Speaker 1: And I had a sense of dread when we first
Speaker 1: pulled in there, and I just tried to ignore it,
Speaker 1: and it didn't take maybe fifteen minutes. I was sitting
Speaker 1: next to the fire and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: hear a foot stomp, and I was just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. I immediately I said to myself, maybe it's
Speaker 1: an elk, But I knew, I knew. I mean, I
Speaker 1: look down at the ground as I'm sitting there, trying
Speaker 1: to act naturalize, like I know what that is.
Speaker 2: I guess the best place to start is back at
Speaker 2: the beginning. How did you get interested in all this
Speaker 2: bigfoot stuff?
Speaker 3: Well, when I was a kid. I didn't realize till
Speaker 3: I was an adult.
Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, we lived on an
Speaker 1: old homestead Yambula, Oregon, and we were way up on
Speaker 1: a mountain, and one day I saw what I thought
Speaker 1: was a man down at our well was down a slope,
Speaker 1: probably one hundred yards from the house, and I was
Speaker 1: just learning to walk again. I had hip problems as
Speaker 1: a kid, at hip disease, so I was kind of
Speaker 1: just learning to be able to walk independently.
Speaker 3: At I was around eleven or so, and the grass.
Speaker 1: Grew super high there, and so I was kind of
Speaker 1: filling the tops of the grass and I looked down
Speaker 1: over the hill and I saw the back of a
Speaker 1: head and slicked back black hair.
Speaker 3: That was the style back then for men. You know,
Speaker 3: the real cream a little devil, do you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It scared me, so I, you know, hobbled back to
Speaker 1: the house and I told my mom there was a
Speaker 1: man down there at our well. And uh, they went
Speaker 1: and looked, and they were they were upset with me.
Speaker 1: They thought maybe that I was making up a story
Speaker 1: or something because they said there's nobody down there. But
Speaker 1: when I think about it as an adult, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: there's only one way in and one way out to that.
Speaker 1: To get to that house, we were literally the end
Speaker 1: of a mile drive and.
Speaker 3: It was one way in, one way out. There was
Speaker 3: you would have had to drive in there.
Speaker 1: So so I figured that out as an adult, I
Speaker 1: was like, Hell, that must have been a sasquatch.
Speaker 3: Had to be.
Speaker 1: Uh, the different noises and stuff we would hear at night,
Speaker 1: like conversation when we'd be out playing. Because you know,
Speaker 1: when you're in the country, especially back in the seventies, Uh,
Speaker 1: you didn't have internet you didn't have. You had three
Speaker 1: channels of television, that's all you had. So we spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time out on that property catching snakes
Speaker 1: and things like alligator, lizards and skinks. We'd be yelling,
Speaker 1: get off our land because you could hear like conversation.
Speaker 1: And again we didn't realize, so.
Speaker 3: We were adults that.
Speaker 1: I had to be sas squashing her because it couldn't
Speaker 1: be humans. Why would there be humans, And they would
Speaker 1: have had to drive all the way from gas and.
Speaker 3: Then through that you can hear people coming a mile
Speaker 3: away when we'd have guests and stuff.
Speaker 1: So again that's something I figured out once I became
Speaker 1: an adult.
Speaker 3: And then I met Will Jebning.
Speaker 1: We worked at the same company and we were giving
Speaker 1: each other rides home as in one day he says,
Speaker 1: they don't want to tell you something, but you got
Speaker 1: to keep it to yourself.
Speaker 3: And told me you did big foot stuff.
Speaker 1: And I had about twenty books in my house on
Speaker 1: that subject, and I told him, yeah, I've been I've
Speaker 1: been fascinated with this for years myself, but I never
Speaker 1: I never We never went looking for him or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Just every once in a while you'd stumble
Speaker 1: on a track that you just'd be like hmm. When
Speaker 1: I was in job Corps, we climbed Vulcan Mountain. It
Speaker 1: took us seven hours to climb Vulcan Mountain. And we
Speaker 1: found one track on the top where it overlooked the
Speaker 1: valley and it was.
Speaker 3: A muddy just a muddy spot with the rest of
Speaker 3: it was all granted and it obviously stood. This was
Speaker 3: a right foot, so it obviously stood with the left
Speaker 3: foot on on the.
Speaker 1: Boulder that was there and is and the right foot
Speaker 1: was was in that that uh, that mud. We went
Speaker 1: back down the mountain and and uh, they gave us
Speaker 1: a bag of lime since we didn't have anything else.
Speaker 1: They thought we were just messing with them. So we
Speaker 1: went we climbed that mountain again and climbed I mean
Speaker 1: we walked up at you know, it's pretty steep. But
Speaker 1: it took us many hours. But we filled that track
Speaker 1: in with that line, took the picture. And then the
Speaker 1: guy that ran uh that job corps was Ed Allen.
Speaker 1: He was head of the forestry service in that particular area.
Speaker 3: He took our film. Uh, he took our picture and
Speaker 3: didn't give it back. And yeah, this thing was a
Speaker 3: huge print he said, that's nothing more than a shi
Speaker 3: gris up there, and we're you know, I didn't know
Speaker 3: what a grizzly bear track look like, but I know
Speaker 3: what they look like now thanks to the Internet. But
Speaker 3: and a bear track, and that was not a bear track.
Speaker 3: That was that was one huge wide foot that but you.
Speaker 1: Know that was you could feel while you were up
Speaker 1: on that mountain too, just that a little bit of
Speaker 1: a sense of look around type of thing.
Speaker 3: You felt like something was kind of watching you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the whole time when we're walking up that,
Speaker 1: like I said, it took six or seven hours. In
Speaker 1: one section, we'd see big horn sheep laying down just
Speaker 1: staring at us. And then you get to a higher
Speaker 1: section and then there's elk just just looking at you.
Speaker 3: They don't get a lot of human.
Speaker 1: Interaction there, and so yeah, that was fascinating for me
Speaker 1: because I'd never seen a big horn sheep before. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was just the beginning of that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. And then you know, meeting Will Jevning. We
Speaker 1: were fast friends for about about almost two years.
Speaker 3: I mean like real close.
Speaker 1: But man, we would go out and we would never
Speaker 1: see anything, nothing, not anything, And the very the very
Speaker 1: second that we decided we didn't want to do it anymore. Uh,
Speaker 1: my wife and I go to what's called the Devil's
Speaker 1: Backbone to camp for the weekend, and there's a whole
Speaker 1: line of like maybe four or five inch tracks, and
Speaker 1: I measured them out for the distance between the is
Speaker 1: between the stride was forty inches.
Speaker 3: Somewhere in there spent a lot of years. And then
Speaker 3: I realized.
Speaker 1: After a while that those were all left feet, so
Speaker 1: it probably had the It was the way that that
Speaker 1: road was with the gravel and the dirt and the
Speaker 1: clay and all that stuff, was its left foot was
Speaker 1: basically on the clay.
Speaker 3: The right foot would have been on the gravel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that means it probably was a twenty
Speaker 1: inch spread, I guess if I wanted to break it down.
Speaker 3: And if you'd add the right foot and all that.
Speaker 1: So that was the first We're like wow, man, because
Speaker 1: what kind of made me nervous was at that time
Speaker 1: we all believed that they were friendly gorillas of some kind,
Speaker 1: and I was just worried about, Jesus, where's the mom
Speaker 1: if this thing?
Speaker 3: Because you didn't see any big tracks.
Speaker 1: So it was, yeah, my wife and I were looking
Speaker 1: at that, and we had our at that time, our
Speaker 1: youngest son was like three, so we're like, let's just
Speaker 1: get out of here and get back to the you know,
Speaker 1: the camp we were at that. I mean, we never
Speaker 1: had any anything happened in the Devil's Backbone ever. It
Speaker 1: just that was the one and only time. It was
Speaker 1: the time we broke away from the Will Jevining and
Speaker 1: his group. She ended up having to take care of
Speaker 1: her mom for many, many, many years, so we had
Speaker 1: quit camping all together. We hadn't been in the forest
Speaker 1: for fifteen or so years, you know. In twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: we started because her mom had passed away. In twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: we decided we would start camping again. So we would
Speaker 1: we would go up called the eighty one Road, and
Speaker 1: you go up past Marrow Lake, which we found out
Speaker 1: is kind of a popular place for Sasquatch sightings, and
Speaker 1: Cliff Brockman can can back all that up.
Speaker 3: But we, uh, we were in the lower camps.
Speaker 1: We didn't know that there were higher camps, and you
Speaker 1: always had this feeling something was watching you. And then
Speaker 1: one night something went through stuff in our camp. Could
Speaker 1: have it could have been a human being. Because there
Speaker 1: was people out there camping. Uh, but there was beers missing.
Speaker 1: And back then we smoked a pack of cigarettes was gone,
Speaker 1: and we're just like, what the heck, you know, And
Speaker 1: we didn't think for a second it was a sasquatch.
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, some people since then puld Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't think they sasquatch smoking cigarettes and drinking our beer.
Speaker 3: I mean, you never know. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, I mean he could
Speaker 1: have drank the beers, but I don't know about lighting
Speaker 1: a cigarette.
Speaker 3: But it was at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: We had decided to drive further up to eighty one,
Speaker 1: and we found all these really nice camps, so we
Speaker 1: decided we'd camp, you know, for the following year, and
Speaker 1: we went up there. The big Foot was the last
Speaker 1: thing on our mind when I when some people are like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you take pictures of this or that, we
Speaker 1: weren't looking for sasquatch, When with that first real encounter,
Speaker 1: that was the furthest thing on our minds.
Speaker 3: And we had we had extra days off. The company
Speaker 3: was struggling a little bit, so they gave us extra
Speaker 3: days off for that holiday weekend that's in September, and
Speaker 3: so we we had picked out a campsite, but it
Speaker 3: was further up and somebody was already in it. And
Speaker 3: this was like Thursday. So as we were.
Speaker 1: Coming back down, we found another one that was with
Speaker 1: a creek and all that stuff and off the road,
Speaker 1: and so we set up all our stuff. And I
Speaker 1: had a sense of dread when we first pulled in there,
Speaker 1: and I just tried to ignore it. And we got
Speaker 1: it all set up. My wife still had to work,
Speaker 1: so I decided I'd stay the night and all that
Speaker 1: she left, and it didn't take maybe fifteen minutes. I
Speaker 1: was sitting next to the fire and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I hear a foot stomp and I was just like.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I immediately I said to myself, maybe it's a nolk,
Speaker 1: but I knew, I knew. I mean, I looked down
Speaker 1: at the ground as I'm sitting there, trying to naturalize,
Speaker 1: like I know what that is.
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea how many years had passed
Speaker 2: since you were doing bigfoot stuff in that moment?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? When did we go away from Jamming?
Speaker 1: Oh God, like ninety I think we pulled away from
Speaker 1: him in ninety three. Or ninety five, so that was
Speaker 1: the last time we'd ever done anything bigfoot wise. We
Speaker 1: had camped up until I think two thousand was the
Speaker 1: last time we camped before she started taking care of
Speaker 1: her mom.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was quite a We quit doing bigfoot anything when
Speaker 1: we splintered away from the Pacific Sasquatch coasts. Something he
Speaker 1: had something from that I don't remember the name. That's
Speaker 1: how important it is to me now I don't remember.
Speaker 2: But like a good fifteen to twenty years had passed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, a long time. That stomp I made
Speaker 3: me think about.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's scared to crap at me because I
Speaker 1: know that elk stomp and I've been like standing next
Speaker 1: to buck deer that they're smaller, so I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of aggravating them.
Speaker 3: They're stomping at me and snorting, and this was real heavy.
Speaker 1: So I just thought to myself, because most of my
Speaker 1: native family tell you, they know what fire sticks are,
Speaker 1: and that's would be a gun. They know what bows
Speaker 1: and arrows are and all that stuff. So I pulled
Speaker 1: my little revolver out. It was just a thirty two magnum,
Speaker 1: pretty rare nowadays. It was an old police bulldog issue
Speaker 1: and I set that on the table.
Speaker 3: I made sure that it was out where it could
Speaker 3: be seen.
Speaker 1: I actually held it up and I set it on
Speaker 1: the table that was next to me, and then I
Speaker 1: pulled my bowie knife and I laid that on the
Speaker 1: table too, and I just tried to I looked at
Speaker 1: the fire, and I was just kind of trying to
Speaker 1: act natural, and then it's a stomp happened again. So
Speaker 1: I got up and I grabbed my chair. I did
Speaker 1: everything as calm as I could. Plus I threw two
Speaker 1: whole bundles of wood on the fire, and it was
Speaker 1: going up pretty high. So I walked over to our tent,
Speaker 1: which was several yards away. We like to keep our
Speaker 1: tents way away from the fire. And I sat there
Speaker 1: for about ten or fifteen minutes until I started feeling
Speaker 1: like everything would be okay.
Speaker 3: So I walked back over.
Speaker 1: There and I sat down and I just cracked open
Speaker 1: a beer and I heard actual footsteps, like two footsteps,
Speaker 1: loud and clear, and I just I got up without
Speaker 1: I just got up again, and I threw all the
Speaker 1: wood I had on the fire, which I'm so lucky
Speaker 1: I didn't start a forest fire. That was easily.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, there's like six split logs in a pack
Speaker 4: that you buy, and I had thrown seven of those
Speaker 4: all together on that and the fire was raging.
Speaker 1: In fact, some of the trees nearby started kind of
Speaker 1: waving back and forth from the energy of the fire.
Speaker 2: Were you just trying to light the area up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That, and I was hoping to scare them. And so
Speaker 1: they're not afraid of fire, I can tell you that now.
Speaker 1: But I so I went back to the tent and
Speaker 1: I sat there and something caught the corner of my.
Speaker 3: Eye scared the crap out of me.
Speaker 1: I look over and here's a jet black cottontail walked
Speaker 1: out of that berry where the berries are.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, it scared the crap out
Speaker 3: of me.
Speaker 1: And Doug Hijack told me that when he had his
Speaker 1: encounter that he also saw a black a wild black cottontail.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I was just like, really, what a coincidence?
Speaker 3: It just man, I started my mind started clouding up,
Speaker 3: you know, being afraid and all that stuff. And I've
Speaker 3: only taken like.
Speaker 1: A sip out of that beer and I set it
Speaker 1: down because I didn't the last thing I wanted to do,
Speaker 1: is if somebody did pull into our camp and I
Speaker 1: could get a ride home or get out of there.
Speaker 3: Is I didn't want to think I was a ring
Speaker 3: drunk or something like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just I just set it on the ground,
Speaker 1: and just before it got dark, it was just just
Speaker 1: getting to the point where you couldn't see very good.
Speaker 1: I went ahead and got in the tent and our lantern.
Speaker 1: She was going to bring fuel the next day, so
Speaker 1: I had like a half of a cylinder and I
Speaker 1: turned that on and left it outside the tent, just
Speaker 1: in the chair, and I laid in there with I
Speaker 1: didn't put no covers on or nothing, and I was
Speaker 1: soaked from the rain would come and then leave. The
Speaker 1: rain would come and then leave, and I just lay
Speaker 1: it in there and kind of covered up a little
Speaker 1: bit with a blanket and just waited. I had my
Speaker 1: gun in one hand and I had my knife in
Speaker 1: the other. And because they started almost as soon as
Speaker 1: I went in the tent, they started this humming thing.
Speaker 1: And the closest thing I can see that it is
Speaker 1: one I got home. After that weekend, I went on
Speaker 1: line and I was looking up all the different animals
Speaker 1: and It sounded like that sound that elephants make, but
Speaker 1: it couldn't have been imps because you can't hear in
Speaker 1: for sound. But it sounded like that, that whole type
Speaker 1: of thing. But it just was steady. Some people like
Speaker 1: Doug Highcheck think that they perr.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I have no idea. All I know
Speaker 3: is that it that humming thing. It just didn't stop,
Speaker 3: and it was I was.
Speaker 1: In that tent, wet from the rain and also soaking
Speaker 1: wet from sweat and fear. I just I laid in
Speaker 1: there and listened to that and listened to that, and
Speaker 1: I was driving me nuts. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, I had to pee, so I just I held.
Speaker 3: It, and I held it. I held it. It was dark.
Speaker 3: I finally about I don't know, one or two in
Speaker 3: the morning. It's been ten years now.
Speaker 1: I opened the tent and I was just going to
Speaker 1: pee out of it, and I look across the camp
Speaker 1: and there's an orb of a good size.
Speaker 3: I didn't know it was an orb.
Speaker 1: Then it looked like when a kid takes the wand
Speaker 1: for bubbles and puts it in the big one, the
Speaker 1: big circle, and then does the thing.
Speaker 3: This looked like a soap bubble.
Speaker 1: There was about I don't know, sixteen inches long, and
Speaker 1: it was like moving like a soap bubble too.
Speaker 3: Staying in, I did not dropping or going higher. In
Speaker 3: a steady motion.
Speaker 1: About three feet off the ground, I could be through it,
Speaker 1: but it had this red tin all the way around it,
Speaker 1: all the way around it, and I could tell it
Speaker 1: was alive. I mean, I was just like you could
Speaker 1: feel that it was alive. I closed the tent back up,
Speaker 1: still didn't get to and I kind of yelled, I
Speaker 1: can't I can't f and handle both of you at
Speaker 1: the same time because the subsquatch thing was just killing me.
Speaker 3: There was nobody up there that you know.
Speaker 1: I would have literally got out and walked if there
Speaker 1: was somebody in another camp nearby, but being a Thursday,
Speaker 1: there was nobody there except higher than me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I just and I knew the fight
Speaker 3: or flight thing was completely That's why I just walked
Speaker 3: normal to get back to get in the tent to
Speaker 3: begin with. But yeah, finally, right about man, if I
Speaker 3: can remember correctly, somewhere around five something in the morning,
Speaker 3: it let out a very long.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it because the forest is
Speaker 1: right behind me here where we and this I hunt
Speaker 1: back there and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So and they are back here. So I'm just not
Speaker 3: going to do that call. But it did a call
Speaker 3: that it was a very aggressive and ended it whether
Speaker 3: you know, this was like sixteen inches sixteen inches sixteen
Speaker 3: seconds long, and I was just laying in the tent
Speaker 3: went oh my god. But it ended with a huah.
Speaker 3: And that's all I'm going to tell you is that.
Speaker 3: But I had never heard anything like that in my life.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, and it sounds like a
Speaker 1: big man or something. I was like, maybe it's somebody
Speaker 1: over there screwing with me. But I waited till it
Speaker 1: was daylight and I got out, and the tension, the
Speaker 1: tension when I got out of that that tent with
Speaker 1: daylight was just for me. The way I always try
Speaker 1: to tell the people is when you're in the same
Speaker 1: room with somebody and you're working and you cannot stand them,
Speaker 1: both of you cannot stand each other. That's what it
Speaker 1: felt like. This tension just so thick and and oh
Speaker 1: my god. I looked down there at that beer. First,
Speaker 1: I just stood there and peed I was going to
Speaker 1: pass out if I didn't pee, and then I looked
Speaker 1: down at that beer and I picked it up and
Speaker 1: it was full of like it rained all night, and
Speaker 1: I just kind of yelled over. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't care, I'm going to drink this beer. And I
Speaker 1: took like four big swigs. It tasted like water and beer,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was, but oh my god, I
Speaker 1: drank that thing all the way down. I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I was soaking wet, and I could smell myself
Speaker 1: from the from all the sweating and stuff. So through
Speaker 1: the last two bundles of wood I had over the
Speaker 1: coals and it started up real nice, and I took
Speaker 1: my clothes off and I burned them. And I don't
Speaker 1: know why, I just I got I'm getting rid of them.
Speaker 1: And so I went ahead and grabbed some fresh clothes,
Speaker 1: and I made some water on the fire in a
Speaker 1: tea kettle, and I kind of I washed my whole
Speaker 1: body with it, and then I put clean clothes on
Speaker 1: because I just I felt just nasty from all that
Speaker 1: sweat and stuff.
Speaker 3: It's a it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Uh, you feel like you're pinned down like that and
Speaker 1: there's really nothing you can do. And and I had
Speaker 1: literally that night I had gave sent I put a
Speaker 1: message on my phone for my wife to tell her
Speaker 1: that I thought I was going to die that night.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted her to know that I loved
Speaker 1: her and that I would if anything I could do
Speaker 1: to have been a better husband I wish I would
Speaker 1: have done, and how much I loved the boys and
Speaker 1: our grandsons. So uh, and I said, there's a sasquatch
Speaker 1: out there, to not go away.
Speaker 3: So but in the morning, when I made it, I
Speaker 3: erased the message. I was a little on the embarrassed side.
Speaker 3: But you know, they just the tension lasted until about god,
Speaker 3: i'd say ten am. Nine. At ten am, the.
Speaker 1: Birds had come over, the what we call camp robbers
Speaker 1: or scrub jays. They'll eat right out of your hand,
Speaker 1: and so they were making all their noise, and I
Speaker 1: was throwing them food and everything, and I just kept
Speaker 1: talking to the other side of the of the creek,
Speaker 1: and you know that, look, I'm a good guy on
Speaker 1: feed these these birds.
Speaker 3: But they something started imitating the sound of those birds,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't very good. The imitation was awful.
Speaker 1: From the other side of that creek, and so I
Speaker 1: drive I poured myself a couple offee, and I stood
Speaker 1: there and I just happened to look to my left
Speaker 1: for a second, and there was one standing behind a tree.
Speaker 1: It was red, and I could see it's shoulders, but
Speaker 1: it was behind the tree, so all I saw was
Speaker 1: the shoulders, and I quickly.
Speaker 3: Looked forward because I didn't want to look that way again.
Speaker 1: I was drinking my coffee using my perithrio vision, and
Speaker 1: it didn't move.
Speaker 3: It didn't even move, not in any GUIs shape or
Speaker 3: for me, it didn't. So I h I ran out
Speaker 3: of out of wood. So I decided that I was
Speaker 3: going to walk.
Speaker 1: Toward toward the toward the road and looked for wood
Speaker 1: because it was just creeping me out.
Speaker 3: So I did that.
Speaker 1: When I came back, it was gone. But Alexander Petakov,
Speaker 1: when he was up there, he went over there and
Speaker 1: he stood behind the tree and he asked me, can
Speaker 1: you anything?
Speaker 3: And I was like no.
Speaker 1: So then he told me, he says, so this thing
Speaker 1: wasn't as toll as you think it was, because it
Speaker 1: was what was scaring me was it was like the
Speaker 1: shoulders were like eight feet high, and and.
Speaker 3: He told me, he says, there's a there's an old
Speaker 3: stump back there, just directly behind it. And I was like,
Speaker 3: so he took me back there.
Speaker 1: I had never ever gone back there throughout the years,
Speaker 1: and sure enough, as I saw it was basically standing
Speaker 1: on that stump. It's the only way I could have
Speaker 1: done that. So it wasn't the giant that I thought
Speaker 1: it was, thank God.
Speaker 3: But when my wife got there the next day, the
Speaker 3: first thing she said when she got.
Speaker 1: Out of there the car was I put a beer
Speaker 1: can next to a footprint that was right there in
Speaker 1: the camp, and she noticed it as soon as she
Speaker 1: stepped out of the car.
Speaker 3: And then she she also noticed something was wrong with me,
Speaker 3: and she asked me what happened? And I just older.
Speaker 1: So we walked over to the creek and I can't
Speaker 1: believe I had lost I forgot about the creek, and
Speaker 1: I asked her.
Speaker 3: I was like, this creek, this creek was here. We
Speaker 3: look at her.
Speaker 1: She's like, of course, and then she said, remember you
Speaker 1: talked about it's so slow moving that our grandson could
Speaker 1: play in it.
Speaker 3: When they came up a couple days later, we.
Speaker 1: Looked across and I said, well, was that down tree
Speaker 1: there yesterday? And she's like no, and this tree, I
Speaker 1: could hear them during the night praying it like a
Speaker 1: popsicle stick. When you get down eating a popsicle, most
Speaker 1: people always bend it, break it, and pray it apart.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what it found it like. And so this
Speaker 3: tree was.
Speaker 1: Got at least thirty feet tall, but it was only
Speaker 1: like four inches around, and they they broke it right
Speaker 1: at ground level and prayed it until it was laying
Speaker 1: against the bushes across the trail, and then it was.
Speaker 3: Twisted about about fifteen to twenty feet. They twisted it
Speaker 3: and brought.
Speaker 1: It back in it to like a It would have
Speaker 1: been an empty a, but they they grabbed another small
Speaker 1: tree uprooted it, I mean small, like a vine maple.
Speaker 3: It was maybe fifteen feet tall, but it was thin,
Speaker 3: and they.
Speaker 1: Laid that across that, and it looked like it looked
Speaker 1: like some sort of a. I didn't know anything about
Speaker 1: their glyphs or anything. I don't even know if they
Speaker 1: do have those things. It's just that was it looked
Speaker 1: to me like it was purposely done. And so I
Speaker 1: had a buddy that actually went up there a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks later, and he's like he couldn't even snap
Speaker 1: that tree by using his pulling against his knee, and
Speaker 1: he was a big dude. But there was God, there
Speaker 1: was footprints. My wife and I walked across that creek.
Speaker 1: There was footprints everywhere, different sizes, and the biggest one
Speaker 1: was I think probably may have been twenty inches, but.
Speaker 3: There was only one and it.
Speaker 1: Was half sticking out from being on the moss to
Speaker 1: the trail. Good size, but there was mostly there were
Speaker 1: between seven inches to fourteen inches multiple.
Speaker 3: So I my native family always said.
Speaker 1: If they put a tree down, don't cross it, and
Speaker 1: so we didn't cross it. But when my son got
Speaker 1: there the following day, we did cross. Me and him
Speaker 1: went over there, and boy, that whole area was like
Speaker 1: pour up. I mean, trees that were small, trees that
Speaker 1: were down were picked up and tossed, tossed across the
Speaker 1: the trail.
Speaker 3: There was indentse in the ground from where these limbs
Speaker 3: and trees had laid for who knows how long, and
Speaker 3: they were broken trees, all kinds of stuff. There was
Speaker 3: a lot of damage back there.
Speaker 1: But my son, he was mad at my wife for
Speaker 1: we in our family, we don't camp alone and we
Speaker 1: don't hunt alone.
Speaker 3: My wife when she got home that when she dropped me.
Speaker 1: Off, told my told my son that that our son
Speaker 1: that she had, that I was spending the night up there,
Speaker 1: and she's and my son told her, are you going
Speaker 1: to go back and get him? Because he didn't like
Speaker 1: the idea that we were up I was up there
Speaker 1: by myself, but uh yeah, he was. Once he saw
Speaker 1: the tracks and everything, he was really kind of upset
Speaker 1: with us. So and we had my little grandson up
Speaker 1: there the day.
Speaker 3: It was the following day that my wife got there,
Speaker 3: but the tension.
Speaker 1: Went away, and then they started. When my wife got there,
Speaker 1: everything changed. They you could hear them back there talking,
Speaker 1: but it was like if you live.
Speaker 3: In a neighborhood and your neighbor down the block is
Speaker 3: talking with somebody. That's what it sounded like.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it sounded like I worked with death Peel
Speaker 1: at the company I retired from. It sounded like when
Speaker 1: when deaf people are taught trying to talk to you.
Speaker 3: That's what it sounded like back there.
Speaker 1: And my wife and I were sitting as I was
Speaker 1: telling her everything that happened the night before. We were
Speaker 1: sitting there that st to the fire and it was
Speaker 1: it was probably by thirty. We hear in this raven
Speaker 1: circles our camp and on the third circle it stopped
Speaker 1: and it hovered, and just below us in the.
Speaker 3: Bush, the raven goes and this thing goes from the
Speaker 3: bush and probably twenty five feet away from us. Wow.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh God.
Speaker 1: I told my wife, I said, Jesus, there's some pissess
Speaker 1: right over there. And I think that was their juvenile
Speaker 1: but I we never heard any brush cracking, none of
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 3: Then that crow or that raven flew away after that too.
Speaker 3: We're just sitting there. My wife is enjoying this whole thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not so much.
Speaker 1: I hadn't slept in thirty some hours because all the
Speaker 1: shit that went on, so, you know, for me, ugh,
Speaker 1: I just was a mess.
Speaker 3: But so I get up and I walk over take
Speaker 3: a pee right by the creek.
Speaker 1: And I'm wearing a bright red hoodie and I'm standing
Speaker 1: there pee and I look up and this woman's walking
Speaker 1: down the path looking at me, and I'm looking at her.
Speaker 3: It's she's far enough away, you know. And I told
Speaker 3: my wife, great, there's a woman walking down the path.
Speaker 3: And she would look down at to make sure that
Speaker 3: you know that she was not.
Speaker 1: She would look down like you would look down when
Speaker 1: you're walking to make sure you don't trip on something,
Speaker 1: and then she would look at me, and then pretty
Speaker 1: soon she got close enough where I was like, I
Speaker 1: thought it was a heavy set woman in uh that
Speaker 1: was layered because of the how the weather was acting,
Speaker 1: and I looked like a Caucasian woman to me, a
Speaker 1: heavy set Caucasian woman.
Speaker 3: I kept telling my wife, she's got a crazy coat on.
Speaker 1: It's it's I'm seeing flashes of purple, flashes of pink
Speaker 1: and things like that.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand.
Speaker 1: So my wife gets up and just as she gets
Speaker 1: up to go over, this thing takes it like a
Speaker 1: military left right into the forest, so smooth.
Speaker 3: It was the most smoothest thing I've ever seen. And
Speaker 3: me being a soldier, I always thought I was pretty
Speaker 3: good when I did my left and.
Speaker 1: Left right type of motions when they called the motions.
Speaker 1: This thing was the most perfect thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: My wife says she thinks that it wanted us to
Speaker 1: at least go across that creek to get away so
Speaker 1: that their kid could could get out of that situation
Speaker 1: it was in.
Speaker 3: It was right below us. We didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't and I didn't even steal at that point.
Speaker 1: Didn't think much of it until I realized that that
Speaker 1: wasn't a woman that I can't describe, you know, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent the face. Sibylla Irwin was gonna do it
Speaker 1: drawing for me when I was talking to her one day.
Speaker 1: We've been friends for years, but she I told her,
Speaker 1: I said, I can't describe the face because she was
Speaker 1: probably twenty yards away maybe, but I could see clearly
Speaker 1: that it was a woman. The face was, like I said,
Speaker 1: it was Caucasian.
Speaker 3: That's what kind of messed with me the most, was
Speaker 3: as like Jesus, these things looked just like us, other
Speaker 3: than the fact that bigger. It is bigger.
Speaker 1: In the area that just across the creek, there was
Speaker 1: a down tree top. It was a cedar tree top
Speaker 1: that it was down, and it was stuper thick and
Speaker 1: dark right on the other side, and there was limbs
Speaker 1: and stuff all over it. That was where they were
Speaker 1: using as a hiding place to watch people.
Speaker 3: Because my wife, actually this male was.
Speaker 1: Peka boo in her and all she saw was at
Speaker 1: one point was the ear, you know, like when you
Speaker 1: get caught looking at a woman or something and they
Speaker 1: look at you and you kind of you do the
Speaker 1: best to turn your head quickly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what this did.
Speaker 1: And it seemed to be like fascinated with her that
Speaker 1: whole weekend. But later that evening, probably an hour after seeing.
Speaker 3: Her, we hear who just like that. I've spent my
Speaker 3: life in the forest and I've never heard a whoop,
Speaker 3: and that was the first time in my life and
Speaker 3: it was crystal.
Speaker 1: Clear whoops, not like or any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: It was a whoop, two of them together, and my
Speaker 1: wife like again, she's just enjoying this whole thing. And
Speaker 1: pretty soon we start hearing from further back there a
Speaker 1: screaming match, yelling and screaming. Somebody. I'm talking this was
Speaker 1: a sasquatch doing this. Somebody was getting their ass June
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if it was the male that kept
Speaker 1: me up all night, And I don't know for sure
Speaker 1: that it was a male, but Mitchell Townsend told me
Speaker 1: that he had dealt with that same male for years
Speaker 1: and years and years, and he thinks maybe somebody shot
Speaker 1: at it or something at some point, And that was
Speaker 1: that's what I taught too, but well he sure was
Speaker 1: not aggressive once my wife was there kind of crapy,
Speaker 1: but you boy, that female they call her the Screamer.
Speaker 1: The few people around that know about this family, they
Speaker 1: refer to her as the Screamer because she's so loud.
Speaker 3: I figured that they were just getting in trouble because.
Speaker 1: I thought whatever was messing with us and messing with
Speaker 1: me that night was probably like a teenager type of sasquatch,
Speaker 1: probably trying to show it's it's you know, bravery or
Speaker 1: whatever whatever they do. But that I was still on
Speaker 1: edge that that that weekend, and then I just told
Speaker 1: her she would get up like before the sun came up,
Speaker 1: and she would go out and make coffee and she
Speaker 1: would stand there and they would be breaking. Like well,
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, they're all over over there. They're walking breaking,
Speaker 1: breaking sticks and stuff when they walk. And she was
Speaker 1: sitting in the car and drink her coffee and listen
Speaker 1: to them. I was just like, I don't trust them.
Speaker 1: I just don't trust them.
Speaker 3: They're not our furry forest friends, but I just don't
Speaker 3: trust them.
Speaker 1: And sure enough I went I had and left gifts,
Speaker 1: not gifts. I hate that gifting thing. But we had
Speaker 1: sugarless pastries, so if I left some of those, I
Speaker 1: walked across there and I just said out loud, I
Speaker 1: apologize for crossing that tree, and I hope you accept this.
Speaker 1: And so I laid out a bunch of sugarless, no
Speaker 1: frosting of any kind of pop tarts, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if they ever took them or anything like that.
Speaker 3: But so we went home, and oh man, it took me.
Speaker 3: It took me a month before I could go back
Speaker 3: out there. I was.
Speaker 1: Really affected my sleep. I'm on actual medication to this
Speaker 1: day to sleep. And we decided we'd go back, and
Speaker 1: my wife baked them a whole bunch of sugarless wild
Speaker 1: berry muffins, and we took those up, and we not
Speaker 1: only did we cross that tree again, but we walked
Speaker 1: up the trail and then we walked further and we
Speaker 1: started hearing this tapping, and then we started smelling something
Speaker 1: I never smelled. It was awful. It wasn't dead smell.
Speaker 1: It smelled like garbage, kitchen garbage. When you open a
Speaker 1: a say, like a dumpster or something you're gonna throw
Speaker 1: away something, somebody had thrown food in there.
Speaker 3: That's what it smelled.
Speaker 1: Like, and so we decided just that we'd go ahead
Speaker 1: and go back to camp because I was just completely
Speaker 1: creeped out. So we went ahead and walked back to camp.
Speaker 1: And so we're we have a nice fire, go. We
Speaker 1: only went up there to bring that to him, have
Speaker 1: some dinner together. My wife and I still do a
Speaker 1: lot of We love each other. We've been together forty
Speaker 1: four years, so we loved doing stuff together and doing
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So we, uh, we were eating
Speaker 1: some chicken and I was having a beer and she
Speaker 1: was relaxing by the fire, and I decided I would
Speaker 1: make that call that I'm talking about that they did
Speaker 1: a month previous, and I did it like three times,
Speaker 1: and then I did it super aggressive, super loud. And
Speaker 1: when I when I finished my last time doing it,
Speaker 1: just as I finished it, this loud stick breaks and
Speaker 1: you could hear leaked, I said. I turned around to
Speaker 1: my wife and I said, did you hear? And by
Speaker 1: the time I got that out, it was already on
Speaker 1: our side of the creek, just in the tree line,
Speaker 1: and boy, we both took off. She she had her
Speaker 1: he's she had a she had a pouch in her chair,
Speaker 1: and we had just bought a.
Speaker 3: Chair for me on the way up. So we we run.
Speaker 1: She's got that blanket tangled up in her eggs and
Speaker 1: her her hand is stuck in her chair trying to
Speaker 1: get the car keys. And we get We run to
Speaker 1: the cars only like fifteen feet away. She gets in
Speaker 1: and I get in and as I'm looking at her
Speaker 1: and I was like this this was my very words.
Speaker 1: We get in there, I said, well, are you going
Speaker 1: to start this son of a bitch or not? And
Speaker 1: she goes, I dropped the keys and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And so it literally she just dropped
Speaker 1: them outside the door. I didn't know that. She she
Speaker 1: reachs down, got him shut the door again, and I
Speaker 1: look out there and all I see was like a.
Speaker 3: It was so graceful, like A.
Speaker 1: All I see is in this white part of this
Speaker 1: tree that's about eight feet high that it has the
Speaker 1: white bark.
Speaker 3: It went.
Speaker 1: There was white bark and then dark and then light
Speaker 1: again because this thing had just passed past me.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god. I could just
Speaker 3: see just with the silhouette. This thing was huge, you know,
Speaker 3: like it was big, really big. And I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god. So she starts the car and we
Speaker 3: forget about. She drives about ten feet and she goes,
Speaker 3: should we go ahead and take our stuff?
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, we could throw it in
Speaker 1: the back real quick. So she backs back up and
Speaker 1: I'm looking the whole time. Now I don't see anything.
Speaker 1: But we get out and I'm scared to death, man,
Speaker 1: and she opens the trunk and I was like, I
Speaker 1: thought we were throwing this shit in the back seat,
Speaker 1: not going all the way back to the trunk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, she's got I had
Speaker 1: the uh this thing. It was like a go pro
Speaker 1: that my kids had bought me for Christmas. I had
Speaker 1: it in my hand and I told her before we
Speaker 1: got out, I said, don't turn it off the car.
Speaker 1: We get out and she gets her chair of minds further.
Speaker 1: I'm holding I've got that thing in my hand and
Speaker 1: I'm holding onto the car and I reach and I stretch,
Speaker 1: and I stretch and I stretch, and I get one
Speaker 1: finger on that chair and it had a bottle of
Speaker 1: water on it.
Speaker 3: And I start pulling that to me and.
Speaker 1: She's so I'm like, I don't know how to hold this.
Speaker 3: She grabs it.
Speaker 1: Women can do anything, you know. It's just bizarre to me.
Speaker 1: How they can figure something out we just can't do.
Speaker 1: She folded that up real quick, and then she starts
Speaker 1: stumping the water on the fire, and I said, what
Speaker 1: the help are you doing. Let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: And so we we get back in the car, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you we got to the end. It's about
Speaker 1: it's about a sixty or seventy yard it could be
Speaker 1: a little less, could be a little more to drive
Speaker 1: out to the main forest road. We stopped as soon
Speaker 1: as we've got past those boulders, and her purse was
Speaker 1: wrapped in her legs, and we were both having a
Speaker 1: panic attack and coughing and all that stuff, and laughing hysterically.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't because we thought anything was funny. That's
Speaker 1: the first time I'd ever had I don't know whether
Speaker 1: what you would call it hysteria.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, hysteric.
Speaker 3: I just I couldn't stop laughing. I couldn't stop coughing.
Speaker 1: I was shaking, and my poor wife, you know, she'd
Speaker 1: finally had gotten her legs untangled and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and we calmed down a little bit and then we
Speaker 1: just pulled out and I looked back and I just
Speaker 1: watching that fire and hoping that it would step out
Speaker 1: so I could actually see it, and it didn't, and
Speaker 1: we lived.
Speaker 3: We didn't even talk on the way home. We didn't
Speaker 3: say two words to each other.
Speaker 1: And we got home and I told my neighbor, who
Speaker 1: is an avid hunter, and I said, we just got
Speaker 1: chased by a sasquatch.
Speaker 3: Man and oh, yeah, good for you type of thing.
Speaker 3: It was just like, who do you tell? I mean?
Speaker 3: I was I was in a I was a mess.
Speaker 3: I thought this thing was going to murder my wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh yeah, but she told me, she goes, no, No,
Speaker 1: you were my hero. You did not You did not
Speaker 1: get in the car until I was safely in the car.
Speaker 1: Because it's just a blur to me, that particular part
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a.
Speaker 1: Blur, and it's kind of like the the night that
Speaker 1: I had, you know, was by myself. I know that
Speaker 1: I'm missing a little bit of time, but I wasn't
Speaker 1: hurt or anything, and I just I just felt that
Speaker 1: that something happened in time. And since I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I was violated or any of that kind of stuff. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's been more than one person who's told me you
Speaker 1: got to go get hypnotized.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be hypnotized. I don't want want
Speaker 3: to know. I you know, I just don't want to know.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if people always want me to
Speaker 1: give him an excuse why, I just don't want to know.
Speaker 3: If I didn't feel violated. So I don't know what.
Speaker 3: I don't want to know. Maybe I fell asleep actually
Speaker 3: and didn't know it. I don't know, but it was
Speaker 3: pretty traumatic. And then, you know, when we got home,
Speaker 3: we both sat outside and we finally started to talk
Speaker 3: about it. You know, we must have smoked a package
Speaker 3: cigarettes eight hour and a half.
Speaker 1: Jesus, I haven't touched tobacco in eight and a half years,
Speaker 1: but back then, jeez, it was. I had to go
Speaker 1: back to work on Tuesday, and we decided we we
Speaker 1: would try to find help somehow. So I sent doctor
Speaker 1: Meltram a message, never heard anything back from him. Sat
Speaker 1: Cliff Brockman like four messages, never heard back from him. Well,
Speaker 1: like this was going to be if we could get
Speaker 1: somebody up there that was some kind of a professional,
Speaker 1: because we were not looking for Sasquatch. We went up
Speaker 1: on that original trip to pan for gold and just hike.
Speaker 3: Around and have fun.
Speaker 1: It's been so many years, you know, but I never
Speaker 1: heard from any of those people, and so I just
Speaker 1: I was so messed up I couldn't sleep. I reached
Speaker 1: out to West Germer, and he's about as kind of
Speaker 1: a person as you'll ever meet. He's very kind, and
Speaker 1: I to take this opportunity right now to apologize to
Speaker 1: him on air. I got caught up in a wrong circle.
Speaker 1: And I don't care if his what anyway he thinks,
Speaker 1: whether his encounters were real or not. You know, he
Speaker 1: was a very very good to me, very soothing to me.
Speaker 1: It was the first person to help me. So I
Speaker 1: just apologized Wes for getting on that side and saying
Speaker 1: shit about you that I don't even know, had no
Speaker 1: business even seeing. And so I just let that go
Speaker 1: to West. I went to work, and then I started
Speaker 1: having a PTSD.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: I would be at work and I was a very
Speaker 1: low level manager. I basically took care of a small cell,
Speaker 1: but I was a robot welder, and boy, I would
Speaker 1: find myself bursting into tears for no just just out
Speaker 1: of the blue, and so I would just tell people
Speaker 1: that I was arc flashed or something like that, because
Speaker 1: it was I was really struggling, and I I would
Speaker 1: it would happen at home too, and my wife would
Speaker 1: do the best you could to to try to make
Speaker 1: things better. There was nobody I could you could go to.
Speaker 1: And and so I met Sabyla Irwin and was she
Speaker 1: She was the first person that literally just by talking
Speaker 1: to me, we had done the uh FaceTime a couple
Speaker 1: of times and and uh she was a very very
Speaker 1: good person. She told me about other people that she
Speaker 1: counseled and helped after a encounter, and uh, so that
Speaker 1: that got me on a good way. It's trying to
Speaker 1: be a husband, a boss, trying to do your job,
Speaker 1: trying to be a grandpa and not not burst into tears.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But it just what happened. It would happened when I
Speaker 1: would do shows too. It would be sometimes it wouldn't,
Speaker 1: sometimes it would. And I had done so many in
Speaker 1: a row I started telling people, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it. I wouldn't have done your show a
Speaker 1: year ago. But after meeting the Browns, they recommended I do.
Speaker 1: So I trust them so and I trust you. You
Speaker 1: and I have already talked. So the thing.
Speaker 3: Was, it seemed like a lot of these shows.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to get the triggered part of me out
Speaker 1: and so I don't cry about this shit anymore. It happened,
Speaker 1: everybody's okay.
Speaker 3: So but back then the PTSD was was just killing me.
Speaker 3: And so my doctor I just decided one day because
Speaker 3: I needed the sleep meds.
Speaker 1: She wanted to know why I wasn't sleeping, and so
Speaker 1: I told her and everything, and by the time I
Speaker 1: got done, she just looks at me and she goes, wow,
Speaker 1: that that is a very traumatic and the hair on
Speaker 1: her arms was sticking straight up. She believed it one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. I was just, who do you go to?
Speaker 1: There's so ready to go to. There might be now,
Speaker 1: but there wasn't back then.
Speaker 3: And so she went.
Speaker 1: Ahead and put me on this sleep medication that I
Speaker 1: am on today on this very day. It's a narcotic.
Speaker 1: I just can't sleep, and it's even worse when I
Speaker 1: go to the forest. But I will never stop going
Speaker 1: to the forest. We've been having encounters now on a
Speaker 1: regular basis in Scamania County, and but three years ago,
Speaker 1: about two years ago, we were up where we had
Speaker 1: our encounter, but just the camp before that, and we
Speaker 1: were talking to a young couple there. He was a
Speaker 1: guy was playing his guitar and we were talking about sasquatching,
Speaker 1: the different noises they make.
Speaker 3: And I'll be damned if just barely got done. This
Speaker 3: guy's playing to get tar.
Speaker 1: That they they went off, probably fifty feet on the
Speaker 1: other side of the road in the bush. They went off,
Speaker 1: they went, they did this vocal and they did. They
Speaker 1: kept it up for god, almost a minute, and these
Speaker 1: this young couples looking at us and they're like, I've
Speaker 1: never never heard this before, and it's just I was
Speaker 1: just like wow. And it just stopped and that was it.
Speaker 1: Didn't hear him again. Then I had some people come
Speaker 1: up a couple of years back or UH. I invited Thomas.
Speaker 3: Steinberg and and uh Brent Dill and a couple of
Speaker 3: people from throughout the United States and Canada, and I
Speaker 3: my buddy that showed up from UH.
Speaker 1: He drove my one friend drove all away from Minnesota, Wow, Dakota,
Speaker 1: he drove all away from and he got there about
Speaker 1: two thirds in the morning. And I just happened to
Speaker 1: be up, of course, and he just yells out of
Speaker 1: his window. Because we have a thing we call Operation
Speaker 1: Red Tent, an Operation green tent, and that is we'll
Speaker 1: go to a camp that we want days early and
Speaker 1: set up beast tents, red tent and a green tent,
Speaker 1: so whenever we're talking to somebody, we get we coded.
Speaker 1: As you know, operation red Tent is a go type
Speaker 1: of thing. So but anyway, by daylight, I took him
Speaker 1: to the other camp and showed him these other all
Speaker 1: these other camps, and I'll be damned if we didn't
Speaker 1: find one of the best footprints I've ever ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life. And we covered that up immediately because
Speaker 1: Thomas and Brent and all the other people hadn't got
Speaker 1: there yet.
Speaker 3: So as soon as Thomas got.
Speaker 1: There, we went ahead and walked him to it, uncovered it,
Speaker 1: and he got down on his stomach with this. He's
Speaker 1: got a backpack full of stuff to to look at
Speaker 1: tracks and airs and all that stuff. He spent a
Speaker 1: good half hour or so down going from top to
Speaker 1: bottom on that print, and he said, this is a
Speaker 1: real print. And here's a good thing about this was
Speaker 1: two days before there was people camping over there.
Speaker 3: They left because it poured down rain.
Speaker 1: It poured, and when you're up on that mountain when
Speaker 1: it rains, it pours and so it poured rain and
Speaker 1: then we had sunshine.
Speaker 3: Then it poured rain, and then we had sunshine. And
Speaker 3: so that track was fresh because.
Speaker 1: It would have been washed away if by the rain,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't fresh. And so it literally, it literally
Speaker 1: had came up from the creek which is the old
Speaker 1: Klamor River. It's basically at the start of the Clamor River.
Speaker 1: So that yeah, and Thomas, he was just like, this
Speaker 1: is one of the best prints I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: I believe I sent that to you. Yeah. I took
Speaker 3: my grandson back behind here hunting last year and we
Speaker 3: got back. There was about five in the morning, still dark,
Speaker 3: and the sasquat slaps a tree and screams, but.
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with us. I could feel
Speaker 1: that they had nothing to do with us. It was
Speaker 1: far enough away too, And then then another one screamed
Speaker 1: back to it and it wasn't aggressive it anyway. But
Speaker 1: my poor grandson I had. This didn't bother me at all.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, that was all she wrote for him.
Speaker 1: He was like, I need to sit down, Papa, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: He was eleven, I believe eleven or twelve, and.
Speaker 1: I let him sit down for a bit, and I
Speaker 1: didn't realize it was because of that Sasquat doing that.
Speaker 1: So he got up and I said, well, let's walk
Speaker 1: out here on this Civil Forest Service road and we'll
Speaker 1: go down to the left. And I kept looking back
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why are you so we're behind Papa,
Speaker 1: And finally I was like, do you want to go
Speaker 1: back home to, you know, me and MoMA's house.
Speaker 3: He's like yeah. So then when we get out, he
Speaker 3: stayed in front of me too.
Speaker 1: We get back and he tells me, I'm sorry, Papa,
Speaker 1: but my legs were shaken so bad I couldn't stand
Speaker 1: up anymore.
Speaker 3: And I was like, it's all right, you know.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, and I was so scared when
Speaker 1: we were walking back there, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, it was Sasquats.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: That's all he talked about is how scared he was
Speaker 1: and how he couldn't make his legs work. And I've
Speaker 1: had that fear only once in my life, so that's
Speaker 1: just I felt like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I felt awful for him.
Speaker 1: But you know, later in the late season, his dad
Speaker 1: brought him our youngest son brought him back there and
Speaker 1: they weren't there ten minutes and came back.
Speaker 3: And my son's like, yeah, he's ruined.
Speaker 1: He's kind of goo back. So you know, it's just
Speaker 1: both of my boys. Our boys have experienced Sasquatch stuff
Speaker 1: and all that. But this particular camp that we call
Speaker 1: the Father's Day Camp, we go there every year. It
Speaker 1: started out as the boys took me there for Father's Day. Well,
Speaker 1: that was the first camp ship I'd had in fifteen years,
Speaker 1: was that took me up there for Father's Day.
Speaker 3: And the next one was with my wife.
Speaker 1: But those Sasquats there, they don't They're almost like have
Speaker 1: a sense of humor or something. You can camp on
Speaker 1: either side of that road. Yeah, one that you got
Speaker 1: to four will drive in, which is my favorite one.
Speaker 1: But you could go either side of the road, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you they've thrown pebbles and made sure that
Speaker 1: we knew they were there, thrown pebbles.
Speaker 3: I would already be in bed.
Speaker 1: My wife, she said as soon as that first rock
Speaker 1: came down, just pebbles.
Speaker 3: She was like, I just I got up. She doesn't
Speaker 3: play around after we got chased. She doesn't play around
Speaker 3: at all. None, of the sounds, none of that stuff.
Speaker 1: She'll she'll just get in the car and go home
Speaker 1: with people start doing calls and stuff like that. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: she came and got in bed, and the next day
Speaker 1: they're telling us both of both of our boys were
Speaker 1: like trying to get it to come out and have
Speaker 1: a drink with them, and you know, come out and
Speaker 1: will feed you and all that stuff, because they said
Speaker 1: it absolutely other than they couldn't see it. It definitely
Speaker 1: was making plenty of noise and had a great time
Speaker 1: throwing the pebbles and bouncing them off the rocks and stuff.
Speaker 3: So it was that was probably four years ago.
Speaker 1: And then you could hear them up on the road
Speaker 1: in the In the Father's Day camp last year, last
Speaker 1: camping season in May, we were there and my wife
Speaker 1: told me that during the night, something walked and ran
Speaker 1: its finger across her side of the tent during the
Speaker 1: middle of the night, and she said, and I could
Speaker 1: hear it was two feet And the next night, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm laying there because of my piss pore sleeping, I'm
Speaker 1: laying there and it's about two o'cle's right around around
Speaker 1: one or two. My son and our oldest grandson. We're
Speaker 1: having a good time at the fire. We were playing guitars,
Speaker 1: and by the time they got done and went to bed,
Speaker 1: it was maybe ten minutes after they had gone to bed,
Speaker 1: I hear this, and I was like, oh, man, because
Speaker 1: it was right up on the road above our camp,
Speaker 1: and that's real close to the Pacific Press Trail too.
Speaker 1: So I put my phone inside my sleeping bag and
Speaker 1: I turn it on so I can see the time.
Speaker 3: And then I reached underneath my cot and grab.
Speaker 1: My my forty five long judge and I put it inside.
Speaker 1: So I'm just because I've got the creeps, you know,
Speaker 1: I've got that where the hair stands up on the
Speaker 1: back of your neck type of thing going on.
Speaker 3: A couple of minutes later, I hear again, and so
Speaker 3: I'm just laying there. I'm just waiting.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I will shoot the son of a bits
Speaker 1: and he comes, I will. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: anything like that, but if I'm going to protect my family,
Speaker 1: I will. And all of a sudden, I hear from
Speaker 1: way back behind the river like that you could grow
Speaker 1: to hear it, And I thought, okay, we're okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to learn what's their aggressive type of stuff
Speaker 1: and what's not.
Speaker 3: So that's and that was just last May, five years ago.
Speaker 3: In there. I got up one morning to go.
Speaker 1: Down to the river and get some water or coffee,
Speaker 1: and right in the middle of the path is about
Speaker 1: a three foot high two to three foot high.
Speaker 3: Pile of the leaves that had been raked up.
Speaker 1: And you could see the fingers where the you know,
Speaker 1: the fingers that raked all that up into a pile,
Speaker 1: and just like you would with a brake.
Speaker 3: So it I was like, what the hell, I kicked
Speaker 3: it all out of the way.
Speaker 1: And then when everybody got up out of bed, as
Speaker 1: I did any of you, I think it was funny
Speaker 1: to raak up some leaves dead and everybody's looking at
Speaker 1: each other like what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: And and I already knew, but I had to ask. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that was It seems like every time we've ever
Speaker 1: gone to that camp, we get some kind of a
Speaker 1: of a.
Speaker 3: You know, interaction of some kind. So uh, that's Uh.
Speaker 1: I've talked to Alexander about you know, what I mean
Speaker 1: to really do to really do good. Uh, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna want to research or I use that term loosely
Speaker 1: what some people call research. But you have to have
Speaker 1: a minimum of five million dollars because you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to hire people and make that their job.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about people like professional trackers.
Speaker 1: You know, I would I would hire a man tracker,
Speaker 1: and I would hire an animal tracker. I would hire
Speaker 1: a biologists, I would hire people survivalists. They would go
Speaker 1: out literally and I could pay for them to live
Speaker 1: out there. That's the only way you're going to be
Speaker 1: able to do this.
Speaker 3: Is to literally put people out and make it their
Speaker 3: job for at least from from the first snow milt
Speaker 3: to the first snowfall.
Speaker 1: That's that's where they're going to live. And so that's
Speaker 1: to me, that's the only way you're going to do this.
Speaker 1: And I don't care about all these people saying science,
Speaker 1: they'll never accept it if we don't bring a body.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about science. I saw what
Speaker 1: I saw, I know what I know. Then they do too.
Speaker 3: I mean I talked to a Federal game board.
Speaker 1: Who had come in our camp just to make sure
Speaker 1: there was no fires a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: he told me, I said, so, you know, they're Sasquatch
Speaker 1: in here, and he's like, of course they are. He
Speaker 1: wasn't kidding. He goes, we know they're there, and then.
Speaker 3: He told me.
Speaker 1: He says, I'm actually the youngest one in my family
Speaker 1: that's a sasquatch investigator.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well that's cool.
Speaker 1: From his mouth to our ears, yes they do exist,
Speaker 1: and yes they are here.
Speaker 3: I'm Mount Saint Helen's now.
Speaker 1: That's but I said, so what happens if I say,
Speaker 1: you know, John Brown, the forest ranger said, He goes,
Speaker 1: number one, I'll deny it.
Speaker 3: And number two he says, we're waiting.
Speaker 1: For you, you people, to bring one in to then we'll
Speaker 1: say yes. And I was like, they don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want anything to do with it.
Speaker 3: And I don't understand why that that's what he told me.
Speaker 3: They're waiting on you. The weekend warrior, Like I said,
Speaker 3: came right from his mouth to my ears.
Speaker 1: And I've had coffee with that guy on multiple occasions.
Speaker 3: He'll stop and when he sees it's us, have some coffee. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's a good guy.
Speaker 2: In the area that I used to investigate all the
Speaker 2: time and spent the majority of my time in. There
Speaker 2: was a park ranger there that was fully aware and
Speaker 2: willing to talk to us about everything and what even
Speaker 2: let us into areas that were closed down to the
Speaker 2: public so we could go snoop around look for tracks
Speaker 2: and stuff. But you know, nothing was ever on the
Speaker 2: record or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. He's like, off the record, off
Speaker 1: the record. I used to be next door neighbors with
Speaker 1: a retired federal game warden, Jerry. He's a long past
Speaker 1: and he told me, he says, I've never seen one,
Speaker 1: he said, but I'm pretty sure they're there, he said,
Speaker 1: because I've seen things I can't explain. He said, that's
Speaker 1: the best I can do for you. And he told me,
Speaker 1: he said that they had some ninety year old woman.
Speaker 5: And this is back in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety three
Speaker 5: or four. He told me that they had an old
Speaker 5: lady in their church that claims that when she was
Speaker 5: a little girl, that she played with.
Speaker 1: Little Sasquatch children. Oh wow, And he says, he says,
Speaker 1: you know, that woman is about as honest and perfect
Speaker 1: type of person you'll ever meet. And he says, he says,
Speaker 1: I don't doubt her in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: To hear those type of stories from people that are
Speaker 1: completely believable. I mean, when somebody can tell me a
Speaker 1: story without blinking and I have never reached out to
Speaker 1: anyone or anything, just that knew that I had had
Speaker 1: an accounter and just wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 3: I believe them. And then there's no ones that I
Speaker 3: am so aware of what my brains look like from
Speaker 3: just rolling my eyes. When someone starts telling me a
Speaker 3: story and you know by the time you got half
Speaker 3: a dozen words in there.
Speaker 1: That it's bullshit. I just I'm fascinated with different stories.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the guys I worked with before
Speaker 3: I retired, he told me that he had seen one
Speaker 3: way back in the eighties.
Speaker 1: We have a place called large Mountain here. There's one
Speaker 1: in Oregon too, but back then in the eighties, he
Speaker 1: would drive over that. He was working graveguard someplace. He
Speaker 1: would drive over that large mountain to get to wherever
Speaker 1: he was going. And he said, one night, he said,
Speaker 1: this giant thing just walked across the road. He said,
Speaker 1: he didn't even look at him or nothing, just walked
Speaker 1: across the road as he was coming. He said, the
Speaker 1: thing was gigantic and muscular. And I said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: he wanted you to see him. That's the thing people
Speaker 1: don't understand. If you see them, they wanted you to
Speaker 1: see them. That's that's just how it goes. You're not
Speaker 1: going to sneak up on one of these things. And
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things people do is they try
Speaker 1: to fool them. And that's one of the worst things
Speaker 1: you can do.
Speaker 3: You can't fool them. I always tell people, keep going
Speaker 3: back to the same place. Be natural. Don't these people
Speaker 3: start whispering, and shit, what the hell are you whispering for?
Speaker 3: Don't have a fire that sasquatch knows. Damn well, you're
Speaker 3: a human. You want to have a fire. It's just
Speaker 3: crazy that it's that kind of resource that doesn't work.
Speaker 1: And I think that buying all the right equipment, good equipment,
Speaker 1: and then having these people go out each person do
Speaker 1: not involve television in any way, shape or form. Each
Speaker 1: person has a top notch camera gear and a drone.
Speaker 1: They're in different areas, and they would be paid to
Speaker 1: live doing that.
Speaker 3: Whatever whatever it takes you, you will get your salary
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: This, to be out there and and be put into
Speaker 1: places that most people won't go or have been. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the only way you're gonna satisfy as
Speaker 1: far as I don't care about proven anything, but I
Speaker 1: think that as far as research goes, that's what you
Speaker 1: need to do.
Speaker 3: You're going to have to do it that way. And
Speaker 3: I would not hire one single person that's that's been
Speaker 3: on television or has tried to make a book off
Speaker 3: of this. I never have. I've never asked for anything.
Speaker 1: This year, I've been for the first time ever in
Speaker 1: my life, I've been contacted by.
Speaker 3: This minor group, Pacific Pacific Northwest Miners rally they're having,
Speaker 3: and they ask if I would speak about what happened
Speaker 3: to us and on the Sasquatch in general. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: going to It's going to be August.
Speaker 1: Eighth, the ninth, and I'm just very proud to be
Speaker 1: asked to do something like this. I'm hoping I can
Speaker 1: help people because I've known miners in the past that
Speaker 1: encounter them. And one guy that we ran into he's
Speaker 1: passed now.
Speaker 3: He was up there.
Speaker 1: We actually camped with him seven years ago. He has
Speaker 1: the best picture of a Sasquatch I've ever seen. He
Speaker 1: took that in twenty twelve with a with a twelve
Speaker 1: pixel phone and he actually had it set on six
Speaker 1: pixels and he was walking on the on the road
Speaker 1: up there on the eighty one because he had a
Speaker 1: place where he was getting rubies, and he says, he,
Speaker 1: here's this ruckus. He says, all of a sudden, this
Speaker 1: big male sasquatch jumps out on the road. So he's
Speaker 1: like he took off running with his dog.
Speaker 3: And he says, and the thing just walked across the road,
Speaker 3: and he says, another one jumps out, does the same thing.
Speaker 1: Another one does, he says, and the last one jumped
Speaker 1: and grabbed the top of this tree. And that's when
Speaker 1: he quickly turned around his snap the photo in it
Speaker 1: is the thing swung with the tree onto the road
Speaker 1: and he got it as it was standing there before
Speaker 1: it let the tree go. And ye oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was very badly pixeled, but it still was very clear.
Speaker 1: You can see its eyes, you can see its fingers,
Speaker 1: you could see its legs and its feet, and how
Speaker 1: it was standing, the direction it was standing, and all that.
Speaker 3: Man he he got, he sent that. He told me.
Speaker 1: He says, well, I sent this to a the BFRO
Speaker 1: And he says, and this group called the Olympic Project
Speaker 1: has sent me a text wanted to see it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, he showed me the email that he
Speaker 1: sent and the email that he got back. I said,
Speaker 1: why would the Olympic project, I said, those guys are
Speaker 1: all the way up at the other end of the state.
Speaker 3: And so I asked, I don't know him. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to claim to know him. But Derek, when I
Speaker 3: was at a squadh fest, I asked him. I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I met I met this guy, and he goes, I've
Speaker 3: never never been sent to anything. I don't know anything
Speaker 3: about it. So and I trust you know, Derek, I
Speaker 3: trust him.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I was just but the guy ended
Speaker 1: up dying. But that picture man, that I was just like,
Speaker 1: crap man, I would love more than once. I've made
Speaker 1: bad mistakes. I should have taken a picture of that myself.
Speaker 1: I ran into a guy at Winko Foods when I
Speaker 1: was still doing big with barbecue. I was standing there
Speaker 1: staring in the meat section. There was like four great
Speaker 1: deals of four different kinds of meat, and I was
Speaker 1: contemplating which one I wanted to do, and then he
Speaker 1: just he's like barbecue, and I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3: We started talking.
Speaker 1: Then I told him my show and all that, and
Speaker 1: then he told me we've got him on our property
Speaker 1: and my wife feeds him. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: this was a very very respectful looking.
Speaker 3: Guy.
Speaker 1: I mean he was just telling me. He says, I
Speaker 1: don't do anything about it or or with them. I
Speaker 1: know they're there, but he says, yes, she'll take them
Speaker 1: out gifts and she'll make them things and feed them
Speaker 1: and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And you know what, I did nothing. I said, have
Speaker 3: a good day. I was like, and I can't believe
Speaker 3: I've met this guy. How was that?
Speaker 1: And I didn't get any of his information nothing. That's
Speaker 1: been like six years ago.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I've done that more
Speaker 3: than I'm just like, oh, what were you thinking?
Speaker 2: No, I've done the exact same thing. In a doctor's office.
Speaker 2: I was wearing a bigfoot T shirt and I'm filling
Speaker 2: out the entry paperwork and this older guy walks past
Speaker 2: me and he's leaving. He's already had his appointment, and
Speaker 2: he walks out the door and he stops and he
Speaker 2: turns around and comes back and he said, I like
Speaker 2: your shirt. I just looked at him and I was like, oh, thanks,
Speaker 2: and he goes. He kind of looks around for a minute,
Speaker 2: looks at everybody, make sure nobody's listening. He kind of
Speaker 2: leans down towards me. He goes, you know, I shot
Speaker 2: one when I was twelve. And I looked at him,
Speaker 2: you know what a bigfoot? And he said yeah, And
Speaker 2: he proceeds to tell me this story from his childhood
Speaker 2: locations and everything right where he was at, not too
Speaker 2: far from where I live. And as he's telling this story,
Speaker 2: you know, I can see in his body language like
Speaker 2: he's recollecting the thoughts and everything he's seeing in his head.
Speaker 2: His eyes are welling up with tears and everything he is.
Speaker 2: His voice starts getting kind of shaky and stuff as
Speaker 2: he goes through the events that happen and everything. And
Speaker 2: after he was done, I just said, wow, that's that's
Speaker 2: an amazing story. Thanks for sharing that with me. And
Speaker 2: he's like, I haven't told it to anyone. That was
Speaker 2: the first time. And he just walked out. And the
Speaker 2: first thing that happened, my wife goes, why didn't you
Speaker 2: get his name and phone number? Didn't even think of it? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do a bigfoot podcast, don't I. I was just
Speaker 2: so amazed. It was such just a you know a
Speaker 2: natural thing, just like one of those moments that you're
Speaker 2: not expecting. And I didn't even think for a second
Speaker 2: about getting his contact info or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she strives me nuts when I do that. My
Speaker 1: doctor is actually she's a physician's assistant, but she takes
Speaker 1: good care of me. Her name is Bliss.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say her last name, but just
Speaker 3: the name alone would tell you what a kind person
Speaker 3: she is. And she she I tell her, you know, look,
Speaker 3: I broke down on this stupid show I was on,
Speaker 3: and she's like, we got to find a way to
Speaker 3: help you with your PTSD. She said, one way is
Speaker 3: to stop doing.
Speaker 1: Those and I was like, yep, Well I did stop
Speaker 1: doing them, and it kind of got better and better
Speaker 1: and better. As far as the sleep goes, I don't
Speaker 1: think i'll ever sleep regular again. There's another man that's very,
Speaker 1: very very high in the Sashquatch world.
Speaker 3: I mean he told me that he does not He said,
Speaker 3: if I tell you this, I don't want you to
Speaker 3: ever repeat it, So I'm not going to use his name,
Speaker 3: but he said ever since his encounter, he's also been
Speaker 3: on sleep medicine for fifteen years. So I was just like, wow,
Speaker 3: he thinks it has to do.
Speaker 1: He heard the humming too, and so he thinks that
Speaker 1: might have something to do with it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't dream about him. I just can't sleep after
Speaker 1: that that night, I can't sleep. So I thoroughly enjoy
Speaker 1: listening to people who aren't out there. One kid told
Speaker 1: me when I was still working, he has a neighbor
Speaker 1: girl somewhere around twenty years old. This is about five
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 3: He was telling me. He says, lives out Namboy. That's
Speaker 3: real rural too.
Speaker 1: That she left her friend's house and she just had
Speaker 1: to walk through a patch of work woods to get
Speaker 1: to her house. She says, she gets about halfway through
Speaker 1: the woods and something starts following her, so she speeds
Speaker 1: up and she gets out and she runs up to
Speaker 1: her porch. She turns around and there is a sasquatch
Speaker 1: standing twenty feet from her looking at her. And she
Speaker 1: goes to open the door, and her boyfriend had it locked,
Speaker 1: and so she's apparently banging on the door and when
Speaker 1: he opens it, it's is when the thing ran back
Speaker 1: in the woods. But he did glimpse it, but she
Speaker 1: said that it just stood there and stared at her
Speaker 1: and she is such a hardcore Christian that she thinks
Speaker 1: it was a gorilla because her God would never make
Speaker 1: something like that. I was like, oh my God. I
Speaker 1: tried to interview her, but she refused. So there are
Speaker 1: people like that that I believe. Tell you tell you things.
Speaker 1: I worked with another kid. He was a temporary I
Speaker 1: worked four years ago. And I asked him, I said,
Speaker 1: because he worked for the Forest Reservice as attempt during
Speaker 1: the year. The Force Reservice employees kids till they're like
Speaker 1: twenty one or twenty or something like that. So he
Speaker 1: had planted trees and things like that for many years,
Speaker 1: but now he was the year that he was too old.
Speaker 3: He goes, no, but they make us. When we first
Speaker 3: get hired, you have a meeting and they tell you
Speaker 3: that if you see tracks, you tell your supervisor. He'll
Speaker 3: take a picture, and then you destroy the tracks. And
Speaker 3: he just didn't skip a beat. He said that they
Speaker 3: they will take certain areas because they want to keep
Speaker 3: the big footers out, and they will put fake tracks
Speaker 3: in different areas so that the bigfooters don't go into
Speaker 3: these certain areas.
Speaker 1: And he said that he told me how they actually
Speaker 1: he said they if you see one, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to talk about it. You're supposed to just tell your
Speaker 1: supervisor and he'll take care of it. And he said,
Speaker 1: and some of the ones that cause problems, they just kill.
Speaker 1: And he said there's a place in Florida that they
Speaker 1: send the bodies.
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, shit.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't too many years after that that he
Speaker 1: saw that Jesse Ventura had a had a show about
Speaker 1: conspiracy and all that, and in Florida there is a
Speaker 1: place where they do all these experiments and stuff and
Speaker 1: you cannot get not even if you're a senator. You
Speaker 1: can't get in here into that place. So that's what
Speaker 1: made me. I just the guy, it just rolled off
Speaker 1: his tongue like.
Speaker 3: It was nothing.
Speaker 1: We're eating lunch and I'm just like, wow, Wow, this
Speaker 1: is I knew it was true what he was telling me,
Speaker 1: and it made sense. So I've carried that with me too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that's that's amazing. I've filed a few
Speaker 1: people about it, and it makes sense.
Speaker 3: To them too. Yeah. I had never heard that.
Speaker 1: No, he was that's here in Washington. We were just
Speaker 1: happened to be on launch at the same time. All
Speaker 1: I wanted was help. And that's all I'm.
Speaker 3: Hoping I could do for other people is I will
Speaker 3: listen to you and gosh, whatever I can do to
Speaker 3: help that. There was just nobody that could do that.
Speaker 1: And when it came down to it, who can you
Speaker 1: if you go tell your doctor. And the first thing
Speaker 1: I happened to us when I went to work and
Speaker 1: I told a small group of guys what happened. The
Speaker 1: first guy says, well, I sure would like to smoke
Speaker 1: what you're smoking. I was like, mother effort, It's got
Speaker 1: nothing to do with smoking or drinking. You know, hallucinate
Speaker 1: when you're drinking beer and you know. And another guy
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'm going to go up there and
Speaker 1: see if I can't make a friend. Well, he went
Speaker 1: up there by himself, and he said he was so
Speaker 1: creaked out that he had to leave. But then he
Speaker 1: went back up there and he threw a loaf of
Speaker 1: bread on the other side of the creek. And he
Speaker 1: came back in the morning and he said there was
Speaker 1: a perfect tear in the middle of the bread and
Speaker 1: it was brought back onto the other side and he
Speaker 1: said there was four pieces missed, no crumbs in there.
Speaker 1: From something chewing on it or anything like that.
Speaker 2: How does a loaf of bread get across a creek?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a perfect my tear with four because he
Speaker 1: counted the pieces of bread.
Speaker 3: With four pieces gone. It's just I don't know. I
Speaker 3: believe also a lot of people would disagree, but that's okay.
Speaker 3: I believe that they do know what fire is, and
Speaker 3: I believe that when they need it, they know how
Speaker 3: to make it.
Speaker 1: I believe these things are not holmost safety and sapien.
Speaker 1: I hate even saying things. There are some kind of people.
Speaker 1: There are definitely some kind of people. And I think
Speaker 1: that when people.
Speaker 3: Go, well, we got to kill one so that we
Speaker 3: can save them, save them from what They haven't needed
Speaker 3: any protection. Why would they need your protection? It just
Speaker 3: doesn't make.
Speaker 2: Sense going into this, Like you know, we had that
Speaker 2: conversation and everything about how it seems that possibly other
Speaker 2: podcasts have, like you said, just tried to trigger you
Speaker 2: to get that rise out of you and be entertainment
Speaker 2: or whatever. And so you know, I told you that
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to pressure you to do it. It's
Speaker 2: up to you.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been completely comfortable with you, Matt, completely.
Speaker 2: Good, good, I decided that I was just going to
Speaker 2: let you, you know, tell your story how you wanted
Speaker 2: to tell it, and just leave it at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I try to do the best I can.
Speaker 3: My wife says, I jump around a lot, and it
Speaker 3: might be because of the PTSD that I can't seem
Speaker 3: to keep it all in a perfect role. You know,
Speaker 3: I do the best I can. Yeah, you did fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, like obviously there's like things that I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about about your story, and there might be some questions
Speaker 2: that I have for you or whatever. But I'll ask
Speaker 2: all those you know, off air and personal messages.
Speaker 3: Anything we talk about you.
Speaker 1: You ever want me to come back on, I'd be
Speaker 1: glad to It's it's been a pleasure though talking to you.
Speaker 1: I feel very comfortable about talking about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have all the other worries, like what am
Speaker 1: I going to do at work? There's a lot of stress.
Speaker 3: Seems like every time this would happen, I'm dealing with
Speaker 3: a lot of stress. Yeah, and you know, I mean
Speaker 3: I remember when my son got laid.
Speaker 1: Off in my little his little boy he's just he
Speaker 1: could he wasn't even walking or anything, you know, And
Speaker 1: I I just you know, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm going through all this shit. You know, I'm worried
Speaker 1: about my son. I'm worried about what grandson. And I
Speaker 1: tend to let a lot of things worry me back
Speaker 1: in the day, and I don't anymore.
Speaker 3: I just it's not it's not worth the trouble. Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I try not to judge people,
Speaker 3: but I just want. I think everybody should know that
Speaker 3: it's okay to change your mind about anything.
Speaker 2: If you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something else
Speaker 2: you can't explain, and you'd like to share your story
Speaker 2: on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail
Speaker 2: dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com.
Speaker 2: You can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise,
Speaker 2: everything you need all in one place, and until next time,
Speaker 2: remember there's something in the woods.
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