1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:08,839 Speaker 1: Understand the thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol, 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,000 an idea. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,519 Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through the. 4 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:19,039 Speaker 1: Rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If I 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,160 tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not because. 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 3: I put my hand on a book and made a wish. 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,839 Speaker 1: And working together for a more rational world. 8 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:32,039 Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness. 9 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:34,719 Truth Usian wisdom will come to you that way. 10 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:56,000 Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews. 12 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Hard to believe it's almost the month of June. Time flies. 13 00:01:01,119 --> 00:01:04,959 I find that time travels faster as I get older. 14 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,599 Remember back when we were kids and we wanted to 15 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,480 do something, or we were waiting for the day we 16 00:01:12,519 --> 00:01:15,480 get our allowance, or there was a special event on 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,120 the horizon or whatever, and we were like, can we 18 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:22,079 can we can we? And mom and dad would say, well, 19 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:27,680 we can do it next weekend, which seemed like an eternity. 20 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:31,920 Oh my god, it's five days. I have to wait. 21 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:39,239 It's prefer you know now, I blink. Five days gone. 22 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:43,239 Wait a minute, Wait a minute, It was just last weekend, 23 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,439 and now it's next weekend or this weekend. Wait, it's 24 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:50,680 almost the month of June. Wait a minute, what's happening. 25 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:56,079 Things are spending much too quickly. I'm already disoriented those 26 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,680 of you who were under the age of thirty. I'm 27 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:04,319 just saying, buckle up, because when you hit midlife, you 28 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,799 will wake up one day and go, hey, wait a minute. 29 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,960 When I fell asleep, it was January and now it's Thanksgiving. 30 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,280 That shit totally happens as we get older. Anyway, it's 31 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:21,159 been a wild month, you know. We had the god 32 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:24,879 awful movie Show late last week, a bonus broadcast, and 33 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,800 then before that, we had a show which I got 34 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,599 a lot of feedback on and a little bit of pushback, 35 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:35,800 as it was called Cholesterol. You Have One Job. We 36 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,000 were talking about the fatty deposits in the cells of 37 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:46,199 Captain gomb Over, the tangerine Palpatine of the White House, 38 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:50,400 Donald Trump, and how many of us are rooting for 39 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:57,520 his demise of natural causes, and some people thought this 40 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,080 is just base. It's been neath you. I can't believe 41 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,879 you speaking with Glee about the day that he finally 42 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,360 feels over, and I just can't apologize for it. I'm 43 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,479 just you know, every day when I log on, I'm like, 44 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,599 is he live? There's a website it's called Alive or Dead, 45 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,319 and people like to use it for celebrities that they 46 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:27,439 haven't seen in a while. So you just log on 47 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:30,680 and you're like this celebrity. You type in the name 48 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:34,199 dead or alive, eh, and it says dead or alive, 49 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,280 and it gives you their age. How many times have 50 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,159 we been in a conversation and somebody will be like, hey, 51 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:45,039 did you know that they just turned ninety eight years old? 52 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:50,879 Like Dick van Dyke is he's either ninety nine or 53 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,680 a hundred years old. I mean, the legendary Dick van 54 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,400 Dyke is still alive. Well, you can go to a 55 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:01,479 website and you can his name in every day and 56 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,919 find out it's maybe it's morbid. I don't know, speaking 57 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,120 of death. I went to it totally. This is what happened. 58 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,240 I woke up the other day and it was early 59 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,600 and I don't know if someone sent me the link. 60 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:20,959 But there's a website that will quote unquote predict the 61 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:26,439 date and the manner of your death. And so it's 62 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,800 a death date website. It's very dark, it's just right 63 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,800 up my alley. So I went to the site, and 64 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,639 of course, you know it's nuts. Nobody knows it's bullshit. 65 00:04:36,959 --> 00:04:40,319 We all know that. But I still filled out the form. 66 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,800 What's your age, right, when were you born? What's your 67 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,399 lifestyle like, do you smoke, do you drink? Do you 68 00:04:45,439 --> 00:04:50,360 get exercise? What's your height? What's your weight? It calculates BMI, 69 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:54,319 your body mass index, which I have heard is total crap. 70 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,839 I've heard that BMI is not actually like a useful thing. 71 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:02,480 That's a whole other convers But I typed in all 72 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:05,519 of my metrics and I said when and how am 73 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:12,079 I going to die? And lucky me, it popped right up. 74 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:18,560 I discovered thanks to the death clock, at the age 75 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,839 of fifty seven years and just under two months. Their 76 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,920 calculations say my death date will be the twenty ninth 77 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:31,720 of January twenty sixty four. It will be a Tuesday 78 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,439 when I suddenly keel over at the ribald age of 79 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:41,759 ninety five years and just under ten months, over fourteen 80 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:48,000 thousand days left. What a relief. I guess that's better 81 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,680 than you know, typing in all of your stats and 82 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,720 it says you will live to be fifty seven years 83 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,439 and four months, because you know, I would have a 84 00:05:56,439 --> 00:05:58,319 lot to get done. I would need to get my 85 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:01,279 affairs in order pretty quickly. I'm just saying the cause 86 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:08,480 of my death, according to the bullshit website, is cardiovascular disease. 87 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:12,319 And somebody made the assalient point that you know, if 88 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,839 you're ninety five, your vascular system has had a pretty 89 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:22,600 good run. Degeneration is probably understandable. This is not too 90 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:26,399 big a leap anyway. That's how I started my day, 91 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:32,720 the death date thing. Somebody on the Cholester Wall show 92 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,879 was talking about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, and 93 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,079 we were talking about the conspiracy theories and how his 94 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,000 ear healed up awfully quickly. You know, remember when people 95 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,519 were walking around taping tampons to their ears. The magas 96 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:54,240 were taping tampons. But a lot of people were like, 97 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:57,199 this is staged, it's bullshit. So much stuff doesn't make 98 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,839 any sense. But I got uncomfortable because I don't like 99 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,639 the idea of I mean, when we got into we 100 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,040 don't assassination is not it's not what we want, it's 101 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,480 not who we are. You know what I'm saying, I 102 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,000 don't know what hellse to say, and it's just not. 103 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,240 So we were talking about how this needs to happen 104 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:22,399 organically and naturally. I mean, he's not a spring chicken. 105 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,720 But as soon as I had that conversation about the 106 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:31,360 guy and the shooter and the ear and all that, 107 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,360 some weird shit started to pop up on my Facebook 108 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:40,279 feed about how it's all a big conspiracy and how 109 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:46,199 none of it makes any sense. The trajectory of the projectile, 110 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:49,920 the nature of the injury, even the gradient colors of 111 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,920 the blood. None of it looked real. So was it 112 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,120 all a big staged event so that he could put 113 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,319 his fist in the air and show strength in the 114 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:07,319 wake of a lethal threat. You know, I tend to 115 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,800 lean into Akham's razor. The simplest explanation is the easiest. 116 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,920 You know, Conspiracy theory speculation usually don't help us, but 117 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:21,199 it does bug me some of the stuff. I look 118 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,319 at it, and I don't want to become Joe Rogan either. 119 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,519 So I guess we know what we know, then we 120 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:30,160 don't what we don't. I don't know is that a 121 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:34,480 cop out? Anyway? F y, I'm going to be in 122 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:40,320 Wichita speaking for Wichita Oasis this Sunday. I love the 123 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,399 oasis model because it's kind of a come one, come all. 124 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,120 You don't have to be atheist, you can be religious, spiritual, whatever, 125 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:52,720 but it is very much a pro humanist and pro 126 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:57,919 science thing. And there are Oasis groups in cities all 127 00:08:57,919 --> 00:09:01,279 around the country. Kansas City's we got one, Houston's got 128 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:04,279 a big one. And I'm going to be speaking at 129 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,440 Wichita Oasis Sunday morning, and it's totally free, so if 130 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,279 you're in the area, come on out. Going to be 131 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,080 a great time. Go to seth Andrews dot com slash 132 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:19,000 events for details on that. I also mentioned last week, 133 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,360 and I'll mention again that the Thinking Atheist store is back, 134 00:09:23,759 --> 00:09:28,039 and I've got the thinking person icon now on mugs 135 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:31,559 and T shirts, and we've got the cat drawing on 136 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,399 mugs and t shirts, and new products are going to 137 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,639 be added over the coming months. But you can go 138 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,279 to the Thinkingatheist dot com and then there's a shop 139 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:43,720 button on the tab at the top, so go and 140 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:46,480 kind of browse and see if anything tickles your fancy. 141 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:49,279 It's a great way to have Thinking Atheist merch in 142 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,919 your house, get some swags, support the work. At the 143 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,840 same time Thethinkingatheist dot com click on the shop tab. Okay, 144 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,000 plenty of phone calls to get to on this broadcast, 145 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,200 and so we begin to zero two. 146 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 4: Hi. 147 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:07,799 Speaker 2: What's your name? 148 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 4: Name is Frank, Hi, Frank, Please forgive my speech. I 149 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:17,919 have some issues with autism, so my speech sometimes comes 150 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:22,000 out a little messy. I thought it would, thank you. 151 00:10:23,039 --> 00:10:28,080 You were talking about the assassination attempt on Trump. I 152 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,000 don't remember where I saw this. I think it was 153 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,279 on one of the TV news channels that the bullet 154 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:41,399 didn't actually hit Trump, it hit the glass teleprompter and 155 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,039 the glass flew out, and that's what took his ear out. 156 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:49,000 Don't quote me on this, but that's what I heard, 157 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:53,480 probably the evening after the event happened. I really wanted 158 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:56,919 to talk about, Yeah, okay, what I really wanted to 159 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,279 talk about was an experience I had in your backyard. 160 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,559 About two years ago. I was having some work done 161 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,240 on my RB in Oklahoma City, and I started getting 162 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,799 some light pains in my chest and my left arm. 163 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,919 I'd had a heart attack before, so I decided to 164 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,039 go to the hospital and make sure. The closest hospital 165 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,240 was a major hospital on the south side of Oklahoma city. Well, 166 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:26,720 they came in. They put me in this little room. 167 00:11:27,039 --> 00:11:30,399 People came in stuck the little sticker things all over. 168 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,720 You connected me to the machine, and they just connected me. 169 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:38,200 They left and I was left in the room with 170 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,440 a nurse to fill out the paperwork. And you know, 171 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,399 I was giving her my information, and then she asked 172 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,600 what religion are you? And I said, I'm an atheist. 173 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,960 I was watching her and her whole body jerked like 174 00:11:55,039 --> 00:11:59,000 I had slapped her real hard. She didn't say anything else. 175 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,600 She finished up whatever the line was she was working 176 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,720 on and left the room. About twenty five thirty minutes later, 177 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:12,200 some guy comes and stands in the doorway and says, 178 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,559 you're not having a heart attack, you can go. There 179 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,440 was absolutely no thing of trying to figure out what 180 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:23,080 my problem was. I suspected his acid in digestion, but 181 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:27,120 I put my shirt back on. Walk down in the hallway, 182 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,759 and the entire emergency department was completely empty. There were 183 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:36,759 no nurses, no doctors, no patients, and all the doors 184 00:12:36,799 --> 00:12:40,279 to the little patient cubicles were open, and I saw 185 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,960 about three or four of them where the bed had 186 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,600 been rolled out away. I had to figure my own 187 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:49,480 way out. I ended up having a walk all the 188 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:52,000 way around the hospital to get to my truck, which 189 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,840 I had parked in the front. But that is the 190 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,399 first time in my life I have ever actually had 191 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,600 something like that happened to me. It is stuck with 192 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:03,440 me pretty heavy. 193 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:07,759 Speaker 2: So your inference here is that once they knew you 194 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,120 were godless, they kept a distance, and. 195 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:15,279 Speaker 4: The fact that nobody tried to figure out what was 196 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,000 really wrong with me that hurt. Also. 197 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: Have you noticed that when something happens to a believer, 198 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,720 God is using this light and momentary affliction to build 199 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:32,159 their faith, or if they die, some God called them 200 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,559 home it was their time, their work on earth was done. 201 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,320 I don't know they've got some sort of apologetic at 202 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,919 the ready, But if it was to happen to you 203 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,279 or me as atheist, God pulled the plug because we 204 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,840 had rejected him and he killed us or allowed us 205 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:51,679 to die. Have you noticed that the narrative changes based 206 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:52,639 on who believes what. 207 00:13:53,799 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 4: I actually haven't had any experience with it at all. 208 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,440 I've had some instances where I told us some I 209 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,519 was an atheist. I can't pull up at any particular 210 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,600 one or instance in my brain right now, but I 211 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,840 never had any kind of reaction, like they've got to 212 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,720 get away from this devil that has gotten into their facility. 213 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:17,879 I have a whole bunch of things wrong with me. 214 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,600 I'm now seventy three. I've had full blown AIDS since 215 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,000 nineteen ninety one. I am in the process of dealing 216 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:31,559 with prostate or anal cancer, have diabetes. Just the problem 217 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:33,679 is go all the way around. That's one of the 218 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:38,519 reasons I'm having some difficulty with my speech. But the 219 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:47,399 autism also causes that. I like your channel, I'm sticking 220 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,480 things in the wrong way. 221 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:51,799 Speaker 2: You're doing well. No, I'm totally tracking. This has actually 222 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:55,080 been a linear narrative, so I don't know, don't apologize 223 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,399 you're doing. I'm so sorry these things have happened to you. 224 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,360 I'm interested to that. You know, science made it possible 225 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,559 for people who were diagnosed with AIDS, especially in the nineties, 226 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,480 to be able to survive and live much longer lives, 227 00:15:10,559 --> 00:15:13,480 and for that, I am very thankful to science. I'm 228 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,279 sorry that you know the infection happened. 229 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,399 Speaker 4: I am, you know, but. 230 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,639 Speaker 2: I'm glad you're still kicking still with us despite the challenge. 231 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. I actually we figured out who gave it to me. 232 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,000 There was a couple of guys this was in eighty 233 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:30,399 three that were doing stuff and they knew they had 234 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,759 it and weren't killing anybody. In my entire I had 235 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,240 sex with maybe six or seven people. Let's see. It 236 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:41,840 was in eighty three I met my life partner and 237 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:46,639 eventual husband. He passed away fix years ago now. But 238 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,440 I appreciate every day that I have because when I 239 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,720 was first diagnosed at ninety one, they gave me six 240 00:15:53,799 --> 00:15:58,080 months and at the time I lived in Washington near Washington, 241 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,240 d c. Or just outside of town. And my HIV doctor, 242 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:05,480 which was my primary doctor too, when I told him 243 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:07,559 I was getting ready to move to Colorado, which is 244 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:09,960 where I'm at now, he said he was sorry to 245 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,759 see me go because I was the only patient that 246 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:18,000 he had from that period five So believe me, I 247 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:20,559 appreciate every single day that I've got. 248 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,559 Speaker 2: It's a good encouragement for the rest of us, all right, 249 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:27,519 seize the day, yeah, and be grateful despite the challenges. 250 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,039 That experience at the hospital is fascinating to me. I'd 251 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:33,080 be curious. I'd like to be a mind reader to 252 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,000 know what was happening inside the skulls of those who 253 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,200 sort of vanished in your hour of need, especially when 254 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,240 they have a duty of care to all of their 255 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:44,840 fellow human beings. But it is a fascinating story. Big 256 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:47,159 hugs for me and the audience to you and yours, 257 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,200 my friend. You keep kicking, Okay, thank you very much. 258 00:16:50,279 --> 00:16:52,399 Speaker 4: This is the second time in my life I've ever 259 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:53,720 done a call in. 260 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: You did great too, I mean you really did well. Oh, 261 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:03,320 there's no apology. Your smooth as silk, smooth like. Butta 262 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,200 you did good. Thanks for colling. 263 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 4: Thank you all right, we'll seek the good work. 264 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,799 Speaker 2: I took a second and looked up the story about 265 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:18,440 the bullet striking the teleprompter and the fragments of glass 266 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:23,519 hitting the ear. According to the Associated Press, as published 267 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:28,720 in July of last year, the FBI confirmed it was 268 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,119 indeed a bullet that struck the former president's ear. This 269 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:36,640 was again before the election. They said both of the 270 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:41,599 teleprompters were totally intact after the shooting. Anyway, that's the 271 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,720 official word in from the a P. I've got Irene 272 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,880 dialing into the switchboard. Welcome to the show, Irene. What's up? 273 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:51,799 Speaker 4: Hi? 274 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:52,599 Speaker 3: Can you hear me? 275 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:54,039 Speaker 2: I can? Indeed? What's up? 276 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,599 Speaker 3: Well, I'm calling you from France. I've been living here 277 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,480 for forty years, but I've been listening to you as 278 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:04,160 American podcast for many, many years. I've been listening to 279 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,519 you for years, and I'm loving you. And if I don't 280 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:11,200 have a French accent, it's because I grew up in California. 281 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:16,039 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thanks for the kind words. I appreciate that somebody. 282 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: Said something earlier. Maybe it was you about a president 283 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:24,039 needing to have a heart big enough to accommodate the 284 00:18:24,039 --> 00:18:28,079 whole country. That a dollar on. 285 00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:29,759 Speaker 2: The show who had that perspective. 286 00:18:29,839 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that's something that I've been thinking about 287 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:37,960 in conjunction with several things, but I'm going to narrow 288 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:43,279 it down to two. One is that ideally, in an 289 00:18:43,279 --> 00:18:46,680 ideal society, what we would have is what Plato would 290 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,200 have called the philosopher king, that is to say, a 291 00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:53,720 head of state who has the country at heart and 292 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,880 has the competence to manage all the workings of the state. 293 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:03,240 And I ideally that's what we should have. Unfortunately, I 294 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,720 don't think we will ever have exactly that. We've had 295 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,559 close to that sometimes, but not really that, and today 296 00:19:09,759 --> 00:19:12,680 we're so far from that. That it's not even on 297 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:13,240 the radar. 298 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? I read Ye'll forgive 299 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,400 the interruption, But you living in France, what kind of 300 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,000 things are you hearing about the United States over there? Oh? 301 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 3: God, well, first of all, I listened to US podcasts 302 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,240 all the time, so what I'm hearing isn't the same 303 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:36,160 thing as as French people. Because I'm still an American. 304 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:39,519 I've put in my paperwork to request naturalization as a 305 00:19:39,519 --> 00:19:42,160 French citizen. But it's all kind of you know, I'm 306 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,799 waiting to hear from them. But most French people I 307 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,160 talk to are just shocked at you know, I don't 308 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,759 talk politics with a lot of French people, but the 309 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:55,720 ones I do talk politics with just don't understand. They 310 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,599 don't understand how the American people could do this, and 311 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,680 I have to explain to them that it was only 312 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,640 you know, like, first of all, he didn't get a 313 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,960 majority of the popular vote. Second of all, everybody doesn't vote, 314 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,359 and so it comes down to I think he got 315 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:18,200 about a third of the voting public's vote, but he 316 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:22,400 did get more votes than Cambel Harris did, or more well, 317 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,440 he did actually get more docular votes, and of course 318 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,440 he got the electoral College. 319 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: I mean, if you count the Democrat and then I 320 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,960 and the independent votes, he didn't get as many, but yes, 321 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:34,599 he got the popular votes by the letter of the law. 322 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,279 So you're saying that they're scratching their heads the way 323 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:39,759 many of us here are scratching our heads. Do they 324 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:42,000 know that we all haven't lost our minds? I mean, 325 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:45,079 I'm just I just want to apologize to the rest 326 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:48,720 of the world and say there, you know, there are 327 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,599 there is a resistance right there are dissenters here within 328 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,839 these borders. I just want to communicate that. 329 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,039 Speaker 3: I think people know that, but you know, to tell 330 00:20:58,079 --> 00:21:03,279 you the truth. After two sixteen, I started gathering up 331 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,440 my documents to request naturalization over here. And then, you know, 332 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,640 there was so much resistance in the States, and I 333 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,759 was hearing so many things that gave me hope that 334 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,799 it was only a passage, you know, four years, and 335 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,079 then we'd be done with it and people would realize 336 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,200 the mistake and we'd move on. And then Biden was elected, 337 00:21:22,519 --> 00:21:27,319 and I like, what Biden did? You know, personally I 338 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,480 like Biden. You know, I know he was old, but 339 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:35,000 so what. But then they did it again. They liked 340 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,880 that person again, and I can't. It's like I don't 341 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,200 understand it. I don't feel like I belong with the 342 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:47,839 American people anymore. So I've now completed my paperwork, submitted it, 343 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,039 and hopefully after forty living here for forty years, I 344 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,799 can become a French citizen. But anyway, you know, the 345 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,640 French people, of course, they know that it's not everybody, 346 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,759 because it's not everybody in France that likes Lapin, so 347 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:07,319 they understand that. But we tend to think of people 348 00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:11,839 as monoliths. We tend to think of the French people. 349 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:16,279 There's no such thing. Really, there are people who are French, 350 00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:20,400 but there's not the French people, because everybody's got their 351 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,759 own individual view of the world and so and this 352 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,480 is the same for American people and anybody else obviously. 353 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:33,079 So no, the French people, I don't know they I 354 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,319 would have said, like a few years ago, I would 355 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:38,119 have said, well, the French people love Americans, and it's 356 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,839 what's true. I don't know that that's true today because 357 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:45,599 they don't understand. They just can't. They don't get it, 358 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,720 and I don't get it. 359 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,039 Speaker 2: I haven't heard that French people love Americans, I've heard. 360 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,319 I've heard that, and then this may be true with 361 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,200 many of our allied around the world, you know, they 362 00:22:58,279 --> 00:23:01,920 I think many see us as spoiled than coddled and entitled, 363 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,480 and a lot of a lot of other things beyond that. 364 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:09,119 Though your commentary about the type of person who should 365 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,759 be president, that is a person who would be one, 366 00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:14,440 we don't put a punctuation mark on it, right. 367 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 3: So okay, So yeah, So I was listening to a 368 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,559 recent Colbert interview of Bill Gates, who has decided to 369 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,960 over the next twenty years, give away eighty percent of 370 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,480 his wealth or to spend eighty percent of his wealth 371 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:34,480 on his causes. And I think that's laudable. I think 372 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:36,880 it's great. I think people who have a lot of 373 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,880 money should give it back, you know, they should find 374 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,640 something to give it to that's worthwhile and do that. 375 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,279 I also think people shouldn't be able to get that 376 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,119 much wealth in the first place. But here we are, 377 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,680 and I think that, you know, I have thought for 378 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,079 a long time that it's a horrible idea to have 379 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:01,519 the people who are wealthy decide but causes our worth 380 00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:05,359 while and then put their money into those causes, Because 381 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,720 you know, then we have a world governed by the 382 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,839 wealthiest people, who aren't necessarily the most competent or the 383 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,720 smartest or most benevolent people. But if we've got Bill 384 00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:22,279 Gates giving his money to eradicating polio and malaria and 385 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:25,599 the other causes that he's putting his money into, I 386 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:31,119 and I said, bravo, do that. And today, given what 387 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,440 is happening in the US government with you know, all 388 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,599 the people, the people that Trump has been putting in 389 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,039 place in all of the key positions that are taking 390 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,599 charge of all the American agencies and so forth, and 391 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:50,319 they're incompetence and the malevolence that is being installed. Now 392 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,559 I'm in a quandary because maybe we do need rich 393 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,960 people to take over and start doing the right thing 394 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,720 and just leave the government. When the government becomes so 395 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:07,880 corrupt and so incompetent and so evil, maybe what we 396 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,720 need is for people who have the means and the 397 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:16,640 intelligence to do so, to actually take away those decisions 398 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,119 from the government and do the good work themselves. So 399 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,759 and like I say, it's a quandary for me because 400 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:26,960 I really think that fundamentally it's a bad idea, but 401 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:29,680 today it might actually be a good idea, and I'd 402 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,799 like to have your thoughts on that. 403 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: Let me think about that one for a second. Can 404 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,160 I chew on it and maybe give you my opinion 405 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,759 here in a second off the call. But yeah, you've 406 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,039 given me something to think about, but I need to 407 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,920 consider it for a second. Would that be okay? 408 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,039 Speaker 4: Sure? 409 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: I appreciate you calling all the way from France, and 410 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,319 please tell everybody that we haven't all lost our collective 411 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,559 minds over here and that the resistance is rising. 412 00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:01,519 Speaker 3: Okay, ok, thank you sir, and thank you for taking 413 00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:01,920 the call. 414 00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:06,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're bad. Thank you. I think the question 415 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,640 starts with is there such a thing as an ethical billionaire? 416 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:18,000 And I'm not sure the answer is yes. I do 417 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,079 see Bill Gates, etc. Who have done a tremendous amount 418 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,720 of charitable work. And I don't begrudge anybody great success, 419 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:30,720 even in the millions of dollars. But where I used 420 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,119 to think, Well, this is America, and you can get 421 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,319 as rich as you want, and then it's all trickled 422 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,640 down and look at all the industries you've created, and 423 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,279 look at all those things that you can accomplish. Blah 424 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,640 blah blah. I'm not convinced that any one human being 425 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,000 should have that much money and power in a world 426 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:52,240 with this much suffering. I also think that many of 427 00:26:52,279 --> 00:27:00,279 the CEOs of very powerful corporations are in fact psychopaths. 428 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:07,400 They have tendencies towards psychopathy. I would like a psychologist 429 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,359 to weigh in on that one. But you do not 430 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:18,039 get to where you are usually without exploitation. You do 431 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,880 not get to where you are as a billionaire without 432 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,759 stepping on the heads of the commoners. Do I think 433 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,400 that's always the case? I don't know all the billionaires. 434 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,400 Somebody made money in the market, somebody built a better 435 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,720 mouse trap, blah blah blah. But at some point, in 436 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,880 a world with this much suffering, how many thousands of 437 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:46,359 millions of dollars should one person have? And then they 438 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,119 get to construct an alternative universe where they have totally 439 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,039 different rules. They skate on stuff that you and I 440 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,440 would maybe go to jail for. They can manipulate stock 441 00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:03,160 markets and be influences to foreign powers to shift world events. 442 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,640 Should any one person have that kind of power? And 443 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,279 if you were going to make your billions as part 444 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:13,680 of a society, do you not then owe an obligation 445 00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:17,039 a debt to that society to pay it back. And 446 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:21,440 at this point, I've got Mags screaming socialism. He wants 447 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,519 to turn us into Russia. Everybody wants to talk about freedom, 448 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:30,880 nobody wants to talk about obligation. I worry that in 449 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,759 so many cases, the characteristics that made someone that filthy rich, dirty, rotten, filthy, 450 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:43,599 stinking rich, those characteristics are not those of benevolence, because 451 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,720 I'm not sure someone that benevolent wouldn't have already allocated 452 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,799 resources to the society that they grew up in to 453 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,000 benefit planet Earth. But then I think, well, you know, 454 00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,480 Mark Cuban is a billionaire, but he seems to be 455 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,559 a on the side of progressive values. I mentioned Bill 456 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:09,000 Gates how Taylor Swift is a billionaire became rich by 457 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:15,559 providing something that people wanted. Lover or hater. She is 458 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,599 a tremendously savvy business person who did it her way, 459 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,559 rose from pretty much nothing to become one of the 460 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:28,160 most successful pop artists in the history of music. So 461 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,599 I don't begrudge Taylor's swift success, but at some point, 462 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,480 how many thousands of millions does one person need when 463 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:39,799 there were so many people who are sick and suffering. 464 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,000 I struggle with the idea of an ethical billionaire, but 465 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,279 Irene may have a point where if this is the 466 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:53,359 scenario that we are stuck with, if the world's richest 467 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:56,599 person is doing this much damage, and we've got a 468 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,839 billionaire in the White House who was doing that much damage, 469 00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:07,000 then maybe the other billionaires are a corrective force or 470 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:12,119 could be mobilized activated to use their massive amounts of 471 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,279 wealth to try to stop the tide of cruelty and absurdity. 472 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,240 If this is the handw're dealt, I these are the 473 00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,200 chess pieces we're playing with. Would I rather have a 474 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,640 powerful chess piece to take out the oligarchs? You damn right, 475 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,200 I would. It's messy. It is so messy. What would 476 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,519 you do with a billion dollars? I mean if you 477 00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:39,480 gave away most of it, if you gave away ninety 478 00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,920 nine percent of it, you'd still be a millionaire, right, 479 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:47,480 I mean it's my mind cannot process all of this. 480 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:50,400 You tell me what you think in the comments section, 481 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:53,799 and we will hear more of what our listeners think 482 00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:05,480 after this. It is the final broadcast of May of 483 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,880 twenty twenty five. Summer is on the horizon. We can 484 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,240 look and see summer approaching, and then, of course is fall, 485 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:18,039 which means October, which means Halloween. And I'm one of 486 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:22,200 those guys who is counting down the days to Halloween 487 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,680 even though it's not yet. Summertime drives people crazy. I'm 488 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:33,000 already planning my Halloween decorations. Big deal in my house. Well, 489 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,559 it's a big deal to me. Natalie endores it. She 490 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,559 likes it more than she says. So I have options 491 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,440 this year. I'm either I can't believe I'm telling you 492 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,279 this in the month of May, but it's on my mind. 493 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:51,319 I'm either going to do an alien theme because I 494 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,319 bought kind of a cheap xenomorph costume, which is fun 495 00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,480 and funny. I thought about doing maybe the eggs, the 496 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,640 alien eggs all over the yard and having the alien theme. 497 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:09,200 I thought about squid games. My fantasy is to have 498 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:13,839 one of those giant dolls from the game I forget 499 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,160 what do they call it? Stop or Go game where 500 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:19,640 when she looks the other way, you can run, but 501 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,960 if she looks at you, you have to stop and 502 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,039 freeze or else you die. What's the name of that game? 503 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:30,000 I can't remember. But there's this big statue fifteen feet tall. 504 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:33,319 I don't have the money or the skill to build 505 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,799 something like that, but oh my god, in a perfect world, 506 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,440 I would have that. And then some squid games, uniformed 507 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:45,559 figures all around, and we let people play the game, 508 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,480 you know, for fun. We wouldn't actually shoot them. And 509 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,680 then the one I'm probably gonna do because it's cheapest, 510 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:59,400 is I'm thinking about doing a skeleton bande. I've got 511 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,920 the skeletons already, I've accumulated them over the years. Build 512 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,920 like a I don't know, a fake drum set. Buy 513 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,720 a couple of old plastic toy guitars and hang them 514 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,319 around the necks of the skeletons, and put a dance 515 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:17,359 floor out and then we just play music while the 516 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,119 skull band stands there and everybody can dance to Halloween music. 517 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,319 That might be kind of fun. 518 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: I don't know. 519 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: These are the things that occupy my brain in late 520 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:32,920 May of twenty twenty five. But what occupies your brain? 521 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,279 Let's find out. Nathan is calling from area code nine 522 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:41,039 two zero. Hi, thanks for waiting, are you there? 523 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:41,759 Speaker 4: Yep? 524 00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 5: I am here, Thank you. 525 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,559 Speaker 2: Let's talk what's on your mind? 526 00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 5: Pardon just moving from one room to the other, I 527 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,559 add a question. I got to dust off my Bible 528 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,720 to one of these days. I'm an atheist, but looking 529 00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:57,759 back on the past salvation, I think according to Catholics 530 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,519 and Christians, I think with Abraham it boils down to 531 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,599 believe obeyed some form of repentance through sacrifice or asking 532 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:11,960 for forgiveness directly from God. Noah, same thing, Moses, same thing, 533 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,199 but with a lot more rules to obey. And then 534 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,320 it comes to Jesus, which is supposed to be this 535 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,800 like new covenant, something brand new, and it feels like 536 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,119 it's the same thing. Believe, obey, repents through some form 537 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,400 of forgiveness or maybe a sacrifice through martyrdom. 538 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 2: Are you asking me if I see similarities from religion 539 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,000 to religion? 540 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 5: I think this probably would have been a better question 541 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,280 for doctor Bohen or a pologia, but I had time. 542 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,920 I'd rarely get to calling. 543 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: For somebody who was. 544 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 3: It. 545 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 2: Yes, I'd like to talk about faiths the major funding 546 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,320 of religions, especially like Mexican food. Like you walk into 547 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,000 a restaurant, you say, I would like a taco. What's 548 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,840 on a taco? You got tortilla, meat, lettuce, cheese, and tomato. Well, 549 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,679 I would like a tostata instead. What's on that? Well, 550 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,639 you got a tortilla, meat, lettuce, cheese, and tomato. Right, 551 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,480 I would like it an ininchulada. What's on that? 552 00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:11,639 Speaker 5: Way? 553 00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,599 Speaker 2: You got a tortilla, meat, lettuce, cheese, tomato. I think 554 00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:18,599 that the major religions have the same ingredients, they're just 555 00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,280 served up in different ways. Right, You've got a holy book, 556 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,119 You've got a dogma, you've got a paradise, you've got 557 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,039 damnation or potential punishment, posthumous existence. You've got your clergy 558 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,960 and priests, and you know, I see a lot of similarities. 559 00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:34,800 I don't know, what do you think of my Mexican 560 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,639 food analogy? Is that just lame? 561 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 5: It makes me a little bit hungry. It's on the 562 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:40,960 treadmill before I called in. 563 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 2: You know, I may have to I would door dash it, 564 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,800 but I don't think I want to pay thirty five 565 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,559 dollars for an enchilada, which is kind of You got 566 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,840 to be super lazy to use door dash, and I 567 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,360 have been guilty as of late. At the end of 568 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,119 a long day. It's a totally different conversation, Nathan, Was 569 00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,960 there anything else about the similarities between the religions that 570 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,159 you wanted to speak about. 571 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 5: It was mostly just focusing on Christianity in the various sects. 572 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,920 As I think according to what I've heard from some 573 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,079 Jewish people, salvation is kind of a revolving door. I 574 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,719 don't quite understand it. I'd have to read up on 575 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,039 the tour I have, but all my religious books are 576 00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,760 in a storage locker collecting dust right now. 577 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,639 Speaker 2: Nathan. If we're talking about the different splinterings or denominations 578 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:29,559 of Christianity, you're saying that even though they split, they 579 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,199 have much more in common than they have in disagreement. 580 00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:35,199 Speaker 5: It was mostly just focusing on the paths to salvation, 581 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,119 starting with Abraham going to Jesus, because they all seem 582 00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:41,199 to be the same thing, although they seem like they're 583 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,679 being presented as something new, and when you get to Jesus, 584 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,840 he seems pointless because it's the same damn thing. Whether 585 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,079 you believe that Jesus is half divine or fully divine, 586 00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,199 you're still asking God directly for forgiveness, and you still 587 00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:57,000 have to believe, obey, and repent. Whether you're talking Jesus 588 00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,760 as divine, then you're just talking directly to God. If 589 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,880 it's a divine Jesus, I guess, is kind of serving 590 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,719 as a concilieri. But still you have to obey God. 591 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I misunderstood. I think I thought you were making 592 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:15,360 a comparative religions comment, but you're making a comparative denominations comment. 593 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,639 With tens of thousands of different denominations of Christianity, I'm 594 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,159 not sure we can use the word all, but I 595 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,840 take your point that many are. They seem to be 596 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:30,039 serving the same ingredients, only in slightly different orders. 597 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 5: Well, I'm kind of taking the denominations out of it 598 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,960 all together and just focusing on like the paths as 599 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,639 they are in the Bible, because when you just look 600 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:41,679 at the paths as they're presented, not I know, the 601 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,239 translations are going to be a little bit different, but 602 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,760 the ingredients for the salvation through each one, whether it 603 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,719 be Abraham, Noah, Moses, and Jesus, they all seem to 604 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,159 be the exact same thing. And it baffles me when 605 00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:58,320 I think about it, why we would even need anything 606 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,159 beyond Moses, because Jesus doesn't present anything new. Whether half 607 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,360 divine or fully divine, you're still petitioning to God. You 608 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,079 still have to obey all the commandments and you still 609 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,360 have to ask for forgiveness or have some sort of 610 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,719 sacrifice or repentance. That's what's kind of baffling, mild autism. 611 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,360 So I'm kind of like focused, no on that thing, 612 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:23,239 just Jesus himself being the whole advent of him, or 613 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,159 the whole religion being formed around him just being completely pointless. 614 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:32,559 Speaker 2: That's deep. I'm gonna have to think about that when Nathan. 615 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,360 Apparently I need more coffee always. I don't have enough 616 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,800 ram to process this one immediately, Nathan. But it's interesting 617 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,880 and I'd be curious to hear what the comments have 618 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,840 to say about it as well. So thanks for all. 619 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,559 Speaker 5: I'm a over the road trucker, so most of the 620 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,239 time I hear the programs I'm at work and can't 621 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,880 call in. I just listen on the drive. 622 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: No, it's an interesting approach. Let's chew on that one. 623 00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,119 Save travels out there. Thank you for calling. 624 00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 5: Yep, you have a good day there, Bye bye. 625 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I guess we could go further toward 626 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:14,519 the beginning the genesis literal genesis of the story. If 627 00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,159 God is omniscient, why would he have implemented a plan 628 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,159 that he foreknew would fail a riff on that is, 629 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,280 why would God create anyone that he foreknew would end 630 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,519 up in hell. We don't have hell until the New 631 00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:29,719 Testament depart from me, you who are cursed into a 632 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,840 lake of everlasting fire and damnation. So the scenarios are 633 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,039 a little bit different. Where the Old Testament seems to 634 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:43,079 be a little more focused on works, obeying God directly, 635 00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:48,280 where the New Testament is more You've got to have faith, 636 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,719 but faith without works is dead. So works are important, 637 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,000 but it's not about works. 638 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 4: I don't know. 639 00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 2: I need, I need. I need a topper on the 640 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,599 coffee to be able to process. I don't have the 641 00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:07,280 bandwidth to be able to properly address this. You deserved better, Nathan, 642 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,719 you deserved more from me. I leave it. I stand 643 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,800 on the shoulders of giants, the greater skeptics who were 644 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,000 watching and listening to the show today. Michael is calling 645 00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:19,719 from two zero seven high. 646 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,559 Speaker 6: Oh hello, fancy meet you here. 647 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 2: What's going on? What's on your mind? 648 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,159 Speaker 6: Well, we're supposed to be a lot of our problems 649 00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,119 right now are because of breakdown of our rural law. 650 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,760 Right this is why I see anyway, Okay, and I'd 651 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,760 like to present the idea that I think lawyers should 652 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,480 be civil servants because we're a nation of laws. The 653 00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:47,559 law is supposed to work for everybody, and you can't 654 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,880 have equal access to the law when it takes money 655 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:56,840 to access it. Just like we provide cops, prosecutors, district attorneys, 656 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:02,079 all those things, lawyers should be right there too. You 657 00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:04,639 got a problem, you go to the courthouse or the 658 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,360 Civil Service building or whatever and present your problem to 659 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,800 a panel two or three judges or lawyers or whatever, 660 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,119 and they hear you out. If they think you get 661 00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,360 the case, Excuse me, I'm reasing hard that I just 662 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,239 ran upstairs. 663 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 2: You're fine. 664 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 6: If they think that you get a case, you get 665 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,159 to sign a lawyer, and whoever you get a problem with, 666 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,840 they get to sign a lawyer. That way, you can't 667 00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:31,320 one party can't hould you out because they can afford 668 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,440 a battery of lawyers and you can't hardly afford one, 669 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:34,800 you know. 670 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 2: I think some would argue that the public defender model 671 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,800 meets this need. I think your larger point stands where 672 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,679 we don't want the lowest times right, we want the 673 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,559 highly skilled, the greatest in their field to be available 674 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,840 to those who normally wouldn't be able to pay four 675 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,239 hundred dollars an hour for a qualified attorney. 676 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,119 Speaker 6: Right, that's only works for criminal cases. I'm talking about 677 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,119 if you've got an issue with the law, If you've 678 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,159 got a problem with somebody that's a corporation, you want 679 00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:11,039 to go up against a neighbor or whoever. If you've 680 00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:15,400 got a problem, it's not criminal, it's civil, and it 681 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,480 still takes money to deal with a civil case. And 682 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,880 if you haven't got any you can't make your complaint 683 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,199 in the first place, because you just can't access the system. 684 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,719 And if you do have a legitimate complain about somebody, 685 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,880 they can ride you out by hiring more attorney and 686 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,119 running postponements. And they don't care about the legal bill 687 00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,199 they're racking up because the point is to win. You 688 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,920 can't beat that. 689 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:41,639 Speaker 2: I feel the same about healthcare. I feel like a 690 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,840 society absolutely as an obligation to take care of its own, 691 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,239 not those who can simply afford the policy. And it's 692 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,360 stupid to live in a culture where even those who 693 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,599 have full health insurance, full coverage, can still go bankrupt 694 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,360 with one major medical event, and the people can cry 695 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,320 them all they want, But I envy Canada because their 696 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,760 healthcare system, despite its imperfection, seems better than what we've 697 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,360 got here. 698 00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 6: Absolutely, our healthcare system is a mess, but so is 699 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,800 our legal system. We wouldn't be here now. 700 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,119 Speaker 4: Well. 701 00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 6: I think Biden's biggest failing was not taking care of 702 00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:20,880 the Supreme Court while he was. 703 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 2: In I love Ruth Vader Ginsburg and admired the hell 704 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,360 out of her, and I'm pissed that she did not 705 00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,079 step down when she was in poor health so that 706 00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:34,599 a non Zealot could have been appointed in her place. 707 00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,039 You know, It's just one of those things. 708 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,599 Speaker 6: The appointment system for the past few judges has been 709 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,280 broken anyway. They've all broken their oaths of office. They've 710 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,639 lied and perjured themselves. They're an illegitimate Supreme Court as 711 00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,519 far as I'm concerned. And Biden's bigger the steak was 712 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,360 not fixing that. If they had done that, we wouldn't 713 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:55,960 be here now. 714 00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,039 Speaker 2: All right, Michael, I got you my. 715 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 6: Opinion. 716 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 2: Thanks for calling and giving your opinion. I know a 717 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,440 lot of folks will have opinions. Okay, well your opinion. 718 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 6: Oh I could give you a lot of opinions, but 719 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,480 I know you ain't got time to hear that. 720 00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:14,679 Speaker 2: I don't have time this time. Be safe out there, Okay, 721 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,559 we'll see you later, all right. You know, I'm still 722 00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:23,320 thinking about healthcare. When I was a devout Christian, I 723 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:29,440 opposed universal health care or government provided or government funded healthcare. 724 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:34,559 I don't even know why, except that we were scared 725 00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,400 with the S word socialism. 726 00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 4: Right. 727 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,199 Speaker 2: Uh, small government good, big government bad. Jesus was a 728 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,679 las a fair capitalist. It was that kind of thing. 729 00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:51,800 I mean, it's the most unconsidered approach, especially when we 730 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,719 look at societies and the responsibilities that those societies have 731 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,679 to care for their citizens, which is what we were 732 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:05,400 talking about with the billionaires. You know, I've totally switched 733 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,119 my perspective. I think about how I wasn't overtly trying 734 00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:13,239 to be cruel, but I was so dismissive. Well, you know, 735 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,199 get a job and buy your health insurance, or get 736 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,360 a job where the employer will pay for your health insurance. 737 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,639 Plenty of opportunities out there. I mean, you just gotta look, 738 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:24,760 you gotta be committed, you gotta want it. I mean, 739 00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:30,320 how naive was that? How privileged was that? Now I 740 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,199 see these stories on the news and they're presented as 741 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:38,800 feel good stories. In broadcast terms, they called to kicker. 742 00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:42,519 They often play these sort of warm, fuzzy stories at 743 00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,119 the end of a newscast, after all the doom and gloom, 744 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,719 to leave you with kind of a sugary taste in 745 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,880 your mouth. And they're like Little Timmy was thirteen years 746 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,840 old when his mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. Timmy 747 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:02,239 started his own lemonade stand at five a glass. The 748 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,159 school mobilized, his community rallied around him. The word spread 749 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,320 on the media. He has sold five hundred glasses of 750 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,119 lemonade and helped to pay for his mother's healthcare. What 751 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,199 a beautiful story. Twenty years ago, I'd have been like, Wow, 752 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,440 that's really sweet. Right now, I think Jesus Christ, why 753 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,840 in the world is a kid having to sell freaking 754 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:34,599 lemonade to save his mother. These aren't feel good stories. 755 00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:39,960 They are indictments of a broken system. And yet somehow 756 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:44,159 Christians who say that Jesus fed the poor, he divided 757 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,239 up the loaves and the fishes are multiplied the loaves 758 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,840 and the fishes, and he fed the five thousand, and 759 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,519 he told the rich man, sell everything you have and 760 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:58,679 give it to the poor and follow me. There's this 761 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,480 notion I think, well, if the government is meeting your 762 00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:06,360 needs and you rely on the government, maybe you're not 763 00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:11,239 relying on Jesus or you worship the state. That's one 764 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,800 of the narratives out there. Is healthcare a right or 765 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,599 is it a privilege? Something that has to be earned? 766 00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:22,639 Do we really want to dole out a bunch of 767 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,519 free stuff to people? Takers out there, not providers, not producers, 768 00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:30,760 but takers, and all they're going to do is drain us, 769 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,119 dry us wordy you. The Christian faith is infected with 770 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,239 this kind of thinking, even as many of the people 771 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,960 who are part of that faith are being financially devastated 772 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,199 as they go through their own health crises. And then 773 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,039 a side note, they go in and they get science 774 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,719 based medical care. When they have a good day on 775 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,280 chemo or they recover from a wound of some kind, 776 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,559 they often ignore the doc and thank Jesus. That's a 777 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,599 whole other pet peeve of mind. But when did we 778 00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:11,159 as human travelers on this planet, brothers and sisters, primates 779 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,039 who have evolved together and must share this rock in 780 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,119 a trillions of galaxies universe, when did we decide that 781 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,760 maybe the weak should die out. Maybe the unfortunate did 782 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,960 have it coming. How ironic is it that this fundie religion, Christianity, 783 00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:35,519 has in some ways adopted a kind of social Darwinism. 784 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,800 Or maybe it's that they simply believe the church has 785 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,320 to meet all those needs. The government's role is to 786 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,719 be small and allow citizens to own bibles and guns. 787 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,400 I guess maybe that's what they're thinking. It's a private 788 00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:55,360 issue that should be solved in the free markets. Maybe 789 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,119 I don't know. It's messy anyway. My mind spins on 790 00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:03,920 this idea that you and I live in ostensibly a 791 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,800 first world nation with more resources than anybody else on 792 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,559 the planet, and we've got people who cannot afford the 793 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,480 basics of their healthcare. And if the best version of 794 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:20,519 Jesus Christ showed up in five minutes and tried to 795 00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:25,280 do something about it, Maggi, evangelicals would point at him, 796 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,199 call him a socialist, probably throw him in a black 797 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,400 van and ship his ass down to El Salvador. Okay, 798 00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,000 I'm done venting. That's all we're going to do this week. 799 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,719 Always a pleasure to spend some time with you. Thank 800 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,199 you for spending part of your day with me. Hang 801 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,480 in there, I'll see you soon. 802 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,519 Speaker 1: Follow The Thanking Atheist on Facebook and Twitter for a 803 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:53,159 complete archive of podcasts and videos, products like mugs and 804 00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:56,880 t shirts featuring the Thinking Atheist logo, links to atheist 805 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,440 pages and resources, and details on upcoming free events and conventions. 806 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,800 Log onto our website, The Thinkingatheist dot com.