Speaker 1: And I had a sense of dread when we first
pulled in there, and I just tried to ignore it,
and it didn't take maybe fifteen minutes. I was sitting
next to the fire and all of a sudden, I
hear a foot stomp, and I was just like, oh
my god. I immediately I said to myself, maybe it's
an elk, But I knew, I knew. I mean, I
look down at the ground as I'm sitting there, trying
to act naturalize, like I know what that is.
Speaker 2: I guess the best place to start is back at
the beginning. How did you get interested in all this
bigfoot stuff?
Speaker 3: Well, when I was a kid. I didn't realize till
I was an adult.
Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, we lived on an
old homestead Yambula, Oregon, and we were way up on
a mountain, and one day I saw what I thought
was a man down at our well was down a slope,
probably one hundred yards from the house, and I was
just learning to walk again. I had hip problems as
a kid, at hip disease, so I was kind of
just learning to be able to walk independently.
Speaker 3: At I was around eleven or so, and the grass.
Speaker 1: Grew super high there, and so I was kind of
filling the tops of the grass and I looked down
over the hill and I saw the back of a
head and slicked back black hair.
Speaker 3: That was the style back then for men. You know,
the real cream a little devil, do you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It scared me, so I, you know, hobbled back to
the house and I told my mom there was a
man down there at our well. And uh, they went
and looked, and they were they were upset with me.
They thought maybe that I was making up a story
or something because they said there's nobody down there. But
when I think about it as an adult, I was like, wow,
there's only one way in and one way out to that.
To get to that house, we were literally the end
of a mile drive and.
Speaker 3: It was one way in, one way out. There was
you would have had to drive in there.
Speaker 1: So so I figured that out as an adult, I
was like, Hell, that must have been a sasquatch.
Speaker 3: Had to be.
Speaker 1: Uh, the different noises and stuff we would hear at night,
like conversation when we'd be out playing. Because you know,
when you're in the country, especially back in the seventies, Uh,
you didn't have internet you didn't have. You had three
channels of television, that's all you had. So we spent
a lot of time out on that property catching snakes
and things like alligator, lizards and skinks. We'd be yelling,
get off our land because you could hear like conversation.
And again we didn't realize, so.
Speaker 3: We were adults that.
Speaker 1: I had to be sas squashing her because it couldn't
be humans. Why would there be humans, And they would
have had to drive all the way from gas and.
Speaker 3: Then through that you can hear people coming a mile
away when we'd have guests and stuff.
Speaker 1: So again that's something I figured out once I became
an adult.
Speaker 3: And then I met Will Jebning.
Speaker 1: We worked at the same company and we were giving
each other rides home as in one day he says,
they don't want to tell you something, but you got
to keep it to yourself.
Speaker 3: And told me you did big foot stuff.
Speaker 1: And I had about twenty books in my house on
that subject, and I told him, yeah, I've been I've
been fascinated with this for years myself, but I never
I never We never went looking for him or anything
like that. Just every once in a while you'd stumble
on a track that you just'd be like hmm. When
I was in job Corps, we climbed Vulcan Mountain. It
took us seven hours to climb Vulcan Mountain. And we
found one track on the top where it overlooked the
valley and it was.
Speaker 3: A muddy just a muddy spot with the rest of
it was all granted and it obviously stood. This was
a right foot, so it obviously stood with the left
foot on on the.
Speaker 1: Boulder that was there and is and the right foot
was was in that that uh, that mud. We went
back down the mountain and and uh, they gave us
a bag of lime since we didn't have anything else.
They thought we were just messing with them. So we
went we climbed that mountain again and climbed I mean
we walked up at you know, it's pretty steep. But
it took us many hours. But we filled that track
in with that line, took the picture. And then the
guy that ran uh that job corps was Ed Allen.
He was head of the forestry service in that particular area.
Speaker 3: He took our film. Uh, he took our picture and
didn't give it back. And yeah, this thing was a
huge print he said, that's nothing more than a shi
gris up there, and we're you know, I didn't know
what a grizzly bear track look like, but I know
what they look like now thanks to the Internet. But
and a bear track, and that was not a bear track.
That was that was one huge wide foot that but you.
Speaker 1: Know that was you could feel while you were up
on that mountain too, just that a little bit of
a sense of look around type of thing.
Speaker 3: You felt like something was kind of watching you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the whole time when we're walking up that,
like I said, it took six or seven hours. In
one section, we'd see big horn sheep laying down just
staring at us. And then you get to a higher
section and then there's elk just just looking at you.
Speaker 3: They don't get a lot of human.
Speaker 1: Interaction there, and so yeah, that was fascinating for me
because I'd never seen a big horn sheep before. But yeah,
that was that was just the beginning of that kind
of stuff. And then you know, meeting Will Jevning. We
were fast friends for about about almost two years.
Speaker 3: I mean like real close.
Speaker 1: But man, we would go out and we would never
see anything, nothing, not anything, And the very the very
second that we decided we didn't want to do it anymore. Uh,
my wife and I go to what's called the Devil's
Backbone to camp for the weekend, and there's a whole
line of like maybe four or five inch tracks, and
I measured them out for the distance between the is
between the stride was forty inches.
Speaker 3: Somewhere in there spent a lot of years. And then
I realized.
Speaker 1: After a while that those were all left feet, so
it probably had the It was the way that that
road was with the gravel and the dirt and the
clay and all that stuff, was its left foot was
basically on the clay.
Speaker 3: The right foot would have been on the gravel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that means it probably was a twenty
inch spread, I guess if I wanted to break it down.
Speaker 3: And if you'd add the right foot and all that.
Speaker 1: So that was the first We're like wow, man, because
what kind of made me nervous was at that time
we all believed that they were friendly gorillas of some kind,
and I was just worried about, Jesus, where's the mom
if this thing?
Speaker 3: Because you didn't see any big tracks.
Speaker 1: So it was, yeah, my wife and I were looking
at that, and we had our at that time, our
youngest son was like three, so we're like, let's just
get out of here and get back to the you know,
the camp we were at that. I mean, we never
had any anything happened in the Devil's Backbone ever. It
just that was the one and only time. It was
the time we broke away from the Will Jevining and
his group. She ended up having to take care of
her mom for many, many, many years, so we had
quit camping all together. We hadn't been in the forest
for fifteen or so years, you know. In twenty sixteen
we started because her mom had passed away. In twenty fifteen,
we decided we would start camping again. So we would
we would go up called the eighty one Road, and
you go up past Marrow Lake, which we found out
is kind of a popular place for Sasquatch sightings, and
Cliff Brockman can can back all that up.
Speaker 3: But we, uh, we were in the lower camps.
Speaker 1: We didn't know that there were higher camps, and you
always had this feeling something was watching you. And then
one night something went through stuff in our camp. Could
have it could have been a human being. Because there
was people out there camping. Uh, but there was beers missing.
And back then we smoked a pack of cigarettes was gone,
and we're just like, what the heck, you know, And
we didn't think for a second it was a sasquatch.
I mean, uh, some people since then puld Maybe I
don't think they sasquatch smoking cigarettes and drinking our beer.
Speaker 3: I mean, you never know. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, I mean he could
have drank the beers, but I don't know about lighting
a cigarette.
Speaker 3: But it was at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: We had decided to drive further up to eighty one,
and we found all these really nice camps, so we
decided we'd camp, you know, for the following year, and
we went up there. The big Foot was the last
thing on our mind when I when some people are like,
why didn't you take pictures of this or that, we
weren't looking for sasquatch, When with that first real encounter,
that was the furthest thing on our minds.
Speaker 3: And we had we had extra days off. The company
was struggling a little bit, so they gave us extra
days off for that holiday weekend that's in September, and
so we we had picked out a campsite, but it
was further up and somebody was already in it. And
this was like Thursday. So as we were.
Speaker 1: Coming back down, we found another one that was with
a creek and all that stuff and off the road,
and so we set up all our stuff. And I
had a sense of dread when we first pulled in there,
and I just tried to ignore it. And we got
it all set up. My wife still had to work,
so I decided I'd stay the night and all that
she left, and it didn't take maybe fifteen minutes. I
was sitting next to the fire and all of a sudden,
I hear a foot stomp and I was just like.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I immediately I said to myself, maybe it's a nolk,
but I knew, I knew. I mean, I looked down
at the ground as I'm sitting there, trying to naturalize,
like I know what that is.
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea how many years had passed
since you were doing bigfoot stuff in that moment?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? When did we go away from Jamming?
Speaker 1: Oh God, like ninety I think we pulled away from
him in ninety three. Or ninety five, so that was
the last time we'd ever done anything bigfoot wise. We
had camped up until I think two thousand was the
last time we camped before she started taking care of
her mom.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was quite a We quit doing bigfoot anything when
we splintered away from the Pacific Sasquatch coasts. Something he
had something from that I don't remember the name. That's
how important it is to me now I don't remember.
Speaker 2: But like a good fifteen to twenty years had passed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, a long time. That stomp I made
me think about.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's scared to crap at me because I
know that elk stomp and I've been like standing next
to buck deer that they're smaller, so I'm just kind
of aggravating them.
Speaker 3: They're stomping at me and snorting, and this was real heavy.
Speaker 1: So I just thought to myself, because most of my
native family tell you, they know what fire sticks are,
and that's would be a gun. They know what bows
and arrows are and all that stuff. So I pulled
my little revolver out. It was just a thirty two magnum,
pretty rare nowadays. It was an old police bulldog issue
and I set that on the table.
Speaker 3: I made sure that it was out where it could
be seen.
Speaker 1: I actually held it up and I set it on
the table that was next to me, and then I
pulled my bowie knife and I laid that on the
table too, and I just tried to I looked at
the fire, and I was just kind of trying to
act natural, and then it's a stomp happened again. So
I got up and I grabbed my chair. I did
everything as calm as I could. Plus I threw two
whole bundles of wood on the fire, and it was
going up pretty high. So I walked over to our tent,
which was several yards away. We like to keep our
tents way away from the fire. And I sat there
for about ten or fifteen minutes until I started feeling
like everything would be okay.
Speaker 3: So I walked back over.
Speaker 1: There and I sat down and I just cracked open
a beer and I heard actual footsteps, like two footsteps,
loud and clear, and I just I got up without
I just got up again, and I threw all the
wood I had on the fire, which I'm so lucky
I didn't start a forest fire. That was easily.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, there's like six split logs in a pack
that you buy, and I had thrown seven of those
all together on that and the fire was raging.
Speaker 1: In fact, some of the trees nearby started kind of
waving back and forth from the energy of the fire.
Speaker 2: Were you just trying to light the area up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That, and I was hoping to scare them. And so
they're not afraid of fire, I can tell you that now.
But I so I went back to the tent and
I sat there and something caught the corner of my.
Speaker 3: Eye scared the crap out of me.
Speaker 1: I look over and here's a jet black cottontail walked
out of that berry where the berries are.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, it scared the crap out
of me.
Speaker 1: And Doug Hijack told me that when he had his
encounter that he also saw a black a wild black cottontail.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I was just like, really, what a coincidence?
It just man, I started my mind started clouding up,
you know, being afraid and all that stuff. And I've
only taken like.
Speaker 1: A sip out of that beer and I set it
down because I didn't the last thing I wanted to do,
is if somebody did pull into our camp and I
could get a ride home or get out of there.
Speaker 3: Is I didn't want to think I was a ring
drunk or something like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just I just set it on the ground,
and just before it got dark, it was just just
getting to the point where you couldn't see very good.
I went ahead and got in the tent and our lantern.
She was going to bring fuel the next day, so
I had like a half of a cylinder and I
turned that on and left it outside the tent, just
in the chair, and I laid in there with I
didn't put no covers on or nothing, and I was
soaked from the rain would come and then leave. The
rain would come and then leave, and I just lay
it in there and kind of covered up a little
bit with a blanket and just waited. I had my
gun in one hand and I had my knife in
the other. And because they started almost as soon as
I went in the tent, they started this humming thing.
And the closest thing I can see that it is
one I got home. After that weekend, I went on
line and I was looking up all the different animals
and It sounded like that sound that elephants make, but
it couldn't have been imps because you can't hear in
for sound. But it sounded like that, that whole type
of thing. But it just was steady. Some people like
Doug Highcheck think that they perr.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I have no idea. All I know
is that it that humming thing. It just didn't stop,
and it was I was.
Speaker 1: In that tent, wet from the rain and also soaking
wet from sweat and fear. I just I laid in
there and listened to that and listened to that, and
I was driving me nuts. But at the same time,
you know, I had to pee, so I just I held.
Speaker 3: It, and I held it. I held it. It was dark.
I finally about I don't know, one or two in
the morning. It's been ten years now.
Speaker 1: I opened the tent and I was just going to
pee out of it, and I look across the camp
and there's an orb of a good size.
Speaker 3: I didn't know it was an orb.
Speaker 1: Then it looked like when a kid takes the wand
for bubbles and puts it in the big one, the
big circle, and then does the thing.
Speaker 3: This looked like a soap bubble.
Speaker 1: There was about I don't know, sixteen inches long, and
it was like moving like a soap bubble too.
Speaker 3: Staying in, I did not dropping or going higher. In
a steady motion.
Speaker 1: About three feet off the ground, I could be through it,
but it had this red tin all the way around it,
all the way around it, and I could tell it
was alive. I mean, I was just like you could
feel that it was alive. I closed the tent back up,
still didn't get to and I kind of yelled, I
can't I can't f and handle both of you at
the same time because the subsquatch thing was just killing me.
Speaker 3: There was nobody up there that you know.
Speaker 1: I would have literally got out and walked if there
was somebody in another camp nearby, but being a Thursday,
there was nobody there except higher than me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I just and I knew the fight
or flight thing was completely That's why I just walked
normal to get back to get in the tent to
begin with. But yeah, finally, right about man, if I
can remember correctly, somewhere around five something in the morning,
it let out a very long.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it because the forest is
right behind me here where we and this I hunt
back there and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So and they are back here. So I'm just not
going to do that call. But it did a call
that it was a very aggressive and ended it whether
you know, this was like sixteen inches sixteen inches sixteen
seconds long, and I was just laying in the tent
went oh my god. But it ended with a huah.
And that's all I'm going to tell you is that.
But I had never heard anything like that in my life.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, and it sounds like a
big man or something. I was like, maybe it's somebody
over there screwing with me. But I waited till it
was daylight and I got out, and the tension, the
tension when I got out of that that tent with
daylight was just for me. The way I always try
to tell the people is when you're in the same
room with somebody and you're working and you cannot stand them,
both of you cannot stand each other. That's what it
felt like. This tension just so thick and and oh
my god. I looked down there at that beer. First,
I just stood there and peed I was going to
pass out if I didn't pee, and then I looked
down at that beer and I picked it up and
it was full of like it rained all night, and
I just kind of yelled over. I was like, I
don't care, I'm going to drink this beer. And I
took like four big swigs. It tasted like water and beer,
you know, yeah, it was, but oh my god, I
drank that thing all the way down. I was just like, oh,
but I was soaking wet, and I could smell myself
from the from all the sweating and stuff. So through
the last two bundles of wood I had over the
coals and it started up real nice, and I took
my clothes off and I burned them. And I don't
know why, I just I got I'm getting rid of them.
And so I went ahead and grabbed some fresh clothes,
and I made some water on the fire in a
tea kettle, and I kind of I washed my whole
body with it, and then I put clean clothes on
because I just I felt just nasty from all that
sweat and stuff.
Speaker 3: It's a it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Uh, you feel like you're pinned down like that and
there's really nothing you can do. And and I had
literally that night I had gave sent I put a
message on my phone for my wife to tell her
that I thought I was going to die that night.
So I just wanted her to know that I loved
her and that I would if anything I could do
to have been a better husband I wish I would
have done, and how much I loved the boys and
our grandsons. So uh, and I said, there's a sasquatch
out there, to not go away.
Speaker 3: So but in the morning, when I made it, I
erased the message. I was a little on the embarrassed side.
But you know, they just the tension lasted until about god,
i'd say ten am. Nine. At ten am, the.
Speaker 1: Birds had come over, the what we call camp robbers
or scrub jays. They'll eat right out of your hand,
and so they were making all their noise, and I
was throwing them food and everything, and I just kept
talking to the other side of the of the creek,
and you know that, look, I'm a good guy on
feed these these birds.
Speaker 3: But they something started imitating the sound of those birds,
and it wasn't very good. The imitation was awful.
Speaker 1: From the other side of that creek, and so I
drive I poured myself a couple offee, and I stood
there and I just happened to look to my left
for a second, and there was one standing behind a tree.
It was red, and I could see it's shoulders, but
it was behind the tree, so all I saw was
the shoulders, and I quickly.
Speaker 3: Looked forward because I didn't want to look that way again.
Speaker 1: I was drinking my coffee using my perithrio vision, and
it didn't move.
Speaker 3: It didn't even move, not in any GUIs shape or
for me, it didn't. So I h I ran out
of out of wood. So I decided that I was
going to walk.
Speaker 1: Toward toward the toward the road and looked for wood
because it was just creeping me out.
Speaker 3: So I did that.
Speaker 1: When I came back, it was gone. But Alexander Petakov,
when he was up there, he went over there and
he stood behind the tree and he asked me, can
you anything?
Speaker 3: And I was like no.
Speaker 1: So then he told me, he says, so this thing
wasn't as toll as you think it was, because it
was what was scaring me was it was like the
shoulders were like eight feet high, and and.
Speaker 3: He told me, he says, there's a there's an old
stump back there, just directly behind it. And I was like,
so he took me back there.
Speaker 1: I had never ever gone back there throughout the years,
and sure enough, as I saw it was basically standing
on that stump. It's the only way I could have
done that. So it wasn't the giant that I thought
it was, thank God.
Speaker 3: But when my wife got there the next day, the
first thing she said when she got.
Speaker 1: Out of there the car was I put a beer
can next to a footprint that was right there in
the camp, and she noticed it as soon as she
stepped out of the car.
Speaker 3: And then she she also noticed something was wrong with me,
and she asked me what happened? And I just older.
Speaker 1: So we walked over to the creek and I can't
believe I had lost I forgot about the creek, and
I asked her.
Speaker 3: I was like, this creek, this creek was here. We
look at her.
Speaker 1: She's like, of course, and then she said, remember you
talked about it's so slow moving that our grandson could
play in it.
Speaker 3: When they came up a couple days later, we.
Speaker 1: Looked across and I said, well, was that down tree
there yesterday? And she's like no, and this tree, I
could hear them during the night praying it like a
popsicle stick. When you get down eating a popsicle, most
people always bend it, break it, and pray it apart.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what it found it like. And so this
tree was.
Speaker 1: Got at least thirty feet tall, but it was only
like four inches around, and they they broke it right
at ground level and prayed it until it was laying
against the bushes across the trail, and then it was.
Speaker 3: Twisted about about fifteen to twenty feet. They twisted it
and brought.
Speaker 1: It back in it to like a It would have
been an empty a, but they they grabbed another small
tree uprooted it, I mean small, like a vine maple.
Speaker 3: It was maybe fifteen feet tall, but it was thin,
and they.
Speaker 1: Laid that across that, and it looked like it looked
like some sort of a. I didn't know anything about
their glyphs or anything. I don't even know if they
do have those things. It's just that was it looked
to me like it was purposely done. And so I
had a buddy that actually went up there a couple
of weeks later, and he's like he couldn't even snap
that tree by using his pulling against his knee, and
he was a big dude. But there was God, there
was footprints. My wife and I walked across that creek.
There was footprints everywhere, different sizes, and the biggest one
was I think probably may have been twenty inches, but.
Speaker 3: There was only one and it.
Speaker 1: Was half sticking out from being on the moss to
the trail. Good size, but there was mostly there were
between seven inches to fourteen inches multiple.
Speaker 3: So I my native family always said.
Speaker 1: If they put a tree down, don't cross it, and
so we didn't cross it. But when my son got
there the following day, we did cross. Me and him
went over there, and boy, that whole area was like
pour up. I mean, trees that were small, trees that
were down were picked up and tossed, tossed across the
the trail.
Speaker 3: There was indentse in the ground from where these limbs
and trees had laid for who knows how long, and
they were broken trees, all kinds of stuff. There was
a lot of damage back there.
Speaker 1: But my son, he was mad at my wife for
we in our family, we don't camp alone and we
don't hunt alone.
Speaker 3: My wife when she got home that when she dropped me.
Speaker 1: Off, told my told my son that that our son
that she had, that I was spending the night up there,
and she's and my son told her, are you going
to go back and get him? Because he didn't like
the idea that we were up I was up there
by myself, but uh yeah, he was. Once he saw
the tracks and everything, he was really kind of upset
with us. So and we had my little grandson up
there the day.
Speaker 3: It was the following day that my wife got there,
but the tension.
Speaker 1: Went away, and then they started. When my wife got there,
everything changed. They you could hear them back there talking,
but it was like if you live.
Speaker 3: In a neighborhood and your neighbor down the block is
talking with somebody. That's what it sounded like.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it sounded like I worked with death Peel
at the company I retired from. It sounded like when
when deaf people are taught trying to talk to you.
Speaker 3: That's what it sounded like back there.
Speaker 1: And my wife and I were sitting as I was
telling her everything that happened the night before. We were
sitting there that st to the fire and it was
it was probably by thirty. We hear in this raven
circles our camp and on the third circle it stopped
and it hovered, and just below us in the.
Speaker 3: Bush, the raven goes and this thing goes from the
bush and probably twenty five feet away from us. Wow.
And I was like, oh God.
Speaker 1: I told my wife, I said, Jesus, there's some pissess
right over there. And I think that was their juvenile
but I we never heard any brush cracking, none of
that stuff.
Speaker 3: Then that crow or that raven flew away after that too.
We're just sitting there. My wife is enjoying this whole thing.
I'm not so much.
Speaker 1: I hadn't slept in thirty some hours because all the
shit that went on, so, you know, for me, ugh,
I just was a mess.
Speaker 3: But so I get up and I walk over take
a pee right by the creek.
Speaker 1: And I'm wearing a bright red hoodie and I'm standing
there pee and I look up and this woman's walking
down the path looking at me, and I'm looking at her.
Speaker 3: It's she's far enough away, you know. And I told
my wife, great, there's a woman walking down the path.
And she would look down at to make sure that
you know that she was not.
Speaker 1: She would look down like you would look down when
you're walking to make sure you don't trip on something,
and then she would look at me, and then pretty
soon she got close enough where I was like, I
thought it was a heavy set woman in uh that
was layered because of the how the weather was acting,
and I looked like a Caucasian woman to me, a
heavy set Caucasian woman.
Speaker 3: I kept telling my wife, she's got a crazy coat on.
Speaker 1: It's it's I'm seeing flashes of purple, flashes of pink
and things like that.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand.
Speaker 1: So my wife gets up and just as she gets
up to go over, this thing takes it like a
military left right into the forest, so smooth.
Speaker 3: It was the most smoothest thing I've ever seen. And
me being a soldier, I always thought I was pretty
good when I did my left and.
Speaker 1: Left right type of motions when they called the motions.
This thing was the most perfect thing I've ever seen.
My wife says she thinks that it wanted us to
at least go across that creek to get away so
that their kid could could get out of that situation
it was in.
Speaker 3: It was right below us. We didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't and I didn't even steal at that point.
Didn't think much of it until I realized that that
wasn't a woman that I can't describe, you know, one
hundred percent the face. Sibylla Irwin was gonna do it
drawing for me when I was talking to her one day.
We've been friends for years, but she I told her,
I said, I can't describe the face because she was
probably twenty yards away maybe, but I could see clearly
that it was a woman. The face was, like I said,
it was Caucasian.
Speaker 3: That's what kind of messed with me the most, was
as like Jesus, these things looked just like us, other
than the fact that bigger. It is bigger.
Speaker 1: In the area that just across the creek, there was
a down tree top. It was a cedar tree top
that it was down, and it was stuper thick and
dark right on the other side, and there was limbs
and stuff all over it. That was where they were
using as a hiding place to watch people.
Speaker 3: Because my wife, actually this male was.
Speaker 1: Peka boo in her and all she saw was at
one point was the ear, you know, like when you
get caught looking at a woman or something and they
look at you and you kind of you do the
best to turn your head quickly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what this did.
Speaker 1: And it seemed to be like fascinated with her that
whole weekend. But later that evening, probably an hour after seeing.
Speaker 3: Her, we hear who just like that. I've spent my
life in the forest and I've never heard a whoop,
and that was the first time in my life and
it was crystal.
Speaker 1: Clear whoops, not like or any of that kind of stuff.
It was a whoop, two of them together, and my
wife like again, she's just enjoying this whole thing. And
pretty soon we start hearing from further back there a
screaming match, yelling and screaming. Somebody. I'm talking this was
a sasquatch doing this. Somebody was getting their ass June
and I'm wondering if it was the male that kept
me up all night, And I don't know for sure
that it was a male, but Mitchell Townsend told me
that he had dealt with that same male for years
and years and years, and he thinks maybe somebody shot
at it or something at some point, And that was
that's what I taught too, but well he sure was
not aggressive once my wife was there kind of crapy,
but you boy, that female they call her the Screamer.
The few people around that know about this family, they
refer to her as the Screamer because she's so loud.
Speaker 3: I figured that they were just getting in trouble because.
Speaker 1: I thought whatever was messing with us and messing with
me that night was probably like a teenager type of sasquatch,
probably trying to show it's it's you know, bravery or
whatever whatever they do. But that I was still on
edge that that that weekend, and then I just told
her she would get up like before the sun came up,
and she would go out and make coffee and she
would stand there and they would be breaking. Like well,
She's like, oh, they're all over over there. They're walking breaking,
breaking sticks and stuff when they walk. And she was
sitting in the car and drink her coffee and listen
to them. I was just like, I don't trust them.
I just don't trust them.
Speaker 3: They're not our furry forest friends, but I just don't
trust them.
Speaker 1: And sure enough I went I had and left gifts,
not gifts. I hate that gifting thing. But we had
sugarless pastries, so if I left some of those, I
walked across there and I just said out loud, I
apologize for crossing that tree, and I hope you accept this.
And so I laid out a bunch of sugarless, no
frosting of any kind of pop tarts, and I don't
know if they ever took them or anything like that.
Speaker 3: But so we went home, and oh man, it took me.
It took me a month before I could go back
out there. I was.
Speaker 1: Really affected my sleep. I'm on actual medication to this
day to sleep. And we decided we'd go back, and
my wife baked them a whole bunch of sugarless wild
berry muffins, and we took those up, and we not
only did we cross that tree again, but we walked
up the trail and then we walked further and we
started hearing this tapping, and then we started smelling something
I never smelled. It was awful. It wasn't dead smell.
It smelled like garbage, kitchen garbage. When you open a
a say, like a dumpster or something you're gonna throw
away something, somebody had thrown food in there.
Speaker 3: That's what it smelled.
Speaker 1: Like, and so we decided just that we'd go ahead
and go back to camp because I was just completely
creeped out. So we went ahead and walked back to camp.
And so we're we have a nice fire, go. We
only went up there to bring that to him, have
some dinner together. My wife and I still do a
lot of We love each other. We've been together forty
four years, so we loved doing stuff together and doing
that kind of stuff. So we, uh, we were eating
some chicken and I was having a beer and she
was relaxing by the fire, and I decided I would
make that call that I'm talking about that they did
a month previous, and I did it like three times,
and then I did it super aggressive, super loud. And
when I when I finished my last time doing it,
just as I finished it, this loud stick breaks and
you could hear leaked, I said. I turned around to
my wife and I said, did you hear? And by
the time I got that out, it was already on
our side of the creek, just in the tree line,
and boy, we both took off. She she had her
he's she had a she had a pouch in her chair,
and we had just bought a.
Speaker 3: Chair for me on the way up. So we we run.
Speaker 1: She's got that blanket tangled up in her eggs and
her her hand is stuck in her chair trying to
get the car keys. And we get We run to
the cars only like fifteen feet away. She gets in
and I get in and as I'm looking at her
and I was like this this was my very words.
We get in there, I said, well, are you going
to start this son of a bitch or not? And
she goes, I dropped the keys and I was like,
oh my god. And so it literally she just dropped
them outside the door. I didn't know that. She she
reachs down, got him shut the door again, and I
look out there and all I see was like a.
Speaker 3: It was so graceful, like A.
Speaker 1: All I see is in this white part of this
tree that's about eight feet high that it has the
white bark.
Speaker 3: It went.
Speaker 1: There was white bark and then dark and then light
again because this thing had just passed past me.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god. I could just
see just with the silhouette. This thing was huge, you know,
like it was big, really big. And I was like,
oh my god. So she starts the car and we
forget about. She drives about ten feet and she goes,
should we go ahead and take our stuff?
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, we could throw it in
the back real quick. So she backs back up and
I'm looking the whole time. Now I don't see anything.
But we get out and I'm scared to death, man,
and she opens the trunk and I was like, I
thought we were throwing this shit in the back seat,
not going all the way back to the trunk. Yeah,
Oh my god, Oh my god, she's got I had
the uh this thing. It was like a go pro
that my kids had bought me for Christmas. I had
it in my hand and I told her before we
got out, I said, don't turn it off the car.
We get out and she gets her chair of minds further.
I'm holding I've got that thing in my hand and
I'm holding onto the car and I reach and I stretch,
and I stretch and I stretch, and I get one
finger on that chair and it had a bottle of
water on it.
Speaker 3: And I start pulling that to me and.
Speaker 1: She's so I'm like, I don't know how to hold this.
Speaker 3: She grabs it.
Speaker 1: Women can do anything, you know. It's just bizarre to me.
How they can figure something out we just can't do.
She folded that up real quick, and then she starts
stumping the water on the fire, and I said, what
the help are you doing. Let's get out of here.
And so we we get back in the car, and
I'll tell you we got to the end. It's about
it's about a sixty or seventy yard it could be
a little less, could be a little more to drive
out to the main forest road. We stopped as soon
as we've got past those boulders, and her purse was
wrapped in her legs, and we were both having a
panic attack and coughing and all that stuff, and laughing hysterically.
And it wasn't because we thought anything was funny. That's
the first time I'd ever had I don't know whether
what you would call it hysteria.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, hysteric.
Speaker 3: I just I couldn't stop laughing. I couldn't stop coughing.
Speaker 1: I was shaking, and my poor wife, you know, she'd
finally had gotten her legs untangled and all that stuff,
and we calmed down a little bit and then we
just pulled out and I looked back and I just
watching that fire and hoping that it would step out
so I could actually see it, and it didn't, and
we lived.
Speaker 3: We didn't even talk on the way home. We didn't
say two words to each other.
Speaker 1: And we got home and I told my neighbor, who
is an avid hunter, and I said, we just got
chased by a sasquatch.
Speaker 3: Man and oh, yeah, good for you type of thing.
It was just like, who do you tell? I mean?
I was I was in a I was a mess.
I thought this thing was going to murder my wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh yeah, but she told me, she goes, no, No,
you were my hero. You did not You did not
get in the car until I was safely in the car.
Because it's just a blur to me, that particular part
of it.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a.
Speaker 1: Blur, and it's kind of like the the night that
I had, you know, was by myself. I know that
I'm missing a little bit of time, but I wasn't
hurt or anything, and I just I just felt that
that something happened in time. And since I don't feel
like I was violated or any of that kind of stuff. Uh,
there's been more than one person who's told me you
got to go get hypnotized.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be hypnotized. I don't want want
to know. I you know, I just don't want to know.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if people always want me to
give him an excuse why, I just don't want to know.
Speaker 3: If I didn't feel violated. So I don't know what.
I don't want to know. Maybe I fell asleep actually
and didn't know it. I don't know, but it was
pretty traumatic. And then, you know, when we got home,
we both sat outside and we finally started to talk
about it. You know, we must have smoked a package
cigarettes eight hour and a half.
Speaker 1: Jesus, I haven't touched tobacco in eight and a half years,
but back then, jeez, it was. I had to go
back to work on Tuesday, and we decided we we
would try to find help somehow. So I sent doctor
Meltram a message, never heard anything back from him. Sat
Cliff Brockman like four messages, never heard back from him. Well,
like this was going to be if we could get
somebody up there that was some kind of a professional,
because we were not looking for Sasquatch. We went up
on that original trip to pan for gold and just hike.
Speaker 3: Around and have fun.
Speaker 1: It's been so many years, you know, but I never
heard from any of those people, and so I just
I was so messed up I couldn't sleep. I reached
out to West Germer, and he's about as kind of
a person as you'll ever meet. He's very kind, and
I to take this opportunity right now to apologize to
him on air. I got caught up in a wrong circle.
And I don't care if his what anyway he thinks,
whether his encounters were real or not. You know, he
was a very very good to me, very soothing to me.
It was the first person to help me. So I
just apologized Wes for getting on that side and saying
shit about you that I don't even know, had no
business even seeing. And so I just let that go
to West. I went to work, and then I started
having a PTSD.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: I would be at work and I was a very
low level manager. I basically took care of a small cell,
but I was a robot welder, and boy, I would
find myself bursting into tears for no just just out
of the blue, and so I would just tell people
that I was arc flashed or something like that, because
it was I was really struggling, and I I would
it would happen at home too, and my wife would
do the best you could to to try to make
things better. There was nobody I could you could go to.
And and so I met Sabyla Irwin and was she
She was the first person that literally just by talking
to me, we had done the uh FaceTime a couple
of times and and uh she was a very very
good person. She told me about other people that she
counseled and helped after a encounter, and uh, so that
that got me on a good way. It's trying to
be a husband, a boss, trying to do your job,
trying to be a grandpa and not not burst into tears.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But it just what happened. It would happened when I
would do shows too. It would be sometimes it wouldn't,
sometimes it would. And I had done so many in
a row I started telling people, no, I don't want
to do it. I wouldn't have done your show a
year ago. But after meeting the Browns, they recommended I do.
So I trust them so and I trust you. You
and I have already talked. So the thing.
Speaker 3: Was, it seemed like a lot of these shows.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to get the triggered part of me out
and so I don't cry about this shit anymore. It happened,
everybody's okay.
Speaker 3: So but back then the PTSD was was just killing me.
And so my doctor I just decided one day because
I needed the sleep meds.
Speaker 1: She wanted to know why I wasn't sleeping, and so
I told her and everything, and by the time I
got done, she just looks at me and she goes, wow,
that that is a very traumatic and the hair on
her arms was sticking straight up. She believed it one
hundred percent. I was just, who do you go to?
There's so ready to go to. There might be now,
but there wasn't back then.
Speaker 3: And so she went.
Speaker 1: Ahead and put me on this sleep medication that I
am on today on this very day. It's a narcotic.
I just can't sleep, and it's even worse when I
go to the forest. But I will never stop going
to the forest. We've been having encounters now on a
regular basis in Scamania County, and but three years ago,
about two years ago, we were up where we had
our encounter, but just the camp before that, and we
were talking to a young couple there. He was a
guy was playing his guitar and we were talking about sasquatching,
the different noises they make.
Speaker 3: And I'll be damned if just barely got done. This
guy's playing to get tar.
Speaker 1: That they they went off, probably fifty feet on the
other side of the road in the bush. They went off,
they went, they did this vocal and they did. They
kept it up for god, almost a minute, and these
this young couples looking at us and they're like, I've
never never heard this before, and it's just I was
just like wow. And it just stopped and that was it.
Didn't hear him again. Then I had some people come
up a couple of years back or UH. I invited Thomas.
Speaker 3: Steinberg and and uh Brent Dill and a couple of
people from throughout the United States and Canada, and I
my buddy that showed up from UH.
Speaker 1: He drove my one friend drove all away from Minnesota, Wow, Dakota,
he drove all away from and he got there about
two thirds in the morning. And I just happened to
be up, of course, and he just yells out of
his window. Because we have a thing we call Operation
Red Tent, an Operation green tent, and that is we'll
go to a camp that we want days early and
set up beast tents, red tent and a green tent,
so whenever we're talking to somebody, we get we coded.
As you know, operation red Tent is a go type
of thing. So but anyway, by daylight, I took him
to the other camp and showed him these other all
these other camps, and I'll be damned if we didn't
find one of the best footprints I've ever ever seen
in my life. And we covered that up immediately because
Thomas and Brent and all the other people hadn't got
there yet.
Speaker 3: So as soon as Thomas got.
Speaker 1: There, we went ahead and walked him to it, uncovered it,
and he got down on his stomach with this. He's
got a backpack full of stuff to to look at
tracks and airs and all that stuff. He spent a
good half hour or so down going from top to
bottom on that print, and he said, this is a
real print. And here's a good thing about this was
two days before there was people camping over there.
Speaker 3: They left because it poured down rain.
Speaker 1: It poured, and when you're up on that mountain when
it rains, it pours and so it poured rain and
then we had sunshine.
Speaker 3: Then it poured rain, and then we had sunshine. And
so that track was fresh because.
Speaker 1: It would have been washed away if by the rain,
if it wasn't fresh. And so it literally, it literally
had came up from the creek which is the old
Klamor River. It's basically at the start of the Clamor River.
So that yeah, and Thomas, he was just like, this
is one of the best prints I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: I believe I sent that to you. Yeah. I took
my grandson back behind here hunting last year and we
got back. There was about five in the morning, still dark,
and the sasquat slaps a tree and screams, but.
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with us. I could feel
that they had nothing to do with us. It was
far enough away too, And then then another one screamed
back to it and it wasn't aggressive it anyway. But
my poor grandson I had. This didn't bother me at all.
But oh my god, that was all she wrote for him.
He was like, I need to sit down, Papa, And
I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: He was eleven, I believe eleven or twelve, and.
Speaker 1: I let him sit down for a bit, and I
didn't realize it was because of that Sasquat doing that.
So he got up and I said, well, let's walk
out here on this Civil Forest Service road and we'll
go down to the left. And I kept looking back
and I'm like, why are you so we're behind Papa,
And finally I was like, do you want to go
back home to, you know, me and MoMA's house.
Speaker 3: He's like yeah. So then when we get out, he
stayed in front of me too.
Speaker 1: We get back and he tells me, I'm sorry, Papa,
but my legs were shaken so bad I couldn't stand
up anymore.
Speaker 3: And I was like, it's all right, you know.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, and I was so scared when
we were walking back there, and I was like, I
was like, it was Sasquats.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: That's all he talked about is how scared he was
and how he couldn't make his legs work. And I've
had that fear only once in my life, so that's
just I felt like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I felt awful for him.
Speaker 1: But you know, later in the late season, his dad
brought him our youngest son brought him back there and
they weren't there ten minutes and came back.
Speaker 3: And my son's like, yeah, he's ruined.
Speaker 1: He's kind of goo back. So you know, it's just
both of my boys. Our boys have experienced Sasquatch stuff
and all that. But this particular camp that we call
the Father's Day Camp, we go there every year. It
started out as the boys took me there for Father's Day. Well,
that was the first camp ship I'd had in fifteen years,
was that took me up there for Father's Day.
Speaker 3: And the next one was with my wife.
Speaker 1: But those Sasquats there, they don't They're almost like have
a sense of humor or something. You can camp on
either side of that road. Yeah, one that you got
to four will drive in, which is my favorite one.
But you could go either side of the road, and
I'll tell you they've thrown pebbles and made sure that
we knew they were there, thrown pebbles.
Speaker 3: I would already be in bed.
Speaker 1: My wife, she said as soon as that first rock
came down, just pebbles.
Speaker 3: She was like, I just I got up. She doesn't
play around after we got chased. She doesn't play around
at all. None, of the sounds, none of that stuff.
Speaker 1: She'll she'll just get in the car and go home
with people start doing calls and stuff like that. So, yeah,
she came and got in bed, and the next day
they're telling us both of both of our boys were
like trying to get it to come out and have
a drink with them, and you know, come out and
will feed you and all that stuff, because they said
it absolutely other than they couldn't see it. It definitely
was making plenty of noise and had a great time
throwing the pebbles and bouncing them off the rocks and stuff.
Speaker 3: So it was that was probably four years ago.
Speaker 1: And then you could hear them up on the road
in the In the Father's Day camp last year, last
camping season in May, we were there and my wife
told me that during the night, something walked and ran
its finger across her side of the tent during the
middle of the night, and she said, and I could
hear it was two feet And the next night, you know,
I'm laying there because of my piss pore sleeping, I'm
laying there and it's about two o'cle's right around around
one or two. My son and our oldest grandson. We're
having a good time at the fire. We were playing guitars,
and by the time they got done and went to bed,
it was maybe ten minutes after they had gone to bed,
I hear this, and I was like, oh, man, because
it was right up on the road above our camp,
and that's real close to the Pacific Press Trail too.
So I put my phone inside my sleeping bag and
I turn it on so I can see the time.
Speaker 3: And then I reached underneath my cot and grab.
Speaker 1: My my forty five long judge and I put it inside.
So I'm just because I've got the creeps, you know,
I've got that where the hair stands up on the
back of your neck type of thing going on.
Speaker 3: A couple of minutes later, I hear again, and so
I'm just laying there. I'm just waiting.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I will shoot the son of a bits
and he comes, I will. I don't want to do
anything like that, but if I'm going to protect my family,
I will. And all of a sudden, I hear from
way back behind the river like that you could grow
to hear it, And I thought, okay, we're okay, okay,
I'm starting to learn what's their aggressive type of stuff
and what's not.
Speaker 3: So that's and that was just last May, five years ago.
In there. I got up one morning to go.
Speaker 1: Down to the river and get some water or coffee,
and right in the middle of the path is about
a three foot high two to three foot high.
Speaker 3: Pile of the leaves that had been raked up.
Speaker 1: And you could see the fingers where the you know,
the fingers that raked all that up into a pile,
and just like you would with a brake.
Speaker 3: So it I was like, what the hell, I kicked
it all out of the way.
Speaker 1: And then when everybody got up out of bed, as
I did any of you, I think it was funny
to raak up some leaves dead and everybody's looking at
each other like what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: And and I already knew, but I had to ask. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that was It seems like every time we've ever
gone to that camp, we get some kind of a
of a.
Speaker 3: You know, interaction of some kind. So uh, that's Uh.
Speaker 1: I've talked to Alexander about you know, what I mean
to really do to really do good. Uh, if you're
gonna want to research or I use that term loosely
what some people call research. But you have to have
a minimum of five million dollars because you're gonna have
to hire people and make that their job.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about people like professional trackers.
Speaker 1: You know, I would I would hire a man tracker,
and I would hire an animal tracker. I would hire
a biologists, I would hire people survivalists. They would go
out literally and I could pay for them to live
out there. That's the only way you're going to be
able to do this.
Speaker 3: Is to literally put people out and make it their
job for at least from from the first snow milt
to the first snowfall.
Speaker 1: That's that's where they're going to live. And so that's
to me, that's the only way you're going to do this.
And I don't care about all these people saying science,
they'll never accept it if we don't bring a body.
I don't give a shit about science. I saw what
I saw, I know what I know. Then they do too.
Speaker 3: I mean I talked to a Federal game board.
Speaker 1: Who had come in our camp just to make sure
there was no fires a couple of years ago, and
he told me, I said, so, you know, they're Sasquatch
in here, and he's like, of course they are. He
wasn't kidding. He goes, we know they're there, and then.
Speaker 3: He told me.
Speaker 1: He says, I'm actually the youngest one in my family
that's a sasquatch investigator.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well that's cool.
Speaker 1: From his mouth to our ears, yes they do exist,
and yes they are here.
Speaker 3: I'm Mount Saint Helen's now.
Speaker 1: That's but I said, so what happens if I say,
you know, John Brown, the forest ranger said, He goes,
number one, I'll deny it.
Speaker 3: And number two he says, we're waiting.
Speaker 1: For you, you people, to bring one in to then we'll
say yes. And I was like, they don't. I don't
want anything to do with it.
Speaker 3: And I don't understand why that that's what he told me.
They're waiting on you. The weekend warrior, Like I said,
came right from his mouth to my ears.
Speaker 1: And I've had coffee with that guy on multiple occasions.
Speaker 3: He'll stop and when he sees it's us, have some coffee. Yeah.
He's a good guy.
Speaker 2: In the area that I used to investigate all the
time and spent the majority of my time in. There
was a park ranger there that was fully aware and
willing to talk to us about everything and what even
let us into areas that were closed down to the
public so we could go snoop around look for tracks
and stuff. But you know, nothing was ever on the
record or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. He's like, off the record, off
the record. I used to be next door neighbors with
a retired federal game warden, Jerry. He's a long past
and he told me, he says, I've never seen one,
he said, but I'm pretty sure they're there, he said,
because I've seen things I can't explain. He said, that's
the best I can do for you. And he told me,
he said that they had some ninety year old woman.
Speaker 5: And this is back in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety three
or four. He told me that they had an old
lady in their church that claims that when she was
a little girl, that she played with.
Speaker 1: Little Sasquatch children. Oh wow, And he says, he says,
you know, that woman is about as honest and perfect
type of person you'll ever meet. And he says, he says,
I don't doubt her in any way, shape or form.
To hear those type of stories from people that are
completely believable. I mean, when somebody can tell me a
story without blinking and I have never reached out to
anyone or anything, just that knew that I had had
an accounter and just wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 3: I believe them. And then there's no ones that I
am so aware of what my brains look like from
just rolling my eyes. When someone starts telling me a
story and you know by the time you got half
a dozen words in there.
Speaker 1: That it's bullshit. I just I'm fascinated with different stories.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the guys I worked with before
I retired, he told me that he had seen one
way back in the eighties.
Speaker 1: We have a place called large Mountain here. There's one
in Oregon too, but back then in the eighties, he
would drive over that. He was working graveguard someplace. He
would drive over that large mountain to get to wherever
he was going. And he said, one night, he said,
this giant thing just walked across the road. He said,
he didn't even look at him or nothing, just walked
across the road as he was coming. He said, the
thing was gigantic and muscular. And I said, well, you know,
he wanted you to see him. That's the thing people
don't understand. If you see them, they wanted you to
see them. That's that's just how it goes. You're not
going to sneak up on one of these things. And
one of the biggest things people do is they try
to fool them. And that's one of the worst things
you can do.
Speaker 3: You can't fool them. I always tell people, keep going
back to the same place. Be natural. Don't these people
start whispering, and shit, what the hell are you whispering for?
Don't have a fire that sasquatch knows. Damn well, you're
a human. You want to have a fire. It's just
crazy that it's that kind of resource that doesn't work.
Speaker 1: And I think that buying all the right equipment, good equipment,
and then having these people go out each person do
not involve television in any way, shape or form. Each
person has a top notch camera gear and a drone.
They're in different areas, and they would be paid to
live doing that.
Speaker 3: Whatever whatever it takes you, you will get your salary
to do.
Speaker 1: This, to be out there and and be put into
places that most people won't go or have been. And
I think that's the only way you're gonna satisfy as
far as I don't care about proven anything, but I
think that as far as research goes, that's what you
need to do.
Speaker 3: You're going to have to do it that way. And
I would not hire one single person that's that's been
on television or has tried to make a book off
of this. I never have. I've never asked for anything.
Speaker 1: This year, I've been for the first time ever in
my life, I've been contacted by.
Speaker 3: This minor group, Pacific Pacific Northwest Miners rally they're having,
and they ask if I would speak about what happened
to us and on the Sasquatch in general. Yeah, I'm
going to It's going to be August.
Speaker 1: Eighth, the ninth, and I'm just very proud to be
asked to do something like this. I'm hoping I can
help people because I've known miners in the past that
encounter them. And one guy that we ran into he's
passed now.
Speaker 3: He was up there.
Speaker 1: We actually camped with him seven years ago. He has
the best picture of a Sasquatch I've ever seen. He
took that in twenty twelve with a with a twelve
pixel phone and he actually had it set on six
pixels and he was walking on the on the road
up there on the eighty one because he had a
place where he was getting rubies, and he says, he,
here's this ruckus. He says, all of a sudden, this
big male sasquatch jumps out on the road. So he's
like he took off running with his dog.
Speaker 3: And he says, and the thing just walked across the road,
and he says, another one jumps out, does the same thing.
Speaker 1: Another one does, he says, and the last one jumped
and grabbed the top of this tree. And that's when
he quickly turned around his snap the photo in it
is the thing swung with the tree onto the road
and he got it as it was standing there before
it let the tree go. And ye oh my god,
it was very badly pixeled, but it still was very clear.
You can see its eyes, you can see its fingers,
you could see its legs and its feet, and how
it was standing, the direction it was standing, and all that.
Speaker 3: Man he he got, he sent that. He told me.
Speaker 1: He says, well, I sent this to a the BFRO
And he says, and this group called the Olympic Project
has sent me a text wanted to see it, and
I was like, he showed me the email that he
sent and the email that he got back. I said,
why would the Olympic project, I said, those guys are
all the way up at the other end of the state.
Speaker 3: And so I asked, I don't know him. I'm not
going to claim to know him. But Derek, when I
was at a squadh fest, I asked him. I said, yeah,
I met I met this guy, and he goes, I've
never never been sent to anything. I don't know anything
about it. So and I trust you know, Derek, I
trust him.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I was just but the guy ended
up dying. But that picture man, that I was just like,
crap man, I would love more than once. I've made
bad mistakes. I should have taken a picture of that myself.
I ran into a guy at Winko Foods when I
was still doing big with barbecue. I was standing there
staring in the meat section. There was like four great
deals of four different kinds of meat, and I was
contemplating which one I wanted to do, and then he
just he's like barbecue, and I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3: We started talking.
Speaker 1: Then I told him my show and all that, and
then he told me we've got him on our property
and my wife feeds him. And you know, I mean,
this was a very very respectful looking.
Speaker 3: Guy.
Speaker 1: I mean he was just telling me. He says, I
don't do anything about it or or with them. I
know they're there, but he says, yes, she'll take them
out gifts and she'll make them things and feed them
and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And you know what, I did nothing. I said, have
a good day. I was like, and I can't believe
I've met this guy. How was that?
Speaker 1: And I didn't get any of his information nothing. That's
been like six years ago.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I've done that more
than I'm just like, oh, what were you thinking?
Speaker 2: No, I've done the exact same thing. In a doctor's office.
I was wearing a bigfoot T shirt and I'm filling
out the entry paperwork and this older guy walks past
me and he's leaving. He's already had his appointment, and
he walks out the door and he stops and he
turns around and comes back and he said, I like
your shirt. I just looked at him and I was like, oh, thanks,
and he goes. He kind of looks around for a minute,
looks at everybody, make sure nobody's listening. He kind of
leans down towards me. He goes, you know, I shot
one when I was twelve. And I looked at him,
you know what a bigfoot? And he said yeah, And
he proceeds to tell me this story from his childhood
locations and everything right where he was at, not too
far from where I live. And as he's telling this story,
you know, I can see in his body language like
he's recollecting the thoughts and everything he's seeing in his head.
His eyes are welling up with tears and everything he is.
His voice starts getting kind of shaky and stuff as
he goes through the events that happen and everything. And
after he was done, I just said, wow, that's that's
an amazing story. Thanks for sharing that with me. And
he's like, I haven't told it to anyone. That was
the first time. And he just walked out. And the
first thing that happened, my wife goes, why didn't you
get his name and phone number? Didn't even think of it? Oh, yeah,
I do a bigfoot podcast, don't I. I was just
so amazed. It was such just a you know a
natural thing, just like one of those moments that you're
not expecting. And I didn't even think for a second
about getting his contact info or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she strives me nuts when I do that. My
doctor is actually she's a physician's assistant, but she takes
good care of me. Her name is Bliss.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say her last name, but just
the name alone would tell you what a kind person
she is. And she she I tell her, you know, look,
I broke down on this stupid show I was on,
and she's like, we got to find a way to
help you with your PTSD. She said, one way is
to stop doing.
Speaker 1: Those and I was like, yep, Well I did stop
doing them, and it kind of got better and better
and better. As far as the sleep goes, I don't
think i'll ever sleep regular again. There's another man that's very,
very very high in the Sashquatch world.
Speaker 3: I mean he told me that he does not He said,
if I tell you this, I don't want you to
ever repeat it, So I'm not going to use his name,
but he said ever since his encounter, he's also been
on sleep medicine for fifteen years. So I was just like, wow,
he thinks it has to do.
Speaker 1: He heard the humming too, and so he thinks that
might have something to do with it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't dream about him. I just can't sleep after
that that night, I can't sleep. So I thoroughly enjoy
listening to people who aren't out there. One kid told
me when I was still working, he has a neighbor
girl somewhere around twenty years old. This is about five
years ago.
Speaker 3: He was telling me. He says, lives out Namboy. That's
real rural too.
Speaker 1: That she left her friend's house and she just had
to walk through a patch of work woods to get
to her house. She says, she gets about halfway through
the woods and something starts following her, so she speeds
up and she gets out and she runs up to
her porch. She turns around and there is a sasquatch
standing twenty feet from her looking at her. And she
goes to open the door, and her boyfriend had it locked,
and so she's apparently banging on the door and when
he opens it, it's is when the thing ran back
in the woods. But he did glimpse it, but she
said that it just stood there and stared at her
and she is such a hardcore Christian that she thinks
it was a gorilla because her God would never make
something like that. I was like, oh my God. I
tried to interview her, but she refused. So there are
people like that that I believe. Tell you tell you things.
I worked with another kid. He was a temporary I
worked four years ago. And I asked him, I said,
because he worked for the Forest Reservice as attempt during
the year. The Force Reservice employees kids till they're like
twenty one or twenty or something like that. So he
had planted trees and things like that for many years,
but now he was the year that he was too old.
Speaker 3: He goes, no, but they make us. When we first
get hired, you have a meeting and they tell you
that if you see tracks, you tell your supervisor. He'll
take a picture, and then you destroy the tracks. And
he just didn't skip a beat. He said that they
they will take certain areas because they want to keep
the big footers out, and they will put fake tracks
in different areas so that the bigfooters don't go into
these certain areas.
Speaker 1: And he said that he told me how they actually
he said they if you see one, you're not supposed
to talk about it. You're supposed to just tell your
supervisor and he'll take care of it. And he said,
and some of the ones that cause problems, they just kill.
And he said there's a place in Florida that they
send the bodies.
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, shit.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't too many years after that that he
saw that Jesse Ventura had a had a show about
conspiracy and all that, and in Florida there is a
place where they do all these experiments and stuff and
you cannot get not even if you're a senator. You
can't get in here into that place. So that's what
made me. I just the guy, it just rolled off
his tongue like.
Speaker 3: It was nothing.
Speaker 1: We're eating lunch and I'm just like, wow, Wow, this
is I knew it was true what he was telling me,
and it made sense. So I've carried that with me too.
I'm like, wow, that's that's amazing. I've filed a few
people about it, and it makes sense.
Speaker 3: To them too. Yeah. I had never heard that.
Speaker 1: No, he was that's here in Washington. We were just
happened to be on launch at the same time. All
I wanted was help. And that's all I'm.
Speaker 3: Hoping I could do for other people is I will
listen to you and gosh, whatever I can do to
help that. There was just nobody that could do that.
Speaker 1: And when it came down to it, who can you
if you go tell your doctor. And the first thing
I happened to us when I went to work and
I told a small group of guys what happened. The
first guy says, well, I sure would like to smoke
what you're smoking. I was like, mother effort, It's got
nothing to do with smoking or drinking. You know, hallucinate
when you're drinking beer and you know. And another guy
he's like, yeah, I'm going to go up there and
see if I can't make a friend. Well, he went
up there by himself, and he said he was so
creaked out that he had to leave. But then he
went back up there and he threw a loaf of
bread on the other side of the creek. And he
came back in the morning and he said there was
a perfect tear in the middle of the bread and
it was brought back onto the other side and he
said there was four pieces missed, no crumbs in there.
From something chewing on it or anything like that.
Speaker 2: How does a loaf of bread get across a creek?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a perfect my tear with four because he
counted the pieces of bread.
Speaker 3: With four pieces gone. It's just I don't know. I
believe also a lot of people would disagree, but that's okay.
I believe that they do know what fire is, and
I believe that when they need it, they know how
to make it.
Speaker 1: I believe these things are not holmost safety and sapien.
I hate even saying things. There are some kind of people.
There are definitely some kind of people. And I think
that when people.
Speaker 3: Go, well, we got to kill one so that we
can save them, save them from what They haven't needed
any protection. Why would they need your protection? It just
doesn't make.
Speaker 2: Sense going into this, Like you know, we had that
conversation and everything about how it seems that possibly other
podcasts have, like you said, just tried to trigger you
to get that rise out of you and be entertainment
or whatever. And so you know, I told you that
I wasn't going to pressure you to do it. It's
up to you.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been completely comfortable with you, Matt, completely.
Speaker 2: Good, good, I decided that I was just going to
let you, you know, tell your story how you wanted
to tell it, and just leave it at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I try to do the best I can.
My wife says, I jump around a lot, and it
might be because of the PTSD that I can't seem
to keep it all in a perfect role. You know,
I do the best I can. Yeah, you did fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, like obviously there's like things that I'm thinking
about about your story, and there might be some questions
that I have for you or whatever. But I'll ask
all those you know, off air and personal messages.
Speaker 3: Anything we talk about you.
Speaker 1: You ever want me to come back on, I'd be
glad to It's it's been a pleasure though talking to you.
I feel very comfortable about talking about it. I mean,
I don't have all the other worries, like what am
I going to do at work? There's a lot of stress.
Speaker 3: Seems like every time this would happen, I'm dealing with
a lot of stress. Yeah, and you know, I mean
I remember when my son got laid.
Speaker 1: Off in my little his little boy he's just he
could he wasn't even walking or anything, you know, And
I I just you know, and then all of a sudden,
I'm going through all this shit. You know, I'm worried
about my son. I'm worried about what grandson. And I
tend to let a lot of things worry me back
in the day, and I don't anymore.
Speaker 3: I just it's not it's not worth the trouble. Uh.
I don't, I don't. I try not to judge people,
but I just want. I think everybody should know that
it's okay to change your mind about anything.
Speaker 2: If you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something else
you can't explain, and you'd like to share your story
on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail
dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com.
You can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise,
everything you need all in one place, and until next time,
remember there's something in the woods.
Speaker 3: Used