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Speaker 1: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome to our podcast. This

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week it's the former WBC Junior lightweight champ O' Shaky

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Foster and O'shacky Welcome to the show. Thank you so

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much for doing this. We'll talk about your very significant

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rematch coming.

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Speaker 2: Up, and thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Bro. You bet all right. We'll let the folks know

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you have a rematch with Robson Kosasao, who came away

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with a very controversial decision against you a few months

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ago to take your title in the defense, and now

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you got the order for the immediate rematch. You guys

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are both with top rank. They were to put that

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fight together, I think pretty easily, it seemed to me anyway.

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You guys will get it on once again November two.

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It's the main event of the Top Rank ESPN Plus

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card at the Turning Stone Resort Casino in Verona, New York.

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Not far from where I grew up as a matter

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of fact. So the first question I got to start

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with you, Oshaky, is this when you fought him the

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first time in July, you were making your third title defense.

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You had looked good in your dramatic victory against Hernandez

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you had defeated Abraham Nova seemed to be on a

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very good role. You guys were the co feature that

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night in Newark, New Jersey, when Chakorus Stevenson was in

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the main event against Ardam Hartunian. You lost a split

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decision and let the folks know to refresh your memory.

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One judge had you winning one sixteen to one twelve. Uh,

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And the two other judges had concerts I winning one

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sixteen to one twelve and one fifteen to one thirteen.

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My question is, when they're reading the squarecards, did you

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feel like I got this in the bag and were

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you surprised when that was said it was going to

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be a split verdict.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was telling my coaches right after the bell round

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that you know, I made it look easy and that

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you know, I showed the world that you know, I

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can box and I can make it look easy if

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I want to. So yeah, when the score cards came out,

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it was like I kind of talked, I don't know,

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I kind of felt, I don't know, I was I

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don't know. I couldn't understand it because I was literally

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just telling them like, man, this was, you know, good night,

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easy work, Like woo woo, and then we lose the fight,

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and it's like, yeah, it was crazy, man, crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't attend the fight in person that time,

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but I watched it like so many other boxing fans

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and wrote about it afterwards. And when I watched fights

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like that, I scored them on paper or in my

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computer as I'm watching, And I scored the fight for

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you one eighteen to one ten. I thought maybe there

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was maybe one round, maybe two that I could have

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given the other way, so you still would have, at

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least in my mind, one eight rounds to four. So

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just how shocked were you in when it happened. I

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know you said you thought you won easily.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was unbelievable for me. I just it didn't

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feel real.

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Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie. I didn't feel real.

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Speaker 3: I kind of That's why I was just kind of

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pacing around the ring. I was trying to understand, like like,

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you know where it came from, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It just feel man, just feel crazy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know you you wanted a rematch, obviously that

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was something that you called for right away. Uh has

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it turned out to WBC? Uh? They ordered the immediate

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rematch and here you go, you've got it. Uh, But

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before that happened, I know you wanted it, But were

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you a little surprised or or how how much did

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you think that you would actually get them to order it.

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Speaker 3: I felt pretty good about the de w. I felt

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pretty good about them ordering it. Not gonna lie, I

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didn't have no.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I felt I felt there was so too much backlash,

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too much too much going on around the fight, that

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it had to be a rematch.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna put a stand on the sport.

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Speaker 3: But the only thing I didn't know if if they

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was gonna try to run from the rematch.

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Speaker 2: If Mauricio didn't you're talking about, Yeah, if he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Make it like force the rematch, I'm sure they would

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have probably ran from the rematch.

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Speaker 1: So when you wall put like that, since the fight happened,

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have you gone back and rewatch it?

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Speaker 2: I did once?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what do you see when you rewatch it?

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Do you see like how it's plausible that they could

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give him the scores that he could at least two

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of the judges have him winning the fight.

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Speaker 3: Nah, I seen him win in two rounds.

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Speaker 2: I give him two rounds.

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Speaker 3: I know it was around the fourth and probably somewhere

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around the later round, but not not at all. I

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thought it was a clean wash in the ring. And

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when I watched it, yeah, the most I could give

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him was two rounds.

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Speaker 1: So nothing that he gave you trouble with that you

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could have seen that maybe somebody else was like, Okay,

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he's doing very well in this particular facet of the fight,

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so therefore, maybe he can win some more rounds. Anything,

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anything you give you trouble with.

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Speaker 3: No, not really, I could have counted more, uh, you know,

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stuff like that, but nah.

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Speaker 1: Not So the one thing that I see when I

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look at it, so I don't like live and die.

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Let's say, by the CompuBox numbers, I know that they

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do provide a guide to the fight. So when I

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look at it, I see and these numbers are very stark.

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You know, if you've ever taken a look at what

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the numbers from your fight were, is that you threw

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way fewer punches than he did, by by quite a bit,

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like well over one hundred punches, almost a hundred, like

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almost two hundred punches less than he did, but you

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land you were credited with landing like forty more punches

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than he was. So you're landing more, but you're not

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nearly as busy. But he's throwing way more but landing

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a lot less. In fact, he landed at a historically

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poor amount, only eleven percent of his punches. But the

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reason I'm saying this is because some judges might look

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and be swayed by the activity, and another judge may

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be swayed by the fact that you were landing more punches,

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even if you know neither one of you were throwing

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particularly devastating punches landing them anyway. So that leads me

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to this, do you think that part of going into

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the rematch that you need to at least ratchet up

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your activity level in terms of your punch output to

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make sure that that doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 3: We ain't giving away no game plans, but I plan on.

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Speaker 2: I plan on.

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Speaker 3: I know what I need to do. I understand what

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I need to do. Definitely was easy, no matter how

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we judge seeing it, they should have seen it as

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a unanimous decision, so I shouldn't have to go in

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there and change everything up, but I would turn it up.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, I mean, I understand what I need to do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, when I said I'm not talking

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about some kind of like radical change, I just mean

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being sort of cognizant of the fact that I might

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need to, like maybe be a little bit more aggressive,

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maybe throw a few more punches, because we've seen you

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do that. We saw that in the Hernandez fight for example.

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It's not like you're not capable of doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's that's that's basically what it is.

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Speaker 2: You know, we gotta turn it up.

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Speaker 1: So and what would it mean to you to regain

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the title? I mean, you know, I've talked to lots

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of fighters on my day, and it's one thing. You know,

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they win the title and uh you know they always

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talk about it. You know, getting it's one thing, but

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keeping it's tougher. Uh And then if they lose it

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and get it back again, they talk about how sweet

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it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, it's it's it's gonna be. I don't know

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I'm gonna feel i'mna feel great, I'm I'm I'm real anxious,

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I'm excited and uh man, when that when that time come,

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I think I'm having I'm gonna have more emotions than

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I did for the first go around.

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Speaker 1: Well, I see a smile, and I can tell you're

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like excited about it when you when you really pumped

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up for it. Yeah, you guys had a pretty bad

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head butt there in the ninth round of the fight.

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I left you guys both with cuts. It seemed to

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me that yours was a bit worse than his. Uh,

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you kind of have to in the back of your

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mind make sure that you are worry about making sure

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the head don't get involved again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And kind of when that happened, it was kind

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of my fault too, the way I threw the right

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hand and the way he like, I kind of the

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right hand and I pulled, but I kind of leaned

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over to the left a little bit, So that's what

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kind of made it. So, Yeah, I'm gonna be I'm

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definitely gonna be mindful of his head because that was

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Speaker 1: Is that it's all healed up though, No issues there

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going into this fight with the cut?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you guess say, like you guys are waiting

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a year to do the remat It's been like what

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four months or so since the last fight, since July,

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so it's not a long hasn't been a long wait,

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I guess yeah. You know, I've always been interested in

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your backstory. I've heard him talk about it on on

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on the broadcast in the past. I've written a little

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bit about it in the in the past about how

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you know you got in some trouble as a kid

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you were in jail. Uh, you had been a really

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good amateur boxer, and and and I guess the way

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the story goes that I heard you tell me if

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I'm wrong here, that at some point, you know, while

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you're doing your time, uh, you were watching Terrence Crawford fight,

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and we're inspired by watching a Terrence Crawford fight. And

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as the story goes, Oshaki Foster said, you know what,

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when I'm out of here, which you know, I guess

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you didn't have a long period of time left to do, uh,

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that you were gonna try to turn your life around

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and dedicate yourself to boxing, seeing what what what Terrence

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Carford had done. Can you, uh go a little bit

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more into that story of what happened and what fight

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were you watching? And like I didn't know that you

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could watch like HBO fights in jail.

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Speaker 3: Oh, actually it was it was. So I was it's

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like the blocks. It's like a twelve man unit and

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there no no, no, no guards in there.

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Speaker 2: They come they come visit like every hour or two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like with some people. Know it's like you're in

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maximum security prison. I don't think or.

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Speaker 2: Anything like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I went in and I wasn't in the maximum security.

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to population or you can go.

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Speaker 2: To the blocks.

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Speaker 3: And so the murders ll like eggs anything egg, they

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go into the blocks, you know what I mean, don't

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Speaker 2: So it ain't no security going, none of that in that.

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Speaker 3: But anyways, we had a small a small like TV

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where you can get like the basic.

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Speaker 2: Channels, the basic cable channels. He was fighting on ESPN

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that night. He was fighting and Dono. He was fighting Dono.

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Speaker 1: That was not that was not Oh yeah that was ESPN.

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That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so there was that was that fight and so.

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Speaker 1: What was it? What was it about that that? Like

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just did you have like an epiphany like Okay, I'm

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gonna change things when I when you saw him win

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the Younger Speeder Championship, it was really just.

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Speaker 3: A mental thing at the time because I hadn't been

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sinised yet. I was still I was in there, you know,

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I hadn't even bailed out or nothing.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't went to court of nothing.

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Speaker 3: So I was just put in my mind towards that

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and and and kind of manifesting it in that way.

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I really didn't have no no super plan. I was

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still locked up, but I knew and the people around

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me that was in the in the in the jails,

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in the jail with me, they they was kind of like,

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you know, they was kind of on my side with

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it too, Like it was because I was still trying

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to do a little boxing training in there, but it

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wasn't nothing major. So it just gave me confidence being

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that me and Terrence got a similar style, right, you

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know what I mean, and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, when you look back, is that almost

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like a I mean, listen, no one wants to be

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in jail, obviously, but looking back that if that puts

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you on the straight and narrow path and help lead

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you to where you are now in your career. A

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guy that's uh, you know, stayed out of trouble. I

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guess since you've come out won the world championship, you know,

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made some money, have opportunities. Uh is in the long run,

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was it like a good thing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: The last the last little sit I had in there

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was definitely the eye opener because, like I said, I

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hadn't been sinised yet and they didn't want to. They

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didn't want to let us bond out. So I was

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just sitting sitting and you don't never know, you know

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what I mean, You never know if you're gonna sit

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down to your sentences, so sending sentencing or what else whatever.

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Speaker 2: So you had that opened my eyes.

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Speaker 3: It just made me be like, all right, you need

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to you need to go forward with it with the

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boxing stuff, and tried one hundred percent. If not, then

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you know what I mean, it's it's gonna go downhill.

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Speaker 1: And how long were you did you serve them because

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of that in the first place.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was only in there for that time.

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Speaker 3: For like five months, five five six months, But soon

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as I got out, I stayed on the friend couch

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and then I moved straight to uh FEMA rooms in

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Houston and then we got it going.

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Speaker 1: And that's when you went and turned it all over

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the boxing and put your life into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, standing in the female rooms because I had a

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friend she could get FEMA rooms in her name. So

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I was just staying in Houston and I just started

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going to Main Street boxing gym.

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Speaker 2: And it just fell in fail in place everything.

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Speaker 1: And so now, like we were talking about, you got

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this important rematch with consas Ou coming up. You have

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opportunity to regain a portion of the one hundred and

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thirty pound title. And so my question then would be

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if that happens and you're the winner of the fight,

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like so many of us thought you won the first fight,

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what sort of fights after that are interested? I mean,

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you're you're one hundred and thirty pound way class. You know,

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you're with top rank. They promote never at the in

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Valdez who are fighting in a title fight later this year.

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There's other talented fighters. Is it move up to one

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hundred and thirty five pounds where there's also quality fighters?

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You know, you're I don't know if Lomachenko is gonna

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fight again, but he's got a belt, he's with top rank.

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You know, what kind of things do you have in

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your mind for your future if you regain this title?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, after we regained this title. I'm looking.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking for the winner of Oscar Vats and never

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say that that would be my first option. Anything outside

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of that Loma, any anything, I'm I'm hoping for any

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of the big fights. I'm not I'm not picking and

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choosing whoever, whoever it is. If it's a big fighter's weekend,

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we can unify. I can go up and fight for

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another title than he's the one.

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Speaker 2: I'm cool with it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope you're cool with it. Come up your

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fight with your renatural robson concasou uh coming up on

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November two at the Turning Stone Casino on ESPN plus

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so Shacky. I wish you the best of luck in

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the fight, and I really appreciate your time today.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you, brother. I appreciate you having