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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Fela Siko's I'm Dama Valley coming at you with another

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twenty twenty five twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: NBA season look ahead.

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Speaker 2: We are onto the Chicago Bulls, which means we get

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to speak with Jason pat He's a co host of

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the Cash Consideration podcast with Ricky O'Donnell. He's also an

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editor at Clutch Points. You can find him on the

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Socials Machine. He's at Bulls Underscore Jay on Twitter and

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X whatever who cares, and then at Bullsjay on a

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blue sky all spelled exactly as it sounds. He spells

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Jay out jay a why And I meant to say,

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I don't care what to call Twitter or actually should

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absolutely care about following Jason, So please go do that.

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Speaker 1: Jason.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact I have certain notes on

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how long I've been doing this with people, but I

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think that this is at least year four for you,

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maybe year five. So I appreciate you coming back so often.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good. Ready for media day to start, Ready

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for another exciting you could I guess you could call

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that Bowl season like we've been doing this for whatever

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it is, four or five years and we've basically had this,

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I mean literally the last three years we've had the

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same end result of a Bowl season. So maybe we'll

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get a little something different this year, but really not

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counting on it.

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Speaker 2: So ill defense like Demart Rosen and Zach Lavine are

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no longer on this team, so there is like there

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has been some change, yes, the way.

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Speaker 3: It looks much different now than it was I guess

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a couple of years ago. And still yet it was

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the same result last season, even after moving on from Tomorrow,

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moving on from Zach in the middle of last year,

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moving on from uh Alex Cruiso of course, and he

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won a championship. But we still got to call Busman yere.

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But is still here?

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Speaker 2: He's still us question.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he wants to. Yeah, I mean maybe

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he would sign an extension just with Ak's the only one

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who had givenim that money. But I'm pretty sure he

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doesn't want to be here. I think he like thinks

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he or he should thinks wants to be somewhere else.

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I think he thought he was probably be somewhere else

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at the line last year, the Bulls laid that groundwork allegedly,

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and then he's still here. So we are starting another

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Bulls media day. I believe that's next Monday for the Bulls,

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and Nikolovouchwich will still be here along with a lot

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of mostly the same team as last year. And yeah,

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we'll get into it.

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Speaker 2: So I was when I was going through my notes

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for this podcast, I allegedly, I don't know if I

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actually began with it, but this question was in there,

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and I'm assuming it's been in there every single time

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that you've been on here. Just after going through last

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season with them as well as this off season with them,

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what is this team's end game exactly?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to make the planes. I mean, it's

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literally what they've done, what they've been doing. Ultimately, Again,

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I've bitched about this on this pod, on my podcast

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Cash Considerations for a long time. We have not agreed

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with what this front office has done. I think urs

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Karnashovs and Markups they should have been fired a long

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time ago, but they're still here. They got extended, they're

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doing what they're doing, and they're clearly it seems like

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their plan is to try to be as competitive as

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possible and hopefully at some point they're actually good and

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whether that how they get there, whether that's like modest

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Bizels turns into a star player, Josh Giddy somehow turns

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into a legit star whatever it is, like they're trying

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to or they're getting they want to get to a

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point where they they're again stay competitive and become more

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attractive for probably like an actual star player. And like

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they get from like a point A where they're however,

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they've been at point A for however god knows long now,

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with the same the play and stuff, they get to

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a point where they can be again a playoff team.

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Maybe they win a series and then take that however

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they would take that next jump on contention, that seems

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to be the plan. I mean, and we'll talk about

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the Giddy extension and the whole deal with him and

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all that kind of stuff obviously coming up. But and

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again do I necessarily agree with it. No, Like would

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I love to see them play more for the draft

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and this especially this upcoming draft twenty twenty six with

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a Jent Deboce and Cam Boozer and Darren Peterson and

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all these studs at the top. Of course, I'm'm pretty

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sure we talked about it last year's podcast, Like what

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more aggressive to getting the Cooper Flags sweepstakes. Sweep stakes. Yes,

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that is not what this front office is about. They've

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clearly they prioritize again competing as much as they can.

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definition than many fans do. But again, I think that's

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what they're going to try to do again this year.

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And I mean they played better. They played better than

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a lot of people thought last year they to get

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thirty nine wins, They changed up their whole playing style,

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they got to thirty nine wins, but then ultimately again

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they got into the playing tournament and lost again to

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the Miami Heating in absolutely embarrassing fashion. At least they're well.

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Is that two straight years where they got embarrassed. I

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think it is because one of them was at least close.

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really bad from what I don't know. They all plund

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together at this point. But again, ultimately, and in this

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Eastern cont where everyone's dead, they have no multiple torn achilles,

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and who the heck knows what's going on, Like this

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front office is probably, oh, maybe we can make a

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playoff run for young guys, take a leap, and then

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we'll build from there. So again, do I necessarily think

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that's the right play. I'm very skeptical that it will

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work out how we'd like to see it In terms

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of getting back to championship contention in a few years.

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Who knows. But it's the path they're taken. We're gonna

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it kind of is what it is until this group

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is fired. And again they're not gonna be fired anytime

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soon because they just got extended. Uh, we're gonna have

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to live with them. See and hope and hope. Like

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I said, I'm not a Josh Giddy guy, but I

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hope Josh Giddy ends up out playing this contract and

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being really good because if he doesn't, that just is

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gonna doom the Bulls the mediocrity or sub mediocrity for

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years to come. So so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, you were right.

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Speaker 2: They got embarrassed by the heat in the second playing

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game before the.

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Speaker 3: Year, So they beat the Hawks. They smoked the Hawks

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and then got embarrassed by the heat and the second

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play and that's what it was two years ago.

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned the AKA and Billy Donovan extensions. A

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K shouldn't have gotten it. We don't need to get

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in it. He shouldn't have got they this front office

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did not deserve an extension. Do you think the pendulum

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is like swung too far like away from Billy Donovan.

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Speaker 1: He's earned the extension.

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer Billy Donovant.

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Billy Donovan.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you give him an So my whole thing

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with him is, I don't know that you can sit

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here and say, oh, he definitely like this is the

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guy you can I don't think you can say that,

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Speaker 1: If it's just you want the Bulls to.

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Speaker 2: Totally overhaul and veer away from this entire era, I

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totally get that. But I'm like kind of especially with

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the way they played offensively, like the style, Like, I'm

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kind of okay with Billy Donovan just being here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, firing Billy wouldn't have done anything. A lot of

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fans don't like Billy, Like again, in the last few years,

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when usually a guy like Billy's a great coach. He's

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a Hall of Famer. Obviously a lot of that was

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what he did him with Florida, but it was a

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solid coach. A lot of fans I think would not

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do not want him here anymore. And again the resume

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and you look at it and like him and Ak

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have been here for the like the second or third

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like longest tenured, like front top runt off as coach

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duo in the league. At this point when you look

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at the Bulls result, it's like, why the heck of

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these guys still here? And the Ak stuff. You don't

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need to get into it with Billy, like he's done

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a decent job. I think of what he's been given.

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thought they were gonna be a lot better when they

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had Damorro and Zach and Vouch and since they weren't,

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like he should have been fired then sure certainly, like

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you would get no argument for me if you said

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toltally like Billy Doham shouldn't fired a couple of years ago.

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Just the results of the name of the game in

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sports like this, and when you don't win usually get

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fired after a couple of years and Billy's kept the

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team mediocre for however long he's been here now. But

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in terms of last year, like, yeah, he got the

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team to over overachieve. I mean from the start of

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the year even before like Gideon and Kobe went on

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there at the end of year when they still had

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Zach around and and Booch was like playing some of

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the best ball of his career. They started the year

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like eighteen and twenty or something like that before they

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kind of fell apart, and then they started playing great

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at the end of the year and Mickey Mouse March

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and they did overhaul their whole style. They went from

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the kind of slow, more methodical pace with Damar kind

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of running the show there. Damar gets traded. Zach was

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still there, but I mean, Zach was playing great too

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before he got traded.

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Speaker 2: He was Do you think Billy Donovan want DeMar deroze

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and traded so that he could implement that stuff, because

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it felt like there was just as soon as Damar

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was gone, like he was able to implement that, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think Billy was. He was

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just kind of playing the what they had on the

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roster and bringing in Josh Giddy too, Like, definitely that

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style plays more to his strengths in terms of just

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pushing the pace and all that kind of stuff. So

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just kind of being adaptable to the styles of the

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players on the team. And I think Ak also, I'm

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sure for an office had handed in as well in

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terms of how they just wanted to change things up.

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And again I think he was probably a big part

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of as well. And yeah, again we saw saw Zach

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have a great season before he was traded. We saw

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Voo shooting the lights out, best shooting years career like

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by by a mile. Gidey and Kobe had great closes

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of the season. We saw a lot a lot of

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guys like had like career shooting seasons.

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Speaker 2: Zach Collins was like, well, he didn't have a career

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shooting season there, but he was good.

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Speaker 3: I mean that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: After the trades, Zach Collins he did like I mean

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for like a month there, like he was shooting like

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over sixty percent and Trade Jones was shooting like sixty

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percent of the yield. I was like, what is what

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is happening? You're like again, who knows how much of

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that was Like just Mickey Mouse March and the way

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the Bulls did play that style I do think probably

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during that portion of the season was taking teams by surprise.

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Those a lot of teams just got like, especially if

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you were dealing with older, more veteran teams, like you

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don't want to play this like young upstar team that

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just wants to like run all the time. In March,

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like that's just like all right, we're just gonna not

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do this. And like we saw the Bulls smoke some

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pretty good teams and they I think they they finished

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the year strong. I mean they beat the Lakers in

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LA butt like thirty or like something that like the

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best game of the year in LA. And they of

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course said the Giddy game too, where he hit the

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a half court shot and they beat them. And they

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want some other like kind of fun games too. So

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like again, how much that matters, I don't know. But

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he got them to buy in. He changed just changed

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the entire style of the team. They bought in, and

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they're gonna keep playing like that. They're gonna double down

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on playing fast and getting up threes. I mean, they

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went from like one of the lowest rated three the

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lowest like three point rates in the league to like

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one of the highest. They were, I think behind only Boston,

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or it was something like that. And again the pace

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was just so much higher than one of the highest

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in the league, if not the highest, I can't remember exactly.

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So he got him to do that. Billy is not

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the problem. Do I think Billy should have got an extension,

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I mean, probably not, but I know in the NBA,

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like once you started getting to the end of these

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guys contracts, it's either basically extend him or fire him.

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Loves him, AK loves him, and Billy always often takes

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a lot of bullets for AK and the media. So

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given that AK got extended, no surprise that Billy got extended.

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It doesn't really bother me. I'm not that surprised. Billy

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did a good job with the team last year, and

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I'm sure he'll do similar things this year.

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Speaker 2: Josh Giddy, I want to break some things down going

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layer by layer here. So let's start with everyone wants

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to talk about the shooting. Focus on the shooting first.

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How high he shot after the trade deadline last year?

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Or how accurate he was, and then also how much

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that matters when you go pack it.

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Speaker 1: I was watching some of those three point attempts and it's.

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Speaker 2: Just like we look at like six plus feet some

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of them you probably could have gone to sixteen plus

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feet with the closest defender. So how much do you

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buy into the shooting in the sense of this is

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someone who might force defenses to either keep someone on

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him or forced guys to actually close out on him

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moving forward?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he has, to his credit, he has

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improved his three point shot. I believe each season in

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the NBA, Like he when he came in with a thunder,

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I think he was sub thirty percent or right around

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thirty and it's steadily gotten up in last year, ended

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up with like thirty seven to thirty eight after. I mean,

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he was awful to start the year. He was terrible

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before the Zach Lavine trade, and then Zach traded and

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he just flipped a switch. Obviously the offense kind of

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got turned over to him. And then the forty four

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forty five percent whatever that was after the trade, after whatever,

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the All Star break. I mean, I'm not expecting him

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to shoot like that. You mentioned just like a lot

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of it is. The stands still wide open three point shots.

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He's gonna have to I think be a lot better

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for a lot longer for teams to start caring. We

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saw in the playing game the heat bam out of

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Bio guarding him a lot and just kind of leaving

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him alone. And while Giddy put up I think twenty

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like five or something like that points in that game,

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took him a lot of shots. The hesitation was there,

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So what wouldn't really matter. It's like teams still are not.

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I mean, I guess we'll see if the Bulls playing

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the games that really matters. But I think still if

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to start, the teams are still probably going to treat Giddy,

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probably with a little more respect, but ultimately probably not

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in the half court. Like I think they're gonna still

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need to see him just a lot lot higher volume

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in terms of the three point shooting before they start

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just kind of being like, all right, we're actually gonna

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guard you out there, we said we We kind of

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see it all the time. There's guys who are kind

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of like fake three point shooters in the regular season

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and teams just say off them and then they do

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that in the playoffs too, and then they kind of

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stink it up and there's another guy the Bulls just

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traded for who's kind of another guy like that as

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your corouh. And we're gonna have to just see more

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out of them in the regular season for a much

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larger sample size before, Like Josh Giddy, like good three

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point shooter is really a thing? Could he do it? Sure? Absolutely, Again,

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he's gotten better every year, so like that's to his credit,

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that's something that's not nothing. So he's not like a

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total dud from three now. But I think again, we're

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gonna have to see a lot more of that for

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teams to actually like have scout that actually be closing

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out to the point where he can then attack closeouts

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and really really make a difference, especially in the half court. Again,

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Giddy's a really good transition player with the half court

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offenses we saw in that play in game. Again, that's

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kind of where it all fall apart. The Heat scouted it.

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They had the Bulls transition game snuffed out. They put

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Bam on Giddy the Bulls half court and Davion Mitchell

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and Kobe Bulls half court offense was toast and they

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had absolutely no counters to it. Giddy developing that three

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point shot even further would go a long way towards

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helping get more counters to it. And of course other

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guy's developing too.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that he did that I don't think

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received enough attention. Still not a good finisher at the rim,

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I would say, but he over half his shots after

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the trade deadline came at the rim. What specifically went

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into that was it? I know he played a lot

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with Kobe White and Kevin Herder and Vouch and so

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that floor is just so open at that point or

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is there just something else that was it? A sort

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of just a like he actually made a note to know,

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I'm not gonna bail out the defense by just like

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doing things from float to range as often.

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Speaker 3: And his free throw rate. He took a big junt too,

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like just getting fouled using them. Because he's a big guy,

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Like he's so awkward to watch and he's like slow.

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He just looks like he shouldn't be good at basketball

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at all. But like he's bit he is, what six seven,

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six eight, Like he's pretty strong too, So he finally

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started like using that strength to his advantage. And again

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he's not like the fastest guy off the dribble and

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all that. But again he's so big as like a

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point guard. Use that size of your advantage, get downhill

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a little bit and use the shoulder, use your strength,

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your upper by chink to draw files. He did that.

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Like you said, I don't think the finishing is ever

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going to be like elite. Elite was just not that athletic.

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He's like not above the rim guy.

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Speaker 2: I also think he's my my suspicions, he's determined to

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like not be good at the rim. Just you look

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at some of the takeoff points in the angles. There

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was even just a more than a few of just

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like whiffs like a rout like I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know if he thought someone was behind him.

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Speaker 3: I mean sometimes yeah, and he gets I mean he

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gets stuffed. Still a decent amount. He's a blow the

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room player. There's like some awkward like hurky jerkiness to it.

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But again the free throw rate, we'll see if that

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can stick around. Like you said, just getting taking more

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shots at the rim as opposed to those ugly little

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floater mid range shots like those are just not good.

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Can he make them sometimes? Yes? Like you don't want

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a heavy diet of those shots. They're not efficient, they're

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they're ugly. It's garbage. That's it's not going to get

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you anywhere.

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Speaker 2: So like five guys, you're like Yokic and whoever with

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the floaters that you're okay with living from them.

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Speaker 3: You do not watch Josh Can taking a huge amount

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of those shots. So yeah, like that there was some

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improvement there. And like I said, getting to the rim,

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getting to the line, that's another thing in addition to

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three points shooting, for sure is something to keep an

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eye on it to help if he's gonna take another

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next step and be like an actual like high level

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point guard, like an All Star type guy, uh who

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can leave a high level offense and especially when it

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matters in the half court when the games slowed down.

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That's gonna be another big factor for him.

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Speaker 2: So what is like that just defining skill? Then that

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like Josh, If Josh Giddy becomes a star, or let's

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say he makes an All Star game, what's the one

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thing that you know for sure has happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, besides that one, I do think it's just the

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off the dribble shooting. I mean, you look at the NBA,

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these days. I mean the top offensive engine guys like

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you gotta be able to make shots off the dribble,

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jumpers off the dribble, I mean just I mean look,

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I mean obviously Steph Dame, Shay Tyres, Halliburton, all these guys,

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I mean, all these guys, top level guys. They're drilling

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threes off the dribble, or they're getting the mid range spots,

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hitting the mid range shots. Can Josh you to do that?

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We talked about how Josh Getty's three point ing GT

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a lot better, but it was wide open no one

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in there. Can Josh Kitty actually take guys off the dribble,

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gut separation on jumpers and knock those down like that's

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I feel like such a huge part of the high light.

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I mean, Luca obviously another guy to James Hardy, all

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these guys like these guys can just shake and bake

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guys off the dribble and they can nail the jumpers

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in addition to getting to the rims. Like, can Josh

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Gitty turn into a dangerous off the dribble jump shooter?

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Very skeptical that he can do that, just based on

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again his shooting motion, just like oh, he's just not

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doesn't have that much shake. Can he like get that

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release a lot faster to get those shots off? Again,

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he's big, so we can shoot over guys, But very

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skeptical about that. But again I'm not gonna totally count

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it out. He has gotten a lot better just in

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general with the jumper. Can that be that next step

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that he takes and become a really dangerous move in

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the half court when games slowed out and we see

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those guys just give him the ball and they get

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out the way and they're able to make stuff happen.

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We can't. We haven't really seen that stuff out of

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Josh Kitty yet. So that's gonna be a big thing

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I think for him if he never does it, like

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he'll see he's still again pretty good player. Like I

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think he's definitely better than I thought. I mean he was.

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He really was so bad to start last year, Like

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I was ready to be done, like he was gonna

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be he was probably gonna play on the qual thing

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offer the way he was playing this first two months,

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and then like he was so much better. It was

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like such a crazy just like swing and it's like

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who is the real Josh Ginty. He's had these stretches

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before in his career where he has had these like

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one or two months where he's like, oh my god,

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like this guy's awesome. Can he actually do that for

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a full season and and live up to this this

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contract that he just signed, It's gonna be a big

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question mark.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that, I don't think I've ever heard

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or used the phrase middle ground as often as I have.

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I'll talk except for talking about this Josh Kinny contract. Ultimately,

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when you factor in what he is now, what you

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think he might be able to become, the prospect of

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him not reaching it, just the risk per war profile here,

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How do you feel about the four year, one hundred

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million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you talk, you talk about the middle ground,

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and it literally does seem to be the middle ground

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between the bulls. Alleged starting offer was basically like four

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eighty whatever like twenty million year, and he wanted four

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to one twenty thirty million year, and they end up

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at twenty five million after all this time, they end

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up in the middle. And you could say, all right,

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that's like a compromise, Like that's exactly how they should work.

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Like this, they want this thing he wants. This will

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be in the middle and we're all good. And ultimately,

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like I feel like they probably could have squeezed maybe

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a little more. But if you look around the league,

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like and there, and there was an article in the

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Athletic uh, like the survey of the RFA contracts, and

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I think like the Giddy one ended up like the

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consensus was like four ninety year. It was like twenty

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two twenty three million a year, and like the highest

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was like twenty five million years. So like again maybe

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a little on the higher end. I think I had said, like, oh,

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my best offer would be four ninety I thought maybe

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he would sign like a three year deal that maybe

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was like three seventy five to get like a little

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higher av the Bulls game in that fourth year with

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the twenty five million year, Do I love it? No. Ultimately,

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if he does can play like he did the last

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couple of months moving forward, it should be fine. With

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the cap rising and all that stuff. Like I think

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in terms of percentage of the happen, it's gonna be

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around like fourteen or fifteen percent over the course of

478
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the deal, So like that's not that bad. My thing

479
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,799
with Giddy has always just been again, could he outplay

480
00:20:09,839 --> 00:20:12,039
this and could he prove himself to be like again

481
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,079
an actual like foundational cornerstone of this team. Sure. The

482
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,519
thing that he's got to prove, especially to me, is

483
00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:20,319
like is it worth building a team round? Because right

484
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,079
on the balls are like building their roster, like as

485
00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:25,480
with Josh Giddy, as like their focal point. Your best

486
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,759
player is Josh Gitty. You're really not going anywhere. You're

487
00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:30,079
not gonna be any good the way things stand right now,

488
00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:31,680
and like if you if your whole thing is all right,

489
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,240
like we're gonna again, Josh is our guy, like moving

490
00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:39,160
forward here, get it? Just I keep coming back to

491
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,240
the thunder World. Kiddy was a high pick and like

492
00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:43,160
he started pretty good for his career with the Thunder,

493
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,119
Like he had some moments, but then once everything all

494
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,799
these other guys around him got a lot better, he

495
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,200
kind of faded back because he just like struggled to

496
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,880
fit in with better players around him. And like he

497
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,559
like needs, I mean, he needs like a specific team

498
00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,640
I think right now to succeed. So like for right

499
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,200
now that's gonna be it's his team. Like the way

500
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,279
they're playing, the way they're start the roster like they

501
00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:06,119
don't really have any other guys who you're like, Okay,

502
00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:08,759
this guy is like the guy I guess you could

503
00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:11,279
say Kobe White, but even him, like he's not that

504
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,440
much better. They're probably in like a pretty similar tiers,

505
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,920
like can you build a team around Josh Getty a

506
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,119
good team? We'll see about that. Pretty skeptical, But again

507
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,160
I think for when I'm going back earlier to me

508
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,920
talking about just like with where the Bulls are like

509
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,759
trying to build, it does feel like, all right, Getty's

510
00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:29,079
their guy here for a few years. They want to

511
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,319
use Josh Getty to kind of build this kind of

512
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,119
build this thing here with what they got right now

513
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,839
to a point where they're a more respectable team, a

514
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,799
playoff team that can maybe make a little noise and

515
00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:41,519
then may I mean maybe and then from there do

516
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,559
something to try to get to the next level of

517
00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:46,000
contention and maybe Josh Gutty is not that guy to

518
00:21:46,039 --> 00:21:47,839
be to take you to the next level. But whether

519
00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:50,519
that's again modest turning into a star, whether that's using

520
00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:53,640
using Giddy to trade for like a disgruntled star something

521
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,799
like that, or they draft somebody they get lucky there

522
00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:58,279
and then it comes Can Giddy play with those guys

523
00:21:58,319 --> 00:21:59,799
and he can he still be as effective as again

524
00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,160
to the Thunder thing as Shay As, like chet as

525
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,559
jadub All took to the next level. Giddy took a

526
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,319
step back. He was not effective. He was going to

527
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,440
come off the bench for them. So again, does he

528
00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:15,160
have to be like the centerpiece like moving forward? Can

529
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,640
he play with other guys as as they bring in

530
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,440
more talent or as other guys on the roster develop

531
00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:23,680
around him. How is that all gonna work? I have Again,

532
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,200
I'm very skeptical. I was not a fan of the

533
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,400
trade when it happened for Cruise, and so very funny

534
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,359
that Cruso immediately became like the third best player in

535
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,119
the playoffs with the Thunder on a championship Thunder team,

536
00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:38,519
while while Giddy fell out of their playoff rotation a

537
00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:42,119
couple of years ago. Obviously, play they play very different roles.

538
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,400
So we'll see if Giddy can do that overall. When

539
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,799
you look at the contract right now, like I know,

540
00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:48,640
some people hate it. I think Ricky called it like

541
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,079
immediately untradeable when we talked about it after it A

542
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,079
sign twenty five million a year like, I don't love it.

543
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,519
I basically keep calling it fine with where they were

544
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,519
at again, the compromise aspect of it, could they have

545
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,519
stretched or squeez him little more? Probably the Bulls they

546
00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:05,880
like Josh Gitty. They made the Cruiser trade for Josh Gitty.

547
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,920
They weren't gonna let Josh Gitty go. There were reports

548
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,960
about maybe some teams of interest. The Bulls had no

549
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:12,119
interest in signing trading. They were gonna bring him back,

550
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,319
so they guess negotiated kind of good faith here to

551
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,440
maybe give him a little extra then I would have liked.

552
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,519
He could still play play to that contract, maybe even

553
00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:24,880
plays above it. If he keeps getting better, he has

554
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,119
gotten better. I will absolutely admit that I was wrong

555
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:27,960
that I thought he was better.

556
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: He was.

557
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 3: He turned out better last year than I thought he

558
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,680
would be. Hopefully he just keeps getting better from there.

559
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:37,000
So that's I'm right now as a Bulls fan, I'm

560
00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:39,599
were putting so much on Josh Gitty, which makes me

561
00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:43,519
feel absolutely terrible. But maybe he will actually surprise me

562
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:45,759
and prove me wrong and shut me up and turn

563
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,920
into a really good player again. He's already pretty good,

564
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,119
but like really really good to word, it actually matters. Hopefully,

565
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,279
I hope proved me wrong. Josh Kitty, please because I

566
00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:57,799
don't want another five to ten years of mediocre and

567
00:23:57,839 --> 00:23:59,160
garbage bulls basketball.

568
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,519
Speaker 2: I think the contract is the thirty five to thirty

569
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,480
nine win of contracts. I think that's just the best

570
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,160
way to look at it. Uh, how did you feel

571
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,519
about the Isaaca Corro for or the Lonzo Ball for

572
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,480
Isaaca Coro trade? And how do you think that a

573
00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:13,640
Chorro fits in here?

574
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,559
Speaker 3: So I kind of reference to Koro for another is

575
00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:19,440
like fake shooter who I think it's three point percent.

576
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,799
Speaker 1: The regular season from the corners.

577
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: He's gonna he's gonna make right exactly.

578
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: And then in the playoffs another guy who slipped in

579
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,839
the rotation because he let's got playoffs.

580
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: Do we really need to be concerned?

581
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: Like?

582
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:29,799
Speaker 1: Is that?

583
00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:33,319
Speaker 3: No? I mean, so the a Coro trade, I mean

584
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,559
kind of fit like almost not. I mean, Giddy is

585
00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:39,000
better than Isaaca Corrol. I've seen much different players, but

586
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:40,880
like it kind of fit a similar mold there where

587
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,759
they took a guy, an established player. Cruso is better

588
00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:46,240
than Lonzo at this point. Is Lonzo you can't rely

589
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:49,000
on him being available. Lonzo at his best was obviously

590
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,920
very good, but just another like, all right, we got

591
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,599
this guy twenty million dollar contract, can't really rely on him,

592
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,400
and they target another young player with experience that was

593
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,200
kind of a big the Aks and Mark Eversley. I've

594
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,200
talked about the young players of the experience. So they're

595
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,960
once again go and find like another elite teams like

596
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,839
the stressed asset their young guy who's kind of fallen

597
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,319
out of favor with them, and they think that they

598
00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:16,799
can kind of rehabilitate isaacakor he's got a cheap oat country.

599
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,319
Was it like eleven million a year or twelve million

600
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,160
for like another year or two something like that, So

601
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,480
like it's whatever there. I mean, he's good defensive player.

602
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,920
The Bulls need wing defenders, so like a Coorro should

603
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,119
help there. Again in the regular season, he can hit

604
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,640
open three pointers and in their style like in transition

605
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,279
and getting out in transition and shooting threes like from

606
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:39,359
the corner. A Coorro should theoretically be like a totally

607
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,119
fine player there and could probably help them, and they'll

608
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,559
probably be more available than Lonzo ball is with the Cavs,

609
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:47,400
and obviously Lonzo Ball barely. I mean, the fact that a

610
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,720
Lonzo Ball gave anything last year was a pleasant surprise.

611
00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:52,839
And then he had another weird injury, like totally separate

612
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:55,279
from the weird knee injury that he had, He had

613
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,039
just had another weird thing with his thing. It was

614
00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:00,319
his wrist that kept him out for a while. So like, yeah,

615
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:01,920
you can't real the line lines at this point as

616
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,079
good as he is when he is healthy. So Korras

617
00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:06,759
is the guy who who'll probably help you help the

618
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:09,000
Bulls win some regular season games, you know, in the

619
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,759
playoffs with the Caves. He's not very good and a

620
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:14,640
lot I know the Cavs fans were done with him.

621
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:16,759
I mean, you can get almost kind of sim similar

622
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:18,880
to Actually also Patrick Williams. I guess Korro was better

623
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,240
than Patrick Willis. Patrick Williams had was maybe one of

624
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:24,319
the worst NBA players in the in the league last year.

625
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,119
But again they were both drafted what a coros what

626
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,440
sixth fifth whatever he was picked? Is that the same

627
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:32,720
draft to twenty twenty? Right? Uh?

628
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,519
Speaker 2: No, I think Patrick Lellners has picked a year before Okoro.

629
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: Either way, again, just like six similar with a six seven,

630
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,119
six eight wing hopefully like a three and D guy.

631
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,839
And again they never really kind of developed like their

632
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,720
teams hoped. Uh So now the Bulls have both Pat

633
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:51,599
will and as a Corro on the team. But uh

634
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:53,319
and I know we'll talk about this later in terms

635
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,079
of like the starting lineup. Like I when me and

636
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,720
Ricky talked about the starting lineup stuff, and like I

637
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,079
totally forgot ask Korra was a team and I was like, oh, like,

638
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:03,440
I actually think he might start this year just because

639
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,599
like the defensive thing, like I think they think that

640
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,079
they need wing defense. I mean you have Josh Kiddy

641
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,240
and Kobe White starting in the backcourt, Like he needs

642
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,440
someone on the wing or who can defend guards or

643
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:20,440
wings when you have so like that size a good Korro.

644
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,799
So like again another the trade. Again, fine, he should

645
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,519
help them in the regular season. It's just the similar

646
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,839
it's very similar vein to the Cruiser things where it's like,

647
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,599
all right, we have this pretty good guard wing we

648
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:36,440
and we're gonna target instead of targeting draft picks or

649
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:41,559
anything like that, we want this young player with experience

650
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,880
who an elite team Calves Thunder didn't want anymore. And

651
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,440
there was also playing also part of this was there

652
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,200
was reporting last year that Lonzo they could have traded

653
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,160
him like at the deadline. I think all the I

654
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,720
don't know if it was confirmed for sure that it

655
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:57,960
was the Grizzlies, but I know that that was the

656
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:00,000
chatter was like the Grizzlies were offering like their first

657
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,359
pick for Lonzo Ball and that would have ended up

658
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,920
I think in like the late teams or something like that.

659
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,079
They didn't want it because they don't really know. The

660
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:10,759
Bolls don't seem to value draft picks. They instead they

661
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,519
target the young player with experience, just like the cruiser thing.

662
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,160
Could they have made a cruise or trade in the

663
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,039
last couple of years and they got multiple first round picks.

664
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:20,720
It does seem like that's the case. No, they went

665
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:23,039
out and they targeted Josh Kitty and did not ask

666
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,720
for any other draft picks from Sam Presty's giant war

667
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,400
chest of draft picks because they loved their young players

668
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,640
with experience. So well, Isaaca cour end up being pretty good.

669
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,920
I mean, I think I'll be again totally fine on

670
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,839
this team. Will he actually may be a difference maker?

671
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,279
Pretty skeptical about that given just the time he spent

672
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,480
in the league. But he's still pretty young. I think,

673
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:48,000
what twenty three, twenty four, whatever he is, so it

674
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:48,759
pyb be fine.

675
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,119
Speaker 2: Kobe White another player who finished the season on a heater,

676
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,319
and I think in general the biggest improvement I noticed

677
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,720
from him anyway was just like okay, like the shooting

678
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:00,680
foals he was drilling, like that went way up.

679
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:02,359
Speaker 1: What did you make of his season?

680
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: And just kind of like what your expectations now are

681
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,720
for him for his like player ceiling.

682
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: Kobe has just had a crazy career man like came

683
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,599
into the league that rookie year like and he had

684
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,680
some of those heater games just threes, and for a

685
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,359
while he was just super inconsistent but microwave three point shooter,

686
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,039
and like I mean even going back to like his

687
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,279
third or fourth year, like I thought he would be

688
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:24,359
traded at some point. I can't remember what I think

689
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:26,200
the year they made the playoffs and they lost to

690
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,839
the Bucks in the first round. I feel like by

691
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,240
that that year, like he was not good, mortal line, unplayable,

692
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:36,519
and then even like was it two years ago, started

693
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:38,480
the year horribly and then like all of a sudden,

694
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,559
it was like boom, like he just went off and

695
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,440
I think I can't remember Zach got hurt that year.

696
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,480
I think that he Zach was hurt a couple years

697
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,880
we had the neat thing. I feel like it's both

698
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,880
times that it's has coincided with Zack being out of

699
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,160
being out of the lineup. Just like Josh Giddy Perry,

700
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,079
Zach would be just bringing all these guys down.

701
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,839
Speaker 1: It's like the theory. But Kobe White.

702
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,759
Speaker 3: And then this last and his last year took it

703
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,400
even to the next level. I mean, I don't have

704
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,200
the stats in fronting them, and he was putting up

705
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,039
just again those like last two months of the year's

706
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,400
ridiculous numbers. He said getting the line. His handle really

707
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,160
has tightened up a lot, So that's just got He's

708
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,680
gotten really crafty and creative getting to the basket of course,

709
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,200
shooting three pointers, scoring from kind of just all over

710
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,039
the place. And he was awesome again, really fun to watch,

711
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:29,440
really fun player. But then again I mentioned earlier the

712
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,440
play in game he stuck davey On Mitchell at him,

713
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,359
and Davion Mitchell had him an absolute hell in that game,

714
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,960
just absolutely nothing he had. Kobe had nothing for him,

715
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,240
and Kobe has been pretty rough in these playing games.

716
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,559
I think the Hawks when he was awesome, he had

717
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:45,240
like that what I think he had like forty points.

718
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,839
But then again, these these heat games and against a

719
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,400
good defensive team, against Eric Spolscher, like he's just had

720
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,000
no answer. So again, like another question, like similar to Giddy,

721
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:57,119
Like can this guy when it really the chips are

722
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,880
really down, can he like be a really good player

723
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,279
and half court settings. Again, he's a really good fit

724
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,759
for how they want to play right now. Can he

725
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,680
and Josh Giddy be like a back court of the future. Again,

726
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,279
there are major questions on the defensive end about that

727
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:14,599
as well, big time. As I kind of just mentioned

728
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:18,119
a few minutes ago with the Akorro stuff, his contract

729
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:21,000
situation is gonna be fascinating. Last year I was banging

730
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,079
the drum for him to get traded before the deadline

731
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:26,359
when he was still kind of just like putterning around

732
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:29,200
for the first half of the season. Bulls have did

733
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,440
not want to trade him. There were like, there weren't

734
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,920
anything really like that many concrete reports. I think there

735
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,319
was a lot of like, oh, like there's interest in

736
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:37,160
Kobe Web but the Bulls don't really seem to have

737
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,640
much interest in training anymore, just that their asking price

738
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,039
is just way too high. I cannot remember if there

739
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:44,480
were specific offers reported.

740
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a good point.

741
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I don't remember hearing about like specific tea.

742
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:49,839
I remember everyone trying to trade him to the Magic.

743
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was trying to push the Magic

744
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:55,359
and the Thunder like all season. I was the Thunder

745
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,359
did not need him, but I thought the Thunder could

746
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,319
use another score. The Magic were so obvious. I mean,

747
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,680
just the Magic need more offense, They needed more shooting. Uh,

748
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,319
and they had draft picks they could have traded as well.

749
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,799
That would have made some sense. Obviously did not happen.

750
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,680
So like now Kobe's gonna be no extension this summer

751
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,599
because just the CBA rules. I think it's like one

752
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,039
hundred and forty percent or whatever that percentage that of

753
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:20,920
like his current contract was. He's on such a cheap

754
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,799
o contract three years, thirty six million or whatever it is.

755
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:25,920
The extension he can sign him was I think for

756
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,519
eighty four ninety, which he was just not gonna agree to.

757
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,480
Like he right thinks you can have a big season

758
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,240
and get more than Josh Giddy. I mean there's already

759
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,039
the rumors out there that Kobe's gonna be looking for

760
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,640
that thirty thirty five million, But it is fascinating, like,

761
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,640
is Kobe White gonna get that? I when you look

762
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,519
at something like the young the smallish like guards are

763
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,319
on the league kind of in his mold, Like, I mean,

764
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,759
we just Kobe's definitely better, a better player than Cam

765
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:50,880
Thomas I think, but Camp Thomas just sound. The qualifying

766
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,400
offer for an RFA is different than the UFA. But like, yeah,

767
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,759
and Cam Thomas was looking for thirty million. I mean,

768
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,839
Giddy was looking for thirty million and he got twenty five. Like,

769
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,480
maybe Kobe will come down to something like that, but

770
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,920
I guess it could depend on the year he has.

771
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,599
Like if Kobe comes out and plays like he did

772
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:08,279
for the last two months, for like a full season,

773
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:09,960
or like for most of the year, I mean, maybe

774
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,079
he will get thirty million. And if he does do that,

775
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,519
the Bulls will probably be better than I thought, because again,

776
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:16,880
his numbers were ridiculous for those last couple of months.

777
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,680
I mean he comes out to averages twenty five plus

778
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,480
per game on ridiculous efficiency. I mean that's an A

779
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:25,839
level player. Yeah, yeah, that's an All Star player, and

780
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,240
that's a guy who's gonna get thirty plus million a year,

781
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,319
And that's fine. But I guess that's fine. I guess what.

782
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,880
I guess we'll see. But it's it's it's been a

783
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,400
talking point for a while. It's like, what are they

784
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,480
gonna do with Kobe? Should they move forward with Kobe

785
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,480
and Giddy? Should they have looked to trade Kobe earlier?

786
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: Do you think they view Giddy as more of the

787
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,480
tent pole for the future than Kobe.

788
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,079
Speaker 3: I would think so, just because he's just like more

789
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:50,759
of like the point guard, and I think they think

790
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:52,599
they can like build a team around him with Kobe

791
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,799
is a getting Kobe is just like the I don't

792
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,519
want to call him as a microwave score now because he

793
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,599
is better than that. But again, it's hard to see

794
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:01,559
like a team building a team. I mean, I guess

795
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:03,559
it's hard to see building a team around either of them,

796
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:05,599
but like Kobe being like the high end, like an

797
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,359
engine of an offense. Also, I guess I just have

798
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,199
question marks by both of them. But I don't know.

799
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,880
It's so hard to say they're both good players, but

800
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,679
they're clearly not great players. Again, I feel like they

801
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,760
are on a pretty similar tiers. Giddy is just a

802
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,480
bit more unique in that he's a six a point guard. Again,

803
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:25,039
the game that he had that he brings to the

804
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:28,199
table is just I mean, his passing is elite. I

805
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,079
will absolutely give him that. His passing is incredible. And

806
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,360
Kobe is Kobe is like good at a lot of things,

807
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,119
but just I wouldn't say he's like great at anything. Still,

808
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,960
like he's he's always been a good shooter, but I

809
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,639
feel like he's his numbers have never been as good

810
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,880
as I thought they would considering. I think a lot

811
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,840
of times when Kobe shoots threes, it's like like this

812
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,320
guy's never missing and he still goes through stretches where

813
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,239
he misses a lot of shots since he's never been

814
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,639
like a forty plus percent three point shooter. Again, he's

815
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,679
he's tight in his handle up. He's gotten better at passing,

816
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,400
but he's not an elite passer. He's gotten better at

817
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,960
getting to the line, but he's not like an elite

818
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000
follow uards. Kobe does like a lot of good things,

819
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,280
really well, he's not like elite at any one thing.

820
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,639
And that's Giddy is an elite passer and then Giddy

821
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:08,760
actually did develop that the shooting more like he could

822
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,079
has I guess the ceiling of some more foundational piece.

823
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:14,800
But right now they're just both. They're both pretty good.

824
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,119
Can they get better and help the Bulls, like again,

825
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:19,920
get to that next step? That is kind of what

826
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:20,840
everyone is wondering.

827
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:23,679
Speaker 2: The other one of those things they think this offseason,

828
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,880
the Trey Jones three year, twenty four million dollars deal,

829
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,760
final year. I think he's a team option, right, just

830
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,199
a really good contract.

831
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,519
Speaker 3: Team option instead of a player option.

832
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: He shot the literal hell out of the ball when

833
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,159
he was like from mid range was insane. It's think

834
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,960
he's rim percentage was insane too when he got to Chicago.

835
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: And the entire thing, like even like the volume from

836
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,519
three wasn't high, but like he was I think, like

837
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:45,880
fifty five or six percent from three, and like he

838
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,760
was hitting clutch threes too, like the Bulls did Mickey

839
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,400
Mouse March. I was tracking it like the entire time.

840
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,920
It's like the whole team was shooting a ridiculous number

841
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,880
from three, and especially like in the clutch it was

842
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,840
literally like almost everybody in the roster and it was

843
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,880
like It's like, how the how the Bulls winning all

844
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,039
these games? It's like, well, they're making literally every three

845
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,400
they take in the fourth quarter. And Trey Jones is

846
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,280
one of those guys and he was just playing the

847
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,159
lights out until he had an injury at the end

848
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:09,159
of the season a bit early.

849
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: So but yeah, crazy, do you look at you keep

850
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,280
him on that deal? So this isn't actually like a criticism,

851
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,239
but like him being on this team. And then you

852
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,400
have Kobe White and Josh Giddy. I know he's big,

853
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,679
but he's also a point guard. Does this spell We're

854
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:26,320
gonna see a lot more three guard setups?

855
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,159
Speaker 1: Does this spell doom for Io? Dessume move? Is he

856
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:29,840
gonna get moved?

857
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: Like?

858
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,599
Speaker 2: What is just the read on what how they're trying

859
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:34,639
to flesh out the back court part of their rotation?

860
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the roster is goofy as hell with

861
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,480
all the guards they have. They still you mentioned Io.

862
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:42,000
They have Trey Jones, they have Giddy, they have Kobe,

863
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,480
they have Kevin Herder. Billy loves three guard lineups. He'll

864
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,320
play four guard lineups for the love guy. He will.

865
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,920
He will throw a bunch of guards out there. And

866
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,679
the way they play like they want to have a

867
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,159
bunch of ball handlers. They want to have a bunch

868
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:53,679
of guys who've been shooting on the court. So, like

869
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,000
i there was talk again, we talked about Kobe trade stuff.

870
00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:59,960
There was talking about Iow getting traded, and like, Iowa

871
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,679
has absolutely has some value. I know he had. He's

872
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,840
had injury problems too, and he kind of took a

873
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,239
step back the session. He was hurt for the last

874
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,880
couple of months of the season, but he'll be but

875
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,880
he's back, and he's also be an expiring contract. I

876
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,719
thought Io would get traded this offseason.

877
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,159
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I'm just like, I know, he

878
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:21,440
did some like different things offensively, and they've thrown him

879
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,719
more like sometimes they've thrown them more ball screens. He's

880
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,000
made some better decisions out of him. But I justly

881
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,760
like he would help so many teams because of his defense.

882
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,960
I've been trying to figure out how to get him

883
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,000
to Denver for two years.

884
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:33,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, hell good. The Rockets can go trade for

885
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:34,719
him with Fred Van Vliet.

886
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: Can they even make a trade because so many of

887
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,920
their guys are just untradable, like they're not really tough.

888
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,119
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, I was looking. I was looking at it,

889
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,119
like I know, they're like right up against the first apron,

890
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,199
so they don't have much wiggle room there. Like I

891
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,000
don't know if they could even make like anything work

892
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:51,679
there with Io or or like Kobe if they wanted

893
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,079
to try something like that, but the balls aren't trading Kobe.

894
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:56,960
But uh, I mean that would be if they could

895
00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:00,880
do it. Like again, can't really replaced Fred and I

896
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,880
are much different players, but like if they could use

897
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,559
like a point guard to help them at least a

898
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,400
little bit here, like I could be an interesting option there.

899
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,880
But uh yeah, so like I would have thought that.

900
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,639
I just they have so many guards and like how

901
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,400
they divvy up those minutes is gonna be interesting to see.

902
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,239
But Billy absolutely loves playing regard lo if you look

903
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,480
at the rest of the team that they don't really

904
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,679
have playable that many playable wings, Like they have a

905
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:24,679
bunch of like young guys who aren't really any good yet,

906
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,159
and then they have Modess and they have Pat's still

907
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,079
there again, and they're still like Julian phillips Dale and

908
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:33,239
Terry and Noah Sang the rookie you probably will not

909
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,760
play very much. And they have a korro.

910
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:37,679
Speaker 4: And they don't have any big I mean, the roster

911
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,639
is just so's just so good that they really they

912
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,119
have so many guys, Like we joked about the AK

913
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,280
thing that was like you need like nine or ten

914
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,280
really good players, like the Bulls legitimately have like a

915
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,400
deep team of like pretty good players.

916
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: Like they don't really have like any like that many

917
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,199
like legit bums like Patrick Wims was off, Flasher and

918
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,239
Dale and Terry's bad, but like most of their guys

919
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,320
like are pretty or like playable guys. They don't like

920
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,239
once you get like deep into their bench, like they're

921
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,559
still okay. I think they sell Javon Carter on the

922
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:08,760
roster too, like back so so so it's really silly

923
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,079
this this the roster is kind of goofy. But again

924
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,519
they are pretty deep with just playable NBA guys. So

925
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:17,480
how like Billy Divisep, the minutes will be We'll be

926
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,400
interesting to see.

927
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,159
Speaker 2: So what were your rookie year impressions of modest Buzzellis

928
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,440
who I think it's just I don't know where to

929
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,159
land on the stardom stuff. I'm very interesty what you

930
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:29,599
think about him on offense, But this guy can defend

931
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,400
man and just like the help side shot blocking or

932
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,079
just rim protection is just like he's like a wing

933
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:36,159
big It's insane.

934
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think is pretty dope. I'm pretty he said

935
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,119
the star stuff. I don't want to say like he's

936
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:42,960
gonna become a star. There's so much to work on

937
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:46,920
still in terms of strength and the ball handling again,

938
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,000
shooting off the dribble, that kind of thing. But like

939
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,320
he showed his mindset. Love it. I mean, the guy's

940
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,960
got no fear. He's got so much swagger. You mentioned

941
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,239
the defensive stuff, some of the insects, the block shots.

942
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,239
I mean, I know he I can't remember like if

943
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,719
there was like records City said, But I mean if

944
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,119
you just look at something like the rates of like

945
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:08,159
the like block rates are like pretty pretty sick, that

946
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,480
kind of stuff is awesome. Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna be.

947
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:13,400
I think there's a lot of Modus's shoulder. I mean

948
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,920
when we talk about foundational parts pieces and we talk

949
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,519
about Kobe and Gatey, it's like whatever, It's like, again,

950
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,000
they're pretty good players, but again, are they gonna be

951
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,719
star like legit stars? This morning? I don't know modis

952
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,440
I think has the tools to do it, and there's

953
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,800
gonna be a need to be a lot of skill

954
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,599
development there. But when you look at a guy like that,

955
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,920
who's six whatever ten six on six ten, who will

956
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,239
dunk on anybody, whose three point shot was much better

957
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,000
than I thought it was going be last year, like

958
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,480
he was, he was really he was really rough with

959
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,639
g league ignite and then like he was pretty rough

960
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:47,920
to start the year, but as the year went on,

961
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,079
like he got a lot better, a lot more confidence

962
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:54,760
shooting threes again, like he's willing to attack closeouts just

963
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:59,079
letlessly and just again dunk on people. Uh So, Modis

964
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,239
is really fun and I love just what his energy,

965
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,320
swagger that he brings to the table, to personality. It

966
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,679
seems like a great teammate too. So I think he's

967
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,679
a guy that bolts. Fans should really be excited about

968
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,039
moving forward again. I know there's a lot of I've

969
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,239
been dooming gloom for so long with the Bulls, and

970
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,480
is not its gonna be the savior. I'm not gonna

971
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,159
come out and say that, but I think at the

972
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,800
very least, I think he's gonna be a really fun

973
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,159
player to watch, hopefully for a long time unless he's

974
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,800
traded for like an actual legit superstar player. But he's

975
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,559
gonna be even if you, like again, are really cynical

976
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:30,599
about the Bulls, which again I've been for a while

977
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:33,079
and a lot of fans are at this point. He

978
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,039
at least gives you, i think, a real real reason

979
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:36,599
to watch and pay attention to them to see if

980
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:39,079
he can maybe be that guy to take the team,

981
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:40,719
to help take the team to the next level.

982
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:45,039
Speaker 2: What is the single biggest area of development for him

983
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,159
he'll be looking at this year.

984
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it is

985
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,519
just the offensive, like creation and passing. He's never not

986
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:52,440
really much of a passer. There's that's another big thing,

987
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,559
like playmaking, like it's that was kind of non existence.

988
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:56,480
I think a lot of it's gonna be tightening the

989
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:58,360
handle up and just getting a lot better there. So

990
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,480
I'm not expecting the passing thing to like this year,

991
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,920
like to go from like a non existent playmaker to

992
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,519
like a really good one and from year one or two,

993
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,719
how young is like, I'm not looking for that. Hopefully

994
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,079
across the course a few years, yes, but just in general,

995
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:14,119
I guess just tightening the handle, getting better in half

996
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:17,840
court creation for himself. That's gonna I feel like the

997
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,760
next step to him becoming just a a big level

998
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,320
again maybe on the way to like a one A

999
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,920
or one B type guy. Again one A is obviously,

1000
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,440
and that's high, high level stuff, and that's not gonna

1001
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,559
happen this year, of course, But can he take those

1002
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:36,679
steps towards that by developing his offensive skill set and

1003
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,079
creation this year? That's that's gonna be a big thing.

1004
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: Do you think that they're gonna give him enough whether

1005
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,400
you want to call it usage or agency on the

1006
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,320
offensive end, for him to explore that sort of self

1007
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,360
creation party.

1008
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope they do. Like I mean with

1009
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,480
and with the way they play and just how fast

1010
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,440
they played and so many possessions available to them, And

1011
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,440
obviously he'll be good in transition he runs the court

1012
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:01,840
when it comes like the half court stuff, I mean,

1013
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,440
you got Giddy, you got Kobe, you do have all

1014
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,559
these guards, so like I do wonder like they're gonna

1015
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:08,559
like let him run picking rolls and stuff like that.

1016
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,760
Like again, hopefully we see it mixed in there. Like

1017
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,719
I don't think Billy's gonna all of a suden. It's

1018
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,119
be like, oh, here we go, Modus, Like you're gonna

1019
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,000
like play like zero point forward here and tell like

1020
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,719
they have again they have so many guards. Billy loves

1021
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,960
his multi yar lineups, Like I don't think we're gonna

1022
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,880
see that. And Billy made a point to like I

1023
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:26,840
was like not happy like without like he was using

1024
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,880
modest to start last year, was he was barely playing

1025
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,400
and like it just like felled almost useless as the

1026
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,639
team was just like walling along and that's where like

1027
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:35,639
winning them games and it's like I just want to

1028
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,800
see more Modus. But he built up the course of

1029
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,360
the year, and I mean by the end of the year,

1030
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,559
Monus was starting games and playing huge minutes for them.

1031
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,239
So like, ultimately, I think the way that Billy used

1032
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,480
him was probably fine. After Billy's a hall time coach

1033
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:52,320
and I'm just an idiot with a podcast, Like he

1034
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,239
obviously knows much better how to develop NBA talent than

1035
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,119
I do. So again, I don't think he's gonna throw

1036
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,559
too much at him the start this year at least,

1037
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:01,719
but again, hopefully kind of work works in some of

1038
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,679
that stuff so we see that skill development. Sure, that

1039
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,760
is what the plan is. And and if you can

1040
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,159
deal with it and he takes it well, then hopefully

1041
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,239
just keep putting more on his plate, and if it

1042
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,239
keeps getting better and.

1043
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:14,639
Speaker 2: Better, I feel like there'd be room. Maybe they don't

1044
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:17,519
have like the best screening guards, but guard set screens

1045
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,599
so often now, like why not let modest bozels like

1046
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:22,760
run pick and roll like have a guard screen for him.

1047
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,239
So yeah, I'd like to see more of that.

1048
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely, I said, you don't have to do

1049
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,400
a lot of it, but just it'd be a nice

1050
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,719
wrinkle to have here and there.

1051
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,559
Speaker 2: Their big man rotation is weird. It's it's got NBA players,

1052
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,400
as you mentioned before about there in the depth cart,

1053
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:39,519
but they don't have a center of the future, nor

1054
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:41,199
do they have someone on the roster that you could

1055
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,320
look at and identify as a potential center of the future.

1056
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,880
What is like the like and food specifically, we made

1057
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,559
a joke before about the extension and he should be

1058
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,960
a trade candidate, but it's like they also kind of

1059
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:54,960
need him in a sense that if they want to

1060
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,320
be good and open up the floor in the half court,

1061
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,760
they need him to shoot like he did for most

1062
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,239
of last season. So just what what do you make

1063
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,760
of the entire center situation.

1064
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've been trying to get off this

1065
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,480
team for a while. Like I said, I'm pretty sure

1066
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,960
he's been trying to get off this team for a while.

1067
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,440
And I know there was that whole uh like reporting

1068
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,719
snap food this offseason about like the buy out stuff, like, oh,

1069
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,719
like the Bulls can't trade him, They're they're gonna buy

1070
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,239
him out. But that was they were talking about like

1071
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,519
after the next year's deadline, which I mean like, actually,

1072
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:25,480
they're not gonna buy him out because they want to

1073
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,360
make the play in tournament.

1074
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 2: But but then the other thing too, is like for

1075
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,000
someone like him, it just feels a little bit early

1076
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:34,880
to be filed under that like, oh, they're never going

1077
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,480
to get a good, like a big contract again, because

1078
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,519
once you take that buyout, like Bradley Beal is kind

1079
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:42,800
of for the most part, is the ceiling, right, It's like, oh,

1080
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,119
you got part of like mid level type money, and

1081
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:48,320
so the Bulls might just pay him again. So if

1082
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,679
I was him, I wouldn't even want I know, you

1083
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,440
might not want to be in Chicago, but I wouldn't

1084
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,480
want to get bought.

1085
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,079
Speaker 1: Out and lose my birthden.

1086
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if he got like another big contract,

1087
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,960
that's boch is such so weird. It's like he had

1088
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,760
like a career shooting season last year. But he's not.

1089
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,199
I don't want to say he's bad. See he's still

1090
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:05,639
put up his double double machine. He shot forty percent

1091
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,400
from three last year. But like weat, no team, like

1092
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,639
contending team is gonna trade for a twenty million dollar mooch,

1093
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,239
Like that's.

1094
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,199
Speaker 1: You're taking back like long term money.

1095
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: He's just he's just in such like a weird spot

1096
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,639
contract wise and with where he's on his career while

1097
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,360
he's still pretty good, like yet no contending team is

1098
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,840
trading for that contract and then like playing him when

1099
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,840
it counts, because again when it counts, you don't want

1100
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Boots on the court in a in a playoff game

1101
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:33,079
because he can't play defense at all, and like no

1102
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,440
one's gonna try. Like I am curiously at this three

1103
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,320
point shooting. The three point shoot last year hit from

1104
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,960
him was and just says regular shooting in general, Like

1105
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,079
he was so bad at shooting threes the last couple

1106
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,000
of years and then last year, all of a sudden,

1107
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,519
this new play style and he's shooting. I mean, he

1108
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:49,400
was shooting like almost fifty percent from three for like

1109
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,679
a good year and like he ended up at forty

1110
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,559
plus and his overall efficiency again, his true shooting was

1111
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,360
I think by far, like the best of his career,

1112
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,679
like in the whatever you aged thirty four to thirty

1113
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,559
five season, Like, is he really gonna do that again?

1114
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,119
A lot I'm sure a lot of other teams are

1115
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,039
like no, Like that's just not gonna happen. Even if

1116
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,480
he's still like pretty good offensively, he can still you

1117
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,199
can still score pretty good, you can rebound well, but again,

1118
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,840
you can't play defense like on a good team like

1119
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:19,039
ch is like a fifteen to twenty minute per game

1120
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:20,840
back up player. That's why no one's trading anything of

1121
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,239
value for him, and like, no bad team's gonna go

1122
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,039
like sign and like why would a bad team go

1123
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:26,719
or trade for him? Like why would a bad team

1124
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,719
trade for twenty million dollars a cold bootfish? So it's

1125
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,039
just like an awkward situation. And that's why he was

1126
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:33,599
like and that's why saying that the Bulls were like

1127
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:35,679
allegedly holding out for like first round picks. No one

1128
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,280
is giving up vouch at first giving the Balls a

1129
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,880
first round pick for Butch. And again I made the

1130
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,400
joke about blaying the groundwork, and that was like the

1131
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,920
thing that the tradeline was like, Oh like there were

1132
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,639
like some like the Warriors stuff there was the worst

1133
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,360
thing made a lot of sense for them, But apparently

1134
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,639
the Bulls just like didn't want I think what was

1135
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,159
the wars were offering because they were holding out for

1136
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:55,840
a first round pick. And I can't remember if there

1137
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,679
were other teams involved in that.

1138
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: If they were at actually holding out for a first

1139
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,559
round pick and weren't taking back one of the five

1140
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:05,760
worst contracts in the NBA, I would like to know

1141
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,519
what they were thinking.

1142
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's that's what the reporting was the

1143
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,880
whole time, said they wanted a first Booch. Booch was

1144
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,280
having the best shooting season of his career. He's a

1145
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,719
double double machine. We want a first round pick for me.

1146
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,400
She's like, man, that's just such a misread of the market.

1147
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,119
And of course, and again it was reported about like

1148
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,199
multiple bulls, Like clearly Ak's like message was we were

1149
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,559
laying Groundwrook for a boots trade this summer, because that's

1150
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,719
what like the entire beat put out.

1151
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: Uh.

1152
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: And then he didn't get traded the summer either because

1153
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,840
no one again, no one is trading it first for Booch.

1154
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,760
Are they even trading multiple seconds at this point? I

1155
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,079
don't know. No team.

1156
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:38,639
Speaker 2: I probably would I would take depending on the money

1157
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:41,039
you're sending out, like if it's just even money or

1158
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:43,559
you're getting rid of some long term money. I think

1159
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:45,679
I would gamble on just like someone as you said,

1160
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:48,400
can still grab a bunch of rebounds and like the

1161
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:48,920
mini court.

1162
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: He's yeah, an inning mining exter. He's a minute slash,

1163
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:54,239
inning xetter, whatever you want.

1164
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: To call it.

1165
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:58,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very durable. He's gonna give you your double doubles,

1166
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:00,960
he'll whatever. He'll again if you and and if you're

1167
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,400
like a good team, you're not going to start him,

1168
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,679
but he'll play fifteen to twenty minutes per game off.

1169
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,559
That's what I mean. Again, the Warriors I always thought

1170
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,119
were such a great fit. I mean they were. I

1171
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:11,320
know Quinton Post was like pretty good for them last year,

1172
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,360
but uh, he's kind of made sense. There is there's

1173
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,159
another an offensive valve for stuff, and the way he

1174
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:19,159
was shooting, I think it would have hit well in

1175
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,079
that system. But again they did not do it, and

1176
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,679
nothing happened this offseason and now again Booch is back

1177
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,519
for another season in Chicago.

1178
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: So I know he's not a lob threat, but like,

1179
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,920
if I'm the Lakers, they got some expiring like Cleveland

1180
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:36,000
Vincent and a second for like why why not? Like

1181
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:37,559
I don't like, I mean, between him and Luca, you're

1182
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,920
talking about like a lot of ground boundness and but sure,

1183
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,960
like I I think he's still good, but I don't

1184
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,119
understand theory if I mean, but they again, as I said,

1185
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:46,840
this team kind of needs him if they want to reach.

1186
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, behind him, it's Jalen Smith, it's Zach Collins.

1187
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,880
We talked about Zach Collins playing for like a month

1188
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,639
like the best basketball's career after.

1189
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,519
Speaker 2: Being just kind of a like negative percentage at the

1190
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:00,360
rim against Samuel Us in Chicago.

1191
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah right, like he was incredibly good just for whatever

1192
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,000
reason out of nowhere. But yeah, like, is he gonna

1193
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,840
be the backup? Is Jalen Smith is gonna be the backup?

1194
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,480
Like Jalen Smith They signed to a three year deal

1195
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,800
after he had the big season with the Pacers Halliburton

1196
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,920
Merchant and he was fine last year and again him

1197
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,440
and Zach Collins I mean, they're fine. They're fine bench guys,

1198
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,280
nothing more than that. That being the polls is slogan.

1199
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:26,840
That's really what I say about them. Like, like I said,

1200
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,280
they have a bunch of fine players the middle ground,

1201
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,480
they've given up a bunch of like fine, Like the

1202
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:34,480
Trade Jones deal is fine, the Good You deal probably fine.

1203
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,920
Theoch deal extension was not fine. That obviously that sucked.

1204
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,800
But yeah, I mean, and that's how you end up

1205
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,800
with a thirty perpetual thirty nine win teams. You have

1206
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,559
a bunch of fine players and fine deals, but you're

1207
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,639
not So you're not good, you're also not bad. And

1208
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:54,519
here you go, perpetual playing team winning around fifty percent

1209
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,119
of your games. It makes all the sense in the world, really.

1210
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,599
Speaker 2: So between Booch, Kevin and heard Her, Zach Collins, and

1211
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:04,679
then you also have Kobe White and Iota Summu, a

1212
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,119
lot of expiring contracts on this team, they're built to

1213
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:11,000
make like some sort of semi significant trade, right. And

1214
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:14,079
I frame it in those vague terms because I would

1215
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,760
normally say they should sell those guys off for seconds,

1216
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,159
try and get a first round pick by taking on

1217
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,400
long term money. But I also wouldn't put it past

1218
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,679
them to be the team that is trading a first

1219
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,119
round pick along with expiring contracts to do something.

1220
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we this offseason were making the joke

1221
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:31,800
like who is like such a Bull's trade to make

1222
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,199
with like some of what they got here, Like we

1223
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:37,599
talked about like Zion like Demonta Sabonis uh and they

1224
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:39,639
could be your center of the futures demandus bonus. They

1225
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:41,079
could just like redo the Boots trade.

1226
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,639
Speaker 2: The Bulls are just gonna keep trading with each other.

1227
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like I don't even know who else it

1228
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:48,679
would like it would be at this point like the

1229
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,840
I mean, like I mean Trey Young, They're not gonna

1230
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,760
trade for Trey Young. I wouldn't him and Giddy that'll

1231
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,480
be the back und Like I don't think they would

1232
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,760
do that, Like obviously not gonna get Yannis if he

1233
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,960
comes on the market this year year. Like it's like, yeah,

1234
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,119
they have all this expiring money. I don't know who

1235
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,519
they're gonna use it to get if they try. That's

1236
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:09,320
what the plan is, at least at least right now.

1237
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,559
I mean never know. Obviously with the NBA, like things

1238
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:14,719
change quickly. Guys get guys get pissed with their situations,

1239
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,000
they ask out, Uh, maybe they'll just I think the joke,

1240
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:19,400
one of the jokes I made this year was, like

1241
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,039
I think it was the twenty twenty draft. They had

1242
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:24,000
like a bunch of guys from that draft. Maybe just

1243
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:26,400
ultimately they'll end up getting Anthony or the twenty twenty

1244
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,440
whatever it is, the Anthony Edward Draft. They'll maybe they'll

1245
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,880
just end up with him at some point since they

1246
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,719
have all these other guys from that draft already. Uh,

1247
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,079
they'll get him at the point. But obviously he's fine

1248
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,239
right now. But yeah, I'm not really sure like who

1249
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,840
like else, like if like at least this season. D

1250
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,400
Alson was talking about like the twenty like the free

1251
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,360
agency flexibility next offseason, but like free agency is like

1252
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,280
not a thing in the NBA anymore in terms of

1253
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,760
like signing games so like and like no one's but

1254
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,880
what star is gonna come sign with the like probably

1255
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,760
another mediocre Bulls team after all these guys expire, like

1256
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,199
probably nobody. So like, do I really expect them to

1257
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:06,519
make a big trade this season? No, just because they

1258
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,679
haven't done that at all, Like they've been so hastitan

1259
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,079
to make moves in general, but yeah, maybe maybe a

1260
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:13,159
K will surprise me. Maybe he's got something up a Sleez.

1261
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:15,559
I just don't know. Like right now, looking at it, like.

1262
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: There's a Paul George team that comes in and gets

1263
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,880
the actual player, I thought of.

1264
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: My god in.

1265
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: All serious was like, I feel like this is just

1266
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,199
gonna end up being the r. J.

1267
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: Barrett team.

1268
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:31,199
Speaker 2: I don't know what the deal looks like, but that

1269
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,559
just feels like that would be a Bulls trade.

1270
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: That would be a Bulls trade.

1271
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's He's been mentioned in rumors r J.

1272
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,679
Barrett or Zion. Maybe they will go trade for both

1273
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:45,760
of them. Redo the they go sign Cam Reddish then

1274
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,760
out of Europe, just whenever that can the team.

1275
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: I like Zion the basketball player when he's healthy, trensent.

1276
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,159
Speaker 2: But if you if your theory is Josh Gideon Zion Williamson,

1277
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,880
right question, Like I default to all these people who

1278
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,800
work in the NBA being waste smarter than I am.

1279
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,559
But I'm gonna have some questions if we end up

1280
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,320
with a Zion Williams and Josh Giddy.

1281
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: Corps in Chicago.

1282
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe they would trade Giddy for him. I

1283
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,360
don't know, actually, I doubt that, but yeah, I mean

1284
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,440
I gues said, that's why it's just like we made

1285
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,920
the Zion jokes in the off season, because that was

1286
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,400
just Zigon's the name that's theoretically out there and taking

1287
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,960
a gamble on top shelf talent when they don't have

1288
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,039
like a top shelf talent.

1289
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: If he becomes available in Dallas, would that be a

1290
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:26,760
Bulls move?

1291
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: I mean it certainly would. Getting the bringing back a

1292
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,760
Chicago guy who's past his prime. A D is better

1293
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,440
than Dwayne Wade was when they signed him, but like

1294
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,079
it would have getting a D like three or four

1295
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:40,239
years ago would have been much better than trading for

1296
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:43,599
however old a D is now, but who's still get

1297
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,599
He's still very good. But that would be a very

1298
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,920
Bulls move. But I mean, if they did that, sure,

1299
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,639
why not? Like a D is still pretty good, He'll

1300
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,800
he'll play half the games for you, but you could

1301
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,960
sell the Chicago game, and the Bulls are they could.

1302
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,880
The Bulls are great at marketing, Uh Chicago players. They're

1303
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,679
like five d Rose Knights this year. Uh market Anthony

1304
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,239
Dames coming back sounds great?

1305
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: So you said some before that kind of bummed me out,

1306
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,199
just because I like to see young players and get

1307
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:13,920
to go off vibes that you don't think, no Sanga

1308
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:15,880
is gonna play all that much. What are do you

1309
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,679
have any early impressions after?

1310
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just he's he's so young, so raw,

1311
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:23,840
and in Summer League, like his first sum of the

1312
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,280
game was brutal and he did get a little better,

1313
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:27,559
but he's the.

1314
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:30,119
Speaker 1: Same the pacers like he was. There were some like

1315
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,159
shot variants too to what he was doing. There was

1316
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:33,000
one of the players I was.

1317
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: Like, that looked like, you're honest. I think that was

1318
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,599
the Pacer Summer League game. So he's gonna he's the next, honest,

1319
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:40,639
that's I think we just go off that and that probably.

1320
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we've talked like a pod and like some

1321
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,280
of like a boll dms just kind of shooting stuff around,

1322
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,719
like the Gianna stuff has come up, and really I

1323
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,480
think that is I mean obviously again that is such

1324
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:56,519
like so high end not realistic, but like if it

1325
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,519
like all came together, that's it is kind of like

1326
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,440
the vision in their forum again to super raw, skinny

1327
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,639
but super athletic guy even get out and transition and

1328
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:08,440
if you could again get a lot stronger and just

1329
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,039
develop into what I remember m vps's won and one

1330
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:14,599
of the best players in the league for a long time,

1331
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,639
Like if he could become a poor man's honest sounds awesome.

1332
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:20,599
In terms of this season, there's no reason to think

1333
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:23,840
with just the depth that do have in this team

1334
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,719
in terms of playable guys, that he's going to play

1335
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,199
and just like looking at modest last year, barely played

1336
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,519
the start of the year. He did start playing a

1337
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:32,880
bit more, but again, like I think now unless they

1338
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,639
like really move some players around and make trades, like

1339
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:37,719
I'm just not sure where the minutes are gonna come

1340
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,239
from for him. But yeah, he showed some cool stuff

1341
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,320
in summer League. He also showed like his shooting was

1342
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,039
just like all over the place, like he he had

1343
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,320
he had some threes and then he also like air

1344
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,920
bawled multiple shots in like the ugliest fashion possible. He

1345
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:56,079
also got dunked on by Furfy was that the ugly dunk?

1346
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:59,480
Obviously that doesn't matter, you know it was. It was

1347
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:03,199
a wild like for Noah Sun. But ultimately, again he's

1348
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,079
young raw. I think it was like one of the

1349
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,679
youngest players in the draft. You think the youngest are

1350
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:09,719
like maybe Cooper was the only one younger, so he was.

1351
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:12,159
He's just so young. He's so skinny, Like he's got

1352
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:14,400
a he's got to got an NBA weight room, He's

1353
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,920
gotta do a lot of skill development. Like I don't

1354
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,000
know if there's really anything I know, like before the draft,

1355
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,400
like Ricky was was Noah was one of his guys,

1356
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,800
but he's basically yeah, like he's got always all these

1357
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,880
physical tools, but I don't know he actually do that

1358
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,360
much on a basketball card like that, like well, uh,

1359
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,920
he can't draw. He transitioned drawing fouls with something when

1360
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,440
he's playing with his European team. But again, there's just

1361
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,079
so much to develop there that he spent. I would

1362
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:42,519
like to see him a lot of a lot of

1363
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:44,519
time in the G League, at least to start, of course,

1364
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:46,280
over the course of the year, I want would love

1365
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,679
to see him on the court and see him get

1366
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:49,079
some minutes. I don't want this to be just like

1367
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:52,360
a total like red shirt season for Noah Sungay, especially

1368
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,239
when I don't think the actually like winning anything of consequence,

1369
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,159
Like I don't want to play like that's deep into

1370
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:01,559
the season and not haven't played at all, just because

1371
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:03,920
they're trying to gun for the play in tournament, which

1372
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:06,159
could they do that year because you know the bulls

1373
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,960
love gunning for the playing tournament. But so hopefully he plays.

1374
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,880
I hope we get a good mix G League, get

1375
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,719
him some reps there. But I do want him to

1376
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,440
see get some time in the NBA this season. But

1377
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,400
am I expecting a lot?

1378
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: Definitely not do any of the other non core just

1379
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,800
younger players. Interest you on this team to talk about

1380
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,840
whether Dale and Terry could pick Patrick Williams if you

1381
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,519
want no, Julian Phillips.

1382
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,519
Speaker 3: Nope, I think they're I think at this point there Pat.

1383
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,960
I mean we've been talking about Patrick Williams trying to

1384
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,320
take another step for what four years now after his

1385
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,639
like decent rookie season. He's just never like I would say,

1386
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:43,159
never gotten better. He's improved, he improved like slightly over

1387
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:45,679
the course of the like the next four years. Last

1388
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,320
year was truly a disaster, and I'm just not sure

1389
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,280
if it's ever gonna come together for him. His his

1390
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,639
shooting got worse, is finishing. I mean, he's became infamous,

1391
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,320
infamous for miss dunks. I feel like his defense fell

1392
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,639
off a little bit. I think he's just say look

1393
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:02,719
slow on the court. Like the injury stuff. I think

1394
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:04,280
has probably caught up to him a bit. So I

1395
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,000
just and this is all great to say for a guy.

1396
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,159
They just gave a five years, ninety million dollars contract.

1397
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: Goes on for I was doing something about which contracts

1398
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,039
for It was for Bleacher Report. Are gonna be the

1399
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,360
look the worst in two years? He said, we have

1400
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,800
two years left on that deal in twenty twenty seven.

1401
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:20,679
Speaker 3: Very bad.

1402
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: I was like, that thing goes on forever.

1403
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:26,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say, like just the Giddy thing, Like

1404
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,440
I was worried the bulls were gonna do the same

1405
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,760
thing with Giddy that they did with Pat. Seems that

1406
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,800
they did learn from their mistake, Like Giddy definitely deserved

1407
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:36,360
more than Pat, for sure, but they I mean, they're

1408
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,880
alleged top offer for for Giddy at the start was

1409
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:43,880
right around with Patrick Williams Gott. Pat's making eighteen million

1410
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,920
years over five years, and they're offered to Giddy was

1411
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,679
four or eighty or whatever. It was like kind of crazy,

1412
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,800
which was right. I was very happy that they did

1413
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,000
and weren't just like, oh, here you go, Josh, here's

1414
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,840
at the start of freedoms. Here's thirty million a year,

1415
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,719
which is basically they did with Patrick Williams. They didn't

1416
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:58,960
even let Patrick Williams hit the market. They I think

1417
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,800
they were signing even before he started, So like, huge mistake.

1418
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:07,800
It's hard to see him turning into anything here at

1419
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,559
this point. So if he does, great, but I'm not

1420
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:13,760
counting on it. And you look at like Dale and Terry,

1421
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,920
like he's gotten a little better and in this like

1422
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,960
system where he can just kind of go out there

1423
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,079
and run around like a crazy person, like fine, and

1424
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,079
he'll have some games where he hits like a few threes,

1425
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:26,320
but I don't know how much there really is there.

1426
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,280
And Julian Phillips also kind of the same way, like

1427
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:32,119
they're both but they're both guys. They're fine, like for

1428
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:36,000
like deeper bench guys, but am I really expecting much

1429
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,840
of anything out of them? And I don't know how

1430
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:40,039
the minutes where they're gonna come from either. I feel

1431
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:42,000
like between them, like you probably have to pick maybe

1432
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:44,280
one to have in the rotation and like maybe the

1433
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,599
other one plays if there's injuries, but uh, that's probably

1434
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:50,039
about it for for those guys at this point. So

1435
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:53,159
kind of a bummer. But again, I mean Jilli Phillips.

1436
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:57,480
They didn't trade uh stop up for him for Yeah,

1437
01:00:57,519 --> 01:00:59,400
they trade two seconds for him to get him dale

1438
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,559
I mean Daleen looks like a really bad pick and

1439
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,320
eight number eighteen, and there were other guys.

1440
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what was it.

1441
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,119
Speaker 3: I think Christian Brown's like the big one who was

1442
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:10,360
picked like two after him, I think, or a couple

1443
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,599
of picks after him, maybe three.

1444
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: You would have think you would have thought him as

1445
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,519
their whole mantra of young guys with experience. Christian Brown

1446
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:18,639
like being a like in college for a while winning

1447
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:19,960
that he would have been on their radar.

1448
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because like in the draft it's been

1449
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,039
like and they took Ioh who was more experienced than like,

1450
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:28,800
I mean the draft we've seen Patrick Williams not it

1451
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,719
was a six man at Florid to stay two one years.

1452
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: I just I want to go on the record of

1453
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,880
Claire or something. I was all I thought that Patrick

1454
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,079
Olliams pick was brilliant. When I saw they picked him

1455
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:37,440
at number four, I was like, that is like the

1456
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:40,360
perfect free So I'm not like I wasn't claire voyant

1457
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,360
enough to think that he was going to be this bad.

1458
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,239
Speaker 1: So I was in the bag for Patrick o'ing.

1459
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:47,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, that thing is just weird and unfortunate. I think

1460
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:49,840
there's a lot has gone wrong with how they've used him,

1461
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,960
how they've developed him, and his own injuries, and I

1462
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,159
think his own mindset I make it say. I think

1463
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:57,039
we joke about all the time. He doesn't seem to

1464
01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:00,519
have that dog in him, which is like modest Modus

1465
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:04,719
definitely seems to and Pat does does not. So it's

1466
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:07,000
a bummer. These other guys, like I said, kind of

1467
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,079
a bummer. But hopefully Noah Sung ends up better than that,

1468
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,679
and hope modess I have a lot more higher hopes

1469
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:15,840
for him. Uh think looking at this young guys on

1470
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,199
this team, we're looking past again Kobe and Giddy like

1471
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:22,880
Modison should be interesting again the se we haven't seen

1472
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,199
him in the NBA yet, but he has interesting tools

1473
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:27,960
and hopefully again we can see some of the on

1474
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,880
the court. The other guys, whatever.

1475
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,599
Speaker 2: Are you ready to enter the cookie cutter slash lightning round?

1476
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:38,719
Absolutely looking at this roster, what is the single We've

1477
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:40,920
talked a lot about all the various needs, but what

1478
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,239
is the single biggest need to you for this roster.

1479
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 3: Oh god, I mean, I'd rather look big picture, and

1480
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,840
they need a superstar player at some point, like on

1481
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,400
this team, like and they have, and their defense kind

1482
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,679
of is probably gonna sting, although Billy has done a

1483
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:55,480
better job than you would think, like with this team,

1484
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:56,719
like getting them to play better.

1485
01:02:57,239 --> 01:02:58,679
Speaker 1: They punched above their weight, right, Yeah.

1486
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 3: I thought they were gonna be like about five defense

1487
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:03,039
like all of last season, and they end up ended up.

1488
01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:04,400
I think I can't remember if they were in the

1489
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,559
top twenty, but they were not nearly as awful as

1490
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,599
I thought they'd be, so like again, they could certainly

1491
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:13,880
use again a better defensive center, you could say all

1492
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,119
my stuff stuff. Ultimately, I'm looking at the big picture.

1493
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:18,239
They just need a star player. So is that gonna

1494
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:20,199
come this year? I don't know. Again, is Josh Cadi

1495
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,440
actually turned into a legit stars, Kobe Wack can turn

1496
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:24,639
into stars, Modess Boils can turn into a star at

1497
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:28,000
some point, I don't know, maybe, But that's if they're

1498
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,000
gonna actually take that next step into something meaningful in

1499
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,239
the coming years. That's what I'm looking for. And we

1500
01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:35,800
can look at all the small stuff and like this season,

1501
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:39,039
and again, defense is a big one. Can they continue

1502
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:42,920
playing the style. We'll see about that, but I'm still

1503
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,760
just like they need a star player. They need a

1504
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,760
blue chip prospect, star player type guy to take them

1505
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,760
into the future. And again, maybe it's on the team,

1506
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,079
but it is not for sure.

1507
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: Yet knowing how this RUNTOFFS operations, do you think it's

1508
01:03:57,519 --> 01:03:59,719
more likely that if and when they get that star

1509
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,360
they have drafted him or traded for him.

1510
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: I would guess traded for him. But if they draft

1511
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,320
the middle, probably have to be from like the middle.

1512
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,400
And again, you can absolutely draft a star from the middle.

1513
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:18,760
Well I think, yeah, it could be one of those

1514
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,360
guys for sure, but like I don't at this point. Again,

1515
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,199
I don't think they're gonna unless like things really fall

1516
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:25,000
off like this year and maybe they get lucky or

1517
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,480
they end up like whatever with the twelve slot and lottery,

1518
01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:29,679
and we've seen teams the last couple years move up

1519
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:31,239
and maybe they end up one from one of these.

1520
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: They're more than willing to make some upside of trade.

1521
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we could see that, but I would guess

1522
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,639
that that is not again, not their plan to go

1523
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:40,840
tanking for one of these guys, and that their plan

1524
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,719
is have what they have in this team and develop it.

1525
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:47,280
And then again, maybe they'd use one or two of

1526
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,199
these young guys and turn it into a star player.

1527
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:53,360
So I would guess more likely trade, but again, they

1528
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,159
have some young guys who could turn into that guy,

1529
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:57,599
and or maybe you get lucky in the draft at

1530
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:57,960
some point.

1531
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: What's something about this team that's flying under the radar

1532
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,480
you think deserves more spotlight?

1533
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,679
Speaker 1: Oh God, I don't know.

1534
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 3: The bull I feel like the entire team is under

1535
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,119
the raider at this point because no one cares about

1536
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:14,119
the Bulls. But man, uh, I mean you would even say,

1537
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:15,920
I mean maybe Billy is. And just like the way

1538
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:17,840
that he has kind of coached this team and the

1539
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,920
style they do play. Yeah, Like again, like I feel

1540
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,559
like the Bulls are irrelevant and like no one really

1541
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:23,400
knows what's like going on with them, and like the

1542
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,400
fact that they did like change their style and like

1543
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,199
became this kind of like running gun team. Like I

1544
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:29,719
feel like they do take teams by surprise with how

1545
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,239
they play, and just like how hard they play and

1546
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:35,280
the fast paced style. I don't think teams are ready

1547
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,800
for it in the regular season, and fans probably like

1548
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,840
are I feel like they're kind of fun. I guess,

1549
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,840
like I think with their style. So like again, been

1550
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,360
very cynical about the Bulls. I think a lot of

1551
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,920
people are on the league, a lot of fans. I mean,

1552
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,920
this team just mediocre again, but I do think they're

1553
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:52,159
They were kind of fun that closed this year and

1554
01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:53,679
I think last year, and I think they could be

1555
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,760
like a fun team to watch. Well, you I know,

1556
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,599
like people do their league pass rankings and all that

1557
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:01,320
kind of stuff, like the Bulls probably be like very

1558
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,960
high on that. But I think in terms of just

1559
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:06,800
the aesthetic and how they'll play, they should be pretty fun.

1560
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,480
So I think they could be more fun than people expect.

1561
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:11,239
Speaker 2: That very I think if there was a way to

1562
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,480
cover up their silhouettes and their jerseys and like put

1563
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:16,639
ninja mass on them and you just had these teams

1564
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:19,119
play a basketball game and rank them off their style,

1565
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:23,280
that way, that the Bulls stylistically in terms of entertainment

1566
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,159
value would finish in the top ten.

1567
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, yeah, there you go.

1568
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:28,599
Speaker 1: Hang the banner.

1569
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:34,159
Speaker 2: So if you had to build a ten man rotation

1570
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,840
right now, who are your five starters and then who

1571
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,079
are going to be the five most hues reserves, So I.

1572
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 3: Kind of teased this earlier that I initially thought because

1573
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:47,519
they started the play in game with Kobe Giddy, Kevin Hurder, Madis,

1574
01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:48,880
and Bouche and I was like, Oh, yeah, that's definitely

1575
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,519
who they're going to start the season with. And that's

1576
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:53,440
when I totally foregued that isaacat Korro's on the team.

1577
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:56,039
I do kind of think a Coro might start at

1578
01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:58,320
the three, just because I mentioned the point of the

1579
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,960
tech defense stuff. I know Billy loves Kevin hr Herder

1580
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,559
played a ton of minutes after the trade last year.

1581
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:05,280
He played pretty good. I feel like Hurder is probably

1582
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:10,519
better as like six man gunner type off the bench,

1583
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:13,719
and that they should probably focus more on having like

1584
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:16,480
a defensive guy. And again, a Korro can at least

1585
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,880
like get on transition. He can hit open corner three,

1586
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,920
so like again, I don't think he would like hurt

1587
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,360
the shooting too much, at least in the regular season.

1588
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,800
So my guess is a Korro starts and it will

1589
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,719
be those same other four guys, Kobe Giddy, a Korro, Madis,

1590
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,320
Booch mentioned Kevin Hurder, so he'll be off the bench.

1591
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,280
Trey Jones will play off the bench, I will play

1592
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:41,559
off the bench. Uh eight, exactly a lot. I guess

1593
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:43,159
that we talking about three guard lineups, They're gonna be

1594
01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:44,960
playing a lot of three guard lineups. It's going to happen.

1595
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,079
The backup four will probably be pat, I would guess,

1596
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:52,119
but maybe I would love that for Noah Sudd overtake

1597
01:07:52,159 --> 01:07:54,840
him at some point this year, and then like again

1598
01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:00,800
Collins or Jalen Smith whatever, whoever ends up getting backup spot.

1599
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,079
I don't really care, like it's gonna be one of

1600
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:05,760
those guys. Maybe maybe they rotate based on like matches

1601
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,920
and stuff like that. So again it's kind of like

1602
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,199
hard to say ten guys because I mentioned like they

1603
01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:13,440
have they're over their whole roster like has guys who

1604
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,560
can like theoretically be an NBA rotations like I heavy

1605
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,319
you mentioned again Dale and Terry and Julian Phillips and

1606
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:20,760
talk about those guys. This is why I like don't

1607
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,600
think not really expecting much of it them because like

1608
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,439
I don't think they're gonna play very much, which there's

1609
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,119
just that room in the rotation for them right now

1610
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:29,319
based on just like who they have there. When you

1611
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:31,479
resign trade Jones the three twenty four, Like he's gonna

1612
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,439
play when you have Io who's been here for a

1613
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,279
while and he's pretty good, Like he's probably gonna play.

1614
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:39,199
Had Kevin Herder, he's going to be an expiring contract,

1615
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,399
like use him to Billy seemed to like him last year,

1616
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,119
Like maybe a trade candidate at the deadline, Like he's

1617
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:47,079
gonna play at least probably to start the year. Maybe

1618
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,479
maybe they trade him, and which would be fine, Like

1619
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,279
ideally you're he's building some value and you're trading in

1620
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:54,039
for something like I don't need Kevin Hurder on my

1621
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:58,359
team this Bulls team that much longer. But we'll see.

1622
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,439
I mean, Collins is an expired to. Jalen Smith does

1623
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,479
have again another year after this one. So again it's

1624
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,000
just like where how how Billy balances all This will

1625
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:09,840
be very interesting to see. But that's for right now.

1626
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,800
That's what I'm thinking my starting five and then Jones Io. Well,

1627
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,720
also I think that I mentioned a Korro probably pat

1628
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,800
to start the year, and then either Smith.

1629
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: Or Collins is the back of the five, assuming operating

1630
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:24,920
under the assumption that they're going to be trying to

1631
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,000
win games. What do you think winds up being their

1632
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:30,119
go to crunch time lineup will just be the starters.

1633
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,319
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I think it's I would guess the starters

1634
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,399
and then again between like the three spot, the coro

1635
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,520
io uh or a coral herder. I could see it

1636
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,119
like rotating between those. I think Gidey and Kobe will

1637
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:45,760
start will close routinely. I know Giddy did if he

1638
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,359
did get benched and crunch time not a decentized at

1639
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:50,800
least to start the year. He was getting bench and

1640
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,720
crunch time not as much to close the dear when

1641
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,760
he was paying a lot better. But uh, Giddy and

1642
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,960
Kobe are probably locks. I mean, Madis I hope closes

1643
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:02,119
pretty much every game like he should be at the

1644
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:04,159
very least, Like I don't want him sitting in bench

1645
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:07,880
crunch time. Booch theoretically should not be gifted a crunch

1646
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,239
time spot. But I would guess for them, he'll play

1647
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:13,520
a lot of crunch time minutes just because again, who

1648
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,000
else are they going to play over? I guess I

1649
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000
guess if they try to play smaller, you play modest

1650
01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:18,920
at the five and try to throw out smaller lineups.

1651
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,479
I would have no problems with that. But so yeah,

1652
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,720
like Ultimately, I think it's gonna be like Vouch, Modest,

1653
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,439
Ang Giddy, Kobe as like some somewhat of a standard

1654
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,960
set for and then that fifth spot I think could

1655
01:10:32,039 --> 01:10:36,600
rotate depending on hot hand matchups, who they need guys

1656
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,479
to play defense with. Billy's got a lot of options.

1657
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,960
You could turn to a lot of optionality with this

1658
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:44,560
mid roster and goofy roster.

1659
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that, is there a weirdo lineup you

1660
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:49,279
want to see Billy Donovan try this?

1661
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:51,199
Speaker 3: Yeah? I would love to see like some some of

1662
01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:56,039
the young crazy lineups. If we're talking like with a

1663
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,520
like get a singing Madus out there together with like

1664
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,800
with Cod being giddy, and then uh, I don't know,

1665
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,640
throw someone else out there something without Vouch. I feel

1666
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,880
like for these I always trend towards like smaller ball lines.

1667
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,520
But if you got Modest, like he's at least again

1668
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,560
a big guy, so you're not like going super small,

1669
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,920
and I feel like I think before on the Spott, like, oh,

1670
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,199
let's try Patrick Williams at the five minutes, so I

1671
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:19,079
guess something called like Modus at the five minutes and

1672
01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:22,399
now again throwing him out there with like Kobe Giddy,

1673
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,600
and then against what somebody else, Uh, one of these

1674
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,000
other millions of guards or wings that they have and

1675
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:35,159
have some fun with young running gun lineup that could

1676
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:37,159
just have weeks some havoc out there.

1677
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 2: Yours was early close to mind. I also had modest

1678
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,760
and a Sangay is my front court. And then let

1679
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,199
me see Kobe White, I oh, and Kevin Hurber in there.

1680
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,720
Like that'd be like a really turbo charged, like fun

1681
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:49,640
line up to watch.

1682
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it, just skidding, even if the ball's

1683
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,039
gonna be mid going back to the league pass, I've

1684
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:57,119
just gonna be a fun team that's at least entertained

1685
01:11:57,119 --> 01:11:59,119
to watch, and they can have some fun with the

1686
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:00,760
lineups that they they're out there.

1687
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,319
Speaker 2: Before I get you to make some predictions, is there

1688
01:12:04,359 --> 01:12:06,560
anything else anyone else we haven't talked about that you

1689
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:07,920
think deserves to be discussed.

1690
01:12:08,319 --> 01:12:11,119
Speaker 3: Oh, let me start talking about Javon Carterismore. Now, I'm

1691
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:14,800
absolutely absolutely not. I got nothing for like, I know,

1692
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:16,560
like the two way guys a lot of people love.

1693
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: Was a Yuki awesome another guard.

1694
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully he has some fun in the with the

1695
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,520
Windy City Bulls and it can do some stuff there.

1696
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:27,800
But Yeah. We mean I feel like I've touched on

1697
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,960
basically everybody. I like a fifteen man roster because they

1698
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,399
got all these fine players on their team. But I

1699
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:36,319
think that's pretty much you've gone over basically. Yeah, we've

1700
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:39,199
gone about basically over basically everybody. So I think we're good.

1701
01:12:40,119 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: So how many games do you think you wind up winning?

1702
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,399
And where do you think they land in the Eastern

1703
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:45,840
Conference regular season standing?

1704
01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 3: So when me and Ricky did our annual go through

1705
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,039
game by game podcast after the schedule came out, I

1706
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:56,000
believe I ended at thirty six, and that is without

1707
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,520
that that's missing two games the plane or the in

1708
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,840
season two ornament. So thirty six or thirty seven is

1709
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,399
kind of where I landed. It would not surprise you

1710
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:08,359
if they finish again thirty nine. Again. I do think

1711
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:12,000
this is like a regular season team that will that

1712
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:14,640
take teams by surprise. Mickey Mouse March is like built

1713
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,239
for this roster. Again, with the portion of the season

1714
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:20,760
when veteran teams are just trying to get to the

1715
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,640
end of the year and there's other tanking teams, the

1716
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,680
Bulls are not gonna tank, and they have a bunch

1717
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,840
of young legs. They have a deep roster that can

1718
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,079
play a lot of guys, and they're gonna come out

1719
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:31,840
and they are gonna run up and down the court,

1720
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,640
and they're gonna win games that they're not supposed to,

1721
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,479
especially in the second half of the year. Ultimately, they

1722
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,279
just don't have the top level talent of actual good teams,

1723
01:13:39,319 --> 01:13:41,039
which is why I don't think they're gonna go like

1724
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:43,600
forty five and thirty seven and surprise everybody. Could they

1725
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:45,920
A lot would have to go right. I'm not gonna

1726
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,359
totally rule it out, but ultimately it just seems destined

1727
01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:53,840
for another high thirties season, probably another play in spot.

1728
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,039
Again with this Eastern Conference, it's gonna be really fascinating

1729
01:13:57,039 --> 01:13:59,359
to see, just like how what the Celtics do, Like,

1730
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,239
do thes Go do like a kind of a tank here,

1731
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:05,520
what the Pacers do? Like the Pacers I have also

1732
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,239
a deep team and a lot of other really good players,

1733
01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:08,880
but I mean, Helburn just means so much to them,

1734
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,439
and over the course of the regular season, if there's

1735
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,560
like any attrition there, like and they lost Miles Turner, like,

1736
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,119
are they just gonna end up also like doing like

1737
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:20,119
a kind of pseudo tank season. So like I'm curious

1738
01:14:20,119 --> 01:14:23,119
super Boston and Indiana wind up and then just like

1739
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:25,000
there's always other teams, like I mean, we got the

1740
01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:26,960
Magic and the Hawks look like they should be really

1741
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,800
good and obviously got the cams in the next to

1742
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,680
the top, I mean the Bucks with Giannis, like who

1743
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:35,159
the heck knows what happens with them and the Raptors

1744
01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:37,119
and others. Kind of a weird team and they've been

1745
01:14:37,119 --> 01:14:41,199
weird for a long time too. Uh, we know there's

1746
01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:43,079
a couple teams are gonna be awful, and that's are

1747
01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:44,880
gonna be awful the Wizards of.

1748
01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:47,560
Speaker 2: The teams, would you be prepared to guarantee right now

1749
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:48,479
in the East.

1750
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,159
Speaker 1: Right this is me and rick the Wizards and.

1751
01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 3: Who, yeah, guarantee you be worse than.

1752
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,520
Speaker 2: The Bulls maybe the Hornets, but like the Hornets, like

1753
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,479
the Hornets could be again, they're another team that was

1754
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,159
just like they could be feisty, but it all depends

1755
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:03,159
on what LaMelo is staying healthy and like he just

1756
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:03,960
never is healthy.

1757
01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 3: So it's like they'll probably be bad, but they have

1758
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,199
a lot of a lot of talent there, so like

1759
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:11,600
they could could be interesting. But this is our next podcast,

1760
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,399
me and Ricky we're gonna go through the East a

1761
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,439
little closer and be like we're I think I was

1762
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,079
gonna be, like, who do we think for sure? Is

1763
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:21,079
going is going to be better for sure than the Bulls,

1764
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:23,399
like kind of coming almost from the other way, So

1765
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,600
like it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. Like again,

1766
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,560
the Hawks theoretically should be the Hawks that have kind

1767
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,119
of been the Bulls. And then there's the Heat too,

1768
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:34,159
of course, and they just lost Tyler hero to what

1769
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:35,800
foot surgery and he's gonna be up to start the year,

1770
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,039
So who knows what's gonna happen there? Like Bulls, Hawks

1771
01:15:38,039 --> 01:15:39,439
and Heat have kind of been in this, just like

1772
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,640
the play in like Morass, the play in Maven's whatever

1773
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,119
you want to call him. The Hawks should be a

1774
01:15:45,159 --> 01:15:48,399
lot better, but well they who knows, they've been so.

1775
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,119
Speaker 1: Much Hawks pilled a lot of people are.

1776
01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 3: I mean, theoretically like their roster should be really good,

1777
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,319
but like so like they should be good. Again, I've

1778
01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:59,760
mentioned what four or five six teams that should definitely

1779
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,880
be better, but I guess I have not mentioned the

1780
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,760
Philadelphia seventy six ers either, and like who knows what

1781
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,399
the hell of but think of them either. It's like

1782
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,039
the East is just such a joke and such a

1783
01:16:10,079 --> 01:16:12,720
mess where it's like, could the Bulls have like a weird,

1784
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,760
funky season and they end up like low forties and

1785
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,359
like end up getting a top six spot. I'm not

1786
01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:20,079
gonna totally rule it out when I bet on that,

1787
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:23,119
Absolutely not. But I did bet their over number was

1788
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:24,520
Oh god, I camera what it was, but I think

1789
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:25,920
it was lower than I thought, and I definitely have

1790
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,479
already bet the over on it. I think it was

1791
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,039
like thirty three or thirty two. Like, I'm very confident

1792
01:16:31,039 --> 01:16:32,600
they're gonna be better than that, just like they were

1793
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,680
much better than their line was last year, So I

1794
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,960
would guess the Bulls are better than expected once again.

1795
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,640
Do I think they're gonna be meaningfully better? Probably not again,

1796
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,880
it ultimately looks like another mid team, but again, the

1797
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,439
East is so messed up where who knows, maybe they

1798
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,119
they overachieve and East is just so bad that they're

1799
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,079
they can avoid the playing tournament or get at least

1800
01:16:53,079 --> 01:16:55,239
like the seven eight game and not being the nine

1801
01:16:55,279 --> 01:16:55,520
to ten.

1802
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 2: Jason, can I get one more Bulls prediction for you

1803
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,760
for companies from you for this company season?

1804
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,119
Speaker 3: Please? What like a general one.

1805
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:06,159
Speaker 2: It could be whatever you want, and it could be

1806
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:07,079
about Julian.

1807
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: Phillips, all right, predicted about whatever you want.

1808
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 3: Let's see here. Oh god, I know I was talking

1809
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,199
with a friend about most Improved. I want to throw

1810
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,520
out like a modest Boselli's most Improved like case out

1811
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,479
there that he's I'm not gonna say he's gonna I'm

1812
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:20,600
not gonna say he's gonna win it.

1813
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 2: I'm just say, you know who the last second year

1814
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,760
player was to win it. I think it was Monte

1815
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,359
Ellis if I think, I'm gonna double check that now,

1816
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,239
but I'm pretty sure it was him.

1817
01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's gonna win it. I think

1818
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,079
that'd be a huge leap, but like I could see

1819
01:17:35,119 --> 01:17:38,760
him maybe working his way into some conversations for it.

1820
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,079
At the very least, that's a lame prediction. Was I'm

1821
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:44,119
not saying like something's definitly gonna happen like I wish.

1822
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:45,279
Speaker 1: I can't really.

1823
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 3: Predict that like Giddy or Kobe is gonna be an

1824
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,520
All Star because I don't really believe that at all.

1825
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,520
No rookie, no rookie, Like I don't think he's gonna

1826
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,199
play enough Yeah, some of my lame predictions that Modus

1827
01:17:55,239 --> 01:17:58,680
will work his way into some most improved conversations.

1828
01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:01,560
Speaker 2: It was Monte Elise was the last second year fired

1829
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,720
away and most improved, So that battle goes three deep.

1830
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,560
If he finishes, like in the top three, that's a

1831
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:07,279
pretty big deal.

1832
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 3: That Yeah, that would be that would be pretty sick.

1833
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: Again, do I think.

1834
01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 3: It's gonna happened?

1835
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 2: It?

1836
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:14,159
Speaker 1: So?

1837
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just printed it. He'll at least

1838
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,279
be in the conversation. So I guess top three? Am

1839
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:22,119
I saying that? Not really opportunity of the table? Yeah,

1840
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:24,680
they'll finish third and most improved. Why not?

1841
01:18:26,359 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: Jason? This was great as always are.

1842
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 2: You're just able to tell our subscribers, listeners, audience where

1843
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:32,279
they can find you and all the work that you do.

1844
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cash Cast Co Sederations, Chicago Bulls Podcast. It's me

1845
01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:40,039
and riky O Donald. We'll have another pod. We we

1846
01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:42,840
pod once a week. Uh, we've been a little lace

1847
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,720
yeer during the offseason. Has just been like nothing to

1848
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,920
talk about. But we'll be ramming back up once Media

1849
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,239
to Day starts up back to our normal once a

1850
01:18:49,239 --> 01:18:52,359
week cadence. But let's make it Me and Rikyo Donald, Uh,

1851
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,319
you mentioned my socials. I don't really post on Twitter

1852
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,039
or X or whatever you want to call it anymore.

1853
01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:59,079
But I'm at Bull's Underscore J. I still do post

1854
01:18:59,079 --> 01:19:01,159
the podcast there, but I do most of my posting

1855
01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:04,479
on Blue Sky now. Also, it's bulls Jay. No underscore there,

1856
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:05,239
just Bulls Jay.

1857
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:06,159
Speaker 1: That's what you got.

1858
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: You're only the second person. This is like look Ahead

1859
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,000
number twenty or twenty one. You're only the second person

1860
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:16,520
that needed two separate handles. So congrats to you on screen, and.

1861
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,520
Speaker 3: Then yeah, Clutch Points basically kind of run the show there.

1862
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,239
I'll shout out my guy Brett Siegel, who does NBA

1863
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,560
reporting there. He's been on top of like the Jonathan

1864
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,199
Kaminga stuff. He's had some stuff on the Giddy situation.

1865
01:19:28,319 --> 01:19:31,399
But interesting that the Kaminga thing's still going on. They

1866
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,159
said the Giddy thing's done, but we're still waiting on

1867
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,640
Jonathan Kaminga. But go chigu out clutch Points dot com

1868
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,119
as well. Brett does a lot of good reporting there.

1869
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:38,680
We'd have a lot of coverage in the NBA and

1870
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,960
other sports in general. So yeah, I think that's basically it.

1871
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,479
Thank you so much for having me once again. It's

1872
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,000
always a pleasure to do this. I always love going

1873
01:19:46,039 --> 01:19:48,439
deep with the Bulls, even though it ends up being

1874
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,880
the same thing every season for the last three years.

1875
01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:54,800
Hopefully we get a different, different outcome this year and

1876
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,479
that next next offseason we do this pod, that we'll

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have something a little more better.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll be able to talk about modest

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buzzellis finishing third and.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to that.

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Speaker 2: You guys can find a link to Cash Considerations in

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our podcast and YouTube descriptions to go check out Jason

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and Ricky over there. Until next time, Jason, thank you

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so much. You know I'm gonna be best for you

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again down the line.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, thanks for having me. Have a good one.