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<v Speaker 1>Callaroga Shark Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Very busy for Saturday, never mind a Saturday on a

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<v Speaker 2>holiday weekend. I have remembered a Saturday this robust. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Johnny Mack with your daily comedy news. Two big

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<v Speaker 2>specials of this holiday weekend DRAWD Carmichael on HBO Max Tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Birbiglia on Netflix on Monday. Carmichael doesn't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have done any press. I'm recording this around noon on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>I see nothing, and I can't imagine that the PR

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<v Speaker 2>department is putting out stuff on a Friday afternoon into

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<v Speaker 2>a holiday weekend or a Saturday of a holiday weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not sure what that's about. Burbiggs did tons

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<v Speaker 2>of press. We'll be talking about him for the next

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<v Speaker 2>week or so. Let's start with this appearance on the

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<v Speaker 2>Vanity Fair podcast. Mike told Vanity Fair a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll work out these jokes on his own podcast with people.

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<v Speaker 2>I had Josh Johnson on the podcast recently. We were

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<v Speaker 2>riffing on the premise I had. My wife was like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go in the basement and fix the piping for

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<v Speaker 2>the water and the building. I put my shoes on

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<v Speaker 2>my coat, and I go, let's go, And she goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid of the basement, and I go, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you knew when you said let's go, you meant me honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just jotting down observations like that that are really simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Then a lot of times two things will happen simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 2>As the series of jokes and story sculpts into a

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<v Speaker 2>narrative form that has causality and propulsion to it, does

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<v Speaker 2>some of these jokes fall away? Which ones fall away?

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<v Speaker 2>And which ones stay? And then which ones honestly become

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<v Speaker 2>boring and which ones are still funny. Jirod Carmichael special

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<v Speaker 2>tonight at HBO ten pm. You know they don't do

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<v Speaker 2>the immediate streaming like the other services do, so you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta stay up late. It's his fourth special for HBO,

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<v Speaker 2>this one called Don't Be Gay. Variety reviewed it. Minor

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<v Speaker 2>vibe spoilers here, no specifics. It won't ruin the special

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<v Speaker 2>for you. It was filmed this February in New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't Be Gay opens with Carmichael standing on stage, as

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<v Speaker 2>simple velvet beage curtain acting as the backdrop behind him.

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<v Speaker 2>He immediately begins chatting about his reality series and his

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<v Speaker 2>struggles with internalized homophobia and rampant infidelity. Despite his professional

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<v Speaker 2>and felt financial success, Carmichael admits rather sheepishly that he

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<v Speaker 2>still seeks the approval of black people, which likely has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with his upbringing. The backlash to his white lover,

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<v Speaker 2>or specifically the moment he sucked the toes of a

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<v Speaker 2>hookup on screen pushed him to finally see a mental

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<v Speaker 2>health professional. Carmichael appears more self assured than ever. He

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<v Speaker 2>talks about his waffle obsession, using grinder when he was

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<v Speaker 2>hiding his sexuality, his hyper religious mother, and how challenging

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<v Speaker 2>it is to return to his childhood home in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>Friend of the show Jason Zennemann in The New York

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<v Speaker 2>Times asked, can drawd Carmichael go back to basics? That's

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<v Speaker 2>what he seems to be trying to do in this

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<v Speaker 2>new effort, a return to cynical, punchy jokes that introduced

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<v Speaker 2>themselves with a dash of shock before he came out

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<v Speaker 2>of the closet and a moody sit down performance in

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<v Speaker 2>Nathaniel then made his own navel gazing reality show. Carmichael

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<v Speaker 2>was a Gifted Club comic. His new hour has more

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<v Speaker 2>laughs permitted than his recent work, and his attention getting premises,

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<v Speaker 2>among them A children's funerals aren't as sad as you

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<v Speaker 2>might think. All right, that's promising. That sounds good, and

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<v Speaker 2>we trust Jason. We'll get a special for Netflix. Her

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<v Speaker 2>first for Netflix filth Queen, June twenty fourth. Filmed in Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>the hour is produced by Bill Burr. Bill Burr told

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<v Speaker 2>Deadline the first time I saw Steph Tillev was a

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<v Speaker 2>promotional video she made for New York City show. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean he fell in love with her in her comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most inhibited original voices out there today.

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<v Speaker 2>I love everything at boat her otsgo At Cotska, one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorites. Will have a special for Hulu. Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>Hulu publicists, How you guys doing ots go At Cootska

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<v Speaker 2>father on Hulu June thirteenth. There's even a trailer. Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 1>So I asked my husband the other day how to

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<v Speaker 1>turn on the washing machine, and that's how he realized

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<v Speaker 3>All these years.

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<v Speaker 2>I was shocked to.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it has been you this whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you've seen someone do something so you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Father is Otsko's first special for Hulu, her second overall,

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<v Speaker 2>The Intruder on HBO. It was a really fantastic one.

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<v Speaker 2>Apple TV Plus announced the first original Peanuts musical in

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five years. Snoopy Presents a summer musical. Ben Folds

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<v Speaker 2>will write original music for the July eighteenth release. A

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<v Speaker 2>summer musical is forty minutes long. In it, Charlie Brown

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<v Speaker 2>is determined to make his final Yeared Camp special, but

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<v Speaker 2>Sally is nervous about the new and unfamiliar place she's

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<v Speaker 2>new to the camp. Also, Snoopy and Woodstock discover a

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<v Speaker 2>treasure map that takes them on quote a wild adventure

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. One morning, the Peanuts gang learns that their

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<v Speaker 2>beloved camp is shutting down because there are fewer campers

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<v Speaker 2>joining each summer. This saddens Charlie Brown, who feels hopeless

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<v Speaker 2>about losing a place that has meant so much to

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<v Speaker 2>him and his friends. The Scrubs reboot took a step

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<v Speaker 2>towards reality. Zach Braff has signed on. He will come

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<v Speaker 2>back as doctor John Dorian in the Scrubs reboot. This

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty cool. On the other hand, what else is

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Braff doing a podcast talking about Scrubs. Of course

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to come back for their reboot. Next thing

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to tell me is Donald Faison is coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got nothing going on either, No offense guys. Of

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<v Speaker 2>course you're going to do the Scrubs reboot. Bill Lawrence

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<v Speaker 2>back in twenty twenty two said if you ever have

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<v Speaker 2>an excuse to work with people you want to spend

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<v Speaker 2>time with anyway, or run to it. We'll also see

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<v Speaker 2>who signs up. It is expected Donald Faison and Sarah

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<v Speaker 2>Chalk will join up, and that Judy Rayis and John

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<v Speaker 2>c McGinley will do limited appearances. That's what I have

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<v Speaker 2>been seeing. Pete Davidson returned to Stand up after one

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<v Speaker 2>year year. The New York Post reported Pete showed up

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<v Speaker 2>at the stand last week on Monday and Wednesday nights,

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<v Speaker 2>Pete open the set talking about how aidn't been on

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<v Speaker 2>co headlining show. With Dave Chappelle in Ohio. No details

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<v Speaker 2>on the set, though Bo and Yang was on the

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<v Speaker 2>red carpet for the grand opening of Universal's Epic Universe.

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<v Speaker 2>They asked him, hey, you coming back to SNL, because

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<v Speaker 2>you looked like you weren't coming back. Yang acknowledged he

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<v Speaker 2>was emotional on the Good Nights and said, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you get to a point in SNL where you understand

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<v Speaker 2>that you're on the downswing of things. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>was just processing that being one of the last nights

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<v Speaker 2>finale of Good Nights, something leaves my body because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just relieved from all that happened that season, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was a big one. We went through a lot, so

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<v Speaker 2>many fun memories. I think that was probably registering. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, Oh, I need to savor these moments

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't have them anymore. He was asked, is

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<v Speaker 2>that last comment mean you're not coming back? Yang deflected

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<v Speaker 2>the question, laughing and saying, no, we're not doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just admit you're not coming back. I would have told

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<v Speaker 2>you about this one, but I didn't see it until

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes before it happened. But I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. If you've been following John Oliver's show,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been trying to get minor league teams to rebrand.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been making fun of minor league baseball. Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>You see on the May fifth Oliver Show, John said

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<v Speaker 2>their marketing and team names. John Oliver specifically called out

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<v Speaker 2>the Saint Paul Saints has a disappointing example. So for

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<v Speaker 2>Plain Knight, any Saints fan who had an ID with

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<v Speaker 2>either the name John or Oliver quote two of the

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<v Speaker 2>top one hundred and fifty generic men's names in the

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<v Speaker 2>world got a free ticket. I could have gotten in

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<v Speaker 2>for free. That's awesome. The first thousand fans of the

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<v Speaker 2>game also received a plain piece of white paper. They

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<v Speaker 2>also were blowing off the kiss cam or any other

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<v Speaker 2>fun things on the Jobbotron. They were only going to

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<v Speaker 2>only concession served at the game vanilla ice cream. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I but trying to get to this one all week.

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<v Speaker 2>The Inside Late Night podcast, Mark Malkoff spoke with Bill Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Leno was the topic I had brought up on

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<v Speaker 2>this program a few weeks ago, my question of like,

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<v Speaker 2>is Jay Leno a nice guy or not? He seems

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<v Speaker 2>like a nice guy, but everybody bat mounts him. So

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<v Speaker 2>they got into it a little bit. The cleaner audio

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<v Speaker 2>uh not recorded on a proper studio microphone. That's Bill Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>In this first clip they discussed Jay and Conan.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously I wrote a whole book about it, so it

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<v Speaker 4>Leno thing that happened before. So what did they do?

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<v Speaker 4>They did give Conan the show with a five year wait.

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<v Speaker 4>Five years, so Conin was hot as a pistol at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, really really hot. And he could have said,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not waiting five years, I'm going to five right

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<v Speaker 4>now right. Fox could have cleared the show and he

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<v Speaker 4>would have been on Fox. He could have said that,

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<v Speaker 4>but he, like the other guys, wanted the Tonight show.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's he agreed to park his career for five year,

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<v Speaker 4>they all figured well in five years, Jay will want

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<v Speaker 4>to leave, or maybe his raateers will be down. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't know Jay if they thought he'd want to leave,

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<v Speaker 4>but that they set that up, they set that in

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<v Speaker 4>motion and for Jay and they come to him, they say,

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<v Speaker 4>we love you. We're can standing here for another five years.

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<v Speaker 4>And he didn't like the idea that there was a

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<v Speaker 4>termination date. But at that point he was like, how

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<v Speaker 4>can I say not to this and then Conan leaves

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<v Speaker 4>and then I have another guy competing with me? Right,

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<v Speaker 4>this is all in his head and he has nobody

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<v Speaker 4>really advising him. He doesn't have a killer agent. If

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<v Speaker 4>he has a killer agent, in these circumstances, he has

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<v Speaker 4>way more leverage than he showed. He had a more

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<v Speaker 4>leverage than he Just think.

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<v Speaker 3>Jay rich Ratzk regrets and I think if he had

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<v Speaker 3>show and Laconan do his thing. I really really think that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he would say that publicly maybe, but

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's just he wouldn't have.

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<v Speaker 4>Done the ten o'clock shows. What you're saying, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't think he would did the ten o'clock show, or

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<v Speaker 3>he would have at least like been like, okay, this

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<v Speaker 3>leave and do something else for NBC.

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<v Speaker 2>And the question that I've been asking, does Jay Leno

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<v Speaker 2>have any legacy? He's got the longevity, but what is

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<v Speaker 2>his legacy? And I think his legacy might be tied

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<v Speaker 2>to Codin O'Brien, which is a good time for me

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<v Speaker 2>to remember to promote tomorrow's podcast. I have definitively declared

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<v Speaker 2>there's no arguing the four names that are going up

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<v Speaker 2>on Late Night Mount Rushmore. So don't like jump on

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<v Speaker 2>a Facebook group or in the comments thinking you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>argue with me. No, I don't want that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>You think I want to goose the algorithm starting a discussion. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you just accept the four names that I declare tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>Late Night's Mount Rushmore. Anyway, anyway, here's Bill and Mark

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<v Speaker 2>discussing Jay Leno's legacy.

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<v Speaker 4>If you ask people what is his legacy? What did

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<v Speaker 4>he bring? That is a big problem. He doesn't have

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<v Speaker 4>the same ongoing resonance as certainly Letterman and now Conan

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<v Speaker 4>is on fire right, he doesn't have that, and he

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<v Speaker 4>would say it doesn't bother him because he was more

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<v Speaker 4>interested in doing whatever, but he didn't advance the show

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<v Speaker 4>in some significant way.

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<v Speaker 3>You really thought that being number one was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be enough. And if people look at Honeymooner's Perry Como

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<v Speaker 3>was number one, and people do not remember Como, they

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<v Speaker 3>remember the Honeymooners. It's one of those things. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>when I worked with you for CNN, You're a Webby

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<v Speaker 3>Award winning host and I was one of the producers.

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<v Speaker 3>We did this thing for CNN, a podcast, and before that,

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<v Speaker 3>you did the History of Late Night, which I was

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<v Speaker 3>featured in. That was nice enough to be in. But

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<v Speaker 3>Jay was supposed to talk about his legacy and talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the Tonight show. And a half hour before he's

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to film with him and the crew and everything's lit,

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<v Speaker 3>he calls you. What does he say?

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<v Speaker 4>He says, he's not doing it because because Dave wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>do it.

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<v Speaker 3>A half hour before he tells you this, he could

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<v Speaker 3>have not just in.

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<v Speaker 4>From the airport. I had landed that morning. I was

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<v Speaker 4>driving in from the airport and he called me and said,

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<v Speaker 4>he's not I'm not doing it and he and he said,

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<v Speaker 4>because you know I Dave won't do it, and then

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<v Speaker 4>I'll look bad, and I said, you won't look bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Who cares what Dave's doing. You're you have a You're

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<v Speaker 4>a giant in late night on your own. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>What does it matter what Letterman does or doesn't do. No, No,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just get slammed for I'll get slammed for I said,

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<v Speaker 4>you won't get slammed for it if you do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, if he did it and you didn't do it,

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<v Speaker 4>you might get slammed for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And for the show. Jason's Inniman makes the podcast for

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<v Speaker 2>the second time. Today, Hi, Jason, have a good Memorial

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<v Speaker 2>Day weekend. Jason floated the premise that Mulaney has figured

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<v Speaker 2>it out. Now, I'm not going to ever disagree with

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<v Speaker 2>Jason's in him and he's smarter than I am. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've kind of given up on even sampling Mullane's show.

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<v Speaker 2>I've tried to show like five six times, and like

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<v Speaker 2>I just I'm not feeling it. This upcoming week is

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<v Speaker 2>the one where Mulaney supposedly will fight three fourteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old boys. Jason writes, is this whole thing a trick

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<v Speaker 2>to get your attention? If so, it's a good one,

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<v Speaker 2>because I've spent a fair amount of time considering ways

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<v Speaker 2>that the host could possibly avoid taking a beating. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not easy to dream up winning strategy for a delicate

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<v Speaker 2>looking forty two year old comic that doesn't include weapons

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<v Speaker 2>or rigging the rules. Mullaney appears confident about his chances.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, he always does. He takes part in all

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<v Speaker 2>these stupendous, stupid and absurd things, not with an ironic,

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<v Speaker 2>wink like letterment or sense of childlike silliness like O'Brien,

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<v Speaker 2>but with an alien sureness, as if he were born

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<v Speaker 2>to tell jokes blindfolded and get pummeled by teenagers for

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<v Speaker 2>our entertainment. Until recently, he was this wholesome, very nice

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<v Speaker 2>young man of stand up comedy. Then divorce and rehab

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<v Speaker 2>shifted his image and his special about it catapulted him

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<v Speaker 2>to a new position, the most acclaimed stand up of

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. That he's now spending his cultural capital on

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<v Speaker 2>this weirder show is something that deserves attention credit and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope another season we'll see. So the initial announcement

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<v Speaker 2>was that it got picked up for two seasons, but

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<v Speaker 2>the words from Robbie pra the Netflix out of comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple weeks ago made me think that they're questioning things.

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix does like to cancel things after one season, and

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<v Speaker 2>it hasn't been showing up in the top ten. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of buzz on the show, but not too many

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<v Speaker 2>people are actually watching. Apparently, We'll see if that one

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<v Speaker 2>gets renewed. All Right, that is your comedy news for

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<v Speaker 2>today again tomorrow, the definitive List, no arguing the Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Rushmore of late night comedy, and a normal episode on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right meets you back here tomorrow