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Speaker 6: a two for. Only once before in the history of
Speaker 6: ologies have I sat down with two doctors at once,
Speaker 6: partly because it's a nightmare to edit, but it's worth it.
Speaker 6: And this one it's a real triple a all about animals.
Speaker 6: So if you've ever petted a dog in the head,
Speaker 6: or if you've ever fawned over a bunny or respectfully
Speaker 6: admired a llama from Afar.
Speaker 7: Get ready.
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Speaker 6: virology to help you kind of wrap your head around
Speaker 6: why so many people on planet Earth are in pajamas
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Speaker 6: I'm glad that you're awake to listen to this. Okay,
Speaker 6: veterinary biology, let's get into it. So veterinary comes from
Speaker 6: a Latin word meaning a cow or an ox, and
Speaker 6: biology is the study of life. So veterinary biology is
Speaker 6: the medical study of kept animals. I have wanted to
Speaker 6: do this episode for so long, since so many ologists
Speaker 6: originally set their sights on a career in VetMed and
Speaker 6: that is an insider term.
Speaker 7: It means veterinary.
Speaker 6: Medicine, and so it's super tough field. And I was
Speaker 6: so excited to hear that two of the greats were
Speaker 6: in Los Angeles for just a few days. They were
Speaker 6: willing to let me pepper them with questions, so I
Speaker 6: drove across town to Beverly Hills in traffic.
Speaker 7: It was worth it.
Speaker 6: They were posted up at the Swanky as Hell for
Speaker 6: seasons while on a press tour for their brand new
Speaker 6: national geographic series Critter Fixers Country Vets. Put it in
Speaker 6: your DVRs. Watch it it's amazing. They were both in suits.
Speaker 6: They were looking quite sharp at the end of a
Speaker 6: long press day, bringing a porcupine and an armadillo on
Speaker 6: entertainment tonight. But they squeezed me in and we settled
Speaker 6: onto a couch and some chairs, and I shoved my
Speaker 6: mics in their faces and now audio note. My audio
Speaker 6: was being captured by a separate mic that I never use,
Speaker 6: and it turns out it was not ideal. So Jarrett
Speaker 6: and Stephen worked a ton behind the scenes this week
Speaker 6: to help fix it.
Speaker 7: It might be a little different than.
Speaker 6: You're used to if this is your very first Ologies
Speaker 6: episode you've ever listened to, I promise audio quality is
Speaker 6: usually top notch.
Speaker 7: I normally don't record to people at once, and myself
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 6: Of a tech diff but this episode is one hundred
Speaker 6: percent worth it because of bothologists, and they were kind
Speaker 6: enough to tell me about their friendship and their life
Speaker 6: in Central Georgia, dealing with all manner of animals, their
Speaker 6: vet practice, how they learn and retain so much about
Speaker 6: so many species. Things they wish all animal owners knew.
Speaker 6: Weird things animals have eaten, hairballs, kidney issues, grain free diets,
Speaker 6: chunky monkeys, How to keep your pets healthy for as
Speaker 6: long as possible, when to let go, the emotional side
Speaker 6: of veterinary medicine, some awesome advice for me personally, plus
Speaker 6: livestock mysteries and more. So scrub in and get ready
Speaker 6: to fawn over two real life critter fixers and veterinary biologists,
Speaker 6: doctor Vernard Hodges and doctor Terrence Ferguson.
Speaker 8: Hodges, Terrence Ferguson. Yes, yes, doctor Vernon Hodges.
Speaker 9: And doctor Terrence Ferguson.
Speaker 7: How long have they been doctors?
Speaker 8: So I have been in doctor for a grand total
Speaker 8: of so I've been a doctor much longer. So I've
Speaker 8: been about for twenty three years.
Speaker 9: And I've been a doctor for twenty two years.
Speaker 7: Oh god, so one of your pro yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 7: Do you know each other going through bad school? How
Speaker 7: did you meet?
Speaker 8: So we met in college.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we met in undergrad So we've known each other
Speaker 10: almost thirty years now, give or take a year. Yeah,
Speaker 10: And I was a veterinari science major and he was
Speaker 10: a biology major. But I took classes in biologies, so
Speaker 10: that's how he and I met in classes there.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, he became a friend because he was a lot
Speaker 8: smarter than me, and he's a goodie two shoes.
Speaker 7: And yeah, right, so you've been practicing doctors for twenty too,
Speaker 7: we'll say twenty two and a half years.
Speaker 6: Sure to average it here, Sure, and how long have
Speaker 6: you been working together as you do?
Speaker 9: Oh? For the for my entire twenty two years? Yeah,
Speaker 9: we've been working together.
Speaker 8: Everything year.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he graduated a year ahead of me. He worked
Speaker 10: at a local venair hospital. When I graduated, I worked
Speaker 10: at the same home hospital. So we worked together a
Speaker 10: year at another van near hospital. After a year, we
Speaker 10: decided it we want to open our own practice right,
Speaker 10: amazing for sure.
Speaker 6: And by the way, doctor Ernard Hodges has an edgy,
Speaker 6: hip asymmetrical haircut. It's almost like a half mohawk. And
Speaker 6: he's wearing a dark button up shirt and a blue
Speaker 6: sport coote. And doctor Ferguson has a lower voice, and
Speaker 6: he's wearing a T shirt with the red Critter Fixer
Speaker 6: logo underneath a plaid gray blazer and his head is
Speaker 6: neatly shaved to a perfect shine. Now. They both grew
Speaker 6: up in Georgia, got their bachelors from Fort Valley State
Speaker 6: University and their doctorates and veterinary medicine from Tuskegee University
Speaker 6: in Alabama. Their Southern accents amazing. They worked elsewhere for
Speaker 6: about a year before they teamed up and started Critter Fixers,
Speaker 6: their own practice together in rural Central Georgia, south of Atlanta.
Speaker 6: But like we hear from a lot of ologists, sometimes
Speaker 6: the path is linear, sometimes it has a few twists.
Speaker 6: What was it about animals or about veterinary science that
Speaker 6: you love what you individually to this path?
Speaker 8: So I'm a big fish guy. I've always liked fish.
Speaker 8: I don't know, I just always had a fascination with fish,
Speaker 8: you know, I tease them all the time. I wanted
Speaker 8: to be the first, like black Jock Cousto. I wanted
Speaker 8: to be like this fish guy.
Speaker 9: I love fish.
Speaker 8: I was one of these people that learned by doing
Speaker 8: My grades were okay to make myself competitive with vendoring school.
Speaker 8: I ended up working for the Agency for International Development,
Speaker 8: and what we did was develop a fish project. So
Speaker 8: at nineteen I went over to Nepal and we raised
Speaker 8: fishing cages because they were looking for a cheap protein source.
Speaker 8: So what we did was carpeat fighter plane, so we
Speaker 8: kind of would put the cages at different depths see
Speaker 8: where the fighter plant then grows, and kind of we
Speaker 8: were able to tell them when to put out, where
Speaker 8: to put the cage, especially during months, soon times and everything.
Speaker 8: So when I got to, you know, to the vendor school,
Speaker 8: when I was thinking I could do fish and do
Speaker 8: these different things. My grades were okay, but nobody, you know,
Speaker 8: all the people with age couldn't say that help feed
Speaker 8: the village in the Paul. So that's how, you know,
Speaker 8: I've always loved animals, so.
Speaker 6: Other people may have had higher grades, but doctor Hodges
Speaker 6: had life experience and hands on fish science. So went
Speaker 6: in doubt, GTFO go work in the Paul for a while.
Speaker 8: And that's that's kind of what what helped kind of
Speaker 8: moved being you know, been ven there in president Now
Speaker 8: we treat fish, you'll see fish on the show. We
Speaker 8: treat all variety of animals. So that's how I got involved.
Speaker 7: What about doctor Ferguson, I've.
Speaker 10: Wanted to be a vendorian for a long time, since
Speaker 10: I was probably eight years old. I was bidden by
Speaker 10: the veterinary bug. Got a dog that was injured and
Speaker 10: I nursed it back to health. So I thought, looking back,
Speaker 10: it really wasn't hurt very bad, but I thought I
Speaker 10: did something miraculous, and here I am. I want to
Speaker 10: be a animal doctor and I've always wanted to be one.
Speaker 9: It's fun.
Speaker 10: I tell people that, you know, a lot of time
Speaker 10: we talk about what we want to be when we're older,
Speaker 10: and but I can say that I want to be
Speaker 10: and you can look in the yearbook in the hands
Speaker 10: better know my name. So I'm kind of proud of
Speaker 10: that though, you know, and God just blessed me to become.
Speaker 10: But it did come a point, Like you said, he
Speaker 10: did summer jobs, and I did a couple of summers
Speaker 10: also with the US Fishing Wildlife Service and had an
Speaker 10: opportunity working in Alaska one summer with Simon and Whooping Crane.
Speaker 10: But I reached a point where I became unsure. As
Speaker 10: you know that the professional of vendair medicine is not
Speaker 10: very diverse. And it was until I was a junior
Speaker 10: in college that I saw the first black veterinarian or
Speaker 10: a veterinarian that looked like me. So it was a
Speaker 10: point that I felt like, can I do this? I
Speaker 10: don't see anybody that looks like me and that's doing it,
Speaker 10: and I almost veered over to fishing wildlife because I
Speaker 10: had we did it in the summer. I saw people
Speaker 10: look like me, and I knew that was something I
Speaker 10: could do. But I met a mentor when I was
Speaker 10: a junior in college. Then he was a black veterinarian
Speaker 10: and then encouraged me to stay on path, as that's
Speaker 10: what you want to do.
Speaker 6: Wow, And do you think that you guys also to
Speaker 6: keep encouraging each other, because.
Speaker 8: Every day, every day, I mean in this profession, I
Speaker 8: mean people kind of don't understand. Sometimes people think maybe
Speaker 8: we just play with puppies, you know, and which we do.
Speaker 8: I mean, that's a great part of it. But I
Speaker 8: mean in a matter of seconds, we can go from unfortunately,
Speaker 8: have to euthanize an animal relief suffering that's maybe fifteen
Speaker 8: years old. Leave, leave that room, wipe the tear out
Speaker 8: of eyes, and a minute later we're in another room
Speaker 8: with a new puppy and have to talk to the
Speaker 8: owner about different things and how to raise his puppet.
Speaker 8: So the emotions are up and down, and sometimes at
Speaker 8: the end of the day, I mean, it pays when
Speaker 8: you emotion, especially if you do that four or five
Speaker 8: times in a day, you know, the roller coasters tough,
Speaker 8: So it's great to be able to talk to each
Speaker 8: other and say, hey, man, it's gonna be all right,
Speaker 8: Like man, I had a rough day, or he tells
Speaker 8: me has a rough day, and they'll know you won't
Speaker 8: be judged because this when you're framed for thirty plus years.
Speaker 6: So doctor Ferguson makes the point that even though it's
Speaker 6: been his dream job for years, it does not mean
Speaker 6: that it is a breeze who knew, you know.
Speaker 10: Being a veninarian, we see multiple species, so you do.
Speaker 10: I may you know, I may get an animal land
Speaker 10: that you know, we've only seen one animal that year,
Speaker 10: that it may be a monkey, or it may be
Speaker 10: something that's very strange or rare, and I may have
Speaker 10: to give him a call and like, hey god, he
Speaker 10: do man, I have this monkey and yeah, you know,
Speaker 10: I'm looking through the books and I don't see it.
Speaker 9: What do you think?
Speaker 10: So it's great having him to be able to bounce
Speaker 10: things off of because it's just like you said, he
Speaker 10: understands because he's in the same shoes that I'm in.
Speaker 10: So it's great having each other. We definitely, I know,
Speaker 10: I definitely wouldn't be where I am if I'm saying.
Speaker 8: But we also have also have a very playful competition too.
Speaker 8: Will be like, hey dude, hey man, I want up you.
Speaker 8: I mean we literally said I want up you today,
Speaker 8: Like what you got? I was like, man, I had
Speaker 8: an African told today. I was like, man, it's they
Speaker 8: weighed three pounds. Or he'll call me in he have
Speaker 8: some case. You're like, man, I had a snake with pneumonia.
Speaker 8: So we we definitely have a playful competition of stuff.
Speaker 6: We say, when it comes to betary medicine, how do
Speaker 6: you even prepare for that? Because you've got a remnant
Speaker 6: with four stomachs, You've got to toe the bracelet skin?
Speaker 6: How do you where do you begin?
Speaker 9: Cool?
Speaker 10: You know a lot of people wonder you know. You
Speaker 10: get out and you may practice large aneral medicine, or
Speaker 10: you may practice small animal medicine, or you may practice exotics.
Speaker 10: We kind of do all of them. But when you're
Speaker 10: in veterinary school, you don't specialize. So we have to
Speaker 10: learn about all the species. And when you you know,
Speaker 10: once we come out, you know you kind of refine
Speaker 10: in your skills. Are there times when you have to
Speaker 10: go back to the book orcuse one. Of course there
Speaker 10: are you know, there are a lot of species and
Speaker 10: you don't see.
Speaker 9: Them every day.
Speaker 6: Doctor Hodges says that in the early days they'd have
Speaker 6: to do dip tank X rays, wait for them to develop,
Speaker 6: and then send a snail mail envelope with a question
Speaker 6: to a specialist, way for it to get there, way
Speaker 6: for the special to write something back, and snail mail back.
Speaker 6: But now modern technology lets them get an X ray
Speaker 6: in less than a minute, and they can get a
Speaker 6: complete pathology or cardiology report from a specialist in like
Speaker 6: half an hour. So this is good news for vets.
Speaker 6: It's better news for pet owners, which, by the way,
Speaker 6: in America, according to a twenty nineteen study, there are
Speaker 6: ninety four million pet cats in the US, ninety million dogs,
Speaker 6: and hey guess what fish people one hundred and fifty
Speaker 6: seven million fishes out there in your houses. So yes,
Speaker 6: technology helps them too.
Speaker 8: Even though we're in rural Georgia, we do have the
Speaker 8: specialists that we can reach out to. The in modern
Speaker 8: technology has definitely definitely had his play, I would say,
Speaker 8: in our lifetime, right, which I mean, don't you think
Speaker 8: we probably can keep an animal probably alive maybe two
Speaker 8: four years longer.
Speaker 10: Yeah, because of advancement, we can detect things a lot earlier.
Speaker 10: We have chemistry panels of blood. We can run down
Speaker 10: to take kidney problem a year or so before it
Speaker 10: happens that at one time we only or when the
Speaker 10: animal came in it was sick, we ran blood, had kidney.
Speaker 8: Failure and we had seen that blood off.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and we had to wait. So but then we
Speaker 10: know two thirds of all kidney function is lost once
Speaker 10: we see the values are abnormal. So now we have
Speaker 10: tests that we can detect that we can do something
Speaker 10: to kind of slow that process down.
Speaker 8: Or the old dog that had arthritis, I mean we
Speaker 8: really we had no medicine, but now you know what
Speaker 8: they came up with, remadale, and so they come up
Speaker 8: with different medicines that the old dog that was arthritic
Speaker 8: that we're able to treat now. So something I'll tell
Speaker 8: you I thought about this the other day. Have you
Speaker 8: noticed we're having more talks about cognitive dysfunction, which is
Speaker 8: doggy similarity and all. So we're able to keep them,
Speaker 8: keep them live longer, but unfortunately we haven't figured out
Speaker 8: as far as the brain. They do get seen now,
Speaker 8: so we get the dog that is staring at the
Speaker 8: wall or goes outside and forgets where it is. So
Speaker 8: we have that talk a lot more so it's kind
Speaker 8: of the gift and the curse of technology because I
Speaker 8: noticed I was like, Man, I'm having us talk a lot,
Speaker 8: but I'm able to keep that dog that has a
Speaker 8: heart problem. We can keep them alive or ourthrietis who
Speaker 8: can keep them alive longer? Or kidding the problem. We
Speaker 8: can keep them alive, but we just hadn't figured out
Speaker 8: to bring it.
Speaker 6: And when it comes to your typical day, I know
Speaker 6: that you're sometimes maybe you're out looking at a lama
Speaker 6: and we hate a barn, and then maybe you're delivering puppies,
Speaker 6: get in the office. What is a typical day like?
Speaker 6: And then also add cameras on top.
Speaker 10: Of that, there really is no typical day. And I'm
Speaker 10: not being being facetious. But then again, they's serious because
Speaker 10: we will make scheduled out calls, but you never know
Speaker 10: what you're going to see when you go out, and
Speaker 10: you never know what's going to come through the door
Speaker 10: that's not scheduled. We try to do our surgers in
Speaker 10: the morning, want their schedule, try to get them in
Speaker 10: the morning because we're black for them to be done
Speaker 10: about ten and taken care of so that they're able
Speaker 10: to be up and go home that same day, depending
Speaker 10: on the procedure. And then in between surgers and the
Speaker 10: rest of the day, we're seeing clients and we may
Speaker 10: we don't. You just never know what about the sea section.
Speaker 10: It comes in in between, right. You know, I may
Speaker 10: be in surgery during a cruciate surgery that you know
Speaker 10: it may take a while to do, and he calls
Speaker 10: and hollers in and look room right because he has
Speaker 10: a sea section.
Speaker 8: That actually happened on the show. I mean it was not.
Speaker 8: It was like he was in teaching one of our
Speaker 8: our our newer events how to perform with orthopedic surgery,
Speaker 8: and I was like, bro, I need that surgery room.
Speaker 8: He thought I was playing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, initially I did. Here, you know, we joke all out,
Speaker 10: but you know, on the second time around, I know
Speaker 10: when he was.
Speaker 8: Serious, and it was a puppet dangling out of this
Speaker 8: dog that was stuck.
Speaker 10: So it's time to get real, get serious, you know,
Speaker 10: get the other dog at the table so we can
Speaker 10: get this sea section taken care of. It becomes just
Speaker 10: like that a life and death situation.
Speaker 9: That's the same. We just you just don't know what's
Speaker 9: coming in the door.
Speaker 8: And it's definitely a roller coaster.
Speaker 6: What do you wish that pet owners or your clients
Speaker 6: did differently or knew? Is there something that you wish
Speaker 6: you could just telegraph it into pet owners heads.
Speaker 8: In society today, it's bigger the better, the more exotic
Speaker 8: or unique the better, and everybody want to go big
Speaker 8: or go home and this thing. But a lot of
Speaker 8: times the simple things like these these exotic pets. Is
Speaker 8: a tiger in the bathroom. I really wish they were
Speaker 8: educated on how to take care of them. You know,
Speaker 8: I had a case last week. It's a simple case.
Speaker 8: This this bead dragon, which is a type of lizar.
Speaker 8: It had. It came in and I took X rays
Speaker 8: that had brittle bones. It wouldn't move. It was dragging
Speaker 8: itself across the floor. In needs calcium and needs all
Speaker 8: of it in UV light or either sunlight. You know,
Speaker 8: obviously you can't stay outside with your lips at all
Speaker 8: the time, so you need some UV. Like you try
Speaker 8: not to make the person feel bad, but I was
Speaker 8: talking to her, I was like, you know, this is
Speaker 8: what's going on? And it was something simple. I was like,
Speaker 8: I want you to google something. I said, just google
Speaker 8: ultrabile light and metabolic bone disease. And when I you know,
Speaker 8: I said, I'm gonna take an xtra. When I came
Speaker 8: back in, she said, wow, Doc, thank you, she said,
Speaker 8: I see what's going on. It's simple. Those a simple thing,
Speaker 8: something a twenty dollar alike could have prevented us. You know.
Speaker 8: So it's just I wish and everybody wants to get
Speaker 8: more and more exotic. I mean, we're seeing all kinds
Speaker 8: of different different animals, you know, and so I just
Speaker 8: wish that people could were educated more, you know, it's
Speaker 8: not just the financial thing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's a big thing, educating the clients. And
Speaker 10: it's not always that they can't do. They just don't
Speaker 10: know a lot of issue with these exotics or husbandry issues,
Speaker 10: whether it's the type of feed or what they're feeding,
Speaker 10: the humidity or the temperature that they are, what they're feeding,
Speaker 10: what they're you know, things like that that cause a
Speaker 10: lot of issues. So just basic education on how to
Speaker 10: take care of them would go mind own.
Speaker 8: So that would probably be the biggest thing because it
Speaker 8: with advance you know, everybody wants to have this cute,
Speaker 8: little different animal, but they just don't know how to
Speaker 8: take care of it. So I wish, you know, I mean,
Speaker 8: I mean, I want everybody to be happy and enjoy
Speaker 8: enjoy their pet. But you know, I mean something simple.
Speaker 8: I know, we have Easter coming up, so I am
Speaker 8: worried about these Easter bunnies because people, you know what
Speaker 8: they think, Okay, you just put it in a cage.
Speaker 8: You don't feed it, Hay, you don't have to worry
Speaker 8: about their teeth growing for the life so that they
Speaker 8: don't understand the hoods, but just the small things, you know,
Speaker 8: so ordered to chick they get these little chickens. They
Speaker 8: get little chicks for East. I mean, it's just those
Speaker 8: kind of things. I just wish the population was educated
Speaker 8: a little bit more.
Speaker 6: Rabbits are fluffy and soft, they're easily litter box trained,
Speaker 6: but they lived ten to twelve years. Most people don't
Speaker 6: know that, and so most of these little buns, ninety
Speaker 6: five percent of them bought as impulse easter gifts, end
Speaker 6: up in shelters or abandoned outside. Eighty percent of bunnies
Speaker 6: and rabbit rescues were once Easter pets. Sometimes they're rescued
Speaker 6: heavy air quotes, but used as food for reptiles.
Speaker 7: So before you acquire.
Speaker 6: A living creature, consider if you can meet its needs.
Speaker 6: Are you saying I shouldn't I shouldn't have bought a
Speaker 6: sting ray that I live my bath job?
Speaker 8: Oh that might not be the grades in the world.
Speaker 7: Such a good dinner party, for sure?
Speaker 8: Wow, for sure?
Speaker 7: Just wanted something different.
Speaker 6: What about you know, on the road to becoming a veterinarian,
Speaker 6: what do you wish people knew or what is like
Speaker 6: some encouragement that you would want to like give to
Speaker 6: your younger self.
Speaker 7: Or people who are like I want to be a
Speaker 7: vet but it's hard.
Speaker 8: So the first thing I like people to know is
Speaker 8: and this is not to discourage, but I want them
Speaker 8: to realize when I tell the kids, there are only
Speaker 8: thirty one veneering schools in the United States. Really, yes,
Speaker 8: only thirty one. Okay, So the average GPA to get
Speaker 8: into veneering school now is about three point seven.
Speaker 7: That's very high.
Speaker 8: That is very high. So not only that, there are
Speaker 8: a lot of people with high great So you have
Speaker 8: to find that thing that makes you different. Separation, you know,
Speaker 8: go to go to your local vene and ask them,
Speaker 8: can you volunteer and or go to your local shelter.
Speaker 8: Fign that thing that makes you different. But yeah, that's
Speaker 8: one thing I want people to see. I know we
Speaker 8: have fifty states. They're not even fifty, right, Yeah, they're
Speaker 8: only third to one.
Speaker 10: And I guess on that same line of trying to
Speaker 10: separate yourself, I find a lot of time because I
Speaker 10: saw it when I was in veterinary school that some
Speaker 10: want to be veterinarians and they see it looks very
Speaker 10: glorified from the outside. Like you said earlier, you get
Speaker 10: to hold the babies. You know, you get the cuddle,
Speaker 10: but you know, dogs go to the bathroom, they irate
Speaker 10: on you, They bite you, cat scratch you, horses can
Speaker 10: kick you. So what I encourage them at a young
Speaker 10: age is to come in, shadow me, shadow one of
Speaker 10: the veterinarians. Let's make sure this is what your passion
Speaker 10: is and what you love, because they can look glorified
Speaker 10: on the outside, but when you get on the inside,
Speaker 10: it maybe something that you don't like. And the last
Speaker 10: thing that I want them not to do is invest
Speaker 10: all their time and energy and money into something. Then
Speaker 10: they decide I'm in the first year of Venair school. Man,
Speaker 10: I don't think I really like this, so I want
Speaker 10: them to know it early. This is what I want
Speaker 10: to do. I have a passion for this. I'm on
Speaker 10: track on what i want to do.
Speaker 6: So to be honest, this is good advice for any
Speaker 6: profession really, except for podcasters, because no one wants to
Speaker 6: shadow me recording asides into a pile of towels in
Speaker 6: my closet, which I'm not even doing right now because honestly,
Speaker 6: we're all isolating and I'm just beached on the couch
Speaker 6: like job of the ward under a comforter, which is
Speaker 6: not as exciting as some of the things that the
Speaker 6: critter fixers have seen. Doctor Hodges says when he was
Speaker 6: in vet school that had a call and had to
Speaker 6: go out into the field, into an actual field.
Speaker 8: So ambulance in an ambulance, you you know, I'm going
Speaker 8: to go out and get people. In vendoring school had
Speaker 8: some called ambulatory and we're I was in ambilatory class.
Speaker 8: I was a senior vendoring student and we went out
Speaker 8: and it was about seven of us in a Venoring truck.
Speaker 8: So I went out to this big farm and when
Speaker 8: we got to the farm. You know what you expect.
Speaker 8: You expect to see lives stalking, different things. Right, But
Speaker 8: when we got this farm, there are like fifty dead cows, bloated,
Speaker 8: smelly in the Alabama sun. It was both went to
Speaker 8: Tuskegee and the first thing he said was what's going on. Well,
Speaker 8: obviously we our mouths were wide open, like I don't know.
Speaker 8: So you know, we haven't learning all kinds of stuff
Speaker 8: over the previous three years. So we said, well, maybe
Speaker 8: this and this. When we were all wrong, he said, look,
Speaker 8: get out there and do something called the ne crops.
Speaker 8: And necrops is when you check with animals autopsy as
Speaker 8: with humans. So we did necropsy and all these bloated, smelly,
Speaker 8: stinky cows, and he said, what's wrong? And all of
Speaker 8: our answers were wrong. He said, listen, and it's one
Speaker 8: thing we learned. He said, listen. The first thing you
Speaker 8: gotta come to do in a farm is you gotta look.
Speaker 8: You gotta listen. You gotta look at your surroundings. He said, Listen,
Speaker 8: it's been thunder and lightning every day. Look at the
Speaker 8: top of this tree. It's burned to a cris He said,
Speaker 8: in struct the tree boom. All the cows who were
Speaker 8: gathered around the lightning, they're e executed, they died, what right,
Speaker 8: So you should simply look, you should learn and and
Speaker 8: I never took that for granted. So when I see
Speaker 8: a case sometimes it isn't what it looks like. You
Speaker 8: gotta look, you gotta observe, you gotta smell, you gotta
Speaker 8: know it. So just always stop looking, listen. That's one
Speaker 8: of the things you learn to vent there in medicine.
Speaker 8: I'll never forget that as a senior Vendory student.
Speaker 10: Well, when I talk to kids, I always tell them
Speaker 10: that you have to use your senses except one. We
Speaker 10: don't taste, but we have to visually.
Speaker 8: It has times well unfortunately unfortunately not knowing.
Speaker 10: So you know, even when you approach the animal, or
Speaker 10: if we're in the clinic and it walks in the door,
Speaker 10: it may not even be coming in a room yet,
Speaker 10: but you're already getting a visual. And one thing that
Speaker 10: we always learned, probably the first walked in ventary school
Speaker 10: is you have to know normal before you before you
Speaker 10: know abnormal. There's no way to know what's abnormal unless
Speaker 10: you know what's normal. Yeah, so you know you're watching
Speaker 10: the gate you smell, what does this smell? There are
Speaker 10: different things that clue in, so almost like investigators, you know,
Speaker 10: we're trying to clue in on all these things to
Speaker 10: try to figure out what's going with them.
Speaker 9: And but you have to be basic and work your
Speaker 9: way up.
Speaker 10: You never start with you know, you have this big
Speaker 10: loan word because you want to be the ven there
Speaker 10: and that says, yes, I had the dog that the
Speaker 10: had spiral.
Speaker 8: Trick, and maybe the best show might be Medlock.
Speaker 9: Are they any lawyers in this town.
Speaker 8: That might be? Because you got to be investigat.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 8: Some things that they showed that that maybe best described
Speaker 8: what we do.
Speaker 7: Can I ask you questions from listeners?
Speaker 8: You're gonna ask watch out.
Speaker 6: So I let listeners know that I was coming to
Speaker 6: me and they send in their own questions. Okay, but
Speaker 6: before your questions, we're going to take a quick break.
Speaker 6: As you may know, each episode we donate to a
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Speaker 6: Fixers chose the It takes a village foundation which instructs
Speaker 6: children in all aspects of business and then it helps
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Speaker 6: Okay, back to your questions. Now, this first one regarding
Speaker 6: just general weirdness, was asked by Gabriel jolan Ford, Gonzalez,
Speaker 6: Unuseful Spoon, Ariel PJ Sakura, Jennie Martin, Courtney Williams and
Speaker 6: hr Bongo.
Speaker 7: Wants to know what is the weirdest animal you've ever treated?
Speaker 8: Probably for me, I would think a spider. A spider, Yes,
Speaker 8: weitness this tarantulas got brought in and it wasn't eating
Speaker 8: like he thought. That probably was different. I did have
Speaker 8: to kind of research and think about that a little bit.
Speaker 8: I mean, had these these big spiders. I don't know
Speaker 8: if it made the show. I know they did tape it,
Speaker 8: but I don't know if it made the show, but
Speaker 8: it will get in the web. And it was kind
Speaker 8: of standing in the corner with either. But the biggest
Speaker 8: thing is this cage was a little small, so it
Speaker 8: didn't need to eat as much, so it was more
Speaker 8: of a hust majury. It's actually once I got it out,
Speaker 8: which was weird. This thing was as big as my
Speaker 8: palm in my hand, so you know, and it actually
Speaker 8: kind of shot me and when it bince it's almost
Speaker 8: like a yes, almost like an electrical shot. It's not
Speaker 8: terribly that but that was probably the weirdest. I was
Speaker 8: wondering why when somebody want a spider, but it was interesting.
Speaker 8: I think that was probably the weirdest. But the biggest
Speaker 8: thing is just knowing about what these animals need in captivity.
Speaker 8: A captive spider obviously wouldn't need to eat as much
Speaker 8: as a spider that kind of lives in the desert
Speaker 8: or do everything. So that was pretty weird.
Speaker 10: I guess the weirdest. I don't have a spider, but
Speaker 10: I think because we're in Georgia, whether it's rural Georgia
Speaker 10: or Atlanta doesn't matter. I think the camel. The camel
Speaker 10: was probably the most out of place.
Speaker 7: What was it doing there?
Speaker 10: Well, there was a camel that they used in the
Speaker 10: Nativity scenes and it's in the show also, and it's
Speaker 10: hard to say it was.
Speaker 8: It was getting a little frisks amazing.
Speaker 10: So we had to go. We had to go and
Speaker 10: remove hump to try to make it. I think it
Speaker 10: did better.
Speaker 8: This year Nativity.
Speaker 9: They were little calmer this year.
Speaker 6: The kids weren't weren't a surprise, wasn't wasn't swiping on
Speaker 6: tenders exactly. Katy Coast wants to know if you could
Speaker 6: read animals' minds, would you want to?
Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, most definitely, Yeah, yeah, that would be Yeah,
Speaker 10: it would make our job a lot easier. You know,
Speaker 10: we knew exactly what was wrong when they came in.
Speaker 10: I always asked the students when I go do career day,
Speaker 10: I asked them to tell me what is the difference
Speaker 10: between you and I when we go to the doctor
Speaker 10: and when the pets come to me? And they always
Speaker 10: overthinking it, they think of everything. I said, no, it's
Speaker 10: just as simple. The animals can't talk, you know. So
Speaker 10: you know, if I stood them on the table and
Speaker 10: I said, you know, open mind and what's wrong, I
Speaker 10: may get a bark or meow or a kick even
Speaker 10: but I'm not going to get the answer. So of
Speaker 10: course we would exactly.
Speaker 8: That would definitely answer because you know, it would save
Speaker 8: me some time. I wouldn't have to go do an
Speaker 8: endoscopic exam. That's where we go down in the stomach,
Speaker 8: and you know, the dog would be able to tell
Speaker 8: me when I see a thing because you can see
Speaker 8: clearly in there. So I'm in the stomach and I
Speaker 8: read P A M P E R pamper, so the
Speaker 8: dog is eating the diaper. So fortunately I was able
Speaker 8: to pull that out. But but so he could have
Speaker 8: saved me a little bit of time.
Speaker 7: So did you see that recent internet video of the python?
Speaker 8: Yes, we did, Yes, Yes, that was a different for watching.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, this n I'm sure with somewhat relieved. Is
Speaker 6: that the weirdest thing that you've seen a pet eat
Speaker 6: as a pamper. Can't find car keys in there?
Speaker 10: The car keys in an all you know, years ago
Speaker 10: with the telephone course that were that were twisted, we
Speaker 10: didn't know what it was. We took an X ray
Speaker 10: that was back in the day when we had the
Speaker 10: dip tanks and took forever to develop X rays. So
Speaker 10: we look at this video, we look at this X
Speaker 10: rays and we just see a coil that's you know,
Speaker 10: not very long. We're all looking like, what is that?
Speaker 8: Spiral keeps exactly what is that?
Speaker 10: So we end up having to do it exploratory and
Speaker 10: that's what it was. But the funniest thing so after
Speaker 10: doing this, doing the surgery, the owner said, yeah, I
Speaker 10: know where that is. I'm going to put all this
Speaker 10: stuff away. We're going to get rid of it. Cat
Speaker 10: came in two more times over the next few years
Speaker 10: with the cord doing the same thing.
Speaker 8: Got to get a cordless yeah, thank god.
Speaker 10: Now, but back then, you know, they had the quarters,
Speaker 10: so I think that was. Yeah, well that's your age, remember, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: that was.
Speaker 9: And we always see coins, you know.
Speaker 8: So that the weirdest thing I've seen is the actually
Speaker 8: the chocolate coins, that the gold chocolate coins. They're coming
Speaker 8: a little mess back and I couldn't figure out what
Speaker 8: was going on, and this dog ate them hold them.
Speaker 7: Oh no, So I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 8: So I literally took out I think I counted twenty
Speaker 8: six twenty six of those gold and the chocolate was
Speaker 8: still good. So the rappit bus were good because they
Speaker 8: didn't they didn't really melt. But that was probably the
Speaker 8: weirdest thing to just kind of keep pulling these coins out.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Sarah Travino, first time question asker wants to know a
Speaker 6: very important question. Do dogs love us as much as
Speaker 6: we love them? And do they know how much we
Speaker 6: love them?
Speaker 7: Do you think?
Speaker 8: I don't know if they know. In ventoring school we
Speaker 8: used to talk about the human animal bond, and I
Speaker 8: definitely can see it. I think my dog loves me
Speaker 8: as much as I think. So, I mean, I love
Speaker 8: my dog whole I love yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean you just think, when you go to work,
Speaker 10: you can have a great day or you can have
Speaker 10: a horrible day. When you get home, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 10: Every going to be greeted the same way with excitement,
Speaker 10: with love. I don't know the level, but I definitely
Speaker 10: know they know that we love them and it's unconditional
Speaker 10: both ways.
Speaker 8: Can I like them move? One hundred first dates?
Speaker 9: Yo, sweety year sort of dating and I am not
Speaker 9: bad lucky?
Speaker 8: Yeah, every time every time it's they love you like
Speaker 8: one hundred for no matter. It's the first day, every
Speaker 8: time we come home. That's it, every time you come home.
Speaker 6: Rachel Wece wants to know why do dogs like to
Speaker 6: eat grass where they have upset bellies or is.
Speaker 10: That a nest you know we used to be you know,
Speaker 10: they have tummy eggs or they have this. But I've
Speaker 10: seen dogs that just.
Speaker 8: Like, just like, okay a lot of times in the while.
Speaker 8: A lot of these guys eat a lot of berries
Speaker 8: and grass and and different things. So I think it's
Speaker 8: just a palliative to them.
Speaker 7: So interesting. Yeah, whenever I see my dog snacking on grass.
Speaker 7: I'm like, do I have to call it? Everyone's like.
Speaker 6: And most casey wants to know what is the number
Speaker 6: one thing we can do to protect the health and
Speaker 6: well being of wild critters?
Speaker 7: And Brionna Maziski says this, Yes, yeah, anything we can
Speaker 7: do for wild critters.
Speaker 8: I think the environment and protect the environment.
Speaker 10: Protect the environment. Conservation, Yeah, things like the US Fish
Speaker 10: and Wildlife organization like that do to try to conserve
Speaker 10: different species. So those are the most important thing. I
Speaker 10: think a lot of times we can get in trouble
Speaker 10: too by trying to domesticate everything. And I think we
Speaker 10: get in trouble then because we kind of mess up
Speaker 10: the natural balance of things.
Speaker 8: So like a Florida alligator.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, did someone try to domesticated Florida alligators?
Speaker 8: Why? They do it all the time?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 6: Side note, just google Florida plus pet alligators.
Speaker 7: Hoo boy.
Speaker 6: Plenty of Fox News clips of people cradling giant reptiles
Speaker 6: pop up now. In the following news clip, a man
Speaker 6: in cargo shorts is crouched down next to a murky
Speaker 6: backyard ditch as the head of his forty seven year
Speaker 6: old pet alligator Bob's in and out of the water, serenely,
Speaker 6: just waiting to be hand fed more more souls of
Speaker 6: its favorite snack, chocolate chip cookies.
Speaker 7: Once he was in the house, he didn't want to leave.
Speaker 3: I think it took us like three weeks to get
Speaker 3: him to go back outside.
Speaker 8: He was on the couch all the time, or in
Speaker 8: the bathtub.
Speaker 6: I did a little more googling and heads up. When
Speaker 6: they're not eating chips away, A lot of pet alligators
Speaker 6: are how do we say this, rescuing other people's unwanted
Speaker 6: Easter purchases. So that's bad news.
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, all the time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're doing it for the gram.
Speaker 8: Yeah, doing it for the ground for sure.
Speaker 7: Not necessary.
Speaker 6: Veronica Ronica says cat hairballs, Oh my god, they're so gross.
Speaker 6: Is there anything I can do or give the fur
Speaker 6: babies to prevent it or lessen the amount that they
Speaker 6: hack up?
Speaker 7: Did I mention so gross?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 10: There are different products that we have. Cats are naturally groomers,
Speaker 10: so they naturally lick themselves and groom themselves. And basically
Speaker 10: when you see the cat that is ungroomed or not
Speaker 10: thrifty looking, probably see kitty. So they have mats or
Speaker 10: hair on that some of them get. Some get so
Speaker 10: large and heavy they can't groom themselves. But normally they
Speaker 10: groom themselves and they're gonna ingest hair. So they have
Speaker 10: products that you can give different laxatives and lubricants that
Speaker 10: you can give maybe a couple of times a week
Speaker 10: that will help clear them out and they pass them out
Speaker 10: in the stewl rather than having so many hairballs.
Speaker 8: And what are those products?
Speaker 9: But lexiitone purge, I didn't know what was gonna call products.
Speaker 8: We gotta give her something else and then we'll tell her.
Speaker 8: I will say to her personally, be thankful because I'm
Speaker 8: gonna give her a fancy word, and she welcome to
Speaker 8: google this. It's called a troco breezer. Yes, that is
Speaker 8: a big, big hair ball. Oftentimes we see that in cows. Cows,
Speaker 8: I mean sometimes these things can be big as basketballs
Speaker 8: because they licking themselves. So tell us, yeah, so tell us.
Speaker 8: So she's very fortunate that she don't have a cow?
Speaker 8: Does she does? She got a trocle beezo?
Speaker 6: Wow wow, okay, wow, I know we're all socially isolating.
Speaker 6: We got some time on our hands, but do not
Speaker 6: google image search a trichobezar unless you want to see
Speaker 6: what appears to be stomach shaped dreadlocks still moist from
Speaker 6: their fresh removal from human insights. Now, the condition that
Speaker 6: causes hair eating and humans has been dubbed Rapunzel syndrome
Speaker 6: for the long tail that the hairball trails behind it.
Speaker 6: I like to imagine it does so elegantly, but it's
Speaker 6: a real thing. I can't imagine it's comfortable. Boy, howdy,
Speaker 6: don't look at it if you can help it. Now,
Speaker 6: as long as we're talking horrors, let's dip into your
Speaker 6: questions about American health insurance, but for pets. So this
Speaker 6: question was asked by Kate Cauldron, Sarah hal Miller, and
Speaker 6: Heather Shaver. Heather Shaver has a question financially and in
Speaker 6: your opinion, how much is too much to spend on
Speaker 6: a pets that bill, like, how do you make the
Speaker 6: decisions taking into economics and the animal suffering and is
Speaker 6: it good to.
Speaker 7: Have pet health insurance? How do you guys feel about that?
Speaker 8: My thought when it comes to that is definitely if
Speaker 8: you can start out. Pederal health insurances has definitely evolved
Speaker 8: over the over time. They has evolved over the years,
Speaker 8: and they know we have it in that practice quite
Speaker 8: a bit now and they usually payper to Wilson. But
Speaker 8: you can't have any pre existing things. But this is
Speaker 8: the thing I always ask, what will be the quality
Speaker 8: of life? Quality of life is everything? I mean, you know,
Speaker 8: before you get the finance. I have people who come
Speaker 8: in and they have unlimited funds and they're willing to
Speaker 8: do anything. But I talk to them at least give
Speaker 8: them the option. I never tell them what to do,
Speaker 8: but I explain the quality of life and what will
Speaker 8: be the quality of life if they choose a procedure,
Speaker 8: if they choose not the procedure, if we keep moving
Speaker 8: on it something you can ask you're vent there. It's
Speaker 8: a tough decision. What do you think my dog's possible
Speaker 8: quality life or my cat's quality life? But that's where
Speaker 8: I would start the actual talk and you can kind
Speaker 8: of go from there. So quality of life is that
Speaker 8: would be the best message I can give people.
Speaker 9: Think so on that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what I would say. You know, you can
Speaker 10: have unlimited funds and quality life is not going to
Speaker 10: be good. Afterwords, that's not being fair to your baby.
Speaker 10: I always say, you know, they've given us so much
Speaker 10: unconditional love. They've been so fair to us, so we
Speaker 10: want to be fair when that time comes. And sometimes
Speaker 10: it's hard to see it it is, you know. So
Speaker 10: I know what I've done is I have a sheet
Speaker 10: that numerically has questions and you have to give an
Speaker 10: answer from zero to ten, and it has at the
Speaker 10: end we add those those the numbers up and if
Speaker 10: we're lower than the number, then we probably at the
Speaker 10: point that we're suffering. So we may need to consider
Speaker 10: making a decision. And if it's higher than that, then
Speaker 10: we're doing fine. But a lot of times just visually
Speaker 10: having the client to be able to see it helps
Speaker 10: a lot because I've been there, because I've had Amazon.
Speaker 10: I know I don't want to do it. It's not time,
Speaker 10: but I'm being unfair. I tell them, let's not be selfish.
Speaker 10: Let's give them the joy that they've given us all
Speaker 10: these years.
Speaker 7: And to you guys, both have pets.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, of course you have.
Speaker 8: So I have a German shepherd, a cane Corso.
Speaker 6: Okay, I looked this up because I thought of Corso
Speaker 6: was maybe a type of wizard or a house leamer.
Speaker 6: But it's a big ass Italian dog and it looks
Speaker 6: like it would kill anyone who wronged you, but also
Speaker 6: hug you when you're sad, much like any Italian. I
Speaker 6: now love them.
Speaker 8: Oh, Frenchie, who's who sleeps on my hip every night?
Speaker 8: I have Jamison who is a gecko, and I have Drake,
Speaker 8: who is a beardy drag.
Speaker 7: Oh so you do have a beery drag?
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yes, so I have a cane corso miniature
Speaker 10: smiles or shiit Zoo and a bearded dragon who's Rix.
Speaker 10: We call him Rix.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Do people ever come to you and and pat Neyed's
Speaker 6: a home and you're like.
Speaker 8: Should sometimes, but typically we try to. We try to
Speaker 8: be almost like the tender of vi near medicine. We
Speaker 8: try to match me. We're like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 8: swipe you to the left. I know somebody who need it,
Speaker 8: so so that's kind of amazing.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 6: Jamie Pickles wants to know how often are you called
Speaker 6: on to answer human medical questions? Like you're a doctor,
Speaker 6: could you look at my rash.
Speaker 8: Every time I go to the groceryore?
Speaker 7: How annoyed are you by this?
Speaker 9: They want to know it definitely happens.
Speaker 8: Yeah, my boy, you know I got a ring worm,
Speaker 8: and I'll be like, ma'am, that's can you look under
Speaker 8: don't worry about this. You can see I said, man,
Speaker 8: that's a little too much skin. I don't want to
Speaker 8: see that. Is this a ring worm? Can you get closer?
Speaker 8: But yeah, often when we do, you know, sometimes I can.
Speaker 8: I try to steer people in the right direction, you know,
Speaker 8: because sometimes they're scared. I mean they're like, look, this
Speaker 8: is what's going on? Or the more common questions I'll
Speaker 8: never forget in parasitology class, and I'm glad we were talking.
Speaker 8: It's a lie. Oh but everybody has their own life. Okay,
Speaker 8: so humans, there's cats, all there is, so everybody got this.
Speaker 8: So typically when people are like, you know, we'll get
Speaker 8: the physicians or somebody come and say, my dog gave
Speaker 8: me this life was like, nah, you didn't get that
Speaker 8: from the adult.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but they can get Speaking of parasites, mange which
Speaker 10: is a external parasite. And you know the funny things
Speaker 10: we talked about scabies. Yeah, so the dog comes in
Speaker 10: and has no hair and scabies and you're looking at
Speaker 10: say have you been itching? And the funny thing one lady,
Speaker 10: you know, she grabs a shirt and.
Speaker 9: She snatched up ye.
Speaker 8: I'm like, is that what you read? Spots?
Speaker 9: So I'm like, man, please, I'm like.
Speaker 8: You know, you're like, you're not going to get exactly.
Speaker 10: I just asked a question, you know, do you have
Speaker 10: I don't need to see them. If you do, you
Speaker 10: need to go see your dog.
Speaker 8: You have to answer that yes, every time we go
Speaker 8: to the gross stuff.
Speaker 6: Also, I was like, you can get scabies from a pet. Okay,
Speaker 6: so human scabies and cat and dog scabies, they're all
Speaker 6: different species. But you can get some bites if an
Speaker 6: animal is heavily infested, but it's treatable in humans, just
Speaker 6: not by your vet.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Some other people asked about horses and someone wanted to
Speaker 6: know what a horse has a fracture, what can be
Speaker 6: done about it?
Speaker 7: And not not a lot of the shis.
Speaker 8: It's just typically unfortunate because of that weight and just
Speaker 8: the way they're built. Unfortunately, typically that is that leads
Speaker 8: to a veninary medicine decision that we never like to make,
Speaker 8: which is unfortunately euthanized. Most times, there's a lot of
Speaker 8: weight on there.
Speaker 10: It's almost like they're on one finger, so it's a
Speaker 10: lot of weight and it won't heal problem.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 6: Side note, I looked into this and there's a woman
Speaker 6: named doctor Julia Montgomery in Saskatchewan working on research involving
Speaker 6: horse harnesses that could save their lives by lifting them
Speaker 6: up and letting their fractures heal without all that weight.
Speaker 6: So mhm, hippology episode anyone horses.
Speaker 7: Us generally wants to know.
Speaker 6: First question asker, is it really okay for people to
Speaker 6: take fish or other antibiotics? Have you ever known someone
Speaker 6: who did this.
Speaker 9: To take fish fish?
Speaker 8: Yeah, we don't recommend that people take any antibiotics that
Speaker 8: are are prescribed to their animal right.
Speaker 6: I've known people who don't have insurance for like get
Speaker 6: tetracyclic aquariums.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, record not, definitely don't recommend that.
Speaker 6: This next nephrological question was shared by Johnny Waldrop Morgan,
Speaker 6: Alexander Coburn, and Samantha Jacunth. A few people asked about
Speaker 6: preventing kidney disease and kidney's and is adding water.
Speaker 7: To their food a good idea or what else can
Speaker 7: they can people do?
Speaker 8: Low protein?
Speaker 9: Yeah, you want to have water available all the time.
Speaker 8: But okay, low protein foods definitely help because proteins have
Speaker 8: to be broken down and a lot of times that
Speaker 8: that puts more on the kidneys. So yeah, so that's
Speaker 8: one of the things. That's why they have these special
Speaker 8: dyes with less less protein and ash. So you know,
Speaker 8: diet is one big thing that we do see and
Speaker 8: I definitely see the angle that will coming from because
Speaker 8: we see a lot of kidney disease and UH in animals.
Speaker 8: And going back to technology, they have a new test.
Speaker 6: What is d m A J I know, you want
Speaker 6: to know what SMDA means, and I looked it up
Speaker 6: and it's metric dimethyl largan symmetric dimethyl RG nine s
Speaker 6: md A. But it's not to be confused with an
Speaker 6: SMDH test, which is the threshold at which something makes
Speaker 6: you shake your damn.
Speaker 8: Head, which tells us before they even develop it. Now, right,
Speaker 8: it's really it's really would you said that test maybe
Speaker 8: come along about two years ago at the most, which
Speaker 8: is just amazing. It's amazing technology. Where before we looked
Speaker 8: at karat nine and blood you're real not just in
Speaker 8: which tell us this animal is in kidney failure. But
Speaker 8: now a totally healthy kidney, we can find out those
Speaker 8: things by something called the SDMH test. It's pretty cheap,
Speaker 8: and you know, we recommend doing those as an earlier preventative,
Speaker 8: maybe at least after what six and then five six,
Speaker 8: and we'll know it before and we can start making
Speaker 8: some some different medical type change the preventive. So that
Speaker 8: would be the one thing. Try to do some preventative
Speaker 8: tests that, more than anything can can let let us
Speaker 8: know if there's a precursor to kidten disease.
Speaker 10: Because a lot of time they thing can be hereditary.
Speaker 10: So testing them yearly or even when they get older
Speaker 10: every six months, to kiss these things before they start
Speaker 10: causing failure, we definitely have a better chance.
Speaker 8: And they're pretty inexpensive. I mean we're talking probably listening
Speaker 8: with eighty books. I mean, it's not a terribly expensiveness.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh, that's good to know.
Speaker 6: Lauren Mascaboda asked about mental illness or behavioral disorders and pets.
Speaker 6: They have a cat with anxiety, another with behaviors that
Speaker 6: the research compares closes with OCD. How about animals that
Speaker 6: you put on prozac or how does that does that help?
Speaker 7: How does it work?
Speaker 10: They have we have several behavior drugs. The thing about
Speaker 10: it is most don't work or don't work well without
Speaker 10: having training with it. So basically a lot of them
Speaker 10: put the animals in the frame of mind to learn.
Speaker 10: Then they have to be trained from there. A lot
Speaker 10: of dogs have separational anxiety. Owners leave, they just tear
Speaker 10: the house up. They have to be put on medicaid.
Speaker 10: But there are certain training things we have to do
Speaker 10: along with it. They have to do at home. It's
Speaker 10: not like you're gonna get a medication. Everything's gonna go away,
Speaker 10: it's gonna be fine. You have to do other things
Speaker 10: along with.
Speaker 6: It, such as doctor Hodges explains, okay.
Speaker 8: And some simple things you can do is, let's say
Speaker 8: you're gonna sit home and watch television. Grab your keys,
Speaker 8: shake them and if you if you have a pocketbook,
Speaker 8: grab your pocketbook and sit on the sofa. Because this
Speaker 8: dog is getting wound up. It's watching you, it's getting
Speaker 8: the cues. It knows like, okay, this guy is about
Speaker 8: leave or this lady's about to leave, So find those
Speaker 8: cues that kind of you usually do. But just sit home,
Speaker 8: sit home that night. So let's say you come home.
Speaker 8: One thing we recommend is if the dog is really
Speaker 8: really gonna ignore the dog you ignored initially coming in.
Speaker 8: Let's say you get home, you kind of wind down,
Speaker 8: grab your keys, grab your pocketbook, shake them and just
Speaker 8: sit down and watch TV or sit down with the
Speaker 8: dog and it all won't pick up on those cues.
Speaker 8: Those are some of the training things you can do
Speaker 8: that are really simple.
Speaker 6: Okay, Oh that's good to know. And a few people
Speaker 6: including Lacy Olain and Jennifer Lemon, Kim Bonnaker, Katie Viles
Speaker 6: and Elizabeth Emily, Jean Demies Binoza, Jessica Drew, and Justin
Speaker 6: Darr who wanted to know about grain free versus grain
Speaker 6: inclusive diets. Everyone seems to have an opinion. Nobody knows
Speaker 6: what to eat. How do you feel about it?
Speaker 9: We need to go down the road.
Speaker 8: Oh boy, I'll tell you I'm asked this every day,
Speaker 8: so I'll tell you I don't know the answer. But
Speaker 8: this is the thought though, because I've talked to actually
Speaker 8: the Druid reps and you know, there was a test
Speaker 8: and there was a trial and they were found that
Speaker 8: a small sample did develop cardiovascal disease brain free, right,
Speaker 8: I spread that study. So there was a study. So
Speaker 8: I mean, is there's been millions and millions of dogs
Speaker 8: that have eaten this, and this was a small sample.
Speaker 8: Now I don't know, I tell them, but this is
Speaker 8: what I say all my life. They've told me to
Speaker 8: drink a glass of wine every day to live forever.
Speaker 8: A couple of years ago they say, look, you drink
Speaker 8: a glass of wine, you're gonna die. So I don't
Speaker 8: know the answer. I'll be honest. So I mean it's
Speaker 8: just testing. If there are more tests, I'll be honest.
Speaker 8: I just don't know, because because it's just not enough tests.
Speaker 8: It's that one study. So I don't know where to
Speaker 8: drink one or us. I guess if I've been told all.
Speaker 10: Their studies that even the regular food doesn't carry there's
Speaker 10: not a lot of grain in it, so it's not
Speaker 10: enough to even make a difference.
Speaker 9: But we don't know. There are millions of dog foods.
Speaker 10: One thing I can say is a lot of times
Speaker 10: when different fats come out, we have fats for I
Speaker 10: don't know if maybe they're not fast, but things that
Speaker 10: are for humans, we transition those things right over to
Speaker 10: the animal world, and we fashion them to make them
Speaker 10: look pretty, and we label things that are attractive to us.
Speaker 10: They may not necessarily be good for your animal. May
Speaker 10: not make a difference, but because they're attracted, it's marketing.
Speaker 10: We grab it because they said it was good for us,
Speaker 10: she suld be good for my animal. That's not always
Speaker 10: the case. You know, A lot of the jury is
Speaker 10: still out on a lot of stuff.
Speaker 8: So that I don't know. I mean, I'm you know,
Speaker 8: just like everybody else. We were bumbarbared questions with our
Speaker 8: clients who see stuff on social media. I've researched, and
Speaker 8: there is that one study, but I mean, it's not
Speaker 8: a huge, huge study, so I'll be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I read that that study was funded by Purina.
Speaker 8: All right, so that's exact. So you so you were
Speaker 8: kind of all over the place with right, So I'm
Speaker 8: not sure, okay.
Speaker 6: Side note in case you're unfamiliar with this study titled
Speaker 6: Diet associated dilated Cardiomyopathy and Dogs, What do We Know?
Speaker 6: It was published in the Journal of the American Veterinary
Speaker 6: Medical Association in late twenty eighteen, and it relates grain
Speaker 6: free diets high end legomes like peas and lentils, with
Speaker 6: some statistics on reported heart problems in certain breeds like
Speaker 6: golden retrievers. Now, a lot of vets are not super
Speaker 6: convinced by this. All seem to say way more research
Speaker 6: is needed. And if you do scroll down to the
Speaker 6: bottom of this study under the acknowledgment section, you'll see
Speaker 6: that its lead author has received research support by Purina,
Speaker 6: which makes a lot of grain inclusive foods interesting. Now,
Speaker 6: speaking of research, what do two vets think about using
Speaker 6: CBD or cannabinoid oil for our furry and scaly and
Speaker 6: feathered friends, Melanie Baker, Amelia Hines, Michelle Krebs, and Teresa Bosnova.
Speaker 6: I want to know what about Melanie Baker wants to
Speaker 6: know is there enough data or research yet on CBD
Speaker 6: usage for pets to draw any conclusions about efficacy for
Speaker 6: pain or inflammation or fear anxiety.
Speaker 8: So that's something just started yet. That's another thing.
Speaker 10: It's probably pretty similar to the grain. You know, they're
Speaker 10: pros and there are no cons the colony it doesn't work.
Speaker 10: But we're seeing more and more products that are being
Speaker 10: labeled and you know it depends on what state. There
Speaker 10: are certain certain states as well as ven there is
Speaker 10: concerned if we can use it or we can't use it. Yeah,
Speaker 10: so it's not something that's widely used yet, but if
Speaker 10: definitely probably going to.
Speaker 8: Be okay, I mean just and personally, I don't know,
Speaker 8: you know, again, it's some but I have seen some
Speaker 8: cases that it seems that people who kind of use
Speaker 8: it in conjunction with the seizure medicine, that the seizures
Speaker 8: do go down somewhat. I have kind of, you know,
Speaker 8: I've seen some cases that I think, you know, I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't have scientific proof, but it seems that I've
Speaker 8: seen some cases that possibly that it may help. You know,
Speaker 8: some epileptic type says possibly yes.
Speaker 6: And then let's say, I'm this is a question asking
Speaker 6: for a friend, your friend being my dog. So who
Speaker 6: else asked about weight management? Absolutely? No one, just me.
Speaker 6: I was literally the only person with this question. Okay, well,
Speaker 6: then this is for all the people who were maybe
Speaker 6: ashamed to ask how you deal with a chunk and
Speaker 6: when to intervene if you're once emaciated, rescue orphan becomes
Speaker 6: an absolute unit. She's like twelve pounds, maybe she's gotten
Speaker 6: to be about thirteen And how much should I be
Speaker 6: walking a little dog a day?
Speaker 8: All right? When you say thirteen pounds? Is that a
Speaker 8: that is that a Georgia thirteen pounds. Well you got
Speaker 8: a little bit, you know, you mean some some collar
Speaker 8: greens and a little bit.
Speaker 7: Definitely. I got her in July. She was a rescue.
Speaker 6: She was emaciated and she's seven, and she she just
Speaker 6: you could feel every bone and now she's.
Speaker 10: I can tell you one thing that an old veterinarian
Speaker 10: told me a long time ago.
Speaker 9: Is you can kill them with kindness.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 10: A lot of issues come from being obese and overweight.
Speaker 10: So just because you're telling me that you think it is,
Speaker 10: it is. Okay, Okay, that's how it works. So you
Speaker 10: want to be careful because of joint issues, you know,
Speaker 10: being too heavy. Not being mobile when we get older
Speaker 10: is another big thing. So what you may want to
Speaker 10: do is maybe find a diet that's lower lower car Yeah,
Speaker 10: or maybe even weight reduction.
Speaker 8: This is number one question. The food probably is fine?
Speaker 8: Her again, Oh how many?
Speaker 7: Maybe like three a week? Not a lot, not a lot,
Speaker 7: But I think I need so this.
Speaker 8: Maybe we'll truy.
Speaker 7: We both need to go.
Speaker 8: We're gonna use green but we're gonna say green beans. Okay,
Speaker 8: green beans is a good treat. Yeah, let's try green beans.
Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, that's so smart. Are you supposed to be
Speaker 6: able to feel a dog or cats ribs?
Speaker 9: You don't want to see them?
Speaker 10: Okay, but you want to when you If I'm standing
Speaker 10: behind a dog or cat and I'm reaching on both sides,
Speaker 10: I want to feel them without having to press too hard.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 10: I should be able to feel them by rubbed. If
Speaker 10: I have to press a little bit, then we got
Speaker 10: a little bit too much fat there. Okay, but I
Speaker 10: don't want to see them because we're too thin. So
Speaker 10: that's a good way to judge what we are as
Speaker 10: far as scoring them body condition.
Speaker 6: So guess who got a treat of agreed be today
Speaker 6: and didn't hate it? That's right, my chunky little love muffin,
Speaker 6: my small monkey, my little smunk.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 6: Also in naphology, I said I had a pet raccoon,
Speaker 6: and I was referring to Gramy, who was the dog
Speaker 6: and very much not a raccoon, despite looking like a
Speaker 6: raccoon and her pre adoption life of being a dumpster
Speaker 6: goblin on the streets, which is hard to even think
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 7: I can't even think about it.
Speaker 6: Speaking of difficult things and the last questions I always ask, yes,
Speaker 6: I always ask the hardest thing about your job first,
Speaker 6: the worst thing about your job.
Speaker 7: Even the most annoying thing. Is it paperwork? Is it?
Speaker 6: Is it having to stick hands anywhere?
Speaker 7: Weird? What's the hardest thing about being a bad for me?
Speaker 8: It's pretty easy. I mean, it couldn't dry. It's probably
Speaker 8: the same answer. But so being in practice now twenty
Speaker 8: years we've had, we're having to have the luxury now
Speaker 8: of seeing a full life cycle of adult. So we
Speaker 8: see a puppy that we've had, we've got it at
Speaker 8: six weeks old, and we've watched it become fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 8: sixteen seventeen, and sometimes, you know, we've been when this dog,
Speaker 8: we've been with these people. We've watched the kids grow up,
Speaker 8: you know in some cases and we have the unfortunate
Speaker 8: leader and suffer. So you know, it's many cases now
Speaker 8: where we've watched them grow up and they'll say, well, Doc,
Speaker 8: can we wait a few hours because the kid is
Speaker 8: in college and they want to come be with us.
Speaker 8: So you have this kid come back who you've watched
Speaker 8: grew up with this pet, the pet and the family,
Speaker 8: and it's just heartbreaking. That's the hardest part for me.
Speaker 9: Definitely ethanagia. It's tough.
Speaker 10: Just being on an emotional roller coaster sometimes he mentioned earlier.
Speaker 10: You know, you may have that client in the room
Speaker 10: for that you know you're in and you're consoling them,
Speaker 10: and you've seen this patient since they were born. Basically
Speaker 10: you've seen the family and the kids grow up, and
Speaker 10: you have to go next door and there's a client
Speaker 10: in here that has a six week old puppy of
Speaker 10: kid that's just starting this thing off. So you're emotionally
Speaker 10: going from one state to another state. And sometime this
Speaker 10: goes own and own, so emotionally sometime it can take
Speaker 10: a toll. So that's probably the toughest part of the job.
Speaker 10: And just being able to regroup, go in another room,
Speaker 10: start over, and.
Speaker 8: That hum and on them bond like were talking about,
Speaker 8: but I mean it's a human vent there bond too,
Speaker 8: because we washed these dogs. I mean we washed them,
Speaker 8: we know them, we know the people we know. And
Speaker 8: being in rural Georgia, Jesus again, I talked about the
Speaker 8: grocery store. These are the same people who see you
Speaker 8: in the grocery store and say, hey, Doc, Penelope is
Speaker 8: doing really good, and like okay, or hey doc, I
Speaker 8: gotta come see you because Penelope is not really doing
Speaker 8: good and I'm afraid we're gonna have to make that decision.
Speaker 8: And you dread that, you really do.
Speaker 6: How do you guys make sure that you and bats
Speaker 6: in general take care of your own mental health because
Speaker 6: they know that that's something that that.
Speaker 8: Is very that is, that is something that the profession
Speaker 8: is really looking at, because unfortunately we have had, you know,
Speaker 8: a suicide, doctor Ferson. We went to your classmates who
Speaker 8: own a practice unfortunately committed suicide six eight months ago.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's it is a mental roller coaster. Just
Speaker 8: just get with your peers. I mean, we have to
Speaker 8: talk about it and talk it through because sometimes, you know,
Speaker 8: it's tough. I mean, you you feel down and you
Speaker 8: you can you can fix one hundred animals, but if
Speaker 8: you lose that one, that's the one you think about.
Speaker 8: You know, people don't understand that's the one that eats
Speaker 8: at you. That's the one that when you go home
Speaker 8: and says your table, you're like, oh, could have done
Speaker 8: something different. That is that is you know, And and
Speaker 8: it's hard because we were used to success and we
Speaker 8: wanted to be one hundred percent. But it there is
Speaker 8: in that eat such a lot.
Speaker 9: And they're definitely stuf.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 10: In our profession now is called compassion fatigue, which is
Speaker 10: a new term that they use, and and that's exactly
Speaker 10: what it is, is just fatigue from compassion. You know,
Speaker 10: you just love it. We're in the profession for a reason.
Speaker 10: We didn't get in here because we didn't like animals.
Speaker 10: We're here because we love them. And you know, we
Speaker 10: have to make those tough decisions sometimes or sometimes they
Speaker 10: come in and they don't make it, and like you said,
Speaker 10: we want everyone to make it, you know, and you
Speaker 10: start questioning yourself, could I have done something better? And
Speaker 10: you know that that's nothing. Could you could have done better?
Speaker 10: But another thing about veterinarians, we're all want everything to
Speaker 10: be one, right. That's kind of who we are as
Speaker 10: a That's who we are. So if it doesn't go
Speaker 10: like we want to go, we really stress ourselves, put
Speaker 10: a lot of pressure on ourselves and that and then
Speaker 10: we have to go from there to the room that
Speaker 10: now we're starting with a new pleapod and then you
Speaker 10: have to go home and you take it home, you know.
Speaker 10: So it is something that mental health is a big
Speaker 10: thing in vent there in medicine and we're we're learning
Speaker 10: how to deal with it and cope with it. And
Speaker 10: you know, once you have a classmate or someone you
Speaker 10: know that has it has happened to you know it's real,
Speaker 10: then it's it coming more and more.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, and again not knocking physicians, I
Speaker 8: mean some of my best friends of physician, but if
Speaker 8: a person goes to a physician and they have a
Speaker 8: lung and their physician thinks is cancer, they'll refer and
Speaker 8: you go see somebody in two weeks, right, you're waiting
Speaker 8: to get in maybe four weeks. A dog comes in
Speaker 8: with a lump. I gotta think, okay, is this cancer.
Speaker 8: I gotta figured out. I may have to buy off it.
Speaker 8: I might even have to serge to be taken off
Speaker 8: all within three hours. You know, you gotta figured out
Speaker 8: you gotta take it off. You gotta look at his
Speaker 8: histopathology under mix and make this decision. Whereas even on
Speaker 8: in humans, if they come in, you know, we give
Speaker 8: our physician okay, well he thinks lump. I gotta wait
Speaker 8: to get into on colleges, I mean, you have to
Speaker 8: be in on colleges. You have to be these things
Speaker 8: and that that can mentally put you in some tough places.
Speaker 6: But you're wearing every hat for every you got a
Speaker 6: camel over here and you're his on college, and you've
Speaker 6: got a spider over here, and you're it's it's nutrition.
Speaker 8: So it is, it is. It is a tough thing.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of ologies.
Speaker 6: When I listened to go, when I went to title
Speaker 6: this episode, I was like, is it veterinary technology? And
Speaker 6: but a veterinary technologist is a completely different more.
Speaker 9: Or less system.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah. The nurse yeah, and they also help you
Speaker 7: run everything. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we'll give claps to them to be sure.
Speaker 10: You can do it without it. Yes, I was initially
Speaker 10: trained as a veterinary technician. Oh yeah, that's how I
Speaker 10: got started.
Speaker 7: So oh wow.
Speaker 9: I definitely have appreciation for that, for the technician and
Speaker 9: the nurses.
Speaker 6: And what about the best thing about being a bat?
Speaker 7: What is something that just gives you butterfly still gets
Speaker 7: you out of.
Speaker 8: Bed every day and every day and it's different, Like
Speaker 8: when I'm driving to work, I can be a dermatologist,
Speaker 8: a cardiologist our own colleges, a surgeon, a pediatrician who
Speaker 8: delivers about yeah, obstetrician. I may do it see sex
Speaker 8: all before lunchtime.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I always say, you know if Veninarion has
Speaker 10: a special job, because we can make everyone in the
Speaker 10: house happy. Because if you bring me your animal, your
Speaker 10: dog or cat, and it's not doing well and I
Speaker 10: help you make it well, not only does a dog
Speaker 10: feel better, you feel better, So we can make the
Speaker 10: whole house happy.
Speaker 8: There you go.
Speaker 6: You're excited to go from being vets and being vets
Speaker 6: at TV stars.
Speaker 8: Also, well we are and we get that question all
Speaker 8: the time. So I don't know we'll be TV stars.
Speaker 8: I don't know how this will go, but I can
Speaker 8: promise you one I think we'll always be Southern gentlemen.
Speaker 8: I promise you that they don't never change.
Speaker 7: And friends, Yes, that's.
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Speaker 6: Isolate, Isolate, Isolate, wash your hands and listen to the
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Speaker 6: This week, if you stick around until the end of
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Speaker 6: week's secret is I know that we're all isolating. I
Speaker 6: have been sleeping like twelve hours a day, and I
Speaker 6: think that's just a major catchup. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 6: starting to worry, but I have gotten so little done
Speaker 6: despite having all of this extra time from canceled events.
Speaker 6: And if you're feeling the same way, please do not
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Speaker 7: You're in good company. I'm right there with you.
Speaker 6: And that being said, let's try to do things that
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