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Tom Fullery Story of the week as well, coming up
in just a matter of moments.
Speaker 2: Coach Bow's out.
Speaker 3: This week, but don't worry. We'll still have plenty of
NFL and college football conversation throughout today's program, and we
will also preview the NBA season, which is upon us
less than a week away from when the season tips
off with the reigning champion Oklahoma City Thunder matching up
against the Houston Rockets. They'll raise the banner with Kevin
Durant in the building. Cannot wait. We'll discuss that coming
up later on in the show. Thamas bridges here with
me as always and Tom. Some exciting things going on
we can't quite say just yet. We'll call it a tease,
I guess, a tease in the biz for folks at
home ordering what's going on. I know a lot of
you my dms have been active pretty much every day
since August third, wondering what am I doing?
Speaker 5: Where did I go?
Speaker 3: And I have stayed pretty quiet, kind of enjoyed myself
vacationed a little bit, enjoyed some time with family, but
I am back and back better than ever. And we'll
have some news to get to in the coming days ahead.
Thomas is going to be involved, and I would say
Tom that this thing that we will be telling the
public here pretty soon is probably the biggest thing we've
ever done before, and this show is going to be
involved in it as well.
Speaker 2: And I'm excited.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's a fascinating, fun, exciting new chapter ahead.
Speaker 5: It is a new chapter. How long we've been doing
this show.
Speaker 3: We've been doing this show since twenty I've been here
since twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: You've been here since twenty twelve.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's the the I wonder if it's
a new chapter. Is it like the sequel? Is it
like the next book?
Speaker 2: Yeah? For that length of time, it feels like a
new book.
Speaker 5: I think, Yeah, I think we're dropping a new book.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: And this is one where I think the sequel is
actually better than the original story.
Speaker 5: Right. Usually the sequels like usually the sequels like forced,
like Disney they did Frozen. Can you just leave it
at Frozen? Though? Or they got a milk it for
all it's worth them do a frozen two. This is
completely different.
Speaker 2: Right, This is like what Grown Ups two was to
the original Grown Ups.
Speaker 5: It is like Pirates of the Caribbean two.
Speaker 2: Yes we're not calling it Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 5: Though, Pirates of the Heartland.
Speaker 2: Of the Heartland.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 2: But there's gonna be some cool stuff ahead. I can't
really say too much.
Speaker 3: We're at this at the time of this taping to
kind of give people an inside baseball. Everything is lined up.
We are just waiting for the contracts to be signed,
the pen to hit the dotted line.
Speaker 2: So if you're listening to this, you are.
Speaker 3: Getting a real time update of everything that's happening right
before your very eyes.
Speaker 5: And we're always glad to have you with us.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, indeed, And I gotta tell you like this
this venture to kind of give some more insights to uh.
You know, when I made this move, when uh we
were looking for better opportunities, as some would say, Uh,
I didn't necessarily know what that was going to entail
and what that was going to be, but it was
time and now that this kind of it really found us. Uh,
this this next venture, which it's it's so crazy because
you do all this looking around, you figure out, trying
to figure out, Okay, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 2: Where am I gonna go?
Speaker 3: And this thing basically fell into our laps, and uh,
it was one of those opportunities that we pretty much
couldn't pass up on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, that's that's usually how
the universe works. I think it's, uh, you just look
and love and then you know, I'll just find you.
It's kind of like looking for love. They say you
won't find love if you're looking for it and finds you, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what is it?
Speaker 3: They say that, you know, if you get a lot
going for you, that it's best to just let let
it happen naturally and not be on the lookout that
it falls in your lap. And I guess that's what
happened in this case for us of what this next
endeavor is. And if you're listening to this show now,
six minutes in, you're probably saying to yourself, Okay, this
sounds exciting, but I still have no idea what the
hell these guys are doing.
Speaker 5: But me and Tyler are going to be the next
Jeopardy hosts.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: We are replacing Ken Jennings because Ken Jennings cannot honor
the legacy of Alex Treppek properly.
Speaker 2: And so we will be the next host Jeopardy.
Speaker 3: And uh, it's it's always been my calling to do
host the host Jeopardy. Ryan Seacrests already beat me out
for Will of Fortune, so we got the next best thing.
I'd rather be hosting Will Fortune. But secrets is there,
America's sweetheart. We got to settle for Jeopardy instead.
Speaker 5: And we're going to fill in on family Feud from
time to time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Steve Harvey's got too many jobs anyway,
the few would be great.
Speaker 2: Let's play the feud. We should go on family feud.
Speaker 5: That would be sucking.
Speaker 2: The Jones support family feud team me, you, Bow, and then.
Speaker 3: David Starr. How many people do you need a family feud?
Speaker 2: Is in four or five?
Speaker 5: I think it's at least four.
Speaker 2: Okay. I feel like Bowl would be very good at
family feud.
Speaker 5: Good Bo would be very good. I would take Bow
on my team any day.
Speaker 3: I would be trying to find a way to make
Steve Harvey laugh, try to say something out of pocket.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could see that. I could see that being
the case.
Speaker 3: That would be my goal if we went on the
family feud. I enjoy game shows. I don't watch them
nearly as much as I used to. When I was
a kid, Tom I watched will Fortune every night, and
I had this like spinning wheel, and when they would
spin the wheel and will Fortune, I'd spend my own
wheel and I'd yell out, big money, big money, that's
too good.
Speaker 5: You know they're bringing back Fear Factor. Well, Johnny Knoxville as.
Speaker 2: The host, Dave Portnoy almost hosted.
Speaker 5: That, didn't he say he didn't want to deal with
the disgusting see the disgusting stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got too grossed out by it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't. I couldn't do it. If they put
a bunch of spiders in there, now, I'd be like, no, yeah,
I'll stick. I'll stick to Jeopardy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to eat this elephants? Semen? I
don't think so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's too good.
Speaker 3: Fear Factor back in the day, like you talk about
people with a lot of jobs. Uh, Joe Rogan on
Fear Factor was undefeated.
Speaker 5: Oh he was, he was timeless. I mean what he
went from Fear Factor to colin UFC and then started
the pod and now he's just all over the place.
Speaker 2: Kind of oh and doing his comedy.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the Mothership. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember years ago, even before all that, he was
on this TV show called news Radio where he played
a radio DJ and he was fantastic in that. Like
people nowadays think of Joe Rogan, oh, the Joe Rogan experience,
the UFC stuff, Like, No, Joe Rogan's had a fascinating career.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's kind of been like a kind of like
just hustled where he went kind of just odd maybe
not odd jobs, but there's not been There's a very
broad category of things he does that I think if.
Speaker 3: I could switch places with anybody, like live someone else's life,
I might choose Joe Rogan.
Speaker 5: Oh with the money he makes. Yeah, I wouldn't. I
would do that. I would do that as well. I mean,
and you know, do you already do a pod anyway
you get Tyler Jones doing stand up comedian.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd be all for it.
Speaker 3: And he's so like fascinating of an individual. I mean,
on top of just not just the jobs he does,
but uh, for as much that's been made on the
Joe Rogan experience about the yes he brings on like
Joe is a master of his craft. Like that show
isn't the show it is without Joe Rogan.
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I mean there's only there's only so many
people that can you know, you know, smoke cigarettes and
take streams of post malone on the show and video
tabe a live in Austin, Texas and have it work. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love Joe Rogan, but yeah, we will
not be replacing for the record, Joe Rogan or Ken Jennings.
But it is something very exciting that we will be
telling you in the coming dates ahead, so stay tuned
for that. Tom would start in the National Football League,
and let's begin with the Kansas City Chiefs, who defeated
the Detroit Lions in I would say spectacular fashion. They
played their best game of the season and it was
a complete game. Now, I'll say this twofold, I'm not
worried about the Detroit Lions. I know the Lions didn't
look that great, but I still think that's a good
football team that could very well win the NFC.
Speaker 2: That may have been a Super Bowl preview.
Speaker 3: That was my Super Bowl pick at the beginning of
the year was Detroit in Kansas City. So I don't
take too much away from Detroit losing as far as
Kansas City goes. You have that two and three start,
and then the offense really started clicking. Patrick Mahomes was
on his a game. Xavier Worthy looked nice, the defense
looked fantastic. They finally found a pass rush. The tackling
we talked about that with Bow last week. The tackling
issues looked like that they were taking care of for
the most parts. Now you get Rashi Rice back this
week from suspension. Here you're sitting at three and three.
Speaker 2: You got a tough schedule ahead after you played the
Raiders this week.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think Tom part of the reason why
I'm buying into the Chiefs too is that we haven't
seen much separation. You'll look at the Bills have played
terrible the last couple of weeks. You know, the Ravens
of course, and the Bengals have fallen off the face
of the earth. You know, the Broncos and Chargers, they
look solid. The AFC South is something else, with some
surprise teams like the Colts and the Jags. But for
the Chiefs to be in this position to have this
rough start. I would say Tom that everything else has
worked out pretty good for them because if everyone else's
struggles here, if the Chiefs can figure it out, they're
gonna be just fine because they've benefited from everybody else
not looking so hot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jones, I thought the Chiefs looked really well. I
think they needed to as well. I thought, I don't
want to necessarily call that a statement game, but that
that ms is the kind of performance that we, you know,
expect in the Kansas City Chiefs, so they can keep
that up. You know, it's one game you got the
Raiders this week. You mentionedere she Rice is back. It
should be a nice little warm up game for him
to get things back in motion because what he hasn't
played in a year technically, yeah, over a year.
Speaker 2: It was Week four against the Chargers last year.
Speaker 5: So it should be you know, nice little you know,
I don't think you need to ask a whole lot
of him right out of the gate, but you know,
something tells me he might be right back to form.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We saw this offense take a step up when Xavier
Worthy was back into the fold, and what you would
hope is that they can take another step up with
Rashi Rice back into the equation. Now. One thing that
seems kind of odd in Kansas City right now is
this Josh Simmons situation starting left tackle. They drafted in
the first round out of of Ohio States, and Josh
Simmons looked fantastic to start the season.
Speaker 2: He appeared to be.
Speaker 3: The left tackle that they had been looking for for
the last several years, as that's been a revolving door
from Orlando Brown to you know, Eric Fisher and you
know a number of guys, and that's been one of
the few flaws that I've seen in Brett Veach is
not sharing up that position, which is arguably the second
most important position on the football field. But nonetheless, Simmons
looked really good and then we find out that he
was questionable and then he wasn't with the team and
did not play against Detroit. Jalen Moore, who they signed
from San Francisco last year the last offseason, did a
really good job stepping in. And now we've heard that
Josh Simmons isn't around. We've heard rumblings that they're there's
a family situation going on. I've also heard that there's
some mental health concerns. I'll be frank with y'all. I
don't know what in the hell is going on with
Josh Simmons right now. I hope that he's okay personally.
I hope he's getting the family time or the help
or whatever he needs. I'm not going to dive into that.
That's not my business, but I think it is there
to say, it's a very odd situation, and it certainly
puts things in flux because you wonder, Okay, when is
he coming back? Is he going to get past all this?
You've invested a lot in him. He's a very important player,
not saying that Jalen Moore can't get the job done.
You spent fifteen million dollars a year on Jalen Moore.
You believe in him for a reason. But it is
very strange what exactly's going on here, And we just
don't have any answers here. And you know, I know
that every situation is different, but Tom, when we've seen
these things in the past, sometimes it doesn't necessarily end well.
Like I look back last year, Connor Williams with the
Seahawks took some time away and said that he had
to deal with a family matter and then he just
retired in the middle of the season and everybody's like,
what the hell. So I hope things are okay, but
it does seem very strange to say the least.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of a strange situation. I don't feel
like there's enough there to know what's really going on.
I'm sure they'd love to have him back, but you know,
if it is something, you know, mental health thing, then
you got to be you gotta be somewhat careful and
you know, be understanding.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, no question, no question about it.
Speaker 3: We have our first head coach firing of the year,
Brian Callahan out out of Tennessee. It was a disastrous
tenure for Brian Callahan. Last year was horrible. This year
wasn't going any better. And I think the big reason
why two things they make this move now. Number one,
not only are they not winning football games. Cam Ward
has looked pretty promising, but they have showed no signs
of life around him. There is no vote of confidence
to say that Brian Callahan is going to be the
right guy to develop cam Ward when everything else is
going wrong. When cam Ward is your franchise quarterback in
your investment there. I'm not sitting there saying, you know what, Yeah,
Callahan's the guy I want training him and reaching his
full potential. The other thing, I think why they made
this pretty soon the Titans are going to be playing
the New England Patriots.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 3: In case you haven't been paying attention, folks, Mike Vrabel,
the former Tennessee Titans head coach, is doing a hell
of a job with a New England Patriots and they
got a chance to make the playoffs this year.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was a mistake when they fired
Vrabel to begin with.
Speaker 3: I've said for a long time, I think Vrabel is
a top five coach in this league, and you're already
seeing him and Drake may develop. And you know when
he got fired from Tennessee, I don't think it had
to do performance base. I think it was more so
a conflict between him and the owner, Amy Adams that
weren't on the same page. And I think that they
didn't want Callahan, the guy that they replaced Vrabel with,
to go in there and be embarrassed by his predecessor
Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 2: I think that had something to do with it. Of
why you make this change. Now. I look at that
Titans job, Tom.
Speaker 3: I know that there's not a ton of Titans fans
out there, it's not a big fan base, but that
job's got so much potential. When you have a young
franchise quarterback in cam Ward, You're playing in Nashville, you
got a new stadium coming, and all these things there
that that to me, with the right coach and the
right GM like, if you can get those things figured out,
I think the Tennessee Titans can be a sleeping giant
in this league. I think it's the right call to
move on from Callahan, but I think it's gonna be
vital for them to get this next higher.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I think so too. And you know, I
think them firing Rabel was a little too soon. You know,
the grass isn't always greener. I mean what Vrabel got
him to a conference championship game, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, got him to the best record in the AFC
one year. Yeah, with with Ryan Tannehill at quarterback, right.
Speaker 5: I mean, And so I get it that they probably
fired him because Rabel's you know, they have to face
Rabel and that that's not gonna look pretty. And you
know it is not going to hold back. I can't
imagine a guy like Rabel hold him back this week.
So you have that, and then I mean, you're right
about Nashville. Nashville could be such a fun NFL city
if the Titans were worth the ship. I mean, with
the new stadium being right close to downtown, I mean,
Nashville has the potential to be a really, a really
fun NFL city. I mean, obviously, right now, I feel
like it's you know, any NHL town with with the
Predators kind of being good as of recent or at
least decent.
Speaker 2: I would I would take takes a step further.
Speaker 3: I feel like the Titans, you know, in in their
history since moving over from the Oilers, they have one
Super Bowl appearance where they were a yard short, one
of Tom's favorite childhood memories.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Mike Jones, Uh yes, who Mike Jones.
Speaker 3: They had that, and they really just haven't done much
and there's no aura surrounding that team. I think now,
Tom would be a great time for the Titans to
do a complete overhaul, do a rebrand. I know they're
the only team in the state of Tennessee and they
started in Memphis playing in the Liberty Bowl because they
were building Nissan Stadium.
Speaker 2: But I would I would rebrand.
Speaker 3: I would give them a Nashville specific name, you know,
take out Tennessee, go by Nashville, give them a new
mascot like I would basically start over and treat that
like a brand new franchise when you get this new stadium.
Speaker 2: That's what i'd recommend.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jims, I agree. I think you could, you know,
maybe change up the logo a little bit. I think
you keep the colors, you know, and just roll out,
you know, go to go to a marketing firm, throw
a bunch of money at them, and then you want
to capture hearts and minds of the young children in Nashville.
And you had mentioned previously about being a small fan base.
I think you get this team off the ground with
as many people that come and go to Nashville. I
think it's less kind of like the Raiders being in Vegas,
but I think you could really it gets kind of
like the Rams moving back from Saint Louis to LA
There's already so many Chargers in San Francisco, forty nine
ers fans, so it takes a little bit to get
it off the ground. And and get those fans in
the stands. But Nashville, being the city that it is,
you get that, get a new stadium, you know, get
a nice little, you know, small rebrand in there. And
I agree with that. I think it has a lot
of potential.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think it'd be great for
the Titans kind of hit that reset button and.
Speaker 5: Go from there.
Speaker 3: The Philadelphia Eagles lost their second straight game this past week,
losing in blowout fashion to the Giants.
Speaker 2: Credit where credits Dude.
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart has looked really good to start his NFL
career and has been an upgrade from Russell Wilson. I've
been impressed with what Jackson Dard has done. Cam scattab
who's been fantastic, still can't believe that dude fell the
fourth round and people were talking about this guy playing
full back and look at the impact he's done. But
you look at the Eagles and Jalen Hurts. His play
has kind of slipped the last couple of weeks. The
defense doesn't look like what it was last year. They've
had to call up more blitz packages compared to when
last season they were able just to rush with their
defensive line and spread you out that way, and they've
kind of lost that ability of sorts. With that said,
kind of like what we talked about with Kansas City. Tom,
I'm not worried about Philadelphia, though. I think the Eagles
are still got the inside track in their division. I
don't believe in Dallas. I still don't believe in the Giants,
and the Commanders have been kind of up and down.
You know this, this is the National Football League. Not
everything is going to be easy peasy. The Eagles have
won so many games in the last two years.
Speaker 5: I know this.
Speaker 3: This sounds kind of, you know, easy to say, but
I feel like you can make the case the Eagles
were just kind of do I think this team's.
Speaker 2: Going to be fine.
Speaker 3: They're gonna work through this. Sirianni's a good coach. I
don't think this is like what it was a couple
of years ago when they ended up losing what was it,
their final five games and got eliminated in.
Speaker 2: The wildcard round by the Bucks. I don't think it's
that type of lull here.
Speaker 3: I think that they're just kind of going through some
growing pains, figuring this stuff out, and they're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: Are you worried about the Eagles, you should.
Speaker 5: No, definitely, definitely not. And I'm not a believer yet
in the Giants. I know, you know, Cams Kataboo and
and and Jackson Darr. That's a fun little dude. That's it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: It kind of feels like when the Bengals popped up
a little bit with with Joe Burrow coming on the scene,
when they started to kind of make a run. Kind
of maybe feels like what the Giants are. They're a
couple of years away. I think maybe next year they'd
even take a bigger step. Neighbors comes back healthy. Uh,
You're right about the Commanders. They're wishy, washy up and down. Obviously.
I don't believe in Dallas. It's really the Eagles to
lose here, and I think, you know, they're going through
some growing pains and figuring different things out. It's not
easy to get back to the super Bowl unless your
name is Andy Reid. But there's ties there too, so
I think the Eagles will be just fine.
Speaker 3: Before we talk about some games this week, we mentioned
Brian Callahan getting fired, Tom that Dolphins Brown's game on Sunday,
h you know, featuring of course Kevinski, Yes, and Mike McDonald.
I'm gonna go ahead and throw this one out there
for you, Tom. Both teams have struggled so much coaches
are on the hot seat. I think the loser of
that game's got to fire their coach immediately.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if the Dolphins do win it, I I
think it's I think it's gonna take nothing short of
a miracle for Mike McDonald to survive the season in Miami.
Speaker 2: Same with Stefanski too.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean unless Dylan Gabriel comes out looking
like you know, some Peyton Manning, you know, you know
type quarterback h and can save the Browns. I mean,
I don't. I don't know what franchise right now. It
would be worse to be a fan of, you know.
With the Miami Dolphins, I feel like there was hopes
and dreams. You got tyre killing and you get all
you know, you're okay. We had Jalen Ramsey at one
point and two if you can stay healthy, we got
Jayleen la Walla. We got to the fastest receivers in
the league. We're gonna be airing it out on people
left and right. And then to have that just crater
in on itself, or you can be a Browns fan
and this is just another season to you. Yeah, another
miserable season. I don't know which is worse to be
a fan of. That's definitely gonna be a Sickos game, yeah,
I think so.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some games around the National Football League
kind of rapid fire, real quick. This week, Tom will
start with your Rams taking on the Jags. Both teams
at four and two. The Rams two and a half
point favorites, the Jags coming off a loss at home
to the Seattle Seahawks. The Jags defense has been fantastic.
They've done a really good job of creating takeaways. Trevor
Lawrence is playing better. Rams look like a legitiff football team.
This game's in London. I could see this one going
either way. I lean towards the Rams here, but I
feel like if you're gonna beat the Jags, you have
to take care of the football, and Kyron Williams kind
of has me a little bit concerned with it with
his play of late.
Speaker 2: If he can protect the football there.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, he didn't do it on Thursday a
couple of weeks ago against the forty nine Ers that
cost him the game. You know, the Rams didn't really
look too good against the Ravens last week, who are
down real bad. I could easily see the Rams losing
this game. Obviously, I hope they win, but uh, the
Jags are quietly you know. I know they lost the
Seahawks team, which Seahawks are looking pretty good as well.
But yeah, I can see this going either way. I'm
not sure yet if Pooka Nakua is gonna play. He
was hurting the Ravens game. He did come back to
play in the game, but Rams have a bye next week.
I think if Nakua does play, he gets maybe half
the reps and they're gonna you know, they're looking for
that bye week to get some people healthy. I think
one of the main starters on the line, Rob haven Stein,
is still out. Like to have him back and get
that line at full strength again. So I don't know
if that game is gonna be eight thirty our time.
I like to sleep in on a Sunday, but I
guess for the Rams, all go get Starbucks and watch
them play overseas.
Speaker 2: Watch it from bed.
Speaker 3: Just lay down and get a cup of coffee and
you'll be You'll be getting up off the bed when uh,
when the Rams give up their first touchdown or something.
Speaker 2: Eagles taking on the Vikings.
Speaker 3: Tom I want to call this must win for the
Eagles just yet, but it does feel like a get
right game. The Vikings are still questionable with JJ McCarthy.
We don't know if he's gonna be back or not yet.
Carson Wentz has you know, kind of been up and
down so far filling in that role you're going on
the road here. Uh, this this is one where I'll.
Speaker 2: Put it this way.
Speaker 3: The Eagles should win, and the Eagles should get back
on track. But if they don't, then I'll start to
raise my eyebrows a bit. I feel like we're gonna
learn a lot about the Eagles. I don't think the
Vikings are that great anyway, but this to me is
more about the Eagles than it is the Vikings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be very shocked if the Eagles dropped this game. This,
I agree this for like a get right game and uh,
not a very tough opponent. I mean, you know, you
still do have to face Justin Jefferson. That's not you know,
he can all eat any game. He can go off.
But if you can't get him in the ball, then
you know, I think Eagles will probably try to lock
him down and secure this game and hopefully stay injury
free if you're an Eagles fan.
Speaker 2: Colts and Chargers.
Speaker 3: The Colts the biggest surprise of the year in the
National Football League at five and one. The Chargers are
four and two. The Chargers are very banged up, though
they are at home. Daniel Jones playing some really good football.
I said going into the year, I liked that Chargers
the Colts roster, but I had questions about the quarterback position.
But Daniel Jones is doing his parts and going up
against the depleted Chargers team. The Colts, I'll go as
far as say, Tom, you win this, you go to
six and one. I think the Colts are pretty much
playoff bound, barring a you know, catastrophic collapse. I think
if you're a Colts fan, that's what I would look at.
We win this, then we're we're in really good shape
going forward from here. I think that's because it's a
it's a good Chargers team, it's on the road here.
Speaker 2: That that's how I would view this. If if Indianapolis
wins this, they're they're for real.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. And you know they were in
LA not too not too many weeks ago. If if
you're the Colts, I'm leaving ad n I Mitchell in Indianapolis.
He doesn't get to go playing so far again. Uh,
Chargers are one and a half point favorite. Surprising that
they're you know, you said they're a little banged up.
I like the Colts. I like what I saw against Colts.
Ram got lucky against the Colts. You know, that's how
it shakes out sometimes. But I like the Coast to
win this game and.
Speaker 3: Then on Monday Night Football, the Bucks taking on the Lions.
Baker Mayfield has looked like the MVP in the NFL
this year. He's been fantastic. But man, we talked about
this with TJ a couple weeks ago. The injuries are
piling up. We could be looking at a Monday Night
where the Bucks might be without Godwin Evans and their
star rookie Mechabuca. And credit to Baker, it hasn't mattered
that they've had these wide receiver injuries. He's finding wide
receivers growing off trees. We've seen Sterling Sheppard step up
last week. Tesz Johnson their rookie out of Oregon made
some big catches, but eventually these things kind of catch
up to you. You're going on Detroit, going on the
road to Detroit. I know they're going to be without
Brian Branch who was suspended and rightfully so, by the way,
that was cheap on his part at the end of
that game. But Detroit at home, coming to that loss
against Kansas City and with needing a win after not
looking so great last week, and the way the Bucks
are banged up this one, I would be surprised if
the Lions don't find a way to win at home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, and for the Lions too after losing
to the Chiefs, I think this is one you need
if you're the Lions. I feel it's kind of like
a you know, if they do lose this one to
a banged up Bucks team, then then you kind of
start saying, well, what's going on in the Detroit So
I think this is not a must win, but they
should take care of business. There we have it.
Speaker 3: That's our look around the National Football League. Jenny Carlson said,
to join us comeing up in just a little while
from right now. But before we do that, let's get
to this week's Big twelve Sec breakdown. It is the
Big twelve Sec Breakdown top But Joe Whiche's here with
you where the contprhensid what a bold the Big twelve
and Southeastern Conference which.
Speaker 2: We begin each and every weekends we do.
Speaker 3: With our hot take. And last week Tom I'm talked
about Sark and I had my doubts about him. This week,
I'm gonna turn my attention to the man he faced
in Brent Fennibles and it was a disappointing showing from
the Sooners. John Mattier with three interceptions, The offense only
managed to score six points. Second straight red River that
OU does not have an offensive touchdown.
Speaker 2: It was a bad day for OU all around. That
was inexcusable.
Speaker 3: We could have sat here and if that would have
been a close loss, I think OU fans would have been, Okay,
you know what, it sucks, but at least you were competitive.
Speaker 2: At least you have something to hang your hat on.
Speaker 3: There is nothing good that came out of that performance
from Oklahoma against Texas last week. Even the defense gave
up some big plays. Special teams gave up that punt
return touchdown, which there was probably about three block in
the back calls that were missed.
Speaker 2: But I digress.
Speaker 3: With that being said, here's the bottom line when it
comes to print vnables here, this is year four, okay,
and I'm just tired of these excuses. When it comes
to print fennobles. The first year, it was, well, they
lost so much of the roster, okay. And then the
second year, it was, well, we see improvements and they're
trending in the right direction, but still can't beat KU,
still can't beat Oklahoma State. And the excuses were, well,
the Big twelve officials are out to get us, while
Texas proceeded to win the league that year, but I
end okay. And then last year the excuses was, well,
the offensive line sucks, and you know, this is their
first year in the SEC and it's going to be
a bit of a transition and all this. And now
we hear here we are in year four, and the
excuses I'm hearing now are, well, look at his assistant coaches,
you know, Joe John Finlay, Marco Murray, Bill beaten Bow.
These guys just don't have what it takes that you know,
they need a better staff than this. It's year four now, Okay,
Marcus Freeman was hired at the same time as Brent
Ventibles was and they were contending for a national championship
last year at Notre Dame. Okay, I'm just running out
of excuses. And my take is with this, I think
Tom that the James Franklin situation has a trickle down effect.
Speaker 2: Here's what I mean.
Speaker 3: If Penn State can be a couple plays away from
playing for a national title last year, and Penn State
has a whole lot more winning with James Franklin than
Oklahoma has had with Brent Vinibles, Okay, if they can
justify after a three game skid, and it's a skid.
I didn't think James Franklin deserved to be fired, but
they felt otherwise. They moved don for it, and they
paid that fifty million dollar buyo. If if Brent doesn't
figure things out, if they go on a skid, I
very well could see a coaching change happening in Norman.
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds like a big overreaction. They
just lost one game.
Speaker 3: They still have everything in front of them, They can
still make the playoff, they can still win the SEC
and all these things. But I think that that franklin
firing is a landscape shift where it puts everyone else unnoticed,
where they're saying, Hey, if Penn State can make a
change like that, why are we going to sit here
and be content with our own situation. I think the
pressure is as high on prinvitables as it's ever been before.
If they struggle down the stretch, if they go on
a losing streak here, if they don't put it together,
then why you're wasting time with printvitibles.
Speaker 5: You know, I was actually going to go to Norman
as well. I agree with all your points, especially the
down part about James Franklin. And you know, if they
can fire him, then you know, why are we dealing
with this bullshit? Why would we or OU were held
to a higher standard or whatever they want to say?
Speaker 3: In State, Tom, I think is a great job. But oh,
you is a much better program than Penn State.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and so if they can do that, and Penn
State was within a couple of players from the Natty, Uh,
you know what a OU could and should be doing better? Uh,
you go out and get Matier, who I don't know
if he was ready to come back. You know, he
hadn't played in a couple of hard New weeks and
you know, the big stage, and you know, I think
that was kind of a Heisman hopeful game for him,
as if he you know, went out and lit up
Texas and he did everything but just throwing long darts
all over the field to you know, more hit. Almost
seemed like he hit more Texas players than he did
OU players at times. And you know, I think for
Brett Vinibles here my when I was saying I was
going to go to Norman, I was thinking about this
this upcoming week. You go and you play a South
Carolina team who was three and three. They're kind of,
you know, they had higher hopes for this season. Now
sitting at three and three, they're pretty much all but
out of it. It's not gonna be an easy place
to play. You play at eleven forty five and so
early morning game on the road, you just lost to Texas.
What's this OU team made of? If they go on
there and lay an egg against South Carolina? I think,
you know, if the seats off for Brett Vinables, you
might as well get the fires extinguisher because it'll be
on fire after that. I think I'm going to what
this team is like to.
Speaker 3: Add to your point, Tom, North Carolina's probably the easiest
team remaining on their schedule exactly this This is a
must win game this week. If you lose to South Carolina,
then it's it could get ugly from here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, I think. I mean after this, like
you mentioned, it doesn't get any easier. And I'm not
exactly sure if does Brent Vinibles if they go out
and lose in the same fashion they did to Texas,
do you think Venables comes back to Norman? Are they
gonna be so? Are they gonna be true? Is it?
I mean, we've had a lot of coaches fired already,
and we're halfway through the season, and there are a
lot of job openings, uh, and there are a lot
of This is the biggest coaching carousel already and Billy
Napier hasn't even been fired yet. This is gonna be
the biggest coaching carousel and biggest coaching change off season
that we've seen in a long time.
Speaker 3: Right, and then you got coaches that will leave for
those other jobs, which will create openings as well. You know,
It's it's gonna be a very interesting cycle of what's ahead.
And we'll talk about James Franklin in his future in
just a moment. But another thing on Brent Vinibles while
we continue.
Speaker 2: To go after the man here.
Speaker 3: This week, he says that he was asked about the
one score games, how things are so close in the
SEC and Venables made the point he said, Hey, this
isn't the old days of the Big Twelve anymore. We're
OU's dominating everybody every week except one team. And then
he got clowned on x by the Big Twelve, who
quote tweeted a tweet from George Stoyer from a Sooner scoop,
and the Big Twelve said, Brent Vnnibles lost to combine
eight games in two seasons at Oklahoma in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, Tom, two things can be true.
Speaker 3: I tend to say this a lot on this show,
but for good reason, Brent vnnibles what he said was accurate,
was right, but he is the wrong messenger for that
message to be delivered. Oklahoma did dominate the Big Twelve,
and it will take years for anybody to be able
to catch up to them in the number of Big
Twelve conference titles that they had compared to everybody else
that's in the Big twelve now and second most was
what Texas, and Texas was way behind. OHU, that is true.
But Brent Fvnnibles, you're coming off a loss of Texas
where you played like shit. Okay, you did not have
a good track record in the Big Twelve conference here,
you set yourself up for that, and some people are
gonna say, oh, it's petty by the Big Twelve. Well,
the Big twelve is looking for any publicity they can get.
I don't blame them one bit for chomping at the
opportunity to call out Brent Vnables and go viral and
social media. The intern saw that tweet, came up with
something and probably got a nice pat on the bat
from Brett Yormark, maybe a little pay.
Speaker 2: Bump or something. I look at this and yes, the
point he made was accurate, but it's not him that
should be saying that.
Speaker 3: If Bob Stoop said that, nobody bats an eye. Everybody says, yep, Bob,
you dominated the Big Twelve. But Brent, you have nothing
to stand on. I mean, they won when he was
defensive coordinator, but you weren't the head coach, So I
have no issue. Well, what the Big Twelve said I
do have issue with Brent Vnibles running his mouth on
stuff he can't back up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, he could even said well, he
shouldn't have said any Yeah, I mean, you're right, he
shouldn't be able to say anything because I mean, yeah,
sure he was a and some coordinator there for a
while and their stoops and you know it went on
to Clemson to have some success as well. But you know,
when you lose, like in the fashion that day loss,
it wasn't it wasn't even really competitive after the first
quarter at that point, that that is not time to
to be uh, you know, giving anybody the smoke. That's
that's the time to just you know, take your take
your loss on the gin and and say hey, we're
you know, we're looking forward to to figuring it out
against South Carolina. You know, you could even say, hey,
maybe we put Materia in too soon, Maybe he wasn't
completely ready to go. I mean they were. You could
even maybe even mention the offensive line didn't play that well,
and you could even be up front and office and say, hey,
Sark was ready, I got out coached. Or moving forward
to South Carolina, which still have a lot a lot
more games left and we are still in this thing.
But no, he just said, oh, well, let's go after
the Big twelve, who supposedly doesn't even matter now that
they're in the SEC. I just thought that was a very,
i don't know, like an amateur ass comment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: It was out of line, it was out of place,
and he got the smoke and rightfully so I don't
blame them one bed for that. We mentioned James Franklin. Tom,
Let's talk about the Penn State situation first. When it
comes to potential candidates for that job, it seems like
Penn State is gonna swing big, that they're going to
drop that big dick energy to try to fill that role.
There's talk that they could pursue Marcus Freeman from Notre Dame.
We've seen Matt rule is a popular name. And Matt
Ruhle is doing better than I think he's given credit
for at Nebraska, and they went five and seven his
first year, seven and five last year. They're five and
one right now. And he did a great job at Temple,
great job at Baylor. The Panthers gig was not so hot,
but that seems like a natural hiring for them. I
know some people were talking, you know, could Sam Levitt
or not Sam Levin, that's his quarre.
Speaker 5: College.
Speaker 3: Could Kenny Dillingham make that jump? Could Lance Lighthold make
that jump? I would be very surprised if there's a
Big twelve coach, or even an SEC coach for that matter.
I think everybody's kind of gonna stay where there are.
I don't think you know Sark or Kirby. You know
they're gonna throw a ton of cash. But I think
right now I would be surprised if it's If it's
not Matt ruhle A is the next head coach at
Penn State. I think that you know Kenny Dillingham, for example,
his name's gonna come up for a number of jobs.
But I would be surprised if it's this Penn State job.
It seems like all signs point to, you know, Matt
Rule getting that job. I even saw Joel Klatt said
that they should try to swing from Nick Saban. I
don't think Nick Saban's coming out of retirement to go
to Penn State. I can tell you that right now,
I don't see those odds being very high but if
you're a Big twelve or SEC program, you're worried about
losing your coach Penn State, I don't think you should
probably be worried right now.
Speaker 5: Now, I can see Matt Rule. Matt Rule is from
that area, right yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't think that they're gonna another Matt
Matt Campbell. I think that Penn State is going to
be a little bit too up at em. Matt Campbell
I think could be a good hire for them, but
I think that their ego is going to get in
the way of even considering Matt Campbell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could see that. I mean another name I've heard,
Kurt Signetti from Indiana. I think Indiana is gonna they
have Mark Cuban money. They're not gonna let him go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna be their first phone call, and they
have to make that phone call. But I don't see
him going there. Yeah, they got a really good thing going.
Big win for Indiana against Oregon this past week. As
far as James Franklin's future goes tom, I could see
a number of fits for him within the Big twelve
or the SEC. So to kind of get perspective on this,
the way his buyout is structured. He has to be
actively looking for TV or coaching jobs in order to.
Speaker 2: Get his buyout money.
Speaker 3: And so what could happen is, Tom, you could have
a school, any school for that matter, Say James, let's
hire you, and let's only pay you one or two
million dollars and then make Penn State pay the rest
of your money. And we're gonna take the money we
would be spending on your coaching contract, and we're gonna
dump that into nil. Could be five to seven million
a year in extra nil money, essentially. And James Franklin,
who I think is a very good coach and would
be great from a number of programs, all of a
sudden you factor that and that becomes a whole lot
more attractive, and you know, of these potential Big twelve
and SEC jobs. Florida I think makes a ton of sense,
Auburn I think makes a ton of sense, Oklahoma State, Arkansas.
I think everybody should be calling James Franklin. I would
think that Florida is probably the most likely option.
Speaker 5: Though, Yeah, that does seem about right. And you wonder
when Billy Napier gets fired. You know that went against
Texas Elliman for another week or so or however, maybe
who knows how long he he could be them? Who
was the Kansas State? No, it was Bruce Webber. Yeah,
he gived me the Bruce Webber Uh there at Florida
forball instead of basketball. Uh. I'll tell you out of
the box, outside of the box team that I would
would just throw out there and guess, and I think could.
I don't know how much money they have, but kind
of to your point, pay him the one or high
many million a year and then dump the rest in
the nil. Hey remember when Stanford was good? Yeah? What
about Stanford? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean the guy Vanderbilt.
Speaker 3: For as much as everybody talks about that, James Franklin
couldn't win the big game.
Speaker 2: He won it Vandy, all right.
Speaker 3: If he can win in Vandy, Winnipenn State, maybe he's
not gonna win you a national title. But this guy
averaged ten wins this season.
Speaker 5: Every year.
Speaker 2: He's a good coach.
Speaker 3: He can he can win at his next stop and
be in good shape, and you potentially resurrected program. I
think North Carolina could be a possibility too, if they
move on from Belichick and if they want a real
college coach. James Franklin could be their guy. So yeah,
James Franklin, he will not be unemployed for long. If
he's not coaching next year, it's because he doesn't want
to be coaching next year. One more thing before we
get to our game previews for this week, Tom, let's
touch on what in the hell is going on with
Arizona State. Levitt was out last week. Now he's gonna
be the next head coach at Penn State with the
jury and they looked horrible and you got blown out
by Utah what was it, forty two to ten? That
game got away from them quick, and even if Sam
Levitt played, there's no way that Sam Levitt is the
difference of thirty two points. They were gonna lose whether
Levit played or not. I don't think Sims is a
very good backup to begin with. But nonetheless, this week
they play on a Texas Tech team that we talked
last week, Tom, I think Texas Tech looks like a
national title caliber team. I don't like the way they
handled things with Kansas last week. Of you know the
you had the tortillas and then there was the pocket
knife that was allegedly thrown on the field. But it
wasn't thrown on the field, and then you wonder why
was the pocket knife there? And Lance Leipold gets fine
for you know, being accused of being a liar and
all this. I'm like, it was a bunch of bs.
I defend my guy Lance to the end. He did
nothing wrong. He was just trying to protect his team.
But nonetheless, with that said, I think Tom that Arizona State,
we'll talk more about this game in our game previewing
a bit.
Speaker 2: I don't see them beating Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: I know Texas Tech, you know, has has played so good,
even with their quarterback getting injured last Weekast Kansas their
their backup, your favorite quarterback on College Football twenty six,
looks so good. I think the honeymoon phase for Arizona
State is over. They lost bad last week. I don't
see them beating Texas Tech this week. Arizona State's a
good team and Kenny de Lam's doing a good job,
but the honeymoon's over. We said this could be a
year where they get everybody's best effort, and I think
that we're We're already sniffing three losses for the Sun
Devils after this week and Texas Tech, I think is
way out in front of everybody in the Big Twelve.
I think it's Texas Tech, Utah and then everybody else
after that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're right. You know you mentioned Texas
Tech is obviously college probably most likely gonna end up
in the college football playoffs, you know, unless a meltdown happens.
Would Julian McGuire if they, let's hypothetically, if they were
Texas Tech would do it and win the Natty? Would
Jullian McGuire be the worst head coach to ever win
a Natty?
Speaker 3: He and ed Orgeron, Yeah, yeah, I don't know what
Baron Morton's status is for this game against Arizona State,
but Will Hammond looked really good. I think they are
fine either way against Arizona State. And you know, the
Sun Devils. It's a great story, but the honeymoon it's over.
You guys are back to being in the fold with
everybody else. And that's how we thought this new Big
Twelve was gonna be, that it was gonna be a competitive.
Speaker 2: League from top to bottom.
Speaker 3: And you know we're seeing that again here in twenty
and twenty five. All right, let's get to the slaty games.
We'll start in the Big Twelve Conference this week tom
Arizona taking on Houston. Houston five and one, Arizona four
and two. The Cats are one and a half point
favorites on the road. I like what I've seen from
Noah Fafida so far this season. Houston great story. They
win this, they become ball eligible. I think that Willie
Fritz has done a good job, but I think Arizona's
more talented team.
Speaker 2: I like Arizona on the road.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it looked good. Obviously, it's not hard to look
good against Oklahoma State, but seeing those two teams play
by team back to back, got to feel that that
Arizona was a little bit more dominant. I get that
they were at home, but I like Arizona here in
the in the in the cat fight b.
Speaker 3: YU and TCU, one of the four locked rivalries in
the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: We've seen some great games between these two schools over
the years.
Speaker 3: Two fantastic quarterbacks, and Hoover and Robertson might be the
first to fifty wins this game.
Speaker 2: The offense is going to be something off the charts top.
Speaker 3: I think Sawyer Robertson has played better than Hoover so
far this year. But I think I like TCU's defense
a little bit more than Baylor's. And this is a
game that I think just comes down to who can
get more stops TCUs at home, they got the better defense.
Speaker 2: I think I leaned towards the horn Frogs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the horn Frogs or two. I think
I'm not I don't trust Baylor all that much. And
you know, despite TCU losing against k State last week,
I think they bounced back.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, West Virginia taking on UCF West Virginia two and four,
u CF at three and three u SEF seven and
a half point favorites at home.
Speaker 2: West Virginia's is just not very good.
Speaker 3: UCF wins this time, then Scott Frost has got a
really good shot to go bowling his first year back
at UCF.
Speaker 2: Pivotal game for the Golden Knights at home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you CF and this on, I don't I
don't think they have a problem winning this.
Speaker 3: Texas Tech taking on Arizona State. We talked a little
bit about this game earlier. Texas Tech six and zero,
Arizona State four and two, Texas Tech seven and a
half point favorites. I don't care who starts as quarterback.
I could very well see Texas Tech put on a
show and winning this by double digits.
Speaker 5: They were well could it could be. I think this
could be a statement game for them to say, hey,
seven and zero, we're.
Speaker 2: Here, speaking of statement games.
Speaker 3: In primetime, Big Newton kickoff is gonna be there for
BYU in Utah in provo, it's in primetime, it's on
Fox Utah.
Speaker 2: Three and a half point favorites.
Speaker 3: They're five and one off that big win against Arizona
State last week. BYU is sitting at six and zero.
They've played really good football. But I don't feel like
anybody's talking about BYU despite being undefeated, they're very under ranked.
I think at fifteen tom big rivalry game, I think
it's gonna be a fantastic matchup here. I think I
lean towards Utah because the way they've played the last
couple of weeks, particularly last week, But I don't have
a good feel This one, to me, is a coin
flip matchup that could go either way. I think BYU
is gonna need to make that a hostile environment, need
to get everything out of that crowd and black Meer's
got to go aff in this game.
Speaker 2: I leaned towards BYU, but I think this is a
very close game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too. It's one of my favorite
ribbery games in all sports, the Holy War. I think
Utah is it what a two and a half point favorite?
Did that's either right and a half? Yeah? Oh wow.
I mean I'd lean a little bit towards Utah because,
like you said, how they've played the last couple of weeks.
But I mean it's a night game in Provo, a
little weird, a little weird.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Cincinnati taking out Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3: We talked about surprise teams. Nobody saw this coming, that
the Bearcats would be five and one. Their only loss
of the year was to Nebraska week one in a
close game in Arrowhead and going to still Water and
taking out Oklahoma State Bearcats at five to one. Cincinnati's
at one and five, Tom, I think Oklahoma State they
have nothing to lose, and you know it is home
coming weekend in Stillwater. We've seen that fan base is
still fired up that that students section two thirty one.
Speaker 2: I think it is.
Speaker 5: It's been a great.
Speaker 3: Story and with all that said, like I think at
some point Oklahoma State is going to catch somebody napping
and maybe they give them a game or pull off
an upset of sorts. Cincinnati, the way they've been playing,
I don't know if this team knows yet how to
do that. Every single week. I think if you're Cincinnati,
you're saying to yourself, this can't be the week we
get caught napping. We're gonna be on our a game
here going in Stillwater with with this matchup. I think
Cincinnati should be fine if they do what they're supposed
to do. But if they don't, Oklahoma State, you know
eventually something's got to go right for this team.
Speaker 5: Well, you would hope, But I don't think Cincinnati is
gonna get caught napping. I think oh Shu's defense is
not They're not. I don't think they can hold up.
I think Sportsman's been playing too good. I said it
last week. We went to Cincinnati last week in the
Big twelve SEC report like what Cincinnati has been able
to do and it's against my team that sucks. And
at the end of the day of Cincinnati, if I
give him the kiss of death here, then I'll live
with it. I mean, I would rather be wrong and
my team win than be right. So I think Cincinnati
is not gonna have any problem. It's a night game.
Homecoming shirts are gonna be off in section two thirty one.
There's gonna be more than ever, but it's not gonna matter.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the SEC slate of games. It's the
Theo Vonne Bowl, Number ten. LSU ticking on number seventeen,
Vanderbilt in Nashville, early morning start eleven am on ABC.
Vanderbilt two and a half point favorites. Vandity's only loss
came at the hands of Alabama, and I don't think
Fandy looked bad in that game. Diego Pavius looked fantastic
this season. L s U. I feel underwhelmed at them
at five and one. You know, I expected more out
of Nelsmeyer. They have arguably the best play in the
country and Harold Perkins here. This is a tricky spot
for LSU. I think Tom I lean towards Vandy in this.
Speaker 5: Really, you're gonna be on the You're taking You're taking
Theohan's home away from home here. I think I will
take his I will take his childhood team.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh.
Speaker 3: Oh, you taking on South Carolina. Oh you five and
a half point favorites on the road against South Carolina. Tom, Uh,
we're talking about getting back on track. I think for
ow you the defense is going to do its thing.
But is if John Mattier doesn't turn the football over,
then then they should win this. To me, it just
depends on what version of John Matteer do we see?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is last week. We're gonna we're gonna find
out what John mytear is made of. We're gonna find
out what Preventables is made of here.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: How resilient is this OU team? That's what we're gonna
find out this week?
Speaker 3: Texas A and M taking on Arkansas. This is a
rivalry game. Arkansas two and four. They gave Tennessee all
they can handle last week, nearly won that game thirty
four to thirty one. And Bobby Petrino's debut. Uh, Aggie's
going on the road here. Taylor Green, we know is
a good quarterback. We talk about trap games and such, Tom,
I wouldn't be surprised if Arkansas can give Texas A
and M a run for their money there. Texas A
and M only seven a half point favorites. I like
the Aggies here, but this game could be interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could, And I said it last week. A
and M one of those teams. What are they? A
and M's ranked fourth.
Speaker 2: A and M's ranked fourth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is this is the you know they
called the Pope choke, but I don't. I don't know
what you'd call A and M the choke. Andiam's gonna
slip up somewhere and this might be the week. I mean,
Faville not tough. It's not a super tough place to play,
but it's not easy.
Speaker 3: Number five Old Miss taking on number nine Georgia College
game Day is gonna be there. Georgia five and one
on the year. They're only lost at Bama a couple
of weeks ago at home Old Miss six and zero. Tom,
Maybe I'm being too critical of an undefeated team, but
I haven't been that impressed with Old Miss, to be honest.
I feel like there's something missing there with that team.
I feel like george is the better team.
Speaker 2: They're at home.
Speaker 3: I like their offense, their defense is solid. Give me
Georgia to handle things against Old Miss. They're seven and
a half point favorites for a reason.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, there's I mean old miss granted got
a good win against tell us you their other games
barely beat Washington State by three, beat up on a
two lane team, one score game against Arkansas, one score
against Kentucky. Georgia I think is gonna cover easy.
Speaker 3: I think here Florida taking on Mississippi State, could this
be it for Billy Napier.
Speaker 2: If they lose the Mississippi State and dropped the two.
Speaker 3: And five they are at home, They're nine and a
half point favorites. Gotta give Jeff Levy credit. He's done
much better in his second year. The talent for Florida
they are the mortalent team and Lagway and company with
their defense, Florida should win, but you never know with
the old Billy Napier Tom I I I'm picking Florida here,
but I don't say this with a ton of confidence.
It's one of those where I'm just kind of turning
my back and hiding my eyes and not having to
look here because it very well could be curtains for
Billy Napier if they lose this one at home Mississippi State.
Speaker 5: I think if you're a Napier and you want to
keep your job, you just have to keep winning at
this point. I think really any loss that Florida takes
going forward could be billyon Navier's last game. It really
doesn't matter who they played. At this point. You can't
fire him after a win.
Speaker 2: Right Number twenty one Texas taking on Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Texas coming off that impressive performance against Ou and Red
River last week. They're four and two. Kentucky's two and three.
Kentucky not a very good team. Mark Stoops could very
well be on his way out. Tom Arch played his
best game of the season last week, his numbers still
weren't earth shattering, though. Do you think Arch and this
Texas team have turned a corner. I'm not quite bought
in yet because that Florida game was just two weeks
ago too. As good as they looked last week, it wasn't.
You don't have to go too far back to see
when Texas last struggled. I think they beat Kentucky here,
but I'm still not thinking that this team is going
to be a playoff team.
Speaker 2: I think they got to win out pretty much to
be a playoff team right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too, and very interested to see it.
Is there a hangover after Red River. Very interested to
see if they can continue playing as dominant. Should be
okay against Kentucky, but you never know.
Speaker 3: Tennessee taking on Alabama the number eleven balls taking out
the number six Crimson Tide. Both teams at five and one.
The games in Tuscaloosa, it's under the lights. Look, ty
Simpson has looked fantastic. He might be my favorite quarterback
in college football right now. I've been very impressed with
the way ty Simpson has played. They have been a
much improved team from where they were a week one
against Florida State, Tennessee got away with one. Last week
against Arkansas, got away with one against Mississippi State. Aguilar
good quarterback, but he's got some turnover issues. This is
one I would be surprised if Tennessee won here. I
think Bama handle's beenin's at home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too. I mean, you know, Tennessee
not a bad team by any means, but I think,
you know, Bama after losing to n FSU, they kind
of turned the corner and it was either they were
gonna be dog shit or they were going to turn
it up. And I like what Kayla Debor has done
since that loss.
Speaker 3: And then last one for you six forty five on
Saturday Night, number sixteen Maszoo five and one, digging on
Auburn three and three.
Speaker 2: It's not looking good there for who Freese there with
the Auburn Tigers.
Speaker 3: He looks to be on his way out. Meanwhile, Eli
Drinkwitz his stockets rising. You know, last week was probably
the biggest game they've ever had, and they lose in
a close one Tobama that came right down with the
wire that they very well could have found a way
to win.
Speaker 2: They're not out of it, though by any stretch. They
still could, you know, make the playoffs for potentially being
the SEC Toddle game.
Speaker 3: But now you go on the road. Let's see how
this team bounces back after losing their first game of
the year. I like missou here. They're only one and
a half point favorite. Tom.
Speaker 2: I like Missoo by at least a touchdown.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, they gave Bamine everything they could take
and damn near did it. I like missou Here too.
They're one of those teams I would not want to play.
Speaker 3: Morena comp Jenny Carlson said to join us next. We'll
also have Tom Foolery coming up later on in the show.
Stay with us, join us now in the program. This week,
please to welcome in from the Oklahoma and it is
our old friend Jenny Carlson who's back to talk all
things oh U, OSU and thunder.
Speaker 4: Jenny, so much to talk about.
Speaker 3: Let's get started with the Sooners after that loss to
Texas last week. What's kind of the feeling in Norman
after the Sooners were handed their first defeat of the year.
Speaker 6: Well, probably depends on who you talk to in Norman.
I think the fans are probably will tell you that, oh,
you won't win another game, that they're done for that,
you know, they're going to finish five and seven. Talk
to people in the building, and I think it's probably
a little bit more tempered of expectations. You know, obviously
Oklahoma did not play well against Texas. The week before,
Texas did not play well against Florida, and so I
think the expectation after Texas struggled at in the Swamp
was that Oklahoma, especially defensively, was going to have you know,
a much bigger impact on Texas than ended up having.
And so, you know, obviously not not what Oklahoma wanted.
You know, you got a chance to not only beat
your rival, but continue to build, you know, a case
for a CC championship game, a college football playoff spot.
You want to take every opportunity that you have to
do that, but when it's against your biggest rival, like
you really want to do that. So clearly disappointing. Did
not play well an offense or defense. I mean, the
defense only gave up sixteen points, but didn't get to
arch Manning like I think they really wanted to and
thought they would. So that was really kind of souring.
But you know, now the margin for air is you know,
the path to the playoff is narrower. I mean, they're
they're gonna have to They're gonna have to win a
lot of ball games down the stretch. And you know,
they've got arguably the toughest schedule in the country they
did a year ago because either of them are Florida
and it's either them or Florida again this year. So yeah,
so they're gonna they're gonna have to get with it.
They can't they can't get where they want to go
and play the way they played against Texas. But up
until that Texas game, they played much better, So I
think The expectation internally at Oklahoma is they'll get back
to doing what they did pre Texas. But you know,
fans tend to be a little bit more short sighted and.
Speaker 4: You know, have them have him done for what's the
latest with John Mattier.
Speaker 3: He came back from that injury through three interceptions. Are
they using that as an excuse? Is was he brought
back too early? Or is that something that has been
thought of that he just had a bad game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we saw that. What we saw with
his struggles against Texas were more a product of not
practicing for three weeks than probably his hand. Now, his
hand was clearly you know, he was aware of it.
He was wiping it. It got bloodied when he got hit.
The word was it like knocked off a scab, and
that's why he was bleeding. It wasn't some sort of
you know, reinjury to either the brake or the surgery.
But still, you know, he was obviously aware that he
was bleeding and he was going to probably need to
wipe that off. So I'm sure that was in his head,
probably even more than he was expecting, because I don't
think anybody was expecting that hand to bleed like it did,
but he looked just more rusty than he looked affected
by that, you know, not and some open receivers not,
you know, just not sort of the sharpness that we'd
seen from him before. You know, he he's had some
moments where he's kind of rolled the dice and thrown
into you know, coverage that you were thought, oh my gosh,
you know, somebody could pick that off, and then Texas
made him.
Speaker 3: Pay for those.
Speaker 6: But it looked to me more like somebody that hadn't
been on the practice field much as much as you know,
the hand being a problem. Nobody has said he came
back too soon. He hasn't, coaches haven't, so none of
that is the talk at Oklahoma. And I have to
think that just getting back into practice like he did
this week, because he wasn't cleared by the doctors last
week until Thursday, and at that point, you know, kind
of all the practice is done. You know, Friday's a
walk through day, travel day, so you're not really going
to practice that day, and then his game day, so
he really didn't get much in the way of practice
at all a week ago before Texas. He'll have much more,
you know, in the in the rearview mirror when they
go to South Caro line of this week, and that
should help. But obviously, you know they need they need
to catch passes, they need to run the ball more effectively,
they need to block better. There's a lot about the
offense that was not really what they would want, making
Materier throw thirty eight passes against Texas with that you know,
surgically repaired and only seventeen days after surgery. That was
the product of their run game not being very effective.
I think they're ran for fifty two yards against Texas
and that's not that's not good. That's that's not that's
not a recipe for success. So they got to run
the ball better, they got to block better, they got
to catch better, and Matiers got to play better. Then,
you know, they need to be the need to be
better across the board when it comes to the offense,
and I think they do some of those other things
and that'll help Domteer for sure.
Speaker 3: You mentioned the schedule toughest in the country remaining, and
this week against South Carolina is arguably their easiest game left.
But that's not a guarantee either by any stretch of
the imagination going on the road against a well coached
team by Shane Bieber. There this next stretch for OWU,
they're certainly going to be tested. And I hate even
using this term, but Jenny, to me, it feels like
this weekends and must win against South Carolina.
Speaker 6: I would say that that's, you know, unless they go
on a heater that is, you know, next level. They
need to win this game at South Carolina because their
last five opponents are all ranked, and not only Top
twenty five, top sixteen, you know which I mean, rankings
are what rankings are. It's not a be all end all,
but you're talking about five really good teams that have
won a lot of ball games already this year. So,
you know, I think when you've got again, it's like Texas.
You know, obviously, you know, Texas look like a wounded team,
look like a vulnerable team coming out of that loss
at Florida, and Oklahoma didn't didn't expose those vulnerabilities, didn't
take advantage of those vulnerabilities the same way that Florida did.
And I think that that's one of those things that you're,
you know, you're just you're just requiring more and more,
probably not upsets necessarily, but you know you're gonna have
to win games that you may not be favored and
you may not be the better team. It seemed like
Oklahoma going into that Texas game had a better situation
to maximize what Texas was struggling with. And then Texas
figured out a way to get the run game going
and block better for Arch and move him out of
the pocket, and you know, some of those things. I
definitely think Steve Sarkisian needs credit for the way he
steamed and worked to you know, minimize some of those things.
But yeah, this is a situation where you know it's
not going to be easy. It's a road game. You know,
South Carolina with Leonora Sellers at quarterback, they're definitely capable.
They've got a couple of defensive ends that are causing
havoc and Oklahoma's you know, sketchy play at times on
the offensive line. I think le leaves you open a
little bit to be concerned there. But Oklahoma looks like
the better team, and in situations in the SEC when
you're the better team, you need to go win. So yeah,
I think for for a big twelve or not big twelve,
I'm sorry for SEC, you know, standings and those sorts
of things. This is a game Oklahoma needs to go win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no question about it. Jenny Carlson jotting us
on the program this week, Jenny. Brent Venables made some
headlines this week, not necessarily the best looks of sorts.
Speaker 4: You mentioned the Big.
Speaker 3: Twelve with him comparing the SEC schedule to the Big
Twelve schedule, saying that we're not dominating teams every week
like we did in the Big Twelve. And of course
the Big Twelve responded with their own tweets saying that
he lost eight games in two years in the conference.
And you know, I don't know how you feel about this,
but Genny, the way I looked at his comments, he's
not technically wrong, but he's not necessarily the best messenger
for that. If Bob Stoops had been the one to
say that, I feel like nobody bats an eye. But
knowing that it was Brent that said that with his
track record, I think that's where, you know, people kind
of got frustrated or uneasy a bit. Not necessarily a
great look either, coming off that loss to Texas as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think in Brent's head he he
was talking about when he was the defensive coordinator at Oklahoma,
not the head coach at Oklahoma, because obviously, you know,
they had a two lost season in his first year
and then lost six in their last year in the
Big Twelve. So obviously as a head coach he had
his struggles. But when he was a defensive coordinator, that
was when Oklahoma ruled the Big Twelve. I mean, you know,
that was a case where you know, it was maybe
one or two tough games depending on you know, how
goods Texas, how goods Nebraska, those sorts of things in
those days. But yeah, that was not that was not
clear what he was talking about. So I think that's
what he meant. And it's interesting too because you know,
I think there was a time not so long ago
in the SEC that quite honestly, the SEC, even though
they liked to talk about how tough the SEC is, there,
it was very top heavy in the SEC. I mean, Georgia, Alabama.
You know, you had that run where a bunch of
different SEC teams won national championships, but there for a while,
it was super top heavy. You know, those those teams
at the tip top were winning everything, and you know,
there weren't too many games on their schedule that.
Speaker 4: Were difficultlord to what the Big Ten is now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think there there is some of that,
But I think the SEC has seen as much as
maybe any conference, and maybe the Big Twelve would would
would contend they're in that conversation too, as much as
any conference that nil transfer portal era has evened out.
The SEC. I mean, I think you've still got some teams,
you know, Kentucky, probably Mississippi State, Arkansas. You know that
it's not your You may not you know, you could
probably get beat by them, but there's a good chance
you're gonna win. Now, it's interesting that a lot of
those teams that you say that about are on Texas's schedule,
not on Oklahoma's. If you look at the schedules that
these two teams got going into the SEC, I think
there's some people in Oklahoma that'd be like, hold on,
Texas got that schedule and Oklahoma got this schedule. But
all that to say, there's a lot more even games
one possession, you know, three or four plays that determine
the outcome of a game. It feels much more like
the NFL in terms of like just you know, week
to week, like like, look look at Texas. They lose
to Florida, then they beat Oklahoma. You know, you can
look across the league in five instances where you know,
Alabama loses Florida State to start the year. Now they've
beat three really good teams.
Speaker 3: In a row.
Speaker 6: So you know, to me, it's it's a league where
you know, teams that you don't think are gonna win
based on what's maybe happened most recently, will come out
and win. Because I think there's a lot more parody
in the SEC now than there probably has been in
several years. So uh yeah, I do think it's interesting
to sort of all these big twelve comments that have
come up. But I do think the SEC it's hard
to win. I mean, like I said, there's probably some
games that everybody looks at and says, all right, maybe,
but there's a lot of pretty good teams in this
league too.
Speaker 3: Jenny, This James Franklin firing this week, I think probably
got everybody on edge around the country looking in the
mirror at their own coaching situations.
Speaker 4: And I look at Brent Vinables.
Speaker 3: It's year four now and he hasn't had close to
the track record of success that James Franklin did at
Penn State and a three game skid and all of
a sudden, James Franklin's out of a job. What's kind
of the confidence level for what's in Brent Vinables in
that Oklahoma situation. Do you see them giving him the
time and respect comparably speaking to maybe what Penn State did?
Do they operate differently in your eyes?
Speaker 6: Well that you know, it's a good question. I guess
anything's possible nowadays. And you know, these mid season or
even early season firings, it's a whole new thing in
college football. I mean, this didn't used to be unless
there was scandal. You didn't have guys losing their job
in the middle of the year in college football. So
it's all it's all new, and so I guess anything's possible.
But you know, I think, uh, it's hard to it's
hard to see. I mean, I guess if Oklahoma loses out,
I guess anything's on the table. If they go five
and seven, Okay, maybe we can talk about, you know,
what what happens with Brent Vinables. But until we get
a little closer to that reality, Brent Vinnables the job
he's done with the defense. I don't think we can
understate just how much of a turnaround that has been,
because when he arrived on campus, they had a defense
that was basically holding back their offense from you know,
being a being a title contender nationally, and they had
offenses with Lincoln Riley that could have won you know,
I don't know how many titles, whether it was a
Baker Mayfield years, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts, like, they had
great offensive teams and their defense was so bad they
couldn't possibly they couldn't get there. They couldn't they couldn't
get to that level because the defense. I mean, even
if they just had a mid mid range defense, they
probably could have at least got to the title game.
They couldn't even get to the title game. So just
a real uh, you know, Oklahoma, their defense was was
in shambles. They did not have the talent, they didn't
have a scheme that could win. I mean, just all
the things that were that were bad could have been bad,
were bad. And so I think to now see Oklahoma's
defense not just respectable, but one of the best in
the country, and you know, you look at something like
their defensive line, which you know, in the SEC, obviously
the line of scrimmage is where where it's at. You know,
you gotta be great on the line of scrimmage. And
I wasn't sure that Oklahoma on the defensive line could
ever get anywhere close to what they'd had, you know,
not just even talking about like Switzer era times with
like you know, Tony Gacias and and the Selman brothers,
and I mean, like that was like no way. I'm
thinking about, like, how are they gonna get back to
a time when they've got a Tommy Harris or you know,
somebody like that on the defensive line. It just seemed
like that's not gonna happen. Well, now they've got a
defensive line that really is eight guys deep, and frankly,
Jalen Jayden Jackson, one of their one of their nose tackles,
one of their interior guys on the defensive line, might
be the best player on the team. I mean, don't
you don't see like a lot of interior defensive linemen
becoming the best. But he's He's fantastic. So like the
fact that they have rebuilt that defense to a point
where you know, it gives him a chance. I think
that that is a huge, you know, huge, huge star
by Brent Bennable's name. So obviously, if it all goes
to pot before the end of the year, we can
have this conversation again. But I think he's already built
up goodwill that way, and I think they've done some
things internally and how they're dealing with a talent evaluation,
portal evaluation that has really given Brent a chance to
lean into the coaching. I mean, I think that's why
he was able to go back and take over the
defensive coordinator reins last offseason when they lost Zach Ally.
I think he was able to say, you know what, Previously,
maybe I didn't have time and energy to pull that
off to be the defensive coordinator and the head coach.
But the way they've done some things internally, he has
a chance to do that. And it is really I mean,
it's it's it's it's overhauled that defense. Obviously, things were
already trending in that direction under Brent, having the players,
having the scheme, all those things, but now we've really
seen it elevate to the point where you know, that's huge,
and I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 6: Difference maybe between Franklin and and and Venables is, you know,
I think when ou goes into the SEC, maybe the
fans don't want to admit it, but it's gonna take
some time. You know, we're gonna have to figure out
like what you don't have. You're gonna have to play
against the SEC for a while to sort of see
where you are. And you know, it's been it's been revealing.
They they had to get better, and they've gotten better
in a lot of places. So I think maybe that's
a little bit. The difference is, like Franklin wasn't fired
just because of like this season he's had trouble winning
big games at Penn State, and then like he had
trouble winning big games this year and it was like, Okay,
we're kind of done here. So do I think they
can get another you know, like a great coach. You
know you're running a risk obviously, But I think that's
where I don't think James Franklin got fired for three
and three. I think he got fired because of other stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 3: Jenny Carlson, jot, I guess here on the program this week, Jenny,
let me ask you next about what's gone.
Speaker 4: On in Stillwater.
Speaker 3: They're looking for a new head coach, of course, what's
the latest in that coaching search, and from what you've heard,
what are they looking for in their next head coach?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think it's it's going to be interesting. Obviously,
they were one of the early firings, you know, moving
on from Mike Gundy after twenty plus years. He was
in his twenty first season. You know, I think there's
some Cowboy fans that probably deepen their heart of hearts,
are thinking a little bit like some Penn State fans.
You know, this guy was pretty good. Are we going
to find somebody better?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: But I think the way that these last you know,
eighteen months or so of Oklahoma State football have gone,
I think people were pretty pretty much in agreement it
was time to do something different. So to me, reading
between the lines, Chad Weiberg, the athletic director at Oklahoma State,
not been, you know, not been out there talking a
lot about the job search, obviously doing a lot behind
the scenes. But I think sort of read between the lines.
He wants somebody that has a plan for how to
deal with the modern era of college football. How do
you handle NIOL, how do you handle revenue sharing, how
do you handle evaluation? How do you go into the
portal and find the best guys?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: How do you and then how do you bring together
a team that might have a lot of new players
on it. I think having and being able to go
out and get money, you know, find boosters and donors
and raise your own money. So to me, you know,
I think that probably means that he wants a head coach,
somebody with head coaching experience, and I think he probably
wants somebody that's done some money, raised some money out there.
So to me, that starts a point towards guys like
Eric Morris at North Texas. You know, they've they've woned
North Texas and he's raised some money. So I'm not
saying that he's the guy, but that's the type of
thing I think that Chad Weiberg is going to be
looking for. Can you can you can you come in
and tell me this is how I'm going to win.
This is my plan for building back Oklahoma State football,
for doing it in this modern era. You know, Chad,
when he the day of Gundy's hiring. Chad pointed out,
you know this is this is a different day in time.
You know, the game has changed, and basically you need
somebody that's able to, you know, embrace that and handle
that and maneuver through that in ways that Oklahoma State
was slow to and now they're trying to recover from.
It's not gonna be easy, I don't think. But here's
the thing. Big twelve is as topsy turvy a league
as you will find, and I know it's frustrating for
people who are fans of teams in the league, but
it's wildly fascinating because you just never know what's going
to happen. So while Oklahoma State has fallen way behind
in the new look Big Twelve, it's entirely possible that
they get somebody in there who goes and finds the
right players and suddenly they're right back in the mix.
Like I could see that happening. That's the way the
league is, so I think. But I think you've got
to get somebody with a plan and somebody who can
motivate boosters to be active, raise the money and get involved.
I think those are probably the two things that Chad
Wiberg's gonna be looking for most you.
Speaker 3: Know, we see these coaching searchers all the time where
programs go for the big name and that doesn't always
necessarily work out.
Speaker 4: Most recent example North Carolina with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3: And you know some of the you know, I hear
people talking big names like well, James Franklin's available now,
or John Gruden, or we bring back Zach Robinson, whatever
it may be.
Speaker 4: And where I would caution.
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State fans, Jenny, and I think this goes along
what you're talking about here. You know, you can win
the press conference, sure with the big name at the beginning,
but once you get down to the nuts and bolts,
this is about winning football games and building a program
here and some of these coaches like a GJ. Kenney
or some of these others out there, I mean, that's
the long term play. And I think if you're Oklahoma State,
your focus has got to be not winning the press conference,
but what can we build this thing long term to
get to where we want to.
Speaker 6: Be well, And that's what Chad Weiberg, I mean, he
alluded to that in his press conference. You know, I
think there was a lot of people that in the moment,
like they fired my Gundy on a Tuesday, which is
a weird day to fire a coach, Like they lost
to Tulsa on Friday, and so there were a lot
of people like, what are they doing fired them on Tuesday?
And Weyberg said, basically, listen, if we get this right,
if this is if we if we make a great
hire and we get the program back on the footing
that Mike Gundy basically established the high level of you know,
contending and winning a lot of ball games. If that,
if that guy gets them back to that level in
a couple of years, nobody's going to be talking about
the fact that Mike Gundy got fired on a Tuesday,
Like this is about the long game. And Chad Weiberg's mind, Now,
I do think that it's what you said is right,
And it also strikes me that you don't want to
be thinking in terms of finding the next twenty year
coach at Oklahoma State. Now, they may do it. Maybe
they hired the next Mike Gundy that's there for two decades,
but maybe they also hire somebody that in five years,
four years, three years, is the next head coach at
Penn State or Nebraska or you know whatever, fill in
whatever blank program I think you have to. It's sort
of like it's the new era in terms of how
you build a program. It's a new era and how
you know long what longevity looks like. So don't be
afraid to go after somebody that you think this guy
may not be here in three or four years. Okay,
that's fine. But if in three or four years he's
gotten you back, you know that you're on the on
ramp and you're back on the you know, the freeway,
you gotta hire that guy. If you think he's gonna
do that in a couple of years, that's your guy,
no matter what you think about, Oh, he's got ties
to you know, Florida State, or he's got ties to
blah blah blah. Don't worry about it. Do not worry
about it. Hire the best person that you think is
going to take you where you want to go in
the next two to three to four years. I don't
think you can think about twenty years. You might get
that guy, but that cannot be your focus because those
guys may may not exist in college football much anymore,
and you're just gonna have to roll with it. You
might have to have another coaching search in five years.
You're just gonna have to be okay with that, but
find the guy that gets the job done as quickly
as possible in the next couple of years.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you think Oklahoma State has any regrets hiring Jimmy Johnson?
I don't think so. Now it worked out pretty good
all things considered last.
Speaker 3: Week on Oklahoma State, and then we'll shift gears over
the thunder Mike Gundy.
Speaker 4: What is next you think for Mike?
Speaker 3: There's plenty of openings out there already, and I know
he would be fantastic on television. I don't know if
he's potentially interested in a political future. He's been out
spoken on those views. What in the world do you
think Mike's gonna do next? And could Kale potentially be
along for the ride too?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: You know, when Mike got fired, I can't remember if
I was having this conversation or overhearing a conversation somebody
was talking about, you know, Gundhy in another job, and
I was like, I would be like floored if he
took another job. I I guess I just don't. I
don't know that I necessarily see him like people talked
about Arkansas, you know, like, does he really like does
he really want to go to Arkansas? And like start,
I mean, they've got a lot of stuff to fix
at Arkansas. Like does he does he really want to
do that? I maybe he does.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I I maybe I could be dead wrong about this,
but I think I'm still going to be surprised if
Mike Gundhy is a head coach in college football. Again.
Maybe again, maybe I'm dead wrong, but that's sort of
my sense. But I think the TV thing would be
a natural and I think he could, you know, do
that and still enjoy some of the downtime that I
think he may be rediscovering now, you know, it's just
such a heavy lift in college football anymore. And you know,
I don't know, it feels like to me that it's
just probably not likely that he takes another head coaching job,
But would not be surprised to see him commentating about
the game for you know, several years to come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would be fantastic at that, I think, And
we'll see how it plays out. Meanwhile, the Oklahoma City Thunder,
coming off a NBA championship for the first time in
franchise history and now have to defend said title. And Genny,
I look at that roster. They didn't change much, hardly
anything at all from that championship team last year. This
this feels like they're they're kind of just running it
back if sorts here with this young crew.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is very much the same roster they you know,
got obviously some draft picks. One of their draft picks
from a couple or from a year ago who was
hurt all last year. Lottery guy Nikola Topitch will be available.
He's he's a tore in ACL and so now he
is full go. So I think he's dealing with something
right now, but eventually it's not a season long thing again.
So you know, that's kind of the addition frankly to
this roster right now. So yeah, it does very much
look like the same team. And I think the thing
that's interesting is is that, you know, this was a
super young team a year ago when they won the title.
They're still really young. I mean, it's not like there
suddenly these veteran you know, laid in their prime players,
their big three are either just entering their prime or
not even close to their prime yet. Whether you're talking
about Shay Gildeth, Alexander Jalen Williams, or Chad Holmgren. So
you know, these are still young players and now they're
NBA champions. So how does a championship change them? Does
it change them? Because really, I think one of the
thunder superpowers a year ago was guys that are really talented,
whether those stars or role players or other starters, they
knew what they needed to do and they accepted and
embraced those roles, and that, to me is what made
them great because you know, a guy like Chad Holmgren
could have you know, if he had if he had
a big ego, it could have been like I gotta
get X amount of shots or uh, you know, Alex
Caruso's coming off the bench. He's been a starter in
a lot of places. He's won an NBA Championship, he
was with the Lakers when they won in the in
the Covid bubble, you know, he's been all NBA defense.
I mean, like all those things. Guys like that could
have been like, hey, I got a start, you know,
I'm not coming off the bench. He could have pouted,
or any number of guys could have been that guy,
and they didn't have that. Now that they're NBA champs,
you know, is there outside noise You just don't know?
To me, like that's yes, they are the same in name,
but they're different. They've done things, They've been places that
they weren't a year ago. So does that alter some
of their superpowers? I think that's a question. My gut
is that because their stars are really committed to winning.
I mean, Shay Gilgas Alexander sets the tone for the
entire thing, and he is one of probably the most
deferential superstars that you'll find. He you know, is not
afraid to pass it to open teammates even when he
has a really good shot or the moment is clutch.
I mean, he even did that in the playoffs. He
even did that in Game seven of the NBA Finals.
So that is different than a lot of other superstars.
So I think it sets them up to handle and
maneuver a different situation better than maybe some teams. But
they still got to do it. I mean, and now
teams are going to be gun and for him a
year ago, you know, they won sixty eight games in
the regular season. But I think a lot of people
around the NBA were like, we'll see these guys are young,
you know, I don't know, we'll find out if they're
really that good. Well, now they've won the title. You know,
there's teams that a year ago were you know, bottom feeders,
and the Thunder went in there and they thrashed them.
Now those guys are gonna look at games against the
Thunder as a chance to make a statement. And so
everybody's going to be playing at a high level against
these guys. So I think, you know, they may not
win sixty eight games again, I wouldn't be surprised to
see him not do that. But I think they're still
a really good team, and you know, it's gonna be
very interesting to see how they adapt, how they change,
how they improve, maybe where they have their struggles. But
I think they've got a lot of things going for him,
you know, namely three guys that are super talented and
super young. So they've got those three signed through I
think it's twenty thirty one, So it's a it's an
unbelievable runway that they potentially have in front of them
that they're really just kind of getting started on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no question about it.
Speaker 3: You mentioned the young talent on this team, and I'm wondering, Ginny,
who is going to be that next player or maybe
players poral that takes a big step forward. We saw
Jalen Williams take a massive step last year. She took
a big step as well, and he was injured for
much of the season. Who's a player or two that's
got your eye that that could could elevate things? Is
it a caseon Wallace potentially? Who catches your attention?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think Cason Wallace is the one
that kind of springs to mind for me. You know,
a guy that really found minutes because he defensively was
was really good as a rookie than last year. I
think elevated from there. But you know, I think he's
probably when you think about sort of, you know, across
the board, what he can get better at, I think
I think he could really take some steps. But I think,
you know, I think chet Holmgren might be the guy
I'd be most I think could take the biggest steps
because he obviously has hurt all his rookie year, doesn't
play that first year, then he plays all eighty two games,
you know, two years ago, and then last year has
that just awful hip fracture falls out of the sky
practically when he breaks that hip. You know, Sam Presty
talked about, I think it was at his season ending
press conference a year ago, just how bad the pain
was for Chet Holmgren. I think Sam Presty basically said
it's like the worst pain he's ever seen somebody dealing with,
and just how awful that broken hip was. And Cheded
Holmgren's basically immobilized in his bed for weeks, you know,
trying to heal. He comes back, plays very limited amount
with Isaiah Hartenstein, very limited just in general. So I
think if Chet Holmgren can stay on the floor, his
physical abilities, his mental makeup, He's another guy that like
he's all basketball like you know people, and I think
there's a little bit of like wimby Chet, you know stuff,
But for the most part, Check really seems like a
guy that's just like, Okay, let's just play ball. Like
I don't really care. I'm not going to buy into
all this talk and the hype and all that jazz.
He just wants to go out there, play, win, go home.
So like, if he can stay healthy and play a
little bit more with Hartenstein, they can figure out that
too big rotation. But he can also play, you know
with their smaller lineup, and you know, how does he
guard the rim? How does he stretch the floor offensively?
I mean all those things that we kind of started
to see, Like before he got hurt last year, My god,
he was so good. You were like, okay, he's about
to hit the rocket ship. Then he gets hurt, and
then it was just a miracle that he was able
to integrate himself back into I mean, he basically jumped
on a bullet train that was already you know, you know,
zooming down the track, and he figured out a way
to have effect winning and you know, be really good
for them. But he's already on the bullet train now.
Like if he can just you know, figure out where
he can plug in be better, make him better, I
think we could see big steps by chet Holmgern this year.
Speaker 3: All right, last question, Lenna, this jitny does it happen again?
Do the thunder repeat? And if they don't, how far
do you see them.
Speaker 4: Going this year?
Speaker 6: Oh man, the West is so tough. That's the thing
that like you just you look around the West and
you're like, good grief. You know, they had what was
a heavyweight about with the Nuggets in the second round
a year ago, and just you know, trading body blows
and you know, Nikola Jokic does this, and Shay Gildess
Alexander does that, and I mean it's just it was
just an unbelievably epic series. And you know, you could see,
like Durance in Houston, like what's Houston gonna be if
they can sort of take their young core and their
veterans and merge it together and make it work, Like
what are they gonna be? Denver? Still, you know, got
some really good players as long as they got Jokic.
He makes everybody around him so good. I mean, can
the Spurs, you know, with Wimby, can they get going?
I mean, there's just so many great or potentially great
teams in the West. It feels like you're gonna have
to have I mean, you're gonna have to stay healthy.
Guys are gonna have to be playing well. Your stars
are gonna have to play well. I mean, the deck
is stacked against anybody repeating right now, we've seen it.
We haven't seen a repeat championship champion since the Warriors
did it in seventeen eighteen, So the odds would say,
are they gonna do it again?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: But they they're so good and they're so young. You know,
if luck falls their way, I think they got a
great chance. I think they've got a great pedigree. I
think they've got a great system, a great mentality, all
those sorts of things. And you know, a transcendent player
in shake guildess Alexander doesn't hurt. So the odds would
say no, But man, it's hard. It's hard to bet
against him.
Speaker 3: Right now, Jenny, before we go plug away, tell people
where they can see all your work and follow ever
each thing, all your coverage of Oh you Will, what's you?
Speaker 4: And the thunder?
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 6: The best place to find me as our website, Oklahoma
dot com. If you go to our sports page, I've
got my own tab. People can find me there, find
all the stuff that I've written. But I'm on the Socials,
Blue Skies my go to right now. I think I'm
just at Jenny Carlson Underscore. Okay, maybe just j E
n N. I look me up. I'm there. Try to
stay as connected as possible, But Oklahoma dot Com is
the best way to find me.
Speaker 3: Awesome stuff Jenny appreciate the time. As always, we'll talk
you in down the line.
Speaker 6: All right, Thanks Tyler.
Speaker 5: Big.
Speaker 3: Thanks to Jenny Carlson for joining us. You heard her
talking a little bit about the Oklahoma City Thunder. Let's
continue the NBA discussion as the NBA season is just
a few days away. Thomas Bridge is back here with me.
Let's preview the twenty twenty five through twenty sixth season. Tom,
Let's start with the defending champions, the Oklahoma City Thunder.
And this has been the feel good story of the
NBA the last few years. Right, this young team that
was ahead of schedule, that was all home grown, that
delivered the first title to Oklahoma City that Kad and
Russ could not And with all the players they've had
over the years, from Paul George to Carmelo Anthony, Serge Ibaka,
James Harden, you name it, none of.
Speaker 2: Those guys could win a title.
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City finally gets it done. Then they get the
extensions worked out, the max contracts for SGA and Jalen
Williams and chatting all this. But now here we are,
and we mentioned this a little bit with Arizona State.
It's a whole different mindset when you go from the
hunter to the hunted. And Oklahoma City is still one
of the youngest teams in the league, still is one
of the youngest coaches.
Speaker 2: In the league.
Speaker 3: And Mark Dagnault here and now they'll have a target
on their back. Everybody's full attention here. That's a whole
different mindset. I think for Oklahoma City, the only thing
that is stopping them from winning the title this year
is going to be the injury bug. And if they
can keep chet Sga Jalen Williams all healthy when it
comes crunch down to the postseason, there'll be another title
coming to Oklahoma City. But we've seen some bad luck.
Some team seasons are already over before it starts. Indiana
with Haliburton, you look at you know, the Celtics with
Tatum out.
Speaker 2: For me, that's what it comes down to for Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3: What do you think about the thunder heading into the
twenty twenty five through twenty six campaign.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's definitely difficult to go back to back.
Even my team, the Spurs, have never been able to
go back to back, and they've tried many times. But
you know, the great teams that have gone back to back,
Golden State, Chicago Bulls, LA Lakers. Obviously, you know, I'm
trying to the Heat. I guess the Heat never went
back to the Heatles didn't go back to back. You know,
it is a lot more difficult. I don't want to
say you as a team that you hunt for that
next second title in a row. I don't I don't
want to call it you. You're not satisfied, and maybe
I don't know, in some ways, maybe you are. Maybe
you're a little bit more relaxed. This team is still
so young, though, that they don't have a super aging
vet that I can think of that you know, maybe says,
hey we got a ring, we're good, and it takes
a little bit easier. I think this team is still
so young that they're still hungry and I don't think
they're satiated yet in terms of wanting to be done chasing.
Speaker 3: So then who's the next team in the West who
is going to be the big challenger to the Thunder.
I like what the Nuggets did this offseason with the
changes they made, and they kind of sacrifice some big
contracts to focus in on making that roster as a
whole better for Joker squad there and they were the
biggest challenger to the Thunder last year, taking them to
seven games in the Western Conference.
Speaker 2: You'll look at the Rockets.
Speaker 3: A lot of people talking about that Rockets team bringing
in Kevin Durant last year, they won a ton of games,
we got knocked out early in the postseason. kN KD
carried that team to take that next step. And then
of course there's the Los Angeles Lakers and Luca his
first full season in LA Lebron James. How much does
he still have left to offer as a top player
in this league? And do they have enough talent around them? Tom,
who is that next team that is going to be
the biggest challenger in to Oklahoma City or maybe somebody
we haven't mentioned here. I lean towards Denver because they
have the second best player in the world and Joker
only behind SGA, But I expect the Rockets to win
a lot of games. I'm not a believer in the
LA Lakers though. I think that's that's a team. That's
a good team, but I don't think that's a championship team.
Speaker 5: No, I think you're right about the Lakers. I think
this might I don't know. I'm not sure if you
I don't think he would announce it if he was
hell bent on saying it, because I think he wants
a retirement tour. I don't know, is this the last
year on Lebron? Does he does he coast and and
be flashy? I think does he put on the Kobe
Tour where, you know, try to get as many points
as he can. I don't know if that's what we
see out of Lebron. I'm to be honest, it feels
like the past couple of seasons he's obviously been still
very good at his age, But at what point, at
what point does that kind of just relax and say
I've done enough. I don't think the Lakers can win
it this year, honestly. Uh. You mentioned Denver. I think
that's the biggest threat to Okay. See we saw in
the get in the seven games. You know, I think
Hartenstein being a part of Oklahoma City kind of swayed
that a bit. We'll see if check can stay healthy.
You mentioned the injury bug Minnesota. I mean, I know
Oklahoma City took care of business to get this against
them pretty easily, but I think they'll be back. I
don't agree with you against Houston because Houston lost Fred
van van Vliet. I think that for he's done for
the season. I think Houston will still be good and
Katie will still put up numbers, and Houston will be
a tough out. But I don't think I don't think
Houston could challenge Oklahoma City at all. Obviously, I have
to throw in the Spurs. They look pretty good. I
know it's preseason. Uh, Dylan Harper already as a rookie
looks really good. Now you get you get Deer and
Fox healthy, Deer and Fox coming out to pair with Wimby.
You get the off season addition of Cordnett, who has
looked phenomenal so far. They already have a name for
the Cornet Wemby connection called French Vanilla. And then you
have Rookie of the Year Castle coming back. I don't
know if you've seen the new patches that the NBA
drop Jones. There's three players that will have the golden
patch on the back of their jersey. One is SGA
for the MVP, the other is I believe Mobley for
Defensive Player of the Year. And then Stefan Castle will
have one of those patches as the reigning rookie of
the year. I think the Spurs. I'm not gonna say
they're gonna challenge Okohma City for a championship or anything,
but this is the year that Spurs make it back
to the playoffs and they will be We could we
could see chet Wimby series.
Speaker 3: You mentioned the Spurs and one team we didn't talk
about in that same stage as the Dallas Mavericks and
the rookie Cooper Flag. Crazy that the college basketball season
last year was all about Cooper Flag and I haven't
really heard much about Cooper Flag in the last couple
of months.
Speaker 2: That's kind of faded.
Speaker 3: But with that said, Tom, the NBA has had a
star problem, right. There's been an ongoing discussion for months
on end of who is the new face of the league,
And you had Ant saying I don't want to be
that guy, and then others saying, well Sga and Joker,
they're not from the United States. That's kind of tough
build to sell. And all this, I would say, at
least for the league, something that's promising. I don't think
either team's a championship contending team with Dallas with Flag
or San Antonio with Victor, but I think those guys
are two young stars with a ton of potential, and
I'm excited just as a consumer just to see what
those guys are going to do.
Speaker 2: I think that there's potential where maybe we're looking.
Speaker 3: At those two being the young guys that kind of
carry this league into its next future going forward.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you mentioned, you know, not in from the US.
Look at look at Sga being from Canada, Luca being Slovenian.
Jokic will help me out here. There's Slovenia. Yeah, and
or yes, so where lucas either Slovenian or Slovakia. He's
over there. Yeah. Victors from France, the USA, the USA
team and twenty twenty eight better have their ship ready
to go. Ah. And you know this year the NBA
All Star Game is USA versus World, I believe. Yeah,
I don't want to call it a takeover. Yeah, I
think there are still some you know, up and coming
promising Uh, you know American players, Jason Tatum being one
of them, but he's out for the season.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: We were really getting to see a transition where the
NBA is is global and and it's all it has
been somewhat global, you know, Dirk, Yeah, I mean Genobli,
those players that we grew up with, but now it's
it's it's way different now.
Speaker 3: The Eastern Conference, let's talk about that real quick, Tom,
that is a wide open mess what's going on in
the East because of what we mentioned with the Pacers
and the Celtics with their injuries. I think the Celtics
are the biggest unknown of any team in the NBA.
I think the Knicks are gonna be good, although I
didn't like the hiring of Mike Brown personally. I thought
that was a downgrade from from Tibbs. The Cavs won
more games than anybody in the East last year and
got knocked out early. They should be improved here. I
think i'd leaned towards Cleveland, but I don't say that
with a whole lot of confidence.
Speaker 2: I think the East is pretty wide open.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know be interested to see Miles
Turner edition on the Bucks. You mentioned the Knicks could
be still in I think they will be. You mentioned
the Cavs. I think Detroit takes another step up, and
I think dark horse again was the Orlando Magic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're gonna be a very improved team.
Speaker 2: I like what Orlando's doing. Yeah, that's that's a good call.
Speaker 3: Tom Let's give out our MVP and championship picks. It
was on this program a year ago that Thomas Bridge
just picked the Oklahoma City Thunder to win the NBA
title last year. Will he do it for a second
straight year? We'll find out in a moment, tom My
MVP pick. I am gonna go with Anthony Edwards to
win the MVP. I think that one of the reasons
why I'm going with him. I believe he has a
bigger assignment to carry his team as opposed to what
SGA does in Oklahoma City or what even Joker has
in Denver. They are gonna need every ounce they can
from Ant. They're gonna need eighty two games out of ant. Uh.
That's why I got aunt winning the MVP. Who do
you have winning the MVP?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna call it. I've seen enough, I've
seen the offseason work, I've followed it. Victor Wimanyama MVP
this year?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I should have known you were going that direction.
Speaker 5: I called last year. I didn't say SGA. I don't
know who I picked last year, but I did call.
I did at this time last season, I called the
winner of the championship.
Speaker 3: Okay, so those are MVP picks. Championship, give me Thunder.
Calves and the Thunder go back to back as NBA champions.
Hopefully this is not a curse that I'm putting on
the Thunder, that I'm not jinxing them, but I'm a believer.
I just don't see anything getting in their way outside
of injuries. This is the best team on paper. Oklahoma
City gets it done again. Who is in the title
and who wins a tough I.
Speaker 5: Will also take the Calves and Thunder. I don't think
I think it's too hard in today's league to go
back to back. I'm gonna pick the Calves doing it all.
I think the Thunder can get there. I think it.
I think it's a six to seven game series obviously,
barring injuries. I mean, if you know, if any one
of these teams has a big injury, then I think
if OKC was to knock on wood, if they have
an injury bug, then I think, really anybody from the
Western Conference that we've talked about being a playoff threat
could honestly make the finals. And then at that point,
I think in the East, you really have the Calves
I think could get there. And then maybe surprise. We
saw Indian Apple. We saw this Indiana Pacers team who
looked honestly looked like kind of like dog shit in
the middle of the season last year, no one had
them going. They take the Thunder to seven games. Maybe
a team from the East like that can do it again.
If Cleveland Cavaliers can't get it done, maybe a team
like Orlando can surprise and be this year's Indiana.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: Before we wrap up Top four town fully Story of
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in the world.
Speaker 2: Tom, where are we going to this time?
Speaker 5: Jones? We are going to Sin City. I don't feel
we've been to Vegas in a while, and like its name,
this is a very sin City thing to happen. We've
seen this, uh most I guess most recently we've we've
been to this trip club World probably, And I can
remember in twenty twenty when the when you know, the
pandemic shut everything down and they were doing like drive
through strip tease shit or you know, you could just
brag your car and you flash beautiful. This time is
different now. The world's not shut down right now, and
it's not due to a pandemic. However, the United States
government is shut down right now and a lot of
people who are federal employees think thankfully has not affected me.
Kind of being adjacent to that field, are not getting
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The government is currently shut down and it is unclear
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certainly a lot less appealing options. Also, is it just me?
Is the government shutdown not really getting as much attention
as the previous ones? He kind of keeps going on.
It's really not being talked about as much as the
past one, at least not in my circles that you
know that I'm a part of. But Jones, if you
I'm not technically a government employee thankfully right now, so
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not me. I'm not a big strip club guy either, really.
Sure I've went, but at the same time, I think
if I'm a federal employee, I'm probably not traveling to Vegas.
I think, if anything, it should be a DC area
strip club offering this. Uh, I think at the same
time it I think it's meant well. But obviously Vegas.
Vegas isn't doing very hot right now either. From all
reports that I've heard that Vegas is losing people.
Speaker 2: So Vegas is dead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think this is a way for the
strip club to try to garner more business in there.
Speaker 2: Oh, the strip club here has an ulterior motive.
Speaker 3: This is not with the all we feel bad for
the government employees that are being furloughed right now and
laid off.
Speaker 2: This is we are taking advantage of.
Speaker 3: Them and they're free time that they have on their
hands and a little bit of money that they have.
Speaker 2: This is like getting a poor man to go to
the casino essentially.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like taking an alcoholic to a bar.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is exactly what this is. This is not
them looking out for you. This is them roping you
in and trying to find something. Now, with that said,
there are I'm sure some government employees in the Vegas
area that are without work right now.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, air traffic controllers.
Speaker 3: I think it's been a big topic of discussion when
it comes to the shutdown of of those affected and
and other workers in that sense. I was hearing a
story about some air traffic controller that's having to uh,
you know, drive uber eats just to kind of put
food on the table for his family to make some
money right now, which of course is not ideal in
these circumstances, in these situations here. But no, they're they're
not looking out for you now, not like Bill O'Reilly.
They're not looking out for you. They just try to
take advantage of you here. That's that's all this is.
Speaker 5: Isn't that what strip clubs do? Anyway? Yes, I will
say in the in talking about things getting shut down there,
and I knew there was one in San Antonio, but
I could never find it, or I guess I didn't
technically go looking. I knew it was around, and I
never passed by it because I would have taken a
picture of the sign and sent it to you. I
did see today. There's a strip club in San Antonio
that recently changed hands or was sold, and I forget
what they turning it into, but it was an all
Stars gentleman club.
Speaker 7: All Stars All Stars. The sign sold for twenty grand.
There was a strip club in Lawrence. It went out
of business, So you know.
Speaker 5: The government's shut down All Stars is getting shut down next.
You gotta think it's probably long John Silvers.
Speaker 2: No, not the Long John Silvers.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I told you this story, but
when I worked at cal wn Plagues Media and Lawrence
in our building in the same ownership group was ninety
two nine in the Bull our country station and our
country station program director at the time. You know, he
would be meeting with different clients, whether it was advertisers
or you know, record label people, you know in the
music industry, and on.
Speaker 2: The company Dime Tom he would take his people to.
Speaker 3: The Lady Bird, which I never went to The Lady
Bird when I lived in Lawrence also aka the Bird
and the Bird. You know did like Legs and Eggs,
where you had an all you could eat buffet and
you could get a show at the same time. And
he took people representing our company on his behalf on
the company Dime over there, and uh it worked. We
got a lot of business out of it.
Speaker 5: That's incredible. I myself, I don't think I could ever
bring myself to go eat it of legs and Eggs,
not even if somebody paid for it. I don't think
in the middle of the day yeah, that's yeah. I
don't know what kind of for lack of a better term,
what kind of talent is that the bird in the
middle of the day.
Speaker 2: What kind of show are you getting?
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess if it worked out, I guess.
Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed your eggs. Here comes candy for dessert.
Speaker 5: Oh God, is the Is the bird still open that
you know of? I believe it is if it survived.
All Stars couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I blame smash Mouth for that.
Speaker 5: Hey, now you're an all Star. Get your game on,
go play.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're in Vegas, Tom, I feel like,
now there's so much other things because everybody's got sports
gambling for the most part. You got casinos everywhere. We
got bigger casinos in Oklahoma, and strip clubs are kind
of losing their luster.
Speaker 2: I'm starting to see why Vegas has kind of died
off here.
Speaker 3: Like you see these type of deals like the Despine
to try anything that sticks against the wall.
Speaker 5: Right, I mean, yeah, if it's anything getting shut down,
we'll have a drive through strip club. If not, then
you can come in here and get a free lap dance.
I mean, and no one's going to no federal employees
are going to Vegas right now that spend money. So
maybe if you were like you didn't mention like an
air traffic controller. But at the same time, maybe you know,
I don't think you're that's not on the list of
priorities for me if I'm not getting PA.
Speaker 3: And yeah, how's that conversation go with your friends and family,
your significant other whatever, Like, yeah, I know I'm not
employed right now, but let's go to Vegas and go
to the strip club?
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, can I borrow one hundred dollars? I spent
my last fifty at Crazy Horse three.
Speaker 2: Incredible, absolutely incredible.
Speaker 5: Vegas.
Speaker 2: Man, It's it's been over a years since I've been
to Vegas.
Speaker 3: I like Vegas, but I'm very much subscribed to the
theory time that you know, four days max and.
Speaker 2: Vegas you don't need any more than that, And that
might even be too much.
Speaker 5: I did four days in Vegas, and that was at
a young age, and I thought I was gonna die.
I had like a two week thing over. There's there's
no way I could survive longer in Vegas now.
Speaker 3: But with that said, like there's certain places that that's
a okay, Like I need a good weekend city, and
I need a good week long city, like you know,
going to the beach, going to Tampa, you know, uh.
Speaker 4: You know Naples.
Speaker 2: You know, those are good week trips.
Speaker 3: I need my weekend cities like Lake Tahoe, Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: You know, you gotta have a little bit of everything.
Speaker 5: That is true, that is true. Vegas is definitely a
weekend city for me going.
Speaker 3: Here for Yeah, I'm trying to think, what's what's probably
our closest weekend city here? Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it Nashville?
Speaker 3: Nashville the drinks and everything gotten high there. I think
that kind of turned into.
Speaker 2: A weekend city.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it could, it could have been different.
Speaker 2: It didn't have to be.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, I don't know many people
that want to spend time in Memphis, but there's good
food there in Bille Street. To me, it's still fun
Memphis to survive, right, Yeah, yes, that's that adds to
the fun.
Speaker 2: It I would not You couldn't pay me money to
go to a strip club in Memphis.
Speaker 5: Oh oh no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: That's asking for trouble.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Now, I'll stick to downtown Memphis around Beal Street.
If I'm gonna go. I'm not gonna go. Well, I
will say. Years ago, during twenty twenty, me and friend
of the show, Simon Dodtry did attempt to go to
a strip club because they were still open. That's when
bars were closing at like ten, and they wouldn't let
us in. All said, I'm not sure why, but that's
probably a good thing they didn't.
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