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back to the Pekanana Show. Old friends return. Are you

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doing Tom?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Pete? Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Cool. Well, we're going to talk about your new book.

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But let's get some stuff. I mean, this is literally

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two days after inauguration days, so let's let's let's talk

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about this a little bit. What are your impressions of

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what you've seen so far?

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Speaker 2: Well, I like a lot of these executive orders, but

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I haven't actually had a moment because I was out

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of town all last week, so I'm trying to catch up.

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I haven't had a moment to go through them systematically,

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but what I've seen in headline form looks pretty good

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to me. And then, of course, you know, I really

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was pulling for, you know, a pardon for Ross or

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a commutation, and we ended up getting way better than that.

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And on top of that, I thought, see, if I'd

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been Trump, what I would have done is I would

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have buried the Ross olbrick thing in a big pile

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of other controversial things, so that the media wouldn't have

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known what to do, they wouldn't have known where to start.

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Whereas he singled it out, you know, apart from that

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initial stack and even put out a big truth social

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thing calling the people who prosecuted Ross scum, you know,

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because I feel like Ross's story is not really one

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that normanis are going to go for so I would

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want to just you know, look, I'll shut up the libertarians,

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I'll quietly do this thing. But I guess it Trump

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just doesn't have it in him to do things quietly.

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Speaker 1: Well, the way I look at it is, if some

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hood gangbanger can get five years for killing two people,

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Ross has done his time.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, and that's that's true to like,

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you don't even have to be like some radical libertarian

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who wants all drugs legal to think there's something screwy

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about the sentence, and then to come to find out

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that the judge who imposed the ridiculous two life sentences

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plus forty years with no possibility parole said that, yes,

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this is going to be a harsher sentence than a

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drug dealer in brook Brooklyn would have gotten. Because Ross

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and his arguments are coming from a place of privilege,

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Well screw that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that needs to be reversed. And that Yeah,

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thankfully Trump did call it out like that. I mean, yeah,

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I understan stand burying it because a lot of noormies,

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especially on the right, will be like, well, I mean,

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he was just facilitating the sale of drugs and everything

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like that. But still, I mean it's like, come on,

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when you look at you maybe people think that he

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deserves the death penalty, but then well, I mean, if

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you believe in the rule of law and you believe that,

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you know these trials are supposed to work, all you

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have to do is look at this trial. And note

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was a kangaroo court. I mean, there was no the

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judge was introducing evidence, my mic. I've had problems with

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my mic staying staying connected, so now I'm talking through

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my my camera mic. But no worries.

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Speaker 2: It's just oh, that's because for a moment it was

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repeating like a broken record, and I thought, well, I'm

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not let him know that I have no idea what's

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going on, and then I'll wing it when he's done talking.

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Speaker 1: You know, these things happen when you're when you're episodes

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in and I'm over at thousand episode.

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Speaker 2: Every possible thing has happened. You know what, By the way,

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what one time I had a guest waiting for me.

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office and there's no key. There's no key.

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screw with the lock. So that's that's the least thing.

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is a judge who used evidence in the sentencing that

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wasn't even in the trial. Was like, oh, well he

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did this and he did that. It's like, wait a minute,

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did he get convicted of that? Was that even introduced

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into evidence? No, it wasn't. But you're using all of

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this and then you use you know, DEI type of language. No,

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screw that, man, Yeah, screw that.

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Speaker 2: No, forget that.

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Speaker 2: And the fact is it is impossible. And I will

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get off this in a minute, because obviously there are

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other things talking about, but it's impossible not to admire

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Ross's mother. Who I mean, that's her kid and she's

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going to defend him, come what may. But she did

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so in a way that was so uncompromising and energetic.

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as a hysteric. She didn't yell and scream. She just

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sounded like a grieving mom. And we all got to

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meet her, because she went to everything because she wanted

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to reach everybody and talk to everybody, and maybe by

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some miracle, she'd make some contact who could make this

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all go away. But boy, it's hard to make two

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life sentences plus forty years plus no possibility of parole

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goal away. There are only a handful of people who

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can make that happen. And it was over ten years,

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over ten year, eleven plus years that she spent going

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traversing the country and talking and meeting people. And to me,

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I'm in a way, I'm almost happier for her. It's

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incredible because I remember thinking to myself, how could you,

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how could you find joy in your life in anything,

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knowing that you're son is rotting in a cage. You know,

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you can't. You can't take pleasure in anything. You can't

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have an authentic smile or a laugh without feeling guilty

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about it. And now she has all that, and she

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has him back, and it's just you know, Trump set up,

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you know, famously said that you're gonna get tired of winning.

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You know, I frankly, Pete, I'm tired of losing.

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Speaker 1: I really am.

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Speaker 2: So when when there is an unambiguous win like this,

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I become like much more emotional than I think I

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would otherwise be, because it is so rare to see

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such an act of justice take place. Uh, and and

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to see a broken heart mend it right in front

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of your eyes.

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Speaker 1: I'm having problems with your audio. Your audio is cracking

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up a little bit. So it seems like we're having

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problems on and I checked that. It's not my ear piece,

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it's I checked it on an external speaker's and it's

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it's cracking. So we're having all sorts of trouble with

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Speaker 2: Well, do you want me to change my mic? I

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can do the ambient mic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to do that, Go ahead, right.

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Speaker 2: Let's give that a try. We're gonna use the eye

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is not as bad, can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: It's not as bad as almost built in microphones. It's decent.

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Speaker 1: So it's this way.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter anymore.

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Speaker 1: I've known, Yeah, I've known Lynn for about ten years now.

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And one of the things is that even if you

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hate Ross, you cannot hate Lynn. Yeah. I mean, once

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you meet her, it's you just see in her eyes

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the pain and one of the joys of my life

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was introducing people to her who had never met her

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before and watching these like like my friend Aaron met her,

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and Aaron's you know, this tall navy guy and everything,

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and he meets her and like as soon as I say, Hi,

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this is Lynn Albert, he just melts. You know. You

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just everybody just knows, you know what she went through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know she I've had her,

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you know that I've done. And I had my biggest

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event at the two thousandth episode that I did, and

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it was, you know, twenty five hundred people there, and

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I had her get up there and talk to them

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about Ross. And at the end, she was saying, I

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need my miracle. You know, there are miracles in the world.

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She talked about because she was trying to explain it's

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not pointless because there are people who've been in Ross's

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situation who have somehow overcome it, but they overcame it

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through a miracle. And she said to us, I need

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my miracle. And so when I heard about this, you know,

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I know a lot of people have her phone number.

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what I hoped was an unobtrusive email and at the end,

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I said, you got that miracle that you asked for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and thank Trump. Yeah he kept the h Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I realized by the way that I was tweeting,

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you know, about how great this was, but I hadn't

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thanked him. I'm not like he's ever going to see it.

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But it's still you do the right thing whether or

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not somebody sees it. And somebody said to me, you know,

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there is a guy who actually did this, And I said, oh,

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you're right. So I said, you know, hey, look, let's

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let's just come out and say it. Thank you Donald Trump.

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Bush or a John McCain or a Mitt Romney or

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a Barack Obama or Joe Biden doing this. And the

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thing is, Joe Biden could have taken this away from Trump.

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the wind out of his sales. But they're so bitter

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and evil that they couldn't even do that for political advantage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, was a bigger pardoner, big Mike Michelle.

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handful missing, but yeah, they all were there. I don't know.

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twenty sixteen was a fluke that they could just ride

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out and it would go away. But now they they've

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got their heads handed to them and they may realize

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that this thing is staying here. And by this thing

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they mean Trump and beyond, and at one point or

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another we're gonna have to figure out what to do

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about it, but we have to face it. I wonder

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if it's that or I don't know. Do you have

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a better answer.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe it seems like none of the ones has

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showed up had been given pardons, So maybe they were

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there to bend the knee and say, please don't throw

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me in jail and put me in.

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Speaker 2: Well, did you see I haven't seen it yet, but

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you see that Eric Adams did an interview with Tucker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it yet either.

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Speaker 2: I wonder what the purpose behind that is.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, there after him believe me. He

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he went against the orthodoxy, that's for sure. Well let's

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let's let's talk about something that Trump is a little

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more infamous for and not on the on the good side,

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you know it's not his fault. But you write a

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book recently, and I would hold it up if I

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didn't lend it. You know how you lend it to

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You lend it to someone and you're never going to

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get it back. You're never going to get it back to.

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Speaker 2: Oh sheez, I got half a library lent out to

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somebody who's never I got it right here.

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Speaker 1: Though, Diary of a Psychosis. What's the subtitle?

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Speaker 2: Subtitle is how Public Health disgraced itself during COVID Mania.

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it is very stark. But this was my idea because

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believe it or not, a National Book Award for how

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beautiful the cover was, and it won no other awards.

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And Pete, I can assure you I had nothing to

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do whatsoever with the cover. I had only to do

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with the contents. The contents won nothing but the cover.

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cover like this. But that was my idea because I

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liked the idea of like the nineteen fifties typewriter font

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really stark, like they're typing out somebody's like psychological evaluation

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or something, because it it was kind of like a psychosis.

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Speaker 1: How is it structured? I mean, it says diary on

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the cover, basically, what is it?

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Psychosis really is probably one of my better ideas in

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terms of book titles, because it describes it so well,

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because really it really is like a if not day

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by day nevertheless is a chronological rendering of the story

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because I was, as you know, writing I still do

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write an email newsletter, and I would write that newsletter

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about all kinds of topics, you know, anything from crime

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to foreign policy to whatever. But during these years, everybody

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was hungry for COVID information, So I started writing about that,

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and so I started observing day by day what was

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going on. And as the charts and graphs started to

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come out, they weren't telling the story that the official

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that the officials were telling us. And so I started

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reporting on that, well, this doesn't seem to correspond with

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what they're saying. The narrative being that if you're a

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good person and you obey our rules, you're gonna get

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good results, but if you're a bad person, you're going

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to get what's coming to you. That kind of thing

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that just didn't correspond to anything in reality at all.

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and this gave me the biggest jump in subscribers to

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my newsletter I've ever had, and doubled in a few

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months because I started giving away things, like I had

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written an ebook that I gave away for free called

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COVID Charts CNN for God, so he knows. I didn't

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have to say conservative or libertarian or right wing or

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COVID charts CNN forgot. Everybody knows what that means, Like,

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here's what's actually happening. So I decided to publish the

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book kind of arranging these different observations that I had

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so that you can observe this happening in real time.

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featured their authors on what happened during those years, but

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they'll typically be organized, like here's a chapter on the

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lockdown period, and here's a chapter on masks, and there's

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nothing wrong with that, But mine's different because you watch

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it unfolding, and you watch it getting crazier, and you

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watch my reaction as just a spectator observing events. And

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I think there's something compelling about that because it, for example,

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when younger people get older, there's gonna be no way

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to explain to them what this was like unless you

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put them in it. And that's what I'm trying to do.

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It really kind of puts you back in it. And

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the other benefit of that is that there are a

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lot of little details that I would write about, you know,

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on a particular day, that people might have forgotten three

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weeks later. But I didn't forget because I've got all

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these missives that I sent out, so little details like

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Alachua County is where Jacksonville is where I live in Florida.

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in Florida. And they put out this rule saying you

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can have one person per thousand square feet in a

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retail establishment, and then somebody wanted to know where they where?

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Did you guys ever get that, by the way, where'd

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you get that number? And the answer was, well, we

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just thought it would be easy math for everybody to do.

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So this is this is quote unquote science behind it.

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not it's not that big of a deal, but yet

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it does tell you something you know about the character

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this whole episode. So my book is filled with yes,

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all the big things and all the dumb things they said,

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but it's also peppered, you know, as as with a

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Dick Cheney rifle, with all these little tiny details that

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are that have been forgotten that I think collectively kind

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of tell the story because I mean, Pete, we were

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all talking to each other about crazy things going on

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in our area that nobody else knew about in any

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other area. I got all those, by the way, was

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the first, not quite the first restaurant meal I had.

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That first one was with Jenna in Georgia at the

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at Morton's Steakhouse, shortly after they reopened. But while we

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were up there, we had lunch with you.

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Speaker 1: We had lunch on May first of twenty twenty at

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at the what is it called Seasons fifty two Seasons fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Was a great as chains go. That's a great one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My buddy marvelous Mark Walker came over from Birmingham

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and we all sat there while the whole crew was masked,

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and we sat there and we ate and we drank,

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and we stayed there for a couple hours and we

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took a picture posted it on I took a picture

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and posted it on Facebook, and people were freaking out, like,

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where are you guys out eating at Yeah?

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that trip, the reason we went up there was it

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at the time, Florida still you still couldn't dine it

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even in Florida. But Georgia Governor camp opened a little bit.

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We're gonna eat in a restaurant, Doug Hunt. So we

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did that, and so that's when we met with you.

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But one of the days we went for lunch and

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had a sandwich somewhere and I posted that sandwich on Twitter,

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just a picture of a sandwich Piet And I think,

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at least at that time, that was by far the

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biggest Twitter post I had ever had, the damn sandwich,

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because the sandwich was a symbol of normality. And then

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in June we visited Tom de Lorenzo in Delray Beach, Florida.

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bit in Florida. So we visited Tom there and there

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was an open air bar that had live music, and

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we got a picture of the four of us and

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posted that and realized that the number of people are

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anywhere in the world enjoying live music in June twenty

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twenty must have been vanishingly small, but we were part

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of it. That was kind of how I the whole time.

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many states to have more than a certain number of

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people at your home or anywhere else for that matter,

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for a gathering. Maybe it was fifty or whatever, depended

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on the state. But I decided, and you've come to them,

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but I decided to start having house parties at my house.

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Speaker 1: There. I was, yeah, the first one, Yeah, the.

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so we put a little sign that was right next

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to the name tag table that said, welcome to the

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old normal. You know, because of this all this new normal,

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just dystopian crap, and people were like thanking me, like

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you wouldn't believe it. We haven't done anything in six months,

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and I lived in a state where I could do

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this and not be raided. But then the next month

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I went and did something in a state where I

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could have been raided. I went to here. I am

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little mild mannered Tom Woods, but I actually in February

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of twenty twenty one, I went out to California and

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I did an event with Mark Skousen. And Mark Skousen,

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you know, has one foot in libertarianism, in one foot

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kind of in the establishment, so I really respected that

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he put on a speakeasy event. We were absolutely not

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allowed to have this event. This was a venue that

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had been shut down because of the because of the

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you know, because of the restrictions, but also it had

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its liquor license revoke because it stayed open too long.

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we had hundreds of people there in complete defiance of this.

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it was the craziest thing. They were all thanking me.

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I mean, like thanks like I've never received for just

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coming out there and putting on an event.

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Speaker 1: I remember the the Ron Paul event that he normally

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has in uh In, Like Jackson in November that year,

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you you gave a speech. Well, what I remember most

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about that event was, well two things. While we were

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sitting there, they announced it was a Saturday. It was

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a Saturday after the election. The election was Tuesday. Saturday

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was the election Saturday. They announced that Joe Biden won

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while we were sitting there. And the other thing I

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remember about that was it was a facility that doctor

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Paul had never used before and he could only use

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it because there were because the normal facility wouldn't have them.

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And like everyone there who was working there was masked up.

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But by the end of it, everyone was taking off

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their masks, and you know, it was it was it

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was almost like people needed to be given permission to

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act normal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what it's. That is such an interesting phenomenon, Pete.

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That goes beyond COVID. Like Ron gave them permission. Ron

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and Pap Buchanan gave conservatives permission to have a different

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opinion on Israel, for example, you know, which they didn't

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even some of them didn't even think about it one

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way or the other. They just accepted the default. But also,

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you know, on so on war itself, there were a

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lot of people who were uneasy about it, but they

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didn't want to you know, that that would put me

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on the wrong team or something. Well, likewise, with the masking,

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what I felt like would happen, And it turns out

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on this I was right. I wasn't right about everything,

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but on this I was right that once a certain

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critical mass of people started taking the masks off, they're

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all going to come off with the exception of a

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handful of psychos. And that's more or less what's happened.

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So yeah, that event, it was incredible. Was November twenty twenty.

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We had this thing where we were all unmasked, as

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you say, even the staff started taking them off, and

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I gave a speech called the COVID Cult. And this

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was one of these Mesas Institute events where it's a

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one day event and they do really short talks, so

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it was like twenty minutes. And this talk went absolutely

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berserk on YouTube and on Facebook where it was embedded,

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and it had about a million and a half views

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before both platforms took it down, and then we got

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the you know, the inevitable fact check. So I did

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an episode of my podcast about the fact check and

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whether the fact check was stupid. It was because I mean,

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I kid you on one of the facts that was

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checked was I was arguing that lockdowns were obviously overwhelmingly

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and net minus, and the fact check was, well, some

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people disagree. Okay, that doesn't mean it it take that

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thing down. It was crazy. So it wound up on

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Rumble and Bitch Shoot and everywhere else. People could still

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watch it, but it was crazy, and it meant that

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from that point on, it was no longer possible for

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me to build a mailing list by offering on YouTube

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to give away a free bit of information because that

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video would never stay so it you know, it really

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made me think that I'm now living in a place

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that I don't recognize. I mean, it's younger people won't

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remember this, but Pete, you you remember, fifteen years ago,

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you could put anything on YouTube. You know, almost nothing

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was taken off YouTube. Everybody you and I know were

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on YouTube, you know, And so suddenly that just wasn't

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wasn't the case anymore. Then the following year, the Visas

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Institute did an event. I forget what Florida city it was,

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but a very very nice hotel and dog gone at

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The staff is still masked. Nobody in the in the

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dining room was masked.

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Speaker 1: And so I over twenty twenty. That was October twenty

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twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you remember this, okay. I was one of

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the dinner speakers, and Pete this was like, you know,

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if I can't be president of the United States, if

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I can't have a Ronald Reagan tear down this wall moment.

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My second second best was I made a nice thing.

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I said, the the staff here at the Don Cissar

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has been very very accommodating and charming and friendly and welcoming,

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and we're very grateful for the hospitality we've received. However,

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I do have one request from all the people in here,

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and that is unmask these employees. That is what I said.

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And there was huge cheer and the employee someone them

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are waving at me. I mean, what, just an unbelievable

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nut house. And then there's nothing, there's no you know.

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At the beginning, again, I'm not I don't come into

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this as a guy who had read the literature on masks.

475
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You know, who would you know unless you're a specialist

476
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in this, why would you So I didn't know anything

477
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about that. So at the very beginning I even thought, well,

478
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I don't know, maybe masks will help a little bit

479
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to get its transitioning back to normal. I didn't know.

480
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I never said that publicly, but I was thinking it.

481
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So I waited on the masks, and then they obviously

482
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have no effect that you could just look at. You

483
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look at demographically identical populations right next to each other,

484
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,319
different masking regimens, but the same results. Well that means

485
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,799
the masks don't do anything. That's what that means. And

486
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especially when it's repeated over and over and over again. Well,

487
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,920
it turns out that the literature on this is just overwhelming.

488
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,440
I mean it's absolutely overwhelming. If you're gonna find anything

489
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that says masks work, it's always some dumb mannequin study,

490
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or if they're rapolating or they're doing so or for example,

491
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,400
this is a great example. The CDC even touted this

492
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,680
study and it involved a couple of counties in Kansas,

493
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one masked, one unmasked, and they said, look, the masked

494
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,720
county has much better health results, and they showed it

495
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on the chart, and then they arbitrarily cut off the chart.

496
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You wonder, I wonder what the phenomenon was after the chart.

497
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,799
How did those lines keep going well after the chart

498
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,519
and for much longer. Exactly the opposite result occurs. But

499
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:33,200
there's no clarification, there's no correction, there's no apology. This

500
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was how the so called literature unmasking went, so there's

501
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,880
nothing to it at all. So today the people you

502
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,720
see on a daily basis who still wear them, you know,

503
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,759
I just my wife has to restrain me because I

504
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:49,319
want to work to them and say, what do you

505
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:52,160
think that's accomplishing? Like what study have you seen that

506
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,440
says people like you are healthier than people like me,

507
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,200
And she just, you know, she's trying to let me know.

508
00:26:57,759 --> 00:26:59,640
There's nothing you can say to get through to somebody

509
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,960
like this. Don't disturb your own tranquility. There are enough

510
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,839
things in ordinary life doing that already.

511
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Speaker 1: Well. One of the things I remember most about that

512
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,599
year was some of us were podcasting on it very early.

513
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,039
I think my earliest podcast was in the middle of

514
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:20,599
February talking about this. But I even had you and

515
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:24,559
Michael Bolden on early in like March, when they were

516
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starting to talk about lockdowns and doing certain things, and

517
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you know, we talked about nullification, and we talked about federalism,

518
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and you know, it was funny because I think the

519
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,000
joke was we were making was if anyone would have

520
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:39,200
told us in January of twenty twenty that federalism would

521
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have been a national debate, we would have liked. We

522
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would have told you were nuts, right, Yeah.

523
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, we would have. And I and I

524
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:53,039
admitted also that I had been wrong about how how

525
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,640
somewhat robust American federalism still is if only we decide

526
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,279
we want it, because because you know, believe me, I

527
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:06,240
am well aware of the problems with Ron DeSantis. But

528
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,000
at the same time, I would be an idiot not

529
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,319
to acknowledge that my kids had mostly normal lives thanks

530
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,319
to him, and I you know, I'm glad. I'm glad

531
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,160
for that. So yeah, so all that's true. I remember

532
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,119
those early days when we were all trying to figure

533
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,119
out where this was all going, what the endpoint was

534
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,960
going to be. Eventually, last year I had an opportunity

535
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,119
because I had written this book and by the way,

536
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,839
the website for the book. I am so proud of

537
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,079
it's diary off covid dot com. There's like a two

538
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,559
minute video on there, and it blows me away every

539
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:42,119
time I watch it. I could never make a video

540
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,039
like that if I had twelve lifetimes, but it summarizes

541
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:49,599
the insanity in about two minutes. Diary of covid dot Com. Well, anyway,

542
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,279
I had a chance to do a debate because our

543
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:54,759
friend Gene Epstein is on my case to do debates

544
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:57,880
because he runs a debate society. And he finally thought, well,

545
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,680
now I got woods. I know he wants to promote

546
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,359
his book. I'll get him to debate. So sure enough

547
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:05,039
we did that. And his thought was, and I think

548
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,240
this is true. If he has a let's say, a

549
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,960
medical guy debating, he looks for a medical, medically trained

550
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,119
debate partner. If it's a layman debating, he looks for

551
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:17,319
another layman. So that was how we did it. So

552
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:22,920
he found somebody named Brent Orrell from the American Enterprise

553
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Institute who was going to argue that lockdowns had been

554
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,880
a good idea, lockdowns and masking and the whole thing.

555
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,400
And so I said, yeah, I'll debate that guy, and

556
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,200
I spent I mean, I put a lot of work

557
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,519
into my opening statement, which I'm very proud of. I

558
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,319
published it in I have a print newsletter for supporters.

559
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,759
I was very proud of that thing, and there is

560
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,119
a video of it. It turned out that the debate

561
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,799
didn't happen because his granddaughter, like four year old granddaughter

562
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,720
died like two days beforehand, and it was like a

563
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:52,720
horrible tragedy.

564
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,359
Speaker 1: It's horrible.

565
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what ended up happening was he had written

566
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,319
out his opening remarks, so Jeane just read his opening

567
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,440
remarks and then I read mine, and then we just

568
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,039
had a Q and A with the audience. So, you know, okay.

569
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,640
But I remember, as I was prepping for this, thinking,

570
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,839
I've been on top of this for years now. I mean,

571
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,319
at this point, I I kind of know everything there

572
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:17,920
is to know. And I'm not saying that to brag.

573
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,960
It's just that I saw, I thought about, and it's

574
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,359
all I wrote about for three four years, and so I,

575
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,839
for the life of me, I could not anticipate what

576
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,240
could his arguments possibly be. So I remember actually saying

577
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,000
to Jenna as we were sitting there watching Gene give

578
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:36,039
the remarks, I was thinking. I said to her, I'm

579
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:37,799
gonna take notes, but I'm a little nervous. I mean,

580
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:42,759
maybe maybe he's got some things that I've never seen before. Pete,

581
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,920
you can look at the video for yourself. It was

582
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,720
the lamest opening statement you can imagine. It was all

583
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:50,960
hot air. It was. There was one chart that was

584
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,160
slightly challenging, but it didn't take that much to bat

585
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,160
it down. But the rest of it was was awful.

586
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,559
It was like nothing.

587
00:30:59,559 --> 00:30:59,799
Speaker 1: It was.

588
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,319
Speaker 2: By the time I looked down at my notes, I

589
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,880
hadn't written a thing. And I turned to her and said,

590
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:07,079
I can take care of this. And I went up

591
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,559
and gave my thing. And I had a ton of charts.

592
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:12,920
And I'm not usually the visual aid type. I want

593
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,279
to keep people spellbound on the strength of my speaking

594
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:19,359
skill alone. I don't want to have a PowerPoint presentation.

595
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160
But for this you have to, because these charts are

596
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,319
just devastating. They are like a stake through the heart

597
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:31,200
of Dracula, you know, really, And so I've got this charge,

598
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,839
I said, Okay. One of these lines is the twenty

599
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,559
five most lockdown states, and the other one is the

600
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,519
most lenient states, which is which I mean we should

601
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,160
all be able to tell, right, if this was worth

602
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,880
destroying people's lives and hopes and dreams and jobs and

603
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,160
businesses and life savings and surgeries and health and mental health.

604
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,559
For surely we ought to be able to tell the difference.

605
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,240
And you can't. And so the present was just merciless

606
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,799
like drawing, drawing from this, just drawing from this, over

607
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:09,400
and over and over, merciless hammering away at this. So

608
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:13,400
I feel like I wish I hadn't been deprived. I mean,

609
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,759
obviously it's a terrible tragedy what happened to him, But

610
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:17,759
I wish we'd have been able to actually have the

611
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:22,079
debate because and what I also understand is he knew

612
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,240
I had written a book. He even quoted me at

613
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,680
one point in his opening statement, So he has to

614
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,119
know what my arguments are going to be, and he

615
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,160
anticipated none of them. And it made me think, because

616
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,599
because you know, sometimes even I, who spent so much

617
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,839
time and wrote I don't know, maybe a million words.

618
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,400
I don't know how many words I wrote on this,

619
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,960
even I think, well, you know, I can't read everything.

620
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,359
Maybe I missed something. Maybe the people in charge, if

621
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,640
they were debating me, maybe they would bring up arguments

622
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,240
that I never even dreamed of. You know, you doubt

623
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,960
yourself sometimes, and then I saw this and I realized,

624
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,240
no I had. I never had any reason to fear that.

625
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,799
Speaker 1: The Well, let's talk about this the book. I think

626
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,240
that if you where is it that you go to

627
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,119
the book? You can buy the book, and then you

628
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,200
can also get a bonus. What is the Oh?

629
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a Diary of covid dot com. I mean

630
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,319
you can get the book anywhere you want. You can

631
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,279
also get it a Diary of covid dot com and

632
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,559
there I sell it for cost plus shipping. No, there's

633
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,279
no profit in there. It's just cost plus shipping. I'm

634
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:31,480
not going to shift it to you as fast as

635
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,079
Amazon will, but it'll be a little cheaper. But whether

636
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,599
or not you get it from me, you can get

637
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,200
it on any other place. You can still go to

638
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,319
Diary of covid dot com and claim a couple of bonuses.

639
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:44,359
And the more significant of the two bonuses that you

640
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,519
get is a second volume, an electronic version, and it's

641
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:54,039
called Collateral Damage. Victims of the lockdown regime tell their

642
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:58,000
stories that so you can read that on an eReader

643
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,759
or whatever. But what I did. There was I recalled

644
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:05,519
some of the stories that people were writing to me.

645
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:08,039
People were writing to me because they were getting my

646
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,960
email newsletter, and their families thought they were crazy and

647
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,119
they had nobody to talk to. But they had had

648
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,559
some awful, awful tragedy happened to them because of this

649
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,639
lockdown regime, and they just needed to talk to somebody,

650
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,760
and so I was the person, and they would tell

651
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,440
me these stories. Now, some of these stories, you know,

652
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:30,480
have triumphant endings, some of them don't. But either way,

653
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:32,800
they just wanted somebody to listen to them, you know,

654
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,480
somebody who wasn't going to say, how dare you complain

655
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,599
about what our wise overlords are doing? What do you

656
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:39,679
want to have your grandmother die? I mean, you remember,

657
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,159
we couldn't even talk about suffering that people had because

658
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,519
of these measures. So I then approached all these people

659
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,000
and said, I'm putting together a collection of these stories

660
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:53,920
because as far as I know, there is no such

661
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,519
collection anywhere, and I'm pretty sure that's still true four

662
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,239
years into this, almost five years, there's no book of

663
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:06,320
stories of people who suffered from what Fauci did. That's

664
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,400
that's insane. So I put it together and you get

665
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,320
it as a free bonus at Diary of covid dot com.

666
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,679
Speaker 1: You know, I was as Trump is pardoning the j

667
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,719
six January sixth prisoners. Someone put out a tweet that was,

668
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,679
you know, heart wrenching, said, Trump pardoned posthumously these four

669
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,760
men who committed suicide while they were while they were jailed.

670
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,400
And that's on the scale of fifteen hundred. You know,

671
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,199
you have to wonder when you look at the scale

672
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,280
of you know, COVID, what the oh yeah, yeah, And

673
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:52,400
not only that, but the what the vaccine has done.

674
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,880
And I remember you and I, You and I were

675
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,440
having having a back and forth. I think it was

676
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,920
in June of twenty twenty, and the question the subject was,

677
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,960
how is there any podcaster doesn't have to be libertarian,

678
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:13,519
could be anyone not talking about this? How is this

679
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,800
not the only thing the only thing?

680
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: You brought that up? Well, first of all, you and

681
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,519
I I won't say the name, but you and I

682
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,079
have a friend who lost his son because of this.

683
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,400
His son just couldn't go on in this dystopian world.

684
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:32,119
I mean, I I just absolutely.

685
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:33,599
Speaker 1: I just got a card from them the other day.

686
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:40,599
Speaker 2: Well, I started to doubt myself after a while, like

687
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:43,039
like bye bye. I don't know what the date was,

688
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,840
but I started to wonder should I be talking about

689
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,000
other things now? Like have I is this all worn out?

690
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:50,920
Should I in my news letter? Should I talk about

691
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,679
other things? And every time I would start to, some

692
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,119
other crazy bs would come up, and I, you know,

693
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,159
just when I thought I was out, they pulled me

694
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,840
back in Kenneth. That just kept on happening, and I

695
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,440
felt like, even after the whole thing is, you know,

696
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:10,039
quote unquote sort of over, it's not really over if

697
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,440
we haven't learned the right lessons from it. Because what

698
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,480
keeps happening in I guess in all of history, but

699
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,159
US history in particular, is that we have some terrible crisis.

700
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:23,239
Everybody draws the wrong lessons from it. The crisis ends,

701
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,199
another similar crisis occurs, and they try to apply of

702
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,880
the wrong lessons to that one. And like, I if

703
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,960
the lesson we're going to draw from this is that

704
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:36,760
whise public servants tried to navigate this terrible pandemic, but

705
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,840
a bunch of stupid heads got in the way because

706
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,199
they hate science, And next time we better listen to

707
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,719
them even harder. Then I'm sorry. I have to keep

708
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,280
talking about it, you know, until we get this right.

709
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,400
So I do still from time to time, even now

710
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,239
we have to talk about it because now they're talking

711
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,400
about bird flu whatever the hell else it is. But

712
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:58,320
I do think at least this time, if they ever

713
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,239
tried something like this, there would at least be a remnant.

714
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,639
Maybe that's the term of people who just from the

715
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:09,719
start are just not just not complying. But yeah, but

716
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:14,360
there's an organization in the UK called the Institute of

717
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,000
Economic Affairs, and you know, and I used to kind

718
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,400
of like them. They actually published a book on Catholic

719
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,719
social teaching that I contributed a chapter two on the

720
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,360
just wage, and so I kind of liked them, and

721
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,159
then they kind of liked me. And then during this

722
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,559
I remember one day I checked their Twitter feed, I

723
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:33,480
don't know why, and they were talking about like some

724
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,119
kind of trade agreement between the UK and Australia, some

725
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,239
kind of like secure thing, and this was like and

726
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,280
I was going back and back and looking at there,

727
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,320
and it was all about this or you know, or

728
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,719
about ticket prices on the train or some kind of

729
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,840
thing like that, and I thought, well, you know, if

730
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,760
the ticket prices are too high. I guess it's legit

731
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,079
to complain about that, but it seems like an odd

732
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:58,079
time to do that. And then you started to notice

733
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:01,400
a pattern, like the Libertarian Party in the US, you

734
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:05,639
would find them tweeting about civil asset forfeiture. Now, Pete,

735
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:08,960
you and I yield to no one in our agreement

736
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,760
that civil asset forfeiture can be abused, you know, and

737
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,920
it's a problem, But that is not what I'm talking about.

738
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,280
In twenty twenty, you know, it was really odd or

739
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,960
they would be annoyed with you. They would say it

740
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,599
would be like, well, I guess if you must, then yes,

741
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:28,400
they shouldn't force masks on you, but you should wear

742
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,000
them like that was the boldness we got from those people.

743
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,440
And yes, so people who couldn't figure out, as we

744
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,360
now say, what time it was were like some of

745
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,000
the most frustrating ones of all.

746
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,079
Speaker 1: What do you think RFK has planned? Oh?

747
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:49,639
Speaker 2: I wish I doug on, I wish I knew. I

748
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,519
have to say. So it's looking like he's gonna he's

749
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:59,360
gonna get confirmed. And I have a I have kind

750
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,760
of a source who we were talking about this and

751
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,480
and I said, and they were talking about the future

752
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,559
of health in the US, and I said, well, this

753
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:14,440
all assumes that rfk is could of get approved by

754
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,079
the Senate. And this person said to me, Oh, he's

755
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:18,639
going to get approved. You don't have to worry about that.

756
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,119
And I thought, oh, I wish I had I wish

757
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,519
I knew how you knew that. But but but sure enough,

758
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:26,880
it does look that way. I don't know, there's all

759
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,880
kinds of speculation. I mean, right now, I don't know

760
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,880
what this measure by Trump is all about. To you

761
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:37,000
about he put a halt to external communications from US

762
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,559
health agencies, so they can't issue press releases or reports

763
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,079
or anything until further notice. Did you hear about that?

764
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I mean I guess if anything to me,

765
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:52,239
you know, if if I was taking the white Pill

766
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,599
position would be that he's there going to be audited.

767
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:58,280
It would be a heavy audit, and they don't want

768
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,000
anything being leaked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

769
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,599
Speaker 2: I think so, because I don't know what else to

770
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:12,320
conclude from that, or it's you know, it's it's because

771
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,679
I think there's going to be a whole new kind

772
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,239
of messaging going on, and they probably want to start

773
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,320
with a clean slate. But that was such a wild decision,

774
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,599
so out of the blue, I wasn't expecting. But as

775
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:26,679
far as RFK, I mean, I don't know if he's

776
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,159
going to go after high fructose corn syrup or not.

777
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,199
But I feel like maybe the emphasis on that and

778
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,280
I'm you know, I who am I I'm not even

779
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,159
qualified talking about this, but might be misplaced in that.

780
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,320
It's not like sugar is that much better, you know,

781
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,000
like we probably should be focused on the whole you know,

782
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:50,440
sweetener problem. But at the very least, even if all

783
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:53,239
he did, although I think he's going to go further,

784
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,360
even if all he did was change the messaging about

785
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,159
what you should eat, what you shouldn't eat, and it's

786
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,360
it's just absolutely the opposite of what we've been told.

787
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,320
That's a huge step forward. I mean, the bully pulpit

788
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,760
role of the president. I think I could imagine an

789
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,199
RFK being the most publicly visible HHS secretary maybe we've

790
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,800
ever had, because you're not going to shut that guy up.

791
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,039
He's going to be everywhere, speaking at every opportunity. So

792
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,519
so certainly for one thing, well, we're going to get that,

793
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,320
but I want Oh and by the way, did you

794
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,679
notice that I don't particularly care for it. But the

795
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,679
Steak Can Shake fast food chain announced they're going to

796
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,199
use beef tallow for their fries. Yeah that's now, that

797
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,360
didn't happen at random, you know, make America healthy again?

798
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:44,639
Speaker 1: Right?

799
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: So so I think even just by example, some things

800
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,239
will change. He I bet you. You know, he'll probably

801
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,119
try to ban some things. But it wouldn't surprise me

802
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:58,199
if if he was trying to push he's not trying

803
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:04,000
to influence the research, but but encourage research into forbidden questions.

804
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,880
You know, he may say what he needs to say

805
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,119
to get in there about vaccination, but I wonder what

806
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,559
he'll what He will encourage researchers to look into.

807
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,159
Speaker 1: Who wrote the forward to year book and what is

808
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,119
his position in the new administration?

809
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: Ah, this is like, you know, I'm supposed to be

810
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:26,360
like the obscure guy that everybody keeps at arm's length.

811
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,559
So I don't know what to do about this. But

812
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:33,079
Jay Badicharia wrote the forward to Diary of a Psychosis,

813
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:38,679
and he was smeared by Fauci and by Francis Collins.

814
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,519
You know, they wrote privately about him and what needed

815
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,360
to be done about him. For dissenting on the COVID response,

816
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,639
and he was named by name by the White House

817
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,719
as somebody they wanted whose voice they wanted suppressed on

818
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,559
social media. That was how much they didn't like him.

819
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,559
And at his home University of Stanford, he was treated

820
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:03,239
absurdly by a faculty he had been quite congenial with

821
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,519
for many years before COVID came along. He had never

822
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:08,559
so much as written an op ed for a newspaper.

823
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,880
He had never been on television. He never done any

824
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,360
of this, didn't want to. It's just a quiet guy

825
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:17,760
doing research. And then he said what you're doing is

826
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,719
barbaric and inhuman and you shouldn't do it, and just

827
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,679
all hell broke clues. So for him to go from

828
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:29,400
that position to now being the nominee for the National

829
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,079
Institutes of Health, the very institution whose head smeared him,

830
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,800
is one of the most amazing turnarounds ever. I mean,

831
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,119
it's like Ross gooing free. It's one of the most

832
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:45,320
unlikely outcomes imaginable. And he is a very good and

833
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,199
decent guy, like maybe too good and decent in some ways.

834
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:55,199
But but I you know, I wondered, I Jay's not

835
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,320
the sort to say, well, I'm overseeing forty billion dollars

836
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,960
in me medical research money, and I'm going to make

837
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,679
sure my enemies don't get any of it. He's not

838
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,880
that sort, but I do believe he will be the

839
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,239
sort to say, I'm overseeing forty million dollars in medical

840
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,239
research money, and if if any campus treats a faculty

841
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,920
member the way Stanford treated me, you can kiss that

842
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,559
money goodbye. And you know I'll take that. I will

843
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,039
take that as a as a middle of the road position.

844
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,000
So when I asked him to write the forward to

845
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,079
this book, this was well before he was you know,

846
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:32,800
will we even nobody even knew I Trump was going

847
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,599
to win, much less that he would be nominated. But

848
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:39,920
he was a distinguished, very well liked professor at Stanford.

849
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:44,199
In fact, the current professor of Harvard issued a nice

850
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,599
statement about him when the nomination when he came out

851
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:50,119
named to be the nominee for this because the two

852
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:52,480
of them have done a number of papers together, and

853
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:56,760
so Professor Alan Garber at Harvard said good things, and

854
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:02,119
he said, I'm sure he will serve with distinction. Okay, nice,

855
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,280
But I said to Jay, look, you and I have

856
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,360
very different styles, you know, I'm over the top, bombastic,

857
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,280
in your face, very tough, and you are the mild mannered,

858
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,960
scholarly type. And so I realized that if you put

859
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,320
your name on my book, you know, it's it's gonna

860
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,360
cost you a lot, and it's gonna gain It's gonna

861
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,360
gain me, but it's gonna cost you. And I was

862
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,519
listening all I actually I listed all the reasons he

863
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:28,960
shouldn't do it, and I said, so I have now

864
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,039
given you all the reasons you need to tell me no,

865
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,440
But if you do it, I'll pay you X dollars

866
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,840
and I'll be in your debt. And he wrote back

867
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,639
to me within minutes and said, not only not only

868
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:44,199
would it be my pleasure to write this forward for you,

869
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,960
but I refuse to accept one cent for doing it.

870
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,000
That's a good guy. That's just flat out a good guy.

871
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:56,079
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the other guy, because he was given

872
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:59,559
a pardon for what? What could what did fact she

873
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:00,320
need to be pardon?

874
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: Oh geez, you know they were there were rumors that

875
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,440
this might happen, and I remember thinking, I don't know,

876
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,920
maybe maybe not. You can't put anything past these people,

877
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,480
but some of it could be you know what He

878
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,079
he that he could allied about gain of function research.

879
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:19,719
Some of it could could have to do with that

880
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:25,599
very research. I mean, I think it could go. I

881
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,039
don't exactly know what the nature of the charges themselves

882
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,920
would have to be, but to my mind the issue

883
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,079
would be because I mean, I don't know you can

884
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,480
put him in jail for it. But he was pushing

885
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,840
vaccine mandates. In fact, he wanted it harsher than Biden

886
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,400
because Biden's thing was you could get tested every week,

887
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,440
and and Fauci said, we shouldn't have even given them

888
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,159
that out. It should have been you get the shot,

889
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,800
or you lose your job. So there was that, if

890
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,840
I bet, if I looked, I would find him to

891
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,920
have been misleading about the dangers involved in the shots,

892
00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:01,199
the advice that young show or a pregnant women should

893
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:05,199
get the shots, when the information on that was not

894
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,719
what he was saying it was, or was at the

895
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,679
very least indeterminate at the time that he said it.

896
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,440
You know, the masking, the child masking. So there are

897
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,639
a lot of things, and the closed schools, so there

898
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:17,840
are a lot of things he did that he ought

899
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,159
to be punished for. But in terms of what the

900
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,480
legal punishment could be, well, some of it could be,

901
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:27,800
you know, lying under oath, I suppose, but I'm not

902
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,199
exactly sure how you would what you would bring against

903
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,320
him in terms of a legal point of view. But

904
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,800
morally and from the cause of truth, he was just

905
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,639
he was just all wrong, consistently through the whole thing.

906
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,840
And half the time he was contradicting things he had

907
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,519
said a couple of years earlier, or even months earlier.

908
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,000
I mean he said at the very beginning, nobody should

909
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,360
be walking around wearing a mask, and then it was

910
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,639
masks are protective, you know, any kind of mask, even

911
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,320
the piece of paper basically masks that people were wearing.

912
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,960
That later everybody admitted don't do anything. To the very end,

913
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,559
he claimed that they were so you couldn't rely on

914
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:05,480
a single thing, the guy said. And he went from

915
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,480
having an over ninety percent approval rating at the very

916
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,679
beginning because people looked at him. He was a sure voice, right,

917
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,039
he's this old man, he's been around forever, so.

918
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,599
Speaker 1: They liked him.

919
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: But I forget how far into it it was, but

920
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:21,800
eventually there was a poll showing it was like forty

921
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:27,639
four to forty two percent negative, and ABC wasn't posing

922
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:29,960
him in a negative light The New York Times. Wasn't

923
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:33,079
that showed the power of independent media. How else did

924
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:34,639
people get a negative view of Fauci.

925
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:38,559
Speaker 1: I think some of it might have to do with

926
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:40,840
the fact too, that Bobby Kennedy wrote a book that

927
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,639
not only talked about what he did during COVID, but

928
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:49,199
oh in before co T and like the involuntary experiments

929
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,360
on orphans that they were doing in their ear.

930
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,159
Speaker 2: Yes, I think unfortunately the Statute of Limitations probably passed

931
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,400
on that. So in terms of getting him in trouble

932
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,320
for it, but he should be shamed for the rest

933
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,119
of his life for it.

934
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:03,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I know we both have heard outs now,

935
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:06,280
so this is the time when Tom Woods promotes what

936
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:06,880
he wants to.

937
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the marketing gods say you should promote

938
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,639
only one link, and I'm going to I'm going to

939
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:16,559
be a heretic today and instead promote two things. So

940
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:18,639
one of them is Diary off covid dot com.

941
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: That's where you.

942
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: Can get the book. Can get the book anywhere, but

943
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,960
you can get it there for the cheapest and no

944
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,800
matter where you get it at Diary of coovid dot

945
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,119
com you can also get the bonuses. But the other

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thing is just Tom woods dot com because if you

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look down there, it's like everything I do. Everything I do.

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I do a lot of different things and maybe you'll

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be interested in one or two of them. So Tom

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woods dot.

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Speaker 1: Com appreciate it. Tom always can't wait to see the

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next time. Thanks A.

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Speaker 2: Milling, Pete