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Speaker 1: We're Tarmin Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.

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Hello get and welcome back to another edition of the PSO.

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I am the teen, you'r Tilo Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm

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here with the Low and your til Lorens. My love husband,

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are your lovely husband?

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Speaker 2: Wonderfully fantastic.

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Speaker 1: We have so much to talk about this topic heavy podcast.

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We have matters of style to discuss, matters of celebrity

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to discuss, and then we're going to talk about two

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TV shows. So it is living up to its name,

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The Pop Style Opinion Fest. Anything else you want any

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happy talking, you want to get out of your system?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's just beautiful out, sunny, beautiful out.

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Speaker 1: All the tourists are here in Philadelphia, and.

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Speaker 2: I know you actually took a picture of.

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Speaker 1: The line for the Liberty Bill this morning was just insane.

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So it's that time of year. And also it's the

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two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, but we won't be here

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for it anyway. Yeah, we're traveling to Europe, so we

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want this.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't planned that way, We just happened to.

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Speaker 1: It just happened to be. Well, we're going for a wedding.

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We're going to Ireland for a wedding and then we're

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going to We said we were going to tell people

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we're going to Edinburgh. After that we're.

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Speaker 2: Going to Scotland. Yeah, so that's buh, very very I'm

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so excited. Looks like, oh my god, the most beautiful place.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be so hot though. Yes, all right, so

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that's our little happy talk. The cats are fine. Everything's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's fine.

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Speaker 1: Everything's fine, everything's everything.

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Speaker 2: Tab is coming.

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Speaker 1: Tab is going to jump up on the table any second,

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any second, anyway with a big thump. All right, So

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right out the gate, let's talk about matters of fashion,

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which is Olivia Rodrigo, the pop singer, is embroiled in

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a silly little controversy. It's not really a controversy at all,

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but she has brought I guess single hand because I

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guarantee this is now going to become a fashion item.

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So probably single handedly has brought the baby doll dress

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back into style. She last month wore one on stage

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to perform her late.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's on the cover of the new album, so

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it's all part of her branding of the whole package

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for the new album. Called you Look Pretty Sad for

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a growing love.

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Speaker 1: Right, and then the single she wore on stage like

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in the video or something drop dead, which.

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Speaker 2: Is amazing song I love is it okay?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Make me laugh? Cor Tom said that in terms of

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pop music, I have the dates of a sixteen year

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old girl, does I do? But that song is amazing. Anyway,

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I think she's very talented.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I think she's very talented, and I

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think she's very naive about baby doll dress. So let's

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start off with this. So she wore a baby doll dress,

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and let's define this baby doll dresses. It is a

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specific style of dress which is meant to mimic juvenile dresses,

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dresses for little girls. So it's a very short skirt,

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like very micro short skirt, like if she raised her arms,

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you would see her pante like you. That's usually she's

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built in feature of it.

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Speaker 2: But she's also wearing bloomers, so it's the whole combo.

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Speaker 1: Right, Usually puppy sleeves, and it doesn't have a defined waist.

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It's usually like triangle shaped. It's very much what little

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girls wear. When you put a little girl in a dress,

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it has a specific etymology. It has been called the

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baby doll dress because of the film Baby Doll in

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nineteen fifty six, which the lead character wore played by

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Carol Baker, wore a baby doll dress. And you know,

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Baby Doll was about a baby doll. Well, I mean,

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I don't know if cless why that is pedophilia, because

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I think she was playing a teenager, but it was.

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about about infantilizing women and as a form of sexualizing it.

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So this is not something that just got imposed on

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Olivia Rodrigo. This is a seventy year old term referring

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to a specific style of dress that was specifically designed

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to evoke childhood and sexuality. So that is a very

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very volatile combination. And in nineteen fifty six you could

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get away with that. But even then it was a

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controversial style. And then in the nineteen sixties that style

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of dress actually became popular among adult women, and it

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was popularized a lot by the sex kittens of the

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nineteen sixties, these screensiren's, big hair, winged eyes, you know,

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coquettish sexuality. The Bridgie Bardouz of that era and then

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in the nineties it was repurposed again by you know,

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riot girl singers like Courtney Love.

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Speaker 2: Yes, uh, And it was part.

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Speaker 1: Of that whole Kinderhorr movement in the nineties, which in

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that instance it was a sort of post feminist punk

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take on the baby doll because they weren't sexualizing the dress.

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they were adding all of this sort of violent punk imagery,

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messy hair slash, you know, messy makeup, that sort of thing, grungy,

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you know, adding grungy items on top of it. In

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all in order to take it away from its juvenile

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undertones and from its sexual undertones. It was more about

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defying those things, defying femininity, defying coquettish, and being more

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in your face about it. That is not what Olivia

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Rodrigo is doing. She's embracing it completely.

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Speaker 2: Go all right. She made a statement, and I think

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that's what they her team had in mind to go

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with the court Love, because she actually mentioned I'm glad

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you mentioned Courton Love, because she actually said that I

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wanted to go with sort of like a court and

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Love kind of Look, if you watch the video, I

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don't know about the cover, can't remember, but the video

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she's wearing boots, you know.

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Speaker 1: I know she does wear nihil black leather boots with it,

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which does go against the baby dolls.

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Speaker 2: So it exploded everywhere with all of the social media

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TikTok and et cetera. And she she was kind of

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shocked that because you know, she's young, she's twenty three three,

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she's twenty three. I don't know what the team was thinking.

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The thing is that I wish they had an argument

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why they chose that dress, you know, because usually like

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look look at Taylor Swift for example, when she did

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the whole you know Vegas thing, right you show girl,

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she went with a showgirl look. So I wish they

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had a better explanation why they chose to that look

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for this particular album.

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Speaker 1: Can I yeah, sure, I just want to I want

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to say here, there's no there's no real scandal here.

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A young woman is allowed to dress however she wants

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to dress, and I don't think she should be criticized

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for wearing baby doll dresses if that's what she wants

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to wear. However, those dresses are not without implications, and

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she is she seemed very ignorant of what the implications

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of those dresses are. And that's fine, All of it's fine.

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This is not a criticism of her, But it's more

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we're unpacking the fact that because she did this thing

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where she said, you know, in defense of herself, she

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was like, well, if you look at it that way,

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I think you're normalizing pedophilia, which is shows a complete

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lack of understanding about what that's Also.

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Speaker 2: That the whole dress is rooted in female liberation, which

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's true either. The baby doll dress

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was it was a pedophile dream. I mean, that's how

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it has evolved. I get it. And she should not

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be criticized, right, and no woman actually should be criticized

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for wearing those dresses. But they do have implications to them,

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and pretending that they don't, right is And she did

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this thing where she said, you know where she fell

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back on I get it. She fell back on the

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whole we're policing what women wear kind of thing. And

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and you know that tends to get my back up

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because I've been hearing that for twenty years, for as

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long as we've been doing what we do because we're

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not policing what women wear. We're discussing what fashion does,

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what meanings and aesthetics and messages and fashion send out.

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Speaker 2: There's a crowd out there to do what you just

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said we don't do. But again, and she's responding to that,

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and I understand that. I'm sure people called her a

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whore or whatever. I'm sure they called her a slut.

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you know, like for example, I've I've worn more revealing outfits.

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It's not about a And I think that's that's that's

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when she missed a point. It's not about you what

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you wear. It's you choosing a certain item that has

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a whole history of a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: So again, TikTok generation is so uh. Their antenna are

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so up for like pedophile and age gap and all

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that I can't even mention the words, Yeah, you can't.

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So it's not surprising that this abrupted among fans among

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young people. But they aren't wrong to point out like

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that is what the implication it is juvenile dresses that

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are made to make adult women look sexy.

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Speaker 2: Also, we have to point out that someone likely we

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were doing her fans are.

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Speaker 1: Very young, and she's very young, so I catty.

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Speaker 2: Young and you know, anyway, I think she was shocked, honestly,

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but you know, I understand that. But at the same time,

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you have forty p people around your creating a package

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here to promote your album. Uh, and nobody discussed that baby.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, okay, but I think that, like I said,

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to wear baby do all dresses on stage, there's no

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scan career, but I think there probably should have been

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a prepared understand why. That's what it goes to what

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you said about, well, why are you wearing for.

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Speaker 2: This specific album? Yeah? Why? I mean because usually you

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choose a whole package. You know, at least that's most

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people do. Sabrina Corbet or Taylor Swift, they all do,

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so I don't know. Yeah, So anyway, we're still talking

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about it and magazines are writing articles about it.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be on the Runway next season. Yeah, I

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mean probably pretty much brought them back. And you know,

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we've been doing style commentary for twenty years now and

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they they were in style during that period, so it

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hasn't been that long since baby doll dresses were last

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in style. Probably I don't know, circa two thousand and

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eight or so, it's probably been about fifteen.

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Speaker 2: As a queer man, queer man, I think it's a

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great look.

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Speaker 1: I know, I always thought it was a disturbing I did.

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Speaker 2: It depends on how you style it the way she

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Speaker 1: Thought it was confusing. The black boots just kind of

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like now. I mean, if you want to wear like

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high top sneakers or something, that's fine, but I don't

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I didn't think the black boots went all right. Moving

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on Billy Eichner, comic Billy Eigner, he God bless him.

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I've always been a fan of Billy as a loud

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mouth gay man with a lot of opinions. I feel

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like very simpatico with him. I also feel that he

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like certain gay men in the public eye who have

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made their careers on being loud and obnoxious gay men.

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And again there's a certain sympathy there, like, Okay, we

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we sort of did the same thing, although we're bloggers

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not not actors. There's a certain sympathy because I could

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I could tell for years that he was struggling against

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the image of himself that he had put out in

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the world of this screaming, screaming.

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Speaker 2: Homosexuallyrand and he didn't like it. He didn't like it.

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He actually said that he didn't like that everyone associated

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him with the Billy on the Street type of you know,

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screaming you know, persona asking questions, blah blah blah. But

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you know, I don't know, you know what you got.

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Speaker 1: Really, let's let's talk about why we're talking about Billy.

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There was a big splashy New York Times article this week,

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of course, of course, for his new memoir, And I

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could not roll my eyes at this hard enough because

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first off, it's Billy on Billy is the name of

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the Let me just say I do like Billy. He's

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carved out and knits for himself that he seems intent

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on destroying. But I also think in recent years his

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sense of self is very inflated, like you're just not

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that big a deal, Billy Eichner, You're not that big

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a comedian, You're not that big a celebrity, and like

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Billy on Billy, Like, okay, well, are there a lot

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of people that were asking for that? I know this

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sounds meaner than I wanted. At least Madonna, I mean

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Barbara and Barbara, that makes sense, Liza, Unliza, but come on,

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an audio only memoir. Yes, it's a sad podcast, which

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which to me was like what he didn't write it.

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Speaker 2: His explanation was that because he's always creamy and people

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assist with Billy on the street, he wanted to have

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a soft because he talks about his mother, who story

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I know, and his mother his father they both passed.

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Speaker 1: But ostensibly the point of the book, like he adds

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all the mom and dad stuff in there, But the point,

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the central point of the book, and the point of

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the piece in the in the New York Times, was

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that he how painful it was that his movie flopped, right,

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Christ So we talked about Bros. When it first came out,

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and we did a podcast about it. I should have

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gone back to listen to it. And I don't think

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we trashed the film.

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Speaker 2: No, we didn't.

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Speaker 1: It was a it was you know, it was okay,

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but we kind of trashed him for how he was

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acting during that period.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is that I don't know what he

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was Wait, I mean expecting look at this movie now

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with Jennifer Lopez office roommate. I mean, we're gonna forget

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about this movie five minutes. My point is that people

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do shit and they don't become huge successful.

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Speaker 1: He so Bros. Was a gay romantic comedy, and from

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the jump he couldn't just let this be like, here's

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my gay romantic comedy. It became this big like issue

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where we all needed to support this because and straight

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people needed to support this. And I remember he made

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such a big deal out of the fact that literally

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not every single member of the cast was some form

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of queer and I was like, well, why, that's that's

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just goofy gimmickry. That's just if you don't need to

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make sure there are no straight people on your set

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when you make a gay film, that sort of gimmicky

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short of nonsense. That's that actually put a pall over

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the film before it even came out. I remember he

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was on I think the VMA's or something one of

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the MTV shows. It might have been the Movie Awards,

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and he did this big riff about America needs to

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come out like he did into his microphone America needs

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to come out and support gay blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: I think we came a long way when it comes

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to queer entertainment TV shows, but we're not there yet.

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I mean, look, even Heated Rivalry is a huge success

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right now, but it's not like across the board. I mean,

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it's not for everybody.

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Speaker 1: No, but it is the kind of success that he

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wanted for pros.

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Speaker 2: But well they're both young, and yeah, that's a whole

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different story. But anyway, my point is that we're not

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there yet. I have watched so many great things that

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you know, it's not for everybody. It doesn't interest everybody

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because we're still very much you know, white straight society.

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Speaker 1: Not only that. I mean, and I remember saying this

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at the time with Bros. Bros was every bit a

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classic rom com in style, all the in the character types,

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in the plot points. And I don't like rom coms,

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and I would wager that a significant portion of gay

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men are just not into Heated Rivalry. Well, I said

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this before he did. Rivalry wasn't for gay man. It

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was the straight win. That's why it's so But gay

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men generally, and I know there is a gay romance

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its fandom, and a significant portion of those are gay men.

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But generally, as a group, I don't think we're especially

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when you get into like elder millennials and above. We

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were not socialized to embrace that sort of thing. So

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the whole point of that movie, I was like, all right,

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I'll watch it, but I'm not into these kinds of stories.

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Speaker 2: Right, and yeah, I can only speak for experience. I mean,

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when we talk about rum coms in general, iro at

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that this is not for me. There's not for me.

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And I remember having conversation with my queer friends and

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even queer rum they were just like, oh what now.

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Speaker 1: The only one I ever liked was Fire Island. Yeah, right,

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and again Billy. Both of those films came out in

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the same year, and Billy kind of accidentally or he

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made some rather dismissive commentary about it. She didn't go well,

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which didn't got I mean, the whole everything about how

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he handled that film. He was expecting too much, the

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thing is, and then he had a public Milton when

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you know, he blamed straight people for a right for

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some reason, he thought that you know, straight people owe

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that to him, you know, like that they would have

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to like, support this movie because whatever, it doesn't work

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that way, it doesn't it doesn't work. I mean, you know,

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I've you look at someone like Ben Wishaw, for example,

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amazing actor.

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Speaker 2: He pretty much plays a gay character in everything.

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Speaker 1: Because he can't. I mean, he has it'd be very

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hard to cast that guy as a straight man, right, And.

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Speaker 2: He talks about that. But he's so talented and look,

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you know, I mean, I mean, he finds interesting roles,

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but he's not like, you know, very very famous, you know,

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like that everybody is running to see his movies or

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TV shows. That's what that's my point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I just wanted to bring it up because

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I do feel bad for him. He really can't let

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this go, and I think he's destroying his brand. To

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be perfectly honest, like, if your whole thing is I

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want to be soft spoken Billy, well okay, good luck

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with that, but that that's not what people want from you.

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I mean, I understand if you don't want to be

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screaming at total strangers on the street for the rest

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of your career, I get it. But this complete one

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eighty into I'm going to write a memoir about my

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mother and my feelings like, all right, well, I don't

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really think this is what people want from you, much

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like Bros Was not what people wanted from you.

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Speaker 2: I understand wanting to expand your career and do other things,

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but sometimes it doesn't work and you just have to

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face it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we've rambled a bit too long here.

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and talk about one more bit of celebrity gossip before

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we jump into the TV stuff. We'll be right back.

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We're back in our final final bit of celebrity gossip

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before we launch into our TV talk. Is actually about

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a TV show mob Land, starring Pierce President and Helen

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Mirren and maybe Tom Hardy for the next season. Who knows.

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It came out this week. I'm going to toss to

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Lorenzo on this because he actually want you watched the

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full season, right, I watched both seasons. All right, let

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me just do the setup and then I'm tossing to

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you for all the details. So it came out this

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week that Tom Hardy was being fired from the show

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where he wasn't coming back for the second season, and

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then there was a flurry of reports that he and

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Helen Mirren had clash and that some of the classes

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were about Palestine, which I didn't think was really likely.

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It just sounded like a lot of publicists were trying

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to get their version of the story out, and ultimately

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I think Miron made a statement and the producers made

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a statement, and it doesn't look like he's fired, but

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it sure sounds like that is one messy as hell set.

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All right, you fill all the rest in well, it just.

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Speaker 2: I've got to figure out what magazine on what site

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came out with an art of saying that, you know,

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Tom Hardy was fired from Moblin. That's how the whole

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thing started, right, And then everyone was like what wow,

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And then all these stories came out and well, apparently,

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and that part is true. I believe allegedly he was

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always late, but he's famous for that, and Helen Mirren specifically,

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not so much Pierce Prosen, but Halen mireor specific was

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complaining about it that you know that they wait for

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hours for him to come out and do the scene,

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so apparently he he was late. He was getting to

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fights with the show's creator and producer, presenting like script

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notes at the last minute, and you know, fighting for

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them at the last minute, that kind of stuff, so

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causing a lot of trouble on set. And you guys

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might have read in the past that Charlie then had

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kind of the same complaints about him on The Man Max.

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Apparently she was a very stressful set. They were on

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the it was very hot desert, and apparently the director

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was kind of an asshole too, That's that's what I read.

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And things were very tense, and he was always late,

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he wouldn't take forever to come out of trailer, and

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so she complained about him, and she Yeah, there's like

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a book. There's a whole book written.

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Speaker 1: About Buchanan, who is a mutual on social media and

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writes for The New York Times. He wrote a book, Blood,

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Sweat and Crown, The Wild and True Story of Mad

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Max Fierry wrote.

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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: The set was brutal, and it was a legendarily a

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contentious set, and it made it sound like it was

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mostly him. I mean, I don't think Charlie's has a

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reputation for being difficult, but Tom Hardy absolutely does.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is that Charlie theren is she is tough.

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She's a tough woman.

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Speaker 1: She was scared, but she says that's my point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if she complained about it and said she

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was kind of like worried and it's you know, scared,

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I mean that something happened. I mean, but apparently he

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was in character being an asshole the whole time and

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even want to come out of histrailia blah blah blah

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blah blah. So anyway, so the same thing apparently was

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happening again with Moblin. And the thing is that these

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three actors are a main.

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Speaker 1: Character, central character.

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Speaker 2: So take Tom Hardy. How are you gonna explain that? Right?

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Speaker 1: I guess I could kill him off?

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Speaker 2: Why now? But even so then you don't have a

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show anymore certain way anyway, So I think that's why

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he's not getting fired because they can't. They can't fire

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him because otherwise they don't have a show. They don't

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have a third season. That's my take.

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Speaker 1: There's not gonna be They're gonna have one really right,

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gritted teeth season. Now obvious that everybody in the cast

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hates each other, and then they're not coming back. That's

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what's probably gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: The thing is that I think Helen Muhraan wasn't liking.

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She didn't like the whole narrative about her, you know,

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because then on social media and TikTok specifically, they were

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talking about, well, she's pro Israel and he's propoust to

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and that's why, you know, she probably told them to fight.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that any of that happened. Yeah, I know,

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and I think she didn't like that. That's why she

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posted something on Instagram about him, saying, you know, like,

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I don't know, I love you, but.

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Speaker 1: Some some but it sounded like he was difficult on seting.

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Speaker 2: I think he was just difficult, and you know, and

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that's something I never understood. I read stories about that,

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and I'm like, all right, you very famous, but come on,

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that's not professional.

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Speaker 1: You know, like that the whole not coming out of

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your trailer thing.

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Speaker 2: I now, wow, you I still still do that. I know.

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I don't think that kind of depth my point. I

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don't think that kind of behavior should be accepted.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is as accepted as it once was.

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So that's why this is coming out. But that whole

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you know, abusing the crew, make wasting hours a time,

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you know, the industry is not flush with cash at

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the moment, so we can't put up with that sort

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of ship. You can't put up with stars, you know,

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wasting hamp a day or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You lose the light, you lose something.

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Speaker 1: You're paying union wages to everyone to stand around.

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Speaker 2: So I think I was.

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Speaker 1: Actually a little surprised to hear those whole Oh he

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spent hours in his trailer.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, they still do that. Huh they do,

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And I think that's why he hasn't been fired, because

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they need it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I always thought he was an asshole. Yeah,

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I always thought he was an asshole.

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Speaker 2: I know, I don't know. He's so great in the show.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a great actor, but a person, I'm like,

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00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,200
I can just tell that's not someone you'd want to work.

471
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean he looks and sounds difficult.

472
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he sounds difficult. All right, let's just lead into

473
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,799
the next and we'll start talking about Hacks.

474
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, Well, we.

475
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: Have two shows to talk about this week, one of

476
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,920
which we're saying goodbye to and the other one we're

477
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,720
saying hello too. So we're going to talk about Hacks,

478
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,480
which had its finale series finale last night, and we're

479
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:41,680
just gonna talk about the entire series and the final season,

480
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,079
and then after that, we're going to talk about Widow's

481
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,119
Bay on Apple TV, which is our new favorite show

482
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,599
and you absolutely need to watch it, and we're going

483
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,720
to talk about that after Hacks, and the beginning of

484
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:57,240
that convo will be spoiler free, but the end of

485
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,680
that conversation, which we will give you warnings, we're going

486
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,519
to get into spoilers because I know some of you

487
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,640
have already watched it and we need to talk about

488
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,480
some of these episodes.

489
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:08,839
Speaker 2: All right, So Hacks Hecks, I have to start by

490
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,559
saying that I'm glad it's gone.

491
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love that show. But and

492
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,079
we checked in on it early in this season for

493
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,880
our podcast, but we said we weren't going to be

494
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,319
doing like recaps of it, and I'm I'm happy with that.

495
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,920
I went. I had to sort of binge to get

496
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,960
through the rest of the season in time to watch

497
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:32,599
the because I really let it fall off my viewing schedule.

498
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,400
So I watched like six episodes in a row. I

499
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:42,000
got like a shot of it. And it wasn't a

500
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,480
bad season of television at all. It had some real highlights.

501
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,799
It was actually, I think better than the poor season

502
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:49,519
which almost ruined the show.

503
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: I agree.

504
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: So they got back into their vibe, they got back

505
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,839
into their groove, and then it became okay, let's wrap

506
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,160
this up. Like there was just a bunch of episodes

507
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,519
where I was like, well, why are we still here?

508
00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:03,960
What are we doing? Like, what's going on here?

509
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: Why do we have to write lines for these people?

510
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,759
Sort of? I mean, like the daughter never came back?

511
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:14,160
Why not?

512
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:16,839
Speaker 1: You know, she has her own show. She has two shows.

513
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: Actually know it is like, you know, that's she's so.

514
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,079
Speaker 1: Funny too, and they're so funny together, I know, but

515
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,599
she actually has two other shows. She's got It's always sunny,

516
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,880
and she has that other like it's like a procedural

517
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,920
on ABC or whatever.

518
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: But she was hysteric with with her body.

519
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah mma husband, And then the the Amazing Rays episode

520
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:44,599
was really funny. But I don't I don't have a

521
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,519
lot of critiques of the season. I just felt like,

522
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,599
it's we need to wrap it up. It's time this

523
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,839
we're just sort of spinning our wheels on a lot

524
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,400
of this stuff. So let's talk about some of the

525
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:03,000
arcs of the season. I one of the things I

526
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,640
had a problem with the show since the previous season,

527
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,680
and we talked about it last year, was that some

528
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,839
of the plotting on this show, it's very lazy, and

529
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,119
they don't it doesn't actually make a lot of sense

530
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,519
if you know anything about the world. So, for instance,

531
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:23,440
last season, the entire season was based on an idea

532
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,599
of late night television that simply it does not reflect

533
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,759
reality at all. Like, first off, no one's getting new shows. Secondly,

534
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,640
no women are getting shows, and third no one in

535
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,559
their seventies is getting a show. So she gets this

536
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,279
show and I'm like, all right, you're already this doesn't

537
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:46,359
reflect anything about the current world. And prior to that happening,

538
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,079
the first three seasons of Hacks, it felt like we

539
00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:51,039
were looking at real people in the real world, and

540
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:54,960
now it's like, okay, you're going off into fantasy. And

541
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,279
it was the same thing with this season, which with

542
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:02,119
the whole Madison Square Garden thing, I did not like

543
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,799
that idea at all. As soon as it was announced,

544
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,079
I was like, Oh, the whole fucking season is going

545
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,079
to be about this show, about preparing for this show,

546
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,200
And I even thought the whole I'm like, preparing for

547
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,519
this show that is not going to happen.

548
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: I did.

549
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: I never thought that show was going to happen. So

550
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:25,359
it felt like a lot of wheel spinning, like it was.

551
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,119
It was nine episodes of preparing for this and it

552
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,079
was a thing, and it was done in such a

553
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,039
way like I'm pretty sure you can't trick someone into

554
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,039
giving you a date for and I don't think you

555
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,480
can trick people into buying tickets. And then later like

556
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,480
the penultimate episode, I don't really think you can get

557
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,839
thirty thousand people to show up in Central Portagram three

558
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,960
days notice with no planning.

559
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:54,519
Speaker 2: Right, the whole license to get a license thing, She like, Oh,

560
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,160
I'm taking my break now, I'm not going to listen

561
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,799
to my favorite book cast. Oh that happens to be produced.

562
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: I rolled my eyes at that so hard. That's the

563
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,519
thing about lazy, crazy writing.

564
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,119
Speaker 2: That's what I don't like about these writers, the writers

565
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,720
for the show, is that they they want to make

566
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,920
certain points, they want to make about certain things in.

567
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:14,359
Speaker 1: So they just sort of rush past. So they just

568
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,599
sprinkle them all over and they rush past explaining anything.

569
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,599
So and yes, that scene with oh my god, you

570
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,039
produced my favorite podcast and what Okay, you get a light,

571
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,880
you get yeah, you get a permit?

572
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:27,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, permit.

573
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,319
Speaker 1: All of that is just and there's so much of

574
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,519
that where it just doesn't describe a real world. It

575
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:36,440
doesn't describe people who act in real ways, it doesn't

576
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,559
describe the entertainment industry. None of this is realistic.

577
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,319
Speaker 2: I watched the show. I have watched the show because

578
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:48,680
of those two main amazing women, Jeane Smart and Hannah

579
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,880
ein Bend. I think they are phenomenal and those two

580
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,119
characters were great. It was about two different women having

581
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,799
to go through a lot of stuff together. Yeah, kind

582
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:01,519
of they beginning to being forced be together and kind

583
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,839
of developed developing a relationship. I think it's awesome. In fact,

584
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:09,200
the episode the lesbian I call it the episode they

585
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,920
make a point about that, well, you too are in

586
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,640
a relationship.

587
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: They are in a relationship. I had heard about that

588
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,279
episode before I actually saw it, and some of the

589
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,799
headlines made it sound like they actually were a couple,

590
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,279
and I was like, oh God, no, that's not worth

591
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:27,000
that's not They didn't do that today, And I would

592
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000
not have been furious if they had made those two

593
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,839
a couple. At the end of the Actually, I would

594
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,480
have found it dumb. I'm not opposed to queer storylines

595
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,759
or people discovering their queerness late in life. It happens, but.

596
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,279
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong. It was too easy.

597
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,079
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with depicting an unusual friendship, unusual and

598
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,440
a deep friendship between two people, and you don't have

599
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,960
to make it sexual or romantic. In fact, I think

600
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,519
sometimes we don't have enough depictions of that in the culture.

601
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Deep deep, deep friendships and you know, cross generational friendships.

602
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,119
You never see that sort of.

603
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: Thing, especially you know, among women, because yeah, because most

604
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,640
shows about women are there they're fighting, right.

605
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: Well, there was quite a bit of that, and I

606
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:21,079
didn't mind that, but I that's my main critique. Well

607
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:24,599
we'll get into uh, the finale and all that, but

608
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,200
my main critique is that the show creates scenarios that

609
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,759
are so far removed from reality that it just kind

610
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:33,599
of annoys me. And I'm like, why couldn't you have

611
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,000
filled in some more details a little bit better?

612
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,279
Speaker 2: I mean, And it's just the things that they do,

613
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,480
like the whole thing with a company with well yeah, okay.

614
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, I don't hate Jimmy and Kala the way

615
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,160
you do, Yes, I do. I don't hate them the

616
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,440
way you do. I feel that there's a place for

617
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,920
them in the story. Okay, go ahead. But these last

618
00:32:53,960 --> 00:33:00,880
few episodes were everything that was going on with them

619
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,599
was happening separate from from the main story, and I

620
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:08,319
really I didn't care. And again, it was insanely unrealistic.

621
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,640
The idea that he would be first off, the idea

622
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,279
that he would even wind up in the mail room.

623
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:17,920
I didn't find that believable at all. He is well connected,

624
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,079
he does you know, he would not have put up

625
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,519
with that, and you know, no, I just didn't agree

626
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,559
with that at all. And then his whole oh well,

627
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:29,920
I found some things and I opened some envelopes, and

628
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,240
now you have to give me control of the company. Okay, fine,

629
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,000
fuck you. You control the company.

630
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: What I know? I know everything. The mother is happy

631
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:41,880
now with a partner, you know, and you know, Marty

632
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,599
comes back.

633
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: It's just like and I actually wish they had gotten together.

634
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,559
Speaker 2: But my point is, everything is like, okay, we have

635
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,200
to take care of all the characters.

636
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, yeah, all right, let's take a short break

637
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:56,519
and then we'll get into the finale and all that.

638
00:33:56,599 --> 00:34:02,119
All right, we'll be right back. We're back, and we're

639
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,279
gonna I do. I feel bad because so much of

640
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:10,199
my commentary today about Hacks is negative. I did not

641
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,400
like the finale. I didn't hate the finale, but I

642
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,119
didn't love it.

643
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,519
Speaker 2: I thought it was a cheap shot as a mission

644
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:17,920
to you. When you bring in y.

645
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,559
Speaker 1: As literally the last episode and assisted suicide literally the

646
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,519
last episode, I'm like, this is not what this show

647
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,960
was about. This is not what the vibe of the

648
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,679
show was about, and it doesn't seem like it's lovely.

649
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,559
In many ways, the scenes in Paris were actually lovely.

650
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:41,039
Those two actresses are insanely good together, so it was

651
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,679
somewhat enjoyable in that sense. But I kept thinking, like,

652
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,960
this is so weird that they decided to end it

653
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,199
this way, and I knew they weren't going to end

654
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,480
with her dying, so again, it was more it was

655
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,559
sort of like the same thing with the Madison Square Garden,

656
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:56,480
where it's like, well, I know that's not going to happen,

657
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:58,239
so we're just gonna waste a lot of time until

658
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,840
we get to why it's not happening, And that's exactly

659
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,559
how it played out. It's it was sweet don't get

660
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:09,519
me wrong, I'm not that cold hearted. It was very sweet.

661
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:12,719
It was very emotional having Barbara and Judy saying happy

662
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,320
days are here again at the end of it was genius.

663
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,320
Needle Drop could not have summed up the entire point

664
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,920
of that show better than with that one song, because

665
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,000
it's an old veteran and a young you know, young

666
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,960
upstart and they're harmonizing together. So it was such a

667
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,760
beautiful choice ended on a lovely note. But I just

668
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,199
really hated the whole I'm going to Switzerland to die.

669
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,119
Speaker 2: What that's how you're doing this yet? Yeah? That that

670
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,559
made no sense to me. And I think, like I said,

671
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,239
it's just an easy way to you know, and add

672
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,320
some emotions. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like this is the

673
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,159
problem with shows like The East, that you have creators

674
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,440
like that and then they they're also characters.

675
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: In Down You, he's your enemy.

676
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: I can't stand it. Well, the fact that he's naked

677
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,639
in one of the scenes. This is a queer thing, right,

678
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:03,880
There no need for him to be naked, but he

679
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,320
has a great body. I'm the creator, so I'm gonna

680
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,039
be naked, right so people can talk about that kind

681
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:11,679
of stuff drives me crazy like her his friend. I mean,

682
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,119
that's how he found Megan Stelter. He found her, loved her,

683
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,800
and I was like, all right, you're gonna be a character.

684
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,800
I hate that kind of approach because you're forcing things

685
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,719
into it. The only thing that I find interesting and

686
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,079
deep and amazing is those two women aside from them,

687
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,159
and I know, and I know, you can't have a

688
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:32,400
show with just two people.

689
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: No, I agree, but they are the show and anytime

690
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,360
it gets away from them, there are I don't hate

691
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,239
any of the characters, but I do feel like I

692
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,599
don't even hate Kayla. I just feel like most of

693
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,719
the other characters they never knew what to do with.

694
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,800
I've always talked about Marcus, that guy. They never hated

695
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,599
the guy, but I was like, what is the point

696
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,280
of this character? He's just morose In every scene, he

697
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,840
always seems annoyed, and he never goes anywhere. Christopher McDonald

698
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,320
is Marty like, what do you you?

699
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: Never?

700
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,679
Speaker 1: They have insane fucking chemistry together. There should have been

701
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,239
a whole on again, off again romance with those characters,

702
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,519
but they seemed like completely against it for some reason.

703
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: The lesbian I call it the lesbians.

704
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: One and one more thing. The blackjack dealer, Oh right,

705
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,440
fucking hilarious, and she's on We get to see her

706
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,920
for maybe three minutes a season. This is what I mean.

707
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,840
You never knew what to do and not to be mean.

708
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,159
But they spent too much time on the housekeeper and

709
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,480
the assistant. Yes, they're not that funny.

710
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: They weren't that interesting. Nothing nothing to the other assistant.

711
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,920
He's I mean, the actor's kind of funny. But those

712
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:45,000
characters never ever went anywhere. I totally agree that that

713
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:46,679
has always been the problem with the show, is that

714
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,119
you had two amazing central characters and then you had

715
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,920
all these colorful side characters that you didn't want to develop,

716
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,039
so they just sort of they they're not really people,

717
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,960
they're just there. And yeah, I agree. More Kiki more

718
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,079
was that her name.

719
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,079
Speaker 1: Was hilarious, and she they almost never used her hilarious.

720
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,960
I do want to end on a nice note. I

721
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,280
do think, as much as I found it completely unrealistic,

722
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,400
the Central Park ending was I wish the season had

723
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,039
ended there there. It was triumphant, it was beautiful. I

724
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,320
don't think it made a ton of sense, but it

725
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,480
was mostly earned, like, okay, fine, but we're on a

726
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:30,039
show with.

727
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: A ton of things that don't make sense. That would

728
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,760
have been a nice one.

729
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,039
Speaker 1: That would have been a nice one, And I just

730
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,320
I really wish it had ended on that. It would

731
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,239
have been such a perfect capper to this series, but

732
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,079
instead it turned into this please don't die thing at

733
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:44,400
the end.

734
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: I think when it's about them, like the episode where

735
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:55,360
they would Leslie uh Bess as a guest actress appearance guests,

736
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,920
she she was hill. She was so funny. The whole

737
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,159
thing about them pretending to be a couple. It was

738
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,719
freaking hilarious.

739
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,639
Speaker 1: That was the best episode of the season because it

740
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,360
was funny. And that is the other thing about this

741
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,519
show is that for a show about two comedians, it

742
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:14,480
wasn't as funny as it should have been. And that's

743
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,960
a big complaint is in five seasons of the show,

744
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,440
we almost never saw one of Devors sets like someone

745
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,719
needed to write a killer set, a killer stand up set,

746
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,679
and we should have seen her deliver at least one

747
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,840
killer stand All we heard about was what a legend

748
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,800
she was, but we never got to see it, and

749
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,880
in fact, we had multiple scenes of her over the

750
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,440
series bombing terribly, So you kind of worked against your purposes.

751
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,880
You should have gotten some comics to write a killer

752
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,960
type five and have her deliver it just so the

753
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:50,039
audience could see it.

754
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: I agree.

755
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:52,519
Speaker 1: I do love the show.

756
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: Though I liked the idea of the show. I enjoyed

757
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,480
the show for the most part. But every time, as

758
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,599
you said, it felt like a different show when he

759
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:03,599
when it switched to the other characters. So it's like,

760
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:05,960
all right, like we're taking a break here and we're

761
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:06,920
watching something else.

762
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,159
Speaker 1: Jimmy, We're like a total sitcom. God, it just happening

763
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:11,800
completely apart from everybody else.

764
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: So annoying because their lines were so like, oh my god,

765
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:19,039
not real, you know, like I just want to make

766
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,280
a pointee about something, so I'm giving you a line.

767
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,360
It was just it didn't felt it didn't feel like

768
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:25,440
organic at always.

769
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,519
Speaker 1: Now, Well that's that's a good way of putting it.

770
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,639
It's so much of us just does not feel organic. Yeah,

771
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:32,119
it all felt very contrived.

772
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:34,679
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to make a pointee about the industry,

773
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,760
about I don't know how offices work and how pitching

774
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:40,960
a show that's how it works. So I'm going to

775
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,280
create this scene here and you know, if you if

776
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,320
you understand the industry, like we're kind of doing a way.

777
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,000
I mean, then you find that kind of funny and

778
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,519
interesting and you see why they're doing it. But at

779
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,360
the same time, I'm like why it makes no sense?

780
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: Right, But listen, I salute those two ladies. Yes, I

781
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:06,599
think they're both up for Emmys again. And as much

782
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:10,639
as I think sometimes the Emmys get into a rut

783
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:13,840
and reward the same show, I would not be upset

784
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,480
if Jean Smart one another Emmy because I think she

785
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:19,719
really killed me. I think she's won three or four

786
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,639
every single season.

787
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it.

788
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: Was lovely, but it was an imperfect show, and like

789
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:31,599
a lot of shows in the modern era, it probably

790
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:33,400
could have ended after three seasons.

791
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: I agree. It started very strong and then he got

792
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,719
lost and then he kind of like sort of like

793
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,760
you know, got better, sort of better. And then I

794
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,440
actually when I started watching this season, I watched like

795
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,880
three episodes and I stoppedcause like, I can't take this anymore.

796
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,840
And then I finished it, and I have to say

797
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,559
I was kind of like annoyed that I had to

798
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:55,039
watch it, but I actually enjoyed a lot of it.

799
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,039
A lot of it. I thought Paris was awesome, because

800
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,840
of course it's Paris and they're great. Yeah, a lot

801
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,840
of things were great. And I actually got very emotion

802
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:08,440
during the scene in Central Park, you know, like the

803
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,400
whole thing when they're when she thanking everyone for that moment.

804
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,199
Blah blah blah. I mean stuff like that. It's interesting,

805
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,920
I agree, and it goes with a character, goes with

806
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,800
a character's history. But everything else is just like, all right,

807
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:24,519
you're just giving lines to your friends. Agreed.

808
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: Do you want to take another break and we'll come

809
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,400
back and talk about Widow's Bay or do you want

810
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,119
to go right into it.

811
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: Sure, let's take a break.

812
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: All right, we're back and having said goodbye to Hacks,

813
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,800
we need to say hello to Widow's Bay.

814
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,639
Speaker 2: Oh god, yes.

815
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: On Apple TV Plus. You know I was hearing buzz

816
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,719
about this show about a month before it dropped. We

817
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,880
I don't even ask for screeners anymore. I just figured

818
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:50,840
I'll talk about this show after it airs. It's not

819
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,280
worth it trying to get screeners.

820
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,199
Speaker 2: No, because the thing is that there are so many

821
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,800
shows coming out all the time that it's hard to

822
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,400
keep up with him. I have to say someone I

823
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,599
can't remember one of our readers on Instagram maybe recommended

824
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,159
the show, So I want to thank you because I

825
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,480
was like, oh, maybe I should give it a shot. Yeah,

826
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:10,719
and I and I watched it and I loved it,

827
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:11,559
absolutely loved it.

828
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: I had heard about it and and some critics were like,

829
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:15,920
this is the best new show of the year, and

830
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,199
I was like, all right, And I did watch the

831
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,719
first episode the week it came out, and I wasn't.

832
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:32,239
It didn't grab me, mainly because the first episode is

833
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,639
really a wash in the sort of shit's Creak twin

834
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,599
Peaks vibe of like a year in a small town

835
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:45,000
and everyone's very colorful and weird and dysfunctional and it

836
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,440
I just didn't appeal to me in that first episode.

837
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,599
It just did not appeal to me because he is

838
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:50,840
so let's talk about this.

839
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: Widow's Bay is.

840
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: A comic horror series.

841
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: It is.

842
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: Set on a on an island in the Wing, England

843
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:05,000
that has a host of curses upon it and everything

844
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:10,159
like that. But it is a comic series and the

845
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,320
central character is the mayor played by Matthew Reese, and

846
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,519
it's all about his like his foibles and and and

847
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:21,159
Shenanigan says he tries to run this town and he

848
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,119
tries to get tourists to come to the turn it

849
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,079
into His whole goal is to turn it into the

850
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:31,000
next Martha's Vineyard, and he is thwarted by these locals

851
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:34,280
who are all, you know, very colorful, very strange, and

852
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:37,599
and and if if that was the only thing the

853
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,079
show was, I would have tapped out after one episode.

854
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:47,239
But I have to say and there's a part of

855
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,159
me that's almost reluctant to say this, because when someone

856
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,039
says this to me, I almost always tap out, Which

857
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:55,800
is it gets so much better after you if you

858
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,480
stick with it.

859
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: It does. It does.

860
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 1: But this is a thing that people always say in

861
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,840
the streaming era, and what it usually means is you

862
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,400
have to sit through six hours before there's some sort

863
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,079
of payoff, And I'm telling you now that's not the case.

864
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: Right or you force yourself into liking something which is

865
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,159
not the case. I love it from the beginning because

866
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,199
I watched so many this Cannaving shows about you know,

867
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,400
like dark islands and small towns and you know, people

868
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,519
in mar so I was. I loved it right from

869
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:28,079
the air. And Matthew, my god, Matthew Rees is just incredible.

870
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: It's a hell of a comedic performance. I did not

871
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,079
know he had it into him to be that much

872
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:38,599
of a clown expression. Yeah, I mean he's he's really giving,

873
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:41,480
like Don Knuts in a horror film kind of thing.

874
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,159
Just I didn't know he was like that. I didn't

875
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:49,239
know he could be like that on camera. I think

876
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,480
I tend to see him as someone who's a little

877
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,760
more serious all the time. It also stars Stephen Root,

878
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,599
who is killing it.

879
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: And then it's.

880
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:00,199
Speaker 1: Got like these great character actresses like Dale Dicky and

881
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,679
Kay Callen and Katie o Flynn who plays Patricia.

882
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: She's just funny.

883
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's really really funny. Oh and Jeff Hiller, but

884
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:12,920
he only has a small part. Jeff Hiller who won

885
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,360
the Emmy last year for what is it Somebody Somewhere?

886
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,639
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, right, yeah.

887
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: So you know, there's like hauntings, and there's curses, and

888
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,840
there's witches and there's all this other stuff and I

889
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,280
have to say when it wants oh, and there's killer clowns.

890
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,800
That's the thing. It's sort of it pays homage to

891
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:39,880
so many things. One of the heaviest, heaviest influences on it,

892
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,519
and they're not shy about it. Is Jaws. You there's

893
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,599
all these allusions to Jaws, like the Mayor and and

894
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,639
you know, opening up the beaches and there's a scene

895
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,559
on a boat in the latest episode very much evokes Jaws.

896
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,360
But when it wants to be scary, it is legitimately scary.

897
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:06,079
The killer clown scene, I actually had a pause it.

898
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,000
I was like, Okay, this is a little too intense,

899
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:12,559
but I will say, if you're not into horror, it's

900
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:16,199
not it's not going to give you nightmares, and it's

901
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,559
not gory. It's not that kind of horror.

902
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:20,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here to tell you that because I can't

903
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:22,280
stand it's not any of that.

904
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: And if you don't even have jump scaries, it's more

905
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,760
like high high tension. And it plays on what you

906
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,039
know about the stories that they're showing you because there's

907
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,440
so many illusions. Like I said, there's a killer clown,

908
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,519
they they dig up someone who's not dead, that sort

909
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:38,960
of thing.

910
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,639
Speaker 2: The whole hotel thing, very you know, like all that

911
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:42,559
kind of pale.

912
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into too right.

913
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: But pay much to all these great movies.

914
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:53,559
Speaker 1: It's just clever and funny. And by the fourth episode

915
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,800
I was hooked and Like I said, I was mildly

916
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,639
interested up to that. I really didn't like the first

917
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,079
second and third I kind of okay, that's interesting, and

918
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,800
then fourth episode I was like, oh, okay, this is

919
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,719
creative as hell.

920
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: It is extremely creative. The writing is genius.

921
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,199
Speaker 1: It's just so smart, yes, and well reserved. I don't

922
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,239
know if it's going to be if they're going to

923
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,199
wrap it up brilliantly. I do think the last two

924
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,880
episodes are showing an intelligence and maturity in the writing

925
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,480
that I wasn't quite getting in the first couple of episodes.

926
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,719
I do want to get into spoilery stuff, so I

927
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,039
think from here on out, you know, right, I just

928
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:40,360
want to mention to create the creatible.

929
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:44,159
Speaker 2: Yes, she is really really good. The lines are hysterical,

930
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:50,320
delivered in such a brilliant way by Matthew specifically yea, yeah, yeah, God,

931
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,280
it's just funny, funny, funny, funny.

932
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: Funny, and then when it wants to be scary, it's

933
00:48:55,559 --> 00:49:00,239
it's legitimately scary. But from this point on are going

934
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,119
to start doing a few spoilers. I mean, there weren't

935
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:05,840
that many twists and turns, and you know, but whatever,

936
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,440
if you if you haven't seen the show yet. Take

937
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,480
care of yourself, love you mean it, Bye bye, and

938
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:14,480
the rest of us are going to keep talking. Okay,

939
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:21,159
So Patricia's Sunset Cocktails party was when the show went

940
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:25,199
completely like, oh no, this is actually really really smart

941
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:29,360
filmmaking and smart writing because it was hilarious. It was

942
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:32,239
really really funny, and then it took a sharp turn

943
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,599
and you were like, oh no, this is horrifying. This

944
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:36,360
is kind of scary. Like when you saw all the

945
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,960
faces in the mirror, you know what I'm.

946
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: Talking about, looking at me kind of I'm just looking

947
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,440
at you because you love me, Yes, I love me

948
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,239
so much, and.

949
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:46,639
Speaker 1: The antlers on her head and everything. I just just

950
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,159
really really well done.

951
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: The hotel scene was incredible, like the whole conversation. Yes,

952
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,760
and then he goes into basement. I mean that was scary.

953
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: It was scary, is That's what I mean? That was

954
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,920
the one I had a pause. I was like, all right,

955
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,199
that's a little that's a little freaky. When the first

956
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,039
time he went down in the basement and he saw

957
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:06,599
the crawl space that he was supposed to go into,

958
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,400
and he was like, not a chance. And I was like,

959
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,360
I love when people in horror stories act like people

960
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,719
I know, I know, and that is one of the

961
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,840
great things about him in this is that he acts

962
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,559
like a real person in this story. Uh, what else

963
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:22,559
did I want to talk about? I want to talk

964
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:23,880
about Betty Gilpin.

965
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:27,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we need to explain why.

966
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,679
Speaker 1: And well, if you're listening, you've probably seen because it's

967
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,679
a fantastic explanation of the whole curse, the whole thing

968
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,480
going on on the Acay. So Betty Gelpin comes in

969
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,599
in the latest episode and the entire or actually not

970
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:46,000
the latest the but the penultimate latest episode, and they

971
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:49,719
do a total shift and they go back a flashback

972
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,840
to seventeen oh two and she arrives in this village

973
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,880
and she's betrothed to the basically the sheriff or mayor

974
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,920
of the village is played by Hamish Link later it's Derek,

975
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,320
and they're both so good. The thing about Betty Gilben

976
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,920
is you can hand her a character like that who

977
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,119
doesn't have a lot of background to her, doesn't have

978
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,840
a lot of story to her, and it's a one off.

979
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,800
I'm pretty sure we're not going to see that character again. No,

980
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,239
I don't, And yet she imbus that character was so

981
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,320
alive and there was so much going on with her

982
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:29,360
in that forty minutes that she was on screen. Because

983
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,719
that's what you do. If you have a character like that,

984
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,079
you handed to an actress like Betty Gilben because she's

985
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,840
going to make that character come alive and become indelible.

986
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,280
She is like one of the most memorable characters on

987
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,880
the show right and she probably won't come back.

988
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:47,559
Speaker 2: She is phenomenal. I'll watch anything, yeah, anything with Betty.

989
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:51,719
She is just incredible. And I read an interview with

990
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,679
her and she joked, she said, you know, I'd love

991
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,000
over the top acting in a bonnet. Yea, she said,

992
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,239
give me that now you know. You know I'm a

993
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,119
sucker for that. So anyway, she she loves that kind

994
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:06,440
of you know, over the top acting, and she does

995
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:07,199
such a great job.

996
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,519
Speaker 1: And I want to a note that, like, for instance,

997
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:16,119
on her episode, which was directed by Ty West, the

998
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:21,079
horror filmmaker, the cinematography on that episode was stunning, all

999
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:24,480
that candle light and everything, all the nighttime scenes just

1000
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:28,519
absolutely stunning. And apparently they shot it at a a

1001
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,239
in a cabin that was owned by a condemned witch

1002
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:34,679
or something.

1003
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,599
Speaker 2: Her name is Rebecca Nurse House.

1004
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:37,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know Rebca Nurse.

1005
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she was. She went through the whole Salem trial. Yeah,

1006
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:47,039
she was accused of witchcraft. Yeah, back in sixteen ninety something. Anyway,

1007
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,000
So yeah, they shot in her.

1008
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Hamton later said it was like he didn't

1009
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,480
even realize it was on his bucket list to be

1010
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:58,400
buried in the grounds of a witch's house and dug

1011
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,159
up and you know.

1012
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: Barently they shot the whole thing and les separate. Yeah, yes,

1013
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:05,800
left that for the last part, and so the whole

1014
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,320
set was like kind of empty, right, Yeah.

1015
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:11,079
Speaker 1: It was just a yeah, it was fascinating. And then

1016
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,519
then they the episode after that is set in the

1017
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:17,840
present day. But ha much Link later has to continue

1018
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:18,840
playing this character.

1019
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:19,519
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1020
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: And what I found out later was that those, as

1021
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,199
you said, they were shot in reverse. He played the

1022
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,559
old version of the character first. In fact, he didn't

1023
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:29,920
even know I believe he didn't even know who was

1024
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,039
going to play his wife, like Betty Gilpin hadn't even

1025
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:34,519
been cast, right, And then they had to go back

1026
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,719
and shoot, and he said that he actually modulated his

1027
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,320
voice so that it sounded like a younger version of

1028
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,880
the but It's just so strange to me that those

1029
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,800
were shot out of sequence because.

1030
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: That episode was so fucking funny, the whole part on

1031
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,400
the boat.

1032
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: The part on the boat. Yes, although I wanted to

1033
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,960
kill Matthew Reese because come on, how big of an

1034
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,559
idiot are you?

1035
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: Well, he is an idiot.

1036
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: He is an idiot.

1037
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was so funny when he's like.

1038
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,679
Speaker 1: Everything about that scene was really really funny. And I

1039
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:07,840
actually thought Stephen Or was going to die that episode too.

1040
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,719
I really thought he was going to die. I still

1041
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,679
think he's going to die because he gave an episode,

1042
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,679
he gave an interview and they talked about a second season,

1043
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,760
and he gave answers that I was like, sounds like

1044
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,960
you don't make it out alive through this season. He's

1045
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,559
great in it, And no, what is not great in it?

1046
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 2: Was that the last episode?

1047
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: No, the last of the season. Yeah, no, no, I

1048
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,880
think there's three more or two more, I can't remember,

1049
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,320
but we're here to tell you to watch it. Yeah,

1050
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,840
it's really really good. It's it's smart.

1051
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:40,599
Speaker 2: It's smart.

1052
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean we we really like smart stuff.

1053
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: I do witty, Yeah, that be intellectual, but but well

1054
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,599
observed to be intelligent, right right, right, that's it's me.

1055
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:56,360
Even when it's supposed to be a silly humor, it

1056
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,079
has to be delivered in a witty, intelligent way.

1057
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, just to bring this back to our

1058
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,320
previous conversation, as much as I love Hacks, the last

1059
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,360
several seasons of the show, I just don't think it

1060
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,599
was smart. I don't think it was very smart writing.

1061
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,280
It was it all rested on those two actresses, who

1062
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,039
are amazing.

1063
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,519
Speaker 2: But with.

1064
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: Widow's Bay as good as Matthew Reesays, as good as

1065
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,840
Stephen Rude is, it doesn't all rest on those actors.

1066
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,320
The writing is actually smart, well.

1067
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:27,119
Speaker 2: Observed, awesome. Yeah.

1068
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: I cannot find a single, you know, weak point or

1069
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:33,599
there's never a point where I'm taken out of the story.

1070
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:37,000
And like what, I hate the Sun, I hate the teenagers.

1071
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,079
I can't stand him, but I mean he does.

1072
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be annoying.

1073
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be annoying, and he does have reason to

1074
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,880
be mad at his dad. But that's Psycho girl. Who

1075
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,440
was going does I kept waiting for, like what is

1076
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,880
she some sort of I know, curse or something because

1077
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,119
she was acting so strange.

1078
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:54,519
Speaker 2: I know, I was so mad at her, But I

1079
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,119
love the secretary at the office, the old lady.

1080
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: The old lady. Yeah, I can't read her own hand.

1081
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1082
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,079
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of colorful characters. And then it's

1083
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:08,880
in the middle of a Stephen King novel. Basically, that's

1084
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,199
highly recommend highly recommend it. Yes, so Widow's Bay on

1085
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,400
Apple TV can't recommend it enough. And I believe we

1086
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,280
have exhausted our topics for the way, so we'll be

1087
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,480
back next week. We do have a new set of movies,

1088
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,880
movies for the Bitter Movie Club. We're taking this week off,

1089
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,599
but we have a whole set of movies for June.

1090
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:36,079
The first one we'll be doing next week is Atonement

1091
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,719
from two thousand and seven starring Kieran Nightly, So go

1092
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,159
ahead and watch that. I believe it's on both Netflix

1093
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,119
and HBO Max.

1094
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 2: Great movie.

1095
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: You should be able to catch it if you if

1096
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,360
you are so inclined, And we'll be back with whatever

1097
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,960
else you know across our eyes across our desk next week.

1098
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,800
Till then, take care of yourself, love you mean it.

1099
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 2: Bye bye bye.