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Speaker 1: Buddy based lit Analyzer, and we're going to be covering

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a couple films of recent note I might throw in

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some Dead Reckoning as well, because we had Final Reckoning,

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and then we want to do the very bizarre but

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very enjoyable from my perspective, Nicholas Cage film The Surfer.

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Of course, I'm a huge Nick Cage fan, and we've

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got bla with us. What's up, dog? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Y'all?

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to this one. This one fits into

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your Nick Cage a cannon and I think it's a

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pretty interesting movie.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to be said.

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Speaker 3: It certainly fits into a lot of the stuff that

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you guys have talked about recently. And then if we

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get to the new Mission Impossible, I'm definitely looking forward

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to that one because we saw it today and we've

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got some thoughts on it, so.

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Speaker 1: I do too. Why don't we start with the Mission

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Impossibles if that's okay, just because I actually think The

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Surfer was a better film than The Mission Impossible. I

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did not think that Final Reckoning was that great. It's

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kind of a lackluster showing in my view. So maybe

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a little bit of background of Mission Impossibles, and then

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some Final Reckoning and then we'll go to the Surfer.

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Is that okay with you, you guys, okay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Bla tell us initial thoughts about first of all,

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the overall Mission Impossible, Tom Koomb series, then Dead Reckoning,

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and then Final Reckoning.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, well, there are eight parts to this.

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And what's amazing is that the first film came out May,

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like May twenty second, nineteen ninety six, May twenty second,

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twenty four.

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Speaker 2: The date is in the.

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Speaker 3: Final Reckoning, which was sort of added in there, and

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I remember, just I guess background. I remember watching Mission

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Impossible the television show when I was a kid, and

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I thought it was, you know, super cool, its spy stuff.

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And so then when the film came out, I had

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just finished my exams at school, and I went with

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my dad, and my dad and I I had a

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like a tradition of going to these Mission Impossible movies,

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just like a Bond movie.

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Speaker 2: That's that's kind of the thing. Yeah, exactly, And yeah,

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and it's.

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Speaker 3: Crazy with these movies because it you know, it's been

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twenty nine. That's a whole other thing with Tom Cruise.

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Speaker 1: But I'll stay with this we lost you for a

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second twenty nine years and what.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's been twenty nine years since this first one

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came out and there are eight films, and it's really

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amazing because it's starting to it's it's really started to

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mirror the Bond, you know arc in many ways. And

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there's something about Mission Impossible that I in many ways,

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I think it's better than Bond in the sense that,

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first of all, it's you know, he's an American, so

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it's more it's more relatable.

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Speaker 2: I guess just watching as a blockbuster.

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Speaker 3: The movies are all always blockbuster movies in terms of

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the movie going experience. I mean, it's a it's a

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movie that I go see in the summer, and it's uh,

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it's also consistent. It's pretty consistent throughout. It doesn't have

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much of the silliness like that some of the Bond

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movies have had with different actors, and it's the same

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actor all the way through, so there's a consistency with

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the whole thing. And the silliest thing in any of

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the Bond movies was the best line which was in

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our in the Mission Impossible was in the third movie

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where he said, Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall. I

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thought that was you know that that's like the silliness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's Philip Seymour Hoffman.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you.

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Speaker 2: You and your family, remember, remember.

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Speaker 3: And and Jonathan Reese Myers, and you know, there's so

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many actors that have like come through the mission impossible movies.

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Final One was that I really, I really liked it.

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liked that it was a first of all, I liked

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the message at the very beginning when Tom Cruise comes

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onto the screen and says, hey, folks, Catherine said Hi Tom.

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Speaker 2: You know it was a personal message. And I think that.

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Speaker 1: I felt it. Yeah, it was like I.

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Speaker 3: Felt, yeah, he was talking to talking to me and yeah.

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that in any other movie could have gone wrong. There

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was a lot of exposition, there was a there were

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so many plots, there's so many people involved. But the

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thing that I liked that really kind of carried over

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over all that was that it seems it seems in

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this movie to not be disingenuous.

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Speaker 2: And the thing that I like about Tom Cruise in

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general is.

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Speaker 3: That unlike he's sort of to me sort of transcended

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a lot of the the Hollywood messaging that we and

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it's okay, let me put it this way. There's a

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lot of Hollywood messaging which we've seen and you know,

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you've covered, we've all sort of talked about. And his

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message has been consistent, which is, there's a movie and

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I want you to see it and you can have

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fun with it, and we made it for you, and.

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Speaker 2: So that's fine.

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Speaker 3: That's fine with me. That's kind of that's wholesome. And

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I liked that there were I thought there were Christian

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elements in the film. There's family, there's self sacrifice.

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movie and they sort of redeemed him and now he's

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got he instead of instead of you know, he says,

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what can I do to make up for this horrible

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thing that I've done for you? And the guy says,

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wife and I found purpose. And I thought that that

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was that was wholesome. There was something wholesome in the film. Now,

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there was a lot going on, and you know, there's

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a lot of exposition, and you know, there's a lot

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of stunt work, and the stunt work was cool, and

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it mirrored the Final Bond movie in a lot of

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ways because we have an entity. We've got a Luciferian

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what's the anti god, it's the Prince of Lies. Yeah,

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and he and Tom Cruise goes through kind of a

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christ like arc throughout the thing. He goes through a baptism,

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he gets tempted, he's called the Chosen One, and in

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was like an anti globalist message in the film because

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they made these decisions. They made, you know, through their

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free will that they're not going to destroy everybody or

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Speaker 2: I know the moves.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was like, how long we've been in here?

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we got to the submarine scene.

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Speaker 1: Whole other movie right now. So all right, so we

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But anyway, where were we we're talking about they need

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a script doctor? Go ahead?

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Speaker 2: How long? Oh? Yeah? Sam?

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Speaker 3: Sam said something about he was talking about a twenty

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four films and something else, and.

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Speaker 2: His critique was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: It was like that you can go too far in

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dark and cloudy, because then we can't see anything. It's

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too grainy and there's nothing to see on the film.

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division of the world and something that's palatable to a

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viewing audience. So if you're trying to show that there

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are that the global world is huge, and that espionage

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the captain of the submarine. You know, was you know,

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he gives some nuance to his performance and you know,

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if if if you Plus he was the black man

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with a mustache, so an eighties.

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a lot of top top gun in this one. Yes,

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there's a lot of top gun in this and Indiana Jones.

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was a there were a number of things in the

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film where they show a thing and then they explain

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the thing that they just showed, and so the exposition

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Speaker 2: Be too much. The audience is assumed to be too

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it's tedious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's treating us like we're done.

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he comes up from underwater, and you know, and then

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they show they tell the whole story of what this

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thing is. This is a new technology. Then they show

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it and then Haley Atwell goes, what the hell is that?

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Speaker 1: That they just tak the tom Koom pod.

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Speaker 1: So like I like when he got into the old

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Russian sub from twenty twelve and then he pulls down

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this like hatch when he's underwater and there's like a

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giant screen with like an on button and a battery. Yeah,

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like an on button and a charge the sub battery.

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Speaker 2: I liked it when the Russian said I have no one,

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not even the dog. That was good.

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Speaker 1: So Russians don't like people, their loners and they don't

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even like dogs.

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Speaker 2: So but I thought I liked the film.

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I'm so we're so used to seeing such just everything

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that I really didn't like was the Twister remake. And

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the Twister remake, and he had been in Top Gun

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Maverick and he was doing this interview and they said, uh, so,

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what was it like when you got to call from

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for quite a while. What do you mean think about it?

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wanted to put you in a Tom Cruise movie. You

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that it kept movie theaters open. I think there's you know,

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much in the movie, there was there's just too much exposition,

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there's too much explained.

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was the editing things that didn't make sense. It didn't

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make sense, and maybe I just missed it. But you know,

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at the beginning of the film, Uh, how how did

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Gabriel know where ving Rams was, where where Phineas Freak

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was to go find him to kill him? And then

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how did he know that Tom kOhm would know where

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he was going to put ving Rams with the bomb?

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to pop up multiple times in the film where characters

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Speaker 5: Like you're thinking, you're just supposed to watch him run.

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Speaker 1: I think we're just supposed to be trans running with this.

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You know, Roddy Chopp run that he does.

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Speaker 5: Through Venice, running on the Serengetti, running, running, running, a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of running, a lot of running.

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Speaker 3: You pointed out before that the success of the movie

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is a direct correlation to how much he runs in

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the movie, and I think that's I think that's true.

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I noticed that in this movie when he runs, he

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added some facial pain, uh to to his running, So

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he was running, for instance, away from from Ving Raiams's character.

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buddy thing, you know, you know it's like a lethal weapon,

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like yeah, I'm black and you're white, and that makes

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it more special and and you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You remember running?

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Speaker 5: Do you guys remember him running in the firm as

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a lawyer?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Famous?

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Speaker 1: What movie doesn't he run in? Jerry Maguire? Does he

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running that?

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Speaker 5: He probably runs.

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Speaker 1: When he plays the Jewish?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. His best movie is.

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because he plays against sort of plays against type, and

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he plays a lot of the film with his mask on.

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and it's you know, it's real acting. I like his

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tropics under because it's so it's a it's a comedy.

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a thing about comedic actors who want some gravitas by

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playing serious roles, and that that can go wrong very quickly.

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Speaker 2: We get very tired of that.

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Speaker 3: But the opposite needs to be done more, where you

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have serious actors who play comedic Roles. I mean, Leo

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should just be playing comedies. We every drama he's going

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to be in now, he cries in every and I

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like Leo, but he cries in every movie and it

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ends up being sort of the same character. So if

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he plays a comedy, plays something against type, it's real acting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, the ID like, I would like to get

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into some of the esoteric themes too before we look

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at other stuff. I mean, some of this I talked

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about in yesterday's stream, but I'm gonna bring some of

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it back up because of course, this series has quite

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a few esoteric elements all the way back to the

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first one. If for those who don't recall the theme,

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the actual mcguffin that they're after is an AI chip.

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seven installment was actually way ahead of its time in

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terms of this, uh you know, amorphous Unknown Chip. That's

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the famous scene that everybody remembers, where you know, Tom

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Komb gets down in the CAA facility and he's hanging

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over the you know, over the sensor floor to get

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the and it's over an AI chip, And I like

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that we went full circle at the end of this

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series where we're back to AI being fully advanced, it's

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gotten loose. It's this sort of sky net type of entity.

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and I watched it again yesterday. The first one, or

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the first part of the conclusion, is that there's quite

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a bit to do with cryptography and cryptocurrency, which I

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had missed when I first watched it when it came

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out in the theaters a year or two ago. And

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and that's not foreign to Tom Cruise films. If you

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watch The Mummy that had a lot of esotery agnostic

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themes in it. This one, it's more so that Tom

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likes to play the sort of rebel angel figure that

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goes into the system to cause the chaos. He's an eight.

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principle of chaos in Dead Reckoning, so that lets us

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know that he is this sort of dark angel figure,

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this sort of one that fights against the demiurge that's

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in this film, the entity that will imprison everybody in

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this depopulation agenda, which to Bela's point. I'd like that

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they returned to the notion of anti natalism and the

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total deepop agenda which had come up action in installments

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four and five, where you had a doomsday cult of

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the Apostles that wanted to get rid of all of

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humanity or reduce it to a great reset. In fact,

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they even use the terminology back to Cobalt and then

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the Apostles they want to nuke everybody start over a

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great reset, and what do you know, the AI wants

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to do that exact same thing.

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Speaker 3: It has a lot of similarities to the Final Bond movie,

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you know, with deepop Kronka. I mean, the fact that

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the Final Bond movie was pulled from cinemas in summer

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of twenty was not due to the fact that people

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weren't going to the movie theater. It was due to

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the clearly due to the fact that the movie was

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about the very thing that was happening I forgot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And also that you know, the character's name is

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Lucifer in the film, creating this sort of neo gnostic

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poison garden.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: About the the sort of rebel angel thing because Shae

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Wigham brings that up. Shae Wigam's character brings that up

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in this final movie that you know, we realize that

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you are about protecting your team, which is noble. He

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wants to protect the people that he loves. But it

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also shows in the film, in the series of films,

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that everywhere he goes he's causing those very problems that

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he has to save in the end, and that that

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seems to be emblematic of all intelligence operations in the

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first place. I mean, even at the end of the film,

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Henry Ernie's character like gets the what do they call

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the thing, the podcaster or whatever the thing is.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to figure out the different objects, like yeah,

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whatever that thing is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's only like a game.

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Speaker 5: Boy the iPod. And he's always trying to go rogue,

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Like he can't go rogue enough from his team, from

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the government. He's always like trying to be like everyone

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we have to.

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Speaker 1: Write, I mean, because nobody else knows the big picture.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he says, you know, he even says to him, look,

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I'm not here because of what happened to my dad

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or because of I want to gain some sort of

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retribution against you. We'll have our reckoning, but I'm here

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because you won't follow orders. And that's one of the

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major themes of Specops and you know any of these people.

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You know, I'm covering the Narnia series right now, And

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even in The Magician's Nephew, the book starts off with

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Uncle Andrew's character, who, just like Jadis the White Witch, says,

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we're above you know what Kurt says in Apocalypse Now,

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I'm above your lying, petty morality. The rules don't apply

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to me. So the rules don't apply to him. He

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has to make decisions on his own. He has to

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go rogue and be inventive. And that's when you know,

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you've you've covered the history of CIA and m I

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six and all these things in World War Two so much,

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and they sort of rely on people who do follow

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rules or come from a certain place, but also are

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able to break rules when it sort of suits the need.

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mentioning the first movie that you're right, the first movie

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is so beautiful. It's a beautiful movie, and it's so

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brilliant because it's so first of all, it's so obviously

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Brian to Palma in the best way. It's a recognizable

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Brian to Palmer film. Even the sheene of the movie

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and the way that it looks at age, it's it's

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aged so well. But like you said, it's a it's

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a classic almost noir espionage film with a pretty close

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knit cast of characters, and the locations all suit the story.

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so we can have an excuse to go to South

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Africa or whatever it is. We're going to these places

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because the plot will take us there, and it was.

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that the characters having this insular feeling, this interior drama

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that plays out in the exterior so it we can

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see it on their faces, the decisions that they're making,

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Speaker 2: And the girls car explodes.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's an explosion, but it's a thing that

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means much more to the character and to his team

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than just the fact that there's an explosion and we

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got to go somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that all throughout the Pallem One, there's

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these sort of iconic scenes and images, not just you

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know him sort of hanging like a spider, you know,

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in the Spider's Web of that facility in the CIA.

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you're mentioning at the beginning, You've got you know, the

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the fish tank blowing up and him running. I mean,

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all those are really well done action sequences for a

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film that's not focused on action. I wish we'd have

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got something.

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Speaker 2: Out Dale too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish we'd have got something more like that

475
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than all of this just sort of like, I don't know,

476
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I feel like I'm watching a die hard movie and

477
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,640
I'm not watching a spy movie. But I'd rather it

478
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,880
be a little more weighted towards the espionage stuff. But

479
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:20,759
you mentioned the characters in their backgrounds and espionage, you know,

480
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,000
for those that don't know, Ethan Hunt's based on E.

481
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,839
Howard Hunt, the famous spy rumored or proclaimed self proclaimed

482
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to be involved to some degree in the JFK event.

483
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,759
And I think now that we've had the declassification of

484
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,960
those documents, we can see that he may have played

485
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000
a role. But it does seem like there was a

486
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,519
certain Middle Eastern countries that played a pretty big role.

487
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,599
And there you go, there's one of his novels, right,

488
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:53,039
and James Jesus Angleton was certainly one of the key

489
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,519
players that appears as well with certain Middle Eastern countries.

490
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But I wanted to mention too that I'd forgotten that

491
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,359
many of the characters like Phineas Freak or Ethan in

492
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,599
the in the story were recruited precisely because of their

493
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,839
sort of criminal background, right, So they're actually recruited because

494
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,720
they were involved in shady activities. If I recall Ethan,

495
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,079
I can't recall if Ethan really was shady or if

496
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:19,960
he got framed. I think he says he was framed

497
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:24,319
or something like that. Yeah, it was like his previous

498
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,079
you know, Life and Something with Gabriel exactly. And am

499
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I right that Gabriel was in one of the earlier

500
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installments as a villain.

501
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in which which he's in, uh not rug Nation, He's.

502
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,319
Speaker 2: In He's.

503
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Speaker 1: Okay, So so he had he had popped up before.

504
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I do like all the throwbacks in this this final installment,

505
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which we knew that they would do that, but they

506
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,640
did it without being too cheesy, which I appreciated. But

507
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I did want to mention too that in the first

508
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,720
one of the conclusion. A lot of what it was

509
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,599
said about the AI, I thought was pretty pretty revelatory.

510
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,720
I don't think obviously AIS are going to be sentient,

511
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,240
but it talks about, you know, as we said, the

512
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,640
series begins with AI, it ends with AI. We have

513
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:19,160
multi signature cryptography going on in terms of Bitcoin, that's

514
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,880
very important. We have the mentioning that this can access

515
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,039
and take down the photo Reserve. It can infiltrate all networks,

516
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:34,279
including nuke's, you know, every government computer, et cetera. It's decentralized.

517
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,559
It's very much like the way if you read about

518
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:41,839
Stuck's net, it's like a megastucks net, which is interesting

519
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,279
because we just watched Black Bag with Kate Blanchett and

520
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,519
Michael Fassbender, and in that film they mentioned stucks Net,

521
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:55,359
which was the Israeli let loose bug into the Iranian

522
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,839
nuke facilities in twenty twelve, and they mentioned that this Sebastopol,

523
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,920
you know, sub sank in twenty twelve. Not that those

524
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000
necessarily connected, it's just weird that it was twenty twelve.

525
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240
And in some way we have parts of this AI

526
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,519
that are sort of fragmented. You gotta get the parts together.

527
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,960
One of the key elements is the key, which is

528
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,720
these cruciform keys that fit together very Indiana Jones', very

529
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:27,359
you know, esoteric hermetic type stuff. And so it's almost

530
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,039
like to be to control the deity is to control

531
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:35,000
the tech and the secret. So you gotta have secret nosis,

532
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,839
you gotta know the secret terms, the secret words. You

533
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,599
got to put together the puzzles of cryptography, and you

534
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,559
can become a Diusex mashkin a gone from within.

535
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:49,039
Speaker 5: He went from all of the different elements to like water, air,

536
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:51,960
like he fought underwater, in the air, in the earth.

537
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yes, we had underground bases. That was an I

538
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,359
don't know if we shu seems like we should have

539
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:01,880
had an undergrounds and spy movies, but we haven't. This

540
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,720
is like one of the first ones. Half and underground base.

541
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,759
Mount Weather's a real thing. In fact, you know, Alex

542
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:08,200
is always mentioning Mount.

543
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: Weather Weather r.

544
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,039
Speaker 3: Mount Weather's a famous place in Virginia that we drive

545
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,640
past whenever we're on trips, and there are I mean,

546
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,200
there was the secret bass that was revealed through that

547
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:27,599
journalist that the green remember the you ever heard of

548
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,680
the I talked to Jamie about this. Jamie, remember the

549
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,720
Greenbrier Hotel.

550
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: There's a hotel.

551
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:34,759
Speaker 1: The hotel ing ground Bays. Alex talks about this.

552
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh, everyone I know goes there

553
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:39,680
on vacation.

554
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: They've always been there.

555
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,319
Speaker 3: And then it was revealed that you know, it's this thing,

556
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,920
and and it's so obvious when you go there. Now

557
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,640
you go into the ballroom and there are nuclear hinges

558
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,480
on the door and you just open it up and

559
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:51,160
it's kind of full.

560
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:53,559
Speaker 2: You know, it can it can hold the full lighthouse.

561
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it, but I don't

562
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,920
mean to cut you off, but just on this point.

563
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:00,359
Did you see that maybe a few weeks ago Tucker

564
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,880
had Catherine Austin fits on about underground bases.

565
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,759
Speaker 2: I didn't see it.

566
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: I saw that they did an old deep dive and

567
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,920
she went pretty heavy into dumbs, which we haven't heard

568
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,400
much about. This is like that's like twenty twelve era

569
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,759
conspiracy stuff, you know.

570
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there's there's of course Admiral Byrd and the

571
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:24,160
underground bases and Arctica. My uncle in Mississippi, who was

572
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,799
a farmer, was in the Air Force in the fifties

573
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:31,920
and sixties and his job he passed away, but his

574
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:35,440
job he was tasked with making a list of all

575
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,319
the people that would go in the bunker in case

576
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,920
of a nuclear strike. And there was one there was

577
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,200
one space on the end that was left planket. He

578
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,200
couldn't find anybody to fill it, so he put himself

579
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,559
in it.

580
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Speaker 1: So the last bunker. Okay, yeah, put your name and

581
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,799
that's funny. Yeah, yeah. Alex. Actually this week was he

582
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:56,240
interviewed dark journalists and they talked about underground bases this

583
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,920
last week, and the only point I want to say

584
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,359
about that was Alex brought up the fact that when

585
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,599
THEO Vaughn had Zuckerberg gone, Zuckerberg was talking about his

586
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:09,759
underground tunnels and base that he has in Hawaii that

587
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,599
he had built, and Alex was of course talking about

588
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,039
how you know, this is what conspiracy theorists have talked

589
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,440
about for decades, is the you know, breakaway society that

590
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,160
the elite have in the case of some global.

591
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: Phenomena final reckoning, has the doomsday vault. You know, they've

592
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,160
got the seed vault.

593
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,279
Speaker 1: Oh, the seed vault. Yeah, great point.

594
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:34,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also got speaking of the esoteric you know,

595
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:39,319
my friend Maddie and I covered the last season of

596
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:43,160
True Detective which was set in Alaska. You know, it

597
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,079
was amongst the Inuit, and they included they included that

598
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,480
storyline in this one. The many of the films include

599
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,519
the Underground, the the literal London Underground, and a lot

600
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,240
of the a lot of these films, like you remember

601
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:04,319
in in Skyfall where they go minimalist and so then

602
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:06,799
they go to this underground you know, it's the Secret Station,

603
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,279
Churchill Secret Station, and that sort of mirrored in New

604
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,599
York with they have that train station under the Waldorf

605
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:16,400
Astoria where the President goes on the train line straight

606
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,480
from Penn Station in case of a nuclear attack. And

607
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,359
then there's all the ones in Vegas and all this

608
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:23,359
and all that in La La has.

609
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: All these underground tunnels too, and reportedly also as Jamie

610
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,079
pointed out to me, even the Als actors have supposedly

611
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,400
sort of underground tunnel systems that they take to get

612
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,519
to places that so they won't get hung up.

613
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,559
Speaker 3: I did like in the film when they showed what

614
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,680
was supposed to be Cheyenne Mountain and then they show

615
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,400
the Minutemen facilities and they've got like wild horses running

616
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,359
to indicate that it's China Mountain. So they had the

617
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,119
nuclear football in this movie again, that that the nuclear

618
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:56,000
football is in everything. It's like one of those boomer

619
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:58,000
points that's in every film about the end of the

620
00:32:58,079 --> 00:32:59,960
world where the part you know who's going to contry

621
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:03,000
he was in control of the nuclear football, and they

622
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,200
had the Curtis le Maye nick Offerman character, you know,

623
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,119
who's like, just do it, you know, ten twenty million

624
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,279
dead tops. And I thought what was interesting was that

625
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,480
with Angela Bassett and that sort of cast of characters

626
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:15,880
in the room, which, by the way, why did it

627
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,720
get so sweaty?

628
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,759
Speaker 2: You know, they're in the room. They come back to.

629
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,599
Speaker 1: It, well, because the entity can hack the air conditioning,

630
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:23,960
so that's right.

631
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, But she says that somebody will have doubt, somebody

632
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,920
will try and ruin this because there'll be a doubter basically,

633
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,079
and it ends up being her. So she ends up

634
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:38,119
being the one who is about to press the button

635
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,599
and then decides the last minute that, oh, you know, coment,

636
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,160
you know, maybe I don't need to nuke everybody on

637
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,359
earth just to save nobody. But I did think there,

638
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,000
I mean, I thought there were deeming elements in it.

639
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,200
I just again, I really liked the nerd character from

640
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,119
the first one because when they go into his place

641
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,519
on the island in the Baring Sea, when they walked

642
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,680
into the hut, the first thing I thought was like, wow,

643
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,480
that looks really cozy. There's a lot of books. They

644
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,400
got every movie ever made in this place. They're probably

645
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,920
all Tom Cruise Paramount movies. And then, of course, like

646
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,320
you said, the evil Russians are already they're attacking, So

647
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,880
there was it was two, there was you know, they're

648
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:21,559
they're in the Baring Sea. And then they got to

649
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,480
go to South Africa. Maybe that's predictive programming for what's

650
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,719
happening in South Africa now or something. I don't know,

651
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,280
but it just it was such a contrast from the

652
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,920
first movie, which is bound to happen with a huge

653
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,920
series and Tom Cruise is getting pretty old. I saw

654
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,639
an interview with Jimmy a clip from Jimmy Fallon, and

655
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,519
I thought this was pretty good. He said, so what's

656
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,960
the movie about? And he said, well, there's a mission

657
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,800
and it's impossible, so that's that's the movie.

658
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: Well, I forgot too on that crypto point when we

659
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,360
watched the previous one that the Haley Atwell character she

660
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,719
gets paid in crypto, and Tom Cruise mentions a four

661
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,880
million dollar cryptocurrency payment that's going to be given if

662
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,719
she's able to give that key to Gabriel, And I'd

663
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:16,199
forgotten that Phineas freak. He's a cyberpunk, cyber techno, cyber

664
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:19,920
pagan type of guy. And that's also the ethos from

665
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,599
which bigcoin comes, right, So bitcoin comes from the cipher

666
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,320
punks who were you know, like a Songe and Adam

667
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,519
back and these characters who were basically a kind of

668
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,719
being Raim's character in reality. And at the beginning of that,

669
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,960
when you had Simon Peg decoding the cylinder cipher, which

670
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,440
I liked, I thought that was really cool to go

671
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:44,480
this route of like ancient cryptography, because cylinder ciphers go

672
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,239
back to like Julius Caesar, they had those back then

673
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,360
and in order to you know, open messages for the

674
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,840
king or whatever Dan Brown likes to use, yeah, Dan

675
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,360
Brown type stuff. And I thought it was going to

676
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,159
go in the direction of Dan Brown, given the fact

677
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:03,039
that we had the rabbit's foot being what you think

678
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,320
is this anti god If you remember in the Dan

679
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,400
Brown stories Anti matter is like the anti god and demons,

680
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,880
Angels and demons, you know that that. Yeah, it's like

681
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,320
a CERN thing, but I like that it ended up

682
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,920
being AI and not some stupid bioweapon or something from CERN.

683
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: Well, it was kind of a combination of the two

684
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,960
because because the way that the entity was presented on

685
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,480
the film. In the film was like you were looking

686
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,159
into the CERN into the Hadron collider.

687
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: That's it.

688
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an eye, but it was also it

689
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,880
just also had a very lucive, you know, Satan tempting

690
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,719
Christ sort of air to it, because we see he's tempted,

691
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,719
he's offered everything in the world, he's offered complete control.

692
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:49,000
We see all these sort of uh he says, there's

693
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,400
infinite possibilities, so we almost see like a kind of

694
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,199
multiverse floating in front of him.

695
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,199
Speaker 2: He also to do that he die, He essentially dies.

696
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:57,960
He goes into a.

697
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,079
Speaker 3: Coffin, and the the way that he is inducted into

698
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:05,800
this sort of thing is like as almost you and Cameron.

699
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: I mean, he's electro shocked into it.

700
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like we were talking about mk Ultra

701
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:13,599
when he got into the matrix coompod there. Yeah, so

702
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,280
it is another resurrection motive the Sarcophagus.

703
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, with an Egyptian, a black Egyptian of city,

704
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,199
and a pharaoh mask. Well.

705
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: One other side note that I didn't remember they brought

706
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,079
this up in part two, but in Dead Reckoning when

707
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,679
I went back and watched it, Gabriel is hidden by

708
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,639
the AI when Tom came is wearing those Google glasses

709
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:43,119
in the airport. And that's interesting because I had just

710
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on Friday's Last Friday's Lord Voldemort. I went into the

711
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Ray Kurtzwild book where he talks about how when this

712
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:54,079
AI rolls out and virtual reality rolls out, especially if

713
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:56,599
it becomes nanotech, he says, the danger is that the

714
00:37:56,639 --> 00:38:01,159
AI will be able to interfere and inter seed incoming

715
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,639
signals and control what we actually perceive. And he says

716
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,920
that's the big danger because then it's total mind control.

717
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,719
And it vibed perfectly with what was in Dead Reckoning,

718
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:17,559
And then they recalled that in regard to this matrix

719
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:21,679
scenario when Tom Koom goes into this sort of matrix pod.

720
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Speaker 3: You know, I just I just realized this movie is

721
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,920
in many ways almost the exact same plot as Oblivion

722
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,960
because the sarcophagus comes down, there's an entity. Instead of

723
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,840
multiple agents coming after you, it's just you know, their clones.

724
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:46,559
And then the sort of like the DARPA bot drone,

725
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,559
the Hunter Killer drones coming after you. There's a kind

726
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,840
of resistance. There's who lives in an underground base in

727
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,639
the film. But you're right, Tom Cruise does a lot

728
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:58,599
of these types of movies.

729
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,639
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me know that Edge of Tomorrow

730
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,679
where he does a similar sort of fight with an

731
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,880
archontic demiurge Oblivion. He fights the Demiurge and then you

732
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:15,159
I think you got similar themes here. But if you

733
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,960
remember when the AI reveals itself with something Jamie pointed

734
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,440
out yesterday, it's when they're at the techno where at

735
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,480
the rave, but they're in a church. It's a it's

736
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,000
a it's a rave instead of a giant it's like

737
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:31,039
Saint Mark's cathedral. M do you remember that in Dead

738
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,400
Reckoning when the AI when they have the meeting, when

739
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,679
they're all parties are gathered and they're at this giant rave,

740
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,320
it's at like a giant cathedral. So it's in a tuit.

741
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,199
It's a religious the god of the from within, that

742
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,360
the day of sex Machina is revealing itself at this

743
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:47,840
church and raves.

744
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Speaker 5: And techno is part of the cyberpunk culture that all.

745
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: This case exactly. Yes, that replaced relaced computer music.

746
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:56,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they bring you the New God.

747
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the major cave rave right. Yeah, yeah, it's

748
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,960
the Church of the Future is essentially.

749
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Speaker 2: What Well, doesn't it make sense?

750
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the movie really does hint on

751
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,559
the fact that. And there's that one line when he's

752
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,880
in the in the in combat when he's finding the

753
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,760
guy and he says, you know, stay off the internet,

754
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,039
or or get off the Internet or something like that.

755
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,039
I didn't catch at the very beginning. He said something

756
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:32,880
about multiple personalities in the very.

757
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,079
Speaker 2: Start of the film. But it makes sense, you know,

758
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:37,880
with the.

759
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Speaker 3: With the just theologically speaking, that the anti Christ seems

760
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,880
that I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, but

761
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:50,960
if the.

762
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Speaker 2: Antichrist, if the anti Christ, you know, were.

763
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:59,559
Speaker 3: To come soon or something, and if just say in

764
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,159
terms of we're watching a movie and that's emblematic of

765
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:04,079
the way that it is, then wouldn't it make sense

766
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:08,199
that the you know, you've talked about the new religion

767
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,320
and the sort of religion of AI and people worshiping

768
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,719
some sort of entity, some sort of spiritual entity from AI,

769
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:19,719
and it would make sense that the Antichrist is not

770
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:25,760
a created being. It's a simulation or some sort of

771
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,000
inversion or perversion of an entity that arises out of

772
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through technology.

773
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Speaker 1: I think that in the Orthodox tradition, we do believe

774
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,400
that there will be a person who ends up being

775
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:41,320
the final Antichrist, but it certainly could include an antichrist

776
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,000
be system that definitely utilizes the synthetic and utilizes AI

777
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,360
for you know, large skill tracking and tracing and control.

778
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,119
That's definitely on the table, I'm sure. But I mean,

779
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:58,079
I think the you know that I wanted to ask

780
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,519
you a question because I just remembered that in the

781
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,119
in the film when it says multiple personality, what was

782
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,320
that in reference to? Was it Tom Koumbe giving exposition?

783
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:11,599
Speaker 2: I think so. I think it was a reference to.

784
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: It was part of right it had multiple personalities.

785
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a reference to AI, and it was

786
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,000
a reference to the fact that you're what you were

787
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,719
just talking about with your vision of people changes, so

788
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,719
we see a person that ends up being a different

789
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,199
person that that you're tricked into scene. But also that's

790
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,599
a common theme throughout all of Mission Impossible. That was

791
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:34,400
pretty predictive and revelatory, I think with it wasn't face swap,

792
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,920
it was literally latex mask. And when the first movie

793
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,800
came out, that seemed very fantastical. It seems like something

794
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,760
that was just only in a movie could never happen.

795
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,559
But now we see that that's probable in a lot

796
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,159
of cases. I mean, I saw a picture of Tyler

797
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,960
Perry the other day with or whoever's inside of Tyler

798
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,840
Perry at this picture clearly with a line with a

799
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,519
line here where it was a different person inside of media.

800
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,880
Inside of Tyler is like four layers of people wearing

801
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,400
a lab.

802
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I think the yeah I remember now

803
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,519
it's when Tom's explaining at the beginning, I guess for

804
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,840
the benefit of the boomer audience who doesn't remember the

805
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,320
rest of the Mission Impossible series, he's explaining that this

806
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,400
AI has basically become a kind of a deity. It's

807
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,880
the Lord of Lies he calls it later on, but

808
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000
he says it's multiple personalities because it can be anyone

809
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:31,719
anywhere and change and you know, morph into whatever. So

810
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,519
it's kind of the superspy, right, the AI is kind

811
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:36,880
of the super spy because it's like, you know, playing

812
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,239
sixty six dimensional chess. It's way ahead of you. So

813
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,280
you get this determinism theme versus free will theme that's

814
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,920
always been in the series. And this was this was

815
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,360
another thing that Tom Komb loves to sort of pioneer

816
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,360
in his films. This was in Oblivion and it was

817
00:43:54,360 --> 00:44:02,519
in the Edge of Tomorrow. There we go, we lost him,

818
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,800
we lost you again, but you're back now. So in

819
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,800
Edge of Tomorrow, right, he's caught in this cyclical you know,

820
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Groundhog Day loop, but he's fighting this alien entity that

821
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,400
traps you in this prison and you got to figure

822
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,920
out the way to you know, undo this matrix that

823
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,039
you're in. And it's a very gnostic theme. I would

824
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:28,800
add that Esoteric Hollywood three has an analysis of Oblivion,

825
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,880
Edge of Tomorrow, the entire Mission Impossible series, except for

826
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,360
this one because it just came out and I'd already

827
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,360
finished the book. So Mission Impossible and all these Tom

828
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,679
Cruise films, including Vanilla Sky, are all in Esoteric Hollywood three.

829
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,679
You can get signed copies in terms of pre orders

830
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,559
at the website. Right now if you sign up. But

831
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,039
what do you make of the cyclical sort of breaking

832
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:56,159
free from the determinist scheme which is mentioned many times

833
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:59,400
in Final Reckoning Because it is not written, it is written,

834
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,760
it is not re right. So code is written. Phineas

835
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,360
Freak writes code that ends up being kind of the

836
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:11,480
defeater for the code of the determinism that the AI

837
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:16,920
wants to enforce to upset free Will. Tom Cruise, of course,

838
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,519
is the agent of chaos, the incarnation of chaos, she

839
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,440
calls him. And so he represents this freedom, this rebellion,

840
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,519
this revolution. He will always fight for freedom. Phineas Freak's

841
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:29,760
final line is, we are the masters of our own fate.

842
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,239
What do you make of the determinism free will stuff

843
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,079
in terms of the world of spycraft and AI and tech.

844
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: Well, I think that it transcends the spy tech and.

845
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 3: Espionage and films because it's an archetypal theme. I mean,

846
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:52,679
it's even The final line from Phineas is a reference

847
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,559
to William Arnest Tenley, probably my distant cousin, who wrote

848
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,559
the poem Invictus, which is, you know, I'm the master

849
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,119
of my fate. I'm the Captain of my soul. One

850
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,079
thing that always bothers me in these films is the

851
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:09,679
fact that they are clearly fighting against their fated life,

852
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,000
like it's written, everything here deterministic, you have no choices.

853
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,679
But then they conflate that at the end by saying

854
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,920
they they think that fate is somehow different from destiny,

855
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:23,920
and so then they say, but you're the master of

856
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,519
your destiny, which is the same thing. And we can

857
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,559
see this sort of this sort of dichotomy happening all

858
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,159
the way back into Anglo Saxon literature. There are two

859
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:36,440
of the earliest English poems are called The Wander and

860
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,840
the Seafarer. They're around the time of Beowulf, and Beowulf

861
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,760
struggles with this about and we see these in these

862
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,800
two narrative poems because and many scholars think that it

863
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,199
would be two people, two different people, who wrote the poems,

864
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:54,440
because three quarters of these narrative poems are about fate

865
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,920
and how for instance, the Viking never feels at home.

866
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,920
When he's home, he wants to be out on the sea,

867
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,159
and when he's out on the sea, he wants to

868
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,719
be home with his family. It's the ubi sunt motif

869
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,280
where those who have gone before there's mutability, everyone's gone.

870
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,360
But then at the end of the poem there will

871
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,920
be an explicit Christian blessing or a discussion of the

872
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,360
way that God controls the world and sets the planets

873
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,840
in motion. Beowulf begins like this because it begins with

874
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,360
where Grendel comes from. Grendel comes from a cane spawned

875
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,599
from Kane, So it gives a biblical notion to do

876
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,440
you know, it describes Genesis that talks about this, but

877
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,360
then Beowulf becomes this sort of agent of fate. But

878
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,639
in reality, I think that that sort of sets the

879
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:46,760
stage for an archetypal motif throughout literature and film, because

880
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,360
really the poems were written at a time where if you.

881
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,119
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Speaker 3: It wasn't a monk who found an old Anglo Saxon

899
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,719
pagan poem and then added something to it. It was

900
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,280
just at the convergence, at the crossroads of where Europe

901
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,519
was becoming Christianized. So at eight hundred and one thousand

902
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:02,400
and eight hundred two about one thousand and a d

903
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,719
you have these people who have lived in a pagan

904
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,880
world and they've moved this mass migration of pagan people,

905
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,719
and they have all this stuff and culture and then

906
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,000
but now they've been Christianized, so they're trying to make

907
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,519
sense of how their world is supposed to be in language,

908
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,519
and we're still sort of dealing with that all the

909
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:23,159
way to now. When you watch films, you know, you

910
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,480
can't have, you know, is my perspective. I guess you

911
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:32,320
can't have people who rebel against being an agent of

912
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,519
fate but then still believe they are destined to do

913
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,400
the thing because it's written it's you have free will

914
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,960
and you make choices, and that's part of the freedom

915
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,159
that we're given by God. So the thing is you

916
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:51,519
you either are in this journey and things you do,

917
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:56,760
things that glorify Christ, or you are a slave to fate,

918
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,960
and that's sort of where the conflict comes.

919
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,079
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, that's exactly the line of that I was.

920
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:03,559
I was hoping you would go into some of the

921
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:08,679
literary tradition on that, because in terms of tech, the

922
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,119
reason I mentioned spies is spies obviously are important in

923
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:14,679
the history of literature more recently, the last you know,

924
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:18,320
one hundred and thirty years of literature with you know,

925
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,079
we cover The Secret Agent by Conrad on my channel

926
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,280
not too long ago, because it's not technically the first

927
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,960
by a novel, but it's one of the earliest of

928
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:34,280
you know, modern literary spy novels, and spy stuff actually

929
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,000
comes to dominate society in modernity in ways that most

930
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:41,239
people don't even know now, I know, you know, our

931
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,800
audience knows this. But computers themselves come out of the

932
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,719
spy world. They come out of arpenet ways to engage

933
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,800
in cryptographic communication that can't be intercepted by the other party,

934
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,360
by the enemy, by other states, AI and all of

935
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,519
the supercomputers that we have that comes out of the

936
00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:05,280
NSA and the Cold War. You have people like William

937
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,800
Bennie that Richard Grove has done many interviews and documentaries

938
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,239
with Benny talking about how the NSA and AI really

939
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,119
you know, congealed out of the Cold War and a

940
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:16,960
lot of the stuff that he did for the NSA

941
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:22,480
back in at that time and at that era of

942
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:24,880
the Cold War. Benny talks about how it was all

943
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,960
about the notion of freedom versus slavery. And what's funny

944
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,920
is that even a film like Dead Reckoning, Final Reckoning,

945
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,719
even that still harkens back to the Cold War. You

946
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,880
have the presence of the Russians in the film being

947
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,920
this potential villain. You have these you know, old you know,

948
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:47,239
number stations and Soviets sonar sites all over the globe

949
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,840
that are very important for the the final sequence and

950
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,440
the idea I think being that well, we have to

951
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,119
get past our you know, nationalist you know limitations, and

952
00:51:58,159 --> 00:51:59,800
we've got to have this new future. We got to

953
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,079
shape hands. If you notice that kept coming up where

954
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:04,960
Tom Cruise kept offering his hand. Let's be friends. We've

955
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,840
got to trust each other. We'll never get out of this.

956
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,079
The AI is the one that's dividing us and keeping

957
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:13,719
us separated. We got to work together. So a potential

958
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,119
sort of global esteem there. But last thing I want

959
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:20,280
to say on this was that also, as we said,

960
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:25,400
spies come out, the world of spycraft is also an

961
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,719
imprisoning world. If you remember back to Secret Agent right,

962
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,079
which is kind of a dark satire Verloc, who is

963
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,280
the sort of the main tragic character. Verloc is a slave.

964
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,760
He's handled by these people that have dirt on him

965
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,039
and have controlled him. His handlers have controlled him his

966
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,159
former foreign government for the last thirty forty years of

967
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:52,519
his life. Tom Cruise is Ethan Hunt, the recruit who

968
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:56,599
is also he has handlers, the CIA, the NSA, right,

969
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,559
the people above him, the Director of National Intelligence. Spies

970
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:03,679
are not three people. Grace goes from the world of

971
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,760
organized crime and thievery to becoming now handled by the

972
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,159
IMF and that's her only option. So there's this within

973
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:16,880
the notion of the spy itself is the denial of

974
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:22,199
his freedom and being owned by some master, some superstate,

975
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:30,559
some clandestine organization. And likewise, the world of cryptocurrency also

976
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,760
comes out of the crypto spy world as well, and

977
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:38,000
we just don't even like. The spy world sets the

978
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:41,000
stage for where the world goes, and we most of

979
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,239
us don't even see that. A lot of the gadgets

980
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,000
of James Bond, that Q you know, shows us becomes

981
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,880
normal technology twenty thirty years later. So the spy world

982
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,039
is really telling us the future ahead of time.

983
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,679
Speaker 2: And then well there's a reason why I'm sorry, go ahead.

984
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 5: Well they were contrasting that with now you can't trust

985
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,199
the digital stuff.

986
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: The entity was gonna make AI fake news of everything

987
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,119
in history, so you can't trust the internet now.

988
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 5: He was even using Morse code and all the like

989
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,199
throwbacks of like classic spies.

990
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: They had to use old tech. That's right.

991
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:19,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had everything analog and then he had put

992
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:21,320
it away in his brain. He'd remember the coordinates to

993
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,239
this place. There's a reason why Tom Cruise spends a

994
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,079
lot of the film in handcuffs because he's he's shackled

995
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:30,760
like that, you know, whenever he and that happens throughout

996
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,199
all of the films, whenever he's transported from one place

997
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,559
to another. I mean, that was one of the major

998
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:37,519
plots of Mission Impossible three, that he's constantly in the

999
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:40,480
back of a black van or a suburban and he's

1000
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:44,760
constantly having to escape from his own people. And that

1001
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,599
I think ties into certainly the history of espionage with

1002
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,480
the esoteric and the occult. I mean, the you know,

1003
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,719
you've talked about the way that, for instance, the mob

1004
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,480
and the world of spot sort of work hand in

1005
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:05,400
hand because of Omerta. So there's a built in code

1006
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,519
of silence and secrecy with that, and these intelligence people

1007
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,679
become sort of dark monks. I mean, you remember the

1008
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:19,440
you remember the Elizabeth movie where Francis Walsingham, who's you know,

1009
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,639
the great father of English spycraft, is constantly pictured with

1010
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:26,199
these people who are they look they either are literal

1011
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,360
monks or they're dressed like monks and mixed in with

1012
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:35,320
even going back to the templars, there's a the way

1013
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,039
that the system works with money and with moving people

1014
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,000
around and with you know, the global world at the time,

1015
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:43,440
and with war with war is mixed in with the

1016
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:48,079
warrior monk class that like you were just saying, with

1017
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,280
with spies, the trade off seems to be to the

1018
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,400
average person that these are people who give up their

1019
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,960
lives for their country, but in reality it seems that

1020
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:02,559
they are selling over their and everything that they care about.

1021
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,960
So even Tom Cruise, I don't remember if it's admission

1022
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,920
impossible or in Night and Day he did that other

1023
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,639
movie Night and Day with Cameron Diaz where they go

1024
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,519
to his house and they're talking to his parents and

1025
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:15,400
his parents think that he's dead. He can't even talk

1026
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,519
to his parents. He has no family, no friends, His

1027
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:23,239
wife is compromised in part three, so near the closest

1028
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,800
thing is for him to take care of his team,

1029
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,239
but that's all he has, so there is there's nothing

1030
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,639
personal and sacred to the people that are involved in this.

1031
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,440
Like you said, they're completely shackled by their secrecy.

1032
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: I was wond or two and I just don't remember

1033
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,800
the detail. Do we not see Tom Cruise at the

1034
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,360
end with Dominique Monaghan because she had moved on or

1035
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,880
was it simply because everyone around him is in danger?

1036
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:54,480
Why do we not see him back with his wife.

1037
00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:59,159
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't I don't know.

1038
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,159
Speaker 1: Well it soon I think Fallout or the one after

1039
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,400
where they go to that u N encampment and he's

1040
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,519
having that fight with the with the British Depopulation advocate

1041
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,079
and you know, she's working as a un AID worker

1042
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:17,960
and they have this conversation about you know, oh I

1043
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:21,679
missed you, blah blah blah, and then I think she's

1044
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,719
moved on, like she's got a new dude, and he

1045
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,400
realizes it's not fair to her to, you know, for

1046
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,800
him to pop up every five years and be like,

1047
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,480
you know, hey, let's get late or then see you

1048
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:33,880
know what I mean, Like he wants her to have

1049
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,360
a life, and so I think maybe that's the explanation.

1050
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: It's also one of the themes that occurs in all

1051
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:41,840
the Spy movie I mean Spy Game with Brad Pitt

1052
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,440
and Robert Redford is partly about that. The Ray Fines

1053
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:48,960
movie where they're dealing with the v I r Us

1054
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:54,280
in Africa. Remember the constant Gardner deals with that, you know,

1055
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,719
the people that are in this life can only be

1056
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,000
with other people in the life.

1057
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,079
Speaker 2: And like in black back bag exactly.

1058
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,079
Speaker 3: You can't even trust the person you're with is not

1059
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:08,239
going to sell you out for the greater thing, like

1060
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:10,280
like in Bond with Em you know, with his with

1061
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,000
his his mother and his daddy state he has no

1062
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:16,880
family anymore, and they they are his family. He's taking

1063
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,320
his childhood, he's taken away. Turning, of course, it turns

1064
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,159
out like an Austin Powers that his uh, his brother

1065
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,239
is the Lucifer character.

1066
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: That they adopted.

1067
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,679
Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of speaking of Austin Powers, probably

1068
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:32,159
the best spy movie with Tom Cruise is in gold Member.

1069
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:34,400
You remember at the beginning of the film when he's

1070
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,280
playing he's playing the He's playing the Austin Powers character

1071
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:42,320
in the movie. Within the movie, Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise,

1072
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:47,559
Tom Cruise plays Mike. He plays Mike Myers parachuting into the.

1073
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:56,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would say too. Last couple of thoughts,

1074
00:58:56,639 --> 00:58:59,199
I mean, I think the the idea of AI becoming

1075
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,880
sentient is kind of stupid. I'm kind of tired of that.

1076
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,519
I think, you know, we got that with Skynet and

1077
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:10,119
we know that Terminator. There was actual consultation between DARPA,

1078
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:14,920
the Pentagon and Kathleen Kennedy and Gaye Anne heard different

1079
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,639
people involved in the later Terminators. Not so much the

1080
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:21,039
first one, which is kind of a almost kind of

1081
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:24,360
an independent film that was a Neil Nowak classic. But

1082
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,960
by the time we got Terminator Too and James Cameron

1083
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,719
and working and talking to the Pentagon, I think we

1084
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,280
were getting more and more revelations of, you know, actual

1085
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,719
plans and possibilities of where AI might go in terms

1086
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:40,960
of depopulation and it being programmed. And in that series

1087
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:45,519
with Skynet, we had the joining of Ben Witherington with

1088
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,880
the AI to be the sort of savior figure that

1089
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,840
the one that had Christian Bale. I forget where it

1090
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,480
went after that, because they got they got really, really

1091
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,800
bad by the time of the last one, with Arnold

1092
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,840
basically being a guy like the the T eighty eight

1093
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,280
hundred becomes a blind salesman. He sells blinds and he's

1094
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:11,079
he's like cock. Yeah, his name is Carl, Carl, Carl,

1095
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:15,559
the cock who sells blinds. It was crazy, but you know,

1096
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,920
to just to round it out with the idea of

1097
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,760
AI becoming sentient, you're never going to get code that

1098
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,000
comes alive alive. I think that's really stupid, But I

1099
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:27,119
do think you could have the potentiality of you know,

1100
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:33,480
anti natalist depop agenda people, you Malthusians who do want

1101
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:38,280
to program AI to perhaps depop something like we see

1102
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:43,239
in you know, Avengers or Winter Soldier. You have that

1103
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,480
scene that theme going on in those films. That's definitely

1104
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:49,639
a possibility, but not not what we see with like

1105
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,480
AI coming alive or something like that.

1106
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,679
Speaker 3: But well, I think that this all has the veneer

1107
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,440
the scam, the veneer of like a scam the way

1108
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,679
that it's sold to the public now, because like you

1109
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:03,280
were saying, there's this narrative, there's this ultra narrative now

1110
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:08,679
that is completely infiltrated every aspect of advertising and everything

1111
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:12,760
else that you see where it's coming. It's the greatest thing.

1112
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,159
It knows more than you know, so there's nothing you

1113
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:18,239
can do about it. You know, this stuff about like

1114
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,840
I don't know about the Nvidia chips or whatever, but

1115
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,440
the new Nvidia spine that they have, which has you know,

1116
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:27,239
millions and billions of terabytes in it and has all

1117
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,239
the computing power of anything in the world and all

1118
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:32,320
that kind of stuff, it just seems like it's a

1119
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,199
narrative that's sold to people so that they will begin

1120
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,159
to doubt their own abilities and doubt the future and

1121
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:41,960
possibility of what humans can do. And no matter what,

1122
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:46,920
you can't get past the point that the the DARPA,

1123
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,920
you know, the alphabet inc. DARPA bots or whatever, the

1124
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,400
dancing robots. It's like Sam said, it looks like the

1125
01:01:56,239 --> 01:01:59,159
video is the product. It looks like there are no

1126
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,840
bots that could go into your house and they don't

1127
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,360
have dexterity. You're not going to have bots, you know,

1128
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,760
fixing the telephone lines when it takes ingenuity and dexterity

1129
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,519
to do those things. Maybe you know, we could, of course,

1130
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,639
we'll continue to have robots building cars and stuff, and

1131
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:18,519
we'll have computing power, but in turn and we'll have

1132
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:21,679
a room up. But in terms of you know, mistaking

1133
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:23,559
that for a human being, it seems at the very

1134
01:02:23,639 --> 01:02:24,840
least very far off.

1135
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:29,199
Speaker 5: Well, it'll just have its cult members doing everything for it.

1136
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: I mean, self checkout doesn't work.

1137
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,159
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I know, I wish this go ahead.

1138
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,199
Speaker 2: It's just I think also that might be part.

1139
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: Of the psyop here, which is that the more you

1140
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,719
put your faith into technology, the more at the moment

1141
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:49,559
where you need it the most. The Internet crashes or

1142
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:52,159
the self checkout doesn't work, you can't get your food.

1143
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:54,239
You still got to wait for the boomer lady like

1144
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,599
in charge of self checkout to come and swipe the

1145
01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:57,880
key so you can get your food.

1146
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:01,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wish that explore a little bit more of

1147
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:04,239
the doomsday cult that this film mentioned, But maybe they

1148
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,920
didn't care about it because they had already had sort

1149
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:13,119
of cult aspect with the Apostles in the previous installments

1150
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:18,519
before seven or eight. But yeah, I think overall it

1151
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:21,239
was an enjoyable series. Like you, I watched some of

1152
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,920
the old ones maybe when I was a kid, and

1153
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,480
I always liked Get Smart. You know, I grew up

1154
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,079
watching Get Smart as a kid, so even the the

1155
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,800
goofy comedic side of the spy world was something I

1156
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,920
always enjoyed. And Mission Impossible, like he says, maybe more

1157
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,559
relatable to Americans because it's you know, Ethan Hunt's an American,

1158
01:03:40,639 --> 01:03:44,920
and you get this US sort of propaganda element going

1159
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:45,480
on in it.

1160
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:49,199
Speaker 5: But I was wondering about what it's like for like

1161
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:51,719
a Russian to watch an American movie or a Chinese

1162
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:52,800
or something.

1163
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,679
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure they see the propaganda in it, right?

1164
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 5: Why am I always the villain?

1165
01:03:56,039 --> 01:04:01,519
Speaker 1: Always the villain? Yeah? But anyway, Yeah, so I'm I

1166
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:03,840
wonder if it really is the end of the series.

1167
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,920
You know, these series tend to they like to milk

1168
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,239
things and they like to do you know, spin offs,

1169
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,960
they like to do you know, retro like origin stories.

1170
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,960
So what's Ethan, you know Hunt's origin story. You know,

1171
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:19,079
let's go back and do that. So yeah, we might

1172
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:20,760
get spin offs. I don't know, but.

1173
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the end of the series only

1174
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,039
because Tom Cruise is the creative controller of the whole thing,

1175
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,559
and I think that it's not something that is I mean,

1176
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:34,960
it's like it's like you remember when he had that

1177
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,960
Act of Congress where they took away the He and

1178
01:04:39,159 --> 01:04:43,599
Christopher Macquarie, his production partner, had that big thing where.

1179
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,519
Speaker 2: It seemed very a very small thing.

1180
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 3: But when you used to watch TVs when they first

1181
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,880
went digital, and they had to transfer from the screen

1182
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,480
wide screen onto the TV, so you're watching the scene

1183
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:57,079
and when the character walks over here, it moves, and

1184
01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:00,719
so there's a the film stock start still look fake,

1185
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,840
like you're watching a home video. And Tom Cruise got

1186
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,039
that pushed through and got it banned in Hollywood, so

1187
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:09,679
that it keeps the integrity of the film stock. So

1188
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:12,320
when you're moving the films the film, the way the

1189
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:13,719
film looks is still the same.

1190
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: It's not just letterbox.

1191
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,039
Speaker 3: But it's small things like that or at you know,

1192
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,679
with the surround sound, the fault setting on the surround sound,

1193
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,079
or when you're streaming. I think those are important things

1194
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:25,199
that sort of convey the fact that he has could

1195
01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:28,280
creative control over this and it won't turn into just

1196
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,199
another money grab because he has no reason for a

1197
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,280
money Everything in his career kind of shows that he

1198
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,199
has no reason for a money grab. All the things

1199
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:36,960
that he does already they already sort of turned to

1200
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,679
gold anyway, so he sort of seems to be sort

1201
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:40,199
of above that.

1202
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't.

1203
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, what's your last thoughts on it? Jammy?

1204
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 5: It was pretty sentimental the last part two with all

1205
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,920
the flashbacks and stuff.

1206
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: Another gum up Gucci suit eating you owe me a

1207
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:57,719
Gucci suit?

1208
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:04,239
Speaker 5: Eating Hello, less tears from our hero.

1209
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:08,519
Speaker 1: He was crying a lot of I don't think he

1210
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:10,480
cried in the other ones, did he until now? No,

1211
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:14,920
So like he loses his wife, loses Kerrie Russell, but

1212
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:17,800
he cries when he when he loses ving rings.

1213
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:22,599
Speaker 2: Right, Well, we walked out thinking like, is is this

1214
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,119
is this his epitaph? Like is something wrong with him?

1215
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,480
He's going to go soon? I mean, because this.

1216
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:31,599
Speaker 3: Was really like a final statement, I'm never making a

1217
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:32,239
movie again.

1218
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,079
Speaker 2: But it's just the final part of the series.

1219
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 3: Maybe this is because in his old age he's becoming

1220
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,599
more oversentimental, you know, or with like in Top Gun,

1221
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:42,719
having Val Kilmer in it, and it's sort of well,

1222
01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:45,880
we got to send off literally going to pass away,

1223
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,639
so we're going to have him in the film passing away?

1224
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is he okay?

1225
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1226
01:06:58,199 --> 01:07:02,199
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's move on to The Surfer, which

1227
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,800
we saw in Calabasas when we were on our podcast tour.

1228
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,000
I really enjoyed it. It was not at all what

1229
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:13,000
I expected. I'm glad that I didn't really I sort

1230
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,840
of glanced at the trailer, I didn't pay attention to it.

1231
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,760
So I was raw and fresh to this film, which

1232
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,079
I think this film wants you to just be raw,

1233
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:27,199
fresh and just mystified. It wants you to be thrown

1234
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,880
for a loop, and that's exactly what happened, and I

1235
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:35,559
thought it was amazingly executed. Every aspect of it was

1236
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:41,599
was top notch, especially the cinematography, the storytelling, the acting

1237
01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:44,000
was phenomenal. Everything was top notch. The only thing I

1238
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,920
didn't like was that it was a little too gross

1239
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,039
for me personally. I understand that's sort of the you know,

1240
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,239
the Southern Gothic. I guess you could say that's that

1241
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,599
you can appreciate in the film. It's part of the story,

1242
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:00,960
so I get it a little bit some of us

1243
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,840
a little too gross for me. But before we get

1244
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,440
into the story itself and the symbolism and all that,

1245
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,239
my initial takeaway was that I was glad to be

1246
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,399
mystified and thrown for a loop by a movie without

1247
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:17,720
expecting it. What did you think?

1248
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 5: I still don't know what happened.

1249
01:08:22,199 --> 01:08:25,039
Speaker 1: I think we are supposed to have the vantage point

1250
01:08:25,119 --> 01:08:29,239
of a of a bomb having a fever dream of

1251
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,800
his life, and then we don't really know what's real

1252
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,560
and what wasn't. But that was what made it great.

1253
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 5: Go ahead, well, and you also feel like this happened

1254
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:36,479
to you too?

1255
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,239
Speaker 1: And was that real? R exactly? Yeah? What'd you think?

1256
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:45,520
Speaker 3: BLA, Well, I thought that first of all, we went

1257
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,000
to see it and we were the only people in

1258
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,159
the theater, which was not which was not a shock,

1259
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:54,359
but that was okay because oftentimes really good movies don't

1260
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,880
get a viewing audience in cinema. And I really liked

1261
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,880
and I appreciate that it was an agonal film with

1262
01:09:01,039 --> 01:09:03,920
a with an original story. It was something new, It

1263
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,000
wasn't a prequel, it wasn't a sequel, and it was

1264
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:09,640
it was actually very much like a play. A lot

1265
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,840
of films being made right now are like plays that

1266
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:18,359
are filmed. And it added enough sort of dazzled to

1267
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,800
the movie to make it sort of unplayable in a theater,

1268
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,159
which added a layer to it. There's a small cast

1269
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:29,199
of characters, there's there's really not that much going on

1270
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:31,760
in the film, but there's a lot going on in

1271
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:32,119
one place.

1272
01:09:32,119 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 2: And it's basically a parking lot movie.

1273
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,399
Speaker 3: The whole thing like takes place in a parking lot

1274
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,760
with a beach down down the street. And it was

1275
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:44,239
also both unrelatable and relatable. It was unrelatable because we're

1276
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:46,960
not any of these characters. You know, we're not surfers,

1277
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,960
we're you know, we're not Australian, we're not real estate people.

1278
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:51,439
You know, we're not going to buy a mansion or

1279
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,760
whatever overlooking the sea, you know. But it was relatable

1280
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,279
because it it had aspects of it in terms of

1281
01:09:59,319 --> 01:10:01,520
the inner per personality and the way that the characters

1282
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,159
work with each other that we sort of probably all go.

1283
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: Through at some point in your in our lives.

1284
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 3: You know, when a when a when a guy, especially

1285
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,880
when we're younger and we meet a new group of people,

1286
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,920
that could always be a thing where you're not in

1287
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,880
it or you're in it. And so that was relatable

1288
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,880
in a way. Now it got way way past that

1289
01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:24,560
because it became really a fraternity initiation going to the

1290
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,520
absolute extreme, and it was you know, it resembled a

1291
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,239
bunch of other movies. It resembled like a little bit

1292
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:34,520
of Falling Down, you know with Michael Douglas, a little

1293
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,920
bit of Point Break obviously because of the surfer aspects,

1294
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:38,720
when when he first walks down to the beach, you know,

1295
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,359
that's basically like the part and Point Break where he is,

1296
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:43,279
you know, go back to the valley man, you know.

1297
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, we were making the joke that maybe

1298
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:52,159
Nicholas Cage was actually body having survived the giant wave

1299
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:54,880
at the end of you know, point break.

1300
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he would be No, he would be Roach,

1301
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,640
he would be but Body, I can't handle the cage man.

1302
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:06,279
So Body definitely went. But maybe Roach survived his gunshot

1303
01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:08,760
from Gary Busey and you know, having a sun and

1304
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:13,239
moving to Australia. I thought that the movie was interesting

1305
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:18,479
because the photography of it was perfectly fit the I

1306
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,760
was talking about form and content earlier, and the form

1307
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,159
of the movie, the way that it looks, really conveyed

1308
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:28,159
the content. So we have this and there was a

1309
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:31,920
real you know juxtaposition. We have like a darkness happening

1310
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,399
inside of characters, and it's soaked in sunlight. So it

1311
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:41,800
shows you that this you know, initiation gaslighting manosphere, a

1312
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,039
re Luciferian character doesn't always have to be in darkness.

1313
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,760
It can be in blinding sunlight. And again, a lot

1314
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,000
of it reminded me of weirdly of Narnia, just because

1315
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,319
it deals with the archetypal themes here where you have

1316
01:11:56,359 --> 01:12:00,399
a character who is a real type of Satan care

1317
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:05,199
who's offering things to you that will satiate your appetite,

1318
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:11,560
but your appetite becomes an appetite for destruction, and you

1319
01:12:12,359 --> 01:12:14,960
can't actually find the things that are meaningful to you,

1320
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,840
which our service, you know, and love for someone else,

1321
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,439
and the characters become sort of wrapped up in themselves.

1322
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: But I really liked it. I thought it was an

1323
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,000
interesting film.

1324
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:29,359
Speaker 1: Now to get into the actual story and this is

1325
01:12:29,399 --> 01:12:34,560
just my first glance. Thought I could be wrong because

1326
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,079
there were a lot of details, a lot of pieces

1327
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:39,800
to the puzzle to try to keep up with, and

1328
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,119
I like that puzzle element of it. We keep getting

1329
01:12:42,119 --> 01:12:45,039
clues as to what's actually going on, but we also

1330
01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:47,840
get misdirection that tells us maybe we don't know what's

1331
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:54,159
going on. So we think that Initially we've got this wealthy, divorced,

1332
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:58,960
separated Nick Cage character who's wanting to get this childhood

1333
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,239
home that he had or grew up nearby or whatever

1334
01:13:02,279 --> 01:13:06,279
that he always liked. And he's not based in Australia,

1335
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:08,319
but he was there when he was young, so he's

1336
01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:10,279
taking his son back there and he wants to impress

1337
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:12,119
his son and show him that hey, this is where

1338
01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:14,760
I served, this is what you need to do, you know,

1339
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:17,159
kind of wanting to lead his son into some form

1340
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:21,279
of manhood to initiate his son into manhood, and his

1341
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:24,239
son is not really interested in surfing as much as

1342
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,159
Nick Cage's. They try to go to this beach and

1343
01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:31,800
it's very territorial. You're not welcome here, get out of here,

1344
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,039
a foreigner, et cetera, and you can't reason with him.

1345
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:38,439
We find out later it's almost kind of a cult.

1346
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:44,279
It's a surf cult gang. And Nick Cage's son disappears

1347
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:48,239
for the next several days, and as Nick Cage tries

1348
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:51,159
to settle this deal in this house, he keeps getting

1349
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,680
distracted and wrapped up in the drama of the parking

1350
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,520
lot of the beach and the cult of surfers on

1351
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,439
the beach, which is, like you said, some form of

1352
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:07,399
corporate red pill manosphere retreat for elites, we think. But

1353
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,840
we start getting clues that maybe Nick Cage isn't all there.

1354
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:18,600
He increasingly does bizarre odd activities and behavior that suggests

1355
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:23,279
perhaps he's just getting you know, heat, you know, sickness,

1356
01:14:23,399 --> 01:14:25,520
or some sort of you know, the sun's getting to him,

1357
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,039
or is he actually dissociative, We don't exactly know. He

1358
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,640
encounters a bomb, the bomb seems to act very odd,

1359
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,119
and then we get other teenagers showing up that also

1360
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:40,520
sort of taunts both the bomb and Nick Cage. Things

1361
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,640
get worse and worse and worse. It starts to turn

1362
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,960
into It kind of reminded me, and it is kind

1363
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:54,760
of a dark comedy as well. The Martin Scorsese film

1364
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,920
from the eighties, the comedy where it just gets it's

1365
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,479
that one Guy's really the comedy No, No, No, that the

1366
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:04,479
characters having like the worst night ever, and it just

1367
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,600
gets worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. Yeah,

1368
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,880
it's a really good dark satire from Scorsese, which he

1369
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:11,640
doesn't do many of.

1370
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 2: But something time, not the one with Rupert Pupkin. It's

1371
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,119
the other one. I know what you're talking about.

1372
01:15:19,319 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: It's escaping mean but anyway, it's reminiscent of that because

1373
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,199
it just gets worse and worse and worse, and they

1374
01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:30,720
keep pushing Nick Cage. You think he's gonna snap, You're

1375
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,319
gonna get pure crage, but you don't get it as

1376
01:15:33,359 --> 01:15:35,600
soon as you think. I know, I'm rambling, but so

1377
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,800
that this is kind of giving the basics of the story,

1378
01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:43,760
and then we get the idea that no, actually this

1379
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,880
is all an initiation for Nick Cage to be let

1380
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:52,239
into this elite retreat, and he doesn't remember signing up

1381
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:59,000
for it because he's so exhausted, and you know, after hours,

1382
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:01,720
that's it after our so it's a lot like after hours,

1383
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,560
and he's basically dissociating, perhaps because of the heat and

1384
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,720
the exhaustion and the lack of water and food, but

1385
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:13,199
we don't know. But my thesis was that Nick Cage

1386
01:16:13,319 --> 01:16:16,239
is the bum. The bum is the real character. And

1387
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,479
you see this when he flashes into the mirror in

1388
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,560
the bathroom when he looks in the rearview mirror of

1389
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,520
the Bum's car, and it's almost like the life that

1390
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,359
the bumb would have had had the bum's son lived.

1391
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,439
He did not live. And there's other things that happened

1392
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:38,800
that let us know that the sun isn't real. The

1393
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,960
sun is never there for the majority of this, even

1394
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,479
though they're supposed to be there to get this house,

1395
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:48,039
and the sun just appears out of nowhere towards the

1396
01:16:48,079 --> 01:16:51,520
third act, riding his bicycle, so that lets us, i think,

1397
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,399
know that this is not a real son. And we

1398
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,439
see the newspaper clipping of the son who had died.

1399
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,720
We know that the bum blames the lead surfer guy

1400
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,319
for killing his dog. So there's all these indicators that

1401
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:12,119
the whole phenomena is the bomb eventually snapping, and that

1402
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:14,920
Nick Cage, as the realtor, is the life that the

1403
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,079
bomb believed that he should have is a sort of

1404
01:17:17,079 --> 01:17:20,479
a dissociative thing, and he was willing to die at

1405
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,000
the end because he had lost his son. I mean,

1406
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,960
that's kind of my thought that I could be wrong

1407
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:25,399
about that.

1408
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:27,520
Speaker 2: I thought it was.

1409
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 3: It reminded me a lot of that movie The Game

1410
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,439
with Michael Douglas, and yeah, that's a great one because

1411
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:38,199
he's put through almost the exact same type of situation

1412
01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:42,039
where everybody around him puts him into this alternate reality

1413
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:44,920
and he starts to question his own sanity. And remember

1414
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,720
that the driving force for that movie was that Michael

1415
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,920
Douglas's character is a successful corporate guy with this kind

1416
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,560
of you know, dualistic brother played by Sean Penn, who

1417
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,239
is free to do anything he wants and it's part

1418
01:18:00,279 --> 01:18:02,720
of a secret society that's going to teach him what

1419
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,279
it means to be human again. And it's all driven

1420
01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:10,079
by the fact that his father had been unalived himself

1421
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:13,199
in front of him at the estate, and so the

1422
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:16,560
rest of the movie is it sort of centers on

1423
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,119
whether he is his own father, whether he's becoming his

1424
01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:23,920
own father. And I think this film kind of I

1425
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,520
went through a similar thing, because I mean when he

1426
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,680
starts to go into the bathroom and like, you know,

1427
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,560
somebody puts a gun up on the thing, and then

1428
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,600
he goes and finds it, and you know, he goes

1429
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,359
all the way down to the depths and he's like

1430
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,680
drinking out of puddles and he's eating rats and all

1431
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,840
this stuff. And then he's living in the subaru, and

1432
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,880
I started to think, you know, is he the bum?

1433
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:45,239
But then I thought, is he both the bum? And

1434
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,039
he is himself? So he sees the so I think

1435
01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:52,640
he is himself, but to others he is a type

1436
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,520
of bum character. And that's sort of what they're They're

1437
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,920
trying to create this sort of insular society where they

1438
01:18:59,319 --> 01:19:04,479
keep the riff rap out, and to them, he it's

1439
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,880
it's worth it to sort of push this thing where

1440
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,760
he doubts his own sanity. He becomes that because he

1441
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,760
may not be that on the outside, but on the

1442
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,159
inside he's certainly that. With his son disappearing when they

1443
01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:17,000
first get there and he walks down with his son.

1444
01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:20,800
You know, the first confrontation he has with the main guy, Scaley,

1445
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,520
he's a Scaley wag is he says to him, you

1446
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,319
know what, look my you know woman, to bust your

1447
01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:30,640
chops in front of your son or whatever. And because

1448
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,760
it's an ultimately, you know, a demeaning thing, and his

1449
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,079
son is already embarrassed to go with him. But when

1450
01:19:36,079 --> 01:19:38,960
his son disappears, that sort of said to me that

1451
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,920
his family has abandoned him. And he's also abandoned his

1452
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,600
family in the in the same way that his father

1453
01:19:48,319 --> 01:19:51,079
abandoned him at the beginning. So is he repeating the

1454
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:54,880
cycle that his father did when he sees this flash

1455
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,159
at the end of the film where he sees his

1456
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:59,720
father sort of on the beach dead. But is this

1457
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,720
a redemption cycle where he is because regardless of anything

1458
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,760
that happens, the film does end with him being initiated

1459
01:20:08,399 --> 01:20:12,960
but then giving you know, he doesn't unlike the other

1460
01:20:13,039 --> 01:20:15,960
guys who are just again trying to feed their appetite

1461
01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:19,520
or who are ultimately self serving, he doesn't do that.

1462
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,079
At the end of the film, he offers to take

1463
01:20:21,119 --> 01:20:24,039
the place of his son, and he's found himself now

1464
01:20:24,079 --> 01:20:29,079
that he is, you know, like like Edmund in the

1465
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:31,479
line of the Witch of the orderbe that uncovering. There's

1466
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,600
not a time his whole life before this where he

1467
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,399
hasn't been totally self serving. Now he's finally thought of

1468
01:20:36,399 --> 01:20:40,000
someone else beside him, besides himself, and that seems to

1469
01:20:40,039 --> 01:20:42,600
save him at the end of the movie. But regardless

1470
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,079
of that, that doesn't disqualify the fact that for most

1471
01:20:46,079 --> 01:20:48,560
of the film, I mean, he essentially is the If

1472
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,479
he isn't the bum already, he becomes it, Yeah, I

1473
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:51,680
mean it.

1474
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: I saw it as a revenge story, as a redemption story,

1475
01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:00,359
because definitely at the end, I think we see, you know,

1476
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,680
the real estate character Nick Cage getting away with his son,

1477
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:10,399
and that's whatever was real or not real with the

1478
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:14,760
bomb who lost his son, that's what he envisioned was

1479
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,880
I want my life with my son where I get

1480
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,680
to surf with him, and that was all taken from me. Yea,

1481
01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:23,279
And either way it is that it's a kind of

1482
01:21:23,279 --> 01:21:26,279
a revenge redemption story. And I like that we were

1483
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:30,600
just sort of led through this this mental maze, you know,

1484
01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:36,199
of hysteria and dementia to that endpoint of redemption at

1485
01:21:36,199 --> 01:21:38,920
the end with the character. I haven't seen a movie

1486
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,279
like that in a long time, and I think you're

1487
01:21:40,319 --> 01:21:40,960
right to liking it.

1488
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 3: To the game, Yeah, it has elements of like of

1489
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,079
Masons or you know, remember the Stone the what are

1490
01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:50,399
they the Stone Masons and the Simpsons, where like the

1491
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,880
Cops are the Masons. Right, everybody is part of the thing,

1492
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,800
and it's very seductive in the movie because at times,

1493
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,000
you know, I don't know if you guys felt this,

1494
01:22:01,039 --> 01:22:03,119
but watching the movie, I kind of felt like, oh,

1495
01:22:03,159 --> 01:22:04,880
you know, maybe these guys aren't so bad at times.

1496
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,800
I mean, they've got a group of it's a group

1497
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,520
of buds. They're they're surfing, they got their little shack.

1498
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,279
It's cool, they're doing what they want to do. And

1499
01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:13,399
then there's a scene where they're they're they're all dressed

1500
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,239
nice and they have their families and they're like, this

1501
01:22:16,279 --> 01:22:18,119
is a part of our thing. But then it goes

1502
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:20,279
wrong when when he gets down there and talks to

1503
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:23,439
them and he figures out that the guy made the

1504
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:28,119
girl have the abration. They eliminated one of the other

1505
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:30,960
guys in the group. They're clearly doing very like Skittle

1506
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,920
stuff when they're together doing this sort of like remember

1507
01:22:35,119 --> 01:22:36,560
remember the ad a few years ago where like the

1508
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,479
women went into the woods and they were like they

1509
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,119
had the sticks and they were like hitting the sticks

1510
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,960
on the ground and screaming, and they were trying to

1511
01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:47,039
like interface with their primal womanhood.

1512
01:22:47,079 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: It was like that but for dudes, and it was

1513
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,199
very weird. Also, what's the deal with like the red

1514
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,479
cape dress thing that they were that the guy was wearing.

1515
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:56,640
It was clearly Satan.

1516
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,159
Speaker 3: I mean he's clearly Yeah, this guy shows up in

1517
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:00,920
a red robe. He clearly Satan.

1518
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:01,199
Speaker 2: You know.

1519
01:23:01,319 --> 01:23:04,359
Speaker 1: Well, when there's the flashback scene, is it not that

1520
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,479
main guy? Is he not there amongst the crowd as well?

1521
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess he's. I guess he's always been there.

1522
01:23:12,079 --> 01:23:14,199
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like I think he was, which

1523
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:17,640
is telling us, like, you know, he's an archetypal character.

1524
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1525
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 3: And I think that these sort of things are seductive

1526
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:29,119
for people in the sense that when you look at

1527
01:23:29,159 --> 01:23:32,119
any authoritarian or any you know, look at the twentieth

1528
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:35,960
century and look at authoritarian movements, one thing that they

1529
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,399
do come down to is the fact that they sell

1530
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,159
themselves on the fact that They want to make life

1531
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,880
safe and peaceful for their people. So they want to

1532
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:47,600
make it so that people can go to the store

1533
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,560
and not get assaulted. They don't get bums, you know,

1534
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,439
hobo demons trying to sell them stuff or ask them

1535
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,279
questions everywhere they go. They want things clean. They don't

1536
01:23:57,279 --> 01:24:00,359
want trash sitting all around. So that's very seductive, but

1537
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:03,399
it depends on what the motivation is and what you

1538
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,920
what you're willing to do for that, and whether it.

1539
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 1: Is you know, to.

1540
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 3: Ultimately, I guess, to serve Christ, or whether this is

1541
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,439
to serve yourself. Uh, and to have this thing where

1542
01:24:15,119 --> 01:24:17,520
you steal this poor guy's surfboard and you're sitting down

1543
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:21,319
there like, you know, what is it, surfer?

1544
01:24:21,359 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 2: What does it? Jamie suffer? Surfer surfer?

1545
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 5: Surfer surfer is suffer.

1546
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, it's like Body's cult turned dark. Right, Body

1547
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:34,439
had a cult.

1548
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 3: Too, and it was like that well Body, Body had

1549
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,039
that whole speech about these people don't understand man driving

1550
01:24:40,079 --> 01:24:41,479
around in their metal coffins.

1551
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,359
Speaker 2: They'll never be in touch that they're true.

1552
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great lie. And uh, I'm pretty sure too.

1553
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,039
You mentions the Federal Reserve too when they're in the van.

1554
01:24:50,199 --> 01:24:53,479
Doesn't body mentioned like they're all being lied to and

1555
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,600
you know they're under the tyranny of the Fella Reserve

1556
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:56,560
and blah blah blah.

1557
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, he's the spiritual leader.

1558
01:24:59,039 --> 01:25:02,279
Speaker 3: He's the you know, who's that? She says, who's that?

1559
01:25:02,279 --> 01:25:04,920
That's body, the bodhisatva. He's a real searcher. What's he

1560
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,680
searching for? The ride the Ultimately, he's a spiritual leader

1561
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,479
for them who in the end wants to converge with

1562
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,640
the fifty year storm, you know, because he can't have

1563
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,319
a lot cage and they're willing to do anything to

1564
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:23,560
come to to finance the ulti you know, the Endless Summer.

1565
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,039
Speaker 1: Like extreme adrenaline ross right.

1566
01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:33,399
Speaker 3: It's interesting because Gary Busey in that film was in

1567
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,560
the Earth what's the Early It wasn't Endless Summer, but

1568
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,680
Gary Busey was in the other surfer movie that that

1569
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,199
movie is taken from when he was in the sixties.

1570
01:25:43,319 --> 01:25:46,199
But yeah, it's another thing where you know, you it's

1571
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:49,800
a it's you get a character Johnny Utah who is

1572
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,439
who comes from a normal place initiates himself into by

1573
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:55,520
the way his first job.

1574
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:59,239
Speaker 2: It's always the first job. It's like Clarice, or it's

1575
01:25:59,279 --> 01:25:59,920
like Long Last.

1576
01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 3: It's the woman's it's the woman's first day on the

1577
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:09,159
job and she, you know, finds the serial. Yeah, but uh,

1578
01:26:09,319 --> 01:26:12,399
I thought this one was good and it I'm always

1579
01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:14,640
stempted to think of something like Mandy with this because

1580
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,159
whenever Nicholas Cage has a sort of freak out, you know,

1581
01:26:18,319 --> 01:26:21,640
and an alternate reality and goes on a I mean

1582
01:26:22,319 --> 01:26:24,880
you have to say, I mean, he did defend himself

1583
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,039
in the movie. He wasn't a simp in the movie

1584
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:30,199
and sort of just taking whatever beating they gave him.

1585
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:32,000
He did defend himself. He punched that guy when he

1586
01:26:32,039 --> 01:26:34,319
went down to the beach, and you know, but all

1587
01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:36,359
the little things in the movie I thought were really great,

1588
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:39,800
like this the watch, you know, just give me a

1589
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,399
drink and the guy's like, well, I need your watch,

1590
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,560
and so now he has. It's this little thing that

1591
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,399
he's tied to. But then everyone else and then the

1592
01:26:46,399 --> 01:26:48,319
people in line behind him are like, I'll pay for it,

1593
01:26:48,319 --> 01:26:50,239
don't worry about it, I got it. And then so

1594
01:26:50,399 --> 01:26:53,520
now that's how everyone in the play season.

1595
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought it was pretty well done.

1596
01:26:57,239 --> 01:27:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I loved it. I want to rewatch

1597
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,039
it and kind of pay it to the clues and

1598
01:27:02,039 --> 01:27:05,199
see where it goes. But thank you for coming on BLA.

1599
01:27:05,279 --> 01:27:08,079
It was a great discussion. I'll upload this and tell

1600
01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:11,960
everybody remind you guys, be sure and follow baselet Analyzer

1601
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:14,439
at his channel. I got him linked in the show description,

1602
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,960
so check him out. He's got a ton of great

1603
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:22,840
analyzes over there, from everything from the Road to Shakespeare

1604
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,119
to Narnia, which is awesome. I've been wanting to do

1605
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:28,760
Narnia two for a long time, so very cool that

1606
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,920
you're getting to it. I'll have to check those out

1607
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,680
and then be sure and follow Jamie over at her

1608
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:38,000
channel as well as she does some breakdowns and finishes

1609
01:27:38,039 --> 01:27:40,119
her book. And Essa de Cali with three will be

1610
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:42,159
out soon. Anything you want to leave us with.

1611
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, thanks for having me. Guys really appreciate it. Yeah,

1612
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,000
everybody go to my channel, baselet Analyzer. I'm doing a

1613
01:27:48,079 --> 01:27:50,640
multi part series on Narnia right now, all seven of

1614
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,159
the Narnia books plus the biographies of C. S.

1615
01:27:53,239 --> 01:27:53,520
Speaker 2: Lewis.

1616
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 3: Then I'm going to do the Space trilogy until we

1617
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,239
have faces, so a lot of CS Lewis so come.

1618
01:27:58,119 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 2: On over for a lot of literary and filming.

1619
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Speaker 1: Alsis all right, Thank you guy so much. Everybody, have

1620
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:03,079
a good night.