WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.879 You asked a question earlier about whether I ever felt 2 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:06.120 like in danger at all. This night probably fell into 3 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:10.560 that category. I was inside my camper and something came 4 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:14.919 up outside my camper, but it was making the most 5 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:19.320 ungodly sounds. I mean, it was a cross between growls 6 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:23.440 and screams, and it literally sounded like it was right 7 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:26.519 outside my camper. And I have to say that, as 8 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:29.960 much as I want to in some ways see one 9 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:34.439 of these up close, that particular night, I was afraid 10 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:38.200 to go outside. I didn't want to open my camper door. 11 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:42.920 I didn't have a light. My flashlight had broken earlier 12 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:47.000 that same day, and I didn't feel comfortable opening my 13 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:50.880 camper door and going out into the dark to see 14 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:51.479 what it was. 15 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:28.599 I'd like to welcome Mark to Bigfoot Crossroads. Mark is 16 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:33.319 a Bigfoot investigator. His investigations have taken them all over 17 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.879 the place. Thanks Mark for joining me, Well, thank you 18 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:40.599 for having me on. I appreciate the invitation. Yeah, we 19 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:43.480 just had a little bit of a hiccup with the 20 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:47.519 infamous Bigfoot curse. Leave it to things to go wrong 21 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:52.239 anytime you talk about Bigfoot. So oh sure you were 22 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:55.400 saying what got you started on this journey. 23 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.280 Well, in nineteen seventy three, I was camping with a 24 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:03.359 friend and he was a little older than me, so 25 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:06.079 I kind of looked up to him took his word 26 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:12.039 for things. But we were camping in somewhere around midnight. 27 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:17.199 It had started to rain, just very light, and he 28 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:22.680 was asleep and I had maybe dozed off. But I 29 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:26.759 woke up and I heard what sounded like somebody walking 30 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:32.599 around the edge of our camping area. And we were 31 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:36.599 under a tarp and had a fire going, but the 32 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.840 fire had died down, so I threw some more wood 33 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:43.080 on it and got it going pretty good, and I 34 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.039 could see the outline of what looked like a very 35 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.080 large person, and so I got a little bit worried, 36 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.479 not knowing what it was. So I woke him up 37 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:58.000 and I told him, and he got up and he 38 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:01.479 looked and he saw it too, and he said, oh, 39 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.400 he said, that's the old hermit that lives back here 40 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.879 in the woods. He said, I've seen him before, and 41 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:13.000 he's weird because he has long hair and he wears 42 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.960 a fur coat all year round, even in the summertime. 43 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:19.800 And so I just kind of took his word for 44 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:26.199 it that it was a hermit. But this figure continued 45 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:32.039 to hang around for several hours till probably around three 46 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.439 in the morning. Even my friend was getting a little scared, 47 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.560 and so he said, well, let's walk to the house. 48 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.520 So we're probably half a mile at least from my house, 49 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.319 and I said, there's no way I'm leaving this campfire, 50 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:50.000 you know, in the dark and not knowing, you know, 51 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.039 what this is out there. And so we ended up 52 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:57.479 staying till it got daylight, probably five thirty six o'clock, 53 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:01.680 and we left and walked up to my house. And 54 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:06.000 at the time, Bigfoot wasn't really on my mind, and 55 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:10.759 so I didn't think to look for tracks or you know, 56 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:15.280 anything like that. We just got away from there. And 57 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.079 a little bit, I'll add to that. Not long after that, 58 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.000 my brother, who was actually nineteen years older than me, 59 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:27.519 had been back there. He had some cars that he 60 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.000 would go from time to time and get parts off 61 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.399 of and things, and he had gone back there, and 62 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:37.279 he as far as I know, I mean, I felt 63 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:41.560 like he wasn't afraid of anything. And I wasn't there 64 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.879 at the time, but my mother told me later, she 65 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:48.120 said he came to the house and came roaring up 66 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.199 in his car from back at what we call back 67 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:53.519 in the back end, which was where this was at, 68 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.480 in the wooded part of our farm, and she said 69 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.319 he was white as a ghost. And he came in 70 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.240 the house and she said, what in the world is 71 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:05.000 wrong with you? And he said, I'm not going to 72 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:09.439 tell anybody what just happened because they'll think I'm crazy. Well, 73 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:14.560 I suspect that he also saw what was lurking around 74 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:19.720 the edge of our campfire that night, and so anyway, 75 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:23.759 that kind of led me down the path to having 76 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.519 an interest. You know, It was probably a few years 77 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.079 later before it really dawned on me that what I 78 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:35.360 had probably seen that night was in fact a bigfoot. 79 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:39.319 But that kind of got me started on the path, 80 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.920 and so then I've been interested every since. 81 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.279 The figure that you saw, you said it was there 82 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:51.360 for a very long time. Was it just hanging out 83 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:53.839 in the trees watching or was it pacing around? 84 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:59.319 What was it doing? It was walking around, but it 85 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:03.519 would stay just far enough out that it was difficult 86 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:07.600 to really see. But when I would build the fire up, 87 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.199 it would move farther away, and as the fire would 88 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.480 die down, it would come closer in. It was very 89 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:22.120 much conscious of where or how close it could get 90 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:30.160 before it could be very obviously identified. But it was 91 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:33.079 definitely close enough that we could see that it was 92 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:39.720 a very large figure. You know. Like I said, I 93 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:44.279 couldn't say that it was hair covered, but I just 94 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.839 took my friend's word that he had seen it before 95 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:51.040 and that he thought it was a hermit that lived 96 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:54.079 in the woods, which you know, in hindsight is kind 97 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:56.279 of funny to think about, but you know, we were 98 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:00.600 just teenagers, so that didn't seem so to me at 99 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.360 the time, but you know, it was also I would say, 100 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.040 if it was a man, it was a very very 101 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:13.360 enlarge man. I you know, I didn't really have anything 102 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.720 to judge size by, but you know, I come from 103 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:18.879 a family of fairly large people. 104 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:23.519 I have a a brother that was six foot four 105 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:26.480 and a couple of uncles that were six seven six eight, 106 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:31.079 and I would say this figure was easily larger than any. 107 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:35.040 Of them, so I would have to guess at least 108 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:39.720 seven foot. But again, it was dark. We were just 109 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.839 seeing it in the fire light, and so didn't really 110 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.560 have anything to judge size by. So that's just an 111 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:47.480 estimate on my part, right. 112 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.560 You know, stories of Hermits living in the woods are 113 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.759 something from decades ago. You don't really hear about them 114 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:01.240 that much anymore. But the whole idea of you know, 115 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.639 someone going off and living in the woods is to 116 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:06.079 avoid people and get away from people. So it doesn't 117 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:10.160 really make sense to me that a hermit would hang 118 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:14.240 around people that it saw camping at night or even 119 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.120 be that active at night time. You know, humans can't 120 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:18.839 see very well in the dark, and it's kind of 121 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:21.399 dangerous and if you're living out there by yourself, I 122 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.519 just don't know why a person would be hanging around 123 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.399 a campsite and just walking around all night. It doesn't 124 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.600 really make any sense. But it also doesn't make sense 125 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:35.320 for an animal to do that either, So it kind 126 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.120 of leaves you with only one possibility at that point, 127 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:42.320 if you're using logic to reach the conclusion. 128 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:45.960 Yeah, and that's kind of what took me down the 129 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.279 path of thinking it had to be a bigfoot. And 130 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:53.159 you know, in hindsight, you know, we weren't small children, 131 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:58.399 we were teenagers. But at the same time, I, you know, 132 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.879 I've read a lot of reports of Bigfoot being interested 133 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:08.240 in younger people, children in particular, and so that whether 134 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:12.639 it's curiosity or you know, some people refer to them 135 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:18.360 as watchers. You know, they tend to, for whatever reason, 136 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.120 have an interest in what people are doing. And so, 137 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.360 you know, and like I said, in hindsight, I've kind 138 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:31.799 of gone through all the possibilities like you just talked about, 139 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.720 and it's really the only thing that I could come 140 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.440 up with. And so that, you know, that really led 141 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.000 my interest into trying to find out more about them. 142 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:46.039 Well when did you make that crossover from just being 143 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.000 interested to actively pursuing this. 144 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:56.200 Well, I was. I was very interested in read a 145 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:02.279 lot of material all through my life after you know, 146 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:07.840 I probably probably a few years, two or three years 147 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:12.039 after that was when I maybe first saw the Patterson 148 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:15.480 Gimlin film and then I saw the legend of Boggy 149 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:20.000 Creek and I started to kind of make that connection, 150 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.000 and then I started reading material. I used to be 151 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.440 a very avid reader and I read pretty much everything 152 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.120 I could get my hands on, and I continued to 153 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.919 do that and be interested through my career. You know, 154 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.360 I had a career and then I had children, and 155 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.200 it kind of limited how much time I could devote 156 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:49.679 to any actual research, and I did have other things happened, 157 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:56.919 but I didn't become really full time research until twenty 158 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:01.759 eighteen when I retired, and then I started really spending 159 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:08.960 a lot of time on expeditions and you know, spending 160 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:16.759 time out actually actively seeking out information experiences that I 161 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:17.919 could have on my own. 162 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.159 He told me a story about a trip to Alaska. 163 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.440 I believe was that part of your Bigfoot investigations or 164 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:27.600 was that just a trip? 165 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:32.519 It was? Actually I worked in Alaska for quite a 166 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:36.159 few years, and so it was while I was working there, 167 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:41.559 I was actually living in a city called Cordova, which 168 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:45.519 is on the east side of Prince William Sound. The 169 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.919 only way in and out of that city or by 170 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:54.840 a boat or airplane. There's no roads there, and there 171 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.879 are roads once you get there. So I was living 172 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:02.000 there at a vehicle, and I drove out to a 173 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.559 spot where there's a glacier and I wanted to walk 174 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:08.840 up a trail to the glacier, and so I started 175 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.720 up the trail and I had probably made it maybe 176 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:16.080 half a mile. I'm not sure exactly, but I would 177 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.639 guess about that. And it was almost like, not only 178 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.679 did I hear something in my head, but I almost 179 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:27.440 like I felt resistance. As I was walking. I don't 180 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:32.720 know how to explain that, but I heard, basically in 181 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:38.879 my head, I heard something say stop, and so I 182 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.399 stopped for a second, and I thought, what on earth 183 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.879 was that. That was the first time I'd ever experienced 184 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:47.679 anything like that. I'd never at that time, I'd never 185 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:53.240 heard of the phenomenon of bigfoot doing mind speak or 186 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.000 ESP so I had absolutely no idea what it was, 187 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:02.039 but I knew it felt very odd, and so, you know, 188 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:08.840 I'm not typically afraid of much, so I thought, well, 189 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.519 it was just a weird coincidence. So I start to 190 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.360 walk again, and I made it maybe maybe three steps, 191 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:19.799 so maybe tops ten feet, and I felt a very 192 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:25.240 strong push back, and I heard in my head again 193 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:31.919 stop now. And along with that, I didn't hear the words, 194 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.240 but I had a very strong feeling that if I 195 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:39.440 didn't stop, something bad was going to happen. It was 196 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.320 like the hair on the back of my neck stood up, 197 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:47.000 my arms, you know, the hair stood up. So I 198 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.639 stopped a minute and I thought about it, and I thought, well, 199 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.480 you know, in my mind, I didn't again associate mind speak, 200 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.720 but I thought, you know, there must be a bear 201 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.200 around here or something, something is causing me to have 202 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.919 the hair stand up and whatever. So I turned around 203 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:08.320 and I left. Didn't see anything, didn't hear anything audibly. 204 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:15.080 But then later on, as I became more interested and 205 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.480 we're watching a lot of videos on YouTube and still 206 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:24.720 beating material, I heard people tell stories about very similar 207 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:30.879 instances and what they called mind speak or ESP, and 208 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:35.200 I thought, wow, that seems like exactly what happened to me. 209 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:41.080 So again, didn't see anything, didn't audibly hear anything, but 210 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.919 in my head I definitely heard a very strong warning 211 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:52.159 of not going on. And when I turned around and left, 212 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.879 then everything was fine. I didn't have any more problems. 213 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:59.720 I got back to my vehicle and went back home, 214 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.360 and nothing else happened that day. 215 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:08.480 Why do you think some people experience that not others. 216 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.720 The only thing I could say is that you have 217 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:17.200 to be in the wrong place at the right time. 218 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.559 I think there was a reason, whether it was because 219 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.759 there was a young one. I mean, this was a 220 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.000 trail I was on that people walk quite frequently, so 221 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.519 there had to be, in my opinion, some reason why 222 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:39.399 this happened on this particular day. There was something there 223 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:45.440 that they did not want me around, and you know. 224 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:47.840 Like I said, that's the only thing I can think of. 225 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:51.279 I don't know that it's some people. It's just that 226 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:53.720 you've got to be in the as I said, the 227 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.960 wrong place at the right time, and then they will 228 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.240 warn you. Now with that said, I know other peopleomen 229 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.240 who have been in the wrong place and got what's 230 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:06.559 called zapped where they you know, And I don't know 231 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.919 if you're familiar, you probably are with that, and a 232 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:13.480 lot of your listeners probably are, but a feeling of 233 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:20.240 almost they call it zapped because I understand now, I 234 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.639 haven't had this happen to me. So there again, why 235 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:24.960 does that happen to some and not others? Again, I 236 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:28.559 think you've just got to be in that spot at 237 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:32.240 the time when they don't want you there. And I 238 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.960 have had people tell me that they felt like they 239 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:39.399 were being told not to go on, but they went 240 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:42.879 on anyway, and then that's when they got zapped. So 241 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.120 that very well might be what would have happened to 242 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:49.879 me that day had I continued on. I don't know that, 243 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:54.200 but I've heard stories similar to that. So I think 244 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:59.720 it's kind of the same thing. You've got to be 245 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.360 in that spot. And when I say some people it happen, 246 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.599 some don't. I just think some people haven't been in 247 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.680 that spot yet to have either the warning in their 248 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.680 mind or to be zapped because they maybe didn't pay 249 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:15.880 attention to that warning. 250 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:22.640 Oftentimes, whenever people share experiences of mind speak situations, it 251 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:28.119 seems to be a warning, especially get out of an area, right. 252 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:33.400 And I always found that kind of interesting in comparison to, 253 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:38.160 you know, the horror stories that you hear where you know, 254 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.960 people are claiming these things are dangerous and will kidnap 255 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:45.440 you or harm you if possible, in some cases eat you. 256 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:50.680 But then you have these contrasting stories of people basically 257 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.759 being saved by these things, you know, being warned like 258 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:56.680 something bad is going to happen if you don't leave 259 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:59.880 the area. All right, It doesn't really make sense that, 260 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.480 you know, there would be that large of a contrast 261 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:04.000 out there. 262 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:10.319 Well, but think of it in terms of humans. I mean, 263 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:14.480 we have people in the human society that will help 264 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:18.160 you go out of their way to do good things 265 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.839 for you, and we have other people who would kill 266 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:25.200 you for a ten dollar bill or less. And so 267 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.960 you know, I personally, I don't have a problem with 268 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:34.559 the contrast because I think they in many ways are 269 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:41.279 similar to us, and that there is a huge variation 270 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:47.359 in mentality and attitude, and just like there is in humans, 271 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.839 I think there probably are. Just like with humans, I 272 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:55.880 think there's probably a thousand good people for every really 273 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:59.200 really bad person, the ones that would be willing to 274 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.359 kill you, or maybe even the ratio might even be 275 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.519 more than that. Maybe there's ten thousand good for one bad. 276 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:09.720 I don't know, but I think the same thing may 277 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:14.839 hold true. And that's you know, that's kind of how 278 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:15.920 I look at it anyway. 279 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:20.559 Yeah, but by nature, I just question things and oh, sure, 280 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:24.920 you know, whenever, and I'm not doubting that mind speak occurs. 281 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:29.119 I've talked to enough people. I've known people personally that 282 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.880 have experienced it, and again it was a warning type situation. 283 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:37.680 But then I start to question, Okay, well, if they 284 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.680 can communicate that way, why do they make vocalizations at all? Why, 285 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.880 you know, why don't the bad ones use it to 286 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:48.359 their advantage and get inside of our heads to confuse 287 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:49.839 us so they can take us or kill us or 288 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:53.720 whatever they're going to do to us. Do you think 289 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:59.279 that it's possible that them being individuals like you're talking 290 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.960 about that some might have abilities that others don't have. 291 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:10.640 Oh, you know, I really don't know. I don't have 292 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:16.720 anything to really base an opinion or a judgment concerning 293 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:21.680 that on. So, you know, though, back to what you 294 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:24.519 were saying about, do you know, do some of them 295 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:28.839 have the ability, the bad ones to use it to 296 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:34.440 somehow trick people and maybe cause people harm. We don't 297 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:37.640 really know that that doesn't happen. I mean, there are 298 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:42.480 thousands of people that disappear in the forests every year, 299 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:48.279 and many of which are never found. Now, what happens 300 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:51.079 to those people nobody knows. You know. The assumption is 301 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:55.799 wild animals or they fall into some kind of an 302 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:01.079 area and get hurt where they're never found. But is 303 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:04.960 it possible that maybe some of the bad ones are 304 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:12.079 using something to trick these people and therefore do them harm. 305 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.440 I don't know, No one knows, but I think it's 306 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:20.880 definitely a possibility, even if it seems out there a ways, 307 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.440 it's something that could happen. 308 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:25.880 Well, that's kind of what I was getting at on 309 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:29.720 that train of thought. You know, like you said, there 310 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.640 are thousands of people that go missing in the wilderness, 311 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:36.559 and we know that there's bountiful reasons why that can 312 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:42.000 happen normally, but there are situations where it seems rather strange. 313 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:46.839 And I guess if that happened to a person where 314 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:51.400 it was used against them in a nefarious way, if 315 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:53.279 you don't make it out of there, you don't get 316 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.359 to share the story. So may it may be one 317 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:03.240 of those situations, exactly. I agree. So tell me about 318 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:07.359 the first official big foot trip you made the first 319 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:10.319 time that you're like, Okay, I'm going here and I'm investigating. 320 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.160 Did you meet up with a group of people. 321 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:18.440 Did you go solo? Yeah? No, I well I had 322 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:22.240 done a few things solo, but not with any results 323 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:26.240 to speak of. And the first official one I went 324 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:31.640 on was with a BFRORO expedition and it actually went 325 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:37.680 to a place called Temco State Park in Tennessee, and 326 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:47.119 so that was where we went. There was a let's see, yeah, 327 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:50.599 it was on that expedition. I was not with them, 328 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:56.599 but some other people had a visual sighting. They took 329 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:01.039 pictures of footprints. They didn't have casting material with them, 330 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:05.880 but they took photographs along with the only thing they 331 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:09.240 had for size comparison was some money. So they laid 332 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:13.519 that down and photographed that next to the footprints, and 333 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.160 I actually went back out the next morning with them 334 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:19.799 and we went to the site where it happened, and 335 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:23.319 there was a fair amount of physical evidence as far 336 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:29.920 as the footprint that they found. Unfortunately had been driven 337 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.440 over by someone else before they got back the next morning, 338 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.720 so they couldn't cast it that. They did have the photographs, 339 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:44.599 excuse me, and there was some evidence of where we 340 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.799 kind of determined it must have been a juvenile because 341 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.119 it according to the people that saw it. We used 342 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.839 another gentleman in the group for size comparison who was 343 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.680 a little over six foot tall, and they thought that 344 00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:02.359 it was very close in size to him. And then 345 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:06.440 we could see where it had gone up an embankment. 346 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:11.400 There weren't footprints, but there were definitely marks in the 347 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.400 soil where something had climbed up there. Now, the reason 348 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:17.680 that we determined that we did not think it was 349 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.720 a bear was that there was a was a very 350 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:27.480 steep bank and there was a tree and there had 351 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:31.839 been a limb sticking out that was probably about two 352 00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:36.359 or three inches in diameter, and you could see where 353 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.839 that limb and they had reported that they saw it 354 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:44.319 reach up and grab a tree limb and help pull 355 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:49.119 itself up, which a bear obviously doesn't do. But that 356 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:56.680 limb was twisted, so whatever had grabbed it had obviously 357 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:02.920 had the ability to wrap it's for lack of a 358 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:07.240 better word, hand around it, and as it pulled itself up, 359 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:13.039 it rotated that and actually twisted that limb, and then 360 00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:14.960 of course you could see the marks in the ground 361 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.039 where it had gone up, and that was to me 362 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.480 one of the more exciting things that happened on that trip. 363 00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:30.680 But as far as myself hearing and seeing things, we 364 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:36.319 were out probably the second or third night of the expedition, 365 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.480 and there was a pretty good group of us, probably 366 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.480 eight or ten people, and we had built a little 367 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:47.279 fire and we were all sitting around talking and there 368 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:52.440 were two things that occurred. One was orbs, and I 369 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.119 know you had mentioned you wanted to hear about the orbs, 370 00:25:55.279 --> 00:26:00.240 and what we saw that night were small orbs. I 371 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:06.359 would say, very small by most people's identification. You know, 372 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.000 I've heard of pretty big ones, but these range I 373 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.400 would say from the It was hard to say because 374 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:18.839 they were far away, fairly far, one hundred feet at 375 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.599 the closest to probably one hundred yards at the farthest, 376 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:27.240 but they were probably from marble to golf ball size. 377 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:32.000 And the people said, well, you probably just saw fireflies 378 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.680 or lightning bugs, whatever term you used for them, and 379 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:41.160 I would say, okay. The problem was they weren't blinking 380 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.119 most of the time, they were moving around very quickly, 381 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:52.119 and they were all different colors. They were not the 382 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.839 same color, they were not even a similar color. They 383 00:26:55.000 --> 00:27:00.200 ranged from red to blue to green and white, all 384 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:07.559 different colors. And they were in the woods, you know, 385 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.920 just like I said, they were moving around that there 386 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.240 was no rhyme or reason for what they were doing 387 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:19.480 as far as I could tell. But there were hundreds 388 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:26.240 of them, and it was a very moving thing, a 389 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:29.079 spectacular thing, whatever word you want to use. But I 390 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.559 was kind of in awe because I'd never seen anything 391 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:37.480 like that before. You say, hundreds of them, yes, yes, Wow? 392 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:42.279 How long? Did this go on? Pretty much all evening? 393 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.000 You know, it got to the point where, you know, 394 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:49.720 we had seen them, we had all talked about them. 395 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:54.359 We kind of were in awe of them. But at 396 00:27:54.359 --> 00:28:02.160 the same time, you know, they became sort of a 397 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.160 part of what was around us, and so we didn't 398 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.640 really you know, after so long, after maybe I would 399 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:13.279 say fifteen minutes or at most half an hour of 400 00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:15.839 watching these things and talking about them, you know, you 401 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:20.559