Speaker 1: Well this lame.
Speaker 2: Kelly six Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and YouTube.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about Candace Nicholas Lippman. She's an actress,
Speaker 2: spoken word artist, and arts educator with a passion for
Speaker 2: using her god given talents to uplift others. You may
Speaker 2: know her from her time as Jasmine on the show
Speaker 2: Blind Spotting. Candas Nicholas Lipman's solo play, A Rose called Candace,
Speaker 2: is an epic, moving, inspiring, cinematic ode to survival, grace,
Speaker 2: and exhilarating ambition. Candas is a shiny exemplar of how
Speaker 2: living as an artist, in spite of what the universe
Speaker 2: throws at you, or perhaps because of it, is truly
Speaker 2: a road to freedom. As the review goes, a Rose
Speaker 2: called Candace is a templess for any one of us
Speaker 2: to use in our own lives. She has created an
Speaker 2: ethos for artists to follow, and she joins us now
Speaker 2: back here on later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 3: And there's a there is.
Speaker 2: A wrinkle to this because when you came in i'll
Speaker 2: say last year or so and told us about this
Speaker 2: one woman's show, you were doing everything. When I say
Speaker 2: it's a one woman show, I mean you were hanging
Speaker 2: the lights here, you were doing everything. Part of the
Speaker 2: reason why we brought you back is the show has grown.
Speaker 2: It's going to be running from June twenty first to
Speaker 2: the twenty ninth at the Los Angeles Theater Center. Have
Speaker 2: that right, yes, which is five fourteen Spring Street. But
Speaker 2: one of your producers is Academy Award winner Viola Davis. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's not bad news. You have to tell me the
Speaker 2: story of and it wasn't it by chance? You just
Speaker 2: happened to run into Viola Davis. Now, let me tell
Speaker 2: you this. I happened to run into Viola Davis at
Speaker 2: the Whole Foods across the street from the studio.
Speaker 3: It didn't go as well for me.
Speaker 2: How is it when you run into Viola Davis you
Speaker 2: ended up working with her?
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, this is a little bit of a long story,
Speaker 1: so I'll just give the cliff notes version. A couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, we were both in text for South
Speaker 1: by Southwest promoting our individual projects. Long, long story short,
Speaker 1: we just happened to be staying at the same hotel.
Speaker 1: We just happened to be in the Jacuzie at the
Speaker 1: same time. Meet her and her husband, and we just
Speaker 1: started talking about everything from like faith to what's going
Speaker 1: on in the world, to art and all the things,
Speaker 1: and we just kind of connected organically. And as you know,
Speaker 1: mister Kelly, I'm very transparent about, you know, things in.
Speaker 4: My life and what's going on.
Speaker 1: And then it was just you know, it's been really
Speaker 1: really hard and seven so we were just talking about
Speaker 1: all the things, and then that's how we kind of connected.
Speaker 1: Mister Julius and miss Yola were like, Hey, when we're
Speaker 1: back in La, connect with us. Here's our assistance information.
Speaker 1: And then from there, yeah.
Speaker 2: You say that, you know, we all have our story, yes,
Speaker 2: and sometimes people only know us by our glory. You've
Speaker 2: worked in Hollywood for quite some time, you have had success,
Speaker 2: been on grades of Dat Toy, of course blind spotty.
Speaker 2: But people think, oh, it's easy after that, and that
Speaker 2: couldn't be further from the truth.
Speaker 4: Is it so far from the truth?
Speaker 1: And I think that is the thing that's really really
Speaker 1: powerful in terms of what I believe my purpose and
Speaker 1: assignment is. I believe my vulnerability is my superpower. And
Speaker 1: I just recently did an interview with KKW News and
Speaker 1: something that I quoted on there was. You know, we
Speaker 1: do live in a world right now, specifically with social
Speaker 1: media and everyone trying to put on this sort of facade.
Speaker 1: I guess if you will, yeah, you know, but people,
Speaker 1: I feel really really described to this whole mantra of like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you fake it till you make it, fake
Speaker 1: it till you make it. And I don't really subscribe
Speaker 1: to that. I really believe in faith it till you
Speaker 1: make it, because if you're faking anything and then you're
Speaker 1: not being authentic, how can you really be used by God?
Speaker 4: How can you really touch somebody?
Speaker 1: How can you really make a difference if you're not
Speaker 1: authentically being yourself? And so I am on this journey
Speaker 1: of freedom, which is a big theme in my show.
Speaker 1: It's because I want to release all of the things
Speaker 1: of like what my childhood has instilled in me, in
Speaker 1: terms of the people pleasing, the lack of boundaries, the
Speaker 1: caring what other people think about you, you know, like
Speaker 1: I am me, I am Joe, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: in this season of where I'm really like, I want
Speaker 1: to release all of that other stuff, including feeling shame
Speaker 1: or guilt about things that I may experience, I e.
Speaker 4: Like a strike happening, like what happens when you're in
Speaker 4: your dream and then.
Speaker 1: The strike happens and those shows get canceled. Now what happens?
Speaker 1: What does that really look like? Do you just give up?
Speaker 1: Or is it like, oh no, I got to put
Speaker 1: one pants leg back on at a time, get back
Speaker 1: up by faith and just keep going. And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm showing you this in my show.
Speaker 2: We have talked to you about this show, probably in
Speaker 2: a different iteration before, yes, and then you have a
Speaker 2: different producer, different eyes on a different viewing of it.
Speaker 2: They they see it slightly different. How has this show changed,
Speaker 2: improved or grown with the addition of not only Viola
Speaker 2: Davis but her husband, Well, it has grown.
Speaker 1: For one, of course, having their support is a big deal, right,
Speaker 1: so I'm very very grateful for that in the sense
Speaker 1: of how it has changed or how it has grown.
Speaker 1: I really have to say that is my choice in
Speaker 1: deciding to bring in a co director. I haven't had
Speaker 1: a director since like twenty nineteen. I've just kind of
Speaker 1: been doing it just me and got you know, from
Speaker 1: all the listen Jesus so from all the friends in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles to me taking it to off Broadway, Like
Speaker 1: all of that was just by myself, by faith, right,
Speaker 1: and so now having someone coming on and producing it
Speaker 1: where that kind of part of it is a little
Speaker 1: bit oliviate, you know, taken away in terms of the
Speaker 1: stress of that, I decided to bring in a co director.
Speaker 1: And after weeks and weeks of researching various directors, because
Speaker 1: I'm really really big on who I bring with me
Speaker 1: along this journey, because it is a journey and I
Speaker 1: know all that it takes to put up my show,
Speaker 1: I decided to bring.
Speaker 4: On the amazing Bernadette Speaks.
Speaker 1: Yes, you may know her from Love Jones, from All
Speaker 1: American And I just think I could not have been
Speaker 1: more grateful for God to have partnered us together, because
Speaker 1: she is stretching me in ways that I did not
Speaker 1: know that I still needed to be stretched. She is
Speaker 1: challenging me in ways because the thing is, I did
Speaker 1: my show all the way back in twenty eighteen. But
Speaker 1: I'm not the same person I was in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: I'm not even the same person I was last year
Speaker 1: when I did this show, hopefully or not right, And
Speaker 1: so my as my story is evolving, so am I
Speaker 1: And so when I am constantly evolving, as we all are.
Speaker 1: Hopefully as artists, our art should reflect that evolution.
Speaker 2: I always wonder, though, and I asked you some form
Speaker 2: of this question the last time we spoke, and maybe
Speaker 2: the answer is the same or it's somewhat different now.
Speaker 2: I wonder how you manage to tell some of these
Speaker 2: same stories, relive some of the same pain, and not
Speaker 2: either become numb or find yourself falling back into that
Speaker 2: pit of pain.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, This is also another reason why I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: that I have a co director, because a lot of
Speaker 1: the trauma or whatever it is that I'm sharing on
Speaker 1: stage from part of my life story is either trauma
Speaker 1: that I am still currently actively working through, like in
Speaker 1: therapy or whatever, or it may be something that I
Speaker 1: am reliving currently right now in my present day. So again,
Speaker 1: my vulnerability is my superpower, and I think within that
Speaker 1: transparency that's the thing that really touches people's souls, because
Speaker 1: it's like, here I am bearing my soul on this
Speaker 1: stage unapologetically in hopes and hopes that I can impact,
Speaker 1: inspire and courage one person in the audience that my
Speaker 1: bravery and my courage and my understanding that our stories
Speaker 1: are our trials or tribulations of what we go through
Speaker 1: is not just for us. It is literally meant to
Speaker 1: help to save to someone else. And so because I
Speaker 1: talked about this too in another interview that because within
Speaker 1: the African American community specifically, we are always brought up
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, what happens in this house days?
Speaker 1: And it's not you bet not going against the grain.
Speaker 4: You bet not. I promise you.
Speaker 1: We cannot break generational curses that way, we cannot heal
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 4: And because I.
Speaker 1: Am so much joy right, I literally am an illustration
Speaker 1: of not looking like what I've been through, and I
Speaker 1: think that is powerful too. And so if I can
Speaker 1: show people that resilience and how no matter what, I
Speaker 1: still can continue to get up, then you could get
Speaker 1: up too.
Speaker 2: We're talking about a rosecalled Candace with idi am. I
Speaker 2: am amazed Candace Nicholas Lipmann because each time we talk,
Speaker 2: you have a renewed sense of self and energy which
Speaker 2: confounds me. And then I hear your person of faith like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, that expats that, you know, yeah very quickly?
Speaker 2: How can people find the show and get their tickets
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 4: Yes, right now?
Speaker 1: You can go to the Robitheatercompany dot org. Robitheatrecompany dot org.
Speaker 1: They are also a producer on this show.
Speaker 3: That's r O b e y Yes.
Speaker 1: R O b e y Theatercompany dot org. You can
Speaker 1: also head to my website a rosecall Candace dot com
Speaker 1: for more information and it will be We have our
Speaker 1: first preview this Friday, hold June twentieth, and then the
Speaker 1: official opening is June twenty first, and we run through
Speaker 1: the twenty ninth.
Speaker 2: Just got to let people know it's the Robitheatercompany dot org.
Speaker 2: That's r O b e y t e e A
Speaker 2: t r E Company dot org. We're gonna make sure
Speaker 2: that you get there. Will help more with boy I
Speaker 2: tell you Candace Nicholas Flipman because I tried not to
Speaker 2: get too caught up in the conversation, you know, but
Speaker 2: when the spirit starts moving, as they say, you know
Speaker 2: more in just a moment. It's Lady with mo Kelly
Speaker 2: caf I AM six forty. We live everywhere in the
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Speaker 5: You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3: I AM six forty.
Speaker 2: Yes Later with Mo Kelly We're live on YouTube and
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app, and you're just tuning in. My guest
Speaker 2: in studio is Candace Nicholas Lipman. You know her as
Speaker 2: an actress, probably from Blind Spotting as Jasmine and her
Speaker 2: solo play Now I'm sorry to now, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 2: hate when I get things wrong with that. I am
Speaker 2: so sorry.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: But we're here for your solo one woman play, a
Speaker 2: rose called Candace, and it is debuting on the twenty first,
Speaker 2: and it's running through the twenty ninth at the Roby
Speaker 2: Theater excuse me, at the Los Angeles Theater, which is
Speaker 2: five to one four Spring Street in LA. And from
Speaker 2: what I hear, you got two people in the studio
Speaker 2: who will be there as well.
Speaker 3: You see, it.
Speaker 1: Should be foult mister Kelly, look.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough toala. You got my schedule.
Speaker 2: I think we could do Saturday and twenty first. As
Speaker 2: we talk about this, I suspect you're drained after every performance.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I'm again transparency.
Speaker 1: I'm drained right now, like I am exhausted, like literally
Speaker 1: even all day today. Although I do have producers on show,
Speaker 1: I am still a producer of my show and I
Speaker 1: will make sure that my show is successful in the
Speaker 1: name of Jesus. And so I'm still behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: very much so, going all over Los Angeles networking with people,
Speaker 1: passing out flyers, doing all the things, booking my own
Speaker 1: press things, you know, like doing whatever I can to
Speaker 1: make sure that you know, by God's grace, that we
Speaker 1: get people in the seats and whoever is meant to
Speaker 1: be there will be there.
Speaker 2: You and I were having a very candid conversation off
Speaker 2: air talking about the realities of entertainment. Let me put
Speaker 2: it that way, where with each success, there is someone saying.
Speaker 3: You're a failure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, each.
Speaker 2: Step of the way, someone is saying you can't do this,
Speaker 2: or you're not good enough, or they don't recognize the
Speaker 2: path that you're on.
Speaker 3: How do you deal with it? I know how I
Speaker 3: deal with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the way that I look at it.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 4: You know how sometimes people.
Speaker 1: Have been saying, well, like if you don't got no haters,
Speaker 1: then that means you're not doing you know kind of
Speaker 1: thing and not trying to say that these people are haters.
Speaker 1: But when people are trying to speak okay, but like
Speaker 1: when people do try to feed me with all that negativity. Again,
Speaker 1: everything is perspective, and I have to do the work
Speaker 1: constantly to be like, No, I know who I am,
Speaker 1: I know who God is, and I know what God.
Speaker 4: Said and what he has ordained for my life.
Speaker 1: So regardless of what you're saying, I can listen to
Speaker 1: what you say, but I don't have to receive it,
Speaker 1: and I'll have the positive in my spirit.
Speaker 4: I rebuke it.
Speaker 2: Take me inside a rose called Candice. How is it
Speaker 2: broken up? Is it broken up? Let's say in the
Speaker 2: thirds where you're a child for a portion, maybe an
Speaker 2: adolescent than an adult.
Speaker 3: How does it proceed?
Speaker 1: Yes, So it's sixty minutes exactly, no intermission, and basically
Speaker 1: the show is done like in three acts. However, it's
Speaker 1: literally like as people have described it in emotional rollercoaster ride,
Speaker 1: like I literally take you through a lot.
Speaker 4: In sixty minutes.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, so like Act one, we're really digging
Speaker 1: into me in my childhood. Act two is kind of
Speaker 1: like high school, more of the growth high school college.
Speaker 1: And then Act three is here being in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and what that experience has been like.
Speaker 2: So do you find that Well, I'm pretty sure audiences
Speaker 2: react differently on different nights of different parts. Do you
Speaker 2: find people responding more to when you're an adolescent or
Speaker 2: maybe in college or I'm quite sure it hits people differently.
Speaker 1: Yes, because it hits people differently, and the different responses
Speaker 1: that I've gotten from people.
Speaker 4: This is also how I know that this is purpose.
Speaker 1: Because when I'm just a black girl from the hood
Speaker 1: of Sacramento that's.
Speaker 4: Out here trying to achieve her dream, okay.
Speaker 1: And the fact that me, someone like me, my story
Speaker 1: can reach someone of different faith backgrounds, of different ethnic groups,
Speaker 1: of different age demographics. How that's nothing but God that
Speaker 1: my story can reach all these different people. And I
Speaker 1: really have to say, that's kind of kudos to my pastor,
Speaker 1: doctor Hoaiah Collins, because it was him back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: I was homeless, living in my car when I started
Speaker 1: writing this story.
Speaker 2: Run too fast past that, slow down so people can
Speaker 2: hear it and understand not only where you're going but
Speaker 2: where you've come from. Yeah, thank you almost living in
Speaker 2: your car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so interesting you said that, because
Speaker 1: that's one of my notes that my co directors. She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to speak like handa is
Speaker 1: let us be there with you.
Speaker 3: Yes, let us twell in the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yes. It was twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: I was living in my car, homeless, and I remember
Speaker 1: having a counseling session with my pastor and I remember
Speaker 1: kind of just talking to him like about my life
Speaker 1: little bit. And he's the one who say He was like,
Speaker 1: baby girl, you have a powerful story, he said, And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 4: Your story is not unique.
Speaker 1: But it's because it's not unique is the reason why
Speaker 1: you need to share it. And that shifted everything for
Speaker 1: me where I was like, oh, again, our testimony is
Speaker 1: not just for us.
Speaker 4: It is meant to be for other people.
Speaker 1: And so with that, I just was like okay, God,
Speaker 1: And I just was writing, writing and writing, and then
Speaker 1: I debuted it in twenty eighteen and then just kept
Speaker 1: on with it from there. But the response I got
Speaker 1: in twenty that really SOLIDI for that confirm where I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, wow, okay, so cause I'm terrified.
Speaker 4: It is terrifying.
Speaker 1: I am literally sharing things that people put in their journals.
Speaker 4: Do you understand, like this is.
Speaker 1: Things that I'm sharing out But again, because it is
Speaker 1: bigger than me, I have to remove myself and understand
Speaker 1: that Kennis is bigger than you.
Speaker 4: You have more of a calling, you know, Kenn's.
Speaker 2: I always wonder, yes, women are going to get something
Speaker 2: out of this. Women made more readily identify with the
Speaker 2: different parts of your story.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure men get something.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely if you go back. And I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: for those who leave reviews and stuff. Thank y'all so
Speaker 1: so much, because not only, of course, is it letting
Speaker 1: other people know what your experience was to see in
Speaker 1: the show, but it also reminds me too on days
Speaker 1: that I may have where I'm doubting myself or feeling
Speaker 1: low or hearing all that negativity.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, why am I doing this?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And then I go back and I look at I'm like, Okay, God,
Speaker 1: I'm making a difference. God is having impact the men.
Speaker 1: If y'all go read the reviews the men their reviews, Wow.
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because we do different things, but we respond similarly.
Speaker 2: What I mean by that is when you're performing, and
Speaker 2: this is kind of a performance art at radio, we
Speaker 2: may not get the immediate response and reaction from people,
Speaker 2: but when we do hear from someone, it renews us
Speaker 2: because we sometimes forget we're touching people in ways that
Speaker 2: we don't.
Speaker 3: Know in the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a rehearsal that Bernadette and I had
Speaker 1: and it was on a really hard part of my
Speaker 1: story that I was sharing, and I just broke down
Speaker 1: in the middle of rehearsal and I literally yelled out
Speaker 1: to her, why am.
Speaker 4: I doing this again?
Speaker 1: Because yes, because I'm like, why am I putting myself
Speaker 1: out here again for people?
Speaker 4: Why am I doing this?
Speaker 5: God?
Speaker 1: Like, what is the purpose of Like, So, even within
Speaker 1: the process and me still being very clear of.
Speaker 4: My assignment, I'm still human.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: This is not easy, and y'all will see when you
Speaker 1: come see the show, It's not easy what I'm.
Speaker 4: Doing at all.
Speaker 2: Candace Nicholas Slippman, I'm out of time with you at
Speaker 2: this point, but I want to make sure that you
Speaker 2: know that we support you and make.
Speaker 3: Sure that people know how to get there.
Speaker 2: Yes, tell people the when, the where, the how, all
Speaker 2: the specifics.
Speaker 1: Please Yes, So again, y'all, my name is Candace Nicholas Flipman.
Speaker 4: That's Candace c. A. N. D Ace. Oh wait, I
Speaker 4: forgot we online now y'all can see my name.
Speaker 3: Right here break. It's a YouTube show.
Speaker 4: What's up you too?
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you go you typed in my name
Speaker 1: Candace Nicholas Lippman, you can find me on all the platforms.
Speaker 1: I don't have a stage name. That is my name, amen.
Speaker 1: And then for tickets, you can go to a rose
Speaker 1: called Candace dot com, which is spelled the same way
Speaker 1: as my name there, or you can also go to
Speaker 1: the Robitheater coompany dot.
Speaker 2: Org and that's r O b e y Theater t
Speaker 2: h e A t r e dot org. Because some
Speaker 2: of y'all can't spell the way you eat.
Speaker 3: You a theater. It's not like boovie theater. It's like
Speaker 3: play right the r E.
Speaker 1: Yes, you guys, come, come, come. It is more than entertainment.
Speaker 1: This show is ministry. I promise you, based on what
Speaker 1: all throughout the years that other people have said, you
Speaker 1: will not leave the theater the same way you came in.
Speaker 4: I'm very grateful to the Roby.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to mister Julius and miss Viola for
Speaker 1: giving me this opportunity to share my story again and again.
Speaker 1: This is probably the final run in Los Angeles. So
Speaker 1: if you've never seen my show, come and even if
Speaker 1: you have seen it, you have not seen it this
Speaker 1: way before.
Speaker 4: So come, come, come.
Speaker 2: All I got to say is I appreciate when someone
Speaker 2: like the statue of Viola Davis sees potential and talent
Speaker 2: in you and then takes it upon themselves to help
Speaker 2: you reach another level.
Speaker 3: We should do more than just helping an assisting.
Speaker 5: One or another.
Speaker 1: Amen. And then also, y'all, when you you know how
Speaker 1: they say like manifesting or speaking things too. So it
Speaker 1: is one thing about like how we kind of met.
Speaker 4: But also if you go.
Speaker 1: Back through my Twitter feeds, if my friends can attest
Speaker 1: to this, I have been manifesting or professing like one
Speaker 1: day I'm gonna work with miss Viola one day.
Speaker 4: One now in my mind, I'm thinking like on the
Speaker 4: movie set, please Jesus still one day.
Speaker 1: But the fact that this is why you tell God
Speaker 1: your plans he laughs, Because the fact that it's happening
Speaker 1: this way with something that I created is amazing.
Speaker 4: And so I'm just so grateful.
Speaker 3: Let me just say this, see you soon. Ay it's
Speaker 3: later with Mokelly.
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Speaker 3: Like you say, well, why would I want to subscribe?
Speaker 2: Well, it makes it easier to find because when it's
Speaker 2: a part of your subscriptions, it just pops up whenever
Speaker 2: we have a live show, and it makes it easier
Speaker 2: to find because what we're hear in the chat or
Speaker 2: people say oftentimes is hey, I can't find it. I
Speaker 2: found it, but I had to search all over. I
Speaker 2: found old videos about know where the live one was.
Speaker 2: That's the easy way to get around that. And also
Speaker 2: it's a good time. You get to hang out in
Speaker 2: Motown with the momigos and talk about anything and everything.
Speaker 2: It's a community unto itself. They talk about all sorts
Speaker 2: of stuff. Sometimes it has to do with the show.
Speaker 2: Sometimes most of the time, much of the time it
Speaker 2: doesn't have anything to do with the show, but they
Speaker 2: have a good time there.
Speaker 3: So we would want you to be a part of that.
Speaker 2: Something I talked about last week, and I didn't have
Speaker 2: a chance to talk about with Jackie Ray tonight the
Speaker 2: Dodgers show.
Speaker 3: Hail Tani was pitching tonight.
Speaker 2: That's important because he had was not pitching due to
Speaker 2: arm surgery last year, so this was the first time
Speaker 2: he had the opportunity to pitch. He only threw twenty
Speaker 2: eight pitches. It was not supposed to be a long outing.
Speaker 2: He started the game, he threw twenty eight pitches, gave
Speaker 2: up a run the last I saw. I think the
Speaker 2: Dodgers were winning six to three. I think they're in
Speaker 2: the bottom of the seventh. But the point is there
Speaker 2: are a lot of eyes on the Dodgers and the
Speaker 2: Dodger organization right now. I spoke last week about why
Speaker 2: the Dodgers as an organization have had nothing to say
Speaker 2: about the recent events here in Los Angeles, nothing to
Speaker 2: say about the ice raids, nothing to say in support
Speaker 2: of the community, because if you know anything about the
Speaker 2: history of the Dodgers, they have walked arm in arm
Speaker 2: with the Latino community for the better part of thirty years.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: It's a huge portion of the base and there have
Speaker 2: been rumors floating around on social media that the Dodgers
Speaker 2: organization is working with ICE. I haven't seen any evidence
Speaker 2: to support that, but you know, it's on social media,
Speaker 2: so people start believing it, and you kept sending it
Speaker 2: to me. The rumor, the conspiracy theory went something like this,
Speaker 2: where they were using Dodger Stadium parking lot as a
Speaker 2: staging area for a lot of what they were doing.
Speaker 2: I have not seen any evidence of that, but it
Speaker 2: would be another opportunity for the Dodgers' organization to at
Speaker 2: least make some public statement to either confirm or deny.
Speaker 2: Given that the history of the Dodgers organization has been
Speaker 2: one which was never fearful of speaking out on any issue,
Speaker 2: and they have usually, i should say historically been at
Speaker 2: the front on many social issues. If you look at
Speaker 2: their calendar, they have a Pride Night, they just had
Speaker 2: that on Friday. They have a Mexican American Heritage Night,
Speaker 2: they have I think Filipino Heritage Night. They have a
Speaker 2: number of nights which speak to the diversity of the
Speaker 2: fan base, but also how they value that. Given what
Speaker 2: is happening in Los Angeles, I believe that it is
Speaker 2: not in their best interests to say nothing.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know, double negative.
Speaker 2: I believe the Dodgers should say something for the benefit
Speaker 2: of their fans who have supported them for decades.
Speaker 3: And if you've ever.
Speaker 2: Been to a Dodgers game in recent years, there is
Speaker 2: a huge Latino contingent. Huge Historically, the Dodgers have embraced that,
Speaker 2: and they've acknowledged that. They've had like Los Doyers Night,
Speaker 2: so it's something they put on uniforms. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if they can continue in that direction, celebrating Latino
Speaker 2: heritage or Mexican heritage.
Speaker 3: And then also ignore the moment. You can't have it
Speaker 3: both ways.
Speaker 2: Now, they got a little dirt on them, as they say,
Speaker 2: because they went to the White House. There were some
Speaker 2: within the Dodger fan base who said, hey, you should
Speaker 2: not go to the White House and shake Donald Trump's hand.
Speaker 2: I'm ambivalent on that, but it will take me an
Speaker 2: hour to get all my thoughts out on that. But
Speaker 2: I know that the organization received some criticism for it,
Speaker 2: and when you put that in the larger discussion of
Speaker 2: what the Dodger's organization is going to be in moments
Speaker 2: like these, you can't separate it. And thank you for
Speaker 2: Daniel putting that up on the YouTube show. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't be outspoken just every now and then. You
Speaker 2: can't be community supportive every now and then, because the community,
Speaker 2: given what we saw as far as the protests here
Speaker 2: and in LA they were very vocal, they were voluminous
Speaker 2: as in everywhere, and clearly it's a huge issue for
Speaker 2: the Latino community here in Los Angeles and the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: If you're not going to be arm in arm with
Speaker 2: the Latino community, I don't know if you will still
Speaker 2: enjoy the same level of support from the Latino community
Speaker 2: going forward. It's almost like you know your friends by
Speaker 2: who's around.
Speaker 3: When you need them the most.
Speaker 2: And if the Dodgers' organization is not going to be
Speaker 2: there when the Latino community arguably needs them the most,
Speaker 2: then people will start reassessing that friendship, that relationship all together.
Speaker 2: But I did want to touch on that because a
Speaker 2: number of people have sent me in Facebook and Instagram
Speaker 2: and threads different rumors and thoughts about the Dodgers organization,
Speaker 2: and I talk about it from the standpoint of being
Speaker 2: a lifelong Dodgers fan.
Speaker 3: I love the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: I have no ill will towards the organization, but I
Speaker 2: do know that they cannot miss this moment, and if
Speaker 2: they choose to miss this moment, saying nothing, for many
Speaker 2: people is saying everything.
Speaker 3: It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 2: In fact, my final thought tonight is going to be
Speaker 2: about protests, and I wanted that as kind of a
Speaker 2: lead in, so it sets up where my head is at,
Speaker 2: so you'll know where I'm coming from. It's not just
Speaker 2: about the protests here in Los Angeles. It's about America
Speaker 2: and why protests have always been necessary to making this
Speaker 2: country great.
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Speaker 2: with George Nori and I always look forward to speaking
Speaker 2: to him. George, how is your weekend?
Speaker 6: Great weekend? How is your Father's day?
Speaker 4: Everything go well, Nothing bad happened.
Speaker 2: I had a little sip of whiskey, special time with
Speaker 2: my wife.
Speaker 3: Not a bad day at all. Good.
Speaker 6: My kids were in Saint Louis, but they all checked in.
Speaker 3: All right, that's good.
Speaker 6: Tonight on the show, we're going to talk about the
Speaker 6: legality of protests, fascinating a couple hours. And then later
Speaker 6: on Expedition Unknown, we're going to discovery hunting across the world.
Speaker 3: George.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you're going to be speaking on the
Speaker 2: legality of protests, because my final thought tonight has to
Speaker 2: do with the history of protests.
Speaker 6: Interesting.
Speaker 2: So I'll be tuning in me too. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon, Okay. And as I said,
Speaker 2: this is my final thought. America is such a fickle place.
Speaker 2: It is a place founded on protest, In fact, founded
Speaker 2: on a violent protest. Truth be told, Boston Tea Party,
Speaker 2: American Revolution, War of eighteen twelve.
Speaker 3: Civil War, YadA, YadA, YadA, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: All were varying levels of violent protests, and every major
Speaker 2: move forward in this country's did to form a more
Speaker 2: perfect union has been thanks to say it with me protest,
Speaker 2: and in every single instance, the status quo at the
Speaker 2: time resisted it every single time.
Speaker 3: Here are just a few examples.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to you on a Monday after a weekend
Speaker 2: in which we did what we wanted, including protests, celebrated
Speaker 2: Father's Day, went to the movies. Whatever the modern concept
Speaker 2: of the weekend Saturday and Sunday off primarily arose from
Speaker 2: the Industrial Revolution in the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries
Speaker 2: early twentieth centuries. Initially, factory of workers, many of whom
Speaker 2: were former farmers, disliked the whole idea of a seven
Speaker 2: day work week. When the nineteen twenty nine stock market
Speaker 2: crash crippled the world economy, the resulting Great Depression led
Speaker 2: to mass strikes in response to rising unemployment and poverty,
Speaker 2: among other things. Strikes, of course, are protests by another name.
Speaker 2: Long story short. President FDR signed the Fair Labor Standards
Speaker 2: Act into law in nineteen thirty eight. Imagine that protests
Speaker 2: women all around the country mostly either voted for Donald
Speaker 2: Trump or Kamala Harris in twenty twenty four. But the
Speaker 2: women's suffrage movement included peaceful protests, lobbying, civil disobedience, and
Speaker 2: it took decades of agitation, in other words, protests to
Speaker 2: get the Nineteenth Amendment to the US Constitution in nineteen twenty.
Speaker 2: Women's suffrage was a wildly unpopular movement. In the beginning,
Speaker 2: women voting America was not having it. But here we
Speaker 2: are today. Protests and the status quo resisted. It was
Speaker 2: uncomfortable for the country. But when it's uncomfortable, it means
Speaker 2: the Constitution is doing its job. The modern civil rights movement,
Speaker 2: you've heard me reference it many times, lots of marches, protests,
Speaker 2: civil disobedience, even riots, the height of constitutional discomfort in America.
Speaker 2: I would argue the status quo resisted every step of
Speaker 2: the way. Most people don't know the Civil rights and
Speaker 2: ending segregation was not supported by the majority of Americans.
Speaker 2: When the Civil Rights Act was passed in nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 2: most people were not down with that cause.
Speaker 3: You should sense a theme here.
Speaker 2: Protests have never been popular, never, because if they were,
Speaker 2: we would need them in the first place. Just about
Speaker 2: everything we called normal today was wildly unpopular yesterday.
Speaker 3: The people who are not protesting are.
Speaker 2: Never appreciative of those who protest or their methods.
Speaker 3: That's just a fact in every instance. The mass protest against.
Speaker 2: The Vietnam War didn't end the war, but it surely
Speaker 2: shaped American foreign policy. The more unpopular the war became,
Speaker 2: the more prevalent the protests became, the more it hastened
Speaker 2: our withdrawal at the end. Maybe you're old enough, remember
Speaker 2: how uncomfortable it was in America during the late nineteen
Speaker 2: sixties and early nineteen seventies. Let me keep going. The
Speaker 2: gay rights movement another great example. Pride Month, as in
Speaker 2: like right now and how far We've come, does not
Speaker 2: happen without the protests, the riots and backlash to the
Speaker 2: police raids of gay bars, and the denial of service
Speaker 2: to openly gay people. The fifty sixth anniversary of the
Speaker 2: Stonewall Riots is just days away. Protests and American discomfort
Speaker 2: have historically gone hand in hand. Twenty twenty five no different.
Speaker 2: It's a continuation of what I would call an American tradition.
Speaker 2: Now that's not just to say that because you protest,
Speaker 2: you'll eventually succeed, or that every issue is worthy of support.
Speaker 3: Not at all.
Speaker 2: I am saying, though, that protest is what makes America America.
Speaker 2: It's affirmation that the Constitution is doing its job. And
Speaker 2: that's assuming that the three branches of our government all
Speaker 2: do their jobs. Otherwise the Constitution means nothing. Everybody's got
Speaker 2: to pull their own weight. And I say all this
Speaker 2: to say against the backdrop of what we were all
Speaker 2: watching and seeing and experiencing over the weekend protest is
Speaker 2: never bad for America or a sign that were on
Speaker 2: our way to Hell in a handbasket. It says to
Speaker 2: me that America and Americans remember where they came from,
Speaker 2: and the country is continuously evolving relative to the issues
Speaker 2: of the day. The people originally denied human rights now
Speaker 2: have human rights in this country. The people who were
Speaker 2: once denied citizenship now have citizenship. The people who could
Speaker 2: not vote can now vote. The people who could not
Speaker 2: own land or buy property in any neighborhood as other
Speaker 2: Americans now can. The people who could not marry whoever
Speaker 2: they wanted can now marry whoever they want.
Speaker 3: And it's been a process.
Speaker 2: Don't act like America does and have further room for
Speaker 2: improvement or where somehow we've arrived, because that's not true.
Speaker 3: Women now really pay attention to this.
Speaker 2: Women only gained the right to open a checking account
Speaker 2: without their husband's permission in nineteen seventy four. That's within
Speaker 2: my lifetime. I remember nineteen seventy four. The Godfather Too,
Speaker 2: Part two came out in nineteen seventy four. Hold on
Speaker 2: to your butts on this one. Mississippi didn't ratify the
Speaker 2: thirteenth Amendment, which abolished slavery until twenty thirteen. Twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: that was during Obama's second term. So oh, yes, protest
Speaker 2: still has a role in twenty twenty five, and yes
Speaker 2: it will be uncomfortable, just as the Constitution promises. Because
Speaker 2: of you know that First Amendment. This country was never
Speaker 2: great without protest, only thanks to it. For k IF,
Speaker 2: I AM six forty, I'm mo Kelly
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