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Speaker 1: Ticketmaster faces lawsuit over alleged website tracking and surveillance stools.

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This is from Music Businessworldwide dot com.

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Speaker 2: I feel like.

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Speaker 1: Whenever we talk about lawsuits in the music industry, Ticketmaster's

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name comes.

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Speaker 2: Up a lot, a lot, a lot.

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Speaker 1: They're constantly getting yes, yes, here's the well, here's the

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newest thing. A new class action lawsuit has been filed

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against Ticketmaster, a leegendist website deploys unauthorized surveillance tools that

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violate California privacy laws. The latest complaint, filed in the

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US District Court for the Central District of California on Monday,

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January five, only listed Ticketmaster as the defendant. The class

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action was led by Solano County, California resident named Jeffrey Scruggs.

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The complaint claims that Ticketmaster employs advertising and analytics trackers

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for from Google, Facebook, TikTok, and Microsoft bing Oh Bing,

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I remember bing.

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Speaker 3: I forget that that exists.

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Speaker 2: I know, I do too, I didn't even know it

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still existed.

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Speaker 1: As well as those operated by Pinterest, Snap and comm

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Score to illegally quote collect, receive and process unquote information.

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Excuse me how to cough information from users, such as

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IP addresses, paid RL's timestamps, and device on or browser characteristics,

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among others. By the way, before we go any further

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with this, I would just say, yeah, I just kind

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of would have assumed that, like, is any of this

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shocking to you?

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Speaker 4: No? Shocking el Heck no no. But it raises an

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important issue about privacy. So do you, on the one hand,

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do you want ads that are targeted to what you like?

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Maybe you would like that instead of add that are

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selling trying to sell your products you would have nothing

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to do with, right, Like, But.

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Speaker 3: What to what? To what expense?

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Speaker 4: Do you want it to know when you turn your

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browser on and off? Do you want it to tell

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what your favorite color is? Do you want it to

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tell what musicians you're looking up or whether you looked

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up something for athletes' foot You know how it could get?

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How much information? Is okay with you? Because once it's out,

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it's out right. Once something gets a net, it's on

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the net. There's no deletion, it's there.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I remember years ago, years and years and years ago,

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when the supermarkets came out with this device that you

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could go around to shop with and it would get

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to know you, and it would tell you if you

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were in a particular aisle, do you want to get

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X again? Or why again? And how privacy wants got

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really said about it. They're like, oh, well they're gonna

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know what you're eating, They're gonna know what you're tagging him,

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you know. And then it was like, oh, I went

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shopping and then I got like five cheese coupons in

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the mail because I bought a lot of cheese. So

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where did that seveiled information come from? So to them

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doing this as they're trying to show you the ads,

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like they want to show you the Doobie Brothers, So

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they want to show you I don't know, kid rock

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whoever it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's no different than you know, when

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you go on a shopping site like Amazon and you

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see products selected for you, suggested for you, I should

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say that by your recent history that you might like, yes,

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things that you're actually interested in.

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Speaker 2: That's how all of it works.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well why does it always try and show me

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something I've already bought?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe you want to buy it again? No,

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maybe you need another one. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I never understand that one. Why you showing me something

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I already bought. Well crazy, But you know, so it

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comes down to privacy, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But the I have an unpopular opinion about that,

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and that is this. I'm just speaking for me personally.

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I couldn't care less, couldn't care less about any of it.

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I have no privacy to protect because guess what, none

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of us do anymore. I mean, come on, because this

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toothpaste is so far out of the tube.

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Speaker 2: Who cares?

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Speaker 1: Some people I know don't want What I just said

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is an unpopular opinion.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think probably most people.

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Speaker 4: Don't put the browsers in the setting that allows them

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to browse and do things without being cast.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because that's an easy solution. Yeah,

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just put it in an incognio mode and go crazy.

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That's all you gotta do.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 3: Well, now, it's easy for you to say that, but

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you got.

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Speaker 2: To look that it's easy to do it.

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Speaker 4: You've got to look at it in the legal sense

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of the word of how much is it not? How

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much is what is crossing the line? Is there a

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line on your privacy that you don't want cross that

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you do want the laws to protect because you don't

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want companies, you know, gathering that like do you want

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the local hospital to start sending you bereavement things because

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it got connected that you had somebody that passed.

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Speaker 1: But it wouldn't offend me. I wouldn't be like, oh,

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this is insensitive. I can't believe I'm getting this.

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Speaker 4: I but we But somebody else might be like, why

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not does.

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Speaker 3: Anybody know this?

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 1: Like I said, it's my way of looking at is

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it's an unpopular opinion.

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Speaker 2: I just don't care. I've never cared. I don't care.

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Speaker 4: You're an oddity because you're one of those people that

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is I am who I am as I am you.

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You don't have to remember his story because it's always truth, right,

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you know so, and that unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: These days could be kind of rare.

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Speaker 4: So if you're somebody that's trying to hide behind a cloud,

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you don't want the surveiled. Or if you mean there

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is a certain perspective to respect that people do have

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a right to privacy.

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Speaker 3: People do have a right to be safe within their

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own environment. They have that right. So how far is

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it okay to let a company go?

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Speaker 2: Do you have a line?

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Speaker 1: So I would argue again and think this will be

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an unpopular opinion. People will disagree with me. But if

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you have if you want to have that expectation of privacy,

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you have to take some simple steps to do that,

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like putting your browser in incognito mode for example, or

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using a VPN. But if you like, this is the

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part that will be unpopular with people. I think at

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this point in twenty twenty six, you have no more

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just using your browser as is and and just looking

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at whatever you're looking at. You have no you should

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have no more greater expectation of more greater. You should

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have no greater expectation of privacy doing that, then you

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should in a public place having a conversation with someone disagree.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure most people will right to be if you're

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in your home doing whatever it is you're doing, as

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long so long as it's not an illegal horrible thing,

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you have right to And the VPN isn't going to

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solve this problem because remember in the article they talked

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about it's collecting the IP address paige Ur. Else having

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a VPN doesn't matter. That VPN only hides where you are.

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Speaker 2: If you put it in an incognito.

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Speaker 4: You could go for incognito, But do you know whether

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or not this technology to get around that?

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Speaker 3: Can they still look at it?

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Speaker 4: And if there's no law prohibiting it, then it is

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legal State of New Hampshire. If it is not a

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law specifically saying it's illegal, then it is legal in

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the State.

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Speaker 3: Of New Hampshire. That's how our laws are.

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Speaker 4: So if there's no law that says I don't have

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the right to invade your privacy, and look at what

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did you buy off a ticket Master? When did you

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buy it? What venues are you going to? And can

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that information then be gotten out there? Can that information

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then be sold? Can somebody use it to surveil.

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Speaker 1: To people always complained about all I don't want my

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information being sold that that's been going that was going

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on pre Internet, like if you've ever gotten a piece

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of junk mail that friedmation.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't make it right, that doesn't make it right. Well, no,

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that's not how it now listened to you. It doesn't

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have to be. That's how it works.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: If that's how it works.

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Speaker 4: And Ticketmaster can say that's how it works, we've got

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the monopoly.

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Speaker 3: That's why you guys.

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Speaker 4: Should just you know, sell your tickets through us and

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suck it up that you're getting, you know, two cents

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on the penny or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: You know there's I don't I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: That's just like how it is like even pre internet.

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Like you subscribe to a magazine and you start getting

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offers in your mailbox for other magazines that might be

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interesting to you. Why does that happen because the company

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that you bought that magazine subscription from took your information

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and sold it to somebody.

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Speaker 4: Ever, ninety percent of companies out there have the ability

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that you can say no, do not share. You have

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the ability to say no, do not share on a

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lot of these websites, a lot of these companies. You

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have that right to say no. So they can sell

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everybody else, but you sure if they do sell you,

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then they're violations. They're violating your privacy and they're not

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respecting the choice you made to say no, I don't

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want you to share my hell, I don't want you

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to know that I'm buying hemorrhoid cream or I'm buying.

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Speaker 3: Athletes foot stuff.

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Speaker 4: Like maybe people don't so what the other side of

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that coin, The unintended consequence can be as bad as

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somebody doesn't go get treatment for something because they're too

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afraid of the surveillance of somebody finding out that what

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that is that they have a treatment for.

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Speaker 3: You gotta think worst case, best case scenario. Sure, and

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if the.

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Speaker 4: Unintended consequences can be harmful and hurt somebody, then there

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is a call to say we have a right to privacy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that just because the Internet was created

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that means that you lose your.

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Speaker 1: Right to pri No. I just think it's no. I

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agree with that in principle. I just think it's uh.

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I think the expectator people need to adjust their expectations.

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Speaker 3: But I want to know what your line is.

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Speaker 4: If they're saying they're they're collecting what was that word

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they use, Oh, browser characteristics?

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Speaker 3: What in the heck does that actually mean?

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Speaker 2: I don't even know. I just I just know I personally.

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Speaker 3: Would that mean accessing the camera?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: That would be bad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't want that happening. I want some prohibiting it.

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And there is Oh, that's definitely against a lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a private if what if you're using a website

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that utilizes your camera? If there isn't a lot of

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it says that website can't then take whatever you utilize

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that camera with and sell it to somebody.

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Speaker 3: Then they get to sell it to somebody.

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Speaker 4: What if I'm using an online thing to size out

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my eyeglasses, to buy my eyeglasses, to put in my prescription.

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That's my private information, whether you think it's important or

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not important information, that's my private that.

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Speaker 2: Would be protected by hippo. Wouldn't it anywhere?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: Not?

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Speaker 3: Maybe? Maybe not. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I would think it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because it because the ceiling with an

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eyeglass prescription can an aspect of it.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 3: Can they get away with sharing any of the other stuff?

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Probably I don't like who you bought the glasses from?

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Speaker 4: You know so ticket masters some kind of what are

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they doing on the back end is my thing? Like okay,

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time stamps, they know when you're up, they know when

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you're buying your tickets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they know when to send out.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? They know it target cool? Cool?

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Speaker 2: Really show me, show me what you want to sell

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me you want to Maybe we're.

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Speaker 3: Getting closer and closer to Big Brother then.

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Speaker 2: Closer and closer. We're already there, We've been there for

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a long time.

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Speaker 4: But in the aspect of a private business, do they

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have the right to investigate you, to surveil you in

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such a way?

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Speaker 2: Eh? You think I'm interesting enough? You want to investigate

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and surveil me, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Well that's my.

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Speaker 4: That's my ass that's my personal opinion as well. But

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that can be my personal opinion. That doesn't mean it

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has to be forced to be everybody else.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't I know.

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Speaker 3: I have the air on the side of safety first.

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Speaker 4: So the right to privacy should supersede the right for

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the company to be able to sell the information or

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to collect this data.

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Speaker 3: How far deep browser characteristics means? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: And could they Well here, let me throw this at you.

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Could they utilize any of this information against the artists?

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Could they collect data using these surveiled technologies that helps

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them buy new ways to nicol and I'm the artists,

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so they get even less? We have how many times

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we talked about how many how much money the artists

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don't get?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Could that be utilized to do it even further?

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Speaker 1: Well, if you want to look at it, so The

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article is up at music Business Worldwide dot com. There's

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a bit more to it, but but like I said Ticketmaster,

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they're always in trouble for something, and they're.

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Speaker 4: Always trying to get more for less. So protect the artists,

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watch out for each other.