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Speaker 3: Warry and Lazy Juma to another edition of Joe Sport

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Speaker 4: Say what You're so glad to have you with us?

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Speaker 2: Coming up, today's show.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be joined by Jenny Carlson of the Oklahomama.

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Speaker 3: She is back talking all things oweu OSU and Thunder

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when she stops by Coming up in just a little

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while from right now, we'll have our big twelve sec breakdown,

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Tom Fullery Story of the week as well, coming up

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in just a matter of moments.

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Speaker 2: Coach Bow's out.

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Speaker 3: This week, but don't worry. We'll still have plenty of

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NFL and college football conversation throughout today's program, and we

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will also preview the NBA season, which is upon us

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less than a week away from when the season tips

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against the Houston Rockets. They'll raise the banner with Kevin

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Durant in the building. Cannot wait. We'll discuss that coming

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up later on in the show. Thamas bridges here with

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me as always and Tom. Some exciting things going on

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we can't quite say just yet. We'll call it a tease,

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I guess, a tease in the biz for folks at

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home ordering what's going on. I know a lot of

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you my dms have been active pretty much every day

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since August third, wondering what am I doing?

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Speaker 5: Where did I go?

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Speaker 3: And I have stayed pretty quiet, kind of enjoyed myself

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vacationed a little bit, enjoyed some time with family, but

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I am back and back better than ever. And we'll

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have some news to get to in the coming days ahead.

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Thomas is going to be involved, and I would say

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Tom that this thing that we will be telling the

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public here pretty soon is probably the biggest thing we've

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ever done before, and this show is going to be

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involved in it as well.

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Speaker 2: And I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's a fascinating, fun, exciting new chapter ahead.

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Speaker 5: It is a new chapter. How long we've been doing

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this show.

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Speaker 3: We've been doing this show since twenty I've been here

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since twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: You've been here since twenty twelve.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's the the I wonder if it's

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a new chapter. Is it like the sequel? Is it

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like the next book?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? For that length of time, it feels like a

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new book.

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Speaker 5: I think, Yeah, I think we're dropping a new book.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: And this is one where I think the sequel is

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actually better than the original story.

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Speaker 5: Right. Usually the sequels like usually the sequels like forced,

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like Disney they did Frozen. Can you just leave it

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at Frozen? Though? Or they got a milk it for

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all it's worth them do a frozen two. This is

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completely different.

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Speaker 2: Right, This is like what Grown Ups two was to

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the original Grown Ups.

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Speaker 5: It is like Pirates of the Caribbean two.

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Speaker 2: Yes we're not calling it Pirates of the Caribbean.

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Speaker 5: Though, Pirates of the Heartland.

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Speaker 2: Of the Heartland.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 2: But there's gonna be some cool stuff ahead. I can't

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really say too much.

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Speaker 3: We're at this at the time of this taping to

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kind of give people an inside baseball. Everything is lined up.

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We are just waiting for the contracts to be signed,

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the pen to hit the dotted line.

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Speaker 2: So if you're listening to this, you are.

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Speaker 3: Getting a real time update of everything that's happening right

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before your very eyes.

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Speaker 5: And we're always glad to have you with us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, indeed, And I gotta tell you like this

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this venture to kind of give some more insights to uh.

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You know, when I made this move, when uh we

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were looking for better opportunities, as some would say, Uh,

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I didn't necessarily know what that was going to entail

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and what that was going to be, but it was

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time and now that this kind of it really found us. Uh,

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this this next venture, which it's it's so crazy because

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you do all this looking around, you figure out, trying

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to figure out, Okay, what am I gonna do?

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Speaker 2: Where am I gonna go?

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Speaker 3: And this thing basically fell into our laps, and uh,

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it was one of those opportunities that we pretty much

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couldn't pass up on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, that's that's usually how

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the universe works. I think it's, uh, you just look

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and love and then you know, I'll just find you.

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It's kind of like looking for love. They say you

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won't find love if you're looking for it and finds you, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what is it?

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Speaker 3: They say that, you know, if you get a lot

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going for you, that it's best to just let let

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it happen naturally and not be on the lookout that

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it falls in your lap. And I guess that's what

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happened in this case for us of what this next

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endeavor is. And if you're listening to this show now,

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six minutes in, you're probably saying to yourself, Okay, this

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sounds exciting, but I still have no idea what the

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hell these guys are doing.

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Speaker 5: But me and Tyler are going to be the next

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Jeopardy hosts.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: We are replacing Ken Jennings because Ken Jennings cannot honor

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the legacy of Alex Treppek properly.

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Speaker 2: And so we will be the next host Jeopardy.

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Speaker 3: And uh, it's it's always been my calling to do

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host the host Jeopardy. Ryan Seacrests already beat me out

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for Will of Fortune, so we got the next best thing.

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I'd rather be hosting Will Fortune. But secrets is there,

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America's sweetheart. We got to settle for Jeopardy instead.

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Speaker 5: And we're going to fill in on family Feud from

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time to time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Steve Harvey's got too many jobs anyway,

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the few would be great.

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Speaker 2: Let's play the feud. We should go on family feud.

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Speaker 5: That would be sucking.

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Speaker 2: The Jones support family feud team me, you, Bow, and then.

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Speaker 3: David Starr. How many people do you need a family feud?

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Speaker 2: Is in four or five?

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Speaker 5: I think it's at least four.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I feel like Bowl would be very good at

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family feud.

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Speaker 5: Good Bo would be very good. I would take Bow

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on my team any day.

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Speaker 3: I would be trying to find a way to make

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Steve Harvey laugh, try to say something out of pocket.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I could see that. I could see that being

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Speaker 3: That would be my goal if we went on the

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family feud. I enjoy game shows. I don't watch them

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nearly as much as I used to. When I was

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a kid, Tom I watched will Fortune every night, and

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I had this like spinning wheel, and when they would

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spin the wheel and will Fortune, I'd spend my own

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wheel and I'd yell out, big money, big money, that's

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too good.

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Speaker 5: You know they're bringing back Fear Factor. Well, Johnny Knoxville as.

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Speaker 2: The host, Dave Portnoy almost hosted.

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Speaker 5: That, didn't he say he didn't want to deal with

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the disgusting see the disgusting stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he got too grossed out by it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't. I couldn't do it. If they put

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a bunch of spiders in there, now, I'd be like, no, yeah,

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I'll stick. I'll stick to Jeopardy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to eat this elephants? Semen? I

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don't think so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's too good.

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Speaker 3: Fear Factor back in the day, like you talk about

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people with a lot of jobs. Uh, Joe Rogan on

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Fear Factor was undefeated.

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Speaker 5: Oh he was, he was timeless. I mean what he

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went from Fear Factor to colin UFC and then started

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the pod and now he's just all over the place.

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Speaker 2: Kind of oh and doing his comedy.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the Mothership. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I remember years ago, even before all that, he was

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on this TV show called news Radio where he played

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a radio DJ and he was fantastic in that. Like

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people nowadays think of Joe Rogan, oh, the Joe Rogan experience,

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the UFC stuff, Like, No, Joe Rogan's had a fascinating career.

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just hustled where he went kind of just odd maybe

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not odd jobs, but there's not been There's a very

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broad category of things he does that I think if.

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Speaker 3: I could switch places with anybody, like live someone else's life,

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I might choose Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 5: Oh with the money he makes. Yeah, I wouldn't. I

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would do that. I would do that as well. I mean,

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and you know, do you already do a pod anyway

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you get Tyler Jones doing stand up comedian.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'd be all for it.

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Speaker 3: And he's so like fascinating of an individual. I mean,

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on top of just not just the jobs he does,

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Joe Rogan experience about the yes he brings on like

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Joe is a master of his craft. Like that show

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I mean there's only there's only so many

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people that can you know, you know, smoke cigarettes and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love Joe Rogan, but yeah, we will

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But it is something very exciting that we will be

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telling you in the coming dates ahead, so stay tuned

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for that. Tom would start in the National Football League,

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and let's begin with the Kansas City Chiefs, who defeated

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the Detroit Lions in I would say spectacular fashion. They

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played their best game of the season and it was

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a complete game. Now, I'll say this twofold, I'm not

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worried about the Detroit Lions. I know the Lions didn't

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look that great, but I still think that's a good

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football team that could very well win the NFC.

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Speaker 2: That may have been a Super Bowl preview.

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Speaker 3: That was my Super Bowl pick at the beginning of

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the year was Detroit in Kansas City. So I don't

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take too much away from Detroit losing as far as

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Kansas City goes. You have that two and three start,

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and then the offense really started clicking. Patrick Mahomes was

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on his a game. Xavier Worthy looked nice, the defense

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issues looked like that they were taking care of for

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the most parts. Now you get Rashi Rice back this

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week from suspension. Here you're sitting at three and three.

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Speaker 2: You got a tough schedule ahead after you played the

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Raiders this week.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think Tom part of the reason why

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of the earth. You know, the Broncos and Chargers, they

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the Chiefs to be in this position to have this

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gonna be just fine because they've benefited from everybody else

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not looking so hot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jones, I thought the Chiefs looked really well. I

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think they needed to as well. I thought, I don't

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want to necessarily call that a statement game, but that

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that ms is the kind of performance that we, you know,

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expect in the Kansas City Chiefs, so they can keep

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that up. You know, it's one game you got the

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Raiders this week. You mentionedere she Rice is back. It

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should be a nice little warm up game for him

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to get things back in motion because what he hasn't

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played in a year technically, yeah, over a year.

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Speaker 2: It was Week four against the Chargers last year.

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Speaker 5: So it should be you know, nice little you know,

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of him right out of the gate, but you know,

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something tells me he might be right back to form.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We saw this offense take a step up when Xavier

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Worthy was back into the fold, and what you would

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hope is that they can take another step up with

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Rashi Rice back into the equation. Now. One thing that

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seems kind of odd in Kansas City right now is

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this Josh Simmons situation starting left tackle. They drafted in

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the first round out of of Ohio States, and Josh

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Simmons looked fantastic to start the season.

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Speaker 2: He appeared to be.

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Speaker 3: The left tackle that they had been looking for for

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the last several years, as that's been a revolving door

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from Orlando Brown to you know, Eric Fisher and you

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know a number of guys, and that's been one of

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the few flaws that I've seen in Brett Veach is

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not sharing up that position, which is arguably the second

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most important position on the football field. But nonetheless, Simmons

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looked really good and then we find out that he

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was questionable and then he wasn't with the team and

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did not play against Detroit. Jalen Moore, who they signed

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from San Francisco last year the last offseason, did a

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really good job stepping in. And now we've heard that

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Josh Simmons isn't around. We've heard rumblings that they're there's

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a family situation going on. I've also heard that there's

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some mental health concerns. I'll be frank with y'all. I

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don't know what in the hell is going on with

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Josh Simmons right now. I hope that he's okay personally.

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I hope he's getting the family time or the help

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or whatever he needs. I'm not going to dive into that.

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That's not my business, but I think it is there

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to say, it's a very odd situation, and it certainly

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puts things in flux because you wonder, Okay, when is

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he coming back? Is he going to get past all this?

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You've invested a lot in him. He's a very important player,

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not saying that Jalen Moore can't get the job done.

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You spent fifteen million dollars a year on Jalen Moore.

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You believe in him for a reason. But it is

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very strange what exactly's going on here, And we just

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don't have any answers here. And you know, I know

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that every situation is different, but Tom, when we've seen

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these things in the past, sometimes it doesn't necessarily end well.

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Like I look back last year, Connor Williams with the

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Seahawks took some time away and said that he had

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to deal with a family matter and then he just

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retired in the middle of the season and everybody's like,

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what the hell. So I hope things are okay, but

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it does seem very strange to say the least.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of a strange situation. I don't feel

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like there's enough there to know what's really going on.

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I'm sure they'd love to have him back, but you know,

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if it is something, you know, mental health thing, then

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you got to be you gotta be somewhat careful and

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you know, be understanding.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, no question, no question about it.

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Speaker 3: We have our first head coach firing of the year,

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Brian Callahan out out of Tennessee. It was a disastrous

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tenure for Brian Callahan. Last year was horrible. This year

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wasn't going any better. And I think the big reason

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why two things they make this move now. Number one,

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not only are they not winning football games. Cam Ward

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has looked pretty promising, but they have showed no signs

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of life around him. There is no vote of confidence

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to say that Brian Callahan is going to be the

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right guy to develop cam Ward when everything else is

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going wrong. When cam Ward is your franchise quarterback in

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your investment there. I'm not sitting there saying, you know what, Yeah,

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Callahan's the guy I want training him and reaching his

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full potential. The other thing, I think why they made

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this pretty soon the Titans are going to be playing

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the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 6: And.

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Speaker 3: In case you haven't been paying attention, folks, Mike Vrabel,

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the former Tennessee Titans head coach, is doing a hell

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of a job with a New England Patriots and they

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got a chance to make the playoffs this year.

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Speaker 2: And I thought it was a mistake when they fired

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Vrabel to begin with.

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Speaker 3: I've said for a long time, I think Vrabel is

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a top five coach in this league, and you're already

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seeing him and Drake may develop. And you know when

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he got fired from Tennessee, I don't think it had

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to do performance base. I think it was more so

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a conflict between him and the owner, Amy Adams that

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weren't on the same page. And I think that they

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didn't want Callahan, the guy that they replaced Vrabel with,

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to go in there and be embarrassed by his predecessor

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Mike Vrabel.

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Speaker 2: I think that had something to do with it. Of

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why you make this change. Now. I look at that

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Titans job, Tom.

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Speaker 3: I know that there's not a ton of Titans fans

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out there, it's not a big fan base, but that

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job's got so much potential. When you have a young

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franchise quarterback in cam Ward, You're playing in Nashville, you

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got a new stadium coming, and all these things there

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that that to me, with the right coach and the

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right GM like, if you can get those things figured out,

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I think the Tennessee Titans can be a sleeping giant

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in this league. I think it's the right call to

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move on from Callahan, but I think it's gonna be

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vital for them to get this next higher.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I think so too. And you know, I

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think them firing Rabel was a little too soon. You know,

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the grass isn't always greener. I mean what Vrabel got

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him to a conference championship game, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, got him to the best record in the AFC

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one year. Yeah, with with Ryan Tannehill at quarterback, right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, And so I get it that they probably

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fired him because Rabel's you know, they have to face

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Rabel and that that's not gonna look pretty. And you

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know it is not going to hold back. I can't

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imagine a guy like Rabel hold him back this week.

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So you have that, and then I mean, you're right

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about Nashville. Nashville could be such a fun NFL city

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if the Titans were worth the ship. I mean, with

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the new stadium being right close to downtown, I mean,

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Nashville has the potential to be a really, a really

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fun NFL city. I mean, obviously, right now, I feel

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like it's you know, any NHL town with with the

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Predators kind of being good as of recent or at

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least decent.

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Speaker 2: I would I would take takes a step further.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the Titans, you know, in in their

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history since moving over from the Oilers, they have one

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Super Bowl appearance where they were a yard short, one

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of Tom's favorite childhood memories.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Mike Jones, Uh yes, who Mike Jones.

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Speaker 3: They had that, and they really just haven't done much

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and there's no aura surrounding that team. I think now,

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Tom would be a great time for the Titans to

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do a complete overhaul, do a rebrand. I know they're

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the only team in the state of Tennessee and they

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started in Memphis playing in the Liberty Bowl because they

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were building Nissan Stadium.

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Speaker 2: But I would I would rebrand.

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Speaker 3: I would give them a Nashville specific name, you know,

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take out Tennessee, go by Nashville, give them a new

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mascot like I would basically start over and treat that

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like a brand new franchise when you get this new stadium.

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Speaker 2: That's what i'd recommend.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jims, I agree. I think you could, you know,

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maybe change up the logo a little bit. I think

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you keep the colors, you know, and just roll out,

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you know, go to go to a marketing firm, throw

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a bunch of money at them, and then you want

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to capture hearts and minds of the young children in Nashville.

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And you had mentioned previously about being a small fan base.

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I think you get this team off the ground with

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as many people that come and go to Nashville. I

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think it's less kind of like the Raiders being in Vegas,

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but I think you could really it gets kind of

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like the Rams moving back from Saint Louis to LA

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There's already so many Chargers in San Francisco, forty nine

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ers fans, so it takes a little bit to get

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it off the ground. And and get those fans in

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the stands. But Nashville, being the city that it is,

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you get that, get a new stadium, you know, get

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a nice little, you know, small rebrand in there. And

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I agree with that. I think it has a lot

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of potential.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think it'd be great for

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the Titans kind of hit that reset button and.

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Speaker 5: Go from there.

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Speaker 3: The Philadelphia Eagles lost their second straight game this past week,

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losing in blowout fashion to the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Credit where credits Dude.

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Speaker 3: Jackson Dart has looked really good to start his NFL

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career and has been an upgrade from Russell Wilson. I've

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been impressed with what Jackson Dard has done. Cam scattab

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who's been fantastic, still can't believe that dude fell the

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fourth round and people were talking about this guy playing

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full back and look at the impact he's done. But

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you look at the Eagles and Jalen Hurts. His play

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has kind of slipped the last couple of weeks. The

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defense doesn't look like what it was last year. They've

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had to call up more blitz packages compared to when

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last season they were able just to rush with their

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defensive line and spread you out that way, and they've

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kind of lost that ability of sorts. With that said,

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kind of like what we talked about with Kansas City. Tom,

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I'm not worried about Philadelphia, though. I think the Eagles

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are still got the inside track in their division. I

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don't believe in Dallas. I still don't believe in the Giants,

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and the Commanders have been kind of up and down.

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You know this, this is the National Football League. Not

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everything is going to be easy peasy. The Eagles have

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won so many games in the last two years.

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Speaker 5: I know this.

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Speaker 3: This sounds kind of, you know, easy to say, but

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I feel like you can make the case the Eagles

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were just kind of do I think this team's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be fine.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna work through this. Sirianni's a good coach. I

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don't think this is like what it was a couple

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of years ago when they ended up losing what was it,

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their final five games and got eliminated in.

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Speaker 2: The wildcard round by the Bucks. I don't think it's

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that type of lull here.

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Speaker 3: I think that they're just kind of going through some

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growing pains, figuring this stuff out, and they're gonna be okay.

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Speaker 2: Are you worried about the Eagles, you should.

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Speaker 5: No, definitely, definitely not. And I'm not a believer yet

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in the Giants. I know, you know, Cams Kataboo and

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and and Jackson Darr. That's a fun little dude. That's it.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: It kind of feels like when the Bengals popped up

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a little bit with with Joe Burrow coming on the scene,

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when they started to kind of make a run. Kind

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of maybe feels like what the Giants are. They're a

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couple of years away. I think maybe next year they'd

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even take a bigger step. Neighbors comes back healthy. Uh,

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You're right about the Commanders. They're wishy, washy up and down. Obviously.

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I don't believe in Dallas. It's really the Eagles to

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lose here, and I think, you know, they're going through

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some growing pains and figuring different things out. It's not

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easy to get back to the super Bowl unless your

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name is Andy Reid. But there's ties there too, so

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I think the Eagles will be just fine.

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Speaker 3: Before we talk about some games this week, we mentioned

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Brian Callahan getting fired, Tom that Dolphins Brown's game on Sunday,

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00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,799
h you know, featuring of course Kevinski, Yes, and Mike McDonald.

476
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:55,279
I'm gonna go ahead and throw this one out there

477
00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:58,559
for you, Tom. Both teams have struggled so much coaches

478
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,640
are on the hot seat. I think the loser of

479
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,759
that game's got to fire their coach immediately.

480
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if the Dolphins do win it, I I

481
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,000
think it's I think it's gonna take nothing short of

482
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:13,839
a miracle for Mike McDonald to survive the season in Miami.

483
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,319
Speaker 2: Same with Stefanski too.

484
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean unless Dylan Gabriel comes out looking

485
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:27,480
like you know, some Peyton Manning, you know, you know

486
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,759
type quarterback h and can save the Browns. I mean,

487
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,920
I don't. I don't know what franchise right now. It

488
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,319
would be worse to be a fan of, you know.

489
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:42,200
With the Miami Dolphins, I feel like there was hopes

490
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,400
and dreams. You got tyre killing and you get all

491
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:47,960
you know, you're okay. We had Jalen Ramsey at one

492
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:50,279
point and two if you can stay healthy, we got

493
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,640
Jayleen la Walla. We got to the fastest receivers in

494
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,880
the league. We're gonna be airing it out on people

495
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,920
left and right. And then to have that just crater

496
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,480
in on itself, or you can be a Browns fan

497
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:04,920
and this is just another season to you. Yeah, another

498
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,920
miserable season. I don't know which is worse to be

499
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,000
a fan of. That's definitely gonna be a Sickos game, yeah,

500
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:11,440
I think so.

501
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some games around the National Football League

502
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,319
kind of rapid fire, real quick. This week, Tom will

503
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,759
start with your Rams taking on the Jags. Both teams

504
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,400
at four and two. The Rams two and a half

505
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,279
point favorites, the Jags coming off a loss at home

506
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:30,359
to the Seattle Seahawks. The Jags defense has been fantastic.

507
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,279
They've done a really good job of creating takeaways. Trevor

508
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,039
Lawrence is playing better. Rams look like a legitiff football team.

509
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,799
This game's in London. I could see this one going

510
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,759
either way. I lean towards the Rams here, but I

511
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,359
feel like if you're gonna beat the Jags, you have

512
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,640
to take care of the football, and Kyron Williams kind

513
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,559
of has me a little bit concerned with it with

514
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,400
his play of late.

515
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: If he can protect the football there.

516
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, he didn't do it on Thursday a

517
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,480
couple of weeks ago against the forty nine Ers that

518
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:06,440
cost him the game. You know, the Rams didn't really

519
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920
look too good against the Ravens last week, who are

520
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:13,039
down real bad. I could easily see the Rams losing

521
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,880
this game. Obviously, I hope they win, but uh, the

522
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,559
Jags are quietly you know. I know they lost the

523
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Seahawks team, which Seahawks are looking pretty good as well.

524
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,920
But yeah, I can see this going either way. I'm

525
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,519
not sure yet if Pooka Nakua is gonna play. He

526
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,480
was hurting the Ravens game. He did come back to

527
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,799
play in the game, but Rams have a bye next week.

528
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,519
I think if Nakua does play, he gets maybe half

529
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,359
the reps and they're gonna you know, they're looking for

530
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,880
that bye week to get some people healthy. I think

531
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,880
one of the main starters on the line, Rob haven Stein,

532
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,759
is still out. Like to have him back and get

533
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:57,759
that line at full strength again. So I don't know

534
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:00,559
if that game is gonna be eight thirty our time.

535
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,839
I like to sleep in on a Sunday, but I

536
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:09,680
guess for the Rams, all go get Starbucks and watch

537
00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:11,240
them play overseas.

538
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:12,559
Speaker 2: Watch it from bed.

539
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:16,559
Speaker 3: Just lay down and get a cup of coffee and

540
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,839
you'll be You'll be getting up off the bed when uh,

541
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,240
when the Rams give up their first touchdown or something.

542
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: Eagles taking on the Vikings.

543
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: Tom I want to call this must win for the

544
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,240
Eagles just yet, but it does feel like a get

545
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:35,720
right game. The Vikings are still questionable with JJ McCarthy.

546
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,039
We don't know if he's gonna be back or not yet.

547
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,480
Carson Wentz has you know, kind of been up and

548
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:44,480
down so far filling in that role you're going on

549
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:49,279
the road here. Uh, this this is one where I'll.

550
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: Put it this way.

551
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,559
Speaker 3: The Eagles should win, and the Eagles should get back

552
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,319
on track. But if they don't, then I'll start to

553
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,599
raise my eyebrows a bit. I feel like we're gonna

554
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,759
learn a lot about the Eagles. I don't think the

555
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,480
Vikings are that great anyway, but this to me is

556
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:06,079
more about the Eagles than it is the Vikings.

557
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:09,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be very shocked if the Eagles dropped this game. This,

558
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,240
I agree this for like a get right game and uh,

559
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:16,920
not a very tough opponent. I mean, you know, you

560
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,599
still do have to face Justin Jefferson. That's not you know,

561
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,720
he can all eat any game. He can go off.

562
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,559
But if you can't get him in the ball, then

563
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,680
you know, I think Eagles will probably try to lock

564
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:32,720
him down and secure this game and hopefully stay injury

565
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:33,880
free if you're an Eagles fan.

566
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:35,559
Speaker 2: Colts and Chargers.

567
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: The Colts the biggest surprise of the year in the

568
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,119
National Football League at five and one. The Chargers are

569
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,839
four and two. The Chargers are very banged up, though

570
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,640
they are at home. Daniel Jones playing some really good football.

571
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,039
I said going into the year, I liked that Chargers

572
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,519
the Colts roster, but I had questions about the quarterback position.

573
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:59,000
But Daniel Jones is doing his parts and going up

574
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,440
against the depleted Chargers team. The Colts, I'll go as

575
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,480
far as say, Tom, you win this, you go to

576
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:09,160
six and one. I think the Colts are pretty much

577
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,279
playoff bound, barring a you know, catastrophic collapse. I think

578
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,279
if you're a Colts fan, that's what I would look at.

579
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,240
We win this, then we're we're in really good shape

580
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,640
going forward from here. I think that's because it's a

581
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,799
it's a good Chargers team, it's on the road here.

582
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: That that's how I would view this. If if Indianapolis

583
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,880
wins this, they're they're for real.

584
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. And you know they were in

585
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,920
LA not too not too many weeks ago. If if

586
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,200
you're the Colts, I'm leaving ad n I Mitchell in Indianapolis.

587
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:44,200
He doesn't get to go playing so far again. Uh,

588
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:48,039
Chargers are one and a half point favorite. Surprising that

589
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,079
they're you know, you said they're a little banged up.

590
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,839
I like the Colts. I like what I saw against Colts.

591
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,160
Ram got lucky against the Colts. You know, that's how

592
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,799
it shakes out sometimes. But I like the Coast to

593
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,359
win this game and.

594
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: Then on Monday Night Football, the Bucks taking on the Lions.

595
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,359
Baker Mayfield has looked like the MVP in the NFL

596
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,279
this year. He's been fantastic. But man, we talked about

597
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,400
this with TJ a couple weeks ago. The injuries are

598
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,680
piling up. We could be looking at a Monday Night

599
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:21,880
where the Bucks might be without Godwin Evans and their

600
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,480
star rookie Mechabuca. And credit to Baker, it hasn't mattered

601
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:31,000
that they've had these wide receiver injuries. He's finding wide

602
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:35,079
receivers growing off trees. We've seen Sterling Sheppard step up

603
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,319
last week. Tesz Johnson their rookie out of Oregon made

604
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,920
some big catches, but eventually these things kind of catch

605
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,319
up to you. You're going on Detroit, going on the

606
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,119
road to Detroit. I know they're going to be without

607
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,640
Brian Branch who was suspended and rightfully so, by the way,

608
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,039
that was cheap on his part at the end of

609
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:56,160
that game. But Detroit at home, coming to that loss

610
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,519
against Kansas City and with needing a win after not

611
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,720
looking so great last week, and the way the Bucks

612
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:06,119
are banged up this one, I would be surprised if

613
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,000
the Lions don't find a way to win at home.

614
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, and for the Lions too after losing

615
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,079
to the Chiefs, I think this is one you need

616
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,320
if you're the Lions. I feel it's kind of like

617
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,039
a you know, if they do lose this one to

618
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,159
a banged up Bucks team, then then you kind of

619
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:31,199
start saying, well, what's going on in the Detroit So

620
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,960
I think this is not a must win, but they

621
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,280
should take care of business. There we have it.

622
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: That's our look around the National Football League. Jenny Carlson said,

623
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,000
to join us comeing up in just a little while

624
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,639
from right now. But before we do that, let's get

625
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,960
to this week's Big twelve Sec breakdown. It is the

626
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,840
Big twelve Sec Breakdown top But Joe Whiche's here with

627
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,159
you where the contprhensid what a bold the Big twelve

628
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,360
and Southeastern Conference which.

629
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,039
Speaker 2: We begin each and every weekends we do.

630
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: With our hot take. And last week Tom I'm talked

631
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,400
about Sark and I had my doubts about him. This week,

632
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:09,239
I'm gonna turn my attention to the man he faced

633
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,800
in Brent Fennibles and it was a disappointing showing from

634
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,480
the Sooners. John Mattier with three interceptions, The offense only

635
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,960
managed to score six points. Second straight red River that

636
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,480
OU does not have an offensive touchdown.

637
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: It was a bad day for OU all around. That

638
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:30,800
was inexcusable.

639
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:32,639
Speaker 3: We could have sat here and if that would have

640
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:36,679
been a close loss, I think OU fans would have been, Okay,

641
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,760
you know what, it sucks, but at least you were competitive.

642
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,639
Speaker 2: At least you have something to hang your hat on.

643
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 3: There is nothing good that came out of that performance

644
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,360
from Oklahoma against Texas last week. Even the defense gave

645
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,639
up some big plays. Special teams gave up that punt

646
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,000
return touchdown, which there was probably about three block in

647
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:59,280
the back calls that were missed.

648
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:01,159
Speaker 2: But I digress.

649
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: With that being said, here's the bottom line when it

650
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,960
comes to print vnables here, this is year four, okay,

651
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,039
and I'm just tired of these excuses. When it comes

652
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:17,159
to print fennobles. The first year, it was, well, they

653
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,039
lost so much of the roster, okay. And then the

654
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:26,800
second year, it was, well, we see improvements and they're

655
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,360
trending in the right direction, but still can't beat KU,

656
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,639
still can't beat Oklahoma State. And the excuses were, well,

657
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:36,159
the Big twelve officials are out to get us, while

658
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,920
Texas proceeded to win the league that year, but I

659
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:43,000
end okay. And then last year the excuses was, well,

660
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,559
the offensive line sucks, and you know, this is their

661
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:48,320
first year in the SEC and it's going to be

662
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,840
a bit of a transition and all this. And now

663
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,440
we hear here we are in year four, and the

664
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:57,960
excuses I'm hearing now are, well, look at his assistant coaches,

665
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,960
you know, Joe John Finlay, Marco Murray, Bill beaten Bow.

666
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,760
These guys just don't have what it takes that you know,

667
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:09,800
they need a better staff than this. It's year four now, Okay,

668
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,800
Marcus Freeman was hired at the same time as Brent

669
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,719
Ventibles was and they were contending for a national championship

670
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,719
last year at Notre Dame. Okay, I'm just running out

671
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,639
of excuses. And my take is with this, I think

672
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:32,719
Tom that the James Franklin situation has a trickle down effect.

673
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: Here's what I mean.

674
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,599
Speaker 3: If Penn State can be a couple plays away from

675
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,639
playing for a national title last year, and Penn State

676
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,920
has a whole lot more winning with James Franklin than

677
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,199
Oklahoma has had with Brent Vinibles, Okay, if they can

678
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,320
justify after a three game skid, and it's a skid.

679
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:57,119
I didn't think James Franklin deserved to be fired, but

680
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:00,679
they felt otherwise. They moved don for it, and they

681
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,199
paid that fifty million dollar buyo. If if Brent doesn't

682
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:09,320
figure things out, if they go on a skid, I

683
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,719
very well could see a coaching change happening in Norman.

684
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds like a big overreaction. They

685
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:16,159
just lost one game.

686
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: They still have everything in front of them, They can

687
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:20,480
still make the playoff, they can still win the SEC

688
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:23,960
and all these things. But I think that that franklin

689
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:28,960
firing is a landscape shift where it puts everyone else unnoticed,

690
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,719
where they're saying, Hey, if Penn State can make a

691
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,039
change like that, why are we going to sit here

692
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,360
and be content with our own situation. I think the

693
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,920
pressure is as high on prinvitables as it's ever been before.

694
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,239
If they struggle down the stretch, if they go on

695
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,559
a losing streak here, if they don't put it together,

696
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,360
then why you're wasting time with printvitibles.

697
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 5: You know, I was actually going to go to Norman

698
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,800
as well. I agree with all your points, especially the

699
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,280
down part about James Franklin. And you know, if they

700
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,719
can fire him, then you know, why are we dealing

701
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,239
with this bullshit? Why would we or OU were held

702
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,440
to a higher standard or whatever they want to say?

703
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: In State, Tom, I think is a great job. But oh,

704
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,440
you is a much better program than Penn State.

705
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and so if they can do that, and Penn

706
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000
State was within a couple of players from the Natty, Uh,

707
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,360
you know what a OU could and should be doing better? Uh,

708
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,920
you go out and get Matier, who I don't know

709
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,559
if he was ready to come back. You know, he

710
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,599
hadn't played in a couple of hard New weeks and

711
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:40,960
you know, the big stage, and you know, I think

712
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,519
that was kind of a Heisman hopeful game for him,

713
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:46,760
as if he you know, went out and lit up

714
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,440
Texas and he did everything but just throwing long darts

715
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,760
all over the field to you know, more hit. Almost

716
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,639
seemed like he hit more Texas players than he did

717
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,679
OU players at times. And you know, I think for

718
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,119
Brett Vinibles here my when I was saying I was

719
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,840
going to go to Norman, I was thinking about this

720
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:13,199
this upcoming week. You go and you play a South

721
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,679
Carolina team who was three and three. They're kind of,

722
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,400
you know, they had higher hopes for this season. Now

723
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,639
sitting at three and three, they're pretty much all but

724
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,880
out of it. It's not gonna be an easy place

725
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:33,840
to play. You play at eleven forty five and so

726
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:38,920
early morning game on the road, you just lost to Texas.

727
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,239
What's this OU team made of? If they go on

728
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,960
there and lay an egg against South Carolina? I think,

729
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:49,159
you know, if the seats off for Brett Vinables, you

730
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,400
might as well get the fires extinguisher because it'll be

731
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:56,960
on fire after that. I think I'm going to what

732
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:58,400
this team is like to.

733
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,679
Speaker 3: Add to your point, Tom, North Carolina's probably the easiest

734
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:05,679
team remaining on their schedule exactly this This is a

735
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,800
must win game this week. If you lose to South Carolina,

736
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,880
then it's it could get ugly from here.

737
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, I think. I mean after this, like

738
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,719
you mentioned, it doesn't get any easier. And I'm not

739
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,679
exactly sure if does Brent Vinibles if they go out

740
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:28,760
and lose in the same fashion they did to Texas,

741
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,480
do you think Venables comes back to Norman? Are they

742
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,199
gonna be so? Are they gonna be true? Is it?

743
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,480
I mean, we've had a lot of coaches fired already,

744
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,239
and we're halfway through the season, and there are a

745
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,559
lot of job openings, uh, and there are a lot

746
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:50,159
of This is the biggest coaching carousel already and Billy

747
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,280
Napier hasn't even been fired yet. This is gonna be

748
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,280
the biggest coaching carousel and biggest coaching change off season

749
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,920
that we've seen in a long time.

750
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: Right, and then you got coaches that will leave for

751
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,159
those other jobs, which will create openings as well. You know,

752
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,440
It's it's gonna be a very interesting cycle of what's ahead.

753
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,639
And we'll talk about James Franklin in his future in

754
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,519
just a moment. But another thing on Brent Vinibles while

755
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:21,719
we continue.

756
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 2: To go after the man here.

757
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: This week, he says that he was asked about the

758
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,599
one score games, how things are so close in the

759
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,320
SEC and Venables made the point he said, Hey, this

760
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,599
isn't the old days of the Big Twelve anymore. We're

761
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:43,800
OU's dominating everybody every week except one team. And then

762
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,360
he got clowned on x by the Big Twelve, who

763
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:51,719
quote tweeted a tweet from George Stoyer from a Sooner scoop,

764
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,599
and the Big Twelve said, Brent Vnnibles lost to combine

765
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,480
eight games in two seasons at Oklahoma in the Big Twelve.

766
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, Tom, two things can be true.

767
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 3: I tend to say this a lot on this show,

768
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,000
but for good reason, Brent vnnibles what he said was accurate,

769
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:16,320
was right, but he is the wrong messenger for that

770
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:21,400
message to be delivered. Oklahoma did dominate the Big Twelve,

771
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:26,159
and it will take years for anybody to be able

772
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:28,519
to catch up to them in the number of Big

773
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:32,880
Twelve conference titles that they had compared to everybody else

774
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,400
that's in the Big twelve now and second most was

775
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,320
what Texas, and Texas was way behind. OHU, that is true.

776
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,000
But Brent Fvnnibles, you're coming off a loss of Texas

777
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,679
where you played like shit. Okay, you did not have

778
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,480
a good track record in the Big Twelve conference here,

779
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,079
you set yourself up for that, and some people are

780
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,119
gonna say, oh, it's petty by the Big Twelve. Well,

781
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,679
the Big twelve is looking for any publicity they can get.

782
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,239
I don't blame them one bit for chomping at the

783
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,599
opportunity to call out Brent Vnables and go viral and

784
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:12,440
social media. The intern saw that tweet, came up with

785
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,400
something and probably got a nice pat on the bat

786
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,639
from Brett Yormark, maybe a little pay.

787
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:22,679
Speaker 2: Bump or something. I look at this and yes, the

788
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,920
point he made was accurate, but it's not him that

789
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,719
should be saying that.

790
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:31,559
Speaker 3: If Bob Stoop said that, nobody bats an eye. Everybody says, yep, Bob,

791
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:34,159
you dominated the Big Twelve. But Brent, you have nothing

792
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,679
to stand on. I mean, they won when he was

793
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,159
defensive coordinator, but you weren't the head coach, So I

794
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,199
have no issue. Well, what the Big Twelve said I

795
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,519
do have issue with Brent Vnibles running his mouth on

796
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:47,719
stuff he can't back up.

797
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, he could even said well, he

798
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,800
shouldn't have said any Yeah, I mean, you're right, he

799
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,159
shouldn't be able to say anything because I mean, yeah,

800
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,320
sure he was a and some coordinator there for a

801
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,000
while and their stoops and you know it went on

802
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,880
to Clemson to have some success as well. But you know,

803
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,000
when you lose, like in the fashion that day loss,

804
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:16,559
it wasn't it wasn't even really competitive after the first

805
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,760
quarter at that point, that that is not time to

806
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:26,239
to be uh, you know, giving anybody the smoke. That's

807
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,000
that's the time to just you know, take your take

808
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,840
your loss on the gin and and say hey, we're

809
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,280
you know, we're looking forward to to figuring it out

810
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,559
against South Carolina. You know, you could even say, hey,

811
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,679
maybe we put Materia in too soon, Maybe he wasn't

812
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,719
completely ready to go. I mean they were. You could

813
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,360
even maybe even mention the offensive line didn't play that well,

814
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,719
and you could even be up front and office and say, hey,

815
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,960
Sark was ready, I got out coached. Or moving forward

816
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,599
to South Carolina, which still have a lot a lot

817
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:07,199
more games left and we are still in this thing.

818
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:13,480
But no, he just said, oh, well, let's go after

819
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,960
the Big twelve, who supposedly doesn't even matter now that

820
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,880
they're in the SEC. I just thought that was a very,

821
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,760
i don't know, like an amateur ass comment.

822
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.

823
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 5: It was.

824
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,079
Speaker 3: It was out of line, it was out of place,

825
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:34,599
and he got the smoke and rightfully so I don't

826
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:38,119
blame them one bed for that. We mentioned James Franklin. Tom,

827
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,159
Let's talk about the Penn State situation first. When it

828
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,719
comes to potential candidates for that job, it seems like

829
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,880
Penn State is gonna swing big, that they're going to

830
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,599
drop that big dick energy to try to fill that role.

831
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,800
There's talk that they could pursue Marcus Freeman from Notre Dame.

832
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,920
We've seen Matt rule is a popular name. And Matt

833
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,079
Ruhle is doing better than I think he's given credit

834
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,199
for at Nebraska, and they went five and seven his

835
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,320
first year, seven and five last year. They're five and

836
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,840
one right now. And he did a great job at Temple,

837
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,880
great job at Baylor. The Panthers gig was not so hot,

838
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,880
but that seems like a natural hiring for them. I

839
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,320
know some people were talking, you know, could Sam Levitt

840
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:26,559
or not Sam Levin, that's his quarre.

841
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 5: College.

842
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 3: Could Kenny Dillingham make that jump? Could Lance Lighthold make

843
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:40,480
that jump? I would be very surprised if there's a

844
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,400
Big twelve coach, or even an SEC coach for that matter.

845
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,639
I think everybody's kind of gonna stay where there are.

846
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,400
I don't think you know Sark or Kirby. You know

847
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,039
they're gonna throw a ton of cash. But I think

848
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:59,800
right now I would be surprised if it's If it's

849
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,760
not Matt ruhle A is the next head coach at

850
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,320
Penn State. I think that you know Kenny Dillingham, for example,

851
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,519
his name's gonna come up for a number of jobs.

852
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:11,480
But I would be surprised if it's this Penn State job.

853
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:16,000
It seems like all signs point to, you know, Matt

854
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,119
Rule getting that job. I even saw Joel Klatt said

855
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:21,079
that they should try to swing from Nick Saban. I

856
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,119
don't think Nick Saban's coming out of retirement to go

857
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:25,920
to Penn State. I can tell you that right now,

858
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:30,239
I don't see those odds being very high but if

859
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,039
you're a Big twelve or SEC program, you're worried about

860
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,400
losing your coach Penn State, I don't think you should

861
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,519
probably be worried right now.

862
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 5: Now, I can see Matt Rule. Matt Rule is from

863
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,159
that area, right yeah.

864
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't think that they're gonna another Matt

865
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,800
Matt Campbell. I think that Penn State is going to

866
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,760
be a little bit too up at em. Matt Campbell

867
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,079
I think could be a good hire for them, but

868
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:57,800
I think that their ego is going to get in

869
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,559
the way of even considering Matt Campbell.

870
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could see that. I mean another name I've heard,

871
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,000
Kurt Signetti from Indiana. I think Indiana is gonna they

872
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,239
have Mark Cuban money. They're not gonna let him go.

873
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna be their first phone call, and they

874
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,199
have to make that phone call. But I don't see

875
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:19,000
him going there. Yeah, they got a really good thing going.

876
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:23,280
Big win for Indiana against Oregon this past week. As

877
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,000
far as James Franklin's future goes tom, I could see

878
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:29,440
a number of fits for him within the Big twelve

879
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:33,039
or the SEC. So to kind of get perspective on this,

880
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,000
the way his buyout is structured. He has to be

881
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:43,320
actively looking for TV or coaching jobs in order to.

882
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: Get his buyout money.

883
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:49,079
Speaker 3: And so what could happen is, Tom, you could have

884
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:53,840
a school, any school for that matter, Say James, let's

885
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,719
hire you, and let's only pay you one or two

886
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,599
million dollars and then make Penn State pay the rest

887
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:04,280
of your money. And we're gonna take the money we

888
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,079
would be spending on your coaching contract, and we're gonna

889
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:10,800
dump that into nil. Could be five to seven million

890
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,159
a year in extra nil money, essentially. And James Franklin,

891
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:18,960
who I think is a very good coach and would

892
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,719
be great from a number of programs, all of a

893
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,679
sudden you factor that and that becomes a whole lot

894
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,119
more attractive, and you know, of these potential Big twelve

895
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:32,320
and SEC jobs. Florida I think makes a ton of sense,

896
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:37,480
Auburn I think makes a ton of sense, Oklahoma State, Arkansas.

897
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,559
I think everybody should be calling James Franklin. I would

898
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:43,079
think that Florida is probably the most likely option.

899
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 5: Though, Yeah, that does seem about right. And you wonder

900
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,159
when Billy Napier gets fired. You know that went against

901
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,800
Texas Elliman for another week or so or however, maybe

902
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,039
who knows how long he he could be them? Who

903
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:04,480
was the Kansas State? No, it was Bruce Webber. Yeah,

904
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:08,000
he gived me the Bruce Webber Uh there at Florida

905
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:11,760
forball instead of basketball. Uh. I'll tell you out of

906
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,360
the box, outside of the box team that I would

907
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:20,719
would just throw out there and guess, and I think could.

908
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,360
I don't know how much money they have, but kind

909
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,119
of to your point, pay him the one or high

910
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,599
many million a year and then dump the rest in

911
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:33,719
the nil. Hey remember when Stanford was good? Yeah? What

912
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,679
about Stanford? Yeah?

913
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: I mean the guy Vanderbilt.

914
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:43,599
Speaker 3: For as much as everybody talks about that, James Franklin

915
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:44,599
couldn't win the big game.

916
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,079
Speaker 2: He won it Vandy, all right.

917
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: If he can win in Vandy, Winnipenn State, maybe he's

918
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:53,119
not gonna win you a national title. But this guy

919
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,000
averaged ten wins this season.

920
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 5: Every year.

921
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: He's a good coach.

922
00:51:57,159 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 3: He can he can win at his next stop and

923
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,920
be in good shape, and you potentially resurrected program. I

924
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,159
think North Carolina could be a possibility too, if they

925
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,159
move on from Belichick and if they want a real

926
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,000
college coach. James Franklin could be their guy. So yeah,

927
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,840
James Franklin, he will not be unemployed for long. If

928
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,480
he's not coaching next year, it's because he doesn't want

929
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,679
to be coaching next year. One more thing before we

930
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,800
get to our game previews for this week, Tom, let's

931
00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:29,119
touch on what in the hell is going on with

932
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:33,119
Arizona State. Levitt was out last week. Now he's gonna

933
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:36,760
be the next head coach at Penn State with the

934
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,800
jury and they looked horrible and you got blown out

935
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,840
by Utah what was it, forty two to ten? That

936
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,199
game got away from them quick, and even if Sam

937
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,840
Levitt played, there's no way that Sam Levitt is the

938
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,599
difference of thirty two points. They were gonna lose whether

939
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:55,320
Levit played or not. I don't think Sims is a

940
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,960
very good backup to begin with. But nonetheless, this week

941
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:03,480
they play on a Texas Tech team that we talked

942
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,679
last week, Tom, I think Texas Tech looks like a

943
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,079
national title caliber team. I don't like the way they

944
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:14,920
handled things with Kansas last week. Of you know the

945
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,719
you had the tortillas and then there was the pocket

946
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,000
knife that was allegedly thrown on the field. But it

947
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:24,760
wasn't thrown on the field, and then you wonder why

948
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,440
was the pocket knife there? And Lance Leipold gets fine

949
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:31,320
for you know, being accused of being a liar and

950
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,119
all this. I'm like, it was a bunch of bs.

951
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,079
I defend my guy Lance to the end. He did

952
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:39,320
nothing wrong. He was just trying to protect his team.

953
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:46,239
But nonetheless, with that said, I think Tom that Arizona State,

954
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,119
we'll talk more about this game in our game previewing

955
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:48,360
a bit.

956
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,639
Speaker 2: I don't see them beating Texas Tech.

957
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,119
Speaker 3: I know Texas Tech, you know, has has played so good,

958
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,159
even with their quarterback getting injured last Weekast Kansas their

959
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:04,239
their backup, your favorite quarterback on College Football twenty six,

960
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:08,920
looks so good. I think the honeymoon phase for Arizona

961
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,760
State is over. They lost bad last week. I don't

962
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,119
see them beating Texas Tech this week. Arizona State's a

963
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:18,119
good team and Kenny de Lam's doing a good job,

964
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:20,639
but the honeymoon's over. We said this could be a

965
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,480
year where they get everybody's best effort, and I think

966
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:26,239
that we're We're already sniffing three losses for the Sun

967
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,440
Devils after this week and Texas Tech, I think is

968
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:31,960
way out in front of everybody in the Big Twelve.

969
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,039
I think it's Texas Tech, Utah and then everybody else

970
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:34,400
after that.

971
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're right. You know you mentioned Texas

972
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,920
Tech is obviously college probably most likely gonna end up

973
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,159
in the college football playoffs, you know, unless a meltdown happens.

974
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,440
Would Julian McGuire if they, let's hypothetically, if they were

975
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,639
Texas Tech would do it and win the Natty? Would

976
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:57,760
Jullian McGuire be the worst head coach to ever win

977
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:58,239
a Natty?

978
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 3: He and ed Orgeron, Yeah, yeah, I don't know what

979
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,679
Baron Morton's status is for this game against Arizona State,

980
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,920
but Will Hammond looked really good. I think they are

981
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:15,559
fine either way against Arizona State. And you know, the

982
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:19,199
Sun Devils. It's a great story, but the honeymoon it's over.

983
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,800
You guys are back to being in the fold with

984
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,559
everybody else. And that's how we thought this new Big

985
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:28,400
Twelve was gonna be, that it was gonna be a competitive.

986
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:29,079
Speaker 2: League from top to bottom.

987
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 3: And you know we're seeing that again here in twenty

988
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,079
and twenty five. All right, let's get to the slaty games.

989
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:38,239
We'll start in the Big Twelve Conference this week tom

990
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:43,599
Arizona taking on Houston. Houston five and one, Arizona four

991
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:46,360
and two. The Cats are one and a half point

992
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,719
favorites on the road. I like what I've seen from

993
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:54,199
Noah Fafida so far this season. Houston great story. They

994
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,440
win this, they become ball eligible. I think that Willie

995
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,400
Fritz has done a good job, but I think Arizona's

996
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,039
more talented team.

997
00:55:59,079 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: I like Arizona on the road.

998
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it looked good. Obviously, it's not hard to look

999
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,519
good against Oklahoma State, but seeing those two teams play

1000
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:12,519
by team back to back, got to feel that that

1001
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,119
Arizona was a little bit more dominant. I get that

1002
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,719
they were at home, but I like Arizona here in

1003
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,079
the in the in the cat fight b.

1004
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,559
Speaker 3: YU and TCU, one of the four locked rivalries in

1005
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:26,360
the Big Twelve.

1006
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,639
Speaker 2: We've seen some great games between these two schools over

1007
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:31,000
the years.

1008
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: Two fantastic quarterbacks, and Hoover and Robertson might be the

1009
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:36,599
first to fifty wins this game.

1010
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:41,159
Speaker 2: The offense is going to be something off the charts top.

1011
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 3: I think Sawyer Robertson has played better than Hoover so

1012
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:49,199
far this year. But I think I like TCU's defense

1013
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,599
a little bit more than Baylor's. And this is a

1014
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:53,320
game that I think just comes down to who can

1015
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,400
get more stops TCUs at home, they got the better defense.

1016
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: I think I leaned towards the horn Frogs.

1017
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the horn Frogs or two. I think

1018
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,960
I'm not I don't trust Baylor all that much. And

1019
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,039
you know, despite TCU losing against k State last week,

1020
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:10,039
I think they bounced back.

1021
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, West Virginia taking on UCF West Virginia two and four,

1022
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:19,639
u CF at three and three u SEF seven and

1023
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:21,039
a half point favorites at home.

1024
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:23,559
Speaker 2: West Virginia's is just not very good.

1025
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,039
Speaker 3: UCF wins this time, then Scott Frost has got a

1026
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,199
really good shot to go bowling his first year back

1027
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:30,800
at UCF.

1028
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: Pivotal game for the Golden Knights at home.

1029
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you CF and this on, I don't I

1030
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:37,280
don't think they have a problem winning this.

1031
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: Texas Tech taking on Arizona State. We talked a little

1032
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,400
bit about this game earlier. Texas Tech six and zero,

1033
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,280
Arizona State four and two, Texas Tech seven and a

1034
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,480
half point favorites. I don't care who starts as quarterback.

1035
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,480
I could very well see Texas Tech put on a

1036
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:55,119
show and winning this by double digits.

1037
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,039
Speaker 5: They were well could it could be. I think this

1038
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:00,760
could be a statement game for them to say, hey,

1039
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,199
seven and zero, we're.

1040
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,559
Speaker 2: Here, speaking of statement games.

1041
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,119
Speaker 3: In primetime, Big Newton kickoff is gonna be there for

1042
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,280
BYU in Utah in provo, it's in primetime, it's on

1043
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:16,119
Fox Utah.

1044
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,599
Speaker 2: Three and a half point favorites.

1045
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:20,519
Speaker 3: They're five and one off that big win against Arizona

1046
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:23,800
State last week. BYU is sitting at six and zero.

1047
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,400
They've played really good football. But I don't feel like

1048
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,239
anybody's talking about BYU despite being undefeated, they're very under ranked.

1049
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,920
I think at fifteen tom big rivalry game, I think

1050
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,199
it's gonna be a fantastic matchup here. I think I

1051
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,559
lean towards Utah because the way they've played the last

1052
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:47,679
couple of weeks, particularly last week, But I don't have

1053
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,159
a good feel This one, to me, is a coin

1054
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,360
flip matchup that could go either way. I think BYU

1055
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:57,039
is gonna need to make that a hostile environment, need

1056
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,480
to get everything out of that crowd and black Meer's

1057
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,039
got to go aff in this game.

1058
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: I leaned towards BYU, but I think this is a

1059
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:04,960
very close game.

1060
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too. It's one of my favorite

1061
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:12,639
ribbery games in all sports, the Holy War. I think

1062
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:14,480
Utah is it what a two and a half point favorite?

1063
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,800
Did that's either right and a half? Yeah? Oh wow.

1064
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,760
I mean I'd lean a little bit towards Utah because,

1065
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,760
like you said, how they've played the last couple of weeks.

1066
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,360
But I mean it's a night game in Provo, a

1067
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,760
little weird, a little weird.

1068
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: Indeed, Cincinnati taking out Oklahoma State.

1069
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:36,719
Speaker 3: We talked about surprise teams. Nobody saw this coming, that

1070
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,119
the Bearcats would be five and one. Their only loss

1071
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:42,880
of the year was to Nebraska week one in a

1072
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,079
close game in Arrowhead and going to still Water and

1073
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:49,360
taking out Oklahoma State Bearcats at five to one. Cincinnati's

1074
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:56,119
at one and five, Tom, I think Oklahoma State they

1075
00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:59,960
have nothing to lose, and you know it is home

1076
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:03,800
coming weekend in Stillwater. We've seen that fan base is

1077
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,519
still fired up that that students section two thirty one.

1078
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:07,119
Speaker 2: I think it is.

1079
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 5: It's been a great.

1080
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: Story and with all that said, like I think at

1081
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,559
some point Oklahoma State is going to catch somebody napping

1082
01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:20,599
and maybe they give them a game or pull off

1083
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,719
an upset of sorts. Cincinnati, the way they've been playing,

1084
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,840
I don't know if this team knows yet how to

1085
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,519
do that. Every single week. I think if you're Cincinnati,

1086
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:33,000
you're saying to yourself, this can't be the week we

1087
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:35,079
get caught napping. We're gonna be on our a game

1088
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,920
here going in Stillwater with with this matchup. I think

1089
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,840
Cincinnati should be fine if they do what they're supposed

1090
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,320
to do. But if they don't, Oklahoma State, you know

1091
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:46,840
eventually something's got to go right for this team.

1092
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 5: Well, you would hope, But I don't think Cincinnati is

1093
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,840
gonna get caught napping. I think oh Shu's defense is

1094
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,760
not They're not. I don't think they can hold up.

1095
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,440
I think Sportsman's been playing too good. I said it

1096
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:06,679
last week. We went to Cincinnati last week in the

1097
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:09,960
Big twelve SEC report like what Cincinnati has been able

1098
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,599
to do and it's against my team that sucks. And

1099
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:14,840
at the end of the day of Cincinnati, if I

1100
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,960
give him the kiss of death here, then I'll live

1101
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:20,400
with it. I mean, I would rather be wrong and

1102
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:25,400
my team win than be right. So I think Cincinnati

1103
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:27,280
is not gonna have any problem. It's a night game.

1104
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,119
Homecoming shirts are gonna be off in section two thirty one.

1105
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,639
There's gonna be more than ever, but it's not gonna matter.

1106
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: Let's go to the SEC slate of games. It's the

1107
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:42,880
Theo Vonne Bowl, Number ten. LSU ticking on number seventeen,

1108
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:48,559
Vanderbilt in Nashville, early morning start eleven am on ABC.

1109
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,880
Vanderbilt two and a half point favorites. Vandity's only loss

1110
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,159
came at the hands of Alabama, and I don't think

1111
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:59,639
Fandy looked bad in that game. Diego Pavius looked fantastic

1112
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,400
this season. L s U. I feel underwhelmed at them

1113
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,679
at five and one. You know, I expected more out

1114
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:09,800
of Nelsmeyer. They have arguably the best play in the

1115
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,199
country and Harold Perkins here. This is a tricky spot

1116
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,360
for LSU. I think Tom I lean towards Vandy in this.

1117
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,639
Speaker 5: Really, you're gonna be on the You're taking You're taking

1118
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:29,599
Theohan's home away from home here. I think I will

1119
01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:31,760
take his I will take his childhood team.

1120
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: Okay, uh.

1121
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:37,679
Speaker 3: Oh, you taking on South Carolina. Oh you five and

1122
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:42,360
a half point favorites on the road against South Carolina. Tom, Uh,

1123
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,599
we're talking about getting back on track. I think for

1124
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:48,320
ow you the defense is going to do its thing.

1125
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,039
But is if John Mattier doesn't turn the football over,

1126
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,719
then then they should win this. To me, it just

1127
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,119
depends on what version of John Matteer do we see?

1128
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is last week. We're gonna we're gonna find

1129
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,280
out what John mytear is made of. We're gonna find

1130
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,199
out what Preventables is made of here.

1131
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:07,159
Speaker 6: Uh.

1132
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,559
Speaker 5: How resilient is this OU team? That's what we're gonna

1133
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:11,280
find out this week?

1134
01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 3: Texas A and M taking on Arkansas. This is a

1135
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:19,039
rivalry game. Arkansas two and four. They gave Tennessee all

1136
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:21,440
they can handle last week, nearly won that game thirty

1137
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,400
four to thirty one. And Bobby Petrino's debut. Uh, Aggie's

1138
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,199
going on the road here. Taylor Green, we know is

1139
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:32,360
a good quarterback. We talk about trap games and such, Tom,

1140
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,840
I wouldn't be surprised if Arkansas can give Texas A

1141
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,639
and M a run for their money there. Texas A

1142
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:39,599
and M only seven a half point favorites. I like

1143
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:42,320
the Aggies here, but this game could be interesting.

1144
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could, And I said it last week. A

1145
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:48,960
and M one of those teams. What are they? A

1146
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:49,960
and M's ranked fourth.

1147
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: A and M's ranked fourth.

1148
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:55,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is this is the you know they

1149
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,599
called the Pope choke, but I don't. I don't know

1150
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,559
what you'd call A and M the choke. Andiam's gonna

1151
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:05,800
slip up somewhere and this might be the week. I mean,

1152
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:10,079
Faville not tough. It's not a super tough place to play,

1153
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:10,880
but it's not easy.

1154
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:15,039
Speaker 3: Number five Old Miss taking on number nine Georgia College

1155
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:18,440
game Day is gonna be there. Georgia five and one

1156
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,880
on the year. They're only lost at Bama a couple

1157
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,400
of weeks ago at home Old Miss six and zero. Tom,

1158
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,199
Maybe I'm being too critical of an undefeated team, but

1159
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:31,159
I haven't been that impressed with Old Miss, to be honest.

1160
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:35,920
I feel like there's something missing there with that team.

1161
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,719
I feel like george is the better team.

1162
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: They're at home.

1163
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,639
Speaker 3: I like their offense, their defense is solid. Give me

1164
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,960
Georgia to handle things against Old Miss. They're seven and

1165
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,239
a half point favorites for a reason.

1166
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, there's I mean old miss granted got

1167
01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:55,719
a good win against tell us you their other games

1168
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:59,119
barely beat Washington State by three, beat up on a

1169
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:03,119
two lane team, one score game against Arkansas, one score

1170
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:07,760
against Kentucky. Georgia I think is gonna cover easy.

1171
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 3: I think here Florida taking on Mississippi State, could this

1172
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:13,880
be it for Billy Napier.

1173
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: If they lose the Mississippi State and dropped the two.

1174
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,559
Speaker 3: And five they are at home, They're nine and a

1175
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:22,280
half point favorites. Gotta give Jeff Levy credit. He's done

1176
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,360
much better in his second year. The talent for Florida

1177
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,639
they are the mortalent team and Lagway and company with

1178
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:36,239
their defense, Florida should win, but you never know with

1179
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:42,159
the old Billy Napier Tom I I I'm picking Florida here,

1180
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,320
but I don't say this with a ton of confidence.

1181
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,800
It's one of those where I'm just kind of turning

1182
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,000
my back and hiding my eyes and not having to

1183
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:54,800
look here because it very well could be curtains for

1184
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:58,480
Billy Napier if they lose this one at home Mississippi State.

1185
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:01,599
Speaker 5: I think if you're a Napier and you want to

1186
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:05,039
keep your job, you just have to keep winning at

1187
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:08,079
this point. I think really any loss that Florida takes

1188
01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:11,360
going forward could be billyon Navier's last game. It really

1189
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,559
doesn't matter who they played. At this point. You can't

1190
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:14,519
fire him after a win.

1191
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,719
Speaker 2: Right Number twenty one Texas taking on Kentucky.

1192
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,599
Speaker 3: Texas coming off that impressive performance against Ou and Red

1193
01:06:22,719 --> 01:06:25,800
River last week. They're four and two. Kentucky's two and three.

1194
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,239
Kentucky not a very good team. Mark Stoops could very

1195
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,760
well be on his way out. Tom Arch played his

1196
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,840
best game of the season last week, his numbers still

1197
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,960
weren't earth shattering, though. Do you think Arch and this

1198
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:42,599
Texas team have turned a corner. I'm not quite bought

1199
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:46,079
in yet because that Florida game was just two weeks

1200
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:49,159
ago too. As good as they looked last week, it wasn't.

1201
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,440
You don't have to go too far back to see

1202
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,719
when Texas last struggled. I think they beat Kentucky here,

1203
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,239
but I'm still not thinking that this team is going

1204
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,119
to be a playoff team.

1205
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:00,639
Speaker 2: I think they got to win out pretty much to

1206
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:01,920
be a playoff team right now.

1207
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:07,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too, and very interested to see it.

1208
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,480
Is there a hangover after Red River. Very interested to

1209
01:07:11,519 --> 01:07:15,360
see if they can continue playing as dominant. Should be

1210
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,199
okay against Kentucky, but you never know.

1211
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,199
Speaker 3: Tennessee taking on Alabama the number eleven balls taking out

1212
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:26,519
the number six Crimson Tide. Both teams at five and one.

1213
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:31,280
The games in Tuscaloosa, it's under the lights. Look, ty

1214
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,119
Simpson has looked fantastic. He might be my favorite quarterback

1215
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:38,000
in college football right now. I've been very impressed with

1216
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:40,320
the way ty Simpson has played. They have been a

1217
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,440
much improved team from where they were a week one

1218
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:47,039
against Florida State, Tennessee got away with one. Last week

1219
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:51,480
against Arkansas, got away with one against Mississippi State. Aguilar

1220
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,719
good quarterback, but he's got some turnover issues. This is

1221
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,880
one I would be surprised if Tennessee won here. I

1222
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,599
think Bama handle's beenin's at home.

1223
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too. I mean, you know, Tennessee

1224
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:09,039
not a bad team by any means, but I think,

1225
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,679
you know, Bama after losing to n FSU, they kind

1226
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:16,119
of turned the corner and it was either they were

1227
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:18,760
gonna be dog shit or they were going to turn

1228
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,960
it up. And I like what Kayla Debor has done

1229
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:22,880
since that loss.

1230
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 3: And then last one for you six forty five on

1231
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,960
Saturday Night, number sixteen Maszoo five and one, digging on

1232
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:31,199
Auburn three and three.

1233
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 2: It's not looking good there for who Freese there with

1234
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,239
the Auburn Tigers.

1235
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,279
Speaker 3: He looks to be on his way out. Meanwhile, Eli

1236
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:44,640
Drinkwitz his stockets rising. You know, last week was probably

1237
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,199
the biggest game they've ever had, and they lose in

1238
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:50,600
a close one Tobama that came right down with the

1239
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,560
wire that they very well could have found a way

1240
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:52,840
to win.

1241
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 2: They're not out of it, though by any stretch. They

1242
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,199
still could, you know, make the playoffs for potentially being

1243
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:00,399
the SEC Toddle game.

1244
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:03,279
Speaker 3: But now you go on the road. Let's see how

1245
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:05,880
this team bounces back after losing their first game of

1246
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,119
the year. I like missou here. They're only one and

1247
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:10,319
a half point favorite. Tom.

1248
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: I like Missoo by at least a touchdown.

1249
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,039
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, they gave Bamine everything they could take

1250
01:09:17,119 --> 01:09:21,520
and damn near did it. I like missou Here too.

1251
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,199
They're one of those teams I would not want to play.

1252
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 3: Morena comp Jenny Carlson said to join us next. We'll

1253
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,119
also have Tom Foolery coming up later on in the show.

1254
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:37,720
Stay with us, join us now in the program. This week,

1255
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,239
please to welcome in from the Oklahoma and it is

1256
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,640
our old friend Jenny Carlson who's back to talk all

1257
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,680
things oh U, OSU and thunder.

1258
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,079
Speaker 4: Jenny, so much to talk about.

1259
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,359
Speaker 3: Let's get started with the Sooners after that loss to

1260
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:55,359
Texas last week. What's kind of the feeling in Norman

1261
01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:59,319
after the Sooners were handed their first defeat of the year.

1262
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 6: Well, probably depends on who you talk to in Norman.

1263
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,119
I think the fans are probably will tell you that, oh,

1264
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,359
you won't win another game, that they're done for that,

1265
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,159
you know, they're going to finish five and seven. Talk

1266
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:15,359
to people in the building, and I think it's probably

1267
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:19,479
a little bit more tempered of expectations. You know, obviously

1268
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:22,720
Oklahoma did not play well against Texas. The week before,

1269
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,079
Texas did not play well against Florida, and so I

1270
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:29,199
think the expectation after Texas struggled at in the Swamp

1271
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,479
was that Oklahoma, especially defensively, was going to have you know,

1272
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,920
a much bigger impact on Texas than ended up having.

1273
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,279
And so, you know, obviously not not what Oklahoma wanted.

1274
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,880
You know, you got a chance to not only beat

1275
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,560
your rival, but continue to build, you know, a case

1276
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,680
for a CC championship game, a college football playoff spot.

1277
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,239
You want to take every opportunity that you have to

1278
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:56,560
do that, but when it's against your biggest rival, like

1279
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,199
you really want to do that. So clearly disappointing. Did

1280
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:03,720
not play well an offense or defense. I mean, the

1281
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,600
defense only gave up sixteen points, but didn't get to

1282
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,680
arch Manning like I think they really wanted to and

1283
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,600
thought they would. So that was really kind of souring.

1284
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:18,000
But you know, now the margin for air is you know,

1285
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:21,079
the path to the playoff is narrower. I mean, they're

1286
01:11:21,159 --> 01:11:24,039
they're gonna have to They're gonna have to win a

1287
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:26,159
lot of ball games down the stretch. And you know,

1288
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:29,039
they've got arguably the toughest schedule in the country they

1289
01:11:29,119 --> 01:11:31,479
did a year ago because either of them are Florida

1290
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,079
and it's either them or Florida again this year. So yeah,

1291
01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:36,600
so they're gonna they're gonna have to get with it.

1292
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,920
They can't they can't get where they want to go

1293
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:42,199
and play the way they played against Texas. But up

1294
01:11:42,279 --> 01:11:45,079
until that Texas game, they played much better, So I

1295
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:49,199
think The expectation internally at Oklahoma is they'll get back

1296
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:52,000
to doing what they did pre Texas. But you know,

1297
01:11:52,279 --> 01:11:54,439
fans tend to be a little bit more short sighted and.

1298
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,239
Speaker 4: You know, have them have him done for what's the

1299
01:11:58,359 --> 01:11:59,600
latest with John Mattier.

1300
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:04,399
Speaker 3: He came back from that injury through three interceptions. Are

1301
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:09,000
they using that as an excuse? Is was he brought

1302
01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:11,520
back too early? Or is that something that has been

1303
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,520
thought of that he just had a bad game.

1304
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we saw that. What we saw with

1305
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,880
his struggles against Texas were more a product of not

1306
01:12:20,039 --> 01:12:23,880
practicing for three weeks than probably his hand. Now, his

1307
01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:27,359
hand was clearly you know, he was aware of it.

1308
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,199
He was wiping it. It got bloodied when he got hit.

1309
01:12:31,279 --> 01:12:34,560
The word was it like knocked off a scab, and

1310
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,680
that's why he was bleeding. It wasn't some sort of

1311
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:41,039
you know, reinjury to either the brake or the surgery.

1312
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,600
But still, you know, he was obviously aware that he

1313
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,439
was bleeding and he was going to probably need to

1314
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,319
wipe that off. So I'm sure that was in his head,

1315
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,119
probably even more than he was expecting, because I don't

1316
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:53,760
think anybody was expecting that hand to bleed like it did,

1317
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:58,079
but he looked just more rusty than he looked affected

1318
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:01,520
by that, you know, not and some open receivers not,

1319
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,479
you know, just not sort of the sharpness that we'd

1320
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,439
seen from him before. You know, he he's had some

1321
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,720
moments where he's kind of rolled the dice and thrown

1322
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,399
into you know, coverage that you were thought, oh my gosh,

1323
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,000
you know, somebody could pick that off, and then Texas

1324
01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:17,840
made him.

1325
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:18,319
Speaker 3: Pay for those.

1326
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,239
Speaker 6: But it looked to me more like somebody that hadn't

1327
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:24,920
been on the practice field much as much as you know,

1328
01:13:25,159 --> 01:13:27,760
the hand being a problem. Nobody has said he came

1329
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,800
back too soon. He hasn't, coaches haven't, so none of

1330
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,600
that is the talk at Oklahoma. And I have to

1331
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,039
think that just getting back into practice like he did

1332
01:13:38,079 --> 01:13:40,880
this week, because he wasn't cleared by the doctors last

1333
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,000
week until Thursday, and at that point, you know, kind

1334
01:13:44,039 --> 01:13:46,439
of all the practice is done. You know, Friday's a

1335
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,880
walk through day, travel day, so you're not really going

1336
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,760
to practice that day, and then his game day, so

1337
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,920
he really didn't get much in the way of practice

1338
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,000
at all a week ago before Texas. He'll have much more,

1339
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,399
you know, in the in the rearview mirror when they

1340
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,279
go to South Caro line of this week, and that

1341
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,279
should help. But obviously, you know they need they need

1342
01:14:04,359 --> 01:14:06,680
to catch passes, they need to run the ball more effectively,

1343
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,920
they need to block better. There's a lot about the

1344
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:12,640
offense that was not really what they would want, making

1345
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,119
Materier throw thirty eight passes against Texas with that you know,

1346
01:14:16,359 --> 01:14:20,239
surgically repaired and only seventeen days after surgery. That was

1347
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:22,439
the product of their run game not being very effective.

1348
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,960
I think they're ran for fifty two yards against Texas

1349
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,159
and that's not that's not good. That's that's not that's

1350
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:30,319
not a recipe for success. So they got to run

1351
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:31,920
the ball better, they got to block better, they got

1352
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,359
to catch better, and Matiers got to play better. Then,

1353
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:35,720
you know, they need to be the need to be

1354
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,720
better across the board when it comes to the offense,

1355
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,399
and I think they do some of those other things

1356
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:40,800
and that'll help Domteer for sure.

1357
01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 3: You mentioned the schedule toughest in the country remaining, and

1358
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,760
this week against South Carolina is arguably their easiest game left.

1359
01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:52,640
But that's not a guarantee either by any stretch of

1360
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,159
the imagination going on the road against a well coached

1361
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,840
team by Shane Bieber. There this next stretch for OWU,

1362
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,279
they're certainly going to be tested. And I hate even

1363
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:05,680
using this term, but Jenny, to me, it feels like

1364
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,680
this weekends and must win against South Carolina.

1365
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 6: I would say that that's, you know, unless they go

1366
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,000
on a heater that is, you know, next level. They

1367
01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:16,159
need to win this game at South Carolina because their

1368
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,319
last five opponents are all ranked, and not only Top

1369
01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:22,439
twenty five, top sixteen, you know which I mean, rankings

1370
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,560
are what rankings are. It's not a be all end all,

1371
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,800
but you're talking about five really good teams that have

1372
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,880
won a lot of ball games already this year. So,

1373
01:15:29,279 --> 01:15:32,239
you know, I think when you've got again, it's like Texas.

1374
01:15:32,359 --> 01:15:37,039
You know, obviously, you know, Texas look like a wounded team,

1375
01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:39,680
look like a vulnerable team coming out of that loss

1376
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,960
at Florida, and Oklahoma didn't didn't expose those vulnerabilities, didn't

1377
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,479
take advantage of those vulnerabilities the same way that Florida did.

1378
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,119
And I think that that's one of those things that you're,

1379
01:15:50,359 --> 01:15:54,800
you know, you're just you're just requiring more and more,

1380
01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:59,520
probably not upsets necessarily, but you know you're gonna have

1381
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,520
to win games that you may not be favored and

1382
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,840
you may not be the better team. It seemed like

1383
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,319
Oklahoma going into that Texas game had a better situation

1384
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,880
to maximize what Texas was struggling with. And then Texas

1385
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,680
figured out a way to get the run game going

1386
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,039
and block better for Arch and move him out of

1387
01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:19,199
the pocket, and you know, some of those things. I

1388
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,520
definitely think Steve Sarkisian needs credit for the way he

1389
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,680
steamed and worked to you know, minimize some of those things.

1390
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,439
But yeah, this is a situation where you know it's

1391
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,159
not going to be easy. It's a road game. You know,

1392
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:37,279
South Carolina with Leonora Sellers at quarterback, they're definitely capable.

1393
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,720
They've got a couple of defensive ends that are causing

1394
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,359
havoc and Oklahoma's you know, sketchy play at times on

1395
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,520
the offensive line. I think le leaves you open a

1396
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,439
little bit to be concerned there. But Oklahoma looks like

1397
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,760
the better team, and in situations in the SEC when

1398
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,600
you're the better team, you need to go win. So yeah,

1399
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,000
I think for for a big twelve or not big twelve,

1400
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:02,560
I'm sorry for SEC, you know, standings and those sorts

1401
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,960
of things. This is a game Oklahoma needs to go win.

1402
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no question about it. Jenny Carlson jotting us

1403
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,960
on the program this week, Jenny. Brent Venables made some

1404
01:17:13,079 --> 01:17:16,760
headlines this week, not necessarily the best looks of sorts.

1405
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 4: You mentioned the Big.

1406
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 3: Twelve with him comparing the SEC schedule to the Big

1407
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,680
Twelve schedule, saying that we're not dominating teams every week

1408
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,800
like we did in the Big Twelve. And of course

1409
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,960
the Big Twelve responded with their own tweets saying that

1410
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:33,560
he lost eight games in two years in the conference.

1411
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,319
And you know, I don't know how you feel about this,

1412
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,439
but Genny, the way I looked at his comments, he's

1413
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,319
not technically wrong, but he's not necessarily the best messenger

1414
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,600
for that. If Bob Stoops had been the one to

1415
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,840
say that, I feel like nobody bats an eye. But

1416
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,560
knowing that it was Brent that said that with his

1417
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,680
track record, I think that's where, you know, people kind

1418
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,399
of got frustrated or uneasy a bit. Not necessarily a

1419
01:17:57,399 --> 01:17:59,920
great look either, coming off that loss to Texas as well.

1420
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think in Brent's head he he

1421
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:06,359
was talking about when he was the defensive coordinator at Oklahoma,

1422
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,920
not the head coach at Oklahoma, because obviously, you know,

1423
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:11,600
they had a two lost season in his first year

1424
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,199
and then lost six in their last year in the

1425
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:17,079
Big Twelve. So obviously as a head coach he had

1426
01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:20,000
his struggles. But when he was a defensive coordinator, that

1427
01:18:20,359 --> 01:18:23,720
was when Oklahoma ruled the Big Twelve. I mean, you know,

1428
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,119
that was a case where you know, it was maybe

1429
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:29,840
one or two tough games depending on you know, how

1430
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,520
goods Texas, how goods Nebraska, those sorts of things in

1431
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,920
those days. But yeah, that was not that was not

1432
01:18:37,119 --> 01:18:40,560
clear what he was talking about. So I think that's

1433
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,880
what he meant. And it's interesting too because you know,

1434
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:47,359
I think there was a time not so long ago

1435
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,680
in the SEC that quite honestly, the SEC, even though

1436
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,920
they liked to talk about how tough the SEC is, there,

1437
01:18:54,319 --> 01:18:58,680
it was very top heavy in the SEC. I mean, Georgia, Alabama.

1438
01:18:59,039 --> 01:19:00,560
You know, you had that run where a bunch of

1439
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:05,279
different SEC teams won national championships, but there for a while,

1440
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,680
it was super top heavy. You know, those those teams

1441
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:12,159
at the tip top were winning everything, and you know,

1442
01:19:12,279 --> 01:19:14,239
there weren't too many games on their schedule that.

1443
01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:16,560
Speaker 4: Were difficultlord to what the Big Ten is now.

1444
01:19:17,399 --> 01:19:19,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think there there is some of that,

1445
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,680
But I think the SEC has seen as much as

1446
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,640
maybe any conference, and maybe the Big Twelve would would

1447
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,439
would contend they're in that conversation too, as much as

1448
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,840
any conference that nil transfer portal era has evened out.

1449
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,880
The SEC. I mean, I think you've still got some teams,

1450
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:40,880
you know, Kentucky, probably Mississippi State, Arkansas. You know that

1451
01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:45,079
it's not your You may not you know, you could

1452
01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:47,119
probably get beat by them, but there's a good chance

1453
01:19:47,159 --> 01:19:49,640
you're gonna win. Now, it's interesting that a lot of

1454
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,520
those teams that you say that about are on Texas's schedule,

1455
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,720
not on Oklahoma's. If you look at the schedules that

1456
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,640
these two teams got going into the SEC, I think

1457
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,520
there's some people in Oklahoma that'd be like, hold on,

1458
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,880
Texas got that schedule and Oklahoma got this schedule. But

1459
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:06,880
all that to say, there's a lot more even games

1460
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,159
one possession, you know, three or four plays that determine

1461
01:20:11,159 --> 01:20:13,479
the outcome of a game. It feels much more like

1462
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,079
the NFL in terms of like just you know, week

1463
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:19,760
to week, like like, look look at Texas. They lose

1464
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,239
to Florida, then they beat Oklahoma. You know, you can

1465
01:20:22,279 --> 01:20:25,119
look across the league in five instances where you know,

1466
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:27,800
Alabama loses Florida State to start the year. Now they've

1467
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,760
beat three really good teams.

1468
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 3: In a row.

1469
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 6: So you know, to me, it's it's a league where

1470
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,800
you know, teams that you don't think are gonna win

1471
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,800
based on what's maybe happened most recently, will come out

1472
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,319
and win. Because I think there's a lot more parody

1473
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,439
in the SEC now than there probably has been in

1474
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,840
several years. So uh yeah, I do think it's interesting

1475
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,199
to sort of all these big twelve comments that have

1476
01:20:51,279 --> 01:20:54,359
come up. But I do think the SEC it's hard

1477
01:20:54,399 --> 01:20:57,000
to win. I mean, like I said, there's probably some

1478
01:20:57,119 --> 01:20:59,840
games that everybody looks at and says, all right, maybe,

1479
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:02,279
but there's a lot of pretty good teams in this

1480
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:02,800
league too.

1481
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 3: Jenny, This James Franklin firing this week, I think probably

1482
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:12,239
got everybody on edge around the country looking in the

1483
01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:14,720
mirror at their own coaching situations.

1484
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:16,359
Speaker 4: And I look at Brent Vinables.

1485
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,159
Speaker 3: It's year four now and he hasn't had close to

1486
01:21:20,399 --> 01:21:23,520
the track record of success that James Franklin did at

1487
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,119
Penn State and a three game skid and all of

1488
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:28,880
a sudden, James Franklin's out of a job. What's kind

1489
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:33,680
of the confidence level for what's in Brent Vinables in

1490
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:38,800
that Oklahoma situation. Do you see them giving him the

1491
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:43,640
time and respect comparably speaking to maybe what Penn State did?

1492
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,159
Do they operate differently in your eyes?

1493
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 6: Well that you know, it's a good question. I guess

1494
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,359
anything's possible nowadays. And you know, these mid season or

1495
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:54,800
even early season firings, it's a whole new thing in

1496
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,520
college football. I mean, this didn't used to be unless

1497
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,520
there was scandal. You didn't have guys losing their job

1498
01:22:01,319 --> 01:22:03,520
in the middle of the year in college football. So

1499
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,279
it's all it's all new, and so I guess anything's possible.

1500
01:22:07,359 --> 01:22:11,359
But you know, I think, uh, it's hard to it's

1501
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,079
hard to see. I mean, I guess if Oklahoma loses out,

1502
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:17,079
I guess anything's on the table. If they go five

1503
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:19,720
and seven, Okay, maybe we can talk about, you know,

1504
01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:22,680
what what happens with Brent Vinables. But until we get

1505
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,359
a little closer to that reality, Brent Vinnables the job

1506
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,359
he's done with the defense. I don't think we can

1507
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:33,319
understate just how much of a turnaround that has been,

1508
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,159
because when he arrived on campus, they had a defense

1509
01:22:37,239 --> 01:22:41,840
that was basically holding back their offense from you know,

1510
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,239
being a being a title contender nationally, and they had

1511
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:49,039
offenses with Lincoln Riley that could have won you know,

1512
01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:51,399
I don't know how many titles, whether it was a

1513
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:55,439
Baker Mayfield years, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts, like, they had

1514
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:00,239
great offensive teams and their defense was so bad they

1515
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:03,840
couldn't possibly they couldn't get there. They couldn't they couldn't

1516
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,279
get to that level because the defense. I mean, even

1517
01:23:06,319 --> 01:23:09,279
if they just had a mid mid range defense, they

1518
01:23:09,319 --> 01:23:11,600
probably could have at least got to the title game.

1519
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,079
They couldn't even get to the title game. So just

1520
01:23:14,279 --> 01:23:18,840
a real uh, you know, Oklahoma, their defense was was

1521
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,079
in shambles. They did not have the talent, they didn't

1522
01:23:21,079 --> 01:23:23,079
have a scheme that could win. I mean, just all

1523
01:23:23,159 --> 01:23:26,279
the things that were that were bad could have been bad,

1524
01:23:26,359 --> 01:23:29,800
were bad. And so I think to now see Oklahoma's

1525
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,640
defense not just respectable, but one of the best in

1526
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,520
the country, and you know, you look at something like

1527
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,039
their defensive line, which you know, in the SEC, obviously

1528
01:23:39,159 --> 01:23:41,479
the line of scrimmage is where where it's at. You know,

1529
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,640
you gotta be great on the line of scrimmage. And

1530
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:47,359
I wasn't sure that Oklahoma on the defensive line could

1531
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:50,479
ever get anywhere close to what they'd had, you know,

1532
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,039
not just even talking about like Switzer era times with

1533
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:57,960
like you know, Tony Gacias and and the Selman brothers,

1534
01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:00,720
and I mean, like that was like no way. I'm

1535
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,079
thinking about, like, how are they gonna get back to

1536
01:24:03,159 --> 01:24:06,520
a time when they've got a Tommy Harris or you know,

1537
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,800
somebody like that on the defensive line. It just seemed

1538
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,079
like that's not gonna happen. Well, now they've got a

1539
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:16,119
defensive line that really is eight guys deep, and frankly,

1540
01:24:16,319 --> 01:24:21,600
Jalen Jayden Jackson, one of their one of their nose tackles,

1541
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,359
one of their interior guys on the defensive line, might

1542
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,399
be the best player on the team. I mean, don't

1543
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,159
you don't see like a lot of interior defensive linemen

1544
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:35,840
becoming the best. But he's He's fantastic. So like the

1545
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:38,840
fact that they have rebuilt that defense to a point

1546
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,479
where you know, it gives him a chance. I think

1547
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:47,680
that that is a huge, you know, huge, huge star

1548
01:24:48,279 --> 01:24:52,159
by Brent Bennable's name. So obviously, if it all goes

1549
01:24:52,279 --> 01:24:54,880
to pot before the end of the year, we can

1550
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,680
have this conversation again. But I think he's already built

1551
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,239
up goodwill that way, and I think they've done some

1552
01:25:00,319 --> 01:25:05,760
things internally and how they're dealing with a talent evaluation,

1553
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:10,000
portal evaluation that has really given Brent a chance to

1554
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,000
lean into the coaching. I mean, I think that's why

1555
01:25:13,119 --> 01:25:15,359
he was able to go back and take over the

1556
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:19,439
defensive coordinator reins last offseason when they lost Zach Ally.

1557
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,079
I think he was able to say, you know what, Previously,

1558
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:24,520
maybe I didn't have time and energy to pull that

1559
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,880
off to be the defensive coordinator and the head coach.

1560
01:25:27,159 --> 01:25:29,479
But the way they've done some things internally, he has

1561
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,319
a chance to do that. And it is really I mean,

1562
01:25:32,359 --> 01:25:35,720
it's it's it's it's overhauled that defense. Obviously, things were

1563
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:39,039
already trending in that direction under Brent, having the players,

1564
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,479
having the scheme, all those things, but now we've really

1565
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,760
seen it elevate to the point where you know, that's huge,

1566
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:46,800
and I don't. I don't think.

1567
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 3: I think the.

1568
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,399
Speaker 6: Difference maybe between Franklin and and and Venables is, you know,

1569
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,560
I think when ou goes into the SEC, maybe the

1570
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,960
fans don't want to admit it, but it's gonna take

1571
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,960
some time. You know, we're gonna have to figure out

1572
01:26:00,279 --> 01:26:02,439
like what you don't have. You're gonna have to play

1573
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,279
against the SEC for a while to sort of see

1574
01:26:05,319 --> 01:26:09,119
where you are. And you know, it's been it's been revealing.

1575
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:11,640
They they had to get better, and they've gotten better

1576
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,000
in a lot of places. So I think maybe that's

1577
01:26:15,039 --> 01:26:18,279
a little bit. The difference is, like Franklin wasn't fired

1578
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:22,720
just because of like this season he's had trouble winning

1579
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,319
big games at Penn State, and then like he had

1580
01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:28,000
trouble winning big games this year and it was like, Okay,

1581
01:26:28,119 --> 01:26:31,079
we're kind of done here. So do I think they

1582
01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:34,239
can get another you know, like a great coach. You

1583
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:36,960
know you're running a risk obviously, But I think that's

1584
01:26:37,039 --> 01:26:40,000
where I don't think James Franklin got fired for three

1585
01:26:40,079 --> 01:26:42,479
and three. I think he got fired because of other stuff.

1586
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that.

1587
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,560
Speaker 3: Jenny Carlson, jot, I guess here on the program this week, Jenny,

1588
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:52,159
let me ask you next about what's gone.

1589
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 4: On in Stillwater.

1590
01:26:54,119 --> 01:26:57,199
Speaker 3: They're looking for a new head coach, of course, what's

1591
01:26:57,239 --> 01:27:01,520
the latest in that coaching search, and from what you've heard,

1592
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,720
what are they looking for in their next head coach?

1593
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think it's it's going to be interesting. Obviously,

1594
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:11,960
they were one of the early firings, you know, moving

1595
01:27:12,039 --> 01:27:14,479
on from Mike Gundy after twenty plus years. He was

1596
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,880
in his twenty first season. You know, I think there's

1597
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,920
some Cowboy fans that probably deepen their heart of hearts,

1598
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,119
are thinking a little bit like some Penn State fans.

1599
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:24,199
You know, this guy was pretty good. Are we going

1600
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:25,199
to find somebody better?

1601
01:27:26,079 --> 01:27:26,239
Speaker 5: You know?

1602
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,039
Speaker 6: But I think the way that these last you know,

1603
01:27:29,359 --> 01:27:31,800
eighteen months or so of Oklahoma State football have gone,

1604
01:27:32,319 --> 01:27:34,920
I think people were pretty pretty much in agreement it

1605
01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:39,000
was time to do something different. So to me, reading

1606
01:27:39,039 --> 01:27:42,159
between the lines, Chad Weiberg, the athletic director at Oklahoma State,

1607
01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:44,640
not been, you know, not been out there talking a

1608
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,039
lot about the job search, obviously doing a lot behind

1609
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:50,199
the scenes. But I think sort of read between the lines.

1610
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,239
He wants somebody that has a plan for how to

1611
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:57,279
deal with the modern era of college football. How do

1612
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:00,279
you handle NIOL, how do you handle revenue sharing, how

1613
01:28:00,319 --> 01:28:02,960
do you handle evaluation? How do you go into the

1614
01:28:03,039 --> 01:28:04,520
portal and find the best guys?

1615
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 5: You know?

1616
01:28:05,119 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 6: How do you and then how do you bring together

1617
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,520
a team that might have a lot of new players

1618
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,960
on it. I think having and being able to go

1619
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:16,600
out and get money, you know, find boosters and donors

1620
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,479
and raise your own money. So to me, you know,

1621
01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:22,840
I think that probably means that he wants a head coach,

1622
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,680
somebody with head coaching experience, and I think he probably

1623
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,760
wants somebody that's done some money, raised some money out there.

1624
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,439
So to me, that starts a point towards guys like

1625
01:28:32,119 --> 01:28:34,880
Eric Morris at North Texas. You know, they've they've woned

1626
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:39,359
North Texas and he's raised some money. So I'm not

1627
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,640
saying that he's the guy, but that's the type of

1628
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,279
thing I think that Chad Weiberg is going to be

1629
01:28:45,359 --> 01:28:49,560
looking for. Can you can you can you come in

1630
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,920
and tell me this is how I'm going to win.

1631
01:28:52,079 --> 01:28:55,640
This is my plan for building back Oklahoma State football,

1632
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,199
for doing it in this modern era. You know, Chad,

1633
01:28:58,279 --> 01:29:01,119
when he the day of Gundy's hiring. Chad pointed out,

1634
01:29:01,319 --> 01:29:03,520
you know this is this is a different day in time.

1635
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,600
You know, the game has changed, and basically you need

1636
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:12,079
somebody that's able to, you know, embrace that and handle

1637
01:29:12,199 --> 01:29:15,800
that and maneuver through that in ways that Oklahoma State

1638
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:18,760
was slow to and now they're trying to recover from.

1639
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,399
It's not gonna be easy, I don't think. But here's

1640
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:25,520
the thing. Big twelve is as topsy turvy a league

1641
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,239
as you will find, and I know it's frustrating for

1642
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:30,640
people who are fans of teams in the league, but

1643
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:34,119
it's wildly fascinating because you just never know what's going

1644
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:38,279
to happen. So while Oklahoma State has fallen way behind

1645
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,479
in the new look Big Twelve, it's entirely possible that

1646
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:43,920
they get somebody in there who goes and finds the

1647
01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:46,800
right players and suddenly they're right back in the mix.

1648
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,960
Like I could see that happening. That's the way the

1649
01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:51,239
league is, so I think. But I think you've got

1650
01:29:51,319 --> 01:29:53,359
to get somebody with a plan and somebody who can

1651
01:29:54,039 --> 01:29:59,119
motivate boosters to be active, raise the money and get involved.

1652
01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:02,199
I think those are probably the two things that Chad

1653
01:30:02,199 --> 01:30:04,279
Wiberg's gonna be looking for most you.

1654
01:30:04,319 --> 01:30:07,319
Speaker 3: Know, we see these coaching searchers all the time where

1655
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,720
programs go for the big name and that doesn't always

1656
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:12,880
necessarily work out.

1657
01:30:13,319 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 4: Most recent example North Carolina with Bill Belichick.

1658
01:30:16,279 --> 01:30:18,600
Speaker 3: And you know some of the you know, I hear

1659
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,600
people talking big names like well, James Franklin's available now,

1660
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,479
or John Gruden, or we bring back Zach Robinson, whatever

1661
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:24,800
it may be.

1662
01:30:25,279 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 4: And where I would caution.

1663
01:30:27,039 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State fans, Jenny, and I think this goes along

1664
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,760
what you're talking about here. You know, you can win

1665
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,640
the press conference, sure with the big name at the beginning,

1666
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:38,199
but once you get down to the nuts and bolts,

1667
01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:40,680
this is about winning football games and building a program

1668
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,000
here and some of these coaches like a GJ. Kenney

1669
01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:47,920
or some of these others out there, I mean, that's

1670
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,600
the long term play. And I think if you're Oklahoma State,

1671
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,000
your focus has got to be not winning the press conference,

1672
01:30:53,039 --> 01:30:55,279
but what can we build this thing long term to

1673
01:30:55,319 --> 01:30:56,239
get to where we want to.

1674
01:30:56,239 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 6: Be well, And that's what Chad Weiberg, I mean, he

1675
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,279
alluded to that in his press conference. You know, I

1676
01:31:02,359 --> 01:31:04,520
think there was a lot of people that in the moment,

1677
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,960
like they fired my Gundy on a Tuesday, which is

1678
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,880
a weird day to fire a coach, Like they lost

1679
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:10,880
to Tulsa on Friday, and so there were a lot

1680
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,199
of people like, what are they doing fired them on Tuesday?

1681
01:31:14,319 --> 01:31:18,479
And Weyberg said, basically, listen, if we get this right,

1682
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,479
if this is if we if we make a great

1683
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:24,319
hire and we get the program back on the footing

1684
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,159
that Mike Gundy basically established the high level of you know,

1685
01:31:28,319 --> 01:31:31,159
contending and winning a lot of ball games. If that,

1686
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,560
if that guy gets them back to that level in

1687
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,640
a couple of years, nobody's going to be talking about

1688
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:38,880
the fact that Mike Gundy got fired on a Tuesday,

1689
01:31:39,359 --> 01:31:42,560
Like this is about the long game. And Chad Weiberg's mind, Now,

1690
01:31:43,119 --> 01:31:46,359
I do think that it's what you said is right,

1691
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,039
And it also strikes me that you don't want to

1692
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:53,279
be thinking in terms of finding the next twenty year

1693
01:31:53,399 --> 01:31:56,319
coach at Oklahoma State. Now, they may do it. Maybe

1694
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,680
they hired the next Mike Gundy that's there for two decades,

1695
01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:02,600
but maybe they also hire somebody that in five years,

1696
01:32:03,239 --> 01:32:06,319
four years, three years, is the next head coach at

1697
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,079
Penn State or Nebraska or you know whatever, fill in

1698
01:32:09,159 --> 01:32:13,279
whatever blank program I think you have to. It's sort

1699
01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:15,520
of like it's the new era in terms of how

1700
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,520
you build a program. It's a new era and how

1701
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:23,159
you know long what longevity looks like. So don't be

1702
01:32:23,319 --> 01:32:26,760
afraid to go after somebody that you think this guy

1703
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,079
may not be here in three or four years. Okay,

1704
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,600
that's fine. But if in three or four years he's

1705
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,479
gotten you back, you know that you're on the on

1706
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,880
ramp and you're back on the you know, the freeway,

1707
01:32:37,359 --> 01:32:39,680
you gotta hire that guy. If you think he's gonna

1708
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:41,680
do that in a couple of years, that's your guy,

1709
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,720
no matter what you think about, Oh, he's got ties

1710
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,520
to you know, Florida State, or he's got ties to

1711
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,560
blah blah blah. Don't worry about it. Do not worry

1712
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:54,079
about it. Hire the best person that you think is

1713
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:56,760
going to take you where you want to go in

1714
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,359
the next two to three to four years. I don't

1715
01:32:59,359 --> 01:33:02,159
think you can think about twenty years. You might get

1716
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:06,000
that guy, but that cannot be your focus because those

1717
01:33:06,119 --> 01:33:09,439
guys may may not exist in college football much anymore,

1718
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,159
and you're just gonna have to roll with it. You

1719
01:33:11,279 --> 01:33:13,800
might have to have another coaching search in five years.

1720
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,560
You're just gonna have to be okay with that, but

1721
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,640
find the guy that gets the job done as quickly

1722
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,239
as possible in the next couple of years.

1723
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:20,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1724
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 4: Do you think Oklahoma State has any regrets hiring Jimmy Johnson?

1725
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,960
I don't think so. Now it worked out pretty good

1726
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:28,800
all things considered last.

1727
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 3: Week on Oklahoma State, and then we'll shift gears over

1728
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,840
the thunder Mike Gundy.

1729
01:33:33,079 --> 01:33:35,119
Speaker 4: What is next you think for Mike?

1730
01:33:35,239 --> 01:33:39,199
Speaker 3: There's plenty of openings out there already, and I know

1731
01:33:39,359 --> 01:33:42,039
he would be fantastic on television. I don't know if

1732
01:33:42,039 --> 01:33:45,520
he's potentially interested in a political future. He's been out

1733
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,359
spoken on those views. What in the world do you

1734
01:33:48,399 --> 01:33:51,319
think Mike's gonna do next? And could Kale potentially be

1735
01:33:51,399 --> 01:33:52,239
along for the ride too?

1736
01:33:53,319 --> 01:33:53,520
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1737
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 6: You know, when Mike got fired, I can't remember if

1738
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,279
I was having this conversation or overhearing a conversation somebody

1739
01:34:02,399 --> 01:34:05,560
was talking about, you know, Gundhy in another job, and

1740
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,039
I was like, I would be like floored if he

1741
01:34:09,119 --> 01:34:12,640
took another job. I I guess I just don't. I

1742
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:16,279
don't know that I necessarily see him like people talked

1743
01:34:16,319 --> 01:34:19,560
about Arkansas, you know, like, does he really like does

1744
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:23,840
he really want to go to Arkansas? And like start,

1745
01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:26,119
I mean, they've got a lot of stuff to fix

1746
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:28,760
at Arkansas. Like does he does he really want to

1747
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,079
do that? I maybe he does.

1748
01:34:31,279 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1749
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:35,239
Speaker 6: I I maybe I could be dead wrong about this,

1750
01:34:35,399 --> 01:34:38,039
but I think I'm still going to be surprised if

1751
01:34:38,079 --> 01:34:41,560
Mike Gundhy is a head coach in college football. Again.

1752
01:34:42,199 --> 01:34:44,520
Maybe again, maybe I'm dead wrong, but that's sort of

1753
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,079
my sense. But I think the TV thing would be

1754
01:34:47,159 --> 01:34:52,319
a natural and I think he could, you know, do

1755
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,800
that and still enjoy some of the downtime that I

1756
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:59,840
think he may be rediscovering now, you know, it's just

1757
01:35:00,119 --> 01:35:04,359
such a heavy lift in college football anymore. And you know,

1758
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:09,560
I don't know, it feels like to me that it's

1759
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,600
just probably not likely that he takes another head coaching job,

1760
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,520
But would not be surprised to see him commentating about

1761
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,319
the game for you know, several years to come.

1762
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would be fantastic at that, I think, And

1763
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:27,199
we'll see how it plays out. Meanwhile, the Oklahoma City Thunder,

1764
01:35:27,279 --> 01:35:30,720
coming off a NBA championship for the first time in

1765
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:36,000
franchise history and now have to defend said title. And Genny,

1766
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:40,319
I look at that roster. They didn't change much, hardly

1767
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:44,239
anything at all from that championship team last year. This

1768
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,960
this feels like they're they're kind of just running it

1769
01:35:47,039 --> 01:35:48,920
back if sorts here with this young crew.

1770
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:54,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is very much the same roster they you know,

1771
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,880
got obviously some draft picks. One of their draft picks

1772
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,279
from a couple or from a year ago who was

1773
01:35:59,319 --> 01:36:03,279
hurt all last year. Lottery guy Nikola Topitch will be available.

1774
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:07,079
He's he's a tore in ACL and so now he

1775
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:11,039
is full go. So I think he's dealing with something

1776
01:36:11,359 --> 01:36:14,479
right now, but eventually it's not a season long thing again.

1777
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:18,479
So you know, that's kind of the addition frankly to

1778
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:22,720
this roster right now. So yeah, it does very much

1779
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:24,840
look like the same team. And I think the thing

1780
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,920
that's interesting is is that, you know, this was a

1781
01:36:29,039 --> 01:36:31,079
super young team a year ago when they won the title.

1782
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:34,000
They're still really young. I mean, it's not like there

1783
01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:37,760
suddenly these veteran you know, laid in their prime players,

1784
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,119
their big three are either just entering their prime or

1785
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:43,479
not even close to their prime yet. Whether you're talking

1786
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,880
about Shay Gildeth, Alexander Jalen Williams, or Chad Holmgren. So

1787
01:36:47,279 --> 01:36:50,800
you know, these are still young players and now they're

1788
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:56,000
NBA champions. So how does a championship change them? Does

1789
01:36:56,079 --> 01:36:58,319
it change them? Because really, I think one of the

1790
01:36:58,399 --> 01:37:03,319
thunder superpowers a year ago was guys that are really talented,

1791
01:37:04,079 --> 01:37:08,600
whether those stars or role players or other starters, they

1792
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:12,279
knew what they needed to do and they accepted and

1793
01:37:12,399 --> 01:37:16,960
embraced those roles, and that, to me is what made

1794
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:21,199
them great because you know, a guy like Chad Holmgren

1795
01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:22,960
could have you know, if he had if he had

1796
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:24,399
a big ego, it could have been like I gotta

1797
01:37:24,399 --> 01:37:27,159
get X amount of shots or uh, you know, Alex

1798
01:37:27,239 --> 01:37:30,119
Caruso's coming off the bench. He's been a starter in

1799
01:37:30,199 --> 01:37:32,640
a lot of places. He's won an NBA Championship, he

1800
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:34,399
was with the Lakers when they won in the in

1801
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:38,720
the Covid bubble, you know, he's been all NBA defense.

1802
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,279
I mean, like all those things. Guys like that could

1803
01:37:41,279 --> 01:37:43,520
have been like, hey, I got a start, you know,

1804
01:37:44,079 --> 01:37:45,920
I'm not coming off the bench. He could have pouted,

1805
01:37:46,039 --> 01:37:49,039
or any number of guys could have been that guy,

1806
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,439
and they didn't have that. Now that they're NBA champs,

1807
01:37:53,039 --> 01:37:55,520
you know, is there outside noise You just don't know?

1808
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:59,560
To me, like that's yes, they are the same in name,

1809
01:38:00,199 --> 01:38:04,680
but they're different. They've done things, They've been places that

1810
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,720
they weren't a year ago. So does that alter some

1811
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:13,279
of their superpowers? I think that's a question. My gut

1812
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:18,159
is that because their stars are really committed to winning.

1813
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:21,239
I mean, Shay Gilgas Alexander sets the tone for the

1814
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:26,159
entire thing, and he is one of probably the most

1815
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:31,439
deferential superstars that you'll find. He you know, is not

1816
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,199
afraid to pass it to open teammates even when he

1817
01:38:34,319 --> 01:38:37,920
has a really good shot or the moment is clutch.

1818
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:39,800
I mean, he even did that in the playoffs. He

1819
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,439
even did that in Game seven of the NBA Finals.

1820
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:46,159
So that is different than a lot of other superstars.

1821
01:38:46,279 --> 01:38:49,439
So I think it sets them up to handle and

1822
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:54,560
maneuver a different situation better than maybe some teams. But

1823
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:57,319
they still got to do it. I mean, and now

1824
01:38:57,399 --> 01:38:58,760
teams are going to be gun and for him a

1825
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,159
year ago, you know, they won sixty eight games in

1826
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:03,079
the regular season. But I think a lot of people

1827
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:06,600
around the NBA were like, we'll see these guys are young,

1828
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,319
you know, I don't know, we'll find out if they're

1829
01:39:09,359 --> 01:39:12,000
really that good. Well, now they've won the title. You know,

1830
01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:16,560
there's teams that a year ago were you know, bottom feeders,

1831
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:18,199
and the Thunder went in there and they thrashed them.

1832
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:20,600
Now those guys are gonna look at games against the

1833
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,920
Thunder as a chance to make a statement. And so

1834
01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:25,520
everybody's going to be playing at a high level against

1835
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:27,920
these guys. So I think, you know, they may not

1836
01:39:28,039 --> 01:39:30,199
win sixty eight games again, I wouldn't be surprised to

1837
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:33,159
see him not do that. But I think they're still

1838
01:39:33,279 --> 01:39:36,760
a really good team, and you know, it's gonna be

1839
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:42,960
very interesting to see how they adapt, how they change,

1840
01:39:43,039 --> 01:39:47,000
how they improve, maybe where they have their struggles. But

1841
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:49,039
I think they've got a lot of things going for him,

1842
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,520
you know, namely three guys that are super talented and

1843
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,640
super young. So they've got those three signed through I

1844
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:01,159
think it's twenty thirty one, So it's a it's an

1845
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:04,119
unbelievable runway that they potentially have in front of them

1846
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:05,880
that they're really just kind of getting started on.

1847
01:40:06,279 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, no question about it.

1848
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:12,039
Speaker 3: You mentioned the young talent on this team, and I'm wondering, Ginny,

1849
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,920
who is going to be that next player or maybe

1850
01:40:16,039 --> 01:40:20,239
players poral that takes a big step forward. We saw

1851
01:40:20,399 --> 01:40:24,239
Jalen Williams take a massive step last year. She took

1852
01:40:24,279 --> 01:40:26,319
a big step as well, and he was injured for

1853
01:40:26,399 --> 01:40:28,880
much of the season. Who's a player or two that's

1854
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,520
got your eye that that could could elevate things? Is

1855
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:34,680
it a caseon Wallace potentially? Who catches your attention?

1856
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think Cason Wallace is the one

1857
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:40,000
that kind of springs to mind for me. You know,

1858
01:40:40,119 --> 01:40:44,680
a guy that really found minutes because he defensively was

1859
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:49,079
was really good as a rookie than last year. I

1860
01:40:49,159 --> 01:40:52,279
think elevated from there. But you know, I think he's

1861
01:40:52,359 --> 01:40:55,840
probably when you think about sort of, you know, across

1862
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,279
the board, what he can get better at, I think

1863
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:01,399
I think he could really take some steps. But I think,

1864
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:03,840
you know, I think chet Holmgren might be the guy

1865
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,239
I'd be most I think could take the biggest steps

1866
01:41:07,239 --> 01:41:10,680
because he obviously has hurt all his rookie year, doesn't

1867
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,119
play that first year, then he plays all eighty two games,

1868
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:15,800
you know, two years ago, and then last year has

1869
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:20,159
that just awful hip fracture falls out of the sky

1870
01:41:20,399 --> 01:41:24,159
practically when he breaks that hip. You know, Sam Presty

1871
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:26,920
talked about, I think it was at his season ending

1872
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:31,560
press conference a year ago, just how bad the pain

1873
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,199
was for Chet Holmgren. I think Sam Presty basically said

1874
01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:37,439
it's like the worst pain he's ever seen somebody dealing with,

1875
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:41,520
and just how awful that broken hip was. And Cheded

1876
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,239
Holmgren's basically immobilized in his bed for weeks, you know,

1877
01:41:45,399 --> 01:41:48,439
trying to heal. He comes back, plays very limited amount

1878
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:53,039
with Isaiah Hartenstein, very limited just in general. So I

1879
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:56,840
think if Chet Holmgren can stay on the floor, his

1880
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,520
physical abilities, his mental makeup, He's another guy that like

1881
01:42:01,039 --> 01:42:05,239
he's all basketball like you know people, and I think

1882
01:42:05,319 --> 01:42:09,600
there's a little bit of like wimby Chet, you know stuff,

1883
01:42:10,039 --> 01:42:12,600
But for the most part, Check really seems like a

1884
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,000
guy that's just like, Okay, let's just play ball. Like

1885
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:16,680
I don't really care. I'm not going to buy into

1886
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:19,039
all this talk and the hype and all that jazz.

1887
01:42:19,239 --> 01:42:21,640
He just wants to go out there, play, win, go home.

1888
01:42:22,039 --> 01:42:26,199
So like, if he can stay healthy and play a

1889
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:28,960
little bit more with Hartenstein, they can figure out that

1890
01:42:29,239 --> 01:42:32,239
too big rotation. But he can also play, you know

1891
01:42:32,319 --> 01:42:34,920
with their smaller lineup, and you know, how does he

1892
01:42:35,039 --> 01:42:37,840
guard the rim? How does he stretch the floor offensively?

1893
01:42:38,039 --> 01:42:40,159
I mean all those things that we kind of started

1894
01:42:40,199 --> 01:42:43,319
to see, Like before he got hurt last year, My god,

1895
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:45,640
he was so good. You were like, okay, he's about

1896
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:48,000
to hit the rocket ship. Then he gets hurt, and

1897
01:42:48,119 --> 01:42:49,920
then it was just a miracle that he was able

1898
01:42:50,039 --> 01:42:53,319
to integrate himself back into I mean, he basically jumped

1899
01:42:53,359 --> 01:42:56,560
on a bullet train that was already you know, you know,

1900
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:59,520
zooming down the track, and he figured out a way

1901
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,439
to have effect winning and you know, be really good

1902
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:04,800
for them. But he's already on the bullet train now.

1903
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,239
Like if he can just you know, figure out where

1904
01:43:07,279 --> 01:43:10,399
he can plug in be better, make him better, I

1905
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:12,840
think we could see big steps by chet Holmgern this year.

1906
01:43:13,159 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 3: All right, last question, Lenna, this jitny does it happen again?

1907
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,760
Do the thunder repeat? And if they don't, how far

1908
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:20,800
do you see them.

1909
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:21,399
Speaker 4: Going this year?

1910
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:25,079
Speaker 6: Oh man, the West is so tough. That's the thing

1911
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:27,479
that like you just you look around the West and

1912
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,920
you're like, good grief. You know, they had what was

1913
01:43:31,279 --> 01:43:34,800
a heavyweight about with the Nuggets in the second round

1914
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:38,479
a year ago, and just you know, trading body blows

1915
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:42,199
and you know, Nikola Jokic does this, and Shay Gildess

1916
01:43:42,199 --> 01:43:44,880
Alexander does that, and I mean it's just it was

1917
01:43:45,039 --> 01:43:49,479
just an unbelievably epic series. And you know, you could see,

1918
01:43:50,079 --> 01:43:53,800
like Durance in Houston, like what's Houston gonna be if

1919
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,399
they can sort of take their young core and their

1920
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,279
veterans and merge it together and make it work, Like

1921
01:44:00,079 --> 01:44:03,800
what are they gonna be? Denver? Still, you know, got

1922
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,359
some really good players as long as they got Jokic.

1923
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:09,880
He makes everybody around him so good. I mean, can

1924
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,880
the Spurs, you know, with Wimby, can they get going?

1925
01:44:13,039 --> 01:44:17,720
I mean, there's just so many great or potentially great

1926
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:20,439
teams in the West. It feels like you're gonna have

1927
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:22,680
to have I mean, you're gonna have to stay healthy.

1928
01:44:23,319 --> 01:44:25,520
Guys are gonna have to be playing well. Your stars

1929
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,800
are gonna have to play well. I mean, the deck

1930
01:44:29,039 --> 01:44:32,439
is stacked against anybody repeating right now, we've seen it.

1931
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,960
We haven't seen a repeat championship champion since the Warriors

1932
01:44:36,039 --> 01:44:38,880
did it in seventeen eighteen, So the odds would say,

1933
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:39,920
are they gonna do it again?

1934
01:44:40,319 --> 01:44:40,359
Speaker 5: No?

1935
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:45,199
Speaker 6: But they they're so good and they're so young. You know,

1936
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:48,880
if luck falls their way, I think they got a

1937
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,119
great chance. I think they've got a great pedigree. I

1938
01:44:51,159 --> 01:44:55,479
think they've got a great system, a great mentality, all

1939
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,680
those sorts of things. And you know, a transcendent player

1940
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:02,760
in shake guildess Alexander doesn't hurt. So the odds would

1941
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,640
say no, But man, it's hard. It's hard to bet

1942
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:06,119
against him.

1943
01:45:06,199 --> 01:45:09,319
Speaker 3: Right now, Jenny, before we go plug away, tell people

1944
01:45:09,359 --> 01:45:12,840
where they can see all your work and follow ever

1945
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,920
each thing, all your coverage of Oh you Will, what's you?

1946
01:45:15,039 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 4: And the thunder?

1947
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:15,600
Speaker 5: Here.

1948
01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:18,600
Speaker 6: The best place to find me as our website, Oklahoma

1949
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:20,920
dot com. If you go to our sports page, I've

1950
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:23,840
got my own tab. People can find me there, find

1951
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:27,000
all the stuff that I've written. But I'm on the Socials,

1952
01:45:27,399 --> 01:45:30,399
Blue Skies my go to right now. I think I'm

1953
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,439
just at Jenny Carlson Underscore. Okay, maybe just j E

1954
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,800
n N. I look me up. I'm there. Try to

1955
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:40,119
stay as connected as possible, But Oklahoma dot Com is

1956
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:41,039
the best way to find me.

1957
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,079
Speaker 3: Awesome stuff Jenny appreciate the time. As always, we'll talk

1958
01:45:44,079 --> 01:45:44,720
you in down the line.

1959
01:45:45,079 --> 01:45:46,560
Speaker 6: All right, Thanks Tyler.

1960
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:50,079
Speaker 5: Big.

1961
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:53,159
Speaker 3: Thanks to Jenny Carlson for joining us. You heard her

1962
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:55,600
talking a little bit about the Oklahoma City Thunder. Let's

1963
01:45:55,640 --> 01:46:00,399
continue the NBA discussion as the NBA season is just

1964
01:46:01,159 --> 01:46:05,079
a few days away. Thomas Bridge is back here with me.

1965
01:46:05,279 --> 01:46:09,560
Let's preview the twenty twenty five through twenty sixth season. Tom,

1966
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,840
Let's start with the defending champions, the Oklahoma City Thunder.

1967
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:16,520
And this has been the feel good story of the

1968
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,199
NBA the last few years. Right, this young team that

1969
01:46:19,359 --> 01:46:22,520
was ahead of schedule, that was all home grown, that

1970
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:26,479
delivered the first title to Oklahoma City that Kad and

1971
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:30,000
Russ could not And with all the players they've had

1972
01:46:30,039 --> 01:46:33,399
over the years, from Paul George to Carmelo Anthony, Serge Ibaka,

1973
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:35,199
James Harden, you name it, none of.

1974
01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:36,279
Speaker 2: Those guys could win a title.

1975
01:46:36,319 --> 01:46:39,239
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City finally gets it done. Then they get the

1976
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:45,399
extensions worked out, the max contracts for SGA and Jalen

1977
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:48,000
Williams and chatting all this. But now here we are,

1978
01:46:48,319 --> 01:46:50,680
and we mentioned this a little bit with Arizona State.

1979
01:46:51,079 --> 01:46:53,920
It's a whole different mindset when you go from the

1980
01:46:54,039 --> 01:46:58,560
hunter to the hunted. And Oklahoma City is still one

1981
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,600
of the youngest teams in the league, still is one

1982
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:01,960
of the youngest coaches.

1983
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:02,039
Speaker 2: In the league.

1984
01:47:02,039 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 3: And Mark Dagnault here and now they'll have a target

1985
01:47:06,039 --> 01:47:09,680
on their back. Everybody's full attention here. That's a whole

1986
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:13,239
different mindset. I think for Oklahoma City, the only thing

1987
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,720
that is stopping them from winning the title this year

1988
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:19,399
is going to be the injury bug. And if they

1989
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:23,600
can keep chet Sga Jalen Williams all healthy when it

1990
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:26,119
comes crunch down to the postseason, there'll be another title

1991
01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:28,680
coming to Oklahoma City. But we've seen some bad luck.

1992
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:32,439
Some team seasons are already over before it starts. Indiana

1993
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:36,520
with Haliburton, you look at you know, the Celtics with

1994
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:37,600
Tatum out.

1995
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:40,680
Speaker 2: For me, that's what it comes down to for Oklahoma City.

1996
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:42,359
Speaker 3: What do you think about the thunder heading into the

1997
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:44,239
twenty twenty five through twenty six campaign.

1998
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,239
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's definitely difficult to go back to back.

1999
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:52,560
Even my team, the Spurs, have never been able to

2000
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:56,039
go back to back, and they've tried many times. But

2001
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,039
you know, the great teams that have gone back to back,

2002
01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:06,279
Golden State, Chicago Bulls, LA Lakers. Obviously, you know, I'm

2003
01:48:06,319 --> 01:48:09,239
trying to the Heat. I guess the Heat never went

2004
01:48:09,319 --> 01:48:13,760
back to the Heatles didn't go back to back. You know,

2005
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:18,640
it is a lot more difficult. I don't want to

2006
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:22,439
say you as a team that you hunt for that

2007
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:26,479
next second title in a row. I don't I don't

2008
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:30,359
want to call it you. You're not satisfied, and maybe

2009
01:48:30,399 --> 01:48:32,560
I don't know, in some ways, maybe you are. Maybe

2010
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:36,560
you're a little bit more relaxed. This team is still

2011
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:39,720
so young, though, that they don't have a super aging

2012
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:42,359
vet that I can think of that you know, maybe says,

2013
01:48:42,359 --> 01:48:45,560
hey we got a ring, we're good, and it takes

2014
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,560
a little bit easier. I think this team is still

2015
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,880
so young that they're still hungry and I don't think

2016
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:56,960
they're satiated yet in terms of wanting to be done chasing.

2017
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:59,680
Speaker 3: So then who's the next team in the West who

2018
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:02,039
is going to be the big challenger to the Thunder.

2019
01:49:03,159 --> 01:49:05,960
I like what the Nuggets did this offseason with the

2020
01:49:06,079 --> 01:49:11,760
changes they made, and they kind of sacrifice some big

2021
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,359
contracts to focus in on making that roster as a

2022
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:18,960
whole better for Joker squad there and they were the

2023
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,680
biggest challenger to the Thunder last year, taking them to

2024
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:23,279
seven games in the Western Conference.

2025
01:49:24,039 --> 01:49:24,960
Speaker 2: You'll look at the Rockets.

2026
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 3: A lot of people talking about that Rockets team bringing

2027
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,479
in Kevin Durant last year, they won a ton of games,

2028
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,560
we got knocked out early in the postseason. kN KD

2029
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:36,079
carried that team to take that next step. And then

2030
01:49:36,119 --> 01:49:39,600
of course there's the Los Angeles Lakers and Luca his

2031
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:44,239
first full season in LA Lebron James. How much does

2032
01:49:44,319 --> 01:49:47,319
he still have left to offer as a top player

2033
01:49:47,359 --> 01:49:50,960
in this league? And do they have enough talent around them? Tom,

2034
01:49:51,319 --> 01:49:55,079
who is that next team that is going to be

2035
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:57,640
the biggest challenger in to Oklahoma City or maybe somebody

2036
01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:00,760
we haven't mentioned here. I lean towards Denver because they

2037
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,800
have the second best player in the world and Joker

2038
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:07,760
only behind SGA, But I expect the Rockets to win

2039
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,079
a lot of games. I'm not a believer in the

2040
01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:13,199
LA Lakers though. I think that's that's a team. That's

2041
01:50:13,239 --> 01:50:15,640
a good team, but I don't think that's a championship team.

2042
01:50:17,159 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 5: No, I think you're right about the Lakers. I think

2043
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:24,520
this might I don't know. I'm not sure if you

2044
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:27,239
I don't think he would announce it if he was

2045
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:29,640
hell bent on saying it, because I think he wants

2046
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,479
a retirement tour. I don't know, is this the last

2047
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,399
year on Lebron? Does he does he coast and and

2048
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:38,960
be flashy? I think does he put on the Kobe

2049
01:50:39,079 --> 01:50:42,000
Tour where, you know, try to get as many points

2050
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,520
as he can. I don't know if that's what we

2051
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,680
see out of Lebron. I'm to be honest, it feels

2052
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:51,399
like the past couple of seasons he's obviously been still

2053
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,159
very good at his age, But at what point, at

2054
01:50:54,199 --> 01:50:58,159
what point does that kind of just relax and say

2055
01:50:58,159 --> 01:51:00,239
I've done enough. I don't think the Lakers can win

2056
01:51:00,319 --> 01:51:03,600
it this year, honestly. Uh. You mentioned Denver. I think

2057
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:05,920
that's the biggest threat to Okay. See we saw in

2058
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:09,399
the get in the seven games. You know, I think

2059
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:12,880
Hartenstein being a part of Oklahoma City kind of swayed

2060
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,479
that a bit. We'll see if check can stay healthy.

2061
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:19,279
You mentioned the injury bug Minnesota. I mean, I know

2062
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:22,359
Oklahoma City took care of business to get this against

2063
01:51:22,399 --> 01:51:25,039
them pretty easily, but I think they'll be back. I

2064
01:51:25,119 --> 01:51:28,039
don't agree with you against Houston because Houston lost Fred

2065
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:31,920
van van Vliet. I think that for he's done for

2066
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,239
the season. I think Houston will still be good and

2067
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:36,920
Katie will still put up numbers, and Houston will be

2068
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,520
a tough out. But I don't think I don't think

2069
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:44,000
Houston could challenge Oklahoma City at all. Obviously, I have

2070
01:51:44,039 --> 01:51:46,239
to throw in the Spurs. They look pretty good. I

2071
01:51:46,319 --> 01:51:51,079
know it's preseason. Uh, Dylan Harper already as a rookie

2072
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:54,199
looks really good. Now you get you get Deer and

2073
01:51:54,319 --> 01:51:58,119
Fox healthy, Deer and Fox coming out to pair with Wimby.

2074
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:00,880
You get the off season addition of Cordnett, who has

2075
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,640
looked phenomenal so far. They already have a name for

2076
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:08,640
the Cornet Wemby connection called French Vanilla. And then you

2077
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:11,479
have Rookie of the Year Castle coming back. I don't

2078
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:13,720
know if you've seen the new patches that the NBA

2079
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:18,520
drop Jones. There's three players that will have the golden

2080
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:21,359
patch on the back of their jersey. One is SGA

2081
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:25,840
for the MVP, the other is I believe Mobley for

2082
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:29,319
Defensive Player of the Year. And then Stefan Castle will

2083
01:52:29,359 --> 01:52:31,560
have one of those patches as the reigning rookie of

2084
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:36,520
the year. I think the Spurs. I'm not gonna say

2085
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,000
they're gonna challenge Okohma City for a championship or anything,

2086
01:52:39,039 --> 01:52:41,159
but this is the year that Spurs make it back

2087
01:52:41,159 --> 01:52:44,039
to the playoffs and they will be We could we

2088
01:52:44,079 --> 01:52:45,840
could see chet Wimby series.

2089
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:49,640
Speaker 3: You mentioned the Spurs and one team we didn't talk

2090
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:52,640
about in that same stage as the Dallas Mavericks and

2091
01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:56,680
the rookie Cooper Flag. Crazy that the college basketball season

2092
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:58,920
last year was all about Cooper Flag and I haven't

2093
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,960
really heard much about Cooper Flag in the last couple

2094
01:53:02,039 --> 01:53:02,439
of months.

2095
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:03,319
Speaker 2: That's kind of faded.

2096
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,359
Speaker 3: But with that said, Tom, the NBA has had a

2097
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:11,159
star problem, right. There's been an ongoing discussion for months

2098
01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:13,760
on end of who is the new face of the league,

2099
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:15,520
And you had Ant saying I don't want to be

2100
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:20,359
that guy, and then others saying, well Sga and Joker,

2101
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:22,560
they're not from the United States. That's kind of tough

2102
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:25,359
build to sell. And all this, I would say, at

2103
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:28,680
least for the league, something that's promising. I don't think

2104
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:32,399
either team's a championship contending team with Dallas with Flag

2105
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:37,640
or San Antonio with Victor, but I think those guys

2106
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,840
are two young stars with a ton of potential, and

2107
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,760
I'm excited just as a consumer just to see what

2108
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:45,800
those guys are going to do.

2109
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:50,079
Speaker 2: I think that there's potential where maybe we're looking.

2110
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:52,680
Speaker 3: At those two being the young guys that kind of

2111
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,600
carry this league into its next future going forward.

2112
01:53:56,640 --> 01:54:00,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you mentioned, you know, not in from the US.

2113
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:05,960
Look at look at Sga being from Canada, Luca being Slovenian.

2114
01:54:07,159 --> 01:54:14,640
Jokic will help me out here. There's Slovenia. Yeah, and

2115
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:19,279
or yes, so where lucas either Slovenian or Slovakia. He's

2116
01:54:19,359 --> 01:54:26,479
over there. Yeah. Victors from France, the USA, the USA

2117
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:29,319
team and twenty twenty eight better have their ship ready

2118
01:54:29,359 --> 01:54:33,199
to go. Ah. And you know this year the NBA

2119
01:54:33,279 --> 01:54:37,439
All Star Game is USA versus World, I believe. Yeah,

2120
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:41,279
I don't want to call it a takeover. Yeah, I

2121
01:54:41,319 --> 01:54:45,119
think there are still some you know, up and coming

2122
01:54:45,239 --> 01:54:48,479
promising Uh, you know American players, Jason Tatum being one

2123
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:50,600
of them, but he's out for the season.

2124
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:51,319
Speaker 6: Uh.

2125
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 5: We were really getting to see a transition where the

2126
01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:00,159
NBA is is global and and it's all it has

2127
01:55:00,199 --> 01:55:04,079
been somewhat global, you know, Dirk, Yeah, I mean Genobli,

2128
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:07,399
those players that we grew up with, but now it's

2129
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,199
it's it's way different now.

2130
01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 3: The Eastern Conference, let's talk about that real quick, Tom,

2131
01:55:14,319 --> 01:55:17,199
that is a wide open mess what's going on in

2132
01:55:17,279 --> 01:55:20,159
the East because of what we mentioned with the Pacers

2133
01:55:20,279 --> 01:55:24,239
and the Celtics with their injuries. I think the Celtics

2134
01:55:24,439 --> 01:55:27,359
are the biggest unknown of any team in the NBA.

2135
01:55:28,079 --> 01:55:30,840
I think the Knicks are gonna be good, although I

2136
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,960
didn't like the hiring of Mike Brown personally. I thought

2137
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:38,359
that was a downgrade from from Tibbs. The Cavs won

2138
01:55:38,399 --> 01:55:40,239
more games than anybody in the East last year and

2139
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:43,600
got knocked out early. They should be improved here. I

2140
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:46,880
think i'd leaned towards Cleveland, but I don't say that

2141
01:55:47,039 --> 01:55:48,159
with a whole lot of confidence.

2142
01:55:48,199 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 2: I think the East is pretty wide open.

2143
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know be interested to see Miles

2144
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:58,960
Turner edition on the Bucks. You mentioned the Knicks could

2145
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:01,840
be still in I think they will be. You mentioned

2146
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:05,359
the Cavs. I think Detroit takes another step up, and

2147
01:56:05,479 --> 01:56:08,680
I think dark horse again was the Orlando Magic.

2148
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:15,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're gonna be a very improved team.

2149
01:56:15,159 --> 01:56:18,359
Speaker 2: I like what Orlando's doing. Yeah, that's that's a good call.

2150
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 3: Tom Let's give out our MVP and championship picks. It

2151
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:26,079
was on this program a year ago that Thomas Bridge

2152
01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:28,479
just picked the Oklahoma City Thunder to win the NBA

2153
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:31,239
title last year. Will he do it for a second

2154
01:56:31,239 --> 01:56:33,960
straight year? We'll find out in a moment, tom My

2155
01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:40,319
MVP pick. I am gonna go with Anthony Edwards to

2156
01:56:40,399 --> 01:56:45,279
win the MVP. I think that one of the reasons

2157
01:56:45,319 --> 01:56:48,000
why I'm going with him. I believe he has a

2158
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:52,359
bigger assignment to carry his team as opposed to what

2159
01:56:53,319 --> 01:56:57,239
SGA does in Oklahoma City or what even Joker has

2160
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:00,800
in Denver. They are gonna need every ounce they can

2161
01:57:01,079 --> 01:57:05,000
from Ant. They're gonna need eighty two games out of ant. Uh.

2162
01:57:05,159 --> 01:57:07,079
That's why I got aunt winning the MVP. Who do

2163
01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:08,000
you have winning the MVP?

2164
01:57:09,479 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna call it. I've seen enough, I've

2165
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:18,520
seen the offseason work, I've followed it. Victor Wimanyama MVP

2166
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:19,039
this year?

2167
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:24,239
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I should have known you were going that direction.

2168
01:57:25,319 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 5: I called last year. I didn't say SGA. I don't

2169
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,760
know who I picked last year, but I did call.

2170
01:57:32,279 --> 01:57:34,560
I did at this time last season, I called the

2171
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:35,720
winner of the championship.

2172
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 3: Okay, so those are MVP picks. Championship, give me Thunder.

2173
01:57:41,399 --> 01:57:45,880
Calves and the Thunder go back to back as NBA champions.

2174
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:48,640
Hopefully this is not a curse that I'm putting on

2175
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:52,920
the Thunder, that I'm not jinxing them, but I'm a believer.

2176
01:57:53,279 --> 01:57:56,039
I just don't see anything getting in their way outside

2177
01:57:56,079 --> 01:58:00,960
of injuries. This is the best team on paper. Oklahoma

2178
01:58:01,039 --> 01:58:03,000
City gets it done again. Who is in the title

2179
01:58:03,079 --> 01:58:04,960
and who wins a tough I.

2180
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,960
Speaker 5: Will also take the Calves and Thunder. I don't think

2181
01:58:09,279 --> 01:58:11,720
I think it's too hard in today's league to go

2182
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:15,520
back to back. I'm gonna pick the Calves doing it all.

2183
01:58:17,359 --> 01:58:19,720
I think the Thunder can get there. I think it.

2184
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:23,520
I think it's a six to seven game series obviously,

2185
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:27,840
barring injuries. I mean, if you know, if any one

2186
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:30,800
of these teams has a big injury, then I think

2187
01:58:31,479 --> 01:58:35,039
if OKC was to knock on wood, if they have

2188
01:58:35,159 --> 01:58:38,479
an injury bug, then I think, really anybody from the

2189
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:43,439
Western Conference that we've talked about being a playoff threat

2190
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:47,079
could honestly make the finals. And then at that point,

2191
01:58:47,119 --> 01:58:49,520
I think in the East, you really have the Calves

2192
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:53,399
I think could get there. And then maybe surprise. We

2193
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:57,239
saw Indian Apple. We saw this Indiana Pacers team who

2194
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:00,399
looked honestly looked like kind of like dog shit in

2195
01:59:00,439 --> 01:59:02,319
the middle of the season last year, no one had

2196
01:59:02,359 --> 01:59:05,960
them going. They take the Thunder to seven games. Maybe

2197
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:07,920
a team from the East like that can do it again.

2198
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:10,119
If Cleveland Cavaliers can't get it done, maybe a team

2199
01:59:10,239 --> 01:59:14,439
like Orlando can surprise and be this year's Indiana.

2200
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:16,199
Speaker 2: There you go.

2201
01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 3: Before we wrap up Top four town fully Story of

2202
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:23,600
the Week topas Pritcher's standing by with something ridiculous happening

2203
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:23,960
in the world.

2204
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:25,119
Speaker 2: Tom, where are we going to this time?

2205
01:59:26,119 --> 01:59:29,840
Speaker 5: Jones? We are going to Sin City. I don't feel

2206
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:35,119
we've been to Vegas in a while, and like its name,

2207
01:59:36,319 --> 01:59:40,560
this is a very sin City thing to happen. We've

2208
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:44,520
seen this, uh most I guess most recently we've we've

2209
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:49,319
been to this trip club World probably, And I can

2210
01:59:49,399 --> 01:59:52,000
remember in twenty twenty when the when you know, the

2211
01:59:52,119 --> 01:59:55,760
pandemic shut everything down and they were doing like drive

2212
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,359
through strip tease shit or you know, you could just

2213
01:59:58,479 --> 02:00:02,640
brag your car and you flash beautiful. This time is

2214
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:06,960
different now. The world's not shut down right now, and

2215
02:00:07,039 --> 02:00:10,880
it's not due to a pandemic. However, the United States

2216
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:15,720
government is shut down right now and a lot of

2217
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:19,720
people who are federal employees think thankfully has not affected me.

2218
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:24,920
Kind of being adjacent to that field, are not getting

2219
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,880
paid right now, though the promise of back pay is

2220
02:00:28,119 --> 02:00:34,880
supposedly on the way. All that being said, in support

2221
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:40,479
of those who are being furloughed or not being paid currently,

2222
02:00:41,239 --> 02:00:45,199
a famous strip club in Vegas are doing what they

2223
02:00:45,319 --> 02:00:49,479
can to help. Famous Las Vegas Strip Club is extending

2224
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:53,199
a helpful hand to government employees in need during the shutdown.

2225
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:56,199
The government is currently shut down and it is unclear

2226
02:00:56,359 --> 02:00:58,479
when it's going to reopen. I believe we're on week

2227
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:04,399
three at the time of this recording. That means government

2228
02:01:04,439 --> 02:01:07,399
employees are furloughed or first forced to work without pay.

2229
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:09,920
Now they will get back paid, but for the time being,

2230
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:14,079
there won't be payment during the shutdown. Also, forgot to

2231
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:17,359
mention this comes from your friends at OutKick. As someone

2232
02:01:17,399 --> 02:01:19,680
who lives in the Washington, DC area, I can tell

2233
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:21,960
you people aren't happy at all. Many businesses in the

2234
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,960
area are offering specials and that now all extends the

2235
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:28,319
way to Vegas. Crazy Horse three, one of the most

2236
02:01:28,359 --> 02:01:31,039
famous strip clubs in the country, announced on Tuesday morning

2237
02:01:31,079 --> 02:01:35,520
that it's launching a Strippers Against Shutdowns campaign. Now this

2238
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:37,159
is the kind of action we need to see in

2239
02:01:37,319 --> 02:01:40,239
order to get this country rolling again. The club is

2240
02:01:40,359 --> 02:01:44,000
offering a free lap dance to unpaid and furloughed government workers.

2241
02:01:44,399 --> 02:01:48,119
People must prevent a present a valid government issued ID

2242
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:50,880
in order to get the offer. According to the release,

2243
02:01:51,359 --> 02:01:53,760
Las Vegas has always been about taking care of people

2244
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:57,920
who work hard, and right now a lot of our

2245
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:01,239
instrumental federal employees who keep this country running or feeling

2246
02:02:01,279 --> 02:02:06,000
the impact of politics putting paychecks on pause. We wanted

2247
02:02:06,039 --> 02:02:08,880
to find a fun, uniquely Vegas way to show support

2248
02:02:09,279 --> 02:02:11,720
and remind everyone that a little entertainment can go a

2249
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:16,640
long way, even in hard times. Onr Nandos Stelio said

2250
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:20,479
in the release, it's in our darkest hard times, maybe

2251
02:02:21,079 --> 02:02:24,119
in our darkest times when we see people brought together.

2252
02:02:24,119 --> 02:02:27,039
It's in the sorry it is in our darkest times

2253
02:02:27,079 --> 02:02:30,039
that we see people brought together. The shutdown will not

2254
02:02:30,199 --> 02:02:32,600
most the most serious event ever, is not fun for

2255
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:35,640
people waiting get paid well crazy horse theory is here

2256
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:37,479
to help if you're into that kind of thing. As

2257
02:02:37,479 --> 02:02:39,560
I've said before, I'm not a trip club guy at all,

2258
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:43,239
as zero appeal for me. But different folks, for different strokes.

2259
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:46,800
You're gonna drown your sorrows. The Las Vegas trip after

2260
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:48,680
hitting the tables for a few hours with the boys

2261
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:51,279
might not be the worst idea I've ever heard. There's

2262
02:02:51,319 --> 02:02:55,000
certainly a lot less appealing options. Also, is it just me?

2263
02:02:55,279 --> 02:02:57,600
Is the government shutdown not really getting as much attention

2264
02:02:57,680 --> 02:03:00,359
as the previous ones? He kind of keeps going on.

2265
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:03,119
It's really not being talked about as much as the

2266
02:03:03,159 --> 02:03:09,079
past one, at least not in my circles that you

2267
02:03:09,199 --> 02:03:11,880
know that I'm a part of. But Jones, if you

2268
02:03:12,119 --> 02:03:18,439
I'm not technically a government employee thankfully right now, so

2269
02:03:19,479 --> 02:03:22,960
it is affecting people who I work with in different

2270
02:03:23,079 --> 02:03:30,600
in other and other parts of the government contracting world, thankfully,

2271
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:33,840
not me. I'm not a big strip club guy either, really.

2272
02:03:34,039 --> 02:03:37,640
Sure I've went, but at the same time, I think

2273
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:40,960
if I'm a federal employee, I'm probably not traveling to Vegas.

2274
02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:46,000
I think, if anything, it should be a DC area

2275
02:03:46,159 --> 02:03:51,239
strip club offering this. Uh, I think at the same

2276
02:03:51,319 --> 02:03:56,600
time it I think it's meant well. But obviously Vegas.

2277
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:59,399
Vegas isn't doing very hot right now either. From all

2278
02:03:59,479 --> 02:04:02,680
reports that I've heard that Vegas is losing people.

2279
02:04:03,279 --> 02:04:04,359
Speaker 2: So Vegas is dead.

2280
02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:07,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think this is a way for the

2281
02:04:07,479 --> 02:04:09,800
strip club to try to garner more business in there.

2282
02:04:10,319 --> 02:04:14,279
Speaker 2: Oh, the strip club here has an ulterior motive.

2283
02:04:14,439 --> 02:04:18,279
Speaker 3: This is not with the all we feel bad for

2284
02:04:19,239 --> 02:04:24,520
the government employees that are being furloughed right now and

2285
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:25,520
laid off.

2286
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:28,119
Speaker 2: This is we are taking advantage of.

2287
02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:31,920
Speaker 3: Them and they're free time that they have on their

2288
02:04:31,960 --> 02:04:34,399
hands and a little bit of money that they have.

2289
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:41,079
Speaker 2: This is like getting a poor man to go to

2290
02:04:41,159 --> 02:04:42,720
the casino essentially.

2291
02:04:43,159 --> 02:04:44,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like taking an alcoholic to a bar.

2292
02:04:45,439 --> 02:04:49,880
Speaker 3: Yes, this is exactly what this is. This is not

2293
02:04:50,079 --> 02:04:52,720
them looking out for you. This is them roping you

2294
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:56,880
in and trying to find something. Now, with that said,

2295
02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:00,319
there are I'm sure some government employees in the Vegas

2296
02:05:00,399 --> 02:05:03,239
area that are without work right now.

2297
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:05,359
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, air traffic controllers.

2298
02:05:05,399 --> 02:05:08,199
Speaker 3: I think it's been a big topic of discussion when

2299
02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:11,199
it comes to the shutdown of of those affected and

2300
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:14,000
and other workers in that sense. I was hearing a

2301
02:05:14,079 --> 02:05:19,159
story about some air traffic controller that's having to uh,

2302
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:23,680
you know, drive uber eats just to kind of put

2303
02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:25,479
food on the table for his family to make some

2304
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:29,600
money right now, which of course is not ideal in

2305
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:33,920
these circumstances, in these situations here. But no, they're they're

2306
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:37,000
not looking out for you now, not like Bill O'Reilly.

2307
02:05:37,039 --> 02:05:40,399
They're not looking out for you. They just try to

2308
02:05:40,439 --> 02:05:43,119
take advantage of you here. That's that's all this is.

2309
02:05:44,680 --> 02:05:50,359
Speaker 5: Isn't that what strip clubs do? Anyway? Yes, I will

2310
02:05:50,439 --> 02:05:58,239
say in the in talking about things getting shut down there,

2311
02:05:58,279 --> 02:06:01,000
and I knew there was one in San Antonio, but

2312
02:06:01,119 --> 02:06:03,560
I could never find it, or I guess I didn't

2313
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:06,560
technically go looking. I knew it was around, and I

2314
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:09,199
never passed by it because I would have taken a

2315
02:06:09,279 --> 02:06:12,359
picture of the sign and sent it to you. I

2316
02:06:12,439 --> 02:06:14,840
did see today. There's a strip club in San Antonio

2317
02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:18,640
that recently changed hands or was sold, and I forget

2318
02:06:18,680 --> 02:06:21,720
what they turning it into, but it was an all

2319
02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:23,399
Stars gentleman club.

2320
02:06:24,319 --> 02:06:28,520
Speaker 7: All Stars All Stars. The sign sold for twenty grand.

2321
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:34,920
There was a strip club in Lawrence. It went out

2322
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:38,199
of business, So you know.

2323
02:06:38,439 --> 02:06:44,520
Speaker 5: The government's shut down All Stars is getting shut down next.

2324
02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:46,800
You gotta think it's probably long John Silvers.

2325
02:06:47,680 --> 02:06:49,880
Speaker 2: No, not the Long John Silvers.

2326
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 5: Man.

2327
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:56,319
Speaker 3: I don't know if I told you this story, but

2328
02:06:57,119 --> 02:07:01,239
when I worked at cal wn Plagues Media and Lawrence

2329
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:06,119
in our building in the same ownership group was ninety

2330
02:07:06,159 --> 02:07:09,960
two nine in the Bull our country station and our

2331
02:07:10,039 --> 02:07:14,039
country station program director at the time. You know, he

2332
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:19,880
would be meeting with different clients, whether it was advertisers

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02:07:20,479 --> 02:07:23,199
or you know, record label people, you know in the

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music industry, and on.

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Speaker 2: The company Dime Tom he would take his people to.

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Speaker 3: The Lady Bird, which I never went to The Lady

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Bird when I lived in Lawrence also aka the Bird

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and the Bird. You know did like Legs and Eggs,

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where you had an all you could eat buffet and

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02:07:52,479 --> 02:07:56,039
you could get a show at the same time. And

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he took people representing our company on his behalf on

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the company Dime over there, and uh it worked. We

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02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:04,760
got a lot of business out of it.

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Speaker 5: That's incredible. I myself, I don't think I could ever

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02:08:10,520 --> 02:08:12,520
bring myself to go eat it of legs and Eggs,

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02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:17,640
not even if somebody paid for it. I don't think

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02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:21,479
in the middle of the day yeah, that's yeah. I

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02:08:21,560 --> 02:08:24,079
don't know what kind of for lack of a better term,

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02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:26,600
what kind of talent is that the bird in the

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middle of the day.

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Speaker 2: What kind of show are you getting?

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02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:33,239
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess if it worked out, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed your eggs. Here comes candy for dessert.

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Speaker 5: Oh God, is the Is the bird still open that

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02:08:44,319 --> 02:08:48,079
you know of? I believe it is if it survived.

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02:08:48,399 --> 02:08:49,520
All Stars couldn't do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I blame smash Mouth for that.

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02:08:57,800 --> 02:09:00,760
Speaker 5: Hey, now you're an all Star. Get your game on,

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go play.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're in Vegas, Tom, I feel like,

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02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:13,960
now there's so much other things because everybody's got sports

2362
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:17,279
gambling for the most part. You got casinos everywhere. We

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02:09:17,359 --> 02:09:21,239
got bigger casinos in Oklahoma, and strip clubs are kind

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02:09:21,239 --> 02:09:22,079
of losing their luster.

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to see why Vegas has kind of died

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off here.

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Speaker 3: Like you see these type of deals like the Despine

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02:09:28,840 --> 02:09:30,680
to try anything that sticks against the wall.

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Speaker 5: Right, I mean, yeah, if it's anything getting shut down,

2370
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:37,560
we'll have a drive through strip club. If not, then

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02:09:38,399 --> 02:09:40,399
you can come in here and get a free lap dance.

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02:09:40,439 --> 02:09:44,840
I mean, and no one's going to no federal employees

2373
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:48,159
are going to Vegas right now that spend money. So

2374
02:09:49,239 --> 02:09:51,640
maybe if you were like you didn't mention like an

2375
02:09:51,640 --> 02:09:55,279
air traffic controller. But at the same time, maybe you know,

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02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:58,359
I don't think you're that's not on the list of

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02:09:58,399 --> 02:10:00,000
priorities for me if I'm not getting PA.

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02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:06,039
Speaker 3: And yeah, how's that conversation go with your friends and family,

2379
02:10:06,199 --> 02:10:09,079
your significant other whatever, Like, yeah, I know I'm not

2380
02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:11,239
employed right now, but let's go to Vegas and go

2381
02:10:11,279 --> 02:10:12,159
to the strip club?

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02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:16,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, can I borrow one hundred dollars? I spent

2383
02:10:16,119 --> 02:10:18,640
my last fifty at Crazy Horse three.

2384
02:10:21,479 --> 02:10:25,560
Speaker 2: Incredible, absolutely incredible.

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02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:27,239
Speaker 5: Vegas.

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02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:31,079
Speaker 2: Man, It's it's been over a years since I've been

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02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:31,560
to Vegas.

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02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:35,359
Speaker 3: I like Vegas, but I'm very much subscribed to the

2389
02:10:35,439 --> 02:10:39,079
theory time that you know, four days max and.

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02:10:39,159 --> 02:10:40,960
Speaker 2: Vegas you don't need any more than that, And that

2391
02:10:41,079 --> 02:10:41,960
might even be too much.

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02:10:44,079 --> 02:10:46,520
Speaker 5: I did four days in Vegas, and that was at

2393
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:48,399
a young age, and I thought I was gonna die.

2394
02:10:49,640 --> 02:10:51,600
I had like a two week thing over. There's there's

2395
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:54,760
no way I could survive longer in Vegas now.

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02:10:56,119 --> 02:10:59,800
Speaker 3: But with that said, like there's certain places that that's

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02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:03,159
a okay, Like I need a good weekend city, and

2398
02:11:03,239 --> 02:11:07,039
I need a good week long city, like you know,

2399
02:11:07,880 --> 02:11:11,319
going to the beach, going to Tampa, you know, uh.

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02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:12,760
Speaker 4: You know Naples.

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02:11:12,840 --> 02:11:14,279
Speaker 2: You know, those are good week trips.

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02:11:14,359 --> 02:11:19,239
Speaker 3: I need my weekend cities like Lake Tahoe, Las Vegas.

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02:11:19,399 --> 02:11:21,760
Speaker 2: You know, you gotta have a little bit of everything.

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02:11:22,720 --> 02:11:25,359
Speaker 5: That is true, that is true. Vegas is definitely a

2405
02:11:25,439 --> 02:11:26,800
weekend city for me going.

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02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:30,640
Speaker 3: Here for Yeah, I'm trying to think, what's what's probably

2407
02:11:30,680 --> 02:11:32,560
our closest weekend city here? Is it?

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02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:33,399
Speaker 2: Is it Nashville?

2409
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:39,039
Speaker 3: Nashville the drinks and everything gotten high there. I think

2410
02:11:39,039 --> 02:11:40,159
that kind of turned into.

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02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:40,800
Speaker 2: A weekend city.

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02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, it could, it could have been different.

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02:11:44,279 --> 02:11:44,960
Speaker 2: It didn't have to be.

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02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:49,520
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, I don't know many people

2415
02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:51,720
that want to spend time in Memphis, but there's good

2416
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:54,000
food there in Bille Street. To me, it's still fun

2417
02:11:54,399 --> 02:11:59,560
Memphis to survive, right, Yeah, yes, that's that adds to

2418
02:11:59,600 --> 02:11:59,840
the fun.

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02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:03,840
Speaker 2: It I would not You couldn't pay me money to

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02:12:03,880 --> 02:12:05,159
go to a strip club in Memphis.

2421
02:12:06,039 --> 02:12:08,159
Speaker 5: Oh oh no, absolutely not.

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02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:09,680
Speaker 2: That's asking for trouble.

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02:12:11,079 --> 02:12:15,159
Speaker 5: Yeah. Now, I'll stick to downtown Memphis around Beal Street.

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02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:19,640
If I'm gonna go. I'm not gonna go. Well, I

2425
02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:24,239
will say. Years ago, during twenty twenty, me and friend

2426
02:12:24,279 --> 02:12:27,399
of the show, Simon Dodtry did attempt to go to

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02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:29,880
a strip club because they were still open. That's when

2428
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:32,880
bars were closing at like ten, and they wouldn't let

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02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:38,560
us in. All said, I'm not sure why, but that's

2430
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:39,680
probably a good thing they didn't.

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02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:43,640
Speaker 3: On that note, we'll get out of here big thanks

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02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:46,199
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Speaker 2: For Thomas Bridges our entire pro up tie what Don't

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think so long it's been at other distant junt want

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to see it next week.

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Speaker 5: M