunc points he's thought to be He
Speaker 3: thought he's about to be three or four thousand years old, back.
Speaker 2: Guy at least, yeah, at least. And this is not
Speaker 2: in you know, China, this is in your eur Asia Europe, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So basically I don't think that China can take claim
Speaker 2: to own this or to have started this. However, we
Speaker 2: do know that the Egyptians, you know, we're doing piercings
Speaker 2: in the ear going back at least five thousand years
Speaker 2: They were doing surgery. They were doing cataract surgery at
Speaker 2: least five thousand years ago. So I believe that this
Speaker 2: is at least five thousand years old. And it took
Speaker 2: until about twenty two hundred BC when they started writing
Speaker 2: this stuff down, compiling it's that's written. We have this evidence.
Speaker 2: It's in the Inner Classic then Agen and so in
Speaker 2: the Lingshu, all these points. Everything has been documented, organized analyzed,
Speaker 2: and so it's at least twenty two hundred years old,
Speaker 2: but the oral history is much older.
Speaker 3: So you're saying that the documents that we see of
Speaker 3: illustrations of the body with these needle points, these points
Speaker 3: on the body, that's about that's that shows up about
Speaker 3: twenty two one hundred BC.
Speaker 2: Now about two hundred BC is when it was written
Speaker 2: and compiled in the Qin dynasty. You've heard of the
Speaker 2: Yellow Emperor. Maybe saw the movie Hero, Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: saw that, Jong Emo and a great movie has jet
Speaker 2: lie in there, right, and basically it's all under heaven. Right.
Speaker 2: So there were these warring states periods and they were
Speaker 2: fighting for hundreds of years, centuries, and finally there was
Speaker 2: an emperor that united all the kingdoms in China and
Speaker 2: also burned a lot of the histories, but also compiled
Speaker 2: a lot of the science and a lot of that
Speaker 2: was put into these texts. So we have evidence from
Speaker 2: the Malongdi tombs, we have we have a lot of
Speaker 2: evidence from that time period that this medicine is at
Speaker 2: least twenty two hundred years old.
Speaker 3: And when they were documenting the techniques, what was the
Speaker 3: application for all illnesses or were there specific illnesses it
Speaker 3: was good for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know people come to us mainly for pain, right, right, pain,
Speaker 2: stressed neurological disorders, kind of cological disorders, et cetera. But
Speaker 2: back then, you know, this was the cutting edge medicine, right,
Speaker 2: this was state sponsored medicine. I mean like they would
Speaker 2: get the smartest people in all the lands, have them
Speaker 2: basically go through tests and find out who were going
Speaker 2: to be the ones to treat the emperor. Right. So
Speaker 2: that's the stuff that's written in these texts. So it
Speaker 2: was used for everything. And remember acupuncture is only one
Speaker 2: of the eight branches of Chinese medicine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, give us the full spectrum. It's acupuncture, herbs, bodywork.
Speaker 2: What else? Right? So the first three or the heaven
Speaker 2: heavenly branches, right, So there's meditation, there's diet and movement diet, right,
Speaker 2: and so those three are the most important because if
Speaker 2: you actually can do those things, you don't need anything external. Right.
Speaker 2: If you meditate, if you have the right attitude, if
Speaker 2: you are someone who eats in harmony with seasons, you
Speaker 2: don't eat too much of anything or too little of anything, right,
Speaker 2: and you move with the chi that you're in the
Speaker 2: field that you're in and you keep circulating your blood
Speaker 2: your chi, then you'll live a long, full life. So
Speaker 2: those are the top three, and those are three things
Speaker 2: that you can learn by yourself anywhere. You can go
Speaker 2: to YouTube right now, or you can find a teacher,
Speaker 2: or you can just walk in nature and just know
Speaker 2: that it's in your DNA, right, So those are the
Speaker 2: top three. Then there's functue and astrology. And what's interesting
Speaker 2: is functue, which is not something that's really like in
Speaker 2: the purview of a lot of Westerners, but it's just
Speaker 2: part of life for people in Asia, right. This is
Speaker 2: environmental medicine. And what we need to think of is
Speaker 2: how do we survive and thrive with other beings in
Speaker 2: harmony and how do we flow so we don't waste
Speaker 2: our time and energy, right, And that's how you live
Speaker 2: a full life. If you're a candle that burns too fast,
Speaker 2: you know your wax that just spills out right makes
Speaker 2: a mess, right, And so this is really important. Functual.
Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit more about this when we
Speaker 2: go out. I can show you some of the functual
Speaker 2: of our clinic. And then astrology, which I think a
Speaker 2: lot of your viewers listeners are really into I'm sure
Speaker 2: you know. Of course, if you ask some scientists, they'll
Speaker 2: say it's just random variables, and people want to believe
Speaker 2: what they want to with biases, right. However, I really
Speaker 2: believe that it's important to look at the big cycles,
Speaker 2: the cosmic cycles, right, not just the individual cycles. So
Speaker 2: if you look at, for instance, the Chinese zodiac cycle,
Speaker 2: we're in the snake gear this year, right, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people, i'm sure have gone through a lot
Speaker 2: of internal work sloughing off a lot of the shadow stuff, right,
Speaker 2: unveiling what's underneath the surface, right when we mold this
Speaker 2: this skin. So that's that's a Jupiter twelve year cycle.
Speaker 2: And it also coincides this year with a I think
Speaker 2: a big solar flare cycle as well. So it's been
Speaker 2: a very intense, intense year. We just had a G
Speaker 2: four storm last week, right, So you know, these things
Speaker 2: all matter and they influence us. So ninety nine nine
Speaker 2: percent of who we are is from the Sun, right,
Speaker 2: and the rest is from this planet, and we just
Speaker 2: don't give that enough credit, right, So that's FUNCTU. And
Speaker 2: then if you keep going through that, so those are
Speaker 2: things that we all share. Then we go to the
Speaker 2: personal stuff. Right. So we've done five branches. The other
Speaker 2: three other things you think of when you come and
Speaker 2: you pay money to see someone like me, Right, that's
Speaker 2: the body work, that's the herbs, right right. And so
Speaker 2: basically the acupuncture is the lowest branch. So the branch
Speaker 2: that is most invasive is acupuncture, which is actually very
Speaker 2: un non invasive. We barely put these needles in people.
Speaker 2: And what we're doing is we're guiding chi through the body.
Speaker 2: We're just speaking to the body and reminding it that
Speaker 2: actually there's something there that could be internally released or tonefied, nourished,
Speaker 2: stimulated in order for there to be harmony and balance
Speaker 2: in the body.
Speaker 3: Find to find chi, John, What I mean this is
Speaker 3: a huge thing.
Speaker 2: Uh? What is chi? And how do you manipulate it? Man?
Speaker 2: These questions?
Speaker 3: I told you, I told you to be ready, buddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So the best way for me to explain
Speaker 2: she she is functional, she is relationship. I have a
Speaker 2: teacher who passed years ago who said she is time.
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm just gonna show you right here.
Speaker 2: Let's turn this around, all right, So this is a
Speaker 2: tests have been and you see that steam coming out, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's chi from the right, from the teapot, that's yeah.
Speaker 2: And you see that that's that's that fire, that's young.
Speaker 2: And you see the water in there, yes, fire underneath water.
Speaker 2: Great chi. Okay, So we drink a lot of tea
Speaker 2: here you can see right here. That'll be the next
Speaker 2: time we talk. And actually I should drink some tea.
Speaker 2: So what does she Chi is like steam engine energy?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, what happened was a long time
Speaker 2: ago in eighteen hundred's. These French guys, they they were
Speaker 2: introduced to acupuncture and Chinese medicine and energy medicine. It
Speaker 2: was really popular at the time, so that was the language.
Speaker 2: And so what they do is they translated chi into energy.
Speaker 2: It made the most sense. Okay, But she is more
Speaker 2: than that. And that's what I mean by that because actually,
Speaker 2: if you see the character of chi, it's it's actually this,
Speaker 2: it's the steam that's cooked coming off cooking rice. Okay,
Speaker 2: So when you think about that, it's it's it's invisible,
Speaker 2: but it's also visible. You saw the steam.
Speaker 3: It is like life force. Would you say, like life
Speaker 3: force of the body.
Speaker 2: Uh So, Prana you know numa prana. These are very
Speaker 2: similar terms, right right, And yes it does enliven activate
Speaker 2: our own our own processes so that we can keep
Speaker 2: living for sure.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Now I want to jump into the meridians
Speaker 3: because this is a huge part of the traditional Chinese
Speaker 3: medicine practice, and we know that the earth has meridians.
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily accepted by traditional archaeologists, but if you
Speaker 3: talk to older traditional people like the Maya or the
Speaker 3: current Egyptians, they know about it because it was handed
Speaker 3: down to them. The meridians are the body are an
Speaker 3: energy super highway. Talk about the meridians just for a second.
Speaker 3: Tell us about the meridians and why they're important.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I like what you said, super highway of
Speaker 2: the body, right, Okay, So there are also these blue lines,
Speaker 2: you know, those little roads that are on the map, right,
Speaker 2: Those are also channels too. There are so many different
Speaker 2: ways for that she that steamed that I just showed
Speaker 2: you for that to travel through the body, and it
Speaker 2: travels through open spaces. Those open spaces could be vast
Speaker 2: blood vessels, it could be interstitial tissue, could be factial lines,
Speaker 2: It could be through the nerves, right, It could be
Speaker 2: through any space where there's an opening, and as we know,
Speaker 2: we're mostly empty space. Right. What you're seeing right now,
Speaker 2: when I'm seeing you know, these it's just like electrons
Speaker 2: separated by almost an infinite amount of space. But basically
Speaker 2: she runs through all that and it also activates it.
Speaker 2: So let's start actually with feel old sort of stuff. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the first thing is that these channels are not
Speaker 2: like two dimensional things that you see on a chart.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can see that they look like straight lines. Right.
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about this because what I
Speaker 2: think inspired this conversation was us talking about lay lines, right,
Speaker 2: which is also controversial because no proven them. However, there
Speaker 2: have been a lot of there's a lot of evidence
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of electromagnetic energy in these sacred
Speaker 2: spaces and also in mountains Haleakala, you know, Maui, the
Speaker 2: Big Island. I used to live on the Big Island.
Speaker 2: These these five mount volcanoes have an enormous amount of
Speaker 2: energy that are coming to the surface. Right. One of them, Kilauea,
Speaker 2: is spewing right now. It's extremely active, and you know
Speaker 2: there's a lot of energy there. It's obvious, right, So
Speaker 2: it's the same thing there that there are these nodes
Speaker 2: or points in the body where a lot of energy
Speaker 2: is coming up. And we can see this obviously in
Speaker 2: places people go. They go to the Himalayas. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of ideas that potentially the Atlanteans when the floods happened,
Speaker 2: they went to the highest places in the world to
Speaker 2: keep this information alive, right, Rudolph Seiner said that, And
Speaker 2: so basically we have you know, all these places, the
Speaker 2: Nasca lines, you know, these these places where people have
Speaker 2: actually created these huge I mean for they've they've worked
Speaker 2: on these for decades and even centuries. Yeah, and why
Speaker 2: like why in these spaces? Why did they carry those
Speaker 2: those huge stones to Stonehenge? Right? Like why that's space? Right?
Speaker 2: So absolutely, what we're doing is we're mapping what's happening
Speaker 2: outside of us, what we can see outside of us,
Speaker 2: also with what's inside of us. And basically there are
Speaker 2: going back because you're talking about ancient times. There are
Speaker 2: names of these points that are all geographic. And as
Speaker 2: an example, bladder sixty, which is on the ankle, it's
Speaker 2: close to the lateral malliolas and that's called kunlan Okay.
Speaker 2: So Kunland sacred mystical mountains in a western part of China.
Speaker 2: Did you say.
Speaker 3: Bladder at the ankle, so you would put a needle
Speaker 3: in that meridian that would affect the bladder.
Speaker 2: Actually, that's true, it's so wow. Yeah, so basically the
Speaker 2: whole body. You said, a super super highway, like a
Speaker 2: super conductive highway. But we have these channels that run
Speaker 2: through I'm sure everyone has seen these acupuncturer charts. And
Speaker 2: what we can do is we can actually work the
Speaker 2: extra to work the internal. And that was the genius
Speaker 2: of the ancients, was that they were saying, do less harm, right,
Speaker 2: do no harm, to do the most, do the most
Speaker 2: that you can from the outside to work the inside.
Speaker 2: So you don't have to surgically invade somebody because you
Speaker 2: actually do harm when you do that right. It's like
Speaker 2: if I had a teapot and I cracked it right now,
Speaker 2: that crack is going to be there the whole time.
Speaker 2: Even if I fix it, even if I try to,
Speaker 2: you know, glue it together, put gold on it, whatever,
Speaker 2: that crack is still there.
Speaker 3: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 3: my guest today, John Coco, discussing ancient medicine traditions and acupuncture.
Speaker 3: Will be right back. My guest today is John Coco.
Speaker 3: He is a Chinese medicine doctor who specializes in a
Speaker 3: variety of ailments and health concerns. He is located in Berkeley, California,
Speaker 3: and he is he's describing today the history of traditional
Speaker 3: Chinese medicine and acupuncture. Is it disrupting the energy, John,
Speaker 3: Is that what it is? It's like fractures the energy
Speaker 3: when you cut something open like that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely. There's there's emotional trauma, there's karma trauma, and
Speaker 2: there's also physical trauma. Right, So we try not to
Speaker 2: hurt people at all. And that's what's amazing about acupuncture
Speaker 2: and Chinese medicine is first, do no harm, right, and
Speaker 2: that goes back to Hippocrates, right, So if you can
Speaker 2: do not do anything that is going to actually make
Speaker 2: the patient worse, right in the long run, Okay, because
Speaker 2: maybe they'll get over it if they're twenty years old
Speaker 2: and they're you know, a soldier, if they're an athlete,
Speaker 2: But when they're fifty sixty, that's when they actually see
Speaker 2: that right unravel. So let's go back to Kunland bladder
Speaker 2: sixty and this point, for instance, is named after the
Speaker 2: most one of the most sacred mountain ranges in China.
Speaker 2: It's a mystical looks like a big snake that runs
Speaker 2: through right the land, and there are hundreds of mountains actually,
Speaker 2: so why that one, right, We have all of these
Speaker 2: points that are actually named after different areas that are
Speaker 2: geographic rivers valleys. As an example, this really famous point here.
Speaker 2: You know this L four which is used for headaches.
Speaker 2: Do you know that point? No, it's right here. It's
Speaker 2: it's right between the thumb and the index finger. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: very famous for headaches. Other pain too, Okay, it could
Speaker 2: be used for gynecological pain, mestural pain. And that one's
Speaker 2: called joining valley, right, and so Hogu. So basically all
Speaker 2: of these points are they're named after these geographical sort
Speaker 2: of spatial areas externally. But the thing is that the
Speaker 2: Chinese didn't see a difference between our bodies and the
Speaker 2: landscape outside of us. We are part of nature, we're
Speaker 2: one with nature, right, and that the names of nature
Speaker 2: items exactly right. And so that's the beauty of it
Speaker 2: is actually seeing that what health really is is being
Speaker 2: in harmony with nature, including space and time, especially the
Speaker 2: seasonal changes. Right, So people get sick, especially when the
Speaker 2: seasons change. We saw this the last few weeks, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: colds and stuff when cold damp, Right, we said arthritis.
Speaker 2: That creates a lot of arthritis, a lot of allergy
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Cold, all this comes out all the
Speaker 2: old stuff. Right. If you had an old back pain, right,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's like, oops, out that came back.
Speaker 2: Why did they come back? I didn't do anything. It's
Speaker 2: the seasonal shift. And so that's again when there's a
Speaker 2: crack in the pot, that'll show up when there's condensation, right,
Speaker 2: when there's when there's any different kind of shift, that's
Speaker 2: that's stress is what causes the pain. And so the
Speaker 2: pain is just telling your body, Hey, you know what,
Speaker 2: there's something to deal with here. It's not a bad thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just means you're not actually changing flowing with the season.
Speaker 2: It's so funny to hear.
Speaker 3: What you're saying, because if you look at the conventional
Speaker 3: medicine approach to problem areas of the body, they're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we got to cover this up. We're going to give
Speaker 3: you a drug so you have less pain, but not
Speaker 3: necessarily address the causation, but maybe the causation. It's it's
Speaker 3: just so different when I think of what you do
Speaker 3: and compared to my Kaiser physician, who's a great guy,
Speaker 3: but their training is to to cover up stuff with
Speaker 3: potent drugs that are toxic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean sometimes you need that, you know,
Speaker 2: as an example of there's structural impingement and there's something
Speaker 2: that I can't do you know anything about that? Right?
Speaker 2: If you have a major bulging disc, right, you need
Speaker 2: some painkillers. You don't want to walk around with that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense. You
Speaker 2: need surgery if it's really bad.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's benefits to all the different practices, but
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's just much more challenging when you're
Speaker 3: taking a very strong drug.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. Well, the problem is this is that you know,
Speaker 2: when we say what western medicine were allopathic medicine, you
Speaker 2: know this contemporary modern medicine, it's only been around for
Speaker 2: one hundred fifty years. Yeah, you know, so think about
Speaker 2: that a point. That's a really good point. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty years ago or so, the reason
Speaker 2: why they're the primary medicine we're using in America is
Speaker 2: because they actually went out and tried to exterminate all
Speaker 2: the other different kinds of modalities out there. If you
Speaker 2: look at the history of it, the eclectics, the natural paths,
Speaker 2: the homeopaths, right, the osteopaths, the chiropractors.
Speaker 3: Why were they trying to eliminate the other ones?
Speaker 2: Just it's called a big business. It's called oh capitalism, profits, profits, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right. I'm maybe on again show with this. I'm
Speaker 2: just telling the history. This is a fact. Yeah, everyone
Speaker 2: could read this, but basically that's that's what dominated and
Speaker 2: they won. Okay, so you know, now ostiopaths work in hospitals, right,
Speaker 2: Chiropractors are seen as quacks according to the allopaths. You know,
Speaker 2: they don't like them. So acupunctions, we don't. We don't
Speaker 2: fight with the alipaths. We actually do allopathic type of medicine, right,
Speaker 2: and so you know, we haven't so far had any
Speaker 2: problems with them. But homeopaths are quacks right because they
Speaker 2: do the law of similars and mentetismals. Right. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying. It's like there's not enough room
Speaker 2: in this this allopathic world for other types of modalities
Speaker 2: or even other kinds of thinking, right, the mactricity thinking.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I think of acupuncture, your traditional Chinese
Speaker 3: medicine as complementary, yes to the altopathic. I mean, and
Speaker 3: I think more people should be thinking of it like that.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to spend a lot of time
Speaker 3: on that because we can we can talk forever about that.
Speaker 3: How did they manage to discover all these points on
Speaker 3: the body and and relate them to earth features? Which
Speaker 3: is just mind blowing because how many points are there?
Speaker 2: Joints? More than a thousand? Yeah, so there's a saying
Speaker 2: that every place in the body is a point. Okay,
Speaker 2: However there are nodes right, just like in music, right
Speaker 2: when you when you have a certain like a guitar
Speaker 2: and you you play you know, the third, the fifth,
Speaker 2: it sounds different right on an octave. So basically we
Speaker 2: have I'm going to turn this around just to show
Speaker 2: you a chart here, oh your chart? Yeah right, okay,
Speaker 2: So these are different types of microsystems, right, here's scalp.
Speaker 2: This is the hand, and then this is the ear.
Speaker 2: And what's really interesting is when it comes to ear acupuncture.
Speaker 2: Is this is an inverted fetus. Okay, So here's the head, right,
Speaker 2: and then you got the feet up here in any
Speaker 2: of the internal organs, okay, all of these have been
Speaker 2: mapped scientifically proven that if you stimulate this point, it
Speaker 2: also has a correspondence with the internal organ and tissue. Okay.
Speaker 2: Now what's really interesting about this is that traditionally in
Speaker 2: China they had some of these mapped out, but they
Speaker 2: didn't have all of them mapped out. And it was
Speaker 2: a French medical doctor named Nogier who actually created this map. Wow, okay,
Speaker 2: and you just saw it and you know this is
Speaker 2: pretty cool, right, But there are a lot of systems
Speaker 2: is Chinese, French, German, so it's not just one system.
Speaker 2: So this is this is a holographic image of what's
Speaker 2: happening inside our whole body. And we have at least
Speaker 2: thirty two of these, which we call monclises, right, little
Speaker 2: little areas of the body that represent the whole like
Speaker 2: a fractal body. You know, you guys know a lot
Speaker 2: about fractals, because I'm sure you're your listeners are really
Speaker 2: into physics, right and so yeah, but basically what is
Speaker 2: above is what is below what is within is what
Speaker 2: is without, and it's all archetypal. So let me turn
Speaker 2: this around here.
Speaker 3: So is the is the meridian flowing like this cheat
Speaker 3: energy like a liquid or is it like electricity can
Speaker 3: be compared to electricity?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's let's let's go past electricity and we'll
Speaker 2: start talking about fields, okay, because we know about electromagnetic
Speaker 2: magnetic fields, all right, and you know about Alex Gray,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, oh, the painter. Yeah, so yeah, right, so
Speaker 2: this is this is that our clinic, and we have
Speaker 2: these up here so that people are reminded of who
Speaker 2: we are. And you can see here the channels. Okay, right,
Speaker 2: you see some of that electricity coming off of the aura, right,
Speaker 2: you see the chakras. And then here this is a
Speaker 2: little beyond that. This is a third body right here.
Speaker 2: This is what some people see, for instance on d
Speaker 2: MT as an example. Right, So we're going from the
Speaker 2: electromagnetic we're going into the more subtle energy into this
Speaker 2: cosmic archetypal fortex right, And so all of this is
Speaker 2: happening in everything, including this planet. And let me just
Speaker 2: show you here. This is what the Chinese saw. This
Speaker 2: is called an aging two and This is a copy
Speaker 2: of something that's in the White Cloud Monastery in Beijing, right,
Speaker 2: and you can see here this is actually the energetic
Speaker 2: functional blow of chi ching Chi and shin, which is
Speaker 2: fundamental essence. That's steam and then spirit. You can see
Speaker 2: the Daoist right going up to the high mountains.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so are you saying that we're each a little
Speaker 3: power plant of energy, like where we have our own
Speaker 3: energy system or are we deriving it from the environment?
Speaker 2: Is that powering us? Yeah? Good question. I don't think
Speaker 2: it has to be either. War. You know, when you
Speaker 2: eat food, what are you doing beating the engine? That's right,
Speaker 2: you're putting some fuel in your body. So this is
Speaker 2: something I say to almost everyone who comes in, especially
Speaker 2: in the winter. Winter, no raw cold foods.
Speaker 3: Okay, why in the winter, no raw or cold foods,
Speaker 3: because you want to keep the fire burning.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, it's that you saw that tests have
Speaker 2: been that tea kettle. We need that steam, we need
Speaker 2: that heat that young. So if you're putting something that's
Speaker 2: that's in the fridge, like some salad or whatever that's
Speaker 2: been in there, and you're putting that inside your body,
Speaker 2: your body has to generate the energy to break that down, right,
Speaker 2: So you're wasting energy. So when you put something that's
Speaker 2: that's that has fire inside of it and you put
Speaker 2: that into your body, your body as a vessel becomes
Speaker 2: a container for that energy and you generate energy. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing if you go out to outside
Speaker 2: and you sunbathe, or if you hug a tree, or
Speaker 2: you go down to the ocean and you just put
Speaker 2: your like, your whole body and you immerse it into
Speaker 2: this incredible wave, right and all that energy goes right
Speaker 2: into you, right through you. So those are ways that
Speaker 2: you can generate energy. There's tontric sex, there's just breath work.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many ways that you can do it.
Speaker 2: And going back to sacred spots, sacred locations, those are
Speaker 2: places that some people go and they stay there to
Speaker 2: regenerate their energy, to heal sacred waters, sacred churches that
Speaker 2: were built on pagan sites right where we say maybe
Speaker 2: lay lines were formed into you know, a place where
Speaker 2: people miraculously healed. Why because all of a sudden, all
Speaker 2: this energy went inside of them and healed them. I mean,
Speaker 2: I do believe that. Right there are wells, there are pools,
Speaker 2: you know, so in Chinese medicine, when we talk about
Speaker 2: these channels, they're actually translated as water sort of vessels. Okay,
Speaker 2: places that water flows, and so let's talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about these points. There are seventy two channels, but
Speaker 2: we look back, we look at twelve primary channels, eight
Speaker 2: extraordinary channels or vessels. And in these vessels, these eight
Speaker 2: extraordinary vessels are much more like reservoirs. They're underneath, they're deeper,
Speaker 2: and the primary channels are more superficial.
Speaker 3: When you say channels, you're talking about the energy flow.
Speaker 2: The meridians, Meridians. We're talking about the Meridians, right, And
Speaker 2: so going back to all the stuff we're talking about
Speaker 2: what she is, right, it's that steam that Yang and
Speaker 2: the yin and the intermarriage between Yang and yin creating
Speaker 2: this sort of steam, right, that itself flows through all
Speaker 2: of these vessels. And if there's a place that's stuck,
Speaker 2: then there's this function down down that way. There's pain
Speaker 2: because your body is trying to tell you there's something
Speaker 2: there to look at. So pain is a great teacher,
Speaker 2: something wrong with it. Unless you can't you take care
Speaker 2: of it, then it just becomes a pain in the butt. Right.
Speaker 2: So going back to the field, we are this field
Speaker 2: that is reflective of the whole the whole universe, right,
Speaker 2: all the fractal archetypal imagery that you see throughout the universe.
Speaker 2: And it looks like a sitting Buddha if you stand.
Speaker 2: If you stand that Buddha up, then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden it has all these little fractal sort of things
Speaker 2: coming off it. That's part of us. To these nodes.
Speaker 2: They turn into our head, our arms or legs right
Speaker 2: our fingers or toes, and all of these channels are
Speaker 2: also they're just lines that connect with the internal part
Speaker 2: of our being into those organs. Okay, so you can
Speaker 2: look at the channels and you can see that. You
Speaker 2: can look at the charts that just showed you. The
Speaker 2: thing that's really interesting for me is actually that these
Speaker 2: lay lines. I know, it was a thought of theorized
Speaker 2: as straight lines and then that's been kind of debunked.
Speaker 2: But actupuncture is not the same either. It actually is
Speaker 2: more like a snake. Right.
Speaker 3: Oh really, they're not like straight line meritian pathways or
Speaker 3: all over the place moving like this.
Speaker 2: Well, look at your body. Yeah, so if you see
Speaker 2: your body, you see the contours of the muscles, the
Speaker 2: fascia in between those, that's where she runs, right. Okay,
Speaker 2: So there's a there's a principle in functua. So in function,
Speaker 2: there's this idea that things that are straight lines, energy
Speaker 2: goes in and out. If you ever go to a
Speaker 2: Chinese restaurant, first thing you come in, you're gonna see
Speaker 2: some kind of barrier maybe you know, maybe a fish
Speaker 2: tank or something. Why do you think that is? Okay,
Speaker 2: the energy to go out? Oh, you want to keep
Speaker 2: the energy in. So yeah, you people, people are bringing
Speaker 2: energy in and you want to store it and contain
Speaker 2: that energy. Ah okay, okay, So let me just show
Speaker 2: you again our our clinic here. This might be demonstrative. Okay, right, okay,
Speaker 2: hey lala, all right, so we're kind of winding through
Speaker 2: and you can see here. Oh yeah, okay, all right,
Speaker 2: so just already here all right. So this is a
Speaker 2: series of paintings by our friend April McMurtry, and she
Speaker 2: puts together the Moon Calendar and Moon Journal every year.
Speaker 2: It's my Moon Calendar, and that's what it's called. And
Speaker 2: if you see right here this is these are every
Speaker 2: month of the year and this is a calendar that's
Speaker 2: depicted in a painting. And do you see the snake
Speaker 2: that runs through that? Yeah? Yeah, So these are different
Speaker 2: snakes for different seasons and different flowers and so. And
Speaker 2: you see the al chemical triangles right right, it's really brilliant. Well,
Speaker 2: that snake right there is the same thing that's running
Speaker 2: through that's the chie that's running through here. And when
Speaker 2: we built this place out, I brought in my friend
Speaker 2: Manya Butterworth, who's the owner of the Golden Gates School Functual,
Speaker 2: and he advised us that we need it to have
Speaker 2: this sort of slithering effect. Yeah, and you can see
Speaker 2: that right if we went straight through, all the ergy
Speaker 2: would go in and go straight out and just like
Speaker 2: it be a long corridor like a tunnel. And now
Speaker 2: here you have the moongate. So half the place is
Speaker 2: on the sun's side or outside, and then we walk
Speaker 2: into the inside. Ay about you, there's an.
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Speaker 3: My guest today is Chinese medical doctor John Coco coming
Speaker 3: to us from Berkeley, California, and we are learning about
Speaker 3: the history the tradition of acupuncture and how the Riadian
Speaker 3: system works. Yeah, I see the I see the intention.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: So she is the same way, okay. Basically she runs
Speaker 2: not in circles but in spirals and in waves. Okay.
Speaker 2: And if you do chigong you know this as well.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: When you when you move like this, okay, there's flow.
Speaker 2: When you do straight line kinds of things, you get tired.
Speaker 2: There's resistance right right, And it's the same thing in
Speaker 2: politics and everything. If you if you try to do
Speaker 2: everything straight with in this order, there's gonna be some resistance. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you got to be like a snake and you
Speaker 2: gotta flow. And that's that's actually the lesson of this year.
Speaker 3: Expand a little bit on when you first see somebody
Speaker 3: and they say to you, John, I have upset stomach
Speaker 3: all the time. I have digestion problems. And you will
Speaker 3: hear that it's like a brief history and then you
Speaker 3: do what do they call it? A pulse reading? Talk
Speaker 3: about that because that's really critical for you as a
Speaker 3: practitioners to understand what is happening, What is that? What
Speaker 3: does the pulse reading determine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a good question. So what's interesting about
Speaker 2: the diagnostics, right, is that the most complex and most
Speaker 2: important diagnostic that we use is actually the pulse reading.
Speaker 2: And why that's person to what we're talking about today,
Speaker 2: is that the pulse itself, that radio artery, that's another snake.
Speaker 2: So think about the blood flowing through there in waves,
Speaker 2: right it it undulates, And what you're doing is we're
Speaker 2: actually writing that we're listening to the wave pattern, the waveform,
Speaker 2: and we're able to discern at different levels which organ systems,
Speaker 2: which tissues are dysfunctional, and which ones are functional right
Speaker 2: inside of a patient. And so through the microcosm of
Speaker 2: a couple of inches on both sides of the wrists,
Speaker 2: we can actually feel in the time and space continuum
Speaker 2: the shift in that patient at that moment.
Speaker 3: So talk about where you're you're placing your fingers over
Speaker 3: the inner part of the wrist, right right, And so
Speaker 3: then you're you're you're kind of moving your it's almost
Speaker 3: like you're manipulating that area to get a full I
Speaker 3: want to just say, charge or an ability to read
Speaker 3: what's happening and what do you trying to do sense
Speaker 3: when you're doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know what's interesting is that, like when
Speaker 2: you see somebody's face, Okay, it could be a stranger,
Speaker 2: not even someone you know, and you know there there's
Speaker 2: over thirty muscles in the face, right, so when we
Speaker 2: see that, we can already tell Okay, this person's upset,
Speaker 2: they're in a good mood, they're happy, they're they're angry,
Speaker 2: they're free, I mean, whatever it is, right, Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you know that's a visual representation of what's happening in them.
Speaker 2: The Chinese actually saw they did face reading, they did
Speaker 2: palm reading, right, they did all these kinds of ways
Speaker 2: of reading the internal landscape through the outside. Again, we
Speaker 2: just talked about this. You can treat to the outside
Speaker 2: to work the inside, and you can also see the outside,
Speaker 2: and you could listen to the outside to listen to
Speaker 2: the inside. Right. So when we're feeling this radial artery,
Speaker 2: and then there's a lot of ideas around this one
Speaker 2: is that you could also do a lot of other
Speaker 2: kinds of diagnostics. But we were trying not to be
Speaker 2: invasive again, right, we're not trying to cut people open,
Speaker 2: we're not trying to put radiation in them. What we're
Speaker 2: doing is we want to listen to what's happening in
Speaker 2: the most sincerely respectful way. Okay, all right, And and
Speaker 2: so one of those ways is can I, you know,
Speaker 2: listen to the pulse by your hand. Okay, you don't
Speaker 2: even have to take off any clothes, right, It's it's amazing.
Speaker 2: And so this this goes back again twenty two hundred years.
Speaker 2: It's all written right, very very very sophisticated pulse readings.
Speaker 2: And this is not owned by the Chinese. Okay, Galen,
Speaker 2: the Roman physician, he had over one hundred kinds of
Speaker 2: pulse readings as well. Oh interesting, is that incredible? So
Speaker 2: different parties the.
Speaker 3: World has different readings, as though you're suggesting.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Greeks, the Romans, the Arivedic practitioners in India
Speaker 2: you know, which later went to Tibet, you know, and
Speaker 2: the Chinese they were all doing this and we we
Speaker 2: have this historical evidence. Right, So again, this is not
Speaker 2: something that the Chinese invented. Like the Chinese didn't invent moxibustion,
Speaker 2: they did not invent cuppying. Right, companying comes from Africa, right,
Speaker 2: mock sebustion, scarring techniques are at least from eagypt and
Speaker 2: before that. So I would just want everyone to look
Speaker 2: into their own traditions wherever they come from, and dig deep,
Speaker 2: and you'll find that we're all very similar, and we
Speaker 2: all actually have almost everything that we're doing. As far
Speaker 2: as in Chinese medicine, there's also a precedent in Africa
Speaker 2: and other parts of the world because it's that old.
Speaker 3: Right, So somewhere there was a foundation that spread out
Speaker 3: to these other parts of the world, and each country
Speaker 3: enhanced and improved the technique and made.
Speaker 2: It their own. It sounds like, yeah, well, so one
Speaker 2: thing that Chinese did is they again, they synthesized it.
Speaker 2: They're very good at synthesizing, keeping what works and throwing
Speaker 2: awaight what doesn't, right, I mean completely eliminating exactly.
Speaker 3: Hey, talk about the training that you receive to apply
Speaker 3: the needles to the meridians, because you don't push the
Speaker 3: whole needle into the arm or the leg or the body.
Speaker 3: It's a very light penetration. Talk about that, because that's
Speaker 3: really critical, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's go back to the principle of do
Speaker 2: no harm and also to do the least invasive thing
Speaker 2: to create the most efficacy. Right. So the style that
Speaker 2: I practiced mainly is a Japanese style that I that
Speaker 2: I studied from a few different doctors. And so the
Speaker 2: Japanese especially are very good at being efficient. Right. They're
Speaker 2: also the best swords people as far as well, some
Speaker 2: of them with blades, like they say, you know, they're
Speaker 2: famous for their their blades. And so acupuncture needles are
Speaker 2: like small blades, right, and so they make really good needles.
Speaker 2: This is what we use here. They make Oh absolutely,
Speaker 2: the needles we use are the best, and they cost
Speaker 2: four times more, but it's it's worth it, and their
Speaker 2: tensile strength is much better. They don't hurt, you know,
Speaker 2: So it's really important that acupuncture doesn't hurt. Okay, you
Speaker 2: might feel like a little sting, that's no big deal.
Speaker 2: But it shouldn't be sharp ever. Yeah, and if you
Speaker 2: feel like a deep achiness, that's great, there's nothing wrong
Speaker 2: with that. That's actually good heaviness, Okay, all right, So
Speaker 2: how does accupuncture work. There's these sea affarent sensory nerves
Speaker 2: and we're stimulating them. And this is all the Western
Speaker 2: medicine science. This has all been proven over forty years ago.
Speaker 2: And basically that goes through the spinal cord and connects
Speaker 2: with three different parts of the brain and sends signals
Speaker 2: through pertaining tissues and leases and door fins.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I didn't know that they had it
Speaker 3: had been analyzed to that level.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, of course. And for sure in America
Speaker 2: we got to figure it out. Yeah yeah, other people
Speaker 2: got PhDs and this kind of stuff. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's if we're asking the question does it work or
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work? If that's the old stuff, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: The question now is how, like you said, how do
Speaker 2: we work together with the dominant models that are out there.
Speaker 2: How do we help the most people in the best ways.
Speaker 2: And I really believe that Chinese medicine can do that
Speaker 2: because it's very good at doing the stuff that Western
Speaker 2: we say Western medicine is not good at, right, which
Speaker 2: is like outpatient care as an example, right, or preventative
Speaker 2: health before you even get into the hospital. Right, If
Speaker 2: you could if you could fine tune your car so
Speaker 2: it never has to go into the garage because the
Speaker 2: engine block broke right, blue, right, you want to get
Speaker 2: these tune ups right. So that's that's how acupuncture could
Speaker 2: be very helpful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but let me ask you this, So, do we
Speaker 3: have an idea of the thickness of the meridians? And
Speaker 3: I asked that because as you're pushing the needle through
Speaker 3: the skin to pierce the meridian, is it you're training
Speaker 3: to pierce it completely? Or because sometimes when you're putting
Speaker 3: the needle in my on my arm or my body,
Speaker 3: I can actually feel it when it connects with the meridian.
Speaker 2: It's like a little.
Speaker 3: Dull ache almost. It's really weirdly, really weird.
Speaker 2: Right. So one idea is to think of the needles
Speaker 2: are not just going inside the body. They're also little
Speaker 2: antennae that are connecting to your aura or your field
Speaker 2: outside of your body. Very cool, This is another way
Speaker 2: of thinking about it. Yeah, right, cool. So what we're
Speaker 2: doing is we're like lightning rods. We're putting lightning rods
Speaker 2: in there so that you can also connect to what
Speaker 2: the reiki guys call universal chi or universal key. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 2: So that's going in there too. And I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I put the needle there, but you're
Speaker 2: just connected to the universe, right.
Speaker 3: And you're talking about surrounding energy passing through the needle
Speaker 3: into the body.
Speaker 2: Right. Wow, it's not just the material. It's not just
Speaker 2: the material needle going in there. And remember it's also conductive, right,
Speaker 2: these needles as well, that's why it's made of iron.
Speaker 2: They used to be made of stone and fish bones
Speaker 2: and other things. But you know, it's very interesting because
Speaker 2: there were silver needles, gold needles back in history. The
Speaker 2: different alloys, the different things that you use also have
Speaker 2: an effect. And you know, people out there who are listening,
Speaker 2: you know who do crystal healing, would have you know
Speaker 2: there's a Pizzo electric effect. Everything has some sort of
Speaker 2: frequent and see, and you just got to find the
Speaker 2: right ones for the right place. So you've.
Speaker 3: Met somebody they told you they have a problem. You
Speaker 3: have done the pulse reading to get a sense of
Speaker 3: where the influxes are, the problem areas are, and you
Speaker 3: apply the needles the acupuncture. How long did the needles
Speaker 3: stay in the body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know we talked about space can talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about time as well, right, so usually
Speaker 2: about thirty minutes, twenty five to thirty minutes. Okay, really,
Speaker 2: and this is very interesting because there's actually a cycle,
Speaker 2: a time cycle that it takes for the chi to
Speaker 2: run through all of the channels, all right, and it's
Speaker 2: about twenty five to thirty minutes.
Speaker 3: So it's coming from the outside of the body through
Speaker 3: the needle and passing through the meridians to the going
Speaker 3: you're saying, it cycles through the whole body.
Speaker 2: It cycles through regardless of acupuncture, if you're having acupuncture
Speaker 2: or not, just being alive and breathing. Yeah. Right, So
Speaker 2: within twenty four hours they're fifty cycles. This is what
Speaker 2: the classics say.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is so amazing, John, because I've never heard
Speaker 3: this step before. It's like, you know, these cycles and
Speaker 3: the time period for it to completely pass through the body.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. It's totally amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, it's amazing when you think of this sort of
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty minutes as the amount of time
Speaker 2: that they've studied for people to watch these cartoons and
Speaker 2: TV shows, right, I mean, you know, with commercials and
Speaker 2: everything's about twenty three minutes. But basically you know, and
Speaker 2: then you do three of cycles of that, you have
Speaker 2: ninety minutes and that's pretty much, you know, what a
Speaker 2: lot of people can handle as far as attention span.
Speaker 2: You know, now it's thirty seconds, but you know that
Speaker 2: thirty minutes is a really important sort of time rhythm
Speaker 2: for people. So if you're gonna and also look at
Speaker 2: you know, sleep cycles, they're ninety minutes, right, So it's
Speaker 2: I think it's really important to pay attention to you know,
Speaker 2: space and time. And going back to what we talked
Speaker 2: about with that snake running through with functue is also
Speaker 2: to use your body in that same way, don't you know,
Speaker 2: do straight lines for everything. Don't try to just like
Speaker 2: power through everything, you know, be a little bit more
Speaker 2: subtle and things will be less resistant on the other end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's amazing. I was researching this before
Speaker 3: this interview. And you guys also can work with emotional
Speaker 3: and psychological issues or as they call it, pain. And
Speaker 3: I don't know where you would place the needle for
Speaker 3: somebody who has deep depression, but I guess it's it's
Speaker 3: kind of opening the body or connecting the body with
Speaker 3: these subtle energy fields to relieve blockage.
Speaker 2: Is is that the thinking? Right? So let me get
Speaker 2: as an example for someone who's depressed. Okay, obviously, if
Speaker 2: someone close to them died and you know, they should
Speaker 2: go through a morning you know, traditionally it's three years
Speaker 2: in China and Korea to mourn. Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: this is very important because Confucia is understood. You know
Speaker 2: that if you don't have these rituals, people walk around
Speaker 2: depressed for their whole lives. Oh yeah, right, So what
Speaker 2: you do is you you create an altar, a family
Speaker 2: alter and every day you light a candle, you put
Speaker 2: some fruit, whatever it takes to remind remember them. And
Speaker 2: after one year, you have a big party and you
Speaker 2: remember them and you know, you mourn and cry and
Speaker 2: you do this for yourself, not for them. And then
Speaker 2: after three years it's it. That's it. You don't have
Speaker 2: to do this every single day, right, you don't have
Speaker 2: to because your psyche got it. It's like, okay, you know,
Speaker 2: I mourned, and then you just do the annual thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's really important that we remember
Speaker 2: time and rituals as well.
Speaker 3: Totally as we come to the end of our time together. John,
Speaker 3: can you give me an example of somebody who is
Speaker 3: open to these healing modalities, but once they use it
Speaker 3: in a complimentary fashion, in other words, they have their
Speaker 3: regular MD, they've been, they've had. Let's go back to
Speaker 3: the person who has digestive gostro intestinal problems and the
Speaker 3: doc says, well, you got reflex, acid, reflex, something like that,
Speaker 3: and they're given medicines if they came to you, what
Speaker 3: would be your compliment to that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll just backtack just a little bit. So
Speaker 2: back to the depression. Okay, So as an example, there
Speaker 2: are many reasons people could be pressed, but we we
Speaker 2: do need to have, you know, these communal rituals for everybody,
Speaker 2: and we need each other because when you're isolated, you
Speaker 2: become depressed. Part of that is that there's you know,
Speaker 2: the Heart Math Institute. If you don't have connection with
Speaker 2: other hearts, your heart goes out of synchronous, you know,
Speaker 2: synchronicity with nature. Right, There's there's an important rhythm that
Speaker 2: we all need to share. So that's why you know,
Speaker 2: going to live music and dancing and you know, just
Speaker 2: just even listening to music, even if it's not live.
Speaker 2: I mean, all of that's important. You know, eating together
Speaker 2: all right. I think the pandemic was terrible. It was
Speaker 2: a terrible thing for all of us because it isolated us.
Speaker 2: So that was that was creating a lot of depression.
Speaker 2: And so going back to that same thing with food.
Speaker 2: If if you have a problem with gourd as an example,
Speaker 2: usually it's the the she is going the wrong way
Speaker 2: that she should be going down. So how does that work? Well?
Speaker 2: You slowly? You slowly, why you're talking to people around you.
Speaker 2: You're not just like just getting all that food in
Speaker 2: as fast as possible. That's number one, right. Number two
Speaker 2: is you're enjoying your food right, and you enjoy your
Speaker 2: food more when you're other people. Number three of the
Speaker 2: food is in season right, so the cheese is correct
Speaker 2: for that, it's processed correctly. All of these things are
Speaker 2: really important because if people eat the wrong kinds of foods,
Speaker 2: if they're inflammatory, they too fast, if they're not happy
Speaker 2: when they eat, that tends to create more issues that
Speaker 2: can lead to things like ocurd over time. But of course,
Speaker 2: you know, we diagnose every person in their own individual way.
Speaker 3: Fantastic, Hey, John, thank you for the details on the acupuncture.
Speaker 3: You really enlivened me into understanding what it's all about.
Speaker 3: Give us some give us some details on the Cocoa
Speaker 3: Wellness Center.
Speaker 2: What you guys are all about. You're there in.
Speaker 3: Berkeley on Shattick, and of course you're seeing new patients
Speaker 3: all the time. But talk a little bit about your process.
Speaker 2: Well, give you a little tour of the space. We
Speaker 2: have a space where we have events. Twice a month.
Speaker 2: We've been doing soundbathing with ear acupuncture. It's been incredible. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, people who go to soundbasts a lot have
Speaker 2: told us that they've gotten way deeper with the ear acupuncture.
Speaker 2: Also right and yoga, nidra and other things. One reason
Speaker 2: is that the vegas nerve. We all know about the
Speaker 2: vegas nerve, right, which is one of the twelve cranial
Speaker 2: nerves and regulates the autonomic nervous system. And that one
Speaker 2: the only enervation, the only place that comes out of
Speaker 2: the body is through the inner ear. So you can
Speaker 2: stimulate the vegas nerve by pressing or needling the inner ear.
Speaker 2: Is that incredible.
Speaker 3: So if you'll just put your finger in your ear
Speaker 3: and push.
Speaker 2: If you massage, yeah, if you massage that area, it
Speaker 2: actually relaxes you. And I showed you. I showed you
Speaker 2: the ear the ear chart, right, yeah, yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 2: So whenever you massage this, your massage in your whole body. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's amazing. Just massage in your ear, pulling on your
Speaker 2: ear lobes. That wakes you up. Okay. And so it's
Speaker 2: really important that we do these things all the time.
Speaker 2: We take care of ourselves. Okay. So yeah, at the
Speaker 2: at the clinic, we have fun, We listen to music,
Speaker 2: we spend vinyl, we drink tea, you know, and part
Speaker 2: of that is again creating community and communal ritual as
Speaker 2: well as doing all the work through other ways, not
Speaker 2: just the acupuncture, but yes, we do. We do herbs,
Speaker 2: we make raw herbs, formulas, we do uh tees, all
Speaker 2: kinds of teas including yeah you're master. Yeah, and and
Speaker 2: you can get bodywork as well. So if you want
Speaker 2: to check us out, you could check out our website
Speaker 2: and we'll also have some of these charts up there,
Speaker 2: so you can see that under our resources page.
Speaker 3: So Coco ko Kko wellness dot com. Right, that's right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: got it, perfect, John, A real pleasure, my friend, and
Speaker 3: I learned something I learned a lot today talking to
Speaker 3: you I'm glad that I kind of uh let you.
Speaker 3: I give you a heads up and said I was
Speaker 3: going to be pushing you, uh for the uh Meridians today,
Speaker 3: and I think I pushed and you responded very well.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate everything you You uh divulged all the
Speaker 3: secrets of ancient.
Speaker 2: Well, I could say that the best way to understand
Speaker 2: the stuff is to go experience it. So just find
Speaker 2: a licensed acupuncture close to you and get a treatment,
Speaker 2: you know, and ask some questions. Yeah, great, hey man,
Speaker 2: appreciate it all right, thank you so much, Thanks Cliff.
Speaker 3: I think I'm attracted to acupuncture because it's energy medicine.
Speaker 3: And I'm I mean, I mentioned that I became a
Speaker 3: reiki teacher, oh god, decades ago. I don't really do
Speaker 3: much of it anymore except for my friends and loved
Speaker 3: ones and myself. But I'm sensitive to energy and I
Speaker 3: react very well. And I think all of us have
Speaker 3: the same sensitivities. It's just that we get caught up
Speaker 3: in the Wi Fi internet bombardment of frequencies that is
Speaker 3: the TV, that's our computers and so forth, and so
Speaker 3: we become numb. We become numbed to subtle energy, and
Speaker 3: I have always been of the sense that when you
Speaker 3: get when I get a acupuncture treatment, the effect comes
Speaker 3: to me later in the day, and when I get home,
Speaker 3: I usually sit on the couch or something and I'll
Speaker 3: pass out because it's just it's going to work. It's
Speaker 3: altering my energy system. And a lot of you might
Speaker 3: be going, well, this is bunk, but it's not. It
Speaker 3: really is important, and the effects are subtle, but they're profound,
Speaker 3: especially if you're dealing with various illnesses. If you have
Speaker 3: a stomach problem, if you are have chronic science issues.
Speaker 3: It has effects on a variety of conditions. In fact,
Speaker 3: there is a clinic in the Bay Area where I
Speaker 3: live that helps women get pregnant as an acupuncture clinic.
Speaker 3: So if you go to look up acupuncture and find
Speaker 3: a condition that you're interested in, maybe perhaps you're dealing
Speaker 3: with a certain condition, see what the benefits are, and
Speaker 3: use it as a complimentary medicine. A lot of people
Speaker 3: are like, well, I like my doctor, and I think
Speaker 3: he's a great or she's a great person. Well, the
Speaker 3: thing is they may be great people, but it's the
Speaker 3: education you need to be aware of. What is their education?
Speaker 3: Do they only know how to drug you, do they
Speaker 3: have anything else to suggest. Some physicians that are not
Speaker 3: associated with medical programs or clinics have more freedom to
Speaker 3: express self awareness and alternatives. They're more interested in suggesting
Speaker 3: complimentary medicine like acupuncture, like chiropractic, like massage. If I
Speaker 3: didn't get a massage once a month, I'd be in
Speaker 3: serious trouble. I wish I could afford going once a week,
Speaker 3: but that'd be a little too much. But these complimentary
Speaker 3: medicines are made to kickstart the immune system, help you detox,
Speaker 3: and help you enjoy your physical body to a greater degree.
Speaker 3: So I hope you enjoyed John. I think he's a
Speaker 3: real great No only he's a good teacher, he's a
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