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pulled in there, and I just tried to ignore it,

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and it didn't take maybe fifteen minutes. I was sitting

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next to the fire and all of a sudden, I

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hear a foot stomp, and I was just like, oh

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my god. I immediately I said to myself, maybe it's

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an elk, But I knew, I knew. I mean, I

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look down at the ground as I'm sitting there, trying

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to act naturalize, like I know what that is.

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Speaker 2: I guess the best place to start is back at

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the beginning. How did you get interested in all this

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bigfoot stuff?

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Speaker 3: Well, when I was a kid. I didn't realize till

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I was an adult.

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Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, we lived on an

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old homestead Yambula, Oregon, and we were way up on

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a mountain, and one day I saw what I thought

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was a man down at our well was down a slope,

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probably one hundred yards from the house, and I was

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just learning to walk again. I had hip problems as

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a kid, at hip disease, so I was kind of

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just learning to be able to walk independently.

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Speaker 3: At I was around eleven or so, and the grass.

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Speaker 1: Grew super high there, and so I was kind of

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filling the tops of the grass and I looked down

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over the hill and I saw the back of a

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head and slicked back black hair.

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Speaker 3: That was the style back then for men. You know,

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the real cream a little devil, do you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It scared me, so I, you know, hobbled back to

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the house and I told my mom there was a

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man down there at our well. And uh, they went

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and looked, and they were they were upset with me.

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or something because they said there's nobody down there. But

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when I think about it as an adult, I was like, wow,

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there's only one way in and one way out to that.

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To get to that house, we were literally the end

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of a mile drive and.

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Speaker 3: It was one way in, one way out. There was

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you would have had to drive in there.

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Speaker 1: So so I figured that out as an adult, I

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was like, Hell, that must have been a sasquatch.

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Speaker 3: Had to be.

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like conversation when we'd be out playing. Because you know,

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when you're in the country, especially back in the seventies, Uh,

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you didn't have internet you didn't have. You had three

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channels of television, that's all you had. So we spent

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a lot of time out on that property catching snakes

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and things like alligator, lizards and skinks. We'd be yelling,

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get off our land because you could hear like conversation.

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Speaker 3: We were adults that.

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Speaker 1: I had to be sas squashing her because it couldn't

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be humans. Why would there be humans, And they would

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have had to drive all the way from gas and.

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Speaker 3: Then through that you can hear people coming a mile

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away when we'd have guests and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So again that's something I figured out once I became

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Speaker 3: And then I met Will Jebning.

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Speaker 1: We worked at the same company and we were giving

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each other rides home as in one day he says,

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they don't want to tell you something, but you got

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to keep it to yourself.

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Speaker 3: And told me you did big foot stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I had about twenty books in my house on

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that subject, and I told him, yeah, I've been I've

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been fascinated with this for years myself, but I never

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I never We never went looking for him or anything

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like that. Just every once in a while you'd stumble

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on a track that you just'd be like hmm. When

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took us seven hours to climb Vulcan Mountain. And we

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found one track on the top where it overlooked the

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valley and it was.

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it was all granted and it obviously stood. This was

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a right foot, so it obviously stood with the left

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Speaker 1: Boulder that was there and is and the right foot

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was was in that that uh, that mud. We went

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back down the mountain and and uh, they gave us

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a bag of lime since we didn't have anything else.

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in with that line, took the picture. And then the

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guy that ran uh that job corps was Ed Allen.

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Speaker 3: He took our film. Uh, he took our picture and

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didn't give it back. And yeah, this thing was a

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huge print he said, that's nothing more than a shi

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gris up there, and we're you know, I didn't know

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what a grizzly bear track look like, but I know

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what they look like now thanks to the Internet. But

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and a bear track, and that was not a bear track.

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Speaker 1: Know that was you could feel while you were up

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on that mountain too, just that a little bit of

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a sense of look around type of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the whole time when we're walking up that,

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one section, we'd see big horn sheep laying down just

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staring at us. And then you get to a higher

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section and then there's elk just just looking at you.

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because I'd never seen a big horn sheep before. But yeah,

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that was that was just the beginning of that kind

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of stuff. And then you know, meeting Will Jevning. We

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were fast friends for about about almost two years.

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Speaker 3: I mean like real close.

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Speaker 1: But man, we would go out and we would never

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see anything, nothing, not anything, And the very the very

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my wife and I go to what's called the Devil's

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Speaker 3: Somewhere in there spent a lot of years. And then

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Speaker 1: After a while that those were all left feet, so

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it probably had the It was the way that that

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clay and all that stuff, was its left foot was

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basically on the clay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that means it probably was a twenty

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Speaker 3: And if you'd add the right foot and all that.

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Speaker 1: So that was the first We're like wow, man, because

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and I was just worried about, Jesus, where's the mom

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Speaker 3: Because you didn't see any big tracks.

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youngest son was like three, so we're like, let's just

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the camp we were at that. I mean, we never

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had any anything happened in the Devil's Backbone ever. It

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her mom for many, many, many years, so we had

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we decided we would start camping again. So we would

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Speaker 3: But we, uh, we were in the lower camps.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know that there were higher camps, and you

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always had this feeling something was watching you. And then

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one night something went through stuff in our camp. Could

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have it could have been a human being. Because there

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was people out there camping. Uh, but there was beers missing.

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don't think they sasquatch smoking cigarettes and drinking our beer.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you never know. Yeah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, I mean he could

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Speaker 3: But it was at the end of the season.

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we went up there. The big Foot was the last

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weren't looking for sasquatch, When with that first real encounter,

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Speaker 3: And we had we had extra days off. The company

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a creek and all that stuff and off the road,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I immediately I said to myself, maybe it's a nolk,

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like I know what that is.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any idea how many years had passed

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since you were doing bigfoot stuff in that moment?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god? When did we go away from Jamming?

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Speaker 1: Oh God, like ninety I think we pulled away from

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him in ninety three. Or ninety five, so that was

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the last time we'd ever done anything bigfoot wise. We

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had camped up until I think two thousand was the

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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was quite a We quit doing bigfoot anything when

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we splintered away from the Pacific Sasquatch coasts. Something he

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had something from that I don't remember the name. That's

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how important it is to me now I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: But like a good fifteen to twenty years had passed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, a long time. That stomp I made

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's scared to crap at me because I

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know that elk stomp and I've been like standing next

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to buck deer that they're smaller, so I'm just kind

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of aggravating them.

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Speaker 3: They're stomping at me and snorting, and this was real heavy.

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Speaker 1: So I just thought to myself, because most of my

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and arrows are and all that stuff. So I pulled

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Speaker 3: I made sure that it was out where it could

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Speaker 1: I actually held it up and I set it on

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the table that was next to me, and then I

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table too, and I just tried to I looked at

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the fire, and I was just kind of trying to

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act natural, and then it's a stomp happened again. So

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I got up and I grabbed my chair. I did

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everything as calm as I could. Plus I threw two

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whole bundles of wood on the fire, and it was

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going up pretty high. So I walked over to our tent,

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which was several yards away. We like to keep our

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tents way away from the fire. And I sat there

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for about ten or fifteen minutes until I started feeling

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like everything would be okay.

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Speaker 3: So I walked back over.

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Speaker 1: There and I sat down and I just cracked open

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a beer and I heard actual footsteps, like two footsteps,

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loud and clear, and I just I got up without

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I just got up again, and I threw all the

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wood I had on the fire, which I'm so lucky

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I didn't start a forest fire. That was easily.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's like six split logs in a pack

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that you buy, and I had thrown seven of those

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all together on that and the fire was raging.

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Speaker 1: In fact, some of the trees nearby started kind of

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waving back and forth from the energy of the fire.

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Speaker 2: Were you just trying to light the area up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That, and I was hoping to scare them. And so

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they're not afraid of fire, I can tell you that now.

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But I so I went back to the tent and

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I sat there and something caught the corner of my.

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Speaker 3: Eye scared the crap out of me.

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Speaker 1: I look over and here's a jet black cottontail walked

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out of that berry where the berries are.

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Speaker 3: And I was just like, it scared the crap out

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of me.

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Speaker 1: And Doug Hijack told me that when he had his

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encounter that he also saw a black a wild black cottontail.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I was just like, really, what a coincidence?

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It just man, I started my mind started clouding up,

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you know, being afraid and all that stuff. And I've

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only taken like.

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Speaker 1: A sip out of that beer and I set it

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down because I didn't the last thing I wanted to do,

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is if somebody did pull into our camp and I

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could get a ride home or get out of there.

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Speaker 3: Is I didn't want to think I was a ring

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drunk or something like that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I just I just set it on the ground,

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and just before it got dark, it was just just

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getting to the point where you couldn't see very good.

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I went ahead and got in the tent and our lantern.

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She was going to bring fuel the next day, so

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I had like a half of a cylinder and I

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turned that on and left it outside the tent, just

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in the chair, and I laid in there with I

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didn't put no covers on or nothing, and I was

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soaked from the rain would come and then leave. The

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rain would come and then leave, and I just lay

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it in there and kind of covered up a little

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bit with a blanket and just waited. I had my

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gun in one hand and I had my knife in

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the other. And because they started almost as soon as

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I went in the tent, they started this humming thing.

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And the closest thing I can see that it is

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one I got home. After that weekend, I went on

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line and I was looking up all the different animals

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and It sounded like that sound that elephants make, but

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it couldn't have been imps because you can't hear in

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for sound. But it sounded like that, that whole type

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of thing. But it just was steady. Some people like

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Doug Highcheck think that they perr.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I have no idea. All I know

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is that it that humming thing. It just didn't stop,

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and it was I was.

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Speaker 1: In that tent, wet from the rain and also soaking

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wet from sweat and fear. I just I laid in

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there and listened to that and listened to that, and

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I was driving me nuts. But at the same time,

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you know, I had to pee, so I just I held.

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Speaker 3: It, and I held it. I held it. It was dark.

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I finally about I don't know, one or two in

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the morning. It's been ten years now.

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Speaker 1: I opened the tent and I was just going to

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pee out of it, and I look across the camp

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and there's an orb of a good size.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know it was an orb.

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Speaker 1: Then it looked like when a kid takes the wand

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for bubbles and puts it in the big one, the

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big circle, and then does the thing.

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Speaker 3: This looked like a soap bubble.

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Speaker 1: There was about I don't know, sixteen inches long, and

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it was like moving like a soap bubble too.

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Speaker 3: Staying in, I did not dropping or going higher. In

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a steady motion.

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Speaker 1: About three feet off the ground, I could be through it,

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but it had this red tin all the way around it,

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all the way around it, and I could tell it

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was alive. I mean, I was just like you could

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feel that it was alive. I closed the tent back up,

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still didn't get to and I kind of yelled, I

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can't I can't f and handle both of you at

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the same time because the subsquatch thing was just killing me.

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Speaker 3: There was nobody up there that you know.

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Speaker 1: I would have literally got out and walked if there

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was somebody in another camp nearby, but being a Thursday,

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there was nobody there except higher than me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I just and I knew the fight

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or flight thing was completely That's why I just walked

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normal to get back to get in the tent to

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begin with. But yeah, finally, right about man, if I

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can remember correctly, somewhere around five something in the morning,

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it let out a very long.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it because the forest is

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right behind me here where we and this I hunt

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back there and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: So and they are back here. So I'm just not

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going to do that call. But it did a call

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that it was a very aggressive and ended it whether

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you know, this was like sixteen inches sixteen inches sixteen

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seconds long, and I was just laying in the tent

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went oh my god. But it ended with a huah.

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And that's all I'm going to tell you is that.

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But I had never heard anything like that in my life.

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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, and it sounds like a

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big man or something. I was like, maybe it's somebody

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over there screwing with me. But I waited till it

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was daylight and I got out, and the tension, the

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tension when I got out of that that tent with

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daylight was just for me. The way I always try

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to tell the people is when you're in the same

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room with somebody and you're working and you cannot stand them,

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both of you cannot stand each other. That's what it

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felt like. This tension just so thick and and oh

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my god. I looked down there at that beer. First,

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I just stood there and peed I was going to

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pass out if I didn't pee, and then I looked

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down at that beer and I picked it up and

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it was full of like it rained all night, and

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I just kind of yelled over. I was like, I

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don't care, I'm going to drink this beer. And I

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took like four big swigs. It tasted like water and beer,

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you know, yeah, it was, but oh my god, I

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drank that thing all the way down. I was just like, oh,

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but I was soaking wet, and I could smell myself

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from the from all the sweating and stuff. So through

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the last two bundles of wood I had over the

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coals and it started up real nice, and I took

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my clothes off and I burned them. And I don't

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know why, I just I got I'm getting rid of them.

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And so I went ahead and grabbed some fresh clothes,

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and I made some water on the fire in a

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tea kettle, and I kind of I washed my whole

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body with it, and then I put clean clothes on

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because I just I felt just nasty from all that

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sweat and stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's kind of weird.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you feel like you're pinned down like that and

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there's really nothing you can do. And and I had

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literally that night I had gave sent I put a

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message on my phone for my wife to tell her

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that I thought I was going to die that night.

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So I just wanted her to know that I loved

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her and that I would if anything I could do

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to have been a better husband I wish I would

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have done, and how much I loved the boys and

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our grandsons. So uh, and I said, there's a sasquatch

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out there, to not go away.

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Speaker 3: So but in the morning, when I made it, I

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erased the message. I was a little on the embarrassed side.

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But you know, they just the tension lasted until about god,

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i'd say ten am. Nine. At ten am, the.

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Speaker 1: Birds had come over, the what we call camp robbers

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or scrub jays. They'll eat right out of your hand,

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and so they were making all their noise, and I

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was throwing them food and everything, and I just kept

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talking to the other side of the of the creek,

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and you know that, look, I'm a good guy on

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feed these these birds.

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Speaker 3: But they something started imitating the sound of those birds,

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and it wasn't very good. The imitation was awful.

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Speaker 1: From the other side of that creek, and so I

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drive I poured myself a couple offee, and I stood

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there and I just happened to look to my left

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for a second, and there was one standing behind a tree.

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It was red, and I could see it's shoulders, but

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it was behind the tree, so all I saw was

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the shoulders, and I quickly.

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Speaker 3: Looked forward because I didn't want to look that way again.

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Speaker 1: I was drinking my coffee using my perithrio vision, and

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it didn't move.

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Speaker 3: It didn't even move, not in any GUIs shape or

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for me, it didn't. So I h I ran out

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of out of wood. So I decided that I was

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going to walk.

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Speaker 1: Toward toward the toward the road and looked for wood

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because it was just creeping me out.

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Speaker 3: So I did that.

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Speaker 1: When I came back, it was gone. But Alexander Petakov,

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when he was up there, he went over there and

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he stood behind the tree and he asked me, can

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you anything?

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Speaker 3: And I was like no.

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Speaker 1: So then he told me, he says, so this thing

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wasn't as toll as you think it was, because it

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was what was scaring me was it was like the

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shoulders were like eight feet high, and and.

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Speaker 3: He told me, he says, there's a there's an old

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stump back there, just directly behind it. And I was like,

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so he took me back there.

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Speaker 1: I had never ever gone back there throughout the years,

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and sure enough, as I saw it was basically standing

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on that stump. It's the only way I could have

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done that. So it wasn't the giant that I thought

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it was, thank God.

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Speaker 3: But when my wife got there the next day, the

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first thing she said when she got.

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Speaker 1: Out of there the car was I put a beer

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can next to a footprint that was right there in

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the camp, and she noticed it as soon as she

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stepped out of the car.

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Speaker 3: And then she she also noticed something was wrong with me,

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and she asked me what happened? And I just older.

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Speaker 1: So we walked over to the creek and I can't

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believe I had lost I forgot about the creek, and

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I asked her.

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Speaker 3: I was like, this creek, this creek was here. We

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look at her.

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Speaker 1: She's like, of course, and then she said, remember you

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talked about it's so slow moving that our grandson could

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play in it.

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Speaker 3: When they came up a couple days later, we.

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Speaker 1: Looked across and I said, well, was that down tree

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there yesterday? And she's like no, and this tree, I

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could hear them during the night praying it like a

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popsicle stick. When you get down eating a popsicle, most

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people always bend it, break it, and pray it apart.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what it found it like. And so this

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tree was.

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Speaker 1: Got at least thirty feet tall, but it was only

478
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like four inches around, and they they broke it right

479
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:03,480
at ground level and prayed it until it was laying

480
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,799
against the bushes across the trail, and then it was.

481
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:14,599
Speaker 3: Twisted about about fifteen to twenty feet. They twisted it

482
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:16,160
and brought.

483
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: It back in it to like a It would have

484
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,359
been an empty a, but they they grabbed another small

485
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,519
tree uprooted it, I mean small, like a vine maple.

486
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,279
Speaker 3: It was maybe fifteen feet tall, but it was thin,

487
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,240
and they.

488
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: Laid that across that, and it looked like it looked

489
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,359
like some sort of a. I didn't know anything about

490
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,519
their glyphs or anything. I don't even know if they

491
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:50,160
do have those things. It's just that was it looked

492
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,920
to me like it was purposely done. And so I

493
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,480
had a buddy that actually went up there a couple

494
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,480
of weeks later, and he's like he couldn't even snap

495
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:04,200
that tree by using his pulling against his knee, and

496
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,079
he was a big dude. But there was God, there

497
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:11,599
was footprints. My wife and I walked across that creek.

498
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:18,160
There was footprints everywhere, different sizes, and the biggest one

499
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:22,880
was I think probably may have been twenty inches, but.

500
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: There was only one and it.

501
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,839
Speaker 1: Was half sticking out from being on the moss to

502
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,079
the trail. Good size, but there was mostly there were

503
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:40,720
between seven inches to fourteen inches multiple.

504
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: So I my native family always said.

505
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: If they put a tree down, don't cross it, and

506
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:54,279
so we didn't cross it. But when my son got

507
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:57,400
there the following day, we did cross. Me and him

508
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,200
went over there, and boy, that whole area was like

509
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,759
pour up. I mean, trees that were small, trees that

510
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:11,960
were down were picked up and tossed, tossed across the

511
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,359
the trail.

512
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: There was indentse in the ground from where these limbs

513
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,759
and trees had laid for who knows how long, and

514
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,599
they were broken trees, all kinds of stuff. There was

515
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:24,400
a lot of damage back there.

516
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: But my son, he was mad at my wife for

517
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:32,440
we in our family, we don't camp alone and we

518
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,559
don't hunt alone.

519
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,119
Speaker 3: My wife when she got home that when she dropped me.

520
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,079
Speaker 1: Off, told my told my son that that our son

521
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,400
that she had, that I was spending the night up there,

522
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,599
and she's and my son told her, are you going

523
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,920
to go back and get him? Because he didn't like

524
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,680
the idea that we were up I was up there

525
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,359
by myself, but uh yeah, he was. Once he saw

526
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,160
the tracks and everything, he was really kind of upset

527
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,839
with us. So and we had my little grandson up

528
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:00,759
there the day.

529
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: It was the following day that my wife got there,

530
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,880
but the tension.

531
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Went away, and then they started. When my wife got there,

532
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,799
everything changed. They you could hear them back there talking,

533
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,160
but it was like if you live.

534
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,519
Speaker 3: In a neighborhood and your neighbor down the block is

535
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,559
talking with somebody. That's what it sounded like.

536
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:28,359
Speaker 1: And sometimes it sounded like I worked with death Peel

537
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,720
at the company I retired from. It sounded like when

538
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,359
when deaf people are taught trying to talk to you.

539
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: That's what it sounded like back there.

540
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,359
Speaker 1: And my wife and I were sitting as I was

541
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:44,759
telling her everything that happened the night before. We were

542
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,000
sitting there that st to the fire and it was

543
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:56,160
it was probably by thirty. We hear in this raven

544
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,599
circles our camp and on the third circle it stopped

545
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,759
and it hovered, and just below us in the.

546
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:17,119
Speaker 3: Bush, the raven goes and this thing goes from the

547
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,319
bush and probably twenty five feet away from us. Wow.

548
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:22,720
And I was like, oh God.

549
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,119
Speaker 1: I told my wife, I said, Jesus, there's some pissess

550
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,759
right over there. And I think that was their juvenile

551
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,160
but I we never heard any brush cracking, none of

552
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:34,759
that stuff.

553
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,519
Speaker 3: Then that crow or that raven flew away after that too.

554
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,799
We're just sitting there. My wife is enjoying this whole thing.

555
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:44,359
I'm not so much.

556
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:49,839
Speaker 1: I hadn't slept in thirty some hours because all the

557
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,839
shit that went on, so, you know, for me, ugh,

558
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,960
I just was a mess.

559
00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: But so I get up and I walk over take

560
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,079
a pee right by the creek.

561
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,319
Speaker 1: And I'm wearing a bright red hoodie and I'm standing

562
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:12,039
there pee and I look up and this woman's walking

563
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,000
down the path looking at me, and I'm looking at her.

564
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,839
Speaker 3: It's she's far enough away, you know. And I told

565
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:22,880
my wife, great, there's a woman walking down the path.

566
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,240
And she would look down at to make sure that

567
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:27,039
you know that she was not.

568
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,279
Speaker 1: She would look down like you would look down when

569
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,440
you're walking to make sure you don't trip on something,

570
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,279
and then she would look at me, and then pretty

571
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:38,160
soon she got close enough where I was like, I

572
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,599
thought it was a heavy set woman in uh that

573
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:45,880
was layered because of the how the weather was acting,

574
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,200
and I looked like a Caucasian woman to me, a

575
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,720
heavy set Caucasian woman.

576
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,039
Speaker 3: I kept telling my wife, she's got a crazy coat on.

577
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: It's it's I'm seeing flashes of purple, flashes of pink

578
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:01,359
and things like that.

579
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:02,559
Speaker 3: I didn't understand.

580
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: So my wife gets up and just as she gets

581
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,359
up to go over, this thing takes it like a

582
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,319
military left right into the forest, so smooth.

583
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,079
Speaker 3: It was the most smoothest thing I've ever seen. And

584
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:21,680
me being a soldier, I always thought I was pretty

585
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,000
good when I did my left and.

586
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: Left right type of motions when they called the motions.

587
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,079
This thing was the most perfect thing I've ever seen.

588
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:35,720
My wife says she thinks that it wanted us to

589
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,119
at least go across that creek to get away so

590
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,160
that their kid could could get out of that situation

591
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:44,680
it was in.

592
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:50,039
Speaker 3: It was right below us. We didn't.

593
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,039
Speaker 1: I didn't and I didn't even steal at that point.

594
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,680
Didn't think much of it until I realized that that

595
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:03,000
wasn't a woman that I can't describe, you know, one

596
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:07,279
hundred percent the face. Sibylla Irwin was gonna do it

597
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,639
drawing for me when I was talking to her one day.

598
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,719
We've been friends for years, but she I told her,

599
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,719
I said, I can't describe the face because she was

600
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:23,280
probably twenty yards away maybe, but I could see clearly

601
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,239
that it was a woman. The face was, like I said,

602
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,119
it was Caucasian.

603
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,039
Speaker 3: That's what kind of messed with me the most, was

604
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,599
as like Jesus, these things looked just like us, other

605
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,199
than the fact that bigger. It is bigger.

606
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: In the area that just across the creek, there was

607
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,719
a down tree top. It was a cedar tree top

608
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,199
that it was down, and it was stuper thick and

609
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,920
dark right on the other side, and there was limbs

610
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,119
and stuff all over it. That was where they were

611
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,960
using as a hiding place to watch people.

612
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:06,039
Speaker 3: Because my wife, actually this male was.

613
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: Peka boo in her and all she saw was at

614
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,079
one point was the ear, you know, like when you

615
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:15,079
get caught looking at a woman or something and they

616
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,280
look at you and you kind of you do the

617
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,880
best to turn your head quickly.

618
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what this did.

619
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: And it seemed to be like fascinated with her that

620
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:33,280
whole weekend. But later that evening, probably an hour after seeing.

621
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: Her, we hear who just like that. I've spent my

622
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,719
life in the forest and I've never heard a whoop,

623
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,559
and that was the first time in my life and

624
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,039
it was crystal.

625
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,199
Speaker 1: Clear whoops, not like or any of that kind of stuff.

626
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:55,280
It was a whoop, two of them together, and my

627
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,280
wife like again, she's just enjoying this whole thing. And

628
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,239
pretty soon we start hearing from further back there a

629
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:11,000
screaming match, yelling and screaming. Somebody. I'm talking this was

630
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:16,280
a sasquatch doing this. Somebody was getting their ass June

631
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,440
and I'm wondering if it was the male that kept

632
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,519
me up all night, And I don't know for sure

633
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:26,679
that it was a male, but Mitchell Townsend told me

634
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,880
that he had dealt with that same male for years

635
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,320
and years and years, and he thinks maybe somebody shot

636
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,559
at it or something at some point, And that was

637
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,519
that's what I taught too, but well he sure was

638
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:46,920
not aggressive once my wife was there kind of crapy,

639
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:50,360
but you boy, that female they call her the Screamer.

640
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,559
The few people around that know about this family, they

641
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:58,880
refer to her as the Screamer because she's so loud.

642
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: I figured that they were just getting in trouble because.

643
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,079
Speaker 1: I thought whatever was messing with us and messing with

644
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:11,920
me that night was probably like a teenager type of sasquatch,

645
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,480
probably trying to show it's it's you know, bravery or

646
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:22,840
whatever whatever they do. But that I was still on

647
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:27,199
edge that that that weekend, and then I just told

648
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:30,400
her she would get up like before the sun came up,

649
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,880
and she would go out and make coffee and she

650
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,000
would stand there and they would be breaking. Like well,

651
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:41,320
She's like, oh, they're all over over there. They're walking breaking,

652
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,760
breaking sticks and stuff when they walk. And she was

653
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,760
sitting in the car and drink her coffee and listen

654
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,719
to them. I was just like, I don't trust them.

655
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,599
I just don't trust them.

656
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,559
Speaker 3: They're not our furry forest friends, but I just don't

657
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:57,119
trust them.

658
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: And sure enough I went I had and left gifts,

659
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,440
not gifts. I hate that gifting thing. But we had

660
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:14,920
sugarless pastries, so if I left some of those, I

661
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,320
walked across there and I just said out loud, I

662
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,920
apologize for crossing that tree, and I hope you accept this.

663
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:25,480
And so I laid out a bunch of sugarless, no

664
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:28,880
frosting of any kind of pop tarts, and I don't

665
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,039
know if they ever took them or anything like that.

666
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:36,039
Speaker 3: But so we went home, and oh man, it took me.

667
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,599
It took me a month before I could go back

668
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:40,599
out there. I was.

669
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:46,159
Speaker 1: Really affected my sleep. I'm on actual medication to this

670
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,840
day to sleep. And we decided we'd go back, and

671
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,280
my wife baked them a whole bunch of sugarless wild

672
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,800
berry muffins, and we took those up, and we not

673
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,039
only did we cross that tree again, but we walked

674
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:09,159
up the trail and then we walked further and we

675
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,519
started hearing this tapping, and then we started smelling something

676
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:18,280
I never smelled. It was awful. It wasn't dead smell.

677
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:26,480
It smelled like garbage, kitchen garbage. When you open a

678
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:30,519
a say, like a dumpster or something you're gonna throw

679
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,159
away something, somebody had thrown food in there.

680
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:34,119
Speaker 3: That's what it smelled.

681
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: Like, and so we decided just that we'd go ahead

682
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,639
and go back to camp because I was just completely

683
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,880
creeped out. So we went ahead and walked back to camp.

684
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,360
And so we're we have a nice fire, go. We

685
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,199
only went up there to bring that to him, have

686
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,719
some dinner together. My wife and I still do a

687
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,840
lot of We love each other. We've been together forty

688
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,239
four years, so we loved doing stuff together and doing

689
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,559
that kind of stuff. So we, uh, we were eating

690
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,360
some chicken and I was having a beer and she

691
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:07,440
was relaxing by the fire, and I decided I would

692
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,880
make that call that I'm talking about that they did

693
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,159
a month previous, and I did it like three times,

694
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:18,559
and then I did it super aggressive, super loud. And

695
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:22,559
when I when I finished my last time doing it,

696
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:28,719
just as I finished it, this loud stick breaks and

697
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,800
you could hear leaked, I said. I turned around to

698
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,519
my wife and I said, did you hear? And by

699
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:37,840
the time I got that out, it was already on

700
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,440
our side of the creek, just in the tree line,

701
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:46,400
and boy, we both took off. She she had her

702
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:50,679
he's she had a she had a pouch in her chair,

703
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,239
and we had just bought a.

704
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: Chair for me on the way up. So we we run.

705
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: She's got that blanket tangled up in her eggs and

706
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,639
her her hand is stuck in her chair trying to

707
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:08,519
get the car keys. And we get We run to

708
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:11,480
the cars only like fifteen feet away. She gets in

709
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,320
and I get in and as I'm looking at her

710
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,679
and I was like this this was my very words.

711
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:20,320
We get in there, I said, well, are you going

712
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,199
to start this son of a bitch or not? And

713
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,320
she goes, I dropped the keys and I was like,

714
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,199
oh my god. And so it literally she just dropped

715
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,639
them outside the door. I didn't know that. She she

716
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,159
reachs down, got him shut the door again, and I

717
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:41,239
look out there and all I see was like a.

718
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,559
Speaker 3: It was so graceful, like A.

719
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:48,559
Speaker 1: All I see is in this white part of this

720
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,840
tree that's about eight feet high that it has the

721
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:52,519
white bark.

722
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: It went.

723
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,519
Speaker 1: There was white bark and then dark and then light

724
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,000
again because this thing had just passed past me.

725
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god. I could just

726
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,280
see just with the silhouette. This thing was huge, you know,

727
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,159
like it was big, really big. And I was like,

728
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,239
oh my god. So she starts the car and we

729
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,239
forget about. She drives about ten feet and she goes,

730
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,679
should we go ahead and take our stuff?

731
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,039
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, we could throw it in

732
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,519
the back real quick. So she backs back up and

733
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:32,880
I'm looking the whole time. Now I don't see anything.

734
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,119
But we get out and I'm scared to death, man,

735
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,960
and she opens the trunk and I was like, I

736
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,880
thought we were throwing this shit in the back seat,

737
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,880
not going all the way back to the trunk. Yeah,

738
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,719
Oh my god, Oh my god, she's got I had

739
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,320
the uh this thing. It was like a go pro

740
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,639
that my kids had bought me for Christmas. I had

741
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:58,480
it in my hand and I told her before we

742
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:01,920
got out, I said, don't turn it off the car.

743
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,480
We get out and she gets her chair of minds further.

744
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,119
I'm holding I've got that thing in my hand and

745
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,800
I'm holding onto the car and I reach and I stretch,

746
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,119
and I stretch and I stretch, and I get one

747
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,119
finger on that chair and it had a bottle of

748
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:17,800
water on it.

749
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: And I start pulling that to me and.

750
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,639
Speaker 1: She's so I'm like, I don't know how to hold this.

751
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: She grabs it.

752
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: Women can do anything, you know. It's just bizarre to me.

753
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,360
How they can figure something out we just can't do.

754
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,440
She folded that up real quick, and then she starts

755
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,679
stumping the water on the fire, and I said, what

756
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:41,760
the help are you doing. Let's get out of here.

757
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:46,000
And so we we get back in the car, and

758
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:48,400
I'll tell you we got to the end. It's about

759
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:52,280
it's about a sixty or seventy yard it could be

760
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,440
a little less, could be a little more to drive

761
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,800
out to the main forest road. We stopped as soon

762
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,119
as we've got past those boulders, and her purse was

763
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:06,559
wrapped in her legs, and we were both having a

764
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:12,679
panic attack and coughing and all that stuff, and laughing hysterically.

765
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,519
And it wasn't because we thought anything was funny. That's

766
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:18,800
the first time I'd ever had I don't know whether

767
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,679
what you would call it hysteria.

768
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: Or yeah, hysteric.

769
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 3: I just I couldn't stop laughing. I couldn't stop coughing.

770
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: I was shaking, and my poor wife, you know, she'd

771
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,280
finally had gotten her legs untangled and all that stuff,

772
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,480
and we calmed down a little bit and then we

773
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:41,400
just pulled out and I looked back and I just

774
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,440
watching that fire and hoping that it would step out

775
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,880
so I could actually see it, and it didn't, and

776
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,719
we lived.

777
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: We didn't even talk on the way home. We didn't

778
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,000
say two words to each other.

779
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,079
Speaker 1: And we got home and I told my neighbor, who

780
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,679
is an avid hunter, and I said, we just got

781
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,440
chased by a sasquatch.

782
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 3: Man and oh, yeah, good for you type of thing.

783
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,719
It was just like, who do you tell? I mean?

784
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,800
I was I was in a I was a mess.

785
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:12,320
I thought this thing was going to murder my wife.

786
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh yeah, but she told me, she goes, no, No,

787
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,280
you were my hero. You did not You did not

788
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,719
get in the car until I was safely in the car.

789
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,719
Because it's just a blur to me, that particular part

790
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,679
of it.

791
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: It's kind of a.

792
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: Blur, and it's kind of like the the night that

793
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:37,039
I had, you know, was by myself. I know that

794
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,960
I'm missing a little bit of time, but I wasn't

795
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:44,840
hurt or anything, and I just I just felt that

796
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,039
that something happened in time. And since I don't feel

797
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:53,480
like I was violated or any of that kind of stuff. Uh,

798
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,480
there's been more than one person who's told me you

799
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,400
got to go get hypnotized.

800
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,159
Speaker 3: I don't want to be hypnotized. I don't want want

801
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:03,320
to know. I you know, I just don't want to know.

802
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if people always want me to

803
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,400
give him an excuse why, I just don't want to know.

804
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 3: If I didn't feel violated. So I don't know what.

805
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:15,599
I don't want to know. Maybe I fell asleep actually

806
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,519
and didn't know it. I don't know, but it was

807
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,239
pretty traumatic. And then, you know, when we got home,

808
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,079
we both sat outside and we finally started to talk

809
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,400
about it. You know, we must have smoked a package

810
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,360
cigarettes eight hour and a half.

811
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: Jesus, I haven't touched tobacco in eight and a half years,

812
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:41,599
but back then, jeez, it was. I had to go

813
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:46,800
back to work on Tuesday, and we decided we we

814
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,840
would try to find help somehow. So I sent doctor

815
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,320
Meltram a message, never heard anything back from him. Sat

816
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,159
Cliff Brockman like four messages, never heard back from him. Well,

817
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,639
like this was going to be if we could get

818
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,559
somebody up there that was some kind of a professional,

819
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,039
because we were not looking for Sasquatch. We went up

820
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:17,599
on that original trip to pan for gold and just hike.

821
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: Around and have fun.

822
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,639
Speaker 1: It's been so many years, you know, but I never

823
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,559
heard from any of those people, and so I just

824
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:33,280
I was so messed up I couldn't sleep. I reached

825
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,079
out to West Germer, and he's about as kind of

826
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:41,000
a person as you'll ever meet. He's very kind, and

827
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:44,920
I to take this opportunity right now to apologize to

828
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,800
him on air. I got caught up in a wrong circle.

829
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,679
And I don't care if his what anyway he thinks,

830
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,199
whether his encounters were real or not. You know, he

831
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,000
was a very very good to me, very soothing to me.

832
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:04,760
It was the first person to help me. So I

833
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,960
just apologized Wes for getting on that side and saying

834
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,679
shit about you that I don't even know, had no

835
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,920
business even seeing. And so I just let that go

836
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,079
to West. I went to work, and then I started

837
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:22,760
having a PTSD.

838
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: Here.

839
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: I would be at work and I was a very

840
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,000
low level manager. I basically took care of a small cell,

841
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:34,920
but I was a robot welder, and boy, I would

842
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,400
find myself bursting into tears for no just just out

843
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,800
of the blue, and so I would just tell people

844
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:48,119
that I was arc flashed or something like that, because

845
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:53,880
it was I was really struggling, and I I would

846
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,320
it would happen at home too, and my wife would

847
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,639
do the best you could to to try to make

848
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,480
things better. There was nobody I could you could go to.

849
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,159
And and so I met Sabyla Irwin and was she

850
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:12,360
She was the first person that literally just by talking

851
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,199
to me, we had done the uh FaceTime a couple

852
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,360
of times and and uh she was a very very

853
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,320
good person. She told me about other people that she

854
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:29,599
counseled and helped after a encounter, and uh, so that

855
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:34,719
that got me on a good way. It's trying to

856
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,840
be a husband, a boss, trying to do your job,

857
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,960
trying to be a grandpa and not not burst into tears.

858
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

859
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: But it just what happened. It would happened when I

860
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,760
would do shows too. It would be sometimes it wouldn't,

861
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,159
sometimes it would. And I had done so many in

862
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,480
a row I started telling people, no, I don't want

863
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:58,039
to do it. I wouldn't have done your show a

864
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:02,880
year ago. But after meeting the Browns, they recommended I do.

865
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:07,039
So I trust them so and I trust you. You

866
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:11,199
and I have already talked. So the thing.

867
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:13,559
Speaker 3: Was, it seemed like a lot of these shows.

868
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: Just wanted to get the triggered part of me out

869
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:21,559
and so I don't cry about this shit anymore. It happened,

870
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:23,280
everybody's okay.

871
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:28,679
Speaker 3: So but back then the PTSD was was just killing me.

872
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:34,760
And so my doctor I just decided one day because

873
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,039
I needed the sleep meds.

874
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: She wanted to know why I wasn't sleeping, and so

875
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:48,400
I told her and everything, and by the time I

876
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,840
got done, she just looks at me and she goes, wow,

877
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:57,800
that that is a very traumatic and the hair on

878
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,559
her arms was sticking straight up. She believed it one

879
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:06,800
hundred percent. I was just, who do you go to?

880
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,679
There's so ready to go to. There might be now,

881
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,000
but there wasn't back then.

882
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,639
Speaker 3: And so she went.

883
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:16,079
Speaker 1: Ahead and put me on this sleep medication that I

884
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:19,719
am on today on this very day. It's a narcotic.

885
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,880
I just can't sleep, and it's even worse when I

886
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,400
go to the forest. But I will never stop going

887
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:31,639
to the forest. We've been having encounters now on a

888
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:37,480
regular basis in Scamania County, and but three years ago,

889
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,320
about two years ago, we were up where we had

890
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:47,039
our encounter, but just the camp before that, and we

891
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,400
were talking to a young couple there. He was a

892
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,840
guy was playing his guitar and we were talking about sasquatching,

893
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,119
the different noises they make.

894
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,199
Speaker 3: And I'll be damned if just barely got done. This

895
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,239
guy's playing to get tar.

896
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: That they they went off, probably fifty feet on the

897
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,159
other side of the road in the bush. They went off,

898
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,519
they went, they did this vocal and they did. They

899
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:16,480
kept it up for god, almost a minute, and these

900
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:19,280
this young couples looking at us and they're like, I've

901
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,320
never never heard this before, and it's just I was

902
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,159
just like wow. And it just stopped and that was it.

903
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,480
Didn't hear him again. Then I had some people come

904
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:38,559
up a couple of years back or UH. I invited Thomas.

905
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,639
Speaker 3: Steinberg and and uh Brent Dill and a couple of

906
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:48,559
people from throughout the United States and Canada, and I

907
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:51,920
my buddy that showed up from UH.

908
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,639
Speaker 1: He drove my one friend drove all away from Minnesota, Wow, Dakota,

909
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,559
he drove all away from and he got there about

910
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,119
two thirds in the morning. And I just happened to

911
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:05,880
be up, of course, and he just yells out of

912
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,480
his window. Because we have a thing we call Operation

913
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,880
Red Tent, an Operation green tent, and that is we'll

914
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,920
go to a camp that we want days early and

915
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,079
set up beast tents, red tent and a green tent,

916
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:21,360
so whenever we're talking to somebody, we get we coded.

917
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,639
As you know, operation red Tent is a go type

918
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:30,559
of thing. So but anyway, by daylight, I took him

919
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:33,119
to the other camp and showed him these other all

920
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:35,639
these other camps, and I'll be damned if we didn't

921
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:39,360
find one of the best footprints I've ever ever seen

922
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,639
in my life. And we covered that up immediately because

923
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:45,639
Thomas and Brent and all the other people hadn't got

924
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:46,199
there yet.

925
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: So as soon as Thomas got.

926
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: There, we went ahead and walked him to it, uncovered it,

927
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,880
and he got down on his stomach with this. He's

928
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,119
got a backpack full of stuff to to look at

929
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,079
tracks and airs and all that stuff. He spent a

930
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,280
good half hour or so down going from top to

931
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,840
bottom on that print, and he said, this is a

932
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,480
real print. And here's a good thing about this was

933
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,119
two days before there was people camping over there.

934
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: They left because it poured down rain.

935
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: It poured, and when you're up on that mountain when

936
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:28,800
it rains, it pours and so it poured rain and

937
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,880
then we had sunshine.

938
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: Then it poured rain, and then we had sunshine. And

939
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:37,400
so that track was fresh because.

940
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: It would have been washed away if by the rain,

941
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,559
if it wasn't fresh. And so it literally, it literally

942
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:47,760
had came up from the creek which is the old

943
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,400
Klamor River. It's basically at the start of the Clamor River.

944
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:55,079
So that yeah, and Thomas, he was just like, this

945
00:54:55,159 --> 00:54:56,719
is one of the best prints I've ever seen.

946
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: I believe I sent that to you. Yeah. I took

947
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:07,400
my grandson back behind here hunting last year and we

948
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:10,079
got back. There was about five in the morning, still dark,

949
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:16,800
and the sasquat slaps a tree and screams, but.

950
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with us. I could feel

951
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,800
that they had nothing to do with us. It was

952
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,880
far enough away too, And then then another one screamed

953
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,440
back to it and it wasn't aggressive it anyway. But

954
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:32,199
my poor grandson I had. This didn't bother me at all.

955
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,760
But oh my god, that was all she wrote for him.

956
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,679
He was like, I need to sit down, Papa, And

957
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:38,679
I'm like, okay.

958
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: He was eleven, I believe eleven or twelve, and.

959
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: I let him sit down for a bit, and I

960
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,199
didn't realize it was because of that Sasquat doing that.

961
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,760
So he got up and I said, well, let's walk

962
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,239
out here on this Civil Forest Service road and we'll

963
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,719
go down to the left. And I kept looking back

964
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,000
and I'm like, why are you so we're behind Papa,

965
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,719
And finally I was like, do you want to go

966
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,239
back home to, you know, me and MoMA's house.

967
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:12,039
Speaker 3: He's like yeah. So then when we get out, he

968
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:13,320
stayed in front of me too.

969
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,199
Speaker 1: We get back and he tells me, I'm sorry, Papa,

970
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,280
but my legs were shaken so bad I couldn't stand

971
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:21,960
up anymore.

972
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 3: And I was like, it's all right, you know.

973
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,119
Speaker 1: And then he's like, and I was so scared when

974
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,639
we were walking back there, and I was like, I

975
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:31,199
was like, it was Sasquats.

976
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm sorry.

977
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: That's all he talked about is how scared he was

978
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,159
and how he couldn't make his legs work. And I've

979
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:44,519
had that fear only once in my life, so that's

980
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:46,679
just I felt like, oh my god.

981
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 3: I felt awful for him.

982
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: But you know, later in the late season, his dad

983
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,320
brought him our youngest son brought him back there and

984
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,840
they weren't there ten minutes and came back.

985
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 3: And my son's like, yeah, he's ruined.

986
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: He's kind of goo back. So you know, it's just

987
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,519
both of my boys. Our boys have experienced Sasquatch stuff

988
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:12,119
and all that. But this particular camp that we call

989
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:16,599
the Father's Day Camp, we go there every year. It

990
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:21,639
started out as the boys took me there for Father's Day. Well,

991
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,199
that was the first camp ship I'd had in fifteen years,

992
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,360
was that took me up there for Father's Day.

993
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 3: And the next one was with my wife.

994
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: But those Sasquats there, they don't They're almost like have

995
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:40,599
a sense of humor or something. You can camp on

996
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:43,239
either side of that road. Yeah, one that you got

997
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,320
to four will drive in, which is my favorite one.

998
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:48,880
But you could go either side of the road, and

999
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,920
I'll tell you they've thrown pebbles and made sure that

1000
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:55,840
we knew they were there, thrown pebbles.

1001
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: I would already be in bed.

1002
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,719
Speaker 1: My wife, she said as soon as that first rock

1003
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,280
came down, just pebbles.

1004
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:06,679
Speaker 3: She was like, I just I got up. She doesn't

1005
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,159
play around after we got chased. She doesn't play around

1006
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,280
at all. None, of the sounds, none of that stuff.

1007
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,119
Speaker 1: She'll she'll just get in the car and go home

1008
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:21,440
with people start doing calls and stuff like that. So, yeah,

1009
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,599
she came and got in bed, and the next day

1010
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,920
they're telling us both of both of our boys were

1011
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,880
like trying to get it to come out and have

1012
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,599
a drink with them, and you know, come out and

1013
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,320
will feed you and all that stuff, because they said

1014
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:41,320
it absolutely other than they couldn't see it. It definitely

1015
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,119
was making plenty of noise and had a great time

1016
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,960
throwing the pebbles and bouncing them off the rocks and stuff.

1017
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,559
Speaker 3: So it was that was probably four years ago.

1018
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: And then you could hear them up on the road

1019
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:00,960
in the In the Father's Day camp last year, last

1020
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:05,039
camping season in May, we were there and my wife

1021
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:13,079
told me that during the night, something walked and ran

1022
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:18,280
its finger across her side of the tent during the

1023
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,440
middle of the night, and she said, and I could

1024
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:26,639
hear it was two feet And the next night, you know,

1025
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:31,039
I'm laying there because of my piss pore sleeping, I'm

1026
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:34,440
laying there and it's about two o'cle's right around around

1027
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:40,039
one or two. My son and our oldest grandson. We're

1028
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:43,559
having a good time at the fire. We were playing guitars,

1029
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:47,239
and by the time they got done and went to bed,

1030
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,880
it was maybe ten minutes after they had gone to bed,

1031
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:55,960
I hear this, and I was like, oh, man, because

1032
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,079
it was right up on the road above our camp,

1033
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:03,719
and that's real close to the Pacific Press Trail too.

1034
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:09,239
So I put my phone inside my sleeping bag and

1035
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,480
I turn it on so I can see the time.

1036
01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:15,519
Speaker 3: And then I reached underneath my cot and grab.

1037
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: My my forty five long judge and I put it inside.

1038
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,320
So I'm just because I've got the creeps, you know,

1039
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,519
I've got that where the hair stands up on the

1040
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:29,480
back of your neck type of thing going on.

1041
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: A couple of minutes later, I hear again, and so

1042
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,719
I'm just laying there. I'm just waiting.

1043
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,079
Speaker 1: I'm like, I will shoot the son of a bits

1044
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:44,639
and he comes, I will. I don't want to do

1045
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,039
anything like that, but if I'm going to protect my family,

1046
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:51,719
I will. And all of a sudden, I hear from

1047
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:57,079
way back behind the river like that you could grow

1048
01:00:57,159 --> 01:01:00,719
to hear it, And I thought, okay, we're okay, okay,

1049
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,679
I'm starting to learn what's their aggressive type of stuff

1050
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:06,320
and what's not.

1051
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: So that's and that was just last May, five years ago.

1052
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,639
In there. I got up one morning to go.

1053
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: Down to the river and get some water or coffee,

1054
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,079
and right in the middle of the path is about

1055
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:31,880
a three foot high two to three foot high.

1056
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 3: Pile of the leaves that had been raked up.

1057
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:37,559
Speaker 1: And you could see the fingers where the you know,

1058
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:39,760
the fingers that raked all that up into a pile,

1059
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,679
and just like you would with a brake.

1060
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:48,719
Speaker 3: So it I was like, what the hell, I kicked

1061
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:49,599
it all out of the way.

1062
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: And then when everybody got up out of bed, as

1063
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,039
I did any of you, I think it was funny

1064
01:01:56,039 --> 01:02:01,079
to raak up some leaves dead and everybody's looking at

1065
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:02,440
each other like what are you talking about?

1066
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,519
Speaker 3: And and I already knew, but I had to ask. Yeah.

1067
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,199
Speaker 1: So that was It seems like every time we've ever

1068
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,079
gone to that camp, we get some kind of a

1069
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,960
of a.

1070
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:20,679
Speaker 3: You know, interaction of some kind. So uh, that's Uh.

1071
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,039
Speaker 1: I've talked to Alexander about you know, what I mean

1072
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:30,760
to really do to really do good. Uh, if you're

1073
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,880
gonna want to research or I use that term loosely

1074
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:39,199
what some people call research. But you have to have

1075
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:43,880
a minimum of five million dollars because you're gonna have

1076
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,559
to hire people and make that their job.

1077
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:55,039
Speaker 3: I'm talking about people like professional trackers.

1078
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: You know, I would I would hire a man tracker,

1079
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,679
and I would hire an animal tracker. I would hire

1080
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:08,880
a biologists, I would hire people survivalists. They would go

1081
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,639
out literally and I could pay for them to live

1082
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,480
out there. That's the only way you're going to be

1083
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,440
able to do this.

1084
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,519
Speaker 3: Is to literally put people out and make it their

1085
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:26,159
job for at least from from the first snow milt

1086
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,760
to the first snowfall.

1087
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:32,199
Speaker 1: That's that's where they're going to live. And so that's

1088
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:35,719
to me, that's the only way you're going to do this.

1089
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,639
And I don't care about all these people saying science,

1090
01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:42,000
they'll never accept it if we don't bring a body.

1091
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,679
I don't give a shit about science. I saw what

1092
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:50,159
I saw, I know what I know. Then they do too.

1093
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: I mean I talked to a Federal game board.

1094
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:57,159
Speaker 1: Who had come in our camp just to make sure

1095
01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:01,480
there was no fires a couple of years ago, and

1096
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:05,760
he told me, I said, so, you know, they're Sasquatch

1097
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,960
in here, and he's like, of course they are. He

1098
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:12,320
wasn't kidding. He goes, we know they're there, and then.

1099
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:12,559
Speaker 3: He told me.

1100
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: He says, I'm actually the youngest one in my family

1101
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,360
that's a sasquatch investigator.

1102
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,159
Speaker 3: And I was like, well that's cool.

1103
01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: From his mouth to our ears, yes they do exist,

1104
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:24,679
and yes they are here.

1105
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:26,679
Speaker 3: I'm Mount Saint Helen's now.

1106
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: That's but I said, so what happens if I say,

1107
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,719
you know, John Brown, the forest ranger said, He goes,

1108
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,039
number one, I'll deny it.

1109
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,079
Speaker 3: And number two he says, we're waiting.

1110
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: For you, you people, to bring one in to then we'll

1111
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,880
say yes. And I was like, they don't. I don't

1112
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,039
want anything to do with it.

1113
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 3: And I don't understand why that that's what he told me.

1114
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:56,480
They're waiting on you. The weekend warrior, Like I said,

1115
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,960
came right from his mouth to my ears.

1116
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,159
Speaker 1: And I've had coffee with that guy on multiple occasions.

1117
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 3: He'll stop and when he sees it's us, have some coffee. Yeah.

1118
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:08,960
He's a good guy.

1119
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: In the area that I used to investigate all the

1120
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,239
time and spent the majority of my time in. There

1121
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,039
was a park ranger there that was fully aware and

1122
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:23,159
willing to talk to us about everything and what even

1123
01:05:23,239 --> 01:05:25,119
let us into areas that were closed down to the

1124
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:28,000
public so we could go snoop around look for tracks

1125
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,960
and stuff. But you know, nothing was ever on the

1126
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:31,960
record or anything.

1127
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:36,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. He's like, off the record, off

1128
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:39,199
the record. I used to be next door neighbors with

1129
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:45,599
a retired federal game warden, Jerry. He's a long past

1130
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,920
and he told me, he says, I've never seen one,

1131
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,719
he said, but I'm pretty sure they're there, he said,

1132
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:57,000
because I've seen things I can't explain. He said, that's

1133
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,639
the best I can do for you. And he told me,

1134
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:03,039
he said that they had some ninety year old woman.

1135
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:11,119
Speaker 5: And this is back in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety three

1136
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,239
or four. He told me that they had an old

1137
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,519
lady in their church that claims that when she was

1138
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,719
a little girl, that she played with.

1139
01:06:22,239 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: Little Sasquatch children. Oh wow, And he says, he says,

1140
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:33,760
you know, that woman is about as honest and perfect

1141
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,480
type of person you'll ever meet. And he says, he says,

1142
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:40,079
I don't doubt her in any way, shape or form.

1143
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,760
To hear those type of stories from people that are

1144
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,159
completely believable. I mean, when somebody can tell me a

1145
01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:53,079
story without blinking and I have never reached out to

1146
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:56,039
anyone or anything, just that knew that I had had

1147
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:57,960
an accounter and just wanted to talk to me.

1148
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: I believe them. And then there's no ones that I

1149
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,239
am so aware of what my brains look like from

1150
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:09,880
just rolling my eyes. When someone starts telling me a

1151
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,320
story and you know by the time you got half

1152
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,679
a dozen words in there.

1153
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:19,639
Speaker 1: That it's bullshit. I just I'm fascinated with different stories.

1154
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:21,639
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the guys I worked with before

1155
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:25,440
I retired, he told me that he had seen one

1156
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:26,800
way back in the eighties.

1157
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: We have a place called large Mountain here. There's one

1158
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,719
in Oregon too, but back then in the eighties, he

1159
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,440
would drive over that. He was working graveguard someplace. He

1160
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,480
would drive over that large mountain to get to wherever

1161
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:45,519
he was going. And he said, one night, he said,

1162
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:48,719
this giant thing just walked across the road. He said,

1163
01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:51,800
he didn't even look at him or nothing, just walked

1164
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,719
across the road as he was coming. He said, the

1165
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,559
thing was gigantic and muscular. And I said, well, you know,

1166
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:03,199
he wanted you to see him. That's the thing people

1167
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:06,480
don't understand. If you see them, they wanted you to

1168
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,880
see them. That's that's just how it goes. You're not

1169
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,400
going to sneak up on one of these things. And

1170
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,359
one of the biggest things people do is they try

1171
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,600
to fool them. And that's one of the worst things

1172
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:21,000
you can do.

1173
01:08:21,119 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 3: You can't fool them. I always tell people, keep going

1174
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,680
back to the same place. Be natural. Don't these people

1175
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,800
start whispering, and shit, what the hell are you whispering for?

1176
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:36,399
Don't have a fire that sasquatch knows. Damn well, you're

1177
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:39,680
a human. You want to have a fire. It's just

1178
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,359
crazy that it's that kind of resource that doesn't work.

1179
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: And I think that buying all the right equipment, good equipment,

1180
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:51,159
and then having these people go out each person do

1181
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,680
not involve television in any way, shape or form. Each

1182
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,279
person has a top notch camera gear and a drone.

1183
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,920
They're in different areas, and they would be paid to

1184
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:04,359
live doing that.

1185
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: Whatever whatever it takes you, you will get your salary

1186
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:10,640
to do.

1187
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,279
Speaker 1: This, to be out there and and be put into

1188
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:17,079
places that most people won't go or have been. And

1189
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:20,039
I think that's the only way you're gonna satisfy as

1190
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:25,800
far as I don't care about proven anything, but I

1191
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,319
think that as far as research goes, that's what you

1192
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:28,880
need to do.

1193
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 3: You're going to have to do it that way. And

1194
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,199
I would not hire one single person that's that's been

1195
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:39,039
on television or has tried to make a book off

1196
01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:42,199
of this. I never have. I've never asked for anything.

1197
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: This year, I've been for the first time ever in

1198
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,039
my life, I've been contacted by.

1199
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:56,039
Speaker 3: This minor group, Pacific Pacific Northwest Miners rally they're having,

1200
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,000
and they ask if I would speak about what happened

1201
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:03,079
to us and on the Sasquatch in general. Yeah, I'm

1202
01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:06,279
going to It's going to be August.

1203
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: Eighth, the ninth, and I'm just very proud to be

1204
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,119
asked to do something like this. I'm hoping I can

1205
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:18,920
help people because I've known miners in the past that

1206
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:24,279
encounter them. And one guy that we ran into he's

1207
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:25,000
passed now.

1208
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:27,159
Speaker 3: He was up there.

1209
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 1: We actually camped with him seven years ago. He has

1210
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:36,760
the best picture of a Sasquatch I've ever seen. He

1211
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,920
took that in twenty twelve with a with a twelve

1212
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,520
pixel phone and he actually had it set on six

1213
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,359
pixels and he was walking on the on the road

1214
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,720
up there on the eighty one because he had a

1215
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,199
place where he was getting rubies, and he says, he,

1216
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,119
here's this ruckus. He says, all of a sudden, this

1217
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,039
big male sasquatch jumps out on the road. So he's

1218
01:11:01,079 --> 01:11:03,560
like he took off running with his dog.

1219
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:06,399
Speaker 3: And he says, and the thing just walked across the road,

1220
01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:09,760
and he says, another one jumps out, does the same thing.

1221
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 1: Another one does, he says, and the last one jumped

1222
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,720
and grabbed the top of this tree. And that's when

1223
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,319
he quickly turned around his snap the photo in it

1224
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:24,520
is the thing swung with the tree onto the road

1225
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,720
and he got it as it was standing there before

1226
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,880
it let the tree go. And ye oh my god,

1227
01:11:31,399 --> 01:11:36,439
it was very badly pixeled, but it still was very clear.

1228
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:39,359
You can see its eyes, you can see its fingers,

1229
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,239
you could see its legs and its feet, and how

1230
01:11:42,279 --> 01:11:45,439
it was standing, the direction it was standing, and all that.

1231
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 3: Man he he got, he sent that. He told me.

1232
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: He says, well, I sent this to a the BFRO

1233
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,199
And he says, and this group called the Olympic Project

1234
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,359
has sent me a text wanted to see it, and

1235
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:08,079
I was like, he showed me the email that he

1236
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,079
sent and the email that he got back. I said,

1237
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:13,640
why would the Olympic project, I said, those guys are

1238
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,159
all the way up at the other end of the state.

1239
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 3: And so I asked, I don't know him. I'm not

1240
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:24,479
going to claim to know him. But Derek, when I

1241
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,520
was at a squadh fest, I asked him. I said, yeah,

1242
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,039
I met I met this guy, and he goes, I've

1243
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:34,279
never never been sent to anything. I don't know anything

1244
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:36,880
about it. So and I trust you know, Derek, I

1245
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:37,479
trust him.

1246
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:42,199
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I was just but the guy ended

1247
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:45,640
up dying. But that picture man, that I was just like,

1248
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,159
crap man, I would love more than once. I've made

1249
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:53,439
bad mistakes. I should have taken a picture of that myself.

1250
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,239
I ran into a guy at Winko Foods when I

1251
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:02,880
was still doing big with barbecue. I was standing there

1252
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,399
staring in the meat section. There was like four great

1253
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,079
deals of four different kinds of meat, and I was

1254
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:11,439
contemplating which one I wanted to do, and then he

1255
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,720
just he's like barbecue, and I was like, yeah.

1256
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:15,239
Speaker 3: We started talking.

1257
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: Then I told him my show and all that, and

1258
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:21,279
then he told me we've got him on our property

1259
01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:24,720
and my wife feeds him. And you know, I mean,

1260
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,600
this was a very very respectful looking.

1261
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:30,319
Speaker 3: Guy.

1262
01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean he was just telling me. He says, I

1263
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,319
don't do anything about it or or with them. I

1264
01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:36,840
know they're there, but he says, yes, she'll take them

1265
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:41,039
out gifts and she'll make them things and feed them

1266
01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:41,920
and all that stuff.

1267
01:13:42,119 --> 01:13:45,159
Speaker 3: And you know what, I did nothing. I said, have

1268
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:48,279
a good day. I was like, and I can't believe

1269
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:49,800
I've met this guy. How was that?

1270
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: And I didn't get any of his information nothing. That's

1271
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,319
been like six years ago.

1272
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I've done that more

1273
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,520
than I'm just like, oh, what were you thinking?

1274
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 2: No, I've done the exact same thing. In a doctor's office.

1275
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,079
I was wearing a bigfoot T shirt and I'm filling

1276
01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:17,359
out the entry paperwork and this older guy walks past

1277
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,239
me and he's leaving. He's already had his appointment, and

1278
01:14:22,039 --> 01:14:24,000
he walks out the door and he stops and he

1279
01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:26,680
turns around and comes back and he said, I like

1280
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,760
your shirt. I just looked at him and I was like, oh, thanks,

1281
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:34,279
and he goes. He kind of looks around for a minute,

1282
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:38,119
looks at everybody, make sure nobody's listening. He kind of

1283
01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:41,239
leans down towards me. He goes, you know, I shot

1284
01:14:41,279 --> 01:14:44,960
one when I was twelve. And I looked at him,

1285
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,760
you know what a bigfoot? And he said yeah, And

1286
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,880
he proceeds to tell me this story from his childhood

1287
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:58,199
locations and everything right where he was at, not too

1288
01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:02,079
far from where I live. And as he's telling this story,

1289
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:05,119
you know, I can see in his body language like

1290
01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:08,199
he's recollecting the thoughts and everything he's seeing in his head.

1291
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:12,000
His eyes are welling up with tears and everything he is.

1292
01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:14,560
His voice starts getting kind of shaky and stuff as

1293
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,000
he goes through the events that happen and everything. And

1294
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,199
after he was done, I just said, wow, that's that's

1295
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:24,600
an amazing story. Thanks for sharing that with me. And

1296
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,399
he's like, I haven't told it to anyone. That was

1297
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:33,439
the first time. And he just walked out. And the

1298
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,239
first thing that happened, my wife goes, why didn't you

1299
01:15:36,279 --> 01:15:40,800
get his name and phone number? Didn't even think of it? Oh, yeah,

1300
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,840
I do a bigfoot podcast, don't I. I was just

1301
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,720
so amazed. It was such just a you know a

1302
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,640
natural thing, just like one of those moments that you're

1303
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,640
not expecting. And I didn't even think for a second

1304
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,159
about getting his contact info or anything.

1305
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:04,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, she strives me nuts when I do that. My

1306
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:10,520
doctor is actually she's a physician's assistant, but she takes

1307
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,680
good care of me. Her name is Bliss.

1308
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say her last name, but just

1309
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,199
the name alone would tell you what a kind person

1310
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:25,079
she is. And she she I tell her, you know, look,

1311
01:16:25,119 --> 01:16:27,600
I broke down on this stupid show I was on,

1312
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:33,199
and she's like, we got to find a way to

1313
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:37,199
help you with your PTSD. She said, one way is

1314
01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:38,960
to stop doing.

1315
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:42,199
Speaker 1: Those and I was like, yep, Well I did stop

1316
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:45,399
doing them, and it kind of got better and better

1317
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,520
and better. As far as the sleep goes, I don't

1318
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,760
think i'll ever sleep regular again. There's another man that's very,

1319
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,239
very very high in the Sashquatch world.

1320
01:16:55,359 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 3: I mean he told me that he does not He said,

1321
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,880
if I tell you this, I don't want you to

1322
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,800
ever repeat it, So I'm not going to use his name,

1323
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:10,600
but he said ever since his encounter, he's also been

1324
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:15,680
on sleep medicine for fifteen years. So I was just like, wow,

1325
01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:19,279
he thinks it has to do.

1326
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: He heard the humming too, and so he thinks that

1327
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:24,560
might have something to do with it.

1328
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1329
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:29,279
Speaker 1: I don't dream about him. I just can't sleep after

1330
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:34,720
that that night, I can't sleep. So I thoroughly enjoy

1331
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:40,319
listening to people who aren't out there. One kid told

1332
01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:43,239
me when I was still working, he has a neighbor

1333
01:17:43,279 --> 01:17:47,199
girl somewhere around twenty years old. This is about five

1334
01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:47,680
years ago.

1335
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 3: He was telling me. He says, lives out Namboy. That's

1336
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:55,039
real rural too.

1337
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: That she left her friend's house and she just had

1338
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,000
to walk through a patch of work woods to get

1339
01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:03,960
to her house. She says, she gets about halfway through

1340
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,039
the woods and something starts following her, so she speeds

1341
01:18:08,119 --> 01:18:10,840
up and she gets out and she runs up to

1342
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,159
her porch. She turns around and there is a sasquatch

1343
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:18,199
standing twenty feet from her looking at her. And she

1344
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,800
goes to open the door, and her boyfriend had it locked,

1345
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:26,600
and so she's apparently banging on the door and when

1346
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,239
he opens it, it's is when the thing ran back

1347
01:18:29,239 --> 01:18:32,439
in the woods. But he did glimpse it, but she

1348
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,760
said that it just stood there and stared at her

1349
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,680
and she is such a hardcore Christian that she thinks

1350
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,840
it was a gorilla because her God would never make

1351
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,399
something like that. I was like, oh my God. I

1352
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,079
tried to interview her, but she refused. So there are

1353
01:18:49,119 --> 01:18:54,239
people like that that I believe. Tell you tell you things.

1354
01:18:55,359 --> 01:19:00,399
I worked with another kid. He was a temporary I

1355
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:04,000
worked four years ago. And I asked him, I said,

1356
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:07,800
because he worked for the Forest Reservice as attempt during

1357
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,840
the year. The Force Reservice employees kids till they're like

1358
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,600
twenty one or twenty or something like that. So he

1359
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,319
had planted trees and things like that for many years,

1360
01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:19,359
but now he was the year that he was too old.

1361
01:19:20,039 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 3: He goes, no, but they make us. When we first

1362
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,119
get hired, you have a meeting and they tell you

1363
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:32,159
that if you see tracks, you tell your supervisor. He'll

1364
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:34,880
take a picture, and then you destroy the tracks. And

1365
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:41,960
he just didn't skip a beat. He said that they

1366
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,680
they will take certain areas because they want to keep

1367
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,600
the big footers out, and they will put fake tracks

1368
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:54,199
in different areas so that the bigfooters don't go into

1369
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:55,439
these certain areas.

1370
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,079
Speaker 1: And he said that he told me how they actually

1371
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:05,199
he said they if you see one, you're not supposed

1372
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:07,079
to talk about it. You're supposed to just tell your

1373
01:20:07,119 --> 01:20:09,600
supervisor and he'll take care of it. And he said,

1374
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,399
and some of the ones that cause problems, they just kill.

1375
01:20:14,319 --> 01:20:17,399
And he said there's a place in Florida that they

1376
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:18,920
send the bodies.

1377
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, shit.

1378
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:25,560
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't too many years after that that he

1379
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:29,399
saw that Jesse Ventura had a had a show about

1380
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,399
conspiracy and all that, and in Florida there is a

1381
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,720
place where they do all these experiments and stuff and

1382
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,000
you cannot get not even if you're a senator. You

1383
01:20:40,079 --> 01:20:43,199
can't get in here into that place. So that's what

1384
01:20:43,319 --> 01:20:47,680
made me. I just the guy, it just rolled off

1385
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:48,319
his tongue like.

1386
01:20:48,279 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 3: It was nothing.

1387
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: We're eating lunch and I'm just like, wow, Wow, this

1388
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:56,600
is I knew it was true what he was telling me,

1389
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,800
and it made sense. So I've carried that with me too.

1390
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,399
I'm like, wow, that's that's amazing. I've filed a few

1391
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,760
people about it, and it makes sense.

1392
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,399
Speaker 3: To them too. Yeah. I had never heard that.

1393
01:21:11,079 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: No, he was that's here in Washington. We were just

1394
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,720
happened to be on launch at the same time. All

1395
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,800
I wanted was help. And that's all I'm.

1396
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,560
Speaker 3: Hoping I could do for other people is I will

1397
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:28,039
listen to you and gosh, whatever I can do to

1398
01:21:28,079 --> 01:21:30,239
help that. There was just nobody that could do that.

1399
01:21:31,159 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: And when it came down to it, who can you

1400
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,119
if you go tell your doctor. And the first thing

1401
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:40,560
I happened to us when I went to work and

1402
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,560
I told a small group of guys what happened. The

1403
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,479
first guy says, well, I sure would like to smoke

1404
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,079
what you're smoking. I was like, mother effort, It's got

1405
01:21:51,119 --> 01:21:54,560
nothing to do with smoking or drinking. You know, hallucinate

1406
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:59,279
when you're drinking beer and you know. And another guy

1407
01:21:59,359 --> 01:22:01,720
he's like, yeah, I'm going to go up there and

1408
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,319
see if I can't make a friend. Well, he went

1409
01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:06,960
up there by himself, and he said he was so

1410
01:22:07,039 --> 01:22:09,359
creaked out that he had to leave. But then he

1411
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,479
went back up there and he threw a loaf of

1412
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,640
bread on the other side of the creek. And he

1413
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,920
came back in the morning and he said there was

1414
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,840
a perfect tear in the middle of the bread and

1415
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,560
it was brought back onto the other side and he

1416
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,920
said there was four pieces missed, no crumbs in there.

1417
01:22:26,039 --> 01:22:29,439
From something chewing on it or anything like that.

1418
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 2: How does a loaf of bread get across a creek?

1419
01:22:35,119 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1420
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a perfect my tear with four because he

1421
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,479
counted the pieces of bread.

1422
01:22:42,319 --> 01:22:47,279
Speaker 3: With four pieces gone. It's just I don't know. I

1423
01:22:47,319 --> 01:22:50,920
believe also a lot of people would disagree, but that's okay.

1424
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,720
I believe that they do know what fire is, and

1425
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,520
I believe that when they need it, they know how

1426
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:55,960
to make it.

1427
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: I believe these things are not holmost safety and sapien.

1428
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:05,159
I hate even saying things. There are some kind of people.

1429
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,520
There are definitely some kind of people. And I think

1430
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,520
that when people.

1431
01:23:11,239 --> 01:23:13,199
Speaker 3: Go, well, we got to kill one so that we

1432
01:23:13,239 --> 01:23:16,680
can save them, save them from what They haven't needed

1433
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,199
any protection. Why would they need your protection? It just

1434
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:21,920
doesn't make.

1435
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,119
Speaker 2: Sense going into this, Like you know, we had that

1436
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:29,800
conversation and everything about how it seems that possibly other

1437
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,479
podcasts have, like you said, just tried to trigger you

1438
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,680
to get that rise out of you and be entertainment

1439
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,840
or whatever. And so you know, I told you that

1440
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:42,000
I wasn't going to pressure you to do it. It's

1441
01:23:42,079 --> 01:23:43,039
up to you.

1442
01:23:43,039 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been completely comfortable with you, Matt, completely.

1443
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,039
Speaker 2: Good, good, I decided that I was just going to

1444
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:52,560
let you, you know, tell your story how you wanted

1445
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,439
to tell it, and just leave it at that.

1446
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I try to do the best I can.

1447
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,119
My wife says, I jump around a lot, and it

1448
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:03,600
might be because of the PTSD that I can't seem

1449
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,279
to keep it all in a perfect role. You know,

1450
01:24:06,319 --> 01:24:08,319
I do the best I can. Yeah, you did fine.

1451
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 2: I mean, like obviously there's like things that I'm thinking

1452
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:16,760
about about your story, and there might be some questions

1453
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,520
that I have for you or whatever. But I'll ask

1454
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,800
all those you know, off air and personal messages.

1455
01:24:22,199 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 3: Anything we talk about you.

1456
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 1: You ever want me to come back on, I'd be

1457
01:24:26,119 --> 01:24:29,720
glad to It's it's been a pleasure though talking to you.

1458
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,520
I feel very comfortable about talking about it. I mean,

1459
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,560
I don't have all the other worries, like what am

1460
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,199
I going to do at work? There's a lot of stress.

1461
01:24:38,319 --> 01:24:41,239
Speaker 3: Seems like every time this would happen, I'm dealing with

1462
01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:44,600
a lot of stress. Yeah, and you know, I mean

1463
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,600
I remember when my son got laid.

1464
01:24:46,319 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: Off in my little his little boy he's just he

1465
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,520
could he wasn't even walking or anything, you know, And

1466
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,800
I I just you know, and then all of a sudden,

1467
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,680
I'm going through all this shit. You know, I'm worried

1468
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,239
about my son. I'm worried about what grandson. And I

1469
01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:04,800
tend to let a lot of things worry me back

1470
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,439
in the day, and I don't anymore.

1471
01:25:07,319 --> 01:25:10,520
Speaker 3: I just it's not it's not worth the trouble. Uh.

1472
01:25:11,239 --> 01:25:15,880
I don't, I don't. I try not to judge people,

1473
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,159
but I just want. I think everybody should know that

1474
01:25:18,199 --> 01:25:21,920
it's okay to change your mind about anything.

1475
01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:25,359
Speaker 2: If you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something else

1476
01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:27,039
you can't explain, and you'd like to share your story

1477
01:25:27,039 --> 01:25:30,000
on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail

1478
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,880
dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com.

1479
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,279
You can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise,

1480
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,000
everything you need all in one place, and until next time,

1481
01:25:41,079 --> 01:26:02,920
remember there's something in the woods.

1482
01:26:03,039 --> 01:26:03,319
Speaker 3: Used