Speaker 1: Candidate Your Decision twenty twenty four sty show, a failed
Speaker 1: vice President and a failed administration.
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Speaker 3: It's my distinct pleasure to welcome back to the fifty
Speaker 3: five KARS Morning Show with a heavy heart and call
Speaker 3: condolences from all my listening audience. Congressman Thomas Massey, a
Speaker 3: real pleasure to have you back on, sir, been missing you,
Speaker 3: and of course from my listening audience, my family of
Speaker 3: the yours are sincere, sincere condolences on your loss, sir, welcome.
Speaker 4: Back, Thank you, Brian.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry they're mowing the grass outside my studio right now.
Speaker 2: Hopefully the moor will go back.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 1: My wife, my late wife, she was a big fan
Speaker 1: of yours, and thank goodness she listened to you when
Speaker 1: I didn't, because there were a couple of times in
Speaker 1: the last ten years where you would say, up next,
Speaker 1: Thomas Massy.
Speaker 4: I wasn't even aware I was supposed to be on
Speaker 4: your show.
Speaker 2: God bless it.
Speaker 1: She would call me up Ryan, Thomas thinks you're gonna
Speaker 1: be on his show at five minutes and I'd be
Speaker 1: in DC or something, and you know, all of our
Speaker 1: fail safes failed. Normally we have this down on my
Speaker 1: calendar and staff reminds me. But she was our last
Speaker 1: line of defense, and she really enjoyed your show, really
Speaker 1: enjoyed listening to you, and she would listen to what
Speaker 1: was going on and always let me know what I
Speaker 1: needed to know.
Speaker 3: Oh that's just God bless her, God bless hers. So anyways,
Speaker 3: I can hear the emotion in your voice. I certainly
Speaker 3: understand it. So with that, I will allow you to
Speaker 3: pivot away to something I know you're also emotional about,
Speaker 3: and that's the state of America and the current situation.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to get your reaction on since it's
Speaker 3: been a while since we talked, so much has happened
Speaker 3: between the attended assassination of Donald Trump, of course, the
Speaker 3: coup a tad that was waged against o'biden, Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: now going from an also ran couldn't get a single
Speaker 3: Democrat to vote for to now the best thing that's
Speaker 3: ever happened to the Democrat Party as well as America.
Speaker 3: What's your reaction all there's sort of on a general
Speaker 3: speaking level, and of course you know specifics are welcome
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: Congressman, Well, I got just share a funny story with you.
Speaker 4: This Saturday.
Speaker 1: I went and picked up my raw milk from my
Speaker 1: Amish supplier. And he didn't even know that Joe Biden
Speaker 1: wasn't running for president. And he asked me if it
Speaker 1: was true that Trump had been shot at, And I thought, man,
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 4: That's maybe what bliss is.
Speaker 1: To be so far removed from this craziness.
Speaker 3: Maybe a good a good argument for being a ludite there, Congressman,
Speaker 3: right issue, if you want to be religious about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well then I tried to. He's like, but didn't
Speaker 1: they have an election to elect Joe Biden as their candidate.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but that doesn't matter to them.
Speaker 4: They basically had a coup since then. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really, And he didn't disbelieve any of that. Ask Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 3: is not the same. It's not the first time the
Speaker 3: Democrats have done this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, you know, that's the way I'm characterizing it.
Speaker 1: I don't think he went along quietly with that coup.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it was just so odd that
Speaker 1: he was not making a public appearance and everybody else
Speaker 1: was making this announcement for him that he was no
Speaker 1: longer the candidate. Man, it feels like Banana republic type
Speaker 1: stuff the way they did that.
Speaker 3: I would say, it is Banana republic like stuff they did,
Speaker 3: and then the Democrats don't have any say in it.
Speaker 2: That's what I said earlier in the program. Congressman.
Speaker 3: I asked he that I would love and you know,
Speaker 3: I know it's a dream we've all had from time
Speaker 3: to time. I just would love the climb into the
Speaker 3: heads of the Democrats collectively, just to see what their
Speaker 3: reaction to being left out of the process. I know
Speaker 3: that I personally would want to participate in the primary,
Speaker 3: have some choice in it. And I know personally that
Speaker 3: if you know, I was a Democrat and I can
Speaker 3: put my self in the position of a Democrat understand
Speaker 3: their philosophy from time to time, but not the far
Speaker 3: left socialist come communist wing of the party, which is
Speaker 3: where she came from. I would have gone with a
Speaker 3: Shapiro as opposed to Tima, you know, because he is
Speaker 3: from the far left of the party, so they no
Speaker 3: say the matter none.
Speaker 4: He is from the far left.
Speaker 1: He served in the House of Representatives, so I know
Speaker 1: him from there. And he was a leftist then, but
Speaker 1: he's gone even further left since he left the House
Speaker 1: of Representatives. I think it's interesting they are they're going
Speaker 1: all in. They've already done a press conference where they
Speaker 1: say they want to ban AR fifteen's, you know, they
Speaker 1: want to stop any transfer of firearms between relatives.
Speaker 4: They're going all in.
Speaker 1: They are leaning in on a leftist agenda in this
Speaker 1: campaign now. Is that is the signal they are sending
Speaker 1: to their base. The media will not portray them as that. No,
Speaker 1: the media will portray them as as let's say, normal,
Speaker 1: and us as weird.
Speaker 4: Which is what they're doing.
Speaker 3: They find that so juvenile, weird. You know, name calling
Speaker 3: happens when you don't have any arguments against you know,
Speaker 3: logic and reason and policy and things of that nature.
Speaker 3: Let's just boil it down. We'll just start calling them weird.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: And Jade Vance is one of the most normal people
Speaker 1: in politics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: By the way, he sent me before he was named
Speaker 1: vice the vice president nominee. He he and I text
Speaker 1: back and forth. We are in sync on a lot
Speaker 1: of issues and and and somewhat outside of the Republican
Speaker 1: mainstream Party on some of these issues he and I together, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, opposing our participation in Ukraine. He's been he's
Speaker 1: been strong on that anti war in that respect. But
Speaker 1: he and also he and I also teamed up on
Speaker 1: opposing something called the REPO Act. Now, and let me
Speaker 1: explain what the REPO Act is. Ostensibly, this sounds like
Speaker 1: a great idea. We're gonna we're gonna seize the sovereign
Speaker 1: wealth as assets of Russia that are in the United States,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna take those assets and buy bombs and
Speaker 1: kill Russians with the sovereign assets that Russia has here
Speaker 1: in the United States. Well that's that sounds all good
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. But what are the assets
Speaker 1: that the Russians have in the United States. They are
Speaker 1: treasury bonds. So basically, instead of calling it the REPO Act,
Speaker 1: we should call it the Default Act.
Speaker 4: And JD. Vance is smart enough.
Speaker 1: You know, he was in the investment community after he
Speaker 1: graduated from Yale and served in the military. He was
Speaker 1: I think venture capitalists, and that's another area where you know,
Speaker 1: I was asking venture capitalists for money, went for my
Speaker 1: business when I got out of school, and.
Speaker 4: Raised venture capitals.
Speaker 1: So I'm familiar with that, but he has an understanding
Speaker 1: of money and second order of effects, and he knows
Speaker 1: as well as I know that if you start defaulting
Speaker 1: on your debt to some of the countries that have
Speaker 1: purchased your debt, the price of financing your debt is
Speaker 1: going to go up right, And that is what we
Speaker 1: are seeing people.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like your bond rating going down right correct.
Speaker 1: And we're putting we're pushing it down ourselves. And so
Speaker 1: Great Britain knows we're not going to default on treasury
Speaker 1: notes if they buy some of our treasury notes, but
Speaker 1: China buys some of our treasuries, okay, and if they
Speaker 1: know that as soon as you know, we get in
Speaker 1: a tip for tat over Taiwan, that part of the
Speaker 1: escalation is going to be what we're trying to do
Speaker 1: with Russia, which is default on our debt. Then they
Speaker 1: have to they have to factor that in to when
Speaker 1: they purchase a treasury bond, or they have to factor
Speaker 1: that in the fact that they may not get they
Speaker 1: may not get any money back for it, so that
Speaker 1: causes them to demand higher interest rates.
Speaker 3: Well, why and why would we, I guess arguably shoot
Speaker 3: ourselves in the foot by doing that, because without China
Speaker 3: loaning us money, we can't maintain the current economy. It's
Speaker 3: sone of it. It's just a twisted, twisted state of
Speaker 3: affairs we find ourselves living in.
Speaker 4: Well. And also we got a sweetheart deal.
Speaker 1: When people borrow our money and then we inflate it.
Speaker 1: They we're basically they're getting very little return, if any
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 4: On the on the.
Speaker 3: Don't say that out loud though, because they might quit
Speaker 3: loaning it to it.
Speaker 1: Well, here's and here's the net of all of this.
Speaker 1: It's what what does this mean to your listeners? It
Speaker 1: means that interest rates on your mortgage are going to
Speaker 1: stay high. You know, you'd like to think that the
Speaker 1: Fed has control of this, or a lot of people
Speaker 1: would like to think.
Speaker 4: I'd like to think the Fed should go away. But
Speaker 4: if you if you like.
Speaker 1: To pretend that the Fed is controlling interest rates right now,
Speaker 1: that you would most people would like to see them
Speaker 1: lower them a little bit to get some relief on
Speaker 1: their car loan or on their variable rate mortgage, or
Speaker 1: they're trying to move from one neighborhood to another to
Speaker 1: get a better job. But that would require selling their
Speaker 1: house and getting another mortgage at a higher interest rate.
Speaker 1: There are lots of ways that high interest rates hurt
Speaker 1: the economy, and people are thinking that the FED is
Speaker 1: going to lower interest rates at some point, but the
Speaker 1: reality is they might be able to squeeze it down
Speaker 1: half a percent or a percent, they can't go any
Speaker 1: lower than that because we've already made enough sovereign countries
Speaker 1: their investments skittish enough that they are demanding higher rates
Speaker 1: for our fifteen and thirty year notes. And anyways, Backing
Speaker 1: this all back up, jd Vance recognizes that, and he
Speaker 1: and I have been trying to be vocal about this
Speaker 1: because the REPO Act is very populist notion that people
Speaker 1: are general in favor of, but it's the second order
Speaker 1: effects of it are going to be detrimental to our economy.
Speaker 1: So jd Vance sent me a very nice text about
Speaker 1: Rondo when she passed away, and I sent him a
Speaker 1: note back and told him that his book was an
Speaker 1: inspiration to Ronda and I because we both started in
Speaker 1: eastern Kentucky as we grew up as hillbillies. We were
Speaker 1: raised as hillbillies, and we're still proud hillbillies. But They
Speaker 1: taught us the three rs in Eastern Kentucky, reading, writing,
Speaker 1: and Route twenty three, which you know. And my brother
Speaker 1: and sister both took Route twenty three. They both live
Speaker 1: in Ohio. They went there to get better job opportunities,
Speaker 1: and that sort is the story of eastern Kentucky. But
Speaker 1: my wife and I, you Jade Vance, from very humble beginnings.
Speaker 1: He and he did this using I think a military
Speaker 1: scholarship or something. But he went to Yale and his
Speaker 1: book he talks about the culture shock that he went true.
Speaker 1: And I told JD that my wife and I had
Speaker 1: that very same experience coming from Eastern Kentucky.
Speaker 4: Going to and going to MI.
Speaker 2: I t I imagine.
Speaker 1: I mean, look when I got to Cambridge, Massachusetts, which
Speaker 1: is basically they they are full out socialists there. They're
Speaker 1: not democrats. The first crosswalk I went through on Massachusetts Avenue,
Speaker 1: a car honked at me, and I thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I've been here what four hours, and already run into
Speaker 1: somebody that knows me. So I waved at the car
Speaker 1: that was honking at me, and they were not waving
Speaker 1: back with more than one finger.
Speaker 2: I knew that was coming.
Speaker 3: I just I started laughing before you got to the
Speaker 3: meat of the story.
Speaker 1: But people say, oh, that is not true, and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: not only is that true, it took me a month
Speaker 1: to quit waving at cars because for eighteen years that
Speaker 1: was my instinct. The only reason a car would hank
Speaker 1: it a person is because it's hard to see through
Speaker 1: the windshield for the person, the pedestrian, and that person
Speaker 1: in that car knows the pedestrian and wants to say hi.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: So anyways, I've I've told JD Vance's story got a
Speaker 1: good kick out of it. But I also told him
Speaker 1: that he's appropriated my culture, that I'm the real hillbilly.
Speaker 1: He's from Ohio and I'm his he'll billy cousins he
Speaker 1: spent the summer with.
Speaker 5: In fact, I grew up in a town called Vanceburg.
Speaker 5: Oh how about that, Well, I'll tell you what. Let's pause,
Speaker 5: a Congressman. We will have a couple of minutes when
Speaker 5: we come back. I really want to get into foreign
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Speaker 3: Morning show listener launched Jim and Jacks, the whole bunch
Speaker 3: of people coming, including World War two veteran. We also
Speaker 3: have Jenna Paul Tanner coming up next, and he is
Speaker 3: listening right now. We've already logged into the zoom call
Speaker 3: with the Judge I do at eight thirty, so he
Speaker 3: is listening intently to us speak because you know, Judge
Speaker 3: Napoulton is a huge fan of Congressman Thomas Massey. Pivoting
Speaker 3: over to foreign policy, Congressman Massey, what in the hell
Speaker 3: is going on?
Speaker 4: Well, what is.
Speaker 1: Going on is unconstitutional if they go through with it,
Speaker 1: they're threatening strikes on a sovereign country, Iran, that the
Speaker 1: US would participate in in some form or fashion. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: this requires a.
Speaker 2: Vote that congression of war, declaration.
Speaker 1: Of war clearly in the Constitution. Amen, And it's that simple,
Speaker 1: and they're breaking the constitution. And what really disappoints me
Speaker 1: is there many members of my own party who are
Speaker 1: quite alright with that. I remember a few years ago
Speaker 1: I was in a back room GOP conference where the
Speaker 1: entire caucus of Republicans that are in the House of
Speaker 1: Representatives was meeting, and we were talking about this dilemma
Speaker 1: of what to do with Iran and the war powers
Speaker 1: of Congress, and one of my Republican colleagues got up
Speaker 1: suggested to the speaker that we pre declare war with Iran,
Speaker 1: not that they hadn't done anything yet that would justify war,
Speaker 1: but if we would pre declare war with Iran, then
Speaker 1: if Obama wanted to strike Iran, we wouldn't be getting
Speaker 1: in the way of him doing that.
Speaker 3: What article of the Constitution does that does that clause
Speaker 3: come in to pre declaration?
Speaker 1: Well, I've said, you know, there's a balanced budget amendment
Speaker 1: offered in Congress many years and it's got an exemption
Speaker 1: for war.
Speaker 4: And I said, the problem with this.
Speaker 1: If we make a balanced budget exemption or balance budget
Speaker 1: amendment to the Constitution with an exemption for war, the
Speaker 1: first day of every Congress will adopt a rules package,
Speaker 1: elect a speaker and declare war and like Upper Madagascar
Speaker 1: and rent of someplace to bomb there and be real
Speaker 1: polite about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that's funny, but it's also true. It is
Speaker 3: true true. I mean, look at just used COVID funds
Speaker 3: for example, look at where money for COVID nineteen landed.
Speaker 3: I mean it landed at every place, landed, roads, bridges,
Speaker 3: infrastructure projects, you know, keeping different programs alive that had
Speaker 3: nothing what's over to do with the pandemic or anything
Speaker 3: related to it. It's just been this big cash cow,
Speaker 3: go move kind of product, a thing that's well also
Speaker 3: subject for fraud, waste and abuse. But moving back to
Speaker 3: the military component about and something judged Upaul Atana and
Speaker 3: I have talked about regularly over the years. Authorization for
Speaker 3: use of military force. Isn't that like a declaration of
Speaker 3: war without declaring war? I mean, what the hell is that?
Speaker 3: And how is it that they can last for twenty years?
Speaker 3: We've got some that are still ongoing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they are not They are not constrained or
Speaker 1: defined geographically.
Speaker 4: Like the War on Terror.
Speaker 1: It's basically an open ended, you know, carte blanche permission
Speaker 1: to do anything anywhere on the globe if you can
Speaker 1: invoke the term terror.
Speaker 3: Viking missiles in foreign lands that we have no no,
Speaker 3: no war going on with right.
Speaker 1: And this is why when they bring up these resolutions
Speaker 1: to declare let's say Iran a terrorist nation or North
Speaker 1: Korea a terrorist nation, I vote against them because if
Speaker 1: you take A and you understand B, you get c.
Speaker 4: C is war.
Speaker 1: And if you've got a global war on terror and
Speaker 1: Congress is now denoting more countries as terrorist countries are
Speaker 1: engaged in terrorist activities, then you have almost at that
Speaker 1: point already said we're going to have war with them.
Speaker 1: But we need to we need to end all of
Speaker 1: the au mfs, and we need to go back to
Speaker 1: declaring war. The other problem with an au m F.
Speaker 1: When you declare war, there needs to be an objective,
Speaker 1: and then you need to be all in and give
Speaker 1: your military the tools to get the job done and
Speaker 1: tell them when they get to come home, what the
Speaker 1: object you know, and they achieved certain objectives, what those
Speaker 1: objectives are?
Speaker 4: We don't do that anymore.
Speaker 3: Heaven forbid. We would actually have a clearly defined objective. Well,
Speaker 3: and you know, real quick here I must observe as
Speaker 3: I see war unfolding. I see now the Iranians are
Speaker 3: supplying drones. Iranians have longer range missiles which have accuracy,
Speaker 3: whereas it used to be the scud type missile. It's
Speaker 3: just sort of got launched like a bottle rocket and
Speaker 3: landed everywhere they wanted. They have all kinds of sophisticated technology. Hell,
Speaker 3: they're just a step or two away from getting a
Speaker 3: nuclear weapon. They view us as the terrorist, right and
Speaker 3: if they decide that some individuals responsible for the death
Speaker 3: of some other individual in Iran or some member of
Speaker 3: their military forces, I mean, we seem to be a
Speaker 3: moment in time away from just some missile coming out
Speaker 3: of nowhere, launched by the Iranians blowing up somebody's sitting
Speaker 3: in a cafe here in Cincinnati or anyplace else they
Speaker 3: might be in our.
Speaker 1: Land, which is why I mean they made they made
Speaker 1: fun of Ronald Reagan for you know, Star Wars Strategic
Speaker 1: Defense Initiative. We need basically to redouble our efforts on
Speaker 1: our own version of an iron Dome, and I just
Speaker 1: don't think we've done enough in that regard. Eventually, weapons
Speaker 1: are going to get more sophisticated. They can get hypersonic missiles. Now,
Speaker 1: we need to be prepared for that, and we're not.
Speaker 1: And I'll remind you this is not a partisan issue.
Speaker 1: I was one of three Republicans when Trump was president
Speaker 1: to vote for a resolution that said, if Trump wanted
Speaker 1: to go to war with Iran, he has to come
Speaker 1: to Congress first. The other was Matt Gates and then
Speaker 1: another guy from Florida who's no longer in Congress. And
Speaker 1: President Trump called me at that time encouraged me not
Speaker 1: to vote for that resolution.
Speaker 4: He said that.
Speaker 1: If I gave him, if Congress gave him the power
Speaker 1: to unilaterally go to war with Iran, then he could.
Speaker 1: Essentially when he said things, I won't call them bluffs,
Speaker 1: but when he said things, Tyrane, you do this, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do that, that his words would carry more
Speaker 1: weight and that he.
Speaker 4: Could keep us out of a war if his.
Speaker 1: Words carried more weight, if they knew that he could
Speaker 1: unilaterally take us to war. And I said that, you know, expedience, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, that could possibly be true. But let's say
Speaker 1: you tell them here's the red line and they crossed
Speaker 1: that line, then we're at war and Congress is not
Speaker 1: weighed in on it. I said, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: vote for this Democrat resolution to say you can't go
Speaker 1: to war without an Act of Congress, and the you know,
Speaker 1: because there was discussion of it at the time.
Speaker 2: Where are the Democrats with that position these days?
Speaker 1: Kind Oh yeah, I mean this is the I'm sorry, Brian,
Speaker 1: this is the bittersweet part of it. I know for
Speaker 1: the Democrats, For most of the Democrats, it was merely
Speaker 1: a partisan messaging thing. But uh, you know, we Mac
Speaker 1: Gates and I we got them to change the wording
Speaker 1: of their resolution because they were trying to condemn Trump's
Speaker 1: attack on Solemony. We said, you need to take that
Speaker 1: out of the wear ass clause. We're not going to
Speaker 1: litigate that. All we want to talk about is war
Speaker 1: with mainland Iran. And they did take that out of
Speaker 1: where as clause, and that was but it still was
Speaker 1: a political gesture on their part.
Speaker 4: They were double standard.
Speaker 3: Party Consman Thomas Massey again, I be having of all
Speaker 3: my listening audience and my family and me personally condolences
Speaker 3: on your loss. I am so pleased though to have
Speaker 3: you back on the morning show. Judgenth. Paulton has been
Speaker 3: listening intently. He's on next and you can stream the
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Speaker 3: to what Judgment Poulton has to say about you.
Speaker 4: Hi there, Judge.
Speaker 1: Excited to have you on air, and thank you Brian
Speaker 1: for the card and the flowers that you sent.
Speaker 4: Really appreciate the.
Speaker 3: Least I could possibly do. You know, I love you
Speaker 3: and I love what you're doing for America. Keep up
Speaker 3: the great work and I'll look forward to having you
Speaker 3: back on the show real soon. Thank you, sir, Hey
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