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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you. Molly. How's it going well.

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Speaker 3: I am having a particularly busy week. I flew on

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Friday to Phoenix so that I could be at Charlie's

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memorial on Sunday. And I had to fly on Friday

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because all of the flights were sold out on Saturday

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and I wanted to make sure I got in. So

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I spent the weekend in Phoenix, and then after Charlie's Memorial,

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I took a red eye to New York City, got

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very little sleep, did some TV on Monday, and then

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as soon as I was done with the TV, flew

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down to Tampa and drove down to Sarasota. And I'll

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be speaking at New College or I will have already

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done so by the time this airs, and so I've

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just been like go, go going for days and I

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won't be home but in my own bed but two nights,

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you know, in the next couple of weeks. But I'm exhausted,

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That's what I'm trying to say. This is a very

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exciting way to begin, but I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 1: Well, would you mind talking a little bit about the

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memorial service for Charlie Kirk? What you know, I think

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it was attended by like ninety thousand people, was it?

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Speaker 2: It must have been something to be there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it really did not work with my schedule

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to go. I mean, it just really was genuinely an impossibility.

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But every time I have missed a funeral or a wedding,

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I have regretted it. So I do my best to

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make it out. And I just did not feel right

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about not being there, and so Sean Davis and I

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both went out. He also had a crazy schedule, but

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I'm so glad we went. And because I got there

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a little early, I was just talking to random people,

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went on a hike. I was out there with a

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friend and we went on a hike north of Phoenix

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and it was beautiful, you know, early morning hike. We

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had coffee. Afterwards, we go into this coffee shop and

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from that conversation on, like at the coffee shop. Talking

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to the brista, we realized this was going to be

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a massive event. I knew it was at an NFL stadium,

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and in fact, one of the largest NFL stadium so

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I knew it. I knew they were capable of having

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a lot of people, but I didn't think they would

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actually fill the stadium. You know, people throw around numbers

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all the time, but it's really difficult to get massive

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groups of people to a singular location at a specific time.

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And every conversation we had, we realized people were talking

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about getting out there at two am or four am,

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and we had you know, special access and special parking

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as friends, but so we didn't think we needed to

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get there as early, and we certainly didn't need to

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camp out. But we left early on Sunday morning, you know,

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by six am, and we pretty much immediately realized that

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it was going to be trouble getting in. And before

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eight after having not made any progress or not much

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of any progress at all, and realizing we're just not

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going to make it there in time at the rate

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of progress that we were having, we abandoned the car

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in a neighborhood and walked in and one of the

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challenges was that if you were general admission, you had

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a ticket, but if you had the you know, the

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friends and family access, that was through a QR code,

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and they wouldn't accept your QR code at general admission,

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and they wouldn't accept you in as a pedestrian through

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the Friends and Family entrance. You had to come in

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in a car. So I just started hitchhiking and we

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you know, get kind of like away from the Secret Service.

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So they didn't yell at me, but you know, found

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a guy who had room for us because his wife

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and kids had had found a way in otherwise, and

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so he brought us in in the car. And by

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the time we made it in, which I think was,

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you know, in the eight o'clock hours, still it was

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already almost full, and the outside was a massive crowd

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of people, and I'm like, there is no way they're

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all getting in. I don't know how many people in

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the stadium holes. I think it's like normally sixty five thousand.

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no seats behind that were occupied. But then they also

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had seats on the floor and I saw that Andrew

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Covid said that they had tracked two hundred and seventy

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five thousand devices in and around the stadium like on this,

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you know, in the stadium or on the stadium grounds,

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you know, potentially an iPad and you know iPad in

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your car and phone on I think bid.

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Speaker 1: Inside the stadium, they said there was approximately ninety thousand people,

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and I assume a bunch of others outside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you have.

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Speaker 1: A sixty thousand seat stadium, then you have the grounds

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and other areas there. You know, you can fill people

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and when you're not playing a game. I'm sure, so yeaheah.

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Speaker 3: So it was I knew, I knew to expect a

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lot of people, but it's entirely another thing to be

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in a stadium filled to the rafters with people. And

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it was not a single scuffle or an unkind word?

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Did I hear? Everyone was so nice to each other

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for because of why they were there, I'm sure. But

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it was one hundred degrees outside, so people were hot,

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and you know, in a normal situation, there would have

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been a lot of scuffling in problems, but everybody was

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so well behaved and it was just beautiful, like I

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sat next to family friends of Erica's who had like

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a guy who had been a trainer for her as

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a student and then also in her pageant days, and

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behind Charlie and Erica's ophthalmologist. You know, it was just

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like that kind of those kind of people like and

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it was just nice to be with friends and family

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and you know, just it's an experience I will never forget.

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I am so thankful and grateful that I got to

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be there. And it was overwhelming. I was physically and

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mentally exhausted long before the end of the of the

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day there, and it was you know, it was also interesting.

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Charlie in Erica are clearly, you know, very evangelical, and

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so it was an evangelical worship style, which is not

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what I'm accustomed to. But it was very well done,

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I thought, And it was just kind of interesting to

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take part in that, and even thinking through how all

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the people who were musicians up on stage, they're doing

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a stadium concert basically, which is not easy, but they

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did a magnificent job, I thought. And then the speakers

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were you know, I loved it. I loved like knowing

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most of the speakers and what they had to say,

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and they kept kept people on a pretty you know,

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tight timetable, and it was so I know, it's just

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different for you, but for me to hear so many

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prominent people talking about their Christian faith in that moment, Like,

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you know, there's that joke about Marco Rubio having eight

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different jobs, and my sister was like, he should become

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a pastor next, like he's good at preaching. And because

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it was it was a context of a Christian service,

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although they had people who weren't Christians speaking, like Tulsa

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Gabbard and Stephen Miller, because it kind of like started

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as a worship thing and then at some point kind

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of moved into more like the political side of having

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cabinet officials and other prominent people speaking. But I love

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Stephen Miller's speech. I don't know if you've heard it,

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but his was the like we are the storm speech.

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I thought that was also enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: Just as an outsider, you know, I watched only highlights

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and stuff, but it had a kind of feel a

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revival service in a way. Sometimes very I guess there

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were I saw some liberals on Twitter saying that they

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felt like it was so alien to see it and

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stuff like that. But I mean, I've been exposed to

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kind of evangelical churches and stuff in Colorado, so it felt.

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Speaker 2: Like a mega church maybe, or it might be or

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something like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought those speeches were great, and you know,

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I thought, yeah, I think it's important for forgiveness. Was

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very powerful, you know, all that very Christian obviously in

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a good way, you know, not that there's a bad

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way to be Christian, I'm not sure, but so yeah,

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I did feel a little bit outside of it. But

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also I felt like I wish more people were like

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this because this is a beautiful thing, right So, and

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I've long argued I think that a more religious America

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is better for us as a nation.

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Speaker 2: So it's nice to see that. I mean, I don't

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know how long that lasts. And I did get a

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kick out of.

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Speaker 1: Trump saying he hates his he hates his but anyway,

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starting interrupt, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was my kind of feeling as I

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watched it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I wanted to go into the what you

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just said, but before we do that, I just want

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to say a little bit more on the evangelical worship.

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And I'm sure a lot of our listeners do worship

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this way, and whether you do or don't, So I

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think it's good for people to have a general knowledge

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of how other people worship and to have a certain

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degree of respect for it. Like I find it useful

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to understand how different people worship or even don't worship,

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you know, just to understand my fellow man better. And

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the evangelical worship style is a very big one. And

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so if you were completely alienated from it or you

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don't know anything about it, like, that's not a good

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thing for you. Particularly not a good thing if you're

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a journalist and you don't understand how they worship, they

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don't it's a it's a mark against you. It's not

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any like flaw on them. It's really you problem. And

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so but I was also trying to like find ways

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to align myself. Meaning Okay, obviously as a Christian at

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root we are you know, we're worshiping the same God

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and have a common faith. But I these evenangelical worship songs. Again,

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want to say, the musicianship I thought was very good.

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would do hymns or like more American spiritual songs. I

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felt more comfortable than when they were doing the just

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like over and over repetition. But they did one of

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these repetitious songs and I kind of liked it, which

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was just, you know, the ironic blessing from numbers. I'm

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sure it's like part of other liturgies, but you know,

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some variation of the Lord bless you and keep you.

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The Lord make his face shine upon you, and be

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gracious unto you. The Lord lift up his countenance upon you,

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and give you peace. I'm sure you've heard this. So

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they had some you know, maybe like different language there

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that they were doing, but they just kept doing it

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over and over and I was like, I'm kind of

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into this now. Our pastor says it at the end

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of a service as a blessing to us, and so,

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you know, just finding any kind of liturgical commonality was

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helpful to me. For Lutherans, we worship in an ancient style,

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kind of connected through Christianity through all ages, but with

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very set scripture readings that change, but you're doing them

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with everybody else in the world on the same scripture readings,

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but you do it at your own congregation and you

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have sermons and hymns, and the hymns are very like

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robust theologically, no repetition whatsoever. So it's different, but I

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still enjoyed it, Like I I it just even was

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nice to experience what other people are experiencing and just

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be able to get an appreciation for it.

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Speaker 1: So sure, anyway, I'm sorry, go on, just I was

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gonna say a note on how alien it felt to

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some people. I was just thinking at the time that,

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like I grew up, the most familiar Christian you know

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was a Roman Catholic, and mass made sense to me

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as a Jewish person because it has a it's not

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similar exactly, but it has a set thing that you

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say when you say, you stand, you sit, you follow orders,

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that sort of thing. But I don't think when I

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first went out to Colorado and saw a megachurch that

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I had ever how can I put this, I don't

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think there are cultural depictions of that world that people

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can consume. They don't understand what's happening there other than

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there'll be some evangelical preacher being mocked for being.

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Speaker 2: Corrupt or over the top or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But there's very few cultural depictions that a New York

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though it plays a really big part in American life

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for a lot millions and millions of people.

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Speaker 3: So there were some interesting aspects even in that. I

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don't know if you caught the part where a pastor did.

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I think they call it like an altar call where

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you make a decision to accept Jesus into your heart,

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I think is how they say it. And they ask

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people to stay, everyone to sit, but if you decided

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to become a Christian that day, to stand. It's like

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pressures on. So there were, you know, many people who stood,

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and then the pastor asked any Christians near them to

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go pray with them, and you saw all these people

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kind of get up and go over to the people

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who had stood and pray with them. And it was

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just touching to see a community event like that. This

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reminds me that my mom went to a Billy Graham

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revival when she was a teenager with some friends of hers,

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or like a family that was with her. My mom

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was already a baptized Christian, but when they made the

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altar call, she, for some reason in her juvenile head

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thought that meant that she should do it so that

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the family would drive her back to her house. And

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so she we always tease that she got saved at

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a Billy Graham revival. She was already a Christian, Okay.

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And then let's talk about Erica. So you heard her

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initial remarks after the assassination presumably, yeah, I did, and

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which I thought were really impressive and I cannot even

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imagine doing it. One thing that was interesting. We were

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sitting right behind the actual staff at TPUSA, and you

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could tell that they adore Erica, like just absolutely love her,

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and it was just nice to see that. You know,

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they're they're clearly a close staff. Anyway, they were very

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supportive of each other when they were up talking, but

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when Erica was up, they were just, you know, they

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love her and.

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Speaker 1: Well, and she's like, I should mention she's running the

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organization now, I think the board everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I loved when she said that Charlie was trying

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to save young men like the one who took his life,

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and then talked about how Jesus forgave his executioners and said,

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forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.

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And then said she forgave her husband's assassin because it's

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what Jesus did and it's what her husband would do.

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And I was like, I mean, I can't even think

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about it without crying.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 3: It's so beautiful and such strength, and it is you know,

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it's so Christian. It's not you know, it's not normal.

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It's not how a lot of people operate. And it's

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not in contrast with holding the assassin accountable for what

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he did. And so when Trump followed up by being like,

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we're gonna kill him. We're gonna kill him good, you know,

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there's some people can look at that and think there's

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a contrast. But in fact, the kingdom of the Church

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is a kingdom of forgiveness and the kingdom of the

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state is one of justice. You know, So it would

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not be appropriate for Donald Trump to be like, I

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forgive him, do so no accountability, Like that would actually

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be a violation of his vocation.

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Speaker 1: I think you're being somewhat charitable to him there, because

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he personally said he says, I personally cannot you know,

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I hate my enemies or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But oh yeah, so it's like Charley loved his opponents.

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I don't I hate them. I hate them all. I

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can't do Donald Trump, so please.

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Speaker 1: Well it's not terrible, but a lot of people again, listen,

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I'm not pretending I'm some expert on theology, but people

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misunderstood the forgiveness part as her saying that that there's

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no responsibility connected to the actions of what you do,

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and that's not what that means. Even I know that,

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and sometimes I wonder not to take this in a

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different direction. That we have an educational system that doesn't

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teach people even the basics of Christianity doesn't mean you.

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Speaker 2: Have to be a Christian.

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Speaker 1: It means that these are the foundational ideas of Western

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society and you should have some understanding of how it

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works in this country.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to go in that direction. We've

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heard of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me go in that direction a little bit more,

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which is another fundamental teaching of Christianity is that we

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are all sinners. You don't even really understand our nation's

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founding if you don't. And that's not just you know,

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I think that comes there's some shared nature of that

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with Judaism too. Our system of our government is built

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on the understanding that we are all sinful, and so

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the curbs and the barriers that are there, the checks

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on that are because we know that there's no such

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thing as like a good person that you can entrust

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to govern you, and so we have to have systems

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that put a check on bad impulses for sure.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that's that's inherent in Judaism

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as well. I mean, you know, the message in many ways.

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Speaker 2: Is the same.

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Speaker 1: Now, obviously there was different They stress different things in Judaism,

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and by the way, in Christian denominations, Christians fought each

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other in wars, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, over these ideas.

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Speaker 1: But I think today in the modern world, all people

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of faith or most people of faith Christian denominations, Jewish people,

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can share a sort of moral vision for the country.

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, I was trying to bring up the

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thing about sinfulness, because when you know that you are

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a sinner, you are instantly more loving toward your fellow man,

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because you don't think you're better than they are, because

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you know that you know about the sin that's in

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your heart. And that's an important concept. And as we've

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moved away from it, you see a lot of people

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seeking to annihilate their political opponents or move toward violence.

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And I think particularly on the left, which has become

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much more secularized. Like there's a problem with secularism on

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the right as well, but the left is like dangerously

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not that they're not religious, but their religion is not

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one of love for neighbor.

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's what I was going to say, secul

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You can be secular and still believe in a lot

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of good things.

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Speaker 2: The problem with being a secular person is.

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Speaker 1: That sometimes you want to fill the void left without

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that you don't have faith with something, and a lot

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of times it seems to me these young people fill

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them with the most idiotic ideasble you know, like people

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talk about transgenderism as if it was a religious calling

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and that it becomes super dangerous and evil. And I'm

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not just picking on that one issue. I think there

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are a slew of them. But yeah, obviously, when you

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have an event like this, you see what community means.

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And people used to have their community right, like you

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went to church with your neighbor. You wouldn't maybe treat

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them the way we treat each other where we only

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know each other maybe through you know, social media or

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something like that.

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Speaker 3: Way I do think that people think I don't know.

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I know there's a lot of great awakening theorizing going

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on now and even in the past. Like it is

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true that you have changes in trends of religious participation

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that are noticeable. It's also true that sometimes there's like

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a really big moment that people think is going to

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change everything. Nine to eleven would be a great example

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where you also saw people immediately go to church that

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next Sunday and maybe even for a month or maybe

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even for a few months, but then they kind of

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went back to normal patterns of their church going. So

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I think people shouldn't build too much into that and

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understand that christian conversion is a is a lifelong thing

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and it should be you know, it's a long process.

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It's not a feeling, but it's a yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, no, no, I'm just gonna say, I don't think

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there's a great awakening going on, but I do think

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that maybe there's a slight revival going on. And sometimes

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that is just people who have never who aren't don't

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you know, don't how can I say this? They reaffirm something,

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maybe they believe in Christianity, may maybe they start going

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to church again or something like that, but they never

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you know, have left.

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Speaker 2: Completely or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like maybe, I know, I've seen some

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polls or more people are, you know, the Catholic Church,

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maybe as an uptick in membership. I'm a little skeptical

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of that polling, but you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I or maybe maybe religion becomes a bigger part of

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the right than it was. Maybe social conservatives drive that

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party now more than they did, even though the left

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always thinks they drove it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that that's true. But anyway, sorry, no.

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Speaker 3: All of that. So, yeah, I remember reading this thing

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from Cardinal Ratzinger before he was pope, talking about how

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he thought the Roman Catholic Church would get smaller but stronger.

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And I do think, you know, people like to think

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there's some kind of revival happening. Well, actually, statistically, church

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attendance keeps going down, down, down, across like every denomination,

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and so it's more like a who's declining the least

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kind of contest as opposed to who's growing, which is

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not great, you know, in my view. But I also

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think there is genuinely something different about the younger generations

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that Charlie Kirk was trying to save. Yes, a lot

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of them are radicalizing or accepting the religion of transgenderism

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or other gender ideology radicalism, But there are a lot

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of youth who are desperate to move away from the

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amorphous lack of moral stronghold that we've been in for

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a while. And I do think you're seeing an uptick

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in that age group, you know. I think statistically we've seen,

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particularly with young men, a big increase in church membership

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for them. And I've certainly seen that at my congregation.

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my Lutheran church in Northern Virginia, and I think that's

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different than what I experienced growing up, you know, where

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it would be more like an upside down pyramid in

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the age rage. So there's some I do think there's

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something going on and that people would be wise to

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keep focusing on that. And I would say one thing

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that I'm excited about with Erica Kirk taking over a TPUSA,

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which is an amazing organization, you know that does really

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good work. They did such good work with young men,

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and you can you can see it, you know, in

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different metrics. Young women are lost, and I'm really hoping

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that she can help with guiding the organization to help

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young women achieve their full potential.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was very male focused, makes completely sense, And

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in the videos I saw him speaking to young men

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with I think a very universal message.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's a Christian message.

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Speaker 1: Be strong, have a family, protect your family, be patriotic,

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love your country. I mean, I think those are universal

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things that we can all believe in. So I thought

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it was quite an uplifting service. I didn't watch it.

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From me, it seemed like it was long. I mean,

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I have to say, I can't remember the last time,

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other than maybe a convention, where you had the president

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and vice president at the same place speaking. I didn't

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look into this, but I bet you it doesn't happen

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very often, right. I'm also amazed by how many and listen,

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I know, when someone passes away, everyone feels closer to them, maybe,

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but I can't believe how many people he had befriended,

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Like he seemed to be an incredibly social person. That's

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kind of amazing too. And I don't mean like I'm

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not mocking these people for thinking they're his best friend,

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but some people can make you feel like you're there

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you know, like they love you and are so close

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to you, and that is a gift, right that they

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can do that with so many people.

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Speaker 3: It's I think we just talked about Brie Peyton last week,

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but our calling Bree Peyton, who also died young, I

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cannot help but think about her, you know, at times

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like this. And one of the things that just blows

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me away about Bree that Charlie also had was like

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how much life she lived in such a short period

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of time. It's almost like, you know, she just everybody

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she touched loved her, and she was so full of

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joy and love for everybody. And Charlie Very, I mean,

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I don't even know how he had time to be

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such a good friend to everybody. I liked when people

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were telling stories about how he sent out scripture versus

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every morning to people in his contact list, he prayed

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for people he oh Andrew was also Andrew Cole, but

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his executive producer, was also talking about how he responded

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to how he read every email he got, and I

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cannot imagine how much email he got. But I also

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read all my emails. I just want to say, in

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my case, I live and work in Washington, d C.

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Where the hive mind is intense, and I have very

479
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,799
different ways of thinking than nearly everybody in my geographical area.

480
00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:33,039
The email keeps me in touch with how the rest

481
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,480
of America thinks, and so whether it's critical or positive,

482
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:43,079
I love getting email because it keeps me grounded and

483
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,680
not susceptible to some of the group think. You're such

484
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,680
a contriaron, you would never be susceptible to group think.

485
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:52,039
But it just helps me. And I also like knowing

486
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:54,519
when I say something that people are like, I agree

487
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:56,799
with you, because it's difficult to say it in my

488
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,759
context where I'm saying it in rooms full of people

489
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:02,400
that hate me. But I think you know, I still

490
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,160
say it, but it's just difficult. I always think when

491
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,839
I'm saying something that I know is not the approved

492
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,279
message of Washington, DC, I always say in my head,

493
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,720
I know there are people who agree with me, and

494
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:14,480
so when I get the email saying I agree with

495
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:16,039
you and thank you for saying it, I'm always wondering

496
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,480
why nobody's saying it. I love it. I love it.

497
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,920
Or also when I get stuff people saying, hey, I

498
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,880
appreciate what you what you were trying to say, but

499
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,880
here's why you here's why I think you were wrong.

500
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,880
I also like that I like getting feedback from real people,

501
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,559
and I just love that he did too.

502
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,519
Speaker 1: Well an email. I would say that from this show.

503
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,839
The email I get through this show is actually the

504
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,119
best email that I get. I'm not just saying that

505
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,319
it's mostlyful, destructive or yeah, leah know, well thought out,

506
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,200
funny TV show recommendations, things that I like. But I

507
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,519
do get other email i'd say, or you know less

508
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:57,559
now than I used to, but through comments that are

509
00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:00,440
really kind of awful. I never understand why people would

510
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,680
take the time to be annoyed by me that much.

511
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,119
But most of the email get here is pretty thoughtful,

512
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,440
and even when I disagree with it annoys me. I

513
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:12,440
sort of appreciate the effort people go in to make

514
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:18,039
their point. My contrarian streak, I think is unhealthy. I

515
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,519
was thinking about this the other day. I just want

516
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:22,000
to say. I was listening to the band Radiohead right,

517
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,920
which are a very popular band, right.

518
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:25,799
Speaker 2: And I'm listening to it. I'm like, this is pretty good.

519
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,279
Speaker 1: And then I said to myself, but something has to

520
00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:30,799
be wrong with it because so many people like it.

521
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No, really.

522
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,559
Speaker 1: Did one hundred percent said that to myself, and then

523
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,319
I said, maybe I have a problem.

524
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, it's okay to like a band that

525
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,160
other people like. And also Radiohead is objectively a very

526
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,319
good band, I think. Okay.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for the culture section.

528
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,039
Speaker 4: Are young people really going into debt to impress? The

529
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Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every

530
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,680
day Chris helps some packed the connection between politics and

531
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,279
the economy and how it affects your wallet. Apparently the

532
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:07,400
ticket to attention for young people is going into debt

533
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,680
to impress others by things like clothes and shoes. Two

534
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,960
and five gen zers admit to going into debt to impress.

535
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,359
That'll get you into some trouble. Whether it's happening in

536
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,839
DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

537
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: Be informed.

538
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris

539
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,960
Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

540
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,519
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to the news.

541
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm happy you went and I happy I got to

542
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:35,720
live live that vicariously through you and hear about it.

543
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,920
Let's talk about Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, this is related to Uh,

544
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,880
this is related to Charlie Kirk.

545
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: So Jimmy Kimmel went on.

546
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,119
Speaker 1: His show, which has been on since two thousand and three,

547
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:52,960
which surprised me. I thought it was more of a

548
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,200
recent thing, but he's been on a while. Right doesn't

549
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,279
get very good ratings. I think that that has to

550
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,480
do with him not be being funny, sort of a

551
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:06,839
middling narcissist. But also I think Late Night is dying

552
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,839
in general as a form of entertainment because people have

553
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,519
podcasts and they can listen to celebrities. Whatever the case.

554
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:16,799
He went on and we talked about this. I think

555
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,960
last week how the left was trying to convince us

556
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,319
that the shooter, Charlie Kirk shooter was a MAGA guy

557
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,599
or a far right kind of character, and we know

558
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,960
that is not true, and we knew it. When Jimmy

559
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,359
Kimmel said what I'm about to tell you, he said,

560
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,920
I forgot the exact quote, but that MAGA was trying

561
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,559
to convince us that the shooter of Charlie Kirk wasn't

562
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one of their own, which was.

563
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Speaker 2: An obvious lie.

564
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: So what I think happened was Sinclair, which syndicates the

565
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show in a bunch of stations, and I think is

566
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,000
it next next Star Media group which syndicates it. Both

567
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,319
are like, we're taking this off completely in my view,

568
00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:59,680
or I would say I'm ninety nine percent sure they

569
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,319
did this for financial reasons. You can have shows on

570
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,240
where people are lying and insulting your most of your viewers,

571
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:09,400
not that any of those viewers are watching it. And

572
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,960
I bet you if they put up some other show,

573
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:16,319
some non political rerun whatever, it would probably get better

574
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,880
ratings anyway, So why do it anyway? I guess maybe

575
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,039
we'll disagree here a little bit. I don't know, but

576
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:25,920
one of the FCC commissioners.

577
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: Chairman srend it in Car.

578
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,079
Speaker 1: Yes, who I like. I mean, we follow each other

579
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,359
on Twitter. I think I've interacted with him. He seems

580
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,200
like a good guy anyway. He had he chimed in

581
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,319
the day before on Benny Johnson's.

582
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Speaker 2: Podcast and he shut down.

583
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,759
Speaker 1: So because he had chimed in, everyone on the left

584
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:48,519
got to pretend that the Trump administration had pressured ABC

585
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,960
into shutting down. Jimmy Kimmel, You're not allowed to make

586
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,200
fun of presidents anymore. This is Nazi Germany. It's nineteen

587
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:58,119
thirty three. So we'll get to the rest of the

588
00:31:58,119 --> 00:31:59,680
story in a minute. But what was your reaction when

589
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,279
that happen?

590
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,039
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm going to restate some of what you

591
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,880
just said, which is Sinclair and Next Star are distributors

592
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,599
or they have a bunch of TV stations, right, and

593
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,640
they made the decision to not carry the Jimmy Kimmel

594
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show because of what he had said and because it

595
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,319
was becoming more of a problem. And the context there

596
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,480
is that Jimmy Kimmel is I don't think people realize

597
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,599
this that the news shows and the late night the

598
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:33,839
outside of the View like ABC's The View, and the

599
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,359
late night shows are considered part of news programming. I

600
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,440
believe of these divisions, so not like entertainment but news.

601
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And Jimmy Kimmel, like his brethren, his other white, lily

602
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,480
white left wing brethren, took these institutions, these late night

603
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:57,160
talk shows that used to be away for the entire

604
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,960
country to get to know celebrity or to unveil new

605
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,759
comics or musical acts, and they turned them into just

606
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:10,759
night after night of not just like Democrat propaganda, but

607
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:15,160
pretty crazy left wing Democrat propaganda. And so some of

608
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,880
the local affiliates were growing sick of this, and Mark

609
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,880
was telling me a story about how one time one

610
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,200
affiliate threatened to cancel Conan O'Brien show for some reason,

611
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,559
and it was like a huge deal that one local

612
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,920
station might not carry the flagship you know, late night show.

613
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

614
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:43,319
Speaker 1: These two affiliates are encompass a quarter of all affiliates

615
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,880
in the country, So that is a huge significant amount,

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especially when you're talking about ABC. Already, these Kimmel having

617
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,480
pretty low ratings, I think, lower than the other two have,

618
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:57,000
and then your quarter of in rather large cities essentially

619
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saying no more view.

620
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,359
Speaker 2: You're losing a ton of revenue, and that's okay.

621
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: So I wanted to also explain a little bit about

622
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,160
the revenue situation. So some advertising is sold nationally and

623
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,400
it goes out to everybody, and then some advertising is

624
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,280
sold locally, and so you can imagine that there are

625
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:19,760
certain media markets where having nightly crazed left wing conspiracy

626
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,159
theories in propaganda might be a barrier to making money.

627
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,679
TV stations make a lot of money, and you know,

628
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,119
it's a very cool thing to own a broadcast TV station.

629
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:34,599
There's limited spectrum in limited channels, and that the FCC

630
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,440
allocates and you can make a ton of money. I mean,

631
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,840
ABC is a multi billion dollar company. I don't know how.

632
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,360
I mean, it's massive because of that legacy from when

633
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,039
there used to be no competition with the broadcast broadcasting companies.

634
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:56,000
So they suspend or sorry, so they say they're not

635
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:59,639
carrying Kimmel until the ABC starts taking its responsibilities to

636
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the or no, they say, they announce that they're suspending,

637
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:05,599
then are that they're not carrying it. Then ABC announces

638
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:11,920
a temporary suspension of Kimmel. Then those affiliates say, we're

639
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,519
we need more than a suspension. We need ABC to address.

640
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:19,400
We need ABC and the FCC to kind of address

641
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:23,960
whether ABC is living up to its obligations under FCC.

642
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,639
And this is something that I feel like probably our

643
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:29,280
listeners get, but that a lot of America doesn't get.

644
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:36,719
There's media that you do online, on cable, on newsprint,

645
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,840
you know, still like that, And then there's a small

646
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,559
there's a part of our media that's regulated by the FCC.

647
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,519
So that's over the air television stations and over the

648
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:53,199
air radio stations, right, so they have certain you know,

649
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,960
things that they used to actually enforce quite heavily for

650
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:58,920
public interests or even this is why you aren't supposed

651
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,760
to say certain bad words over the air, although there

652
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,079
have been changes and court decisions on all this. But

653
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,840
it's just a different regulatory environment. I mean in that

654
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,360
it is a regulatory environment unlike how it's supposed to

655
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,039
be for other media. And so Brendan Carr comes out,

656
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,360
and I think the real issue with what he said.

657
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,000
He says he was misunderstood on this, but he basically says, yeah,

658
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,440
there's some problems here and we can either do it

659
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,079
the easy way or the hard way. And so a

660
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:30,400
lot of people felt that that sounded like mafia like language.

661
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,280
He says he was really just talking about how the

662
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,880
people who have the licenses should be, you know, should

663
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,440
just be you know, they understand that they have certain

664
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,599
obligations to serve the public interest. That hasn't been happening

665
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,159
for decades. The FCC might be taking a look at it,

666
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,280
and if ABC and other people just handle it on

667
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,000
their own, then they don't have to get a regulatory crackdown,

668
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,800
which is you know, I think that's what I could

669
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,639
be mischaracterizing what he said. But is that what you're

670
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:05,719
asking what we're just so.

671
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:11,159
Speaker 2: I guess I did have a problem with what he said,

672
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,559
but maybe not so.

673
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: Yes, you can regulate what's on the you know, the

674
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,280
airwaves are regulated differently. It used to matter a lot

675
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,719
because that's how we all got our news in our television,

676
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,400
but now that's not the case. I don't even think

677
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,599
the FCC needs to exist. Frankly, I guess I wrote

678
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:29,960
about this. I had a few things to say. So

679
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,199
the first thing is, like Jimmy Kimmel has no excuse.

680
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,599
Not only did he lie about it blatantly I think

681
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,840
knowingly I can't bore into his soul, but also he

682
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,800
blamed the victims essentially.

683
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,199
Speaker 2: For what happened.

684
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: The second thing is, we're the right wing is winning

685
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,320
the culture war right now. They don't need the FCC's help.

686
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,559
I think they didn't need the FCC's help or Donald

687
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:57,679
Trump's help with Colbert, they don't need it with Kimmel.

688
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:01,400
And these shows are dying, and they will die because

689
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,159
they're not entertaining anymore because they alienated half their audience.

690
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,360
So for all those reasons we talk about it, even

691
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,639
the perception of pressure on them to do it, I

692
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:16,039
think is like a misstep in the way that, so I.

693
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,599
Speaker 3: Actually think itually want to say something. We have to

694
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:22,480
add the part that ABC unsuspended Kimmel and brought him back,

695
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,039
and Next Star and Sinclair said that maybe we're still

696
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:31,920
not airing him and we still need to we still

697
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,440
need to talk about this fundamental issue, which is you're

698
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,679
a crazy left wing propaganda thing and it's hurting our business.

699
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,360
So there's still stuff ongoing. I think what we can

700
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,639
learn from that is that the claim that Donald Trump

701
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:47,760
had shut down Jimmy Kimmel is clearly not true and

702
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,119
was like a media manufactured lie, but partly because Carr

703
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,199
made his comments at the same time that the market

704
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,960
was making their response to Kimmel known, right, yeah, because

705
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,840
like obviously they're bringing him back. They don't give a

706
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,360
flying fig what Donald Trump or Brendan Carr thinks. And

707
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,960
also Sinclair and Nexstar are still doing exactly what they

708
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,360
were doing last week, unrelated to you know, So I

709
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,000
think the media wanted to have a story. I think

710
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,280
they felt very badly for how they had called all

711
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,000
of their political opponents fascists to the point that they

712
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,320
were getting assassinated, and so they were just trying to

713
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,719
change the storyline, and so they really glommed onto this,

714
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,480
like Donald Trump personally came in and fired Jimmy Kimmel

715
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:32,360
and it wasn't really ever that. But one thing I

716
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,480
was confused by, though, is people getting upset, Like you

717
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:40,119
just said you don't think the fccs should exist, So

718
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:45,639
what should happen to Like how would you handle the

719
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,800
legacy of money made by these different stations who were

720
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,840
allocated a channel or a portion of the spectrum on radio.

721
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,000
Like if you, like were president, you were like, I'm

722
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,719
abolishing the FCC today, what happens to those?

723
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: So I don't understand what what do I want to

724
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,519
happen there?

725
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,199
Speaker 2: Do I want? What do I want happening?

726
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 4: Like?

727
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: What what's not happening right now that you think should

728
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,039
be happening? You want them to be more honest on

729
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:13,159
late night television.

730
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: Guess what I'm saying is like, do you want a

731
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,119
completely unregulated environment where anybody who builds a radio tower

732
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:24,440
can compete for the same bandwidth even if they're like

733
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,320
one building over.

734
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,639
Speaker 2: No, I mean it has to be worked out.

735
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:32,519
Speaker 1: But I don't think the FCC should exist as a

736
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,360
speech regulatory institution, So I would I have to think

737
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,840
about exactly how to change it.

738
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 3: But so I also wonder if that's If that's the case,

739
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,679
why aren't people trying to take away the laws and

740
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,119
regulations that make the FCC what it is? Like I

741
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,440
couldn't tell. They were like, like, do they not want

742
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,719
the FCC to exist? Do they not want them to

743
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,440
have the rules they have?

744
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 2: The answer?

745
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: Do they just not want them to enforce the rules

746
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,000
they have?

747
00:40:59,119 --> 00:40:59,679
Speaker 2: They want?

748
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: The left wants them to exist so they can try

749
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,880
to manipulate speech when they're in power and not to

750
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,840
do anything when they're not in power. That's exactly what

751
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,239
they want, because they're in massive hypocrites.

752
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,679
Speaker 3: That's a totally separate like the left uses the FCC

753
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,039
twenty four to seven. I mean, one of the stories

754
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,480
I wrote last year was about how Elon Musk had

755
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:28,519
won Farren Square, a competition to provide Internet two or whatever,

756
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,320
like to forgive me if I'm getting all the words wrong,

757
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,079
but to rural areas, and he was going to come

758
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:38,960
in like underbudget, really effectively, and then he started doing

759
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,440
things like buying Twitter, and so the Democrat FCC commissioner

760
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,280
canceled his award and said that instead they would give

761
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,679
it to like other companies that had not even begun

762
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,719
the work, like he was going to do it through starlink,

763
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,519
they were going to do it through underground cables or something,

764
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,519
and they hadn't even begun the work. And then you

765
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:59,840
had the North Carolina Tennessee floods where lack of access

766
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,000
to internet was part of the contributing factor to the

767
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,000
horrific death toll that we saw there and the suffering,

768
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,159
and it was all because the FCC commissioner was mad

769
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,840
that Elon Musk was no longer a left wing donor

770
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and activist.

771
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Speaker 1: So do you think that Brendan that people who are

772
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:23,360
freaking about out about Brendan Carr really care When Joe

773
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,119
Biden went on television on numerous occasions and said that

774
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,000
if Facebook didn't ban people from speaking and talking about

775
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,119
COVID and a weight in like that, there was going

776
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:36,079
to be a punishment, you know, like none of them

777
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,719
cared or when the attorney Yeah, those.

778
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:41,119
Speaker 3: Are those are very good. But I guess what I'm

779
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:45,559
trying to think through is ABC, NBC and CBS have

780
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:53,360
amazing privilege given by the FCC allocation to them, and

781
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,480
they were spreading outright lies with conspiracy theories for decades,

782
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,320
including in the last ten years when they were pushing

783
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,079
the Russia collusion hoax, the Brett Kavanaugh rap smear, And

784
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,079
it seems kind of weird to be like, yep, left

785
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,840
wing oligarchs own all of our media and there's nothing

786
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,639
you can do about it. And it's a government donated

787
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,679
space and there's nothing you can do. Like, I don't

788
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,079
mind the idea of the FCC being like, well, what

789
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,280
if we didn't handle it the way we did where

790
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,360
Democrats get to use the FCC as its plaything, and

791
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,159
when the Republicans are in power they sit quietly like

792
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,039
there might be a way too. I'm open to taking

793
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,199
away the FCC, although I'm very confused about how it

794
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,679
works in terms of like what I just said, the

795
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:39,880
spectrum allocation and stuff like that. Also like it can't

796
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,519
work this way where the left uses it, like Nancy

797
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:44,880
Pelosi every day of her life has been like the

798
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,320
FCC has got to crack down on conservative speech and

799
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,239
nobody ever does anything about her. Or Chuck Schumer ran

800
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,239
a campaign to get Tucker Carlson fired successfully. I mean,

801
00:43:56,639 --> 00:44:00,760
you have all these things that are happening from the

802
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,079
left and nobody seems to care. And then Brettan Carr

803
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:07,320
is like, yeah, lying about the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

804
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,599
that's not serving the public interest, and then everybody loses

805
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:12,519
their mind, like that's.

806
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: What seems like.

807
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,679
Speaker 1: Conservatives are making two arguments because they're saying cars comments

808
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,960
had nothing to do with it, but also it's okay

809
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
if it did, because he should, you know, exert the

810
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:24,000
force that they.

811
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: Necessarily that's not necessarily a contradiction. It is true that

812
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,760
what was happening was happening apart from what Car said.

813
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:36,119
That is nothing that the fact that what was happening

814
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:40,119
happened apart from what Car said does not tell us

815
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:42,400
whether what Car said was right or wrong. And there

816
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,360
is an open debate on that or even the larger

817
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,480
issue of is there a role for no longer letting

818
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,760
left wing propaganda destroy the country through government sponsored you know, companies.

819
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:59,559
Speaker 1: So whenever something like this happens, and we have to

820
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,480
deal with this all the time, and let's say that

821
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:05,239
Car had something to do with it, just theoretically, or

822
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,400
would in the future, They're going to use this power

823
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,679
against you when they come back in power. And everyone's

824
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,719
like where have you been the last twenty years and

825
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,559
all of that? And I get it, I have been

826
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:19,400
writing about it, but it is also to some extent

827
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,760
a truth. They will use it against you again. And

828
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:27,199
the best thing to do when you're empower is to untether,

829
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,039
untether the state from the ability to do this to

830
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,119
you again, not to strengthen that power, to ensure that

831
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,800
it will forever be going back and forth.

832
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: Right, And David, that's why I was asking you, what

833
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,639
do you want done with the issues that the FCC handles.

834
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:46,679
And by the way, they don't just handle radio and television.

835
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,280
They have everything to do with like cell phone carriers

836
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,239
and satellites and cable and all that too. So they're like,

837
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,400
for being a not the largest agency, they control so

838
00:45:56,559 --> 00:45:59,960
much of you know, communications infrastructure. That's why I was

839
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,639
asking you, like, what do you think should be done?

840
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,960
Was because I'm genuinely curious about it. I'm going to

841
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,119
be honest, but can I just say something really quickly?

842
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

843
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,119
Speaker 3: One of the things that really angered me, to the

844
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,159
point that I almost just said a cussword just now,

845
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,159
is that the Federalist really was, and in some sense

846
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:23,320
is censored by the US government. We are in settlement

847
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,159
talks with the State Department right now, where they have

848
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:32,039
already conceded that they illegally censored us to destroy us.

849
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,679
They've already like made that emission admission, and it was

850
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,840
in our pages of The Federalist. The government tried to

851
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,400
destroy my publication. And I do not think I heard

852
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:48,320
a single word from like ninety nine point nine nine

853
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,480
nine percent of the people who were freaking out about

854
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:56,159
an unfunny hate manger, conspiracy theorist being suspended for four

855
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,280
days by his TV network and a thing that had

856
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,800
nothing to do with the government. It enrages me what

857
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,119
we have had to deal with with actual admitted to censorship.

858
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,559
Our government, using taxpayer funds, financed the creation and marketing

859
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,519
of censorship tools that were used against me to hurt

860
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:20,960
my kids, and nobody likes said a word. It's just infuriating.

861
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,679
Speaker 2: No one on the left and a lot of other

862
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,719
people didn't put.

863
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: Some people, a lot of people on the right didn't.

864
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, well, all right, so obviously they're hypocrites. Obviously

865
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,880
they don't really care about free speech. This idea that

866
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,920
a guy was suspended I think for three days is

867
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,519
the you know, the end of democracy and the end

868
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:45,199
of freedom. And by the way, I quickly want to say,

869
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,400
a lot of these celebrities are like, this is not right,

870
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,440
and they're you know, out there people who didn't say anything

871
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:54,920
about a guy being assassinated speaking.

872
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,199
Speaker 2: Out where where?

873
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,199
Speaker 1: Or is your anger over that free speech and a

874
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,519
bunch of thousands of people or who knows how many

875
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:03,320
people celebrating it. I just want to say, just today,

876
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:09,599
YouTube admitted that the Biden administration that had had pressured them,

877
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,320
the Biden administration Democrats had pressured them to shut down accounts,

878
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,840
that it was unacceptable and wrong for them to do it.

879
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: Oh, can I say something about that when you're done? Sorry?

880
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:21,119
Speaker 2: Oh that's it.

881
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and that they're going to roll

882
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,400
back there. By the way, their censorship policies are still

883
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,039
in place today.

884
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: That's saying so YouTube, which was supposed to contact me

885
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,159
about some censorship we were dealing with and they have

886
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,000
failed to do so, they are like, we're no longer.

887
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,280
Oh my gosh. Let me tell you some of the

888
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,320
funny things they were saying. One was they they actually

889
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,639
don't censor if you use correct pronouns for a trans person.

890
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:52,760
They don't censor you so long as you did it unintentionally,

891
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,880
was one of the things I was told by them.

892
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,599
It's like, wow, that's a great free speech environment. So like,

893
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:03,440
if you were to accidentally refer to a man who

894
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:06,599
who says he's a woman as a man, you won't

895
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:10,239
get permanently banned. But if you were to knowingly refer

896
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,360
to a man who wanted to be called a woman

897
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,679
as a man, well then you have a lifetime ban

898
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,559
or whatever. But the worst censorship that is done by

899
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,480
YouTube is not actually the stuff you see. So the

900
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:23,519
stuff you see is if they say this person said

901
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:26,719
this thing, so we are banning them from our platform.

902
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:31,119
You see that. The far more insidious censorship that they

903
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:36,239
routinely engage in is to suppress the distribution of what

904
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,199
you say without even telling you that they're doing that.

905
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,000
So that is rampant at YouTube. It's also rampant at

906
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:48,159
Google and in general and a bunch of other big

907
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:53,880
tech companies. It's this silent elevation of crazy left wing

908
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,840
conspiracy theories and propaganda, the silent suppression of common sense

909
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,400
truth and anything that goes against that crazy left wing narrative.

910
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,599
And people don't even realize that they are being victims

911
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:13,079
of this, this algorithmic to talitarianism, because it's not visible

912
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,559
in any way. So do not believe YouTube for a

913
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,880
second about anything they say. So they say, you can

914
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,559
come back on now if you got banned because you

915
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,880
accurately said a man was a man, Maybe that's true.

916
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,719
That's one one billion of what they've done censorship wise.

917
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,639
Speaker 1: Here's a problem I do have, and people yell at

918
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:34,239
me about it, but I don't you know, it is

919
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,360
what it is. Yes, the left did it, the right.

920
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,800
A lot of people on the right want to do it.

921
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,400
You want to do it for revenge, you want to

922
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,800
do it to make things better, whatever it is. At

923
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,599
some point you have to say, is there an ideal here?

924
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,079
Is there a principle that we care about on its

925
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:52,079
own that is worth preserving that the government doesn't get

926
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:55,360
involved in free speech? If you do think that that's

927
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:59,400
a principle worth preserving, or maybe it's never or uplifting,

928
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,320
maybe it's really been there to begin with. We have

929
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,599
to start figuring out ways to destroy the institutions that

930
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,840
make it happen, that allow it to happen. Government's always

931
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,840
going to have power over people, but it was too easy,

932
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,639
in my view, at least during COVID, for them to

933
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,880
just tighten the screws on people they disagreed. It was

934
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,719
completely authoritarian, and I don't want that to happen again.

935
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,239
I don't see anyone doing anything to ensure that that's

936
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,440
the case. Does that make any sense?

937
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 3: It does? I mean, I I don't disagree. I just

938
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:36,880
think that the portion of the FCC granted areas is

939
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,519
just a completely different animal. I would love to have

940
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:44,360
been given what ABC, NBC and CBS have been given

941
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,079
in order to raise or to make billions of dollars,

942
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:54,400
billions upon billions upon billions of dollars, which is these

943
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,840
TV stations. I want think there's one.

944
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean there's a technological There

945
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,760
was a you know, it's like railroads, right or or

946
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,239
you know, there was there was limited technology when these

947
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,960
things started. Certain people got in at the front end

948
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:10,960
and they It's the same thing with let's say at Google,

949
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:12,840
they came up with a good idea. Now they kind

950
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,239
of dominate that, uh, you know, the search engine industry whatever.

951
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

952
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 3: So I was gonna say Google was also originally a

953
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,320
government project, right, So these there aren't these bright lines

954
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,559
between public and private that we have seen previously, And

955
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:36,159
it makes it somewhat It makes it somewhat difficult to

956
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,719
have some of these conversations in general. I mean, like

957
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:46,880
nobody wants the nobody, nobody wants you know what you're

958
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:47,480
talking about.

959
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:51,079
Speaker 1: It's just that I feel like people are under the

960
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:53,519
impression when they're yelling at me about stuff, that that

961
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:56,320
things are less competitive now in the media landscape, and

962
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,719
that the opposite is true when I was young, when

963
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,000
you were young three, Whether they're competitive or not dominated.

964
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,519
Speaker 3: Whether they're competitive or not, or more competitive or not,

965
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,199
it remains that they are FCC regulated. And you know

966
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,440
people I saw people being like, okay, so first off,

967
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,440
some people are like, well, when the Democrats come empowered,

968
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,360
they're going to come after all the conservatives literally ABC.

969
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:25,079
And it's like name one literally can you name out

970
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,440
out of a company with how many tens of thousands

971
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,360
of employees? Can you name one Conservative there.

972
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: At CBS or ABC or probably not? I mean I

973
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,320
don't think there are many or any.

974
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: When they were like they're going to come after Greg Guttfield,

975
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,519
it's like, well, Greg Gutfeld works for a cable outlet.

976
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,280
But also they've already done I mean, they've already done

977
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,280
it all, and people are just I mean, it's just

978
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,760
like infuriating to hear people talk that way.

979
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,559
Speaker 2: You can't talk, but I am you.

980
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 3: Name a single conservative at these crazy left wing government

981
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:03,039
related entities, your.

982
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: Right to kind of mock the idea that it hasn't happened.

983
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,039
Of course it's happened. Of course they've used this power,

984
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,920
But you also can't deny the fact that one day

985
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,400
they're going to have that power again and use it again.

986
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,360
So isn't it worthwhile talking about ways to instead of

987
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:21,920
tightening power? I mean, I see all these people you

988
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,119
know online who are very popular now like we have

989
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:26,039
to use the state to do the same. Yeah, but

990
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,079
what happens when you don't have the state anymore? You're

991
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:33,199
empowering it instead of instead of you know, undoing or

992
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:36,280
like I said, untethering the ability of these people to

993
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,079
do it. It's like it reminds me of vaccines and

994
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:40,920
farm in all that like farm a company can't make

995
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,000
you take anything, but the state can, and no one

996
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:47,559
people aren't mad at the state that can compel that

997
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:50,960
listens to a farmer company and compels people to do it, like,

998
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:51,679
do you know what I'm saying.

999
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:52,519
Speaker 2: I just think that.

1000
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: The anger is directed at the wrong institutions, but sort of.

1001
00:54:57,519 --> 00:54:59,079
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's one of the problems with

1002
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,960
And this might be a good segue to talking Did

1003
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,239
you say you wanted to talk about Kennedy? Did I

1004
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:07,000
just make that up?

1005
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 2: I mentioned them in our pre and our pre show.

1006
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:16,199
Speaker 3: We had a lengthy pre show discussion. But the pharma

1007
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:21,119
control of the regulatory capture is is an issue, and

1008
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:25,400
the pharma control of these agencies makes their it's hard

1009
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,239
to distinguish them from the state sometimes. And then you

1010
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,280
can talk about what you wanted to say about RFK there.

1011
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,639
Speaker 2: I don't people get so mad. I mean, I just

1012
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:40,199
think that I had silent all thing. He came up

1013
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,199
with his quackery.

1014
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,639
Speaker 3: Hold on, just really quickly back to the the previous thing, though,

1015
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:52,519
there is absolutely an argument to say, Okay, for decades,

1016
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:56,599
we begged you not to change the rules to the

1017
00:55:56,599 --> 00:56:01,400
point that you could destroy a conservative with a wild whim.

1018
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,239
We begged you not to do it, but you won.

1019
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,440
You know, you've you've you've used the last you know,

1020
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:14,360
ten years to destroy conservative expression and free expression, and

1021
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:17,119
anybody who was identified as conservative was at risk of

1022
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:19,280
losing any job, and blah blah blah. And so the

1023
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,679
rules have changed, so now we will we will now

1024
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,960
use your rules that we begged you not to have,

1025
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,119
because those are the rules now, this old conservative way

1026
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:30,800
of being like, you get to change the rules to

1027
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,079
destroy us, but when we're in power, we will sit

1028
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:36,360
silently and do nothing. That's what people are having trouble with.

1029
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,079
And I don't hear people actually actively coming up with

1030
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:44,360
destroy the FCC plans or you know, destroy anything else

1031
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:49,039
that's that's planned here. I mean, we do have Donald

1032
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:52,360
Trump trying to take down the Education Department after every

1033
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,679
single Republican candidate of the last fifty years saying that

1034
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:01,719
they would do it forty years. But mutually assured destruction

1035
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,880
is a is a form of you know, it's a okay,

1036
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,280
let's put it this way. Saying that rules have to

1037
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,599
be evenly enforced is a principle, and I think we

1038
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,239
are wrong to say it's not a principle. And so

1039
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,360
when the right is saying these rules that you crafted

1040
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,840
that I begged you not to have, will be equally

1041
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,119
enforced against you as you have used them against us.

1042
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:28,000
That is a principled stand. You may disagree with it,

1043
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:30,760
and I totally respect disagreeing with it, But to say

1044
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,320
it's not principled, I think is wrong.

1045
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: I didn't really say it wasn't principled. And let me

1046
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:40,960
just I am incredibly sympathetic to what you're saying.

1047
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: You can have two.

1048
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:45,039
Speaker 1: Sets of rules and one party operating under one and

1049
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:49,199
the other just letting them do it and not doing

1050
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:50,159
anything about it.

1051
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: It feels good to even the score in a way.

1052
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,079
Speaker 1: For a lot of people, I think they're just mad

1053
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:58,079
about the last ten years and they want to just,

1054
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:01,719
you know, use that power. I think there's another bunch

1055
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:05,199
of people who are just happy that or use it

1056
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:07,559
as an excuse because they're just happy to have that

1057
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:09,360
power and think government should be using it.

1058
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,119
Speaker 2: I totally get it. I understand the sentiment, but my business.

1059
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, I just want to say I didn't say

1060
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:19,679
that that's not a principle. What I'm saying is if

1061
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,639
you think what they did was wrong and you believe

1062
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:24,880
in free speech and the government not being there, that's

1063
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,119
a principle that either is worth trying to preserve or not.

1064
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,760
This is not no way to preserve it.

1065
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:32,559
Speaker 3: I do wonder though, if that's not people saying in

1066
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:36,360
order to this is my method for getting to that principle.

1067
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,280
You know, people say one, you know, so that could

1068
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:39,760
be a way too.

1069
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:42,639
Speaker 1: The problem is that that's not happening because there is no

1070
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,039
mutually assured destruction. Because I think in a way, the

1071
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:49,800
left is even kind of happy that these powers are

1072
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,519
now going to be preserved in that that they have

1073
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:56,400
some kind of justification and rationale to use them themselves.

1074
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,760
I don't think they care about American ideals. I don't

1075
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,000
think care about free speech. Frankly most of them, not

1076
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,000
all of them. I think there is a segment on

1077
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:06,639
the left now. I always want to keep a window open,

1078
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:09,280
like some future hope that we can come to some

1079
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,039
kind of normalcy again. But I think there is a

1080
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:16,360
segment out there that very tepidly kind of embraces the

1081
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,360
idea that hey, maybe they had gone too far. So

1082
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,280
as reclient saying the other day that we need to

1083
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,440
start running pro life candidates and red states and stuff

1084
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,039
like that and talking about free speech. Listen, I don't

1085
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:29,199
know how earnest he is about that, because I think

1086
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:31,840
he's been a bad actor on certain things, but you

1087
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:32,360
know what I'm.

1088
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 2: Saying, So I don't know. I don't even know what

1089
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,679
I'm going off on, but okay, I.

1090
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:38,039
Speaker 3: Just wanted there was something that's a little it's related

1091
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,480
but not directly related, which is I saw that ABC

1092
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:43,760
News said they were bringing Kimmel back because they thought

1093
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,559
that his message was ill timed, and I just want

1094
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:52,880
to say that's wrong. ABC slash Disney. There was nothing

1095
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,400
ill timed about his comment, because that suggests that there

1096
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,840
was better timing to make his comment. Maga was trying

1097
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,039
to give the impression that they hadn't assassinated their friend

1098
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,079
Charlie Kirk. There's no good time for that. And in

1099
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:13,199
fact what he said, I saw Andrew Covitt again say

1100
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,599
something pointing out that the subtext of what he was

1101
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:22,079
saying was, Hey, left wing assassins, if you kill one

1102
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:26,440
of the rights top people, we'll cover for you, we'll

1103
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,679
protect you, we will do things that enable future violence

1104
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,480
against our enemies. And it's a serious thing and ABC

1105
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:40,360
should take it seriously. We have moved into the assassination

1106
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:44,599
portion of this ongoing fight we're having, and it's not

1107
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:47,679
something that's funny. It's not something to take lightly and

1108
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:51,239
it's something where everyone in America should unite against it.

1109
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:54,719
You don't have to agree with conservative politics, but you

1110
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,400
should unite against left wing terrorism. And when Jimmy Kimmel

1111
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,599
is giving of aid and comfort to left wing terrorism,

1112
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,599
it's not an issue of timing. It's an issue of

1113
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,159
the content of what he said and how seriously ABC

1114
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,679
wants to be, you know, whether they want to be

1115
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,320
on that side or not, and we know they want

1116
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,519
to be on that side, but they should, you know.

1117
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,159
Speaker 2: I don't agree.

1118
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything you're saying about Kimmel. He's

1119
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,360
an insufferable mediocrity that I think he should be crushed

1120
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,559
via the market, what Nextdoor is doing, what Sinclair is doing, the.

1121
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: Way they crushed.

1122
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: I think about bud Light and think about what they did,

1123
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,320
and think about how they paid for that and how

1124
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,000
they've changed.

1125
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 3: I just asked David if we could talk about Humphrey's executor,

1126
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,880
and he's, like everybody's clamoring to talk about everybody's clamoring

1127
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,800
to hear about Humphrey's executor. But David, did you hear

1128
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,920
the news that the Supreme Court is going to take

1129
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:53,079
up a look at whether Humphrey's executor, this long this

1130
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:56,199
long standing case from the Supreme Court many nearly one

1131
01:01:56,239 --> 01:01:58,079
hundred years ago, whether it will be upheld or not.

1132
01:01:58,159 --> 01:01:59,199
Speaker 2: Did you see yes, I have.

1133
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: I think that great news. The Supreme Court on these

1134
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,440
major issues that have been lingering in American life and

1135
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,360
governance for a long time, have been right on from

1136
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:13,039
Janice to going back to Citizens United. So very I

1137
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:14,760
hope good things happen here. What do you think what

1138
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:15,400
you must spak.

1139
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,119
Speaker 3: Except yeah, so I think what people need to know

1140
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,199
this long and so this was back when Roosevelt fired

1141
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:23,800
the FTC Commissioner Humphreys and then he dies. Oh, he

1142
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,599
sues saying that he was at an independent agency and

1143
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,039
that he can't be fired. But then he dies, and

1144
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:33,480
so his estate carries on the suit. And that's why

1145
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,480
it's called Humphreys executor as opposed to Humphreys or Humphrey.

1146
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:43,280
And it's really the case that undergirds much of the

1147
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:48,760
administrative state, this unconstitutional fourth branch of government that has

1148
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,239
wrought so much damage in our country. And the question

1149
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,559
is whether there are bureaucrats who have no accountability, who

1150
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:59,760
cannot be fired by the president. The constitutional setup is

1151
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,519
that we have these executive agencies. You know, Congress passes

1152
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:08,119
the law and the executive runs what they pass. And

1153
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:11,800
if you're independent of both of these bodies, or somehow

1154
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,280
like kind of under both but neither, that's how you

1155
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,199
get a massive bureaucracy and administrative state. And so I

1156
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:21,199
don't know how the Supreme Court will rule on the

1157
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:26,119
particulars of this, but I think a lot of con

1158
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:29,440
law nerds are extremely excited about it being heard, because

1159
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,599
this is if you list like the ten worst cases

1160
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,760
in Supreme Court history, this is one that gets on

1161
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,800
most people's list as being just complete creation of law

1162
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,119
out of nowhere, and so it's ripe for revisiting, and

1163
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:47,000
I think a lot of people will be looking forward

1164
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:49,719
to it. You're wrong, David. Everybody wants to talk about Hamphrasey.

1165
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,639
Speaker 2: I know. I mean it is actually important, and I

1166
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:52,199
do care.

1167
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:55,639
Speaker 1: About it because I like i've I think I told

1168
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:58,079
you this or we spoke about this few episodes ago.

1169
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:03,320
I think that the president should try to create agency

1170
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,800
heads or allow them to be independent if he decides

1171
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,360
that's good. I think it's good for America that there

1172
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:12,800
are places that aren't very partisan or seemingly partisan, but

1173
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,679
making there's no such thing as independent agencies in the

1174
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:20,880
American governmance. This constitution says nothing about some rogue agency

1175
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,199
within the executive branch. Executive branch controls those agencies. If

1176
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:28,039
you don't like that, shut down the agency. So anyway,

1177
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,000
But also I was super excited about Chevron deference being

1178
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,360
overturned and what happens there. It just seems like we

1179
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,119
just continue to go along as we did before. I

1180
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:37,960
think it's going to say, take some time. I see

1181
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,280
your face is skeptical.

1182
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,519
Speaker 3: Well, I think that that the Chevron deference over that

1183
01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:48,000
was really important, but it's just the very first step

1184
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:53,719
that enables future action or will change the way future

1185
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:57,599
challenges to bureaucratic action take place.

1186
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: I guess I felt like there would be a sort

1187
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,960
of torrent of suits saying that the government and that

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agencies just made up rules and it doesn't seem to happen.

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Speaker 2: Are we really going to see a change? I guess

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is what.

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Speaker 3: I what really should happen as a result of changing

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some of this is that Congress gains more of its

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rightful power that it had handed over to the bureaucracy.

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Like the way they were passing legislation was to just say,

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we'll let the bureaucrats figure it out, and then the

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01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,960
bureaucrats became judge, jury, and executioner for all of the

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things that Congress passed. So for legislation going forward, Congress

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will have to do a much better job of laying

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out specifically what it wants. But Congress is so broken,

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01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,840
who knows when they'll actually do a better job with them.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I think we've been speaking pretty long time here,

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so let's talk about culture. I actually had some stuff.

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01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,119
You've been busy. I don't know, did you watch anything

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or what happened?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:00,719
Speaker 3: I think I've been listening to a lot of casts,

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which I continue to enjoy. Like on planes, I like

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01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,320
to listen to podcasts. What am I? What do I

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01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,679
listen to? Issues, et cetera. My favorite podcast. So that's

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01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,719
that's not much to talk about their other than I did.

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We did get a listener note saying that they liked

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that recommendation. So and then I just want to say

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one thing culturally, which is that when I was in

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Phoenix on Friday night, my friend arrived at the airport.

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We go to our hotel and we just I knew

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01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,519
I wanted Mexican because I live in Virginia and there's

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01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,360
no good Mexican, and I'm from California and Colorado, so

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i need it, like in my deepest parts, like I just,

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01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:41,920
I desperately want good Mexican. So I saw that there

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was late at night a place open, like a block

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01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:46,519
and a half away, and we went there and it

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was so good I cannot tell you. I mean it

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was like wallhawkan soul food, had some wonderful green chili.

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So the next day we go on the hike and

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some errands. Sean Davis was coming in later that night,

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and we had not eaten a single meal that day,

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so we decided to go back to the same restaurant.

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I think it's called Centrido or something like this in

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downtown Phoenix. Went back to the same place, got different

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things so good. So on Sunday we go to the

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Charlie Kirk Memorial. We had to leave early. We couldn't eat.

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We're like walking in the heat and everything, and we

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then had late flights to get back. So before we

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01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:32,719
went to the airport, we went back to Centriida. I

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ate three meals in Phoenix and all three were at

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this amazing Mexican restaurant that I could not recommend more highly.

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So there you go. That's my culture.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: I go to the same restaurants all the time, and

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01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,760
I meet the same exact thing every time, which having

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01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,400
spoken to other men is not I don't think that's

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01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:53,400
unique exactly.

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01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: But are you going to be up on the wall

1244
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:06,360
like that in the old style diners signed shots? I

1245
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:07,960
what did I do? Oh? Here it is?

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01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,559
Speaker 1: It's so embarrassing. I watched a documentary about Charlie Sheen

1247
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:18,600
for some reason. I found it pretty interesting. Actually, like

1248
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,680
you grew up with Sean Penn and these other famous

1249
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,960
people in Malibu. I'm kind of interested in Martin Sheen's life.

1250
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,840
That should do documentary on him. It seems kind of interesting,

1251
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,319
like a nice guy. I know, he's like a big

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01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:30,800
left date.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just going to say that. My other

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01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:38,960
cultural thing is that I begged my husband to cancel

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01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,960
Hulu because it's owned by Disney ABC.

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01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,560
Speaker 2: Oh, because they took Kimmel back.

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01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I just want everybody to pray for my

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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,760
husband because he's always having to deal with my boycotts

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01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,319
and demands that we not finance the people who seek

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01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,439
our destruction, and he's like, I just want to watch TV,

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01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,479
you know, Like I just like, just let me have

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01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,439
my one opiate here. And I was like, no, we're

1263
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:03,600
not giving them any money.

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01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:07,520
Speaker 1: I cannot cancel Hulu because there's then there's no way

1265
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,000
for me to binge Justify for the twentieth time. That's

1266
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:13,479
the only place that's streaming, so I have to keep it.

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,039
I'll tell you something. There are like these all these

1268
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:21,960
celebrities signed some kind of pro Hamas thing. I quickly

1269
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,279
turned it off because I don't want to see who

1270
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:25,680
signed it, because I'm not going to be able to

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01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,359
watch anything. I just I'm not a boycotter, you know.

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01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,880
I'm just not a boycotter. I can't do I'm.

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,399
Speaker 3: Eating my goyamines in a cave with my MyPillow or whatever.

1274
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:40,560
That trabble on being a joke was, I cannot fund

1275
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,439
people who are helping people kill my friends, you know.

1276
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,239
I just like I can't do it and it makes

1277
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:50,359
me feel And Mark was like there's no TV left,

1278
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,720
and I'm like, fine, we just read more books. Like

1279
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,680
I don't care. I don't I just don't want to

1280
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,399
help these people out as they try to destroy the

1281
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,960
country and literally, you know, kill my friends.

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01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 2: I know we have to go.

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01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: I quickly want to say, so, I went to a

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01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,640
beach this weekend with my wife.

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01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,520
Speaker 2: We just walked around and wasn't that hot? You know

1286
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:08,920
what I mean?

1287
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:11,239
Speaker 1: And on the way back, it's a pretty long drive.

1288
01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:15,680
She put on Flannery O'Connor's short stories. So I had

1289
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,000
knew nothing about this. It's I'm not I have never O'Connor.

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01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 3: This makes me.

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01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:26,199
Speaker 1: Every story it was the same. It's delightful Southern.

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01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:32,279
Speaker 3: You get you and then you're dead in a violent

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01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:33,640
in a violent murder.

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01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love them. They were They were not what

1295
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,359
I expected. They were really in your face and so

1296
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,520
well written, obviously, so well crafted, and it really took

1297
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,960
you to those places and then you're dead.

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01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 3: And I made a pilgrimage to her house in Georgia.

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01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:53,520
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, where is was it?

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,119
Speaker 1: Someone told me? Maybe I forget it was It's definitely Georgia. Yeah,

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01:10:57,119 --> 01:11:02,039
someone took yeah, uh okay. Quickly I started watching a

1302
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:07,159
new season of Only Murders in the Building Hulu show. Yeah,

1303
01:11:07,239 --> 01:11:11,479
you can't watch that anyway. Again, I'm not that big

1304
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,800
of a fan of that show. Anyway, it's all right.

1305
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,000
I actually thought this season was better or so far

1306
01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:17,600
as better than last season. And I start watching a

1307
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:22,800
show called Black Rabbit on Netflix, which stars Jason Bateman

1308
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:28,000
and Jude Law. Sort of gritty New York when's a

1309
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:30,359
restaurant tour the other brothers kind of messed up. Blah

1310
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:33,800
blah blah. I don't know, I don't know much, just

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01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,000
say on it. I was pretty bored, honestly, but I'm

1312
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,800
gonna stick it out six episodes.

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01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't do much during the weekend.

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01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta watch some TV or I've got

1315
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,279
nothing to say on the podcast next week, and then I.

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01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 2: Watch things like Black Rabbit. I'm like that, all right.

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01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: So thanks for telling us about your trip. I hope

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01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,600
the rest of your travels go well. I know you

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01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,039
have a lot coming up still right, and but we'll

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still be back next week until there be lovers of

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01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:06,840
freedom and anxious for the frames