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Speaker 1: It is January second, and Elshie won their bowl game,
and the college football playoffs just happened yesterday. We got
three or two quarterfinal games yesterday. We will have a
third one today. You've had three over the last couple
of days, and let's just.
Speaker 2: Get to the big one. I mean, there's not much
to say on Boise.
Speaker 1: Penn State basically played out exactly how you thought it would.
I mean, Jake, you want to talk about looking physically different?
Speaker 2: That was that was the.
Speaker 1: Probably the most physically different I saw two teams look
this entire playoffs because even SMU, who's a bit smaller
in some areas, so he's a big in the front seven.
I don't know, boy boy, it was just that game
went about how you kind of thought that it would.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you talk about styles making fights, yeah,
what Boise does really well, it's also what Penn State
does an the elite level. And now you're talking about
a power Big ten program and a Mountain West program. Yeah,
who's a good football team, right. A lot of jokers
out here gonna be like, no, they're a good football team.
And if they played maybe somebody else, maybe it's a
different story. But with what you do really well to
what they do really well, and they've got the size
the speed advantage, it was gonna play out exactly like
it did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so again we were like, okay, this is
you know, this is another game in which we have
seen the favorite look like the favorite looked like the
better team. And then came Texas Arizona State, and once
again it looked to be on the surface, very lopsided.
Texas just way bigger, stronger, faster, more NFL talent, all
that sort of stuff. And I thought because Arizonta stated
had the best run defense in the Big Twelve, but
it was still like just everybody wasn't that good at
rush defense in the Big twelve, Like it was the best,
but it was still like one hundred and twenty yards
a game. It was like seventeen touchdowns. So it's like, okay,
they've been okay there, but Texas. The only way to
beat Texas by stopping the run, forcing Quinn, you weres
to have to throw the ball. I don't think yours
taken to do it, and I think Texas will be
able to U. Yeah, they think that's gonna run all
over him. It's gonna set up Quinn. I think Texas
rolls big, and as much Jake as much belief in
Camp Scataboo as Jake profess and as much as I
liked Scataboo this season, I thought it was gonna be
too much of a hill to climb, and it looked
like for much of the game it was. But that
is the unbelievable nature of camp'scattaboy.
Speaker 2: And make no mistake here.
Speaker 1: So when we did our immediate reaction show on Snaps, Jake,
some Texas fans of the chow were like, we'll talk
about Texas talking about Texans getting their flowers. Texas is
not the story here. Arizona State and Campscattaboury are credit
to Texas. I'll give you flowers for escaping, for making
the huge plays in overtime when you had to have them.
There is credit there for surviving and advancing. But you
took a team that is much more talented, had a
big lead, and you damn near got beat by the
closest football equivalent I've ever seen to Rocky Balboa. I mean,
if Camp's Adaboo was not Rocky in this game, even
down to losing the fight, right, but like eating all
of the damage, right, what a tank eating so much damp?
I mean the gift that was making the rounds on
Twitter of the guy being jumped into the gang and
it's like every time Cam'skataboo touches the ball, and it
felt like that in the first half. But the crazy
thing is he's like a boxer who can just eat
the punches, eat the punches, eat the punches, and instead
of but he could take it, and all of a sudden,
the guy on the attack, he's exhausted and then Cam
starts to fight back, and he starts to pummel, and
it's absurd to find the success that he ended up
finding on the ground, to throw a touchdown pass, to
have that incredible route on the go, and then and
then the head he played the body control to catch.
I mean, just I have never seen a player battle
against the odds, against guys who are bigger, stronger, and
faster and just will his team to mean just one
playaway from and although they couldn't get it done, Cam
Skataboo saved college football and saved the playoff yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 4: Ye great analogy with the Rocky Balboa stuff as exactly
what it felt like. I mean, he's just going to
tire you out. He's gonna keep coming, He's not gonna
shy away from it. And look, Texas, they heard all
the talk before the game. You could tell like every
time they tackled him, and you know they're chirping at him,
and he's just taking it. He knows his game, he
knows what he does really well, and he's just gonna
keep on coming, keep on fighting, even when he drinks
too much water too fast and starts throwing up on
the sideline and Kenny dealing him as coach said, all right,
puke and rally let's go. But man, how fun was
that to watch. I mean, you talk about somebody that
wanted it as much as anybody could possibly want it.
He just continues to come back. And I was so
glad that the nation got to see Cam skataboo because
you've heard me talk about him all season. You've talked
about him all season like he's done that all year long.
And what's most impressive to me is when you play
a team and you're know Jordan Tyson's not in the game,
he's your top receiver.
Speaker 2: Now. Sam Levitt was awesome.
Speaker 4: He's great, slippery and made some throws and he's gonna
be a really good throw down scramble the I mean,
he's a good player, so I want to take anything
away from him.
Speaker 1: But everybody had four circle, yes highlighted, had a star
by his name the entire lead.
Speaker 2: Into this game.
Speaker 4: But it didn't matter because his whill was going to
get him to exactly the point that he got to.
And it was so much fun to watch that guy
just go up there try to put the team on
his back. You said it running throwing catching in that route.
He gave him a little stick what I'm saying, a
little bottle, little jab step broke him down.
Speaker 2: It was a nice Oprah shoulder catch man.
Speaker 4: So we we you know, we have the ability and
always blessed to do it to go down to Mobile
for the Senior Bowl. Every single year he's going to
be playing in the Senior Bowl. Can't wait to just
you know, pick his brain on his mindset and you
know how he kind of goes about his business, prepares
for game because he was ready for the spotlight. He
was ready for everybody to target him, right because he
was the star players only target that they actually called
in the game.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that maybe a little bit later. But
I'm just he's an NFL player, He's a Sunday player.
Speaker 1: With that, I mean, with that, with that, with the
intangibles that I saw yesterday afternoon and just the.
Speaker 2: Sheer drive and grit. Yeah, like I'm not gonna doubt scatter.
Speaker 4: I think dan Orlowski had this tweet against the number
one defense in America on a.
Speaker 2: Play by play basis.
Speaker 4: Kim Skataboo led Arizona State in rushes rushing yards, rushing touchdowns, receptions,
receiving yards, and passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So again, it was as legendary of a performance as
you ever see, and it breaks my heart they could
not come up with that fourth and thirteen stop.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's right there.
Speaker 1: When we talk about like the Georgia Tech Georgia game,
who knows when you'll be back in that position. I
think Arizona State shouture is very broadly, don't get me wrong,
but to be right, and you had you had Scataboo
talking that noise directly into the camera after scoring the
overtime touchdown, Jake looking straight into the camera, talking talking crap.
It looked like the defense was gonna come through. And
that's where you credit Texas and you credit Quinn viewers
for finding a way. Chase Daniel relaxed, like, Okay, you
had a breakdown of it on on on on Twitter,
just just showing how Quinn uh checked it. Now to
your point, I didn't realize this, so they ran the
same blitz that they did before the fall start, so
Quinn had time to think about all this, and.
Speaker 2: I liked the aggression.
Speaker 4: By the way, on State, A lot of people are like,
why would you bring that many people speed him up
in that situation. I think because you have a Quinn
Ewers who if you let him sit back there and
get comfortable, he can make every single throw. Yes, and
credit to Texas and their offensive line for picking it up.
But I like trying to speed him up. There is
a hell of a route by the receiver. It was
bad technique by the safety, and I get it. Look,
you're you know you had an eye violation. You're looking
at the slot guy he goes out. Maybe you carry
yourself a little bit too much of the out. That's
not your responsibility. Your responsibility is you know you're you're
a single high safety, right, So you've got anything over
the top there, you got in a bad spot. Great
though by Quinn. Hell of a route by the receiver.
But I like actually being aggressive for Arizona State. But
credit to Quinn in Texas are getting to look at
it and then adjusting to it.
Speaker 1: The same calls are the ones that got you there
in the in the first place.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I'll just read because again this is where I
credit Texas. I'll read Chase his tweet here It says
Quinn yours was the difference maker in the game.
Speaker 2: For Texas.
Speaker 1: Biggest play the game is when he checked to cover
zero beater on the fourth and thirteen touchdown pass check
to a post route of max protection, then sod the
offensive line the correct way through a dark season on line.
Speaker 2: All very true credit to Quinn.
Speaker 1: Why though I say Texas is not the story is
because this is not a.
Speaker 2: Game in which.
Speaker 1: The team that played better one Texas was lucky to
win this game.
Speaker 2: How about this?
Speaker 1: Here is and the final box score is still very
lopside of Arizona State, but it is a bit tinged
with some real last minute stats coming in thanks to
overtime and whatnot. Here is the box score after Arizona
State tied it at twenty four a piece with less
than five minutes left in the game, and at this
point cam Skataboo alone has more total yards than the
entire Texas team.
Speaker 2: Here's the box score.
Speaker 1: Twenty five first downs for the Devils to ten for Texas.
Speaker 2: Jake twenty five to.
Speaker 1: Ten, four hundred and forty two total yards to two
hundred and ten. Arizona State had thrown for two seventy,
Texas had thrown for one sixty.
Speaker 2: Arizona State had.
Speaker 1: Run the ball for one hundred and seventy two yards.
Texas had run it for forty eight Arizona State had
the ball for thirty seven minutes, Texas had it for seventeen.
Arizona State had run eighty two plays. Texas had run forty.
I mean, that is as dominant and as lopsided of
a box score as you will find if you look
in the entirety of this college football season, and yet
they end up cuting to So the impressive part to
me is not just the unbelievable, heroic come back to
the performances, Like my narrative for the game before that,
just unbelievable search Arizona State was that man. This sucks
because Arizona State actually dominated the game and just missed
too many opportunities that still ends up cost him.
Speaker 2: But like, but that's the crazy part.
Speaker 5: They dominated the game again to Texas team, they absolutely
should not have been a So it's a credit to
dilling Ham, it's a credit to Scott, but it's a
credit to that defense, it's credit to everybody on that team,
and it's a validation of things like the regular season
mattering and talent deposit not being the end all be
all and you still can be the hole can be
greater than the sum of its parts, and Arizona State
proved that in a playoffs, so that desperately needed to
be proven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mitchell, inside the chat, they were losing by fourteen
the entire game, though, but did you just listen to
what T Bob was saying. They had their opportunities, and
they played so well that they kept it within fourteen,
even though they missed their chances, even though they had
a block field goal, even though they got down to
the two yard line and got stopped, because look, the
play calling was not creative down there.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't. They were very creative getting to that point.
Speaker 4: And then you could tell all year they've been able
to line up in ace formation, handed off to Camscataboo
and score touchdowns. They tried that, it did not work.
Now they adjusted as the game win long. And also
like they got back to it because they had leaned
on they broke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they broke it a little bit.
Speaker 4: They got back to themselves, but at that point they
had not done that.
Speaker 2: You don't love the play.
Speaker 4: Calls down there, right, You kind of changed who you
were from the twenties to when you got inside them.
Speaker 2: Also.
Speaker 1: Credit that's another thing that you could give Texas roses
on red zone defense matters. It does right, and it's
why the defense was not great between the twenty.
Speaker 4: For the red zone, a running football team usually plays
a little bit better because everything's so condensed down there
if you're a passing team. And so it actually favored
Arizona State going into the matchup there in the red area,
but they weren't able to get it done. Again, play
calls left you, you know, scratching your head a little
bit there. But yes, Texta did a nice job of
stopping them there. But think about all the opportunities and
normally when you have those opportunities, you don't take advantage, man,
you just go away.
Speaker 2: But they played so well that they.
Speaker 4: Kept it within fourteen and then they started to make
the plays that they weren't making beforehand, and then became
a tied football game. And so yeah, z on A
State can go back and now they can watch that
tape and they're gonna be kicking themselves. But they also
can go back and watch that tape and know that
they belonged, yeah, in that game, and they're going to
have a bright future. Their head coach Kenny Dillingham is
from Tempe. He went to Arizona State. It would take
a lot to get him out of there, so he
is bought into the program. He just signed a new
five year deal. Leve At, their quarterback was a red
shirt freshman. He's already announced he's going to be back
at Arizona State. I got a lot of pieces of
this team going to be back now. The biggest piece
is gone, but you've got a lot to build on
there in Tempi, and man, what a game it was
from them to be able to, you know, just take haymaker.
After Haymaker still be standing up, they throw a haymaker
and then look, Texas found a way.
Speaker 1: To overcome that god awful start where Texas looked to
be thirty points better than you, Kate, I mean just
so much, faster, so much where they came out there
immediate touchdown puff.
Speaker 2: Turns out they're like, you don't even belong in the
same field.
Speaker 1: And then not just to eat that and survive, but
to eat it, dominate, make tons of crucial errors and
still get to that fourth and thirteen again. I agree
with JV in the chat, that is a movie level loss.
Like that is a Hollywood narrative Friday Night Lights Rocky,
where you celebrate the loser who, against all odds almost
toppled him and just couldn't quite Little big League just
couldn't quite.
Speaker 2: Get it all.
Speaker 1: A little Bigly, I know, says something exactly the right
going against the big bad Mariners.
Speaker 2: We're just the plucky twins. What do we have? We
have heart, we have grit, just not quite enough.
Speaker 3: To your point, tim Um, you brought this up going
into the Big twelve champ sorry, and it wound up
not mattering in the in the beginning championship. I don't know, baby,
so actually yeah, yeah it's tricky.
Speaker 2: We don't because people stepped up.
Speaker 3: But they really miss Jordan Tyson when you when they
heat it on Cam's kataboo, like Sam Levitt had nobody
because because on those news had to have it. Places
like Texas went to Matthew Golden and he bailed him
out time and time again. They didn't have that guy
to go to on the outside. They had had him
all year. I mean, mateyor the tight end had two
or three really big drops and that had been an
issue for him all year. But like Jordan Tyson would
have helped them in this game.
Speaker 4: He is he is six four two fifty five and
he needed to play like it. That was frustrating to
watch the Arizona State tight end. Like lack of daisicole
as well, it was weird.
Speaker 2: Man, just never want lazy hands. Well even then, like
it is effectively.
Speaker 3: Lazy, right because like he was getting open, but like
he just didn't look like you wanted to be.
Speaker 4: And then if you're Sam Levit, it's like, hey, Bud,
I've I've trusted you four times. I ain't coming back
to you fifth and so it takes away a receiver
kind of in your progression.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: My wife is like, look, if you yell at number
seven one more time, I'm going to ask you to leave.
Speaker 2: I'm like, if he just give.
Speaker 1: Effort, if he's six four two fifty five, you know
what I would have done if the Good Lord blessed
me to be six four two fifty five, get in
the game the Okay, So I want to get into
the targeting here in a minute. Yeah, on the Jordan
Tyson front, Yeah, I mean that's a guy who accounted
for seventy percent of the yards and there or maybe
it was the catches in the regular season.
Speaker 2: It was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was an absurd like how many teams in this
entire college football playoff would be okay if you took
their second best player off the team. And as good
as Levi it is, Jordan Tison was the second best
player on this team to Camps Kataboo. So a shout
out to the Demons. I think we were all cheering
for you, except for a lodge lodge we have it.
I'm sorry we have not given you your time to
represent the Hookers. So how did you feel about your
your longhorns there.
Speaker 2: The hook them?
Speaker 6: Well, I just think it's I get what you're saying,
but I just think it's funny that Texas won and
we're like, go Arizona State. Like I understand why you're
saying it, but you're just such a hater that you
can't just be like, shout out, I.
Speaker 4: Don't hate Texas like he does. And still like I
get why we're all talking about Arizona State because it
is just like that's the story that very rare, rare
time that you can celebrate a loss because it was
such a fight, and that's why, like Gary Soaken gives
him Camp's gotta be the MVP. And he's like, hey,
we ain't never done this before, but you can't be denied.
So credit to Texas and they're still moving on. They
still get to play. But I do agree with Tea,
it is that rare time that you're going to celebrate
Arizona State over Texas because of how it play.
Speaker 1: The movie's about Rocky Yeah, and that's like Texas are
the big bad guys. They are King Griffy Junior in
Little Big League. They win in the end, and they
advance because they are better than more talent all that
sort of stuff. Uh, but the story here.
Speaker 2: Are the lovable losers.
Speaker 1: But guess what, because Texas advances, they'll be right back
into the prime time. You know, they still have the
ability to write their own legend. Maybe this sends at
a national championship for Texas and then you look back
on that Quinn you weres playing, it becomes one of
the greatest plays in school history.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, they found a way to win a game
that they shouldn't have and that that that makes you
a better football team. Like to your point, you rattled
off those stats, Arizona State doubled you up. Statistically in
every category. You were down to a fourth and thirteen
after you scored that to go into overtime, you scored
and then you got the ball and you scored again
on the first play and at that point it was over.
Like Texas limped into overtime, Arizona State did not, and
Texas still found a way to win. And that's gonna
make you a better team. Yeah, you got that two
point conversion too. Yeah, just when they got the drive home,
the fact that the game was over.
Speaker 4: I agree, go ahead, Now they got a face anybody.
Speaker 6: Yeah in americaregan And we haven't talked about that yet,
but that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's nothing to talk about that one, right, Yeah,
I mean Jeremiah Smith is to talk about. Yeah, but
we already knew that.
Speaker 6: I said it during the break, like Quinn didn't have
a good game, but he stepped up when he yes.
Speaker 2: And that he played. I don't think you played bad though.
Speaker 6: It wasn't terrible. But it's like it's just like every
game that Quinn has where.
Speaker 2: It's like it's the one play that's like what are
you do in this one? Yeah?
Speaker 6: He has like Golden is freaking he's a bet and
Gunner Helm is pretty good too.
Speaker 2: Anytime you needed something like Helm was open. There's no
doubt he's one of the better tight ends in the country.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't know. I think I even Teaball
was like panic time. Yeah, I was like, put Arch him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of you're a tweeted put Arch in,
but it's like twenty four to twenty four.
Speaker 2: Put him in. I'm done with Quinn. I wanted him
to run a little bit.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: You think Quinn makes you think Arch makes that playing
four thirteen, I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't though I don't thinking. I think
it's a play of experience.
Speaker 6: Stepped up when he needed to step up, and so
shout out him again.
Speaker 1: I think there are areas in which you give Texas
their roses, but they are not the story. Uh. Even
though we got to talk, we'll talk about the targeting
you get the other game, so we get back Moready
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to OTV and continue to talk about the
playoff games. The one thing we didn't get through with
texts Arizona State was the targeting that was targeting but
was reviewed to not called targeting. As it is third
and fifteen, levent drops, back throws the ball, it gets.
Speaker 2: Tipped and which doesn't It's not like a or anything. No, no, no,
don't no, I know you knew. I just laid it
out for but it.
Speaker 1: Gets tipped and then in the tackle it's just a
big helmet.
Speaker 2: The helmet hit like it was one of those deals.
Speaker 1: Whereas it's being reviewed, basically everybody is saying, okay, this
is for sure targeting and at the time it probably
would have set Arizona State up.
Speaker 2: First down thirty with timeouts and they would have had.
Speaker 1: A good chance to kick a game winning field goal. Yeah,
here's the hit right there. If you're watching on YouTube,
accomps least one four or five ESPN. Now he didn't,
I mean, okay, So here's my thoughts on the play.
I thought it was targeting. In the end, I am
not upset that the refs did not call this targeting
and did not decide the game with a targeting and
I think Arizona State validated that decision and still finding
a way to fight back and get within one play
of winning the game, and the win would have been
much more satisfying, Like the outcome was much more satisfying
for everybody in general. That targeting was not called here,
even if you believe that, Like that's my personal take.
I thought it was targeting, but I'm not mad that
they reviewed it and didn't call it.
Speaker 4: You can't And I get not wanting a game like
this decided on. I get that, but a penalty is
a penalty, and it was targeting. And for Arizona State,
they get the baught the thirty five yard line going
in with enough time for them to run their style
of offense, get the clock down, make Texas use their
timeouts at worst, and then you, you know, you get
the opportunity to go win the football game in that moment.
You don't even overtime. It's not even a factor because
you're not getting to overtime. And look, y'all know me,
Like I love the game as physical as it possibly can,
but you can't pick and choose when you call the
penalty based off the situation. If it's a penalty, it's
a penalty. And that was And look at taf I
love him, I love watching him play. He's as physical
as any safety out there. Both those safeties for Texas
are but that is a penalty. And Arizona State, I
think if they get that, I think they win the game.
But even more than any of that tea right, because
you're right, it ended up being an awesome game.
Speaker 1: Arizona State had their chances. I'm going to go back
and you know what I'm going to say.
Speaker 4: I need that head official right here, and I need
the rules official that reviewed it right here.
Speaker 2: And I need a microphone here, and I need wait,
you not your And that's what I need.
Speaker 4: Okay, I need two microphones behind all of the people involved. Okay,
that's what I need. And I need not a poor reporter.
I don't need a pull. I don't need a single
poor reporter. I need a room full of reporters and
I need them to sit there and I need him
to tell me here's what I saw, and maybe he
gives me the explanation that I'm like, Okay, I can
live with that, but I need him on the field.
Speaker 2: Here's what I saw.
Speaker 4: Okay, mister replay official, on the replay, Here's what I saw.
Here's how it played out for me. Here's how I
got to my ruling. And if you have that, maybe
we can live with it, or maybe we get more angry.
I don't know, but we'll never know. I don't understand
why we can't get that done. You sit here, he
sits there. Explain to me what you saw. Because if
I fumble, I got to tell you why I had
bad ball. Security, ball popped out. If I throw an interception,
read the coverage wrong, throw it to the wrong guy.
If I have a mistackle, I duck, my head didn't wrap.
Speaker 2: It's my fault. I'll take it.
Speaker 4: If a coach makes a bad call in the game,
I should not have called it. Here's what I was thinking.
Here's how it played out.
Speaker 1: Every single person involved in a win or a loss
as a microphone in front of them, and we have
to explain it.
Speaker 4: A lot of times. We barely have enough time to
get our pads off. Sometimes we're in a towel trying
to hurry up and get out of the locker room
because you know, thirty microphones are going to be in
front of you. I've got to do it. The coach
has got to do it. Now, we're all getting paid
to be here. Both these guys are getting paid to
be here too. The officials and the replay officials. Why
in the world can we not have them sit down
after a game and go over not every call, We're
not trying to go over every call, but if a
game has an impactful play like that, why in the
world can we not just hear from them? Why can't
they explain what they saw? The UFL's got it figured out.
We get a chance to listen to what they're talking about.
Even that, even if you don't want to sit them
after the game, let me hear, Let me hear what
the discussion is. How did you get to your ruling?
Because again, it might behoove you, it might benefit you. You
might say something like, okay, well that makes sense, but
we'll never know. I don't understand why every single one
of us that is on the field outside of the
referees and the replay official have to answer questions to
how they got there or why something happened, but they
never ever have to.
Speaker 1: So I I actually agree in this case, although again,
like I always say, I understand why they don't, but
I agree in this case, I would love an explanation.
Here's the only thing I would say. And I'm not
gonna die on this hill, and so I don't really
care to debate it. But my take on the if
it's a penalty, it's a penalty. If it's not, it's
not thing is that targeting is so subjective, is so much.
Speaker 2: Gray area, but that's not great area. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think you could you could, like you know how lawyers,
if you allow them enough gray air to play around,
and they can form any argument I could say, because
it feels like this call they've called targeting very much
more based on intent. I would say he came with
his face up, he didn't launch, he didn't hit with
the crown of the head, his intent was not malicious,
like like a defense attorney that's defending someone guilty. Like
I think there's enough subjectivity there where. That would be
the argument that I would craft.
Speaker 2: But again I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't
that that's my opinion. Anything I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I would just say I like I would see the
day because I don't. I'm not going to sit here
and try to convince anybody. But that's what I imagine
their kind of logic was behind not called just but
you can I just I can't get behind it being
a penalty every time unless the game's.
Speaker 2: Want well, but I don't know that it has this year.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a bad rule overall, but it does feel
like this year they've done a better job of taking
the intent into it and not being so strict like
there's a zero percent chance that Devin White gets ejected
this season verse a few years ago.
Speaker 4: Mean, the hit on Jadon Daniels was in a penalty
last year, So I understand what you're saying, right because
I mean that was a bad one and typically that
is called it has gone down. I get all of that,
But to what the rule is again, taff ducks the
head crown of the head to the side of the helmet,
and that gets called ninety nine point nine percent of
the times. It's just like, you can't allow the situation
to affect what the call is. And if it's holding,
it's holding. If it's a chop block, it's a childblockers
pastor inferance is past interference, and you know this was
targeting but again, if we had access to what the
conversations were, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Speaker 2: It'd be a different conversation.
Speaker 1: We would be having the conversation of Hey, the replay
official says, this is why it was not a targeting.
Speaker 2: There was a B and C. But we won't know
a B and C.
Speaker 4: And then when they put you know, a referee with
one pool reporter who's asking questions that really only benefit
one side, we just don't know. And as somebody, you've
been in that situation too, it's not just me playing
in the NFL.
Speaker 2: It happens in college when you messed up. No, I agree,
I would love to hear from you.
Speaker 4: You had to answer questions why you messed up, no
matter what it is. We've all been if you've played
at a high level, you've all been there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it sucks.
Speaker 4: You're still mad about it, you still got your blood pumping,
you still have your EyeBlack on. But you got to
answer the questions, because that's just part of it. In
the NFL, you get a like a ten minute cool
off period. Well, honestly, once you get in the locker room,
the head coach is talking for eight minutes, so you
get about two minutes to cool off and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, hey, it is what it is, And here they come.
Speaker 4: You see him coming in the locker room, cameras on
the shoulder, microphone in hand, and you're like, all right,
well here we go.
Speaker 2: I just wish we had that.
Speaker 4: Same accountability for the people who are making the calls
on the field, because they get paid. They have a job,
just like our jobs, to go out there and play football.
And I just think that it's something where you would leave,
you know, all the doubting of oh the fixes in
and I saw that over Twitter. I don't look, it's
a big ten official crew, it's an Essie's.
Speaker 2: I don't know any of that. I'm not engaging in that.
Speaker 4: I don't think there was a fix in, but we
would get exactly how they got there, which I just
think would help so much of what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: When we get back here on O TV one final
playoff game to get to we can also preview tonight's
this afternoon Nunes Sugar Bowls. So keep it locked right
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don't give it damn. So I forgot to put my
trash out a couple times ago, and so here I am,
shamefully at ten o'clock last night bringing bags to neighbors
trash cans that they've always put out, like like like
some sort of fat, sneaky trash burglar, dumping my extra
bags into all the cans that I can find on
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Welcome back to O TV. Yeah, it's it's a weird thing,
the trash thing, because like, why why would uh like
why why did I feel like I was committing such
a crime or an invade vision of people's personal space
when I was putting bags in their cans that you're
already out on the road, they're not going to touch
them again. It's not like you care about the trash.
But I'll be damned if I didn't feel as if
I was basically breaking and entering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, little b and E.
Speaker 1: Desperate times, desperate measures. I'm like Aladdin out here stealing apples.
Speaker 2: I think it's read.
Speaker 3: I think it's because like when when people see you,
like you mentioned on the ring doorbell cameras, actively dumping
your trash and other people's cans, they're probably thinking, what
the hell is in T Bob's trash bags?
Speaker 2: Like a dumping like incriminating evidence into your trash cans.
Speaker 1: I thought about that as well, right, because if you
were to commit a crime, that would be something that
you would you would maybe try to do. That's kind
of dumb, though, because that is evidence, right, Like you'll
be on a person's camera dumping trash bags into there.
Speaker 4: I'm actually going to say, if you're listening to this
show and you live in T Bob's neighborhood, because T
Bob does a lot of things out in his neighborhood. Uh,
they watch baseball games, he goes for walks, so everybody
knows and T Bob is one of one, so everybody
knows that T Bob lives there. If you have him
on your ring camera, can you please email it to
a Launder or Taylor so we can get that footage
because it's on there. So if you live in his neighborhood,
check your ring cameras today, please, we.
Speaker 2: Need to see. I think I ended up hitting three
different cans.
Speaker 1: You're for sure three three cans was the was the
final tally.
Speaker 6: Not to be a nark, but this is definitely illegal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure it was. I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: It's weird, but like, why right, it feels like it
feels like it would be.
Speaker 6: I didn't think it was just looked it up.
Speaker 4: If you put something to the street, I'm like, hey,
this is whoever gets your first come get it. So
you would feel like it would be almost kind of
that situation a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's if it's in the street, it's kind of public domain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people always put that's what we all do. You
put it out in front of the house of a
couple of days and something that somebody might want.
Speaker 2: Like I saw a.
Speaker 1: Mattress this morning's it was like a kid's mattress.
Speaker 2: Look nice, It look nice.
Speaker 1: There's to be fair. I did start wondering, why are
they throwing it out? I wonder what took place in
the mattress.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you can get fined up to five thousand dollars.
What so if you do have it on a ring camera,
I actually implore you to delete it.
Speaker 2: No, I send it into it. I'm after me legally,
and you'll be dealing with Gordon. That's right. Okay, So
that's all I'm saying, Gordon, watch out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gordon, I know you're you're you're typically an accident attorney.
Speaker 2: Well this was an accident. Yes, I need I need
a defense attorney.
Speaker 6: He did accidentally forget to put his trash cans out.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well well that's because I don't trash. I'm
not allowed to have trash. I know me neither.
Speaker 4: During the break I forgot I saw all my neighbor's
cans out. I'm like, if there's one thing my wife
will get mad at is if I don't put the
trash out.
Speaker 2: So I had to put the car in park, hit
the slow job up to the can, take the can.
Speaker 4: Then you realize, oh man, this is the day they
pick up extra stuff as well. You see two big
carboard boxes from Christmas. Had a jog back grab those.
But I mean it was a whole situation. But if
I would have had a text, I mean.
Speaker 2: I missed the.
Speaker 1: Christmas pickup in between, so this was trash acculated through Christmas.
In New Year's I would have been saying the amount
of boxes, the amount of bags.
Speaker 2: It was quite insane, quite insane.
Speaker 4: Uh, Gordon wouldn't touch this case with football.
Speaker 1: No, guys, they did not forget to put out the
trash because I picked Baylor. I forgot to put out
the trash before I picked Baylors.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I feel I do.
Speaker 1: I do feel somewhat bad that I had to involve
t Bob shut Up into the slander, because one I
didn't know it was gonna upset him this much. Maybe
that's why he was a little quiet on the text thread.
He was mad at me. The only the only hint
that I gave of it in the text thread. I
texted Jake because I thought about saying something public, but
I wouldn't. I don't want to take a misstep. That's
why I texted you. Did you pick elsh you ever
gave this season? Just kind of innocuous little text. I
was sitting out there that that I just wanted to
confirm before I said something publicly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it was more.
Speaker 4: It was pointed more at hunt in Moscona, and you
know my teammate had to catch a stray.
Speaker 2: Look.
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Jimmy Yatte also does. The Odd Father is a leading
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Speaker 2: It's like one of those fantastic you know.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I think William Hurt was nominated for like Supporting
Actor for being in a movie like Eastern promises.
Speaker 2: It's like in it for like five minutes, but he's
still got they watch. Eastern promises, I saw it with
my mom back in the day, Oh you and Teresa.
Speaker 1: Eastern promises, Yeah, and I mean it's got a lot
of fully nude swinging meet fight scenes, like opens with
like a sex worker being murdered. It was just like
not a great Did you see it in the movie
theater across from Tech Texas de Brazil? Is that what
gave you the inspiration? I would have seen it at the race.
All right, when we get back, let's close it out.
We still got to talk about a hot state.
Speaker 2: Who off the Bench?
Speaker 1: Welcome in to the best morning Sports this show around
Off the Bench with Hester and T Bob.
Speaker 2: What's thatding y'all? Welcome back to OTV.
Speaker 1: So the last playoff game that we haven't talked about
yet is a hot State Oregon. In a deeply ironic twist,
the game in which we were most looking forward to
has maybe being the best, the most evenly matched two
teams that had an absolute instant classic in the first matchup,
two teams that were, by most accounts, thought to be
arguably the most two complete teams in this college football playoff,
like most talent, least amount of holes, and well did
not play out that way. It actually ends up being
the big blowout of the entire playoff, as Jeremiah Smith
in Ohio State hopped on him early and never let up,
going up thirty one to nothing in what basically felt
like five minutes. Chip Kelly looking like old school Chip
Kelly again. Like, there's a lot to talk about if
you're a Buckeye fan. Here to me, the main stories
are twofold, maybe threefold. First, Jeremiah Smith is probably the
best receiver in the entire country already as a true freshman.
And for all the talk of him or Ryan Williams
from earlier in the year, remember Ryan Williams of the
big moments, Againt Georgia early on to game the early nod.
But Jeremiah Smith easily wins that battle against anybody that
you want to put him up against. The amount like
he can just do everything. He's a physical freak, He's
got incredible hands, he can run all the way. He
said before that game that when he got one on ones,
he was just gonna smile because he knew he would win.
Speaker 2: And then he went out there and he did it.
Speaker 1: Like Jeremiah Smith is a Megatron level talent.
Speaker 2: He's only a true freshman.
Speaker 1: Remember he's the fastest to ever lose the Black stripe
when he got to Ohio State, like so much hype
and hype surpassed somehow.
Speaker 4: Which is so hard to do, Yes, when you have
as much as he came into this season with from
the moment he stepped on campus too, and you know
I do I do shows with a couple of former
buck Eyes, and you know they.
Speaker 2: Were like, you know, gotta lose the Black Stripe guy
kind of quick.
Speaker 1: We saw a lot of great players that still had
that thing on, you know, up until fault. It's like,
well now you know why. Yeah, so he was on otherworldly.
What does he finished with like eight for one, seventy
and two tuns or something? He could have finished with
whatever he wanted. Yeah, to be honest, Uh, look, Will
Howard very validating for Howard? Could I mean again, the
guys had one bad game this entire year? Uh, and
he continues to make Ryan Day look really good for
taking that bet on him and bringing him in to
quarterback this team. And really, speaking of Ryan Day, that's
the third and maybe the biggest point. What a weird
year for Ohio State. You didn't win the Big Ten,
you didn't even beat a bad Michigan team, and yet
now you look like the overwhelming favorite to win the
national championship. Ryan Day is currently taking the one exit ramp.
He had to everybody not yelling at him. I said
on Twitter, he should have came out, you know, after
the first half and into the second half with a
goal chain on and a cigarette hanging out of his mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been the play for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with all the things that he's had to hear
about himself and his coaching abilities, and sometimes it works
out that way. You didn't even play for the Big Ten.
You lost to your rival for a fourth straight year.
But none of that's going to matter, or it shouldn't matter.
I know it does maybe to some Buckeye fans. If
you go win a national championship, and you're gonna win
a national championship, if you do finish it with a
Final four, that's going.
Speaker 2: To have blue bloods.
Speaker 1: Texas, Penn State, and one of Georgia are Notre Dame,
so it's gonna be earned as well. Yeah, oh yeah,
I mean without a doubt. I mean, you just just
be thirteen, oh Oregon, And what a weird hear for Oregon.
I can trust me, guys, I can empathize. Right, undefeated season,
win the conference. The first matchup with the other best
team in the conference is an instant classic in which
you barely scrape out a win, you get rematched when
it matters, and you get blown out.
Speaker 2: And nobody cares about you.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure in a few years I'll have
some reunion celebrated conference championship. But it doesn't mean I mean,
you're thirteen, it doesn't mean it. In the end, it sucks, hurts,
it sucks for them. But credit to Ryan Day and
the Buckeyes looking like the odds on favorite. All right,
when we get back big you know, no big deal, munchies,
keep it locked right here off the bench,