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your support. So do you kind of get the feeling
that if there were a if there were a story,
if there were an example where Democrats could take the layup,
they could pick the low hanging fruit, that they would
dare I say, pounce, maybe seize the opportunity to do so,
in order to prove to everybody once and for all
that they really do not endorse or ecceps app any
kind of political violence. We've been told that they of
course don't support this. They of course don't support the
murder of Charlie Kirk, but they of course don't support
or condone the guy who went to assassinate Brett Kavanaugh,
sitting US Supreme Court justice. But of course they don't
support you attacking Ice officials and agents and such. But
right if ever, there was an opportunity for them to
just put a period before the butt. You would think
that a candidate for one elected office in Virginia might
who sent some really outrageous messages to a Republican wishing
murder on another Republican and that republic Bublican's entire family.
You would think this would be that proverbial layup that
they could just take this and say, oh, that's a
terrible thing. He should not Yeah, he should not be
continuing his run for of all seats, the attorney general
of Virginia. But that's not happening. No, no, that's not happening.
There will be the standard. I'm not saying he should
have said it, but it is simply politically inconvenient. It
is inconvenient for them because we only have a few
more weeks before their election. Now, they're already early voting.
In fact, hundreds of thousands of votes have already been
banked in the early voting period. So this guy Joe no, sorry,
Jay Jones, there's another guy named Joe Johnson. That's a
different guy. But this is Jay Jones. He is the
candidate for attorney General of the common Wealth of Virginia.
And the story begins low those many years ago. August eighth,
twenty twenty two, a Republican state legislator got a string
of disturbing text messages from one of her former colleagues.
Jay Jones, is a Democrat. J Jones was a state
legislator and then got out of the legislating business. And
at the time August twenty twenty two, he was already out,
but he still had I guess you know, the phone
numbers and group chats and such with his former colleagues.
He was at the time, he had recently resigned from
his state House seat after a brief stint representing Norfolk,
as I call it, so as to not run a
foul of FC's he guidelines Norfolk Virginia. And he had
actually left that seat because he took a gig in
the Biden administration. I believe his title was Deputy Assistant
US Attorney for Virginia, so that's where he was at
this point. I assume maybe he hadn't started the gig yet.
I'm not sure what the exact timeline is of his
employment there, but he started off as this state lawmaker.
He then resigns that post to go to work for
the Biden administration in the dj Okay, and now he
is running for Attorney General of Virginia. Okay. So he
sends a series of text messages. Now, he started off
by inadvertently sending it to this Republican former colleague. He
didn't mean to send it to her, but he did.
And then he doubled down, and then he tripled down,
and then he quadrupled down. If that's a thing, I
think it's a thing. So what had happened the backstory?
He has recently resigned, okay. But there was a former
state lawmaker who had recently passed away, had just passed
away in the summer of twenty twenty two. And that
guy's name was Joe Johnson Junior. Joe Johnson Junior, a Democrat,
a moderate Democrat, And when he died, he was being
eulogized by a whole bunch of state lawmakers, and a
lot of them happened to be Republicans. They were making
public statements honoring Johnson's memory, honoring his political legacy. And
some of these statements that the Republicans were making were
making the rounds in state legislative group chats okay, and
the comments from the Republicans were positive. You know, they were,
you know, thoughts and prayers to the family. Worked with
him for a long time. He was a really good man,
got a lot done for his district. Blah blah blah.
So around eight am Jones J. Jones, the living Democrat
now running for attorney general. He shared his feelings with
his former state legislative colleague, Republican House Delegate Carrie Coinner,
in a series of text messages that were obtained by
National Review. Jones derided Johnson's political centrism. Oh yeah, I
should point out here Joe Johnson was from southwest Virginia,
rural area of the state Appalachian Mountain area, and was
a moderate Democrat. You might call him a blue dog Democrat,
the very species that Democrat parties in the Southeast have
been trying to somehow woo back in because they've just
been getting obliterated in these areas that used to be
represented by blue dog Democrats when Democrat party machine operations
controlled all the levers of the government in North Carolina
for one hundred and fifty years. But they lost the
blue dogs long time ago. For economic reasons and cultural reasons. Right.
They Republicans started peeling these voters away, and Democrats just
kept kicking them out because they weren't sufficiently politically correct,
they weren't sufficiently woke, and they were not ranking high
enough up on the oppression pyramid. Right, So Joe Johnson
passes away. You've got these comments making the rounds, and
Jay Jones sends a series of tweets to his former
Republican colleague, Carry Coiner. And then these were apparently screenshotted
and sent over to the target of the text messages,
a guy by the name of Todd Gilbert. Todd Gilbert
was the I guess now former House Speaker Todd Gilbert okay,
who had made comments praising the late Joe Johnson Jr.
And so Jones says to Coiner in one of the
text messages, Oh, that was supposed to be for Mark,
somebody named Mark. I don't know who Mark is. It
doesn't really matter. He meant to send it to somebody else.
But rather than realizing you sent it to the wrong
person and just shutting up, no, no, Jay Jones doubles down.
It did not stop him from joking about what a
quote pos that means piece of poop Gilbert is and
what he would say about me if I died, what
the house speaker would say about Jay Jones, And then
the conversation took the dark turn. Here's a great idea.
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a piece at the National Review Nationalreview dot com by
Audrey Fahlberg, and she is documenting what I believed to
be was their exclusive story. They got these text messages
from j Jones, a former Democrat state lawmaker turned deputy
assistant US attorney now the attorney general candidate for the
Commonwealth of Virginia and election early voting is already underway,
and he was texting first. Inadvertently, he sent a message
to a Republican House delegate named Carrie Coiner, and he
initially says, oh, that was for somebody else, but then
he says, I wonder what Speaker of the House would
say about me if I died, Because the Speaker of
the house, a Republican named Todd Gilbert was saying nice
things about a Democrat who had died, a long time
Southwest Virginia Democrat named Joe Johnson Junior, and then the
conversation took a dark turn. He says, if those guys
die before me, I will go to their funerals to
whiz on their graves, to send them out a wash
in something where he started. He then suggested that if
he had the hypothetical situation in which he only had
two bullets and was faced with the choice of murdering
the speaker of the house Todd Gilbert or Hitler or
Paul Pott, he said he would shoot Gilbert every time.
Every time Joanes said three people, two bullets, Gilbert, Hitler,
and pole Pot, Gilbert gets two bullets to the head,
so he would let Hitler and Pole Pott live in
order to make sure that he murders the speaker of
the house, which would indicate insanity, but also that he
believes Gilbert is somehow worse than both Hitler and pol Pott.
I believe this is actually a joke that's been in
circulation for a while where you swap out you know
some other person besides, you know your political opponent. He
then says, spoiler, put Gilbert in the crew with the
two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets
every time, to which the Republican responds, Jay, please stop.
He then says, Lol, okay, okay. Coiner then responds, it
really bothers me when you talk about hurting people or
wishing death on them. It isn't okay no matter who
they are. Jones, who is looking to oust the incumbent
Republican Attorney General, a fellow by the name of Jason Millaris.
This fall, as I mentioned, early voting began on September nineteenth.
Coiner sent the screenshots of this text exchange to Gilbert
that day, so I can only assume one of those
two either sent them along to other people who gave
it to the National Review, or one of these two,
either Coiner or Gilbert, were the ones that divulged. In
Following publication of this story at the National Review, another
outlet published a reaction from the Jones campaign, who said, quote,
like all people, I have sent text messages that I regret,
and I believe that violent rhetoric has no place in
our politics. Let's be clear about what is happening in
the attorney general race right now, Jason Mayirace is dropping
smears through Trump controlled media, which, like this is the
National Review. National Review did like they did an entire edition.
I think it was called never Trump during the twenty
sixteen election. National Review is hardly a hotbed of trump Ism. Okay.
He says that these organizations are trying to assault my
character and rescue Jason Mallares's desperate campaign. This is a
strategy that ensures he will continue to be accountable to
Donald Trump, not the people of Virginia. This race is
about whether Trump can control Virginia or Virginian's control Virginia.
You know, yeah, see, no, this is right now. I
mean that you may think that's what the whole campaign
is about, but this right now, like this story is
about you fetishizing and fantasizing about the murder of your
colleague of an elected official. Okay, So it gets worse.
I mentioned the doubling and the tripling and the quadrupling down.
I think we're on the doubling down. This is now
I think going to move to the tripling down phase. Okay,
So after Coiner tells him that hey, This isn't okay.
It's not okay to talk about hurting people or wishing
death on them, no matter who they are. It's not okay.
And that then prompts Jones to call her. He calls
her to quote explain his reasoning. Yeah, no, oh, I'm
not sure that you can really explain this quote reasoning.
The Democratic former legislator then said that the only way
public policy changes is when policy makers feel pain themselves. See,
so that's why this is totally okay, right, because yeah,
they need to make changes and they need to feel
pain themselves. In other words, this is terrorism, Like, this
is the use of terror, The use of violence in
order to influence public policy changes. That's terrorism. So he's
trying to explain why terrorism is good in this phone call.
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So J Jones sent a text message or several actually
to a Republican former colleague from the Virginia House of
Delegates where he said it would be totally fine to
murder the House speaker, a Republican. He thought he was
texting somebody else, but when he found out that he
had sent it to a Republican, he continued and doubled
down and said, no, no, no, it's totally fine, And
then when his former colleague, this Delegate Coiner, when she said,
just stop. This is never justified. You know, hurting people
over politics has never justified. He then called her on
the phone to explain his reasoning, and he said that
policy changes only come when policy makers feel pain themselves,
like the pain that parents feel when they watched their
children die from gun violence. He asked her then to
provide counter examples to disprove his claim, which is actually
a pretty stupid thing, because policymakers make policy on things
that have not directly impacted them all the time. Then,
at one point in this phone conversation, he suggested that
he wished Gilbert's wife, the Speaker of the House's wife,
could watch her own children die in her arms, so
that Gilbert might reconsider his political views, prompting Coiner to
hang up the phone in disgust. That was the tripling down,
and now we arrive at the quadrupling down segment of
the story chapter four. After this, Jones continued his barrage
of text messages, saying he was just asking questions. Coinner
dismissed his excuse via text and chastised him for hoping
Jennifer Gilbert's children would die. Rather than deny that he
had wished death on the children, Jones responded by saying, yes,
I've told you this before. Only when people feel pain
personally do they move on policy, which would be confirmation
of the things that he said in the phone call.
Faced with more pushback from Coinner, Jones somehow took the
conversation a step further. He said, quote, I mean, do
I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they're
breeding little fascists? Yes, just so everybody is clear, Just
so we're clear. When given multiple opportunities to take the
off ramp from violence porn, Jay Jones refused to refuse
to pull off of that route. So, I don't know,
call me crazy, but maybe a guy like this should
not be the top cop of Virginia. What do you think?
Probably not the best job for him working in the law,
because what he is talking about is obviously against the law. Right,
Obviously he would celebrate violence, law breaking against his political
foe and the murder of his children in the presence
of his wife because it would help j Jones achieve
his preferred policy prescriptions, and he wants to be the
Attorney general of Virginia. Eric Erickson points out that if
Jones were a Republican, every major news outlet in America
would demand to know what the congressional Republicans think. A
few years ago, he says, a local public official who
happened to be a Republican made a racist remark, and
national reporters were on Capitol Hill demanding that Republican senators
and congressmen denounced the man, and that none of them
had even heard of Here we have the Democrats Attorney
general candidate in Virginia, by the way, and that's important
because of its proximity to DC, and how many people
who work in DC, who work for the government, how
many of them live in northern Virginia. Right here we
have the Democrats Attorney general candidate wishing a politician's children
were murdered and that politician to be killed, and folks
like Manu Raju of CNN is nowhere to be seen
shoving microphones in Democrats' faces. And I would simply point
out that that is not the way defend or disavow runs.
The game of defend or disavow is strictly to be
played by media against Republicans. Democrats are never forced to
play this game by media. This only there's only one
group of contestants that ever gets to play D or D,
and it is the Republicans. In fact, this is from
Let's see here. Yeah, these are several local Democrat committees
in Virginia, the Accomack County Party, the Chesapeake Party, Franklin Party,
Isle of Wight, Northampton, Southampton, Suffolk, and Virginia Beach Democratic Committees.
And they put out a statement, the Democratic Committees of
Virginia Second Congressional District reaffirm they are full support of
Jay Jones for Attorney General. We are lined up ten
toes down, ready to organize, mobilize, and deliver, voterize. They
didn't say that part, but it just seemed to fit
anyway for Jay and the entire Democrat ticket hashtag teno's
down for Jones, Like that's apparently, like that's just a
stupid hashtag. And then they have another hashtag here It
says my yard ocus that's the opponent, the Republican incumbent,
Maaris Myrs. Not our cup of tea. That's another hashtag,
Mars not our cup of tea, which is also a
stupid hashtag. Recent press may have spotlighted past mistakes. We
say that those without sin cast the first stone, which
again the follow up corollary there is, and go sin
no more. That's the other thing, go sin no more,
which is to recognize the sin. So Jay Jones has
taken responsibility, apologized and shown he is committed to serving
with integrity and accountability that his public record already shows. Okay,
let's talk a little bit about that public record, shall we.
This is to do Fox News. Virginia's Democratic Attorney General
nominee dodged possible jail time for driving one hundred and
sixteen miles an hour. Yeah, on the interstate going one sixteen.
And he dodged the jail time by logging one thousand
hours of community service. That's a lot. Where did he
do this community service? Well, he split it up in half.
He did five hundred hours a piece at the local
NAACP and with his own political action committee. Yes, the
document show former Delegate Jay Jones was caught driving one
sixteen on I sixty four in New Kent, Virginia, about
halfway between Richmond and Newport News, typically resulting in up
to a one year prison sentence. Jones received several deferments
of his court date for various reasons before he judge
finally agreed to accept one thousand hours completed of community
service instead of a tougher punishment. In January twenty twenty four,
his political action committee, which is called Meet Our Moment
or MOM for short, which says it recruits and trains
minority Democrat candidates to run for Virginia offices, and the
Virginia Chapter of the NAACP both said Jones completed five
hundred hours of service each. The letters from MOM is
signed by Leslie Schinbaum Stewart, who identified herself as executive
director of MOM. News reports have also described her as
Jones's unofficial chief of staff. As recently as twenty twenty one,
records shared with Fox News Digital showed Jones's campaign had
paid her consulting firm more than one hundred grand over
the course of about four years, and that a few
days after the letter was filed, Jones made an additional
six thousand dollars payment to her. Virginia law states that
court ordered community service has to include unpaid work for
a nonprofit or government agency, which raises the question as
to whether or not mom's registration as a political action
committee satisfied that requirement. I'm no lawyer, but I would
say no, it does not. It would not. The NAACP
provided documents to the court, but it shows no timesheets
which would verify the five hundred hours of service. Nobody,
either of them actually provided any kind of time sheets.
New Kent Commonwealth's Attorney Scott Rennick, said many defendants convicted
of traffic and other the minor offenses were steered towards
community service instead of jail time because this was the
COVID era and everybody's going to die if they're in
the jail. Also, it's up to the defendant's attorney to
verify the hours filed with the court as community service.
His thousand hours would also add up to nearly twenty
hours a week over a year, which is kind of
odd because he was so very, very busy, busy busy
because he had taken the gig as a deputy US
attorney in with the Justice Department during the Biden administration. Yeah,
so he was taking the new job very very busy,
had to get court to ferments and such because he
was oh so busy for some of them, while working
for the Biden administration, he was somehow able to crank
out twenty hours of additional work per week for free,
even though there are no time sheets proving that he
actually did any of the community's service work. But he
totally did it, you can trust him. And they signed
those letters. Oh and then he paid one of them
for the work that she was doing. Obviously it has
nothing to do with, you know, trying to make this
thing go away. His chief of staff running an operation
that totally used his community service five hundred hours for
legitimate purposes, even though that's a political action committee and
probably not actually allowed to offer commune unity service for
that sort of thing because it's not a nonprofit. But
nothing to see here, people, Look, the Democrat committees of
his districts stand behind him, stand with him, ten toes down,
and all of that, and he is standing on his record,
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dot com. I got a message on Twitter from Jason
who says, yo, dude. Jay Jones apologized, I mean, isn't
that enough? Hey, I'm sorry for wanting to kill my opponents.
I mean it's for democracy. Yeah, that's essentially what he
was saying. It is like, you know, it's just this
war and that is sob Johnson. That's the excuse that
we keep hearing from these Democrats because everything has been catastrophised.
There is no limiting principle, and they won't even now
call on this guy to step aside because they can't
because the lust for power is too great. All right,
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